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your ghost hosts, Scott and Julie. Hello, everyone, and welcome
back to the Paranormal Project. How are you, Julie? How are you
doing tonight? I'm doing good. Scott? How about you? We're both
just waiting on these storms to come in anytime now. I'm gonna have some
thunder and lightning. That's what we were saying before the show. If power
goes out, well, so long, it's been nice to know. Yeah,
Chanelle will have to sing a little bit or you know, oh poor
Chanelle. And just a little news for our listeners and we'll remind them next
week. Next week is our last show of the season. We are going
on hiatus for the summer, which is, to be honest with you,
I'm kind of excited because we've got a bunch of things planned. So it's
the last live show. I know we're gonna be putting out some some of
our other content, you know, using shows that we've had for the year,
and then we're poking out some exciting, exciting guests for next year.
So next week's the last live show, and I hope you'll join us.
We have a guest tonight. We have psychic medium Tammy. Christine Tammy is
coming all the way from Oklahoma City, California. She's a member of Afterlife
Paranormal in Oklahoma City, and she is also a member of the Warner of
the one of the Warren Legacy Foundation for Paranormal Researchers. You's gonna tell us
a little bit about that. So welcome to the show, Tammy. How
are you hi? How is everyone? We are doing great? Thank you
for joining us. Not to correct you, but you said I was in
Oklahoma City, California, and I'm telling you, I am off Oklahoma cities
in California. Start googling. Damn, I bet there's an Oklahoma City,
California. The thing, Julie knows enough not to make fun of me,
because there are enough little I'm tired of correcting the man. That's it.
It's done. Your viewers are going to be really confused. I mean,
thank you Lord. So I'm glad I didn't even catch that thing. I
did. I wanted to start singing the song Oklahoma from the musical right,
you know, Oh you don't know it, you do know? It shakes
his head that Oh it's just Julie Mangel, you know. And they're Timmy,
Welcome to the show. Welcome to the cre that we call the Paranormal
Project. You nice to be here. How did you start? I mean,
we're gonna talk about your mediumship first, because that's you know, how
does that begin for you? Have you done this your whole life? Has
it been a part of you know? You know I didn't. I haven't
done it my whole life. Um. I saw an apparition when I was
eight years old. Um, in my basement. I lived in a rural
part of Saint Louis called Barnhart and and there we have basements that kind of
all have walkout basements, so the way the land is, you know,
it kind of that goes down to where you can walk out of your basement,
but it's underground for the most part. And I'm just in my little
pink frilly pajamas playing with my sisters and started to walk across the room and
there's a man standing there and he's see through and I can see beyond him
the glass doors, the chain length link fence in my backyard, the grass,
and I'm trying to make sense of this, but you know, fear
flight comes into play, of course, and you're a child, you don't
know what you're seeing. So I ran up those stairs so fast to go
tell my mom and dad somebody was in our house. And the next thing
I knew, my dad's outside with you know, he's trying to find the
prowler, and my mom's got I mean, it was a big ordeal,
and nobody was around, and we lived in the country. It was kind
of out where if anybody were there, you would have known it that There's
no way they could have hidden or moved away that quickly, So it was
it was kind of an interesting ordeal. And of course everyone was like,
oh, it's your imagination, it's your imagination. So after that, there's
several other little things that occurred along the way in my childhood, and it
was always like, how did you know that was going to happen? Oh,
well, I you know, I don't know, Oh well, it's
coincidence. You know, so a lot of my childhood it was just kind
of, oh, we're gonna dismiss that, we're gonna dismiss it, or
you know, it's not a big deal. And and honestly I applauded my
parents for that because when I look back now and I think upon it,
it's probably a good thing because if they would have taken off with that and
said, like, oh my gosh, what you know, we've got paranormal
and like, they could have gone crazy with that, and we see that
so much in the residential paranormal world, where people just want to grasp onto
something as being negative or bad that occur, and then we're on the wrong
track. And you know, so it's nice that they didn't go that route.
Can you ever find out where the portal was in your house? But
I have a dollar. When I started working with Scott, I had said
to him, I've been investigating about fifteen years. Scott came aboard about three
years ago, and so I was sort of like his trainer. He was
my trainee, and I said to him at one point, I said,
Scott, if I had a dollar for every time a resident said to me
they have a portal in their home. I'd own an island in the south
of Pacific right now, Yeah, exactly. And you know what I mean,
who's to say there could be portals everywhere? How do we know,
like they come and go. I don't know lots of theories about portals,
right, but yeah, So I kind of started out seeing things and having
things happen as a child. As I came into my adulthood, I had
my grandmother was very influential in my life. She was part Native American.
She was very religious Pentecostal, you know, so there was a very loving,
caring, kind, sweet, generous woman. But she would always tell
me I'm going to come back and talk to you once I've passed, because
you're going to be able to handle it, and I'm going to give you
a message for your mom. And I never really knew what to take with
that. I just you know, as a conversation, you have it and
you kind of go, okay, Grandma and give me a hug. And
but she did. So I had the wonderful experience of sitting on a beach.
To take you back a little bit. To digress, my grandmother wanted
to go back to Hawaii very very badly. And my mom worked with a
airline, and so she had been there once with my mother and she was
in the hospital. She had had a cardiac arrest and they put her in
the hospital did surgery. They got her up really quick and had her start
walking through the halls. The day after her surgery, she had another massive
coronary episode and didn't make it. We were scheduled, my husband and I
to actually go to Hawaii like the next week for an anniversary trip. And
as we sat on the beach, fireworks are going off. People are everywhere.
There's loud noise, people's music playing, you know, you name it,
it's happening. It's all busy, very very loud, and abrupt,
abrupt, and you've got the beach crashing in And all of a sudden,
it was like I was in a complete void, like time stopped. There
was no noise, no air. It was like a void, and I
just felt this breeze on my ear and I heard her voice say, tell
your mother, it's beautiful here. I will see her again and I love
you all all and then all the noise came back, everything started being normal,
and I turned to my husband and I said, did you just hear
that silence. Did you just hear that? And of course he's, no,
what are you talking about. There's fireworks going off, like we're sitting
on a beach, there's people everywhere. So she did, in fact come
back and say, you know, tell me what she said, and that
was pretty profound. And I still yet wasn't on board. You know,
I still yet was a little bit skeptical, a little bit, you know,
prove it to me that these things are really happening, that I that
these abilities do exist. So basically, five years ago is when I really
kind of had an awakening, went down the rabbit hole and have been practicing
mediumships since. And my father passed, And this story is every time I
tell it, I gave goosebumps because it's just like it just happened ten seconds
ago. But I was laying in bed. He had terminal cancer. We
knew that was he was getting close. We had planned to go down the
very next morning, and I couldn't sleep. I was anxious. I wanted
to leave right thin. I just felt terrible, like having to wait twelve
hours to drive, but that was our plan. And as I'm laying there
feeling really anxious, I felt a presence in the room, and I felt
like somebody was there. And my dog got up from the end of the
corner of the bed and her and moved out of the way, as if
somebody had just moved him over, like very irritated. And I watched my
mattress rise up because it's one of those that the memory foam. When he
moved, it went up, and then I watched it go right back down
in the shape of hiny, someone's hiny. And I'm watching that and looking
at that, wide awake, knowing I'm wide awake, even talking to myself
like okay, someone pinched me. I know, I'm awake. I'm seeing
this what is happening, feeling that uncomfortable energy, and my phone rings takes
me out of the moment. It's my mom, my sister, my brother
in law, and they tell me that my father passed five minutes ago.
So then I started to cry, got upset. My husband said, you
know, what do you need me to do? I said nothing, I
just need to go talk to him. I just need to go have a
moment. And I went out to the living room, and this is where
it gets interesting. So I'm in the living room which is off the hallway
to my children's rooms, and we all sleep with our doors closed. It's,
you know, it's a false safety sense, I guess, like sleeping
with your door clothes. Do you guys do that? Yeah, it's like
don't put your foot outside the bed covers because right, yep, yep.
Right. So my I'm sitting there and just kind of saying, Dad,
I'm sorry I wasn't there. I feel terrible. My daughter's door swings,
and naturally I'm thinking, oh crude, I woke her up. Now I
got to go tell her that her grandpapass this is horrible. Walk down the
hall to kind of head her off. At the pass she's asleep in her
bed and the doors across the room and it's open. So as soon as
I get that, I'm like, wait a minute, my mattress, now
this. Then my son's music starts playing in his room and I'm like,
what is happening. It's like a bread crumb trail. So I go to
his room. He's asleep in bed, his phone is on the charger across
the room, and I'm like, what is going on? So I'm putting
it together kind of two by two, you know, just like, Okay,
this happened, and then this happened, and I'm getting it all together
and I'm thinking things, but I'm still not quite convinced. And my dad
was a Vietnam Vet. He always said, if you buy an expensive casket
and put me in it, I'm gonna be so mad in the afterlife because
I don't need that. My body's just get to disintegrate. I don't need
you to spend money on expensive Just put me in a box and put me
in the ground. And he said it all through my childhood, growing up,
even toward his last hour, And the song playing on my son's phone
was Alice in Chain's Man in the Box. Oh wow, I was just
I knew and instantly, you just know. And then I heard his voice
say you were right, and everyone else hear it? Or was it just
you that was hearing it? Hear what the music? And oh no,
it was yeah, it was playing, Yeah, it was it was everyone,
yes to everyone. Yeah. And then I heard his voice say you
were right, and I just knew. I knew right then and there that
this was my green light, this was my do what you've meant to do
your whole life. And it was his apology in a way because my father
always told me I was nuts. It was coincidence. He pooh pooed it
away, like, oh, there's an explanation. He didn't really believe in
the afterlife most of his life. He did get baptized and toward the very
and accepted God into his life, and so that was wonderful. And so
it's kind of his way to come back and say, hey, you were
right, it's all true. It's all true, and go for it because
I've been telling you now all your life and I want you to do it.
So I'm curious, Timmy, so now that you because I think when
we first open up it's a little more extreme, at least it was for
me. It was. It's so much more subtle now than it was.
But I sit down with you and you do a reading. Is it like
that for you now? Or is it very different the way that you receive
your information. No, it's completely different, completely different, not anything like
just I mean, I do still have things just come. They're just knowings,
they're just there like that. But I use and work with my spirit
guides, my angels, my guardians, and I work through them for everything.
But when I get information now. It's you know, it's like every
ti focal medium. It's either a clear clear sentient clairvoyant, you know,
it's it's all the different claires. I either see stuff with my third eye,
I can hear audibly, you know. Yeah, And it's just a
variety of things. And it's never the same every reading that I do,
it's never the same. One may be stronger than the other, depending on
I think it's depending on the spirit that's coming through and how they want to
communicate. But I also feel like it's the openness of the person that you're
sitting with when when when they are open, Yes, it's changes thing.
Now people will come and say, oh, I'm open, I want to
talk to my mother, but there is such a state of grief other you
knowe it is. It doesn't it's not the same right ones that are just
so bright eyed and accepting and ready. It changes the whole thing. Oh
it does. And I've experienced that a whole lot um I read. I
actually had a reading a couple of weeks ago. There was a girl that
wanted to bring a friend and her friend believed, but she was kind of
skeptical, and she actually was the one that wanted to do this, the
skeptical one, and her friend was the one getting the whole reading because she
was so open and everybody just wanted to come through. And I really struggled
with the skeptical one trying to get her to be just a little bit open.
But once I did, once I could get there, then it was
it kind of opened the floodgates. So you're absolutely right about that. It
has a lot, I think to do with your sitter and where they are
emotionally and able to receive or give well. And I also think the people
around you make a difference too. So sometimes I sit here and I'll do
a reading and it'll be okay, right, but you get the right person,
and it's amazing. When I was in Indiana with Dana. Now you're
friends with Dana, right, Yes, Dana Stricker. We love her.
When we were when we were in what is it you, Julie, Julie,
did you just hear that? I did? But it wasn't me.
I hear it now, I don't hear it now. I thought I heard
like a man's voice, like it like under breath. That's weird that you
don't you didn't hear it Timmy, No, but I Julie too. I
saw the look on Julie's face, but I'm hearing it at the same time,
and I'm thinking something going on at somebody walked in on you. And
then I noticed my arm. I went like this because I felt like I
was being touched. Well, and I'm getting all the goosebumps. Okay,
folk in the middle of a moment, we are also we now have a
huge thunder and lightning stoom going on here. So yeah, well and on
a side note, my home, my home has been hit by lightning three
times and me once. Oh I have I have a love hate thing with
energy. I guess. Wow. When we were in when we were in
Indiana, we were in a place where it wasn't just us. There were
healers and energy workers and the whole place was like buzzing with energy. So
I felt like every reading I did was just incredible. Yeah. We got
into the gallery and Dana said to this guy sitting in the back of the
room and he sits there like this, and she's telling him, you know,
you're a skeptic, and he's like, yeah, you're gonna He wasn't
a mean skeptic. But he was. He was a skeptic, you know,
and his grandmother came through in a reading. But he wouldn't acknowledge it.
Somebody else was trying to claim it. And I remember she you know,
it was pretty specific. It was, you know, she's here.
She would only take her picture. She would only take her picture if she
looked well, if she she wouldn't go out unless she was put together.
And once she was older in life she could get like that. She wouldn't
let anybody take her picture because she didn't like the way she looked. She'd
put her lipstick on. It was outside the lines. Oh and here's the
other thing is there's a she used to collect coat buttons, and you have
a box of her coat buttons. Nobody's saying that except for this woman sitting
over here. She's like, well, my mother, my grandmother used to
sew. And I'm like, I don't think so. After it was over,
he came up to me and he said, I have to admit,
I think you had my grandmother. She would never go out without her hair
done. She used to color outside the lines, her lips were never even.
And I have a box of all of her coat buttons and I went,
why don't you say something? I know, you know, I was
kind of afraid. Does she have a message for me? I'm like,
I don't know. I hung up the phone. Now passed, it's gone.
But it was kind of cool when you get that skeptic, that person,
he's a little skeptical, but that place was an interesting place. And
I think, you know, when we're talking about environment, I think that
makes a big difference. The person and the environment make a difference. I
agree with that. Really great. So you're doing it now and that's fantastic.
Yeah. Yeah. Do you travel? Do you do galleries and that
kind of thing? Um, I would love to start traveling and doing galleries.
I've done galleries here in the Oklahoma City area. I have not been
I haven't been on the Paracon circuit or out doing any kind of paracons or
things like that as of yet. And a lot of that is just because
of I'm in Oklahoma City, so it's you know, it's hard to get
to Ohio or Michigan or so. And I've got two children in college.
So yeah, California, California to you know, right, Yeah, oh
my god, yeah, you want to say, I mean, you're kind
of like stuck. Let me ask you this too, and I don't know
Oklahoma, Well is there is it? You know? It's funny because you
mentioned your grand mother being Pentecostal, and Pentecostal and Native American to me are
like the total opposite, know, you know, and clearly she was open
and understanding of what you were going through. But I thought you were going
to say the other way because she was Pentecostal, she was religious and couldn't
see your way through it. But that's really great. What's it like Oklahoma?
Is it very religious? Do they accept this or is it? Yeah?
It's it's that is that we are in the Bible Belt and it is
different here. Um, there are a lot of people like for instance,
just to share the story, I had had a board in a wood board
in my floor that needed repaired. And I'm also a local ghost hunter here
with afterlife paranormal investigations of Oklahoma, and so naturally my equipment is all in
that room, just kind of stored away, and it's you know, obvious
what it is if anyone's just looking. And he had come in to fix
my floor and he was very like, uh, what's that? Well that
goes hunting equipment. Oh oh, you know you're where you're going, right,
you know you're going straight to hell, right. I mean he literally
lost his mind because I had equipment. And I said, well, protection
is of utmost concern with me. I'm you know, I'm a medium,
and I'm I'm all about protecting and doing things the right way and not antagonizing.
And you know, there's just a lot of stuff that goes along with
this. But I thank you for your concern. And he of course said,
well, I don't know if I should be in this room with this
equipment or I mean, he was very, very paranoid just from being around
the equipment. So you have, yeah, I mean you've got people on
that side of the coin and you have people on the other side that are
like, you know, all this is awesome, but there is a lot
more controversy around here about it, just because of being in the Bible Belt
and the area we are. I mean there's a church every block here,
yep. I would think, So, how do you protect yourself? And
I'm going to give you a little hint. Ask Julie how she protects herself
during How do you protect yourself? Julie, Oh, serious, you make
one literary faux pa on podcast and mister Scott Allen will not let you forget
it. And I have no idea what we're talking about discuss that, oh
gunness. I mean there I where I use crystals. I'm a crystal enthusiast
and I do teach classes on crystals, and so I do use a lot
of crystals for protection, um, as well as just prayer. Prayer is
yes, absolutely necessary, yes, and protect yourself with white light. You
know, you can do all these things before you inner locations, and then
afterwards we sage ourselves typically, um, you know Paalo Santo sprays anything like
that that will cleanse your soul. That's what you need to do. And
you know, this is the thing that I find so incredible because I mean,
we all do this right. Julie is a psychic EmPATH as well.
I think that people don't understand at prayer and God huge huge and we do.
I'm not really you know right well exactly. Yes, there are a
lot of people that believe that anything and everything we do as mediums is dark
and we're getting all of our answers from the wrong side, you know,
the wrong side of things, and that's just if there's dark, there has
to be light. They go hand in hand. And I, you know,
just because we're doing the things we're doing and we're able to have these
communications with people that are loved ones that have ceased, doesn't mean we're getting
at all from the dark side. What about the light side? Right,
um Marie Ruth? As a question, and I think, what, um
Marie Ruth, I would questions. You said, prayer is important, but
what if someone isn't religious? Uh? I think what when I say prayer,
um, what I usually use the words I pray to my higher power.
And so whatever your high power is, how higher power is is where
you're going to ask for protection. And it has for me. It doesn't
have anything to do with an established religion or religious cult. It's just the
way that I like to live my life in um within you know, within
the means that I can. And I want to look back on my life
and say I was a good person. I tried very hard to be a
good person and treated people the way I want to be treated. And that's
what I think is important to my higher power. Right. And I think
to iterate, reiterate, and go back on not a little bit. Also,
we work with and I do a lot of residential investigating and I do
that as well with the War and Legacy Foundation for Paranormal Research, And in
doing so, we constantly are in consult with these people that live in these
homes. And it's not about driving a religion onto you for protection. It's
what is your religion? What is your faith based? And if you don't
have a faith based, you can pretty your guardian angels. You can just
pray for you know, I am light, I am love, I am
whole, I am peaceful, whatever it is to make yourself cleansed well.
And you know, Timmy, if you go to a house and there are
it's a Jewish, let's just say it's a Jewish thing as an example,
right, They're not going to pray to Jesus, No, they're not.
You know, you have to. It's important exactly any home investigation, I've
always one of the questions is are you religious or do you have a religion?
Do you have a higher power us? Every time yes, And now
what I will tell you, We've had this happen and this was a case
that I just recently worked finished working and here in Oklamath City, area,
and I won't divulge any you know, proprietary information, of course, But
we had a couple that needed help, and we went in and we kind
of immediately kind of figured out what we thought was going on, and we
instituted, you know, this is what we're going to do. This,
we're gonna how we're going to deal with it, and we're going to teach
these people. We're going to empower them to cleanse their home and to do
these things according to their beliefs their religion. And we had the couple.
One of them told us their religion and the other one hid it from us
because they were different. So as we went about trying to help them through
Christianity, which was what she said she was, then the other we didn't
know, practiced a different thing. So it would work, and then it
would kind of go back and you know, go back and forth. And
I finally said, is there anything I'm missing? Like what are we missing?
What you know is are you guys both same faith based or not?
And she said I didn't want to say because I didn't know how you would
accept his and he is, I'm a Norse pagan and she was she was
thinking that we would not, you know, we were going to be those
Oklahoma people that don't think those kind of things are Okay, let's see why
she would think that. Yeah, yeah, where you are, Yes,
But every religion deals with these kind of things differently, and you have if
you're not. If you're trying to deal with something and it's not your your
religion or your belief system, it's not going to work. So you have
to believe what you're doing or it is just simply not going to work.
So philosophically, and this just I was just thinking this as you were talking.
Is it even possible to have a haunting, to know that it's a
haunting, to know or feel it or something there, but be an atheist?
I think so. I think so because so atheists you don't believe in
God, but you must still be leaving that there's something beyond this life.
Right, It's hard to kind of separate the two a little bit. Well,
I have a friend who is an atheist, a very good friend who
is an atheist, but she also believes in spirit, right, So it's
not like she doesn't think, well, you die, that's the end of
it. It's black, right, But it's not this this being, So
who would an eight I mean, and again you know who would an atheist
if they don't have that? Who would you know? Right? And that
that that I think is where you would instill them to pray to the guardian
angel, get guardian angel or you know, the higher realm, the you
know, beings or whomever to come protect them. Yeah, it's very powerful,
pow. I find guardian angels are very very powerful. I had.
We all have them, we all do. And growing up, I always
thought, you know, Catholic religion. I grew up very you know,
Catholic um, we all have a guardian angel. And I was on a
home investigation and we had a very very talented psychic. And whenever I would
go on a especially a home investigation, I would do the white light.
I would pray to my higher power and I would also ask for protection from
my guardian angel. And so but I would feel as though I was surrounded
by a guardian angel. And I remember, you know, in your mind,
you think, wow, this is this is a really large angel or
something. And Deirdre had looked at me to introduced herself to everyone, and
she stopped and she looked at me and she said, oh, my you
have a lot of protection. And I said, what are you seeing and
she said, I see your guardian angels And I said there are more than
one and she said, well, Han, you have three. And we
had a conversation about it and I said, growing up, I assumed we
only only had one. And she said, you have as many as you
need. You're given as many as you need. So I guess because I
dabble in this stuff, I need extra. Yeah, I mean I believe
that. And that deals with our mediumship too, Scott, Like, if
we need if there's somebody, for instance, that you know there's like something
medical going on, we can call on our spirit guides as to call in
someone that has medical knowledge. So those kind of things where you can call
in spirit guides to deal with certain areas that you don't have knowledge, that's
interesting. It's it's funny though, because I know Dana does that. She's
a medical intuitive and I never I don't think of myself that way because I
always feel like spirit uses your complete lifetime of experience. So if you've experienced
it, they can use it, right, you know, they show you
anything. But if it's something that you know nothing about, I don't know
how that comes through, do you know what I mean? Like you've never
even conceived of it. They would have to show it to you a different
way. It's just it's just an interesting thing, you know what I mean.
Like I I will get things sometimes like, oh my god, tell
Johnny you better watch his sweets. He's the diabetic, right or something like
that, you know, And they's like, oh, yeah, he's a
diabetic and he's always cheating on his But I don't get things like Dana will
say, you know, look behind your eye, there's an ottery and it
looks like there's a little bit of a little stroke behind the eye, and
it's I mean, I don't get stuff like that. And maybe it's just
I've never experimented, but I don't get things like that. I do.
I do ask, you know, all the time. Listen, guys,
tomorrow's a reading. You know. I've got a couple of readings. Can
you help me out, oh, Archangel, Michael Raphael, my GUIDs,
you know, whoever, you know. I'll take all the help I can
get it because I always feel like, you know, if you guys go
for lunch, I'm up a creek. I can't do anything. You know,
well, that's exactly it. I do that too, and it's because
it's it's not us. We are just the vessel, that's it. It's
like you're the telephone. Correct, nobody can call you if the phone's not
there. Yeah, you know, And sometimes deciding deciphering those messages is difficult.
Sometimes you're like, I don't know why I'm seeing this and being given
I don't have a clue, like what does this mean? And you have
to trust yourself to say it and yeah, because nine times out of ten
they're going to know exactly what you're talking about, and to you, it
makes no sense. And I think that's where, especially early on, you
run into this whole confidence thing, because you're sitting there your brain kicks in
and thinks, well, that's really dumb. I don't want to tell them
that. So why is it? Why am I getting there's a horse in
the road, Julie, there's a horse in the road. Yeah, so
what happened? And it turned out that someone in the gallery had a horse
that they were mourning over. It's crazy stuff, you know, I mean,
and pets do come through. I've had a couple of readings where all
of a sudden there's a dog that isn't there, but I can see it.
And I've said, did you guys lose a dog? Does it look
like this? Yes? Can you see? You know? And I'm like,
uh, playing with your other dog over there, yep, hanging out.
It's just it's just amazing, how the information, how you get it,
or how we get it. I should say, you know, it's
just amazing. And I guess the more you trust, the better it is.
It's never one hund you always gonna get something, says I have no
idea. Yep, me either. I'm only saying it. It's what I'm
seeing and I'm giving it to you. But maybe you'll make sense later on.
I don't know, but that's just how it is. Yeah, yeah,
and try and I do not try to understand it. I used to
try to understand it so much, like I need to know how this works,
why this works. No, you don't. You don't need to know.
Just do it? Do you think too? Because this is my thing?
Right? So I do a few galleries. I've I've tried, you
know, booking some house parties, and I've done some you know what I
mean. I haven't done one in a while, but I always feel like,
you know, as I said before, if they go for lunch,
I don't have. It's not my power, do you know what I mean?
Like, oh, right here I am. It's from the fifty people.
Where'd you go? You know? I mean it always comes through.
But it's not like learning to play the piano, where someone could teach you
how to play a piano. Then as long as they give you a piano,
you can sit down in front of a group and at least play something
you know because you've learned it. This you can't learn. You can learn
how to trust it and maybe fine tune what you get a little bit.
But at the end of the day, if they say to you, nope,
gifts, we're taking the gift back. It's done. That's it.
There's no way to make it work. And for me, that's always been
something that that is a little bit difficult to manage. That's why I like
to do galleries with other people. I love doing it that way. I
just it's not that I had to rely on her, but it takes the
pressure off. Yeah, I haven't done any yet. I have one coming
up in July that I'll be doing like that, so that'll be fun because
I've been wanting to do that. Yeah, and I've watched a million of
them, you know, and they it always seems to like everybody kind of
and I know people can piggyback off each other in that way too, Like
you get a bunch of mediums in a room, all of a sudden you're
doing a reading. I mean, it's like this person gets this piece,
this person gets this piece, this person gets this piece, and then I'll
all of a sudden they all connect and you're like, whoa. It's certainly
I think it can be even easier than a private reading. I think depending
upon you know, because you've got so much energy in the room that right
there's something coming through, and the energy is the key. I mean,
I am convinced one hundred percent that energy is the key to all of this.
So when you have low energy and you've got something you have to go
do, even just a private reading, I mean you're you're like, ooh,
I don't know if I'm gonna be able to pull this off today,
Like I'm not feeling it. It's you know, and that's when I do
go to my angels guides, everybody, I need you on board. Let's
go do this, you know, you know, you get a phone call
right before that sets you off whatever it is. Yeah, exactly, you
know a bad crowd. Yeah, it's a smaller Galllerie and you have a
bad crowd or there's a you know, a minority of people that are just
not acting or behaving the way they should and it sort of ripples through the
crowd, which has happened once and it's it's tough. It's tough to get
through that because they can bring the energy of the whole crowd, but there's
just energy is gone. Yes, exactly. You're a bunch of women who
were drinking, they had nips, they were they were not acting appropriately,
and it affected other people in the room. They were afraid to talk and
so it really just changed the energy. Yeah, definitely. I want to
spend a few minutes because we have oh maybe about nine minutes, ten minutes
not believe it or not. I want to talk about the Warren Legacy Foundation.
Okay, yes, that was about that a little bit, sure,
absolutely so. Chris McKinnell is the director of the Warren Legacy Foundation for Paranormal
Research, and he is the grandson of Lorraine Warren, the famous ad in
Lorraine Warren Um. He started this as a means to help residential paranormal anomalies.
Basically, so people are all over the world constantly reaching out to people.
You know, hey, I've got this going on in my home.
And we talked about it earlier. We know there are a lot of teams
out there that are they're not in it for the right reason. They're not
in it to help people. They're in it to go experience the paranormal you
know, happenings and then walk away with you know, a tape or be
on TV or get a show or you know, whatever it is, whatever
the motive or their drive is. And you know, and then there's a
lot of teams that are very legit and they do baseline readings and they go
in and they have a protocol and they have you signed waivers and they you
know, they want they want to really help you and find out what's going
on in your home, is it paranormal or not? And the main thing
there is debunking, Right, so if we have something happen, you know,
like lights are flickering in the home, well, Warren Foundation, we
want to make sure that everything can be ruled out first before we say yes
it is, it's paranormal. So we take everybody, take these residential cases
that come to us, and you can go to Warren Legacy Foundation for Paramorormal
Research on the internet on the website and you can just do a help There's
a help button if you have something going on. And we're actually nationwide,
so we have people in all the states. We have different regions, we
have regional directors. We're very organized in that fashion of having you know,
everybody has a job to do, and then we have teams everywhere in those
regions. We even are in South America, you know, Central America,
Spain, Australia, New Zealand. We have a presence pretty much everywhere,
and all people basically fill out that help but they do that help thing,
fill out a form, it comes to us. We then take their case
and I'm also an administrative assistant for them, so I'm the one that receives
all the cases or I'm sorry, I'm the one that receives all the applicants.
Another admin of mine receives the cases. We both work together for the
foundation. You can also join as a member if you have paranormal investigation experience
for residences and that's on the website as well. And so we're just a
group of people that are literally concerned with helping people and not making everything the
second that you come to us, Oh yeah, this is terrible, this
is horrible. We got a problem here, you know, burn the house
down kind of thing. We want to make sure and find out and try
to ease people's minds and make them understand that some of this stuff isn't necessarily
paranormal. And if it is, we've have that too all the time,
then we are equipped to deal with it. So I have to say,
I'm more afraid of what appears to be some of the mental illness that's out
there, and that's you know, there are things that go on, there
are things that people tell us, and it's frightening, Like I'm not ready
to I'm not going to go run off into somebody's house and you don't even
know what you know? Do you have? Is there a group within the
group that deals with that aspect of it? Is there any kind of a
psychological We do have parapsychologists, psychologists. We have a lot of people in
the War and Foundation that have doctorates that are PhDs. We have priests,
we have bishops. We have a lot of different realms covered when it comes
to those kind of careers, and we do actually have protocols where mental illness
is a huge problem and if there is a suspicion of that, we will
have them see a doctor, do a psyche valve just to rule that out,
so that we can get that ruled out and move on to where we
need to help them. Right. I think that's really important for everybody,
you know, for them And Julie, you had told a story about two
and it wasn't. I don't it was not mental illness, but but you
know, even things like EMF can make you oh yeah, oh absolutely,
it'll create a fearcage. I mean, it's so important. We when I
was on a team that we had a young man on the team who was
a licensed home inspector, which was great because he walked into one home and
you know the problem was there was mold, right, and the couple.
The wife she said she would feel sick, she'd stay home, she'd feel
even sicker next day, she'd make herself go to work and she felt okay,
So she thought the house was haunted and he just went and he found
mold another time there was basically it was a very old house and the washing
and dry it was in the cellar, and she hated to go down to.
You know, some people call them basements honestly here, you know,
in Boston, they're sellers. These houses are old, they're not basements.
They are sellers. And you walk down there and you have a dirt floora
maybe a cement floor, and the wiring was so old and so re rigged
over and over again. The EMF was off, literally off the charts.
Yeah, it probably wasn't grounded properly and there was just so much wiring that
was rewired. And let's face it, you know, in Boston, New
England, we have Yankees who don't like to pay money and if they do
fix it themselves, they certainly are going to And this was the house that
her father had done most of the fixing himself, and it was literally a
fair cage down there. It was just crazy how crazy the MF was there.
And it can make you very very sick, can make you hallucinate.
Yeah, it's just very great. We've had a couple of cases like that
that have actually been people that have called us from apartment complexes and they're on
the end of a unit and right outside their wall will be all the electrical
for that whole building, and the EMF is off the charts and they,
you know, and they're hallucinating or they're seeing things and it's like, well,
your em is, you know, way too high. So yeah,
it's it does. It does create that kind of a fearcage, as you
said, have you noticed that in pets. How does it affect animals?
I think it does. I think animals are more susceptible to it than we
are. I'll tell you. I had a call from down this is this
man called me from California. They're real California, and he was having some
issues with his cats. Now, this guy is he's not a random person.
His mother is a client of mine and I know it. She lives
here in Boston and he's over there. She asked if I would talk them.
He doesn't experience anything, so he doesn't feel anything. There's nothing out
of the ordinary. But it's always the cats in one corner of the room
and they're like this, and they watch and they watch, and they'll sit
there and they'll just watch. And I asked him what was outside the window
because he's they're right by the window, whatever room it was, and they
have these huge high tension wires and these boxes right outside of the big gray
boxes right outside the window. And I said, right, you know that
might be it. I mean, you can try getting a meter and see
if it's higher. He's not experiencing anything, but I would think the animals
maybe just sensitive enough to be picking up whatever it is that they're picking up
in there. Yeah, definitely. And you know, another thing, and
when we investigate, and it's it's always sad when you have to go back
to a family and tell him, you know, no, it's not paranormal.
It's rodents. Yes, happened. We we we've had a home where
they thought they were having activity and our equipment kept going off and we thought
they were having activity. And when you go back and review, you see
this little tale and these two b d eyes and sure enough, it was
just mice, That's what it was. And it's it's nice to be able
to tell a family that kind of thing and debunk something in that manner and
you know, get them back on the right track. It's also a horrible
position to have to be in to tell a family, Hey guys, but
at least you can make it go away. Yet some dcon you're all you're
all say, I think that's you know, It's just I think there's so
much on TV that people just think this is you know, and some shows
kind of exasperate, exacerbating everything's you know whatever, right, And I know
in the Warren Foundation we have we literally will see there'll be a new television
show comes out and we have a we have a surge in cases all of
a sudden, and it's just kind of like hand in hand, you know,
So there is something to it, I know, I mean, and
that's just natural. That's that's humanity, that's normal. You know, the
more you see, the more you know kind of thing, and you naturally
would gravitate to think that's it. Yea, it makes sense. Um,
Timmy, we have a little over five minutes left of the show, so
I want to first of all, I want to say, I know you
are doing another show after this and it's Warren Legacy Foundation, Yet, because
I think this has been a really interesting conversation. Where can they continue to
watch you because you're going at uh it's eight o'clock's eastern, right, Um,
so yeah, if they just go on Facebook and google the Warren files,
they should be able to fight it files. And we're talking about protection
tonight, guys. That's what we're talking about, psychic protection and all the
kinds of protection that need to happen for mediums, for people in general.
Psychic protection. We like to surround ourselves with golden light. Yes, beautiful
iridescent golden light. Golden light and and what do you do an hour show?
Is that what it is? And yeah? Good, so we'll check
that out. And um, what is I'm just looking here someone's writing and
what if syndrome? What is that? Antem? What did you mean by
that? Or what is that? Was that in referring it? Was that
referring to Um, I'm not sure sure? Or either what if syndrome?
If you see this something real quick, because I'm not familiar with that.
Yeah, I don't know what that is? You know? What if me?
What does that mean? What if me? What if me? What
if me? I know we're all psychic, but I'm still not getting it.
Yeah, okay, are you? Is he Tom? Is he trying
to say? What if he has been taken over by a ghost? Is
that what he's trying to talk to say, I'm not sure. I'm not
sure. What if me? What if? What if it's you? In
other words, what if it's the person and not the house? Is that
what you're saying? In other words, if it's that feels like, yeah,
possession or oppression? Yeah. Oh, the shows, the shows bring
out Oh it could be me. I see what you're saying. Yeah,
yeah, yeah, because the show. Yeah, because the shows are so
extreme sometimes, right, absolutely, you know, yes, yes, and
how many times? I mean, Scott, one of the last interviews that
you did we did together. They wanted a home investigation done and we always
do a pre interview and we were doing it on Zoom, and basically it
was just someone who had made poor life decisions their entire lives, and instead
of taking on the full responsibility of what they of making these poor decisions,
they had come to the conclusion that they were possessed, or there was a
demon following them, or they had a curse on them. It was kind
of sad, but there wasn't a whole lot, you know, it was
obvious what was going on. So basically, you know, to let them,
we just said to them, well, why don't you start documenting things,
get a notebook and start documenting, and we will get back to you.
And we did two weeks later. They never answered the calls, so
they just wanted to be told that what was happening in their lives was not
their faults. Honestly, when they think some too like, oh, we're
going to get to do what they do on TV, so we'll call someone,
they'll come in and we get to be a part of that. I
really think that could be part of it too. That's a big part of
it. And we have a lot of people that ask for help and then
we try to help them, and that's their first question and their last question
every time we talk to them through zoom or anything else. That's when are
you coming out? When are you coming out? And it's like, we
need to empower you first to handle this because right now you're running around with
your head with a chicken cut off, you know, acting like this is
all everything's crazy and you're scared, and that's not helping. That's the worst
thing people can actually do when they feel like they have paranormal right is start
to fear it because it will escalate absolutely. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
And we've all been in some insanely haunted places that then nothing happens, exactly
nothing, you know. And granted, if you're living in the house,
it's it's you know, but you're not living in an asylum. You're not
living in a you know, I mean still your home. What's your living
room with your things? But you know, I think that you just have
to it's it's yeah, I would as an investigator, I'd want to know
what I was getting myself into. You know. We've had people claim that
they are inanimate objects, are possessed their roles of paper, towels, there,
there, whatever it is, and it is right. It's a little
bit. I can't help you with that stuff, do you know what I
mean? John Zapfis, he has this music, he'll he'll surround it with
salt. It'll take your exact anybody. Tammy, I want to thank you
for being here show. It's been an absolute pleasure. And Julie d seeing
you. Thanks for joining us and we'll see you next week on The Paranormal
Project. Have a good night, Danny, have a good night. You
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