1 00:00:11,039 --> 00:00:17,960 Welcome. We Ain't afraid of no ghosts. This is your number one podcast 2 00:00:18,039 --> 00:00:23,879 for googlies and ghosties and long legged beasties, bringing you everything you need to 3 00:00:23,920 --> 00:00:29,079 know about things that go plump in the night and interviewing the personalities behind them. 4 00:00:29,760 --> 00:00:34,399 Make sure your doors and windows are locked. Now Here are your hosts, 5 00:00:34,679 --> 00:00:43,880 your ghost hosts, Scott and Julie. Hello, everyone, and welcome 6 00:00:43,920 --> 00:00:46,679 back to the Paranormal Project. How are you, Julie? How are you 7 00:00:46,719 --> 00:00:51,119 doing tonight? I'm doing good. Scott? How about you? We're both 8 00:00:51,200 --> 00:00:54,479 just waiting on these storms to come in anytime now. I'm gonna have some 9 00:00:55,000 --> 00:00:58,759 thunder and lightning. That's what we were saying before the show. If power 10 00:00:58,840 --> 00:01:06,359 goes out, well, so long, it's been nice to know. Yeah, 11 00:01:06,560 --> 00:01:08,319 Chanelle will have to sing a little bit or you know, oh poor 12 00:01:08,439 --> 00:01:15,640 Chanelle. And just a little news for our listeners and we'll remind them next 13 00:01:15,640 --> 00:01:19,000 week. Next week is our last show of the season. We are going 14 00:01:19,000 --> 00:01:23,159 on hiatus for the summer, which is, to be honest with you, 15 00:01:23,200 --> 00:01:26,599 I'm kind of excited because we've got a bunch of things planned. So it's 16 00:01:26,640 --> 00:01:34,319 the last live show. I know we're gonna be putting out some some of 17 00:01:34,319 --> 00:01:37,319 our other content, you know, using shows that we've had for the year, 18 00:01:37,599 --> 00:01:41,200 and then we're poking out some exciting, exciting guests for next year. 19 00:01:41,599 --> 00:01:44,959 So next week's the last live show, and I hope you'll join us. 20 00:01:45,840 --> 00:01:52,560 We have a guest tonight. We have psychic medium Tammy. Christine Tammy is 21 00:01:52,599 --> 00:01:57,719 coming all the way from Oklahoma City, California. She's a member of Afterlife 22 00:01:57,719 --> 00:02:02,239 Paranormal in Oklahoma City, and she is also a member of the Warner of 23 00:02:02,560 --> 00:02:07,319 the one of the Warren Legacy Foundation for Paranormal Researchers. You's gonna tell us 24 00:02:07,319 --> 00:02:10,520 a little bit about that. So welcome to the show, Tammy. How 25 00:02:10,560 --> 00:02:16,520 are you hi? How is everyone? We are doing great? Thank you 26 00:02:16,560 --> 00:02:21,120 for joining us. Not to correct you, but you said I was in 27 00:02:21,159 --> 00:02:29,560 Oklahoma City, California, and I'm telling you, I am off Oklahoma cities 28 00:02:29,599 --> 00:02:38,439 in California. Start googling. Damn, I bet there's an Oklahoma City, 29 00:02:38,520 --> 00:02:43,080 California. The thing, Julie knows enough not to make fun of me, 30 00:02:43,240 --> 00:02:49,159 because there are enough little I'm tired of correcting the man. That's it. 31 00:02:49,159 --> 00:02:57,599 It's done. Your viewers are going to be really confused. I mean, 32 00:02:58,400 --> 00:03:05,879 thank you Lord. So I'm glad I didn't even catch that thing. I 33 00:03:06,039 --> 00:03:12,120 did. I wanted to start singing the song Oklahoma from the musical right, 34 00:03:12,520 --> 00:03:23,840 you know, Oh you don't know it, you do know? It shakes 35 00:03:23,960 --> 00:03:30,520 his head that Oh it's just Julie Mangel, you know. And they're Timmy, 36 00:03:30,560 --> 00:03:34,520 Welcome to the show. Welcome to the cre that we call the Paranormal 37 00:03:34,560 --> 00:03:38,680 Project. You nice to be here. How did you start? I mean, 38 00:03:39,159 --> 00:03:43,319 we're gonna talk about your mediumship first, because that's you know, how 39 00:03:43,319 --> 00:03:45,560 does that begin for you? Have you done this your whole life? Has 40 00:03:45,599 --> 00:03:47,520 it been a part of you know? You know I didn't. I haven't 41 00:03:47,520 --> 00:03:52,319 done it my whole life. Um. I saw an apparition when I was 42 00:03:52,439 --> 00:03:55,759 eight years old. Um, in my basement. I lived in a rural 43 00:03:55,879 --> 00:04:01,520 part of Saint Louis called Barnhart and and there we have basements that kind of 44 00:04:01,560 --> 00:04:05,080 all have walkout basements, so the way the land is, you know, 45 00:04:05,080 --> 00:04:09,120 it kind of that goes down to where you can walk out of your basement, 46 00:04:09,199 --> 00:04:14,120 but it's underground for the most part. And I'm just in my little 47 00:04:14,240 --> 00:04:18,959 pink frilly pajamas playing with my sisters and started to walk across the room and 48 00:04:18,959 --> 00:04:24,600 there's a man standing there and he's see through and I can see beyond him 49 00:04:24,720 --> 00:04:29,839 the glass doors, the chain length link fence in my backyard, the grass, 50 00:04:29,959 --> 00:04:32,399 and I'm trying to make sense of this, but you know, fear 51 00:04:32,519 --> 00:04:36,000 flight comes into play, of course, and you're a child, you don't 52 00:04:36,000 --> 00:04:41,160 know what you're seeing. So I ran up those stairs so fast to go 53 00:04:41,199 --> 00:04:44,199 tell my mom and dad somebody was in our house. And the next thing 54 00:04:44,240 --> 00:04:46,639 I knew, my dad's outside with you know, he's trying to find the 55 00:04:46,680 --> 00:04:50,439 prowler, and my mom's got I mean, it was a big ordeal, 56 00:04:51,079 --> 00:04:56,560 and nobody was around, and we lived in the country. It was kind 57 00:04:56,560 --> 00:04:59,759 of out where if anybody were there, you would have known it that There's 58 00:04:59,800 --> 00:05:04,120 no way they could have hidden or moved away that quickly, So it was 59 00:05:04,279 --> 00:05:10,079 it was kind of an interesting ordeal. And of course everyone was like, 60 00:05:10,199 --> 00:05:15,519 oh, it's your imagination, it's your imagination. So after that, there's 61 00:05:15,759 --> 00:05:18,959 several other little things that occurred along the way in my childhood, and it 62 00:05:19,000 --> 00:05:21,879 was always like, how did you know that was going to happen? Oh, 63 00:05:21,920 --> 00:05:25,720 well, I you know, I don't know, Oh well, it's 64 00:05:25,759 --> 00:05:30,160 coincidence. You know, so a lot of my childhood it was just kind 65 00:05:30,199 --> 00:05:32,560 of, oh, we're gonna dismiss that, we're gonna dismiss it, or 66 00:05:32,879 --> 00:05:38,040 you know, it's not a big deal. And and honestly I applauded my 67 00:05:38,120 --> 00:05:41,680 parents for that because when I look back now and I think upon it, 68 00:05:42,240 --> 00:05:46,480 it's probably a good thing because if they would have taken off with that and 69 00:05:46,600 --> 00:05:48,120 said, like, oh my gosh, what you know, we've got paranormal 70 00:05:48,199 --> 00:05:51,120 and like, they could have gone crazy with that, and we see that 71 00:05:51,439 --> 00:05:57,759 so much in the residential paranormal world, where people just want to grasp onto 72 00:05:57,839 --> 00:06:00,839 something as being negative or bad that occur, and then we're on the wrong 73 00:06:00,920 --> 00:06:06,240 track. And you know, so it's nice that they didn't go that route. 74 00:06:06,439 --> 00:06:13,639 Can you ever find out where the portal was in your house? But 75 00:06:13,759 --> 00:06:19,439 I have a dollar. When I started working with Scott, I had said 76 00:06:19,480 --> 00:06:25,399 to him, I've been investigating about fifteen years. Scott came aboard about three 77 00:06:25,480 --> 00:06:28,319 years ago, and so I was sort of like his trainer. He was 78 00:06:28,399 --> 00:06:30,240 my trainee, and I said to him at one point, I said, 79 00:06:30,319 --> 00:06:35,759 Scott, if I had a dollar for every time a resident said to me 80 00:06:35,839 --> 00:06:40,319 they have a portal in their home. I'd own an island in the south 81 00:06:40,360 --> 00:06:44,680 of Pacific right now, Yeah, exactly. And you know what I mean, 82 00:06:45,040 --> 00:06:46,600 who's to say there could be portals everywhere? How do we know, 83 00:06:46,879 --> 00:06:56,920 like they come and go. I don't know lots of theories about portals, 84 00:06:57,439 --> 00:07:00,160 right, but yeah, So I kind of started out seeing things and having 85 00:07:00,240 --> 00:07:05,399 things happen as a child. As I came into my adulthood, I had 86 00:07:05,560 --> 00:07:11,040 my grandmother was very influential in my life. She was part Native American. 87 00:07:11,639 --> 00:07:17,439 She was very religious Pentecostal, you know, so there was a very loving, 88 00:07:17,600 --> 00:07:21,519 caring, kind, sweet, generous woman. But she would always tell 89 00:07:21,600 --> 00:07:26,759 me I'm going to come back and talk to you once I've passed, because 90 00:07:27,120 --> 00:07:29,720 you're going to be able to handle it, and I'm going to give you 91 00:07:29,800 --> 00:07:32,759 a message for your mom. And I never really knew what to take with 92 00:07:32,920 --> 00:07:35,360 that. I just you know, as a conversation, you have it and 93 00:07:35,360 --> 00:07:38,519 you kind of go, okay, Grandma and give me a hug. And 94 00:07:39,160 --> 00:07:45,439 but she did. So I had the wonderful experience of sitting on a beach. 95 00:07:46,199 --> 00:07:49,199 To take you back a little bit. To digress, my grandmother wanted 96 00:07:49,240 --> 00:07:54,439 to go back to Hawaii very very badly. And my mom worked with a 97 00:07:54,519 --> 00:07:59,319 airline, and so she had been there once with my mother and she was 98 00:07:59,360 --> 00:08:03,519 in the hospital. She had had a cardiac arrest and they put her in 99 00:08:03,560 --> 00:08:07,279 the hospital did surgery. They got her up really quick and had her start 100 00:08:07,360 --> 00:08:11,319 walking through the halls. The day after her surgery, she had another massive 101 00:08:11,399 --> 00:08:18,240 coronary episode and didn't make it. We were scheduled, my husband and I 102 00:08:18,399 --> 00:08:24,079 to actually go to Hawaii like the next week for an anniversary trip. And 103 00:08:24,639 --> 00:08:28,959 as we sat on the beach, fireworks are going off. People are everywhere. 104 00:08:28,120 --> 00:08:33,080 There's loud noise, people's music playing, you know, you name it, 105 00:08:33,200 --> 00:08:35,679 it's happening. It's all busy, very very loud, and abrupt, 106 00:08:35,720 --> 00:08:39,759 abrupt, and you've got the beach crashing in And all of a sudden, 107 00:08:39,840 --> 00:08:45,279 it was like I was in a complete void, like time stopped. There 108 00:08:45,399 --> 00:08:48,840 was no noise, no air. It was like a void, and I 109 00:08:48,000 --> 00:08:54,519 just felt this breeze on my ear and I heard her voice say, tell 110 00:08:54,600 --> 00:08:58,600 your mother, it's beautiful here. I will see her again and I love 111 00:08:58,639 --> 00:09:03,559 you all all and then all the noise came back, everything started being normal, 112 00:09:03,600 --> 00:09:07,919 and I turned to my husband and I said, did you just hear 113 00:09:07,000 --> 00:09:11,240 that silence. Did you just hear that? And of course he's, no, 114 00:09:11,480 --> 00:09:15,120 what are you talking about. There's fireworks going off, like we're sitting 115 00:09:16,039 --> 00:09:18,759 on a beach, there's people everywhere. So she did, in fact come 116 00:09:18,799 --> 00:09:22,960 back and say, you know, tell me what she said, and that 117 00:09:22,279 --> 00:09:28,440 was pretty profound. And I still yet wasn't on board. You know, 118 00:09:28,559 --> 00:09:31,480 I still yet was a little bit skeptical, a little bit, you know, 119 00:09:31,600 --> 00:09:35,799 prove it to me that these things are really happening, that I that 120 00:09:35,919 --> 00:09:41,720 these abilities do exist. So basically, five years ago is when I really 121 00:09:41,840 --> 00:09:45,200 kind of had an awakening, went down the rabbit hole and have been practicing 122 00:09:45,399 --> 00:09:52,279 mediumships since. And my father passed, And this story is every time I 123 00:09:52,360 --> 00:09:54,519 tell it, I gave goosebumps because it's just like it just happened ten seconds 124 00:09:54,559 --> 00:09:58,360 ago. But I was laying in bed. He had terminal cancer. We 125 00:09:58,480 --> 00:10:03,039 knew that was he was getting close. We had planned to go down the 126 00:10:03,200 --> 00:10:09,120 very next morning, and I couldn't sleep. I was anxious. I wanted 127 00:10:09,120 --> 00:10:13,360 to leave right thin. I just felt terrible, like having to wait twelve 128 00:10:13,399 --> 00:10:18,720 hours to drive, but that was our plan. And as I'm laying there 129 00:10:20,399 --> 00:10:24,440 feeling really anxious, I felt a presence in the room, and I felt 130 00:10:24,480 --> 00:10:28,360 like somebody was there. And my dog got up from the end of the 131 00:10:28,440 --> 00:10:31,919 corner of the bed and her and moved out of the way, as if 132 00:10:31,039 --> 00:10:37,480 somebody had just moved him over, like very irritated. And I watched my 133 00:10:37,559 --> 00:10:41,519 mattress rise up because it's one of those that the memory foam. When he 134 00:10:41,679 --> 00:10:45,039 moved, it went up, and then I watched it go right back down 135 00:10:45,320 --> 00:10:50,279 in the shape of hiny, someone's hiny. And I'm watching that and looking 136 00:10:50,320 --> 00:10:54,279 at that, wide awake, knowing I'm wide awake, even talking to myself 137 00:10:54,360 --> 00:10:58,000 like okay, someone pinched me. I know, I'm awake. I'm seeing 138 00:10:58,080 --> 00:11:03,840 this what is happening, feeling that uncomfortable energy, and my phone rings takes 139 00:11:03,879 --> 00:11:07,080 me out of the moment. It's my mom, my sister, my brother 140 00:11:07,200 --> 00:11:09,720 in law, and they tell me that my father passed five minutes ago. 141 00:11:11,919 --> 00:11:15,759 So then I started to cry, got upset. My husband said, you 142 00:11:15,840 --> 00:11:18,320 know, what do you need me to do? I said nothing, I 143 00:11:18,399 --> 00:11:20,960 just need to go talk to him. I just need to go have a 144 00:11:20,039 --> 00:11:24,799 moment. And I went out to the living room, and this is where 145 00:11:24,799 --> 00:11:28,039 it gets interesting. So I'm in the living room which is off the hallway 146 00:11:28,120 --> 00:11:33,240 to my children's rooms, and we all sleep with our doors closed. It's, 147 00:11:33,360 --> 00:11:35,480 you know, it's a false safety sense, I guess, like sleeping 148 00:11:35,519 --> 00:11:39,799 with your door clothes. Do you guys do that? Yeah, it's like 149 00:11:39,279 --> 00:11:48,039 don't put your foot outside the bed covers because right, yep, yep. 150 00:11:48,720 --> 00:11:52,159 Right. So my I'm sitting there and just kind of saying, Dad, 151 00:11:52,159 --> 00:11:54,559 I'm sorry I wasn't there. I feel terrible. My daughter's door swings, 152 00:11:56,639 --> 00:11:58,879 and naturally I'm thinking, oh crude, I woke her up. Now I 153 00:12:00,080 --> 00:12:03,720 got to go tell her that her grandpapass this is horrible. Walk down the 154 00:12:03,799 --> 00:12:07,200 hall to kind of head her off. At the pass she's asleep in her 155 00:12:07,279 --> 00:12:11,440 bed and the doors across the room and it's open. So as soon as 156 00:12:11,519 --> 00:12:15,159 I get that, I'm like, wait a minute, my mattress, now 157 00:12:15,279 --> 00:12:18,159 this. Then my son's music starts playing in his room and I'm like, 158 00:12:18,320 --> 00:12:22,759 what is happening. It's like a bread crumb trail. So I go to 159 00:12:22,919 --> 00:12:26,480 his room. He's asleep in bed, his phone is on the charger across 160 00:12:26,519 --> 00:12:28,919 the room, and I'm like, what is going on? So I'm putting 161 00:12:28,919 --> 00:12:31,279 it together kind of two by two, you know, just like, Okay, 162 00:12:31,360 --> 00:12:35,039 this happened, and then this happened, and I'm getting it all together 163 00:12:35,159 --> 00:12:39,840 and I'm thinking things, but I'm still not quite convinced. And my dad 164 00:12:39,919 --> 00:12:43,960 was a Vietnam Vet. He always said, if you buy an expensive casket 165 00:12:45,320 --> 00:12:48,559 and put me in it, I'm gonna be so mad in the afterlife because 166 00:12:48,279 --> 00:12:52,399 I don't need that. My body's just get to disintegrate. I don't need 167 00:12:52,480 --> 00:12:54,480 you to spend money on expensive Just put me in a box and put me 168 00:12:54,519 --> 00:12:58,360 in the ground. And he said it all through my childhood, growing up, 169 00:12:58,559 --> 00:13:05,600 even toward his last hour, And the song playing on my son's phone 170 00:13:05,919 --> 00:13:11,039 was Alice in Chain's Man in the Box. Oh wow, I was just 171 00:13:11,440 --> 00:13:15,200 I knew and instantly, you just know. And then I heard his voice 172 00:13:15,240 --> 00:13:18,759 say you were right, and everyone else hear it? Or was it just 173 00:13:20,039 --> 00:13:24,679 you that was hearing it? Hear what the music? And oh no, 174 00:13:24,799 --> 00:13:28,519 it was yeah, it was playing, Yeah, it was it was everyone, 175 00:13:28,960 --> 00:13:31,759 yes to everyone. Yeah. And then I heard his voice say you 176 00:13:31,919 --> 00:13:37,360 were right, and I just knew. I knew right then and there that 177 00:13:37,519 --> 00:13:41,159 this was my green light, this was my do what you've meant to do 178 00:13:41,240 --> 00:13:45,440 your whole life. And it was his apology in a way because my father 179 00:13:45,639 --> 00:13:50,480 always told me I was nuts. It was coincidence. He pooh pooed it 180 00:13:50,519 --> 00:13:54,879 away, like, oh, there's an explanation. He didn't really believe in 181 00:13:54,960 --> 00:13:58,799 the afterlife most of his life. He did get baptized and toward the very 182 00:14:00,039 --> 00:14:03,679 and accepted God into his life, and so that was wonderful. And so 183 00:14:05,039 --> 00:14:07,120 it's kind of his way to come back and say, hey, you were 184 00:14:07,200 --> 00:14:11,039 right, it's all true. It's all true, and go for it because 185 00:14:11,080 --> 00:14:13,200 I've been telling you now all your life and I want you to do it. 186 00:14:15,039 --> 00:14:18,399 So I'm curious, Timmy, so now that you because I think when 187 00:14:18,440 --> 00:14:22,559 we first open up it's a little more extreme, at least it was for 188 00:14:22,679 --> 00:14:26,600 me. It was. It's so much more subtle now than it was. 189 00:14:26,120 --> 00:14:31,679 But I sit down with you and you do a reading. Is it like 190 00:14:31,919 --> 00:14:35,159 that for you now? Or is it very different the way that you receive 191 00:14:35,240 --> 00:14:41,200 your information. No, it's completely different, completely different, not anything like 192 00:14:41,440 --> 00:14:45,200 just I mean, I do still have things just come. They're just knowings, 193 00:14:45,200 --> 00:14:50,000 they're just there like that. But I use and work with my spirit 194 00:14:50,080 --> 00:14:54,919 guides, my angels, my guardians, and I work through them for everything. 195 00:14:56,320 --> 00:14:58,720 But when I get information now. It's you know, it's like every 196 00:14:58,759 --> 00:15:03,639 ti focal medium. It's either a clear clear sentient clairvoyant, you know, 197 00:15:03,799 --> 00:15:07,200 it's it's all the different claires. I either see stuff with my third eye, 198 00:15:07,320 --> 00:15:11,559 I can hear audibly, you know. Yeah, And it's just a 199 00:15:11,639 --> 00:15:16,480 variety of things. And it's never the same every reading that I do, 200 00:15:16,639 --> 00:15:20,080 it's never the same. One may be stronger than the other, depending on 201 00:15:20,519 --> 00:15:22,360 I think it's depending on the spirit that's coming through and how they want to 202 00:15:22,360 --> 00:15:28,919 communicate. But I also feel like it's the openness of the person that you're 203 00:15:28,000 --> 00:15:33,840 sitting with when when when they are open, Yes, it's changes thing. 204 00:15:33,919 --> 00:15:35,600 Now people will come and say, oh, I'm open, I want to 205 00:15:35,600 --> 00:15:39,879 talk to my mother, but there is such a state of grief other you 206 00:15:39,960 --> 00:15:43,120 knowe it is. It doesn't it's not the same right ones that are just 207 00:15:43,279 --> 00:15:48,720 so bright eyed and accepting and ready. It changes the whole thing. Oh 208 00:15:48,799 --> 00:15:54,200 it does. And I've experienced that a whole lot um I read. I 209 00:15:54,240 --> 00:15:56,480 actually had a reading a couple of weeks ago. There was a girl that 210 00:15:58,240 --> 00:16:02,120 wanted to bring a friend and her friend believed, but she was kind of 211 00:16:02,120 --> 00:16:06,440 skeptical, and she actually was the one that wanted to do this, the 212 00:16:06,519 --> 00:16:10,840 skeptical one, and her friend was the one getting the whole reading because she 213 00:16:11,000 --> 00:16:15,440 was so open and everybody just wanted to come through. And I really struggled 214 00:16:15,519 --> 00:16:18,480 with the skeptical one trying to get her to be just a little bit open. 215 00:16:19,320 --> 00:16:22,519 But once I did, once I could get there, then it was 216 00:16:22,679 --> 00:16:26,879 it kind of opened the floodgates. So you're absolutely right about that. It 217 00:16:27,000 --> 00:16:30,960 has a lot, I think to do with your sitter and where they are 218 00:16:30,360 --> 00:16:36,559 emotionally and able to receive or give well. And I also think the people 219 00:16:36,600 --> 00:16:41,080 around you make a difference too. So sometimes I sit here and I'll do 220 00:16:41,200 --> 00:16:45,600 a reading and it'll be okay, right, but you get the right person, 221 00:16:45,679 --> 00:16:48,000 and it's amazing. When I was in Indiana with Dana. Now you're 222 00:16:48,000 --> 00:16:51,919 friends with Dana, right, Yes, Dana Stricker. We love her. 223 00:16:55,360 --> 00:17:00,960 When we were when we were in what is it you, Julie, Julie, 224 00:17:02,720 --> 00:17:06,920 did you just hear that? I did? But it wasn't me. 225 00:17:07,119 --> 00:17:11,200 I hear it now, I don't hear it now. I thought I heard 226 00:17:11,240 --> 00:17:17,039 like a man's voice, like it like under breath. That's weird that you 227 00:17:17,119 --> 00:17:22,079 don't you didn't hear it Timmy, No, but I Julie too. I 228 00:17:22,200 --> 00:17:26,559 saw the look on Julie's face, but I'm hearing it at the same time, 229 00:17:26,599 --> 00:17:30,319 and I'm thinking something going on at somebody walked in on you. And 230 00:17:30,400 --> 00:17:37,400 then I noticed my arm. I went like this because I felt like I 231 00:17:37,480 --> 00:17:40,720 was being touched. Well, and I'm getting all the goosebumps. Okay, 232 00:17:40,759 --> 00:17:44,240 folk in the middle of a moment, we are also we now have a 233 00:17:44,359 --> 00:17:49,680 huge thunder and lightning stoom going on here. So yeah, well and on 234 00:17:49,759 --> 00:17:53,480 a side note, my home, my home has been hit by lightning three 235 00:17:53,559 --> 00:17:57,480 times and me once. Oh I have I have a love hate thing with 236 00:17:57,759 --> 00:18:07,480 energy. I guess. Wow. When we were in when we were in 237 00:18:07,519 --> 00:18:11,400 Indiana, we were in a place where it wasn't just us. There were 238 00:18:11,720 --> 00:18:15,759 healers and energy workers and the whole place was like buzzing with energy. So 239 00:18:15,880 --> 00:18:21,880 I felt like every reading I did was just incredible. Yeah. We got 240 00:18:21,920 --> 00:18:25,279 into the gallery and Dana said to this guy sitting in the back of the 241 00:18:25,400 --> 00:18:26,920 room and he sits there like this, and she's telling him, you know, 242 00:18:27,079 --> 00:18:30,519 you're a skeptic, and he's like, yeah, you're gonna He wasn't 243 00:18:30,519 --> 00:18:32,759 a mean skeptic. But he was. He was a skeptic, you know, 244 00:18:33,759 --> 00:18:37,440 and his grandmother came through in a reading. But he wouldn't acknowledge it. 245 00:18:38,200 --> 00:18:41,960 Somebody else was trying to claim it. And I remember she you know, 246 00:18:42,039 --> 00:18:45,759 it was pretty specific. It was, you know, she's here. 247 00:18:45,279 --> 00:18:49,119 She would only take her picture. She would only take her picture if she 248 00:18:49,440 --> 00:18:53,720 looked well, if she she wouldn't go out unless she was put together. 249 00:18:55,359 --> 00:18:57,400 And once she was older in life she could get like that. She wouldn't 250 00:18:57,440 --> 00:19:00,039 let anybody take her picture because she didn't like the way she looked. She'd 251 00:19:00,079 --> 00:19:03,799 put her lipstick on. It was outside the lines. Oh and here's the 252 00:19:03,920 --> 00:19:07,759 other thing is there's a she used to collect coat buttons, and you have 253 00:19:07,960 --> 00:19:14,119 a box of her coat buttons. Nobody's saying that except for this woman sitting 254 00:19:14,160 --> 00:19:15,359 over here. She's like, well, my mother, my grandmother used to 255 00:19:15,440 --> 00:19:18,400 sew. And I'm like, I don't think so. After it was over, 256 00:19:18,519 --> 00:19:22,119 he came up to me and he said, I have to admit, 257 00:19:22,200 --> 00:19:25,359 I think you had my grandmother. She would never go out without her hair 258 00:19:25,440 --> 00:19:27,200 done. She used to color outside the lines, her lips were never even. 259 00:19:27,559 --> 00:19:30,240 And I have a box of all of her coat buttons and I went, 260 00:19:30,319 --> 00:19:36,039 why don't you say something? I know, you know, I was 261 00:19:36,200 --> 00:19:38,759 kind of afraid. Does she have a message for me? I'm like, 262 00:19:38,799 --> 00:19:45,440 I don't know. I hung up the phone. Now passed, it's gone. 263 00:19:45,960 --> 00:19:51,119 But it was kind of cool when you get that skeptic, that person, 264 00:19:51,279 --> 00:19:55,240 he's a little skeptical, but that place was an interesting place. And 265 00:19:55,359 --> 00:19:57,119 I think, you know, when we're talking about environment, I think that 266 00:19:57,400 --> 00:20:03,920 makes a big difference. The person and the environment make a difference. I 267 00:20:03,079 --> 00:20:10,680 agree with that. Really great. So you're doing it now and that's fantastic. 268 00:20:10,880 --> 00:20:14,440 Yeah. Yeah. Do you travel? Do you do galleries and that 269 00:20:14,559 --> 00:20:17,839 kind of thing? Um, I would love to start traveling and doing galleries. 270 00:20:17,880 --> 00:20:21,440 I've done galleries here in the Oklahoma City area. I have not been 271 00:20:21,720 --> 00:20:25,640 I haven't been on the Paracon circuit or out doing any kind of paracons or 272 00:20:25,759 --> 00:20:30,599 things like that as of yet. And a lot of that is just because 273 00:20:30,640 --> 00:20:33,640 of I'm in Oklahoma City, so it's you know, it's hard to get 274 00:20:33,680 --> 00:20:40,119 to Ohio or Michigan or so. And I've got two children in college. 275 00:20:40,240 --> 00:20:48,440 So yeah, California, California to you know, right, Yeah, oh 276 00:20:48,559 --> 00:20:51,920 my god, yeah, you want to say, I mean, you're kind 277 00:20:51,920 --> 00:20:53,039 of like stuck. Let me ask you this too, and I don't know 278 00:20:53,200 --> 00:20:59,119 Oklahoma, Well is there is it? You know? It's funny because you 279 00:20:59,200 --> 00:21:04,400 mentioned your grand mother being Pentecostal, and Pentecostal and Native American to me are 280 00:21:04,480 --> 00:21:11,160 like the total opposite, know, you know, and clearly she was open 281 00:21:11,279 --> 00:21:15,079 and understanding of what you were going through. But I thought you were going 282 00:21:15,160 --> 00:21:18,240 to say the other way because she was Pentecostal, she was religious and couldn't 283 00:21:18,240 --> 00:21:23,000 see your way through it. But that's really great. What's it like Oklahoma? 284 00:21:23,160 --> 00:21:27,640 Is it very religious? Do they accept this or is it? Yeah? 285 00:21:27,759 --> 00:21:32,200 It's it's that is that we are in the Bible Belt and it is 286 00:21:32,400 --> 00:21:36,279 different here. Um, there are a lot of people like for instance, 287 00:21:36,400 --> 00:21:40,400 just to share the story, I had had a board in a wood board 288 00:21:40,440 --> 00:21:45,680 in my floor that needed repaired. And I'm also a local ghost hunter here 289 00:21:45,759 --> 00:21:52,279 with afterlife paranormal investigations of Oklahoma, and so naturally my equipment is all in 290 00:21:52,400 --> 00:21:55,200 that room, just kind of stored away, and it's you know, obvious 291 00:21:55,279 --> 00:21:57,640 what it is if anyone's just looking. And he had come in to fix 292 00:21:57,759 --> 00:22:03,200 my floor and he was very like, uh, what's that? Well that 293 00:22:03,480 --> 00:22:07,680 goes hunting equipment. Oh oh, you know you're where you're going, right, 294 00:22:07,720 --> 00:22:10,920 you know you're going straight to hell, right. I mean he literally 295 00:22:11,039 --> 00:22:15,039 lost his mind because I had equipment. And I said, well, protection 296 00:22:15,200 --> 00:22:18,160 is of utmost concern with me. I'm you know, I'm a medium, 297 00:22:18,359 --> 00:22:25,359 and I'm I'm all about protecting and doing things the right way and not antagonizing. 298 00:22:25,480 --> 00:22:26,680 And you know, there's just a lot of stuff that goes along with 299 00:22:26,799 --> 00:22:32,119 this. But I thank you for your concern. And he of course said, 300 00:22:32,559 --> 00:22:34,160 well, I don't know if I should be in this room with this 301 00:22:34,279 --> 00:22:38,160 equipment or I mean, he was very, very paranoid just from being around 302 00:22:38,200 --> 00:22:42,240 the equipment. So you have, yeah, I mean you've got people on 303 00:22:42,359 --> 00:22:47,039 that side of the coin and you have people on the other side that are 304 00:22:47,079 --> 00:22:49,400 like, you know, all this is awesome, but there is a lot 305 00:22:49,519 --> 00:22:56,160 more controversy around here about it, just because of being in the Bible Belt 306 00:22:56,240 --> 00:22:59,519 and the area we are. I mean there's a church every block here, 307 00:23:00,559 --> 00:23:03,359 yep. I would think, So, how do you protect yourself? And 308 00:23:03,519 --> 00:23:07,599 I'm going to give you a little hint. Ask Julie how she protects herself 309 00:23:07,720 --> 00:23:17,039 during How do you protect yourself? Julie, Oh, serious, you make 310 00:23:17,319 --> 00:23:25,440 one literary faux pa on podcast and mister Scott Allen will not let you forget 311 00:23:25,519 --> 00:23:36,039 it. And I have no idea what we're talking about discuss that, oh 312 00:23:36,279 --> 00:23:41,720 gunness. I mean there I where I use crystals. I'm a crystal enthusiast 313 00:23:41,799 --> 00:23:45,319 and I do teach classes on crystals, and so I do use a lot 314 00:23:45,359 --> 00:23:49,759 of crystals for protection, um, as well as just prayer. Prayer is 315 00:23:52,880 --> 00:23:57,200 yes, absolutely necessary, yes, and protect yourself with white light. You 316 00:23:57,319 --> 00:24:00,599 know, you can do all these things before you inner locations, and then 317 00:24:00,759 --> 00:24:07,200 afterwards we sage ourselves typically, um, you know Paalo Santo sprays anything like 318 00:24:07,359 --> 00:24:11,960 that that will cleanse your soul. That's what you need to do. And 319 00:24:12,039 --> 00:24:17,480 you know, this is the thing that I find so incredible because I mean, 320 00:24:17,640 --> 00:24:19,200 we all do this right. Julie is a psychic EmPATH as well. 321 00:24:19,799 --> 00:24:30,440 I think that people don't understand at prayer and God huge huge and we do. 322 00:24:30,720 --> 00:24:36,400 I'm not really you know right well exactly. Yes, there are a 323 00:24:36,480 --> 00:24:40,960 lot of people that believe that anything and everything we do as mediums is dark 324 00:24:41,200 --> 00:24:44,640 and we're getting all of our answers from the wrong side, you know, 325 00:24:44,720 --> 00:24:48,160 the wrong side of things, and that's just if there's dark, there has 326 00:24:48,200 --> 00:24:52,559 to be light. They go hand in hand. And I, you know, 327 00:24:52,440 --> 00:24:56,559 just because we're doing the things we're doing and we're able to have these 328 00:24:56,640 --> 00:25:02,480 communications with people that are loved ones that have ceased, doesn't mean we're getting 329 00:25:02,480 --> 00:25:04,400 at all from the dark side. What about the light side? Right, 330 00:25:06,000 --> 00:25:11,880 um Marie Ruth? As a question, and I think, what, um 331 00:25:12,359 --> 00:25:15,400 Marie Ruth, I would questions. You said, prayer is important, but 332 00:25:15,480 --> 00:25:21,400 what if someone isn't religious? Uh? I think what when I say prayer, 333 00:25:21,960 --> 00:25:26,799 um, what I usually use the words I pray to my higher power. 334 00:25:26,839 --> 00:25:33,759 And so whatever your high power is, how higher power is is where 335 00:25:33,880 --> 00:25:40,160 you're going to ask for protection. And it has for me. It doesn't 336 00:25:40,200 --> 00:25:45,799 have anything to do with an established religion or religious cult. It's just the 337 00:25:45,880 --> 00:25:52,920 way that I like to live my life in um within you know, within 338 00:25:52,039 --> 00:25:56,519 the means that I can. And I want to look back on my life 339 00:25:56,559 --> 00:26:00,720 and say I was a good person. I tried very hard to be a 340 00:26:00,799 --> 00:26:03,400 good person and treated people the way I want to be treated. And that's 341 00:26:03,640 --> 00:26:08,759 what I think is important to my higher power. Right. And I think 342 00:26:08,839 --> 00:26:14,519 to iterate, reiterate, and go back on not a little bit. Also, 343 00:26:15,079 --> 00:26:19,880 we work with and I do a lot of residential investigating and I do 344 00:26:21,000 --> 00:26:25,319 that as well with the War and Legacy Foundation for Paranormal Research, And in 345 00:26:25,519 --> 00:26:30,480 doing so, we constantly are in consult with these people that live in these 346 00:26:30,559 --> 00:26:37,119 homes. And it's not about driving a religion onto you for protection. It's 347 00:26:37,200 --> 00:26:40,799 what is your religion? What is your faith based? And if you don't 348 00:26:40,880 --> 00:26:44,920 have a faith based, you can pretty your guardian angels. You can just 349 00:26:45,119 --> 00:26:48,079 pray for you know, I am light, I am love, I am 350 00:26:48,160 --> 00:26:53,000 whole, I am peaceful, whatever it is to make yourself cleansed well. 351 00:26:53,000 --> 00:26:56,119 And you know, Timmy, if you go to a house and there are 352 00:26:56,440 --> 00:26:59,720 it's a Jewish, let's just say it's a Jewish thing as an example, 353 00:26:59,799 --> 00:27:00,960 right, They're not going to pray to Jesus, No, they're not. 354 00:27:03,119 --> 00:27:07,119 You know, you have to. It's important exactly any home investigation, I've 355 00:27:07,200 --> 00:27:12,000 always one of the questions is are you religious or do you have a religion? 356 00:27:12,079 --> 00:27:17,680 Do you have a higher power us? Every time yes, And now 357 00:27:17,759 --> 00:27:19,559 what I will tell you, We've had this happen and this was a case 358 00:27:19,640 --> 00:27:23,400 that I just recently worked finished working and here in Oklamath City, area, 359 00:27:23,400 --> 00:27:27,119 and I won't divulge any you know, proprietary information, of course, But 360 00:27:27,640 --> 00:27:32,240 we had a couple that needed help, and we went in and we kind 361 00:27:32,279 --> 00:27:36,000 of immediately kind of figured out what we thought was going on, and we 362 00:27:36,519 --> 00:27:37,640 instituted, you know, this is what we're going to do. This, 363 00:27:37,759 --> 00:27:40,759 we're gonna how we're going to deal with it, and we're going to teach 364 00:27:40,839 --> 00:27:44,440 these people. We're going to empower them to cleanse their home and to do 365 00:27:44,640 --> 00:27:49,400 these things according to their beliefs their religion. And we had the couple. 366 00:27:49,559 --> 00:27:53,119 One of them told us their religion and the other one hid it from us 367 00:27:53,200 --> 00:27:59,279 because they were different. So as we went about trying to help them through 368 00:27:59,400 --> 00:28:03,000 Christianity, which was what she said she was, then the other we didn't 369 00:28:03,039 --> 00:28:07,039 know, practiced a different thing. So it would work, and then it 370 00:28:07,079 --> 00:28:11,519 would kind of go back and you know, go back and forth. And 371 00:28:11,359 --> 00:28:15,960 I finally said, is there anything I'm missing? Like what are we missing? 372 00:28:15,079 --> 00:28:18,720 What you know is are you guys both same faith based or not? 373 00:28:19,000 --> 00:28:22,119 And she said I didn't want to say because I didn't know how you would 374 00:28:22,160 --> 00:28:30,119 accept his and he is, I'm a Norse pagan and she was she was 375 00:28:30,200 --> 00:28:32,880 thinking that we would not, you know, we were going to be those 376 00:28:32,960 --> 00:28:36,640 Oklahoma people that don't think those kind of things are Okay, let's see why 377 00:28:36,759 --> 00:28:40,319 she would think that. Yeah, yeah, where you are, Yes, 378 00:28:40,480 --> 00:28:45,519 But every religion deals with these kind of things differently, and you have if 379 00:28:45,559 --> 00:28:48,920 you're not. If you're trying to deal with something and it's not your your 380 00:28:48,039 --> 00:28:52,440 religion or your belief system, it's not going to work. So you have 381 00:28:52,720 --> 00:28:56,240 to believe what you're doing or it is just simply not going to work. 382 00:28:56,599 --> 00:29:00,359 So philosophically, and this just I was just thinking this as you were talking. 383 00:29:03,079 --> 00:29:07,160 Is it even possible to have a haunting, to know that it's a 384 00:29:07,240 --> 00:29:11,519 haunting, to know or feel it or something there, but be an atheist? 385 00:29:14,240 --> 00:29:18,119 I think so. I think so because so atheists you don't believe in 386 00:29:18,319 --> 00:29:22,680 God, but you must still be leaving that there's something beyond this life. 387 00:29:22,920 --> 00:29:26,319 Right, It's hard to kind of separate the two a little bit. Well, 388 00:29:26,400 --> 00:29:30,079 I have a friend who is an atheist, a very good friend who 389 00:29:30,160 --> 00:29:37,279 is an atheist, but she also believes in spirit, right, So it's 390 00:29:37,319 --> 00:29:38,960 not like she doesn't think, well, you die, that's the end of 391 00:29:40,000 --> 00:29:44,640 it. It's black, right, But it's not this this being, So 392 00:29:44,920 --> 00:29:48,559 who would an eight I mean, and again you know who would an atheist 393 00:29:48,920 --> 00:29:53,160 if they don't have that? Who would you know? Right? And that 394 00:29:53,480 --> 00:29:57,480 that that I think is where you would instill them to pray to the guardian 395 00:29:57,519 --> 00:30:02,440 angel, get guardian angel or you know, the higher realm, the you 396 00:30:02,519 --> 00:30:07,480 know, beings or whomever to come protect them. Yeah, it's very powerful, 397 00:30:07,720 --> 00:30:14,000 pow. I find guardian angels are very very powerful. I had. 398 00:30:14,039 --> 00:30:17,799 We all have them, we all do. And growing up, I always 399 00:30:17,839 --> 00:30:19,920 thought, you know, Catholic religion. I grew up very you know, 400 00:30:21,440 --> 00:30:26,920 Catholic um, we all have a guardian angel. And I was on a 401 00:30:26,000 --> 00:30:33,640 home investigation and we had a very very talented psychic. And whenever I would 402 00:30:33,759 --> 00:30:37,400 go on a especially a home investigation, I would do the white light. 403 00:30:37,720 --> 00:30:41,680 I would pray to my higher power and I would also ask for protection from 404 00:30:41,720 --> 00:30:48,759 my guardian angel. And so but I would feel as though I was surrounded 405 00:30:48,400 --> 00:30:52,680 by a guardian angel. And I remember, you know, in your mind, 406 00:30:52,720 --> 00:30:56,039 you think, wow, this is this is a really large angel or 407 00:30:56,160 --> 00:31:00,079 something. And Deirdre had looked at me to introduced herself to everyone, and 408 00:31:00,200 --> 00:31:03,000 she stopped and she looked at me and she said, oh, my you 409 00:31:03,200 --> 00:31:07,440 have a lot of protection. And I said, what are you seeing and 410 00:31:07,559 --> 00:31:11,119 she said, I see your guardian angels And I said there are more than 411 00:31:11,240 --> 00:31:15,160 one and she said, well, Han, you have three. And we 412 00:31:15,279 --> 00:31:18,759 had a conversation about it and I said, growing up, I assumed we 413 00:31:18,920 --> 00:31:22,000 only only had one. And she said, you have as many as you 414 00:31:22,119 --> 00:31:26,240 need. You're given as many as you need. So I guess because I 415 00:31:26,359 --> 00:31:30,880 dabble in this stuff, I need extra. Yeah, I mean I believe 416 00:31:30,960 --> 00:31:33,839 that. And that deals with our mediumship too, Scott, Like, if 417 00:31:34,000 --> 00:31:38,000 we need if there's somebody, for instance, that you know there's like something 418 00:31:38,079 --> 00:31:41,759 medical going on, we can call on our spirit guides as to call in 419 00:31:41,880 --> 00:31:45,279 someone that has medical knowledge. So those kind of things where you can call 420 00:31:45,400 --> 00:31:52,559 in spirit guides to deal with certain areas that you don't have knowledge, that's 421 00:31:52,599 --> 00:31:55,640 interesting. It's it's funny though, because I know Dana does that. She's 422 00:31:55,640 --> 00:32:00,599 a medical intuitive and I never I don't think of myself that way because I 423 00:32:00,680 --> 00:32:09,359 always feel like spirit uses your complete lifetime of experience. So if you've experienced 424 00:32:09,400 --> 00:32:13,759 it, they can use it, right, you know, they show you 425 00:32:13,839 --> 00:32:17,839 anything. But if it's something that you know nothing about, I don't know 426 00:32:19,359 --> 00:32:21,640 how that comes through, do you know what I mean? Like you've never 427 00:32:21,799 --> 00:32:24,039 even conceived of it. They would have to show it to you a different 428 00:32:24,079 --> 00:32:27,799 way. It's just it's just an interesting thing, you know what I mean. 429 00:32:27,880 --> 00:32:30,920 Like I I will get things sometimes like, oh my god, tell 430 00:32:30,039 --> 00:32:34,920 Johnny you better watch his sweets. He's the diabetic, right or something like 431 00:32:35,039 --> 00:32:36,440 that, you know, And they's like, oh, yeah, he's a 432 00:32:36,519 --> 00:32:42,359 diabetic and he's always cheating on his But I don't get things like Dana will 433 00:32:42,400 --> 00:32:45,920 say, you know, look behind your eye, there's an ottery and it 434 00:32:45,000 --> 00:32:49,680 looks like there's a little bit of a little stroke behind the eye, and 435 00:32:49,720 --> 00:32:52,000 it's I mean, I don't get stuff like that. And maybe it's just 436 00:32:52,119 --> 00:32:55,839 I've never experimented, but I don't get things like that. I do. 437 00:32:57,720 --> 00:33:00,920 I do ask, you know, all the time. Listen, guys, 438 00:33:00,519 --> 00:33:04,240 tomorrow's a reading. You know. I've got a couple of readings. Can 439 00:33:04,319 --> 00:33:08,160 you help me out, oh, Archangel, Michael Raphael, my GUIDs, 440 00:33:08,559 --> 00:33:10,920 you know, whoever, you know. I'll take all the help I can 441 00:33:12,000 --> 00:33:14,440 get it because I always feel like, you know, if you guys go 442 00:33:14,559 --> 00:33:16,279 for lunch, I'm up a creek. I can't do anything. You know, 443 00:33:16,559 --> 00:33:20,160 well, that's exactly it. I do that too, and it's because 444 00:33:20,200 --> 00:33:23,759 it's it's not us. We are just the vessel, that's it. It's 445 00:33:23,799 --> 00:33:28,400 like you're the telephone. Correct, nobody can call you if the phone's not 446 00:33:28,519 --> 00:33:32,880 there. Yeah, you know, And sometimes deciding deciphering those messages is difficult. 447 00:33:34,160 --> 00:33:36,680 Sometimes you're like, I don't know why I'm seeing this and being given 448 00:33:36,720 --> 00:33:39,039 I don't have a clue, like what does this mean? And you have 449 00:33:39,160 --> 00:33:45,400 to trust yourself to say it and yeah, because nine times out of ten 450 00:33:45,440 --> 00:33:47,559 they're going to know exactly what you're talking about, and to you, it 451 00:33:47,680 --> 00:33:52,440 makes no sense. And I think that's where, especially early on, you 452 00:33:52,559 --> 00:33:57,279 run into this whole confidence thing, because you're sitting there your brain kicks in 453 00:33:57,440 --> 00:34:00,319 and thinks, well, that's really dumb. I don't want to tell them 454 00:34:00,359 --> 00:34:04,960 that. So why is it? Why am I getting there's a horse in 455 00:34:05,039 --> 00:34:09,519 the road, Julie, there's a horse in the road. Yeah, so 456 00:34:09,639 --> 00:34:16,119 what happened? And it turned out that someone in the gallery had a horse 457 00:34:16,400 --> 00:34:22,079 that they were mourning over. It's crazy stuff, you know, I mean, 458 00:34:22,920 --> 00:34:27,480 and pets do come through. I've had a couple of readings where all 459 00:34:27,480 --> 00:34:30,119 of a sudden there's a dog that isn't there, but I can see it. 460 00:34:30,440 --> 00:34:34,519 And I've said, did you guys lose a dog? Does it look 461 00:34:34,559 --> 00:34:37,480 like this? Yes? Can you see? You know? And I'm like, 462 00:34:37,719 --> 00:34:39,400 uh, playing with your other dog over there, yep, hanging out. 463 00:34:42,880 --> 00:34:47,960 It's just it's just amazing, how the information, how you get it, 464 00:34:49,159 --> 00:34:52,480 or how we get it. I should say, you know, it's 465 00:34:52,559 --> 00:34:55,480 just amazing. And I guess the more you trust, the better it is. 466 00:34:57,239 --> 00:35:00,599 It's never one hund you always gonna get something, says I have no 467 00:35:00,840 --> 00:35:05,599 idea. Yep, me either. I'm only saying it. It's what I'm 468 00:35:05,679 --> 00:35:07,880 seeing and I'm giving it to you. But maybe you'll make sense later on. 469 00:35:08,079 --> 00:35:12,920 I don't know, but that's just how it is. Yeah, yeah, 470 00:35:13,000 --> 00:35:15,760 and try and I do not try to understand it. I used to 471 00:35:15,840 --> 00:35:19,199 try to understand it so much, like I need to know how this works, 472 00:35:19,239 --> 00:35:22,480 why this works. No, you don't. You don't need to know. 473 00:35:22,199 --> 00:35:25,960 Just do it? Do you think too? Because this is my thing? 474 00:35:27,079 --> 00:35:30,800 Right? So I do a few galleries. I've I've tried, you 475 00:35:30,880 --> 00:35:34,519 know, booking some house parties, and I've done some you know what I 476 00:35:34,559 --> 00:35:38,400 mean. I haven't done one in a while, but I always feel like, 477 00:35:42,239 --> 00:35:45,239 you know, as I said before, if they go for lunch, 478 00:35:45,320 --> 00:35:49,679 I don't have. It's not my power, do you know what I mean? 479 00:35:50,039 --> 00:35:52,440 Like, oh, right here I am. It's from the fifty people. 480 00:35:52,559 --> 00:35:55,519 Where'd you go? You know? I mean it always comes through. 481 00:35:58,320 --> 00:36:01,000 But it's not like learning to play the piano, where someone could teach you 482 00:36:01,079 --> 00:36:05,280 how to play a piano. Then as long as they give you a piano, 483 00:36:05,400 --> 00:36:07,239 you can sit down in front of a group and at least play something 484 00:36:08,039 --> 00:36:13,000 you know because you've learned it. This you can't learn. You can learn 485 00:36:13,039 --> 00:36:17,119 how to trust it and maybe fine tune what you get a little bit. 486 00:36:19,079 --> 00:36:22,239 But at the end of the day, if they say to you, nope, 487 00:36:22,280 --> 00:36:24,119 gifts, we're taking the gift back. It's done. That's it. 488 00:36:25,159 --> 00:36:28,920 There's no way to make it work. And for me, that's always been 489 00:36:29,039 --> 00:36:34,079 something that that is a little bit difficult to manage. That's why I like 490 00:36:34,519 --> 00:36:37,679 to do galleries with other people. I love doing it that way. I 491 00:36:37,880 --> 00:36:42,000 just it's not that I had to rely on her, but it takes the 492 00:36:42,079 --> 00:36:47,320 pressure off. Yeah, I haven't done any yet. I have one coming 493 00:36:47,400 --> 00:36:51,840 up in July that I'll be doing like that, so that'll be fun because 494 00:36:51,840 --> 00:36:54,679 I've been wanting to do that. Yeah, and I've watched a million of 495 00:36:54,800 --> 00:36:59,000 them, you know, and they it always seems to like everybody kind of 496 00:36:59,119 --> 00:37:02,840 and I know people can piggyback off each other in that way too, Like 497 00:37:04,039 --> 00:37:06,360 you get a bunch of mediums in a room, all of a sudden you're 498 00:37:06,360 --> 00:37:08,760 doing a reading. I mean, it's like this person gets this piece, 499 00:37:08,840 --> 00:37:12,360 this person gets this piece, this person gets this piece, and then I'll 500 00:37:12,559 --> 00:37:15,320 all of a sudden they all connect and you're like, whoa. It's certainly 501 00:37:15,760 --> 00:37:21,760 I think it can be even easier than a private reading. I think depending 502 00:37:21,840 --> 00:37:25,280 upon you know, because you've got so much energy in the room that right 503 00:37:25,679 --> 00:37:29,920 there's something coming through, and the energy is the key. I mean, 504 00:37:30,000 --> 00:37:32,760 I am convinced one hundred percent that energy is the key to all of this. 505 00:37:34,880 --> 00:37:37,199 So when you have low energy and you've got something you have to go 506 00:37:37,320 --> 00:37:42,199 do, even just a private reading, I mean you're you're like, ooh, 507 00:37:42,320 --> 00:37:44,039 I don't know if I'm gonna be able to pull this off today, 508 00:37:44,320 --> 00:37:46,880 Like I'm not feeling it. It's you know, and that's when I do 509 00:37:47,000 --> 00:37:52,320 go to my angels guides, everybody, I need you on board. Let's 510 00:37:52,360 --> 00:37:54,760 go do this, you know, you know, you get a phone call 511 00:37:54,960 --> 00:38:00,039 right before that sets you off whatever it is. Yeah, exactly, you 512 00:38:00,119 --> 00:38:06,480 know a bad crowd. Yeah, it's a smaller Galllerie and you have a 513 00:38:06,719 --> 00:38:12,599 bad crowd or there's a you know, a minority of people that are just 514 00:38:13,039 --> 00:38:15,960 not acting or behaving the way they should and it sort of ripples through the 515 00:38:16,119 --> 00:38:21,960 crowd, which has happened once and it's it's tough. It's tough to get 516 00:38:22,039 --> 00:38:24,519 through that because they can bring the energy of the whole crowd, but there's 517 00:38:24,599 --> 00:38:29,159 just energy is gone. Yes, exactly. You're a bunch of women who 518 00:38:29,199 --> 00:38:32,239 were drinking, they had nips, they were they were not acting appropriately, 519 00:38:32,320 --> 00:38:36,599 and it affected other people in the room. They were afraid to talk and 520 00:38:36,719 --> 00:38:43,119 so it really just changed the energy. Yeah, definitely. I want to 521 00:38:43,159 --> 00:38:47,639 spend a few minutes because we have oh maybe about nine minutes, ten minutes 522 00:38:47,679 --> 00:38:52,440 not believe it or not. I want to talk about the Warren Legacy Foundation. 523 00:38:52,719 --> 00:38:54,559 Okay, yes, that was about that a little bit, sure, 524 00:38:54,719 --> 00:39:00,119 absolutely so. Chris McKinnell is the director of the Warren Legacy Foundation for Paranormal 525 00:39:00,239 --> 00:39:07,360 Research, and he is the grandson of Lorraine Warren, the famous ad in 526 00:39:07,440 --> 00:39:14,639 Lorraine Warren Um. He started this as a means to help residential paranormal anomalies. 527 00:39:14,920 --> 00:39:20,119 Basically, so people are all over the world constantly reaching out to people. 528 00:39:20,440 --> 00:39:22,039 You know, hey, I've got this going on in my home. 529 00:39:22,159 --> 00:39:24,880 And we talked about it earlier. We know there are a lot of teams 530 00:39:24,960 --> 00:39:28,800 out there that are they're not in it for the right reason. They're not 531 00:39:28,920 --> 00:39:31,800 in it to help people. They're in it to go experience the paranormal you 532 00:39:31,920 --> 00:39:37,360 know, happenings and then walk away with you know, a tape or be 533 00:39:37,480 --> 00:39:40,000 on TV or get a show or you know, whatever it is, whatever 534 00:39:40,079 --> 00:39:43,840 the motive or their drive is. And you know, and then there's a 535 00:39:43,920 --> 00:39:46,800 lot of teams that are very legit and they do baseline readings and they go 536 00:39:46,920 --> 00:39:51,840 in and they have a protocol and they have you signed waivers and they you 537 00:39:51,920 --> 00:39:53,840 know, they want they want to really help you and find out what's going 538 00:39:53,920 --> 00:39:59,440 on in your home, is it paranormal or not? And the main thing 539 00:39:59,519 --> 00:40:02,679 there is debunking, Right, so if we have something happen, you know, 540 00:40:02,960 --> 00:40:07,840 like lights are flickering in the home, well, Warren Foundation, we 541 00:40:07,199 --> 00:40:13,400 want to make sure that everything can be ruled out first before we say yes 542 00:40:13,519 --> 00:40:17,559 it is, it's paranormal. So we take everybody, take these residential cases 543 00:40:17,599 --> 00:40:22,360 that come to us, and you can go to Warren Legacy Foundation for Paramorormal 544 00:40:22,480 --> 00:40:27,800 Research on the internet on the website and you can just do a help There's 545 00:40:27,840 --> 00:40:31,039 a help button if you have something going on. And we're actually nationwide, 546 00:40:31,719 --> 00:40:36,800 so we have people in all the states. We have different regions, we 547 00:40:36,920 --> 00:40:40,840 have regional directors. We're very organized in that fashion of having you know, 548 00:40:42,000 --> 00:40:45,719 everybody has a job to do, and then we have teams everywhere in those 549 00:40:45,840 --> 00:40:52,159 regions. We even are in South America, you know, Central America, 550 00:40:52,320 --> 00:40:57,239 Spain, Australia, New Zealand. We have a presence pretty much everywhere, 551 00:40:57,800 --> 00:41:01,079 and all people basically fill out that help but they do that help thing, 552 00:41:01,320 --> 00:41:05,760 fill out a form, it comes to us. We then take their case 553 00:41:06,119 --> 00:41:08,679 and I'm also an administrative assistant for them, so I'm the one that receives 554 00:41:08,679 --> 00:41:13,800 all the cases or I'm sorry, I'm the one that receives all the applicants. 555 00:41:14,199 --> 00:41:17,239 Another admin of mine receives the cases. We both work together for the 556 00:41:17,360 --> 00:41:23,440 foundation. You can also join as a member if you have paranormal investigation experience 557 00:41:23,519 --> 00:41:29,639 for residences and that's on the website as well. And so we're just a 558 00:41:29,719 --> 00:41:35,440 group of people that are literally concerned with helping people and not making everything the 559 00:41:35,599 --> 00:41:37,360 second that you come to us, Oh yeah, this is terrible, this 560 00:41:37,519 --> 00:41:42,599 is horrible. We got a problem here, you know, burn the house 561 00:41:42,639 --> 00:41:46,199 down kind of thing. We want to make sure and find out and try 562 00:41:46,239 --> 00:41:52,800 to ease people's minds and make them understand that some of this stuff isn't necessarily 563 00:41:52,920 --> 00:41:57,320 paranormal. And if it is, we've have that too all the time, 564 00:41:57,920 --> 00:42:00,920 then we are equipped to deal with it. So I have to say, 565 00:42:01,039 --> 00:42:07,719 I'm more afraid of what appears to be some of the mental illness that's out 566 00:42:07,760 --> 00:42:10,159 there, and that's you know, there are things that go on, there 567 00:42:10,199 --> 00:42:14,199 are things that people tell us, and it's frightening, Like I'm not ready 568 00:42:14,239 --> 00:42:16,360 to I'm not going to go run off into somebody's house and you don't even 569 00:42:16,440 --> 00:42:22,039 know what you know? Do you have? Is there a group within the 570 00:42:22,199 --> 00:42:25,760 group that deals with that aspect of it? Is there any kind of a 571 00:42:25,840 --> 00:42:32,519 psychological We do have parapsychologists, psychologists. We have a lot of people in 572 00:42:32,920 --> 00:42:37,079 the War and Foundation that have doctorates that are PhDs. We have priests, 573 00:42:37,119 --> 00:42:42,440 we have bishops. We have a lot of different realms covered when it comes 574 00:42:42,480 --> 00:42:47,880 to those kind of careers, and we do actually have protocols where mental illness 575 00:42:49,000 --> 00:42:54,079 is a huge problem and if there is a suspicion of that, we will 576 00:42:54,199 --> 00:42:58,440 have them see a doctor, do a psyche valve just to rule that out, 577 00:42:58,559 --> 00:43:01,239 so that we can get that ruled out and move on to where we 578 00:43:01,360 --> 00:43:07,239 need to help them. Right. I think that's really important for everybody, 579 00:43:07,360 --> 00:43:10,400 you know, for them And Julie, you had told a story about two 580 00:43:10,440 --> 00:43:14,840 and it wasn't. I don't it was not mental illness, but but you 581 00:43:14,920 --> 00:43:20,159 know, even things like EMF can make you oh yeah, oh absolutely, 582 00:43:20,360 --> 00:43:25,000 it'll create a fearcage. I mean, it's so important. We when I 583 00:43:25,400 --> 00:43:30,320 was on a team that we had a young man on the team who was 584 00:43:30,360 --> 00:43:37,199 a licensed home inspector, which was great because he walked into one home and 585 00:43:38,119 --> 00:43:45,519 you know the problem was there was mold, right, and the couple. 586 00:43:45,679 --> 00:43:49,760 The wife she said she would feel sick, she'd stay home, she'd feel 587 00:43:49,800 --> 00:43:52,599 even sicker next day, she'd make herself go to work and she felt okay, 588 00:43:52,920 --> 00:43:59,119 So she thought the house was haunted and he just went and he found 589 00:43:59,239 --> 00:44:05,960 mold another time there was basically it was a very old house and the washing 590 00:44:06,039 --> 00:44:09,039 and dry it was in the cellar, and she hated to go down to. 591 00:44:09,239 --> 00:44:13,119 You know, some people call them basements honestly here, you know, 592 00:44:13,559 --> 00:44:15,800 in Boston, they're sellers. These houses are old, they're not basements. 593 00:44:15,840 --> 00:44:20,280 They are sellers. And you walk down there and you have a dirt floora 594 00:44:20,400 --> 00:44:24,000 maybe a cement floor, and the wiring was so old and so re rigged 595 00:44:24,119 --> 00:44:29,800 over and over again. The EMF was off, literally off the charts. 596 00:44:29,920 --> 00:44:34,679 Yeah, it probably wasn't grounded properly and there was just so much wiring that 597 00:44:34,920 --> 00:44:37,199 was rewired. And let's face it, you know, in Boston, New 598 00:44:37,280 --> 00:44:42,679 England, we have Yankees who don't like to pay money and if they do 599 00:44:43,079 --> 00:44:46,119 fix it themselves, they certainly are going to And this was the house that 600 00:44:46,519 --> 00:44:52,719 her father had done most of the fixing himself, and it was literally a 601 00:44:52,800 --> 00:44:57,199 fair cage down there. It was just crazy how crazy the MF was there. 602 00:44:57,800 --> 00:45:00,119 And it can make you very very sick, can make you hallucinate. 603 00:45:00,840 --> 00:45:05,119 Yeah, it's just very great. We've had a couple of cases like that 604 00:45:05,320 --> 00:45:08,400 that have actually been people that have called us from apartment complexes and they're on 605 00:45:08,480 --> 00:45:14,719 the end of a unit and right outside their wall will be all the electrical 606 00:45:14,840 --> 00:45:17,920 for that whole building, and the EMF is off the charts and they, 607 00:45:19,159 --> 00:45:22,119 you know, and they're hallucinating or they're seeing things and it's like, well, 608 00:45:22,159 --> 00:45:25,480 your em is, you know, way too high. So yeah, 609 00:45:25,559 --> 00:45:30,920 it's it does. It does create that kind of a fearcage, as you 610 00:45:30,000 --> 00:45:35,079 said, have you noticed that in pets. How does it affect animals? 611 00:45:35,880 --> 00:45:38,559 I think it does. I think animals are more susceptible to it than we 612 00:45:38,679 --> 00:45:43,360 are. I'll tell you. I had a call from down this is this 613 00:45:43,559 --> 00:45:47,760 man called me from California. They're real California, and he was having some 614 00:45:49,039 --> 00:45:52,440 issues with his cats. Now, this guy is he's not a random person. 615 00:45:52,639 --> 00:45:55,239 His mother is a client of mine and I know it. She lives 616 00:45:55,280 --> 00:46:00,239 here in Boston and he's over there. She asked if I would talk them. 617 00:46:00,960 --> 00:46:04,239 He doesn't experience anything, so he doesn't feel anything. There's nothing out 618 00:46:04,280 --> 00:46:07,840 of the ordinary. But it's always the cats in one corner of the room 619 00:46:07,920 --> 00:46:13,079 and they're like this, and they watch and they watch, and they'll sit 620 00:46:13,159 --> 00:46:17,000 there and they'll just watch. And I asked him what was outside the window 621 00:46:17,119 --> 00:46:22,119 because he's they're right by the window, whatever room it was, and they 622 00:46:22,239 --> 00:46:25,559 have these huge high tension wires and these boxes right outside of the big gray 623 00:46:25,639 --> 00:46:30,320 boxes right outside the window. And I said, right, you know that 624 00:46:30,519 --> 00:46:31,960 might be it. I mean, you can try getting a meter and see 625 00:46:31,960 --> 00:46:36,960 if it's higher. He's not experiencing anything, but I would think the animals 626 00:46:37,119 --> 00:46:40,519 maybe just sensitive enough to be picking up whatever it is that they're picking up 627 00:46:40,559 --> 00:46:44,840 in there. Yeah, definitely. And you know, another thing, and 628 00:46:45,039 --> 00:46:47,599 when we investigate, and it's it's always sad when you have to go back 629 00:46:47,639 --> 00:46:52,039 to a family and tell him, you know, no, it's not paranormal. 630 00:46:52,199 --> 00:47:01,079 It's rodents. Yes, happened. We we we've had a home where 631 00:47:01,519 --> 00:47:07,239 they thought they were having activity and our equipment kept going off and we thought 632 00:47:07,280 --> 00:47:12,000 they were having activity. And when you go back and review, you see 633 00:47:12,039 --> 00:47:15,840 this little tale and these two b d eyes and sure enough, it was 634 00:47:15,079 --> 00:47:21,079 just mice, That's what it was. And it's it's nice to be able 635 00:47:21,159 --> 00:47:23,360 to tell a family that kind of thing and debunk something in that manner and 636 00:47:23,960 --> 00:47:28,119 you know, get them back on the right track. It's also a horrible 637 00:47:28,159 --> 00:47:30,679 position to have to be in to tell a family, Hey guys, but 638 00:47:30,719 --> 00:47:37,880 at least you can make it go away. Yet some dcon you're all you're 639 00:47:37,880 --> 00:47:44,599 all say, I think that's you know, It's just I think there's so 640 00:47:44,760 --> 00:47:51,800 much on TV that people just think this is you know, and some shows 641 00:47:52,639 --> 00:47:57,800 kind of exasperate, exacerbating everything's you know whatever, right, And I know 642 00:47:58,039 --> 00:48:02,519 in the Warren Foundation we have we literally will see there'll be a new television 643 00:48:02,599 --> 00:48:07,880 show comes out and we have a we have a surge in cases all of 644 00:48:07,920 --> 00:48:10,239 a sudden, and it's just kind of like hand in hand, you know, 645 00:48:10,639 --> 00:48:15,280 So there is something to it, I know, I mean, and 646 00:48:15,440 --> 00:48:17,960 that's just natural. That's that's humanity, that's normal. You know, the 647 00:48:19,039 --> 00:48:23,000 more you see, the more you know kind of thing, and you naturally 648 00:48:23,039 --> 00:48:29,159 would gravitate to think that's it. Yea, it makes sense. Um, 649 00:48:29,280 --> 00:48:31,599 Timmy, we have a little over five minutes left of the show, so 650 00:48:31,880 --> 00:48:35,360 I want to first of all, I want to say, I know you 651 00:48:35,440 --> 00:48:40,760 are doing another show after this and it's Warren Legacy Foundation, Yet, because 652 00:48:40,760 --> 00:48:45,440 I think this has been a really interesting conversation. Where can they continue to 653 00:48:45,519 --> 00:48:50,920 watch you because you're going at uh it's eight o'clock's eastern, right, Um, 654 00:48:51,199 --> 00:48:54,679 so yeah, if they just go on Facebook and google the Warren files, 655 00:48:54,880 --> 00:49:00,920 they should be able to fight it files. And we're talking about protection 656 00:49:00,039 --> 00:49:05,360 tonight, guys. That's what we're talking about, psychic protection and all the 657 00:49:05,440 --> 00:49:09,719 kinds of protection that need to happen for mediums, for people in general. 658 00:49:12,119 --> 00:49:20,880 Psychic protection. We like to surround ourselves with golden light. Yes, beautiful 659 00:49:21,280 --> 00:49:25,679 iridescent golden light. Golden light and and what do you do an hour show? 660 00:49:25,800 --> 00:49:30,440 Is that what it is? And yeah? Good, so we'll check 661 00:49:30,519 --> 00:49:35,400 that out. And um, what is I'm just looking here someone's writing and 662 00:49:35,920 --> 00:49:38,199 what if syndrome? What is that? Antem? What did you mean by 663 00:49:38,280 --> 00:49:43,639 that? Or what is that? Was that in referring it? Was that 664 00:49:43,800 --> 00:49:51,280 referring to Um, I'm not sure sure? Or either what if syndrome? 665 00:49:52,079 --> 00:49:58,679 If you see this something real quick, because I'm not familiar with that. 666 00:49:59,440 --> 00:50:00,400 Yeah, I don't know what that is? You know? What if me? 667 00:50:00,800 --> 00:50:06,119 What does that mean? What if me? What if me? What 668 00:50:06,400 --> 00:50:08,199 if me? I know we're all psychic, but I'm still not getting it. 669 00:50:16,639 --> 00:50:21,800 Yeah, okay, are you? Is he Tom? Is he trying 670 00:50:21,840 --> 00:50:27,360 to say? What if he has been taken over by a ghost? Is 671 00:50:27,440 --> 00:50:30,079 that what he's trying to talk to say, I'm not sure. I'm not 672 00:50:30,320 --> 00:50:36,760 sure. What if me? What if? What if it's you? In 673 00:50:36,880 --> 00:50:39,400 other words, what if it's the person and not the house? Is that 674 00:50:39,480 --> 00:50:44,199 what you're saying? In other words, if it's that feels like, yeah, 675 00:50:45,400 --> 00:50:50,840 possession or oppression? Yeah. Oh, the shows, the shows bring 676 00:50:50,920 --> 00:50:52,119 out Oh it could be me. I see what you're saying. Yeah, 677 00:50:52,199 --> 00:50:55,079 yeah, yeah, because the show. Yeah, because the shows are so 678 00:50:55,239 --> 00:51:00,599 extreme sometimes, right, absolutely, you know, yes, yes, and 679 00:51:00,760 --> 00:51:04,960 how many times? I mean, Scott, one of the last interviews that 680 00:51:05,119 --> 00:51:10,119 you did we did together. They wanted a home investigation done and we always 681 00:51:10,159 --> 00:51:15,440 do a pre interview and we were doing it on Zoom, and basically it 682 00:51:15,760 --> 00:51:24,800 was just someone who had made poor life decisions their entire lives, and instead 683 00:51:24,840 --> 00:51:31,519 of taking on the full responsibility of what they of making these poor decisions, 684 00:51:31,920 --> 00:51:36,960 they had come to the conclusion that they were possessed, or there was a 685 00:51:37,119 --> 00:51:43,719 demon following them, or they had a curse on them. It was kind 686 00:51:43,800 --> 00:51:47,480 of sad, but there wasn't a whole lot, you know, it was 687 00:51:47,599 --> 00:51:52,320 obvious what was going on. So basically, you know, to let them, 688 00:51:52,440 --> 00:51:54,400 we just said to them, well, why don't you start documenting things, 689 00:51:54,559 --> 00:51:58,719 get a notebook and start documenting, and we will get back to you. 690 00:51:59,400 --> 00:52:01,440 And we did two weeks later. They never answered the calls, so 691 00:52:02,079 --> 00:52:07,559 they just wanted to be told that what was happening in their lives was not 692 00:52:07,679 --> 00:52:10,280 their faults. Honestly, when they think some too like, oh, we're 693 00:52:10,320 --> 00:52:14,159 going to get to do what they do on TV, so we'll call someone, 694 00:52:14,199 --> 00:52:15,960 they'll come in and we get to be a part of that. I 695 00:52:15,079 --> 00:52:19,039 really think that could be part of it too. That's a big part of 696 00:52:19,079 --> 00:52:21,840 it. And we have a lot of people that ask for help and then 697 00:52:22,119 --> 00:52:25,079 we try to help them, and that's their first question and their last question 698 00:52:25,199 --> 00:52:29,320 every time we talk to them through zoom or anything else. That's when are 699 00:52:29,360 --> 00:52:31,800 you coming out? When are you coming out? And it's like, we 700 00:52:32,280 --> 00:52:37,719 need to empower you first to handle this because right now you're running around with 701 00:52:38,000 --> 00:52:40,920 your head with a chicken cut off, you know, acting like this is 702 00:52:40,960 --> 00:52:45,000 all everything's crazy and you're scared, and that's not helping. That's the worst 703 00:52:45,119 --> 00:52:52,000 thing people can actually do when they feel like they have paranormal right is start 704 00:52:52,079 --> 00:52:58,239 to fear it because it will escalate absolutely. Yeah, yeah, yeah, 705 00:52:58,400 --> 00:53:02,280 And we've all been in some insanely haunted places that then nothing happens, exactly 706 00:53:02,760 --> 00:53:06,760 nothing, you know. And granted, if you're living in the house, 707 00:53:06,880 --> 00:53:09,719 it's it's you know, but you're not living in an asylum. You're not 708 00:53:09,880 --> 00:53:13,360 living in a you know, I mean still your home. What's your living 709 00:53:13,440 --> 00:53:17,480 room with your things? But you know, I think that you just have 710 00:53:17,679 --> 00:53:22,159 to it's it's yeah, I would as an investigator, I'd want to know 711 00:53:22,239 --> 00:53:27,159 what I was getting myself into. You know. We've had people claim that 712 00:53:27,280 --> 00:53:30,280 they are inanimate objects, are possessed their roles of paper, towels, there, 713 00:53:30,840 --> 00:53:35,039 there, whatever it is, and it is right. It's a little 714 00:53:35,079 --> 00:53:37,599 bit. I can't help you with that stuff, do you know what I 715 00:53:37,639 --> 00:53:43,599 mean? John Zapfis, he has this music, he'll he'll surround it with 716 00:53:43,719 --> 00:53:52,679 salt. It'll take your exact anybody. Tammy, I want to thank you 717 00:53:52,800 --> 00:53:59,079 for being here show. It's been an absolute pleasure. And Julie d seeing 718 00:53:59,079 --> 00:54:01,480 you. Thanks for joining us and we'll see you next week on The Paranormal 719 00:54:01,519 --> 00:54:06,639 Project. Have a good night, Danny, have a good night. You 720 00:54:06,760 --> 00:54:13,039 have been listening to The Paranormal Project with Scott Allen and Julie Finn be sure 721 00:54:13,079 --> 00:54:16,280 to subscribe so you don't miss the next episode. While you're there, leave 722 00:54:16,360 --> 00:54:21,280 us a rating and review so others can find out about the show. Stay 723 00:54:21,360 --> 00:54:24,320 Haunted and go out there and explore the paranormal