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Hey, this is Sam what where
I played Davis Bloom aka Doomsday on Smallville

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and you are listening to the Always
Hold On to Smallville podcast? Welcome Always

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Holds a small Ville. This podcast, we talked about each and every episode

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of the Young Superman show that ran
from two thousand and one to two thousand

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and eleven, the WB and the
c W. I'm jose sack Morey joining

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me this time from the Crypton Report
podcast. Tyler Patrick, what's up?

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Tyler? Hey? Is that good
to be back? Buddy? Absolutely,

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you are here again in season eight. You were back a few episodes back

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when we talked about what episode identity
was it? I think so, Yeah,

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I think so. It's in all
honesty, the one word titles sometimes

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gets a little hard to remember which
one they are. Well, absolutely man,

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because I mean we're talking about Beast
this week, but I feel like

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Beasts could have been internals title a
couple of episodes ago. Like that,

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we're in this interchangeable area of titles. Just it's like the end of season

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four when it's like forever YEA and
changeless or just say it's like that.

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It reminds me of this eternal or
at Lea's like, come on, y'all,

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and I know it's hard because it's
season eight, but that you did

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this to yourselves. But the one
word titles, they were like, guys,

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we h we put ourselves in the
hole. We should have not done

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this. You're the running out of
titles, especially considering that with all this

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talk of doomsday coming. Uh,
he never turns into doomsday, really gets

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the eyes and he gets hard.
It's man. We'll talk about a little

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bit of them just expanding his powers
here at the end of the episode,

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but they and everything he does is
off screen in stiletto, which is effective,

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but it's off screen. So it's
like they're trying if they're trying to

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build, like oh no, what's
happening when more often all these things like

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it's it's the dread is not there, right, I think at this point

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because we're in we're in the home
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gotta tell you it's these episodes.
You know, they're not they're not good.

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Um, they're frustrating, but in
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entertaining to watch. In my opinion. That's where I am with the late

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season eight episodes. Yeah, I
agree. I think part of us really

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like Sam as an actor. I
think he has a and charm at a

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certain presence when he does anything that
just helps with the material, you're just

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like, okay, you just you
just kind of go with it. Yeah,

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they're I mean, we're so far
down the characters making choices that I

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disagree with. It's like, wells
have already been made here we are Oh

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no, I mean their choices are
just like it's almost as bad as like,

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you know, when you were watching
Arrow and Oliver's like, oh I

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learned from this mistake, watch me
make it again in three seconds, right.

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It's like Clark, he paved,
he paved the road originally as watched

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me keep making the same bad choices
over and over. Well, I mean

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you say Clark, I say Chloe, Chloe who I was in love with

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Chloe and she was one of my
favorite characters watching the show, and you

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know and watching back man, it's
a bad look for Chloe. Like Chloe

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did she did some unforgivable betrayal of
Jimmy a couple episodes ago, Poor Jimmy,

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and then she does some even more
unforgivable l Clark in this episode.

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It's like it's a it's a bad
season for Chloe. I think, oh,

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it totally is. And I just
I feel bad for Jimmy, like

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this episode is don't feel bad for
him. Oliver gave m a new child.

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I can't wait to see what happens
next season. Yeah, gotta fix

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his car. That's so good.
All right, Well, there's so much

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we're gonna get into a talk about
everybody. I will say this rewatching it

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like this kind of confirms for me
that they killing off Henry James Olson was

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a last minute decision because this is
like they're setting up an Oliver Jimmy friendship

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here to continue on into the next
season where he has a job and he

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works for them, right, because
these are characters that had I don't know

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if they had had a scene together
by themselves up until this episode, Tyler,

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I don't think so. I was
like, I thought we could be

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friends. I'm like, yeah,
I guess you've been around for three years,

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both of you. They both showed
up in season six and I was

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like, this is if you look
at how these TV shows work, this

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is like, this is his plot
for next season. Y'all right, that's

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what they're but instead they're like,
ah, let's change his name, kill

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him off. And that's where we
are because it really sets something up here

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and I had forgotten that part,
and Party was like, oh, well,

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this is why Oliver takes his death
so hard too, and in Doom's

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day and I'm like okay, because
they had literally just become friends. But

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anyway, but we're in that range
now where I'm looking for any kind of

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like I'm looking for anything that kind
of hold onto to kind of like momentum

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or anything to go into the season
finale. And that just really stuck out

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to me, like, oh,
this is a clear in TV language,

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You're you're pairing up these two characters
to have like a friendship partnership the following

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season and establishing like we got him
out of his drug thing and now he's

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going to be Oliver's assistant and we'll
that'll probably end at some point and he'll

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get a job back of the Day
the Planet, And that's where you think

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they're setting up Henry James Olson,
but it is not to be. He's

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only got two episodes left. So
my question is when do you think nor

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do you remember they got the renewal
for season nine In production. To my

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understanding, and I don't know.
This is a combination of me reading things

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on Krypton side or becoming friends and
talking to Craig Burn over the years from

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Krypton site. Tom Welling signed an
extension for two years, like at the

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eleventh hour, like it was really
late in the game, Like there was

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there was a time where they thought
Doomsday was going to be the series finale

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and they had to scramble and rewrite
it at the last minute to make it

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not that. And that's why that's
why I'm kind of leaning is that because

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that why they went with the death. They're like, we need something emotional,

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it's some big hook. Well,
I can tell you a big hook.

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How about a Clark Kent Doomsday.
Fine, here's a hook for you,

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right, But think about think about
thinking where we are now though,

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I mean we're talking about we're talking
about Jimmy being like an assistant to Oliver

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Queen who co owns Luthor Corp.
With Test Mercer, by the way,

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who we've never established, we have
yet to establish that she's Lex's sister,

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right, and then Lex is dead
and like to think that through we were

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two episodes away from a potential series
finale of this show. All right,

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like say with you will about season
ten. It has it ups and downs,

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but they were clearly like counting down
towards the Superman status quo. It

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took them way too long and they
didn't even really pay it off when you

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really wanted him to. But look, they were there was a clear course.

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But this to feel like we could
have been two episodes away from the

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end here right, Oh, it
would have been rough. Or if they

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if something had happened and they ended
Doomsday and then they were like show was

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canceled, and you're like, what
what happened to? There's no other way

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they were going to cancel it.
I mean it was still doing well enough,

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yeah, for for for them at
that time. Like there's all these

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all these asterisks by that, but
you know, it was just it was

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a small was a very successful,
very popular show. At this point.

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Supernatural had overtaken it, but small
the brand of Smallville was still extremely strong

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then and and I think that would
lead to it. And also you know,

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and I'll say this, um as
we kind of wrap up our pregame

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here, the reasoning of Tom Willing
keeping the show going. People were like

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what are you doing extending this prequel
to Superman so long? Right? But

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Tom Willing's talking about He's like,
look if I if I quit or leave,

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then all these people lose their job
Like this, I mean, it's

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it's that's it's so true. Like
you think about like the quote unquote our

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sister contegrity of ending a show in
a high note. But then you think

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about, like all the people who
who work on the cameras and the sets

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and the makeups and all like that
is an entire and they've become like a

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family by that point, working there
for almost a decade. So like that

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that kind of definitely as I understand
that that factor in the Tom's decision as

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well to keep the show going.
And I think to its strength because Smallville

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had lasted just long enough to kind
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dive it had been going into.
And it's unfortunate because season seven was frustrating

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and the first half of season it
was so strong, and the second half

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season eight is so frustrating. You
know, I don't even know, Well,

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we'll see where I where I put
season eight in my season rankings a

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by the end of it. But
to think that again. To think that

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where we all right now this this
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could have been two episodes before the
end of this series is pretty crazy to

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think about. It is crazy,
and I'm glad. I mean, like

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you just said, small Bill lasted. I think where it needed to last.

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We've talked about over and over you
and I how there's the definitive chapters

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on Small Bill, and I think
it works to its strength because I look

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at other shows that are kind of
wrapping up and I'm not pointing the finger

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at you Flash, but this final
final, the big final run of Flashes

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Man, Yeah, has not been
good. I am. I am watching

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it because it's the end, right, Like the Arrow, I came back

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and sat down and watching it in
I got a hold of appreciation for some

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of the smalls later seasons. I
agree, you know, and you were

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talking about how like season ten,
at least season ten respected the show and

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the character and like said, this
is the end. We're gonna give it

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everything and put what we've been waiting
for in it. The Flash. I

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sadly it's not been good this.
I mean, they're they're giving Barry and

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Iris like a couple of weeks off
in a row. Yeah, we should

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be building towards something here and not
having these filler episodes of supporting characters that

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nobody cares about it anymore. Like
if this had been like a season two

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or three when you had Cisco and
you know, characters you loved, you're

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like, yeah, okay, you
almost said Caitlyn, didn't you. But

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then you remember that they're on their
third Kitlyn. Yeah, the third kitbe

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unbelievable. Unbelievable that they spend so
much time one So anyway, so let

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me's just say say what you will
about s Fubble season eight. I think

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it's better than a lot of the
arrow Verse, right, and I love

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the arrow Verse, and I appreciate
for what it is. But man,

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oh, I'm with you. I'm
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before we've been to it here,
because there are there are several deleted scenes

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series, not not as many as
the word hecks, which were ridiculous,

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like six minutes of deladed scenes.
There are about four minutes or so of

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deleted scenes of Beast, which,
which again is a lot when your episodes

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are like forty two minutes, right, to have to have four minutes deleted

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scenes, and they they add up
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one and then another one kind of
split into two honestly, which is interesting

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because it's like a obviously that would
have been a commercial break, so we

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can like talk about where they fitted. And that's why, like I like

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talking about when there's more than when
deleaded scenes, I like talk about them

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before we jump in. So I'm
gonna be like, I think this is

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where it fed. I don't know, all right, So and and as

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I've been doing, right, we've
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like, hey, let's watch the
deleted scenes so we can converse about them.

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And it's not just me being like, well, I know you didn't

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watch it, but own the DVD, so we can actually have a conversation

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about So there are three deladed scenes
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a very long scene, and I
think like a good scene, and I

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wish they would have incorporated it,
and almost like I would they could have.

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They could have. I think the
idea of this scene was to kind

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of parallel the dream sequence at the
beginning, but like when you remove one,

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the other one kind of sticks out. As weird. We'll talk about

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that little bit. But this scene
is it's not a dream, it's not

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not even merit. It's it's Davis
in the basement and he's going through Chloe's

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old wala weird articles and they have
like this cute flirting bonding moment here over

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this Tyler Yeah, because he even
says about Clarke. He says, were

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you and Clark every you know,
look a hot item or something? And

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did you ever share more than a
bye lion? And she says nothing that

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would make page one. I'm like, you know what, that's a pretty

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pretty good answer. That's a great
Chloe response because she's taking that journalism joke

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that he made to her and putting
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person would see these two people who
have been like, you know, like

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joined at the hips since freshman or
high school, like, so what's supposed

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to do with y'all? So it's
a logical question. The thing that I

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like in this scene is it's it's
Davis telling Chloe that there is him,

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kind of admitting there is no cure
for himself, that she's what he needs,

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and he puts it all back on
her without being the overdramatic that we

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later see with the episode with her. Yeah, it's more it's more just

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like I have you, I'll be
okay. It's like and she's like,

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it's this more lighthearted way of saying
that having you around, I'll be okay,

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compared to like you said later when
it's just like Chloe, I need

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you next see it time weird man? Yeah, and you do you still?

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You do so cliniful? Sorry for
him her, right, because he's

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like he's tried everything. He don't
want to see doctors because he's afraid of

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like being put in a cage.
And he's absolutely correct, that's that's that's

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a legitimate fear if you're him,
right. She she has a really weird

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light in this elited scene when she
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killed by that meter rock, it
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a part of me. I'm like, whoa cooy. That's that's a weird

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melodramatic thing to say. That's like
the line that you say out of desperation

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to like win them on your side
when you know that they're like turning to

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kill you, or you're in trouble
and you're trying to like flip them or

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like nah, baby, I love
you when that rock was hurting you,

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killing me a man. The thing
is, I'm not sure where this scene

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would have taken place. I think
they might have done like a pickup shot

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with the water bottle with Doctor Hamilton's
later, because when he says because she

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references doctor Hamilton not by name,
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I'm like, I'm thinking, okay, this would have gone after the

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Doctor Hamilton's scene. But then I
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I was like, wait, but
this has been before, would have been

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before? And she takes the bottle
and I'm like, okay, so I'm

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not sure when it would have fallen
in, like, it's possible, it's

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and I've seen this happen in episodes
before. I think. I'm trying to

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think back, is it? Uh? The one? The one relax is

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like running for senator uh? And
there and I always forget the name of

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it. It's like it's a it's
a lockdown. No, it's there's I

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And this is a joke too.
I can never get these right. There's

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there's lockdown and another one No,
no, no, no, it's it's

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before reckoning, and it's the one
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college and the girl shaves her head. Oh okay, okay, okay,

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yeah, what's that one called.
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run together after a while. It
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if it's not something that's definitive like
run or aqua you know where. So

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it's so pure to what the happens
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this, Uh, this is,
this is, this is gonna bother me.

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It's like, all right, it'll
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there's de leaded scenes in that episode
that takes place in the college and all

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the stuff, and it's clearly like
they don't fit with anything else. And

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I feel like it's some fanatic.
That's what it is, Thank you fanatic.

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they might have done is like they
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minds somewhere in there, and then
they're like, okay, well we'll add

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this here, we won't do that, and we're fine. Right, So

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clearly this scene was shot with the
with like the idea that she had talked

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to doctor Hamilton beforehand, and then
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is going too long, and they
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so like, you know what,
just have her gave him the water bottle

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then, and then we won't worry
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scene, you know, when when
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don't want to see Doctor's Chloe like
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and it takes it and obviously he's
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right, yeah, past tense,
but she's clearly telling him about day was

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the first time when they actually had
their scene in the episode. So there

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you go. That that's my You're
ready, like somewhere in there, I'm

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with you. I laugh when she's
like he's got a PhD and aliens and

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all this, and I'm like,
I'm pretty sure that's not something you can

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get a PhD. And yet,
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thinking. I was like, oh, yeah, I think it is smart

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though I think this is the most
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so far, because like they really
like subtly introduce him and Bulletproof. You

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know, he almost has nothing to
do. And then when he when he

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casts a guy like Alessandro Giuliani,
who I know best from role start of

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Lactic, I was like, Oh, you're gonna get this guy some something

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to work with, you know,
something to do, and he's like,

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he has nothing to do, and
then he you know, as the show

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continues, he grows in promense.
But but I think this was as biggest

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episode yet so far. So anyway, I'll have to say that's the first

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delated scene. I I liked it
for some reasons and didn't like it for

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others, and but it just did
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it's actually quite a lengthy scene between
the two of them. Here's a thought,

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delete that dream sequence, put this
way right, and we'll talk about

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that, but we will talk about
the James seguints. No, there are

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two more deleted scenes, but they're
both part of the same scene. Okay,

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so it's Chloe getting pulled over by
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and by the way, weird.
It wasn't weird, right, but I

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think it had to do with like
the how tests to put up the headlines

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and the take Davis is like a
wanted man, you know, the cornfield

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Killer, like that. I totally
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a bunch of cornfields. Like just
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as if I walk out my front
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the street here in a couple of
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to be a completely huge cornfield walk
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There's massive cornfield farm land. So
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sounds creepy. It is like either
be a podcast about the cornfield Killer,

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right or yeah, yeah, some
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that monster thing in the episode of
Supernatural one, season one, the Harvest

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one. Yeah, you expect some
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like that exactly exactly right. But
anyway, I think that's why the FBI

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was like, because he's been outed
quote unquote as a serial killer. At

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this point, they pull Chloe over
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questions about Davis Bloom and I think
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I agree because because like, like
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and the scene and she rolls down
her window right and they're like, can

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we you know, and talk to
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like okay, that was a short, odd scene. And then it comes

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back and she's outside the car responding
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It's a continuation and that's how these
commercial person even like the structure of

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this episode got thrown off somewhere.
I don't even know where exactly that these

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would have gone, but I presumably
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to getting back to the talent too
late, right that that that that where

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I thought they would go. But
did you did you recognize this this FBI

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agent? He looked familiar. So
he is in infamous, this actor and

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this character so so so Michael Rodgers
plays Agent Black, and I thought,

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oh, this is kind of cool
because infamous, like you know, you

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reset the timeline and stuff. And
then that guy never in that timeline that

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guy's investigating Clark is an alien,
but in this timeline he's investigating Davis being

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a circle. I'm like, oh, that's a kind of cool cyclical thing.

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He's still credited like on IMDb,
but he doesn't appear in this episode

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obviously, and this would have been
his only other small level appearance, but

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like as government FBI guy, I
thought that's a pretty cool little bit of

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continuity, right. Also, like
everybody else, Uh, he was a

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Boistark Blacktica. Yeah. Oh,
anyway, played character Brooks who I don't

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really remember. I you don't let
me look? Um oh he will.

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Hey he wasn't. He was an
arrow. Uh he was. He was

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Surgey and Arrow and in season two
Keep Your Enemies Closer. Wow. Uh,

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let's see, he was in Fringe
Bates Motel there, he's supernatural.

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He played Gluttony oh okay in seasons
and he also played another call called HERV

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in season nine. So so season
three would glutton you have been in like

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one of the early episodes when they
released the seven sins as the demons there,

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you would know more than anybody.
That'd be like episode one or two

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of season three. I haven't watched
in a long time. He was Yeah

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that kill you. You know,
all those lectors make the throw way around

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the season Blacklist, he was the
Blacklist. He Oh, he was in

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Supergirl. He was a one episode
of Supergirl season two. He played a

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hannibal. So oh, what's it? Okay, um, yeah, he's

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also in the show on one episode
of the show called Agent X. And

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I want to watch this show.
I've heard of about this, right,

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it's an Agent X and I want
to watch it because John Shay from Lewis

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and Clark, who played you know, Lex Luthor, he's the president and

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the United States in that show.
I want to watch any show where Alex

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Luthor actor plays the president and it
actually actually stars Sharon Stone as the vice

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president. James Earl Jones is a
guest star. Like it's out, Like

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I'm gonna watch this show and it's
one of these you know, one season

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shows. But anyway, okay,
all this crazy rabbit hole we just falled

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out. But anyway, I thought
it was interesting, crazier if on Supergirl

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and on The Arrow he was an
agent and black like this little thing that

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if you're a huge nerd you watch
all these shows. He just puts the

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same person in everything. He would
have been the Munch from Law and Order

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showing up on all the shows that
the small version of that. Um but

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the crazy rabbit hole we've fallen into. But anyway, the point of this

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FBI agent was like, Hey,
this guy called you ten times and one

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day you gotta have some connection,
right, No Davids and are just friends,

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which is like the whole premise of
this episode, by the way,

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like Chloe be like, oh dudes, I'm just friends. But yeah,

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um, interesting what the guy says
though, He's like, I know a

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lot of women like you. They
fall from the wrong guy. They always

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seem the can change them, and
they're always wrong. I was like,

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this guy's right, he is and
that's why I think in a way this

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could have worked. It's a lot
of foreshadowing. It's a lot of people

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telling Chloe, you're this is not
gonna work. You have to have a

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better solution, and Nope, she
doesn't listen. Should have listened to Agent

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Blackloe would have been a lot better
off. So they're deleted scenes. Let's

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jump into itin beast, I would
do anything for you. You can save

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me, but you may be the
only one you don't know anything about Davis

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and I are gone. I don't
want you to find this one all new

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episode next Thursday at eight seventh Central. Beast. This is the twentieth episode

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of Smallville's eighth season and aired on
April thirtieth, two thousand and nine.

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Was Mike Genevieve Sparling and directed by
Michael Roll. So, Tyler, I

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don't know if you remember, but
here in season eight, we're doing the

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ratings. Watch yeah, these episodes. And for a little context, right,

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Beast, as I said, came
out April thirtieth, that is one

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week after Stiletto, so there's no
big break or anything. Stiletto got three

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point one million viewers. And for
a little more context, way back in

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September two thousand and eight, Odyssey, the season's premiere. Odyssey, the

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season premiere got four point three four
million viewers. So where do you think

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we are? One week after Stiletto, one week after three point one million

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two point nine So you think we
went down? I think so, because

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I feel like Stiletto is not like
the strong this episode, because it's one

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of those episodes I've seen but I
never really like remember it because I always

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just thought the whole thing was kind
of your logic is sound, you know.

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In my memory, I was like, this is one of the worst

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episodes of the show. Then I
watched, I'm like, yes, it's

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fine. It's just like a Lowis
and Clark episode in the middle of smallvel

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for some reason. But your logic
is sound, Tyler. But you would

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be incorrect because that ratings actually went
up and it's three point two three,

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So I feel I feel like this
episode is better, like I would want

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it too. But you know a
lot of times you have a bad episode

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and then the one that falls after
a you know, it goes down because

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people last week like I don't want
that. That's what you base it off

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of the previous week. It's the
gauge, right, but no, we're

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three point two three. Uh.
And then hey, spoilers because I know

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our next guest won't hear this before
they record their episode. Yes, it

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goes up keeps going up. It
should because we're building, I mean,

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but we are building to the end, you know, and sometimes it helps

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and we'll go back to the flash
here like they have promoted next week's episode

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after this three episode slump they were
in. So the ratings are going to

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shoot up tomorrow as if we record
this because it's the big return of a

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certain character. So I don't know
what the marketing was like, you know,

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you shift the focus back to Davis
with this episode and a big fight

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that might draw people back in.
Like, okay, well that looks better

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than last week. So yeah,
well I'll tell you what, Siletto,

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that was the lowest rated episode of
the season. There you go, But

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that's coming after Eternal, which is
very frustrating episode which for its own right,

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So there you go. There those
all your ratings and your factors and

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all that. But this episode starts
out and Tyler, did you remember that

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this was a dream sequence? I
did? I did not? I did

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because my okay, my wife really
likes watching Small Bill with me, but

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she prefers the latter seasons because she
likes Lois a lot more than she likes

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what they did with Lana. So
it seems like a lot of times when

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she watches it with me, we
find ourselves in the seasons and I really

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like, like I said, I
really like Sam in his performance, so

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i'd seen this a little bit more. Um, Well, yeah, this

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this dream sequence, U, it
has a shot in it that I'm very

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surprised in some ways that got away
with at the time. The one on

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the very ends. Yeah, okay, yeah, cool, Well let's let's

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let's let's work up to that,
right, so we have what You Feel

405
00:27:23.920 --> 00:27:27.279
by Chris Levy play and they play
this this this song book ends is the

406
00:27:27.319 --> 00:27:32.240
episode, right, it's at the
beginning and the end. It's a pretty

407
00:27:32.240 --> 00:27:34.160
good song. It's it's like classic
Smallville. It's been a while since we

408
00:27:34.160 --> 00:27:38.160
had one of these. Uh,
it didn't really leave an impression with me.

409
00:27:38.279 --> 00:27:41.799
If it had been if this song
had been like season one or two

410
00:27:41.839 --> 00:27:44.400
or three, I feel like I
would have downloaded online, if you know

411
00:27:44.440 --> 00:27:48.160
what I'm saying. Yes, most
of those songs in season one and two

412
00:27:48.559 --> 00:27:51.319
three I have or had at the
time, you know what I'm saying,

413
00:27:51.319 --> 00:27:52.400
Like it would come on. I
was like, I already got that on

414
00:27:52.480 --> 00:27:56.400
my list, already had of this
one hundred years by five for finding it's

415
00:27:56.400 --> 00:28:00.799
so good anyway, but it really
it's that's the tone, right because Chloe

416
00:28:00.799 --> 00:28:07.119
gets a phone call from Davis,
Oh you come downstairs, and uh she

417
00:28:07.200 --> 00:28:08.359
got on the stairs. By the
way, did you know these posters like

418
00:28:08.480 --> 00:28:15.759
Lobo posters yeah, like was that
supposed to hang at like it's not real

419
00:28:15.119 --> 00:28:18.559
or was it just kind of like
maybe someone will catch this, maybe they

420
00:28:18.720 --> 00:28:21.680
want no because those are really there. They're in the deleted scenes too,

421
00:28:22.400 --> 00:28:23.960
so it's like, I guess it's
just some kind of reference to Lobo.

422
00:28:25.000 --> 00:28:26.880
Lobo a character. I'm actually kind
of surprised Smallbill never did like just some

423
00:28:27.799 --> 00:28:32.720
punk guy on a motorcycle with a
leather jacket, Like come on, like,

424
00:28:32.960 --> 00:28:34.759
yeah, look at how they translated
so many other characters. That's an

425
00:28:34.759 --> 00:28:40.680
easy one to translate. Yeah,
it really is. I mean kind of

426
00:28:40.720 --> 00:28:42.680
like how they did him on Krypton, Like it just seems like for like

427
00:28:42.759 --> 00:28:45.759
a one off kind of like a
like Maxima, like how they did her

428
00:28:45.839 --> 00:28:48.759
like zact. What I was thinking, like, if you if you ever

429
00:28:48.799 --> 00:28:52.119
brought Maxima back for some reason,
maybe it's because the DCAU I'm thinking this,

430
00:28:52.200 --> 00:28:53.440
but like the Lobo Maxima connection,
but if you ever brought her back,

431
00:28:53.440 --> 00:28:56.920
what you do and if they're a
lowo in there, right, that's

432
00:28:56.440 --> 00:29:00.799
you're running ideas in season ten,
you're doing stuff like the hangovers, so

433
00:29:00.799 --> 00:29:03.000
you get it on a Lobo episode. Anyway, she goes on there and

434
00:29:03.000 --> 00:29:08.119
it's so romantic. There's rose petals
and candles and there's like a thousand candles

435
00:29:08.119 --> 00:29:15.920
style. It's gonna be so hot
in there, but I do. I

436
00:29:15.039 --> 00:29:18.400
actually thought was kind of cute where
she's I don't remember there being any of

437
00:29:18.480 --> 00:29:21.640
roses or candles down here. He's
like, he's like, Davis, I

438
00:29:21.680 --> 00:29:25.720
told you she can't be going out
right. It was girlfool. So I

439
00:29:25.759 --> 00:29:27.920
mean it checks out, Like I
really I did not remember this being a

440
00:29:29.000 --> 00:29:30.160
dream sequence. I was like,
well this, this is kind of creepy,

441
00:29:30.200 --> 00:29:34.279
but it totally checks out what this
guy's doing, right, Yeah,

442
00:29:34.319 --> 00:29:37.319
but uh, they started talking about
friends, like well this is friends.

443
00:29:37.359 --> 00:29:41.200
Friends help each other out right,
right, right, all this friends talk,

444
00:29:41.720 --> 00:29:47.279
That's how I hang out with my
friends. But then then he said,

445
00:29:47.279 --> 00:29:51.720
I remember this is Chloe's dream,
and he says something about like it's

446
00:29:51.759 --> 00:29:55.160
like when we first met and there's
like chaos and smoke. But for a

447
00:29:55.279 --> 00:29:56.519
moment, right, it was just
clarity. It was you and me,

448
00:29:56.559 --> 00:30:00.160
And I was like, okay,
that that's creepy, but it checks out.

449
00:30:00.200 --> 00:30:03.319
He would say this, but this
is Chloe's dream, Tyler, why

450
00:30:03.319 --> 00:30:07.559
would she think this? I put
in my notes after this, that's a

451
00:30:07.559 --> 00:30:15.240
lot to unpack, because there's also
the quote without you, the man I

452
00:30:15.279 --> 00:30:18.400
want to be doesn't exist. That's
a good quote though, like I should

453
00:30:18.480 --> 00:30:25.799
use that single Guys out there,
use that lie. I'm sure that would

454
00:30:25.839 --> 00:30:27.359
go very well for you. But
it's true though it's actually true in his

455
00:30:27.440 --> 00:30:33.440
case, it is, But that's
one of those lines that could be taken

456
00:30:33.480 --> 00:30:36.480
as a positive or as a negative. That's true, Like we go into

457
00:30:36.599 --> 00:30:41.359
full like psychopath territory stalker dude in
this episode with it for sure. But

458
00:30:41.400 --> 00:30:44.960
then they kiss and it's it's a
very heavy makeout session. I remember,

459
00:30:45.279 --> 00:30:48.720
I had forgotten this happened, but
watching the promos like this was in a

460
00:30:48.759 --> 00:30:52.720
promo or something, I'm like,
damn, I didn't remember Davis and Chloe

461
00:30:52.799 --> 00:30:56.680
getting like hot and heavy like that. But again, this is a dream

462
00:30:56.720 --> 00:31:00.680
and it's a pretty intense makeout session, I think. But then what is

463
00:31:00.839 --> 00:31:07.799
Chloe c taler? She sees blood? Of course, what do you think

464
00:31:07.920 --> 00:31:15.720
was gonna happen? And there's in
your own dream You're telling yourself you're wrong,

465
00:31:17.000 --> 00:31:21.519
this is your subcon I'm just trying
to help you. But it's a

466
00:31:21.640 --> 00:31:23.720
crazy like reveal, like I don't
know in the boiler room or whatever of

467
00:31:23.720 --> 00:31:26.680
the of the talent, right,
So it's a crazy real she she falls

468
00:31:26.680 --> 00:31:30.880
the trill of live. She pulls
this tart back and what do we see?

469
00:31:32.640 --> 00:31:37.160
We see half of Clark hanging up. It's like his chest, his

470
00:31:37.279 --> 00:31:41.640
head, the legs are like his
midsection. Torso's gone. There's like it's

471
00:31:41.680 --> 00:31:45.920
like just the fleshy part hanging in
blood and the s on his like painted

472
00:31:45.920 --> 00:31:49.079
on his chest like the scarecrow.
It's a really first of all, it's

473
00:31:49.079 --> 00:31:52.359
a very intense image, Like you
said, I am a little surprised that

474
00:31:52.400 --> 00:31:55.200
I think I've got away with this
in you know, seven o'clock Central Line,

475
00:31:55.359 --> 00:32:02.039
the Cweau nine. But secondly,
did they have like a prop of

476
00:32:02.279 --> 00:32:06.359
Clark from the pilot laying around and
they decided to use for this, Like

477
00:32:06.359 --> 00:32:09.000
it's it's strange to me like they
would choose this particular image because it's like

478
00:32:09.119 --> 00:32:12.400
the with the s painting on his
chest. It's so iconic. You know,

479
00:32:12.400 --> 00:32:15.000
I have the poster hanging my office
back here. It's like it's literally

480
00:32:15.039 --> 00:32:19.599
that image. It's that just like
plastered onto like the pipes or something,

481
00:32:19.680 --> 00:32:22.319
right, and it's it's it's a
really strange choice, I think to call

482
00:32:22.359 --> 00:32:25.079
back to that pilot image. That's
what makes me think it's like a leftover

483
00:32:25.160 --> 00:32:30.079
prop or something. Well I was, I mean, yeah, it also

484
00:32:30.279 --> 00:32:38.119
wonder like the Closes never saw him
like that. Yeah, okay, dang

485
00:32:38.160 --> 00:32:42.279
see now, like I'm digging even
more because I didn't even think about it,

486
00:32:42.279 --> 00:32:45.160
because I was like, you know, if they were, if they

487
00:32:45.160 --> 00:32:52.000
were gonna, you know, really
try to hammer him, like the imagery

488
00:32:52.079 --> 00:32:54.200
of like good and evil, because
you know, him on the scarecrow was

489
00:32:54.240 --> 00:32:58.440
kind of like the whole cross crucifixion
kind of thing, like this is like

490
00:32:58.920 --> 00:33:04.759
but yeah, it's so quick and
she didn't even see him, Like,

491
00:33:04.799 --> 00:33:07.000
yeah, that's just weird. I
think it was. It was. It's

492
00:33:07.000 --> 00:33:08.200
one of those things I think they
just threw out there for shock value,

493
00:33:08.200 --> 00:33:12.240
but then they always think it through. Yeah you know, and it's it's

494
00:33:12.319 --> 00:33:16.000
it's it's self referential, but it
has no place being self referential, like,

495
00:33:16.039 --> 00:33:20.559
well, right, Clark can remember
Clark can have a nightmare like this,

496
00:33:20.920 --> 00:33:22.480
like I'm final CLU because he experienced
that. That would be a horrible

497
00:33:22.480 --> 00:33:27.400
thing that you remember and what I
would like to have her She doesn't have

498
00:33:27.440 --> 00:33:30.759
this poster, she doesn't see this
image. Yeah, it's so strange,

499
00:33:30.880 --> 00:33:35.480
but anyway, but it looks it's
very shocking, very effective. And then

500
00:33:35.480 --> 00:33:37.799
it's the trope of like, you
know, her waking up again, like

501
00:33:38.119 --> 00:33:40.640
you know, even though it you
know, it's it's kind of like the

502
00:33:40.640 --> 00:33:44.079
double it's not quite the double nightmare
thing because she wasn't asleep yet, but

503
00:33:44.079 --> 00:33:45.240
she was going to sleep at the
beginning of us quote unquote you know,

504
00:33:45.880 --> 00:33:50.039
yeah dream so there you guy.
Then she wakes up and then we cut

505
00:33:50.079 --> 00:33:52.839
to the opening credits and that show
it's Look, it's an effective beat.

506
00:33:52.880 --> 00:33:57.079
It just doesn't make logical sense when
you start thinking about it. It makes

507
00:33:57.160 --> 00:34:02.200
me think that it's somebody who came
in. And I see this a lot

508
00:34:02.240 --> 00:34:07.640
with Supernatural in the later seasons where
they got new writers who don't know the

509
00:34:07.680 --> 00:34:09.599
show as strongly, and they just
they have scenes kind of like this,

510
00:34:09.639 --> 00:34:15.440
like references or callbacks that never really
when you stop and think, don't exactly

511
00:34:15.639 --> 00:34:21.599
makes sense if you know the show's
mythology in itself. But they might not

512
00:34:21.679 --> 00:34:25.239
know because they're like they just got
hired as a writer. So like,

513
00:34:25.239 --> 00:34:29.159
oh, that's just that great image. Let's let's let's look at let's look

514
00:34:29.159 --> 00:34:31.199
at Jenny Vives, Sparling's tracker got
on some model. Let's see, she

515
00:34:31.239 --> 00:34:36.000
has seven episodes, so she's written
on the show, okay, and she's

516
00:34:36.039 --> 00:34:39.800
got Progeny, which is a complete
waste of Linda Carter and I really don't

517
00:34:39.840 --> 00:34:47.320
like that episode. She has Beast, which we'll talk about here, Roulette,

518
00:34:49.119 --> 00:34:52.400
which she made. She likes Roddy
for Chloe. Doesn't she interesting Roulette?

519
00:34:52.440 --> 00:34:57.280
All of her episode Escape, which
actually really liked that episode. Again,

520
00:34:57.360 --> 00:35:00.360
heavy on Chloe because it's that's the
silver Man she episod or where they

521
00:35:00.360 --> 00:35:05.119
go to the It's like it was. I always say this, it's very

522
00:35:05.400 --> 00:35:07.360
They needed that episode to clean up
all the relationship nonsense between the four of

523
00:35:07.400 --> 00:35:13.519
them. That's why I like that. It was a and then season ten,

524
00:35:13.599 --> 00:35:17.079
she writes, isis yeah, we
just recently rewatched that because we talked

525
00:35:17.079 --> 00:35:22.519
about it, because A references conduct
and black. Oh yeah, there there's

526
00:35:22.519 --> 00:35:28.719
your connection. There a chorus pros
and cons to that one. And then

527
00:35:29.239 --> 00:35:34.519
check this out, Kent't okay.
Episode made me cry. One of the

528
00:35:34.559 --> 00:35:37.159
best episodes of the show. So
anyway, a lot can go on a

529
00:35:37.159 --> 00:35:39.559
writer's room. I don't know who's
responsible for web for there. But since

530
00:35:39.599 --> 00:35:43.039
you rote off the whole like you
know that, that's a pretty good point

531
00:35:43.039 --> 00:35:45.480
there about you know, people who
were not they're how the encycltic knowledge we

532
00:35:45.519 --> 00:35:47.199
do of the show, they were
there at the beginning. They're like,

533
00:35:47.199 --> 00:35:51.159
oh, well that's it. Everybody
knows the Clark on the Cross, right,

534
00:35:51.199 --> 00:35:53.239
we'll put that in the episode.
That probably that was probably the thinking

535
00:35:53.280 --> 00:35:59.000
there by Jennet Vieve Sparling. So
there you go. That is your opening.

536
00:35:59.320 --> 00:36:01.719
Does it give us any insight into
Chloe's psyche here, Tyler ethink.

537
00:36:02.800 --> 00:36:07.480
I think what we've got a reference
is that she is in one way romanticizing

538
00:36:07.519 --> 00:36:12.440
this relationship with Davis. She does
have she keeps telling herself and I think

539
00:36:12.480 --> 00:36:19.159
in a lot of ways she does
have the interest in Davis. And then

540
00:36:19.159 --> 00:36:23.000
so she realizes when she stops and
sees who he really is, and then,

541
00:36:24.360 --> 00:36:28.079
like we said, her own subconsciousness
telling her like this is not going

542
00:36:28.119 --> 00:36:32.599
to work out. You need to
get away from this, and she doesn't

543
00:36:32.639 --> 00:36:38.440
even want to listen to herself.
Yeah, and that's really the dilemma of

544
00:36:38.480 --> 00:36:40.480
the whole episode, right, because
we go to the opening credits, we

545
00:36:40.599 --> 00:36:45.840
come back and Chloe is you know, obviously shaken by her nightmare, making

546
00:36:45.840 --> 00:36:50.360
herself some coffee, gets a phone
call from Davis, which she ignores,

547
00:36:51.039 --> 00:36:52.119
right because as you would, because
you know, in her jetmare, she

548
00:36:52.159 --> 00:36:54.679
got a call and all this,
all this stuff happened. Then Clark shows

549
00:36:54.760 --> 00:36:59.079
up, and I gotta say,
I love this look for Clark. The

550
00:36:59.239 --> 00:37:02.800
blue shirt, blue jacket. Yes, I put a blue shirt, blue

551
00:37:02.840 --> 00:37:07.559
jacket. Very not that all friendly
scene is this. This is the first

552
00:37:07.559 --> 00:37:13.400
time we ever see it, I
think, and it's only a handful of

553
00:37:13.440 --> 00:37:15.239
times, maybe like in the last
I think it only shows up here and

554
00:37:15.280 --> 00:37:17.920
you're the end of the show,
and I can't believe they never tried this

555
00:37:17.960 --> 00:37:23.599
before. I'm so just because of
watching it off and on. But yeah,

556
00:37:23.599 --> 00:37:28.719
it's it's a look that is nice
to see and just kind of mix

557
00:37:28.760 --> 00:37:32.119
it up. And I mean it's
not that uncommon, you know, That's

558
00:37:32.159 --> 00:37:35.480
what it is. It's it's like, yeah, i'd wear a blue shirt

559
00:37:35.519 --> 00:37:37.320
with a blue jacket like I probably
do all the time. And I do.

560
00:37:37.400 --> 00:37:39.920
I have a blue jacket, and
I have a ton of blue shirt

561
00:37:40.039 --> 00:37:44.639
like that range in color. So
yeah, it doesn't it doesn't pop as

562
00:37:44.760 --> 00:37:50.920
much as a solid blue shirt with
a red jacket. Well, the jacket,

563
00:37:50.960 --> 00:37:53.119
general, Pops, Just dude,
imagine a red shirt and a red

564
00:37:53.199 --> 00:37:58.039
jacket. How how much of an
eyesore would that have been? That'd be

565
00:37:58.039 --> 00:38:02.119
an episode of Power Rangers. The
reverse of this, right, the cheer

566
00:38:02.159 --> 00:38:06.559
red jacket would not have worked.
But and I think I think he hit

567
00:38:06.599 --> 00:38:08.960
the nail on the head. That
only has to look good. It's a

568
00:38:09.039 --> 00:38:15.239
normal wardrobe combination as opposed to the
blue shirt red jacket, and just and

569
00:38:15.280 --> 00:38:19.639
again we're getting away from well Clark
had been for the most part this season,

570
00:38:19.719 --> 00:38:22.440
getting away from wearing the red jacket, blue shirt when he's not the

571
00:38:22.440 --> 00:38:27.320
red blue blur. And that's why
we get these new costumes because I'll tell

572
00:38:27.320 --> 00:38:30.639
you man seasons. I know he
started wearing it like around season two,

573
00:38:30.639 --> 00:38:35.840
like very special episodes like Rosetta and
stuff. But like season four through seven,

574
00:38:36.679 --> 00:38:38.880
that blue shirt, red jacket.
That's why it's a tally board thing.

575
00:38:38.960 --> 00:38:43.800
Right, got insufferable, Like I
can't believe he's wearing this all the

576
00:38:43.840 --> 00:38:46.199
time, and he just looks like
a normal person unless of a cartoon character.

577
00:38:46.280 --> 00:38:49.480
I know we're talking a lot about
it, but you can't see both

578
00:38:49.480 --> 00:38:51.719
our eyes lit up when we're talking
about this like it was just such I

579
00:38:51.800 --> 00:38:53.159
remember him like at the time,
it's like, that's an amazing look,

580
00:38:53.199 --> 00:38:57.119
Clark, thank you. Anyway,
what episode was that you and I reviewed

581
00:38:57.119 --> 00:39:00.599
where he wore a yellow flannel like
in one saw it towards the end of

582
00:39:00.639 --> 00:39:04.719
an episode he was in he had
a white T shirt with a yellow flannel.

583
00:39:05.199 --> 00:39:07.840
He was in a hospital scene and
it was early on Oh, I

584
00:39:07.880 --> 00:39:08.679
think, I think I remember I
was talking about this too, I could.

585
00:39:08.719 --> 00:39:12.360
We were so excited, like,
oh my gosh, this is so

586
00:39:12.440 --> 00:39:16.000
out of left field. But in
his color spectrum, right, I remember

587
00:39:16.000 --> 00:39:20.239
the yellow T shirt from Duplicity which
looked bad, and even think on talk

588
00:39:20.280 --> 00:39:22.320
for They're like, yeah, that
looked bad, so we never we never

589
00:39:22.320 --> 00:39:27.079
wore that again. So those priebrate
colors there. But anyway, Clark's here,

590
00:39:27.559 --> 00:39:30.559
he's in a great outfit and he
thinks that Davis Bloom is still alive

591
00:39:30.679 --> 00:39:37.320
because he's been doing some research and
he's seen that uh Bruno Mannheim, it's

592
00:39:37.360 --> 00:39:42.960
Doug from the last episode, right, who attacked Chloe found the body in

593
00:39:43.000 --> 00:39:46.840
the dumpster, right, which is
interesting, like where was that was the

594
00:39:46.880 --> 00:39:51.920
talent dumpster? Right? So it
was in another dumpster like Clark would have

595
00:39:51.920 --> 00:39:53.599
been like he was here, Chloe. But I think this is them not

596
00:39:53.639 --> 00:39:57.840
remembering all of the details. It's
interesting when they leaned so heavily into conduity

597
00:39:57.840 --> 00:40:00.760
and then forget like obvious things like
that. But what an epic fail by

598
00:40:00.880 --> 00:40:06.159
by Oliver Queen here because Oliver buried
his body. Yeah, it's like,

599
00:40:06.239 --> 00:40:08.079
dude, you gotta you gotta put
that thing. You gotta shoot that into

600
00:40:08.119 --> 00:40:10.679
space, you know, I mean, you don't just bury him in a

601
00:40:10.960 --> 00:40:15.960
wherever they bury him, right,
because yeah, that's an appropriate space with

602
00:40:16.039 --> 00:40:22.880
the corn Field killer. Right.
But Chloe is like deflecting a gaslighting,

603
00:40:22.880 --> 00:40:24.639
and Clark's like, hey, look, these people were killed the same way

604
00:40:24.639 --> 00:40:28.760
Dooms they killed his victims. So
I think it's I think it's Davis,

605
00:40:28.880 --> 00:40:31.519
And I can't believe this is such
a bad look for Chloe. She tells

606
00:40:31.519 --> 00:40:37.119
Clark, quote, the only thing
keeping him alive in your mind is fear,

607
00:40:37.840 --> 00:40:40.480
Like, well, you're keeping this
guy twenty feet away in the basement,

608
00:40:40.480 --> 00:40:44.480
and rewind your best friend like this
to his face. This is one

609
00:40:44.480 --> 00:40:52.480
of those examples where like a good
like sweep like Chloe, I think he's

610
00:40:52.519 --> 00:40:55.320
still close, like just can do
a quick sweep with your X ray vision

611
00:40:57.440 --> 00:41:00.639
like sparing, which is how he
finds him later when he gets there.

612
00:41:00.960 --> 00:41:02.159
Yeah, it's like the end of
the episode. You know what I'm saying,

613
00:41:02.199 --> 00:41:06.679
Like like, Clo, he's worried
for Chloe. You think you have

614
00:41:06.760 --> 00:41:10.119
these like ex sensories like you know, Cloe, I'm worried about you.

615
00:41:10.320 --> 00:41:14.599
I'm listening to make sure no one
else is here. We are safety.

616
00:41:14.599 --> 00:41:15.880
Oh there he is, like this
episode women over like in ten minutes.

617
00:41:16.320 --> 00:41:19.519
Well that's the problem they got.
They gotta keep it going, right,

618
00:41:19.760 --> 00:41:22.599
So there we go. Yeah we
got Chloe. Just lie in the Clark's

619
00:41:22.599 --> 00:41:25.000
face. Look with Oliver at the
ASA Clubs and he's doing a doing a

620
00:41:25.039 --> 00:41:30.719
business meeting there, Tyler. Yeah, he's working, and uh, I

621
00:41:30.719 --> 00:41:36.360
have in mind this is where you
don't have Oliver's running Luther Court. Jimmy

622
00:41:36.440 --> 00:41:38.599
is now on drugs because I totally
forgot, like leading up to the episodes

623
00:41:38.719 --> 00:41:43.119
they kind of did they try to
do this whole Jimmy on drugs thing,

624
00:41:43.400 --> 00:41:45.800
and I was like, oh,
yeah, Mike his pain killer addiction.

625
00:41:47.639 --> 00:41:51.480
Like I like he comes up to
the Oliver and hey, I'm talked for

626
00:41:51.519 --> 00:41:52.760
a second. This is really important, right. So they walk off and

627
00:41:52.760 --> 00:41:57.440
he's like, oh, starting up
your lunch and Oliver's like, there's not

628
00:41:57.519 --> 00:42:01.239
my frat bros. I'm here on
business. Yeah, And he's like,

629
00:42:01.400 --> 00:42:06.920
oh, I'm sorry. I just
I don't know about using back, but

630
00:42:07.000 --> 00:42:09.199
I don't have any like casual friends
with billionaires, you know, just walk

631
00:42:09.280 --> 00:42:13.320
up to you like, hey,
man, um, can I borrow like,

632
00:42:13.760 --> 00:42:17.440
you know, some couple hundred dollars
from my car? Like that's what

633
00:42:17.559 --> 00:42:21.760
they just carry in their wallet,
dude, Yeah, here, here's here's

634
00:42:21.760 --> 00:42:25.320
a five hundred dollars bill which you
only could just go away. Well,

635
00:42:25.360 --> 00:42:28.760
I like he has a very specific
request. He was like, I need

636
00:42:28.760 --> 00:42:31.519
six hundred dollars I needed asap.
And I guess he's The implication was at

637
00:42:31.519 --> 00:42:35.280
the end of Stiletto, though,
like he took all this extra fake printed

638
00:42:35.320 --> 00:42:37.519
money that the printed with the kryptonite, right because he went and bought some

639
00:42:37.559 --> 00:42:38.679
more drugs. And he's like,
oh, yeah, did he blow through

640
00:42:38.719 --> 00:42:43.199
that already? God, man,
get your addiction under control. But I

641
00:42:43.199 --> 00:42:45.440
guess that's the point. He can't
control it. I just want to know,

642
00:42:45.519 --> 00:42:47.239
do we ever established that Jimmy had
a car like I thought he did

643
00:42:47.280 --> 00:42:51.639
back in season seven. But but
that was when they were in Smallville.

644
00:42:51.639 --> 00:42:55.800
More. Oh, I remember his
car getting remembered by the and fierce,

645
00:42:57.320 --> 00:43:00.960
right he gains frozen. Yeah,
that's what I'm thinking. And that's that's

646
00:43:00.000 --> 00:43:04.199
back in season seven. Yeah,
it's over a year ago now, so

647
00:43:04.239 --> 00:43:07.159
I don't know. But he's saying
that the you know, alternator of his

648
00:43:07.199 --> 00:43:09.119
car went out, which is fair. That really sucks, you know that

649
00:43:09.280 --> 00:43:13.960
when that happens to people, right, I've had to happen. But Oliver,

650
00:43:14.480 --> 00:43:16.159
he susses him out perfectly. He's
like, I'm pretty sure it's not

651
00:43:16.199 --> 00:43:22.719
your car that needs to fix,
buddy. I just love the Oliver's what

652
00:43:22.840 --> 00:43:24.320
I love is Oliver like, look, I'll pay for your treatment. We'll

653
00:43:24.360 --> 00:43:28.719
keep a hush hush, I'll put
you somewhere and I'll pay for it.

654
00:43:28.800 --> 00:43:31.679
Like that's showing us signs like yeah, Oliver has the money, but still

655
00:43:31.679 --> 00:43:36.760
a good friend. He's like,
he's not just willing not to give Jimmy

656
00:43:36.760 --> 00:43:39.199
the money for drugs. He's like, look, pained, I'll get you.

657
00:43:39.239 --> 00:43:42.880
I'll help get you clean and get
you on the straight and narrow.

658
00:43:43.239 --> 00:43:45.360
Now, Oliver's one hundred percent of
the right here, and I really like

659
00:43:45.440 --> 00:43:49.280
how he handled it. But all
that being said, as much as I

660
00:43:49.280 --> 00:43:52.320
don't like this Jimmy on Drugs a
plot, I thought this was hilarious.

661
00:43:52.360 --> 00:43:55.199
Jimmy says, are you gonna drive
me there too? Because my car doesn't

662
00:43:55.239 --> 00:44:01.679
work? He's sticking with that line
to the bitter end. Fan. I

663
00:44:01.719 --> 00:44:06.639
thought that was that I would have
loved it. At one point he was

664
00:44:06.639 --> 00:44:08.639
talking to Oliver and Jimmy gets a
call from the mechanic like, are you

665
00:44:08.679 --> 00:44:14.039
coming to pay for your car?
And nine? And Oliver's like, but

666
00:44:15.280 --> 00:44:17.239
I like that he was so like
not willing to give up on the line

667
00:44:17.239 --> 00:44:20.400
because in so many of these shows
when people are confronted like, oh,

668
00:44:20.519 --> 00:44:22.760
you're right, you got me,
but no, like in the real world

669
00:44:22.039 --> 00:44:27.119
that people don't back down with the
lines like this. So I really that

670
00:44:27.159 --> 00:44:30.039
should have been a deleted scene.
Jimmy had a mechanic by the way,

671
00:44:30.239 --> 00:44:34.320
you know how you know how Oliver
consus is stuff out right? So his

672
00:44:34.719 --> 00:44:37.800
uh Kevin Pearson experience on This is
Us, Yeah, exactly what I thought

673
00:44:37.800 --> 00:44:43.880
of for sure. So listen,
I've been there, Jimmy. I have

674
00:44:43.880 --> 00:44:47.559
to hurt my leg, you know, I got these faint killers anyway,

675
00:44:49.199 --> 00:44:51.360
talking about Kevin Pearson, This is
Us by the way, check it out.

676
00:44:51.360 --> 00:44:54.079
It's a great show. But speaking
of Oliver, Choe's confessing to doctor

677
00:44:54.119 --> 00:44:59.639
Hamilton about Davis, and Hamilton's like, well, we gotta I gotta tell

678
00:44:59.639 --> 00:45:02.760
Oliver about this, and she says
Oliver can't be trusted because he killed Lex

679
00:45:02.880 --> 00:45:07.280
Luthor, Like, and I mean
that, what does that have to do

680
00:45:07.320 --> 00:45:10.760
with this? Right? I mean
it was wrong, but you know what

681
00:45:10.800 --> 00:45:14.639
I'm saying, Yeah, I mean
it was wrong. But it's like that's

682
00:45:14.719 --> 00:45:19.159
one thing that's not kind of her
thing to tell too, you're just kind

683
00:45:19.159 --> 00:45:22.960
of trying to I saw it as
attacted to exceed doubt so that Emil won't

684
00:45:23.079 --> 00:45:28.280
turn to Oliver to tell him and
her himself. Oh absolutely. She is

685
00:45:28.320 --> 00:45:34.159
such a liar and manipulated this episode
like it's it's too much my nose constantly

686
00:45:34.199 --> 00:45:37.000
say Chloe, what happened to your
loyalty? Like and then we get we'll

687
00:45:37.039 --> 00:45:38.920
get there at the end, but
like I'm still like, well, I

688
00:45:39.039 --> 00:45:42.519
tell you what happened to her loyalty? He went to Davis? Right,

689
00:45:42.639 --> 00:45:45.639
That's that's that's the problem here.
Right. But by the way, doctor

690
00:45:45.639 --> 00:45:50.519
Hampton, some epic sideburns. Have
you noticed this? Yes, because it's

691
00:45:50.519 --> 00:45:53.760
the eldest impersonation when he gets there. Man, he's exact way there,

692
00:45:53.960 --> 00:45:58.920
right, But but no, I
really like Alisano Giulianti. I loved him.

693
00:45:58.960 --> 00:46:02.360
I actically he was her Gaeta and
uh. I love being the only

694
00:46:02.440 --> 00:46:07.119
person in Man of Steel who recognized
him and was like two Doctor Hamilts at

695
00:46:07.119 --> 00:46:09.119
the same time. Yes, of
course he's a Man of Steel like so

696
00:46:09.159 --> 00:46:14.599
many other small blactors are. But
it's interesting because he and Richard Schiff are

697
00:46:14.599 --> 00:46:16.320
the same scene. Richard Ship's playing
that backdampt so that Yeah, that was

698
00:46:16.360 --> 00:46:19.599
cool. But yeah, I guess
I had never really noticed before, like

699
00:46:19.599 --> 00:46:23.039
that his hairstyle here on small with
these epic seventies sideburns, Like get him

700
00:46:23.039 --> 00:46:27.079
in a Star Wars project as soon
as possible, because he would totally fit

701
00:46:27.159 --> 00:46:30.320
in with the with the hairstyle,
right, Yeah, they'd be liked did

702
00:46:30.360 --> 00:46:32.559
we do that in makeup? Like? No, that's just me, man,

703
00:46:32.639 --> 00:46:37.599
that's just bro. It's all premeditated. Partner Chloe makes a pretty good

704
00:46:37.599 --> 00:46:40.440
web MD joke, which is pretty
funny. I thought about looking up alien

705
00:46:40.440 --> 00:46:44.360
and diseases and stuff. But this
is where they bring up the whole water

706
00:46:44.360 --> 00:46:45.880
bottle thing because he because doctor Hammond's
like, well, I would need to

707
00:46:45.880 --> 00:46:47.920
see him in person, and Chloe's
well, that's not gonna happen. He's

708
00:46:47.920 --> 00:46:51.800
like, well, I need some
cells somehow. And then she gives him

709
00:46:51.840 --> 00:46:54.119
this this water bottle, right,
which was set up in the other scene.

710
00:46:54.119 --> 00:46:58.119
That's why it was confusing, and
that's why I feel like, like

711
00:46:58.199 --> 00:47:00.599
you said, like they changed did
of how it's gonna float and just kind

712
00:47:00.599 --> 00:47:05.639
of condensed some things together. It
looks like an insert shot even, right,

713
00:47:07.280 --> 00:47:09.239
get some money in a car and
hold this bag up and I don't

714
00:47:09.280 --> 00:47:12.440
know, but he's gonna see what
he can do with it. Right,

715
00:47:12.800 --> 00:47:16.639
So then Chloe gets out of the
car and then immediately out of out of

716
00:47:16.719 --> 00:47:22.559
nowhere, she runs into Davis.
Oh yeah, I got the line.

717
00:47:22.559 --> 00:47:28.679
I got the line. Nothing helps
Chloe. I can't be away from you.

718
00:47:28.679 --> 00:47:32.719
You know it looks at your photos. I held your hair. I'm

719
00:47:32.760 --> 00:47:37.599
like, dude, you are a
sick person at that point, like you

720
00:47:37.679 --> 00:47:42.039
know, like this can't go on, Like even if we're holding hands and

721
00:47:42.119 --> 00:47:45.760
skipping all day long every day,
like this is not gonna go on.

722
00:47:45.920 --> 00:47:49.079
Well, like anything else, he
builds up. You build up a tolerance

723
00:47:49.119 --> 00:47:52.000
too, right, Like he was
taking those anti psychotic drugs and whatever,

724
00:47:52.039 --> 00:47:55.159
they build up a tolerance and that
and and isn't that the character of Doomsday

725
00:47:55.159 --> 00:48:00.159
in this or they have him set
up here anyways? Is that whatever or

726
00:48:00.199 --> 00:48:04.039
works or doesn't work kills him affects
him in any way, he builds up

727
00:48:04.039 --> 00:48:07.480
a tolerance to overcome it. And
that's how he got resurrected anyway. I

728
00:48:07.519 --> 00:48:12.920
mean, like you're talking about the
anti psychotics, like those were dumbing down

729
00:48:13.000 --> 00:48:16.000
his brain in a since weakending him. Yeah, so he built the like

730
00:48:16.159 --> 00:48:21.480
you know in his DNA was to
overcome it so it would no longer affect

731
00:48:21.559 --> 00:48:25.880
him. And that's just kind of
what he is period. Yeah, So

732
00:48:28.119 --> 00:48:31.880
he tell me he came two hours
to Metropolis to find her. Um,

733
00:48:32.320 --> 00:48:37.719
I think maybe he just leaped like
the Hulk. Well we'll put a pin

734
00:48:37.760 --> 00:48:39.000
in that, because he has some
powers later that he never had before him

735
00:48:39.039 --> 00:48:42.360
in this human form. But you
have mad on sence. This is re

736
00:48:42.559 --> 00:48:46.440
established Tither. But in Abyss,
after Chloe's mind gets raised and she's talking

737
00:48:46.440 --> 00:48:52.719
about Clark running errands to Metropolis and
it would be two hours away, like

738
00:48:52.119 --> 00:48:55.880
the show re established it was really
far because in season seven, like again

739
00:48:57.039 --> 00:48:59.559
I probably quoted this morning anything else
on the podcast with Lionels, like it's

740
00:48:59.559 --> 00:49:01.480
a small how just outside the city, right, Like, all right,

741
00:49:01.559 --> 00:49:07.639
we've red conned the three hours away
from season three in truth right to it's

742
00:49:07.639 --> 00:49:10.559
a small town just outside the city. I'm like, all right, fine,

743
00:49:10.960 --> 00:49:15.320
right, but then to go back
to the oh it's two hours away,

744
00:49:15.519 --> 00:49:17.679
and then still have these characters going
back and forth in this very episode

745
00:49:19.440 --> 00:49:22.480
right two hours away. He doesn't
have a car. I don't know anyway,

746
00:49:22.920 --> 00:49:28.599
And I've told you before, is
I live in a small city outside

747
00:49:29.440 --> 00:49:35.639
you know, Columbus, Ohio.
So it's like thirty five thirty to forty

748
00:49:35.679 --> 00:49:38.920
minutes to Columbus, depending if you're
going downtown or what. And that's how

749
00:49:38.920 --> 00:49:42.559
I always feel like they try to
make Smallville into it's like, oh,

750
00:49:42.639 --> 00:49:45.599
just outside the city, you know, three hours away. I'm looking at

751
00:49:45.679 --> 00:49:51.760
going from where I am to like
Cleveland or Toledo actually where James, my

752
00:49:51.800 --> 00:49:54.280
co host actually lives. Like so
that's you know, three hours to James.

753
00:49:54.320 --> 00:49:58.400
I've done that trip in a day, three hours up seeing him for

754
00:49:58.440 --> 00:50:00.440
a while, you know, hours
three back down you are doing that every

755
00:50:00.480 --> 00:50:05.559
day. I'm telling you, like, that's no, that's ridiculous. But

756
00:50:05.760 --> 00:50:09.440
I like this other uh Davis quote
that happens where they talk about leaving together

757
00:50:09.480 --> 00:50:14.679
and it says, honestly, tell
me by the most important person in your

758
00:50:14.719 --> 00:50:21.119
life, I would do anything for
you. Davis what they're phone psycho.

759
00:50:21.280 --> 00:50:23.000
But oh, so they're at they're
back in the basement at this point,

760
00:50:23.159 --> 00:50:25.880
right and koye, we need even
mention this. But Clark had brought into

761
00:50:27.079 --> 00:50:31.480
a Daily Planet headline calling Davis the
the the Cornfield Killer. He's like,

762
00:50:31.480 --> 00:50:36.679
oh, tested put out all this
you know, stuff about Davis still being

763
00:50:36.679 --> 00:50:38.280
alive, and Cooe shows us to
him so like, well, I didn't

764
00:50:38.280 --> 00:50:40.440
want to shright before because I didn't
want to upset you. But this is

765
00:50:40.440 --> 00:50:45.960
getting pretty serious, right, so
everybody knows that you're this killer and it's

766
00:50:45.320 --> 00:50:50.400
yeah. For Coe had to say
to get to the point where she's gonna

767
00:50:50.400 --> 00:50:52.119
be like, I would do anything
for you, I'm like, dude,

768
00:50:52.480 --> 00:50:55.719
like come on, like and and
then the the the Creepy Davis music plays

769
00:50:55.719 --> 00:51:00.639
like, oh, you know it
is. It is creepy. It is

770
00:51:00.719 --> 00:51:02.719
unsettling, but they that that music
gets a lettle play and the end of

771
00:51:02.760 --> 00:51:06.199
season eight, doesn't it. They're
like, we paid for this, we

772
00:51:06.199 --> 00:51:10.719
were gonna play this whenever we can. It's exactly right. But then we

773
00:51:10.760 --> 00:51:15.320
get to m Oliver at his Luther
Coorp. Office. What do you what

774
00:51:15.360 --> 00:51:20.840
do you think Oliver's Luther Corp.
Office. M It's just kind of weird

775
00:51:20.880 --> 00:51:25.480
that he's in Luther Core period like
that. I don't know. I just

776
00:51:27.039 --> 00:51:29.840
like, I'm glad he's off the
plane, like we literally blew up the

777
00:51:29.880 --> 00:51:31.039
plan. Yeah, yeah, yeah, we're yeah, yeah, I'm glad.

778
00:51:31.079 --> 00:51:36.360
But the factor, like the like
the Lex and Linel office was such

779
00:51:36.400 --> 00:51:38.039
a cool set and they've like made
it. I don't like that, Like

780
00:51:38.039 --> 00:51:42.880
there's like piping on the wall now, like you're in some industrial you know.

781
00:51:42.920 --> 00:51:45.239
I just I don't. I don't
know how a fan of this of

782
00:51:45.320 --> 00:51:49.559
this set. So Clark shows up
to talk about Davis, and he tells

783
00:51:49.599 --> 00:51:51.760
Oliver like, hey, I went
to the grave you put him in.

784
00:51:51.840 --> 00:51:54.199
It's empty. It looks like something
clawed out. Nobody dug him out,

785
00:51:54.239 --> 00:51:59.440
something clawed out. So obviously Davis
turned back into Doomsday and clawed himself out

786
00:51:59.480 --> 00:52:02.440
and then gone back to being human, and then of course went to the

787
00:52:02.519 --> 00:52:08.599
talent to as schooling to live with
him forever. I guess that's hot,

788
00:52:08.639 --> 00:52:12.199
you know, honestly, I guess
the title is beauty like Beast. It

789
00:52:12.239 --> 00:52:15.559
is approved because this is the most
beauty and the beast of all the I

790
00:52:15.559 --> 00:52:20.760
guess what's going on here, right? Yeah, So okay, I'll give

791
00:52:20.760 --> 00:52:22.280
it to you all right. The
way it works, it works to this

792
00:52:22.280 --> 00:52:24.639
episode. We'll find another title for
Eternal. That's the one that needs a

793
00:52:24.679 --> 00:52:29.280
new title. But but speaking of
Oliver says, I can tell you how

794
00:52:29.280 --> 00:52:31.719
to Conquer the Beast. Episode title
said an episode. So there you go.

795
00:52:31.760 --> 00:52:35.599
There, that's why the episode title
came in mind there, but I

796
00:52:35.920 --> 00:52:38.280
caught it later. It's said by
another character. It said a lot actually,

797
00:52:38.559 --> 00:52:40.920
right, Jimmy says it too.
Yep, that's the one that I

798
00:52:42.000 --> 00:52:45.079
highlighted. Beast. Yeah, because
the way, because it was the way

799
00:52:45.119 --> 00:52:49.000
he said it like it was very
almost yeah, almost like he broke the

800
00:52:49.000 --> 00:52:53.280
fourth wall, look right at you, beast. Yeah. Now, I

801
00:52:53.360 --> 00:52:57.599
thought this was a line from the
finale where Oliver's like, kick his ass,

802
00:52:57.639 --> 00:52:59.760
Clark, get this thing out of
our lives forever, right in my

803
00:53:00.000 --> 00:53:01.280
Marie, This is from Doomsday,
like the season finale, but it was

804
00:53:01.360 --> 00:53:08.519
just here, I'm like, oh, okay, sure because they have this

805
00:53:08.639 --> 00:53:13.760
argument about the kill no kill argument, which is the you know, crux

806
00:53:13.800 --> 00:53:17.840
of of Oliver and Clark having some
disagreements this season about killing or not killing,

807
00:53:19.599 --> 00:53:22.679
and yeah, Oliver wants him to
kill Doomsday and Clark's like, no,

808
00:53:22.760 --> 00:53:24.559
I don't do that. No he
doesn't. Like he has another plan,

809
00:53:24.679 --> 00:53:30.440
which is always my favorite plan for
Superman when he fights Doomsday. This

810
00:53:30.639 --> 00:53:34.360
at least has a little bit of
a twist to it. But this is

811
00:53:34.400 --> 00:53:36.840
always my thoughts when I'm like,
oh, he's gonna fight Doomsday, what

812
00:53:36.920 --> 00:53:42.559
is he gonna do? This is
what he's gonna do? It was it?

813
00:53:42.679 --> 00:53:45.840
Did they ever say why he didn't
get the phantoms own Projector in the

814
00:53:45.159 --> 00:53:50.880
in the comic books in nineteen ninety
three? Nope, that was all.

815
00:53:50.960 --> 00:53:52.039
That's always my joke, Like when
I talked to my wife, like,

816
00:53:52.039 --> 00:53:55.199
if you were fighting Doomsday like phantom
zone Projector, and then I'm like,

817
00:53:55.320 --> 00:54:00.559
or just claim in space, just
grab him. I'm I'm not like,

818
00:54:00.599 --> 00:54:05.280
I'm mans powers. I really wouldn't
fight anybody. I would just be like,

819
00:54:05.639 --> 00:54:08.280
there'd be a very minimal effort and
a lot of things just you know,

820
00:54:09.760 --> 00:54:15.320
heat vision tows him to space phantom
zone. You know that's what Superman

821
00:54:15.320 --> 00:54:19.280
of the Movies does. Everything goes
to space, all right, Doomsday goes

822
00:54:19.280 --> 00:54:24.920
in space. Is odd continents,
nucular vessel, nuclear missiles, elevators,

823
00:54:24.960 --> 00:54:30.760
balls, exactly where you just put
everything like throw into the sun. Throw

824
00:54:30.800 --> 00:54:35.719
it into the sun. So let
me get to Chloe. At isis talking

825
00:54:35.760 --> 00:54:39.559
to doctor Hamilton on the computer screens
there and she she's talking to him about

826
00:54:39.599 --> 00:54:45.519
the cells that he got from the
water bottle, and uh, Chloe's getting

827
00:54:45.559 --> 00:54:46.440
kind of desperate now. She's like, all right, like I don't got

828
00:54:46.440 --> 00:54:50.679
a lot of cards left to play. Uh, and what if? What

829
00:54:50.719 --> 00:54:52.800
if I brought him into you?
And I love how he said that's maybe

830
00:54:52.840 --> 00:54:55.480
laughing out loud. He's like,
frankly, I don't want him anywhere near

831
00:54:55.519 --> 00:55:00.119
me. You see, he's seeing
what his cells can do, right,

832
00:55:00.159 --> 00:55:05.360
tell her. Yeah, he's like
he was talked about trying to uh what

833
00:55:05.639 --> 00:55:08.119
you like? Basically he saw that
they are indestructible. So yeah, I

834
00:55:08.119 --> 00:55:10.599
wouldn't. I'd be like the same
thing. No, I don't want him.

835
00:55:10.880 --> 00:55:15.440
I don't want him. I'm scared, Like, yeah, no,

836
00:55:15.559 --> 00:55:21.000
he's he is a very sensible guy
here, right, and that they talk

837
00:55:21.039 --> 00:55:23.199
about like what would cause him the
change? Like, oh, intense emotions

838
00:55:23.280 --> 00:55:28.760
like love, hate, obsession,
and Choe takes a moment. I'm like,

839
00:55:28.760 --> 00:55:31.039
why I don't understand him? Like
Chloe, obviously he's obsessed with you

840
00:55:31.079 --> 00:55:36.480
and in love with you. That's
why she seems to confused still about why

841
00:55:36.679 --> 00:55:39.280
she is the cure for him.
It's like it's very it seems pretty obvious

842
00:55:39.280 --> 00:55:49.480
to all of us, right,
Yes, it is, um Chloe if

843
00:55:50.840 --> 00:55:57.039
every possible flag that could be thrown
in her face is thrown in this episode

844
00:55:57.079 --> 00:56:01.760
and she ignores every warning. Signed, Yeah, I gotta say, you

845
00:56:01.800 --> 00:56:06.320
know, people like to give Alana
a lot of crap for poor choice and

846
00:56:07.280 --> 00:56:10.239
boyfriends or men, or or her
betrayals of Clark. Right, Alanna,

847
00:56:10.280 --> 00:56:14.679
I ain't got nothing on Chloe this
season at all. Oh I mean this,

848
00:56:15.000 --> 00:56:15.920
I mean even in this what we're
talking abo right now, this is

849
00:56:15.920 --> 00:56:20.239
where Chloe sends Clark to Alaska.
Oh my god. Okay, yeah,

850
00:56:20.280 --> 00:56:24.360
So well, first of all,
she's like she she kind of like reverse

851
00:56:24.440 --> 00:56:29.199
threatens. Hamilton's like for for telling
people, He's, well, we have

852
00:56:29.239 --> 00:56:30.840
to warn people about this guy.
She's like, oh no, you don't

853
00:56:30.880 --> 00:56:34.079
want to do that because you betray
me, and if you betray me,

854
00:56:34.119 --> 00:56:36.320
you betray him, and you don't
want him in his bad side. I'm

855
00:56:36.360 --> 00:56:38.400
like, this is what this is
what you're gonna do. Right. She's

856
00:56:38.440 --> 00:56:43.679
trying to like to keep him quiet, right, because Hamilton, again,

857
00:56:43.800 --> 00:56:46.920
sensible guy, we got to warn
people this serial killer, alien monster is

858
00:56:46.960 --> 00:56:50.519
around, right, it's dangerous.
Right. So then she basically, you

859
00:56:50.559 --> 00:56:53.920
know, kind of hangs on him. So Okay, the thing with Clark,

860
00:56:54.000 --> 00:56:58.280
it actually confused me for a second
because I think in TV terms,

861
00:56:58.400 --> 00:57:01.360
right, think about this. He
he leaves Oliver's office, he superspeeds off,

862
00:57:01.880 --> 00:57:05.800
right. He does say that he
has his other plan, right,

863
00:57:06.119 --> 00:57:09.079
let go to the fortress and figure
out this whole thing. Right, But

864
00:57:09.119 --> 00:57:13.719
when you see Clark's super speed away
from one scene and the next time you

865
00:57:13.760 --> 00:57:15.440
see him he's super speeds into a
scene, in your mind, at least

866
00:57:15.440 --> 00:57:19.400
has happened to me? I was
like, did he run from Oliver's office

867
00:57:19.400 --> 00:57:23.480
to Isis to talk to Chloe?
The only person who thought this? That's

868
00:57:23.480 --> 00:57:28.199
how I kind of would have thought
it, because he would run to her

869
00:57:28.239 --> 00:57:32.960
to talk about his plan. Feels
like, logically, she's closer than him

870
00:57:32.960 --> 00:57:37.280
going here back right, So I
would think yeah, and I thought that,

871
00:57:37.559 --> 00:57:40.559
and I was like in my mind, I was like, well,

872
00:57:40.559 --> 00:57:43.880
this is dumb. The first thing
he asked or is have you heard from

873
00:57:43.880 --> 00:57:46.400
Oliver LEI because he attacked Oliver in
his previous scene like hey, I'll take

874
00:57:46.440 --> 00:57:50.320
care of Doomsday, you take care
of Chloe, right, But then for

875
00:57:50.400 --> 00:57:52.599
him to speed over to Chloe to
be like, hey, here's from Oliver

876
00:57:52.679 --> 00:57:54.719
Ley. But then he goes on
to talk about oh, I went up

877
00:57:54.719 --> 00:58:00.519
to the fortress and I got I
got a faint signal from the console and

878
00:58:00.639 --> 00:58:04.400
I found the crystal the brainiac used
to release odd. I was like,

879
00:58:04.480 --> 00:58:07.039
this, they clearly didn't know what
to do with the fortress salted this pointing

880
00:58:07.039 --> 00:58:12.519
time. I'm like, that would
have been a better scene in this episode

881
00:58:12.519 --> 00:58:16.079
of just seeing Clark like working on
something in the fortress. It is where

882
00:58:16.119 --> 00:58:19.719
were the crystals? Like what do
you even? Like? You just gotta

883
00:58:19.719 --> 00:58:22.760
show him like under like he's under
a car like under the under the const

884
00:58:22.840 --> 00:58:25.920
I found the found that blue crystal
from season five, right, Um,

885
00:58:27.079 --> 00:58:30.519
it's good continuity, but it's it's
like they turned Jarrell off and take him

886
00:58:30.519 --> 00:58:34.519
away. So many times it's like, because I guess we're to leave,

887
00:58:35.119 --> 00:58:37.880
Yeah, we're less to believe the
brainiac rupted it, which makes sense right

888
00:58:37.920 --> 00:58:42.239
when he took over and doomsday was
hatched there and all that stuff. But

889
00:58:42.320 --> 00:58:45.039
then it's like, how does Darrell
come back in season nine? That's never

890
00:58:45.360 --> 00:58:47.480
I think it's ever explained. Clark's
just training with him in season nine,

891
00:58:47.519 --> 00:58:52.039
let's never explained. But over the
summer, it's right, he worked on

892
00:58:52.159 --> 00:58:57.519
it, right, But anyway,
all that conversations like oh no, he

893
00:58:57.559 --> 00:59:01.039
didn't super speed over from A to
B, right, he went to Dartic

894
00:59:01.079 --> 00:59:04.559
and did all this stuff and then
came to talk to Choi, So I

895
00:59:04.559 --> 00:59:07.280
would have liked it. I guess
my problem is he should not have super

896
00:59:07.320 --> 00:59:10.920
sped into the room, right,
because that made you think that was the

897
00:59:12.079 --> 00:59:15.320
end of what you had seen and
run off from the previous time you saw.

898
00:59:15.400 --> 00:59:17.159
Maybe I'll get may we'll getting too
particularly here. But you know what

899
00:59:17.159 --> 00:59:20.400
I'm saying, Oh no, no, it's it's the it's the same kind

900
00:59:20.440 --> 00:59:23.280
of like in your brain, like
he leaves here, comes in here,

901
00:59:24.960 --> 00:59:29.079
You're like, okay, you buy
it because the same action, yeah,

902
00:59:29.199 --> 00:59:31.639
you know, and you don't think
he went up to the Arctic for a

903
00:59:31.639 --> 00:59:36.239
whole adventure in between. I mean
maybe in the script origin there was a

904
00:59:36.280 --> 00:59:38.400
scene of him in the artic and
they cut that out in scripting and then

905
00:59:38.440 --> 00:59:44.320
just didn't think about like maybe so
the blocking of it all perhaps, Yeah,

906
00:59:44.360 --> 00:59:51.559
anyway, but Clark kind of tells
Kloys Plant is right. He's he's

907
00:59:51.559 --> 00:59:53.840
gonna put him in the phantom zone, right, which is which is a

908
00:59:53.840 --> 00:59:59.039
good plan. Like, as we
said, like he craming if I'm wrong.

909
00:59:59.079 --> 01:00:04.360
Did they not put dooms saying the
phantom zone in uh just Asleep the

910
01:00:04.440 --> 01:00:08.639
Animal series? Yeah, I think
so, trying to remember, I know

911
01:00:08.639 --> 01:00:12.440
they five him in a Superman five
him in a volcano and they didn't do

912
01:00:12.480 --> 01:00:16.519
it. That's a Superman thing.
So yeah, the doomsday sanction, yeah,

913
01:00:16.760 --> 01:00:21.360
huh. I don't know when this
would have I thought in my head,

914
01:00:21.400 --> 01:00:24.000
I can see Superman with the phantom
zone projector and he said Jims day

915
01:00:24.039 --> 01:00:30.559
there, but I can't. I
can't place it. So it just it

916
01:00:30.679 --> 01:00:37.400
makes sense because Clark's looking at him
as more of the beast, Chloe sees

917
01:00:37.480 --> 01:00:43.320
him as the man. There's a
line later about I want to jump too

918
01:00:43.360 --> 01:00:46.719
far ahead but just in the whole
conversation of the idea of being in the

919
01:00:46.719 --> 01:00:52.480
phantom then Chloe mentions like you would
have you know, can put him in

920
01:00:52.519 --> 01:00:54.960
a damned him, you know,
being in the phantom zone. But there's

921
01:00:55.000 --> 01:01:00.440
also a line about he could be
himself. That was not okay, Yeah,

922
01:01:00.480 --> 01:01:01.320
well let's put a fit of that. That was interesting. I thought

923
01:01:01.320 --> 01:01:06.239
Clark was doing a kind of sleazy
car salesman job on that. It's it's

924
01:01:06.280 --> 01:01:09.480
a it's a twofold because it looks
like it makes you ask, what is

925
01:01:09.559 --> 01:01:14.599
himself? True? Because if because
if we're going by the Beast of Doom's

926
01:01:14.679 --> 01:01:21.559
day, he can be terrible in
the phantom zone, you know, yeah,

927
01:01:21.599 --> 01:01:24.239
exactly, so he can be who
he is. But if you're looking

928
01:01:24.280 --> 01:01:29.320
at Davis, but we still think
Davis is the good there's a guy,

929
01:01:30.079 --> 01:01:32.440
then no, he can't be.
But at the same time, Davis is

930
01:01:32.440 --> 01:01:37.079
condemned to a life of torment.
Anyways, Well, I do, and

931
01:01:37.119 --> 01:01:39.960
I do like the hard line that
Superman is taking here, Clark is taking

932
01:01:40.000 --> 01:01:43.840
here about the not killing thing.
It's all it's an old cannon word to

933
01:01:43.880 --> 01:01:45.840
talk about talk about it on an
off air, and it's the whole crux

934
01:01:45.880 --> 01:01:47.360
of Oliver and Clark are you in
the season, But it's very It's made

935
01:01:47.480 --> 01:01:52.079
very clear. Like I you know, I've said before, like you know,

936
01:01:52.119 --> 01:01:54.199
Batman shouldn't kill people, but I
don't. I think you're making kill

937
01:01:54.239 --> 01:01:58.039
people. It's cool, but you
look at this season and Clark just I'm

938
01:01:58.079 --> 01:01:59.679
like, when is he I even
said this. I'm like, when is

939
01:01:59.679 --> 01:02:02.000
super I ever said I don't kill
people? And like this very season and

940
01:02:02.119 --> 01:02:06.599
Legion He's like, if there's any
code of conduct has to do with me,

941
01:02:06.880 --> 01:02:08.920
number one rule would be do not
kill. Ever I'm like, well,

942
01:02:08.960 --> 01:02:12.159
you kind of said it in my
favorite chill, so I better abide

943
01:02:12.159 --> 01:02:14.719
by it. So I like,
and this is where conflict comes right from

944
01:02:14.800 --> 01:02:16.960
him, Like he is imposing this
choice on himself to not kill people,

945
01:02:17.000 --> 01:02:21.920
and that makes it more complicated,
right because he's the SUPERPROFERC guy. I

946
01:02:21.960 --> 01:02:23.719
could kill any one if ever wanted
to. But I like his line.

947
01:02:23.760 --> 01:02:28.360
Henry says to Chloe, Like,
Chloe, he's killed over fifty people and

948
01:02:28.480 --> 01:02:30.719
he put Jimmy in the hospital.
There's nothing more I can do for him.

949
01:02:31.599 --> 01:02:35.920
I mean there it is right there, yeah, I mean yeah,

950
01:02:36.239 --> 01:02:38.639
they realized they can't kill him.
He is a killer. He is something

951
01:02:38.679 --> 01:02:44.320
that's becoming unstoppable, and Chloe rationally
has to believe that she can't. Just

952
01:02:44.519 --> 01:02:50.000
in this episode alone, how far
Davis moves in his I had a piece

953
01:02:50.039 --> 01:02:53.119
of your hair. I looked at
your photos like that's not gonna work.

954
01:02:53.320 --> 01:02:58.360
So I kind of wish he had
went to the phantom zone and like pulled

955
01:02:58.440 --> 01:03:02.800
Chloe in with him or something like
interesting, if I'm going you're going to

956
01:03:04.000 --> 01:03:07.639
kind of thing like yeah, well
yeah, he says nothing Clark later,

957
01:03:07.719 --> 01:03:10.519
But but the spin Chloye does on
this. She argues with Clark say no,

958
01:03:10.760 --> 01:03:14.079
no, you can't do that.
He's like why not. It's like,

959
01:03:14.159 --> 01:03:17.239
well, well what if it like
sucks you into He's like, well,

960
01:03:17.519 --> 01:03:20.039
it's a risk I have to take. She's like, no, no,

961
01:03:20.159 --> 01:03:22.679
no, no, it's it's the
good of the world comes first,

962
01:03:22.119 --> 01:03:27.559
right, And you know, because
Clark's like you told me they actually put

963
01:03:27.599 --> 01:03:29.360
the good of the world first.
Of these things come and say, well,

964
01:03:29.400 --> 01:03:30.639
that's that's them. I was talking
about it. She's like her spin

965
01:03:30.800 --> 01:03:34.760
is so like, I hate it. I hate her spin, trying to

966
01:03:34.840 --> 01:03:37.239
convince the Clark and herself that it's
oh no, it's it's not about him,

967
01:03:37.239 --> 01:03:39.840
it's about you, right, So
she sends she sends Clark, and

968
01:03:39.880 --> 01:03:43.199
she said earlier, she sends him
off to Alaska. She's like, well,

969
01:03:44.159 --> 01:03:45.599
you know, I heard about these
murders in Alaska. I didn't want

970
01:03:45.599 --> 01:03:49.199
to alarm anybody until I've done my
research. And Clark's like, okay,

971
01:03:49.639 --> 01:03:52.360
no problem, I'm off. So
she he superspeeds off to give her time

972
01:03:53.000 --> 01:03:55.480
to figure out what to do next, because she had told Davis last time,

973
01:03:55.519 --> 01:03:59.360
like in the basement there when they
decided to leave town together, right,

974
01:03:59.440 --> 01:04:00.679
like, let me just put in
a few affairs in order, and

975
01:04:01.000 --> 01:04:04.440
you know, I'll be back.
And so this is what she's doing now,

976
01:04:04.480 --> 01:04:08.400
and I can't I can't believe she's
just just got Clark out of her

977
01:04:08.440 --> 01:04:12.920
way like that. I know Alaska, Like that's not that far. She's

978
01:04:12.960 --> 01:04:15.280
been better, Like in Russia,
Chloe, I was just there at the

979
01:04:15.360 --> 01:04:18.760
fortress. Yeah, exactly, Like
that's just like two steps from the fortress,

980
01:04:18.840 --> 01:04:21.039
Chloe. We're good. But but
here we go. This is this

981
01:04:21.119 --> 01:04:27.760
is a little supply here that I
completely forgotten about. Tyler Oliver shows up

982
01:04:27.800 --> 01:04:30.239
at the Talent right, he's looking
for Chloe because Clark sent him to go

983
01:04:30.360 --> 01:04:39.360
take care of Chloe, but he
finds Jimmy going through chloe stuff looking for

984
01:04:39.480 --> 01:04:42.639
drug money, and Jimmy's so pathetic. He's like, oh, it's it's

985
01:04:42.639 --> 01:04:45.719
I'm not stealing, it's as I'm
gonna pay it back now, you're not

986
01:04:45.840 --> 01:04:50.639
Jimmy. But then they both get
knocked out by Davis. Like, I

987
01:04:50.719 --> 01:04:55.280
had no memory of this at all, Tyler, I just can't. This

988
01:04:55.440 --> 01:04:58.400
made Jimmy more and more pathetic of
like, I'm gonna pay it back.

989
01:05:00.400 --> 01:05:04.880
Yeah, they get knocked out by
Davis, and then Jimmy and Oliver are

990
01:05:04.960 --> 01:05:09.760
held captive by Davis. And this
is when Jimmy realized. He said,

991
01:05:09.760 --> 01:05:14.280
that's where Jimmy says he's a beast. Yeah, because because oliversus, I've

992
01:05:14.320 --> 01:05:16.519
seen your horns, which Jimmy connects
to like the monster at the wedding.

993
01:05:17.599 --> 01:05:20.440
Uh So, so it's all it's
all coming up because he never made that

994
01:05:20.480 --> 01:05:25.000
true connection before that he was the
monster from from the wedding. Right by

995
01:05:25.000 --> 01:05:27.679
the way they wake up tied up, we don't count that anymore in this

996
01:05:27.719 --> 01:05:30.840
Talebory. That was only for Lex. When Lex spoke up died up,

997
01:05:30.880 --> 01:05:33.199
that was very specific. So We're
not going to count that this time around.

998
01:05:34.079 --> 01:05:39.440
Uh he he drops a Basically,
you wouldn't like me when I'm angry

999
01:05:40.280 --> 01:05:43.599
lying on Jimmy because Jimmy's trying to
trying to get a rise out of him,

1000
01:05:44.400 --> 01:05:46.400
and Chi calls him on the phone. She's like, oh, I'm

1001
01:05:46.400 --> 01:05:49.719
I'm going home now, and like
I'm in Metropolis. It's like two hours

1002
01:05:49.800 --> 01:05:54.639
away, you know. And I
think those those deleted scenes with the with

1003
01:05:54.719 --> 01:06:00.559
the FBI agents, what happened around
here somewhere, those were right. But

1004
01:06:01.039 --> 01:06:04.239
I you know, I really like
how Jimmy eggs on Davis here. I'm

1005
01:06:04.239 --> 01:06:09.280
like, good for you, Jimmy
to having some some self respector I liked

1006
01:06:09.320 --> 01:06:12.840
how he was finally like standing up
for himself here against Davis. Oliver says,

1007
01:06:13.119 --> 01:06:16.519
really Jones on a girl? Yeah, yeah, I do. Like.

1008
01:06:16.559 --> 01:06:18.519
Oliver's like, hey, man,
I know it's like the Jones after

1009
01:06:18.559 --> 01:06:27.199
a girl. But Jimmy offers himself
up to be to be killed, right.

1010
01:06:27.360 --> 01:06:29.199
He's like, look, you know
someone killed me, but you your

1011
01:06:29.199 --> 01:06:32.559
two episodes to really Jimmy, right, yeah, which is crazy. It's

1012
01:06:32.599 --> 01:06:36.440
like that kind of makes me think
again, like that was not planned.

1013
01:06:36.480 --> 01:06:42.280
Why would you tease that here and
then do it two episodes later, man,

1014
01:06:42.400 --> 01:06:44.400
just because they were like, we
need an emotional Cliff, and we

1015
01:06:44.519 --> 01:06:49.039
need something that really pushes Clark into
be self exile. He puts himself in

1016
01:06:50.239 --> 01:06:55.119
and I'm playing himself for Jimmy's death. Right after, right after, you

1017
01:06:55.159 --> 01:06:58.119
know, I'm still no thunder,
but right after something good happens with Clark

1018
01:06:58.159 --> 01:07:04.119
and Jimmy. Yeah, yeah,
for sure, but you could call foreshadowing.

1019
01:07:04.159 --> 01:07:08.039
I guess it's like poetry arrives the
only skilled him here. He didn't

1020
01:07:08.079 --> 01:07:12.960
come there, but we get a
knockout to keep Clark's secret because because Davis

1021
01:07:13.039 --> 01:07:15.119
is like he's crushing He's about to
crush his eyes and his skull and kill

1022
01:07:15.199 --> 01:07:20.880
him right, and Oliver has to
talk him down, and he talks about

1023
01:07:21.000 --> 01:07:24.280
killing Jimmy because he's like, look, Chloe and Liver forgive you for this,

1024
01:07:24.400 --> 01:07:27.039
and Davis stops, like, you're
right, you mean too much to

1025
01:07:27.159 --> 01:07:30.719
Jimmy, so that means I have
to kill you, which is funny because

1026
01:07:30.719 --> 01:07:36.760
he's got both Chloe's ex and future
husband here. It's pretty funny, right,

1027
01:07:36.880 --> 01:07:42.840
all the men that love Chloe.
That's true. Clark shows up later

1028
01:07:42.920 --> 01:07:48.039
too, so literally everyone so in
Smallville the official magazine number thirty three,

1029
01:07:48.079 --> 01:07:54.840
available wherever magazines are sold. Sam
Witward talks about this scene with Justin Hartley

1030
01:07:54.880 --> 01:07:59.800
and also how they knew each other
before Smallville. Quote, it was an

1031
01:08:00.119 --> 01:08:02.360
or to choke that man out.
It's always fun to work with him,

1032
01:08:02.400 --> 01:08:06.039
and even better to render him unconscious. Justin is a really fun guy.

1033
01:08:06.519 --> 01:08:10.239
I didn't get to work with him
that much, but the entire last two

1034
01:08:10.239 --> 01:08:14.000
episodes I filmed with Justin, we
were just laughing the whole time. He's

1035
01:08:14.000 --> 01:08:18.239
a really cool guy. Meet Justin
and Cassidy are all from Chicago, so

1036
01:08:18.439 --> 01:08:24.640
the three new regular kids on the
set had that connection. That's cool.

1037
01:08:24.920 --> 01:08:29.680
But this is a knockout to keep
Clark's secret because Jimmy gets knocked out so

1038
01:08:29.800 --> 01:08:31.119
Clark can show up and do some
super things. They can talk without him

1039
01:08:31.239 --> 01:08:38.319
knowing a secret. And this is
Davis choking Oliver out. And he says

1040
01:08:38.359 --> 01:08:42.279
his line, sometimes the monster really
does get the girl. So again,

1041
01:08:42.359 --> 01:08:45.199
I guess Beast is an appropriate title. Beauty and the Beast. There you

1042
01:08:45.239 --> 01:08:51.239
go. Yeah, Clark's superspeed's in
and unlike earlier today when he was here,

1043
01:08:51.840 --> 01:08:56.800
he uses his superhering and here's what's
going on, Oliver being killed,

1044
01:08:56.840 --> 01:08:59.199
and Oliver's trying to, like,
you know, talk Davis down, right,

1045
01:08:59.359 --> 01:09:02.439
but Clark is super piss when he
breaks down. There isn't each other.

1046
01:09:03.880 --> 01:09:09.079
Yes they can't. They can't see
my eyes right now, but yeah,

1047
01:09:11.000 --> 01:09:13.000
David's like, what you do to
me? Clark? Right? And

1048
01:09:13.600 --> 01:09:16.800
I think this is an interesting uh
shot here that echoes again talking about for

1049
01:09:16.880 --> 01:09:23.439
shadowing echoing the season finale where Clark
kind of grabs Davis and super speeds off

1050
01:09:23.479 --> 01:09:26.119
with him. Like the way it's
composed and the way Clark looks, it

1051
01:09:26.239 --> 01:09:29.399
looks just like he does the super
leap in the season finale with Doomsday at

1052
01:09:29.439 --> 01:09:33.359
the end of Yeah, he does. So they speed off, and remember

1053
01:09:33.399 --> 01:09:40.000
that Clark is speeding off with Davis
like they're using super speed to go up

1054
01:09:40.039 --> 01:09:43.479
to the Fortress of Solitude. All
right, so how long you thing?

1055
01:09:43.560 --> 01:09:47.680
That probably takes them like a minute
or less or like, okay, cool,

1056
01:09:47.800 --> 01:09:54.800
So let's just let's remember that continue
on with the episode. Yeah,

1057
01:09:55.439 --> 01:10:00.319
totally, because a lot of time
passes between the time of all this and

1058
01:10:00.439 --> 01:10:02.680
we catch up with them, right, So obviously Clark has saved Oliver and

1059
01:10:02.800 --> 01:10:08.680
Jimmy from the situation and this is
some This is some well chosen stock footage.

1060
01:10:08.680 --> 01:10:10.840
I don't know if it was intentional
or not. I gotta think it

1061
01:10:10.960 --> 01:10:14.000
is. Obviously it's stock footage of
the exterior of the talent, right,

1062
01:10:14.439 --> 01:10:17.600
and it says a monster on the
marquee right, probably like monster cappuccino or

1063
01:10:17.640 --> 01:10:19.960
whatever. Right, But because of
Davis and all that, I think that

1064
01:10:20.079 --> 01:10:24.079
was a really cool I don't know, like we'll never know because probably some

1065
01:10:24.199 --> 01:10:27.640
intern was tasked with pulling that stock
footage out. But did you catch that

1066
01:10:27.720 --> 01:10:31.039
tire um? No? I do
not. There you go. But it

1067
01:10:31.079 --> 01:10:34.680
wasn't like The Beast like that.
You know that that that movie from goes

1068
01:10:34.720 --> 01:10:39.119
on TV. Oh, dude,
I love The Beast. Had Peter Benchley's

1069
01:10:39.119 --> 01:10:43.880
The Beast. Yes, then Peterson
William Peterson right before he was famous from

1070
01:10:43.960 --> 01:10:47.159
CSI yep, I remember because I
was so excited watching on Two Nights Dude.

1071
01:10:47.199 --> 01:10:50.319
I recorded those on TV. I
still have those on VHS. I

1072
01:10:50.640 --> 01:10:54.439
like Giant Squid, Like I like
Giant Squid more than sharks. So like

1073
01:10:54.520 --> 01:10:58.239
that's like, oh man, now
arkatoth is ducks? Yeah? Man,

1074
01:10:59.439 --> 01:11:01.039
that actor play that Crazy Scientists.
He shows up in all kinds of crazy

1075
01:11:01.039 --> 01:11:04.560
sci fi stuff. He's in Voyager, He's in Heroes, Yeah he was.

1076
01:11:05.520 --> 01:11:10.960
He's the guy that created the two
uh Tracy's and Ali Larger's character and

1077
01:11:10.960 --> 01:11:14.359
all that. Anyway, I love
the Beast. I'm so glad you brought

1078
01:11:14.399 --> 01:11:17.359
that up. Thank you for unlocking
that that memory. I should rewatch it

1079
01:11:17.399 --> 01:11:19.439
some day. It's not gonna hold
up as well as Jaws, I guarantee

1080
01:11:19.439 --> 01:11:21.720
you. But Peter Brigally wrote it
so the same. He just wrote like,

1081
01:11:21.800 --> 01:11:24.800
oh, you want another one of
these? Instead of a shark,

1082
01:11:25.000 --> 01:11:28.720
We'll do a giant squid. So
the kid I was like, wait,

1083
01:11:28.760 --> 01:11:32.279
Peter eventually didn't he write Jaws man. Now he wrote another one called Creature.

1084
01:11:32.680 --> 01:11:35.560
Craig T. Nelson from Coach was
the star of this TV movie and

1085
01:11:35.640 --> 01:11:38.439
I saw it once, but I
didn't really care about it, so I

1086
01:11:38.560 --> 01:11:41.479
never liked revisitedn't remember it. But
it was like some kind of hybrid shark

1087
01:11:41.600 --> 01:11:44.079
with legs or something. So it's
OK, I'm gonna look that up.

1088
01:11:44.319 --> 01:11:47.000
Yeah, looked looked it up later. But yeah, if he if you

1089
01:11:47.079 --> 01:11:50.760
guys like Jaws, check out the
Beast, you might. I mean it's

1090
01:11:50.920 --> 01:11:54.079
the Beasts, So yeah, you
might like it. You might like it

1091
01:11:55.039 --> 01:11:59.279
again. Thank you for unlocking that. Remember it was so good. I

1092
01:11:59.359 --> 01:12:00.960
had a thought about this though,
thinking about the Marquis and the coffee shop

1093
01:12:01.039 --> 01:12:04.880
sign, right, because I thought, oh, did a Marquis say that

1094
01:12:04.960 --> 01:12:08.000
earlier? Right? This this is
how my this is how this thought came

1095
01:12:08.039 --> 01:12:10.039
to me. I was like,
did it say that earlier? I don't

1096
01:12:10.079 --> 01:12:12.920
know. I'm not gonna rewind.
And look, wait a minute, are

1097
01:12:12.960 --> 01:12:16.199
they changing the Marquis? Wait a
minute, is the Talent still open?

1098
01:12:19.439 --> 01:12:26.439
And if so, surely someone would
have found Davis in the basement by now?

1099
01:12:26.600 --> 01:12:30.880
Right? Is it just an apartment
like because whenever we see it,

1100
01:12:30.359 --> 01:12:33.760
right, it's just Chloe there like
herself. I don't think it's open anymore.

1101
01:12:33.760 --> 01:12:36.920
I don't think if anyone's running the
talent because it was it was run

1102
01:12:38.039 --> 01:12:42.199
by Lana, that was her life, and then Luther Lex bought into it

1103
01:12:42.359 --> 01:12:46.359
and then that all went, you
know, everywhere, there's like you said,

1104
01:12:46.399 --> 01:12:50.880
if someone was who was working as
a business. Yeah, I don't

1105
01:12:50.920 --> 01:12:56.640
think the talent's open. That's a
whole subplot that could have, Like Davis

1106
01:12:56.800 --> 01:13:01.039
is like killing the the workers that
I'm gonna take the trash down to the

1107
01:13:01.079 --> 01:13:06.079
basement. No, No, go
in the basement. It's it's that Goosebumps

1108
01:13:06.119 --> 01:13:11.000
title, Don't go in the Basement. It was a whole separate episode they

1109
01:13:11.039 --> 01:13:15.279
just deleted. Oh man, that
would have been some drama anyway. That's

1110
01:13:15.359 --> 01:13:16.239
why I thought about that. I'm
like, oh, if someone has changed

1111
01:13:16.239 --> 01:13:18.960
in the Marquee, that means the
coffee shop is open. Wait a minute,

1112
01:13:19.119 --> 01:13:21.560
when was the last time we've seen
someone not a main character there?

1113
01:13:21.880 --> 01:13:25.600
Right? I don't, I agree, I don't. I don't think it's

1114
01:13:25.600 --> 01:13:32.159
open anymore. So I guess the
whole shut it down category. We'll see

1115
01:13:32.159 --> 01:13:39.479
if it gets mentioned again in any
capacity. But anyway, Chloe shows up

1116
01:13:40.520 --> 01:13:45.520
and Oliver's people are there, Doctor
Hamilton is there. I guess doctor Hamilton

1117
01:13:45.640 --> 01:13:51.560
told Oliver anyway, or I'm not
sure exactly what something is. Something was

1118
01:13:51.640 --> 01:13:56.239
communicated where Oliver's people are cleaning up
the mess before the cops get there.

1119
01:13:56.279 --> 01:14:06.000
Right, and wow, Tyler the
dialogue here, okay, good, I

1120
01:14:06.039 --> 01:14:10.399
can already tell you're picking up when
I'm putting down. Right. I thought

1121
01:14:10.399 --> 01:14:13.399
about calling the polife, but I
thought i'd give you a chance to explain

1122
01:14:13.520 --> 01:14:17.359
first to Chloe. Right, And
I'm like, oh, that's strike one

1123
01:14:18.199 --> 01:14:23.000
for the Alison mackawkward dialogue competition.
Real going on here? Yeah, and

1124
01:14:23.119 --> 01:14:26.000
then like, oh, I shouldn't
have left him alone. This is all

1125
01:14:26.039 --> 01:14:28.600
my fault, right, he needed
me, and I like, I like,

1126
01:14:28.680 --> 01:14:30.199
how pissed off Oliver. He's like, well, he needed you,

1127
01:14:31.119 --> 01:14:33.960
all right, so the needs of
the cornfield killer outway the rest of the

1128
01:14:34.000 --> 01:14:36.239
world, right, Like, he's
pissed rightfully, So he got that.

1129
01:14:38.079 --> 01:14:42.239
And then your notes too, right. I love his ad Chloe. I

1130
01:14:42.359 --> 01:14:45.680
had it under control, Oliver.
Okay, that's strike two. Strike three,

1131
01:14:45.720 --> 01:14:48.279
Oliver, When did you become one
of the bad guys? All right?

1132
01:14:48.920 --> 01:14:53.640
Yikes? Like, look, I
don't bring this off that off,

1133
01:14:53.680 --> 01:14:56.119
And I feel like I have been
more in season eight because closing all these

1134
01:14:56.199 --> 01:15:00.319
questionable things. But it's like,
damn rewatching this s nexium. You take

1135
01:15:00.399 --> 01:15:04.600
these lines out of context. It's
it's crazy. I thought I had everything

1136
01:15:04.680 --> 01:15:13.960
under control. Sure you did.
Anyway, you cannot let those dialogue.

1137
01:15:14.640 --> 01:15:18.920
You cannot let those lines pass without
mentioning the awkwardness seeing them in an exchange

1138
01:15:19.119 --> 01:15:21.920
with Alison Mack. I think it's
unfortunate, but there it is, right.

1139
01:15:23.319 --> 01:15:25.880
But Oliver has faith that Clark is
going to finish the job. He's

1140
01:15:25.920 --> 01:15:28.239
like, well, it's in Clark's
hands now, right, it's Oliver.

1141
01:15:28.279 --> 01:15:30.840
This is one you shouldn't have said
that because since you said that, Chloe

1142
01:15:30.960 --> 01:15:34.079
knows. Chloe had known about Clark's
plan right to send Davis to the Phantom

1143
01:15:34.119 --> 01:15:39.239
zone. So this clues her in. But but look at look at how

1144
01:15:39.359 --> 01:15:41.640
she reacts, and she's like,
oh no, Clark, what's he gonna

1145
01:15:41.680 --> 01:15:43.680
do? He said, well,
he took Davis, so he's gonna finish

1146
01:15:43.720 --> 01:15:45.479
the job. And she's so upset
by this, right, like more more

1147
01:15:45.560 --> 01:15:48.079
so than anything else. And by
the way, we skipped over, I

1148
01:15:48.119 --> 01:15:53.600
haven't talking about this, this awkward
dialogue from Chloe. Here. Jimmy's there

1149
01:15:53.800 --> 01:15:58.359
and they're willing him out on a
guard stretcher. Yeah, hospital is a

1150
01:15:58.399 --> 01:16:00.760
plus one. I guess we're taking
them hospital, right, Yeah, we're

1151
01:16:00.800 --> 01:16:02.960
taking him there. He's ambulance.
We'll cut it, we'll count it,

1152
01:16:03.079 --> 01:16:06.039
we'll count it. But she's like, oh my god, Jimmy, I'm

1153
01:16:06.039 --> 01:16:09.640
so sorry. She touches his arm. He has no reaction at all because

1154
01:16:09.680 --> 01:16:13.439
he's like, you're dead to me, right, which I agree with,

1155
01:16:13.720 --> 01:16:16.119
Like, if i'm him, I'm
like, I'm so justified. The frendicated.

1156
01:16:16.600 --> 01:16:24.159
Yes, um, the person that
put Jimmy in the hospital, that's

1157
01:16:24.600 --> 01:16:28.680
taken, as Jimmy said, we
were taking everything from him is the one

1158
01:16:28.800 --> 01:16:33.239
Chloe's trying to protect. Yeah,
and all he has to say is Chloe,

1159
01:16:33.279 --> 01:16:38.399
just stay away from that monster.
I wouldn't even said that. I

1160
01:16:38.479 --> 01:16:40.760
just would have been like, you
picked your own fate. Yeah. No,

1161
01:16:40.840 --> 01:16:42.880
I think he kind of took the
high road, right because he thought,

1162
01:16:43.560 --> 01:16:45.920
like everybody like, oh, you
must be like manipulating her mind,

1163
01:16:45.399 --> 01:16:48.840
and it's like, no, she's
just choosing this of her own accord.

1164
01:16:50.680 --> 01:16:57.800
But because Oliver clue Kloe and what
Clark was doing with Davis, we get

1165
01:16:58.680 --> 01:17:05.039
the resolution of this episode out.
Remember Clark's super sped away with Davis,

1166
01:17:05.159 --> 01:17:10.000
Like I don't know how many hours
ago this was, Tyler, Because by

1167
01:17:10.039 --> 01:17:14.399
the time Chloe gets to the talent, like Jimmy's being being carted off,

1168
01:17:15.760 --> 01:17:19.640
Oliver's doing his thing. You know, people are there, time has passed.

1169
01:17:20.239 --> 01:17:24.560
But he should be the fortress.
But that should have happened already,

1170
01:17:24.640 --> 01:17:31.479
right, I mean the amount of
time that even if yeah, I'm not

1171
01:17:31.479 --> 01:17:35.199
even gonna try, like all the
stuff that they go through that should have

1172
01:17:35.239 --> 01:17:40.239
all been done, like Chloe coming
out to the Talent should have been after

1173
01:17:40.399 --> 01:17:45.199
they left the fortress or something,
just with how time compression works and how

1174
01:17:45.359 --> 01:17:48.239
fast Clark can move, and there's
not even that. There's a whole another

1175
01:17:48.279 --> 01:17:50.840
component about what Chloe does after this. But we'll get there. We'll get

1176
01:17:50.880 --> 01:17:57.920
there shortly, right, But we're
we're up at the fortress and Clark is

1177
01:17:57.960 --> 01:18:00.920
still kind of being nicier. He's
like, oh, this is this is

1178
01:18:00.439 --> 01:18:05.399
the last remnants of our planet,
because he's still thinking like Hymn Davis or

1179
01:18:05.680 --> 01:18:11.399
you know, Davis Kryptonian. I
guess that's technically he is, but he's

1180
01:18:11.399 --> 01:18:15.359
a Kryptonian science experiment. Yeah,
they act like he's just another person,

1181
01:18:15.520 --> 01:18:18.119
right, But this is where he
makes the hard cell. On the Phantom

1182
01:18:18.199 --> 01:18:20.720
Zone. He's like, I'm going
to send you to a place where you

1183
01:18:20.760 --> 01:18:26.000
won't have to hide who you are
any longer, which is true, true,

1184
01:18:26.640 --> 01:18:30.119
true. I mean the phantoms that
we've seen the Phantom Zone, it's

1185
01:18:30.159 --> 01:18:32.520
full of people who are fighters,
killers, and monsters, and that's what

1186
01:18:32.720 --> 01:18:35.880
Davis is. But man, that's
a that's a real bat and switch on

1187
01:18:35.960 --> 01:18:40.840
Clark's part. I mean it is, but at the same time it works

1188
01:18:41.000 --> 01:18:45.680
like he's like world without Choe,
like I don't think so right, and

1189
01:18:45.920 --> 01:18:48.960
Clark's like, look, man,
she doesn't like you. She just believes

1190
01:18:49.000 --> 01:18:54.880
in second chances, which I don't
know. I don't even think the episode

1191
01:18:54.920 --> 01:18:59.119
knows honestly. But David tries to
pull the whole like because Clark was like,

1192
01:18:59.119 --> 01:19:00.239
we should have been brothers. A
couple of monsdodes ago and and they

1193
01:19:00.239 --> 01:19:04.119
showed us the picture of Sagthana mod
and trying to act like that wasn't was

1194
01:19:04.199 --> 01:19:08.760
Davis. That's horrible. That's horrible
where I kind of hate that. Again,

1195
01:19:09.199 --> 01:19:12.039
they thought the show was over alex
is dead, so they're like,

1196
01:19:12.039 --> 01:19:15.199
well, I guess we better Yeah, I guess you better changed. Yeah,

1197
01:19:15.319 --> 01:19:18.000
that's that was their thinking. We
gotta fix this, did you We

1198
01:19:18.119 --> 01:19:24.279
had where she chose to protect me
and uh, you know she does not

1199
01:19:24.399 --> 01:19:27.239
feel for you, and uh,
Davids, did you get the line where

1200
01:19:27.239 --> 01:19:30.840
says she makes me human? Oh? But it's true she does. She

1201
01:19:31.039 --> 01:19:34.600
literally does make him human. So
there there is some good truth dialogue here.

1202
01:19:35.239 --> 01:19:42.199
You know he's just being human?
No, there it is you win,

1203
01:19:43.520 --> 01:19:47.840
well played, sir, very good. Sam Webber started being human on

1204
01:19:47.920 --> 01:19:51.720
the Sci Fi Channel. Yeah,
people are like, what are they talking

1205
01:19:51.720 --> 01:19:56.319
about? Well, if you listen
to my interview with a close personal friend

1206
01:19:56.319 --> 01:20:00.359
of the podcast, Sam Webber earlier
this season, you would know that exactly.

1207
01:20:00.880 --> 01:20:02.840
So Davis is all like, you
do this your cryptotian brother, and

1208
01:20:02.880 --> 01:20:08.239
I like how they kind of like
on retcon the retcon Clark's like, I

1209
01:20:08.439 --> 01:20:15.199
was wrong, We're not brothers.
Yeah, it's like, okay, that

1210
01:20:15.319 --> 01:20:18.920
was stupid. Anyway, He's like, what good, Look you can't And

1211
01:20:20.159 --> 01:20:25.479
this is where this is where I
have the problem here, Like they want

1212
01:20:25.520 --> 01:20:29.479
to do this a little preview of
like, oh Clark versus Doomsday, Right,

1213
01:20:29.520 --> 01:20:31.479
So we have him getting mad and
the eyes turned red, and then

1214
01:20:31.520 --> 01:20:34.239
Clark's gonna he has the crystal from
season five. It's the blue crystal.

1215
01:20:34.279 --> 01:20:38.920
It's true, right, He's gonna
put into the constle. Davis super speeds

1216
01:20:38.960 --> 01:20:42.680
over to Clark and stops him.
And this is not how his powers have

1217
01:20:42.760 --> 01:20:47.279
worked up until this point. Tyler, Yeah, I was kind of thrown

1218
01:20:47.359 --> 01:20:51.479
off guard. I mean, it's
just been recently that they started giving Doomsday

1219
01:20:51.560 --> 01:20:57.039
like heat vision, in which I
also do not like. By the way,

1220
01:20:57.800 --> 01:21:01.359
um, since they've made him more
you know, a Kryptonian. So

1221
01:21:02.399 --> 01:21:06.760
you know he's had heat vision and
animation and in film. I don't think

1222
01:21:06.840 --> 01:21:12.640
he had heat vision in Krypton this
series. Um No, I don't believe

1223
01:21:12.720 --> 01:21:14.319
so, and I don't. I
don't like that. I don't want to

1224
01:21:14.319 --> 01:21:15.840
I don't want to have superspeed.
I don't want him to have he visioned

1225
01:21:15.880 --> 01:21:19.359
like he is indestructible. Like that's
enough, Like you know, he's an

1226
01:21:19.399 --> 01:21:21.720
indestructible destroyer. You can rip your
part. He doesn't need to have.

1227
01:21:23.079 --> 01:21:30.399
It's the beam weapons, it's the
slow power that's coming like um so yeah.

1228
01:21:30.520 --> 01:21:33.119
So I mean even if you look
at that, like just him having

1229
01:21:33.239 --> 01:21:43.359
his doomsday physical body, the superspeed
doesn't make sense at all because if we're

1230
01:21:43.399 --> 01:21:50.800
looking at it like he's a science
experiment experiment with Kryptonian soum. If he's

1231
01:21:50.840 --> 01:21:54.600
gonna have super if they're going to
be superspeed, it should be something maybe

1232
01:21:54.680 --> 01:21:59.439
when he's in full doomsday, but
he's not like full Kryptonian, you know,

1233
01:21:59.560 --> 01:22:01.479
as we later have the whole black
Kryptonite. But you'll get there.

1234
01:22:02.000 --> 01:22:06.199
So this is very weird. I'm
not a fan. It's just it's just

1235
01:22:06.279 --> 01:22:11.119
they forgot, like what his power
set was you know, I just I

1236
01:22:11.159 --> 01:22:14.640
didn't. I didn't like that Clark
throws a punch at Davis here, and

1237
01:22:14.760 --> 01:22:16.439
that's more punches than he throws a
doomsday during the final fight than the season

1238
01:22:16.479 --> 01:22:21.279
finale, isn't it. He gets
punched, he does, he does.

1239
01:22:21.960 --> 01:22:26.960
This is very reminiscent. I mean
to again reference back to season five and

1240
01:22:27.079 --> 01:22:30.760
Solitude where this blue crystal for show
stuff in Brainiac. This fight is kind

1241
01:22:30.800 --> 01:22:34.319
of reminiscent of the Brainiac Clark fight
in that episode. Again Brainiac having like

1242
01:22:34.560 --> 01:22:39.720
Supersteed and stuff, and I'm still
like, well, he's replicating protoning,

1243
01:22:39.800 --> 01:22:43.239
Like I'm more okay with Brainiac like
doing all that stuff. He's a machine.

1244
01:22:43.720 --> 01:22:47.239
Yeah, he's a machine that replicates
things. But I again brain Ac

1245
01:22:47.359 --> 01:22:53.279
superspeed heat vision, but in this
version that's what they did. Like,

1246
01:22:53.520 --> 01:22:56.359
what Davis is doing here is contradicting
what they had set up, and that's

1247
01:22:56.399 --> 01:22:59.439
what's annoying about it. Right,
So he's getting like, I don't know,

1248
01:22:59.560 --> 01:23:01.800
like we've seen him start to get
bony and gray for less things than

1249
01:23:01.920 --> 01:23:05.319
this, So I don't know.
I would have preferred it might have looked

1250
01:23:05.399 --> 01:23:10.760
weird, but maybe some kind of
like halfway transformation would have got like the

1251
01:23:10.840 --> 01:23:15.439
bones up here and appeared like I've
seen over his hand and like maybe gave

1252
01:23:15.520 --> 01:23:19.960
him like one hand like the Doomsday
and like some teeth and just where he's

1253
01:23:20.000 --> 01:23:24.680
like trying to hold back, but
at the same time he's you know,

1254
01:23:24.880 --> 01:23:29.560
changing, And that would have been
a much better if you want to foreshadow

1255
01:23:29.640 --> 01:23:34.079
the fight, that would have been
a much more intense look than somehow I

1256
01:23:34.199 --> 01:23:40.520
magically now how Superpowers Now? Speaking
again. In Small Veil They Fussier Magazine

1257
01:23:40.600 --> 01:23:44.680
number thirty three, Samwitard talks about
his Doomsday transformations and he says, quote,

1258
01:23:45.640 --> 01:23:47.760
You're going to love this, but
it required zero effort. It was

1259
01:23:47.840 --> 01:23:51.760
all done by the Digital Wiz kids. It was all special effects. The

1260
01:23:51.840 --> 01:23:55.760
only makeup that I had to put
on was them spring sweat on me.

1261
01:23:56.199 --> 01:23:59.399
I never had attitude with a makeup
artist, but being sprayed down every take

1262
01:23:59.680 --> 01:24:01.800
wasn't my favorite thing. When it
comes to the alternative, which was what

1263
01:24:01.960 --> 01:24:04.920
Dario had to go through in the
Doomsday Suit, I didn't have to deal

1264
01:24:04.960 --> 01:24:12.279
with anything. I had a very
easy job. Now, he mentions Dario,

1265
01:24:13.439 --> 01:24:17.560
who is the stunt devil, Dario
Delasio, who plays the Monster dooms

1266
01:24:17.640 --> 01:24:21.000
Day in the Suit, and there's
a whole article on that as well in

1267
01:24:21.079 --> 01:24:26.359
this magazine. We'll get to that
and the season finale Doomsday, we'll talk

1268
01:24:26.399 --> 01:24:30.159
about some of that, but because
obviously that's his most featured episode. So

1269
01:24:30.479 --> 01:24:34.640
yeah, I mean it's Davis with
some you know, red eyes and some

1270
01:24:35.439 --> 01:24:42.239
strength and they're just kind of grappling
there and he's like, if I go,

1271
01:24:42.359 --> 01:24:44.960
I'm taking you with me, like
he's gonna pull cart get into the

1272
01:24:44.960 --> 01:24:48.600
phantom zone as well, which is
kind of shows where he is. And

1273
01:24:49.239 --> 01:24:54.800
Chloe shows up and she opens up
her palm and she has the octagonal disc,

1274
01:24:55.640 --> 01:24:58.079
which shows us that's how she got
there. She must have gone to

1275
01:24:58.199 --> 01:25:00.439
the got gone to the book at
your book, got in the disc,

1276
01:25:00.920 --> 01:25:04.359
gone into the cave, put that
key in the slat of the cave,

1277
01:25:04.479 --> 01:25:08.720
and then in transport of the fortress. Right, that's presumably what she did,

1278
01:25:08.800 --> 01:25:12.399
right, Okay, I would take
forever. This is like seriously,

1279
01:25:12.479 --> 01:25:17.600
like we're talking no joke. Three
hours after Clark and David super sped up

1280
01:25:17.640 --> 01:25:20.720
to the fortress. So that breaks
the whole time, like we're at what

1281
01:25:20.960 --> 01:25:26.560
days, at what times the territory
again? Right with this is it isn't

1282
01:25:26.640 --> 01:25:28.800
nipicky for me to bring the stuff
up, Tyler, you tell me,

1283
01:25:29.079 --> 01:25:34.720
no, m you've established things and
how they work in the show, because

1284
01:25:34.840 --> 01:25:39.119
once you you're getting loose with these
rules, these thoughts and how things work,

1285
01:25:39.239 --> 01:25:45.600
that you're just you're trying to just
invent convenience. You want her there.

1286
01:25:46.199 --> 01:25:49.520
And that's why I said it would
have been more interesting if we had

1287
01:25:49.600 --> 01:25:54.039
had a phone call with Chloe driving
she was already like on our way back

1288
01:25:54.079 --> 01:25:58.159
to Smallville. She got a phone
call from like Oliver, and she learned

1289
01:25:58.159 --> 01:26:01.840
that Clark had taken Davis, and
she just zoomed straight to the caves that

1290
01:26:01.920 --> 01:26:05.840
I've been a little bit better,
Tommy still wouldn't work, but it'd been

1291
01:26:05.840 --> 01:26:10.880
a little more forgivable than like obviously
several hours and several steps that have to

1292
01:26:10.920 --> 01:26:13.479
take place for her to get where
she used to go, right if she

1293
01:26:13.560 --> 01:26:17.439
had already been in Smallville, and
just maybe like two blocks over would have

1294
01:26:17.560 --> 01:26:23.239
helped too. I'm about to pull
up right, yeah, right, And

1295
01:26:23.359 --> 01:26:27.560
then she finds Oliver and Jimmy just
chained up like that and they have the

1296
01:26:27.640 --> 01:26:30.159
same conversation. He could they didn't
have to do with the way they did.

1297
01:26:30.199 --> 01:26:32.720
It is our point, right,
right, you could have made it

1298
01:26:32.800 --> 01:26:36.920
more like that that you really have
that taking clocks of her like Clark sending

1299
01:26:38.039 --> 01:26:41.079
Davis. You know, so it
could have been her. She could have

1300
01:26:41.159 --> 01:26:45.600
been like as Clark leaves, she
comes in right, and then it still

1301
01:26:45.600 --> 01:26:48.079
would have been a slight suspension of
disbelief. But it's a way less of

1302
01:26:48.119 --> 01:26:53.680
a lift than all these things that
happened before we catch up with him later.

1303
01:26:53.720 --> 01:26:56.720
And you have characters are super speed, man, like, you gotta

1304
01:26:56.800 --> 01:26:59.239
keep that into account, right,
they could have done it, like it's

1305
01:26:59.319 --> 01:27:01.039
we're not asking impossible task. I
think thinking, you know, I think

1306
01:27:01.039 --> 01:27:04.600
if she was pulling up while while
all this was going down, right,

1307
01:27:05.479 --> 01:27:09.159
I mean, now it has been
great editing of like she pulled up,

1308
01:27:09.640 --> 01:27:13.039
she gottat of a car, she's
walking, and then we cut to them

1309
01:27:13.079 --> 01:27:17.039
in the base mate attention man the
building exactly right. Think, like you

1310
01:27:17.119 --> 01:27:20.520
know, like Christopher Nolan Man is
the master of like editing attention. I

1311
01:27:20.600 --> 01:27:24.079
think, like the Dark Knight,
all these things like escalating and the inner

1312
01:27:24.119 --> 01:27:26.279
cutting and all that stuff. Like
I'm not saying this has to me the

1313
01:27:26.359 --> 01:27:28.319
Dark Knight, but I'm saying,
like that's a good blueprint for like,

1314
01:27:29.159 --> 01:27:31.039
you know, everyone is converging on
this location. Is she gonna make it

1315
01:27:31.119 --> 01:27:33.119
in time? Is he gonna kill
him? You know? All He's like,

1316
01:27:33.199 --> 01:27:35.199
that's the thing, right, is
Dave was gonna kill Oliver Queen?

1317
01:27:35.720 --> 01:27:40.239
No? But then is Dave was
gonna kill Jimmy Olson? Of course not,

1318
01:27:40.399 --> 01:27:45.239
but then he does so who knows
well? But anyway, this is

1319
01:27:45.279 --> 01:27:48.000
the ultimate betraial of Clark. And
this is just like the way she tays

1320
01:27:48.079 --> 01:27:51.319
Jimmy in the back, her taking
the cristal out of the console. Here

1321
01:27:51.800 --> 01:27:58.119
ultimate betrail and hey, in the
good column of continuity, she was there

1322
01:27:58.159 --> 01:28:00.640
in the fortress when this happened in
season five. She saw how this works,

1323
01:28:00.720 --> 01:28:03.479
so that's how she knows how to
undo it. It's just them getting

1324
01:28:03.520 --> 01:28:08.880
here there with sloppy But man,
this is like Chloe, this is unforgivable.

1325
01:28:09.640 --> 01:28:15.279
Yeah, I mean, I really
feel like I'm looking forward to rewatching

1326
01:28:15.359 --> 01:28:19.640
season nine for this thread, seeing
them repair their relationship after this. Yeah,

1327
01:28:19.760 --> 01:28:24.159
like because usually when I watch,
it's like the excitement of low us

1328
01:28:24.239 --> 01:28:30.079
getting closer to knowing about Clark and
Zod's entrance and all the Candorians. But

1329
01:28:30.199 --> 01:28:34.079
I'm kind of interested in the rewatching
season nine to see how the Chloe thing

1330
01:28:34.159 --> 01:28:39.720
comes back around and how she gets
pulled back into their circle. Yeah,

1331
01:28:40.520 --> 01:28:43.760
I know there's tension because she wants
Clark to use the Legion Ring to go

1332
01:28:43.800 --> 01:28:46.520
back in time and save Jimmy.
But beyond that, I don't think they

1333
01:28:46.680 --> 01:28:48.960
I don't think they dwell too much
on this because usually when they get over

1334
01:28:49.039 --> 01:28:53.159
like a questionable season finale, they're
just like, yeah, we're not gonna

1335
01:28:54.239 --> 01:28:58.840
I gotta talk about the Tigues anymore. Yeah, we're not gonna talk about

1336
01:28:58.920 --> 01:29:05.359
Davis Bloom right, sameon. But
her spin here it's just the worst.

1337
01:29:06.239 --> 01:29:10.840
Clark's like accuses her of not trusting
him. She's like, trust you,

1338
01:29:11.359 --> 01:29:15.199
you didn't trust me to do and
then she's like, you would never forgive

1339
01:29:15.279 --> 01:29:19.920
yourself for giving up on him,
And that's her explanation for like stopping him

1340
01:29:19.920 --> 01:29:24.840
from sending Davis to the Phantom Zone. I call total bs on this.

1341
01:29:25.000 --> 01:29:29.039
Clark is so like shocked. I
understand why he doesn't, like you would.

1342
01:29:29.159 --> 01:29:30.960
I don't know, Like, obviously
he has super speed and superpowers,

1343
01:29:31.000 --> 01:29:33.039
and I guess he could have done
something, but like he's so shocked by

1344
01:29:33.119 --> 01:29:38.119
the betrayal. Here of his best
friend, Like I believe him just kind

1345
01:29:38.159 --> 01:29:42.640
of like standing there and not being
able to do anything. Right. I

1346
01:29:43.279 --> 01:29:49.319
agree, he is hurt, and
I mean you can look at Chloe being

1347
01:29:49.359 --> 01:29:58.359
the person he's trusted more than anybody, and there you have it, like

1348
01:29:58.560 --> 01:30:03.479
she just completely show everything in this
phase. And now, Tyler, is

1349
01:30:03.560 --> 01:30:09.760
this the first time we see someone
use the octagonal disk to do the reverse

1350
01:30:09.920 --> 01:30:14.079
teleportation from the fortress, because it's
something we've always talked about. We're like,

1351
01:30:14.119 --> 01:30:16.319
Okay, you put the key in
the slot right and the cave and

1352
01:30:16.439 --> 01:30:19.520
then you show up in the fortress. Are you holding on into the key?

1353
01:30:19.640 --> 01:30:23.000
Does the key go with you?
Where? Obviously the key goes with

1354
01:30:23.039 --> 01:30:27.479
you because we eat here, like
I don't remember, because but think about

1355
01:30:27.600 --> 01:30:31.319
arrival, right, Chloe's there,
Clark super speeds her back. Well that

1356
01:30:31.399 --> 01:30:34.359
I guess arrivals a little different because
he didn't. You didn't use the disk.

1357
01:30:34.920 --> 01:30:40.800
It was the actual he grabbed the
crystal that teleported him. That's a

1358
01:30:40.840 --> 01:30:43.960
little different because I just think of
him super speeding back from the fortress.

1359
01:30:44.479 --> 01:30:46.640
It's interesting because it would only be
logical for it to work both ways,

1360
01:30:46.760 --> 01:30:49.720
right, right, But this is
the first time we ever see. It's

1361
01:30:49.720 --> 01:30:54.199
actually nice little directorial thing like they
like Dolly. The camera passed the pillar,

1362
01:30:54.640 --> 01:30:56.760
you know, and the fortress,
and then they there's a big flashlight

1363
01:30:56.840 --> 01:31:00.840
and Chloe and Davis are gone.
But this is Could this be the only

1364
01:31:00.880 --> 01:31:04.680
time we see this? It very
well? Maybe I'm gonna keep my eyes

1365
01:31:04.720 --> 01:31:08.960
out for it. We'll keep an
eyelands. I if I had to call

1366
01:31:08.960 --> 01:31:10.840
it, I would probably say it's
the only time to do it, because

1367
01:31:10.880 --> 01:31:13.560
that's the But but then Clark,
I mean, he knows where that takes

1368
01:31:13.640 --> 01:31:15.760
them, like he could super speed
back to the cave. But again,

1369
01:31:15.800 --> 01:31:18.880
I think he's just so shocked by
everything, you know. He yeah,

1370
01:31:19.079 --> 01:31:24.000
I mean he's shocked and hurt.
And he said it's the ultimate betrayal.

1371
01:31:24.279 --> 01:31:30.079
Yeah, he's frozen in his footsteps. It is. But then we get

1372
01:31:30.159 --> 01:31:38.159
to Jimmy at Oliver's office and Oliver's
looking something on his laptop. I don't

1373
01:31:38.199 --> 01:31:41.479
know what it is. Are we
to assume it's something about Jimmy slash Henry

1374
01:31:41.560 --> 01:31:44.840
James Olsen because he's kind of like
smiling, And then he has a line

1375
01:31:44.840 --> 01:31:47.279
about, uh, there's a little
more than what he puts on his resume.

1376
01:31:47.840 --> 01:31:53.199
Yeah, aground check Now, is
this about him being rich and buying

1377
01:31:53.239 --> 01:31:58.399
the watchdower? I would suspect.
So they did have some you know,

1378
01:31:58.439 --> 01:32:00.960
we were joking about them not knowing
what they were doing with Jimmy and thinking

1379
01:32:00.000 --> 01:32:02.399
this was sending hip next season.
Maybe they were were Maybe this is all

1380
01:32:02.439 --> 01:32:06.720
just a giant red herring. But
that's what I took from it, Like

1381
01:32:06.800 --> 01:32:10.760
they did a little research there,
because we haven't shut that laptop post one,

1382
01:32:10.840 --> 01:32:15.640
because Oliver shuts that laptop on him, just not likes his laptop.

1383
01:32:15.720 --> 01:32:19.399
Now it's all the laptops, so
it is it is likes his laptop because

1384
01:32:19.399 --> 01:32:24.439
it's luthercor property. Not that I
even counts weak out all the lap thoughts.

1385
01:32:24.479 --> 01:32:30.520
But get's a good call there.
But but they get beat. They

1386
01:32:30.560 --> 01:32:33.680
say beast again, right, they
both say beast, and Oliver's he's again

1387
01:32:33.760 --> 01:32:36.199
harping on this this addiction thing.
He's like, you know, maybe he's

1388
01:32:36.239 --> 01:32:39.159
not the beast out there, and
you needn worry about the beast in here.

1389
01:32:39.239 --> 01:32:42.199
And that's it's a good line,
right, because he's talking about the

1390
01:32:42.399 --> 01:32:47.840
addiction that Jimmy's dealing with. So
I guess, of course Jimmy wants to

1391
01:32:47.880 --> 01:32:49.359
know like, what's the deal with
the beast? And I was like,

1392
01:32:49.399 --> 01:32:51.920
I got people on it, like
people on it who are but you know,

1393
01:32:51.960 --> 01:32:54.800
he's a billionaire. He doesn't know
he's Green Arrow, but he knows

1394
01:32:54.840 --> 01:32:57.359
he's a billionaire, and he has
resources out there looking for Chloe and stuff.

1395
01:32:57.760 --> 01:33:00.640
Um. But then Oliver gives him
six hundred dollars and it's a paycheck.

1396
01:33:00.680 --> 01:33:01.560
What do you think of this whole
thing? We talked about it briefly

1397
01:33:01.600 --> 01:33:06.560
off the top, but what do
you think you're teller one? I mean,

1398
01:33:06.600 --> 01:33:10.840
it's not a horrible paycheck, but
is that for forty hours for a

1399
01:33:11.000 --> 01:33:14.159
day and for two days? How
much work? It's just an avant,

1400
01:33:14.399 --> 01:33:15.680
like you know what I'm saying,
like, here's to fix your cards.

1401
01:33:15.720 --> 01:33:19.319
Jimmy did have another line that maybe
laugh He's like, there are twelve steps

1402
01:33:19.359 --> 01:33:24.640
attached to it. I just want
to know what job is Jimmy getting exactly

1403
01:33:27.279 --> 01:33:30.880
assistant? You know, but well, basically he says like there's more to

1404
01:33:31.239 --> 01:33:33.640
you know, there's more to your
story than you write on your cover letter,

1405
01:33:34.439 --> 01:33:41.119
and something about basically like he was
a hero right in the moment there

1406
01:33:41.199 --> 01:33:44.159
that kind of inspired Oliver to kind
of see that there was more to him

1407
01:33:44.199 --> 01:33:49.039
that meets the eye, and you
know that that's kind of where they leave

1408
01:33:49.079 --> 01:33:50.600
it, right, So, and
I think you know it's the whole like

1409
01:33:50.680 --> 01:33:55.159
teach a man to fish dying with
Jimmy going on here, right, Yeah,

1410
01:33:55.760 --> 01:33:58.199
maybe Oliver it would have been cool
if he's the one someone he can

1411
01:33:58.239 --> 01:34:03.039
trust around him, like an assistant
or something like. I don't know,

1412
01:34:03.159 --> 01:34:06.039
it could have been interesting. We'll
never know. Yeah, it would have

1413
01:34:06.079 --> 01:34:09.640
been different for Jimmy Oilson. But
concerning what they end up doing with him

1414
01:34:09.680 --> 01:34:12.239
on the show, and considering the
kind of jobs that Lois lanehand over the

1415
01:34:12.319 --> 01:34:15.479
years, it's like, sure he
can do this for a while before he

1416
01:34:15.560 --> 01:34:18.680
goes back and works as a photographer
of the Daily Planet. Like but no,

1417
01:34:18.800 --> 01:34:21.600
Oliver gets some credit. He tells
him that he figured out Davis was

1418
01:34:21.720 --> 01:34:26.359
a killer right before everyone else did. He confronted him a few episodes ago

1419
01:34:26.399 --> 01:34:29.199
by himself and that took courage,
right, So that's kind of where he

1420
01:34:29.359 --> 01:34:31.239
isn't It's a good life advice,
right because Jimmy's like, look, my

1421
01:34:31.359 --> 01:34:35.119
life is just the worst right now. And Oliver says, if you don't

1422
01:34:35.159 --> 01:34:40.239
like it, change it. Simple
got you a job, Yeah, I

1423
01:34:40.319 --> 01:34:45.520
mean, I got you a job, you know, set up you mean,

1424
01:34:45.600 --> 01:34:48.640
you know, get your car fixed, and did you a place to

1425
01:34:48.720 --> 01:34:54.640
stay? Yeah, and again though, I still got the impression as we

1426
01:34:54.680 --> 01:34:57.039
talked about off the Top, I
got the impression this was setting up like

1427
01:34:57.960 --> 01:35:01.319
these guys for next season. I
that's the vibe I get from this scene.

1428
01:35:01.399 --> 01:35:03.920
Maybe maybe that's not the case,
maybe it wasn't Red Harry, maybe

1429
01:35:03.960 --> 01:35:06.079
it was unintentional, But that's the
vibe I got from this whole, Like,

1430
01:35:06.159 --> 01:35:10.159
Okay, Oliver's gonna help Jimmy get
his life back together. This is

1431
01:35:10.159 --> 01:35:13.840
gonna be an ongoing plot instead of
he's dead in two episodes. So yeah,

1432
01:35:14.760 --> 01:35:19.079
that's what happens when you love with
the wrong woman. Marrying you was

1433
01:35:19.199 --> 01:35:26.319
the worst mistake in my life.
A blue shirt, red jacket plus one.

1434
01:35:26.399 --> 01:35:29.800
Unfortunately, Clark has hung up the
blue jacket wearing a red jacket.

1435
01:35:29.880 --> 01:35:33.039
Now he is an Isis and he's
going through the computers and looking for Chloe

1436
01:35:33.159 --> 01:35:41.279
and things, and Oliver shows up, and he's many. They choose Oliver

1437
01:35:41.439 --> 01:35:44.079
to just be so judgmentle to Clark. Sometimes he's like, oh, you're

1438
01:35:44.079 --> 01:35:45.000
wasting your time, Clark. But
I guess that's what you do best.

1439
01:35:45.039 --> 01:35:53.920
Huh. Oliver's he's I think it
comes from a point where he expects more

1440
01:35:54.000 --> 01:35:58.720
from Clark. He wants more from
Clark because he knows Clark can give more,

1441
01:35:59.439 --> 01:36:02.479
and also maybe a slight just a
little bit of jealousy because Oliver wish,

1442
01:36:02.560 --> 01:36:05.720
you know, he had some of
the ability to Clark had and he

1443
01:36:05.800 --> 01:36:10.159
could do more himself. No,
I agree with all that. It's I

1444
01:36:10.239 --> 01:36:13.640
always think of rage the Maricau episode
where he's like, I gotta worry about

1445
01:36:13.880 --> 01:36:17.840
stay alive and he crushes the class. It's you know, it's true,

1446
01:36:18.039 --> 01:36:21.760
there must be a certain level of
envy from him. He's green with envy

1447
01:36:21.760 --> 01:36:28.039
because he's the green raw looking at
that. But Clark is just Clark is

1448
01:36:28.079 --> 01:36:31.800
a denial about this. He cannot
believe Chloe would do this right, and

1449
01:36:31.880 --> 01:36:36.239
he's he's thinks like, oh,
maybe he's he's affecting reminds him how like

1450
01:36:36.279 --> 01:36:41.680
he's trying to justify because he can't
he can't reconcile what happened with the person

1451
01:36:41.760 --> 01:36:44.640
he knows. And I get it
right because this is way way out of

1452
01:36:44.720 --> 01:36:48.840
character right fore the Chloe we know, right, But Oliver again he uses

1453
01:36:48.840 --> 01:36:51.399
as a chance to kind of preach
to Clark. He's like, people change

1454
01:36:51.439 --> 01:36:56.720
Clark, maybe it's time he did
too. And then they clash about the

1455
01:36:57.039 --> 01:37:00.239
you know, killing or not killing, and you know it's about do with

1456
01:37:00.279 --> 01:37:03.399
the greater good. That's what heroes
do. And this is where and I

1457
01:37:03.840 --> 01:37:10.199
don't remember. Is it not until
the finale that Clark finds out that Oliver

1458
01:37:10.359 --> 01:37:15.600
kill Lex? Because I don't rewatch
the end of the season eat very often.

1459
01:37:15.600 --> 01:37:18.119
I was expecting you here, Honestly, I was expecting Oliver to say,

1460
01:37:18.319 --> 01:37:20.399
you know what, I kill Lex
for the greater good and you should

1461
01:37:20.399 --> 01:37:23.560
call doomsay, right, this would
have been a good opportunity for him.

1462
01:37:23.600 --> 01:37:26.800
I think, Yeah, this is
what happens. I think it's what Pine

1463
01:37:26.840 --> 01:37:30.600
of pushes Clark in the out their
direction, not wanting to be killing.

1464
01:37:30.800 --> 01:37:35.159
Yeah, because he because that's what
because I know we get the line here,

1465
01:37:35.199 --> 01:37:38.560
because yeah, it is, because
we get the line later where he's

1466
01:37:38.600 --> 01:37:43.640
like, he's not one of us
anymore. Mmm, I do remember that

1467
01:37:43.840 --> 01:37:46.119
that's we're talking to the Justice League. Yeah, and then Doomsday. Okay,

1468
01:37:46.239 --> 01:37:48.279
that's right. I don't want I
don't still I don't want still know

1469
01:37:48.279 --> 01:37:51.359
who's under it yet it is right
in there. Okay, that must be

1470
01:37:51.439 --> 01:37:58.119
all in the in the finale there
so anyway, but then uh, Oliver

1471
01:37:58.239 --> 01:38:02.960
leaves and Clark looks over that high
school photo Clark and Chloe, and the

1472
01:38:03.079 --> 01:38:08.359
song comes back, the song from
the beginning of the episode. And I

1473
01:38:08.439 --> 01:38:13.640
did the small It rarely did this
with the whole, like book ending with

1474
01:38:13.720 --> 01:38:15.840
the same song, but it did
worked here. You know, it's well,

1475
01:38:15.920 --> 01:38:20.520
I mean, technically it worse because
the song at the beginning was kind

1476
01:38:20.560 --> 01:38:26.800
of the dream and this is the
reality. It'd be interesting if you can

1477
01:38:26.840 --> 01:38:32.560
find a song to kick off and
start with that you have the original like

1478
01:38:32.720 --> 01:38:36.520
play at the beginning, and then
like a cover at the end. Yeah,

1479
01:38:36.680 --> 01:38:40.479
you know what I'm saying, Like
so that you're kind of changing the

1480
01:38:40.640 --> 01:38:45.159
perspective of the song, like a
darker version or something, you know,

1481
01:38:45.359 --> 01:38:51.159
like m that might be too expensive
for especially at this point, But no,

1482
01:38:51.279 --> 01:38:55.960
I see your point. I like
the whole, like the romantic fantasy

1483
01:38:56.000 --> 01:39:00.640
and then like the harsh reality of
what's actually here happening at and Clark gets

1484
01:39:00.680 --> 01:39:03.520
a call from a blocks number.
Of course it's Chloe, and and of

1485
01:39:03.560 --> 01:39:06.680
course he answers it. I mean, yeah, all of us would just

1486
01:39:06.720 --> 01:39:11.039
be like voice. Now, that's
the difference between two thousand and nine and

1487
01:39:11.119 --> 01:39:13.600
today. It's like, nope,
I'm not answering. But they were like,

1488
01:39:13.680 --> 01:39:16.640
all sweet, someone's calling my cell
phone? Were shut up? A

1489
01:39:17.239 --> 01:39:25.479
marketing calls. I saw some I
saw some meme or message on Instagram or

1490
01:39:25.520 --> 01:39:30.640
something. It was. It's ironic
that the generation that grew up having fun

1491
01:39:30.680 --> 01:39:34.520
prank calling people was tormented every day. But tell the marketing phone calls,

1492
01:39:34.640 --> 01:39:40.800
like, that's so true, that's
us man. So but Chloe has this

1493
01:39:40.880 --> 01:39:44.399
line to Clark and she says,
quote, everything I've ever done, right

1494
01:39:44.560 --> 01:39:47.159
or wrong, I did for you, Like God, Chloe, like,

1495
01:39:48.640 --> 01:39:53.279
I don't buy your justification, her
justification, And I think this is what

1496
01:39:53.359 --> 01:39:58.600
we're supposed to believe. And tell
me around Like she is so convinced that

1497
01:39:59.279 --> 01:40:02.359
by staying with Dave, like like
staying and protecting and helping Davis deal with

1498
01:40:02.439 --> 01:40:06.439
this issue will save Clark. That's
why she's doing it. That's what they

1499
01:40:06.520 --> 01:40:12.359
want us to think, right,
Yeah, And my thing is she's so

1500
01:40:13.399 --> 01:40:19.199
worried about Davis killing Clark. I
mean that's what the opening was about.

1501
01:40:19.359 --> 01:40:25.119
That's her fear is Davis will kill
Clark. That she's trying to protect Clark,

1502
01:40:25.239 --> 01:40:29.439
and well, the Phantom Zone would
have done it. My thought,

1503
01:40:30.279 --> 01:40:32.760
once again, I think if you
had done something where it's kind of like

1504
01:40:32.840 --> 01:40:40.279
one of those she takes the crystal
or something from Clark and she's the one

1505
01:40:40.319 --> 01:40:43.680
that tries to send Davis to the
Phantom Zone, so she's taking the burden

1506
01:40:43.760 --> 01:40:46.000
off of Clark actually doing it.
You know, it would have been a

1507
01:40:46.119 --> 01:40:51.840
much more impactful thing, because this
is just kind of stupid, you know,

1508
01:40:53.039 --> 01:40:57.800
because she's saying, Clark, I'm
trying to protect you, and she

1509
01:40:58.079 --> 01:41:01.239
knows like she can't do this.
She knows that this isn't really protecting Clark,

1510
01:41:01.279 --> 01:41:04.640
it's just the laying inevitable. But
I can understand where she was trying

1511
01:41:04.640 --> 01:41:09.239
to keep Clark from actually being the
one responsible for sending him to the Phantom

1512
01:41:09.319 --> 01:41:12.720
Zone. So if it had been
something where she actually tried to send Davis

1513
01:41:12.720 --> 01:41:15.159
to the Phantom Zone and didn't work, would have, you know, made

1514
01:41:15.159 --> 01:41:19.279
it a little bit better. Or
she's like Clark, I know you're not

1515
01:41:19.279 --> 01:41:21.119
going to kill him and you're not
going to do this or that, So

1516
01:41:21.159 --> 01:41:24.319
I had to make their hard choice
and do this thing, right, Maybe

1517
01:41:24.359 --> 01:41:27.159
it backfired somehow and maybe Doomsday I
got out of the phantom zone. I

1518
01:41:27.199 --> 01:41:30.720
don't know, right, maybe you
do. Maybe that's like an episode a

1519
01:41:30.760 --> 01:41:33.000
few episodes ago where they send him
they think that the thread is over,

1520
01:41:33.119 --> 01:41:38.079
but then somehow Test uses that orb
and he comes out of it or right,

1521
01:41:38.199 --> 01:41:41.399
you know, and he's doing today. I don't know, something like

1522
01:41:41.880 --> 01:41:45.479
or you know, Chloe stole the
crystal because she was going to take it

1523
01:41:45.520 --> 01:41:46.800
because you didn't want Clark to do
it, but they never made it to

1524
01:41:46.880 --> 01:41:53.000
the fortress. Yeah, I just
they're just spitballing here. They're like five

1525
01:41:53.039 --> 01:41:55.720
of the ways they could have played
this out without having such a bad look

1526
01:41:55.800 --> 01:41:59.600
for her and and and for us
to believe, like even Clark's like,

1527
01:42:00.039 --> 01:42:01.239
it's okay for your feelings for him. She's like, oh no, no,

1528
01:42:01.479 --> 01:42:05.520
we're just friends. But because she
says, now I can save you.

1529
01:42:06.279 --> 01:42:10.239
Yeah, it's like, no matter
all the media rocks I've thrown over

1530
01:42:10.239 --> 01:42:12.399
the years, I've never really saved
you, but but now I can.

1531
01:42:12.560 --> 01:42:14.520
And it's like no, Clark's like, no, no, no, I

1532
01:42:14.560 --> 01:42:16.600
don't do this. I'm been a
much better line if she had said that

1533
01:42:17.079 --> 01:42:20.239
and then she took like the crystal
and shoved it and it opened the Phantom

1534
01:42:20.279 --> 01:42:26.880
Zone and she jumped in and Davis
followed her or something, you know what

1535
01:42:26.880 --> 01:42:29.640
I'm saying. And then the whole
thing is that was her sacrifice that Clark

1536
01:42:29.680 --> 01:42:31.359
has to decide that he's going to
go into the Phantom Zone to get closed

1537
01:42:31.399 --> 01:42:34.640
down. That is the season finale. But I guess she already did that

1538
01:42:34.720 --> 01:42:38.399
with him in the going of the
Phantom Zone. Man, come on,

1539
01:42:38.600 --> 01:42:42.039
like, you know how the show
works, That's right, It's like,

1540
01:42:42.239 --> 01:42:44.560
oh, they did it before.
They would never do something more than once

1541
01:42:44.640 --> 01:42:49.000
on this show three times. I
think, just spitballing here, We've already

1542
01:42:49.000 --> 01:42:56.159
come up with better just plot lions, because really, though, I think

1543
01:42:57.119 --> 01:43:00.560
this is the worst plot line in
the series. I'm not just talking about

1544
01:43:00.560 --> 01:43:04.960
your one off episodes. I'm talking
about continuous subplots that go on multiple episodes.

1545
01:43:05.119 --> 01:43:11.319
I think it's really Yeah, it's
worse than the lexon of pregnancy.

1546
01:43:11.560 --> 01:43:16.039
It's because that's another one that comes
to mind. I'm just this is just

1547
01:43:16.159 --> 01:43:20.840
such It destroys, It literally destroys
the character of Jimmy, and then it

1548
01:43:21.039 --> 01:43:25.439
like morally destroys the character of Chloy
And I just do not like it.

1549
01:43:25.960 --> 01:43:30.680
Yeah, I agree, it's like
it's weird. It's like it's like a

1550
01:43:30.760 --> 01:43:32.119
love triangle where no one is in
love with each other except for Davis,

1551
01:43:32.319 --> 01:43:36.199
right because you know the way that
they're talking on the phone and she has

1552
01:43:36.239 --> 01:43:41.560
to say goodbye and some heavy language
man and this uh and then and then

1553
01:43:41.600 --> 01:43:44.039
when she hangs up on him,
like like the anger, it's really cool,

1554
01:43:44.079 --> 01:43:46.560
Like he crushes the file cabinet right
there. I'm like, yeah,

1555
01:43:46.680 --> 01:43:50.319
that's some that's some raw emotion there
from from Clark, which we which we

1556
01:43:50.520 --> 01:43:55.640
rarely see. And then Davis comes
out of this convence story gives her a

1557
01:43:55.680 --> 01:43:59.079
heart lolling pop. Yeah, he's
all happy. He got he won,

1558
01:43:59.239 --> 01:44:02.119
he thought as she wanted. Yeah, and even like she like goes around

1559
01:44:02.159 --> 01:44:03.680
in the car, she's like,
ah, guy, you can tell that

1560
01:44:03.760 --> 01:44:09.680
she's like she's scared, worried,
freaked out. Yeah you think you mean,

1561
01:44:12.239 --> 01:44:14.439
but but I don't know what we're
just supposed to think. Like,

1562
01:44:14.600 --> 01:44:16.840
I just I don't buy the Chloe
had no other options and to do this,

1563
01:44:17.039 --> 01:44:20.000
and that's what the show has to
make you think in order to not

1564
01:44:20.079 --> 01:44:24.119
be like Chloe, you were the
worst. I just kind of feel like

1565
01:44:24.720 --> 01:44:28.800
if you were to take the phantom
zone part out of this episode and build

1566
01:44:28.840 --> 01:44:33.079
that to like the next episode or
something, because I don't remember exactly the

1567
01:44:33.159 --> 01:44:39.840
next episode. I remember the next
episodes because I feel like when you put

1568
01:44:39.960 --> 01:44:44.600
that in there, it makes the
any of this even less believable, Like

1569
01:44:44.720 --> 01:44:46.800
if she had just left with Davis, and like if she had done something

1570
01:44:46.920 --> 01:44:53.560
dastardated to like set up the Justice
League, or she trapped Clark but and

1571
01:44:53.640 --> 01:44:57.039
then tipped off all of her where
he was and I'll ever say Clark from

1572
01:44:57.039 --> 01:45:00.479
like a Kryptonite cage or something stupid
like that. Um, so she could

1573
01:45:00.520 --> 01:45:06.640
get away with Davis would be much
better than the whole not phantom zone thing.

1574
01:45:11.520 --> 01:45:15.319
Yeah, we're just oh, you
know what, I'm just disappointed,

1575
01:45:15.319 --> 01:45:18.640
just disappointed in you, Chloe.
I thought the more we break it down,

1576
01:45:18.720 --> 01:45:21.560
the more sadly can just the more
we're breaking down, the more like

1577
01:45:21.960 --> 01:45:28.800
logical, completely reasonable alternatives are coming
out. It is just disappointing. You

1578
01:45:28.920 --> 01:45:31.960
hate to see that because these are
characters we've liked and loved Chloe for eight

1579
01:45:32.079 --> 01:45:36.159
years on this show, seven and
a half, I guess, you know,

1580
01:45:36.880 --> 01:45:41.439
to this nonsense and just to see
her do to see her do these

1581
01:45:41.520 --> 01:45:44.560
things. Well, I mean,
in a sense, we're feeling like what

1582
01:45:44.680 --> 01:45:46.680
Clark's feeling like. We feel betrayed
because we're like Chloe, we were with

1583
01:45:46.840 --> 01:45:49.920
you, We've been there since the
beginning, as I even treat us,

1584
01:45:50.159 --> 01:45:53.840
treating our boy Clark like that.
Yeah, that's right, I tear you,

1585
01:45:54.000 --> 01:45:59.399
Chloe exactly. So there you go. The amazonide ends and Davis and

1586
01:45:59.520 --> 01:46:03.720
Chloe. I've off to live happily
ever after. We never see Chloe again,

1587
01:46:04.199 --> 01:46:10.600
No, I mean that'd be awesome. That's how it hinted mid mid

1588
01:46:10.720 --> 01:46:14.079
part of season nine. She just
shows back up and he's Doomsday now,

1589
01:46:14.319 --> 01:46:17.800
right, and she's running from Oh
dude, this again. We are just

1590
01:46:19.439 --> 01:46:25.520
completely coming up with better flows.
I mean, if you could have almost

1591
01:46:25.640 --> 01:46:28.439
ended, like built this up a
little bit more and made this your season

1592
01:46:28.520 --> 01:46:31.840
finale, if you know, for
really, if you have a real fight

1593
01:46:32.520 --> 01:46:38.079
between Clark and Doomsday and the fortress, and it's contained there in the fortress,

1594
01:46:38.520 --> 01:46:41.880
right, so you don't have to
worry about budgets and things, and

1595
01:46:42.039 --> 01:46:45.000
you just figure out something to do
with Lois because she's not in this episode,

1596
01:46:45.039 --> 01:46:47.840
figure out something to do with her. Oliver has set Jimmy on the

1597
01:46:47.920 --> 01:46:51.920
right path, and then you need
test to do something as well. So

1598
01:46:53.079 --> 01:46:57.399
there's a test lowest uplot you insert
into this episode. You have a real

1599
01:46:57.439 --> 01:46:59.840
doomsday fight. You cut out the
dream seat, look at up, look

1600
01:46:59.840 --> 01:47:04.640
at us man. Now, how
easy it is for us to sit here

1601
01:47:05.000 --> 01:47:10.279
twenty years later, right, with
no pressure, no deadlines on. This

1602
01:47:10.319 --> 01:47:13.520
episode has to come out tomorrow,
y'all get it together. Didn't have to

1603
01:47:13.560 --> 01:47:15.520
come with twenty one other stories,
right, we have the hindsight. We

1604
01:47:15.560 --> 01:47:20.000
don't have to worry about like like
studio interference or actors preferences or anything like

1605
01:47:20.079 --> 01:47:24.000
that. I understand how easy it
is for us sit here and do this,

1606
01:47:24.720 --> 01:47:28.359
But it's still fun. Yeah,
Oh I mean yeah, I mean

1607
01:47:29.520 --> 01:47:32.119
anytime I have like a reef pitch, sometimes it's so obvious you're like,

1608
01:47:32.119 --> 01:47:36.319
okay, you could have just done
this kind of like compressing and cutting out

1609
01:47:36.399 --> 01:47:40.640
that scene. Another times, yeah, we just have fun talking about it.

1610
01:47:43.560 --> 01:47:47.119
The Superman legend begins in a place
called Smallville. Do you ever feel

1611
01:47:47.159 --> 01:47:50.159
like your life was supposed to be
something different than the Secrets? I don't

1612
01:47:50.199 --> 01:47:56.439
want any record that I was here
against Clark Kent. What do you want

1613
01:47:56.560 --> 01:48:00.119
the world? Missus Kent? Destiny. Maybe time I stopped running from Who

1614
01:48:00.119 --> 01:48:04.159
I really am? Kent? Are
you hearing me? No? You can

1615
01:48:04.239 --> 01:48:14.840
own every Action pack episode plus never
before seen bonus features old season eight on

1616
01:48:14.960 --> 01:48:20.279
blumray and DVD. Beast got a
seven point nine out of ten on IMDb,

1617
01:48:20.840 --> 01:48:26.479
and Neil Billy from the Superman homepage
give it a one out of five.

1618
01:48:27.479 --> 01:48:30.920
Niche no surprise there, Niels.
We gets some pretty harsh scores,

1619
01:48:31.199 --> 01:48:36.239
and I understand. I understand where
he's come from this episode. But on

1620
01:48:36.359 --> 01:48:45.159
the letter Grave scale, Tyler,
what would you give Beast? I think

1621
01:48:45.199 --> 01:48:51.159
it's weird because everything he said about
if I just watched this episode, I

1622
01:48:51.239 --> 01:48:55.840
think it would give it higher.
But knowing where the rest of it goes,

1623
01:48:56.800 --> 01:49:02.119
I have to go to see.
Yeah, it's like it's like I

1624
01:49:02.239 --> 01:49:09.520
said, it's even though they're frustrating, Like there is enjoyable moments here,

1625
01:49:09.560 --> 01:49:15.079
like I enjoyed seeing Clark bust in
here and and go kick Davis's ass or

1626
01:49:15.119 --> 01:49:19.000
almost try to write, I enjoyed
Oliver's whole vibe this episode right now,

1627
01:49:19.119 --> 01:49:23.119
Chloe frustrating, no win, but
I agree, it was like there's a

1628
01:49:23.159 --> 01:49:27.119
lot of there's entertaining stuff. You're
still even though it's so frustrating sometimes.

1629
01:49:28.960 --> 01:49:34.720
So yeah, I go with a
c um and I think a part of

1630
01:49:34.760 --> 01:49:38.439
that all leads it to you.
Like we've said, I feel like they're

1631
01:49:38.439 --> 01:49:44.079
setting stuff up there, building for
something that never happens. Yeah. I

1632
01:49:45.239 --> 01:49:46.600
with the Jimmy and Oliver's stuff,
it's like, hey, this is our

1633
01:49:46.680 --> 01:49:51.199
new, our new thing where these
chartters are gonna go No with the Chloe's

1634
01:49:51.239 --> 01:49:56.399
bad decisions, You're just kind of
like wow, Like that would be really

1635
01:49:56.479 --> 01:50:00.159
like if this, like if this
was the finale in a sense, I'm

1636
01:50:00.159 --> 01:50:03.119
not dang okay, it's a little
bit stronger. Yeah, it could be

1637
01:50:03.239 --> 01:50:09.279
like if if if Smallville was like
if they understood they were gonna have like

1638
01:50:09.640 --> 01:50:13.039
five seasons, like it was no
question right, it was like they were

1639
01:50:13.079 --> 01:50:15.119
coming back and there's gonna be more
Like this could be like the fourth season

1640
01:50:15.199 --> 01:50:18.279
finale for example, you know what
I mean, Like you could not end

1641
01:50:18.720 --> 01:50:21.600
like in today's world. You could
probably if you if you, if you,

1642
01:50:23.640 --> 01:50:26.079
you know, punch up a lot
of this episode, you can kind

1643
01:50:26.119 --> 01:50:27.880
of end it in the spot like
that. Listen, I was act like

1644
01:50:27.920 --> 01:50:30.920
it's this season finally but still remember
there. You could act like it was

1645
01:50:30.279 --> 01:50:33.760
like a season finale, but then
knowing for sure you were coming back and

1646
01:50:33.840 --> 01:50:36.439
have these same actors and characters,
and then season like your fifth seasons like

1647
01:50:36.439 --> 01:50:39.479
the Doomsday Fight or so I think
you guys what I'm talking about, Like

1648
01:50:39.479 --> 01:50:44.199
in today's age, they could pull
this off. Not on the CW in

1649
01:50:44.359 --> 01:50:47.479
two thousand and nine. That's not
how i'll TV operated. But all that,

1650
01:50:47.560 --> 01:50:51.279
all that being said, man see
for you, I'm gonna have to

1651
01:50:51.319 --> 01:50:55.880
go see Midas for myself. So
yeah I can't. I can't because agree,

1652
01:50:56.039 --> 01:50:58.359
which is actually you know, for
as much as being tearing this episode

1653
01:50:58.439 --> 01:51:03.680
apart, I think we were pretty
generous our scores. I think I think

1654
01:51:03.760 --> 01:51:10.880
because you get a good performance from
Sam of just being like, you know

1655
01:51:10.920 --> 01:51:13.119
what I'm saying, and I like
him, and I like, do you

1656
01:51:13.239 --> 01:51:15.000
feel sorry for him a little bit? You know? Yeah? But then

1657
01:51:15.039 --> 01:51:18.399
you also start to see like,
no, Davis himself is not right.

1658
01:51:19.000 --> 01:51:26.199
Well even he's like together, right, it's like dude, chill, but

1659
01:51:26.359 --> 01:51:30.239
no Sam ever really holds this whole
thing together, and uh, it's frustrating

1660
01:51:30.319 --> 01:51:33.760
uses to watch it. There is
is compelling, at least from his side

1661
01:51:33.800 --> 01:51:38.439
of things. Yeah, you get
his side. It's just Chloe's side,

1662
01:51:38.600 --> 01:51:42.680
like what so, there you have
it right, Sea man is for you

1663
01:51:43.319 --> 01:51:46.279
see for me, let's go to
the teleport. We'll plus one for blue

1664
01:51:46.279 --> 01:51:50.159
shirt red jacket that brings us to
eighty eight. A plus one for episode

1665
01:51:50.199 --> 01:51:54.319
titles, set an episode several times
by the way, that brings us to

1666
01:51:54.439 --> 01:51:59.159
sixty nine. A plus one for
hospital visit because presumably Jimmy is being carted

1667
01:51:59.159 --> 01:52:01.319
off of the hospital he's in pretty
bad shape. That brings us to one

1668
01:52:01.439 --> 01:52:06.119
hundred and thirty three. The plus
one for knock out to keep Clark's secret

1669
01:52:06.119 --> 01:52:10.880
because Jimmy gets knocked out before Clark
superspeedes in and fights Davis a little bit

1670
01:52:10.880 --> 01:52:13.800
in the basement there. That brings
us to fifty three if I onally mad

1671
01:52:13.800 --> 01:52:18.119
about. Plus one for shut that
laptop because Oliver shuts his laptop when Jimmy

1672
01:52:18.239 --> 01:52:23.199
comes in to talk to him.
That brings us to thirty two. And

1673
01:52:23.359 --> 01:52:29.319
Betel tests fail because Chloe's really in
this episode. Come on, Chloe,

1674
01:52:30.319 --> 01:52:33.199
every everything she talks about, it's
like Davis, but there's no other females

1675
01:52:33.199 --> 01:52:42.319
in the episode. And there you
haven't that his beast, beauty and the

1676
01:52:42.359 --> 01:52:46.880
Beast. Did you watch that show
with Kristen kurik Um. No, I

1677
01:52:47.000 --> 01:52:51.000
did not either. I watched the
old one Ron Problem in Litle Hamilton.

1678
01:52:51.119 --> 01:52:56.279
Now, yeah, yeah, I
have. I have like a vague childhood

1679
01:52:56.279 --> 01:52:59.279
memory of that show existing. I
couldn't tell you. I couldn't tell you

1680
01:52:59.279 --> 01:53:01.119
it was about I just I remember
it all on television. It was pop

1681
01:53:01.199 --> 01:53:04.479
culture. We were kids. Yeah, Like I saw like magazine covers and

1682
01:53:04.520 --> 01:53:08.079
posters about it. So I love
lind the Hamilton. I mean, I

1683
01:53:08.119 --> 01:53:10.840
love the Terminator movies and all that. So I just remember him being an

1684
01:53:10.880 --> 01:53:13.880
underground in a cave and his name
was Vincent. My mom watched it and

1685
01:53:13.960 --> 01:53:18.159
that's all I remember. Line face
beast, That's that's cool. Practical makeup,

1686
01:53:18.399 --> 01:53:21.479
Ron Perlman, I mean, what
a key of practical makeup to an

1687
01:53:21.520 --> 01:53:27.439
actor who performs it is so straight
up? Got mad respect for Ron Perlman.

1688
01:53:27.920 --> 01:53:30.960
Yeah, because you know, just
shout out to Ron Perlman here.

1689
01:53:30.000 --> 01:53:33.239
Just I remember reading the thing about
um he had to make a wish for

1690
01:53:33.239 --> 01:53:38.039
a kid who wanted to meet Hellboy. He went to the whole process and

1691
01:53:38.159 --> 01:53:42.039
this is the whole after the movies. Yeah, yeah, there's not a

1692
01:53:42.079 --> 01:53:44.560
movie in production. He's not walking
there from the set. He just went

1693
01:53:44.680 --> 01:53:48.439
from scratch. Yeah, he went
and got the whole makeup done and went

1694
01:53:48.479 --> 01:53:53.479
and did this kids make a wish
and let's due no ro Ron Perlman,

1695
01:53:53.760 --> 01:53:55.840
hey talk about I mean, he
would have been probably too big of a

1696
01:53:55.960 --> 01:54:00.880
name, but Lobo on Smallville,
there's been choice. Ron Perlman, I

1697
01:54:00.920 --> 01:54:01.800
don't know what do you mean to
make of a name, because he has

1698
01:54:01.800 --> 01:54:04.600
one of those like character actors,
you know, he's kind of like a

1699
01:54:04.720 --> 01:54:11.319
Rutger Howard or a He's like that
one step above, like if you showed

1700
01:54:11.399 --> 01:54:15.039
up on TV, you wouldn't be
surprised, but he would. He'd be

1701
01:54:15.079 --> 01:54:17.079
a big get. I think he'd
be like like a Dolph lungern on Arrow.

1702
01:54:17.159 --> 01:54:21.560
It'd be like a Ron Promon on
small So that's that's my choice.

1703
01:54:21.600 --> 01:54:24.720
By the way, if they ever
had a Lobo on the show, the

1704
01:54:24.760 --> 01:54:29.319
episode would have of course been called
Lobo. Right. Hopefully, hopefully they

1705
01:54:29.359 --> 01:54:30.920
give him some stupid name. I
was thinking made Man, but that's two

1706
01:54:31.279 --> 01:54:36.600
two words. You can't do it. But but what is more nineties in

1707
01:54:36.640 --> 01:54:40.399
the character Lobo? And so I
feel like Ron Berman really could have done

1708
01:54:40.439 --> 01:54:45.319
a great job with him on small
because he was you know, obviously he'd

1709
01:54:45.319 --> 01:54:46.640
been older than everybody on the show, but not that much older. And

1710
01:54:46.760 --> 01:54:49.560
you know, in two thousand and
seven or whatever, and then they would

1711
01:54:49.560 --> 01:54:59.279
have brought him on soup. But
a tangent that was. But you know,

1712
01:54:59.399 --> 01:55:02.119
he was the uh you know,
Tom Hardy was the bad guy in

1713
01:55:02.199 --> 01:55:06.880
Star Trek Nemesis played Captain mccard's Clune
Shins on his right hand man, the

1714
01:55:08.079 --> 01:55:13.479
Reeman. They had Reeman played by
Ron Broman. Yep and crazy like vampire

1715
01:55:13.560 --> 01:55:17.000
makeup, by the way, I
might add, so anyway hashtag it's all

1716
01:55:17.039 --> 01:55:19.720
connected. But there you go.
Missed opportunities. Small Well should have gave

1717
01:55:19.720 --> 01:55:24.359
heron Proman a call. Maybe he
could have played dark Side in season ten.

1718
01:55:24.399 --> 01:55:29.239
But that's his own conversation. We'll
get there. We'll get there,

1719
01:55:29.319 --> 01:55:31.119
y'all, I think, oh man, that is our conversation on Beast and

1720
01:55:31.199 --> 01:55:34.760
Tyler. It is fun as always. If people want to find you out

1721
01:55:34.760 --> 01:55:39.000
there online, man, where can
they find you? Just find me on

1722
01:55:39.079 --> 01:55:43.640
Twitter, Facebook. I'm I have
an Instagram. I barely ever post it

1723
01:55:43.680 --> 01:55:47.000
is just stuff from Facebook, but
I'm highly active on Twitter. For the

1724
01:55:47.079 --> 01:55:51.319
Krypton Report podcast, we cover all
things DC, you know, with a

1725
01:55:51.640 --> 01:55:56.880
core strong Superman, you know,
belief system. That's that's where our heart

1726
01:55:57.039 --> 01:56:04.239
is. Alrighty, well we'll be
at next time talking about Injustice that's right,

1727
01:56:04.319 --> 01:56:08.800
the Injustice League. You remember who's
in the Injice League on small Ball

1728
01:56:08.880 --> 01:56:13.640
Tyler? Just off the top of
your head. No, see, I

1729
01:56:13.800 --> 01:56:18.119
remember that well now, because that's
where my mind goes, like he to

1730
01:56:18.239 --> 01:56:21.359
that scene that are you telling me
would do something more than once? Yeah?

1731
01:56:24.239 --> 01:56:33.560
No, Parasite oh and um plastic
plastic and um crap. No,

1732
01:56:33.760 --> 01:56:39.199
I can't remember live Wait wait Wire. Yeah I was. It was starting

1733
01:56:39.239 --> 01:56:40.359
to come to me. I was
like, wait, wait, wait,

1734
01:56:40.520 --> 01:56:43.239
and I'll tell you this from my
memory. There's a reason you don't remember

1735
01:56:44.119 --> 01:56:46.920
Live Wire or Parasite for that matter. And you know why I remember Plastic

1736
01:56:48.760 --> 01:56:53.960
Slash, Well, she was in
an earlier episode of The Iban. She

1737
01:56:54.239 --> 01:56:56.600
had an episode of Plastic right,
I mean she was a guest star on

1738
01:56:56.680 --> 01:56:59.439
the show. These other characters they
just come up at her nowhere for some

1739
01:56:59.520 --> 01:57:03.840
reason. Out a thief who was
in Prey, who was recruited does not

1740
01:57:03.960 --> 01:57:06.800
show up. I don't know why
he's not there. But the guy that

1741
01:57:06.880 --> 01:57:11.199
plays Parasite though that he's one of
those really good character actors you see pop

1742
01:57:11.279 --> 01:57:15.119
up in everything. He always puts
a good broken psychopath. We'll hold to

1743
01:57:15.159 --> 01:57:19.399
Supernatural season two. We'll do our
normal. I didn't even deep dive off

1744
01:57:19.479 --> 01:57:21.680
on them next time, but yeah, there you go. That that that

1745
01:57:21.800 --> 01:57:27.600
suit. To look forward to fighting
Clark Kent in the next episode, but

1746
01:57:27.840 --> 01:57:56.000
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