WEBVTT 1 00:00:28.640 --> 00:00:33.119 Welcome back to the Path went Chile. I'm Robin, I'm Jules, and 2 00:00:33.359 --> 00:00:40.000 I'm Ashley. Let's dive right into this week's case. October sixteenth, nineteen 3 00:00:40.039 --> 00:00:45.560 eighty seven, Indiana, Pennsylvania. Jack Davis Junior, a twenty year old 4 00:00:45.600 --> 00:00:51.520 sophomore at Indiana University of Pennsylvania, fence the night partying and drinking with members 5 00:00:51.520 --> 00:00:56.479 of his fraternity, but never returns to his apartment. Five days later, 6 00:00:57.039 --> 00:01:00.000 Jack's body is found at the bottom of an exterior stare well on campus, 7 00:01:00.520 --> 00:01:06.079 and the county coroner concludes that he passed out there well intoxicated and choked to 8 00:01:06.120 --> 00:01:10.159 death on his own vombit. However, there are a number of discrepancies which 9 00:01:10.239 --> 00:01:15.000 makes Jack's family suspect his body was placed in the stairwell after he died, 10 00:01:15.319 --> 00:01:21.000 and the investigation is eventually reopened. When Jack's body is exhumed, a number 11 00:01:21.040 --> 00:01:26.200 of unexplained fractures are discovered on his skull, but the actual circumstances of how 12 00:01:26.280 --> 00:01:32.359 Jack died remain unclear. After that, the path went chilly, So today 13 00:01:32.359 --> 00:01:36.079 we're going to be exploring an odd case involved a university student, which was 14 00:01:36.120 --> 00:01:41.640 featured on Unsolved Mysteries he unexplained nineteen eighty seven death of Jack Davis Junior. 15 00:01:42.519 --> 00:01:47.439 Jack was a sophomore at Indiana University of Pennsylvania who went missing after spending the 16 00:01:47.519 --> 00:01:51.599 night partying and drinking. When Jack's body was discovered at the bottom of a 17 00:01:51.719 --> 00:01:56.200 university stairwell five days later, his death was initially ruled to be a tragic 18 00:01:56.239 --> 00:02:00.079 accident and that he choked to death on his own vombit. However, there 19 00:02:00.079 --> 00:02:04.200 are a number of troubling questions, as it seemed unlikely that Jack's body could 20 00:02:04.200 --> 00:02:07.879 have remained at the bottom of this stairwell on a busy campus for that length 21 00:02:07.879 --> 00:02:13.240 of time without anyone noticing him. The case eventually captured the attention of noted 22 00:02:13.240 --> 00:02:17.400 forensic pathologist doctor Cyril Wecht, and after Jack's body was exhumed, he reached 23 00:02:17.400 --> 00:02:22.680 the conclusion that Jack was likely alive for a couple of days after he originally 24 00:02:22.680 --> 00:02:25.439 went missing, and that his death was actually the result of a brain hemorridge 25 00:02:25.680 --> 00:02:31.000 caused by some unexplained skull fractures. This strongly suggested that Jack died at another 26 00:02:31.039 --> 00:02:36.919 location before someone planted his body in the stairwell, but if so, what 27 00:02:37.080 --> 00:02:42.120 actually happened to him? And who was responsible. An extensive investigation was performed 28 00:02:42.159 --> 00:02:46.759 by freelance reporter Marlene Gentlcore, who published a book about the case titled Justice 29 00:02:46.800 --> 00:02:52.439 Wanted the Kid in the University Stairwell. But even though Jack's death has always 30 00:02:52.439 --> 00:02:55.280 been surrounded by a lot of hearsay and rumors about an alleged cover up, 31 00:02:55.639 --> 00:03:00.599 there seemed to be very few verifiable facts. Are going to explore this perplexing 32 00:03:00.639 --> 00:03:06.360 case on today's episode, Well, I'm very interested that you guys are bringing 33 00:03:06.360 --> 00:03:08.919 me a case about a university campus, and particularly in this one. The 34 00:03:09.000 --> 00:03:14.840 moment you said he was out of fraternity party and he was drinking and eventually 35 00:03:15.000 --> 00:03:19.240 ends up in this stairwell, supposedly choking on his own vomit, A million 36 00:03:19.319 --> 00:03:24.159 questions went through my head. One, I feel incredibly empathetic and so sorry 37 00:03:24.199 --> 00:03:29.280 for the parents who are dealing with this information, who don't know exactly what 38 00:03:29.400 --> 00:03:32.919 happened to their son and who could have been involved in this. But also 39 00:03:34.199 --> 00:03:38.400 you know that there was attention brought to Jack and saying he chose to drink 40 00:03:38.400 --> 00:03:42.000 that night. This is the consequence of drinking too much at a college party, 41 00:03:42.280 --> 00:03:45.840 and the parents are saying, is it like, did my son need 42 00:03:45.879 --> 00:03:49.319 to die that night? Or let's say he did choke on his own vomit? 43 00:03:49.360 --> 00:03:53.479 Guys, did no one at that party have a responsibility to help someone 44 00:03:53.520 --> 00:03:58.159 who is that intoxicated or worse, if it is foul play. Who could 45 00:03:58.159 --> 00:04:01.159 have taken him into that stairwell? Were they nursing him and trying to keep 46 00:04:01.240 --> 00:04:04.879 him alive because he did drink too much of their fraternity party and they don't 47 00:04:04.919 --> 00:04:09.599 want to be shut down. The only problem I have with that is if 48 00:04:09.639 --> 00:04:14.120 there were two college age kids that carry his body somewhere else, I find 49 00:04:14.159 --> 00:04:17.480 it very difficult to think that both of those people could keep their mouth shut 50 00:04:17.639 --> 00:04:20.720 for years and years and years and not say anything, because how that would 51 00:04:20.720 --> 00:04:24.959 weigh on most people's conscience. Seems like at least one of them would have 52 00:04:25.000 --> 00:04:28.680 cracked. Yeah, this is kind of an interesting story where there seems to 53 00:04:28.680 --> 00:04:30.639 be, as we're going to talk about, a shroud of silency surrounding what 54 00:04:30.720 --> 00:04:33.800 happened, where you get the sense that there are people there who have heard 55 00:04:33.879 --> 00:04:38.360 rumors about what happened, and people who may want to talk, but they 56 00:04:38.399 --> 00:04:42.160 have somehow managed to keep their mouth shut for a very long period of time. 57 00:04:42.439 --> 00:04:45.720 And like you said, it's very hard for young for college students to 58 00:04:45.759 --> 00:04:48.000 do that for so many years. But it seems like if something did happen 59 00:04:48.040 --> 00:04:51.879 to Jack, that's exactly what happened in this case. Don't tell me that 60 00:04:51.959 --> 00:04:58.040 institutions are hushing the children that are involved in this case. No, universities 61 00:04:58.120 --> 00:05:01.560 never cover anything up. I'm sure sure you had to pitch your perfect existence 62 00:05:01.560 --> 00:05:06.079 when you worked at a university. Absolutely, we're all there for the students, 63 00:05:06.519 --> 00:05:10.560 um No. But also the fraternity functions the same way. I mean, 64 00:05:10.600 --> 00:05:13.800 if you've watched like The Hunting Ground, or you've watched any kind of 65 00:05:14.680 --> 00:05:19.279 show about fraternity life and sorority life, there is a It is an institution. 66 00:05:19.439 --> 00:05:24.439 It is a it's like almost a legacy and a heritage that's passed down 67 00:05:24.439 --> 00:05:28.279 to these kids. And so to ruin the name of that fraternity is something 68 00:05:28.279 --> 00:05:31.480 that is so protected, it is so you know, secreted, because that's 69 00:05:32.079 --> 00:05:35.399 our brothers, that's our kind of brotherhood. It's no different than the military 70 00:05:35.480 --> 00:05:40.319 anything else. Because we stand next to each other and we earned our way 71 00:05:40.360 --> 00:05:44.279 into this group. We have to protect it. This isn't aside, but 72 00:05:44.360 --> 00:05:47.879 it is relevant to the institutions have either of you seen the movie Promising Young 73 00:05:47.879 --> 00:05:51.839 Woman. Oh, yes, yeah, that was excellent. It was so 74 00:05:53.040 --> 00:05:56.240 good. Actually, you have to watch it. But there's a part that 75 00:05:56.439 --> 00:06:00.680 is like husually relevant because one of the girls the story is about, it's 76 00:06:00.680 --> 00:06:03.920 about kind of avenging her. She was in med school, and like the 77 00:06:04.040 --> 00:06:10.199 dean basically covered it up because the guy was important and they wanted to preserve 78 00:06:10.240 --> 00:06:15.160 the reputation and probably whatever donors were donating, they wanted to make that make 79 00:06:15.199 --> 00:06:18.199 sure that cash was still flowing. So anyone that comes to them with a 80 00:06:18.240 --> 00:06:24.240 sexual assault claim or any type of claim that it may reflect poorly on them. 81 00:06:24.680 --> 00:06:29.120 It's like, you are an inconvenience. Let's find a way to kind 82 00:06:29.120 --> 00:06:32.879 of discredit you or just make you go away. So sad, it's so 83 00:06:32.920 --> 00:06:36.279 sad. What's the name of this film? Promising Young Woman? Okay, 84 00:06:36.319 --> 00:06:40.920 I will watch, and I will watch knowing that unfortunately, that happens every 85 00:06:41.000 --> 00:06:46.519 day on our college campuses. So our story begins in Pennsylvania in nineteen eighty 86 00:06:46.560 --> 00:06:51.399 seven, and our central figure is twenty year old Jack Davis Junior. Jack 87 00:06:51.439 --> 00:06:57.920 originally hails from the township of penn Hills in Allegheny County and his father, 88 00:06:58.040 --> 00:07:00.759 Jack Davis Senior, and mother, Elaine Lynch, divorced shortly after he was 89 00:07:00.839 --> 00:07:06.399 born. Jack Junior had no biological siblings, but when he was only two 90 00:07:06.480 --> 00:07:11.839 years old, he would find himself with several step siblings when his mother got 91 00:07:11.839 --> 00:07:15.480 remarried to another man who had six kids of his own. After being raised 92 00:07:15.519 --> 00:07:20.079 by his new family and graduating high school, Jack decided to move to Indiana 93 00:07:20.120 --> 00:07:26.680 County in order to attend Indiana University of Pennsylvania, more commonly known as i 94 00:07:26.879 --> 00:07:31.079 UP. At this point, Jack is a sophomore majoring in business and lives 95 00:07:31.079 --> 00:07:35.079 in an off campus apartment with four roommates. He's also a member of the 96 00:07:35.120 --> 00:07:41.480 Sigma Tau gamma fraternity, more commonly known as Sigtau. On the evening of 97 00:07:41.519 --> 00:07:46.160 Friday, October sixteenth, Jack drove to a party at an off campus sorority 98 00:07:46.160 --> 00:07:49.759 house alongside another member of his fraternity, who functioned as his mentor and was 99 00:07:49.800 --> 00:07:54.800 often referred to as his big brother. While there, they were joined by 100 00:07:54.839 --> 00:07:58.759 some other fraternity brothers, and a group of them decided to leave the party 101 00:07:58.759 --> 00:08:03.759 with Jack shortly before thirty pm in order to walk to a tavern in downtown 102 00:08:03.800 --> 00:08:07.680 Indiana called al Patties. Throughout the course of the night, Jack consumed a 103 00:08:07.720 --> 00:08:13.079 lot more alcohol, and sometime after arriving at the tavern, he would get 104 00:08:13.120 --> 00:08:18.399 into an altercation with another student. Since Jack was technically still under the legal 105 00:08:18.480 --> 00:08:22.720 drinking age of twenty one, he was escorted out of al Patties and not 106 00:08:22.800 --> 00:08:26.720 allowed back inside. Jack then decided to walk across the street to another bar 107 00:08:26.839 --> 00:08:31.759 named Calicos, but he would soon disappear and he never returned to his apartment 108 00:08:31.799 --> 00:08:37.559 that night. When Jack failed to resurface over the weekend, his roommates just 109 00:08:37.600 --> 00:08:41.120 assumed he'd taken a trip somewhere, but they started to become concerned once they 110 00:08:41.200 --> 00:08:46.200 learned that Jack did not attend any of his classes on Monday, October nineteenth. 111 00:08:46.440 --> 00:08:50.960 Jack was officially reported missing to the Indiana Borough Police Department that night, 112 00:08:52.320 --> 00:08:56.759 and his family would be informed about what was happening. Jack's car was soon 113 00:08:56.840 --> 00:09:01.200 discovered in the exact same place he'd parked. Would attended the party at the 114 00:09:01.240 --> 00:09:07.440 sorority house on Friday night. This town sounds exactly like a typical college community 115 00:09:07.559 --> 00:09:11.320 where you park your car and you're not really expected to use it unless you 116 00:09:11.360 --> 00:09:15.080 need to drive to target or something like that. Right, you walk everywhere 117 00:09:15.399 --> 00:09:18.480 you walk to your friend's house, You can walk across the street to these 118 00:09:18.519 --> 00:09:22.080 really cool restaurants and bars and things like that. The cater to the college 119 00:09:22.120 --> 00:09:24.600 students, and it kind of sounds like what Jackane's fraternity brothers were doing, 120 00:09:24.879 --> 00:09:28.919 hopping from party to bar and just seeing where else they could go. I 121 00:09:30.039 --> 00:09:33.200 find it incredibly powerful that he gets into this fight with another student at the 122 00:09:33.240 --> 00:09:39.600 first bar, because we've all met incredibly young, intoxicated individuals, particularly men, 123 00:09:39.960 --> 00:09:46.240 who will say something wrong or antagonize somebody and they start fussing and something 124 00:09:46.320 --> 00:09:50.759 very minor becomes an incredibly huge ordeal and multiple friends get involved. You know, 125 00:09:50.840 --> 00:09:54.600 people want revenge for something you just said, and it can turn really 126 00:09:54.679 --> 00:10:00.000 ugly, really quick over nothing because of the alcohol consumed by both parties. 127 00:10:00.639 --> 00:10:05.240 And so I'm wondering, did this single student turned to a group of his 128 00:10:05.279 --> 00:10:07.120 buddies and say, hey, man, like this guy's mouth and off to 129 00:10:07.159 --> 00:10:11.120 me, I need your help, And did they follow him? Were they 130 00:10:11.120 --> 00:10:13.159 watching him? Do we know anything about that person he got into a fight 131 00:10:13.200 --> 00:10:18.519 with, Not really though, but just momentarily, I'm going to be talking 132 00:10:18.559 --> 00:10:22.000 about the last known person to have seen Jack alive, who gave a story 133 00:10:22.000 --> 00:10:24.440 about his whereabouts before he went missing. But one of the issues we're going 134 00:10:24.440 --> 00:10:28.200 to come to do in this case is that we're going to get differing accounts 135 00:10:28.200 --> 00:10:31.200 from different witnesses of certain events that happened that night, So you can't really 136 00:10:31.240 --> 00:10:35.879 know the full truth, and you really can't even be certain if this fight 137 00:10:35.919 --> 00:10:39.759 will have any relation to what happened to him. So by the afternoon of 138 00:10:39.799 --> 00:10:43.159 Wednesday, October the twenty first, Jack's disappearance had been publicized, so a 139 00:10:43.200 --> 00:10:48.960 student named Tom Brennan came forward to police and shared some information about having cross 140 00:10:48.000 --> 00:10:52.559 passed with him. Brennan claimed that sometime between one and one thirty am on 141 00:10:52.639 --> 00:10:56.960 Saturday, October the seventeenth, he came across Jack leaning up against the wall 142 00:10:56.960 --> 00:11:01.840 outside Calico's Bar, and that he looked intoxicated. At the time, a 143 00:11:01.919 --> 00:11:07.039 small scuffle was taking place outside the bar, and Jack appeared to be angry 144 00:11:07.320 --> 00:11:11.240 as he openly stated that he wanted to fight members of a rival fraternity named 145 00:11:11.279 --> 00:11:15.399 Phi Delt. Brendon prevented Jack from getting involved in the scuffle, which was 146 00:11:15.440 --> 00:11:18.879 soon broken up by the police, and he offered to walk Jack back home. 147 00:11:18.759 --> 00:11:22.559 After they left the scene. Brendon asked Jack where he lived several times, 148 00:11:22.639 --> 00:11:26.480 but Jack refused to answer, so Brendon escorted him to Alkin Hall, 149 00:11:26.679 --> 00:11:31.039 which was his own dormitory on campus. Brendon said that he went inside the 150 00:11:31.039 --> 00:11:33.879 dorm to check with a friend to see if Jack could spend the night there, 151 00:11:35.360 --> 00:11:39.399 and he went back outside. Jack was gone, oh no, okay, 152 00:11:39.440 --> 00:11:43.399 so this is this is what sounds like is happening with Brennan's account. 153 00:11:43.720 --> 00:11:46.960 He runs in to Jack and he realizes something's wrong. This is what I 154 00:11:48.000 --> 00:11:50.679 was praying, you know, people would do. They're saying, I'll help 155 00:11:50.720 --> 00:11:52.879 you. I can help you get back to campus. You may not tell 156 00:11:52.919 --> 00:11:56.360 me exactly where you live, but maybe I can get you home and you 157 00:11:56.360 --> 00:11:58.600 can sleep this off. And so Brennan takes him back to the dorm. 158 00:11:58.679 --> 00:12:05.639 He looks away briefly, and Jack leaves. Jack's at that point where things 159 00:12:05.720 --> 00:12:09.399 aren't rational to him right. He's not able to make good decisions. He's 160 00:12:09.440 --> 00:12:13.279 not able to understand that Brennan's right that he needs to stay put. These 161 00:12:13.320 --> 00:12:16.039 are the friends that say, like, give me him a car, keys 162 00:12:16.120 --> 00:12:18.279 when they're drunk as a skunk, right, or they say like, I'm 163 00:12:18.320 --> 00:12:22.799 fun, I'm sober, and they're clearly very very intoxicated. Jack's being a 164 00:12:22.879 --> 00:12:26.399 normal college kid that says like, no, I'm fine, right, and 165 00:12:26.440 --> 00:12:28.039 he wants to kind of do this on his own, because honestly, at 166 00:12:28.039 --> 00:12:31.879 this point, it sounds like his rationality and kind of making sense of the 167 00:12:31.919 --> 00:12:37.039 situation has eluded him. Oh yeah, like just the fact that Brennan tried 168 00:12:37.080 --> 00:12:39.559 to ask where do you live? Where can I take you back? And 169 00:12:39.679 --> 00:12:43.840 Jackie refused to answer because it seemed obvious that maybe he didn't even want to 170 00:12:43.840 --> 00:12:46.799 go back, like maybe he wanted to go to the bar and get involved 171 00:12:46.799 --> 00:12:50.399 in the scuffle or something. And he just seems that he was just not 172 00:12:50.480 --> 00:12:52.919 ready to go back home and go to sleep. So that's why it's easy 173 00:12:52.960 --> 00:12:58.480 to believe he might have gotten himself into some trouble. By the time Brennan 174 00:12:58.600 --> 00:13:03.919 came forward and shared his story, Jack's family had made the trip from Penn 175 00:13:03.000 --> 00:13:07.519 Hills to Indiana, so later that same evening, they decided to organize the 176 00:13:07.600 --> 00:13:13.679 search effort of the IUP campus, which consisted of numerous volunteers, including students 177 00:13:13.720 --> 00:13:18.320 who belonged to Jack's fraternity. They broke off into group, but at around 178 00:13:18.399 --> 00:13:24.039 ten twenty pm, three of Jack's fraternity brothers would discover his body at the 179 00:13:24.039 --> 00:13:30.000 bottom of an exterior twelve foot stairwell located next to a campus courtyard. The 180 00:13:30.080 --> 00:13:33.720 stairwell was rarely used and had fifteen concrete steps which led to a ten foot 181 00:13:33.759 --> 00:13:39.399 wide landing, followed by another five steps to the bottom. Located next to 182 00:13:39.440 --> 00:13:43.360 the entrance of a mechanical room. The room belonged to an adjacent building named 183 00:13:43.360 --> 00:13:48.399 Wyant Hall, which contained a number of classrooms and labs used for science courses, 184 00:13:48.799 --> 00:13:52.399 and the stairwell was only about a block away from where Jack had parted 185 00:13:52.399 --> 00:13:58.399 ways with Tom Brennan. While the Indiana Borough Police had taken charge of the 186 00:13:58.440 --> 00:14:03.799 investigation while Jack was sing, the discovery of his body at this location meant 187 00:14:03.799 --> 00:14:09.919 that the campus police would have jurisdiction investigating his death. A local pathologist named 188 00:14:09.919 --> 00:14:15.120 doctor Stephen Griffin would perform an autopsy on Jack's body and sent the results to 189 00:14:15.200 --> 00:14:20.240 Indiana County Coroner Thomas Streams, who ruled Jack's death to be an accident. 190 00:14:20.840 --> 00:14:24.559 Aside from a small hum atoma above Jack's left eyebrow, there were no signs 191 00:14:24.559 --> 00:14:30.399 of Bruis's defensive wounds or drag marks on Jack's body to indicate that he'd been 192 00:14:30.440 --> 00:14:33.720 involved in a struggle or was the victim of foul play. Based on the 193 00:14:33.759 --> 00:14:39.200 timeline from Tom Brennan's eyewitness account streams, theorized that Jack's death took place at 194 00:14:39.200 --> 00:14:46.759 approximately two am on October seventeenth. He suspected that after Brennan went inside Elkin 195 00:14:46.840 --> 00:14:50.519 Hall, Jack walked across campus until he reached the stairwell and decided to walk 196 00:14:50.559 --> 00:14:56.039 down there in order to urinate. However, since he was intoxicated, Jack 197 00:14:56.080 --> 00:15:01.960 wound up passing out and vomiting, and subsequently asphyxiated after inhaling the vomit into 198 00:15:01.039 --> 00:15:07.039 his lungs. Now, Okay, some of this could be accurate because obviously, 199 00:15:07.080 --> 00:15:09.679 if he's ruling this, he had a found vomit or matter in his 200 00:15:09.840 --> 00:15:15.039 lungs which would show this kind of inhalation of that. But I want to 201 00:15:15.039 --> 00:15:18.799 know was there any mentioning of the pooling of the blood, the kind of 202 00:15:18.840 --> 00:15:24.919 context of the body if he had been sitting outside for this long? One 203 00:15:24.000 --> 00:15:28.399 how did people not find him? And two? What is the condition of 204 00:15:28.440 --> 00:15:31.000 his body at this point? If he has been sitting there for as long 205 00:15:31.039 --> 00:15:35.240 as he's saying, right, that night he went into this place to urinate 206 00:15:35.279 --> 00:15:39.000 and he passes out and chokes on his own vomit, then his body should 207 00:15:39.000 --> 00:15:43.159 show that length of time that he's been out in the elements. And again, 208 00:15:43.279 --> 00:15:46.000 how do so many people walk by him? Get it's not a commonplace 209 00:15:46.080 --> 00:15:50.679 to be, but someone a maintenance man, somebody had to walk into that 210 00:15:50.720 --> 00:15:54.600 building at some point. Yeah, we're going to talk about these discrepancies later 211 00:15:54.679 --> 00:15:58.639 on, But it seems that the local authorities did a pretty half assed job. 212 00:15:58.759 --> 00:16:02.759 Like examining jack Spot, they just automatically ruled it was an accident and 213 00:16:02.799 --> 00:16:04.559 then decided that he should be buried. And it's not until a couple of 214 00:16:04.639 --> 00:16:07.879 years later when doctor Cyril Wecht, who is an expert on the sort of 215 00:16:07.919 --> 00:16:11.960 thing, starts pointing out a lot of the discrepancies that you mentioned and asked 216 00:16:12.000 --> 00:16:15.519 a lot of the same questions you asked, and finally realize that, hey, 217 00:16:15.600 --> 00:16:21.720 there's something not right here. Could he really outside all this time without 218 00:16:21.720 --> 00:16:25.080 anyone noticing? And also there are certain things about his body which do not 219 00:16:25.200 --> 00:16:29.120 lend credence to the idea that he was outside for that length of time. 220 00:16:29.720 --> 00:16:33.919 It feels lazy and it feels like they really rushed to jump to conclusions. 221 00:16:33.360 --> 00:16:37.519 It was like doctor Stephen Griffin had these findings and the police had these findings, 222 00:16:37.519 --> 00:16:41.559 and doctor Streams was just like, Okay, well, I'm not really 223 00:16:41.559 --> 00:16:47.159 going to look any further. This all lines up when if you look at 224 00:16:47.200 --> 00:16:49.559 all of the evidence. There's a lot of things that don't fit here. 225 00:16:51.000 --> 00:16:55.080 But I agree Ash, I'm very interested in I don't think we have that 226 00:16:55.159 --> 00:16:59.039 information, but I would love to know where the liver mortist was, or 227 00:16:59.080 --> 00:17:03.080 the pooling of the blood, and what state of rigor mortists was the body 228 00:17:03.120 --> 00:17:07.079 in, because if I'm may be incorrect here, but the body goes into 229 00:17:07.200 --> 00:17:11.279 rigor for a period of time and then rigor kind of relaxes. Is that 230 00:17:11.319 --> 00:17:17.240 correct? I don't know. You probably know more than I do on that 231 00:17:17.279 --> 00:17:19.519 one. I don't know, Robin. Do you know, because like I 232 00:17:19.559 --> 00:17:23.440 thought, after a few days, it sort of like it wasn't so difficult 233 00:17:23.480 --> 00:17:26.720 to move the body, like it was kind of a temporary thing. But 234 00:17:26.839 --> 00:17:30.960 I could be wrong. I'm not entirely sure, but I know that when 235 00:17:30.960 --> 00:17:34.440 Cyril Weck looks at it, he says that he believes that Jack was still 236 00:17:34.480 --> 00:17:38.039 in the rigor mortist phase when his body was found, which would indicate that 237 00:17:38.079 --> 00:17:41.720 he was not dead for five entire days. Then that's probably right, Jewels. 238 00:17:41.720 --> 00:17:45.000 You're probably as because if you're still in the rigor mortist phase, it 239 00:17:45.039 --> 00:17:52.200 means there's a phase post m and so's what's hard is that those were critical 240 00:17:52.240 --> 00:17:56.119 elements that are not difficult to observe. All the pulling in the blood should 241 00:17:56.119 --> 00:17:59.680 have been exactly where he was making contact with the concrete, and that's it. 242 00:18:00.000 --> 00:18:03.200 And so those would have been such easy things to document. The context 243 00:18:03.279 --> 00:18:07.319 are the quality of the skin and the swelling of the body and all of 244 00:18:07.359 --> 00:18:10.440 these different, you know, things that you would see when you found him. 245 00:18:10.799 --> 00:18:12.440 I think it's one of these things that you know, we see kids 246 00:18:12.599 --> 00:18:18.480 have these tragic outcomes to nights of parting. It is not a completely abnormal 247 00:18:19.400 --> 00:18:22.920 scenario to think about. And I think you're right, Jewels. I think 248 00:18:22.920 --> 00:18:26.319 it sounds lazy. We have a dead kid on our campus. It's because 249 00:18:26.319 --> 00:18:30.519 he was drunk, and unfortunately, accidents happen and that allows everything to kind 250 00:18:30.519 --> 00:18:34.759 of go away. And even if it's not a malicious ruling, it's the 251 00:18:34.920 --> 00:18:38.720 easy way out and not have to put too many resources or time And how 252 00:18:38.720 --> 00:18:45.200 many times were the campus police officers actually dealing with these issues? So maybe 253 00:18:45.200 --> 00:18:49.200 a lack of experience and laziness. Yeah, I was going to ask you, 254 00:18:49.240 --> 00:18:52.119 Ashley, did red flags go up? And I said that the jurisdiction 255 00:18:52.359 --> 00:18:56.480 went over to the campus police because I know they often don't have the best 256 00:18:56.519 --> 00:19:00.799 reputation for investigating actual crimes that take place, which are probably better served being 257 00:19:00.839 --> 00:19:06.960 investigated by professional police forces off campus. Yes. So I have a lot 258 00:19:07.000 --> 00:19:10.799 of amazing former students and things like that who have found campus police jobs. 259 00:19:10.799 --> 00:19:15.680 They're incredible jobs to have. They're actually like officers who will go above and 260 00:19:15.720 --> 00:19:18.400 beyond to really help the community, which is what officers are supposed to be 261 00:19:18.440 --> 00:19:23.440 doing. But you nailed it. They're not as kind of focused on violent 262 00:19:23.519 --> 00:19:30.920 crimes. They're not as well versed on especially these this magnitude. A homicide 263 00:19:30.960 --> 00:19:36.799 or a death suicide like these are bigger issues than you know, a student 264 00:19:36.839 --> 00:19:41.319 who has their bike stolen, or a student who needs music turned down the 265 00:19:41.359 --> 00:19:45.119 dorm next to them because they're studying for a test, or like their mopeed 266 00:19:45.160 --> 00:19:48.960 gets stolen. I mean, there's things that happened sexual assault happens. Even 267 00:19:48.000 --> 00:19:51.680 with that, I feel like there should be professionals that are brought in from 268 00:19:51.720 --> 00:19:57.039 the community who are able to support campus police. I don't think that typically 269 00:19:57.079 --> 00:20:02.799 you expect them to be handling deaths. A you'd want a homicide unit to 270 00:20:02.799 --> 00:20:07.039 come in and basically take the reins, because you don't know that it isn't 271 00:20:07.039 --> 00:20:12.240 a homicide until you've collected all of that forensic evidence. So to put somebody 272 00:20:12.279 --> 00:20:18.680 in charge of something that could potentially turn out to be a homicide who likely 273 00:20:18.759 --> 00:20:22.279 has no experience because I don't know how many murders happened on that college campus 274 00:20:22.920 --> 00:20:26.200 or how many suspicious deaths, but I would think that, you know, 275 00:20:26.359 --> 00:20:32.599 on an annual basis, there would probably be less than one. So to 276 00:20:32.759 --> 00:20:36.559 have somebody who has pretty much zero experience, like you said, asked with 277 00:20:36.720 --> 00:20:41.799 violent crime, coming in and taking the reins on this, it just feels 278 00:20:41.880 --> 00:20:45.640 like it's almost a foregone conclusion that you're then going to look at it later 279 00:20:45.720 --> 00:20:48.039 and go, WHOA, we've got some mistakes here. Well, here's what 280 00:20:48.119 --> 00:20:52.839 happened. There was never there was never a time that they approached this as 281 00:20:52.880 --> 00:20:56.440 anything other than an accident. And that's where We've talked a million times police 282 00:20:56.519 --> 00:21:02.440 go wrong. It makes sense that this would be an accident. It is 283 00:21:02.480 --> 00:21:06.920 not. If I thought about a kid dying on campus, I would immediately 284 00:21:06.920 --> 00:21:11.519 think suicide or an accident. Rights. We don't think about these horrible things 285 00:21:11.559 --> 00:21:15.880 that can happen to our students or our children. And so I think the 286 00:21:15.920 --> 00:21:19.039 police approach him said, well, clearly, this kiddo didn't take his own 287 00:21:19.079 --> 00:21:23.839 life, and he's dead, and he was drunk last time his friends saw 288 00:21:23.920 --> 00:21:29.119 him. So he had an accident and died, and that assumption would prevent 289 00:21:29.319 --> 00:21:33.880 any of the steps needed, calling in other officers or departments looking for these 290 00:21:33.920 --> 00:21:37.440 signs on the body. I think they just walked in and said, oh, 291 00:21:37.559 --> 00:21:40.039 no, we have another kiddo who died of an accident because of a 292 00:21:40.119 --> 00:21:45.000 night out drinking, and the case was closed. Well. Jack's family had 293 00:21:45.039 --> 00:21:48.480 a number of problems with the scenario and had a hard time believing that his 294 00:21:48.559 --> 00:21:52.359 body could have remained undiscovered inside the stairwell of a busy campus for five whole 295 00:21:52.440 --> 00:21:57.079 days. In spite of this, most of them reluctantly accepted the accidental death 296 00:21:57.200 --> 00:22:02.839 ruling, but the situation jill Ate Away at one of Jack's stepbrothers John Lynch. 297 00:22:03.440 --> 00:22:07.079 In December of nineteen eighty nine, John was put in touch with Marlene 298 00:22:07.079 --> 00:22:11.240 Gentlecore, a freelance reported with the Greensburg Tribune Review, and he convinced her 299 00:22:11.279 --> 00:22:15.720 that there had to be more to this story. They would launch their own 300 00:22:15.759 --> 00:22:21.240 deep dive investigation into Jack's death, and Gentlecore uncovered a number of troubling discrepancies, 301 00:22:21.519 --> 00:22:25.519 so the Tribune Review decided to publish a three part series of articles about 302 00:22:25.559 --> 00:22:29.960 her findings in April of nineteen ninety. The case eventually wound up in the 303 00:22:30.000 --> 00:22:33.079 hands of doctor Cyril Wecht, one of the most famous forensic pathologists in the 304 00:22:33.160 --> 00:22:37.359 United States, who also happened to work in Allegheny County, where Jack's family 305 00:22:37.400 --> 00:22:42.920 lived. Right from the outset. Doctor Wecht was troubled by Jack's original toxicology 306 00:22:42.960 --> 00:22:48.759 and autopsy reports. For starters, there was an odd discrepancy in the autopsy 307 00:22:48.799 --> 00:22:53.480 report, even though Indiana County corner Thomas Streams had listed Jack's probable time of 308 00:22:53.519 --> 00:22:57.880 death as two am on October seventeenth, only a half hour after he was 309 00:22:57.960 --> 00:23:03.720 last seen, the original pathologists who performed the autopsy, doctor Stephen Griffin, 310 00:23:03.160 --> 00:23:08.079 had listed Jack's time of death as two am on October the eighteenth. While 311 00:23:08.119 --> 00:23:11.920 it was conclusively established that Jack had been drinking heavily on the last night You've 312 00:23:11.920 --> 00:23:17.880 been seen alive, the toxicology report showed no traces of alcohol in Jack's blood 313 00:23:18.160 --> 00:23:22.599 and only small amounts in his stomach and urine in wax size. This ruled 314 00:23:22.599 --> 00:23:26.359 out the possibility that Jack died during the early morning hours of October the seventeenth, 315 00:23:26.440 --> 00:23:30.559 as he believed it would have taken at least thirty hours for all the 316 00:23:30.599 --> 00:23:36.240 alcohol in Jack's system to have metabolized. My eyes are as big as saucers 317 00:23:36.319 --> 00:23:38.759 right now, because that was one of the things I was going how much 318 00:23:38.799 --> 00:23:44.160 alcohol was in his system Unless he had been drugged, and I assumed GHB 319 00:23:44.319 --> 00:23:47.640 or something to non show up in his system. It is very clear that 320 00:23:47.680 --> 00:23:52.759 this kiddo had been consuming drinks from party to party to party to a bar. 321 00:23:52.880 --> 00:23:55.079 He gets kicked out of a bar, he goes to another bar. 322 00:23:55.519 --> 00:24:00.400 He's at that point when you have a friend who's intoxicated, they just keep 323 00:24:00.519 --> 00:24:03.039 drinking, do you know what I mean? There's no kind of recollection of 324 00:24:03.680 --> 00:24:07.079 I'm during too much. It's just like this continuous cycle that happens, and 325 00:24:07.160 --> 00:24:12.160 so for him to have a small amount of alcohol in his stomach and urine 326 00:24:12.519 --> 00:24:18.759 and blood blows my mind. So I have to side with doctor Wegg who 327 00:24:18.759 --> 00:24:22.200 says, clearly something happened. He had to have been able to metabolize this 328 00:24:22.319 --> 00:24:29.960 alcohol. It doesn't metabolize once you're dead. So huge red flag, huge, 329 00:24:30.000 --> 00:24:32.960 huge, huge red flag. Let me ask you both the questions. 330 00:24:33.359 --> 00:24:38.039 Okay, so do you think that when there's no alcohol in the blood stream, 331 00:24:38.119 --> 00:24:44.519 does it mean that he's basically metabolized all of the alcohol from the previous 332 00:24:44.640 --> 00:24:48.519 night drinking, but a little bit of alcohol in his stomach would be new 333 00:24:48.559 --> 00:24:52.720 alcohol, Because it seems so strange to me. I don't know. Yeah, 334 00:24:52.759 --> 00:24:56.119 I would think if he was continually drinking from the night before, his 335 00:24:56.200 --> 00:25:00.359 blood alcohol would show a low level if he down the drinking, but it 336 00:25:00.359 --> 00:25:04.240 wouldn't show that he's got like no alcohol in his bloodstream. I personally would 337 00:25:04.279 --> 00:25:10.119 think that he had metabolized that alcohol. And then maybe either you could think 338 00:25:10.119 --> 00:25:15.079 that he took a sip of alcohol or somebody else put some in his mouth 339 00:25:15.359 --> 00:25:18.599 in order to make it look like this was an accident. Knowing that he 340 00:25:18.720 --> 00:25:23.039 had sobered up, and that they needed to kind of replicate the conditions for 341 00:25:23.160 --> 00:25:26.839 when he was last seen and when he was quite inebriated. Yeah, those 342 00:25:26.839 --> 00:25:30.640 two things don't seem to add up. Where there's no trace of alcohol in 343 00:25:30.720 --> 00:25:33.400 his blood, but there is a small amount in his stomach and urine. 344 00:25:33.759 --> 00:25:37.680 I'm not versed in whether that would last longer than the alcohol in your blood, 345 00:25:37.960 --> 00:25:41.000 but I mean, think about it, if you've ever gone out really 346 00:25:41.079 --> 00:25:44.039 having a good time, right, Like, I'm thirty eight, so I 347 00:25:44.039 --> 00:25:45.960 don't get to do that anymore, and I can't do that anymore. I 348 00:25:47.039 --> 00:25:51.240 just can't keep up. But when I was twenty one and you're drinking so 349 00:25:51.359 --> 00:25:53.319 much, you wake up the next day and you try to go to work 350 00:25:53.400 --> 00:25:59.440 or to class and you're still in a huge fog and probably still intoxicated. 351 00:25:59.839 --> 00:26:04.200 So the fact that he supposedly died thirty minutes after he left Brennan and yet 352 00:26:04.200 --> 00:26:08.880 he's found five days later with nothing in his system, it just it's very 353 00:26:08.920 --> 00:26:12.920 concerning. And if we're gonna go by what doctor Wex says, he says 354 00:26:12.960 --> 00:26:18.440 it takes thirty hours to metabolize that alcohol, So we could look at it 355 00:26:18.480 --> 00:26:21.160 like that, if he had no alcohol in his system. It would have 356 00:26:21.200 --> 00:26:23.200 taken over thirty hours to you get that alcohol out of his system. But 357 00:26:23.240 --> 00:26:27.039 then how did that new small amount of alcohol get there. It's all so 358 00:26:27.279 --> 00:26:30.519 confusing, and the timeline is just done add up. We're going to talk 359 00:26:30.519 --> 00:26:36.720 about this probably on part two. But apparently bacteria can cause alcohol to form 360 00:26:36.839 --> 00:26:40.640 in your body after death, so that could account for the minute trace that 361 00:26:40.720 --> 00:26:42.559 was found in his system. Oh my goodness, that's true. Okay. 362 00:26:44.039 --> 00:26:47.319 I knew that it could, but I didn't know that it formed specifically in 363 00:26:47.359 --> 00:26:52.640 the stomach. In addition, both the autopsy and toxicology reports describe Jack as 364 00:26:52.680 --> 00:26:57.200 having a large amount of stomach contents, which made doctor Weck believe the jacket 365 00:26:57.240 --> 00:27:02.880 eaten something only five or so hours before he died. This meant that if 366 00:27:03.000 --> 00:27:07.279 Jack's death occurred five days before the autopsy was performed, his stomach contents would 367 00:27:07.279 --> 00:27:12.599 have already been digested. What was particularly troubled by the amount of stubble which 368 00:27:12.640 --> 00:27:17.559 was on Jack's face in the photographs of his body, as a number of 369 00:27:17.559 --> 00:27:22.920 witnesses who interacted with Jack before he disappeared maintained that he was clean shaven that 370 00:27:22.039 --> 00:27:27.640 night. These photographs as well as the slides of Jack's body tissue also made 371 00:27:27.680 --> 00:27:33.799 we conclude that the body was not in the state of decomposition one would expect 372 00:27:33.880 --> 00:27:37.200 after being dead for five days. In fact, he believed Jack was still 373 00:27:37.240 --> 00:27:41.240 in the rigor mortists phase, which seemed to indicate he'd been dead for less 374 00:27:41.240 --> 00:27:47.279 than twenty four hours at the time the photos were taken. Another odd discrepancy 375 00:27:47.519 --> 00:27:51.519 was that Jack's clothing was dry at the time he was found, even though 376 00:27:51.599 --> 00:27:56.559 there'd been a heavy rainfall the day before. Oh my goodness, I'm trying 377 00:27:56.599 --> 00:28:00.640 to put myself in the position of his family, which is possible to do. 378 00:28:00.759 --> 00:28:03.480 But when you're sitting there and you say, okay, we've lost our 379 00:28:03.480 --> 00:28:07.400 son, right, it doesn't seem like anyone listened to us that this is 380 00:28:07.519 --> 00:28:11.440 very abnormal, that we're concerned something else happened. And then you start to 381 00:28:11.480 --> 00:28:15.799 hear all of these things that counteract this claim that it was an accident, 382 00:28:15.920 --> 00:28:18.160 right that, or not even that it was an accident, but that there's 383 00:28:18.279 --> 00:28:22.160 a discrepancy of up to five days of when your son was last alive. 384 00:28:22.839 --> 00:28:27.240 It's nauseating to think, Okay, where was my son? Because now I 385 00:28:27.279 --> 00:28:30.319 have a lot more questions and a lot of fear around who was he with, 386 00:28:30.720 --> 00:28:34.359 what did they do to him? Did he suffer? Did he struggle? 387 00:28:34.400 --> 00:28:38.799 What happened to him? Because you gave me five days to play with 388 00:28:38.880 --> 00:28:45.240 to think about right. Question about the stomach contents you said that doctor Weck 389 00:28:45.359 --> 00:28:48.920 said had he been dead for five days, the food would have been digested. 390 00:28:48.000 --> 00:28:52.559 Does your stomach continue to digest food once you die? No, Oh 391 00:28:52.599 --> 00:28:53.960 it doesn't. Okay, it doesn't, I don't. I think what he 392 00:28:55.119 --> 00:28:59.319 meant is that the meal that he had eaten that night, he'd eaten early 393 00:28:59.519 --> 00:29:03.680 enough that the food would have been digested by the time he died. Okay, 394 00:29:03.799 --> 00:29:07.000 okay, I was like, what everything, No, it does up? 395 00:29:07.200 --> 00:29:11.039 Yeah. Yeah. And the stubble is, you know it could come 396 00:29:11.039 --> 00:29:15.079 in a day, but it didn't come within thirty minutes. You know, 397 00:29:15.119 --> 00:29:18.240 you don't regain your five o'clock shadow in thirty minutes. When people reported that 398 00:29:18.319 --> 00:29:23.000 you were clean shaven at the bars and at the party, that seems incredibly 399 00:29:23.119 --> 00:29:29.039 disturbing when I think about my son was described as clean shaven, and then 400 00:29:29.359 --> 00:29:33.240 his body is found dry, it is found in rigamortis, it's it's stiff, 401 00:29:33.480 --> 00:29:37.640 and he has stubble on his face and food contents in his stomach, 402 00:29:37.960 --> 00:29:41.319 So you tell me who was he with where was he And it's also really 403 00:29:41.319 --> 00:29:45.920 disturbing if we think about the fact that he may have been dying at this 404 00:29:45.960 --> 00:29:48.480 point and someone was trying to nurse him back to health, because it doesn't 405 00:29:48.480 --> 00:29:52.440 sound like he would have had the capacity to feed himself with somebody like pouring 406 00:29:52.519 --> 00:29:57.240 soup down his throat or something trying to heal him. It's all really unsettling 407 00:29:57.279 --> 00:30:03.759 when you think about the details. Doctor weck also completely dismissed Thomas Stream's original 408 00:30:03.839 --> 00:30:07.160 ruling about Jack's cause of death when he looked at the autopsy slides of Jack's 409 00:30:07.240 --> 00:30:11.599 lungs, which showed no traces of food particles in his whimpipe or esophagus. 410 00:30:12.279 --> 00:30:15.960 This seemed to poke a hole in the theory that Jack had regurgitated food prior 411 00:30:17.000 --> 00:30:19.799 to his death and choked on his own vombit. However, the biggest red 412 00:30:19.799 --> 00:30:25.200 flag for Weckt was when he looked at the original autopsy report and noticed that 413 00:30:25.240 --> 00:30:29.359 doctor Grippin had not opened up the cranio vault of Jack's skull to check for 414 00:30:29.480 --> 00:30:33.200 possible head injuries. This prompted Weck to convince the Davis family to have Jack's 415 00:30:33.200 --> 00:30:37.119 body exhumed, and they would finally be given approval to do so in November 416 00:30:37.160 --> 00:30:42.400 of nineteen ninety, when the Indiana County District Attorney agreed to reopen the investigation 417 00:30:42.519 --> 00:30:48.759 into Jack's death. After the exhimation, doctor we performed a new autopsy, 418 00:30:48.079 --> 00:30:52.599 and after opening Jack's cranio vault, he discovered a total of three fractures in 419 00:30:52.680 --> 00:30:56.240 Jack's skull, a three inch long fracture at the back of his head, 420 00:30:56.640 --> 00:31:00.440 a one inch fracture above his left ear, and a one inch fracture inside 421 00:31:00.440 --> 00:31:06.599 the sinus cavity behind his nose. What concluded that these fractures had caused a 422 00:31:06.680 --> 00:31:10.279 large subdural hemorrhage on the right side of Jack's brain, which led to a 423 00:31:10.319 --> 00:31:15.160 blood clot and ultimately his death. However, What did not believe that Jack's 424 00:31:15.200 --> 00:31:18.880 injuries were caused by a fall down a stairwell, as that would have caused 425 00:31:18.920 --> 00:31:22.400 what he described as quote unquote eggshell to press type fractures in his skull, 426 00:31:22.960 --> 00:31:29.000 and Jack did not have any noticeable abrasions or bruises on his body. Unfortunately, 427 00:31:29.279 --> 00:31:33.079 it also turned out that Jack's organs were now missing. Even though it 428 00:31:33.119 --> 00:31:37.960 was standard procedure to remove organs before an autopsy and put them back inside the 429 00:31:37.000 --> 00:31:41.759 body before it was buried, this was not done in Jack's case, so 430 00:31:41.839 --> 00:31:47.240 no one knew where his organs went. That alone is incredibly distressing to a 431 00:31:47.319 --> 00:31:49.319 loved one. Right when I learned, wait a minute, Not only is 432 00:31:49.359 --> 00:31:55.559 an autopsy incredibly invasive and disturbing to think about it if you've ever witnessed one, 433 00:31:55.640 --> 00:31:57.079 I remember saying to myself, like, I pray no one I love 434 00:31:57.160 --> 00:32:00.480 has to have an autopsy performed on their bad because it is, yes, 435 00:32:00.599 --> 00:32:06.680 scientific, yes it's done with compassion, but it is pretty gruesome. It's 436 00:32:06.720 --> 00:32:10.839 pretty hard on somebody's physical body. And so the family already knew that that 437 00:32:10.960 --> 00:32:15.079 was happening with their son. Now they realized that parts of his body were 438 00:32:15.119 --> 00:32:21.200 not replaced as they should be. It's really kind of hard to think about 439 00:32:21.240 --> 00:32:23.359 if you haven't lost somebody, but like, even though their soul's not there, 440 00:32:23.519 --> 00:32:29.079 their body is basically all you have left, and you're so concerned about 441 00:32:29.079 --> 00:32:32.359 how it's being handled after somebody dies. So for the family to realize his 442 00:32:32.519 --> 00:32:37.720 organs were gone, it's distressing it's it's hard to think about. I remember 443 00:32:37.880 --> 00:32:42.279 chasing down the leads to where Buddy's organs went after his death, like we 444 00:32:42.359 --> 00:32:46.240 donated you know, different things, And I would call every three to five 445 00:32:46.319 --> 00:32:51.400 days and say, hey, did anything get donated today? Because I wanted 446 00:32:51.440 --> 00:32:54.279 to know where those parts of him had gone, and like, okay, 447 00:32:54.319 --> 00:32:58.920 he helps somebody, or okay, I'm I know that that wasn't usable, 448 00:32:59.039 --> 00:33:00.960 and they could tell me what they were doing with it. So for the 449 00:33:01.000 --> 00:33:05.640 family to say, not only do they not know where it is, but 450 00:33:05.680 --> 00:33:07.559 that now I have to think, I guess, would you throw them away? 451 00:33:07.839 --> 00:33:10.640 Did you put them in an incinerator? Like what did you do with 452 00:33:10.680 --> 00:33:15.599 my baby's organs? That's hard to think about. And then you look at 453 00:33:15.640 --> 00:33:21.599 these fractures on his face, which to me would indicate getting hit, perhaps 454 00:33:21.720 --> 00:33:27.079 a single punch where no one meant for Jack to die, But it takes 455 00:33:27.119 --> 00:33:30.279 just the right angle to hit somebody in the head and knock them out, 456 00:33:30.480 --> 00:33:35.599 cause a hemorrhage and have them die. You see that where people get into 457 00:33:35.599 --> 00:33:38.519 a fistfight at a bar and it turns into a murder investigation, and it 458 00:33:38.599 --> 00:33:45.319 was all just a fuss at a bar. So I'm very upset at this 459 00:33:45.359 --> 00:33:49.519 point for Jack's family, and I need to know more. I'm also really 460 00:33:49.559 --> 00:33:52.640 curious, did you ever find out who any of these people were that Buddy's 461 00:33:52.720 --> 00:33:57.160 organs went? You? Okay? So it was very odd. They told 462 00:33:57.160 --> 00:34:00.839 me that because he had a pulmonary embolism, a lot of his organs weren't 463 00:34:00.920 --> 00:34:04.960 usable. I don't know why, because he wasn't deceased for long, you 464 00:34:05.000 --> 00:34:09.159 know, like before I agreed to have his organs um taken and so but 465 00:34:09.239 --> 00:34:12.800 I did find this, and he is so proud in heaven. He is 466 00:34:12.840 --> 00:34:19.400 so proud. His skin was used for breast implants and to rebuild women's breast 467 00:34:20.000 --> 00:34:23.119 that were needed after amasectomy. So I know he's up in heaven, like 468 00:34:23.159 --> 00:34:29.519 hell, yes, I'm boob. Yes, that's amazing, so very amazing. 469 00:34:29.559 --> 00:34:30.920 I mean, think about what that would do for a woman. But 470 00:34:30.960 --> 00:34:34.400 like it made me laugh in a really dark time where I was like, 471 00:34:34.400 --> 00:34:45.480 wouldn't he be proud? You know? These new discoveries prompted Whack to pay 472 00:34:45.559 --> 00:34:50.480 a visit to the Indiana University of Pennsylvania campus in order to check out the 473 00:34:50.519 --> 00:34:54.800 stairwell where Jack's body was found. He also entered a second floor classroom inside 474 00:34:54.800 --> 00:35:00.400 the adjacent wand Hall, which had a window that directly overlooked the s farewell 475 00:35:00.599 --> 00:35:06.199 with a clear, unobstructed view of the bottom. Since approximately two hundred students 476 00:35:06.320 --> 00:35:12.840 visited the classroom in the days following Jack's disappearance, we founded extremely unlikely that 477 00:35:13.000 --> 00:35:16.000 no one would have noticed Jack's body during the five day window he was missing. 478 00:35:16.760 --> 00:35:21.719 While Wex still thought that the injuries were more consistent with some sort of 479 00:35:21.760 --> 00:35:25.360 fall rather than a blow to the head, he suspected that Jack's death occurred 480 00:35:25.360 --> 00:35:31.079 at another location a couple of days after he originally disappeared, before someone placed 481 00:35:31.079 --> 00:35:36.400 his body at the bottom of the stairwell. Wex stated the fact that he 482 00:35:36.559 --> 00:35:40.320 lived two or three days tells you that the injuries were not immediately fatal, 483 00:35:40.639 --> 00:35:46.079 and that in retrospect, had he been afforded good medical care with the appropriate 484 00:35:46.159 --> 00:35:52.400 neurosurgeon, most likely he would have survived. Can you imagine hearing that as 485 00:35:52.519 --> 00:35:54.400 a family member or a friend and say, like, wait a minute, 486 00:35:54.719 --> 00:35:59.800 had anyone done something to help him, he'd be standing next to us today, 487 00:36:00.760 --> 00:36:04.119 awful. And to hear it three years after the fact, because there 488 00:36:04.199 --> 00:36:07.719 was no investigation like this back in nineteen eighty seven, so they're probably thinking 489 00:36:07.719 --> 00:36:09.239 of themselves. Okay, now we want to find out what happened, but 490 00:36:09.719 --> 00:36:14.639 memories have faded and it's in some of the students who were on campus at 491 00:36:14.679 --> 00:36:17.400 that time they have graduated and moved on. So because they didn't perform a 492 00:36:17.480 --> 00:36:22.360 proper investigation the first time around, we have to start from scratch. So 493 00:36:22.400 --> 00:36:25.440 how will we figure out how this happened. In spite of Wex's new findings, 494 00:36:25.519 --> 00:36:30.159 Jack's family were unable to find any wrongful death or negligence lawsuits against anyone 495 00:36:30.440 --> 00:36:36.519 because the two year statute of limitations had expired. Even though the Indiana County 496 00:36:36.559 --> 00:36:40.000 District Attorney reopened the investigation, they failed to turn up any new evidence to 497 00:36:40.079 --> 00:36:45.199 prove that Jack's death was the result of foul play, so the investigation was 498 00:36:45.199 --> 00:36:50.039 pretty much closed again after one year. However, after interviewing several people who 499 00:36:50.119 --> 00:36:54.920 attended Indiana University of Pennsylvania during this time period, Marlene Gentlecore heard a number 500 00:36:54.960 --> 00:37:00.599 of unsettling rumors about what might have happened to Jack. It turned out that 501 00:37:00.679 --> 00:37:06.360 Jack's fraternity sig Tao, was not officially recognized by the university because nearly one 502 00:37:06.440 --> 00:37:10.000 year before Jack's death, they had been suspended from campus and lost their national 503 00:37:10.119 --> 00:37:15.840 charter due to an incident where they broke into a arrival fraternity house and caused 504 00:37:15.880 --> 00:37:20.960 extensive damage. For this reason, sig Tao was known as a quote unquote 505 00:37:21.159 --> 00:37:25.880 renegade fraternity and had a reputation for causing trouble and getting into fights. Jack's 506 00:37:25.880 --> 00:37:30.760 family was never pleased with them being associated with this fraternity, particularly after an 507 00:37:30.800 --> 00:37:37.000 incident during Jack's freshman year where he attended a rock concert with them in Pittsburgh. 508 00:37:37.159 --> 00:37:39.840 Jack's fraternity brothers made an attempt to steal some T shirts, but when 509 00:37:39.880 --> 00:37:44.480 they were caught in the act, they proceeded to toss the shirts into Jack's 510 00:37:44.559 --> 00:37:47.440 arms and run away. As a result, Jack took all the heat for 511 00:37:47.440 --> 00:37:52.000 the incident and was rested, so he had to call his mother to bail. 512 00:37:52.880 --> 00:37:54.880 Now, those are great brothers, right, So here's what's happening. 513 00:37:55.199 --> 00:38:00.800 It sounds like Jack was actually part of sig Tao before he before they became 514 00:38:00.840 --> 00:38:05.960 a renegade fraternity, and all that means is that their ban from campus. 515 00:38:06.039 --> 00:38:09.280 Right, the national organization has to shut them down or the National Fraternal Order 516 00:38:09.320 --> 00:38:13.559 says like listen, you can't be on this campus. That's your penalty for 517 00:38:13.599 --> 00:38:16.400 whatever infractions you have. And all the fraternity brothers looking at them like, 518 00:38:16.480 --> 00:38:21.719 yeah, right, we are sig Tao and we're going to exist anyway. 519 00:38:21.920 --> 00:38:27.480 So they're basically just living together and hanging out together and saying we're still sig 520 00:38:27.480 --> 00:38:30.360 Tao brothers, whether you want to recognize us or not. And so Jack 521 00:38:31.039 --> 00:38:36.599 is with these boys who clearly don't have a whole lot of regard for the 522 00:38:36.679 --> 00:38:39.000 rules. They're already in trouble on campus. They have a target on them, 523 00:38:39.079 --> 00:38:43.480 so that could be why a lot of people stayed quiet. We've already 524 00:38:43.559 --> 00:38:46.599 been sanctioned, we've already had penalties, we've already lost our chapter here. 525 00:38:46.880 --> 00:38:51.079 Everybody keep your mouth shut if we ever have a chance of our legacy being 526 00:38:51.119 --> 00:38:55.599 rebuilt on this campus. This unsanctioned fraternity reminds me of the fraternity in the 527 00:38:55.639 --> 00:39:01.400 movie Old School. Yes, did they do a lot of shrinking. I 528 00:39:01.519 --> 00:39:07.639 mean probably they do. Know. Yeah, but we're going to talk about 529 00:39:07.639 --> 00:39:12.679 this later on. But I get the impression that Jack was unhappy being associated 530 00:39:12.679 --> 00:39:15.039 with this rendegap fraternity, but at the same time, he didn't really want 531 00:39:15.039 --> 00:39:19.159 to get out. I think he felt a bit intimidated that there would be 532 00:39:19.239 --> 00:39:22.679 retribution against him if he tried to leave, so that's why he stayed with 533 00:39:22.719 --> 00:39:27.519 them, even though they didn't have the best reputation. You also might recall 534 00:39:27.639 --> 00:39:30.719 that on the night Jack went missing, he made reference to a scuffle having 535 00:39:30.719 --> 00:39:36.800 taken place between rival fraternity members of Sink Tao and Phi Delta. Well, 536 00:39:36.840 --> 00:39:40.320 the university tried to downplay the whole incident as nothing more than a shouting match, 537 00:39:42.000 --> 00:39:44.920 other witnesses said it was a lot more violent than that, and a 538 00:39:44.920 --> 00:39:47.960 total of five fights were reported to have taken place on campus that night. 539 00:39:49.960 --> 00:39:53.880 Indeed, when Jack's fraternity brothers attended his funeral, his family noticed that a 540 00:39:54.000 --> 00:39:59.360 number of them had black eyes and bruises on their faces. This is why 541 00:39:59.440 --> 00:40:02.920 one of the most prevalent rumors was that Jack was seriously injured during one of 542 00:40:02.960 --> 00:40:07.719 these fights, so the responsible parties kept him hidden somewhere for days in an 543 00:40:07.800 --> 00:40:13.239 attempt to nurse him back to health. But Jack ultimately succumbed to his injuries, 544 00:40:13.639 --> 00:40:15.800 so his body was placed in the stairwell in order to make it look 545 00:40:15.840 --> 00:40:20.840 like he'd been a victim of an accidental fall. However, it seemed like 546 00:40:21.079 --> 00:40:24.039 most of the students who shared these rumors were reluctant to goal on the record 547 00:40:24.360 --> 00:40:29.960 and speak out for fear of retaliation against them by Sigtao. Well, we 548 00:40:30.000 --> 00:40:36.360 already have on record that these fraternity brothers one protect the name of their fraternity, 549 00:40:36.440 --> 00:40:38.519 right because even when they get kicked off campus, it's that important for 550 00:40:38.559 --> 00:40:43.639 them to uphold the tradition of Sigtao that they're going to continue their fraternity without 551 00:40:43.639 --> 00:40:46.880 a charter, without any recognition from the university, without any funds, without 552 00:40:46.920 --> 00:40:52.440 that and so they're already showing that we will, you know, will die 553 00:40:52.599 --> 00:40:57.360 for this fraternity, right like it's our legacy, it's it's our name. 554 00:40:57.440 --> 00:41:01.880 We are Sigtao. So that's important when you think about would we turn on 555 00:41:01.960 --> 00:41:06.679 that name, would we say something happened within our walls? And also we 556 00:41:06.679 --> 00:41:10.480 can tell that these are incredibly selfish college kid, which is what is typically 557 00:41:10.639 --> 00:41:13.599 the case, right, It's very much about me, me, me, 558 00:41:14.119 --> 00:41:16.679 because look at what happened to poor Jack when the T shirt incident happened. 559 00:41:16.800 --> 00:41:21.519 They just threw it at him and ran like I don't care that there's consequences 560 00:41:21.519 --> 00:41:23.840 for Jack, even though he's our fraternity brother, I don't want to be 561 00:41:23.880 --> 00:41:29.519 in trouble. So you're seeing kind of this dual problem that would exist when 562 00:41:29.559 --> 00:41:32.039 you're looking at an investigation. We have to not only protect ourselves, but 563 00:41:32.079 --> 00:41:37.000 we're also protecting this name that we're already fighting as an organization to keep as 564 00:41:37.119 --> 00:41:44.159 a kind of remembrance on campus. And this could definitely make sense about why 565 00:41:44.280 --> 00:41:46.760 if they had knowledge about what happened to Jack, even if they weren't directly 566 00:41:46.800 --> 00:41:51.079 responsible for his death, they would want to stay quiet about it because they're 567 00:41:51.119 --> 00:41:54.559 already on really thin ice because now they're renegade fraternity who isn't even allowed on 568 00:41:54.599 --> 00:41:59.119 campus. So they probably figured that if it finds out that one of our 569 00:41:59.119 --> 00:42:01.719 brothers died our watch, they're probably just going to shut us down all together. 570 00:42:04.039 --> 00:42:07.559 While interviewing one of Jack's former roommates, Gentlecore learned a number of unsavory 571 00:42:07.599 --> 00:42:13.480 things about Jack's mentor at the fraternity, aka his big brother, as he 572 00:42:13.559 --> 00:42:17.039 was reportedly known for being a major cocaine dealer on campus. On the night 573 00:42:17.079 --> 00:42:21.320 he went missing, Jack and his big brother had driven to the party at 574 00:42:21.320 --> 00:42:24.239 the sorority house and spent a good chunk of the night hanging out together before 575 00:42:24.280 --> 00:42:29.079 they went through separate ways. But oddly, when his body was found, 576 00:42:29.360 --> 00:42:32.800 Jack was wearing his big brother's fraternity jacket, which had that person's name on 577 00:42:32.840 --> 00:42:37.199 the front. When interviewed by police, this guy claimed that shortly after they 578 00:42:37.280 --> 00:42:42.440 arrived at Al Patty's tavern, he and Jack briefly left in order to stop 579 00:42:42.480 --> 00:42:46.039 by Jack's apartment so that he could change clothes. While there, Jack asked 580 00:42:46.079 --> 00:42:50.840 his big brother if he could wear his fraternity jacket and put it on before 581 00:42:50.840 --> 00:42:53.880 they returned to the tavern together. But at least one witness from the party 582 00:42:54.159 --> 00:42:59.920 told Gentlecore that Jack was already wearing the fraternity jacket when he first arrived there 583 00:43:00.280 --> 00:43:04.039 because everyone noticed the big brother's name on the front and teased him about it. 584 00:43:05.039 --> 00:43:08.159 I'm not surprised that a fraternity guys selling cocaine. I mean, you, 585 00:43:08.360 --> 00:43:13.039 it's an easy way to make big money, and usually you're dealing with 586 00:43:13.079 --> 00:43:15.920 other students, so typically you're not really going down to, you know, 587 00:43:15.920 --> 00:43:21.880 really dangerous places. You're selling it to another affluent kid who's going to school 588 00:43:21.920 --> 00:43:27.559 with you. So I am not completely shocked by that, and I'm not 589 00:43:28.000 --> 00:43:31.559 crazily shocked that he'd be borrowing his fraternity brother's jacket. I remember how important 590 00:43:31.880 --> 00:43:36.480 like getting things with delta gamma on it when I was in college, Like, 591 00:43:36.519 --> 00:43:38.599 I craved it so bad, and I would ask some of my sorority 592 00:43:38.639 --> 00:43:40.800 sisters, like, can I borrow one of your wind breakers because it has 593 00:43:40.840 --> 00:43:44.440 our letters on it? Right? And eventually I got my own. But 594 00:43:44.800 --> 00:43:47.800 like, I don't find that crazy. This is his quote big brother in 595 00:43:47.800 --> 00:43:52.679 the fraternity, So sharing something with him that has your letters on it, 596 00:43:52.840 --> 00:43:57.800 I mean not not odd, but I do think this, Why would anyone 597 00:43:57.840 --> 00:44:00.639 lie about when he was wearing the jacket? Like did he really stop and 598 00:44:00.719 --> 00:44:05.400 change clothes? Does anyone remember him changing clothes of that apartment? And is 599 00:44:05.480 --> 00:44:09.280 that a critical importance here when we already know that we saw him after al 600 00:44:09.360 --> 00:44:14.599 Patties, We saw him over at Calicos, remember, So does that gap 601 00:44:14.639 --> 00:44:17.400 even matter we know where he was after al Patties? Would it be so 602 00:44:17.480 --> 00:44:22.960 pertinent that you would like leave mid partying to go change your clothes? Doesn't 603 00:44:22.960 --> 00:44:25.280 it seem like more probable that he would have just been wearing the jacket the 604 00:44:25.320 --> 00:44:29.360 whole time? Yeah, it is kind of weird that but big brother would 605 00:44:29.360 --> 00:44:31.719 bother to lie about something like this because if he was wearing the jacket a 606 00:44:31.760 --> 00:44:36.639 couple hours early, or why does that matter in the whole in the whole 607 00:44:36.679 --> 00:44:38.360 part of the story. But we're going to talk about this more in part 608 00:44:38.360 --> 00:44:42.800 two. But there's a reason that this jacket comes into play, and that 609 00:44:42.840 --> 00:44:46.239 there's been rumors uncorroborated that it may have played some sort of role in Jack's 610 00:44:46.280 --> 00:44:52.440 death. The case would be featured on an episode of Unsolved Mysteries which aired 611 00:44:52.440 --> 00:44:57.679 in January nineteen ninety five, and the Indiana County District Attorney said he would 612 00:44:57.679 --> 00:45:00.280 follow up on any new leads which might be produced as a result of the 613 00:45:00.320 --> 00:45:07.559 episode. Will Weeks later, the District Attorney's office received an anonymous letter written 614 00:45:07.559 --> 00:45:10.480 by someone claiming to be a former i UP student, who said that a 615 00:45:10.519 --> 00:45:14.880 friend of theirs once told them that Jack had died at a house where some 616 00:45:14.960 --> 00:45:17.599 fraternity brothers lived, and they kept him inside a closet for a couple of 617 00:45:17.679 --> 00:45:22.480 days while they figured out what to do. The Unsolved Mysteries teles Center would 618 00:45:22.519 --> 00:45:28.760 receive numerous phone tip just like that one which alleged that Jack's death was caused 619 00:45:28.760 --> 00:45:31.519 by his fraternity, but none of the callers were willing to leave their name 620 00:45:31.679 --> 00:45:37.079 or contact information, and as a result, these tips went nowhere. Years 621 00:45:37.159 --> 00:45:42.480 later, a message would be left at doctor Wex's office by a man claiming 622 00:45:42.519 --> 00:45:46.159 to be a retired Indiana Borough police officer who said that Jack had come to 623 00:45:46.239 --> 00:45:52.440 him for protection two weeks prior to his death. While Marline gentlcor was able 624 00:45:52.440 --> 00:45:57.440 to confirm this police officer's identity, she was unable to make contact with him, 625 00:45:57.960 --> 00:46:00.639 and as far as we can tell, he never revealed any further details 626 00:46:00.679 --> 00:46:07.480 about his encounter with Jack. In twenty eleven, Gentle Corps finally published a 627 00:46:07.519 --> 00:46:13.039 book about the case titled Justice Wanted the Kid in the University Stairwell, but 628 00:46:13.119 --> 00:46:16.280 it failed to bring about any substantial new leads, and after more than thirty 629 00:46:16.280 --> 00:46:21.360 five years, we still don't know the full truth about what actually caused the 630 00:46:21.440 --> 00:46:24.960 death of Jack Davis Junior. So I guess you could say the path went 631 00:46:25.039 --> 00:46:30.920 chilly. How disturbing is this that a police officer would come forward and say, 632 00:46:31.199 --> 00:46:36.199 Hey, he came to me for protection two weeks earlier, and then 633 00:46:36.239 --> 00:46:38.039 you're not able to get in touch with him. You know who he is? 634 00:46:38.440 --> 00:46:40.880 But you can't get in touch with him. Is this one of those 635 00:46:40.880 --> 00:46:45.239 cases where he had become a confidential informant. Remember, he had been arrested 636 00:46:45.280 --> 00:46:51.239 before, so he had interaction with law enforcement. He also was best friends 637 00:46:51.239 --> 00:46:55.159 and kind of admiring a cocaine dealer. So was he in a situation where 638 00:46:55.440 --> 00:47:01.320 this officer had helped him or had a colleague who quote helped him avoid trouble 639 00:47:01.480 --> 00:47:07.559 and Jack knew to come to him when he was under duress. Yeah, 640 00:47:07.599 --> 00:47:10.719 I think that's a possibility and also like a problem that it could be that 641 00:47:10.840 --> 00:47:15.719 the police know that if the full truth came out and that they were that 642 00:47:15.920 --> 00:47:19.239 Jack was acting as an informant for them and he failed to protect them, 643 00:47:19.519 --> 00:47:22.320 then this would make them look really bad. It's kind of like a similar 644 00:47:22.440 --> 00:47:24.920 theory that's been pushed forward in the Keith Warren case that they tried to pass 645 00:47:24.960 --> 00:47:29.800 off his murder as a suicide because he may have been like a secret informant 646 00:47:29.800 --> 00:47:32.800 and they didn't want anyone to find out that this informant died on their watch. 647 00:47:34.119 --> 00:47:37.760 So that could be why this police officer was willing to share this information 648 00:47:37.079 --> 00:47:43.400 but not actually go on the record and talk directly to Marlene Gentlecore So, 649 00:47:43.519 --> 00:47:46.719 Unsolved Mysteries featured it's fair share of stories about young people who went missing for 650 00:47:46.760 --> 00:47:51.440 a long period of time after attending a party, and when their body was 651 00:47:51.480 --> 00:47:54.960 eventually discovered, no one could figure out the exact circumstances of how they died. 652 00:47:55.599 --> 00:48:00.119 In all these cases, the authorities did not think that any foul they 653 00:48:00.119 --> 00:48:02.760 had taken place, but the victims' families had a hard time believing that their 654 00:48:02.800 --> 00:48:07.320 body could have remained undiscovered at the location they were found the entire time they 655 00:48:07.320 --> 00:48:12.280 were missing. For this reason, they suspected that some sort of cover up 656 00:48:12.280 --> 00:48:15.880 had taken place. Of course, one of the most famous examples of this, 657 00:48:15.960 --> 00:48:19.159 which we've covered on both The Trail Went Cold and The Path Went Chili, 658 00:48:19.719 --> 00:48:22.920 was the nineteen eighty one death of Kurtsova, who disappeared after attending a 659 00:48:23.000 --> 00:48:28.920 party before his body was discovered in a ravine five days later. You can 660 00:48:28.960 --> 00:48:31.519 make a number. You can make a number of parallels between Kurt's case and 661 00:48:31.599 --> 00:48:36.239 what happened to Jack Davis Junior, as they both went up partying on a 662 00:48:36.280 --> 00:48:40.320 Friday night and were believed to have gotten intoxicated before their bodies were found the 663 00:48:40.360 --> 00:48:45.119 following Wednesday. On the reboot of Unsolved Mysteries, which dropped on Netflix a 664 00:48:45.119 --> 00:48:49.760 few years ago, one of their episodes covered the two thousand and four death 665 00:48:49.800 --> 00:48:53.679 of Alonso Brooks, who also vanished after attending a party before his body was 666 00:48:53.719 --> 00:48:59.480 discovered in a creek nearly one month later. In both the Kurtsova and Alonso 667 00:48:59.519 --> 00:49:02.880 brookscale, people were adamant that they had previously searched the areas in which the 668 00:49:02.920 --> 00:49:07.559 bodies were found but saw nothing, leading to suspicion that their bodies were planted 669 00:49:07.599 --> 00:49:13.320 there at a later time. This logic also applies to the Jack Davis Junior 670 00:49:13.360 --> 00:49:15.920 case, but the key difference is that while no one could really determine an 671 00:49:15.960 --> 00:49:21.880 exact cause of death for Kurt or Alonso, we've had differing opinions with Jack. 672 00:49:22.679 --> 00:49:25.360 It was initially believed that Jack choked on his own vomit, before doctor 673 00:49:25.360 --> 00:49:30.519 Cyril Wecht concluded that his death was the result of a brain hemorrhage caused by 674 00:49:30.559 --> 00:49:35.320 skull fractures. I would definitely concur with Wex's opinion on this one, and 675 00:49:35.400 --> 00:49:38.400 it's really troubling that no one bothered to open up the cranial vault of Jack's 676 00:49:38.400 --> 00:49:44.719 skull to perform a thorough examination before he was buried. If those fractures had 677 00:49:44.719 --> 00:49:46.920 been discovered the first time around, it could have changed the course of the 678 00:49:46.920 --> 00:49:52.199 original investigation, but it seemed like the authorities were content to write off Jack's 679 00:49:52.239 --> 00:49:55.440 death as a tragic accident and move on. The scary thing here is that 680 00:49:55.599 --> 00:50:00.800 Jack is everyone's son and daughter who goes to college. Right, Jack is 681 00:50:00.960 --> 00:50:06.280 doing really nothing out of the ordinary for a college kid, whether you're raised 682 00:50:06.360 --> 00:50:10.119 with the strictest morals or you are a wild child from the start. College 683 00:50:10.199 --> 00:50:14.760 is that time to explore, to make mistakes, to be a little risky, 684 00:50:14.880 --> 00:50:20.639 to have fun, and really like make new friends, explore who you 685 00:50:20.679 --> 00:50:24.440 are. Right, So Jack's doing that and he winds up dead in a 686 00:50:24.559 --> 00:50:30.840 stairwell. It's really scary because he's not you know, he could be any 687 00:50:30.880 --> 00:50:32.960 of our kids. He could be any of our friends. We all were 688 00:50:34.000 --> 00:50:37.159 in situations with friends in college or in our you know, after high school 689 00:50:37.239 --> 00:50:43.039 days where we did some really risky things and didn't lose our life. So 690 00:50:43.440 --> 00:50:46.719 it's it's hard to think about this case in that perspective. It could have 691 00:50:46.760 --> 00:50:50.679 been someone It could have been one of us or one of our kids. 692 00:50:51.199 --> 00:50:54.280 I also look at it, and I say, all it would have taken 693 00:50:54.679 --> 00:51:00.519 was university police saying, you know, should we look at any thing beyond 694 00:51:00.519 --> 00:51:04.000 an accident? Right, Yes, it is probably an accident when you find 695 00:51:04.039 --> 00:51:07.760 a child's body on campus, right, it's a student who passes away. 696 00:51:07.800 --> 00:51:10.960 Like I said, I immediately think it's a suicide or something horrific happened as 697 00:51:12.000 --> 00:51:15.159 an accident, so a car crash, or they fell off the stairwell or 698 00:51:15.159 --> 00:51:19.159 something at a party. But I don't think homicide. I really don't. 699 00:51:19.320 --> 00:51:23.440 And so when he's found, I don't even think there was malicious intent there. 700 00:51:23.480 --> 00:51:28.119 I think university police said, oh, man, a fraternity guy drank 701 00:51:28.159 --> 00:51:30.559 too much, hit his head. This is sad, and it's an accident. 702 00:51:30.880 --> 00:51:34.920 And then you have a family that says, but it's not. There's 703 00:51:34.920 --> 00:51:37.199 too many things that don't make sense. And because of the family, they 704 00:51:37.280 --> 00:51:44.000 hire this incredible doctor whact whose world renowned for major cases. He's done and 705 00:51:44.480 --> 00:51:49.280 he says, so many things were missed. If only right, if only 706 00:51:50.000 --> 00:51:52.760 X, Y and Z had happened, we would have known this about Jack, 707 00:51:52.800 --> 00:51:57.159 and even he could have still been alive. You have certain things had 708 00:51:57.159 --> 00:52:02.519 happened, so just very it's very upsetting, and just the fact that they 709 00:52:02.519 --> 00:52:06.599 didn't even bother to open the crania vault of his skull, like you think 710 00:52:06.599 --> 00:52:09.840 that would be standard procedure if you think that someone fell down some stairs, 711 00:52:09.960 --> 00:52:13.400 even if you think that he choked on his own vomit, don't you want 712 00:52:13.400 --> 00:52:15.000 to be a one hundred percent sure to make sure that he doesn't have any 713 00:52:15.039 --> 00:52:20.519 injuries that might be consistent with foul play. But yeah, you've disposed of 714 00:52:20.559 --> 00:52:23.000 his organs, but you didn't bother to open up his head. It's really 715 00:52:23.039 --> 00:52:29.199 confusing what they did decide to do and then what they didn't. So I 716 00:52:29.199 --> 00:52:30.599 think this would be a good point to bring an end to part one. 717 00:52:30.880 --> 00:52:35.199 But join us next week as we present part two of our series on the 718 00:52:35.320 --> 00:52:38.960 unexplained death of Jack Davis Junior. Robin, do you want to tell us 719 00:52:38.960 --> 00:52:43.599 a little bit about the Trail Went Cold Patreon? Yes, the Trail Cold 720 00:52:43.599 --> 00:52:47.159 Patreon has been around for three years now, and we offer these standard bonus 721 00:52:47.199 --> 00:52:52.119 features like early ad free episodes, and I also send out stickers and sign 722 00:52:52.239 --> 00:52:55.559 thank you cards to anyone who signs up with us on Patreon. If you 723 00:52:55.719 --> 00:53:00.880 join our five dollar tier Tier two. 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