1 00:00:15,439 --> 00:00:18,559 Welcome back, everyone to a new episode of You Were Wrong with Molly Hemingway 2 00:00:18,559 --> 00:00:21,160 and David Harsani. Just as a reminder, if you like to email the 3 00:00:21,199 --> 00:00:24,839 show, please do so at radio at the Federalist dot com. We love 4 00:00:24,920 --> 00:00:28,239 hearing from you. Molly. Did you notice that almost everyone who mailed this 5 00:00:28,280 --> 00:00:33,159 week spelled your name correctly, including the person who was like, note that 6 00:00:33,240 --> 00:00:37,079 I'm spelling your name correctly. I loved our mail this week, including the 7 00:00:37,240 --> 00:00:42,200 person who knew who Richard Holly was. I listened to Richard and did you 8 00:00:42,320 --> 00:00:45,359 like I didn't love it, didn't love it, but I'm going to give 9 00:00:45,399 --> 00:00:48,119 it more of a chance. But that's we have to save that for later 10 00:00:48,159 --> 00:00:52,320 in the show. Now in the show, we're going to talk about politics. 11 00:00:52,439 --> 00:00:57,159 Wh're Someone of the letter writers said he likes it eighty twenty percent? 12 00:00:57,799 --> 00:01:00,280 Was it seventy thirty? I don't remember, but something like that. It 13 00:01:00,320 --> 00:01:03,600 was eighty twenty. I thought it was a woman, but now I'm oh, 14 00:01:03,640 --> 00:01:04,359 it might have been. It might have been, It might have been. 15 00:01:04,400 --> 00:01:11,239 Anyway, let's start with New Hampshire, the primaries that happened this week. 16 00:01:11,599 --> 00:01:17,040 You were right, it was it was a man going okay, Donald 17 00:01:17,040 --> 00:01:21,640 Trump one. He's a man, and he'd beat a woman. Nicky Hlly 18 00:01:21,760 --> 00:01:23,319 is a one. I was not aware that Nikki Heley was a woman, 19 00:01:23,400 --> 00:01:27,680 but I heard someone mention that recently, so I figured out she was a 20 00:01:27,680 --> 00:01:32,719 woman. That's a joke about how she won't stop talking about how she's a 21 00:01:32,760 --> 00:01:36,280 woman, as if that's like a trait that makes her a better candidate. 22 00:01:36,319 --> 00:01:42,040 But go on, yeah, well, she can use her heels to spike 23 00:01:42,120 --> 00:01:45,480 you in the head or whatever she sit as a weapon. You better not 24 00:01:45,599 --> 00:01:53,680 forget. I think expectations were higher for her, Is that fair to say. 25 00:01:53,439 --> 00:01:57,840 I don't know, because I had been talking with someone who's really familiar 26 00:01:57,840 --> 00:02:02,120 with New Hampshire politics for months. He thought that she could pull off a 27 00:02:02,200 --> 00:02:07,560 victory given the unique situation of the state, how easy it is to switch 28 00:02:07,599 --> 00:02:12,879 registration to Republican. So I had been in my mind. I had thought 29 00:02:13,000 --> 00:02:15,199 that she might win. I had said that on TV, you know, 30 00:02:15,240 --> 00:02:19,759 she might win. She might win. The later polls, even after Christie 31 00:02:19,840 --> 00:02:23,840 dropped out and DeSantis dropped out and Vivaque dropped out and made their various endorsements 32 00:02:23,879 --> 00:02:29,439 or non endorsements, they did not show her winning. So I think people 33 00:02:29,439 --> 00:02:31,639 did not expect her to win, but this was sort of her high mark. 34 00:02:32,159 --> 00:02:40,319 If she couldn't win liberal Northeast Republican slash Democrat influenced Republican primary New Hampshire, 35 00:02:40,800 --> 00:02:45,479 like it wasn't going to go much better from here. But she did 36 00:02:45,479 --> 00:02:52,560 all right, Like she got she definitely coalesced the anti Trumpist vote. I 37 00:02:52,599 --> 00:02:57,360 would say, yeah, I mean, I'm thinking out loud here, but 38 00:02:57,680 --> 00:03:04,919 for me, it seems like once Desanta's out, obviously many of his voters 39 00:03:04,919 --> 00:03:07,400 didn't go to to her, or they went to Trump, you know, 40 00:03:07,560 --> 00:03:12,919 which tells me that he, from the beginning is the actual candidate that people 41 00:03:13,000 --> 00:03:15,080 could have coalesced around to give maybe Trump a run in the end. Like 42 00:03:15,120 --> 00:03:19,400 I wrote, I just don't think Trump was going to lose really no matter 43 00:03:19,400 --> 00:03:24,439 what happened here. But all those donors getting behind Haley, it makes no 44 00:03:24,560 --> 00:03:28,719 sense to me. There's just no appetite for that. Even she couldn't even 45 00:03:28,759 --> 00:03:30,680 really I mean, you say she did well, but it wasn't really competitive. 46 00:03:31,000 --> 00:03:34,319 A lot of her voters were independence and stuff. I'm not saying that 47 00:03:34,319 --> 00:03:37,719 those voters don't count because in the general that those are people you're going to 48 00:03:37,800 --> 00:03:40,280 want to go after. But for her to perform at that level here, 49 00:03:40,319 --> 00:03:44,479 it just means she's not really a viable candidate. So I don't really even 50 00:03:44,560 --> 00:03:46,840 know why she I think it's over right, we're just pretending now for content 51 00:03:46,879 --> 00:03:51,479 that's something still going on. No, I think that people make a lot 52 00:03:51,520 --> 00:03:55,599 of mistakes when they're analyzing the political situation, and one of them would be 53 00:03:55,639 --> 00:04:03,759 to assume that ostensibly Republican don'ts want the Republican candidate to defeat the Democrat candidate 54 00:04:03,800 --> 00:04:09,800 in the general election. And I've had some recent conversations, like as in 55 00:04:09,919 --> 00:04:14,840 this week, with some top donor types where I think it's fair to say 56 00:04:14,879 --> 00:04:20,720 that top ostensibly Republican donors actually would like Joe Biden to win reelection. So 57 00:04:21,480 --> 00:04:27,199 if you operate with that mentality, like I think the people backing Nikki Haley's 58 00:04:27,279 --> 00:04:30,120 that's actually a slightly different group than who I've been talking to. But the 59 00:04:30,120 --> 00:04:32,800 people who backed Nicki Haley, which would be the Cooke Network people, I 60 00:04:32,800 --> 00:04:38,000 think they want Biden to win again. Probably I mean, like, let 61 00:04:38,040 --> 00:04:41,879 me let me be more clear, they would like a different Republican to win 62 00:04:41,920 --> 00:04:46,120 the nomination, and barring that, they would like republic the actual Republican nominee 63 00:04:46,160 --> 00:04:51,759 picked by Republican voters to lose. So you don't think there's any good faith 64 00:04:53,720 --> 00:04:58,519 donors who backed Haley who just don't like Trump and or would would you know? 65 00:04:59,000 --> 00:05:02,399 I am sure or there are some. I'm just saying you make a 66 00:05:02,439 --> 00:05:09,759 mistake of thinking like that the Republican primary is designed to win Republican victories, 67 00:05:11,360 --> 00:05:15,560 and that if you acknowledge that part of the effort here is actually to hurt 68 00:05:15,600 --> 00:05:21,199 Trump no matter what in the general, you could see continued donor funding really 69 00:05:21,199 --> 00:05:27,439 for the long haul, including like like even all the way, just to 70 00:05:27,480 --> 00:05:30,680 capture as many delegates as possible and to have some kind of sway at the 71 00:05:32,079 --> 00:05:36,639 at the convention, or if something were to happen to Trump one way or 72 00:05:36,680 --> 00:05:41,120 another, to have someone well positioned otherwise. It's kind of like a last 73 00:05:41,160 --> 00:05:45,399 ditch effort. But I don't think it's designed to secure Republican victories in the 74 00:05:45,439 --> 00:05:50,199 fall. The fact that Republican donors and Republican voters slash the country might be 75 00:05:50,240 --> 00:05:56,720 at odds is not the healthiest situation, but it's something worth acknowledging, no 76 00:05:56,759 --> 00:06:00,839 matter your position on the issues, to just know what you're dealing with. 77 00:06:00,959 --> 00:06:04,040 Well again, but that still doesn't change the fact that if you wanted to 78 00:06:04,040 --> 00:06:08,639 get rid of Trump, the best candidate to do that would have been DeSantis. 79 00:06:08,800 --> 00:06:12,720 He is the most He's a fusion candidate between the populist rhetoric and kind 80 00:06:12,720 --> 00:06:15,639 of more old timey or you know, I don't know, movement conservative stuff. 81 00:06:15,639 --> 00:06:18,639 I just think he was a better candidate. But I want to just 82 00:06:18,680 --> 00:06:23,800 say, I just don't think primary voters actually care very much about general election 83 00:06:23,959 --> 00:06:27,839 viability either. Really. I mean, I wish there was something in between 84 00:06:27,920 --> 00:06:31,519 having just this small number of people deciding and having a small number of donors 85 00:06:31,519 --> 00:06:36,680 deciding. Like, you know, it just seems weirdly, you know, 86 00:06:38,040 --> 00:06:42,079 like they are at odds more I think than maybe a general election Republican voter 87 00:06:42,160 --> 00:06:44,399 would be a yeah, no, I think I think you might be right, 88 00:06:44,439 --> 00:06:49,040 particularly when you look at Iowa, which had a lower than normal voter 89 00:06:49,160 --> 00:06:55,040 turnout, probably because of the horrific weather but also maybe because of lack of 90 00:06:55,160 --> 00:06:59,920 enthusiasm, whereas in New Hampshire you actually had you had a like, really 91 00:07:00,639 --> 00:07:05,000 robust Republican primary. You had Donald Trump breaking his record for a number of 92 00:07:05,040 --> 00:07:09,399 people coming out to vote for him. But you also had Nicki Haley breaking 93 00:07:09,439 --> 00:07:15,879 some records in terms of opposition candidates, so there is enthusiasm there. I 94 00:07:15,920 --> 00:07:21,319 mean, definitely true that a lot of non Republicans voted in the Republican primary 95 00:07:21,360 --> 00:07:26,639 and that their votes went to Nicki Haley. It's undoubtedly true. You saw 96 00:07:26,639 --> 00:07:30,279 all the interviews with people saying that they were voting for Nicki Haley to hurt 97 00:07:30,279 --> 00:07:32,199 Trump, but then they'll be voting for Biden in the general. Like that's 98 00:07:32,199 --> 00:07:35,079 a real thing. I don't know how, I don't know how many people 99 00:07:35,120 --> 00:07:40,160 that is, but it's like sizeable enough to make some kind of difference. 100 00:07:41,240 --> 00:07:44,079 But yeah, I know, I agree, like there's like a disparity between 101 00:07:44,519 --> 00:07:51,759 the hardcore primary voter and the general. Also, I'm the one usually being 102 00:07:51,839 --> 00:07:56,519 lectured about Trump and his appeal, but I actually want to say something here 103 00:07:56,519 --> 00:08:01,000 where I hear a lot of people talk about how Trump where someone like Nikki 104 00:08:01,040 --> 00:08:05,279 Haley or a moderate will have more reach with voters in the Northeast. But 105 00:08:05,560 --> 00:08:09,160 coming you know, being from Long Island and knowing a lot of people still 106 00:08:09,199 --> 00:08:13,920 live there, I think that people underestimate how Trump maybe appeals to kind of 107 00:08:13,920 --> 00:08:22,720 largely not very ideological Northeast kind of conservative dispositionally voter right, he is really 108 00:08:22,759 --> 00:08:28,480 not that you know, hardcore on the issues that maybe you know, the 109 00:08:28,560 --> 00:08:33,879 old timey again a single time, but like the traditional conservative might be social 110 00:08:33,919 --> 00:08:37,559 issues aside, you know, social security, whatever, these things that turned 111 00:08:37,600 --> 00:08:41,559 off a lot of those voters I think are open to him there. I 112 00:08:41,559 --> 00:08:45,320 mean, I think he won Nassau County and Suffolk County last election, which 113 00:08:45,360 --> 00:08:48,720 is what I know. But anyway, I just think he has an appeal 114 00:08:48,759 --> 00:08:52,399 to those kind of voters that in the Northeast Republicans at least that maybe people 115 00:08:52,440 --> 00:08:58,399 don't understand it, you know, I don't know. Yeah, I absolutely 116 00:08:58,480 --> 00:09:01,960 think it's interesting. How so this, you know, Donald Trump creates such 117 00:09:01,960 --> 00:09:05,360 a strong reaction in so many people. A lot of people hate him, 118 00:09:05,399 --> 00:09:09,639 a lot of people love him. But for him being hated, it's kind 119 00:09:09,639 --> 00:09:13,519 of weird because he's one of the more moderate Republican types when it comes to 120 00:09:13,679 --> 00:09:18,679 a lot of policy issues that can reach a lot of voters. So it's 121 00:09:18,879 --> 00:09:26,080 somewhat interesting how hot the opposition is to him. But I do think it 122 00:09:26,120 --> 00:09:31,000 might be in the Republican Party's interest given that the voters of the Republican Party 123 00:09:31,840 --> 00:09:37,360 have expressed their strong you know, states as different as Iowa and New Hampshire, 124 00:09:37,399 --> 00:09:41,840 and you know, Iowa, Trump won a contested primary with like fifty 125 00:09:41,879 --> 00:09:43,559 three percent of the vote. I don't remember what the final vote total was 126 00:09:43,600 --> 00:09:48,159 in New Hampshire. Was it like fifty five or something fifty four? I 127 00:09:48,159 --> 00:09:52,519 think him okay, but like that was a state that he should not have 128 00:09:52,600 --> 00:09:56,679 done well in this year. Necessarily he won that one, and then it's 129 00:09:56,720 --> 00:09:58,360 only going to get kind of better for him from here, I think. 130 00:10:00,120 --> 00:10:05,960 And so acknowledging the reality that the conservative voter or the Republican voter, once 131 00:10:07,000 --> 00:10:09,519 this person is their nominee, it would probably make sense for the leadership of 132 00:10:09,559 --> 00:10:13,320 the party to get behind it. And it sounds like that's already happening a 133 00:10:13,360 --> 00:10:18,000 little bit. Like I think I saw that Ronna Romney McDaniel was on Fox 134 00:10:18,039 --> 00:10:24,960 last night talking about how enough voices had been heard to coalesce around the nominee. 135 00:10:24,679 --> 00:10:28,879 But this being the Republican Party, and no offense to those of you 136 00:10:28,919 --> 00:10:33,480 who identify as Republican, but it's I think that known as the stupid Party 137 00:10:33,519 --> 00:10:37,399 for a reason. Like they'll probably make a series of bad decisions here over 138 00:10:37,440 --> 00:10:41,320 the next few weeks or months to make it less likely that they will win 139 00:10:41,559 --> 00:10:50,000 in November. Listen, if Nicki Haley was winning, people won't be coalescing 140 00:10:50,039 --> 00:10:54,799 around her just because the primary voters picked her. I mean, you know 141 00:10:54,840 --> 00:10:58,200 it does well done? Hold on, yeah, well done. If Nicki 142 00:10:58,240 --> 00:11:05,120 Haley had won thus far are people might not be coalescing because her path from 143 00:11:05,200 --> 00:11:09,919 here on might be more difficult. But I think it's important to note like 144 00:11:09,559 --> 00:11:15,679 New Hampshire's kind of the high mark for the Nicky Haley campaign. So it's 145 00:11:15,679 --> 00:11:18,200 just theoretical as I'm just theoretically saying. I'm just saying. I'm not saying, 146 00:11:18,240 --> 00:11:24,039 like coals around someone to two contests in like it was twenty twelve with 147 00:11:24,120 --> 00:11:28,159 Mitt Romney, where people kept on like taking turns trying to fight him being 148 00:11:28,320 --> 00:11:31,639 What I'm trying to say is not any of that. What I'm trying to 149 00:11:31,639 --> 00:11:35,679 say is if there was a neo conservative type who's winning this thing and was 150 00:11:35,720 --> 00:11:37,840 going to run away with it, I don't believe that a lot of the 151 00:11:37,840 --> 00:11:41,919 populist types would be like, we got to coalesce around this candidate. It's 152 00:11:41,960 --> 00:11:46,320 the people's will, you know, I mean, hold on, hold on, 153 00:11:46,399 --> 00:11:48,720 yeah, yeah, let's just look at recent history. Okay, there 154 00:11:48,759 --> 00:11:54,360 have been really difficult primary battles for the Republican nomination. You know, just 155 00:11:54,440 --> 00:11:58,519 like just take it from two thousand, do you know George W. Bush 156 00:11:58,679 --> 00:12:05,159 was not like definitely a fan favorite among the donors but not necessarily the people. 157 00:12:05,159 --> 00:12:07,399 But you know, he won, and then everyone kind of coalest two 158 00:12:07,399 --> 00:12:11,440 thousand Yeah, and then you were done. I mean, it was a 159 00:12:11,440 --> 00:12:16,879 primary contest like then, and then everyone coalesced around him and they supported him. 160 00:12:16,960 --> 00:12:18,799 They supported him in two thousand and four, and then in two thousand 161 00:12:18,799 --> 00:12:24,120 and eight there was a bit of a fight and then McCain right forgetting away, 162 00:12:24,759 --> 00:12:30,679 and then people coalesced around him. And then twenty twelve really bitter primary 163 00:12:30,679 --> 00:12:33,440 battle, and then it was Mitt Romney and then there was like a lot 164 00:12:33,440 --> 00:12:37,279 of pressure like, hey, everybody, you gotta go around this guy, 165 00:12:37,440 --> 00:12:41,759 the father of Obamacare in Massachusetts, like you got it, you know, 166 00:12:41,879 --> 00:12:46,480 it's so important, and so everyone kind of coalesces. And really the only 167 00:12:46,039 --> 00:12:52,279 like the outlier of this of this story is the twenty sixteen nomination with Trump, 168 00:12:52,559 --> 00:12:56,960 where there continued to be resistance. There's like this special Trump rule where 169 00:12:56,000 --> 00:13:01,720 you're allowed to not come behind him now I mean Trump? Yeah, yeah, 170 00:13:03,080 --> 00:13:05,240 right, sorry, sorry, go ahead, I just say Trump. 171 00:13:05,360 --> 00:13:09,159 But Trump is different. He runs against the Republican establishment, so he is 172 00:13:09,200 --> 00:13:13,039 not treated the same by those establishment, whereas it runs against them. If 173 00:13:13,039 --> 00:13:16,639 you're met Romney and you run against the Republican voter, that's okay. But 174 00:13:16,679 --> 00:13:20,840 you can't run against the Republican establishment because then, you know, then then 175 00:13:20,879 --> 00:13:24,480 all the rules are off. You don't have to coalesce around them. Well, 176 00:13:24,480 --> 00:13:28,919 what happened between twenty sixteen and twenty twenty where you had the Republican voters 177 00:13:28,039 --> 00:13:33,080 all, you know, like Republican voters. Not all of them supported Trump 178 00:13:33,120 --> 00:13:37,080 for the nomination, in fact, like a majority did not, but then 179 00:13:37,120 --> 00:13:41,320 they all came together to elect him president. And then they witnessed four years 180 00:13:41,360 --> 00:13:48,279 of Republican establishment rejection, you know, a lot to a lesser or greater 181 00:13:48,360 --> 00:13:50,519 degree. Like some people were strongly opposed and some people were just sort of 182 00:13:50,519 --> 00:13:54,600 like secretly opposed, but they saw this rejection, which a lot of Republican 183 00:13:54,679 --> 00:14:00,240 voters felt was a rejection of them. And so to see that continue you 184 00:14:00,360 --> 00:14:05,759 in the twenty twenty four primary, I'm just I'm just letting you know that 185 00:14:05,240 --> 00:14:09,480 a lot of Republican voters can't stand the way that they were asked to come 186 00:14:09,519 --> 00:14:15,960 behind candidates they didn't like John McCain, Mitt Romney, but then the moment 187 00:14:16,799 --> 00:14:18,919 that they picked someone that the establishment didn't like, it was like all bets 188 00:14:18,960 --> 00:14:22,519 are off and you can totally reject and oppose. And it was one of 189 00:14:22,519 --> 00:14:26,559 these things, like a story that kind of took a little time to unfold. 190 00:14:26,639 --> 00:14:31,039 I think immediately after the twenty sixteen election, I think a lot of 191 00:14:31,080 --> 00:14:33,399 people thought, oh, yeah, that was a hard fought election. Now 192 00:14:33,399 --> 00:14:35,919 we come together. And you saw that in the Trump White House. He 193 00:14:35,000 --> 00:14:41,159 brings in who was that guy from Ryan's previous you know, was sort of 194 00:14:41,200 --> 00:14:45,120 like the establishment figure, and he had some of his own figures, and 195 00:14:45,279 --> 00:14:48,879 the idea was like, we'll meld this together. And little did people know 196 00:14:48,480 --> 00:14:52,360 that some of these people that were brought into the administration were actually like resistance 197 00:14:52,440 --> 00:14:54,840 agents. And I'm not saying that about Ryan's but you know, like there 198 00:14:54,879 --> 00:14:58,799 were resistance agents brought in, and there was like this rebellion, and there 199 00:14:58,840 --> 00:15:01,679 was anonymous and there was all that stuff. 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Do you remember. I don't so, I don't 224 00:17:00,399 --> 00:17:03,079 remember exactly what happened in each primary, but my sort of like big picture 225 00:17:03,400 --> 00:17:10,519 memory of that in twenty twelve was that different candidates took turns trying to take 226 00:17:10,559 --> 00:17:15,359 on Romney like you would have one person come in first or seeing right, 227 00:17:15,839 --> 00:17:18,640 and it kind of went like down to the Santorum. At one point there 228 00:17:18,640 --> 00:17:23,359 was a ging Rich Boomlet and it seems like people were not loving like the 229 00:17:23,440 --> 00:17:27,480 establishment kind of like rallied around Mett Romney pretty quickly, but that the voters 230 00:17:27,519 --> 00:17:30,720 were It took a lot longer to convince them. But then once he was 231 00:17:30,720 --> 00:17:33,880 the nominee, they did their duty and they showed up and voted, and 232 00:17:33,920 --> 00:17:37,559 they did all that. I mean, it's not don't I don't want anyone 233 00:17:37,559 --> 00:17:41,400 to think I'm saying that I don't believe that most GOP voters right now want 234 00:17:41,400 --> 00:17:44,759 Donald Trump. I think they do. I think even if you had an 235 00:17:44,839 --> 00:17:48,880 open primary to like every Republican in the country, he would be more popular 236 00:17:48,960 --> 00:17:52,400 than any other candidate. I don't think DeSantis would beat him then either. 237 00:17:52,559 --> 00:17:56,440 I think it is clear that GOP voters think that he deserves another chance, 238 00:17:56,480 --> 00:18:00,119 that he deserves it because he is the victim of law fair and so on, 239 00:18:00,200 --> 00:18:03,359 and you know, I just think he is the candidate. I'm just 240 00:18:03,400 --> 00:18:07,559 saying that this this idea that everyone's just got to line up right after the 241 00:18:07,799 --> 00:18:11,960 you know, it is too much. And also he and I think Trump 242 00:18:12,440 --> 00:18:15,279 needs these people to win an election, so it should be reaching out to 243 00:18:15,319 --> 00:18:18,559 them as well. David, can we talk a little bit about the other 244 00:18:18,559 --> 00:18:22,720 thing that happened since we talked last, which is DeSanto's dropping out, because 245 00:18:22,720 --> 00:18:26,400 I think that relates quite a bit to this. I think it showed that 246 00:18:26,440 --> 00:18:30,799 he's a that he just realized what reality was all about, and it was 247 00:18:30,799 --> 00:18:34,920 just a waste of time. So I again, I just think he I 248 00:18:37,440 --> 00:18:41,759 think he struggled to gain any traction because once the law fair started, it 249 00:18:41,799 --> 00:18:45,759 was over right. And because he struggled to gain traction, it seemed like 250 00:18:45,039 --> 00:18:48,720 there was a campaign that was constantly, you know, just struggling to come 251 00:18:48,799 --> 00:18:52,279 up with a message and this and that, but there was no message. 252 00:18:52,559 --> 00:18:55,200 Just my view that there was no message that he could come up with that 253 00:18:55,279 --> 00:18:59,119 was going to change the dynamics of that race. So he came off poorly, 254 00:18:59,160 --> 00:19:02,440 and everyone likes the pile on, you know when a person loses. 255 00:19:03,039 --> 00:19:04,480 I don't think his political career is over. I think he could run in 256 00:19:04,480 --> 00:19:07,640 a few years. You never know what happens. I mean a million things 257 00:19:07,640 --> 00:19:11,319 can happen. He might even who knows, maybe he'll be the VP candidate. 258 00:19:11,359 --> 00:19:15,200 I don't know, right, but I think he did the right thing. 259 00:19:15,319 --> 00:19:18,519 I just don't think there was any path forward, you know, from 260 00:19:18,559 --> 00:19:22,079 a political standpoint, if he was just there sort of trying to bring Trump 261 00:19:22,119 --> 00:19:27,279 down a peg that would play poorly with Republicans in the long run. And 262 00:19:27,319 --> 00:19:33,079 I think Trump said some nice words about him and stuff, So Dinny say, 263 00:19:33,200 --> 00:19:36,359 you know, Ron, It was actually kind of comical because like the 264 00:19:36,440 --> 00:19:40,640 day before it's Ron to sanctimonious, and then like once he drops out, 265 00:19:40,640 --> 00:19:42,319 he's like, he ran an amazing campaign. What a good guy. Love 266 00:19:42,359 --> 00:19:45,599 the man. I always think this about Trump, like if you're like you 267 00:19:45,640 --> 00:19:48,960 could be disloyal, and he'll go after you really hard, harder than maybe 268 00:19:49,000 --> 00:19:52,319 any politician would. But once you make up with him and you show like 269 00:19:52,319 --> 00:19:56,119 a little bit of loyalty, like you see Tim Scott's standing there like a 270 00:19:56,200 --> 00:20:00,640 completely teamed politician. Yeah. Could I I just have to say, I 271 00:20:00,759 --> 00:20:04,119 was doing Fox the other day and normally they give you like a little bit 272 00:20:04,119 --> 00:20:07,279 of a warning in your ear that you're about to go on, but I 273 00:20:07,759 --> 00:20:11,359 don't know if I missed that or whatever. So they're showing this rally that 274 00:20:11,519 --> 00:20:17,200 was like a unity rally for Donald Trump in New Hampshire, and the Vake 275 00:20:17,359 --> 00:20:21,880 Ramaswami is up there and he's giving like an impassioned speech, and then Doug 276 00:20:21,960 --> 00:20:26,079 Bergham, who I don't like. I feel like he's not super conservative, 277 00:20:26,079 --> 00:20:33,279 but I sort of loved him in the debates. He touches my free market 278 00:20:33,319 --> 00:20:36,759 heart, you know, my economics heart. So he was up there being 279 00:20:36,759 --> 00:20:40,640 like, this is the only man that can defeat Joe Biden. And then 280 00:20:40,680 --> 00:20:42,000 Tim Scott was like, I don't know if it was that he just got 281 00:20:42,039 --> 00:20:47,759 engaged that he is, He's like a new man. He was so on 282 00:20:47,839 --> 00:20:52,920 fire, like he sounded like more exciting than I've ever heard Tim Scott my 283 00:20:52,079 --> 00:20:56,519 entire life. And he was doing his impassioned plea for Trump, and it 284 00:20:56,599 --> 00:21:00,400 was so impassioned that it actually struck me as funny. So I was laughing 285 00:21:00,559 --> 00:21:03,839 and just enjoying, you know, it's just like kind of like a funny 286 00:21:03,880 --> 00:21:06,400 little thing to watch. And then they cut to me and I realized, 287 00:21:06,400 --> 00:21:10,160 like, I'm on air right now laughing about or like, you know, 288 00:21:10,319 --> 00:21:15,480 enjoying Tim Scott being totally ambulent in praise. I'm so bad on can someone 289 00:21:15,519 --> 00:21:18,000 give me more? That? On TV? Though, when they have like 290 00:21:18,039 --> 00:21:21,400 there's two minutes left, or when however, they do it at the end 291 00:21:21,440 --> 00:21:23,720 of an interview, like the minute left in your ear, it always distracts 292 00:21:23,720 --> 00:21:26,880 me to the point where I don't even know what I was talking about. 293 00:21:26,920 --> 00:21:30,400 Like it's it's just difficult for me. So I admire how good you are 294 00:21:30,400 --> 00:21:34,519 on TV, Molly. I have to say half my job and the political 295 00:21:34,559 --> 00:21:37,519 part of it is just me struggling to understand why people like the people they 296 00:21:37,640 --> 00:21:41,519 like, my voters do what they do. It's just constantly seems irrational to 297 00:21:41,559 --> 00:21:45,359 me. To me, Tim Scott seems like a really good candidate, like 298 00:21:45,400 --> 00:21:51,640 a good VP candidate for Trump if he was out there, but apparently he 299 00:21:51,680 --> 00:21:55,039 can't really generate much excitement. So I wonder like Kamala could only like pick 300 00:21:55,119 --> 00:21:59,319 up one delegate and they made her a vput for other reasons, but maybe 301 00:21:59,440 --> 00:22:03,359 similar reason since I don't know, but why I pick someone who's really not 302 00:22:03,400 --> 00:22:08,079 that popular with Republicans in general. I'm not totally done talking about Ronda scantisks 303 00:22:08,160 --> 00:22:12,799 so I want to do that. But if we can remember maybe today, 304 00:22:14,279 --> 00:22:18,559 but I think that you know, we've talked to the Federalist with the team 305 00:22:18,640 --> 00:22:22,359 that was you know, the team has grown quite a bit since twenty sixteen, 306 00:22:22,480 --> 00:22:26,200 but some of us were there in twenty sixteen, and we talk about 307 00:22:26,279 --> 00:22:30,240 lessons learned from that, and I think, if we're all being honest, 308 00:22:30,559 --> 00:22:34,160 twenty fifteen twenty sixteen difficult period of time to do political journalism. It was 309 00:22:34,279 --> 00:22:41,039 very confusing how much people liked Donald Trump, particularly for those of us who 310 00:22:41,079 --> 00:22:45,359 were in the like DC, New York, you know, group think area. 311 00:22:45,880 --> 00:22:49,319 One thing that helped the Federalists not go down the path that some others, 312 00:22:49,720 --> 00:22:55,200 you know, ostensibly right of center publications did is that we had so 313 00:22:55,319 --> 00:22:57,680 many contributors from the rest of the country. In the rest of the country. 314 00:22:59,000 --> 00:23:00,599 So when we'd be like, done Trump, he's not even conservative, 315 00:23:00,680 --> 00:23:06,119 likes what's going on here, we would have contributors who would submit pieces saying 316 00:23:06,160 --> 00:23:07,039 like, I don't know, I like him, I like this, I 317 00:23:07,119 --> 00:23:10,319 like that, I like that he says this, I'm kind of sick to 318 00:23:10,359 --> 00:23:15,000 death of the Republican Party and it It just really helped to have that perspective. 319 00:23:15,279 --> 00:23:22,960 But everyone agrees that the number one lesson we learned from twenty sixteen was 320 00:23:22,000 --> 00:23:27,720 to lecture Republican voters less and to listen to them more. And so I 321 00:23:27,799 --> 00:23:30,880 kind of got a kick out of how like, after Iowa and New Hampshire, 322 00:23:30,880 --> 00:23:34,160 you're hearing a lot of people being like the voters are stupid. Well, 323 00:23:34,200 --> 00:23:37,319 there are a lot of things voters do that I don't agree with, 324 00:23:37,359 --> 00:23:41,519 and my own views are pretty like hardcore in a way that most voters aren't. 325 00:23:42,079 --> 00:23:47,119 But sometimes it's just good to listen to people. So to that end, 326 00:23:47,200 --> 00:23:53,880 like the people did not find Tim Scott to be a viable presidential candidate, 327 00:23:53,920 --> 00:23:57,240 and that's meaningful. You know, you can't win an election when you 328 00:23:57,279 --> 00:24:00,319 don't have the people with you, and they just want with him. When 329 00:24:00,319 --> 00:24:04,759 it comes to vice presidents, however, I think it's a completely different calculus. 330 00:24:06,319 --> 00:24:11,519 I personally have written in the pages of The Federalist my own opposition to 331 00:24:11,559 --> 00:24:18,200 Mike Pence from the years I think it was twenty fourteen when he mishandled the 332 00:24:18,359 --> 00:24:23,480 Religious Freedom Restoration Act issue in Indiana, So like this predates any idea that 333 00:24:23,559 --> 00:24:29,000 Donald Trump would ever be president. I'm not a huge, huge Mike Pence 334 00:24:29,039 --> 00:24:30,880 fan. Having said that, I've also written a lot in defense of him, 335 00:24:32,480 --> 00:24:36,640 But I do think he was actually a brilliant vice presidential pick. And 336 00:24:37,200 --> 00:24:42,079 I say that because he did. He did such an amazing job in that 337 00:24:42,960 --> 00:24:51,319 debate in twenty sixteen where he articulated how someone who is motivated by social conservatism 338 00:24:51,480 --> 00:24:56,200 supposedly you know, riffra notwithstanding as I just mentioned, would support someone like 339 00:24:56,279 --> 00:25:00,319 Donald Trump. A big part of the Never Trump campaign was to say that 340 00:25:00,359 --> 00:25:03,279 if you cared about virtue, that you couldn't vote for someone like him. 341 00:25:03,319 --> 00:25:07,839 You had to vote for Hillary Clinton, who supported or you know, to 342 00:25:07,880 --> 00:25:11,160 do what it took to help Hillary Clinton defeat Donald Trump, even though she 343 00:25:11,200 --> 00:25:14,599 had been on the record with all this on virtuous stuff. And so I 344 00:25:14,640 --> 00:25:18,680 think he was a really good pick. Maybe not the perfect pick, but 345 00:25:18,720 --> 00:25:22,640 a really good pick. And likewise, I think your pick for vice president 346 00:25:23,119 --> 00:25:26,079 even like a Joe Biden, he said he was going to be racist in 347 00:25:26,119 --> 00:25:29,839 who he picked, Like I think he said it would be racist and sexist, 348 00:25:29,920 --> 00:25:33,720 is that right? And then so he was like limited to a certain 349 00:25:33,880 --> 00:25:36,759 you know group, and he didn't want someone to steal his thunder, and 350 00:25:36,799 --> 00:25:41,039 you know, he picked someone who was like an insurance policy for him. 351 00:25:41,079 --> 00:25:45,359 Like it kind of maybe works, I don't know. And so with Donald 352 00:25:45,400 --> 00:25:48,440 Trump, I think he has to pick someone like he has to be laser 353 00:25:48,480 --> 00:25:52,920 focused on winning an election. And I'm sorry for going on so long here, 354 00:25:52,920 --> 00:25:59,920 but no, but you know, people were really talking about Nicki Haley 355 00:26:00,000 --> 00:26:03,319 as a potential VP candidate, and I think I'm clear on not loving her. 356 00:26:04,720 --> 00:26:07,880 And one of the things that worried me, particularly before they both said 357 00:26:07,880 --> 00:26:11,640 that they wouldn't work with each other in this capacity, is it would kind 358 00:26:11,680 --> 00:26:15,519 of make sense to pick her, and I was really worried that he would. 359 00:26:15,759 --> 00:26:18,079 So I'm kind of glad that appears not to be happening now. Although 360 00:26:18,599 --> 00:26:22,559 never say never with this person, but it might help, you know, 361 00:26:22,599 --> 00:26:27,359 someone like her might help him win the election. Yeah, I don't think 362 00:26:27,440 --> 00:26:33,079 so, but just quickly want to for the record say that I have learned 363 00:26:33,160 --> 00:26:37,839 zero lessons since twenty sixteen. I don't care what voters say. I never 364 00:26:37,920 --> 00:26:41,000 have tried to lecture anyone. I just give them my opinion on stuff. 365 00:26:41,039 --> 00:26:45,240 But I definitely don't care what voters say. Voters are always wrong, and 366 00:26:47,200 --> 00:26:51,680 I don't think that we should listen to them. You listen to them to 367 00:26:51,759 --> 00:26:55,799 understand what they're trying to argue and say, but there's no reason to agree 368 00:26:55,839 --> 00:26:57,440 with you follow their lead. Yeah, no, I saw their lead at 369 00:26:57,480 --> 00:27:02,839 all. It's interesting what you say about beep choices. There are different kind 370 00:27:02,839 --> 00:27:07,240 of vice presidents you have like Bush I think named Cheney more like a chief 371 00:27:07,240 --> 00:27:10,400 of staff almost a person who can get things done because he didn't have experience, 372 00:27:10,599 --> 00:27:12,640 and you know what I mean, Biden was named because he showed he 373 00:27:12,720 --> 00:27:18,839 was literally no threat to the president in any way. And then sometimes you 374 00:27:18,920 --> 00:27:22,559 want vps to you're starting a movement of some sort or you were like you 375 00:27:22,599 --> 00:27:26,400 want conservatism to be propelled forward. You want the next person to run. 376 00:27:26,680 --> 00:27:30,160 And if I'm Trump and there's an actual thing called trump Ism, which I 377 00:27:30,160 --> 00:27:34,559 don't think is actually as successful as Trump himself in any way, then you 378 00:27:34,599 --> 00:27:38,200 want someone who's going to sort of carry on your legacy in the next election. 379 00:27:41,000 --> 00:27:42,400 Tim Scott's not going to do that. Nikki Haley's not going to do 380 00:27:42,480 --> 00:27:47,160 that. Mike Pence wasn't going to do that. That's a he was more 381 00:27:47,200 --> 00:27:48,519 of like a Cheney kind of pick I think, right, I mean, 382 00:27:48,519 --> 00:27:52,599 a guy who can like help you deal with the Senate or whatever it was, 383 00:27:53,039 --> 00:27:56,400 or the House or knows DC. I don't know what I think. 384 00:27:56,440 --> 00:28:02,920 Mike Pence was just like Trump's say saying, I'm a bit out there and 385 00:28:02,960 --> 00:28:07,039 this is like the most milk toast kind of politician imaginable, and he's going 386 00:28:07,079 --> 00:28:11,839 to bring stability to my administration, you know, but I don't know. 387 00:28:11,519 --> 00:28:17,279 I don't know what he's thinking ever. But so I'm just thinking if somebody, 388 00:28:17,319 --> 00:28:21,759 if he wanted someone who can help him move his movement forward, would 389 00:28:21,759 --> 00:28:26,680 that not be more like DeSantis maybe than even though I don't really think they're 390 00:28:26,720 --> 00:28:29,720 as the same as other people do. But I don't know. Thank you 391 00:28:29,759 --> 00:28:30,960 for mentioning DeSantis. So yeah, I have it right here. I was 392 00:28:30,960 --> 00:28:34,599 going to bring us back to it. That's a very long segue. I 393 00:28:34,640 --> 00:28:40,880 am just just back to the like everyone has to go around Trump immediately and 394 00:28:41,400 --> 00:28:45,960 coalesce around him. I saw that when DeSantis dropped out and endorsed Trump. 395 00:28:45,119 --> 00:28:48,880 You know, a lot of DeSantis's online army, which has not served him 396 00:28:48,880 --> 00:28:52,400 well. I think it's sir, they were not ready to endorse Trump yet. 397 00:28:52,480 --> 00:28:56,119 I'm like, give these people some time, Like it's horrible. I'm 398 00:28:56,119 --> 00:29:00,799 not a political person in terms of you know, can pains or anything like 399 00:29:00,799 --> 00:29:03,440 that, but I think about what it must be like to devote your life 400 00:29:03,480 --> 00:29:10,160 in whatever fashion to the support of a particular candidate. I don't like politicians, 401 00:29:10,160 --> 00:29:12,880 so I could just could never do this, but and they don't disappoint 402 00:29:12,920 --> 00:29:17,279 me because I start out not liking them, so they just can't disappoint me. 403 00:29:17,400 --> 00:29:19,920 But there were really good people who put a lot of time and energy 404 00:29:19,960 --> 00:29:25,680 and effort into DeSantis. They very much understood him as an effective governor. 405 00:29:26,119 --> 00:29:30,119 They thought that he would translate on a national stage. They didn't seem to 406 00:29:30,119 --> 00:29:33,559 think the issues with Trump not being off the stage mattered, you know, 407 00:29:33,640 --> 00:29:37,599 like they they cared and they had a good guy and they want to see 408 00:29:37,640 --> 00:29:41,440 him have a good future. And it was a really bitter, like mean 409 00:29:41,720 --> 00:29:45,799 campaign. You had Trump lying about him like all this stuff. I assume 410 00:29:45,920 --> 00:29:49,200 like most people who supported Dysantis, not that there were that many people who 411 00:29:49,200 --> 00:29:55,200 supported Disantas, but most of them will will if they were into him for 412 00:29:55,839 --> 00:29:57,599 his governance and stuff like that. It's going to be like an easy decision 413 00:29:57,839 --> 00:30:02,480 in the fall of twenty twenty four on who you vote for. But you 414 00:30:02,640 --> 00:30:06,359 got to give people a little bit of a chance to like heal their wounds 415 00:30:06,559 --> 00:30:12,920 right. The Watched Out on Wall Street podcast with Chris Markowski. Every day, 416 00:30:14,000 --> 00:30:17,680 Chris helps unpack the connection between politics and the economy and how it affects 417 00:30:17,759 --> 00:30:21,680 your wallet. After taking a longer holiday break than you. Congress had to 418 00:30:21,680 --> 00:30:25,319 go back to work, and what did they do? Pass yet another stop 419 00:30:25,400 --> 00:30:29,759 gap spending bill to kick the can down the road until March. You keep 420 00:30:29,799 --> 00:30:33,640 paying taxes, they continue to not fund the border. Whether it's happening in 421 00:30:33,720 --> 00:30:36,720 DC or down on Wall Street, it's affecting you financially. Be informed. 422 00:30:36,799 --> 00:30:40,480 Check out the Watchdot on Wall Street podcast with Chris Markowski on Apple, Spotify, 423 00:30:40,559 --> 00:30:47,319 or wherever you get your podcasts. Yeah. I also think it's an 424 00:30:47,319 --> 00:30:51,519 easy decision in many ways because the president is so terrible, right, and 425 00:30:51,759 --> 00:30:53,559 what he's done is so terrible, and he's so incompetent. So if you're 426 00:30:53,559 --> 00:30:59,960 an independent and you're not that ideological, but you know you're sort of conservative, 427 00:31:00,039 --> 00:31:02,319 I don't think you have much, you know. I feel like so 428 00:31:02,640 --> 00:31:06,599 my arguments always that Trump isn't actually isn't very successful in many places and you 429 00:31:06,680 --> 00:31:08,799 end up losing a lot in Arizona, Georgia. Not Trump. I'm just 430 00:31:08,839 --> 00:31:14,279 saying, like this whole popular stuff. But Trump himself, he can beat 431 00:31:14,279 --> 00:31:18,160 Biden because Biden is so terrible that you can win states that maybe other you 432 00:31:18,200 --> 00:31:22,759 know, at other times you wouldn't. But yeah, I don't know how 433 00:31:22,759 --> 00:31:27,440 someone who supports DeSantis wouldn't win, you know, wouldn't vote for Trump, 434 00:31:27,519 --> 00:31:30,880 other than if they have some kind of like deep seated moral problem with him 435 00:31:30,880 --> 00:31:33,440 maybe or something like that. Go on, yeah, and then you vote 436 00:31:33,440 --> 00:31:37,200 for the guy who makes sure to kill babies and packed there. We don't 437 00:31:37,240 --> 00:31:40,680 vote all that kind of stuff. Okay, thereby helping the guy who kills 438 00:31:40,720 --> 00:31:44,599 babies and packs the court whatever, it's fine. I do think it's interesting 439 00:31:44,640 --> 00:31:47,160 that we're having, for the first time in like one hundred and twenty years 440 00:31:47,200 --> 00:31:49,240 or I can't do math, one hundred and forty years, whatever, an 441 00:31:49,319 --> 00:31:56,160 opportunity to look at two presidencies side by side and pick which one you like 442 00:31:56,240 --> 00:32:00,759 better? Right like since Grover Cleveland, we haven't had this where you had 443 00:32:00,799 --> 00:32:06,240 Trump, you experienced that presidency and you know Biden and you experienced that presidency, 444 00:32:06,240 --> 00:32:07,160 and now you just get to be like, which one do I like 445 00:32:07,200 --> 00:32:12,480 better? And it you know, I think for a lot of people it's 446 00:32:12,519 --> 00:32:14,680 going to be like, go, I liked this one better. And so 447 00:32:14,720 --> 00:32:21,240 you see all like the Democrat and other anti Trumpist talking points are all about 448 00:32:21,279 --> 00:32:28,079 like other things like oh Trump is authoritarian or January sixth was the worst moment 449 00:32:28,119 --> 00:32:30,839 in the history of the world. And it seems like an effort to not 450 00:32:30,000 --> 00:32:34,920 just talk about what the Trump presidency was like versus the Biden presidency, like 451 00:32:35,240 --> 00:32:37,720 economically, in terms of world peace, in terms of the border, in 452 00:32:37,839 --> 00:32:43,119 terms of crime, in terms of taking on corrupt corporate media, like whatever 453 00:32:43,119 --> 00:32:45,240 the thing is that you care about. You just get to see a good 454 00:32:45,319 --> 00:32:49,960 side by side. It's weird, we'd never get this opportunity. It's always 455 00:32:50,039 --> 00:32:52,720 like you look in twenty twenty, it was like, well, maybe Joe 456 00:32:52,720 --> 00:32:55,000 Biden will be better than what we're going through now, and then you got 457 00:32:55,039 --> 00:32:58,680 to see it and it's like, Okay, I guess not. You know, 458 00:32:58,920 --> 00:33:01,839 but I think that you've so many times it's present. Presidential elections aren't 459 00:33:01,839 --> 00:33:05,839 actually about issued issues. It's about how who can get the vote out, 460 00:33:05,880 --> 00:33:08,000 and a lot of that has to do with enthusiasm for candidates and things like 461 00:33:08,039 --> 00:33:14,119 that. I don't see a lot of enthusiasm for Biden. But I do 462 00:33:14,200 --> 00:33:17,640 wonder if, like the bigger the election, the less like issues matter to 463 00:33:17,680 --> 00:33:21,519 people. I think there's just an ingrained part is in right, like if 464 00:33:21,559 --> 00:33:25,000 you're voting for this is why you get Republican governors in like state deep blue 465 00:33:25,039 --> 00:33:29,440 states sometimes I know they're very moderate and all that, but people care less 466 00:33:29,440 --> 00:33:31,480 about I think, partisanship, whereas when you're talking about the presidency, it's 467 00:33:31,480 --> 00:33:35,640 about everything in your life, it's about your whole belief system, and it's 468 00:33:35,680 --> 00:33:38,759 really difficult to change people's minds. So I don't even know why I'm talking 469 00:33:38,799 --> 00:33:44,000 about this, but I just feel like, how much enthusiasm is there for 470 00:33:44,119 --> 00:33:45,720 Biden? This is why I think Trump has a good shot at it. 471 00:33:45,799 --> 00:33:50,079 You know, I just don't feel like any a because of what you just 472 00:33:50,119 --> 00:33:53,680 said, would be because he's such an He's not a charismatic person. Honestly, 473 00:33:53,720 --> 00:33:57,640 I don't think I've ever met anyone's actually excited about voting for Biden, 474 00:33:57,720 --> 00:34:00,640 like people are excited about Trump, who love people, were excited about Obama, 475 00:34:00,680 --> 00:34:04,279 who loved them. They were actually excited about Clinton as well, and 476 00:34:04,400 --> 00:34:08,840 Ray again and maybe even w you know, in the beginning. So but 477 00:34:08,880 --> 00:34:16,760 I don't I think again, but they were excited about voting against Trump, 478 00:34:17,800 --> 00:34:21,559 that's for sure. So that is an issue, and I think people need 479 00:34:21,599 --> 00:34:25,840 to be enthusiasm for that. I keep thinking about with New Hampshire, Yeah, 480 00:34:25,880 --> 00:34:30,320 Trump won. He won decisively. He won with a bigger percentage of 481 00:34:30,320 --> 00:34:31,559 the vote total than he didn't I, which is actually kind of, you 482 00:34:31,559 --> 00:34:37,280 know, somewhat surprising given what New Hampshire is. But even even if you 483 00:34:37,320 --> 00:34:42,599 acknowledge that a lot of Nikki Hayley's votes were sort of like Democrat dirty tricksters 484 00:34:42,679 --> 00:34:47,800 or independent dirty tricksters, it still means something that people are that motivated by 485 00:34:47,800 --> 00:34:53,440 their, you know, sure irrational hatred of a man, because like irrational 486 00:34:53,440 --> 00:34:57,239 hatred is easy to whip up, and they have the corporate media and they 487 00:34:57,239 --> 00:35:00,679 have all their other institutions that can whip up that hatred. And that is 488 00:35:00,760 --> 00:35:07,119 like a real thing that will be present throughout twenty twenty four. So no, 489 00:35:07,199 --> 00:35:10,480 I on guard against it. Yeah, when you have a general election, 490 00:35:10,559 --> 00:35:14,559 those are actually people who are going to vote right. And so there 491 00:35:14,639 --> 00:35:17,360 is something to be said for trying to get independence on your side, which 492 00:35:17,400 --> 00:35:21,000 is I you know, if I'm a Republican, I worry about that with 493 00:35:21,079 --> 00:35:23,480 Trump, and not because he's conservative in a way. It's just his whole 494 00:35:23,519 --> 00:35:27,639 demeanor I think turns some kind of you know, a certain segment of society 495 00:35:27,679 --> 00:35:30,519 off, even if they're not very political Also, you know what people who 496 00:35:30,599 --> 00:35:36,000 just like pay attention, uh you know, who don't play attention to politics 497 00:35:36,000 --> 00:35:39,639 every day they hear how like extreme Trump is and what an extremist he is 498 00:35:39,639 --> 00:35:43,920 on this and that, but he's actually not. I mean, I say 499 00:35:44,000 --> 00:35:45,760 so all the time about My problem with is with him is that he isn't 500 00:35:45,960 --> 00:35:51,039 an economic conservative, for instance, and that matters to me. So anyway, 501 00:35:51,679 --> 00:35:53,239 anyway, he'll be interesting to see. I just don't I think everything 502 00:35:53,280 --> 00:35:58,559 that people do now with Haley kind of like ginning up interest about you know, 503 00:35:58,760 --> 00:36:01,920 is just for like ad in TV and for donors, like this is 504 00:36:02,000 --> 00:36:09,400 over right, you agree, Well, that's kind of what I was saying 505 00:36:09,440 --> 00:36:15,400 earlier though, that if you're Nikki Haley and the donors, you're actually trying 506 00:36:15,400 --> 00:36:17,039 to hurt Trump. So it's not over. It's going to go on till 507 00:36:17,079 --> 00:36:21,360 the very end, because the whole point is to hurt Trump. So now 508 00:36:21,400 --> 00:36:23,159 I get that, but I don't think that's going to work because Donald Trump 509 00:36:23,199 --> 00:36:28,280 is going to be running for the he's going to be racking up big victories. 510 00:36:28,280 --> 00:36:30,440 He's going to be running for the for the for the for the general. 511 00:36:30,559 --> 00:36:34,719 He's going to ignore Nicky Haley and only people are going to pay attention 512 00:36:35,119 --> 00:36:40,159 are the media who concerts don't read well watch. I don't know. I 513 00:36:40,199 --> 00:36:45,440 mean, I just want her to stay in through South Carolina. And I 514 00:36:45,480 --> 00:36:51,519 think my husband keeps on joking about how this is a southern governor who's going 515 00:36:51,559 --> 00:36:54,400 to win New Hampshire although she didn't, you know, but but did alright, 516 00:36:54,559 --> 00:37:01,440 New Hampshire and will lose her home state. Presumably that's got to be 517 00:37:01,480 --> 00:37:06,880 embarrassing. I want to see that embarrassment happen. Does that mean that DeSantis 518 00:37:06,920 --> 00:37:08,480 would have lost his home state as well? Right if he stayed in, 519 00:37:08,519 --> 00:37:14,440 which which by the way, should have been an indication for all of them. 520 00:37:14,519 --> 00:37:17,599 Just saying anyway, all right, let's just like to say, nobody 521 00:37:17,639 --> 00:37:22,760 could love Ron DeSantis more than the people who elected him by a twenty point 522 00:37:22,800 --> 00:37:29,320 margin, right, all of those Republicans clearly love their governor. And if 523 00:37:29,320 --> 00:37:34,760 he wasn't and if he wasn't going to win his home state, what chance 524 00:37:34,760 --> 00:37:37,480 did he have in the rest of the country. You know? Well, 525 00:37:37,679 --> 00:37:42,360 can I at first second just give the case for champion championing my normy candidates 526 00:37:42,360 --> 00:37:45,039 who I like? So, yeah, Glenn Youngkin, who's not going to 527 00:37:45,079 --> 00:37:46,719 run for president probably ever, maybe I don't know what's going to happen. 528 00:37:47,039 --> 00:37:52,639 He is a plus twenty six in approval polls right now in Virginia, which 529 00:37:52,679 --> 00:37:55,039 is a blue state. Let's be honest, I lived there, so yes, 530 00:37:55,079 --> 00:37:58,440 I unders say it hasn't won. I don't think. I don't think 531 00:37:58,480 --> 00:38:02,760 a Republican's won here in a long time. Right, Biden is a minus 532 00:38:02,760 --> 00:38:07,559 thirty six in the same polls. Like that is a pretty incredible thing to 533 00:38:07,639 --> 00:38:09,760 see. And he is. Listen, I don't think he's getting everything done 534 00:38:09,800 --> 00:38:15,199 that he said, but he is a pretty competent, normal kind of candidate 535 00:38:15,559 --> 00:38:19,480 that is not very Trump like that can do well in states. I think 536 00:38:19,480 --> 00:38:21,719 the same thing of Georgia, and I sort of think the same thing of 537 00:38:21,719 --> 00:38:24,079 Florida, And I just think that Republicans need more candidates like that. Just 538 00:38:24,119 --> 00:38:30,800 putting in my norm my my endorsement of normal. What is it? What 539 00:38:30,880 --> 00:38:36,199 kind of vest does he wear? What are those called police police vest wearing? 540 00:38:36,559 --> 00:38:40,639 Like normy? You know the man, isn't he a billionaire? He's 541 00:38:40,760 --> 00:38:46,679 rich? Yah? I don't know. I love him aim and by the 542 00:38:46,719 --> 00:38:50,760 way, I like him. He even has done Trump rich Like, what 543 00:38:50,920 --> 00:38:57,920 is that Trump's a billionaire? Is he probably not? What I'm no, 544 00:38:57,960 --> 00:39:00,599 Actually, what I mean by that is who was just yesterday that couldn't believe 545 00:39:00,679 --> 00:39:07,719 that the man that, like the total working class feels understands them the best, 546 00:39:07,880 --> 00:39:10,599 is a billionaire from Queens. Like it doesn't make any sense, right, 547 00:39:12,320 --> 00:39:16,360 But I meant like, is he in the sense of like it's sort 548 00:39:16,360 --> 00:39:22,960 of a state of mind too, And I mean he probably doesn't have gold 549 00:39:22,280 --> 00:39:27,679 toilets right like Trump did in whatever house he had, Like do you see 550 00:39:27,679 --> 00:39:30,960 his you know what his a state looks like? Like what I'm saying is 551 00:39:30,000 --> 00:39:35,760 like Trump acts like a billionaire and he still connects with people. Queen's actually 552 00:39:35,760 --> 00:39:37,639 when he was born, for sure was a very middle class, working class 553 00:39:37,639 --> 00:39:42,000 place. By the way, even though he wasn't born in that sort of 554 00:39:42,079 --> 00:39:45,239 area. Anyway, I'm sick of talking about him. They're gonna have to 555 00:39:45,280 --> 00:39:50,320 deal with this forever, both of these guys. Like I thought I was 556 00:39:50,360 --> 00:39:55,119 done with Joe Biden like fifteen years ago or whatever. Can we talk about 557 00:39:57,239 --> 00:40:02,079 the layoffs? The layoffs that Los Angeles Times once one of the great newspapers 558 00:40:02,159 --> 00:40:07,800 in America? Oh so No, I actually I never was really like a 559 00:40:07,840 --> 00:40:10,559 super reader of the time. So I would say in the West, it 560 00:40:10,679 --> 00:40:14,360 was like one of the you know, just a major paper. I mean 561 00:40:14,360 --> 00:40:15,920 it was big, you know, it was a big paper. I don't 562 00:40:15,920 --> 00:40:20,679 know what it's circulations. It's a huge, biggest city in the United States, 563 00:40:20,719 --> 00:40:25,360 right, so kind of important. So there's this little debate that broke 564 00:40:25,400 --> 00:40:30,280 out online about like dancing on the graves of these reporters, right, and 565 00:40:30,440 --> 00:40:32,280 is it you know I've got you know, I don't want to pick on 566 00:40:32,360 --> 00:40:36,360 anyone, but some people said, you know, it's not you know, 567 00:40:36,360 --> 00:40:38,519 you shouldn't. You know, it's in poor form, or it's not really 568 00:40:38,559 --> 00:40:40,960 ethical to do it, or you should you know. I don't know what 569 00:40:40,960 --> 00:40:45,880 the argument was. And I'm not big on dancing on you know, celebrating 570 00:40:45,880 --> 00:40:47,519 when people get fired. But even though I think most of these people are 571 00:40:47,559 --> 00:40:52,679 my enemy in a more a serious way than just a political opponent. But 572 00:40:52,760 --> 00:40:55,760 the problem with these layoffs, I just want to say this is that and 573 00:40:55,840 --> 00:40:59,800 I witnessed some of them at the at the Denver Post when I worked there, 574 00:41:00,079 --> 00:41:02,760 is it's not like the worst people are being laid off. The real 575 00:41:02,920 --> 00:41:07,800 problem people are rarely being laid off. What you're laying off our copy editors 576 00:41:07,880 --> 00:41:09,880 culture, right, I don't get me around. Those people are probably far 577 00:41:09,960 --> 00:41:14,519 flong leftists as well, but you're getting rid of like the local reporter who 578 00:41:14,639 --> 00:41:21,519 toils in city hall and things like that. Someone with knowledge of the situation 579 00:41:21,679 --> 00:41:25,320 told me, in fact that the best people were the ones laid off. 580 00:41:25,599 --> 00:41:32,159 But that's like being you know, my problem is I'm not like saying much. 581 00:41:32,280 --> 00:41:35,760 You know, like the best people at the LA Times are still pretty 582 00:41:35,760 --> 00:41:38,880 bad people. So my point is, like every incentive I just keep saying 583 00:41:38,920 --> 00:41:42,920 this, every incentive in media is to be terrible. You really even keep 584 00:41:42,960 --> 00:41:47,000 your job longer than the person who's not completely terrible. So I just don't 585 00:41:47,039 --> 00:41:52,199 think these Yeah, who's the guy who just bought the Baltimore Son. Did 586 00:41:52,199 --> 00:41:57,840 you read that story? It's the Baltimore Son. Yeah. So there's this 587 00:41:57,840 --> 00:42:01,280 guy, his name is David Smith, and he run I think he's like 588 00:42:01,320 --> 00:42:06,880 the largest shareholder in Sinclair Media Group. But then like individually, he bought 589 00:42:06,920 --> 00:42:12,119 the Baltimore Sun, and he is not left of center, and he has 590 00:42:12,320 --> 00:42:15,360 purchased either through Sinclair or himself, like a bunch of media properties and people 591 00:42:15,400 --> 00:42:20,400 were outraged. There were all these leftists who are like, how dare someone 592 00:42:20,400 --> 00:42:24,519 who's not a crazy leftist purchase a media publication? And first off, I 593 00:42:24,519 --> 00:42:28,840 just want to remind everybody that I think it was one of the Koch brothers 594 00:42:29,559 --> 00:42:32,719 now known as the big Nikki hayleybackers, you know, so like that conservative 595 00:42:34,719 --> 00:42:37,599 tried to buy the Los Angeles Times a few years ago, and it was 596 00:42:37,639 --> 00:42:42,719 met with just unbelievable hostility and outrage. And it's you know, a tiny 597 00:42:42,760 --> 00:42:45,639 bit funny to see that all these people who said you are not allowed to 598 00:42:45,679 --> 00:42:49,599 buy our publication and try to salvage it are now dealing with a just a 599 00:42:49,679 --> 00:42:54,679 complete hollowed out workforce. But secondly, I think that ownership kind of does 600 00:42:54,800 --> 00:43:00,760 matter when it comes to media companies, even you know, like when I 601 00:43:00,800 --> 00:43:05,519 started a Ganat publication, everyone I worked with was crazy left wing, but 602 00:43:05,639 --> 00:43:09,039 the expectations of the editors, who were also left wing, by the way, 603 00:43:09,599 --> 00:43:15,159 was that we report facts less than narrative. And I'm not saying that 604 00:43:15,199 --> 00:43:17,280 the narrative didn't get through, but a lot of the people I worked with 605 00:43:17,360 --> 00:43:22,800 were actually, like some of them were crazy leftists. Like when they left 606 00:43:22,840 --> 00:43:27,119 there, they went and worked for crazy left wing groups and unions and stuff 607 00:43:27,159 --> 00:43:32,079 like that. But they actually could write decent copy without being totally unhinged, 608 00:43:32,800 --> 00:43:37,400 And I do wonder if that's not, you know, possible for a lot 609 00:43:37,440 --> 00:43:39,039 of these people. They just need the proper incentive to say, like, 610 00:43:39,039 --> 00:43:43,639 hey, we're going to focus on facts instead of your weird agenda, and 611 00:43:43,920 --> 00:43:45,360 it would take care of you know, I don't know half of the problem 612 00:43:45,360 --> 00:43:50,480 with the bias. Yeah, at this point, it's not even bias that 613 00:43:50,519 --> 00:43:53,960 I'm biased that bothers me. It's just that that there are literally conspiracy theories 614 00:43:54,000 --> 00:43:59,639 being spread and they're literally not things are not factual anymore. Used to read 615 00:43:59,639 --> 00:44:01,400 between the lines, I got the story, I got that there was a 616 00:44:01,440 --> 00:44:05,000 narrative attached, but at least i'd get the facts. Now I don't even 617 00:44:05,000 --> 00:44:08,719 get that. So that's one of the problems. But also didn't a conservatives 618 00:44:08,760 --> 00:44:14,000 from conservative German dude by Politico and it hasn't changed at all. Nothing's really 619 00:44:14,039 --> 00:44:19,440 changed. Do you say conservative German dude? No, it's not conservative at 620 00:44:19,480 --> 00:44:25,320 all. I thought I thought some conservative about Politico bought that company. Anyway, 621 00:44:27,480 --> 00:44:32,360 I believe some conservative you're talking about Axel Springer, the German company. 622 00:44:34,559 --> 00:44:37,639 Yeah, I thought the CEO is nothing conservative about them, all right, 623 00:44:37,679 --> 00:44:44,599 So I had that run. I apologized, but I've long thought that conservatives 624 00:44:44,639 --> 00:44:46,400 instead of and I'm not saying, don't scent the thing tanks. I think 625 00:44:46,440 --> 00:44:51,440 thanks are nice and all that sort of billions they sent to candidates, that's 626 00:44:51,760 --> 00:44:53,679 necessary, but they took some of that money. About a newspaper, a 627 00:44:53,760 --> 00:45:02,119 major newspaper, I think that would be much more effected in helping the political 628 00:45:02,159 --> 00:45:06,639 cause of conservatism. And I don't mean they need to create some kind of 629 00:45:06,719 --> 00:45:12,320 like opinion journal. I'm just talking about straightforward reporting. Everything has a little 630 00:45:12,320 --> 00:45:15,199 bias in it, even when you try not to, because you're right in 631 00:45:15,639 --> 00:45:17,119 how you viewed the world and all that. But I just think it would 632 00:45:17,119 --> 00:45:21,679 be helpful. Everyone says that or thinks to Wall Street Journal is conservative just 633 00:45:21,719 --> 00:45:24,960 because it's not like outrageously left wing all the time, or because it's editorial 634 00:45:25,000 --> 00:45:30,480 pages, you know, free market oriented, but it's really not very conservative 635 00:45:30,519 --> 00:45:35,079 at all. I don't think there is any major conservative newspaper, maybe in 636 00:45:35,119 --> 00:45:37,800 some sense the New York Post, but even there, the cultural stuff, 637 00:45:37,840 --> 00:45:43,920 I would say is not very conservative. So Federalist is obviously a national political 638 00:45:44,880 --> 00:45:47,960 focused publication. We also cover policy and culture and things like that. But 639 00:45:49,039 --> 00:45:53,360 I do think there's an argument to be made for local media, and here's 640 00:45:53,360 --> 00:45:57,360 the best argument, you know, like or here's the way to indicate that 641 00:45:57,440 --> 00:46:02,920 it's important. The Left has invested hundreds of millions of dollars just in the 642 00:46:02,960 --> 00:46:09,159 last few years alone in funding local media. Local media is read by a 643 00:46:09,159 --> 00:46:13,039 lot of people. It's one of the reasons why at the Federalists we try 644 00:46:13,039 --> 00:46:16,800 to pick up as many local stories as possible, whether that's about education or 645 00:46:16,840 --> 00:46:21,840 other governance issues at the state or local level. It is very important to 646 00:46:21,880 --> 00:46:25,719 people. It helps them make decisions. The Left has invested mightily in that. 647 00:46:25,920 --> 00:46:30,159 And when you control the airspace, you control the ground game. And 648 00:46:30,199 --> 00:46:35,000 the left understands that with media. That's why they did get mad when David 649 00:46:35,039 --> 00:46:38,679 Smith bought the Baltimore Son because they view these institutions as theirs to play with, 650 00:46:38,800 --> 00:46:44,000 to control what people think and how they vote and all these things. 651 00:46:44,760 --> 00:46:50,480 Right of centered donors should think very seriously about the airspace and how little of 652 00:46:50,519 --> 00:46:53,880 it they control. And part of that is through national media that make a 653 00:46:53,920 --> 00:46:58,880 difference. You know, in the DC New York area that's like very very 654 00:46:59,000 --> 00:47:01,559 very important and it goes down to the state and local level. But they 655 00:47:01,559 --> 00:47:06,639 should also probably think about funding or like investing in local media as well. 656 00:47:07,800 --> 00:47:14,239 Yeah, local media is huge because it affects people more, know more intimately 657 00:47:14,280 --> 00:47:17,199 than anything else that happens. So, and the thing is, journalism is 658 00:47:17,239 --> 00:47:22,360 a craft and people who have to who really report well, understand their topic 659 00:47:22,400 --> 00:47:25,000 inside and out. They're embedded in the places where it happens. Like, 660 00:47:25,039 --> 00:47:29,400 we do the best we can, right, but having someone on the ground 661 00:47:29,400 --> 00:47:37,639 is super important. Anyway, A bigger picture just comment on this, is 662 00:47:37,679 --> 00:47:42,519 that media is dying. No one trusts them. Is not a viable business 663 00:47:42,519 --> 00:47:45,960 for the most part in many places anymore because no one trusts them. I 664 00:47:45,960 --> 00:47:49,960 think it has to do with technology. Also, I know, I know 665 00:47:50,000 --> 00:47:52,519 everyone wants to think it's all driven by ideological stuff, but it's technology. 666 00:47:52,800 --> 00:48:00,280 Technologies change in the way we receive news. So are you worried because a 667 00:48:00,519 --> 00:48:05,239 big case is often made and a lot of local reporters are fired, you 668 00:48:05,280 --> 00:48:07,039 know, the people who are at city hall and stuff like that. Do 669 00:48:07,039 --> 00:48:09,800 you think that this is really bad for democracy that we have papers sort of 670 00:48:10,440 --> 00:48:14,960 dying in these cities Denver? Like I said in Denver. There's really no 671 00:48:15,079 --> 00:48:20,840 major newspaper anymore, not anyone that really covers issues in any real serious way. 672 00:48:21,159 --> 00:48:23,239 Okay, so I actually disagree with the thing you said. Well, 673 00:48:23,239 --> 00:48:27,880 you're saying something about media dying, and I would say, it's not that 674 00:48:27,920 --> 00:48:30,880 they're dying. In fact, they're very powerful. They might not make money, 675 00:48:31,400 --> 00:48:36,360 but at least the left understands that the media aren't totally for the purpose 676 00:48:36,400 --> 00:48:40,039 of making money so much as as obtaining power, and through power you might 677 00:48:40,079 --> 00:48:44,800 make money, and they have other things, but it's also about just the 678 00:48:44,800 --> 00:48:47,400 consolidation in the media space. So if you look, you know, like 679 00:48:47,519 --> 00:48:52,639 go all the way back to Tokville when he's talking about how competitive newspaper environment 680 00:48:53,079 --> 00:48:58,119 creates this vibrant democracy, we do not have that anymore. We do not 681 00:48:58,239 --> 00:49:02,559 have competitive newspaper environment. We don't have it in towns or cities or states 682 00:49:02,639 --> 00:49:07,559 or even in the nation. Really, we have a decreasing number of papers 683 00:49:07,599 --> 00:49:16,119 controlled by a vastly decreasing number of corporations or individuals. It used to be 684 00:49:16,239 --> 00:49:21,239 you know, hundreds or thousands, many thousands probably of owners in the media 685 00:49:21,280 --> 00:49:23,440 space, and now we're down to like single digits in some cases. Like 686 00:49:23,559 --> 00:49:29,400 most TV stations are owned by just a very tiny number of people. Same 687 00:49:29,440 --> 00:49:34,119 with newspapers, same with radio stations, and that's not good for anybody. 688 00:49:34,280 --> 00:49:37,280 No, And I don't know, you know, I was not prepared to 689 00:49:37,320 --> 00:49:40,639 think about, you know, talking about solutions to this or anything. But 690 00:49:40,800 --> 00:49:45,239 I don't think it's good. And I'd previously a few weeks ago talked about 691 00:49:45,239 --> 00:49:52,199 how in my neighborhood they're bringing the Wizards and Capital's Arena to like to the 692 00:49:52,599 --> 00:49:59,320 town that I live in. There was no media coverage of this prior to 693 00:49:59,360 --> 00:50:04,840 it being based on a done deal. There was no input from the people 694 00:50:04,840 --> 00:50:07,400 who will be affected by this, and now there's like no opportunity to fight 695 00:50:07,440 --> 00:50:12,480 back against it, and still no real media pushing back against it. And 696 00:50:12,519 --> 00:50:19,920 it's not good, Like it's it's unhealthy for civic health to have this level 697 00:50:19,920 --> 00:50:23,639 of like there's no no buy in and no accountability and no scrutiny, and 698 00:50:23,719 --> 00:50:31,519 that's what local media can really do. Yeah, it's a shame. Okay, 699 00:50:31,719 --> 00:50:37,559 Let's talk about happier things, like all the women involved in the Barbie 700 00:50:37,599 --> 00:50:43,119 movie being denied Oscar nominations. I loved our piece we ran about how like 701 00:50:43,360 --> 00:50:47,639 don't blame the patriarchy for Ken being only nominated for he didn't deserve an ask 702 00:50:47,760 --> 00:50:52,119 he doesn't deserve. I actually saw this movie. I thought it was okay, 703 00:50:52,239 --> 00:50:59,639 but it wasn't anything Oscar worthy in the way that I remember things being 704 00:50:59,679 --> 00:51:05,599 Oscar worthy. It's not very memorable, the stories kind of tropy and annoying 705 00:51:05,639 --> 00:51:09,840 at the end. I think the performances were fine. Does Ryan Gosling really 706 00:51:09,880 --> 00:51:15,119 deserve an Oscar nomination for that role? It seems like to me no, 707 00:51:15,480 --> 00:51:21,199 But yeah, I'm not an expert cultural culture movie reviewer. What do you 708 00:51:21,199 --> 00:51:23,960 think? So? I neither hated the movie nor loved the movie as much 709 00:51:23,960 --> 00:51:27,880 as most people like. I was very much in the middle on it and 710 00:51:27,920 --> 00:51:30,719 then even and I did not think it was but I did not think it 711 00:51:30,719 --> 00:51:34,880 was a very high quality movie. I certainly don't think that it deserves the 712 00:51:34,920 --> 00:51:42,079 Best Director nomination. And I'm fine with Ryan Gosling getting a nomination because I 713 00:51:42,079 --> 00:51:44,880 think it's probably at least as good as the other nominees. I don't know. 714 00:51:45,079 --> 00:51:47,719 I haven't read who the other nominees are, so sorry for that. 715 00:51:49,039 --> 00:51:52,760 I do remember that when I went my oldest daughter, her favorite part of 716 00:51:52,800 --> 00:51:58,480 the movie was when Ken drags the patriarchy back to Barbie World, which I 717 00:51:58,480 --> 00:52:00,440 think is supposed to be a low point of the film, but in her 718 00:52:00,480 --> 00:52:07,159 mind that was like when things kind of improved. And then I also want 719 00:52:07,199 --> 00:52:09,480 to say, there's like a big speech that there is definitely not an Oscar 720 00:52:10,000 --> 00:52:15,119 worthy speech given by America for Rara or their name about how being a woman 721 00:52:15,199 --> 00:52:17,960 is so awful, and I didn't like that because I didn't want my kids 722 00:52:19,000 --> 00:52:22,000 to think being a woman is awful, because being a woman is awesome. 723 00:52:22,880 --> 00:52:29,760 But if you reinterpret that speech as feminism is awful, like what feminism demands 724 00:52:29,760 --> 00:52:34,760 of people and how much it like never allows for happiness, it's a less 725 00:52:34,800 --> 00:52:39,920 bad speech. But in general, I kind of wish Hollywood would make more 726 00:52:39,960 --> 00:52:45,679 accessible films, such as a Barbie type film. I don't like all of 727 00:52:45,719 --> 00:52:50,159 these like weird films that aren't actually there. We were talking in the Federalist 728 00:52:50,320 --> 00:52:53,519 chat about that movie that I think you mentioned it that everything everywhere all at 729 00:52:53,559 --> 00:52:58,679 once, Yeah, one icture, right, which I did. I mean, 730 00:52:58,800 --> 00:53:01,760 I watched it and I found it incredibly frustrating, and like really thought 731 00:53:01,800 --> 00:53:05,800 it was cute. You know, you could tell they thought they were cute, 732 00:53:05,880 --> 00:53:10,079 and it wasn't nearly so good as it thought itself to be. I 733 00:53:10,119 --> 00:53:15,760 thought it was visually arresting. Sure, so at least it had something which 734 00:53:15,800 --> 00:53:19,480 I don't even think. Barbiehavies was so whiny, wasn't it. It was? 735 00:53:19,719 --> 00:53:22,760 I hate whininess. Yeah, it was annoying. I mean I don't 736 00:53:22,760 --> 00:53:27,119 even remember what it was about exactly, so that says that it wasn't very 737 00:53:27,119 --> 00:53:30,960 good. Listen. I try to judge movies for what they are, right, 738 00:53:31,000 --> 00:53:36,920 So if you're watching sort of you know, if I'm watching Mario Brothers 739 00:53:37,000 --> 00:53:38,360 the movie or whatever it was called, you know, it was funny and 740 00:53:38,400 --> 00:53:42,079 it did what it was supposed to do. A lot of movies I think 741 00:53:42,119 --> 00:53:47,599 are pretentious and are like they exist to win Oscars. Like you can tell 742 00:53:47,639 --> 00:53:52,480 that these people are really trying hard to win Oscars. That annoys me to 743 00:53:52,559 --> 00:53:54,280 know, you know, I'm just annoyed by that. Let me read you, 744 00:53:54,320 --> 00:54:00,599 by the way. The the movies that are up for Best Picture, 745 00:54:00,679 --> 00:54:02,159 so the Holdovers, which I actually want to see. I want to see 746 00:54:02,199 --> 00:54:06,679 that too, American fiction, no idea what that is? Well, I 747 00:54:06,719 --> 00:54:08,599 definitely want to see that. That's the one where like the guy who's like 748 00:54:08,599 --> 00:54:13,480 a legitimate author, but to be sold as a black author, you have 749 00:54:13,480 --> 00:54:15,119 to be called oh yeah, I want a black author. And that guy 750 00:54:15,199 --> 00:54:19,920 is annoying like that. The guy who stars in it is really annoying, 751 00:54:19,960 --> 00:54:23,559 like he sometimes goes after me on Twitter, I think, but really he's 752 00:54:23,599 --> 00:54:28,440 just he's very political. He was in he was in Westworld. I like 753 00:54:28,519 --> 00:54:31,760 him as an actor. He's around yeah, okay, zone of interest. 754 00:54:31,880 --> 00:54:37,119 I don't know what that is, no clue. Barbie Oppenheimer. Wait, 755 00:54:37,239 --> 00:54:42,440 Barbie was nominated for Best Picture and they're all complaining about it that is does 756 00:54:42,519 --> 00:54:45,199 not deserve to be They just made sure not to give the women any nominations. 757 00:54:46,239 --> 00:54:52,079 Oppenheimer or things, which is like this RC movie with Emma Stone. 758 00:54:52,079 --> 00:54:53,400 I haven't seen it. Past Live, what is it called? What is 759 00:54:53,440 --> 00:55:00,239 the Poor Thing? Or things? Yeah? I like Past Lives. I 760 00:55:00,280 --> 00:55:02,519 don't know what that is. Anatomy of a Fall. I don't know what 761 00:55:02,559 --> 00:55:07,880 that is, Maestro, which I haven't seen. Nor that's the Bradley Cooper 762 00:55:07,960 --> 00:55:12,719 doing U Upper. Yeah, what did you know? Did you know he 763 00:55:12,840 --> 00:55:16,360 wastin? Did you know he was gay? I did? Sorry, it 764 00:55:16,360 --> 00:55:20,480 seems like two hours of like he's gay, Okay, we got it. 765 00:55:20,519 --> 00:55:24,400 The best thing to read on him is is Thomas Wolfe's Radical Chic. That's 766 00:55:24,400 --> 00:55:28,679 his apartment, that that all happens. And then the final one is Kill 767 00:55:29,000 --> 00:55:32,000 Killers of the Flower Moon, which incidentally I watched half of because I have 768 00:55:32,039 --> 00:55:36,320 to set aside a lot of time to watch that movie. It's like three 769 00:55:36,360 --> 00:55:40,960 and a half hours, but which I felt. What I've seen I think 770 00:55:42,079 --> 00:55:44,400 is fine, is good. I don't think it's like one of the best 771 00:55:44,440 --> 00:55:49,360 Scorsese movies, but it's okay. Have you seen that? No. Mark 772 00:55:49,440 --> 00:55:52,239 has told me a great deal about this story on which it's based, and 773 00:55:52,320 --> 00:55:54,360 so I just don't want to see that much. But I have read that 774 00:55:54,559 --> 00:55:58,440 book. I mean I read, I read most of that book, and 775 00:55:58,679 --> 00:56:00,800 this is not I mean, it's basically about that book, but it is 776 00:56:00,920 --> 00:56:06,159 also a little preachy. Where's the book felt less preachy? Sorry, go 777 00:56:06,199 --> 00:56:08,719 on, This has nothing to do with any of that. But somehow, 778 00:56:08,719 --> 00:56:13,320 when you were mentioning Thomas Wolfe, I wanted to say that I had reread 779 00:56:14,000 --> 00:56:20,119 Joan Didion's essay on Dick Cheney from during the Bush presidency, and it is 780 00:56:20,239 --> 00:56:25,639 worth rereading. It's vicious, but it's worth rereading if you're not a huge 781 00:56:25,719 --> 00:56:31,280 Actually, can I I have something now that you brought us down this alley? 782 00:56:32,079 --> 00:56:37,480 There is a trailer out or tomorrow, the trailer for the new remake 783 00:56:37,599 --> 00:56:43,360 of Roadhouses out with I can't say this actor's named Glennon Hall or Jinnen Hall, 784 00:56:44,199 --> 00:56:49,360 Jillen Hall, jill In Hall, and it was it reminded me of 785 00:56:49,360 --> 00:56:52,039 something someone said, and I do not know who this is or give them 786 00:56:52,079 --> 00:56:55,079 credit, is that the problem with remakes isn't that we're remaking movies. We 787 00:56:55,079 --> 00:57:00,519 should stop remaking movies that are perfect like Roadhouse and start rem making movies that 788 00:57:00,679 --> 00:57:06,360 had great plots but were poorly made. Right And someone so I tweeted this, 789 00:57:06,400 --> 00:57:07,760 and someone's like, well, give me an example of what that kind 790 00:57:07,800 --> 00:57:10,400 of movie is. And I couldn't think of anything. But then someone sent 791 00:57:10,440 --> 00:57:15,239 me a tweet that said Bonfire of the Vanities. So, just bringing it 792 00:57:15,280 --> 00:57:17,320 back to Thomas Wolfe, that book is one of the greatest books about New 793 00:57:17,360 --> 00:57:22,639 York ever written. The movie kind of sucks, So that would be one 794 00:57:22,760 --> 00:57:28,039 that someone could remake and make better. Rather than taking movies everyone loves and 795 00:57:28,159 --> 00:57:32,119 ruining them or making them more serious or dark. Or whatever people do. 796 00:57:32,440 --> 00:57:37,840 Anyway, that's a conversation. Yeah, okay, I like it. I 797 00:57:37,880 --> 00:57:42,079 only saw what did I watch? I watched watched a terrible movie. Don't 798 00:57:42,079 --> 00:57:45,239 ask me why, and don't mock me, called Queen Pins. It has 799 00:57:45,280 --> 00:57:49,280 like Kristen Bell. Is that her name? Oh? I think my husband 800 00:57:50,159 --> 00:57:59,760 likes her. Oh. It's about these women who like they set up this 801 00:58:00,440 --> 00:58:04,440 with coupons and make millions of dollars illegally. The reason I watched it was 802 00:58:04,519 --> 00:58:08,840 because the two like cop figures who chase them are Vinson, who I sort 803 00:58:08,840 --> 00:58:15,920 of like, but also the guy who played who was the Atlanta bomber, 804 00:58:15,039 --> 00:58:20,280 and they made the movie Clinicewood made a movie about it. Do you know 805 00:58:20,320 --> 00:58:22,760 what I'm talking about? Oh? I know. It's called Richard Jewel and 806 00:58:22,800 --> 00:58:27,920 I show I show it to my students each year. So which character the 807 00:58:29,599 --> 00:58:36,199 Jewel? Yeah, it's a Paul Walter Paul Walter Houser. Yeah he's and 808 00:58:36,199 --> 00:58:38,800 by the way, I know him because like him. So he and I 809 00:58:38,920 --> 00:58:46,079 share something in common. Yeah, we're both children of Missouri s and and 810 00:58:46,199 --> 00:58:51,800 Lutheran pastors. There you go. I think he is. He's a PK 811 00:58:52,000 --> 00:58:57,719 fantastic fantastic actor. I agree. I watched him in on an Apple show 812 00:58:57,760 --> 00:58:59,960 whose name I can't remember. Played a killer. He was a maid. 813 00:59:00,280 --> 00:59:06,719 Yeah, so I watched that. Oh here's another thing I watch. Did 814 00:59:06,760 --> 00:59:08,880 you ever get nominated for an oscar for Richard Jewel because he should have he 815 00:59:08,960 --> 00:59:13,480 probably probably, yeah, probably, yeah, I don't know. Okay, 816 00:59:12,880 --> 00:59:17,760 Okay. Sometimes in my like you, when you watch them on YouTube, 817 00:59:17,800 --> 00:59:21,480 you get all these things on the side and you're sucked in and all that. 818 00:59:21,719 --> 00:59:24,800 Well, one of them was Architectural Digest has this thing where they visit 819 00:59:24,880 --> 00:59:29,360 like celebrity homes that can invite you into their homes. And I'm hooked on 820 00:59:29,400 --> 00:59:32,360 that right now. The way these people live. Yeah, especially I saw 821 00:59:32,480 --> 00:59:37,000 Ray Romano's house. That was an excellent one. So okay, I'm hooked 822 00:59:37,000 --> 00:59:40,119 on that. That's all I have is a musical suggestion. I really haven't 823 00:59:40,119 --> 00:59:44,199 mean, I know we were going somewhere with that more No, no, 824 00:59:44,280 --> 00:59:50,360 okay, just fill in space here for things to say on culture. Just 825 00:59:50,400 --> 00:59:53,440 my musical recommendation this week is ty Siegel is the guy's name. He plays 826 00:59:53,519 --> 01:00:00,559 like garage kind of rat like retro stuff and he's he's really uh he puts 827 01:00:00,559 --> 01:00:05,400 out a lot of stuff, but it's good stuff. That's all I have. 828 01:00:07,000 --> 01:00:10,320 Well that's that was great. No, I have like nothing, and 829 01:00:10,360 --> 01:00:14,800 I'm sorry. Oh wait, I will say this is my cultural thing. 830 01:00:15,079 --> 01:00:22,119 I was really busy this fall, and so my youngest had requested that we 831 01:00:22,159 --> 01:00:24,800 do more museums in DC, kind of like we used to, and so 832 01:00:25,760 --> 01:00:31,400 I took the kids to the Smithsonian Museum of American History, which I hadn't 833 01:00:31,400 --> 01:00:38,239 been to in a really long time. And I hated that museum. I 834 01:00:38,280 --> 01:00:43,119 mean, it was really cool. Have you been there? Probably I went 835 01:00:43,159 --> 01:00:46,159 to all of them years ago. Okay, So first and foremost, I 836 01:00:46,159 --> 01:00:52,519 would just say it was not a lot of information. And I don't want 837 01:00:52,559 --> 01:00:54,280 to be overloaded with information. I don't want to have to read a lot, 838 01:00:54,320 --> 01:00:58,679 but like, you can convey a lot of information in the high quality 839 01:00:58,760 --> 01:01:02,280 museum, and I just didn't like it was conveying information or doing it in 840 01:01:02,320 --> 01:01:06,599 a way that made sense. Okay, So that's one thing. It just 841 01:01:06,639 --> 01:01:15,000 seemed also like low quality, Like it didn't seem like the exhibits were put 842 01:01:15,039 --> 01:01:21,639 together very well. There was a Richard Avedon little exhibit that did not prioritize 843 01:01:22,440 --> 01:01:29,480 photography, but big quotes of left wing insanity, and the photos were not 844 01:01:29,679 --> 01:01:32,280 well lit, they were not well displayed, and I'm just like, I 845 01:01:32,320 --> 01:01:38,639 can take a lot of liberal idiocy, but give me something worth looking at. 846 01:01:39,360 --> 01:01:45,239 And then we sort of ended with the part where you get to talk 847 01:01:45,280 --> 01:01:47,599 about entertainment and stuff like that, and like there was a Prince guitar, 848 01:01:47,800 --> 01:01:52,159 you know, which is exciting. And most of that exhibit was about like 849 01:01:52,199 --> 01:01:57,679 hating America and I'm just sick of the America hatred. I am so sick 850 01:01:57,880 --> 01:02:01,239 to death of the America hatred. And it was oozing throughout this Museum of 851 01:02:01,280 --> 01:02:06,559 American History and how evil and awful, and I just was done with it. 852 01:02:06,599 --> 01:02:12,440 And then also it was like a high privilege placed on left wing political 853 01:02:12,480 --> 01:02:15,480 activism and very low privilege put on the right. I mean, I really 854 01:02:15,559 --> 01:02:19,320 had a not great time. So I'm hoping the rest of our museum tour 855 01:02:19,440 --> 01:02:22,280 will go better than the Museum of American History, which I would not really 856 01:02:23,559 --> 01:02:25,880 I would encourage, like, if you're going, just go check out the 857 01:02:25,960 --> 01:02:31,119 ruby slippers. Get out, no need to waste time. I've noticed that 858 01:02:31,199 --> 01:02:38,800 in Williamsburg, Virginia museums as well, or like where there's this like guilt 859 01:02:38,800 --> 01:02:43,119 stricken subtext to everything all of a sudden, do you know what I'm saying? 860 01:02:43,320 --> 01:02:49,840 Like it's like interwoven with stuff that should just be innocuous about, like 861 01:02:50,000 --> 01:02:52,079 how people lived in colonial times, but now all of a sudden, like 862 01:02:52,159 --> 01:02:57,199 slavery has to be mentioned every like you know, second sign. And it 863 01:02:57,320 --> 01:03:02,960 just seems like a like like someone felt really guilty about something and decided to 864 01:03:02,960 --> 01:03:07,159 go in and change everything, you know. And I wonder if this is 865 01:03:07,199 --> 01:03:09,079 going on everywhere in museums. I bet you it is. Yeah, I 866 01:03:09,159 --> 01:03:13,559 don't. I went to the Museum of the Confederacy or whatever it was in 867 01:03:13,679 --> 01:03:15,639 Richmond, and it didn't seem that bad. I mean, there, I 868 01:03:15,679 --> 01:03:19,320 definitely heard from some people who were like, oh, that's way too anti 869 01:03:19,480 --> 01:03:22,599 Confederacy or whatever. But I'm pretty anti Confederacy, so it wasn't really a 870 01:03:22,679 --> 01:03:27,880 huge problem. But even that didn't seem so preachy. It seemed like you 871 01:03:27,880 --> 01:03:31,800 were kind of getting like an accurate reflection on what the war was like different 872 01:03:31,800 --> 01:03:35,880 people. And I'm like, I know enough to know that I don't like 873 01:03:35,920 --> 01:03:40,960 the Confederacy. I don't need it like pounded into me. Yeah. Yeah, 874 01:03:42,599 --> 01:03:45,360 well, just like I kind of feel like when we were younger, 875 01:03:45,840 --> 01:03:50,000 one of the fun things to do would be to go to an exhibit which 876 01:03:50,039 --> 01:03:52,320 was like a raw raw America exhibit, and then you could kind of like 877 01:03:52,760 --> 01:03:57,679 quietly with your friends be like, I noticed they didn't mention this, you 878 01:03:57,719 --> 01:04:00,119 know, but you're doing it on the side, right than that be the 879 01:04:00,159 --> 01:04:04,159 thing that you're kind of sniping about being like the centerpiece of the exhibit, 880 01:04:04,280 --> 01:04:09,960 which is just a really good way to ruin a country and civic health. 881 01:04:10,159 --> 01:04:12,800 I mean, yeah, I just want an honest rendering of what went on 882 01:04:13,119 --> 01:04:15,320 whatever I'm talking about, But there's no need, Yeah, there's no need 883 01:04:15,400 --> 01:04:21,400 to like accentuate always accentuate how bad people supposedly were, which reminds me quickly 884 01:04:21,440 --> 01:04:25,239 if I can mention, I've been reading a book on my phone, so 885 01:04:25,280 --> 01:04:27,599 I have different kind of like things I'm reading at the same time. But 886 01:04:27,639 --> 01:04:29,920 it's called Empire of the Summer Moon. If you heard of this book, 887 01:04:30,360 --> 01:04:32,639 yeah, yeah, So it's about the Commanche Indians and the fight against them, 888 01:04:32,679 --> 01:04:36,519 and I am really personalll izing. The book's excellent, but I'm really 889 01:04:36,559 --> 01:04:44,840 taken aback by how honest they are about how just violent and terrible the Commandchee 890 01:04:44,840 --> 01:04:47,079 Indians were this kind of thing even growing up. You would never really hear 891 01:04:47,239 --> 01:04:50,320 when I was a kid, you know. And I really recommend that book 892 01:04:50,360 --> 01:04:58,400 pretty highly if people are interested in that topic. All Right, anything else? 893 01:04:58,840 --> 01:05:01,960 You've been busy, So not a lot of movie watching? Huh, 894 01:05:02,000 --> 01:05:06,519 I'm traveling a lot. But I really hope to watch something. Actually I 895 01:05:06,599 --> 01:05:12,880 did, I did watch something. Sorry it's not. I rewatched for like 896 01:05:12,920 --> 01:05:15,639 the tenth time, My Cousin Vinnie, which I think is a really good 897 01:05:15,719 --> 01:05:18,119 film. Oh yeah, I love I rewatched that movie every time I see 898 01:05:18,119 --> 01:05:21,239 it pop up. I love it. I'm rewatching The Sopranos now. Actually 899 01:05:21,320 --> 01:05:27,280 I should say for the twelve time. Yeah. Yeah, My Cousin Vinnie 900 01:05:27,320 --> 01:05:30,920 is very funny, and it's like it's a perfect perfect I think Mursa Tomey 901 01:05:30,960 --> 01:05:33,519 won an Oscar. It's a perfect example of how you can or was nominated, 902 01:05:33,519 --> 01:05:36,000 I forget, but it's a perfect example of how you can have something 903 01:05:36,039 --> 01:05:40,199 that has wide ranging appeal, that is funny and well made, and that 904 01:05:40,280 --> 01:05:44,280 achieves what it wants to do in a really like high quality way, and 905 01:05:44,280 --> 01:05:45,559 that we can all like, you know, a lot of people can like 906 01:05:46,199 --> 01:05:50,800 and I like the weird like movies. I like them. But you can't 907 01:05:50,800 --> 01:05:56,320 have that all the time, right right, some of people want I could 908 01:05:56,320 --> 01:06:00,239 people what they want. That is the that is the that is the out 909 01:06:00,239 --> 01:06:03,159 of this podcast. Yeah, David Hersani populist. You got to give the 910 01:06:03,199 --> 01:06:09,320 people what they want. Anyway, Nice speaking to you, Molly, and 911 01:06:09,320 --> 01:06:15,159 we'll be back next week. Until them do Lovers of Freedom and Anxious for the Fray