WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.520 --> 00:00:06.080 Meaning found in Christ ultimately exegutes, meaning that it explains our life, It 2 00:00:06.120 --> 00:00:09.039 gives our life meaning purpose, all of that it's bound up in that. 3 00:00:09.640 --> 00:00:14.320 In that word, that is the expression of the inexpressible. So we will 4 00:00:14.400 --> 00:00:20.559 never ultimately have totality knowledge of God. And the Eastern Fathers like san grag 5 00:00:20.640 --> 00:00:24.839 Nissa, they even speak of how we will forever be going up into God. 6 00:00:24.920 --> 00:00:27.920 We will forever be moving up into God, learning more and more. 7 00:00:28.719 --> 00:00:32.880 And that's great because that means that you'll never be satiated. You'll always want 8 00:00:32.920 --> 00:00:39.880 more, so as you're enjoying the experience of God in the process. Right, 9 00:00:40.520 --> 00:00:44.520 you're not going through process philosophy. That's never giving you truth. It's 10 00:00:44.600 --> 00:00:48.200 just moving from truth to truth to truth to truth more truth. Rational, 11 00:00:48.560 --> 00:00:53.719 sane, objective. Ordinary people commit acts of atrocity. You want to be 12 00:00:53.840 --> 00:00:59.960 connected to something that has a value and reality independent of your ego. Central 13 00:01:00.479 --> 00:01:03.439 replicate that in an experiment. You're missing the point. That's what meaning is. 14 00:01:23.560 --> 00:01:29.079 Hello everyone, welcome back. This is the Kyle Maxwell Podcast. I 15 00:01:29.120 --> 00:01:33.480 took a year off. I was doing lectures, I went back to school, 16 00:01:33.760 --> 00:01:38.359 and overall just had a break from doing the podcast due to other circumstances, 17 00:01:38.719 --> 00:01:42.519 but we are not back. And this is episode sixteen, season three 18 00:01:42.560 --> 00:01:48.560 of the Kyle Maxwell Podcast. And to kick off the season, I have 19 00:01:48.760 --> 00:01:53.920 on a phenomenal guest today by the name of Jay Dyer. Jay Dyer is 20 00:01:53.959 --> 00:02:00.000 an American author, philosopher with a degree in philosophy. He has a second 21 00:02:00.359 --> 00:02:06.439 called Jay's Analysis, where he dives into the various topics geopolitics, religion, 22 00:02:07.000 --> 00:02:12.599 philosophy, ideology, and the like. He also hosts the fourth hour on 23 00:02:12.680 --> 00:02:17.520 The Alex Jones Show every single Friday, If I Believe Yes, and he 24 00:02:17.560 --> 00:02:23.879 has debated likes as Nick Flan says, Matt Delahanty and others in the religious 25 00:02:23.879 --> 00:02:30.479 realm. And today we're going to discuss religion, We're going to discuss difference, 26 00:02:30.960 --> 00:02:37.759 cultural topics, ideology, and what Jay's overall hopes are as to as 27 00:02:37.800 --> 00:02:46.039 he influences the current cultural topics that were going on today. Jay, I'm 28 00:02:46.120 --> 00:02:49.520 really thankful that you're on the show today. Thanks man, glad to be 29 00:02:49.560 --> 00:02:53.039 here. Yeah, I appreciate you reaching out and very cool to have this 30 00:02:53.080 --> 00:02:57.680 conversation. So I'm always open to talk about philosophy anytime anybody wants to do 31 00:02:57.680 --> 00:03:00.360 it, because most people don't want to talk about philosophy. That they always 32 00:03:00.400 --> 00:03:02.759 say, let's talk about this thing over here. So I'm really actually more 33 00:03:02.759 --> 00:03:07.000 excited when somebody wants to talk about philosophy, because most people don't care about 34 00:03:07.039 --> 00:03:13.479 philosophy and don't want to talk about it. Yeah, So my first question 35 00:03:14.400 --> 00:03:16.080 I want to get I have a I have a big question I want to 36 00:03:16.080 --> 00:03:19.840 ask you, but I won't I won't start off the podcast in such ways. 37 00:03:20.080 --> 00:03:25.039 But my first question is who is Jay Dyer and what is your goal 38 00:03:25.280 --> 00:03:30.960 with their content? What message are you trying to relate to your viewers. 39 00:03:32.680 --> 00:03:38.360 That's a tough question. I think there's a lot of different Jay Dyers in 40 00:03:38.400 --> 00:03:43.919 the sense that when I started out doing this, it was mainly focused on 41 00:03:44.080 --> 00:03:50.199 religious topics, and it was also focused on film and film symbolism and analysis. 42 00:03:50.240 --> 00:03:53.039 And then I decided that I was that was a little too narrow. 43 00:03:53.080 --> 00:03:55.719 I had a lot of other interests. Yeah, So when I was doing 44 00:03:55.719 --> 00:03:59.560 my undergrad I was studying not just philosophy, but I was also taking a 45 00:03:59.560 --> 00:04:02.120 lot of film classes. So I kind of wanted to integrate all of those 46 00:04:02.159 --> 00:04:08.199 things together. So I started doing a lot more essays on geopolitical topics, 47 00:04:08.280 --> 00:04:13.159 a lot more essays on espionage. I was doing my grad work on after 48 00:04:13.520 --> 00:04:20.639 undergrad on grad on the espionage and philosophy and spy literature and how those realms 49 00:04:20.720 --> 00:04:26.279 kind of overlap in terms of propaganda studying studying the Cold War pretty in depth 50 00:04:26.879 --> 00:04:30.199 for people who don't know what espionage is. You want you want to briefly 51 00:04:30.199 --> 00:04:33.199 explain what that was. Yeah, that's the just spycraft in this and the 52 00:04:33.959 --> 00:04:39.040 specifically what I was doing was studying like the time of the Cold War, 53 00:04:39.079 --> 00:04:43.360 Ian Fleming. Actually he predates the Cold War. He's he was doing spy 54 00:04:43.439 --> 00:04:46.600 work in World War Two, but yeah, he was spying on the Access 55 00:04:46.639 --> 00:04:50.079 Powers because he was a British intelligence operative, high level naval intelligence and he 56 00:04:50.240 --> 00:04:56.120 was the author of the James Bond franchise series, so he's sort of known 57 00:04:56.160 --> 00:05:00.680 for that, but he was a real world spy figure. So I was 58 00:05:00.720 --> 00:05:05.519 really interested in that topic and how it overlapped with film and how film is 59 00:05:05.600 --> 00:05:11.160 kind of a perfect medium for propaganda beyond just telling stories. So I did 60 00:05:11.160 --> 00:05:15.600 a lot of research on media propaganda and how that all works. And I 61 00:05:15.680 --> 00:05:20.680 just started kind of blogging back in twenty eight nine, ten eleven had a 62 00:05:20.680 --> 00:05:25.399 small audience back then, and then I kind of took the natural course that 63 00:05:25.439 --> 00:05:28.519 a lot of people tay, which is that you start blogging. You take 64 00:05:28.560 --> 00:05:30.439 all of those essays that you've written over the years. I wrote hundreds of 65 00:05:30.519 --> 00:05:33.279 essays in my twenties, and then you put those into books, right, 66 00:05:33.879 --> 00:05:39.279 and then that kind of led to doing podcasts, and then that led to 67 00:05:39.360 --> 00:05:42.759 doing more and more video work, and then that led to, you know, 68 00:05:42.800 --> 00:05:46.160 bigger opportunities. We just did the Tucker Carlson Special a couple of months 69 00:05:46.240 --> 00:05:49.759 back, so that was kind of like the peak of what I've been up 70 00:05:49.800 --> 00:05:53.720 to for the last few years. But yeah, it's just kind of we 71 00:05:53.800 --> 00:05:58.399 did a TV show to a full season production TV show and I think twenty 72 00:05:58.439 --> 00:06:02.720 seventeen or eighteen somewhere in there. So so yeah, we've been doing a 73 00:06:02.720 --> 00:06:05.800 lot of different stuff. I wear a lot of different hats, and that's 74 00:06:05.839 --> 00:06:11.879 just because I think we live at this inflection point where if you do what 75 00:06:11.920 --> 00:06:15.160 we do, you can kind of let more and more of yourself come out 76 00:06:15.240 --> 00:06:19.920 and you can be you know, you can you can find an audience based 77 00:06:19.959 --> 00:06:23.920 on the things that you're interested in. I guess is what I'm trying to 78 00:06:23.920 --> 00:06:28.000 say one, the more things you're interested in, the better for you know, 79 00:06:28.480 --> 00:06:30.839 for growing an audience. What is your what do you think you're If 80 00:06:30.879 --> 00:06:34.399 you had to summarize your I guess your goal in what sentence, like, 81 00:06:34.439 --> 00:06:40.160 what would that be? I have a lot of different goals. I guess 82 00:06:40.759 --> 00:06:44.560 yeah, I mean, I guess, well, I'm married, so you 83 00:06:44.560 --> 00:06:47.040 know, I want my wife and I have good a good life. So 84 00:06:47.079 --> 00:06:51.000 I try to, you know, on the earthly plane, I try to 85 00:06:51.040 --> 00:06:56.199 do things in a wise way in terms of managing money, running, but 86 00:06:56.480 --> 00:07:00.560 we have a couple of different businesses, investing all that kind of stuff. 87 00:07:00.600 --> 00:07:03.000 On the spiritual plane, you know, I want to be an influence in 88 00:07:03.040 --> 00:07:06.839 a good way in that regard. So that's partly why I do a lot 89 00:07:06.879 --> 00:07:12.480 of the debates with the atheists and Muslims and other traditions, is to try 90 00:07:12.519 --> 00:07:18.319 to do you know, apologetic work for Orthodox Christianity because I'm I'm I'm an 91 00:07:18.360 --> 00:07:23.000 attendee and a member of an Orthodox church, so so I try to promote 92 00:07:23.040 --> 00:07:27.040 that. I also try to do, you know, things on a personal 93 00:07:27.120 --> 00:07:29.879 level just that I enjoy. So there's a lot of different goals, but 94 00:07:29.920 --> 00:07:32.600 I guess overall it's to try to to try to do uh, you know, 95 00:07:32.680 --> 00:07:38.519 good things in a spiritual sense. Okay, that's great. Now I 96 00:07:38.560 --> 00:07:46.839 wanted to dive into obviously because you said you're Orthodox Christian. So the topics 97 00:07:46.920 --> 00:07:53.439 of Christianity, especially nowadays are kind of odd because we're at we're at a 98 00:07:53.480 --> 00:07:59.839 peak in a Western civilization where the underpinnings of Judaeo Christian values are now on 99 00:08:00.079 --> 00:08:03.680 there. I would want to say attack. That sounds a little bit exploitive, 100 00:08:03.759 --> 00:08:09.560 but they're just under question. And everything seems to be coming under question, 101 00:08:09.040 --> 00:08:16.439 especially the topic especially Christianity as as particular, and America is known to 102 00:08:16.480 --> 00:08:22.079 be the melting pot, you know, there's a plethora of religions that and 103 00:08:22.399 --> 00:08:26.279 the one of the hallmarks of America is that we can all we can all 104 00:08:26.319 --> 00:08:31.279 share this this land, and we can all express our different beliefs. I 105 00:08:31.319 --> 00:08:33.919 mean, that's the hallmark of liberty, of being being a liberal were we 106 00:08:33.960 --> 00:08:37.399 are we are free to express whatever we want, well, well not whatever 107 00:08:37.440 --> 00:08:45.360 we want, but what our religious whatever our religious preoccupation is. Well, 108 00:08:45.399 --> 00:08:54.320 why do you think Christianity at per se is always seems to be the particular 109 00:08:54.480 --> 00:09:03.240 belief that is always under always under question. Besides it being obviously a third 110 00:09:03.279 --> 00:09:09.080 of the world's religion, But why do you think it is Christian values per 111 00:09:09.159 --> 00:09:18.840 se that are so intimidating to non believers or or whatever ideology or a part 112 00:09:18.879 --> 00:09:24.600 of What do you think it is about the Christian faith? Because I've always 113 00:09:24.639 --> 00:09:31.399 seen that. You know, you'll never see someone poking fun at Buddha, 114 00:09:31.759 --> 00:09:37.879 like that's not funny. Like you'll never see someone making fun of like the 115 00:09:39.000 --> 00:09:43.840 like a dragon from some like eastern country or something. You'll never see someone 116 00:09:43.200 --> 00:09:50.039 making a meme about farre Muhammad because it's just not funny. Why do you 117 00:09:50.080 --> 00:09:54.639 think it's the Christian faith per se that we're always making memes about Jesus, 118 00:09:54.720 --> 00:10:01.279 We're always making jokes about about this faith particular. Yeah, I think there's 119 00:10:01.279 --> 00:10:05.200 a lot of reasons why it's not just one. I think that, you 120 00:10:05.240 --> 00:10:11.039 know, Christianity makes exclusivest claims, and so it's that's tied to, you 121 00:10:11.080 --> 00:10:16.519 know, objective truth. The idea that truth isn't relative, is not purely 122 00:10:16.559 --> 00:10:20.080 subjective. There are objective truths and principles that everybody must match up to. 123 00:10:20.720 --> 00:10:24.200 And in Christianity, you know you have in John fourteen six I'm the way 124 00:10:24.200 --> 00:10:26.519 the truth in the life. No man comes to Father but by Me. 125 00:10:26.639 --> 00:10:31.879 So Jesus is even making that in more restrictive exclusivity when he says that the 126 00:10:31.919 --> 00:10:39.120 only way to you know, eschatological salvation is through Christ through his Church. 127 00:10:39.240 --> 00:10:43.200 So that's a heavy claim that I think a lot of people have problems with 128 00:10:43.360 --> 00:10:46.679 just because a lot of you know, if you believe the Christian worldview, 129 00:10:46.720 --> 00:10:50.960 then you believe that man has fallen, and so man has a proclivity to 130 00:10:52.159 --> 00:10:56.039 reject God, to turn against God, just because he's a fallen human being. 131 00:10:58.000 --> 00:11:03.879 And so there's that going on. There's also you know, geopolitical powers 132 00:11:03.879 --> 00:11:11.600 and forces that would like to undermine Christianity because it has a stabilizing social component 133 00:11:11.639 --> 00:11:15.720 to it. I'm not saying that it's only about social warfare cultural warfare, 134 00:11:15.799 --> 00:11:20.399 but Christianity does promote, you know, the idea of the sanctity of the 135 00:11:20.399 --> 00:11:24.039 individual, the made in the image of God. So you have rights that 136 00:11:24.120 --> 00:11:30.159 are based around divine law. The Tank Commandments is a really good blueprint for 137 00:11:30.320 --> 00:11:33.879 how to have a healthy society versus one that falls into tyranny, to have 138 00:11:35.440 --> 00:11:37.759 rule by law, these kinds of things, These are all you know, 139 00:11:37.759 --> 00:11:41.679 biblical values, you could say. And so if you're a technocrat, if 140 00:11:41.679 --> 00:11:46.039 you're somebody like you know Clouds at the World Economic Forum, or if you're 141 00:11:46.159 --> 00:11:48.720 knowing, you've all Harari. I mean they actually express this and the writings 142 00:11:48.759 --> 00:11:54.399 that it's time for these older religious notions to go away because we're evolving into 143 00:11:54.440 --> 00:11:58.240 a new kind of transhumanist dataism is what Harari calls it, which way he 144 00:11:58.279 --> 00:12:01.600 says, will be a new religion of the future. So the new religion 145 00:12:01.600 --> 00:12:05.480 of the future. And this is other thinkers too, like H. G. 146 00:12:05.600 --> 00:12:07.720 Wells, he said the same thing, like one hundred years ago. 147 00:12:07.480 --> 00:12:11.240 You have to get rid of the roadblocks to that. And Christianity with its 148 00:12:11.360 --> 00:12:18.919 classic notions of nations or ethnos or people groups nation states. I don't mean 149 00:12:18.000 --> 00:12:22.679 nation states in the post Enlightenment revolutionary sense of a nation state. I mean 150 00:12:22.720 --> 00:12:26.720 the older idea when Jesus says in Matthew twenty eight, go forth and baptize 151 00:12:26.759 --> 00:12:31.000 the ethnoid, the nations, the people groups that go back to the chapter 152 00:12:31.120 --> 00:12:35.320 Genesis ten called the Table of Nations, where you have the outlining of all 153 00:12:35.360 --> 00:12:39.879 these different people groups. There's this tendency to rebuild Babel, I guess is 154 00:12:39.879 --> 00:12:43.159 what you could say from fallen Man and to the attempt to rebuild Babbel, 155 00:12:43.080 --> 00:12:48.000 which is all of the world under a single kind of world government model under 156 00:12:48.080 --> 00:12:52.440 Nirod from Genesis early on in Genesis, I mean that same idea is a 157 00:12:52.519 --> 00:13:00.440 recurring spiritual movement that never really goes away. It's all the world pires are 158 00:13:00.519 --> 00:13:03.679 kind of an attempt to rebuild Babble. And I think that today we're in 159 00:13:03.720 --> 00:13:11.279 a more dangerous situation where you have really powerful international steering committees CFR, Builderberg, 160 00:13:11.320 --> 00:13:15.240 these kinds of things. They really do want to push and openly have 161 00:13:15.320 --> 00:13:20.399 called for the creation of a technocratic world government. And so the things that 162 00:13:20.480 --> 00:13:24.600 stand in the way are identified by those writers, by those elite, by 163 00:13:24.600 --> 00:13:30.480 those technocrats in their own writings, and one of those is traditional Western religion, 164 00:13:30.519 --> 00:13:35.039 in particular Christianity. So that's one of the that's another reason why on 165 00:13:35.080 --> 00:13:39.559 the geopolitical level, underneath the spiritual level of the exclusivist claims of Christ about 166 00:13:39.639 --> 00:13:46.159 Christianity. So yeah, I think I think those are the main two reasons 167 00:13:46.159 --> 00:13:50.200 you could probably we could probably think of other reasons too. Why. I 168 00:13:50.240 --> 00:13:52.200 mean, I think there you could also say that in the realm of so 169 00:13:52.320 --> 00:13:54.600 called Christianity, there are a lot of hypocrites. There are a lot of 170 00:13:54.600 --> 00:14:01.759 people that you know, don't really follow the religon but follow a pseudo version 171 00:14:01.799 --> 00:14:05.879 of it. So there's a lot of you know, goofy megachurches and kind 172 00:14:05.879 --> 00:14:09.279 of ridiculous stuff going on out there, which I think furthers and fosters the 173 00:14:09.360 --> 00:14:13.960 idea that it's a hypocritical religion and undermines the idea of religion itself. Ultimately, 174 00:14:13.919 --> 00:14:18.279 it kind of producing a lot more atheists, I think, and really, 175 00:14:18.440 --> 00:14:24.240 you know, the idea of Bible and Christianity itself has been under attacked 176 00:14:24.240 --> 00:14:26.080 at least since the Enlightenment. I mean in the West. That's really when 177 00:14:26.120 --> 00:14:33.360 you get the outbreak of the phases of atheism that would really kind of, 178 00:14:33.080 --> 00:14:37.639 you know, wash over the entire West. And so now we're kind of 179 00:14:37.679 --> 00:14:45.000 at that phase of where we've even gone past the classical progressivist notions of Enlightenment 180 00:14:45.039 --> 00:14:50.120 atheism with people like Hume and skepticism from people like Dolbach and these characters and 181 00:14:50.159 --> 00:14:54.039 the French revolutionaries. Now we're getting into postmodernism where things are just getting kind 182 00:14:54.039 --> 00:14:58.399 of crazy. We're getting like full on breakdown of the older liberal values, 183 00:14:58.440 --> 00:15:05.200 because the old progressive liberal values of you know, classical liberalism or twentieth century 184 00:15:05.200 --> 00:15:09.519 liberalism, those are now breaking down because they weren't really founded on anything other 185 00:15:09.600 --> 00:15:13.279 than in many cases what's called negative liberty and political philosophy, which is just 186 00:15:13.360 --> 00:15:18.519 the idea that you don't have a positive worldview or a positive idea of what 187 00:15:18.559 --> 00:15:24.639 your culture represents or what your state represents, but you're basically defining your nation 188 00:15:24.879 --> 00:15:30.399 state like America, as a nation that is not big government, that limits 189 00:15:31.120 --> 00:15:33.799 big government. Right. So that's negative liberty and the Enlightenment sense, but 190 00:15:33.840 --> 00:15:39.799 it doesn't provide a lot of positive values beyond things like pursuing life liberty, 191 00:15:39.799 --> 00:15:43.879 property or life liberty, happiness, and so that utilitarian presupposition that's in the 192 00:15:43.960 --> 00:15:50.120 Enlightenment ethos especially in the American idea, the spirit of America. I think 193 00:15:50.200 --> 00:15:54.240 America's kind of at a crossroads where it would have to choose between its competing 194 00:15:54.799 --> 00:15:58.639 founding ideas. So I don't think America's one idea. I think it was 195 00:15:58.200 --> 00:16:04.759 combination of you know, the Roman law, English common law, Biblical Mosaic 196 00:16:04.879 --> 00:16:11.159 law, you know, the founding fathers. Looking back to Roman statesmen. 197 00:16:11.840 --> 00:16:18.799 Even Machiavelli plays a role in it, and the Enlightenment free Masonic revolutionary philosophy 198 00:16:18.879 --> 00:16:22.519 ideas. I think all of those things were kind of in the melting pot 199 00:16:22.559 --> 00:16:27.320 of American ideas, and America would have to choose which route it wanted to 200 00:16:27.360 --> 00:16:30.039 go in terms of those ideas, in terms of where what it wanted to 201 00:16:30.039 --> 00:16:33.399 be more consistent with. So did it want to go down the route of 202 00:16:33.440 --> 00:16:37.279 being more consistent with Enlightenment atheism or does it want to go down the rout 203 00:16:37.320 --> 00:16:41.440 of being more and more of a Christian nation. I think it obviously shows 204 00:16:41.480 --> 00:16:47.559 the route of the Enlightenment atheist pathway, and that led it to lead to 205 00:16:47.600 --> 00:16:53.200 it becoming this interventionist, internationalist power packs Americana, and that has contributed, 206 00:16:53.240 --> 00:16:56.840 I think, more and more so to its demise. And it's kind of 207 00:16:57.320 --> 00:17:00.360 I think we're reaching the point where the American import is going to start to 208 00:17:00.399 --> 00:17:08.400 crumble. I like that part when you quoted Matthew he was the way the 209 00:17:08.400 --> 00:17:12.880 truth. I think. I also I want to bounce back. I want 210 00:17:12.880 --> 00:17:15.039 to bounce this ask you, I want you to tell me what you think 211 00:17:15.079 --> 00:17:22.440 about this. The reason why I think like the the Christian faith, like 212 00:17:22.920 --> 00:17:27.160 per se, is so under attack, is actually because of its truth. 213 00:17:27.559 --> 00:17:34.640 And I actually think a the degree to which you can satirize and to the 214 00:17:34.680 --> 00:17:41.519 degree that that you can that you can deconstruct and make fun of something is 215 00:17:41.559 --> 00:17:47.359 the degree that which is true. Because if you, if you pay attention, 216 00:17:47.480 --> 00:17:51.799 if you and if you and this is back in deconstruction, this theory, 217 00:17:51.880 --> 00:17:56.359 this is back in postmoderness, you'll always you'll read people and then they're 218 00:17:56.440 --> 00:18:04.640 always attacking the Judeo Christian belief. And I look at it as a from 219 00:18:04.680 --> 00:18:10.720 a psychological perspective. I'm a psycho major, just to throw that out there. 220 00:18:11.000 --> 00:18:14.680 Look, I look at it so aside from a philosophical reason why the 221 00:18:14.799 --> 00:18:19.200 Christian faith is is so potent. I'm looking if you look at it at 222 00:18:19.279 --> 00:18:26.079 a psychological perspective, it's like it's a if this is true, then this 223 00:18:26.160 --> 00:18:34.039 must be true. And I think once you accept the pre's opposition that Jesus 224 00:18:34.279 --> 00:18:42.440 was God and he was real, that unravels a infinite cascade of terror. 225 00:18:44.079 --> 00:18:48.400 And but also hope that's the thing because I don't know what versus is, 226 00:18:48.480 --> 00:18:55.160 but it's the fear of God is the beginning of wisdom. So if you 227 00:18:55.319 --> 00:19:00.920 don't believe in God, then what you don't have wisdom? You just have 228 00:19:00.960 --> 00:19:07.880 a bunch of conflicting knowledge. You just have a bunch of conflicting things that 229 00:19:07.119 --> 00:19:15.000 can be true. You have conflicting presuppositions. And I think when so people 230 00:19:15.440 --> 00:19:21.680 radicalists or leftists, are atheist or materialists, the longer they can, the 231 00:19:21.720 --> 00:19:23.799 longer they can stave off this idea. As long as we can just get 232 00:19:23.920 --> 00:19:29.359 rid of this pesky idea that there is some type of transcendent out there, 233 00:19:29.440 --> 00:19:37.839 transcend on to ambiguousflicting presuppositions, then we can. Because the idea of the 234 00:19:37.960 --> 00:19:44.000 scientific, the Enlightenment idea isn't to come to this. I mean people like 235 00:19:44.119 --> 00:19:48.559 I mean Dereda and fu Co write this verbatim. The idea isn't to have 236 00:19:48.680 --> 00:19:52.799 this sort of objective truth. The idea is to have this this dialectic. 237 00:19:52.839 --> 00:19:56.319 I hate using that word because it makes you sound kind of KooKoo, but 238 00:19:56.400 --> 00:20:02.319 it's it's it's to have this on going dialectic, is to have this ongoing 239 00:20:02.319 --> 00:20:06.680 conversation, this ongoing of versilila twos of this may be true, or I 240 00:20:06.720 --> 00:20:11.559 have this thing, I have this this dualism here. But if you accept 241 00:20:11.160 --> 00:20:17.519 this idea that Christ exists and he died and he and he rodes again, 242 00:20:18.160 --> 00:20:22.079 then that means that, okay, well, if there is something that's transcendent, 243 00:20:22.119 --> 00:20:25.599 and that means what is in front of me, there is more to 244 00:20:25.720 --> 00:20:27.559 what is just in front of me. And if there's more to what is 245 00:20:27.599 --> 00:20:30.240 just in front of me, that means that these things that I value, 246 00:20:30.319 --> 00:20:37.400 my very sense itself, all of this, it completely cascades into this unraveling 247 00:20:37.400 --> 00:20:41.440 wall. I don't have this, and that means that there are things that 248 00:20:41.480 --> 00:20:45.440 exist that I can't see. And if there are things that exist that I 249 00:20:45.440 --> 00:20:47.839 can't see, then that means there must be something more than this. That 250 00:20:47.880 --> 00:20:51.519 means that my career and my three letters after my name are not the most 251 00:20:51.519 --> 00:20:55.839 important thing anymore, and that there's some type of transcendent value. And this 252 00:20:56.799 --> 00:21:00.880 line of thinking, this is how depressive just people think they think if this, 253 00:21:02.000 --> 00:21:04.839 then that they don't they go from the from the from the occurrence to 254 00:21:04.880 --> 00:21:08.839 the to the attractor. This means that my whole world is coming down. 255 00:21:10.119 --> 00:21:14.880 That was Nietzsche wrote this word for word in his Will to Power. He 256 00:21:15.000 --> 00:21:18.480 said that I'm gonna I'm gonna get them trying to remember this. It went 257 00:21:18.559 --> 00:21:25.720 from God is good to everything is false a Buddhism of action, and I 258 00:21:25.799 --> 00:21:30.519 always try that verse has stuck with me forever because it does. It has 259 00:21:30.640 --> 00:21:34.599 went from what he was writing a Will to Power about the UH the rising 260 00:21:34.640 --> 00:21:41.559 ideologies in Germany at the time God is good to everything is false. And 261 00:21:41.599 --> 00:21:44.319 so what he meant by that is you just don't lose faith. And he 262 00:21:44.319 --> 00:21:47.440 wrote this and beyond good and Nebo as well, you just don't lose faith 263 00:21:47.640 --> 00:21:53.559 in your ideology. You lose faith in faith itself, and you have to 264 00:21:53.599 --> 00:21:59.640 be reborn into something different, something that is more than yourself. So I 265 00:21:59.640 --> 00:22:07.079 don't think it's it's not Christ that is offending the more radical types, because 266 00:22:07.200 --> 00:22:14.599 that can do nothing but help you. It is the It is the repercussions. 267 00:22:14.640 --> 00:22:18.720 If there is such a thing as Christ, then that means I have 268 00:22:18.799 --> 00:22:23.799 to change something, I have to accept something I have to change. So 269 00:22:23.880 --> 00:22:27.440 I think that's an important distinction, because it's not that they're denying Christ. 270 00:22:27.440 --> 00:22:32.359 Because you can't deny something. I mean, that's just a a that's just 271 00:22:32.400 --> 00:22:34.960 a basic law of logic. You can't deny something that doesn't exist. If 272 00:22:34.960 --> 00:22:37.599 you don't think that Christ it says there, you can't say that there is 273 00:22:37.640 --> 00:22:41.079 no God. That's why I never runner stord to the atheist movie, because 274 00:22:41.079 --> 00:22:44.759 you're claiming you can't claim a negative. You can't say that there is no 275 00:22:44.799 --> 00:22:48.440 He can't make a definitive claim that there is no God because you're saying that 276 00:22:48.480 --> 00:22:52.880 there is no there is no level of universal claim, there is no level 277 00:22:52.920 --> 00:22:56.480 of evidence that would make you believe in such a thing, So you can't 278 00:22:56.559 --> 00:23:00.559 claim it's non existence. So I don't think it's the existing sense of God 279 00:23:00.640 --> 00:23:03.759 or the exists of Christ that people are so vehement about. I think it's 280 00:23:06.319 --> 00:23:11.440 if that's if such a thing exists, then I'm in trouble, and it's 281 00:23:11.440 --> 00:23:15.880 for my best it's for my best interests if I can make as much people 282 00:23:15.920 --> 00:23:22.759 as possible believe that that's a bunch of bullshit. The what do you think 283 00:23:22.759 --> 00:23:25.359 about that? Yeah, I think I think you're right there. I think, 284 00:23:25.480 --> 00:23:27.920 uh, that's a point we've we've made. I mean, it's kind 285 00:23:27.920 --> 00:23:32.559 of the point in John three when Jesus is talking to Nicodemus and he says 286 00:23:32.559 --> 00:23:36.240 to Nicodemus that the darkness hates the light and does not come to the light 287 00:23:36.880 --> 00:23:41.839 lest its deeds should be exposed, and that means that it would require them 288 00:23:41.880 --> 00:23:45.400 to change. And I think you're absolutely right that people sense deep down that 289 00:23:45.680 --> 00:23:48.920 wait a minute, if this is true, then all of these other things 290 00:23:48.000 --> 00:23:52.640 would necessarily necessarily follow. I think that's totally right. I think deep down 291 00:23:52.680 --> 00:23:56.279 people kind of do that mental you know, inner calculus, and they figure 292 00:23:56.279 --> 00:24:03.799 out that and that makes them have that initial uh you know, beheman reaction 293 00:24:03.960 --> 00:24:07.200 against it exactly like you're saying, I think, yeah, I mean, 294 00:24:07.880 --> 00:24:12.640 trying to cut you off. But in that, in that that logical like 295 00:24:12.920 --> 00:24:21.279 deduction is what that that runs counter to the postmodern post structuralist way of thinking 296 00:24:21.319 --> 00:24:27.960 itself. The if this because Hume didn't believe in causality, so it runs 297 00:24:29.000 --> 00:24:33.079 just the concept of something existing, then therefore this exists. So then therefore 298 00:24:33.119 --> 00:24:36.480 this exists. The I mean the I mean that's what it is. That 299 00:24:36.640 --> 00:24:42.279 is that the first the first mover, first move, that's Aquinas is the 300 00:24:42.559 --> 00:24:45.720 I'm going to get this wrong, the first mover. Who was the one 301 00:24:45.720 --> 00:24:51.799 that said that, yeah you could. That's kind of his argument from remotion 302 00:24:52.000 --> 00:24:56.279 that you would have that it would go back to some first cut, but 303 00:24:56.440 --> 00:25:02.720 that everything is contingent, so there must be some non that contingency itself. 304 00:25:02.759 --> 00:25:08.880 That runs counter to the post structuralist or post modern way of thinking, because 305 00:25:10.319 --> 00:25:15.799 in that world nothing is contingent on anything. I can have my cake and 306 00:25:15.880 --> 00:25:18.480 eat it too. I can feel like a man and be a woman. 307 00:25:18.960 --> 00:25:23.400 I can feel the certain way and not act on it, and therefore that 308 00:25:23.519 --> 00:25:29.079 isn't who I am, although we know that as a man thinketh in his 309 00:25:29.200 --> 00:25:33.720 heart, so is he. I can just think about little boys and girls 310 00:25:33.920 --> 00:25:37.200 doesn't mean I'm actually going to touch them. So therefore I'm a good person 311 00:25:37.359 --> 00:25:42.480 because I'm not acting on it. They want to sorry you today, though 312 00:25:42.799 --> 00:25:51.480 that mode of thinking runs contrary to the Judeo Christian way of thinking. If 313 00:25:51.519 --> 00:25:56.279 so, then this and that's where science even begin with. It began with 314 00:25:56.559 --> 00:26:02.720 a religious exploration that there is some sort of of intelligible universe, that there's 315 00:26:02.759 --> 00:26:07.880 something contingent upon this matter, that something cannot come from nothing. So just 316 00:26:07.920 --> 00:26:14.119 the very idea of there being some sort of first mover, there's some sort 317 00:26:14.160 --> 00:26:22.839 of objective reality, some sort of like definitive statement that gives birth literally to 318 00:26:22.720 --> 00:26:30.200 this thing we call work the earth in life that is crippling, to a 319 00:26:30.279 --> 00:26:37.240 world where you can have everything you want and there be no contradiction, because 320 00:26:37.279 --> 00:26:47.960 contradiction is a point. Yeah, I think the Enlightenment started with Descartes deifying 321 00:26:48.000 --> 00:26:53.279 the human mind. And so what religion did prior to that, it placed 322 00:26:55.039 --> 00:26:59.519 the divine mind in the divine in God. It was outside exterior to man. 323 00:27:00.319 --> 00:27:06.559 What Descartes did. Yeah, according to Louis de Pray the I think 324 00:27:06.599 --> 00:27:11.119 he's from Yale Historian Religion. He has a really good book called Passage to 325 00:27:11.160 --> 00:27:17.000 Modernity, and he talks about how de Kart basically took that divine mind concept 326 00:27:17.119 --> 00:27:19.680 of the ancient medieval world and smashed it into man's mind. So now the 327 00:27:19.759 --> 00:27:26.880 individual's mind becomes the paradigm, and it becomes it's attempting to function as the 328 00:27:26.960 --> 00:27:32.039 divine mind used to function. But because the human mind is finite, it 329 00:27:32.079 --> 00:27:36.599 can't pull this off. So this imminentizing of the divine mind that begins with 330 00:27:36.680 --> 00:27:42.039 Descartes, ironically even into human con it's still very rational, it's still basically 331 00:27:42.079 --> 00:27:48.880 psychologism. It becomes syllipsism, and so the syllipsis division, you know, 332 00:27:48.000 --> 00:27:55.359 the kantient divide from the newmana and the phenomena. This ends up being the 333 00:27:55.519 --> 00:28:00.440 very seed that would destroy the mind itself and the man's idea, identity, 334 00:28:00.519 --> 00:28:04.200 man's dignity itself. Because now that we've imminentized everything, and we placed upon 335 00:28:04.319 --> 00:28:10.319 man the burden of building a kind of a system building project of creating and 336 00:28:10.359 --> 00:28:15.440 giving meaning to totality reality, because man's a finite being, obviously that quest 337 00:28:15.559 --> 00:28:22.319 will fail. It must fail, because they've already banished God. And it's 338 00:28:22.400 --> 00:28:26.240 kind of like Sartres said, He said that, you know, you could 339 00:28:26.279 --> 00:28:30.359 look at it like the ancient medieval world said, essence precedes existence. No. 340 00:28:30.200 --> 00:28:34.559 No, Now, my existence precedes and will determine what essences are or 341 00:28:34.599 --> 00:28:37.519 are not. In fact, I'm all through out all the essences and my 342 00:28:37.759 --> 00:28:44.480 existence. So it's man's kind of Faustian bargain, his own self will projecting 343 00:28:44.559 --> 00:28:48.319 himself. But here's the thing. It ends up undercutting his own identity because 344 00:28:48.839 --> 00:28:56.440 he eventually deconstructs all reality, including himself. Because remember Umberto Echo, the 345 00:28:56.440 --> 00:29:02.000 famous Simuititian author of a lot of famous books, Pendulum Name of the Rose. 346 00:29:02.519 --> 00:29:04.440 He wrote a famous essay called or Fascism, and he says that the 347 00:29:04.440 --> 00:29:12.839 goal of the revolutionary that leftists ultimately is not just against fascist governments or tyrannical 348 00:29:12.880 --> 00:29:18.400 governments, it's actually against the idea of truth itself with a capital T. 349 00:29:18.599 --> 00:29:22.599 If you believe that there's any objective truth, you are a fascist. You're 350 00:29:22.640 --> 00:29:26.240 a truth fascist, he says, so that all ideas of truth have to 351 00:29:26.279 --> 00:29:33.440 be destroyed. That's exactly. But see exactly, and if you point that 352 00:29:33.519 --> 00:29:37.039 out, they say, we don't care about contradictions. We embrace them, 353 00:29:37.400 --> 00:29:41.960 because all reality is contradiction. These people will say, the more sophisticated versions 354 00:29:41.000 --> 00:29:44.640 of them will say this, right. So when you get into these more 355 00:29:45.000 --> 00:29:48.599 higher level Marxist dialecticians and these kinds of people, you know, the higher 356 00:29:48.680 --> 00:29:55.319 level I think, you know, darker thinkers that father sarafrom Rose identifies as 357 00:29:55.359 --> 00:30:00.559 the fourth stage of the nihilistic revolutionaries. If you read his great book Roots 358 00:30:00.559 --> 00:30:04.200 of the Nihilism, Roots of the Modern Revolution, he talks about these four 359 00:30:04.200 --> 00:30:11.000 phases of who wrote that, I want to remember that nihilism Roots of the 360 00:30:11.000 --> 00:30:15.319 Modern Revolution by father Sara from Rose. He classifies four stages of revolutionary thought, 361 00:30:15.400 --> 00:30:21.759 which kind of begins with the idealistic, you know, utopian, universalist 362 00:30:22.759 --> 00:30:26.799 revolutionary figure who wants to bring about an earthly utopia, and then eventually the 363 00:30:26.839 --> 00:30:33.160 revolution fades into death for death's sake, pure nihilism, and destruction for destruction 364 00:30:33.279 --> 00:30:37.920 sake. So that's like it's kind of his final phase of that revolutionary utopianism 365 00:30:38.079 --> 00:30:42.440 actually gets you to pure destructive nihilism. That's his argument in the book. 366 00:30:42.480 --> 00:30:45.359 He actually does a pre subdistional critique in the first chapter of all that. 367 00:30:45.400 --> 00:30:51.519 I think it's a really good orthodox, pre subsisitional critique of that whole Enlightenment 368 00:30:51.519 --> 00:30:56.920 ethos. But yeah, he ends that chapter by saying that the logical progression 369 00:30:57.079 --> 00:31:02.240 is to completely reject logic as a whole and to embrace contradictions. And that 370 00:31:02.240 --> 00:31:06.519 makes perfect sense because, as we've been covering on my channel pretty lately, 371 00:31:07.319 --> 00:31:11.519 that after I had a lot of interactions with a bunch of like insane Marxists 372 00:31:11.599 --> 00:31:15.039 online. Uh, if you go and you and you read a book like 373 00:31:15.200 --> 00:31:21.279 this Fire in the Minds of Men who James Billington was the Library and of 374 00:31:21.319 --> 00:31:26.119 Congress, So he wasn't a conspiracy theorist. He's actually just writing a mainline 375 00:31:26.200 --> 00:31:29.759 history of revolutionary thought from the French Revolution or prior to the French Revolution all 376 00:31:29.799 --> 00:31:33.559 the webs to now. And you know he talks about highlights the importance of 377 00:31:33.640 --> 00:31:38.839 dialectics and direct of materialism. You know that it was taken from Hegel, 378 00:31:40.359 --> 00:31:41.920 and the key to this is to understand that. And I don't even really 379 00:31:41.920 --> 00:31:45.839 think Hegel thought this, but I think that the people that have taken this 380 00:31:45.279 --> 00:31:49.359 have gone in the direction of saying that there are there's not really anything that's 381 00:31:49.440 --> 00:31:55.279 true. Everything is just a bit, a bit, and a piecemeal approach 382 00:31:55.319 --> 00:32:00.000 to truth. And so every interaction, right, the argument would go between 383 00:32:00.160 --> 00:32:01.279 you and I. You have a bit of the truth. I have a 384 00:32:01.279 --> 00:32:06.599 bit of the truth. We have this interaction, and so this interaction is 385 00:32:06.640 --> 00:32:09.480 a thesis antithesis, synthesis. We're both coming to a higher level of truth 386 00:32:09.880 --> 00:32:14.920 as a result of this. So truth isn't really a thing that's ever a 387 00:32:15.000 --> 00:32:21.160 static, it's always in process. It's always in a dialectical movement that the 388 00:32:21.279 --> 00:32:24.079 journey itself is the truth. According to I think a lot of these people. 389 00:32:25.079 --> 00:32:28.839 I see this when I read people like Harber Moss and people coming out 390 00:32:28.880 --> 00:32:30.119 of the Frankfurt School. So I think, I think this is really a 391 00:32:30.119 --> 00:32:37.400 fundamental dialectical idea that these people believe, and that actually, if you understand 392 00:32:37.440 --> 00:32:40.400 that, actually explains a lot as to why they actually affirm contradictions. They 393 00:32:40.400 --> 00:32:46.279 actually believe in the necessity of and by contradiction, they don't even necessarily just 394 00:32:46.440 --> 00:32:52.799 mean in Marxist practicology, they don't necessarily just mean a logical contradiction. They 395 00:32:52.839 --> 00:32:59.960 mean all opposition, like constant opposition struggle. That is the life and practice 396 00:33:00.079 --> 00:33:04.319 the Marxist That is the action that you take, even if it's people in 397 00:33:04.359 --> 00:33:07.759 your own camp, you still have to deconstruct the Marxists from the last generation. 398 00:33:08.079 --> 00:33:13.119 So it's a never ending just strife and struggle because they think, as 399 00:33:13.160 --> 00:33:15.960 I think you mentioned earlier about Heraclitis, I mean, they borrow from Heraclitis 400 00:33:16.000 --> 00:33:22.440 that all reality is flux. So they're they're just furthering the process by going 401 00:33:22.480 --> 00:33:29.079 along with reality itself, which is pure flux and atoms and molecules and everything 402 00:33:29.160 --> 00:33:34.240 just bashing together to produce the synthesis out of that. So if you understand 403 00:33:34.240 --> 00:33:37.160 that, then I think it helps to understand why when you interact with these 404 00:33:37.200 --> 00:33:40.559 people and you call them out on a logical fallacy, they don't care because 405 00:33:40.559 --> 00:33:47.000 they have a philosophy that pretends to respect logic and reasoning but actually affirms contradictions. 406 00:33:49.200 --> 00:33:52.799 Now, I want to get into Marxism and stuff later in the conversation, 407 00:33:53.200 --> 00:33:58.640 but I will save that for later. I want to ask you to 408 00:33:58.720 --> 00:34:04.640 we talked about true. If we talk about God momentarily, what is truth 409 00:34:05.480 --> 00:34:12.639 and how does it? How does one come to truth? What is truth? 410 00:34:15.280 --> 00:34:19.920 I would say the truth is a divine person. I think it's what 411 00:34:20.039 --> 00:34:23.559 John identifies in John One as the logos. The logos is not identical to 412 00:34:24.239 --> 00:34:29.760 Hellenic Greek philosophical conceptions of the logos. I think John was using that term 413 00:34:29.840 --> 00:34:34.400 to speak to a lot of Greek reading, you know, Greek speakers and 414 00:34:34.440 --> 00:34:37.880 Greek audience, to bring them to Christianity. But a lot of times people 415 00:34:37.920 --> 00:34:40.280 mistake this as if it means that, you know, John is saying the 416 00:34:40.280 --> 00:34:45.280 exact same thing as what the Priestocratics are meaning when they say logos or Marcus 417 00:34:45.360 --> 00:34:50.880 Aurelius when he says logos, I think he's using that term to direct people 418 00:34:50.920 --> 00:34:55.400 by saying what you're calling logos or truth or word or explanation or meaning whatever, 419 00:34:55.519 --> 00:35:00.159 that's actually what we've got in Christianity with the second person that God and 420 00:35:00.480 --> 00:35:07.280 Jesus is that logos is the truth. So truth ultimately isn't abstract, it's 421 00:35:07.320 --> 00:35:12.280 not ultimately propositional. There are abstract truths, there are propositional truths, but 422 00:35:12.360 --> 00:35:16.840 those are created truths in our worldview that reflect an uncreated truth which is not 423 00:35:17.440 --> 00:35:22.280 abstract or a force or impersonal, but personal. So this is a very 424 00:35:22.400 --> 00:35:28.079 unique element to Biblical religion. Ultimately, I think to orthodoxy that the highest 425 00:35:28.199 --> 00:35:32.559 level of the absolute is not impersonal. A lot of world religions, Hinduism, 426 00:35:32.840 --> 00:35:40.280 something like that the absolute is ultimately an impersonal, unknowable whatever. And 427 00:35:40.440 --> 00:35:45.760 if ultimate reality is impersonal, you kind of get a worldview that is all 428 00:35:45.800 --> 00:35:52.239 illusory or it's all disteleological, meaning it lacks purpose. And there's a lot 429 00:35:52.239 --> 00:35:54.960 of implications for your philosophy, for their worldview. If you have a presupposition 430 00:35:55.039 --> 00:36:00.559 that ultimate reality is impersonal therefore disteliological, it means that they can't can't ultimately 431 00:36:00.599 --> 00:36:05.119 have purpose within that paradigm, within that world view. So Christianity allows for 432 00:36:05.199 --> 00:36:12.239 it has purpose precisely because God is personal and because the world is created with 433 00:36:12.480 --> 00:36:19.079 that divine personal intentionality, meaning that it's directed and meaning that it has purpose. 434 00:36:19.320 --> 00:36:25.039 So telos or purpose is immediately connected to a world that has that is 435 00:36:25.079 --> 00:36:29.199 created. It's not just a manifestation that comes and goes. It's not an 436 00:36:29.239 --> 00:36:31.840 illusion, it's not a dream. It's a real beginning, middle, and 437 00:36:31.960 --> 00:36:36.119 end thing. So there's time time has, you know, beginning, middle, 438 00:36:36.159 --> 00:36:39.480 and end. Humans experience reality with that time determination of beginning, middle, 439 00:36:39.519 --> 00:36:44.440 and end. Augustine, for example, makes arguments about this and his 440 00:36:44.480 --> 00:36:47.840 famous book Confessions where he talks about how even in this and seeing things in 441 00:36:47.920 --> 00:36:51.480 beginning, middle and end, it kind of in a way points us to 442 00:36:51.519 --> 00:36:55.519 God. So who is outside of time, and so time itself kind of 443 00:36:55.519 --> 00:37:01.000 has to be grounded in something super temporal outside out of time. And then 444 00:37:01.119 --> 00:37:05.559 you know, again God being personal, not just an abstract force or something 445 00:37:05.599 --> 00:37:10.119 like that like you might find in Platonism, that actually gives us again telos, 446 00:37:10.159 --> 00:37:15.599 intentionality and purpose, and that history doesn't just keep going. It has 447 00:37:15.760 --> 00:37:19.800 actually a beginning, a middle, and an end because as an end has 448 00:37:19.840 --> 00:37:22.800 a purpose. So things are actually moving towards some climax, and they're not 449 00:37:22.880 --> 00:37:27.320 just moving on infinitely. I mean there will be an escton. But in 450 00:37:27.360 --> 00:37:30.719 the sense of history, what we mean by history is beginning milling in that 451 00:37:30.760 --> 00:37:36.800 actually gives us purpose insofar as humans are constituted in this life to learn things, 452 00:37:36.800 --> 00:37:38.079 to know things, and to have purpose. So what it will be 453 00:37:38.199 --> 00:37:42.760 like in the escaton we don't exactly know. We kind of have these inklings 454 00:37:42.800 --> 00:37:46.480 in terms of orthodox eschatology. But for the way that we know and live 455 00:37:46.559 --> 00:37:50.320 and move and operate in the here and the now in this world which has 456 00:37:50.360 --> 00:37:53.360 fallen, which is temporal, there's certain things that have to be the case, 457 00:37:53.400 --> 00:37:58.559 that have to be there in these we typically call categories. You could 458 00:37:58.559 --> 00:38:02.599 look at Aristotle's categories. Kant later kind of trust to reformulate these as transcendental 459 00:38:02.599 --> 00:38:07.519 categories, and unfortunately he makes them only mental. I wouldn't agree with making 460 00:38:07.559 --> 00:38:12.320 them only mental. That's the Enlightenment move to smush everything eminently into into the 461 00:38:12.400 --> 00:38:15.440 human mind. I think if we keep these things exterior to man in the 462 00:38:15.480 --> 00:38:22.920 actual world, categories of interpreting and knowing the world, categories of being and 463 00:38:22.920 --> 00:38:29.039 so forth, then we actually have a coherent worldview. When we throw out 464 00:38:29.079 --> 00:38:31.800 those things we tried to deny, these basic ideas, that's when we get 465 00:38:31.800 --> 00:38:37.320 into these problems, which is what happened at the Enlightenment doesn't mean medieval philosophy 466 00:38:37.360 --> 00:38:42.239 is absolutely perfect. I think that there can be developments and things that build 467 00:38:42.320 --> 00:38:52.480 on errors or empty spots in medieval philosophy that can be patched up or fixed. 468 00:38:52.280 --> 00:38:55.159 But to throw the baby out with the bathwater, which we saw in 469 00:38:55.159 --> 00:38:59.639 the Enlightenment, I think was a huge mistake, and it really set the 470 00:38:59.679 --> 00:39:04.639 West on the ideological truck that it's on now, which is just complete collapse 471 00:39:04.679 --> 00:39:09.599 in the kay so far from you know, man progressing. In terms of 472 00:39:09.639 --> 00:39:15.119 all of these great technological advancements and all the scientific advancements, I actually think 473 00:39:15.119 --> 00:39:19.119 that a lot of that is illusory. Not that we haven't had these advancements, 474 00:39:19.119 --> 00:39:24.239 but I don't believe that those advancements came from the presuppositions of materialism. 475 00:39:24.840 --> 00:39:31.000 And I don't think that scientism or any kind of new religion like materialism is 476 00:39:31.039 --> 00:39:37.039 in any way actually going to further anything. Rather, those ideas actually degrade 477 00:39:37.039 --> 00:39:45.039 and devolve us. Now, the concepts of truth have been always been attacked 478 00:39:45.239 --> 00:39:53.760 throughout history forever, and one particular critique of truth who and one person who, 479 00:39:53.840 --> 00:40:00.199 I mean I admire deeply, one person who has maybe attack truth may 480 00:40:00.239 --> 00:40:05.199 be harder than anyone else. Frederick Nietzche. I've read a lot of Nietzche 481 00:40:05.199 --> 00:40:09.599 in the past, and his work is known, whether people know it or 482 00:40:09.679 --> 00:40:15.280 not. He's had a huge influence on Western thinking and if you so, 483 00:40:15.280 --> 00:40:21.159 if you read Nietzsche, he and his letters, especially Wealth to Power. 484 00:40:21.480 --> 00:40:24.719 But when he just used to write on truth, there is this one passage 485 00:40:24.760 --> 00:40:32.599 where he was speaking about talking about truth as the mirror, like when we 486 00:40:32.639 --> 00:40:37.440 are fluxing, how we were talking about words and sounds, and which then 487 00:40:37.559 --> 00:40:42.519 later rolls up to postmodernism. He would think he was. When he was 488 00:40:42.559 --> 00:40:50.599 critiquing truth, he said, is is the reality itself contained just by words? 489 00:40:50.679 --> 00:40:54.920 Are we just restrained by words? So that then then I want to 490 00:40:54.960 --> 00:41:01.039 take that because if you take knee Te's critique of truth, is truth just 491 00:41:01.440 --> 00:41:06.599 the words and the sounds? And he even went deeper into saying, is 492 00:41:06.599 --> 00:41:10.519 it just is it just the mere like actual sounds or the letters or the 493 00:41:10.559 --> 00:41:14.599 letters true, or the or the spaces in between the letters. Is that 494 00:41:14.679 --> 00:41:16.960 where the truth is? Is it just the tone of my voice? Is 495 00:41:17.239 --> 00:41:21.440 it the mere sound? What? What where is it? If you take 496 00:41:21.519 --> 00:41:28.239 that and then you take John and when you say when in how he conceptualized 497 00:41:28.280 --> 00:41:34.639 truth. The logos is the word. Do you see a connection there between 498 00:41:34.880 --> 00:41:38.079 the word the truth being like the word as the word in this case would 499 00:41:38.119 --> 00:41:45.360 be God versus Nietzsche's idea of truth being truth just being just merely words, 500 00:41:46.639 --> 00:41:51.119 Like what do you think the relationship between that is? Because I've always that's 501 00:41:51.119 --> 00:41:55.960 always struck me. Yea, I think is actually a legitimate question given the 502 00:41:55.960 --> 00:42:01.519 status of philosophy at his time and in his day, so where things had 503 00:42:01.559 --> 00:42:07.920 gone, it is perfectly legitimate for him to ask, especially when he's critiquing 504 00:42:07.960 --> 00:42:10.719 a lot of I mean, he does critique Christians, but he also critiques 505 00:42:10.760 --> 00:42:15.280 a lot of the progressives in the atheists of his day, and he says, 506 00:42:15.559 --> 00:42:22.480 you have the same idealistic, universalist notions of truth of promoting your atheist 507 00:42:22.519 --> 00:42:24.000 gospel. I mean, even makes fun of the atheist He calls them the 508 00:42:24.039 --> 00:42:29.360 pale atheists and makes fun of them as the new evangelist. And I think 509 00:42:29.360 --> 00:42:31.119 it's the same work. Maybe aka home, I forget it's been I haven't 510 00:42:31.119 --> 00:42:35.360 had a Nietzsche class in like ten years, but we did read those texts 511 00:42:35.360 --> 00:42:39.559 that you're talking about. But yeah, I mean, he's basically saying, 512 00:42:39.599 --> 00:42:45.559 look, if you want to still act as of language has this ability to 513 00:42:46.199 --> 00:42:52.039 give you insights into reality itself, into meaning, and into truth, then 514 00:42:52.559 --> 00:42:55.679 where in any of this is truth? Right you? Coul's kind of a 515 00:42:55.719 --> 00:43:01.079 human question, where in my experience is causing or is teleology? I see 516 00:43:01.079 --> 00:43:06.119 one event, I see this event, and you're just calling that causation or 517 00:43:06.239 --> 00:43:10.960 teleology. But that's an interpretation. So I think Nietzsch's got a great point 518 00:43:12.079 --> 00:43:16.960 there that would actually undermine the older Enlightenment narratives. And Nietzsch is actually good 519 00:43:16.960 --> 00:43:23.199 for that. Some of the existentialists are really good for undermining and disproving these 520 00:43:23.320 --> 00:43:30.880 older Enlightenment notions of again universalizing abstract truths, principles, concepts, nature, 521 00:43:30.920 --> 00:43:36.760 et cetera. You know, care Kerguard has a similar type of critique. 522 00:43:37.039 --> 00:43:39.239 Dostievsky has a similar type of critique. In fact, I wrote an essay 523 00:43:39.800 --> 00:43:47.079 that's in my metain Ritis book on how Kirkerguard, Dostievsky, and Nietzsche really 524 00:43:47.400 --> 00:43:52.960 critique and destroy the Enlightenment and they That doesn't mean that they all three have 525 00:43:52.559 --> 00:43:58.679 exactly the same answers or solutions, but their critiques are good enough to destroy 526 00:43:58.880 --> 00:44:04.119 the Enlightenment narratives of the grand narrative of the Enlightenment that they had that we 527 00:44:04.159 --> 00:44:08.719 don't need God. We can have abstract truth through science, through mathematics, 528 00:44:08.760 --> 00:44:15.320 through universal laws of logic. You know, Kant wrote this essay about how 529 00:44:15.360 --> 00:44:19.920 we'll have a universal system of trade and then we'll have a world government, 530 00:44:19.960 --> 00:44:22.480 and then we won't have war anymore, because once everybody sees the prosperity that 531 00:44:22.519 --> 00:44:24.599 you can have with the world government, nobody will want to go to war. 532 00:44:24.679 --> 00:44:28.079 I mean, just really silly, stupid, naive ideas, right, 533 00:44:28.519 --> 00:44:34.360 not even just just not based in reality of falling human nature. And because 534 00:44:34.360 --> 00:44:37.400 if you don't believe in the fall, you're going to adopt the view where 535 00:44:37.440 --> 00:44:45.679 you think that man's the solution to man's problems are governmental economic social programs, 536 00:44:46.320 --> 00:44:52.039 you know, what you could call Pallagian solutions to man's problems. That's kind 537 00:44:52.039 --> 00:44:54.639 of what plagies. If you don't believe in the fall, then you will 538 00:44:55.400 --> 00:45:00.599 and habit the pride. The pride will your yeah and your solut you will. 539 00:45:00.639 --> 00:45:07.159 You will misdiagnose man's problems and give him the wrong solutions. Right like 540 00:45:07.840 --> 00:45:14.360 today, since we are believed to be just bags of meat. I mean, 541 00:45:14.360 --> 00:45:20.559 the dominance of the Rockerfellers put out this this study, uh, the 542 00:45:20.599 --> 00:45:25.679 molecular vision of life. And basically, because man is seen as just this, 543 00:45:25.679 --> 00:45:31.079 this collection of chemicals, the assumption is that you would only treat man's 544 00:45:31.159 --> 00:45:36.880 problems by throwing chemicals at chemicals. Hence big pharma. Right, So the 545 00:45:36.920 --> 00:45:43.920 solutions of the pharmaceutical corporations align with a kind of biology which sees man as 546 00:45:44.119 --> 00:45:47.440 just a bag of chemical reactions. So just tweak the chemicals with more chemicals. 547 00:45:49.199 --> 00:45:53.679 So that's a specifically a reductionist model out of the enlightenment of man as 548 00:45:53.719 --> 00:45:57.920 just a just another, you know, one of the animals in the animal 549 00:45:58.039 --> 00:46:01.639 kingdom. So man's loss is dignity. He's the greater himself. Yeah, 550 00:46:01.840 --> 00:46:04.800 yeah, anyway, so yeah, you get the point. And so I 551 00:46:04.800 --> 00:46:08.400 think Nietzsche's right to raise that question of well, where is truth? Where 552 00:46:08.519 --> 00:46:14.599 is the exagesus and the meaning of something in the words? And I think 553 00:46:14.599 --> 00:46:20.840 that when John calls Jesus the logos a few verses later in John One, 554 00:46:20.880 --> 00:46:24.360 he also says that that he is the by saying he's the word of the 555 00:46:24.400 --> 00:46:31.599 Father. It says that he exegeats or explains the Father, and so meaning 556 00:46:32.119 --> 00:46:37.920 found in Christ ultimately exegetes, meaning that it explains our life, it gives 557 00:46:37.920 --> 00:46:39.599 our luck, meaning purpose, all of that it's bound up in that. 558 00:46:40.199 --> 00:46:45.199 In that word that is the expression of the inexpressible. So we will never 559 00:46:45.519 --> 00:46:52.159 ultimately have totality knowledge of God. And the Eastern Fathers like sing Greg and 560 00:46:52.199 --> 00:46:55.440 Nissa, they even speak of how we will forever be going up into God. 561 00:46:55.480 --> 00:46:59.480 We will forever be moving up into God, learning more and more. 562 00:47:00.280 --> 00:47:04.440 And that's great because that means that you'll never be satiated, You'll always want 563 00:47:04.480 --> 00:47:10.440 more, so as you're enjoying the experience of God in the process, right, 564 00:47:12.119 --> 00:47:15.360 you're not going through process philosophy that's never giving you truth. It's just 565 00:47:15.599 --> 00:47:20.639 moving from truth to truth, to truth to truth more truth. Whereas in 566 00:47:20.719 --> 00:47:23.079 the process philosophy idea that we talked about a minute ago, you never have 567 00:47:23.159 --> 00:47:28.400 truth. Everything is relative, even in the process itself. It's supposed to 568 00:47:28.440 --> 00:47:31.000 be oh, well, it's just raw experience. Well, raw experience doesn't 569 00:47:31.039 --> 00:47:39.239 have any meaning if there's no truth, Jay, who is God and why 570 00:47:39.599 --> 00:47:49.360 should someone believe in God? I think God is the Trinity, Father, 571 00:47:49.440 --> 00:47:53.800 Son, and Holy Spirit, Ultimately, God is God the Father, and 572 00:47:53.920 --> 00:47:59.079 the way that we have access to God the Father is through his only begotten 573 00:47:59.119 --> 00:48:02.440 Son, and the means of that is in the Holy Spirit. So from 574 00:48:02.440 --> 00:48:06.639 the Father, through the Son, and in the Spirit, as Saint Basil 575 00:48:06.679 --> 00:48:13.400 says, is a liturgical movement that tells us about the movement within God himself, 576 00:48:13.519 --> 00:48:19.199 who is triad. So God is not a perfectly static idea like the 577 00:48:19.239 --> 00:48:23.199 Greeks thought, like Plato or whoever Pythagoras. God is not a changing being 578 00:48:23.239 --> 00:48:29.519 in the sense of being one thing one day and something else another day. 579 00:48:29.760 --> 00:48:34.239 But there is movement within God, which is the communal life of the triad 580 00:48:35.000 --> 00:48:40.880 without there being change or without God being passable, and so there's a dynamic 581 00:48:42.000 --> 00:48:45.400 stasis, which is the term that the Eastern Fathers use about how God transcends 582 00:48:45.440 --> 00:48:52.199 dialectics. So he's neither purely one, nor is he only three that would 583 00:48:52.239 --> 00:48:55.639 be polytheism. But he's one in three, three and one, and he's 584 00:48:55.679 --> 00:49:00.800 equally three as he is equally one, and so there's an equal ultimacy which 585 00:49:00.840 --> 00:49:02.679 solves the problem of the one of the many. I think in history philosophy, 586 00:49:02.760 --> 00:49:07.000 if your ultimate principle is a triad, you don't have the problem of 587 00:49:07.000 --> 00:49:09.360 the one of the many anymore. So that's who I think God is in 588 00:49:09.440 --> 00:49:14.880 terms of his metaphysical quote definition. Even though we could never really define God, 589 00:49:15.039 --> 00:49:20.199 we can speak about how he's revealed himself. We can't exhaustively define him, 590 00:49:20.519 --> 00:49:24.480 and then he's known or had a relationship with through the means of in 591 00:49:24.519 --> 00:49:30.119 my view, the Orthodox Church. So that's who God is, and the 592 00:49:30.960 --> 00:49:35.440 reason that I would say we believe in God is also many. I think 593 00:49:35.480 --> 00:49:39.840 there's a lot of testimonies in terms of messianic prophecies in the Old Testament that 594 00:49:40.039 --> 00:49:45.360 Christ perfectly fulfills. Those I think are evidences of the inspiration of the scriptures. 595 00:49:46.440 --> 00:49:50.880 There's the history of the witness of the Church throughout the centuries, the 596 00:49:50.920 --> 00:49:54.039 fulfillment of the prophecies of the gentile nations converting, which we've seen in the 597 00:49:54.079 --> 00:49:59.679 last two thousand years, which I think attests to Christ being the Messiah. 598 00:50:00.039 --> 00:50:02.679 Topically, though, I think that the transcendental argument for God is a good 599 00:50:02.760 --> 00:50:07.679 argument for why God exists and why he must be a certain type of God 600 00:50:07.679 --> 00:50:12.960 and not just any God. And then my own experience, just in my 601 00:50:13.039 --> 00:50:16.840 personal subjective, you know, one to one in terms of my life and 602 00:50:16.880 --> 00:50:20.440 the history of the church. All of those are reasons why I believe and 603 00:50:20.519 --> 00:50:29.119 why why I think it's true now something that's always troubled me as well. 604 00:50:29.119 --> 00:50:30.880 I didn't always. I'll just be up front. I didn't always believe in 605 00:50:30.920 --> 00:50:36.280 God, especially when I was a kid, even though I was brought up 606 00:50:36.519 --> 00:50:39.639 in a religious household me. My grandfather was a preacher. He has just 607 00:50:39.840 --> 00:50:46.079 he had a doctorate in theology. And I went through a period where I 608 00:50:46.119 --> 00:50:51.280 did not believe. Well, I thought there was a God, but I 609 00:50:51.280 --> 00:50:53.840 did not fear I didn't fear him. I didn't have the fear of him. 610 00:50:54.239 --> 00:50:58.800 He didn't have his Uh. I didn't get it. I didn't get 611 00:50:58.880 --> 00:51:06.280 why I should take this seriously. And to people who maybe don't believe in 612 00:51:06.320 --> 00:51:10.679 people who are struggling to believe, I always try to put myself in their 613 00:51:10.760 --> 00:51:15.039 head because I tend to look at things from my psychological perspective. I'm always 614 00:51:15.039 --> 00:51:22.079 trying to understand why that person thinks the way that they think and when so 615 00:51:22.239 --> 00:51:27.440 look at the life of Let's just use Cain for an example. Even though 616 00:51:27.440 --> 00:51:32.960 now to kin believe in God or not, that is an odd question, 617 00:51:34.320 --> 00:51:37.960 because he was kind of talking to him. But so then you have to 618 00:51:37.960 --> 00:51:40.159 ask, what does the word believe mean? Does that mean that you trust 619 00:51:40.199 --> 00:51:43.400 that he is who he says he is, or do you think that you 620 00:51:43.440 --> 00:51:46.679 are hearing things? As a conversation for another day, but let's pretend that 621 00:51:46.719 --> 00:51:52.280 you're a Caine, or just pretend that you're someone who has had a very 622 00:51:52.559 --> 00:52:00.119 rough life like Christ or someone you're doing everything possible to just stay afloat. 623 00:52:00.239 --> 00:52:07.280 You're trying, you're making the you think you're making proper sacrifices, you're putting 624 00:52:07.280 --> 00:52:13.280 them at the altar of God or what have you. And but you look 625 00:52:13.320 --> 00:52:15.559 to your left, you look to your right, and you look up, 626 00:52:15.599 --> 00:52:20.159 and you look down. You look around, and you see other people making 627 00:52:20.199 --> 00:52:23.679 it. You see other people receiving blessings. You see other people getting things 628 00:52:23.679 --> 00:52:29.920 that you want. You see other people obtaining things that you worked your ass 629 00:52:29.960 --> 00:52:32.800 off for, but they just seem to get it just a little easier than 630 00:52:32.840 --> 00:52:39.440 you. And that emotion, that that spirit of well, why are they 631 00:52:39.440 --> 00:52:43.159 getting all this stuff? Why do they under why do they have it easy? 632 00:52:43.199 --> 00:52:45.599 Why did they have both parents growing up? Why did they have clothes 633 00:52:45.639 --> 00:52:49.840 on their back? Food, in their stomach. A family who loves them, 634 00:52:50.000 --> 00:52:53.199 grow up in a suburban area, didn't have to look behind them. 635 00:52:53.360 --> 00:52:58.119 Could what play outside without street lights? Why did they have that? And 636 00:52:58.159 --> 00:53:02.400 you're doing everything possible, and then you put your sacrifice out there, and 637 00:53:02.440 --> 00:53:07.719 then God or the world says And this is one of my favorite verses. 638 00:53:07.760 --> 00:53:13.360 I think I believe it's Census four three. If thou doest well, shalt 639 00:53:13.360 --> 00:53:17.880 thou not be accepted? And I always think about that every time I catch 640 00:53:17.960 --> 00:53:24.000 myself being kan or I catch myself being that the spirit that begins to deny 641 00:53:24.920 --> 00:53:30.480 God, if thou doest well shot down not be ex shall that not be 642 00:53:30.559 --> 00:53:35.079 accepted? So if someone who like that, who is trying their best, 643 00:53:35.559 --> 00:53:40.400 or maybe they're they aren't because their blessings their or their their efforts aren't being 644 00:53:42.159 --> 00:53:46.280 met, what what do you? How does that w How does believing in 645 00:53:46.719 --> 00:53:53.719 an entity that is refusing to bless you? How does that make you? 646 00:53:54.760 --> 00:54:00.480 Why does that? Why should that encourage you to seek him further? If 647 00:54:00.519 --> 00:54:07.840 you're not seeing the benefits of believing in such a god, because I think 648 00:54:07.960 --> 00:54:12.519 some people don't believe, or some people are reluctant to it because they're saying, 649 00:54:12.559 --> 00:54:16.400 well, what what am what am I getting out of this? And 650 00:54:16.480 --> 00:54:20.199 maybe thinking what do I get? What am I getting out of this is 651 00:54:20.199 --> 00:54:23.280 the wrong mindset of itself. But what would you say to someone who is 652 00:54:23.679 --> 00:54:28.760 experiencing that type of a type of life where it's nothing seems to be going 653 00:54:28.760 --> 00:54:34.320 well no matter what they're doing. So how and I have been worshiping God 654 00:54:34.400 --> 00:54:37.960 this whole entire time, so you're telling me I need to get closer to 655 00:54:37.119 --> 00:54:45.400 something that is refusing to acknowledge my efforts. What would you say to that 656 00:54:45.440 --> 00:54:51.280 person who is experiencing that spirit of Cain, who is beginning to be who 657 00:54:51.320 --> 00:54:53.880 is who? That resentment is building up and maybe they're just ready to take 658 00:54:53.920 --> 00:55:01.119 out someone question. I guess my first thought would be that, you know, 659 00:55:02.840 --> 00:55:12.400 our religion doesn't promise that first and foremost you will get temporal blessings and 660 00:55:12.480 --> 00:55:16.119 prosperity. You may get temporal blessings and prosperity, but there's no promise or 661 00:55:16.119 --> 00:55:22.679 guarantee of that. The promise and the guarantee has to do with the next 662 00:55:22.719 --> 00:55:28.719 life and the blessings and the prosperity there. But I do think that it's 663 00:55:28.760 --> 00:55:31.079 also true that God does bless us and give us prosperity in this life as 664 00:55:31.119 --> 00:55:36.320 well. It's just not a guarantee. But nations that have, you know, 665 00:55:36.360 --> 00:55:40.760 adopted Christian principles and have been faithful to them have tended to do very 666 00:55:40.760 --> 00:55:45.039 well. I think that's one of the strong points of Western civilization, and 667 00:55:45.079 --> 00:55:49.960 why it did do well was that it had this foundation, It had this 668 00:55:50.000 --> 00:55:55.920 ethic, it has had this moral and so while there is no perfect ultimate 669 00:55:55.960 --> 00:56:00.280 promise that you know you're going to have, like prosperity preachers tell you, 670 00:56:00.360 --> 00:56:05.280 like like on TBN that if you give five dollars, you're going to get 671 00:56:05.280 --> 00:56:10.360 the tenfold blessing of five hundred dollars back. You know, if that's the 672 00:56:10.480 --> 00:56:15.920 expectation, then like you said, the mindset's wrong. The mindset needs to 673 00:56:15.000 --> 00:56:19.440 be well, I wait a minute. You know, if God is the 674 00:56:19.480 --> 00:56:22.760 god of the universe, then he probably knows what's going on better than I 675 00:56:22.800 --> 00:56:27.239 do. Right. It's kind of like the exchange that goes on in the 676 00:56:27.239 --> 00:56:30.719 Book of Job because Joe has Yeah, Job has similar questions about like, 677 00:56:30.960 --> 00:56:35.639 well, why are the wicked prospering? Why if I've been righteous, am 678 00:56:35.679 --> 00:56:37.320 I you know, sick with boils all over? My skin, and my 679 00:56:37.360 --> 00:56:40.760 wife wants to leave me, and I'm having all these issues and that's not 680 00:56:40.880 --> 00:56:45.960 fair. And then after all of that, Job ends up because he remains 681 00:56:45.960 --> 00:56:50.280 faithful, blessed even more than before. And in Job's case, it's not 682 00:56:50.320 --> 00:56:53.400 just spiritful, it's also actual temporal blessings. So you know, God can 683 00:56:53.840 --> 00:56:59.599 dole out the blessings as he sees fit, and he does at times put 684 00:56:59.679 --> 00:57:05.440 us through trials and tribulations to strengthen us and to weed out those that are 685 00:57:05.599 --> 00:57:07.960 just there for you know, a quick box, just there for the here 686 00:57:08.000 --> 00:57:14.320 and the now. So yeah, I think I think that's that's the lesson 687 00:57:14.320 --> 00:57:19.000 that we're supposed to get from the Caine enable story, which is that Caine's 688 00:57:19.039 --> 00:57:23.920 heart and his mindset was wrong. Yeah. And I watched the video you 689 00:57:23.960 --> 00:57:28.960 were you were talking about you were looking at that book. You that you 690 00:57:29.079 --> 00:57:32.199 just put up the fire in the minds of it, was firing the minds 691 00:57:32.239 --> 00:57:37.760 of sorry for out the name of it. Yeah, fire in the minds 692 00:57:37.760 --> 00:57:39.800 of men. You were speaking about him, and but you were also talking 693 00:57:39.800 --> 00:57:44.400 about Plato and you and you were talking you said that Flato was a communist 694 00:57:44.920 --> 00:57:46.559 and that was very interesting, and I want to ask you about that later 695 00:57:46.599 --> 00:57:50.880 on. But I also think that, and that was quite a while ago, 696 00:57:51.159 --> 00:57:53.480 but I think that the at and tell me what you think about this. 697 00:57:54.679 --> 00:58:00.679 I think Cain was the first communist ever in history. And I'll explain 698 00:58:00.760 --> 00:58:06.639 that. I'll try to explain that because if you look at the story Cain 699 00:58:06.880 --> 00:58:13.960 and Abel, and now it doesn't come out and say that one's sacrifices, 700 00:58:14.400 --> 00:58:19.679 one sacrifices was better than the other. And there are some conservatives will who 701 00:58:19.679 --> 00:58:23.760 will argue that, well, well, Abel was, he was, it 702 00:58:23.800 --> 00:58:28.760 was a blood sacrifice and Caine was doing something that wasn't, and they'll try 703 00:58:28.800 --> 00:58:35.320 to argue it or whatever. But I think that the spirit of the that 704 00:58:35.480 --> 00:58:40.800 revolutionary Marxist communist spirit first manifested itself in the Book of Genesis with Cain. 705 00:58:42.039 --> 00:58:46.719 Because Abel was putting. Obviously he was doing something right, and we get 706 00:58:46.719 --> 00:58:51.320 a hint that he did something right because God said, if thou doest well, 707 00:58:51.519 --> 00:58:54.079 shall not not be expected. So we can infer that Abel was doing 708 00:58:54.159 --> 00:59:01.360 well and Cain wasn't. Cain was expecting the same outcome. Caine was the 709 00:59:01.400 --> 00:59:10.960 spirit that wanted equality of outcome. He wanted the fruits of his brother's labor, 710 00:59:12.920 --> 00:59:16.440 and that spirit manifested itself at that point, and that's what we're seeing 711 00:59:16.960 --> 00:59:22.400 play out today. Well, someone who put in the work, who saved 712 00:59:22.400 --> 00:59:25.800 their money, who didn't drink every week, drink and party and go out 713 00:59:25.840 --> 00:59:31.199 every single weekend, who didn't sleep with women, and whoever they wanted to 714 00:59:31.239 --> 00:59:37.199 sleep with. I put in the work. I studied, why should this 715 00:59:37.400 --> 00:59:45.639 other kid get the same level of opportunity as the Asian kid when the black 716 00:59:45.719 --> 00:59:49.000 kid or even the white kid in this And it's just because white kids are 717 00:59:49.079 --> 00:59:53.119 betting, white kids are getting just their applications are getting tossed at the expense 718 00:59:53.239 --> 00:59:58.760 of minorities and the expense of other people because of this whole woke stuff going 719 00:59:58.800 --> 01:00:05.239 on right now. But they want He wanted an equality of outcome. And 720 01:00:05.400 --> 01:00:08.960 I think that that story is is important. And you made the connection with 721 01:00:09.159 --> 01:00:13.599 Job because it's like when Job was, you know, confessing to God, 722 01:00:14.159 --> 01:00:16.440 what are we doing? And the whole thing was literally a test to see 723 01:00:17.480 --> 01:00:22.480 his faith in God. And he says to Job, you know, and 724 01:00:22.559 --> 01:00:24.320 this is a verse that's always stuck with me. He said, where were 725 01:00:24.400 --> 01:00:30.320 you when I lay with the foundations upon the earth? So Job was bitching 726 01:00:30.360 --> 01:00:38.840 about his problems, and Cain was complaining about his problems, and people nowadays 727 01:00:38.880 --> 01:00:44.039 are complaining about their problems. I complain about my problems. But then in 728 01:00:44.239 --> 01:00:46.400 every instance, when it happened to Job, when happened in Genesis, that 729 01:00:46.679 --> 01:00:53.039 paternal spirit then manifests itself and it says, basically says something like, well, 730 01:00:53.079 --> 01:00:57.760 who the hell are you anyway? Where did you get this idea that 731 01:00:59.559 --> 01:01:01.280 the world the world does not revolve around you? Where did you get this 732 01:01:01.480 --> 01:01:08.000 idea that you were promised some sort of you were promised some sort of reward. 733 01:01:08.880 --> 01:01:14.480 Yeah, God said y'all shall be accepted, never said you were going 734 01:01:14.559 --> 01:01:17.920 to get a made back. So I think when people can look at that 735 01:01:19.079 --> 01:01:22.920 story in that kind of sense, I really do think that he was the 736 01:01:23.360 --> 01:01:31.079 He was a manifestation of that of that Marxist ethos because spirit dy and I've 737 01:01:31.159 --> 01:01:37.440 always thought Marxism is grounded on envy, right, that it's not fair I 738 01:01:37.679 --> 01:01:45.679 deserve what they've got, We all deserve equality, But ironically that's actually greed, 739 01:01:46.119 --> 01:01:50.639 Like if you want what other people have, if you're envious, you're 740 01:01:50.639 --> 01:01:53.840 actually engaging in greed. But Marxism pretends to want to get rid of greed. 741 01:01:54.039 --> 01:01:57.719 Right, So it's actually based I think you're right that, I mean, 742 01:01:57.840 --> 01:02:01.199 kine is the sin of envy, right, because ultimately that dialogue becomes 743 01:02:01.239 --> 01:02:06.159 a question of well, do you love your brother? And he says, 744 01:02:06.719 --> 01:02:08.960 and my my brother's keeper. In other words, I'm not responsible for him. 745 01:02:08.960 --> 01:02:14.960 I don't care about him. It's about me. So that movement towards 746 01:02:15.079 --> 01:02:20.480 self worship, that movement towards like you're saying, n V greed, that 747 01:02:20.760 --> 01:02:23.639 is the spirit of communism. I think that's a that's a very insightful point. 748 01:02:24.519 --> 01:02:30.280 So speaking of that, we might as well go into that because I 749 01:02:30.320 --> 01:02:31.679 really, I really did. You've now you've done a lot of work on 750 01:02:32.239 --> 01:02:37.360 Marxist ideology and Marx and Hegel and you know, you've done a ton of 751 01:02:37.400 --> 01:02:45.760 analyzes on that, and something that was something that really always bothered me about 752 01:02:45.159 --> 01:02:52.480 the whole Marxist thing is that, And I want to know your opinion on 753 01:02:52.559 --> 01:02:57.559 this. Now, if you look at the actual revolution where people were really 754 01:02:57.760 --> 01:03:02.400 like going in the streets and they were like really like causing havoc, like 755 01:03:02.800 --> 01:03:07.960 during the seventeen that nineteen seventeen right where they were like actually they were really 756 01:03:08.000 --> 01:03:14.079 about that life, and I think that that kind of and then rugging Marxism 757 01:03:14.199 --> 01:03:17.599 came about with people like I think his name was rams Shee, who then 758 01:03:19.719 --> 01:03:23.239 insisted that this sort of like milk toast Marxism that Karl Marx puts forward, 759 01:03:23.280 --> 01:03:25.480 that's not enough. There needs to be we need to take in the action, 760 01:03:25.599 --> 01:03:28.159 we need to take in the streets, we need, we need to 761 01:03:28.199 --> 01:03:30.760 get into the schools. And then that led to critical theory and critical race 762 01:03:30.840 --> 01:03:37.480 theory and what have you. I think a lot of people like to latch 763 01:03:37.639 --> 01:03:43.079 themselves on to Marxism as like an identity, as like a I'm in this, 764 01:03:43.280 --> 01:03:47.119 I'm in this club, not like but they're not actually like about it. 765 01:03:47.320 --> 01:03:52.800 They don't really believe like to each according to with the ability for each 766 01:03:52.800 --> 01:03:54.760 according to his need. They really don't are not really about that life. 767 01:03:54.800 --> 01:04:00.400 They just want to be seen in this group of people who are just the 768 01:04:00.039 --> 01:04:05.159 adversarial spirits. There's a group of people who are just resentful and they're jealous 769 01:04:05.239 --> 01:04:10.480 and they want they want the fruits of other people's labor. Now, now 770 01:04:10.559 --> 01:04:15.760 the question is why do you think I and I have an answer to this, 771 01:04:15.880 --> 01:04:18.039 but why do you think particularly is with the youth, because you really 772 01:04:18.039 --> 01:04:20.639 don't see a lot of and if you do see a lot of adults, 773 01:04:20.960 --> 01:04:25.360 it's more in a more discreete type of way. They're more like kind of 774 01:04:25.480 --> 01:04:29.760 classic socialists. They don't really believe that you know what most mind, yours 775 01:04:29.880 --> 01:04:33.039 was yours mind. They just probably want the rich people to pay higher taxes 776 01:04:33.079 --> 01:04:38.000 and they probably would like to see, you know, more universal basic health 777 01:04:38.199 --> 01:04:41.960 care systems in place. They're not really like, they're not they're not really 778 01:04:42.039 --> 01:04:45.159 trying to like invade your per They don't they don't not believe in private property. 779 01:04:45.480 --> 01:04:49.920 So why do you think it's the youth particular who are so driven towards 780 01:04:49.960 --> 01:04:55.320 these ideologies? And what do you think? What do you think why do 781 01:04:55.400 --> 01:05:00.840 you think Marxists in those ideologies, period, gender identity, these ideas ideologies 782 01:05:00.039 --> 01:05:05.719 in total? Why do you think it's drawing the youth so much? I 783 01:05:05.840 --> 01:05:15.000 think that that's kind of an easy question to answer, because youth are idealistic, 784 01:05:15.199 --> 01:05:18.519 and so when you're young, you don't have enough life experience yet to 785 01:05:18.639 --> 01:05:26.280 be able to distance yourself from ideology. You get very wrapped up into ideology 786 01:05:26.960 --> 01:05:30.639 because you're still young, your mind is still forming, you're still very susceptible 787 01:05:30.760 --> 01:05:36.760 to living in your mind and believing that the thing that's going on in your 788 01:05:36.840 --> 01:05:41.320 head that you can map that onto the external world. So you believe a 789 01:05:41.360 --> 01:05:45.360 lot of dumb stuff when you're young, and it's not until you get about 790 01:05:45.599 --> 01:05:49.480 over age thirty or forty that you really start to I think, in a 791 01:05:49.559 --> 01:05:58.719 lot of ways develop some wisdom beyond just ideology and being idealistic. And you 792 01:05:58.800 --> 01:06:00.639 know, you might have a lot of knowledge, but you still don't have 793 01:06:00.880 --> 01:06:04.599 wisdom. And you know, you talked about that earlier about we were kind 794 01:06:04.639 --> 01:06:08.880 of hint hinting about you know, what's the difference between you know, the 795 01:06:08.960 --> 01:06:13.079 fear of the Lord's the beginning of wisdom. So people can have a lot 796 01:06:13.159 --> 01:06:17.320 of knowledge and be fools, right, because knowledge is just retaining a lot 797 01:06:17.360 --> 01:06:20.559 of facts, knowing a lot of information. And you could use that to 798 01:06:21.199 --> 01:06:24.920 I call that though, that's the well rounded fold. That's kind of like 799 01:06:25.320 --> 01:06:30.079 the motif of my whole entire work. But go ahead, oh there you 800 01:06:30.159 --> 01:06:33.719 go, right, So, and I think biblically speaking, wisdom, you 801 01:06:33.800 --> 01:06:38.559 know, embodied inn't say the person of Solomon or ultimately in the person of 802 01:06:38.639 --> 01:06:44.920 Christ as personified wisdom. You have the application of the knowledge in the appropriate 803 01:06:45.000 --> 01:06:49.159 way. Usually knowledge the right way is what wisdom is, and so young 804 01:06:49.239 --> 01:06:54.960 people don't have wisdom typically, and we're all that way. So I think 805 01:06:55.400 --> 01:07:01.880 very machiavellian and manipulative people who run movement, who fund movements, who are 806 01:07:01.960 --> 01:07:06.599 social engineers or technocrats, or people at you know, the Brazinski level, 807 01:07:06.719 --> 01:07:15.960 the Kissinger level. These kinds of figures are intelligent enough and cunny enough that 808 01:07:15.280 --> 01:07:19.840 they know that these kinds of movements and groups and ideologies can be manipulated. 809 01:07:20.400 --> 01:07:26.239 And so it's absolutely essential then to target and try to capture the mind and 810 01:07:26.320 --> 01:07:30.159 the energy, the zeal of the youth, because that's when you have the 811 01:07:30.320 --> 01:07:33.280 energy to do all the activism and to be all wrapped up in this stuff. 812 01:07:34.039 --> 01:07:38.840 And you know, that's unfortunately the way these kinds of movements work, 813 01:07:38.920 --> 01:07:43.400 because as you get older, you realize all that crap I believed about living 814 01:07:43.440 --> 01:07:46.480 in a commune is not actually that much fun. Because I'm thirty, I'm 815 01:07:46.480 --> 01:07:50.559 ready to have my own soap and towel and bathroom. I'm tired of sharing 816 01:07:50.599 --> 01:07:55.800 it with ten other people. It's getting nasty in here. Maybe I want 817 01:07:55.840 --> 01:07:59.119 to start my own business and as you get older and you decide you want 818 01:07:59.119 --> 01:08:00.840 to have your own business, your own house, all of that crap you 819 01:08:00.920 --> 01:08:08.000 were spouting in your twenties about universal based skincome and everybody living in some socialist 820 01:08:08.239 --> 01:08:12.280 paradise. It doesn't. It's not as fun as you thought. And you 821 01:08:12.400 --> 01:08:15.600 wise up, so you get older and you gain wisdom. And I think 822 01:08:15.840 --> 01:08:23.119 those are the obvious kind of reasons why real Marxism appeals to the youth. 823 01:08:23.760 --> 01:08:28.159 We know this in the Cultural Revolution, the malfocused on the youth because you 824 01:08:28.279 --> 01:08:30.760 turned the energy of the youth against the older generation to get rid of all 825 01:08:30.800 --> 01:08:35.079 the Chinese traditions. So it was very useful in that way. That's I 826 01:08:35.119 --> 01:08:40.840 think the most most obvious reason why it's a very powerful If you can grab 827 01:08:40.920 --> 01:08:45.079 the energy of the youth, you can turn that to a lot of culture 828 01:08:45.159 --> 01:08:50.680 destruction and culture warfare. Kids do have, like that a disabundant source of 829 01:08:51.760 --> 01:08:57.399 because they're just naturally explored. If they need a call to action, and 830 01:08:57.880 --> 01:09:02.680 that call to action can be hijacking. That call to action could be towards 831 01:09:02.760 --> 01:09:08.760 the good or or can go towards the bad. And I also think Marxism. 832 01:09:09.199 --> 01:09:12.960 Gary North has a good book on Necessary says that Marxism was successful in 833 01:09:14.119 --> 01:09:18.760 giving people something that a lot of the other atheistic ideologies couldn't have and didn't 834 01:09:18.800 --> 01:09:24.840 have. It gave people a past, a story, a present, a 835 01:09:25.000 --> 01:09:28.680 means of action, and something to believe in, a participate in, and 836 01:09:28.760 --> 01:09:33.560 an eschatology. And so Gary North actually argues that Marx's religion of revolution is 837 01:09:33.800 --> 01:09:40.760 an imminentized atheistic version of Christianity, where the millennium, the end time, 838 01:09:41.720 --> 01:09:45.319 you know, escaton is just put into this world of a supposed future, 839 01:09:45.479 --> 01:09:50.840 you know, workers paradise, libertarian, withering of the state, technocratic, 840 01:09:51.520 --> 01:09:57.560 utopia, however you want to formulate it. It was successful because of a 841 01:09:57.600 --> 01:10:04.039 replacement religion. And that's that's an interesting point because one of the hallmarks of 842 01:10:04.159 --> 01:10:10.760 postumatic stress disorder is that level of it is the level of ancient anxious, 843 01:10:10.880 --> 01:10:14.960 like that anxious feeling of not under not understanding the surroundings. And Paul Tiller 844 01:10:15.000 --> 01:10:18.239 wrote a really good book about The Courage to Be how he described it as 845 01:10:18.359 --> 01:10:25.199 pathological anxiety. So that's so he described that as being in an anxious state 846 01:10:26.000 --> 01:10:30.920 and not accepting the fact that you're in an ancient state and there's you know 847 01:10:30.079 --> 01:10:36.119 psychological arguments I could make about that, but I like his notion of pathological 848 01:10:36.199 --> 01:10:43.840 anxiety because that ties to how post traumatic stress disorder begins to manifest itself over 849 01:10:43.880 --> 01:10:47.000 a long period of time. That that that feeling of not knowing where you 850 01:10:47.199 --> 01:10:54.319 are and not having a clear road map of what has happened in the past 851 01:10:55.199 --> 01:11:01.239 where you are now in the future, describing put aligning your life because it 852 01:11:01.319 --> 01:11:04.520 happens. Our life happens in moments, and it happens in days, it 853 01:11:04.520 --> 01:11:10.960 happens in months and then years and then decades, and we need that coherent 854 01:11:11.359 --> 01:11:15.399 story to tell ourselves so we can have so we can stay at equilibrium. 855 01:11:15.880 --> 01:11:24.359 And when something punctures that story, that triggers the court, that triggers of 856 01:11:24.840 --> 01:11:29.079 thor of things, but that triggers an anxious state, it triggers the cortosol 857 01:11:29.159 --> 01:11:32.600 levels begin to begin to increase. And I don't understand what has just happened. 858 01:11:32.640 --> 01:11:39.439 So something traumatic happening means that I do not understand how to place this. 859 01:11:40.000 --> 01:11:44.039 If you look at this as a look there's a PhD in form I 860 01:11:44.079 --> 01:11:46.760 don't know how to place this into my schema. Something happened and I don't 861 01:11:46.800 --> 01:11:51.840 understand. And if you look back and where Marxists and where this ideology began 862 01:11:51.920 --> 01:11:56.800 to arise, it was after the war. It was when Germany was in 863 01:11:56.960 --> 01:12:00.439 ruins, and it was when people didn't understand where to go. So and 864 01:12:00.600 --> 01:12:06.920 the leaders in the intellectuals grat and just like how Chairman maldd He grabbed, 865 01:12:08.079 --> 01:12:12.319 he took advantage of that, and Hitler and everyone else. It took advantage 866 01:12:12.439 --> 01:12:17.199 of that period of time where people did not understand their past because it's literally 867 01:12:17.479 --> 01:12:20.760 was destroyed. They don't understand what's going on now because we don't have any 868 01:12:20.840 --> 01:12:26.319 prime ministers. Everyone's dead, we just signed this treaty. Our military is 869 01:12:26.359 --> 01:12:29.680 limited to one hundred thousand people. We are literally in billions of dollars in 870 01:12:29.760 --> 01:12:31.399 debt. We don't know what to do, and there is no future because 871 01:12:31.399 --> 01:12:35.279 we don't know where we're going. They class on to that and they were 872 01:12:35.319 --> 01:12:41.479 able to manipulate that. So I like the fact that you said that author 873 01:12:41.560 --> 01:12:46.000 said that people clapse onto Marxism because it gives them. It's literally a it's 874 01:12:46.079 --> 01:12:56.239 literally a form of therapy because they are attacking themselves to a story so they 875 01:12:56.279 --> 01:13:00.600 can have a past, a present, and then the future and if you 876 01:13:00.760 --> 01:13:06.319 notice closely with the radical types, they're they're they're they have a very high 877 01:13:06.520 --> 01:13:15.600 verbal acuity. They can they can articulate. They have no problem articulating why 878 01:13:15.840 --> 01:13:24.279 Marxism works. They think that Marxism, I can explain how it works, 879 01:13:25.159 --> 01:13:29.920 that means that we ought to do it. If I can explain the benefits 880 01:13:30.680 --> 01:13:35.279 of how this system works, if I can just convince you these words, 881 01:13:35.359 --> 01:13:39.439 if I can just say these words, if I can prove how you were 882 01:13:39.479 --> 01:13:45.439 wrong, that means that we ought to implement the system, and they don't 883 01:13:45.520 --> 01:13:49.199 know how to. So that is the result of them having this That's what 884 01:13:49.319 --> 01:13:55.920 the ideology is. It's a form of knowledge that has decayed and refuses to 885 01:13:56.560 --> 01:14:01.000 update itself to the new world, to what's actually happening. They have a 886 01:14:02.039 --> 01:14:05.920 system, they have a schema that they refuse to update. And Pha would 887 01:14:05.920 --> 01:14:13.279 look at that as a developmental like as a developmental problem, like you're like 888 01:14:13.359 --> 01:14:18.319 an arrested development yeah, and and Freud would look at that as a level 889 01:14:18.399 --> 01:14:27.439 of developmental fixation. You're so you are you are not updating your present schema 890 01:14:27.600 --> 01:14:30.840 to the future. They think that they can just explain it. And something 891 01:14:30.880 --> 01:14:34.439 I've always realized is always with the if you ever encounter one on Twitter, 892 01:14:34.640 --> 01:14:40.239 they're highly uh, they really like to live on Twitter. Those trolls. 893 01:14:40.279 --> 01:14:43.800 They think that if they can just if I can just like convince you, 894 01:14:44.119 --> 01:14:47.199 I can just show you how it's right, then they make that jump from 895 01:14:48.399 --> 01:14:54.159 this can exist on this piece of paper and then they say so they make 896 01:14:54.239 --> 01:14:56.560 that jump, It's like, Okay, well I just proved to you that 897 01:14:56.720 --> 01:15:01.119 this is how Marxism could work. It's like, okay, it doesn't. 898 01:15:01.479 --> 01:15:08.920 Nowhere in that does that suggest that these policies are this or this that means 899 01:15:08.960 --> 01:15:12.439 that we ought to make that jump, And that's site that just goes back 900 01:15:12.479 --> 01:15:16.239 to human just because it is. You can't derive the art from the is, 901 01:15:16.720 --> 01:15:20.479 and they make that leap. And that's something that's always puzzled me because 902 01:15:20.479 --> 01:15:25.560 I'm like, how are these people, How do they not understand that they're 903 01:15:25.600 --> 01:15:29.479 making that leap just because you can prove that something, especially if you're talking 904 01:15:29.479 --> 01:15:32.840 about something like a worldwide economic system that you're trying to implement. If you're 905 01:15:32.840 --> 01:15:38.560 saying that this could work if we just give everyone this universal salary here, 906 01:15:38.800 --> 01:15:41.960 and if we just subsidize this, if we just take away this. If 907 01:15:42.000 --> 01:15:45.159 we just put this, then that would work, because oh that didn't work 908 01:15:45.319 --> 01:15:46.920 because Stalin and Lenin didn't do that right. And if they were to do 909 01:15:47.079 --> 01:15:54.840 this, they have that idealistic, perfect painting of what Marxism should be. 910 01:15:55.600 --> 01:16:02.199 The doctrine itself is unerring. It's perfect. That is their god. This 911 01:16:02.439 --> 01:16:09.199 is perfect. This is the perfect doctrine of Marxism. And anything that deviates 912 01:16:09.239 --> 01:16:15.960 from this isn't a result of isn't a result of the failure of this doctrine. 913 01:16:15.119 --> 01:16:19.279 It's the result. It's the failure of you. It's the failure of 914 01:16:19.479 --> 01:16:26.880 the leaders to do it properly. Have you ever realized that they always make 915 01:16:26.960 --> 01:16:30.600 they always disassociate the failings of their ideology. They do that with people, 916 01:16:30.640 --> 01:16:35.279 They do that with de transitioners as well. The doctrine of gender ideology is 917 01:16:35.439 --> 01:16:41.399 sound. That that exists. Now, if you happen to Jay, if 918 01:16:41.439 --> 01:16:45.840 you happen to you know, cut your wee we off and you didn't like 919 01:16:45.920 --> 01:16:47.439 it, now you wanted to go back, Well, that's just because you 920 01:16:47.760 --> 01:16:51.119 didn't transition, right, That's just because it happened to you. It's not 921 01:16:51.199 --> 01:16:59.399 a Vegans have this thing of like if you were malnourished in trying to be 922 01:16:59.479 --> 01:17:01.720 a vegan, and you kept quit being a vegan. It's because you didn't 923 01:17:01.760 --> 01:17:06.560 do it right. It's a religious commitment divorced from reality. Yeah, I've 924 01:17:06.600 --> 01:17:13.159 always seen that because it's something very is literally like a religion. It's literally 925 01:17:13.199 --> 01:17:18.279 their religion. Wow. Yeah. I wrote an essay about how this manifests 926 01:17:18.359 --> 01:17:25.359 within even the Orthodox world, with people who spurg out in the Orthodox world. 927 01:17:25.960 --> 01:17:30.840 But it applies to evangelicals, it applies to people in any kind of 928 01:17:30.880 --> 01:17:36.119 situation where like a traditional Catholicism that's very obsessed with medieval scholasticism, where people 929 01:17:38.560 --> 01:17:45.800 have personality traits that are unstable, that manifest in these bizarre, sort of 930 01:17:45.279 --> 01:17:51.199 overly zealous ways that actually show exactly I mean, I'm not a huge Freudian, 931 01:17:51.279 --> 01:17:56.199 but the point that freud you were citing about actually makes perfect sense. 932 01:17:56.279 --> 01:18:00.720 That the fixation actually is a manifestation of a lack of maturity of the person's 933 01:18:00.960 --> 01:18:08.199 uh, the person properly developing and being integrated as a person. They're arrested 934 01:18:08.239 --> 01:18:15.079 at this point of obsession over you know, some sort of bizarre minutia of 935 01:18:15.439 --> 01:18:23.000 you know, philosophy or theology or religion or medieval Scholassicism that doesn't actually affect 936 01:18:23.039 --> 01:18:27.319 their day to day life, but they're they're married to this idea that they've 937 01:18:27.399 --> 01:18:30.359 created as to what the perfect religion is, and it's in their head and 938 01:18:30.359 --> 01:18:33.840 they're sort of the champions of that perfect religion. So it's a weird form 939 01:18:33.920 --> 01:18:39.720 of what Orthodoxy calls prelst, which is where you have this delusion that much 940 01:18:40.319 --> 01:18:44.760 prelest p r e l e s T. It's the Orthodox idea of it. 941 01:18:45.079 --> 01:18:49.079 It's spiritual delusion that basically, you know, the fanaticism that we see 942 01:18:49.119 --> 01:18:53.279 that they can occur in any in any group. It's not just Orthodox or 943 01:18:53.359 --> 01:18:57.960 Roman Catholic or Evangelical. I mean, you can have bizarre fanaticisms anywhere. 944 01:18:58.079 --> 01:19:05.279 And it's usually a kind of delusion of the person building themselves up into something 945 01:19:05.359 --> 01:19:10.760 that they're not in order to kind of hype themselves up that they are that 946 01:19:10.960 --> 01:19:15.399 thing. Right, So if my idea, my ideal is to be you 947 01:19:15.479 --> 01:19:20.800 know, a kind of a saint or a holy person or even like Jesus 948 01:19:20.880 --> 01:19:27.359 or something like that, then I create and I pump myself up as if 949 01:19:27.439 --> 01:19:30.640 I'm that, and then I get more and more lost in this delusion, 950 01:19:30.680 --> 01:19:33.800 and I even kind of think that I am this living saint and I'm acting 951 01:19:33.880 --> 01:19:40.039 in a way that is totally divorced from the reality. And so it's a 952 01:19:40.159 --> 01:19:45.640 kind of a vicious cycle because then the person basically excludes all evidence to the 953 01:19:45.720 --> 01:19:49.399 contrary that would disprove that they're hearing that God's speaking to them, right, 954 01:19:49.560 --> 01:19:55.479 or something like that, Like all the evidence that would prove that God is 955 01:19:55.600 --> 01:19:58.920 not speaking to them to be a prophet or something like this, Right, 956 01:19:59.520 --> 01:20:04.039 that's gluted because they've already fixed the system and their their their mental system, 957 01:20:04.079 --> 01:20:10.399 their schema, such that all that evidence is discounted from the outset. And 958 01:20:10.560 --> 01:20:15.680 so basically this is a version of what we call philosophy unfalsifiability, and Marxism 959 01:20:15.800 --> 01:20:20.800 has famously been critiqued as an unfalsifiable system because, for example, if someone 960 01:20:20.840 --> 01:20:26.479 critiques Marxism, then the Marxists can say, well, all critiques of Marxism 961 01:20:26.600 --> 01:20:30.800 come from a place of being a bourgeoisie, so you have bourgeois if you 962 01:20:30.880 --> 01:20:35.960 critique Marxism, that's bourgeois. Therefore it's discounted because we discount everything bois so 963 01:20:38.319 --> 01:20:44.600 it's unfalsifiable. But actually unfalsifiable systems are the ones that are the weakest, 964 01:20:45.319 --> 01:20:50.600 because for a system to have to erect this fail safe trick mechanism where the 965 01:20:50.680 --> 01:20:56.840 system is unfalsifiable is just a manifestation showing that it's actually a really weak system. 966 01:20:57.279 --> 01:21:00.479 It's not just systems, it's also individuals who act like this as if 967 01:21:00.520 --> 01:21:05.680 their world views are unfalsifiable. In these little trick ways are manifesting their own 968 01:21:05.880 --> 01:21:13.479 individual weak psychees and weak fragile status. Just as much as an idea can 969 01:21:13.560 --> 01:21:17.239 be an ideology can be uh, it can show his weakness through unfalsifiability. 970 01:21:17.880 --> 01:21:27.800 Yeah. Well, Jay an Hour a great fat man. I really I'd 971 01:21:27.840 --> 01:21:30.800 like to have you on my podcast sometimes You've got a good grounding there. 972 01:21:31.439 --> 01:21:35.640 Great. I want to ask you one last question before before we go. 973 01:21:36.800 --> 01:21:42.119 I have this quote. My ask my last guest, John Ravaki, what 974 01:21:42.199 --> 01:21:44.399 he thought about it. I think I want to turn this into like I 975 01:21:44.439 --> 01:21:46.359 want to know because it's a it's a quote, you know, just I 976 01:21:46.479 --> 01:21:50.239 kind of live bias. It's a playto quote. He said, wise men 977 01:21:50.359 --> 01:21:56.199 speaks because he has something to say, fools, because he has to say 978 01:21:56.239 --> 01:22:00.560 something. And I've always tell myself that especially on Twitter. You know, 979 01:22:01.199 --> 01:22:04.039 do I have do I have to say something? Do I have to comment 980 01:22:04.680 --> 01:22:11.119 on this issue? Or do I just do I just want to participate, 981 01:22:11.920 --> 01:22:15.439 And so I want to ask you, you know, what do you think 982 01:22:15.439 --> 01:22:19.760 about that quote? And not to you know, get to sidetracked with what's 983 01:22:19.800 --> 01:22:23.920 going on, especially in the world right now. I felt as if I 984 01:22:24.600 --> 01:22:28.920 didn't want to comment on, you know, certain things in certain parts of 985 01:22:29.000 --> 01:22:33.079 the world because I feel as if I just wanted to. I just had 986 01:22:33.119 --> 01:22:38.680 to say something about it. So I wanted to know of what do you 987 01:22:38.840 --> 01:22:44.159 think about that quote? And do you want to maybe I should just come 988 01:22:44.199 --> 01:22:47.239 out with it. Do you want to see peace with what obviously what's going 989 01:22:47.279 --> 01:22:49.640 on in the Middle East right now? Because I want to. I want 990 01:22:49.680 --> 01:22:53.000 to talk about it. I want to. I didn't want to go there 991 01:22:53.039 --> 01:22:55.680 on the podcast because I'll just go off in that because I don't know enough 992 01:22:55.720 --> 01:22:59.880 about it. But what's going on in the world right now, just using 993 01:22:59.880 --> 01:23:03.920 the Middle easta for an example, how do you think people can benefit from 994 01:23:04.079 --> 01:23:10.520 that Plato quote wise man speaks because he has something to say, and in 995 01:23:10.640 --> 01:23:14.840 fools because they have to say something because looking be on the outside looking in 996 01:23:15.439 --> 01:23:20.119 I feel as if I would argue ninety percent of people, not just about 997 01:23:20.239 --> 01:23:25.159 the Middle East, but just topics period, are just speaking because they have 998 01:23:25.399 --> 01:23:30.279 to say something. How important is it to withhold judgment and to be just 999 01:23:30.359 --> 01:23:35.640 to look at things objectively? Yeah, I totally agree with that, And 1000 01:23:35.720 --> 01:23:42.239 it's very applicable to the situation because most people just react and they react in 1001 01:23:42.319 --> 01:23:46.840 an emotional way based on this or that piece of information or propaganda even and 1002 01:23:47.000 --> 01:23:50.000 so you know, propaganda's intended to do that. It's intended to get you 1003 01:23:50.119 --> 01:23:55.399 to just react, shut off your critical thinking skills and react. And it's 1004 01:23:55.439 --> 01:23:58.960 also something that again we're more susceptible to when we're young. We're a lot 1005 01:23:59.000 --> 01:24:03.239 more emotional. We haven't learn, especially if we're dudes. When we're younger, 1006 01:24:03.960 --> 01:24:08.159 we're a lot easier to rile up, and we're not level headed. 1007 01:24:08.239 --> 01:24:12.359 We don't we don't learn. We haven't learned yet typically to control our emotions 1008 01:24:12.520 --> 01:24:15.760 and to think through situations. And that's something that again you learn as you 1009 01:24:15.800 --> 01:24:20.880 get older, when you gain wisdom hopefully. So one thing I did was 1010 01:24:21.079 --> 01:24:28.600 I did an hour long history of the Middle East, trying to get people 1011 01:24:28.640 --> 01:24:30.359 who were interested. I mean, I don't have any delusions that I'm going 1012 01:24:30.439 --> 01:24:33.520 to like bring peace to the Middle East or anything like that. But for 1013 01:24:33.640 --> 01:24:41.720 people that are interested in you know what, huh, I just try to 1014 01:24:41.800 --> 01:24:45.000 bring some historical knowledge to the situation so that we can hopefully achieve what you 1015 01:24:45.119 --> 01:24:49.399 talked about, which is more objectivity and not getting wrapped up in this or 1016 01:24:49.439 --> 01:24:54.439 that. You know, I think that you get into the history of it. 1017 01:24:54.560 --> 01:24:58.840 Both sides were actually promised things by the British Empire, and they were 1018 01:24:59.079 --> 01:25:03.000 placed there as an outpost, and they had the British ember had a goal 1019 01:25:03.119 --> 01:25:06.720 for that situation, and it ended up not going the way the British wanted, 1020 01:25:06.800 --> 01:25:11.800 and so it became this powder keg. And so you know, there's 1021 01:25:11.800 --> 01:25:15.159 a lot of Orthodox Christians that are in Gaza. Uh So, you know, 1022 01:25:15.479 --> 01:25:20.880 we support them, we don't want them to be you know, destroyed. 1023 01:25:20.920 --> 01:25:25.159 But at the same time, the people that are in Israel have been 1024 01:25:25.199 --> 01:25:29.119 there for a few generations. Now it's not their fault that they're there. 1025 01:25:29.880 --> 01:25:32.479 Uh So it's understandable that you know that. Anyway, I don't want to 1026 01:25:32.479 --> 01:25:34.279 get into all that issue. I did a whole video on this point. 1027 01:25:34.279 --> 01:25:39.159 If people want the watch to go to go watch my hour long video that 1028 01:25:39.239 --> 01:25:41.479 I did on this on my YouTube channel. Half of it is for free, 1029 01:25:41.520 --> 01:25:44.680 the other halfs behind the paywall, but I go into all the history 1030 01:25:44.680 --> 01:25:47.600 of it and get my analysis. But yeah, I think absolutely it would 1031 01:25:47.600 --> 01:25:54.800 be nice if we could study and learn this stuff before we just react, 1032 01:25:54.840 --> 01:25:57.479 because I guarantee a ninety nine for some of the people out there don't know 1033 01:25:57.560 --> 01:26:00.720 the history of Palestine and the British I don't. And one thing that I 1034 01:26:00.840 --> 01:26:03.920 really want to see. I mean, I know it sounds cliche, but 1035 01:26:04.039 --> 01:26:08.720 I really I don't want to be that. I asked that because you know, 1036 01:26:08.920 --> 01:26:12.600 I'm I have a small platform as anywhere as big as yours or anyone 1037 01:26:12.640 --> 01:26:18.159 else's, but I never want to I have people at my disposal who listen 1038 01:26:18.279 --> 01:26:21.439 to me, like, who care about what I'm saying. And I've just 1039 01:26:21.560 --> 01:26:26.800 seen multiple people, multiple accounts, and gladly you weren't one of those people 1040 01:26:26.800 --> 01:26:30.039 in the category who've just been using their platforms this past couple of weeks just 1041 01:26:30.159 --> 01:26:34.920 for I mean, and just in the most irresponsible ways possible, just stirring 1042 01:26:35.039 --> 01:26:40.760 up, just making matters worse. And I think is important that we understand, 1043 01:26:40.800 --> 01:26:44.000 like what's at the root of all this is to number one, just 1044 01:26:44.239 --> 01:26:47.600 to be peaceful. It doesn't mean to be pacifist or let people walk all 1045 01:26:47.640 --> 01:26:51.600 over you, but it's just to be to not make matters worse that make 1046 01:26:51.720 --> 01:26:56.920 things worse. And I think it's important that people like you and I who 1047 01:26:57.880 --> 01:27:00.319 have an audience, whether it's a one hundred or eight hundred people or eight 1048 01:27:00.439 --> 01:27:08.039 hundred thousand people, to just be responsible and to go back to that platonic 1049 01:27:08.560 --> 01:27:13.079 ethic of having something to say, or or or just or wanting to just 1050 01:27:13.720 --> 01:27:18.399 say something. I think it's important that we use our platforms and we and 1051 01:27:19.800 --> 01:27:25.159 participate in the logos like we use our words for I mean, blessed are 1052 01:27:25.199 --> 01:27:29.960 the peacemakers, they are the they are to be called the children of God. 1053 01:27:30.119 --> 01:27:33.760 Like That's how I try to put myself in the middle. Maybe people 1054 01:27:33.840 --> 01:27:38.159 call it fence sitting, whatever you want to call it. I don't care. 1055 01:27:38.640 --> 01:27:43.960 I just I'm always trying to think about how we can just use our 1056 01:27:44.000 --> 01:27:47.600 platforms for good instead of just making things worse. But I appreciate your time, 1057 01:27:47.760 --> 01:27:51.399 Jay, I really enjoyed this. People are interested. You can get 1058 01:27:53.000 --> 01:27:57.000 my philosophy book as meta narratives. You get it on my website and the 1059 01:27:57.079 --> 01:28:00.960 shop. I got two books on movies and so there's a lot of philosophy 1060 01:28:01.039 --> 01:28:05.199 of symbol semiotics in my too Hollywood books. You can get those at my 1061 01:28:05.279 --> 01:28:12.439 website jas Analysis and will follow you on YouTube or Twitter under my name everywhere 1062 01:28:12.479 --> 01:28:16.239 under my name, yeah, and then also on rock Finn r O k 1063 01:28:16.520 --> 01:28:19.960 F I N. It's a great free speech based platform. So I have 1064 01:28:20.079 --> 01:28:24.520 a channel that I push over there quite a bit. Okay, Day, 1065 01:28:24.960 --> 01:28:28.359 I really appreciate your time. This is a great conversation, man. I 1066 01:28:28.479 --> 01:28:32.439 hope you keep on spreading knowledge. You are very intelligent man, and I 1067 01:28:32.640 --> 01:28:36.600 just I really hope the best for you, and just keep on educating people. 1068 01:28:36.680 --> 01:28:40.239 And you're making a real difference. You're making a real impact. I 1069 01:28:40.279 --> 01:28:43.359 appreciate your time. Thanks, Kyle. Yeah, let's DM me and let's 1070 01:28:43.359 --> 01:28:45.840 set up a chat. You can come on my channel. We can talk 1071 01:28:45.880 --> 01:28:48.560 about Carl Young and Freud and all that. Oh man, that sound and 1072 01:28:48.640 --> 01:28:51.239 Nietzsche. All right, letter do all right, man, thank you. 1073 01:29:02.640 --> 01:29:04.640 They don't have to build a