Hey, this is Sam what where I played Davis Bloom aka Doomsday on Smallville
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me this time from the Crypton Report podcast. Tyler Patrick, what's up?
Tyler? Hey? Is that good to be back? Buddy? Absolutely,
you are here again in season eight. You were back a few episodes back
when we talked about what episode identity was it? I think so, Yeah,
I think so. It's in all honesty, the one word titles sometimes
gets a little hard to remember which one they are. Well, absolutely man,
because I mean we're talking about Beast this week, but I feel like
Beasts could have been internals title a couple of episodes ago. Like that,
we're in this interchangeable area of titles. Just it's like the end of season
four when it's like forever YEA and changeless or just say it's like that.
It reminds me of this eternal or at Lea's like, come on, y'all,
and I know it's hard because it's season eight, but that you did
this to yourselves. But the one word titles, they were like, guys,
we h we put ourselves in the hole. We should have not done
this. You're the running out of titles, especially considering that with all this
talk of doomsday coming. Uh, he never turns into doomsday, really gets
the eyes and he gets hard. It's man. We'll talk about a little
bit of them just expanding his powers here at the end of the episode,
but they and everything he does is off screen in stiletto, which is effective,
but it's off screen. So it's like they're trying if they're trying to
build, like oh no, what's happening when more often all these things like
it's it's the dread is not there, right, I think at this point
because we're in we're in the home stretch here for season eight, and I
gotta tell you it's these episodes. You know, they're not they're not good.
Um, they're frustrating, but in a lot of ways they were still
entertaining to watch. In my opinion. That's where I am with the late
season eight episodes. Yeah, I agree. I think part of us really
like Sam as an actor. I think he has a and charm at a
certain presence when he does anything that just helps with the material, you're just
like, okay, you just you just kind of go with it. Yeah,
they're I mean, we're so far down the characters making choices that I
disagree with. It's like, wells have already been made here we are Oh
no, I mean their choices are just like it's almost as bad as like,
you know, when you were watching Arrow and Oliver's like, oh I
learned from this mistake, watch me make it again in three seconds, right.
It's like Clark, he paved, he paved the road originally as watched
me keep making the same bad choices over and over. Well, I mean
you say Clark, I say Chloe, Chloe who I was in love with
Chloe and she was one of my favorite characters watching the show, and you
know and watching back man, it's a bad look for Chloe. Like Chloe
did she did some unforgivable betrayal of Jimmy a couple episodes ago, Poor Jimmy,
and then she does some even more unforgivable l Clark in this episode.
It's like it's a it's a bad season for Chloe. I think, oh,
it totally is. And I just I feel bad for Jimmy, like
this episode is don't feel bad for him. Oliver gave m a new child.
I can't wait to see what happens next season. Yeah, gotta fix
his car. That's so good. All right, Well, there's so much
we're gonna get into a talk about everybody. I will say this rewatching it
like this kind of confirms for me that they killing off Henry James Olson was
a last minute decision because this is like they're setting up an Oliver Jimmy friendship
here to continue on into the next season where he has a job and he
works for them, right, because these are characters that had I don't know
if they had had a scene together by themselves up until this episode, Tyler,
I don't think so. I was like, I thought we could be
friends. I'm like, yeah, I guess you've been around for three years,
both of you. They both showed up in season six and I was
like, this is if you look at how these TV shows work, this
is like, this is his plot for next season. Y'all right, that's
what they're but instead they're like, ah, let's change his name, kill
him off. And that's where we are because it really sets something up here
and I had forgotten that part, and Party was like, oh, well,
this is why Oliver takes his death so hard too, and in Doom's
day and I'm like okay, because they had literally just become friends. But
anyway, but we're in that range now where I'm looking for any kind of
like I'm looking for anything that kind of hold onto to kind of like momentum
or anything to go into the season finale. And that just really stuck out
to me, like, oh, this is a clear in TV language,
You're you're pairing up these two characters to have like a friendship partnership the following
season and establishing like we got him out of his drug thing and now he's
going to be Oliver's assistant and we'll that'll probably end at some point and he'll
get a job back of the Day the Planet, And that's where you think
they're setting up Henry James Olson, but it is not to be. He's
only got two episodes left. So my question is when do you think nor
do you remember they got the renewal for season nine In production. To my
understanding, and I don't know. This is a combination of me reading things
on Krypton side or becoming friends and talking to Craig Burn over the years from
Krypton site. Tom Welling signed an extension for two years, like at the
eleventh hour, like it was really late in the game, Like there was
there was a time where they thought Doomsday was going to be the series finale
and they had to scramble and rewrite it at the last minute to make it
not that. And that's why that's why I'm kind of leaning is that because
that why they went with the death. They're like, we need something emotional,
it's some big hook. Well, I can tell you a big hook.
How about a Clark Kent Doomsday. Fine, here's a hook for you,
right, But think about think about thinking where we are now though,
I mean we're talking about we're talking about Jimmy being like an assistant to Oliver
Queen who co owns Luthor Corp. With Test Mercer, by the way,
who we've never established, we have yet to establish that she's Lex's sister,
right, and then Lex is dead and like to think that through we were
two episodes away from a potential series finale of this show. All right,
like say with you will about season ten. It has it ups and downs,
but they were clearly like counting down towards the Superman status quo. It
took them way too long and they didn't even really pay it off when you
really wanted him to. But look, they were there was a clear course.
But this to feel like we could have been two episodes away from the
end here right, Oh, it would have been rough. Or if they
if something had happened and they ended Doomsday and then they were like show was
canceled, and you're like, what what happened to? There's no other way
they were going to cancel it. I mean it was still doing well enough,
yeah, for for for them at that time. Like there's all these
all these asterisks by that, but you know, it was just it was
a small was a very successful, very popular show. At this point.
Supernatural had overtaken it, but small the brand of Smallville was still extremely strong
then and and I think that would lead to it. And also you know,
and I'll say this, um as we kind of wrap up our pregame
here, the reasoning of Tom Willing keeping the show going. People were like
what are you doing extending this prequel to Superman so long? Right? But
Tom Willing's talking about He's like, look if I if I quit or leave,
then all these people lose their job Like this, I mean, it's
it's that's it's so true. Like you think about like the quote unquote our
sister contegrity of ending a show in a high note. But then you think
about, like all the people who who work on the cameras and the sets
and the makeups and all like that is an entire and they've become like a
family by that point, working there for almost a decade. So like that
that kind of definitely as I understand that that factor in the Tom's decision as
well to keep the show going. And I think to its strength because Smallville
had lasted just long enough to kind of pull up from the from the nose
dive it had been going into. And it's unfortunate because season seven was frustrating
and the first half of season it was so strong, and the second half
season eight is so frustrating. You know, I don't even know, Well,
we'll see where I where I put season eight in my season rankings a
by the end of it. But to think that again. To think that
where we all right now this this episode we're gonna talk about tonight, it
could have been two episodes before the end of this series is pretty crazy to
think about. It is crazy, and I'm glad. I mean, like
you just said, small Bill lasted. I think where it needed to last.
We've talked about over and over you and I how there's the definitive chapters
on Small Bill, and I think it works to its strength because I look
at other shows that are kind of wrapping up and I'm not pointing the finger
at you Flash, but this final final, the big final run of Flashes
Man, Yeah, has not been good. I am. I am watching
it because it's the end, right, Like the Arrow, I came back
and sat down and watching it in I got a hold of appreciation for some
of the smalls later seasons. I agree, you know, and you were
talking about how like season ten, at least season ten respected the show and
the character and like said, this is the end. We're gonna give it
everything and put what we've been waiting for in it. The Flash. I
sadly it's not been good this. I mean, they're they're giving Barry and
Iris like a couple of weeks off in a row. Yeah, we should
be building towards something here and not having these filler episodes of supporting characters that
nobody cares about it anymore. Like if this had been like a season two
or three when you had Cisco and you know, characters you loved, you're
like, yeah, okay, you almost said Caitlyn, didn't you. But
then you remember that they're on their third Kitlyn. Yeah, the third kitbe
unbelievable. Unbelievable that they spend so much time one So anyway, so let
me's just say say what you will about s Fubble season eight. I think
it's better than a lot of the arrow Verse, right, and I love
the arrow Verse, and I appreciate for what it is. But man,
oh, I'm with you. I'm with you. But Tommy, you know
before we've been to it here, because there are there are several deleted scenes
series, not not as many as the word hecks, which were ridiculous,
like six minutes of deladed scenes. There are about four minutes or so of
deleted scenes of Beast, which, which again is a lot when your episodes
are like forty two minutes, right, to have to have four minutes deleted
scenes, and they they add up to three total. It's kind of like
one and then another one kind of split into two honestly, which is interesting
because it's like a obviously that would have been a commercial break, so we
can like talk about where they fitted. And that's why, like I like
talking about when there's more than when deleaded scenes, I like talk about them
before we jump in. So I'm gonna be like, I think this is
where it fed. I don't know, all right, So and and as
I've been doing, right, we've been talking to the guests beforehand, be
like, hey, let's watch the deleted scenes so we can converse about them.
And it's not just me being like, well, I know you didn't
watch it, but own the DVD, so we can actually have a conversation
about So there are three deladed scenes of this episode, and the first one
a very long scene, and I think like a good scene, and I
wish they would have incorporated it, and almost like I would they could have.
They could have. I think the idea of this scene was to kind
of parallel the dream sequence at the beginning, but like when you remove one,
the other one kind of sticks out. As weird. We'll talk about
that little bit. But this scene is it's not a dream, it's not
not even merit. It's it's Davis in the basement and he's going through Chloe's
old wala weird articles and they have like this cute flirting bonding moment here over
this Tyler Yeah, because he even says about Clarke. He says, were
you and Clark every you know, look a hot item or something? And
did you ever share more than a bye lion? And she says nothing that
would make page one. I'm like, you know what, that's a pretty
pretty good answer. That's a great Chloe response because she's taking that journalism joke
that he made to her and putting it back on him. Because any logical
person would see these two people who have been like, you know, like
joined at the hips since freshman or high school, like, so what's supposed
to do with y'all? So it's a logical question. The thing that I
like in this scene is it's it's Davis telling Chloe that there is him,
kind of admitting there is no cure for himself, that she's what he needs,
and he puts it all back on her without being the overdramatic that we
later see with the episode with her. Yeah, it's more it's more just
like I have you, I'll be okay. It's like and she's like,
it's this more lighthearted way of saying that having you around, I'll be okay,
compared to like you said later when it's just like Chloe, I need
you next see it time weird man? Yeah, and you do you still?
You do so cliniful? Sorry for him her, right, because he's
like he's tried everything. He don't want to see doctors because he's afraid of
like being put in a cage. And he's absolutely correct, that's that's that's
a legitimate fear if you're him, right. She she has a really weird
light in this elited scene when she says, when when I saw you being
killed by that meter rock, it was like it was like it was killing
a part of me. I'm like, whoa cooy. That's that's a weird
melodramatic thing to say. That's like the line that you say out of desperation
to like win them on your side when you know that they're like turning to
kill you, or you're in trouble and you're trying to like flip them or
like nah, baby, I love you when that rock was hurting you,
killing me a man. The thing is, I'm not sure where this scene
would have taken place. I think they might have done like a pickup shot
with the water bottle with Doctor Hamilton's later, because when he says because she
references doctor Hamilton not by name, That's what I thought. And you know,
I'm like, I'm thinking, okay, this would have gone after the
Doctor Hamilton's scene. But then I was like, as it went on,
I was like, wait, but this has been before, would have been
before? And she takes the bottle and I'm like, okay, so I'm
not sure when it would have fallen in, like, it's possible, it's
and I've seen this happen in episodes before. I think. I'm trying to
think back, is it? Uh? The one? The one relax is
like running for senator uh? And there and I always forget the name of
it. It's like it's a it's a lockdown. No, it's there's I
And this is a joke too. I can never get these right. There's
there's lockdown and another one No, no, no, no, it's it's
before reckoning, and it's the one where, like the the they're at the
college and the girl shaves her head. Oh okay, okay, okay,
yeah, what's that one called. I'll be honest, they all start to
run together after a while. It doesn't exactly what we're talking about the titles
if it's not something that's definitive like run or aqua you know where. So
it's so pure to what the happens in the episode. After a while,
I just start forgetting which one's which. I can't believe. I can't remember
this, Uh, this is, this is, this is gonna bother me.
It's like, all right, it'll come to me. But anyway,
there's de leaded scenes in that episode that takes place in the college and all
the stuff, and it's clearly like they don't fit with anything else. And
I feel like it's some fanatic. That's what it is, Thank you fanatic.
There's scenes that don't really fit with the episode is and I think what
they might have done is like they filmed some stuff and then they changed their
minds somewhere in there, and then they're like, okay, well we'll add
this here, we won't do that, and we're fine. Right, So
clearly this scene was shot with the with like the idea that she had talked
to doctor Hamilton beforehand, and then they thought, oh no, this episode
is going too long, and they hadn't shot the doctor Hamilton scene yet,
so like, you know what, just have her gave him the water bottle
then, and then we won't worry about it because at the end of this
scene, you know, when when Dave's like, no, no, I
don't want to see Doctor's Chloe like sees he's got to like a water bottle
and it takes it and obviously he's gonna use that to give to doctor Hamilton.
But then and the scene she says, I talked to a doctor,
right, yeah, past tense, but she's clearly telling him about day was
the first time when they actually had their scene in the episode. So there
you go. That that's my You're ready, like somewhere in there, I'm
with you. I laugh when she's like he's got a PhD and aliens and
all this, and I'm like, I'm pretty sure that's not something you can
get a PhD. And yet, um, that's just that's what I was
thinking. I was like, oh, yeah, I think it is smart
though I think this is the most He's Doctor Hamilton has actually been an episode
so far, because like they really like subtly introduce him and Bulletproof. You
know, he almost has nothing to do. And then when he when he
casts a guy like Alessandro Giuliani, who I know best from role start of
Lactic, I was like, Oh, you're gonna get this guy some something
to work with, you know, something to do, and he's like,
he has nothing to do, and then he you know, as the show
continues, he grows in promense. But but I think this was as biggest
episode yet so far. So anyway, I'll have to say that's the first
delated scene. I I liked it for some reasons and didn't like it for
others, and but it just did They weren't There wasn't time for it because
it's actually quite a lengthy scene between the two of them. Here's a thought,
delete that dream sequence, put this way right, and we'll talk about
that, but we will talk about the James seguints. No, there are
two more deleted scenes, but they're both part of the same scene. Okay,
so it's Chloe getting pulled over by the FBI, of all people,
and by the way, weird. It wasn't weird, right, but I
think it had to do with like the how tests to put up the headlines
and the take Davis is like a wanted man, you know, the cornfield
Killer, like that. I totally forgot he had a name like that.
I think that's actually kind of a neat name, especially when you live around
a bunch of cornfields. Like just hearing that, like the cornfield Killer,
Yeah, I mean you're driving around like because I mean if I walk,
as if I walk out my front door and turn left, I walked into
the street here in a couple of months, that at the end is going
to be a completely huge cornfield walk you know, take the mild down.
There's massive cornfield farm land. So just having that name the cornfield kill Killer,
sounds creepy. It is like either be a podcast about the cornfield Killer,
right or yeah, yeah, some kind of picturing more like Scarecrow or
that monster thing in the episode of Supernatural one, season one, the Harvest
one. Yeah, you expect some sort of corn children of the corn style
like that exactly exactly right. But anyway, I think that's why the FBI
was like, because he's been outed quote unquote as a serial killer. At
this point, they pull Chloe over and they want to ask her a few
questions about Davis Bloom and I think this would have been a cut to commercial.
I agree because because like, like you know, I'm watching it,
and the scene and she rolls down her window right and they're like, can
we you know, and talk to you, and then it goes black,
like okay, that was a short, odd scene. And then it comes
back and she's outside the car responding to a question that we never heard answer.
It's a continuation and that's how these commercial person even like the structure of
this episode got thrown off somewhere. I don't even know where exactly that these
would have gone, but I presumably on the way from from her leaving Metropolis
to getting back to the talent too late, right that that that that where
I thought they would go. But did you did you recognize this this FBI
agent? He looked familiar. So he is in infamous, this actor and
this character so so so Michael Rodgers plays Agent Black, and I thought,
oh, this is kind of cool because infamous, like you know, you
reset the timeline and stuff. And then that guy never in that timeline that
guy's investigating Clark is an alien, but in this timeline he's investigating Davis being
a circle. I'm like, oh, that's a kind of cool cyclical thing.
He's still credited like on IMDb, but he doesn't appear in this episode
obviously, and this would have been his only other small level appearance, but
like as government FBI guy, I thought that's a pretty cool little bit of
continuity, right. Also, like everybody else, Uh, he was a
Boistark Blacktica. Yeah. Oh, anyway, played character Brooks who I don't
really remember. I you don't let me look? Um oh he will.
Hey he wasn't. He was an arrow. Uh he was. He was
Surgey and Arrow and in season two Keep Your Enemies Closer. Wow. Uh,
let's see, he was in Fringe Bates Motel there, he's supernatural.
He played Gluttony oh okay in seasons and he also played another call called HERV
in season nine. So so season three would glutton you have been in like
one of the early episodes when they released the seven sins as the demons there,
you would know more than anybody. That'd be like episode one or two
of season three. I haven't watched in a long time. He was Yeah
that kill you. You know, all those lectors make the throw way around
the season Blacklist, he was the Blacklist. He Oh, he was in
Supergirl. He was a one episode of Supergirl season two. He played a
hannibal. So oh, what's it? Okay, um, yeah, he's
also in the show on one episode of the show called Agent X. And
I want to watch this show. I've heard of about this, right,
it's an Agent X and I want to watch it because John Shay from Lewis
and Clark, who played you know, Lex Luthor, he's the president and
the United States in that show. I want to watch any show where Alex
Luthor actor plays the president and it actually actually stars Sharon Stone as the vice
president. James Earl Jones is a guest star. Like it's out, Like
I'm gonna watch this show and it's one of these you know, one season
shows. But anyway, okay, all this crazy rabbit hole we just falled
out. But anyway, I thought it was interesting, crazier if on Supergirl
and on The Arrow he was an agent and black like this little thing that
if you're a huge nerd you watch all these shows. He just puts the
same person in everything. He would have been the Munch from Law and Order
showing up on all the shows that the small version of that. Um but
the crazy rabbit hole we've fallen into. But anyway, the point of this
FBI agent was like, Hey, this guy called you ten times and one
day you gotta have some connection, right, No Davids and are just friends,
which is like the whole premise of this episode, by the way,
like Chloe be like, oh dudes, I'm just friends. But yeah,
um, interesting what the guy says though, He's like, I know a
lot of women like you. They fall from the wrong guy. They always
seem the can change them, and they're always wrong. I was like,
this guy's right, he is and that's why I think in a way this
could have worked. It's a lot of foreshadowing. It's a lot of people
telling Chloe, you're this is not gonna work. You have to have a
better solution, and Nope, she doesn't listen. Should have listened to Agent
Blackloe would have been a lot better off. So they're deleted scenes. Let's
jump into itin beast, I would do anything for you. You can save
me, but you may be the only one you don't know anything about Davis
and I are gone. I don't want you to find this one all new
episode next Thursday at eight seventh Central. Beast. This is the twentieth episode
of Smallville's eighth season and aired on April thirtieth, two thousand and nine.
Was Mike Genevieve Sparling and directed by Michael Roll. So, Tyler, I
don't know if you remember, but here in season eight, we're doing the
ratings. Watch yeah, these episodes. And for a little context, right,
Beast, as I said, came out April thirtieth, that is one
week after Stiletto, so there's no big break or anything. Stiletto got three
point one million viewers. And for a little more context, way back in
September two thousand and eight, Odyssey, the season's premiere. Odyssey, the
season premiere got four point three four million viewers. So where do you think
we are? One week after Stiletto, one week after three point one million
two point nine So you think we went down? I think so, because
I feel like Stiletto is not like the strong this episode, because it's one
of those episodes I've seen but I never really like remember it because I always
just thought the whole thing was kind of your logic is sound, you know.
In my memory, I was like, this is one of the worst
episodes of the show. Then I watched, I'm like, yes, it's
fine. It's just like a Lowis and Clark episode in the middle of smallvel
for some reason. But your logic is sound, Tyler. But you would
be incorrect because that ratings actually went up and it's three point two three,
So I feel I feel like this episode is better, like I would want
it too. But you know a lot of times you have a bad episode
and then the one that falls after a you know, it goes down because
people last week like I don't want that. That's what you base it off
of the previous week. It's the gauge, right, but no, we're
three point two three. Uh. And then hey, spoilers because I know
our next guest won't hear this before they record their episode. Yes, it
goes up keeps going up. It should because we're building, I mean,
but we are building to the end, you know, and sometimes it helps
and we'll go back to the flash here like they have promoted next week's episode
after this three episode slump they were in. So the ratings are going to
shoot up tomorrow as if we record this because it's the big return of a
certain character. So I don't know what the marketing was like, you know,
you shift the focus back to Davis with this episode and a big fight
that might draw people back in. Like, okay, well that looks better
than last week. So yeah, well I'll tell you what, Siletto,
that was the lowest rated episode of the season. There you go, But
that's coming after Eternal, which is very frustrating episode which for its own right,
So there you go. There those all your ratings and your factors and
all that. But this episode starts out and Tyler, did you remember that
this was a dream sequence? I did? I did not? I did
because my okay, my wife really likes watching Small Bill with me, but
she prefers the latter seasons because she likes Lois a lot more than she likes
what they did with Lana. So it seems like a lot of times when
she watches it with me, we find ourselves in the seasons and I really
like, like I said, I really like Sam in his performance, so
i'd seen this a little bit more. Um, Well, yeah, this
this dream sequence, U, it has a shot in it that I'm very
surprised in some ways that got away with at the time. The one on
the very ends. Yeah, okay, yeah, cool, Well let's let's
let's let's work up to that, right, so we have what You Feel
by Chris Levy play and they play this this this song book ends is the
episode, right, it's at the beginning and the end. It's a pretty
good song. It's it's like classic Smallville. It's been a while since we
had one of these. Uh, it didn't really leave an impression with me.
If it had been if this song had been like season one or two
or three, I feel like I would have downloaded online, if you know
what I'm saying. Yes, most of those songs in season one and two
three I have or had at the time, you know what I'm saying,
Like it would come on. I was like, I already got that on
my list, already had of this one hundred years by five for finding it's
so good anyway, but it really it's that's the tone, right because Chloe
gets a phone call from Davis, Oh you come downstairs, and uh she
got on the stairs. By the way, did you know these posters like
Lobo posters yeah, like was that supposed to hang at like it's not real
or was it just kind of like maybe someone will catch this, maybe they
want no because those are really there. They're in the deleted scenes too,
so it's like, I guess it's just some kind of reference to Lobo.
Lobo a character. I'm actually kind of surprised Smallbill never did like just some
punk guy on a motorcycle with a leather jacket, Like come on, like,
yeah, look at how they translated so many other characters. That's an
easy one to translate. Yeah, it really is. I mean kind of
like how they did him on Krypton, Like it just seems like for like
a one off kind of like a like Maxima, like how they did her
like zact. What I was thinking, like, if you if you ever
brought Maxima back for some reason, maybe it's because the DCAU I'm thinking this,
but like the Lobo Maxima connection, but if you ever brought her back,
what you do and if they're a lowo in there, right, that's
you're running ideas in season ten, you're doing stuff like the hangovers, so
you get it on a Lobo episode. Anyway, she goes on there and
it's so romantic. There's rose petals and candles and there's like a thousand candles
style. It's gonna be so hot in there, but I do. I
actually thought was kind of cute where she's I don't remember there being any of
roses or candles down here. He's like, he's like, Davis, I
told you she can't be going out right. It was girlfool. So I
mean it checks out, Like I really I did not remember this being a
dream sequence. I was like, well this, this is kind of creepy,
but it totally checks out what this guy's doing, right, Yeah,
but uh, they started talking about friends, like well this is friends.
Friends help each other out right, right, right, all this friends talk,
That's how I hang out with my friends. But then then he said,
I remember this is Chloe's dream, and he says something about like it's
like when we first met and there's like chaos and smoke. But for a
moment, right, it was just clarity. It was you and me,
And I was like, okay, that that's creepy, but it checks out.
He would say this, but this is Chloe's dream, Tyler, why
would she think this? I put in my notes after this, that's a
lot to unpack, because there's also the quote without you, the man I
want to be doesn't exist. That's a good quote though, like I should
use that single Guys out there, use that lie. I'm sure that would
go very well for you. But it's true though it's actually true in his
case, it is, But that's one of those lines that could be taken
as a positive or as a negative. That's true, Like we go into
full like psychopath territory stalker dude in this episode with it for sure. But
then they kiss and it's it's a very heavy makeout session. I remember,
I had forgotten this happened, but watching the promos like this was in a
promo or something, I'm like, damn, I didn't remember Davis and Chloe
getting like hot and heavy like that. But again, this is a dream
and it's a pretty intense makeout session, I think. But then what is
Chloe c taler? She sees blood? Of course, what do you think
was gonna happen? And there's in your own dream You're telling yourself you're wrong,
this is your subcon I'm just trying to help you. But it's a
crazy like reveal, like I don't know in the boiler room or whatever of
the of the talent, right, So it's a crazy real she she falls
the trill of live. She pulls this tart back and what do we see?
We see half of Clark hanging up. It's like his chest, his
head, the legs are like his midsection. Torso's gone. There's like it's
like just the fleshy part hanging in blood and the s on his like painted
on his chest like the scarecrow. It's a really first of all, it's
a very intense image, Like you said, I am a little surprised that
I think I've got away with this in you know, seven o'clock Central Line,
the Cweau nine. But secondly, did they have like a prop of
Clark from the pilot laying around and they decided to use for this, Like
it's it's strange to me like they would choose this particular image because it's like
the with the s painting on his chest. It's so iconic. You know,
I have the poster hanging my office back here. It's like it's literally
that image. It's that just like plastered onto like the pipes or something,
right, and it's it's it's a really strange choice, I think to call
back to that pilot image. That's what makes me think it's like a leftover
prop or something. Well I was, I mean, yeah, it also
wonder like the Closes never saw him like that. Yeah, okay, dang
see now, like I'm digging even more because I didn't even think about it,
because I was like, you know, if they were, if they
were gonna, you know, really try to hammer him, like the imagery
of like good and evil, because you know, him on the scarecrow was
kind of like the whole cross crucifixion kind of thing, like this is like
but yeah, it's so quick and she didn't even see him, Like,
yeah, that's just weird. I think it was. It was. It's
one of those things I think they just threw out there for shock value,
but then they always think it through. Yeah you know, and it's it's
it's it's self referential, but it has no place being self referential, like,
well, right, Clark can remember Clark can have a nightmare like this,
like I'm final CLU because he experienced that. That would be a horrible
thing that you remember and what I would like to have her She doesn't have
this poster, she doesn't see this image. Yeah, it's so strange,
but anyway, but it looks it's very shocking, very effective. And then
it's the trope of like, you know, her waking up again, like
you know, even though it you know, it's it's kind of like the
double it's not quite the double nightmare thing because she wasn't asleep yet, but
she was going to sleep at the beginning of us quote unquote you know,
yeah dream so there you guy. Then she wakes up and then we cut
to the opening credits and that show it's Look, it's an effective beat.
It just doesn't make logical sense when you start thinking about it. It makes
me think that it's somebody who came in. And I see this a lot
with Supernatural in the later seasons where they got new writers who don't know the
show as strongly, and they just they have scenes kind of like this,
like references or callbacks that never really when you stop and think, don't exactly
makes sense if you know the show's mythology in itself. But they might not
know because they're like they just got hired as a writer. So like,
oh, that's just that great image. Let's let's let's look at let's look
at Jenny Vives, Sparling's tracker got on some model. Let's see, she
has seven episodes, so she's written on the show, okay, and she's
got Progeny, which is a complete waste of Linda Carter and I really don't
like that episode. She has Beast, which we'll talk about here, Roulette,
which she made. She likes Roddy for Chloe. Doesn't she interesting Roulette?
All of her episode Escape, which actually really liked that episode. Again,
heavy on Chloe because it's that's the silver Man she episod or where they
go to the It's like it was. I always say this, it's very
They needed that episode to clean up all the relationship nonsense between the four of
them. That's why I like that. It was a and then season ten,
she writes, isis yeah, we just recently rewatched that because we talked
about it, because A references conduct and black. Oh yeah, there there's
your connection. There a chorus pros and cons to that one. And then
check this out, Kent't okay. Episode made me cry. One of the
best episodes of the show. So anyway, a lot can go on a
writer's room. I don't know who's responsible for web for there. But since
you rote off the whole like you know that, that's a pretty good point
there about you know, people who were not they're how the encycltic knowledge we
do of the show, they were there at the beginning. They're like,
oh, well that's it. Everybody knows the Clark on the Cross, right,
we'll put that in the episode. That probably that was probably the thinking
there by Jennet Vieve Sparling. So there you go. That is your opening.
Does it give us any insight into Chloe's psyche here, Tyler ethink.
I think what we've got a reference is that she is in one way romanticizing
this relationship with Davis. She does have she keeps telling herself and I think
in a lot of ways she does have the interest in Davis. And then
so she realizes when she stops and sees who he really is, and then,
like we said, her own subconsciousness telling her like this is not going
to work out. You need to get away from this, and she doesn't
even want to listen to herself. Yeah, and that's really the dilemma of
the whole episode, right, because we go to the opening credits, we
come back and Chloe is you know, obviously shaken by her nightmare, making
herself some coffee, gets a phone call from Davis, which she ignores,
right because as you would, because you know, in her jetmare, she
got a call and all this, all this stuff happened. Then Clark shows
up, and I gotta say, I love this look for Clark. The
blue shirt, blue jacket. Yes, I put a blue shirt, blue
jacket. Very not that all friendly scene is this. This is the first
time we ever see it, I think, and it's only a handful of
times, maybe like in the last I think it only shows up here and
you're the end of the show, and I can't believe they never tried this
before. I'm so just because of watching it off and on. But yeah,
it's it's a look that is nice to see and just kind of mix
it up. And I mean it's not that uncommon, you know, That's
what it is. It's it's like, yeah, i'd wear a blue shirt
with a blue jacket like I probably do all the time. And I do.
I have a blue jacket, and I have a ton of blue shirt
like that range in color. So yeah, it doesn't it doesn't pop as
much as a solid blue shirt with a red jacket. Well, the jacket,
general, Pops, Just dude, imagine a red shirt and a red
jacket. How how much of an eyesore would that have been? That'd be
an episode of Power Rangers. The reverse of this, right, the cheer
red jacket would not have worked. But and I think I think he hit
the nail on the head. That only has to look good. It's a
normal wardrobe combination as opposed to the blue shirt red jacket, and just and
again we're getting away from well Clark had been for the most part this season,
getting away from wearing the red jacket, blue shirt when he's not the
red blue blur. And that's why we get these new costumes because I'll tell
you man seasons. I know he started wearing it like around season two,
like very special episodes like Rosetta and stuff. But like season four through seven,
that blue shirt, red jacket. That's why it's a tally board thing.
Right, got insufferable, Like I can't believe he's wearing this all the
time, and he just looks like a normal person unless of a cartoon character.
I know we're talking a lot about it, but you can't see both
our eyes lit up when we're talking about this like it was just such I
remember him like at the time, it's like, that's an amazing look,
Clark, thank you. Anyway, what episode was that you and I reviewed
where he wore a yellow flannel like in one saw it towards the end of
an episode he was in he had a white T shirt with a yellow flannel.
He was in a hospital scene and it was early on Oh, I
think, I think I remember I was talking about this too, I could.
We were so excited, like, oh my gosh, this is so
out of left field. But in his color spectrum, right, I remember
the yellow T shirt from Duplicity which looked bad, and even think on talk
for They're like, yeah, that looked bad, so we never we never
wore that again. So those priebrate colors there. But anyway, Clark's here,
he's in a great outfit and he thinks that Davis Bloom is still alive
because he's been doing some research and he's seen that uh Bruno Mannheim, it's
Doug from the last episode, right, who attacked Chloe found the body in
the dumpster, right, which is interesting, like where was that was the
talent dumpster? Right? So it was in another dumpster like Clark would have
been like he was here, Chloe. But I think this is them not
remembering all of the details. It's interesting when they leaned so heavily into conduity
and then forget like obvious things like that. But what an epic fail by
by Oliver Queen here because Oliver buried his body. Yeah, it's like,
dude, you gotta you gotta put that thing. You gotta shoot that into
space, you know, I mean, you don't just bury him in a
wherever they bury him, right, because yeah, that's an appropriate space with
the corn Field killer. Right. But Chloe is like deflecting a gaslighting,
and Clark's like, hey, look, these people were killed the same way
Dooms they killed his victims. So I think it's I think it's Davis,
And I can't believe this is such a bad look for Chloe. She tells
Clark, quote, the only thing keeping him alive in your mind is fear,
Like, well, you're keeping this guy twenty feet away in the basement,
and rewind your best friend like this to his face. This is one
of those examples where like a good like sweep like Chloe, I think he's
still close, like just can do a quick sweep with your X ray vision
like sparing, which is how he finds him later when he gets there.
Yeah, it's like the end of the episode. You know what I'm saying,
Like like, Clo, he's worried for Chloe. You think you have
these like ex sensories like you know, Cloe, I'm worried about you.
I'm listening to make sure no one else is here. We are safety.
Oh there he is, like this episode women over like in ten minutes.
Well that's the problem they got. They gotta keep it going, right,
So there we go. Yeah we got Chloe. Just lie in the Clark's
face. Look with Oliver at the ASA Clubs and he's doing a doing a
business meeting there, Tyler. Yeah, he's working, and uh, I
have in mind this is where you don't have Oliver's running Luther Court. Jimmy
is now on drugs because I totally forgot, like leading up to the episodes
they kind of did they try to do this whole Jimmy on drugs thing,
and I was like, oh, yeah, Mike his pain killer addiction.
Like I like he comes up to the Oliver and hey, I'm talked for
a second. This is really important, right. So they walk off and
he's like, oh, starting up your lunch and Oliver's like, there's not
my frat bros. I'm here on business. Yeah, And he's like,
oh, I'm sorry. I just I don't know about using back, but
I don't have any like casual friends with billionaires, you know, just walk
up to you like, hey, man, um, can I borrow like,
you know, some couple hundred dollars from my car? Like that's what
they just carry in their wallet, dude, Yeah, here, here's here's
a five hundred dollars bill which you only could just go away. Well,
I like he has a very specific request. He was like, I need
six hundred dollars I needed asap. And I guess he's The implication was at
the end of Stiletto, though, like he took all this extra fake printed
money that the printed with the kryptonite, right because he went and bought some
more drugs. And he's like, oh, yeah, did he blow through
that already? God, man, get your addiction under control. But I
guess that's the point. He can't control it. I just want to know,
do we ever established that Jimmy had a car like I thought he did
back in season seven. But but that was when they were in Smallville.
More. Oh, I remember his car getting remembered by the and fierce,
right he gains frozen. Yeah, that's what I'm thinking. And that's that's
back in season seven. Yeah, it's over a year ago now, so
I don't know. But he's saying that the you know, alternator of his
car went out, which is fair. That really sucks, you know that
when that happens to people, right, I've had to happen. But Oliver,
he susses him out perfectly. He's like, I'm pretty sure it's not
your car that needs to fix, buddy. I just love the Oliver's what
I love is Oliver like, look, I'll pay for your treatment. We'll
keep a hush hush, I'll put you somewhere and I'll pay for it.
Like that's showing us signs like yeah, Oliver has the money, but still
a good friend. He's like, he's not just willing not to give Jimmy
the money for drugs. He's like, look, pained, I'll get you.
I'll help get you clean and get you on the straight and narrow.
Now, Oliver's one hundred percent of the right here, and I really like
how he handled it. But all that being said, as much as I
don't like this Jimmy on Drugs a plot, I thought this was hilarious.
Jimmy says, are you gonna drive me there too? Because my car doesn't
work? He's sticking with that line to the bitter end. Fan. I
thought that was that I would have loved it. At one point he was
talking to Oliver and Jimmy gets a call from the mechanic like, are you
coming to pay for your car? And nine? And Oliver's like, but
I like that he was so like not willing to give up on the line
because in so many of these shows when people are confronted like, oh,
you're right, you got me, but no, like in the real world
that people don't back down with the lines like this. So I really that
should have been a deleted scene. Jimmy had a mechanic by the way,
you know how you know how Oliver consus is stuff out right? So his
uh Kevin Pearson experience on This is Us, Yeah, exactly what I thought
of for sure. So listen, I've been there, Jimmy. I have
to hurt my leg, you know, I got these faint killers anyway,
talking about Kevin Pearson, This is Us by the way, check it out.
It's a great show. But speaking of Oliver, Choe's confessing to doctor
Hamilton about Davis, and Hamilton's like, well, we gotta I gotta tell
Oliver about this, and she says Oliver can't be trusted because he killed Lex
Luthor, Like, and I mean that, what does that have to do
with this? Right? I mean it was wrong, but you know what
I'm saying, Yeah, I mean it was wrong. But it's like that's
one thing that's not kind of her thing to tell too, you're just kind
of trying to I saw it as attacted to exceed doubt so that Emil won't
turn to Oliver to tell him and her himself. Oh absolutely. She is
such a liar and manipulated this episode like it's it's too much my nose constantly
say Chloe, what happened to your loyalty? Like and then we get we'll
get there at the end, but like I'm still like, well, I
tell you what happened to her loyalty? He went to Davis? Right,
That's that's that's the problem here. Right. But by the way, doctor
Hampton, some epic sideburns. Have you noticed this? Yes, because it's
the eldest impersonation when he gets there. Man, he's exact way there,
right, But but no, I really like Alisano Giulianti. I loved him.
I actically he was her Gaeta and uh. I love being the only
person in Man of Steel who recognized him and was like two Doctor Hamilts at
the same time. Yes, of course he's a Man of Steel like so
many other small blactors are. But it's interesting because he and Richard Schiff are
the same scene. Richard Ship's playing that backdampt so that Yeah, that was
cool. But yeah, I guess I had never really noticed before, like
that his hairstyle here on small with these epic seventies sideburns, Like get him
in a Star Wars project as soon as possible, because he would totally fit
in with the with the hairstyle, right, Yeah, they'd be liked did
we do that in makeup? Like? No, that's just me, man,
that's just bro. It's all premeditated. Partner Chloe makes a pretty good
web MD joke, which is pretty funny. I thought about looking up alien
and diseases and stuff. But this is where they bring up the whole water
bottle thing because he because doctor Hammond's like, well, I would need to
see him in person, and Chloe's well, that's not gonna happen. He's
like, well, I need some cells somehow. And then she gives him
this this water bottle, right, which was set up in the other scene.
That's why it was confusing, and that's why I feel like, like
you said, like they changed did of how it's gonna float and just kind
of condensed some things together. It looks like an insert shot even, right,
get some money in a car and hold this bag up and I don't
know, but he's gonna see what he can do with it. Right,
So then Chloe gets out of the car and then immediately out of out of
nowhere, she runs into Davis. Oh yeah, I got the line.
I got the line. Nothing helps Chloe. I can't be away from you.
You know it looks at your photos. I held your hair. I'm
like, dude, you are a sick person at that point, like you
know, like this can't go on, Like even if we're holding hands and
skipping all day long every day, like this is not gonna go on.
Well, like anything else, he builds up. You build up a tolerance
too, right, Like he was taking those anti psychotic drugs and whatever,
they build up a tolerance and that and and isn't that the character of Doomsday
in this or they have him set up here anyways? Is that whatever or
works or doesn't work kills him affects him in any way, he builds up
a tolerance to overcome it. And that's how he got resurrected anyway. I
mean, like you're talking about the anti psychotics, like those were dumbing down
his brain in a since weakending him. Yeah, so he built the like
you know in his DNA was to overcome it so it would no longer affect
him. And that's just kind of what he is period. Yeah, So
he tell me he came two hours to Metropolis to find her. Um,
I think maybe he just leaped like the Hulk. Well we'll put a pin
in that, because he has some powers later that he never had before him
in this human form. But you have mad on sence. This is re
established Tither. But in Abyss, after Chloe's mind gets raised and she's talking
about Clark running errands to Metropolis and it would be two hours away, like
the show re established it was really far because in season seven, like again
I probably quoted this morning anything else on the podcast with Lionels, like it's
a small how just outside the city, right, Like, all right,
we've red conned the three hours away from season three in truth right to it's
a small town just outside the city. I'm like, all right, fine,
right, but then to go back to the oh it's two hours away,
and then still have these characters going back and forth in this very episode
right two hours away. He doesn't have a car. I don't know anyway,
And I've told you before, is I live in a small city outside
you know, Columbus, Ohio. So it's like thirty five thirty to forty
minutes to Columbus, depending if you're going downtown or what. And that's how
I always feel like they try to make Smallville into it's like, oh,
just outside the city, you know, three hours away. I'm looking at
going from where I am to like Cleveland or Toledo actually where James, my
co host actually lives. Like so that's you know, three hours to James.
I've done that trip in a day, three hours up seeing him for
a while, you know, hours three back down you are doing that every
day. I'm telling you, like, that's no, that's ridiculous. But
I like this other uh Davis quote that happens where they talk about leaving together
and it says, honestly, tell me by the most important person in your
life, I would do anything for you. Davis what they're phone psycho.
But oh, so they're at they're back in the basement at this point,
right and koye, we need even mention this. But Clark had brought into
a Daily Planet headline calling Davis the the the Cornfield Killer. He's like,
oh, tested put out all this you know, stuff about Davis still being
alive, and Cooe shows us to him so like, well, I didn't
want to shright before because I didn't want to upset you. But this is
getting pretty serious, right, so everybody knows that you're this killer and it's
yeah. For Coe had to say to get to the point where she's gonna
be like, I would do anything for you, I'm like, dude,
like come on, like and and then the the the Creepy Davis music plays
like, oh, you know it is. It is creepy. It is
unsettling, but they that that music gets a lettle play and the end of
season eight, doesn't it. They're like, we paid for this, we
were gonna play this whenever we can. It's exactly right. But then we
get to m Oliver at his Luther Coorp. Office. What do you what
do you think Oliver's Luther Corp. Office. M It's just kind of weird
that he's in Luther Core period like that. I don't know. I just
like, I'm glad he's off the plane, like we literally blew up the
plan. Yeah, yeah, yeah, we're yeah, yeah, I'm glad.
But the factor, like the like the Lex and Linel office was such
a cool set and they've like made it. I don't like that, Like
there's like piping on the wall now, like you're in some industrial you know.
I just I don't. I don't know how a fan of this of
this set. So Clark shows up to talk about Davis, and he tells
Oliver like, hey, I went to the grave you put him in.
It's empty. It looks like something clawed out. Nobody dug him out,
something clawed out. So obviously Davis turned back into Doomsday and clawed himself out
and then gone back to being human, and then of course went to the
talent to as schooling to live with him forever. I guess that's hot,
you know, honestly, I guess the title is beauty like Beast. It
is approved because this is the most beauty and the beast of all the I
guess what's going on here, right? Yeah, So okay, I'll give
it to you all right. The way it works, it works to this
episode. We'll find another title for Eternal. That's the one that needs a
new title. But but speaking of Oliver says, I can tell you how
to Conquer the Beast. Episode title said an episode. So there you go.
There, that's why the episode title came in mind there, but I
caught it later. It's said by another character. It said a lot actually,
right, Jimmy says it too. Yep, that's the one that I
highlighted. Beast. Yeah, because the way, because it was the way
he said it like it was very almost yeah, almost like he broke the
fourth wall, look right at you, beast. Yeah. Now, I
thought this was a line from the finale where Oliver's like, kick his ass,
Clark, get this thing out of our lives forever, right in my
Marie, This is from Doomsday, like the season finale, but it was
just here, I'm like, oh, okay, sure because they have this
argument about the kill no kill argument, which is the you know, crux
of of Oliver and Clark having some disagreements this season about killing or not killing,
and yeah, Oliver wants him to kill Doomsday and Clark's like, no,
I don't do that. No he doesn't. Like he has another plan,
which is always my favorite plan for Superman when he fights Doomsday. This
at least has a little bit of a twist to it. But this is
always my thoughts when I'm like, oh, he's gonna fight Doomsday, what
is he gonna do? This is what he's gonna do? It was it?
Did they ever say why he didn't get the phantoms own Projector in the
in the comic books in nineteen ninety three? Nope, that was all.
That's always my joke, Like when I talked to my wife, like,
if you were fighting Doomsday like phantom zone Projector, and then I'm like,
or just claim in space, just grab him. I'm I'm not like,
I'm mans powers. I really wouldn't fight anybody. I would just be like,
there'd be a very minimal effort and a lot of things just you know,
heat vision tows him to space phantom zone. You know that's what Superman
of the Movies does. Everything goes to space, all right, Doomsday goes
in space. Is odd continents, nucular vessel, nuclear missiles, elevators,
balls, exactly where you just put everything like throw into the sun. Throw
it into the sun. So let me get to Chloe. At isis talking
to doctor Hamilton on the computer screens there and she she's talking to him about
the cells that he got from the water bottle, and uh, Chloe's getting
kind of desperate now. She's like, all right, like I don't got
a lot of cards left to play. Uh, and what if? What
if I brought him into you? And I love how he said that's maybe
laughing out loud. He's like, frankly, I don't want him anywhere near
me. You see, he's seeing what his cells can do, right,
tell her. Yeah, he's like he was talked about trying to uh what
you like? Basically he saw that they are indestructible. So yeah, I
wouldn't. I'd be like the same thing. No, I don't want him.
I don't want him. I'm scared, Like, yeah, no,
he's he is a very sensible guy here, right, and that they talk
about like what would cause him the change? Like, oh, intense emotions
like love, hate, obsession, and Choe takes a moment. I'm like,
why I don't understand him? Like Chloe, obviously he's obsessed with you
and in love with you. That's why she seems to confused still about why
she is the cure for him. It's like it's very it seems pretty obvious
to all of us, right, Yes, it is, um Chloe if
every possible flag that could be thrown in her face is thrown in this episode
and she ignores every warning. Signed, Yeah, I gotta say, you
know, people like to give Alana a lot of crap for poor choice and
boyfriends or men, or or her betrayals of Clark. Right, Alanna,
I ain't got nothing on Chloe this season at all. Oh I mean this,
I mean even in this what we're talking abo right now, this is
where Chloe sends Clark to Alaska. Oh my god. Okay, yeah,
So well, first of all, she's like she she kind of like reverse
threatens. Hamilton's like for for telling people, He's, well, we have
to warn people about this guy. She's like, oh no, you don't
want to do that because you betray me, and if you betray me,
you betray him, and you don't want him in his bad side. I'm
like, this is what this is what you're gonna do. Right. She's
trying to like to keep him quiet, right, because Hamilton, again,
sensible guy, we got to warn people this serial killer, alien monster is
around, right, it's dangerous. Right. So then she basically, you
know, kind of hangs on him. So Okay, the thing with Clark,
it actually confused me for a second because I think in TV terms,
right, think about this. He he leaves Oliver's office, he superspeeds off,
right. He does say that he has his other plan, right,
let go to the fortress and figure out this whole thing. Right, But
when you see Clark's super speed away from one scene and the next time you
see him he's super speeds into a scene, in your mind, at least
has happened to me? I was like, did he run from Oliver's office
to Isis to talk to Chloe? The only person who thought this? That's
how I kind of would have thought it, because he would run to her
to talk about his plan. Feels like, logically, she's closer than him
going here back right, So I would think yeah, and I thought that,
and I was like in my mind, I was like, well,
this is dumb. The first thing he asked or is have you heard from
Oliver LEI because he attacked Oliver in his previous scene like hey, I'll take
care of Doomsday, you take care of Chloe, right, But then for
him to speed over to Chloe to be like, hey, here's from Oliver
Ley. But then he goes on to talk about oh, I went up
to the fortress and I got I got a faint signal from the console and
I found the crystal the brainiac used to release odd. I was like,
this, they clearly didn't know what to do with the fortress salted this pointing
time. I'm like, that would have been a better scene in this episode
of just seeing Clark like working on something in the fortress. It is where
were the crystals? Like what do you even? Like? You just gotta
show him like under like he's under a car like under the under the const
I found the found that blue crystal from season five, right, Um,
it's good continuity, but it's it's like they turned Jarrell off and take him
away. So many times it's like, because I guess we're to leave,
Yeah, we're less to believe the brainiac rupted it, which makes sense right
when he took over and doomsday was hatched there and all that stuff. But
then it's like, how does Darrell come back in season nine? That's never
I think it's ever explained. Clark's just training with him in season nine,
let's never explained. But over the summer, it's right, he worked on
it, right, But anyway, all that conversations like oh no, he
didn't super speed over from A to B, right, he went to Dartic
and did all this stuff and then came to talk to Choi, So I
would have liked it. I guess my problem is he should not have super
sped into the room, right, because that made you think that was the
end of what you had seen and run off from the previous time you saw.
Maybe I'll get may we'll getting too particularly here. But you know what
I'm saying, Oh no, no, it's it's the it's the same kind
of like in your brain, like he leaves here, comes in here,
You're like, okay, you buy it because the same action, yeah,
you know, and you don't think he went up to the Arctic for a
whole adventure in between. I mean maybe in the script origin there was a
scene of him in the artic and they cut that out in scripting and then
just didn't think about like maybe so the blocking of it all perhaps, Yeah,
anyway, but Clark kind of tells Kloys Plant is right. He's he's
gonna put him in the phantom zone, right, which is which is a
good plan. Like, as we said, like he craming if I'm wrong.
Did they not put dooms saying the phantom zone in uh just Asleep the
Animal series? Yeah, I think so, trying to remember, I know
they five him in a Superman five him in a volcano and they didn't do
it. That's a Superman thing. So yeah, the doomsday sanction, yeah,
huh. I don't know when this would have I thought in my head,
I can see Superman with the phantom zone projector and he said Jims day
there, but I can't. I can't place it. So it just it
makes sense because Clark's looking at him as more of the beast, Chloe sees
him as the man. There's a line later about I want to jump too
far ahead but just in the whole conversation of the idea of being in the
phantom then Chloe mentions like you would have you know, can put him in
a damned him, you know, being in the phantom zone. But there's
also a line about he could be himself. That was not okay, Yeah,
well let's put a fit of that. That was interesting. I thought
Clark was doing a kind of sleazy car salesman job on that. It's it's
a it's a twofold because it looks like it makes you ask, what is
himself? True? Because if because if we're going by the Beast of Doom's
day, he can be terrible in the phantom zone, you know, yeah,
exactly, so he can be who he is. But if you're looking
at Davis, but we still think Davis is the good there's a guy,
then no, he can't be. But at the same time, Davis is
condemned to a life of torment. Anyways, Well, I do, and
I do like the hard line that Superman is taking here, Clark is taking
here about the not killing thing. It's all it's an old cannon word to
talk about talk about it on an off air, and it's the whole crux
of Oliver and Clark are you in the season, But it's very It's made
very clear. Like I you know, I've said before, like you know,
Batman shouldn't kill people, but I don't. I think you're making kill
people. It's cool, but you look at this season and Clark just I'm
like, when is he I even said this. I'm like, when is
super I ever said I don't kill people? And like this very season and
Legion He's like, if there's any code of conduct has to do with me,
number one rule would be do not kill. Ever I'm like, well,
you kind of said it in my favorite chill, so I better abide
by it. So I like, and this is where conflict comes right from
him, Like he is imposing this choice on himself to not kill people,
and that makes it more complicated, right because he's the SUPERPROFERC guy. I
could kill any one if ever wanted to. But I like his line.
Henry says to Chloe, Like, Chloe, he's killed over fifty people and
he put Jimmy in the hospital. There's nothing more I can do for him.
I mean there it is right there, yeah, I mean yeah,
they realized they can't kill him. He is a killer. He is something
that's becoming unstoppable, and Chloe rationally has to believe that she can't. Just
in this episode alone, how far Davis moves in his I had a piece
of your hair. I looked at your photos like that's not gonna work.
So I kind of wish he had went to the phantom zone and like pulled
Chloe in with him or something like interesting, if I'm going you're going to
kind of thing like yeah, well yeah, he says nothing Clark later,
But but the spin Chloye does on this. She argues with Clark say no,
no, you can't do that. He's like why not. It's like,
well, well what if it like sucks you into He's like, well,
it's a risk I have to take. She's like, no, no,
no, no, it's it's the good of the world comes first,
right, And you know, because Clark's like you told me they actually put
the good of the world first. Of these things come and say, well,
that's that's them. I was talking about it. She's like her spin
is so like, I hate it. I hate her spin, trying to
convince the Clark and herself that it's oh no, it's it's not about him,
it's about you, right, So she sends she sends Clark, and
she said earlier, she sends him off to Alaska. She's like, well,
you know, I heard about these murders in Alaska. I didn't want
to alarm anybody until I've done my research. And Clark's like, okay,
no problem, I'm off. So she he superspeeds off to give her time
to figure out what to do next, because she had told Davis last time,
like in the basement there when they decided to leave town together, right,
like, let me just put in a few affairs in order, and
you know, I'll be back. And so this is what she's doing now,
and I can't I can't believe she's just just got Clark out of her
way like that. I know Alaska, Like that's not that far. She's
been better, Like in Russia, Chloe, I was just there at the
fortress. Yeah, exactly, Like that's just like two steps from the fortress,
Chloe. We're good. But but here we go. This is this
is a little supply here that I completely forgotten about. Tyler Oliver shows up
at the Talent right, he's looking for Chloe because Clark sent him to go
take care of Chloe, but he finds Jimmy going through chloe stuff looking for
drug money, and Jimmy's so pathetic. He's like, oh, it's it's
I'm not stealing, it's as I'm gonna pay it back now, you're not
Jimmy. But then they both get knocked out by Davis. Like, I
had no memory of this at all, Tyler, I just can't. This
made Jimmy more and more pathetic of like, I'm gonna pay it back.
Yeah, they get knocked out by Davis, and then Jimmy and Oliver are
held captive by Davis. And this is when Jimmy realized. He said,
that's where Jimmy says he's a beast. Yeah, because because oliversus, I've
seen your horns, which Jimmy connects to like the monster at the wedding.
Uh So, so it's all it's all coming up because he never made that
true connection before that he was the monster from from the wedding. Right by
the way they wake up tied up, we don't count that anymore in this
Talebory. That was only for Lex. When Lex spoke up died up,
that was very specific. So We're not going to count that this time around.
Uh he he drops a Basically, you wouldn't like me when I'm angry
lying on Jimmy because Jimmy's trying to trying to get a rise out of him,
and Chi calls him on the phone. She's like, oh, I'm
I'm going home now, and like I'm in Metropolis. It's like two hours
away, you know. And I think those those deleted scenes with the with
the FBI agents, what happened around here somewhere, those were right. But
I you know, I really like how Jimmy eggs on Davis here. I'm
like, good for you, Jimmy to having some some self respector I liked
how he was finally like standing up for himself here against Davis. Oliver says,
really Jones on a girl? Yeah, yeah, I do. Like.
Oliver's like, hey, man, I know it's like the Jones after
a girl. But Jimmy offers himself up to be to be killed, right.
He's like, look, you know someone killed me, but you your
two episodes to really Jimmy, right, yeah, which is crazy. It's
like that kind of makes me think again, like that was not planned.
Why would you tease that here and then do it two episodes later, man,
just because they were like, we need an emotional Cliff, and we
need something that really pushes Clark into be self exile. He puts himself in
and I'm playing himself for Jimmy's death. Right after, right after, you
know, I'm still no thunder, but right after something good happens with Clark
and Jimmy. Yeah, yeah, for sure, but you could call foreshadowing.
I guess it's like poetry arrives the only skilled him here. He didn't
come there, but we get a knockout to keep Clark's secret because because Davis
is like he's crushing He's about to crush his eyes and his skull and kill
him right, and Oliver has to talk him down, and he talks about
killing Jimmy because he's like, look, Chloe and Liver forgive you for this,
and Davis stops, like, you're right, you mean too much to
Jimmy, so that means I have to kill you, which is funny because
he's got both Chloe's ex and future husband here. It's pretty funny, right,
all the men that love Chloe. That's true. Clark shows up later
too, so literally everyone so in Smallville the official magazine number thirty three,
available wherever magazines are sold. Sam Witward talks about this scene with Justin Hartley
and also how they knew each other before Smallville. Quote, it was an
or to choke that man out. It's always fun to work with him,
and even better to render him unconscious. Justin is a really fun guy.
I didn't get to work with him that much, but the entire last two
episodes I filmed with Justin, we were just laughing the whole time. He's
a really cool guy. Meet Justin and Cassidy are all from Chicago, so
the three new regular kids on the set had that connection. That's cool.
But this is a knockout to keep Clark's secret because Jimmy gets knocked out so
Clark can show up and do some super things. They can talk without him
knowing a secret. And this is Davis choking Oliver out. And he says
his line, sometimes the monster really does get the girl. So again,
I guess Beast is an appropriate title. Beauty and the Beast. There you
go. Yeah, Clark's superspeed's in and unlike earlier today when he was here,
he uses his superhering and here's what's going on, Oliver being killed,
and Oliver's trying to, like, you know, talk Davis down, right,
but Clark is super piss when he breaks down. There isn't each other.
Yes they can't. They can't see my eyes right now, but yeah,
David's like, what you do to me? Clark? Right? And
I think this is an interesting uh shot here that echoes again talking about for
shadowing echoing the season finale where Clark kind of grabs Davis and super speeds off
with him. Like the way it's composed and the way Clark looks, it
looks just like he does the super leap in the season finale with Doomsday at
the end of Yeah, he does. So they speed off, and remember
that Clark is speeding off with Davis like they're using super speed to go up
to the Fortress of Solitude. All right, so how long you thing?
That probably takes them like a minute or less or like, okay, cool,
So let's just let's remember that continue on with the episode. Yeah,
totally, because a lot of time passes between the time of all this and
we catch up with them, right, So obviously Clark has saved Oliver and
Jimmy from the situation and this is some This is some well chosen stock footage.
I don't know if it was intentional or not. I gotta think it
is. Obviously it's stock footage of the exterior of the talent, right,
and it says a monster on the marquee right, probably like monster cappuccino or
whatever. Right, But because of Davis and all that, I think that
was a really cool I don't know, like we'll never know because probably some
intern was tasked with pulling that stock footage out. But did you catch that
tire um? No? I do not. There you go. But it
wasn't like The Beast like that. You know that that that movie from goes
on TV. Oh, dude, I love The Beast. Had Peter Benchley's
The Beast. Yes, then Peterson William Peterson right before he was famous from
CSI yep, I remember because I was so excited watching on Two Nights Dude.
I recorded those on TV. I still have those on VHS. I
like Giant Squid, Like I like Giant Squid more than sharks. So like
that's like, oh man, now arkatoth is ducks? Yeah? Man,
that actor play that Crazy Scientists. He shows up in all kinds of crazy
sci fi stuff. He's in Voyager, He's in Heroes, Yeah he was.
He's the guy that created the two uh Tracy's and Ali Larger's character and
all that. Anyway, I love the Beast. I'm so glad you brought
that up. Thank you for unlocking that that memory. I should rewatch it
some day. It's not gonna hold up as well as Jaws, I guarantee
you. But Peter Brigally wrote it so the same. He just wrote like,
oh, you want another one of these? Instead of a shark,
We'll do a giant squid. So the kid I was like, wait,
Peter eventually didn't he write Jaws man. Now he wrote another one called Creature.
Craig T. Nelson from Coach was the star of this TV movie and
I saw it once, but I didn't really care about it, so I
never liked revisitedn't remember it. But it was like some kind of hybrid shark
with legs or something. So it's OK, I'm gonna look that up.
Yeah, looked looked it up later. But yeah, if he if you
guys like Jaws, check out the Beast, you might. I mean it's
the Beasts, So yeah, you might like it. You might like it
again. Thank you for unlocking that. Remember it was so good. I
had a thought about this though, thinking about the Marquis and the coffee shop
sign, right, because I thought, oh, did a Marquis say that
earlier? Right? This this is how my this is how this thought came
to me. I was like, did it say that earlier? I don't
know. I'm not gonna rewind. And look, wait a minute, are
they changing the Marquis? Wait a minute, is the Talent still open?
And if so, surely someone would have found Davis in the basement by now?
Right? Is it just an apartment like because whenever we see it,
right, it's just Chloe there like herself. I don't think it's open anymore.
I don't think if anyone's running the talent because it was it was run
by Lana, that was her life, and then Luther Lex bought into it
and then that all went, you know, everywhere, there's like you said,
if someone was who was working as a business. Yeah, I don't
think the talent's open. That's a whole subplot that could have, Like Davis
is like killing the the workers that I'm gonna take the trash down to the
basement. No, No, go in the basement. It's it's that Goosebumps
title, Don't go in the Basement. It was a whole separate episode they
just deleted. Oh man, that would have been some drama anyway. That's
why I thought about that. I'm like, oh, if someone has changed
in the Marquee, that means the coffee shop is open. Wait a minute,
when was the last time we've seen someone not a main character there?
Right? I don't, I agree, I don't. I don't think it's
open anymore. So I guess the whole shut it down category. We'll see
if it gets mentioned again in any capacity. But anyway, Chloe shows up
and Oliver's people are there, Doctor Hamilton is there. I guess doctor Hamilton
told Oliver anyway, or I'm not sure exactly what something is. Something was
communicated where Oliver's people are cleaning up the mess before the cops get there.
Right, and wow, Tyler the dialogue here, okay, good, I
can already tell you're picking up when I'm putting down. Right. I thought
about calling the polife, but I thought i'd give you a chance to explain
first to Chloe. Right, And I'm like, oh, that's strike one
for the Alison mackawkward dialogue competition. Real going on here? Yeah, and
then like, oh, I shouldn't have left him alone. This is all
my fault, right, he needed me, and I like, I like,
how pissed off Oliver. He's like, well, he needed you,
all right, so the needs of the cornfield killer outway the rest of the
world, right, Like, he's pissed rightfully, So he got that.
And then your notes too, right. I love his ad Chloe. I
had it under control, Oliver. Okay, that's strike two. Strike three,
Oliver, When did you become one of the bad guys? All right?
Yikes? Like, look, I don't bring this off that off,
And I feel like I have been more in season eight because closing all these
questionable things. But it's like, damn rewatching this s nexium. You take
these lines out of context. It's it's crazy. I thought I had everything
under control. Sure you did. Anyway, you cannot let those dialogue.
You cannot let those lines pass without mentioning the awkwardness seeing them in an exchange
with Alison Mack. I think it's unfortunate, but there it is, right.
But Oliver has faith that Clark is going to finish the job. He's
like, well, it's in Clark's hands now, right, it's Oliver.
This is one you shouldn't have said that because since you said that, Chloe
knows. Chloe had known about Clark's plan right to send Davis to the Phantom
zone. So this clues her in. But but look at look at how
she reacts, and she's like, oh no, Clark, what's he gonna
do? He said, well, he took Davis, so he's gonna finish
the job. And she's so upset by this, right, like more more
so than anything else. And by the way, we skipped over, I
haven't talking about this, this awkward dialogue from Chloe. Here. Jimmy's there
and they're willing him out on a guard stretcher. Yeah, hospital is a
plus one. I guess we're taking them hospital, right, Yeah, we're
taking him there. He's ambulance. We'll cut it, we'll count it,
we'll count it. But she's like, oh my god, Jimmy, I'm
so sorry. She touches his arm. He has no reaction at all because
he's like, you're dead to me, right, which I agree with,
Like, if i'm him, I'm like, I'm so justified. The frendicated.
Yes, um, the person that put Jimmy in the hospital, that's
taken, as Jimmy said, we were taking everything from him is the one
Chloe's trying to protect. Yeah, and all he has to say is Chloe,
just stay away from that monster. I wouldn't even said that. I
just would have been like, you picked your own fate. Yeah. No,
I think he kind of took the high road, right because he thought,
like everybody like, oh, you must be like manipulating her mind,
and it's like, no, she's just choosing this of her own accord.
But because Oliver clue Kloe and what Clark was doing with Davis, we get
the resolution of this episode out. Remember Clark's super sped away with Davis,
Like I don't know how many hours ago this was, Tyler, Because by
the time Chloe gets to the talent, like Jimmy's being being carted off,
Oliver's doing his thing. You know, people are there, time has passed.
But he should be the fortress. But that should have happened already,
right, I mean the amount of time that even if yeah, I'm not
even gonna try, like all the stuff that they go through that should have
all been done, like Chloe coming out to the Talent should have been after
they left the fortress or something, just with how time compression works and how
fast Clark can move, and there's not even that. There's a whole another
component about what Chloe does after this. But we'll get there. We'll get
there shortly, right, But we're we're up at the fortress and Clark is
still kind of being nicier. He's like, oh, this is this is
the last remnants of our planet, because he's still thinking like Hymn Davis or
you know, Davis Kryptonian. I guess that's technically he is, but he's
a Kryptonian science experiment. Yeah, they act like he's just another person,
right, But this is where he makes the hard cell. On the Phantom
Zone. He's like, I'm going to send you to a place where you
won't have to hide who you are any longer, which is true, true,
true. I mean the phantoms that we've seen the Phantom Zone, it's
full of people who are fighters, killers, and monsters, and that's what
Davis is. But man, that's a that's a real bat and switch on
Clark's part. I mean it is, but at the same time it works
like he's like world without Choe, like I don't think so right, and
Clark's like, look, man, she doesn't like you. She just believes
in second chances, which I don't know. I don't even think the episode
knows honestly. But David tries to pull the whole like because Clark was like,
we should have been brothers. A couple of monsdodes ago and and they
showed us the picture of Sagthana mod and trying to act like that wasn't was
Davis. That's horrible. That's horrible where I kind of hate that. Again,
they thought the show was over alex is dead, so they're like,
well, I guess we better Yeah, I guess you better changed. Yeah,
that's that was their thinking. We gotta fix this, did you We
had where she chose to protect me and uh, you know she does not
feel for you, and uh, Davids, did you get the line where
says she makes me human? Oh? But it's true she does. She
literally does make him human. So there there is some good truth dialogue here.
You know he's just being human? No, there it is you win,
well played, sir, very good. Sam Webber started being human on
the Sci Fi Channel. Yeah, people are like, what are they talking
about? Well, if you listen to my interview with a close personal friend
of the podcast, Sam Webber earlier this season, you would know that exactly.
So Davis is all like, you do this your cryptotian brother, and
I like how they kind of like on retcon the retcon Clark's like, I
was wrong, We're not brothers. Yeah, it's like, okay, that
was stupid. Anyway, He's like, what good, Look you can't And
this is where this is where I have the problem here, Like they want
to do this a little preview of like, oh Clark versus Doomsday, Right,
So we have him getting mad and the eyes turned red, and then
Clark's gonna he has the crystal from season five. It's the blue crystal.
It's true, right, He's gonna put into the constle. Davis super speeds
over to Clark and stops him. And this is not how his powers have
worked up until this point. Tyler, Yeah, I was kind of thrown
off guard. I mean, it's just been recently that they started giving Doomsday
like heat vision, in which I also do not like. By the way,
um, since they've made him more you know, a Kryptonian. So
you know he's had heat vision and animation and in film. I don't think
he had heat vision in Krypton this series. Um No, I don't believe
so, and I don't. I don't like that. I don't want to
I don't want to have superspeed. I don't want him to have he visioned
like he is indestructible. Like that's enough, Like you know, he's an
indestructible destroyer. You can rip your part. He doesn't need to have.
It's the beam weapons, it's the slow power that's coming like um so yeah.
So I mean even if you look at that, like just him having
his doomsday physical body, the superspeed doesn't make sense at all because if we're
looking at it like he's a science experiment experiment with Kryptonian soum. If he's
gonna have super if they're going to be superspeed, it should be something maybe
when he's in full doomsday, but he's not like full Kryptonian, you know,
as we later have the whole black Kryptonite. But you'll get there.
So this is very weird. I'm not a fan. It's just it's just
they forgot, like what his power set was you know, I just I
didn't. I didn't like that Clark throws a punch at Davis here, and
that's more punches than he throws a doomsday during the final fight than the season
finale, isn't it. He gets punched, he does, he does.
This is very reminiscent. I mean to again reference back to season five and
Solitude where this blue crystal for show stuff in Brainiac. This fight is kind
of reminiscent of the Brainiac Clark fight in that episode. Again Brainiac having like
Supersteed and stuff, and I'm still like, well, he's replicating protoning,
Like I'm more okay with Brainiac like doing all that stuff. He's a machine.
Yeah, he's a machine that replicates things. But I again brain Ac
superspeed heat vision, but in this version that's what they did. Like,
what Davis is doing here is contradicting what they had set up, and that's
what's annoying about it. Right, So he's getting like, I don't know,
like we've seen him start to get bony and gray for less things than
this, So I don't know. I would have preferred it might have looked
weird, but maybe some kind of like halfway transformation would have got like the
bones up here and appeared like I've seen over his hand and like maybe gave
him like one hand like the Doomsday and like some teeth and just where he's
like trying to hold back, but at the same time he's you know,
changing, And that would have been a much better if you want to foreshadow
the fight, that would have been a much more intense look than somehow I
magically now how Superpowers Now? Speaking again. In Small Veil They Fussier Magazine
number thirty three, Samwitard talks about his Doomsday transformations and he says, quote,
You're going to love this, but it required zero effort. It was
all done by the Digital Wiz kids. It was all special effects. The
only makeup that I had to put on was them spring sweat on me.
I never had attitude with a makeup artist, but being sprayed down every take
wasn't my favorite thing. When it comes to the alternative, which was what
Dario had to go through in the Doomsday Suit, I didn't have to deal
with anything. I had a very easy job. Now, he mentions Dario,
who is the stunt devil, Dario Delasio, who plays the Monster dooms
Day in the Suit, and there's a whole article on that as well in
this magazine. We'll get to that and the season finale Doomsday, we'll talk
about some of that, but because obviously that's his most featured episode. So
yeah, I mean it's Davis with some you know, red eyes and some
strength and they're just kind of grappling there and he's like, if I go,
I'm taking you with me, like he's gonna pull cart get into the
phantom zone as well, which is kind of shows where he is. And
Chloe shows up and she opens up her palm and she has the octagonal disc,
which shows us that's how she got there. She must have gone to
the got gone to the book at your book, got in the disc,
gone into the cave, put that key in the slat of the cave,
and then in transport of the fortress. Right, that's presumably what she did,
right, Okay, I would take forever. This is like seriously,
like we're talking no joke. Three hours after Clark and David super sped up
to the fortress. So that breaks the whole time, like we're at what
days, at what times the territory again? Right with this is it isn't
nipicky for me to bring the stuff up, Tyler, you tell me,
no, m you've established things and how they work in the show, because
once you you're getting loose with these rules, these thoughts and how things work,
that you're just you're trying to just invent convenience. You want her there.
And that's why I said it would have been more interesting if we had
had a phone call with Chloe driving she was already like on our way back
to Smallville. She got a phone call from like Oliver, and she learned
that Clark had taken Davis, and she just zoomed straight to the caves that
I've been a little bit better, Tommy still wouldn't work, but it'd been
a little more forgivable than like obviously several hours and several steps that have to
take place for her to get where she used to go, right if she
had already been in Smallville, and just maybe like two blocks over would have
helped too. I'm about to pull up right, yeah, right, And
then she finds Oliver and Jimmy just chained up like that and they have the
same conversation. He could they didn't have to do with the way they did.
It is our point, right, right, you could have made it
more like that that you really have that taking clocks of her like Clark sending
Davis. You know, so it could have been her. She could have
been like as Clark leaves, she comes in right, and then it still
would have been a slight suspension of disbelief. But it's a way less of
a lift than all these things that happened before we catch up with him later.
And you have characters are super speed, man, like, you gotta
keep that into account, right, they could have done it, like it's
we're not asking impossible task. I think thinking, you know, I think
if she was pulling up while while all this was going down, right,
I mean, now it has been great editing of like she pulled up,
she gottat of a car, she's walking, and then we cut to them
in the base mate attention man the building exactly right. Think, like you
know, like Christopher Nolan Man is the master of like editing attention. I
think, like the Dark Knight, all these things like escalating and the inner
cutting and all that stuff. Like I'm not saying this has to me the
Dark Knight, but I'm saying, like that's a good blueprint for like,
you know, everyone is converging on this location. Is she gonna make it
in time? Is he gonna kill him? You know? All He's like,
that's the thing, right, is Dave was gonna kill Oliver Queen?
No? But then is Dave was gonna kill Jimmy Olson? Of course not,
but then he does so who knows well? But anyway, this is
the ultimate betraial of Clark. And this is just like the way she tays
Jimmy in the back, her taking the cristal out of the console. Here
ultimate betrail and hey, in the good column of continuity, she was there
in the fortress when this happened in season five. She saw how this works,
so that's how she knows how to undo it. It's just them getting
here there with sloppy But man, this is like Chloe, this is unforgivable.
Yeah, I mean, I really feel like I'm looking forward to rewatching
season nine for this thread, seeing them repair their relationship after this. Yeah,
like because usually when I watch, it's like the excitement of low us
getting closer to knowing about Clark and Zod's entrance and all the Candorians. But
I'm kind of interested in the rewatching season nine to see how the Chloe thing
comes back around and how she gets pulled back into their circle. Yeah,
I know there's tension because she wants Clark to use the Legion Ring to go
back in time and save Jimmy. But beyond that, I don't think they
I don't think they dwell too much on this because usually when they get over
like a questionable season finale, they're just like, yeah, we're not gonna
I gotta talk about the Tigues anymore. Yeah, we're not gonna talk about
Davis Bloom right, sameon. But her spin here it's just the worst.
Clark's like accuses her of not trusting him. She's like, trust you,
you didn't trust me to do and then she's like, you would never forgive
yourself for giving up on him, And that's her explanation for like stopping him
from sending Davis to the Phantom Zone. I call total bs on this.
Clark is so like shocked. I understand why he doesn't, like you would.
I don't know, Like, obviously he has super speed and superpowers,
and I guess he could have done something, but like he's so shocked by
the betrayal. Here of his best friend, Like I believe him just kind
of like standing there and not being able to do anything. Right. I
agree, he is hurt, and I mean you can look at Chloe being
the person he's trusted more than anybody, and there you have it, like
she just completely show everything in this phase. And now, Tyler, is
this the first time we see someone use the octagonal disk to do the reverse
teleportation from the fortress, because it's something we've always talked about. We're like,
Okay, you put the key in the slot right and the cave and
then you show up in the fortress. Are you holding on into the key?
Does the key go with you? Where? Obviously the key goes with
you because we eat here, like I don't remember, because but think about
arrival, right, Chloe's there, Clark super speeds her back. Well that
I guess arrivals a little different because he didn't. You didn't use the disk.
It was the actual he grabbed the crystal that teleported him. That's a
little different because I just think of him super speeding back from the fortress.
It's interesting because it would only be logical for it to work both ways,
right, right, But this is the first time we ever see. It's
actually nice little directorial thing like they like Dolly. The camera passed the pillar,
you know, and the fortress, and then they there's a big flashlight
and Chloe and Davis are gone. But this is Could this be the only
time we see this? It very well? Maybe I'm gonna keep my eyes
out for it. We'll keep an eyelands. I if I had to call
it, I would probably say it's the only time to do it, because
that's the But but then Clark, I mean, he knows where that takes
them, like he could super speed back to the cave. But again,
I think he's just so shocked by everything, you know. He yeah,
I mean he's shocked and hurt. And he said it's the ultimate betrayal.
Yeah, he's frozen in his footsteps. It is. But then we get
to Jimmy at Oliver's office and Oliver's looking something on his laptop. I don't
know what it is. Are we to assume it's something about Jimmy slash Henry
James Olsen because he's kind of like smiling, And then he has a line
about, uh, there's a little more than what he puts on his resume.
Yeah, aground check Now, is this about him being rich and buying
the watchdower? I would suspect. So they did have some you know,
we were joking about them not knowing what they were doing with Jimmy and thinking
this was sending hip next season. Maybe they were were Maybe this is all
just a giant red herring. But that's what I took from it, Like
they did a little research there, because we haven't shut that laptop post one,
because Oliver shuts that laptop on him, just not likes his laptop.
Now it's all the laptops, so it is it is likes his laptop because
it's luthercor property. Not that I even counts weak out all the lap thoughts.
But get's a good call there. But but they get beat. They
say beast again, right, they both say beast, and Oliver's he's again
harping on this this addiction thing. He's like, you know, maybe he's
not the beast out there, and you needn worry about the beast in here.
And that's it's a good line, right, because he's talking about the
addiction that Jimmy's dealing with. So I guess, of course Jimmy wants to
know like, what's the deal with the beast? And I was like,
I got people on it, like people on it who are but you know,
he's a billionaire. He doesn't know he's Green Arrow, but he knows
he's a billionaire, and he has resources out there looking for Chloe and stuff.
Um. But then Oliver gives him six hundred dollars and it's a paycheck.
What do you think of this whole thing? We talked about it briefly
off the top, but what do you think you're teller one? I mean,
it's not a horrible paycheck, but is that for forty hours for a
day and for two days? How much work? It's just an avant,
like you know what I'm saying, like, here's to fix your cards.
Jimmy did have another line that maybe laugh He's like, there are twelve steps
attached to it. I just want to know what job is Jimmy getting exactly
assistant? You know, but well, basically he says like there's more to
you know, there's more to your story than you write on your cover letter,
and something about basically like he was a hero right in the moment there
that kind of inspired Oliver to kind of see that there was more to him
that meets the eye, and you know that that's kind of where they leave
it, right, So, and I think you know it's the whole like
teach a man to fish dying with Jimmy going on here, right, Yeah,
maybe Oliver it would have been cool if he's the one someone he can
trust around him, like an assistant or something like. I don't know,
it could have been interesting. We'll never know. Yeah, it would have
been different for Jimmy Oilson. But concerning what they end up doing with him
on the show, and considering the kind of jobs that Lois lanehand over the
years, it's like, sure he can do this for a while before he
goes back and works as a photographer of the Daily Planet. Like but no,
Oliver gets some credit. He tells him that he figured out Davis was
a killer right before everyone else did. He confronted him a few episodes ago
by himself and that took courage, right, So that's kind of where he
isn't It's a good life advice, right because Jimmy's like, look, my
life is just the worst right now. And Oliver says, if you don't
like it, change it. Simple got you a job, Yeah, I
mean, I got you a job, you know, set up you mean,
you know, get your car fixed, and did you a place to
stay? Yeah, and again though, I still got the impression as we
talked about off the Top, I got the impression this was setting up like
these guys for next season. I that's the vibe I get from this scene.
Maybe maybe that's not the case, maybe it wasn't Red Harry, maybe
it was unintentional, But that's the vibe I got from this whole, Like,
Okay, Oliver's gonna help Jimmy get his life back together. This is
gonna be an ongoing plot instead of he's dead in two episodes. So yeah,
that's what happens when you love with the wrong woman. Marrying you was
the worst mistake in my life. A blue shirt, red jacket plus one.
Unfortunately, Clark has hung up the blue jacket wearing a red jacket.
Now he is an Isis and he's going through the computers and looking for Chloe
and things, and Oliver shows up, and he's many. They choose Oliver
to just be so judgmentle to Clark. Sometimes he's like, oh, you're
wasting your time, Clark. But I guess that's what you do best.
Huh. Oliver's he's I think it comes from a point where he expects more
from Clark. He wants more from Clark because he knows Clark can give more,
and also maybe a slight just a little bit of jealousy because Oliver wish,
you know, he had some of the ability to Clark had and he
could do more himself. No, I agree with all that. It's I
always think of rage the Maricau episode where he's like, I gotta worry about
stay alive and he crushes the class. It's you know, it's true,
there must be a certain level of envy from him. He's green with envy
because he's the green raw looking at that. But Clark is just Clark is
a denial about this. He cannot believe Chloe would do this right, and
he's he's thinks like, oh, maybe he's he's affecting reminds him how like
he's trying to justify because he can't he can't reconcile what happened with the person
he knows. And I get it right because this is way way out of
character right fore the Chloe we know, right, But Oliver again he uses
as a chance to kind of preach to Clark. He's like, people change
Clark, maybe it's time he did too. And then they clash about the
you know, killing or not killing, and you know it's about do with
the greater good. That's what heroes do. And this is where and I
don't remember. Is it not until the finale that Clark finds out that Oliver
kill Lex? Because I don't rewatch the end of the season eat very often.
I was expecting you here, Honestly, I was expecting Oliver to say,
you know what, I kill Lex for the greater good and you should
call doomsay, right, this would have been a good opportunity for him.
I think, Yeah, this is what happens. I think it's what Pine
of pushes Clark in the out their direction, not wanting to be killing.
Yeah, because he because that's what because I know we get the line here,
because yeah, it is, because we get the line later where he's
like, he's not one of us anymore. Mmm, I do remember that
that's we're talking to the Justice League. Yeah, and then Doomsday. Okay,
that's right. I don't want I don't still I don't want still know
who's under it yet it is right in there. Okay, that must be
all in the in the finale there so anyway, but then uh, Oliver
leaves and Clark looks over that high school photo Clark and Chloe, and the
song comes back, the song from the beginning of the episode. And I
did the small It rarely did this with the whole, like book ending with
the same song, but it did worked here. You know, it's well,
I mean, technically it worse because the song at the beginning was kind
of the dream and this is the reality. It'd be interesting if you can
find a song to kick off and start with that you have the original like
play at the beginning, and then like a cover at the end. Yeah,
you know what I'm saying, Like so that you're kind of changing the
perspective of the song, like a darker version or something, you know,
like m that might be too expensive for especially at this point, But no,
I see your point. I like the whole, like the romantic fantasy
and then like the harsh reality of what's actually here happening at and Clark gets
a call from a blocks number. Of course it's Chloe, and and of
course he answers it. I mean, yeah, all of us would just
be like voice. Now, that's the difference between two thousand and nine and
today. It's like, nope, I'm not answering. But they were like,
all sweet, someone's calling my cell phone? Were shut up? A
marketing calls. I saw some I saw some meme or message on Instagram or
something. It was. It's ironic that the generation that grew up having fun
prank calling people was tormented every day. But tell the marketing phone calls,
like, that's so true, that's us man. So but Chloe has this
line to Clark and she says, quote, everything I've ever done, right
or wrong, I did for you, Like God, Chloe, like,
I don't buy your justification, her justification, And I think this is what
we're supposed to believe. And tell me around Like she is so convinced that
by staying with Dave, like like staying and protecting and helping Davis deal with
this issue will save Clark. That's why she's doing it. That's what they
want us to think, right, Yeah, And my thing is she's so
worried about Davis killing Clark. I mean that's what the opening was about.
That's her fear is Davis will kill Clark. That she's trying to protect Clark,
and well, the Phantom Zone would have done it. My thought,
once again, I think if you had done something where it's kind of like
one of those she takes the crystal or something from Clark and she's the one
that tries to send Davis to the Phantom Zone, so she's taking the burden
off of Clark actually doing it. You know, it would have been a
much more impactful thing, because this is just kind of stupid, you know,
because she's saying, Clark, I'm trying to protect you, and she
knows like she can't do this. She knows that this isn't really protecting Clark,
it's just the laying inevitable. But I can understand where she was trying
to keep Clark from actually being the one responsible for sending him to the Phantom
Zone. So if it had been something where she actually tried to send Davis
to the Phantom Zone and didn't work, would have, you know, made
it a little bit better. Or she's like Clark, I know you're not
going to kill him and you're not going to do this or that, So
I had to make their hard choice and do this thing, right, Maybe
it backfired somehow and maybe Doomsday I got out of the phantom zone. I
don't know, right, maybe you do. Maybe that's like an episode a
few episodes ago where they send him they think that the thread is over,
but then somehow Test uses that orb and he comes out of it or right,
you know, and he's doing today. I don't know, something like
or you know, Chloe stole the crystal because she was going to take it
because you didn't want Clark to do it, but they never made it to
the fortress. Yeah, I just they're just spitballing here. They're like five
of the ways they could have played this out without having such a bad look
for her and and and for us to believe, like even Clark's like,
it's okay for your feelings for him. She's like, oh no, no,
we're just friends. But because she says, now I can save you.
Yeah, it's like, no matter all the media rocks I've thrown over
the years, I've never really saved you, but but now I can.
And it's like no, Clark's like, no, no, no, I
don't do this. I'm been a much better line if she had said that
and then she took like the crystal and shoved it and it opened the Phantom
Zone and she jumped in and Davis followed her or something, you know what
I'm saying. And then the whole thing is that was her sacrifice that Clark
has to decide that he's going to go into the Phantom Zone to get closed
down. That is the season finale. But I guess she already did that
with him in the going of the Phantom Zone. Man, come on,
like, you know how the show works, That's right, It's like,
oh, they did it before. They would never do something more than once
on this show three times. I think, just spitballing here, We've already
come up with better just plot lions, because really, though, I think
this is the worst plot line in the series. I'm not just talking about
your one off episodes. I'm talking about continuous subplots that go on multiple episodes.
I think it's really Yeah, it's worse than the lexon of pregnancy.
It's because that's another one that comes to mind. I'm just this is just
such It destroys, It literally destroys the character of Jimmy, and then it
like morally destroys the character of Chloy And I just do not like it.
Yeah, I agree, it's like it's weird. It's like it's like a
love triangle where no one is in love with each other except for Davis,
right because you know the way that they're talking on the phone and she has
to say goodbye and some heavy language man and this uh and then and then
when she hangs up on him, like like the anger, it's really cool,
Like he crushes the file cabinet right there. I'm like, yeah,
that's some that's some raw emotion there from from Clark, which we which we
rarely see. And then Davis comes out of this convence story gives her a
heart lolling pop. Yeah, he's all happy. He got he won,
he thought as she wanted. Yeah, and even like she like goes around
in the car, she's like, ah, guy, you can tell that
she's like she's scared, worried, freaked out. Yeah you think you mean,
but but I don't know what we're just supposed to think. Like,
I just I don't buy the Chloe had no other options and to do this,
and that's what the show has to make you think in order to not
be like Chloe, you were the worst. I just kind of feel like
if you were to take the phantom zone part out of this episode and build
that to like the next episode or something, because I don't remember exactly the
next episode. I remember the next episodes because I feel like when you put
that in there, it makes the any of this even less believable, Like
if she had just left with Davis, and like if she had done something
dastardated to like set up the Justice League, or she trapped Clark but and
then tipped off all of her where he was and I'll ever say Clark from
like a Kryptonite cage or something stupid like that. Um, so she could
get away with Davis would be much better than the whole not phantom zone thing.
Yeah, we're just oh, you know what, I'm just disappointed,
just disappointed in you, Chloe. I thought the more we break it down,
the more sadly can just the more we're breaking down, the more like
logical, completely reasonable alternatives are coming out. It is just disappointing. You
hate to see that because these are characters we've liked and loved Chloe for eight
years on this show, seven and a half, I guess, you know,
to this nonsense and just to see her do to see her do these
things. Well, I mean, in a sense, we're feeling like what
Clark's feeling like. We feel betrayed because we're like Chloe, we were with
you, We've been there since the beginning, as I even treat us,
treating our boy Clark like that. Yeah, that's right, I tear you,
Chloe exactly. So there you go. The amazonide ends and Davis and
Chloe. I've off to live happily ever after. We never see Chloe again,
No, I mean that'd be awesome. That's how it hinted mid mid
part of season nine. She just shows back up and he's Doomsday now,
right, and she's running from Oh dude, this again. We are just
completely coming up with better flows. I mean, if you could have almost
ended, like built this up a little bit more and made this your season
finale, if you know, for really, if you have a real fight
between Clark and Doomsday and the fortress, and it's contained there in the fortress,
right, so you don't have to worry about budgets and things, and
you just figure out something to do with Lois because she's not in this episode,
figure out something to do with her. Oliver has set Jimmy on the
right path, and then you need test to do something as well. So
there's a test lowest uplot you insert into this episode. You have a real
doomsday fight. You cut out the dream seat, look at up, look
at us man. Now, how easy it is for us to sit here
twenty years later, right, with no pressure, no deadlines on. This
episode has to come out tomorrow, y'all get it together. Didn't have to
come with twenty one other stories, right, we have the hindsight. We
don't have to worry about like like studio interference or actors preferences or anything like
that. I understand how easy it is for us sit here and do this,
But it's still fun. Yeah, Oh I mean yeah, I mean
anytime I have like a reef pitch, sometimes it's so obvious you're like,
okay, you could have just done this kind of like compressing and cutting out
that scene. Another times, yeah, we just have fun talking about it.
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and I understand. I understand where he's come from this episode. But on
the letter Grave scale, Tyler, what would you give Beast? I think
it's weird because everything he said about if I just watched this episode, I
think it would give it higher. But knowing where the rest of it goes,
I have to go to see. Yeah, it's like it's like I
said, it's even though they're frustrating, Like there is enjoyable moments here,
like I enjoyed seeing Clark bust in here and and go kick Davis's ass or
almost try to write, I enjoyed Oliver's whole vibe this episode right now,
Chloe frustrating, no win, but I agree, it was like there's a
lot of there's entertaining stuff. You're still even though it's so frustrating sometimes.
So yeah, I go with a c um and I think a part of
that all leads it to you. Like we've said, I feel like they're
setting stuff up there, building for something that never happens. Yeah. I
with the Jimmy and Oliver's stuff, it's like, hey, this is our
new, our new thing where these chartters are gonna go No with the Chloe's
bad decisions, You're just kind of like wow, Like that would be really
like if this, like if this was the finale in a sense, I'm
not dang okay, it's a little bit stronger. Yeah, it could be
like if if if Smallville was like if they understood they were gonna have like
five seasons, like it was no question right, it was like they were
coming back and there's gonna be more Like this could be like the fourth season
finale for example, you know what I mean, Like you could not end
like in today's world. You could probably if you if you, if you,
you know, punch up a lot of this episode, you can kind
of end it in the spot like that. Listen, I was act like
it's this season finally but still remember there. You could act like it was
like a season finale, but then knowing for sure you were coming back and
have these same actors and characters, and then season like your fifth seasons like
the Doomsday Fight or so I think you guys what I'm talking about, Like
in today's age, they could pull this off. Not on the CW in
two thousand and nine. That's not how i'll TV operated. But all that,
all that being said, man see for you, I'm gonna have to
go see Midas for myself. So yeah I can't. I can't because agree,
which is actually you know, for as much as being tearing this episode
apart, I think we were pretty generous our scores. I think I think
because you get a good performance from Sam of just being like, you know
what I'm saying, and I like him, and I like, do you
feel sorry for him a little bit? You know? Yeah? But then
you also start to see like, no, Davis himself is not right.
Well even he's like together, right, it's like dude, chill, but
no Sam ever really holds this whole thing together, and uh, it's frustrating
uses to watch it. There is is compelling, at least from his side
of things. Yeah, you get his side. It's just Chloe's side,
like what so, there you have it right, Sea man is for you
see for me, let's go to the teleport. We'll plus one for blue
shirt red jacket that brings us to eighty eight. A plus one for episode
titles, set an episode several times by the way, that brings us to
sixty nine. A plus one for hospital visit because presumably Jimmy is being carted
off of the hospital he's in pretty bad shape. That brings us to one
hundred and thirty three. The plus one for knock out to keep Clark's secret
because Jimmy gets knocked out before Clark superspeedes in and fights Davis a little bit
in the basement there. That brings us to fifty three if I onally mad
about. Plus one for shut that laptop because Oliver shuts his laptop when Jimmy
comes in to talk to him. That brings us to thirty two. And
Betel tests fail because Chloe's really in this episode. Come on, Chloe,
every everything she talks about, it's like Davis, but there's no other females
in the episode. And there you haven't that his beast, beauty and the
Beast. Did you watch that show with Kristen kurik Um. No, I
did not either. I watched the old one Ron Problem in Litle Hamilton.
Now, yeah, yeah, I have. I have like a vague childhood
memory of that show existing. I couldn't tell you. I couldn't tell you
it was about I just I remember it all on television. It was pop
culture. We were kids. Yeah, Like I saw like magazine covers and
posters about it. So I love lind the Hamilton. I mean, I
love the Terminator movies and all that. So I just remember him being an
underground in a cave and his name was Vincent. My mom watched it and
that's all I remember. Line face beast, That's that's cool. Practical makeup,
Ron Perlman, I mean, what a key of practical makeup to an
actor who performs it is so straight up? Got mad respect for Ron Perlman.
Yeah, because you know, just shout out to Ron Perlman here.
Just I remember reading the thing about um he had to make a wish for
a kid who wanted to meet Hellboy. He went to the whole process and
this is the whole after the movies. Yeah, yeah, there's not a
movie in production. He's not walking there from the set. He just went
from scratch. Yeah, he went and got the whole makeup done and went
and did this kids make a wish and let's due no ro Ron Perlman,
hey talk about I mean, he would have been probably too big of a
name, but Lobo on Smallville, there's been choice. Ron Perlman, I
don't know what do you mean to make of a name, because he has
one of those like character actors, you know, he's kind of like a
Rutger Howard or a He's like that one step above, like if you showed
up on TV, you wouldn't be surprised, but he would. He'd be
a big get. I think he'd be like like a Dolph lungern on Arrow.
It'd be like a Ron Promon on small So that's that's my choice.
By the way, if they ever had a Lobo on the show, the
episode would have of course been called Lobo. Right. Hopefully, hopefully they
give him some stupid name. I was thinking made Man, but that's two
two words. You can't do it. But but what is more nineties in
the character Lobo? And so I feel like Ron Berman really could have done
a great job with him on small because he was you know, obviously he'd
been older than everybody on the show, but not that much older. And
you know, in two thousand and seven or whatever, and then they would
have brought him on soup. But a tangent that was. But you know,
he was the uh you know, Tom Hardy was the bad guy in
Star Trek Nemesis played Captain mccard's Clune Shins on his right hand man, the
Reeman. They had Reeman played by Ron Broman. Yep and crazy like vampire
makeup, by the way, I might add, so anyway hashtag it's all
connected. But there you go. Missed opportunities. Small Well should have gave
heron Proman a call. Maybe he could have played dark Side in season ten.
But that's his own conversation. We'll get there. We'll get there,
y'all, I think, oh man, that is our conversation on Beast and
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the Injustice League. You remember who's in the Injice League on small Ball
Tyler? Just off the top of your head. No, see, I
remember that well now, because that's where my mind goes, like he to
that scene that are you telling me would do something more than once? Yeah?
No, Parasite oh and um plastic plastic and um crap. No,
I can't remember live Wait wait Wire. Yeah I was. It was starting
to come to me. I was like, wait, wait, wait,
and I'll tell you this from my memory. There's a reason you don't remember
Live Wire or Parasite for that matter. And you know why I remember Plastic
Slash, Well, she was in an earlier episode of The Iban. She
had an episode of Plastic right, I mean she was a guest star on
the show. These other characters they just come up at her nowhere for some
reason. Out a thief who was in Prey, who was recruited does not
show up. I don't know why he's not there. But the guy that
plays Parasite though that he's one of those really good character actors you see pop
up in everything. He always puts a good broken psychopath. We'll hold to
Supernatural season two. We'll do our normal. I didn't even deep dive off
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