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It's the two seventeen Recovery Podcast with
Corey Winfield. I think that's pretty fair

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for a guy once a quarter,
four times a year trim and toenails.

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If it needs to be done,
it needs to be done. I'll think

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you that you can go by the
calendar year. You probably wish I would

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because I probably maybe really do it
like twice a year. And cole holes

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Marnie Winfield, the people that really
are drawn to twelve step problem. One

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piece of those twelve step groups is
because it's people from all different varieties in

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lengths of time of sobriety. It
is Saturday, May fourth, twenty twenty

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four. My name's Corey Winfield.
My name's Marty Winfield, and this is

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the two seventeen Recovery Podcast. Apparently
my cat she's going by her that is

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tonail clippings. Yeah, she just
does not clip her toenails. Oh she

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doesn't. She refuses to. You
had a great time taking her to the

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vet yesterday. She's well, she's
gonna be she's coming up on fourteen.

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Can I just say right now,
I'm glad that we have a full almost

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twenty four hours since that experience to
talk about it. Because it was that

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upsetting what no way, way,
total total way. Yes, you want

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to talk about it, you can
no go ahead with your Let this go

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ahead, and I'm gonna hear your
story first. Okay, So you're gat

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the dramatic music, you know,
because it was nothing like that. No,

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it was. It was more if
you have like chaos, like oh

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yeah, different background music. Let's
try all right, well, so the

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lyric okay, so I'll just give
the abbreviated version. So the appointment was

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at ten thirty at the vet,
and the concern was that you had had

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and noticed her kind of being sensitive, like paying being more mindful of her,

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of her footing. If we want
to rewind back even further, let's

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go back because we held her down
and they clipped her toenails or her claws,

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whatever you want to call them.
Just call them toenails, Okay.

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I don't know, because there's like
a vein in their little paws where if

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you cut their toenail too sure,
it'll hurt them really bad. So I

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thought we did a pretty good job. But I'm not a cat nail cliper

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person, so I don't think I
did the best job. Ever. It

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was out of a ten. I
probably did a one because it was like

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hold her down, get her and
she's like ohow, and she's kind of

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a big cat. You kind of
picked like you do two nails and then

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let her go. Yeah, and
we wait, and then the next morning

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she ran on the bed and like, get her, get them nails,

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get the other two. Come on, hurry, let's go. Right.

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It was an ordeal, So I
don't think I did a very good job.

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But I noticed that she had been
limping, and she's older and we

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have many more stairs in our place
now, and I just thought she maybe

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had smart right or maybe her nails
were bugging her, and I thought we

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should probably go to the vet.
So I was like, honey, we

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need to take Nico to the vet. And you're like, O'll schedule it.

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Yeah, You're like really great about
it. And then you're like,

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I'll take her. And I was
like, oh, okay, okay,

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Yeah. I felt I was confident
about it. I've taken her before.

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I've loaded her up in the little
kiddy caddy before. She's not the easiest,

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but she can't chill. It's doable, and we've moved her when we

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moved her from Yo to because we
were in that hotel for a while before

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we found her apartment, so we've
moved her around. She's not a fan

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of vehicles. She just doesn't care
for it. She gets real sick,

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she pukes, she poops in the
carry. It's just it's not a fun

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thing for her, and she gets
real stressed out. So normally when we

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take her you have to just kind
of like see her on the bed,

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just grab her, don't say nothing
to her, and then she's she doesn't

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want to be picked up either,
So when you take her and you just

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throw it right into the carrier,
just boom boom done. No talk,

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no conversation, just do. And
when I left yesterday, I made sure

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that she was in the bedroom because
I'm like, this will be a lot

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easier. She's just in the bedroom
because we also, on top of this,

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we have Bob helping us out,
and Bob's painting some rooms in our

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home, actually all of them,
but he's doing them one at a time.

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So she doesn't also like strangers,
so she freaks out. So keep

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that in mind that she's on high
alert someone else is in the house,

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she can hear them, and so
I just shut her in the bedroom.

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I thought that's where she'll be and
then Marty can come in and take her

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and there'll be no problem. So
I'm sitting at work and I get a

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FaceTime or actually it was a call
from you saying I can't find Nico.

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I can't find your cat, and
I'm running late. I get the vet,

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like what's going on. I was
like, she's in the bedroom,

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and you're like, yeah, I
know, I didn't let her out.

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You're adamant about not letting her out, and you search the bedroom, but

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there's only so many place as a
cat and hide. And I was like,

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well, she's not in there,
like she must have got out but

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I didn't let her out. I'm
like, well she's not in there,

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like I don't know where she could
be. And I'm like, well,

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she's probably she ran downstairs. And
then I remembered a couple of weeks ago,

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sorry we got morning voice. It's
like seven point thirty in the morning.

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Here she can I remember she was
under the couch that we have in

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the Windfield Plex, which is just
next to the office down here, and

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the other cats were messing with her
and I heard her growling at him.

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I'm like, oh, so she
can fit under the couch downstairs, So

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I bet that's where she's at.
Yeah, that's where she was at,

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and then decided to move the couch
and she's just let that happen and jumped

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in your arms and said take me
to the kiddie doctor. Yeah, you

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were cracked all up until the very
last bit there. Oh okay, And

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it was exact opposite of that.
But no, So I had looked for

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her for quite some time before I
actually called you, because I was just

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like, come on, this is
ridiculous and so oh, I you know,

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I called him thinking like there might
be some some place where I'm not

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thinking of because I'm frazzled. Because
I was I was so ahead of myself

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on time that I was like doing
other things. I haven't called the vet,

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and I was like, can I
come early? I was like,

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negos, upstairs in the bedroom.
I know where the kiddy caddy's at downstairs

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in the storage room. Let's go
snag that. She's probably on the bed.

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I'm just gonna pick her up and
put her in there and we'll be

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on our way and so oh,
and then I waited to that moment,

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so I was like forty forty minutes
ahead of schedule, and I was just

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gonna go in and be early and
it didn't work out that way. So

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anyway, she was underneath not only
underneath the couch, she was in the

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lining underneath the couch. So there
was two strategically made hope, not strategically.

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They were just randomly made by our
all all or one or all of

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our casts. I'm not sure.
I couldn't blame on either one of them.

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Right how they have access to the
lining underneath, so it's not completely

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all ripped out. It's just there's
two ways to get in and out of

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this lining. And so when she
she already knew I was looking for she's

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a smart cat because I had been
down here moving things around whatever, and

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I had looked underneath the couch and
it drops down. That lining has always

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dropped down, so I don't I
just didn't see her. That's where any

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Anyway, that's where she ended up
being. I only knew that because she

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started when I started moving stuff around
big time. She was not happy about

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that, thanks for sure, like
kind of scooting the couch away from the

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wall, and you're like, she's
moving with it. Yep, because she's

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in it. She's in it,
yeah, yeah. And I shouldn't have

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told her because before I left,
I said, all right, Nico,

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you're going to go to the kiddie
doctor today. And Nico understands English,

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and I think she knows, like, oh shit, that's happening today.

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So then and the door mysteriously opened
by a demon to let her out,

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she was like, here's my chance. I gotta go hide under the couch.

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She probably ran all the way down
here and jumped in the couch.

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Yeah. And so you finally you
pull the couch out, you start trying

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to tip it over, and she
jumps out and you see her. Then

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what Then she just was like demon
kitty. I can't I can't use any

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other explanation other than that. It
was like she'd been possessed. I mean,

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she's always has a little bit of
attitude, but she's sweet to me,

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you know, But she knew what
was happening. So she was just

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like, I don't care who you
are. I'm mad and I want to

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go with you. And even before
that, before I even got her out,

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while she was in her little cave
underneath the in the lining of the

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couch underneath, and I was trying
to like I use like a vacuum extender

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to like, you know, think
I could scoot her out, and then

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she would just once she would run
out into the open space that I could

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snager, And so that pissed her
off, and so she started like batting

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and with her claws out and hissing
and groaning. And then the other two

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cats are down here quarantined because of
the painting upstairs, and so they're watching

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all of this and there, and
then they want to come to my rescue,

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especially Luna or Gray ones. She
comes over like what you why are

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you doing this to my mama?
So she starts fighting her back for like

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I think in my defense of course, and so I couldn't get her them

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separated. It was just oh my
god, and my I was having like

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my heart rate was elevated. I
was like ups hat. You know.

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I knew that I wasn't supposed to
be like moving heavy things, so I

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was trying to be strategic about that. Oh my gosh. Anyway, long

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story short is I finally got her
up the stairs twice, two or three

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times. I got her up to
the landing on the stairs, thinking this

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is gonna be a good idea to
be able to get her into the trapper

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there and well, I left it
open, I left it unzipped, and

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it was the bottom of the stairs. I left it at the bottom of

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the stairs because I knew that that
was a So I was like, my

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plan was, like you said,
just grab her by the neck if you

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can get there. I knew I
was probably gonna take some more some scratches

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along with it. Did you paint
like a sign next to it and put

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some grass over it arrow pointing into
it? Here? No? I did

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it? No, are you right? But so the last attempt, I

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literally I even told myself this,
I'm like, I'm gonna try this one

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more time and then if this doesn't
work, I'm gonna I'm gonna call him

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and cancel. O. Sorry,
we're interrupting exercise time on SNS exercise time.

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So I went up to grab her, and she scooted around me and

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angrily ran down the stairs and ironically
literally ran into the kiddy caddy. And

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I was like, what are the
chances of that. I don't know if

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that was purposeful or not. She
probably was like, you know what,

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I'll go just don't touch me.
That's what she was thinking, I know

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what you're doing. Let's friggin do
this. Yeah, that's crazy that she

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would have Yeah, it was right
down to the bottom of the stairs,

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and I had it the whole thing
open, so it wasn't just like unzipped

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halfway. It was all the way
open, like drawbridge, drawbridge, and

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then she boop ran right into it, still growling the whole time, and

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I was like, no, you're
kidding me, right, So I was

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like, zip, zip. I
wouldn't believe. I wouldn't believed. Like

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if i'd have been here, I'm
like, honey, well you'd probably got

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her, because teamwork, I think
is the key to this whole thing.

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But I would have said, honey, that there's no way in how she's

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coming down the stairs. That wasn't
even the intention. I wasn't like,

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here's an idea. If I leave
this open at the bottom of the stairs,

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she'll run into it. No,
not in a million years. That

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was that's not possible. And I'm
like, you just gotta grab her by

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her neck, pick her up and
in there. That's what the plan you

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want to do that? And then
she's like, gosh, has you hurt

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her? Yeah? So then I
put it in there, and I'm talking

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to her the whole way, and
I'm like, we're gonna talk about this

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when we get back. I expected
a full apology from you. She's pup

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and poop and everywhere. Yeah,
so but we know we made good.

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So she's old, she's not a
huge fan. But we did find out

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that she had three and three claws
that had their toes. I guess is

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what they call them is like what
our thumbs are, right, and those

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ones were grown into her pads.
Yeah, and then also one of her

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pinkies, which that said was weird
but had grown into her into her pad,

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so not very comfortable. We got
her antibiotics, they clipped them all

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and then I said, how do
we what's the plan here? Like,

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how do we talk to her about
her toail up cheap? Right? And

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as parents of animals, obviously you
have to take that responsibility. If you're

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not capable or willing to do it
yourself, then you need to figure out

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who will do it for you or
how you'll pay you know, and it

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can it's expensive. I mean,
if you feel like you're not you can't

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do it. There's groomors that will
do it, or you can make an

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appointment with your vet, but that's
gonna end up being costly. You gotta

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track the cat down. Yeah,
So no, I wonder if we could

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buy because the little man, if
you can hear, he's working out on

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his exercise wheel. I wonder if
we could buy something like that but with

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like sandpaper, yeah, or something
where they walk on it and it just

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they would not they wouldn't do it, wouldn't walk on it, they wouldn't

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do it. Can we file them? Like, what's the easiest way?

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I think that we just need to
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one or two we need to or
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I don't know. If we feel
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gonna have to take her to pet
Smarter where we can do it. It's

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just I don't know that I'm good
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her more pain. But if again, if it's she's in all this pain.

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this once a month and it's probably
not a bad thing some cats, I

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get. I guess if you do
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it. Yeah, And so It's
not a don't touch me kind of thing.

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It's like, hey, all right, we're doing maneos today. Not

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a big deal. Sure, yeah, because they have those cat caps,

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those claws caps that you can put
on cats, which I don't even see

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us. I don't see how that
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So you glue them on. Yeah, that's okay, good luck.

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cat just sitting on her lap.
I'm like, there's no way in l

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our cats would allow that. No. Wow. So it's just we just

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have to upkeep and we have to
just get more comfortable doing it. Yeah.

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Would you have done that sober?
No? Absolutely not. You probably

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get in here. Nope, not
have Okay, never mind, be like,

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she's got an attitude. And when
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she was younger, she never did
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like, is she not doing enough
scratch him? Yeah, it's that.

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the scratchy posts. That's why I
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find I mean, people who have
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while you'll find like a claw,
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they'll kind of like gnaw off,
like chew them off, like by my

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toenails or like like your nails.
Yeah, well I'll look on Amazon or

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the internet and see if there's any
kind of like trick stuff we can do,

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so that way I can be lazy
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on her, like knock her out. Clip your nails responsibly. That's that's

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everybody knows that. Yeah, you're
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it's your fault. Yeah, but
these are I mean, these are the

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like I mean, I don't want
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was a lot of excitement. It
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to do when you're nine months pregnant. Yeah, exactly chased. And I

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was literally up and down these stairs, three flights of stairs, I can

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ask Bob, And to God,
I was up and down these stairs like

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fifteen times, and Bob tipped us
off because you were going floor by floor

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after I'm like, well, she's
not in the bedroom, and you're like,

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I've looked everywhere, but I didn't
let her out, So I don't

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know how she got transported down to
the basement. But so you checked the

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middle floor first, and that's when
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her in here a little bit ago. Not it was I saw her,

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and You're like where, and he
was like, in here? Yeah,

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Well she wouldn't have been in here. And when I rewound in my head

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it was because we were getting some
other We're getting all different kinds of stuff

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fixed and patched up, and and
I had apparently my guess is is that

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when I was in that bedroom for
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I was showing him the it's part
of a fan that's in our room,

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and she probably did not like hearing
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so she probably bolted and I didn't
see it. So so you were right

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that she had gotten out. But
then I was like, did I let

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her rocks? I did go up
and change shirts. I'm like no,

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because I remember telling her she's just
going to the kidney doctor today, which

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I probably shouldn't have. She really
does understand that. Like if I tell

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her to get up, she gets
up, you know. Like I mean,

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if I say go to mommy,
go to Mama's spot, she goes

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to mama spot. You know,
she really does understand what we're saying.

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And she's had enough bad experiences with
and they're not really bad experience. The

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car ride is what she absolutely hates. Yeah, when you get her to

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the kiddie doctor, she's cool,
but that all right, she just hates

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it. She gets so nauseous and
sick. It's just it's just not fun

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for her. So when I say
kitty doctor, I know that she puts

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two and two together and it's like, oh shit, like that's happening today.

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And I'm serious, I shouldn't have
because I think that, like I

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said earlier, if you just walk
in grab her, she doesn't know what's

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going on, throw her in there. She's like, oh shit, oh

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no, we're going somewhere. Yeah, the time she realizes that it's too

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late, but you give her some
warning, she'll be hiding and getting all

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hostile and yeah, but they're they're
all doing a lot better with a kind

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of disarray that is our home right
now, just because we have to.

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And you know, yeah, let's
let's talk about that for a minut.

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Let's talk about Bob Bob. And
now we found Bob. We I don't

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know how or what, but I
was sent this link to get on this

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site called hold on. I should
probly figure out what It's called first neighbors

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or something next door next door and
it's like Facebook for old people, which

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I guess Facebook is for old people, so this is really confused, but

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it's for like neighborhood people, and
so I joined it. I was like

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why not? And then I would
see like, hey, there's a sasquatch

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over here. We spotted one over
here, and there's a bear on Spring

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Road. And I'm like, oh
shit, okay, this could be helpful.

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And we were like, man,
we got to find some painters because

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we wanted to fix some things before
Parker comes. And he's coming very very

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soon. Yes, and what do
we do? And I say, ah,

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I did see somebody on there saying
like beware scam artists, beware of

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this guy. Don't let him do
asphalt. And there are other people on

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there, like I paint doors and
whatever. I mean, they put whatever

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on there, probably something better than
I paint doors, but I'm just saying.

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That came to my mind. So
I was like, cool, So

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I jumped on there and I posted, Hey, looking for a painter,

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looking for some of you, you
know, some odds and ends up before

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the baby comes, and some people
responded, and one of the first people

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to respond was Bob and he's like
fifty years experience, not a not a

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painting. I'm like, okay,
cool, that's what I want. And

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I could tell that just by looking
online about how to hire a painter,

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and that experience is huge. You
know. We had one guy and it

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didn't really work out. We had
n't paint one room at first, and

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that's when we started looking for others. But if somebody has that much time,

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that much experience, they're they're worth
every penny, you know, even

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if they charge more, you know, they're like okay. So I just

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seeing that, I was like,
all right, cool that this guy's he's

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semi retired. We found out later
he's fully retired, but that's cool,

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you know, I mean, he
still does that, so I guess he's

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not fully retired because he's painting our
house for money, and that's that's a

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job, that's what he does.
But as far as like the nine to

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five whatever, yeah, he's not
doing that anymore. So saw him,

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I'm like, all right, cool. And then this other guy rode down

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there too, and a couple other
people, and some of them didn't have

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websites. Some of them had zero
pictures of what they've done, and I

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didn't feel comfortable with that. And
then I started looking at their phone numbers,

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and there was Bob's phone number,
which was ended into zero one seven.

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Obviously the two, the one,
and the seven stood out, and

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I thought, haha, I think
I might even said something like, honey,

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this is probably our guy because he's
got to seventeen thing that his phone

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work. And I look at another
guy's and his was zero two one seven.

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I thought, well, maybe this
is the guy, you know clearly.

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So I eliminated everybody else and just
focused on the two seventeens. And

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so we get the other guy,
and he he actually came first to give

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us an estimate, and every time
we were like and then this wall,

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and he'd like roll his eyes like, oh that wall too, and you

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want the basement done and the bathroom. Oh, he's just hold on,

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let me just draw some sketches here, and I'm gonna have my son with

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me and maybe a couple of his
friends in the whole neighborhood, and who

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knows how many people are gonna come
in your house and we're gonna all do

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it all at once. And I'm
like, oh my god, this is

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crazy. And then he gave us
a quote for eighteen thousand million dollars and

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we were like whoa, Like,
we don't have eighteen thousand million dollars and

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I thought maybe he just outpriced it. And then he like wrote me back,

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hey man, you you checked my
beard. And he's like, I

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want half before I even start the
job. And when I knock on your

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door that day I start my job, I want to make sure I have

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the other quarter, so that way
I have three quarters of the monies.

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And then I'm thinking, like,
what is the limit to small claims court?

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Because this is a guy. He
didn't have website. He just gave

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me a business card and it says
licensed. I'm like, yeah, that

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doesn't doesn't help me. You don't
have a website, You know, have

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pictures of any of your work,
Like, are you a scam artist?

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Are you charging people enough? That
way? You get three quarters of the

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eighteen million, thousand dollars and we
can't even take you to small claims.

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You got to go hire a lawyer
and do all this other stuff, which

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is gonna cost us more money in
the end. So like you hit that

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happy medium to where you just walk
away. You're like, well, I

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lost all that money because I have
spend more than that to get a lawyer

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to get that back. So it
wouldn't even be worth it because there are

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scam artists out there, and I
don't know. I didn't didn't like his

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rolling of the eyes and just like, oh, then you're gonna have me

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do that. So he's exaggerating.
No I am not, not not one

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bit some people, but it overall
we should have. Yeah, it just

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didn't make sense in a lot of
different ways. Yeah sounds and then Bob

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hit me back, and then I
was like, whon't you come give us

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an estimate, and and Bob's approaches. Look, man, I'm retired.

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I do this on the side,
you know, some extra income so me

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and my wife can live comfortably and
I can paint all this for you.

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I can do this, I can
do that. I can do that.

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I'll throw on the trim. I
do that for freedom matter. Blah blah

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blah. And he give us a
quote which was not eighteen thousand million dollars.

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So we were like, huh,
that's right where we wanted to be

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with our quote. And I was
like, looking, I'm gonna come maybe

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do this that day. And that
day, you know, I don't work

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all day, you know, like
seven to noon, seven to one.

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And that was that was more our
pace too. But now when you know,

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when then once you get into it, and he's doing a great job.

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He really is. And once you
get into it, then he's like,

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okay, they got painting tarps on
the floor, and but hey,

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we're getting it done and it's worth
it. And Bob's great. And he

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said to me too, when he
came to do the quote and to kind

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of look over the job, I
was wearing my sober sweatshirt. He's like,

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I like your sweatshirt. He's like, are you sober? I was

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like, well, actually, I'm
in recovery. He's like, oh,

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me too, like fifty years or
something, you know, and it's like,

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oh, well cool. You know, so that's another sign. And

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you know, we talk quite a
bit. We were talking the other morning

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for like an hour, and you're
like, why don't you just go get

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the microphones turn those on? Sure, I want you. Okay, that's

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a cory thing. Let's go check
it out. Check it out, Bob

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to go check a color. And
three hours later we are back from checking

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a color. How's it going.
Marnie's going good. Someone listening in real

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time is probably like, what yeah, that, Yeah, let's replay that.

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Bob yelled down, Hey guys,
I want you to come check a

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color, and it's a good thing
he did. And earlier I was talking

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about fifty years experience, and I
think this came into play. I did

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because there was a color that I
wanted to pick out, and there's an

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app through Sherman William's website which looks
nothing like the actual color that's going on

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your wall, so it's pretty pointless
to use it. And I had a

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hard time finding a color, and
I picked out Armory, which was like

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a really dark gray, and their
website and app which really is like a

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really dark brown, nothing like I
wanted, and Bob having this experience is

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like, I'm gonna ask him before
I paint this bathroom. I'll pull a

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little bit on the wall to see
if they agree. And we went up

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there and I said, no,
it's not what I want. I don't

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want a dark brown. I wanted
a gray. Yeah, So off to

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home Deep. No. First off
to Sherman Williams. I go in the

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new color I picked out. It
was called city Scape. That's gonna be

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my bathroom. And we had network
gray that we did our bedroom in.

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So if you want to go see
what colors that Marnie and Corey's house is

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going to be there, you go. And then agreeable gray is coming soon

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for the kitchen and downstairs, but
in the office. But yeah, so

406
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I went and got that, came
back, and then you were like,

407
00:26:52.160 --> 00:26:56.240
all right, we got to go
to home Depot because not only is Bob

408
00:26:56.279 --> 00:26:59.920
here, but we have a guy
named Mitchell here and he's fixing the dry

409
00:27:00.079 --> 00:27:03.359
wall because the people that had lived
here before us. I think this is

410
00:27:03.359 --> 00:27:07.279
a mistake I could have made if
I wanted to hang some candles like a

411
00:27:07.319 --> 00:27:15.559
candle holder up and they drilled straight
into the pipe that runs water down from

412
00:27:15.559 --> 00:27:18.559
the upstairs to the Yeah, so
when you remove the screw on that,

413
00:27:19.000 --> 00:27:26.680
it causes the leak, which caused
our drywall to be so we had to

414
00:27:26.720 --> 00:27:30.200
replace that. So that's what Mitchell's
here is doing. And so I get

415
00:27:30.240 --> 00:27:32.799
back and it's like, oh,
now we're going to go because not only

416
00:27:32.799 --> 00:27:36.720
did the people who lived here before
us not watch any Bob Viler shows or

417
00:27:37.200 --> 00:27:41.119
know how to hook up YouTube anything, they just took a hacksaw or I

418
00:27:41.160 --> 00:27:45.160
think maybe it was a hatchet to
the ceiling where they wanted to put a

419
00:27:45.200 --> 00:27:49.359
ceiling fan in there, just like, well, that's good. And so

420
00:27:49.440 --> 00:27:53.880
there's this really weird, big asshole
that when we opened the door to the

421
00:27:53.920 --> 00:28:02.759
bedroom, the suction like starts droppingslation
from the ceiling and we haven't really shut

422
00:28:02.799 --> 00:28:04.799
that door offten so like it's just
no need for us to realize this until

423
00:28:04.839 --> 00:28:07.480
now. And it's just like what
took the fan down? And we see

424
00:28:07.519 --> 00:28:12.079
this like like they're trying to escape
from prison or something like I don't even

425
00:28:12.200 --> 00:28:15.720
I don't even know like it's happening. I just think what we're gonna find

426
00:28:15.759 --> 00:28:19.279
in the future, Like it's it's
this house is so much fun. I

427
00:28:19.319 --> 00:28:23.720
love it it's it's like, but
the thing is too is it's like,

428
00:28:23.759 --> 00:28:29.079
we want to make it better to
know this stuff now right, so to

429
00:28:29.119 --> 00:28:30.440
get it done right, get stuff
repaired, and get it done right.

430
00:28:30.480 --> 00:28:36.559
And we've had really good luck,
I think, coming across you know,

431
00:28:37.079 --> 00:28:38.519
the people that we need to be
able to do the jobs that we need

432
00:28:38.559 --> 00:28:42.400
to keep everything moving forward. God, we're not going to know what to

433
00:28:42.440 --> 00:28:48.359
do with ourselves when you're like everything's
done, we'll have a baby. I

434
00:28:48.400 --> 00:28:51.680
think we'll be pretty busy. But
yeah, and it's just one of those

435
00:28:51.680 --> 00:28:53.279
things. But I'm glad that Bob
did check with us, and I think

436
00:28:53.319 --> 00:28:56.920
again, that's his experience that he
knows, you know, this color.

437
00:28:57.000 --> 00:29:00.160
I don't know if this is what
they wanted, So let me go not

438
00:29:00.240 --> 00:29:03.160
and ask him real quick and yeah, yeah, three hours later we're back,

439
00:29:03.599 --> 00:29:07.000
which if you're listening now, he
didn't even miss anything. And the

440
00:29:07.200 --> 00:29:12.319
awesome thing is, I mean,
on top of the fact of his knowledge

441
00:29:12.319 --> 00:29:17.480
and experience with the painting stuff,
is Bob is also a person in recovery.

442
00:29:17.519 --> 00:29:22.200
He's very proud of it, and
so we chitchat about that quite a

443
00:29:22.200 --> 00:29:30.279
bit and he's really supportive, like
very kind of vocal about like what we

444
00:29:30.319 --> 00:29:34.319
do is to seventeen recovery, right, and like you know, finding events

445
00:29:34.359 --> 00:29:38.359
to do with people that show them
you can have fun and recovery. It's

446
00:29:38.359 --> 00:29:41.160
cool to be sober, Like there
are things to do, there are places

447
00:29:41.200 --> 00:29:45.240
to go, you know, these
are these are experiences that you can have

448
00:29:45.200 --> 00:29:52.240
without using alcohol or drugs. And
it's so nice when you have somebody like

449
00:29:52.279 --> 00:29:56.839
we didn't seek him out for that
reason. Obviously, it just happened.

450
00:29:56.119 --> 00:30:00.160
Yeah, it just happened to be
the ye and next thing, you know,

451
00:30:00.279 --> 00:30:03.559
I mean, it's a person in
the fellowship that's just like you know,

452
00:30:06.480 --> 00:30:10.200
like there are people and they get
it, you know, and it's

453
00:30:10.279 --> 00:30:12.680
just really it's really cool to have
that connection. Yeah, he's funny.

454
00:30:12.759 --> 00:30:17.920
He's like, we could do a
golf we can go golfing. And I'm

455
00:30:17.920 --> 00:30:19.839
like, that would be kind of
a fun little event if you took people

456
00:30:19.880 --> 00:30:23.000
golfing and just did some sober golfing
out there, that would be fun.

457
00:30:23.680 --> 00:30:26.640
He's like, yeah, if you
know, they know how to skate,

458
00:30:26.680 --> 00:30:30.160
we can go skating and do some
hockey. You know, Bob, you're

459
00:30:30.160 --> 00:30:34.960
eighty. Hey it's a young eighty. Yeah. I didn't know he was

460
00:30:36.000 --> 00:30:37.440
eighty until the other day. I
was complaining because I had slept on my

461
00:30:37.559 --> 00:30:41.160
arm wrong again or something. I'm
like, oh, I'm so old,

462
00:30:41.319 --> 00:30:45.200
like I'll just sleep hurting me and
he's like, yeah, my shoulder was

463
00:30:45.240 --> 00:30:48.319
a little bit. I still think
you should say you have them on the

464
00:30:48.359 --> 00:30:52.400
podcast. I'm painting your house.
I'm actually doing work, not just complaining

465
00:30:52.400 --> 00:30:56.119
about how I slept wrong. I
was like, hold on. He asked

466
00:30:56.119 --> 00:30:56.799
me how old I was. I
was like forty five and he's like,

467
00:30:56.839 --> 00:31:02.200
oh, seventy nine. I was
like, I really shouldn't be complaining about

468
00:31:02.200 --> 00:31:06.400
how I slept wrong and it was
hard to get up and go this morning.

469
00:31:07.440 --> 00:31:11.519
He's like, actually doing work and
bending our house and yeah, he's

470
00:31:11.759 --> 00:31:14.960
a cool dude, and yeah,
I will have him on the podcast at

471
00:31:14.960 --> 00:31:18.680
some point, because, like you
said the other day where we started going

472
00:31:18.720 --> 00:31:21.200
with this, as you came down
and you're like, you just need to

473
00:31:21.200 --> 00:31:22.720
get some microphones up here. Let
me just bring some microphones up He's like,

474
00:31:22.759 --> 00:31:26.480
this is a podcast. I think
you're being sarcastic because I was being

475
00:31:26.559 --> 00:31:32.680
serious. Well, I wasn't being
serious about bringing up microphones to that moment.

476
00:31:32.880 --> 00:31:34.160
Is the whole time I was listening
to you guys talk. I was

477
00:31:34.839 --> 00:31:40.240
essentially just like, this would be
a great podcast. Yeah, but we'll

478
00:31:40.240 --> 00:31:42.720
have Bob on for sure, and
I think that'll be fun and interesting.

479
00:31:42.759 --> 00:31:45.599
And there's some of the stories he
tells, and you know, he's been

480
00:31:45.599 --> 00:31:49.559
sober for a while, but he
went through it and went to treatment even

481
00:31:49.640 --> 00:31:53.759
and you know, it came to
a point where he was like Noah,

482
00:31:55.319 --> 00:31:57.160
And I know his wife, I
think had a big part to do with

483
00:31:57.200 --> 00:32:00.519
that, with just his marriage.
And it's not that he did it for

484
00:32:00.559 --> 00:32:05.160
his wife, but he did it
because he didn't want to lose that marriage.

485
00:32:05.400 --> 00:32:07.680
Yeah, I think. I think
it's also interesting too, is like

486
00:32:08.039 --> 00:32:14.160
when people will reflect on, especially
people with a lot of sobriety will reflect

487
00:32:14.240 --> 00:32:16.240
on. They'll be telling stories about
their past and they'll be like, those

488
00:32:16.240 --> 00:32:21.000
are the days that I was drinking, And all it is is basically how

489
00:32:21.880 --> 00:32:27.319
much more difficult it was to do
essentially everything right or where they or a

490
00:32:27.359 --> 00:32:30.200
place in their life where they were
at where things weren't making sense and things

491
00:32:30.200 --> 00:32:37.480
were you know, maybe not even
necessarily at their bottom, but just they

492
00:32:37.480 --> 00:32:40.680
had it was struggle. It was
a struggle to do to live right because

493
00:32:40.759 --> 00:32:46.119
and things were dysfunctional, and relationships
were dysfunctional, and relationships with their with

494
00:32:46.279 --> 00:32:51.160
children or with spouses, and to
have people reflect on that, and it's

495
00:32:51.200 --> 00:32:54.720
almost interesting to see how because a
lot of the people that have as much

496
00:32:54.759 --> 00:33:00.039
sobriety as like he does, they
don't made me necessarily think about it a

497
00:33:00.160 --> 00:33:04.960
daily basis because it's been so long, and I can imagine that that would

498
00:33:05.279 --> 00:33:08.880
will probably end up happening a little
bit, maybe for us somewhat. But

499
00:33:08.960 --> 00:33:15.039
it's like almost like these chapters of
life ago where it's hard to remember how

500
00:33:15.599 --> 00:33:20.400
you know how bad things were until
you actually have a conversation with somebody like

501
00:33:20.519 --> 00:33:24.000
us where we're kind of new and
fresh in it and talking about what we

502
00:33:24.079 --> 00:33:29.599
do and why we do it,
and it takes them back to yeah,

503
00:33:29.759 --> 00:33:32.880
like that was that was I had
to go through that. So that's it's

504
00:33:32.880 --> 00:33:37.319
really interesting. Yeah. I don't
think Bob, this is just me speaking

505
00:33:37.319 --> 00:33:40.599
for him. I don't think he
forgets any of it, because he's quick

506
00:33:40.640 --> 00:33:45.640
to say, yep, I remember, because we were talking about blackouts and

507
00:33:45.680 --> 00:33:51.440
he said that he remembered all the
time coming to right was vehicles about to

508
00:33:51.519 --> 00:33:54.119
roll, and he's just like,
what the hell you know, so like

509
00:33:54.200 --> 00:33:59.480
he can relate to that and remember
that just like it was yesterday, amast.

510
00:33:59.519 --> 00:34:02.880
So there's some things that I know
that we'll never I'll never forget,

511
00:34:02.920 --> 00:34:05.880
You'll never forget. And people say, well, the more time you have

512
00:34:05.920 --> 00:34:08.840
a way, No, no,
I'll never forget it. I don't.

513
00:34:09.639 --> 00:34:15.880
I'm not seeing necessarily forget it.
But we don't rehatch it like you don't

514
00:34:16.840 --> 00:34:21.000
have it in regular conversation, you
know what I mean. It's not something

515
00:34:21.039 --> 00:34:25.159
that's at the top of your head
right until you actually are having a conversation

516
00:34:25.239 --> 00:34:30.079
about but which we have those conversations
all the time because that's what we do,

517
00:34:30.039 --> 00:34:34.519
you know, we help people who
are in all different varieties of or

518
00:34:34.840 --> 00:34:38.719
types times of sobriety. But yeah, we'll have Bob on at some point,

519
00:34:39.079 --> 00:34:44.679
okay, yeah, just get me
pulse it. And speaking of having

520
00:34:44.679 --> 00:34:47.880
people on, aren't you supposed to
do a podcast with a woman? I

521
00:34:47.920 --> 00:34:52.440
have not revisited that, but yes, at some point, I'm kind of

522
00:34:52.920 --> 00:34:59.000
We've had a lot going on,
but and I'm trying to wrap up my

523
00:34:59.119 --> 00:35:05.639
work stuff two with baby coming,
so but yeah, it's on my agenda.

524
00:35:05.960 --> 00:35:08.400
I'll do it. YEA. His
due date's May twenty sixth, but

525
00:35:08.679 --> 00:35:13.960
he will be coming before then.
That's what I'm going to say, says,

526
00:35:14.079 --> 00:35:16.079
So says your magic a ball.
Here's the thing about the magic a

527
00:35:16.199 --> 00:35:21.360
ball. I asked him. It's
a lil Parker. When when do you

528
00:35:21.360 --> 00:35:23.119
want to be born? When you're
coming out? In? May eighth popped

529
00:35:23.119 --> 00:35:28.800
in my head. May It's like
it was, which is like tomorrow seems

530
00:35:28.840 --> 00:35:31.079
like, well, it'll be this
coming Wednesday, but that I don't know

531
00:35:31.119 --> 00:35:35.679
why. There's nothing special about that
day for me. It just May eight

532
00:35:35.719 --> 00:35:37.760
boom. I was like, Okay, cool, I'll plan on that.

533
00:35:37.679 --> 00:35:44.159
And maybe it was some telepathic like
psychic I don't know, or maybe I'm

534
00:35:44.199 --> 00:35:51.320
just crazy about that. We're going
to find out. But he will come

535
00:35:51.360 --> 00:35:55.440
when he's ready to come. Yeah, but I will guarantee you before the

536
00:35:55.440 --> 00:36:00.239
twenty sixth. Yeah. So if
you're birthday was the twenty six you're like,

537
00:36:00.280 --> 00:36:02.360
I want to be born on my
birthday. It's not gonna happen.

538
00:36:05.119 --> 00:36:07.880
Sorry, just not. It's a
beautiful day outside it is, and we're

539
00:36:07.880 --> 00:36:12.400
going to go mushroom hunting in our
backyard and we're gonna put up deer feed.

540
00:36:12.599 --> 00:36:15.559
Did you know which I didn't even
neither did you, Marty, of

541
00:36:15.599 --> 00:36:19.159
course I did that. It is
illegal in Michigan to put out a deer

542
00:36:19.199 --> 00:36:23.079
lick. I know you're thinking I
can buy them at the store. We

543
00:36:23.079 --> 00:36:25.840
thought we were done of the days
of doing illegal things. Yep, you

544
00:36:25.840 --> 00:36:30.000
can sell them and you can buy
them, you just can't put them out.

545
00:36:30.159 --> 00:36:34.559
We were so confused. We went
to Jay's Sporting Goods to get some

546
00:36:34.599 --> 00:36:37.440
fishing gear and they donated a little
something to us for two seventeen's fishing outing

547
00:36:37.440 --> 00:36:43.320
that's coming up in June. And
you were like, oh, let's go

548
00:36:43.400 --> 00:36:45.920
get some stuff for the deer,
because we have deer that run through our

549
00:36:45.079 --> 00:36:49.599
backyard. You want to call it
a backyard, I don't know. It's

550
00:36:50.360 --> 00:36:52.840
behind our house, so little big
grass back there in some woods, but

551
00:36:53.719 --> 00:36:59.440
there's some deer that pop out from
time to time. And last fall allegedly

552
00:37:00.119 --> 00:37:04.559
we put out a We allegedly put
out a salt lick that we had maybe

553
00:37:04.679 --> 00:37:08.239
bought from mere and you asked for
that and they're like, whoa, what

554
00:37:08.280 --> 00:37:10.079
are you doing. They're like,
wean't put it in our back yard and

555
00:37:10.079 --> 00:37:14.719
he's like, no, that's illegal. You're like, well, why do

556
00:37:14.800 --> 00:37:17.920
they sell The story yeah, I
know, it's just illegal because mad deer

557
00:37:17.920 --> 00:37:22.039
disease or something crazy cow disease for
deer. I forget the name of what

558
00:37:22.079 --> 00:37:25.400
they called it, but essentially it's
the same type of thing. It's like

559
00:37:28.440 --> 00:37:35.199
a bone degenerative disease. Yeah,
wasted away deer disease. Yeah. It

560
00:37:35.199 --> 00:37:39.239
basically says that if, for whatever
reason a disease, a disease, deer

561
00:37:40.599 --> 00:37:45.800
obviously uses the salt, lick or
eats off of the you know, whatever

562
00:37:45.840 --> 00:37:47.599
it is that you're putting out there
that attracts the deer, then multiple deer

563
00:37:47.679 --> 00:37:52.159
can look off the same and it
attract deer from like because Michigan deer are

564
00:37:52.199 --> 00:37:55.519
straight. But it's like the Michigan
the other deer from like Indiana and the

565
00:37:55.519 --> 00:38:02.880
ones that boat over from Wisconsin,
those deer could be degenerative deer disease deer.

566
00:38:04.719 --> 00:38:07.599
So those deer we don't want in
our backyard. But apparently if we

567
00:38:07.599 --> 00:38:09.280
put a salt look out there,
they're all going to come here, and

568
00:38:09.320 --> 00:38:13.719
we definitely don't want any Ohio deer. Well, I mean, I'm telling

569
00:38:13.719 --> 00:38:15.599
you that thing was gone in like
two days. Yeah, and it wasn't

570
00:38:15.639 --> 00:38:21.840
just salt, it was like grain
and apples smelled like apples. I don't

571
00:38:21.880 --> 00:38:25.320
know. It was fun to have. It was almost like cat treats to

572
00:38:25.400 --> 00:38:29.840
cat. I had to like sneak
it out back. He just drop it

573
00:38:29.840 --> 00:38:31.480
out there like I didn't do nothing. I just kind of kicked it down

574
00:38:31.559 --> 00:38:36.679
the hill a little bit. But
this is legit. This is just like

575
00:38:36.880 --> 00:38:39.480
this. We bought seed that is. And he called it the gentleman called

576
00:38:39.519 --> 00:38:45.559
it. He called it a plot, his growing plot or something. Yeah,

577
00:38:45.800 --> 00:38:52.239
and he said it's so he can
view the view nature is the deer

578
00:38:52.280 --> 00:38:54.320
in nature, and it's not because
we're trying to track them down. Just

579
00:38:54.320 --> 00:38:59.079
shoot, didn't he say it looked
like a golf course or something. I

580
00:39:00.079 --> 00:39:01.480
think he was going too far with
it, like we're already going to buy

581
00:39:01.480 --> 00:39:04.920
it, dude, you know,
just sell it to anymore. But we're

582
00:39:04.960 --> 00:39:07.480
like right now we just are looking
at like pine needles and or leaves and

583
00:39:07.719 --> 00:39:13.639
uh, you know. And I
think he underestimated how much I didn't want

584
00:39:13.639 --> 00:39:16.039
to work out there because I was
like, so I'm just taking just throw

585
00:39:16.119 --> 00:39:17.960
some in the woods and it'll grow. And he's like, well, you're

586
00:39:17.960 --> 00:39:22.159
gonna want to grab a rake and
kind of move it around and I'm like,

587
00:39:22.199 --> 00:39:23.800
well, what kind can we just
like throw out in the woods and

588
00:39:23.840 --> 00:39:25.679
it will be good. And he's
like, well, you're gonna have to

589
00:39:25.760 --> 00:39:30.199
kind of break the break the top
soil a little bit. That's fine.

590
00:39:31.079 --> 00:39:35.840
So we bought a rake and it's
going to be a project. So we're

591
00:39:35.840 --> 00:39:37.320
gonna do that and then maybe look
for some more else out in the woods

592
00:39:37.880 --> 00:39:44.840
in our house. Well, Bob
and Mitchell work on our house and it's

593
00:39:44.840 --> 00:39:47.360
a good thing, man, it's
pretty cool. On the drive to go

594
00:39:47.800 --> 00:39:52.239
buy supplies, it's like, yeah, because we had to go back to

595
00:39:52.239 --> 00:39:55.159
find this goofy thing. It's called
goofy or goofer. It was called a

596
00:39:55.199 --> 00:40:01.480
goof ring, Yeah, goof ring
when I googled like fi or filler around

597
00:40:01.559 --> 00:40:06.199
light fixture or something, and it
ended up that's what it popped up with

598
00:40:06.920 --> 00:40:14.960
googled it. But come to find
out it's called a ceiling molding no medallions

599
00:40:15.000 --> 00:40:20.880
cling ceiling medallion. So it's a
fancy piece of literally just plastic. Yeah,

600
00:40:20.920 --> 00:40:23.920
that goes in between the ceiling fan
and the yeah, the ceiling.

601
00:40:24.039 --> 00:40:30.119
So I mean somebody somewhere's making a
pretty penny off of it. Is cost

602
00:40:30.199 --> 00:40:31.920
to make that and what they sell
it for because people who try to cut

603
00:40:31.960 --> 00:40:37.280
up their ceiling with a hacksaw,
it doesn't doo good. There's a whole

604
00:40:37.599 --> 00:40:39.400
bunch of people that make a ton
of money off people that just are like

605
00:40:39.559 --> 00:40:44.360
lazy and not good at what they
do. On the way there, I

606
00:40:44.440 --> 00:40:46.960
look over to you and it is
like, can you believe like we can

607
00:40:47.039 --> 00:40:50.760
do this and that we're doing this
now? And there was a time when

608
00:40:50.760 --> 00:40:52.920
we were like, how we're going
to pay all rent? You know,

609
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like, but they're not splurge on
McDonald We didn't really go to McDonald's.

610
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But you know what I'm saying.
Yeah, And now it's just kind of

611
00:41:00.880 --> 00:41:05.079
like things are just falling into place. You know, you finish school to

612
00:41:05.239 --> 00:41:08.760
seventeen, recoveries doing well. You
know, like we're employing people, you

613
00:41:08.800 --> 00:41:14.079
know, like we're helping the community, we're helping the economy. Yeah,

614
00:41:14.119 --> 00:41:16.880
and we're sober and we're smiling,
we're having fun. We actually have a

615
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future. It's just it's an amazing
thing. And for people who are younger

616
00:41:22.960 --> 00:41:25.119
who are turning around. I know
there's this man a little bit downstate.

617
00:41:25.360 --> 00:41:29.639
His name is Jonathan, and he's
doing well, and you know see people

618
00:41:29.719 --> 00:41:32.159
like him who are younger than us, and it's like, dude, you

619
00:41:32.199 --> 00:41:36.920
save yourself so much misery, Like
you trust me, you're not missing out

620
00:41:36.960 --> 00:41:39.519
on anything, right, you know. And he's at that point now too,

621
00:41:39.519 --> 00:41:42.480
where he would probably be like,
yeah, no, I'm good on

622
00:41:42.880 --> 00:41:46.079
drinking. No thanks, been there, done that. But others fight it,

623
00:41:46.400 --> 00:41:50.519
fight it for so long and so
hard, and then you get to

624
00:41:50.559 --> 00:41:52.039
a point you're like, why did
I fight that so hard? Yeah?

625
00:41:52.079 --> 00:41:54.360
You know. But for the younger
people who have gotten it and turned it

626
00:41:54.440 --> 00:41:57.960
around. There's another guy named Andrew
who's kind of doing the same thing,

627
00:41:58.000 --> 00:42:00.400
and it's like, good for you
guys, man, like, don't give

628
00:42:00.400 --> 00:42:04.679
in to peer pressure of well we
can No, No, I just don't

629
00:42:04.679 --> 00:42:07.559
want to. It does nothing good
for me in my life, right,

630
00:42:07.280 --> 00:42:09.480
you know. To be at that
point in life at such a young age,

631
00:42:09.519 --> 00:42:13.119
you guys are blessed. You guys
are lucky. You really are.

632
00:42:13.199 --> 00:42:16.159
And I'm proud of the younger generation
for doing that. Yeah. No,

633
00:42:16.559 --> 00:42:21.400
props to y'all for a lot of
people make fun of you because your choice

634
00:42:21.440 --> 00:42:25.079
of clothing and music, but hey, I'm proud of you for your choice

635
00:42:25.119 --> 00:42:29.559
of saying nah, it's I'm gonna
change my life for the better. Yeah.

636
00:42:29.679 --> 00:42:32.400
Anyway, let's go look for mushrooms
and get deer ready to be fed.

637
00:42:32.599 --> 00:42:36.880
All right, let's do it.
But thanks again for listening to seventeen

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