1 00:00:00,520 --> 00:00:06,080 Meaning found in Christ ultimately exegutes, meaning that it explains our life, It 2 00:00:06,120 --> 00:00:09,039 gives our life meaning purpose, all of that it's bound up in that. 3 00:00:09,640 --> 00:00:14,320 In that word, that is the expression of the inexpressible. So we will 4 00:00:14,400 --> 00:00:20,559 never ultimately have totality knowledge of God. And the Eastern Fathers like san grag 5 00:00:20,640 --> 00:00:24,839 Nissa, they even speak of how we will forever be going up into God. 6 00:00:24,920 --> 00:00:27,920 We will forever be moving up into God, learning more and more. 7 00:00:28,719 --> 00:00:32,880 And that's great because that means that you'll never be satiated. You'll always want 8 00:00:32,920 --> 00:00:39,880 more, so as you're enjoying the experience of God in the process. Right, 9 00:00:40,520 --> 00:00:44,520 you're not going through process philosophy. That's never giving you truth. It's 10 00:00:44,600 --> 00:00:48,200 just moving from truth to truth to truth to truth more truth. Rational, 11 00:00:48,560 --> 00:00:53,719 sane, objective. Ordinary people commit acts of atrocity. You want to be 12 00:00:53,840 --> 00:00:59,960 connected to something that has a value and reality independent of your ego. Central 13 00:01:00,479 --> 00:01:03,439 replicate that in an experiment. You're missing the point. That's what meaning is. 14 00:01:23,560 --> 00:01:29,079 Hello everyone, welcome back. This is the Kyle Maxwell Podcast. I 15 00:01:29,120 --> 00:01:33,480 took a year off. I was doing lectures, I went back to school, 16 00:01:33,760 --> 00:01:38,359 and overall just had a break from doing the podcast due to other circumstances, 17 00:01:38,719 --> 00:01:42,519 but we are not back. And this is episode sixteen, season three 18 00:01:42,560 --> 00:01:48,560 of the Kyle Maxwell Podcast. And to kick off the season, I have 19 00:01:48,760 --> 00:01:53,920 on a phenomenal guest today by the name of Jay Dyer. Jay Dyer is 20 00:01:53,959 --> 00:02:00,000 an American author, philosopher with a degree in philosophy. He has a second 21 00:02:00,359 --> 00:02:06,439 called Jay's Analysis, where he dives into the various topics geopolitics, religion, 22 00:02:07,000 --> 00:02:12,599 philosophy, ideology, and the like. He also hosts the fourth hour on 23 00:02:12,680 --> 00:02:17,520 The Alex Jones Show every single Friday, If I Believe Yes, and he 24 00:02:17,560 --> 00:02:23,879 has debated likes as Nick Flan says, Matt Delahanty and others in the religious 25 00:02:23,879 --> 00:02:30,479 realm. And today we're going to discuss religion, We're going to discuss difference, 26 00:02:30,960 --> 00:02:37,759 cultural topics, ideology, and what Jay's overall hopes are as to as 27 00:02:37,800 --> 00:02:46,039 he influences the current cultural topics that were going on today. Jay, I'm 28 00:02:46,120 --> 00:02:49,520 really thankful that you're on the show today. Thanks man, glad to be 29 00:02:49,560 --> 00:02:53,039 here. Yeah, I appreciate you reaching out and very cool to have this 30 00:02:53,080 --> 00:02:57,680 conversation. So I'm always open to talk about philosophy anytime anybody wants to do 31 00:02:57,680 --> 00:03:00,360 it, because most people don't want to talk about philosophy. That they always 32 00:03:00,400 --> 00:03:02,759 say, let's talk about this thing over here. So I'm really actually more 33 00:03:02,759 --> 00:03:07,000 excited when somebody wants to talk about philosophy, because most people don't care about 34 00:03:07,039 --> 00:03:13,479 philosophy and don't want to talk about it. Yeah, So my first question 35 00:03:14,400 --> 00:03:16,080 I want to get I have a I have a big question I want to 36 00:03:16,080 --> 00:03:19,840 ask you, but I won't I won't start off the podcast in such ways. 37 00:03:20,080 --> 00:03:25,039 But my first question is who is Jay Dyer and what is your goal 38 00:03:25,280 --> 00:03:30,960 with their content? What message are you trying to relate to your viewers. 39 00:03:32,680 --> 00:03:38,360 That's a tough question. I think there's a lot of different Jay Dyers in 40 00:03:38,400 --> 00:03:43,919 the sense that when I started out doing this, it was mainly focused on 41 00:03:44,080 --> 00:03:50,199 religious topics, and it was also focused on film and film symbolism and analysis. 42 00:03:50,240 --> 00:03:53,039 And then I decided that I was that was a little too narrow. 43 00:03:53,080 --> 00:03:55,719 I had a lot of other interests. Yeah, So when I was doing 44 00:03:55,719 --> 00:03:59,560 my undergrad I was studying not just philosophy, but I was also taking a 45 00:03:59,560 --> 00:04:02,120 lot of film classes. So I kind of wanted to integrate all of those 46 00:04:02,159 --> 00:04:08,199 things together. So I started doing a lot more essays on geopolitical topics, 47 00:04:08,280 --> 00:04:13,159 a lot more essays on espionage. I was doing my grad work on after 48 00:04:13,520 --> 00:04:20,639 undergrad on grad on the espionage and philosophy and spy literature and how those realms 49 00:04:20,720 --> 00:04:26,279 kind of overlap in terms of propaganda studying studying the Cold War pretty in depth 50 00:04:26,879 --> 00:04:30,199 for people who don't know what espionage is. You want you want to briefly 51 00:04:30,199 --> 00:04:33,199 explain what that was. Yeah, that's the just spycraft in this and the 52 00:04:33,959 --> 00:04:39,040 specifically what I was doing was studying like the time of the Cold War, 53 00:04:39,079 --> 00:04:43,360 Ian Fleming. Actually he predates the Cold War. He's he was doing spy 54 00:04:43,439 --> 00:04:46,600 work in World War Two, but yeah, he was spying on the Access 55 00:04:46,639 --> 00:04:50,079 Powers because he was a British intelligence operative, high level naval intelligence and he 56 00:04:50,240 --> 00:04:56,120 was the author of the James Bond franchise series, so he's sort of known 57 00:04:56,160 --> 00:05:00,680 for that, but he was a real world spy figure. So I was 58 00:05:00,720 --> 00:05:05,519 really interested in that topic and how it overlapped with film and how film is 59 00:05:05,600 --> 00:05:11,160 kind of a perfect medium for propaganda beyond just telling stories. So I did 60 00:05:11,160 --> 00:05:15,600 a lot of research on media propaganda and how that all works. And I 61 00:05:15,680 --> 00:05:20,680 just started kind of blogging back in twenty eight nine, ten eleven had a 62 00:05:20,680 --> 00:05:25,399 small audience back then, and then I kind of took the natural course that 63 00:05:25,439 --> 00:05:28,519 a lot of people tay, which is that you start blogging. You take 64 00:05:28,560 --> 00:05:30,439 all of those essays that you've written over the years. I wrote hundreds of 65 00:05:30,519 --> 00:05:33,279 essays in my twenties, and then you put those into books, right, 66 00:05:33,879 --> 00:05:39,279 and then that kind of led to doing podcasts, and then that led to 67 00:05:39,360 --> 00:05:42,759 doing more and more video work, and then that led to, you know, 68 00:05:42,800 --> 00:05:46,160 bigger opportunities. We just did the Tucker Carlson Special a couple of months 69 00:05:46,240 --> 00:05:49,759 back, so that was kind of like the peak of what I've been up 70 00:05:49,800 --> 00:05:53,720 to for the last few years. But yeah, it's just kind of we 71 00:05:53,800 --> 00:05:58,399 did a TV show to a full season production TV show and I think twenty 72 00:05:58,439 --> 00:06:02,720 seventeen or eighteen somewhere in there. So so yeah, we've been doing a 73 00:06:02,720 --> 00:06:05,800 lot of different stuff. I wear a lot of different hats, and that's 74 00:06:05,839 --> 00:06:11,879 just because I think we live at this inflection point where if you do what 75 00:06:11,920 --> 00:06:15,160 we do, you can kind of let more and more of yourself come out 76 00:06:15,240 --> 00:06:19,920 and you can be you know, you can you can find an audience based 77 00:06:19,959 --> 00:06:23,920 on the things that you're interested in. I guess is what I'm trying to 78 00:06:23,920 --> 00:06:28,000 say one, the more things you're interested in, the better for you know, 79 00:06:28,480 --> 00:06:30,839 for growing an audience. What is your what do you think you're If 80 00:06:30,879 --> 00:06:34,399 you had to summarize your I guess your goal in what sentence, like, 81 00:06:34,439 --> 00:06:40,160 what would that be? I have a lot of different goals. I guess 82 00:06:40,759 --> 00:06:44,560 yeah, I mean, I guess, well, I'm married, so you 83 00:06:44,560 --> 00:06:47,040 know, I want my wife and I have good a good life. So 84 00:06:47,079 --> 00:06:51,000 I try to, you know, on the earthly plane, I try to 85 00:06:51,040 --> 00:06:56,199 do things in a wise way in terms of managing money, running, but 86 00:06:56,480 --> 00:07:00,560 we have a couple of different businesses, investing all that kind of stuff. 87 00:07:00,600 --> 00:07:03,000 On the spiritual plane, you know, I want to be an influence in 88 00:07:03,040 --> 00:07:06,839 a good way in that regard. So that's partly why I do a lot 89 00:07:06,879 --> 00:07:12,480 of the debates with the atheists and Muslims and other traditions, is to try 90 00:07:12,519 --> 00:07:18,319 to do you know, apologetic work for Orthodox Christianity because I'm I'm I'm an 91 00:07:18,360 --> 00:07:23,000 attendee and a member of an Orthodox church, so so I try to promote 92 00:07:23,040 --> 00:07:27,040 that. I also try to do, you know, things on a personal 93 00:07:27,120 --> 00:07:29,879 level just that I enjoy. So there's a lot of different goals, but 94 00:07:29,920 --> 00:07:32,600 I guess overall it's to try to to try to do uh, you know, 95 00:07:32,680 --> 00:07:38,519 good things in a spiritual sense. Okay, that's great. Now I 96 00:07:38,560 --> 00:07:46,839 wanted to dive into obviously because you said you're Orthodox Christian. So the topics 97 00:07:46,920 --> 00:07:53,439 of Christianity, especially nowadays are kind of odd because we're at we're at a 98 00:07:53,480 --> 00:07:59,839 peak in a Western civilization where the underpinnings of Judaeo Christian values are now on 99 00:08:00,079 --> 00:08:03,680 there. I would want to say attack. That sounds a little bit exploitive, 100 00:08:03,759 --> 00:08:09,560 but they're just under question. And everything seems to be coming under question, 101 00:08:09,040 --> 00:08:16,439 especially the topic especially Christianity as as particular, and America is known to 102 00:08:16,480 --> 00:08:22,079 be the melting pot, you know, there's a plethora of religions that and 103 00:08:22,399 --> 00:08:26,279 the one of the hallmarks of America is that we can all we can all 104 00:08:26,319 --> 00:08:31,279 share this this land, and we can all express our different beliefs. I 105 00:08:31,319 --> 00:08:33,919 mean, that's the hallmark of liberty, of being being a liberal were we 106 00:08:33,960 --> 00:08:37,399 are we are free to express whatever we want, well, well not whatever 107 00:08:37,440 --> 00:08:45,360 we want, but what our religious whatever our religious preoccupation is. Well, 108 00:08:45,399 --> 00:08:54,320 why do you think Christianity at per se is always seems to be the particular 109 00:08:54,480 --> 00:09:03,240 belief that is always under always under question. Besides it being obviously a third 110 00:09:03,279 --> 00:09:09,080 of the world's religion, But why do you think it is Christian values per 111 00:09:09,159 --> 00:09:18,840 se that are so intimidating to non believers or or whatever ideology or a part 112 00:09:18,879 --> 00:09:24,600 of What do you think it is about the Christian faith? Because I've always 113 00:09:24,639 --> 00:09:31,399 seen that. You know, you'll never see someone poking fun at Buddha, 114 00:09:31,759 --> 00:09:37,879 like that's not funny. Like you'll never see someone making fun of like the 115 00:09:39,000 --> 00:09:43,840 like a dragon from some like eastern country or something. You'll never see someone 116 00:09:43,200 --> 00:09:50,039 making a meme about farre Muhammad because it's just not funny. Why do you 117 00:09:50,080 --> 00:09:54,639 think it's the Christian faith per se that we're always making memes about Jesus, 118 00:09:54,720 --> 00:10:01,279 We're always making jokes about about this faith particular. Yeah, I think there's 119 00:10:01,279 --> 00:10:05,200 a lot of reasons why it's not just one. I think that, you 120 00:10:05,240 --> 00:10:11,039 know, Christianity makes exclusivest claims, and so it's that's tied to, you 121 00:10:11,080 --> 00:10:16,519 know, objective truth. The idea that truth isn't relative, is not purely 122 00:10:16,559 --> 00:10:20,080 subjective. There are objective truths and principles that everybody must match up to. 123 00:10:20,720 --> 00:10:24,200 And in Christianity, you know you have in John fourteen six I'm the way 124 00:10:24,200 --> 00:10:26,519 the truth in the life. No man comes to Father but by Me. 125 00:10:26,639 --> 00:10:31,879 So Jesus is even making that in more restrictive exclusivity when he says that the 126 00:10:31,919 --> 00:10:39,120 only way to you know, eschatological salvation is through Christ through his Church. 127 00:10:39,240 --> 00:10:43,200 So that's a heavy claim that I think a lot of people have problems with 128 00:10:43,360 --> 00:10:46,679 just because a lot of you know, if you believe the Christian worldview, 129 00:10:46,720 --> 00:10:50,960 then you believe that man has fallen, and so man has a proclivity to 130 00:10:52,159 --> 00:10:56,039 reject God, to turn against God, just because he's a fallen human being. 131 00:10:58,000 --> 00:11:03,879 And so there's that going on. There's also you know, geopolitical powers 132 00:11:03,879 --> 00:11:11,600 and forces that would like to undermine Christianity because it has a stabilizing social component 133 00:11:11,639 --> 00:11:15,720 to it. I'm not saying that it's only about social warfare cultural warfare, 134 00:11:15,799 --> 00:11:20,399 but Christianity does promote, you know, the idea of the sanctity of the 135 00:11:20,399 --> 00:11:24,039 individual, the made in the image of God. So you have rights that 136 00:11:24,120 --> 00:11:30,159 are based around divine law. The Tank Commandments is a really good blueprint for 137 00:11:30,320 --> 00:11:33,879 how to have a healthy society versus one that falls into tyranny, to have 138 00:11:35,440 --> 00:11:37,759 rule by law, these kinds of things, These are all you know, 139 00:11:37,759 --> 00:11:41,679 biblical values, you could say. And so if you're a technocrat, if 140 00:11:41,679 --> 00:11:46,039 you're somebody like you know Clouds at the World Economic Forum, or if you're 141 00:11:46,159 --> 00:11:48,720 knowing, you've all Harari. I mean they actually express this and the writings 142 00:11:48,759 --> 00:11:54,399 that it's time for these older religious notions to go away because we're evolving into 143 00:11:54,440 --> 00:11:58,240 a new kind of transhumanist dataism is what Harari calls it, which way he 144 00:11:58,279 --> 00:12:01,600 says, will be a new religion of the future. So the new religion 145 00:12:01,600 --> 00:12:05,480 of the future. And this is other thinkers too, like H. G. 146 00:12:05,600 --> 00:12:07,720 Wells, he said the same thing, like one hundred years ago. 147 00:12:07,480 --> 00:12:11,240 You have to get rid of the roadblocks to that. And Christianity with its 148 00:12:11,360 --> 00:12:18,919 classic notions of nations or ethnos or people groups nation states. I don't mean 149 00:12:18,000 --> 00:12:22,679 nation states in the post Enlightenment revolutionary sense of a nation state. I mean 150 00:12:22,720 --> 00:12:26,720 the older idea when Jesus says in Matthew twenty eight, go forth and baptize 151 00:12:26,759 --> 00:12:31,000 the ethnoid, the nations, the people groups that go back to the chapter 152 00:12:31,120 --> 00:12:35,320 Genesis ten called the Table of Nations, where you have the outlining of all 153 00:12:35,360 --> 00:12:39,879 these different people groups. There's this tendency to rebuild Babel, I guess is 154 00:12:39,879 --> 00:12:43,159 what you could say from fallen Man and to the attempt to rebuild Babbel, 155 00:12:43,080 --> 00:12:48,000 which is all of the world under a single kind of world government model under 156 00:12:48,080 --> 00:12:52,440 Nirod from Genesis early on in Genesis, I mean that same idea is a 157 00:12:52,519 --> 00:13:00,440 recurring spiritual movement that never really goes away. It's all the world pires are 158 00:13:00,519 --> 00:13:03,679 kind of an attempt to rebuild Babble. And I think that today we're in 159 00:13:03,720 --> 00:13:11,279 a more dangerous situation where you have really powerful international steering committees CFR, Builderberg, 160 00:13:11,320 --> 00:13:15,240 these kinds of things. They really do want to push and openly have 161 00:13:15,320 --> 00:13:20,399 called for the creation of a technocratic world government. And so the things that 162 00:13:20,480 --> 00:13:24,600 stand in the way are identified by those writers, by those elite, by 163 00:13:24,600 --> 00:13:30,480 those technocrats in their own writings, and one of those is traditional Western religion, 164 00:13:30,519 --> 00:13:35,039 in particular Christianity. So that's one of the that's another reason why on 165 00:13:35,080 --> 00:13:39,559 the geopolitical level, underneath the spiritual level of the exclusivist claims of Christ about 166 00:13:39,639 --> 00:13:46,159 Christianity. So yeah, I think I think those are the main two reasons 167 00:13:46,159 --> 00:13:50,200 you could probably we could probably think of other reasons too. Why. I 168 00:13:50,240 --> 00:13:52,200 mean, I think there you could also say that in the realm of so 169 00:13:52,320 --> 00:13:54,600 called Christianity, there are a lot of hypocrites. There are a lot of 170 00:13:54,600 --> 00:14:01,759 people that you know, don't really follow the religon but follow a pseudo version 171 00:14:01,799 --> 00:14:05,879 of it. So there's a lot of you know, goofy megachurches and kind 172 00:14:05,879 --> 00:14:09,279 of ridiculous stuff going on out there, which I think furthers and fosters the 173 00:14:09,360 --> 00:14:13,960 idea that it's a hypocritical religion and undermines the idea of religion itself. Ultimately, 174 00:14:13,919 --> 00:14:18,279 it kind of producing a lot more atheists, I think, and really, 175 00:14:18,440 --> 00:14:24,240 you know, the idea of Bible and Christianity itself has been under attacked 176 00:14:24,240 --> 00:14:26,080 at least since the Enlightenment. I mean in the West. That's really when 177 00:14:26,120 --> 00:14:33,360 you get the outbreak of the phases of atheism that would really kind of, 178 00:14:33,080 --> 00:14:37,639 you know, wash over the entire West. And so now we're kind of 179 00:14:37,679 --> 00:14:45,000 at that phase of where we've even gone past the classical progressivist notions of Enlightenment 180 00:14:45,039 --> 00:14:50,120 atheism with people like Hume and skepticism from people like Dolbach and these characters and 181 00:14:50,159 --> 00:14:54,039 the French revolutionaries. Now we're getting into postmodernism where things are just getting kind 182 00:14:54,039 --> 00:14:58,399 of crazy. We're getting like full on breakdown of the older liberal values, 183 00:14:58,440 --> 00:15:05,200 because the old progressive liberal values of you know, classical liberalism or twentieth century 184 00:15:05,200 --> 00:15:09,519 liberalism, those are now breaking down because they weren't really founded on anything other 185 00:15:09,600 --> 00:15:13,279 than in many cases what's called negative liberty and political philosophy, which is just 186 00:15:13,360 --> 00:15:18,519 the idea that you don't have a positive worldview or a positive idea of what 187 00:15:18,559 --> 00:15:24,639 your culture represents or what your state represents, but you're basically defining your nation 188 00:15:24,879 --> 00:15:30,399 state like America, as a nation that is not big government, that limits 189 00:15:31,120 --> 00:15:33,799 big government. Right. So that's negative liberty and the Enlightenment sense, but 190 00:15:33,840 --> 00:15:39,799 it doesn't provide a lot of positive values beyond things like pursuing life liberty, 191 00:15:39,799 --> 00:15:43,879 property or life liberty, happiness, and so that utilitarian presupposition that's in the 192 00:15:43,960 --> 00:15:50,120 Enlightenment ethos especially in the American idea, the spirit of America. I think 193 00:15:50,200 --> 00:15:54,240 America's kind of at a crossroads where it would have to choose between its competing 194 00:15:54,799 --> 00:15:58,639 founding ideas. So I don't think America's one idea. I think it was 195 00:15:58,200 --> 00:16:04,759 combination of you know, the Roman law, English common law, Biblical Mosaic 196 00:16:04,879 --> 00:16:11,159 law, you know, the founding fathers. Looking back to Roman statesmen. 197 00:16:11,840 --> 00:16:18,799 Even Machiavelli plays a role in it, and the Enlightenment free Masonic revolutionary philosophy 198 00:16:18,879 --> 00:16:22,519 ideas. I think all of those things were kind of in the melting pot 199 00:16:22,559 --> 00:16:27,320 of American ideas, and America would have to choose which route it wanted to 200 00:16:27,360 --> 00:16:30,039 go in terms of those ideas, in terms of where what it wanted to 201 00:16:30,039 --> 00:16:33,399 be more consistent with. So did it want to go down the route of 202 00:16:33,440 --> 00:16:37,279 being more consistent with Enlightenment atheism or does it want to go down the rout 203 00:16:37,320 --> 00:16:41,440 of being more and more of a Christian nation. I think it obviously shows 204 00:16:41,480 --> 00:16:47,559 the route of the Enlightenment atheist pathway, and that led it to lead to 205 00:16:47,600 --> 00:16:53,200 it becoming this interventionist, internationalist power packs Americana, and that has contributed, 206 00:16:53,240 --> 00:16:56,840 I think, more and more so to its demise. And it's kind of 207 00:16:57,320 --> 00:17:00,360 I think we're reaching the point where the American import is going to start to 208 00:17:00,399 --> 00:17:08,400 crumble. I like that part when you quoted Matthew he was the way the 209 00:17:08,400 --> 00:17:12,880 truth. I think. I also I want to bounce back. I want 210 00:17:12,880 --> 00:17:15,039 to bounce this ask you, I want you to tell me what you think 211 00:17:15,079 --> 00:17:22,440 about this. The reason why I think like the the Christian faith, like 212 00:17:22,920 --> 00:17:27,160 per se, is so under attack, is actually because of its truth. 213 00:17:27,559 --> 00:17:34,640 And I actually think a the degree to which you can satirize and to the 214 00:17:34,680 --> 00:17:41,519 degree that that you can that you can deconstruct and make fun of something is 215 00:17:41,559 --> 00:17:47,359 the degree that which is true. Because if you, if you pay attention, 216 00:17:47,480 --> 00:17:51,799 if you and if you and this is back in deconstruction, this theory, 217 00:17:51,880 --> 00:17:56,359 this is back in postmoderness, you'll always you'll read people and then they're 218 00:17:56,440 --> 00:18:04,640 always attacking the Judeo Christian belief. And I look at it as a from 219 00:18:04,680 --> 00:18:10,720 a psychological perspective. I'm a psycho major, just to throw that out there. 220 00:18:11,000 --> 00:18:14,680 Look, I look at it so aside from a philosophical reason why the 221 00:18:14,799 --> 00:18:19,200 Christian faith is is so potent. I'm looking if you look at it at 222 00:18:19,279 --> 00:18:26,079 a psychological perspective, it's like it's a if this is true, then this 223 00:18:26,160 --> 00:18:34,039 must be true. And I think once you accept the pre's opposition that Jesus 224 00:18:34,279 --> 00:18:42,440 was God and he was real, that unravels a infinite cascade of terror. 225 00:18:44,079 --> 00:18:48,400 And but also hope that's the thing because I don't know what versus is, 226 00:18:48,480 --> 00:18:55,160 but it's the fear of God is the beginning of wisdom. So if you 227 00:18:55,319 --> 00:19:00,920 don't believe in God, then what you don't have wisdom? You just have 228 00:19:00,960 --> 00:19:07,880 a bunch of conflicting knowledge. You just have a bunch of conflicting things that 229 00:19:07,119 --> 00:19:15,000 can be true. You have conflicting presuppositions. And I think when so people 230 00:19:15,440 --> 00:19:21,680 radicalists or leftists, are atheist or materialists, the longer they can, the 231 00:19:21,720 --> 00:19:23,799 longer they can stave off this idea. As long as we can just get 232 00:19:23,920 --> 00:19:29,359 rid of this pesky idea that there is some type of transcendent out there, 233 00:19:29,440 --> 00:19:37,839 transcend on to ambiguousflicting presuppositions, then we can. Because the idea of the 234 00:19:37,960 --> 00:19:44,000 scientific, the Enlightenment idea isn't to come to this. I mean people like 235 00:19:44,119 --> 00:19:48,559 I mean Dereda and fu Co write this verbatim. The idea isn't to have 236 00:19:48,680 --> 00:19:52,799 this sort of objective truth. The idea is to have this this dialectic. 237 00:19:52,839 --> 00:19:56,319 I hate using that word because it makes you sound kind of KooKoo, but 238 00:19:56,400 --> 00:20:02,319 it's it's it's to have this on going dialectic, is to have this ongoing 239 00:20:02,319 --> 00:20:06,680 conversation, this ongoing of versilila twos of this may be true, or I 240 00:20:06,720 --> 00:20:11,559 have this thing, I have this this dualism here. But if you accept 241 00:20:11,160 --> 00:20:17,519 this idea that Christ exists and he died and he and he rodes again, 242 00:20:18,160 --> 00:20:22,079 then that means that, okay, well, if there is something that's transcendent, 243 00:20:22,119 --> 00:20:25,599 and that means what is in front of me, there is more to 244 00:20:25,720 --> 00:20:27,559 what is just in front of me. And if there's more to what is 245 00:20:27,599 --> 00:20:30,240 just in front of me, that means that these things that I value, 246 00:20:30,319 --> 00:20:37,400 my very sense itself, all of this, it completely cascades into this unraveling 247 00:20:37,400 --> 00:20:41,440 wall. I don't have this, and that means that there are things that 248 00:20:41,480 --> 00:20:45,440 exist that I can't see. And if there are things that exist that I 249 00:20:45,440 --> 00:20:47,839 can't see, then that means there must be something more than this. That 250 00:20:47,880 --> 00:20:51,519 means that my career and my three letters after my name are not the most 251 00:20:51,519 --> 00:20:55,839 important thing anymore, and that there's some type of transcendent value. And this 252 00:20:56,799 --> 00:21:00,880 line of thinking, this is how depressive just people think they think if this, 253 00:21:02,000 --> 00:21:04,839 then that they don't they go from the from the from the occurrence to 254 00:21:04,880 --> 00:21:08,839 the to the attractor. This means that my whole world is coming down. 255 00:21:10,119 --> 00:21:14,880 That was Nietzsche wrote this word for word in his Will to Power. He 256 00:21:15,000 --> 00:21:18,480 said that I'm gonna I'm gonna get them trying to remember this. It went 257 00:21:18,559 --> 00:21:25,720 from God is good to everything is false a Buddhism of action, and I 258 00:21:25,799 --> 00:21:30,519 always try that verse has stuck with me forever because it does. It has 259 00:21:30,640 --> 00:21:34,599 went from what he was writing a Will to Power about the UH the rising 260 00:21:34,640 --> 00:21:41,559 ideologies in Germany at the time God is good to everything is false. And 261 00:21:41,599 --> 00:21:44,319 so what he meant by that is you just don't lose faith. And he 262 00:21:44,319 --> 00:21:47,440 wrote this and beyond good and Nebo as well, you just don't lose faith 263 00:21:47,640 --> 00:21:53,559 in your ideology. You lose faith in faith itself, and you have to 264 00:21:53,599 --> 00:21:59,640 be reborn into something different, something that is more than yourself. So I 265 00:21:59,640 --> 00:22:07,079 don't think it's it's not Christ that is offending the more radical types, because 266 00:22:07,200 --> 00:22:14,599 that can do nothing but help you. It is the It is the repercussions. 267 00:22:14,640 --> 00:22:18,720 If there is such a thing as Christ, then that means I have 268 00:22:18,799 --> 00:22:23,799 to change something, I have to accept something I have to change. So 269 00:22:23,880 --> 00:22:27,440 I think that's an important distinction, because it's not that they're denying Christ. 270 00:22:27,440 --> 00:22:32,359 Because you can't deny something. I mean, that's just a a that's just 271 00:22:32,400 --> 00:22:34,960 a basic law of logic. You can't deny something that doesn't exist. If 272 00:22:34,960 --> 00:22:37,599 you don't think that Christ it says there, you can't say that there is 273 00:22:37,640 --> 00:22:41,079 no God. That's why I never runner stord to the atheist movie, because 274 00:22:41,079 --> 00:22:44,759 you're claiming you can't claim a negative. You can't say that there is no 275 00:22:44,799 --> 00:22:48,440 He can't make a definitive claim that there is no God because you're saying that 276 00:22:48,480 --> 00:22:52,880 there is no there is no level of universal claim, there is no level 277 00:22:52,920 --> 00:22:56,480 of evidence that would make you believe in such a thing, So you can't 278 00:22:56,559 --> 00:23:00,559 claim it's non existence. So I don't think it's the existing sense of God 279 00:23:00,640 --> 00:23:03,759 or the exists of Christ that people are so vehement about. I think it's 280 00:23:06,319 --> 00:23:11,440 if that's if such a thing exists, then I'm in trouble, and it's 281 00:23:11,440 --> 00:23:15,880 for my best it's for my best interests if I can make as much people 282 00:23:15,920 --> 00:23:22,759 as possible believe that that's a bunch of bullshit. The what do you think 283 00:23:22,759 --> 00:23:25,359 about that? Yeah, I think I think you're right there. I think, 284 00:23:25,480 --> 00:23:27,920 uh, that's a point we've we've made. I mean, it's kind 285 00:23:27,920 --> 00:23:32,559 of the point in John three when Jesus is talking to Nicodemus and he says 286 00:23:32,559 --> 00:23:36,240 to Nicodemus that the darkness hates the light and does not come to the light 287 00:23:36,880 --> 00:23:41,839 lest its deeds should be exposed, and that means that it would require them 288 00:23:41,880 --> 00:23:45,400 to change. And I think you're absolutely right that people sense deep down that 289 00:23:45,680 --> 00:23:48,920 wait a minute, if this is true, then all of these other things 290 00:23:48,000 --> 00:23:52,640 would necessarily necessarily follow. I think that's totally right. I think deep down 291 00:23:52,680 --> 00:23:56,279 people kind of do that mental you know, inner calculus, and they figure 292 00:23:56,279 --> 00:24:03,799 out that and that makes them have that initial uh you know, beheman reaction 293 00:24:03,960 --> 00:24:07,200 against it exactly like you're saying, I think, yeah, I mean, 294 00:24:07,880 --> 00:24:12,640 trying to cut you off. But in that, in that that logical like 295 00:24:12,920 --> 00:24:21,279 deduction is what that that runs counter to the postmodern post structuralist way of thinking 296 00:24:21,319 --> 00:24:27,960 itself. The if this because Hume didn't believe in causality, so it runs 297 00:24:29,000 --> 00:24:33,079 just the concept of something existing, then therefore this exists. So then therefore 298 00:24:33,119 --> 00:24:36,480 this exists. The I mean the I mean that's what it is. That 299 00:24:36,640 --> 00:24:42,279 is that the first the first mover, first move, that's Aquinas is the 300 00:24:42,559 --> 00:24:45,720 I'm going to get this wrong, the first mover. Who was the one 301 00:24:45,720 --> 00:24:51,799 that said that, yeah you could. That's kind of his argument from remotion 302 00:24:52,000 --> 00:24:56,279 that you would have that it would go back to some first cut, but 303 00:24:56,440 --> 00:25:02,720 that everything is contingent, so there must be some non that contingency itself. 304 00:25:02,759 --> 00:25:08,880 That runs counter to the post structuralist or post modern way of thinking, because 305 00:25:10,319 --> 00:25:15,799 in that world nothing is contingent on anything. I can have my cake and 306 00:25:15,880 --> 00:25:18,480 eat it too. I can feel like a man and be a woman. 307 00:25:18,960 --> 00:25:23,400 I can feel the certain way and not act on it, and therefore that 308 00:25:23,519 --> 00:25:29,079 isn't who I am, although we know that as a man thinketh in his 309 00:25:29,200 --> 00:25:33,720 heart, so is he. I can just think about little boys and girls 310 00:25:33,920 --> 00:25:37,200 doesn't mean I'm actually going to touch them. So therefore I'm a good person 311 00:25:37,359 --> 00:25:42,480 because I'm not acting on it. They want to sorry you today, though 312 00:25:42,799 --> 00:25:51,480 that mode of thinking runs contrary to the Judeo Christian way of thinking. If 313 00:25:51,519 --> 00:25:56,279 so, then this and that's where science even begin with. It began with 314 00:25:56,559 --> 00:26:02,720 a religious exploration that there is some sort of of intelligible universe, that there's 315 00:26:02,759 --> 00:26:07,880 something contingent upon this matter, that something cannot come from nothing. So just 316 00:26:07,920 --> 00:26:14,119 the very idea of there being some sort of first mover, there's some sort 317 00:26:14,160 --> 00:26:22,839 of objective reality, some sort of like definitive statement that gives birth literally to 318 00:26:22,720 --> 00:26:30,200 this thing we call work the earth in life that is crippling, to a 319 00:26:30,279 --> 00:26:37,240 world where you can have everything you want and there be no contradiction, because 320 00:26:37,279 --> 00:26:47,960 contradiction is a point. Yeah, I think the Enlightenment started with Descartes deifying 321 00:26:48,000 --> 00:26:53,279 the human mind. And so what religion did prior to that, it placed 322 00:26:55,039 --> 00:26:59,519 the divine mind in the divine in God. It was outside exterior to man. 323 00:27:00,319 --> 00:27:06,559 What Descartes did. Yeah, according to Louis de Pray the I think 324 00:27:06,599 --> 00:27:11,119 he's from Yale Historian Religion. He has a really good book called Passage to 325 00:27:11,160 --> 00:27:17,000 Modernity, and he talks about how de Kart basically took that divine mind concept 326 00:27:17,119 --> 00:27:19,680 of the ancient medieval world and smashed it into man's mind. So now the 327 00:27:19,759 --> 00:27:26,880 individual's mind becomes the paradigm, and it becomes it's attempting to function as the 328 00:27:26,960 --> 00:27:32,039 divine mind used to function. But because the human mind is finite, it 329 00:27:32,079 --> 00:27:36,599 can't pull this off. So this imminentizing of the divine mind that begins with 330 00:27:36,680 --> 00:27:42,039 Descartes, ironically even into human con it's still very rational, it's still basically 331 00:27:42,079 --> 00:27:48,880 psychologism. It becomes syllipsism, and so the syllipsis division, you know, 332 00:27:48,000 --> 00:27:55,359 the kantient divide from the newmana and the phenomena. This ends up being the 333 00:27:55,519 --> 00:28:00,440 very seed that would destroy the mind itself and the man's idea, identity, 334 00:28:00,519 --> 00:28:04,200 man's dignity itself. Because now that we've imminentized everything, and we placed upon 335 00:28:04,319 --> 00:28:10,319 man the burden of building a kind of a system building project of creating and 336 00:28:10,359 --> 00:28:15,440 giving meaning to totality reality, because man's a finite being, obviously that quest 337 00:28:15,559 --> 00:28:22,319 will fail. It must fail, because they've already banished God. And it's 338 00:28:22,400 --> 00:28:26,240 kind of like Sartres said, He said that, you know, you could 339 00:28:26,279 --> 00:28:30,359 look at it like the ancient medieval world said, essence precedes existence. No. 340 00:28:30,200 --> 00:28:34,559 No, Now, my existence precedes and will determine what essences are or 341 00:28:34,599 --> 00:28:37,519 are not. In fact, I'm all through out all the essences and my 342 00:28:37,759 --> 00:28:44,480 existence. So it's man's kind of Faustian bargain, his own self will projecting 343 00:28:44,559 --> 00:28:48,319 himself. But here's the thing. It ends up undercutting his own identity because 344 00:28:48,839 --> 00:28:56,440 he eventually deconstructs all reality, including himself. Because remember Umberto Echo, the 345 00:28:56,440 --> 00:29:02,000 famous Simuititian author of a lot of famous books, Pendulum Name of the Rose. 346 00:29:02,519 --> 00:29:04,440 He wrote a famous essay called or Fascism, and he says that the 347 00:29:04,440 --> 00:29:12,839 goal of the revolutionary that leftists ultimately is not just against fascist governments or tyrannical 348 00:29:12,880 --> 00:29:18,400 governments, it's actually against the idea of truth itself with a capital T. 349 00:29:18,599 --> 00:29:22,599 If you believe that there's any objective truth, you are a fascist. You're 350 00:29:22,640 --> 00:29:26,240 a truth fascist, he says, so that all ideas of truth have to 351 00:29:26,279 --> 00:29:33,440 be destroyed. That's exactly. But see exactly, and if you point that 352 00:29:33,519 --> 00:29:37,039 out, they say, we don't care about contradictions. We embrace them, 353 00:29:37,400 --> 00:29:41,960 because all reality is contradiction. These people will say, the more sophisticated versions 354 00:29:41,000 --> 00:29:44,640 of them will say this, right. So when you get into these more 355 00:29:45,000 --> 00:29:48,599 higher level Marxist dialecticians and these kinds of people, you know, the higher 356 00:29:48,680 --> 00:29:55,319 level I think, you know, darker thinkers that father sarafrom Rose identifies as 357 00:29:55,359 --> 00:30:00,559 the fourth stage of the nihilistic revolutionaries. If you read his great book Roots 358 00:30:00,559 --> 00:30:04,200 of the Nihilism, Roots of the Modern Revolution, he talks about these four 359 00:30:04,200 --> 00:30:11,000 phases of who wrote that, I want to remember that nihilism Roots of the 360 00:30:11,000 --> 00:30:15,319 Modern Revolution by father Sara from Rose. He classifies four stages of revolutionary thought, 361 00:30:15,400 --> 00:30:21,759 which kind of begins with the idealistic, you know, utopian, universalist 362 00:30:22,759 --> 00:30:26,799 revolutionary figure who wants to bring about an earthly utopia, and then eventually the 363 00:30:26,839 --> 00:30:33,160 revolution fades into death for death's sake, pure nihilism, and destruction for destruction 364 00:30:33,279 --> 00:30:37,920 sake. So that's like it's kind of his final phase of that revolutionary utopianism 365 00:30:38,079 --> 00:30:42,440 actually gets you to pure destructive nihilism. That's his argument in the book. 366 00:30:42,480 --> 00:30:45,359 He actually does a pre subdistional critique in the first chapter of all that. 367 00:30:45,400 --> 00:30:51,519 I think it's a really good orthodox, pre subsisitional critique of that whole Enlightenment 368 00:30:51,519 --> 00:30:56,920 ethos. But yeah, he ends that chapter by saying that the logical progression 369 00:30:57,079 --> 00:31:02,240 is to completely reject logic as a whole and to embrace contradictions. And that 370 00:31:02,240 --> 00:31:06,519 makes perfect sense because, as we've been covering on my channel pretty lately, 371 00:31:07,319 --> 00:31:11,519 that after I had a lot of interactions with a bunch of like insane Marxists 372 00:31:11,599 --> 00:31:15,039 online. Uh, if you go and you and you read a book like 373 00:31:15,200 --> 00:31:21,279 this Fire in the Minds of Men who James Billington was the Library and of 374 00:31:21,319 --> 00:31:26,119 Congress, So he wasn't a conspiracy theorist. He's actually just writing a mainline 375 00:31:26,200 --> 00:31:29,759 history of revolutionary thought from the French Revolution or prior to the French Revolution all 376 00:31:29,799 --> 00:31:33,559 the webs to now. And you know he talks about highlights the importance of 377 00:31:33,640 --> 00:31:38,839 dialectics and direct of materialism. You know that it was taken from Hegel, 378 00:31:40,359 --> 00:31:41,920 and the key to this is to understand that. And I don't even really 379 00:31:41,920 --> 00:31:45,839 think Hegel thought this, but I think that the people that have taken this 380 00:31:45,279 --> 00:31:49,359 have gone in the direction of saying that there are there's not really anything that's 381 00:31:49,440 --> 00:31:55,279 true. Everything is just a bit, a bit, and a piecemeal approach 382 00:31:55,319 --> 00:32:00,000 to truth. And so every interaction, right, the argument would go between 383 00:32:00,160 --> 00:32:01,279 you and I. You have a bit of the truth. I have a 384 00:32:01,279 --> 00:32:06,599 bit of the truth. We have this interaction, and so this interaction is 385 00:32:06,640 --> 00:32:09,480 a thesis antithesis, synthesis. We're both coming to a higher level of truth 386 00:32:09,880 --> 00:32:14,920 as a result of this. So truth isn't really a thing that's ever a 387 00:32:15,000 --> 00:32:21,160 static, it's always in process. It's always in a dialectical movement that the 388 00:32:21,279 --> 00:32:24,079 journey itself is the truth. According to I think a lot of these people. 389 00:32:25,079 --> 00:32:28,839 I see this when I read people like Harber Moss and people coming out 390 00:32:28,880 --> 00:32:30,119 of the Frankfurt School. So I think, I think this is really a 391 00:32:30,119 --> 00:32:37,400 fundamental dialectical idea that these people believe, and that actually, if you understand 392 00:32:37,440 --> 00:32:40,400 that, actually explains a lot as to why they actually affirm contradictions. They 393 00:32:40,400 --> 00:32:46,279 actually believe in the necessity of and by contradiction, they don't even necessarily just 394 00:32:46,440 --> 00:32:52,799 mean in Marxist practicology, they don't necessarily just mean a logical contradiction. They 395 00:32:52,839 --> 00:32:59,960 mean all opposition, like constant opposition struggle. That is the life and practice 396 00:33:00,079 --> 00:33:04,319 the Marxist That is the action that you take, even if it's people in 397 00:33:04,359 --> 00:33:07,759 your own camp, you still have to deconstruct the Marxists from the last generation. 398 00:33:08,079 --> 00:33:13,119 So it's a never ending just strife and struggle because they think, as 399 00:33:13,160 --> 00:33:15,960 I think you mentioned earlier about Heraclitis, I mean, they borrow from Heraclitis 400 00:33:16,000 --> 00:33:22,440 that all reality is flux. So they're they're just furthering the process by going 401 00:33:22,480 --> 00:33:29,079 along with reality itself, which is pure flux and atoms and molecules and everything 402 00:33:29,160 --> 00:33:34,240 just bashing together to produce the synthesis out of that. So if you understand 403 00:33:34,240 --> 00:33:37,160 that, then I think it helps to understand why when you interact with these 404 00:33:37,200 --> 00:33:40,559 people and you call them out on a logical fallacy, they don't care because 405 00:33:40,559 --> 00:33:47,000 they have a philosophy that pretends to respect logic and reasoning but actually affirms contradictions. 406 00:33:49,200 --> 00:33:52,799 Now, I want to get into Marxism and stuff later in the conversation, 407 00:33:53,200 --> 00:33:58,640 but I will save that for later. I want to ask you to 408 00:33:58,720 --> 00:34:04,640 we talked about true. If we talk about God momentarily, what is truth 409 00:34:05,480 --> 00:34:12,639 and how does it? How does one come to truth? What is truth? 410 00:34:15,280 --> 00:34:19,920 I would say the truth is a divine person. I think it's what 411 00:34:20,039 --> 00:34:23,559 John identifies in John One as the logos. The logos is not identical to 412 00:34:24,239 --> 00:34:29,760 Hellenic Greek philosophical conceptions of the logos. I think John was using that term 413 00:34:29,840 --> 00:34:34,400 to speak to a lot of Greek reading, you know, Greek speakers and 414 00:34:34,440 --> 00:34:37,880 Greek audience, to bring them to Christianity. But a lot of times people 415 00:34:37,920 --> 00:34:40,280 mistake this as if it means that, you know, John is saying the 416 00:34:40,280 --> 00:34:45,280 exact same thing as what the Priestocratics are meaning when they say logos or Marcus 417 00:34:45,360 --> 00:34:50,880 Aurelius when he says logos, I think he's using that term to direct people 418 00:34:50,920 --> 00:34:55,400 by saying what you're calling logos or truth or word or explanation or meaning whatever, 419 00:34:55,519 --> 00:35:00,159 that's actually what we've got in Christianity with the second person that God and 420 00:35:00,480 --> 00:35:07,280 Jesus is that logos is the truth. So truth ultimately isn't abstract, it's 421 00:35:07,320 --> 00:35:12,280 not ultimately propositional. There are abstract truths, there are propositional truths, but 422 00:35:12,360 --> 00:35:16,840 those are created truths in our worldview that reflect an uncreated truth which is not 423 00:35:17,440 --> 00:35:22,280 abstract or a force or impersonal, but personal. So this is a very 424 00:35:22,400 --> 00:35:28,079 unique element to Biblical religion. Ultimately, I think to orthodoxy that the highest 425 00:35:28,199 --> 00:35:32,559 level of the absolute is not impersonal. A lot of world religions, Hinduism, 426 00:35:32,840 --> 00:35:40,280 something like that the absolute is ultimately an impersonal, unknowable whatever. And 427 00:35:40,440 --> 00:35:45,760 if ultimate reality is impersonal, you kind of get a worldview that is all 428 00:35:45,800 --> 00:35:52,239 illusory or it's all disteleological, meaning it lacks purpose. And there's a lot 429 00:35:52,239 --> 00:35:54,960 of implications for your philosophy, for their worldview. If you have a presupposition 430 00:35:55,039 --> 00:36:00,559 that ultimate reality is impersonal therefore disteliological, it means that they can't can't ultimately 431 00:36:00,599 --> 00:36:05,119 have purpose within that paradigm, within that world view. So Christianity allows for 432 00:36:05,199 --> 00:36:12,239 it has purpose precisely because God is personal and because the world is created with 433 00:36:12,480 --> 00:36:19,079 that divine personal intentionality, meaning that it's directed and meaning that it has purpose. 434 00:36:19,320 --> 00:36:25,039 So telos or purpose is immediately connected to a world that has that is 435 00:36:25,079 --> 00:36:29,199 created. It's not just a manifestation that comes and goes. It's not an 436 00:36:29,239 --> 00:36:31,840 illusion, it's not a dream. It's a real beginning, middle, and 437 00:36:31,960 --> 00:36:36,119 end thing. So there's time time has, you know, beginning, middle, 438 00:36:36,159 --> 00:36:39,480 and end. Humans experience reality with that time determination of beginning, middle, 439 00:36:39,519 --> 00:36:44,440 and end. Augustine, for example, makes arguments about this and his 440 00:36:44,480 --> 00:36:47,840 famous book Confessions where he talks about how even in this and seeing things in 441 00:36:47,920 --> 00:36:51,480 beginning, middle and end, it kind of in a way points us to 442 00:36:51,519 --> 00:36:55,519 God. So who is outside of time, and so time itself kind of 443 00:36:55,519 --> 00:37:01,000 has to be grounded in something super temporal outside out of time. And then 444 00:37:01,119 --> 00:37:05,559 you know, again God being personal, not just an abstract force or something 445 00:37:05,599 --> 00:37:10,119 like that like you might find in Platonism, that actually gives us again telos, 446 00:37:10,159 --> 00:37:15,599 intentionality and purpose, and that history doesn't just keep going. It has 447 00:37:15,760 --> 00:37:19,800 actually a beginning, a middle, and an end because as an end has 448 00:37:19,840 --> 00:37:22,800 a purpose. So things are actually moving towards some climax, and they're not 449 00:37:22,880 --> 00:37:27,320 just moving on infinitely. I mean there will be an escton. But in 450 00:37:27,360 --> 00:37:30,719 the sense of history, what we mean by history is beginning milling in that 451 00:37:30,760 --> 00:37:36,800 actually gives us purpose insofar as humans are constituted in this life to learn things, 452 00:37:36,800 --> 00:37:38,079 to know things, and to have purpose. So what it will be 453 00:37:38,199 --> 00:37:42,760 like in the escaton we don't exactly know. We kind of have these inklings 454 00:37:42,800 --> 00:37:46,480 in terms of orthodox eschatology. But for the way that we know and live 455 00:37:46,559 --> 00:37:50,320 and move and operate in the here and the now in this world which has 456 00:37:50,360 --> 00:37:53,360 fallen, which is temporal, there's certain things that have to be the case, 457 00:37:53,400 --> 00:37:58,559 that have to be there in these we typically call categories. You could 458 00:37:58,559 --> 00:38:02,599 look at Aristotle's categories. Kant later kind of trust to reformulate these as transcendental 459 00:38:02,599 --> 00:38:07,519 categories, and unfortunately he makes them only mental. I wouldn't agree with making 460 00:38:07,559 --> 00:38:12,320 them only mental. That's the Enlightenment move to smush everything eminently into into the 461 00:38:12,400 --> 00:38:15,440 human mind. I think if we keep these things exterior to man in the 462 00:38:15,480 --> 00:38:22,920 actual world, categories of interpreting and knowing the world, categories of being and 463 00:38:22,920 --> 00:38:29,039 so forth, then we actually have a coherent worldview. When we throw out 464 00:38:29,079 --> 00:38:31,800 those things we tried to deny, these basic ideas, that's when we get 465 00:38:31,800 --> 00:38:37,320 into these problems, which is what happened at the Enlightenment doesn't mean medieval philosophy 466 00:38:37,360 --> 00:38:42,239 is absolutely perfect. I think that there can be developments and things that build 467 00:38:42,320 --> 00:38:52,480 on errors or empty spots in medieval philosophy that can be patched up or fixed. 468 00:38:52,280 --> 00:38:55,159 But to throw the baby out with the bathwater, which we saw in 469 00:38:55,159 --> 00:38:59,639 the Enlightenment, I think was a huge mistake, and it really set the 470 00:38:59,679 --> 00:39:04,639 West on the ideological truck that it's on now, which is just complete collapse 471 00:39:04,679 --> 00:39:09,599 in the kay so far from you know, man progressing. In terms of 472 00:39:09,639 --> 00:39:15,119 all of these great technological advancements and all the scientific advancements, I actually think 473 00:39:15,119 --> 00:39:19,119 that a lot of that is illusory. Not that we haven't had these advancements, 474 00:39:19,119 --> 00:39:24,239 but I don't believe that those advancements came from the presuppositions of materialism. 475 00:39:24,840 --> 00:39:31,000 And I don't think that scientism or any kind of new religion like materialism is 476 00:39:31,039 --> 00:39:37,039 in any way actually going to further anything. Rather, those ideas actually degrade 477 00:39:37,039 --> 00:39:45,039 and devolve us. Now, the concepts of truth have been always been attacked 478 00:39:45,239 --> 00:39:53,760 throughout history forever, and one particular critique of truth who and one person who, 479 00:39:53,840 --> 00:40:00,199 I mean I admire deeply, one person who has maybe attack truth may 480 00:40:00,239 --> 00:40:05,199 be harder than anyone else. Frederick Nietzche. I've read a lot of Nietzche 481 00:40:05,199 --> 00:40:09,599 in the past, and his work is known, whether people know it or 482 00:40:09,679 --> 00:40:15,280 not. He's had a huge influence on Western thinking and if you so, 483 00:40:15,280 --> 00:40:21,159 if you read Nietzsche, he and his letters, especially Wealth to Power. 484 00:40:21,480 --> 00:40:24,719 But when he just used to write on truth, there is this one passage 485 00:40:24,760 --> 00:40:32,599 where he was speaking about talking about truth as the mirror, like when we 486 00:40:32,639 --> 00:40:37,440 are fluxing, how we were talking about words and sounds, and which then 487 00:40:37,559 --> 00:40:42,519 later rolls up to postmodernism. He would think he was. When he was 488 00:40:42,559 --> 00:40:50,599 critiquing truth, he said, is is the reality itself contained just by words? 489 00:40:50,679 --> 00:40:54,920 Are we just restrained by words? So that then then I want to 490 00:40:54,960 --> 00:41:01,039 take that because if you take knee Te's critique of truth, is truth just 491 00:41:01,440 --> 00:41:06,599 the words and the sounds? And he even went deeper into saying, is 492 00:41:06,599 --> 00:41:10,519 it just is it just the mere like actual sounds or the letters or the 493 00:41:10,559 --> 00:41:14,599 letters true, or the or the spaces in between the letters. Is that 494 00:41:14,679 --> 00:41:16,960 where the truth is? Is it just the tone of my voice? Is 495 00:41:17,239 --> 00:41:21,440 it the mere sound? What? What where is it? If you take 496 00:41:21,519 --> 00:41:28,239 that and then you take John and when you say when in how he conceptualized 497 00:41:28,280 --> 00:41:34,639 truth. The logos is the word. Do you see a connection there between 498 00:41:34,880 --> 00:41:38,079 the word the truth being like the word as the word in this case would 499 00:41:38,119 --> 00:41:45,360 be God versus Nietzsche's idea of truth being truth just being just merely words, 500 00:41:46,639 --> 00:41:51,119 Like what do you think the relationship between that is? Because I've always that's 501 00:41:51,119 --> 00:41:55,960 always struck me. Yea, I think is actually a legitimate question given the 502 00:41:55,960 --> 00:42:01,519 status of philosophy at his time and in his day, so where things had 503 00:42:01,559 --> 00:42:07,920 gone, it is perfectly legitimate for him to ask, especially when he's critiquing 504 00:42:07,960 --> 00:42:10,719 a lot of I mean, he does critique Christians, but he also critiques 505 00:42:10,760 --> 00:42:15,280 a lot of the progressives in the atheists of his day, and he says, 506 00:42:15,559 --> 00:42:22,480 you have the same idealistic, universalist notions of truth of promoting your atheist 507 00:42:22,519 --> 00:42:24,000 gospel. I mean, even makes fun of the atheist He calls them the 508 00:42:24,039 --> 00:42:29,360 pale atheists and makes fun of them as the new evangelist. And I think 509 00:42:29,360 --> 00:42:31,119 it's the same work. Maybe aka home, I forget it's been I haven't 510 00:42:31,119 --> 00:42:35,360 had a Nietzsche class in like ten years, but we did read those texts 511 00:42:35,360 --> 00:42:39,559 that you're talking about. But yeah, I mean, he's basically saying, 512 00:42:39,599 --> 00:42:45,559 look, if you want to still act as of language has this ability to 513 00:42:46,199 --> 00:42:52,039 give you insights into reality itself, into meaning, and into truth, then 514 00:42:52,559 --> 00:42:55,679 where in any of this is truth? Right you? Coul's kind of a 515 00:42:55,719 --> 00:43:01,079 human question, where in my experience is causing or is teleology? I see 516 00:43:01,079 --> 00:43:06,119 one event, I see this event, and you're just calling that causation or 517 00:43:06,239 --> 00:43:10,960 teleology. But that's an interpretation. So I think Nietzsch's got a great point 518 00:43:12,079 --> 00:43:16,960 there that would actually undermine the older Enlightenment narratives. And Nietzsch is actually good 519 00:43:16,960 --> 00:43:23,199 for that. Some of the existentialists are really good for undermining and disproving these 520 00:43:23,320 --> 00:43:30,880 older Enlightenment notions of again universalizing abstract truths, principles, concepts, nature, 521 00:43:30,920 --> 00:43:36,760 et cetera. You know, care Kerguard has a similar type of critique. 522 00:43:37,039 --> 00:43:39,239 Dostievsky has a similar type of critique. In fact, I wrote an essay 523 00:43:39,800 --> 00:43:47,079 that's in my metain Ritis book on how Kirkerguard, Dostievsky, and Nietzsche really 524 00:43:47,400 --> 00:43:52,960 critique and destroy the Enlightenment and they That doesn't mean that they all three have 525 00:43:52,559 --> 00:43:58,679 exactly the same answers or solutions, but their critiques are good enough to destroy 526 00:43:58,880 --> 00:44:04,119 the Enlightenment narratives of the grand narrative of the Enlightenment that they had that we 527 00:44:04,159 --> 00:44:08,719 don't need God. We can have abstract truth through science, through mathematics, 528 00:44:08,760 --> 00:44:15,320 through universal laws of logic. You know, Kant wrote this essay about how 529 00:44:15,360 --> 00:44:19,920 we'll have a universal system of trade and then we'll have a world government, 530 00:44:19,960 --> 00:44:22,480 and then we won't have war anymore, because once everybody sees the prosperity that 531 00:44:22,519 --> 00:44:24,599 you can have with the world government, nobody will want to go to war. 532 00:44:24,679 --> 00:44:28,079 I mean, just really silly, stupid, naive ideas, right, 533 00:44:28,519 --> 00:44:34,360 not even just just not based in reality of falling human nature. And because 534 00:44:34,360 --> 00:44:37,400 if you don't believe in the fall, you're going to adopt the view where 535 00:44:37,440 --> 00:44:45,679 you think that man's the solution to man's problems are governmental economic social programs, 536 00:44:46,320 --> 00:44:52,039 you know, what you could call Pallagian solutions to man's problems. That's kind 537 00:44:52,039 --> 00:44:54,639 of what plagies. If you don't believe in the fall, then you will 538 00:44:55,400 --> 00:45:00,599 and habit the pride. The pride will your yeah and your solut you will. 539 00:45:00,639 --> 00:45:07,159 You will misdiagnose man's problems and give him the wrong solutions. Right like 540 00:45:07,840 --> 00:45:14,360 today, since we are believed to be just bags of meat. I mean, 541 00:45:14,360 --> 00:45:20,559 the dominance of the Rockerfellers put out this this study, uh, the 542 00:45:20,599 --> 00:45:25,679 molecular vision of life. And basically, because man is seen as just this, 543 00:45:25,679 --> 00:45:31,079 this collection of chemicals, the assumption is that you would only treat man's 544 00:45:31,159 --> 00:45:36,880 problems by throwing chemicals at chemicals. Hence big pharma. Right, So the 545 00:45:36,920 --> 00:45:43,920 solutions of the pharmaceutical corporations align with a kind of biology which sees man as 546 00:45:44,119 --> 00:45:47,440 just a bag of chemical reactions. So just tweak the chemicals with more chemicals. 547 00:45:49,199 --> 00:45:53,679 So that's a specifically a reductionist model out of the enlightenment of man as 548 00:45:53,719 --> 00:45:57,920 just a just another, you know, one of the animals in the animal 549 00:45:58,039 --> 00:46:01,639 kingdom. So man's loss is dignity. He's the greater himself. Yeah, 550 00:46:01,840 --> 00:46:04,800 yeah, anyway, so yeah, you get the point. And so I 551 00:46:04,800 --> 00:46:08,400 think Nietzsche's right to raise that question of well, where is truth? Where 552 00:46:08,519 --> 00:46:14,599 is the exagesus and the meaning of something in the words? And I think 553 00:46:14,599 --> 00:46:20,840 that when John calls Jesus the logos a few verses later in John One, 554 00:46:20,880 --> 00:46:24,360 he also says that that he is the by saying he's the word of the 555 00:46:24,400 --> 00:46:31,599 Father. It says that he exegeats or explains the Father, and so meaning 556 00:46:32,119 --> 00:46:37,920 found in Christ ultimately exegetes, meaning that it explains our life, it gives 557 00:46:37,920 --> 00:46:39,599 our luck, meaning purpose, all of that it's bound up in that. 558 00:46:40,199 --> 00:46:45,199 In that word that is the expression of the inexpressible. So we will never 559 00:46:45,519 --> 00:46:52,159 ultimately have totality knowledge of God. And the Eastern Fathers like sing Greg and 560 00:46:52,199 --> 00:46:55,440 Nissa, they even speak of how we will forever be going up into God. 561 00:46:55,480 --> 00:46:59,480 We will forever be moving up into God, learning more and more. 562 00:47:00,280 --> 00:47:04,440 And that's great because that means that you'll never be satiated, You'll always want 563 00:47:04,480 --> 00:47:10,440 more, so as you're enjoying the experience of God in the process, right, 564 00:47:12,119 --> 00:47:15,360 you're not going through process philosophy that's never giving you truth. It's just 565 00:47:15,599 --> 00:47:20,639 moving from truth to truth, to truth to truth more truth. Whereas in 566 00:47:20,719 --> 00:47:23,079 the process philosophy idea that we talked about a minute ago, you never have 567 00:47:23,159 --> 00:47:28,400 truth. Everything is relative, even in the process itself. It's supposed to 568 00:47:28,440 --> 00:47:31,000 be oh, well, it's just raw experience. Well, raw experience doesn't 569 00:47:31,039 --> 00:47:39,239 have any meaning if there's no truth, Jay, who is God and why 570 00:47:39,599 --> 00:47:49,360 should someone believe in God? I think God is the Trinity, Father, 571 00:47:49,440 --> 00:47:53,800 Son, and Holy Spirit, Ultimately, God is God the Father, and 572 00:47:53,920 --> 00:47:59,079 the way that we have access to God the Father is through his only begotten 573 00:47:59,119 --> 00:48:02,440 Son, and the means of that is in the Holy Spirit. So from 574 00:48:02,440 --> 00:48:06,639 the Father, through the Son, and in the Spirit, as Saint Basil 575 00:48:06,679 --> 00:48:13,400 says, is a liturgical movement that tells us about the movement within God himself, 576 00:48:13,519 --> 00:48:19,199 who is triad. So God is not a perfectly static idea like the 577 00:48:19,239 --> 00:48:23,199 Greeks thought, like Plato or whoever Pythagoras. God is not a changing being 578 00:48:23,239 --> 00:48:29,519 in the sense of being one thing one day and something else another day. 579 00:48:29,760 --> 00:48:34,239 But there is movement within God, which is the communal life of the triad 580 00:48:35,000 --> 00:48:40,880 without there being change or without God being passable, and so there's a dynamic 581 00:48:42,000 --> 00:48:45,400 stasis, which is the term that the Eastern Fathers use about how God transcends 582 00:48:45,440 --> 00:48:52,199 dialectics. So he's neither purely one, nor is he only three that would 583 00:48:52,239 --> 00:48:55,639 be polytheism. But he's one in three, three and one, and he's 584 00:48:55,679 --> 00:49:00,800 equally three as he is equally one, and so there's an equal ultimacy which 585 00:49:00,840 --> 00:49:02,679 solves the problem of the one of the many. I think in history philosophy, 586 00:49:02,760 --> 00:49:07,000 if your ultimate principle is a triad, you don't have the problem of 587 00:49:07,000 --> 00:49:09,360 the one of the many anymore. So that's who I think God is in 588 00:49:09,440 --> 00:49:14,880 terms of his metaphysical quote definition. Even though we could never really define God, 589 00:49:15,039 --> 00:49:20,199 we can speak about how he's revealed himself. We can't exhaustively define him, 590 00:49:20,519 --> 00:49:24,480 and then he's known or had a relationship with through the means of in 591 00:49:24,519 --> 00:49:30,119 my view, the Orthodox Church. So that's who God is, and the 592 00:49:30,960 --> 00:49:35,440 reason that I would say we believe in God is also many. I think 593 00:49:35,480 --> 00:49:39,840 there's a lot of testimonies in terms of messianic prophecies in the Old Testament that 594 00:49:40,039 --> 00:49:45,360 Christ perfectly fulfills. Those I think are evidences of the inspiration of the scriptures. 595 00:49:46,440 --> 00:49:50,880 There's the history of the witness of the Church throughout the centuries, the 596 00:49:50,920 --> 00:49:54,039 fulfillment of the prophecies of the gentile nations converting, which we've seen in the 597 00:49:54,079 --> 00:49:59,679 last two thousand years, which I think attests to Christ being the Messiah. 598 00:50:00,039 --> 00:50:02,679 Topically, though, I think that the transcendental argument for God is a good 599 00:50:02,760 --> 00:50:07,679 argument for why God exists and why he must be a certain type of God 600 00:50:07,679 --> 00:50:12,960 and not just any God. And then my own experience, just in my 601 00:50:13,039 --> 00:50:16,840 personal subjective, you know, one to one in terms of my life and 602 00:50:16,880 --> 00:50:20,440 the history of the church. All of those are reasons why I believe and 603 00:50:20,519 --> 00:50:29,119 why why I think it's true now something that's always troubled me as well. 604 00:50:29,119 --> 00:50:30,880 I didn't always. I'll just be up front. I didn't always believe in 605 00:50:30,920 --> 00:50:36,280 God, especially when I was a kid, even though I was brought up 606 00:50:36,519 --> 00:50:39,639 in a religious household me. My grandfather was a preacher. He has just 607 00:50:39,840 --> 00:50:46,079 he had a doctorate in theology. And I went through a period where I 608 00:50:46,119 --> 00:50:51,280 did not believe. Well, I thought there was a God, but I 609 00:50:51,280 --> 00:50:53,840 did not fear I didn't fear him. I didn't have the fear of him. 610 00:50:54,239 --> 00:50:58,800 He didn't have his Uh. I didn't get it. I didn't get 611 00:50:58,880 --> 00:51:06,280 why I should take this seriously. And to people who maybe don't believe in 612 00:51:06,320 --> 00:51:10,679 people who are struggling to believe, I always try to put myself in their 613 00:51:10,760 --> 00:51:15,039 head because I tend to look at things from my psychological perspective. I'm always 614 00:51:15,039 --> 00:51:22,079 trying to understand why that person thinks the way that they think and when so 615 00:51:22,239 --> 00:51:27,440 look at the life of Let's just use Cain for an example. Even though 616 00:51:27,440 --> 00:51:32,960 now to kin believe in God or not, that is an odd question, 617 00:51:34,320 --> 00:51:37,960 because he was kind of talking to him. But so then you have to 618 00:51:37,960 --> 00:51:40,159 ask, what does the word believe mean? Does that mean that you trust 619 00:51:40,199 --> 00:51:43,400 that he is who he says he is, or do you think that you 620 00:51:43,440 --> 00:51:46,679 are hearing things? As a conversation for another day, but let's pretend that 621 00:51:46,719 --> 00:51:52,280 you're a Caine, or just pretend that you're someone who has had a very 622 00:51:52,559 --> 00:52:00,119 rough life like Christ or someone you're doing everything possible to just stay afloat. 623 00:52:00,239 --> 00:52:07,280 You're trying, you're making the you think you're making proper sacrifices, you're putting 624 00:52:07,280 --> 00:52:13,280 them at the altar of God or what have you. And but you look 625 00:52:13,320 --> 00:52:15,559 to your left, you look to your right, and you look up, 626 00:52:15,599 --> 00:52:20,159 and you look down. You look around, and you see other people making 627 00:52:20,199 --> 00:52:23,679 it. You see other people receiving blessings. You see other people getting things 628 00:52:23,679 --> 00:52:29,920 that you want. You see other people obtaining things that you worked your ass 629 00:52:29,960 --> 00:52:32,800 off for, but they just seem to get it just a little easier than 630 00:52:32,840 --> 00:52:39,440 you. And that emotion, that that spirit of well, why are they 631 00:52:39,440 --> 00:52:43,159 getting all this stuff? Why do they under why do they have it easy? 632 00:52:43,199 --> 00:52:45,599 Why did they have both parents growing up? Why did they have clothes 633 00:52:45,639 --> 00:52:49,840 on their back? Food, in their stomach. A family who loves them, 634 00:52:50,000 --> 00:52:53,199 grow up in a suburban area, didn't have to look behind them. 635 00:52:53,360 --> 00:52:58,119 Could what play outside without street lights? Why did they have that? And 636 00:52:58,159 --> 00:53:02,400 you're doing everything possible, and then you put your sacrifice out there, and 637 00:53:02,440 --> 00:53:07,719 then God or the world says And this is one of my favorite verses. 638 00:53:07,760 --> 00:53:13,360 I think I believe it's Census four three. If thou doest well, shalt 639 00:53:13,360 --> 00:53:17,880 thou not be accepted? And I always think about that every time I catch 640 00:53:17,960 --> 00:53:24,000 myself being kan or I catch myself being that the spirit that begins to deny 641 00:53:24,920 --> 00:53:30,480 God, if thou doest well shot down not be ex shall that not be 642 00:53:30,559 --> 00:53:35,079 accepted? So if someone who like that, who is trying their best, 643 00:53:35,559 --> 00:53:40,400 or maybe they're they aren't because their blessings their or their their efforts aren't being 644 00:53:42,159 --> 00:53:46,280 met, what what do you? How does that w How does believing in 645 00:53:46,719 --> 00:53:53,719 an entity that is refusing to bless you? How does that make you? 646 00:53:54,760 --> 00:54:00,480 Why does that? Why should that encourage you to seek him further? If 647 00:54:00,519 --> 00:54:07,840 you're not seeing the benefits of believing in such a god, because I think 648 00:54:07,960 --> 00:54:12,519 some people don't believe, or some people are reluctant to it because they're saying, 649 00:54:12,559 --> 00:54:16,400 well, what what am what am I getting out of this? And 650 00:54:16,480 --> 00:54:20,199 maybe thinking what do I get? What am I getting out of this is 651 00:54:20,199 --> 00:54:23,280 the wrong mindset of itself. But what would you say to someone who is 652 00:54:23,679 --> 00:54:28,760 experiencing that type of a type of life where it's nothing seems to be going 653 00:54:28,760 --> 00:54:34,320 well no matter what they're doing. So how and I have been worshiping God 654 00:54:34,400 --> 00:54:37,960 this whole entire time, so you're telling me I need to get closer to 655 00:54:37,119 --> 00:54:45,400 something that is refusing to acknowledge my efforts. What would you say to that 656 00:54:45,440 --> 00:54:51,280 person who is experiencing that spirit of Cain, who is beginning to be who 657 00:54:51,320 --> 00:54:53,880 is who? That resentment is building up and maybe they're just ready to take 658 00:54:53,920 --> 00:55:01,119 out someone question. I guess my first thought would be that, you know, 659 00:55:02,840 --> 00:55:12,400 our religion doesn't promise that first and foremost you will get temporal blessings and 660 00:55:12,480 --> 00:55:16,119 prosperity. You may get temporal blessings and prosperity, but there's no promise or 661 00:55:16,119 --> 00:55:22,679 guarantee of that. The promise and the guarantee has to do with the next 662 00:55:22,719 --> 00:55:28,719 life and the blessings and the prosperity there. But I do think that it's 663 00:55:28,760 --> 00:55:31,079 also true that God does bless us and give us prosperity in this life as 664 00:55:31,119 --> 00:55:36,320 well. It's just not a guarantee. But nations that have, you know, 665 00:55:36,360 --> 00:55:40,760 adopted Christian principles and have been faithful to them have tended to do very 666 00:55:40,760 --> 00:55:45,039 well. I think that's one of the strong points of Western civilization, and 667 00:55:45,079 --> 00:55:49,960 why it did do well was that it had this foundation, It had this 668 00:55:50,000 --> 00:55:55,920 ethic, it has had this moral and so while there is no perfect ultimate 669 00:55:55,960 --> 00:56:00,280 promise that you know you're going to have, like prosperity preachers tell you, 670 00:56:00,360 --> 00:56:05,280 like like on TBN that if you give five dollars, you're going to get 671 00:56:05,280 --> 00:56:10,360 the tenfold blessing of five hundred dollars back. You know, if that's the 672 00:56:10,480 --> 00:56:15,920 expectation, then like you said, the mindset's wrong. The mindset needs to 673 00:56:15,000 --> 00:56:19,440 be well, I wait a minute. You know, if God is the 674 00:56:19,480 --> 00:56:22,760 god of the universe, then he probably knows what's going on better than I 675 00:56:22,800 --> 00:56:27,239 do. Right. It's kind of like the exchange that goes on in the 676 00:56:27,239 --> 00:56:30,719 Book of Job because Joe has Yeah, Job has similar questions about like, 677 00:56:30,960 --> 00:56:35,639 well, why are the wicked prospering? Why if I've been righteous, am 678 00:56:35,679 --> 00:56:37,320 I you know, sick with boils all over? My skin, and my 679 00:56:37,360 --> 00:56:40,760 wife wants to leave me, and I'm having all these issues and that's not 680 00:56:40,880 --> 00:56:45,960 fair. And then after all of that, Job ends up because he remains 681 00:56:45,960 --> 00:56:50,280 faithful, blessed even more than before. And in Job's case, it's not 682 00:56:50,320 --> 00:56:53,400 just spiritful, it's also actual temporal blessings. So you know, God can 683 00:56:53,840 --> 00:56:59,599 dole out the blessings as he sees fit, and he does at times put 684 00:56:59,679 --> 00:57:05,440 us through trials and tribulations to strengthen us and to weed out those that are 685 00:57:05,599 --> 00:57:07,960 just there for you know, a quick box, just there for the here 686 00:57:08,000 --> 00:57:14,320 and the now. So yeah, I think I think that's that's the lesson 687 00:57:14,320 --> 00:57:19,000 that we're supposed to get from the Caine enable story, which is that Caine's 688 00:57:19,039 --> 00:57:23,920 heart and his mindset was wrong. Yeah. And I watched the video you 689 00:57:23,960 --> 00:57:28,960 were you were talking about you were looking at that book. You that you 690 00:57:29,079 --> 00:57:32,199 just put up the fire in the minds of it, was firing the minds 691 00:57:32,239 --> 00:57:37,760 of sorry for out the name of it. Yeah, fire in the minds 692 00:57:37,760 --> 00:57:39,800 of men. You were speaking about him, and but you were also talking 693 00:57:39,800 --> 00:57:44,400 about Plato and you and you were talking you said that Flato was a communist 694 00:57:44,920 --> 00:57:46,559 and that was very interesting, and I want to ask you about that later 695 00:57:46,599 --> 00:57:50,880 on. But I also think that, and that was quite a while ago, 696 00:57:51,159 --> 00:57:53,480 but I think that the at and tell me what you think about this. 697 00:57:54,679 --> 00:58:00,679 I think Cain was the first communist ever in history. And I'll explain 698 00:58:00,760 --> 00:58:06,639 that. I'll try to explain that because if you look at the story Cain 699 00:58:06,880 --> 00:58:13,960 and Abel, and now it doesn't come out and say that one's sacrifices, 700 00:58:14,400 --> 00:58:19,679 one sacrifices was better than the other. And there are some conservatives will who 701 00:58:19,679 --> 00:58:23,760 will argue that, well, well, Abel was, he was, it 702 00:58:23,800 --> 00:58:28,760 was a blood sacrifice and Caine was doing something that wasn't, and they'll try 703 00:58:28,800 --> 00:58:35,320 to argue it or whatever. But I think that the spirit of the that 704 00:58:35,480 --> 00:58:40,800 revolutionary Marxist communist spirit first manifested itself in the Book of Genesis with Cain. 705 00:58:42,039 --> 00:58:46,719 Because Abel was putting. Obviously he was doing something right, and we get 706 00:58:46,719 --> 00:58:51,320 a hint that he did something right because God said, if thou doest well, 707 00:58:51,519 --> 00:58:54,079 shall not not be expected. So we can infer that Abel was doing 708 00:58:54,159 --> 00:59:01,360 well and Cain wasn't. Cain was expecting the same outcome. Caine was the 709 00:59:01,400 --> 00:59:10,960 spirit that wanted equality of outcome. He wanted the fruits of his brother's labor, 710 00:59:12,920 --> 00:59:16,440 and that spirit manifested itself at that point, and that's what we're seeing 711 00:59:16,960 --> 00:59:22,400 play out today. Well, someone who put in the work, who saved 712 00:59:22,400 --> 00:59:25,800 their money, who didn't drink every week, drink and party and go out 713 00:59:25,840 --> 00:59:31,199 every single weekend, who didn't sleep with women, and whoever they wanted to 714 00:59:31,239 --> 00:59:37,199 sleep with. I put in the work. I studied, why should this 715 00:59:37,400 --> 00:59:45,639 other kid get the same level of opportunity as the Asian kid when the black 716 00:59:45,719 --> 00:59:49,000 kid or even the white kid in this And it's just because white kids are 717 00:59:49,079 --> 00:59:53,119 betting, white kids are getting just their applications are getting tossed at the expense 718 00:59:53,239 --> 00:59:58,760 of minorities and the expense of other people because of this whole woke stuff going 719 00:59:58,800 --> 01:00:05,239 on right now. But they want He wanted an equality of outcome. And 720 01:00:05,400 --> 01:00:08,960 I think that that story is is important. And you made the connection with 721 01:00:09,159 --> 01:00:13,599 Job because it's like when Job was, you know, confessing to God, 722 01:00:14,159 --> 01:00:16,440 what are we doing? And the whole thing was literally a test to see 723 01:00:17,480 --> 01:00:22,480 his faith in God. And he says to Job, you know, and 724 01:00:22,559 --> 01:00:24,320 this is a verse that's always stuck with me. He said, where were 725 01:00:24,400 --> 01:00:30,320 you when I lay with the foundations upon the earth? So Job was bitching 726 01:00:30,360 --> 01:00:38,840 about his problems, and Cain was complaining about his problems, and people nowadays 727 01:00:38,880 --> 01:00:44,039 are complaining about their problems. I complain about my problems. But then in 728 01:00:44,239 --> 01:00:46,400 every instance, when it happened to Job, when happened in Genesis, that 729 01:00:46,679 --> 01:00:53,039 paternal spirit then manifests itself and it says, basically says something like, well, 730 01:00:53,079 --> 01:00:57,760 who the hell are you anyway? Where did you get this idea that 731 01:00:59,559 --> 01:01:01,280 the world the world does not revolve around you? Where did you get this 732 01:01:01,480 --> 01:01:08,000 idea that you were promised some sort of you were promised some sort of reward. 733 01:01:08,880 --> 01:01:14,480 Yeah, God said y'all shall be accepted, never said you were going 734 01:01:14,559 --> 01:01:17,920 to get a made back. So I think when people can look at that 735 01:01:19,079 --> 01:01:22,920 story in that kind of sense, I really do think that he was the 736 01:01:23,360 --> 01:01:31,079 He was a manifestation of that of that Marxist ethos because spirit dy and I've 737 01:01:31,159 --> 01:01:37,440 always thought Marxism is grounded on envy, right, that it's not fair I 738 01:01:37,679 --> 01:01:45,679 deserve what they've got, We all deserve equality, But ironically that's actually greed, 739 01:01:46,119 --> 01:01:50,639 Like if you want what other people have, if you're envious, you're 740 01:01:50,639 --> 01:01:53,840 actually engaging in greed. But Marxism pretends to want to get rid of greed. 741 01:01:54,039 --> 01:01:57,719 Right, So it's actually based I think you're right that, I mean, 742 01:01:57,840 --> 01:02:01,199 kine is the sin of envy, right, because ultimately that dialogue becomes 743 01:02:01,239 --> 01:02:06,159 a question of well, do you love your brother? And he says, 744 01:02:06,719 --> 01:02:08,960 and my my brother's keeper. In other words, I'm not responsible for him. 745 01:02:08,960 --> 01:02:14,960 I don't care about him. It's about me. So that movement towards 746 01:02:15,079 --> 01:02:20,480 self worship, that movement towards like you're saying, n V greed, that 747 01:02:20,760 --> 01:02:23,639 is the spirit of communism. I think that's a that's a very insightful point. 748 01:02:24,519 --> 01:02:30,280 So speaking of that, we might as well go into that because I 749 01:02:30,320 --> 01:02:31,679 really, I really did. You've now you've done a lot of work on 750 01:02:32,239 --> 01:02:37,360 Marxist ideology and Marx and Hegel and you know, you've done a ton of 751 01:02:37,400 --> 01:02:45,760 analyzes on that, and something that was something that really always bothered me about 752 01:02:45,159 --> 01:02:52,480 the whole Marxist thing is that, And I want to know your opinion on 753 01:02:52,559 --> 01:02:57,559 this. Now, if you look at the actual revolution where people were really 754 01:02:57,760 --> 01:03:02,400 like going in the streets and they were like really like causing havoc, like 755 01:03:02,800 --> 01:03:07,960 during the seventeen that nineteen seventeen right where they were like actually they were really 756 01:03:08,000 --> 01:03:14,079 about that life, and I think that that kind of and then rugging Marxism 757 01:03:14,199 --> 01:03:17,599 came about with people like I think his name was rams Shee, who then 758 01:03:19,719 --> 01:03:23,239 insisted that this sort of like milk toast Marxism that Karl Marx puts forward, 759 01:03:23,280 --> 01:03:25,480 that's not enough. There needs to be we need to take in the action, 760 01:03:25,599 --> 01:03:28,159 we need to take in the streets, we need, we need to 761 01:03:28,199 --> 01:03:30,760 get into the schools. And then that led to critical theory and critical race 762 01:03:30,840 --> 01:03:37,480 theory and what have you. I think a lot of people like to latch 763 01:03:37,639 --> 01:03:43,079 themselves on to Marxism as like an identity, as like a I'm in this, 764 01:03:43,280 --> 01:03:47,119 I'm in this club, not like but they're not actually like about it. 765 01:03:47,320 --> 01:03:52,800 They don't really believe like to each according to with the ability for each 766 01:03:52,800 --> 01:03:54,760 according to his need. They really don't are not really about that life. 767 01:03:54,800 --> 01:04:00,400 They just want to be seen in this group of people who are just the 768 01:04:00,039 --> 01:04:05,159 adversarial spirits. There's a group of people who are just resentful and they're jealous 769 01:04:05,239 --> 01:04:10,480 and they want they want the fruits of other people's labor. Now, now 770 01:04:10,559 --> 01:04:15,760 the question is why do you think I and I have an answer to this, 771 01:04:15,880 --> 01:04:18,039 but why do you think particularly is with the youth, because you really 772 01:04:18,039 --> 01:04:20,639 don't see a lot of and if you do see a lot of adults, 773 01:04:20,960 --> 01:04:25,360 it's more in a more discreete type of way. They're more like kind of 774 01:04:25,480 --> 01:04:29,760 classic socialists. They don't really believe that you know what most mind, yours 775 01:04:29,880 --> 01:04:33,039 was yours mind. They just probably want the rich people to pay higher taxes 776 01:04:33,079 --> 01:04:38,000 and they probably would like to see, you know, more universal basic health 777 01:04:38,199 --> 01:04:41,960 care systems in place. They're not really like, they're not they're not really 778 01:04:42,039 --> 01:04:45,159 trying to like invade your per They don't they don't not believe in private property. 779 01:04:45,480 --> 01:04:49,920 So why do you think it's the youth particular who are so driven towards 780 01:04:49,960 --> 01:04:55,320 these ideologies? And what do you think? What do you think why do 781 01:04:55,400 --> 01:05:00,840 you think Marxists in those ideologies, period, gender identity, these ideas ideologies 782 01:05:00,039 --> 01:05:05,719 in total? Why do you think it's drawing the youth so much? I 783 01:05:05,840 --> 01:05:15,000 think that that's kind of an easy question to answer, because youth are idealistic, 784 01:05:15,199 --> 01:05:18,519 and so when you're young, you don't have enough life experience yet to 785 01:05:18,639 --> 01:05:26,280 be able to distance yourself from ideology. You get very wrapped up into ideology 786 01:05:26,960 --> 01:05:30,639 because you're still young, your mind is still forming, you're still very susceptible 787 01:05:30,760 --> 01:05:36,760 to living in your mind and believing that the thing that's going on in your 788 01:05:36,840 --> 01:05:41,320 head that you can map that onto the external world. So you believe a 789 01:05:41,360 --> 01:05:45,360 lot of dumb stuff when you're young, and it's not until you get about 790 01:05:45,599 --> 01:05:49,480 over age thirty or forty that you really start to I think, in a 791 01:05:49,559 --> 01:05:58,719 lot of ways develop some wisdom beyond just ideology and being idealistic. And you 792 01:05:58,800 --> 01:06:00,639 know, you might have a lot of knowledge, but you still don't have 793 01:06:00,880 --> 01:06:04,599 wisdom. And you know, you talked about that earlier about we were kind 794 01:06:04,639 --> 01:06:08,880 of hint hinting about you know, what's the difference between you know, the 795 01:06:08,960 --> 01:06:13,079 fear of the Lord's the beginning of wisdom. So people can have a lot 796 01:06:13,159 --> 01:06:17,320 of knowledge and be fools, right, because knowledge is just retaining a lot 797 01:06:17,360 --> 01:06:20,559 of facts, knowing a lot of information. And you could use that to 798 01:06:21,199 --> 01:06:24,920 I call that though, that's the well rounded fold. That's kind of like 799 01:06:25,320 --> 01:06:30,079 the motif of my whole entire work. But go ahead, oh there you 800 01:06:30,159 --> 01:06:33,719 go, right, So, and I think biblically speaking, wisdom, you 801 01:06:33,800 --> 01:06:38,559 know, embodied inn't say the person of Solomon or ultimately in the person of 802 01:06:38,639 --> 01:06:44,920 Christ as personified wisdom. You have the application of the knowledge in the appropriate 803 01:06:45,000 --> 01:06:49,159 way. Usually knowledge the right way is what wisdom is, and so young 804 01:06:49,239 --> 01:06:54,960 people don't have wisdom typically, and we're all that way. So I think 805 01:06:55,400 --> 01:07:01,880 very machiavellian and manipulative people who run movement, who fund movements, who are 806 01:07:01,960 --> 01:07:06,599 social engineers or technocrats, or people at you know, the Brazinski level, 807 01:07:06,719 --> 01:07:15,960 the Kissinger level. These kinds of figures are intelligent enough and cunny enough that 808 01:07:15,280 --> 01:07:19,840 they know that these kinds of movements and groups and ideologies can be manipulated. 809 01:07:20,400 --> 01:07:26,239 And so it's absolutely essential then to target and try to capture the mind and 810 01:07:26,320 --> 01:07:30,159 the energy, the zeal of the youth, because that's when you have the 811 01:07:30,320 --> 01:07:33,280 energy to do all the activism and to be all wrapped up in this stuff. 812 01:07:34,039 --> 01:07:38,840 And you know, that's unfortunately the way these kinds of movements work, 813 01:07:38,920 --> 01:07:43,400 because as you get older, you realize all that crap I believed about living 814 01:07:43,440 --> 01:07:46,480 in a commune is not actually that much fun. Because I'm thirty, I'm 815 01:07:46,480 --> 01:07:50,559 ready to have my own soap and towel and bathroom. I'm tired of sharing 816 01:07:50,599 --> 01:07:55,800 it with ten other people. It's getting nasty in here. Maybe I want 817 01:07:55,840 --> 01:07:59,119 to start my own business and as you get older and you decide you want 818 01:07:59,119 --> 01:08:00,840 to have your own business, your own house, all of that crap you 819 01:08:00,920 --> 01:08:08,000 were spouting in your twenties about universal based skincome and everybody living in some socialist 820 01:08:08,239 --> 01:08:12,280 paradise. It doesn't. It's not as fun as you thought. And you 821 01:08:12,400 --> 01:08:15,600 wise up, so you get older and you gain wisdom. And I think 822 01:08:15,840 --> 01:08:23,119 those are the obvious kind of reasons why real Marxism appeals to the youth. 823 01:08:23,760 --> 01:08:28,159 We know this in the Cultural Revolution, the malfocused on the youth because you 824 01:08:28,279 --> 01:08:30,760 turned the energy of the youth against the older generation to get rid of all 825 01:08:30,800 --> 01:08:35,079 the Chinese traditions. So it was very useful in that way. That's I 826 01:08:35,119 --> 01:08:40,840 think the most most obvious reason why it's a very powerful If you can grab 827 01:08:40,920 --> 01:08:45,079 the energy of the youth, you can turn that to a lot of culture 828 01:08:45,159 --> 01:08:50,680 destruction and culture warfare. Kids do have, like that a disabundant source of 829 01:08:51,760 --> 01:08:57,399 because they're just naturally explored. If they need a call to action, and 830 01:08:57,880 --> 01:09:02,680 that call to action can be hijacking. That call to action could be towards 831 01:09:02,760 --> 01:09:08,760 the good or or can go towards the bad. And I also think Marxism. 832 01:09:09,199 --> 01:09:12,960 Gary North has a good book on Necessary says that Marxism was successful in 833 01:09:14,119 --> 01:09:18,760 giving people something that a lot of the other atheistic ideologies couldn't have and didn't 834 01:09:18,800 --> 01:09:24,840 have. It gave people a past, a story, a present, a 835 01:09:25,000 --> 01:09:28,680 means of action, and something to believe in, a participate in, and 836 01:09:28,760 --> 01:09:33,560 an eschatology. And so Gary North actually argues that Marx's religion of revolution is 837 01:09:33,800 --> 01:09:40,760 an imminentized atheistic version of Christianity, where the millennium, the end time, 838 01:09:41,720 --> 01:09:45,319 you know, escaton is just put into this world of a supposed future, 839 01:09:45,479 --> 01:09:50,840 you know, workers paradise, libertarian, withering of the state, technocratic, 840 01:09:51,520 --> 01:09:57,560 utopia, however you want to formulate it. It was successful because of a 841 01:09:57,600 --> 01:10:04,039 replacement religion. And that's that's an interesting point because one of the hallmarks of 842 01:10:04,159 --> 01:10:10,760 postumatic stress disorder is that level of it is the level of ancient anxious, 843 01:10:10,880 --> 01:10:14,960 like that anxious feeling of not under not understanding the surroundings. And Paul Tiller 844 01:10:15,000 --> 01:10:18,239 wrote a really good book about The Courage to Be how he described it as 845 01:10:18,359 --> 01:10:25,199 pathological anxiety. So that's so he described that as being in an anxious state 846 01:10:26,000 --> 01:10:30,920 and not accepting the fact that you're in an ancient state and there's you know 847 01:10:30,079 --> 01:10:36,119 psychological arguments I could make about that, but I like his notion of pathological 848 01:10:36,199 --> 01:10:43,840 anxiety because that ties to how post traumatic stress disorder begins to manifest itself over 849 01:10:43,880 --> 01:10:47,000 a long period of time. That that that feeling of not knowing where you 850 01:10:47,199 --> 01:10:54,319 are and not having a clear road map of what has happened in the past 851 01:10:55,199 --> 01:11:01,239 where you are now in the future, describing put aligning your life because it 852 01:11:01,319 --> 01:11:04,520 happens. Our life happens in moments, and it happens in days, it 853 01:11:04,520 --> 01:11:10,960 happens in months and then years and then decades, and we need that coherent 854 01:11:11,359 --> 01:11:15,399 story to tell ourselves so we can have so we can stay at equilibrium. 855 01:11:15,880 --> 01:11:24,359 And when something punctures that story, that triggers the court, that triggers of 856 01:11:24,840 --> 01:11:29,079 thor of things, but that triggers an anxious state, it triggers the cortosol 857 01:11:29,159 --> 01:11:32,600 levels begin to begin to increase. And I don't understand what has just happened. 858 01:11:32,640 --> 01:11:39,439 So something traumatic happening means that I do not understand how to place this. 859 01:11:40,000 --> 01:11:44,039 If you look at this as a look there's a PhD in form I 860 01:11:44,079 --> 01:11:46,760 don't know how to place this into my schema. Something happened and I don't 861 01:11:46,800 --> 01:11:51,840 understand. And if you look back and where Marxists and where this ideology began 862 01:11:51,920 --> 01:11:56,800 to arise, it was after the war. It was when Germany was in 863 01:11:56,960 --> 01:12:00,439 ruins, and it was when people didn't understand where to go. So and 864 01:12:00,600 --> 01:12:06,920 the leaders in the intellectuals grat and just like how Chairman maldd He grabbed, 865 01:12:08,079 --> 01:12:12,319 he took advantage of that, and Hitler and everyone else. It took advantage 866 01:12:12,439 --> 01:12:17,199 of that period of time where people did not understand their past because it's literally 867 01:12:17,479 --> 01:12:20,760 was destroyed. They don't understand what's going on now because we don't have any 868 01:12:20,840 --> 01:12:26,319 prime ministers. Everyone's dead, we just signed this treaty. Our military is 869 01:12:26,359 --> 01:12:29,680 limited to one hundred thousand people. We are literally in billions of dollars in 870 01:12:29,760 --> 01:12:31,399 debt. We don't know what to do, and there is no future because 871 01:12:31,399 --> 01:12:35,279 we don't know where we're going. They class on to that and they were 872 01:12:35,319 --> 01:12:41,479 able to manipulate that. So I like the fact that you said that author 873 01:12:41,560 --> 01:12:46,000 said that people clapse onto Marxism because it gives them. It's literally a it's 874 01:12:46,079 --> 01:12:56,239 literally a form of therapy because they are attacking themselves to a story so they 875 01:12:56,279 --> 01:13:00,600 can have a past, a present, and then the future and if you 876 01:13:00,760 --> 01:13:06,319 notice closely with the radical types, they're they're they're they have a very high 877 01:13:06,520 --> 01:13:15,600 verbal acuity. They can they can articulate. They have no problem articulating why 878 01:13:15,840 --> 01:13:24,279 Marxism works. They think that Marxism, I can explain how it works, 879 01:13:25,159 --> 01:13:29,920 that means that we ought to do it. If I can explain the benefits 880 01:13:30,680 --> 01:13:35,279 of how this system works, if I can just convince you these words, 881 01:13:35,359 --> 01:13:39,439 if I can just say these words, if I can prove how you were 882 01:13:39,479 --> 01:13:45,439 wrong, that means that we ought to implement the system, and they don't 883 01:13:45,520 --> 01:13:49,199 know how to. So that is the result of them having this That's what 884 01:13:49,319 --> 01:13:55,920 the ideology is. It's a form of knowledge that has decayed and refuses to 885 01:13:56,560 --> 01:14:01,000 update itself to the new world, to what's actually happening. They have a 886 01:14:02,039 --> 01:14:05,920 system, they have a schema that they refuse to update. And Pha would 887 01:14:05,920 --> 01:14:13,279 look at that as a developmental like as a developmental problem, like you're like 888 01:14:13,359 --> 01:14:18,319 an arrested development yeah, and and Freud would look at that as a level 889 01:14:18,399 --> 01:14:27,439 of developmental fixation. You're so you are you are not updating your present schema 890 01:14:27,600 --> 01:14:30,840 to the future. They think that they can just explain it. And something 891 01:14:30,880 --> 01:14:34,439 I've always realized is always with the if you ever encounter one on Twitter, 892 01:14:34,640 --> 01:14:40,239 they're highly uh, they really like to live on Twitter. Those trolls. 893 01:14:40,279 --> 01:14:43,800 They think that if they can just if I can just like convince you, 894 01:14:44,119 --> 01:14:47,199 I can just show you how it's right, then they make that jump from 895 01:14:48,399 --> 01:14:54,159 this can exist on this piece of paper and then they say so they make 896 01:14:54,239 --> 01:14:56,560 that jump, It's like, Okay, well I just proved to you that 897 01:14:56,720 --> 01:15:01,119 this is how Marxism could work. It's like, okay, it doesn't. 898 01:15:01,479 --> 01:15:08,920 Nowhere in that does that suggest that these policies are this or this that means 899 01:15:08,960 --> 01:15:12,439 that we ought to make that jump, And that's site that just goes back 900 01:15:12,479 --> 01:15:16,239 to human just because it is. You can't derive the art from the is, 901 01:15:16,720 --> 01:15:20,479 and they make that leap. And that's something that's always puzzled me because 902 01:15:20,479 --> 01:15:25,560 I'm like, how are these people, How do they not understand that they're 903 01:15:25,600 --> 01:15:29,479 making that leap just because you can prove that something, especially if you're talking 904 01:15:29,479 --> 01:15:32,840 about something like a worldwide economic system that you're trying to implement. If you're 905 01:15:32,840 --> 01:15:38,560 saying that this could work if we just give everyone this universal salary here, 906 01:15:38,800 --> 01:15:41,960 and if we just subsidize this, if we just take away this. If 907 01:15:42,000 --> 01:15:45,159 we just put this, then that would work, because oh that didn't work 908 01:15:45,319 --> 01:15:46,920 because Stalin and Lenin didn't do that right. And if they were to do 909 01:15:47,079 --> 01:15:54,840 this, they have that idealistic, perfect painting of what Marxism should be. 910 01:15:55,600 --> 01:16:02,199 The doctrine itself is unerring. It's perfect. That is their god. This 911 01:16:02,439 --> 01:16:09,199 is perfect. This is the perfect doctrine of Marxism. And anything that deviates 912 01:16:09,239 --> 01:16:15,960 from this isn't a result of isn't a result of the failure of this doctrine. 913 01:16:15,119 --> 01:16:19,279 It's the result. It's the failure of you. It's the failure of 914 01:16:19,479 --> 01:16:26,880 the leaders to do it properly. Have you ever realized that they always make 915 01:16:26,960 --> 01:16:30,600 they always disassociate the failings of their ideology. They do that with people, 916 01:16:30,640 --> 01:16:35,279 They do that with de transitioners as well. The doctrine of gender ideology is 917 01:16:35,439 --> 01:16:41,399 sound. That that exists. Now, if you happen to Jay, if 918 01:16:41,439 --> 01:16:45,840 you happen to you know, cut your wee we off and you didn't like 919 01:16:45,920 --> 01:16:47,439 it, now you wanted to go back, Well, that's just because you 920 01:16:47,760 --> 01:16:51,119 didn't transition, right, That's just because it happened to you. It's not 921 01:16:51,199 --> 01:16:59,399 a Vegans have this thing of like if you were malnourished in trying to be 922 01:16:59,479 --> 01:17:01,720 a vegan, and you kept quit being a vegan. It's because you didn't 923 01:17:01,760 --> 01:17:06,560 do it right. It's a religious commitment divorced from reality. Yeah, I've 924 01:17:06,600 --> 01:17:13,159 always seen that because it's something very is literally like a religion. It's literally 925 01:17:13,199 --> 01:17:18,279 their religion. Wow. Yeah. I wrote an essay about how this manifests 926 01:17:18,359 --> 01:17:25,359 within even the Orthodox world, with people who spurg out in the Orthodox world. 927 01:17:25,960 --> 01:17:30,840 But it applies to evangelicals, it applies to people in any kind of 928 01:17:30,880 --> 01:17:36,119 situation where like a traditional Catholicism that's very obsessed with medieval scholasticism, where people 929 01:17:38,560 --> 01:17:45,800 have personality traits that are unstable, that manifest in these bizarre, sort of 930 01:17:45,279 --> 01:17:51,199 overly zealous ways that actually show exactly I mean, I'm not a huge Freudian, 931 01:17:51,279 --> 01:17:56,199 but the point that freud you were citing about actually makes perfect sense. 932 01:17:56,279 --> 01:18:00,720 That the fixation actually is a manifestation of a lack of maturity of the person's 933 01:18:00,960 --> 01:18:08,199 uh, the person properly developing and being integrated as a person. They're arrested 934 01:18:08,239 --> 01:18:15,079 at this point of obsession over you know, some sort of bizarre minutia of 935 01:18:15,439 --> 01:18:23,000 you know, philosophy or theology or religion or medieval Scholassicism that doesn't actually affect 936 01:18:23,039 --> 01:18:27,319 their day to day life, but they're they're married to this idea that they've 937 01:18:27,399 --> 01:18:30,359 created as to what the perfect religion is, and it's in their head and 938 01:18:30,359 --> 01:18:33,840 they're sort of the champions of that perfect religion. So it's a weird form 939 01:18:33,920 --> 01:18:39,720 of what Orthodoxy calls prelst, which is where you have this delusion that much 940 01:18:40,319 --> 01:18:44,760 prelest p r e l e s T. It's the Orthodox idea of it. 941 01:18:45,079 --> 01:18:49,079 It's spiritual delusion that basically, you know, the fanaticism that we see 942 01:18:49,119 --> 01:18:53,279 that they can occur in any in any group. It's not just Orthodox or 943 01:18:53,359 --> 01:18:57,960 Roman Catholic or Evangelical. I mean, you can have bizarre fanaticisms anywhere. 944 01:18:58,079 --> 01:19:05,279 And it's usually a kind of delusion of the person building themselves up into something 945 01:19:05,359 --> 01:19:10,760 that they're not in order to kind of hype themselves up that they are that 946 01:19:10,960 --> 01:19:15,399 thing. Right, So if my idea, my ideal is to be you 947 01:19:15,479 --> 01:19:20,800 know, a kind of a saint or a holy person or even like Jesus 948 01:19:20,880 --> 01:19:27,359 or something like that, then I create and I pump myself up as if 949 01:19:27,439 --> 01:19:30,640 I'm that, and then I get more and more lost in this delusion, 950 01:19:30,680 --> 01:19:33,800 and I even kind of think that I am this living saint and I'm acting 951 01:19:33,880 --> 01:19:40,039 in a way that is totally divorced from the reality. And so it's a 952 01:19:40,159 --> 01:19:45,640 kind of a vicious cycle because then the person basically excludes all evidence to the 953 01:19:45,720 --> 01:19:49,399 contrary that would disprove that they're hearing that God's speaking to them, right, 954 01:19:49,560 --> 01:19:55,479 or something like that, Like all the evidence that would prove that God is 955 01:19:55,600 --> 01:19:58,920 not speaking to them to be a prophet or something like this, Right, 956 01:19:59,520 --> 01:20:04,039 that's gluted because they've already fixed the system and their their their mental system, 957 01:20:04,079 --> 01:20:10,399 their schema, such that all that evidence is discounted from the outset. And 958 01:20:10,560 --> 01:20:15,680 so basically this is a version of what we call philosophy unfalsifiability, and Marxism 959 01:20:15,800 --> 01:20:20,800 has famously been critiqued as an unfalsifiable system because, for example, if someone 960 01:20:20,840 --> 01:20:26,479 critiques Marxism, then the Marxists can say, well, all critiques of Marxism 961 01:20:26,600 --> 01:20:30,800 come from a place of being a bourgeoisie, so you have bourgeois if you 962 01:20:30,880 --> 01:20:35,960 critique Marxism, that's bourgeois. Therefore it's discounted because we discount everything bois so 963 01:20:38,319 --> 01:20:44,600 it's unfalsifiable. But actually unfalsifiable systems are the ones that are the weakest, 964 01:20:45,319 --> 01:20:50,600 because for a system to have to erect this fail safe trick mechanism where the 965 01:20:50,680 --> 01:20:56,840 system is unfalsifiable is just a manifestation showing that it's actually a really weak system. 966 01:20:57,279 --> 01:21:00,479 It's not just systems, it's also individuals who act like this as if 967 01:21:00,520 --> 01:21:05,680 their world views are unfalsifiable. In these little trick ways are manifesting their own 968 01:21:05,880 --> 01:21:13,479 individual weak psychees and weak fragile status. Just as much as an idea can 969 01:21:13,560 --> 01:21:17,239 be an ideology can be uh, it can show his weakness through unfalsifiability. 970 01:21:17,880 --> 01:21:27,800 Yeah. Well, Jay an Hour a great fat man. I really I'd 971 01:21:27,840 --> 01:21:30,800 like to have you on my podcast sometimes You've got a good grounding there. 972 01:21:31,439 --> 01:21:35,640 Great. I want to ask you one last question before before we go. 973 01:21:36,800 --> 01:21:42,119 I have this quote. My ask my last guest, John Ravaki, what 974 01:21:42,199 --> 01:21:44,399 he thought about it. I think I want to turn this into like I 975 01:21:44,439 --> 01:21:46,359 want to know because it's a it's a quote, you know, just I 976 01:21:46,479 --> 01:21:50,239 kind of live bias. It's a playto quote. He said, wise men 977 01:21:50,359 --> 01:21:56,199 speaks because he has something to say, fools, because he has to say 978 01:21:56,239 --> 01:22:00,560 something. And I've always tell myself that especially on Twitter. You know, 979 01:22:01,199 --> 01:22:04,039 do I have do I have to say something? Do I have to comment 980 01:22:04,680 --> 01:22:11,119 on this issue? Or do I just do I just want to participate, 981 01:22:11,920 --> 01:22:15,439 And so I want to ask you, you know, what do you think 982 01:22:15,439 --> 01:22:19,760 about that quote? And not to you know, get to sidetracked with what's 983 01:22:19,800 --> 01:22:23,920 going on, especially in the world right now. I felt as if I 984 01:22:24,600 --> 01:22:28,920 didn't want to comment on, you know, certain things in certain parts of 985 01:22:29,000 --> 01:22:33,079 the world because I feel as if I just wanted to. I just had 986 01:22:33,119 --> 01:22:38,680 to say something about it. So I wanted to know of what do you 987 01:22:38,840 --> 01:22:44,159 think about that quote? And do you want to maybe I should just come 988 01:22:44,199 --> 01:22:47,239 out with it. Do you want to see peace with what obviously what's going 989 01:22:47,279 --> 01:22:49,640 on in the Middle East right now? Because I want to. I want 990 01:22:49,680 --> 01:22:53,000 to talk about it. I want to. I didn't want to go there 991 01:22:53,039 --> 01:22:55,680 on the podcast because I'll just go off in that because I don't know enough 992 01:22:55,720 --> 01:22:59,880 about it. But what's going on in the world right now, just using 993 01:22:59,880 --> 01:23:03,920 the Middle easta for an example, how do you think people can benefit from 994 01:23:04,079 --> 01:23:10,520 that Plato quote wise man speaks because he has something to say, and in 995 01:23:10,640 --> 01:23:14,840 fools because they have to say something because looking be on the outside looking in 996 01:23:15,439 --> 01:23:20,119 I feel as if I would argue ninety percent of people, not just about 997 01:23:20,239 --> 01:23:25,159 the Middle East, but just topics period, are just speaking because they have 998 01:23:25,399 --> 01:23:30,279 to say something. How important is it to withhold judgment and to be just 999 01:23:30,359 --> 01:23:35,640 to look at things objectively? Yeah, I totally agree with that, And 1000 01:23:35,720 --> 01:23:42,239 it's very applicable to the situation because most people just react and they react in 1001 01:23:42,319 --> 01:23:46,840 an emotional way based on this or that piece of information or propaganda even and 1002 01:23:47,000 --> 01:23:50,000 so you know, propaganda's intended to do that. It's intended to get you 1003 01:23:50,119 --> 01:23:55,399 to just react, shut off your critical thinking skills and react. And it's 1004 01:23:55,439 --> 01:23:58,960 also something that again we're more susceptible to when we're young. We're a lot 1005 01:23:59,000 --> 01:24:03,239 more emotional. We haven't learn, especially if we're dudes. When we're younger, 1006 01:24:03,960 --> 01:24:08,159 we're a lot easier to rile up, and we're not level headed. 1007 01:24:08,239 --> 01:24:12,359 We don't we don't learn. We haven't learned yet typically to control our emotions 1008 01:24:12,520 --> 01:24:15,760 and to think through situations. And that's something that again you learn as you 1009 01:24:15,800 --> 01:24:20,880 get older, when you gain wisdom hopefully. So one thing I did was 1010 01:24:21,079 --> 01:24:28,600 I did an hour long history of the Middle East, trying to get people 1011 01:24:28,640 --> 01:24:30,359 who were interested. I mean, I don't have any delusions that I'm going 1012 01:24:30,439 --> 01:24:33,520 to like bring peace to the Middle East or anything like that. But for 1013 01:24:33,640 --> 01:24:41,720 people that are interested in you know what, huh, I just try to 1014 01:24:41,800 --> 01:24:45,000 bring some historical knowledge to the situation so that we can hopefully achieve what you 1015 01:24:45,119 --> 01:24:49,399 talked about, which is more objectivity and not getting wrapped up in this or 1016 01:24:49,439 --> 01:24:54,439 that. You know, I think that you get into the history of it. 1017 01:24:54,560 --> 01:24:58,840 Both sides were actually promised things by the British Empire, and they were 1018 01:24:59,079 --> 01:25:03,000 placed there as an outpost, and they had the British ember had a goal 1019 01:25:03,119 --> 01:25:06,720 for that situation, and it ended up not going the way the British wanted, 1020 01:25:06,800 --> 01:25:11,800 and so it became this powder keg. And so you know, there's 1021 01:25:11,800 --> 01:25:15,159 a lot of Orthodox Christians that are in Gaza. Uh So, you know, 1022 01:25:15,479 --> 01:25:20,880 we support them, we don't want them to be you know, destroyed. 1023 01:25:20,920 --> 01:25:25,159 But at the same time, the people that are in Israel have been 1024 01:25:25,199 --> 01:25:29,119 there for a few generations. Now it's not their fault that they're there. 1025 01:25:29,880 --> 01:25:32,479 Uh So it's understandable that you know that. Anyway, I don't want to 1026 01:25:32,479 --> 01:25:34,279 get into all that issue. I did a whole video on this point. 1027 01:25:34,279 --> 01:25:39,159 If people want the watch to go to go watch my hour long video that 1028 01:25:39,239 --> 01:25:41,479 I did on this on my YouTube channel. Half of it is for free, 1029 01:25:41,520 --> 01:25:44,680 the other halfs behind the paywall, but I go into all the history 1030 01:25:44,680 --> 01:25:47,600 of it and get my analysis. But yeah, I think absolutely it would 1031 01:25:47,600 --> 01:25:54,800 be nice if we could study and learn this stuff before we just react, 1032 01:25:54,840 --> 01:25:57,479 because I guarantee a ninety nine for some of the people out there don't know 1033 01:25:57,560 --> 01:26:00,720 the history of Palestine and the British I don't. And one thing that I 1034 01:26:00,840 --> 01:26:03,920 really want to see. I mean, I know it sounds cliche, but 1035 01:26:04,039 --> 01:26:08,720 I really I don't want to be that. I asked that because you know, 1036 01:26:08,920 --> 01:26:12,600 I'm I have a small platform as anywhere as big as yours or anyone 1037 01:26:12,640 --> 01:26:18,159 else's, but I never want to I have people at my disposal who listen 1038 01:26:18,279 --> 01:26:21,439 to me, like, who care about what I'm saying. And I've just 1039 01:26:21,560 --> 01:26:26,800 seen multiple people, multiple accounts, and gladly you weren't one of those people 1040 01:26:26,800 --> 01:26:30,039 in the category who've just been using their platforms this past couple of weeks just 1041 01:26:30,159 --> 01:26:34,920 for I mean, and just in the most irresponsible ways possible, just stirring 1042 01:26:35,039 --> 01:26:40,760 up, just making matters worse. And I think is important that we understand, 1043 01:26:40,800 --> 01:26:44,000 like what's at the root of all this is to number one, just 1044 01:26:44,239 --> 01:26:47,600 to be peaceful. It doesn't mean to be pacifist or let people walk all 1045 01:26:47,640 --> 01:26:51,600 over you, but it's just to be to not make matters worse that make 1046 01:26:51,720 --> 01:26:56,920 things worse. And I think it's important that people like you and I who 1047 01:26:57,880 --> 01:27:00,319 have an audience, whether it's a one hundred or eight hundred people or eight 1048 01:27:00,439 --> 01:27:08,039 hundred thousand people, to just be responsible and to go back to that platonic 1049 01:27:08,560 --> 01:27:13,079 ethic of having something to say, or or or just or wanting to just 1050 01:27:13,720 --> 01:27:18,399 say something. I think it's important that we use our platforms and we and 1051 01:27:19,800 --> 01:27:25,159 participate in the logos like we use our words for I mean, blessed are 1052 01:27:25,199 --> 01:27:29,960 the peacemakers, they are the they are to be called the children of God. 1053 01:27:30,119 --> 01:27:33,760 Like That's how I try to put myself in the middle. Maybe people 1054 01:27:33,840 --> 01:27:38,159 call it fence sitting, whatever you want to call it. I don't care. 1055 01:27:38,640 --> 01:27:43,960 I just I'm always trying to think about how we can just use our 1056 01:27:44,000 --> 01:27:47,600 platforms for good instead of just making things worse. But I appreciate your time, 1057 01:27:47,760 --> 01:27:51,399 Jay, I really enjoyed this. People are interested. You can get 1058 01:27:53,000 --> 01:27:57,000 my philosophy book as meta narratives. You get it on my website and the 1059 01:27:57,079 --> 01:28:00,960 shop. I got two books on movies and so there's a lot of philosophy 1060 01:28:01,039 --> 01:28:05,199 of symbol semiotics in my too Hollywood books. You can get those at my 1061 01:28:05,279 --> 01:28:12,439 website jas Analysis and will follow you on YouTube or Twitter under my name everywhere 1062 01:28:12,479 --> 01:28:16,239 under my name, yeah, and then also on rock Finn r O k 1063 01:28:16,520 --> 01:28:19,960 F I N. It's a great free speech based platform. So I have 1064 01:28:20,079 --> 01:28:24,520 a channel that I push over there quite a bit. Okay, Day, 1065 01:28:24,960 --> 01:28:28,359 I really appreciate your time. This is a great conversation, man. I 1066 01:28:28,479 --> 01:28:32,439 hope you keep on spreading knowledge. You are very intelligent man, and I 1067 01:28:32,640 --> 01:28:36,600 just I really hope the best for you, and just keep on educating people. 1068 01:28:36,680 --> 01:28:40,239 And you're making a real difference. You're making a real impact. I 1069 01:28:40,279 --> 01:28:43,359 appreciate your time. Thanks, Kyle. Yeah, let's DM me and let's 1070 01:28:43,359 --> 01:28:45,840 set up a chat. You can come on my channel. We can talk 1071 01:28:45,880 --> 01:28:48,560 about Carl Young and Freud and all that. Oh man, that sound and 1072 01:28:48,640 --> 01:28:51,239 Nietzsche. All right, letter do all right, man, thank you. 1073 01:29:02,640 --> 01:29:04,640 They don't have to build a