WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.160 --> 00:00:05.000 This episode may contain content of a graphic nature, including descriptions of physical and 2 00:00:05.120 --> 00:00:10.480 sexual violence against adults, children, and animals. Listener discretion is advised. 3 00:00:12.640 --> 00:00:17.039 Hi everyone, I'm Talia and I'm Tanya, and together we are Crimes and 4 00:00:17.160 --> 00:00:38.520 Consequences, a true crime podcast. Hi Tanya, Hi Talia. Welcome back, 5 00:00:38.560 --> 00:00:44.159 everybody. This is our second episode. I'm Chris Wilder. Part two, 6 00:00:44.320 --> 00:00:48.479 Part two, Part two, Part two, and it gets really bad. 7 00:00:48.600 --> 00:00:51.719 My voice is better, you're right, is better, not coughing as 8 00:00:51.799 --> 00:00:56.240 much, but it's still a little painful. If you haven't done so already, 9 00:00:56.359 --> 00:01:00.719 I would love to have you, guys, subscribe or follow on your 10 00:01:00.759 --> 00:01:03.920 favorite app, whatever app you're listening to us on, and if you haven't 11 00:01:03.959 --> 00:01:07.280 listened to episode one, I would recommend it so then you might know what's 12 00:01:07.319 --> 00:01:12.120 going on. You might be a little confused, slightly, Taliyah. Before 13 00:01:12.120 --> 00:01:17.040 we get into part two, Yeah, I think we should give a shout 14 00:01:17.040 --> 00:01:22.239 out to our number one fan, Dave. Dave, who's probably walking his 15 00:01:22.480 --> 00:01:26.680 dog right now. We adore you, Dave, Yes, we do. 16 00:01:26.280 --> 00:01:30.560 And I know you're excited for part two, So let's get into it. 17 00:01:30.719 --> 00:01:33.719 Yeah, let's do it, all right, So, as I was saying 18 00:01:33.719 --> 00:01:37.280 in Part one, Chris was now on the run. He was in Georgia, 19 00:01:37.359 --> 00:01:42.319 but he didn't stay there very long. He took that Chrysler he's driving 20 00:01:42.400 --> 00:01:49.120 and he headed towards Texas. So number on Thursday, March twenty second, 21 00:01:49.239 --> 00:01:53.719 in nineteen eighty four, and that's when Chris first saw twenty four year old 22 00:01:55.000 --> 00:02:00.640 Terry Diane Walden in the parking lot of her college. Diane was married, 23 00:02:00.920 --> 00:02:06.200 she had a four year old daughter. She was beautiful, she had blonde 24 00:02:06.239 --> 00:02:12.360 hair. Many men noticed her because she was just gorgeous. And of course 25 00:02:12.919 --> 00:02:17.000 that is what Chris's ms is, to find pretty girls and see if they 26 00:02:17.039 --> 00:02:22.680 want to be models. Earlier that day, she'd been approached by a man 27 00:02:22.800 --> 00:02:27.000 who told her she could be a model, could be a model, She 28 00:02:27.199 --> 00:02:30.319 laughed, later told her husband about Yeah, hey, guess what, somebody 29 00:02:30.319 --> 00:02:34.280 thought I was pretty enough, you know, to be a model. But 30 00:02:34.400 --> 00:02:38.039 she'd also rejected the guy. She's in college. She's not out for modeling. 31 00:02:39.680 --> 00:02:45.360 Chris moved on after being turned down by Terry. He kept on his 32 00:02:45.439 --> 00:02:50.919 journey and he ended up pulling over off the highway into this motel in Winnie, 33 00:02:51.000 --> 00:02:53.800 Texas. He was still using his partner's name and credit card by the 34 00:02:53.840 --> 00:02:59.120 way, Okay, but he couldn't get Terry out of his head. And 35 00:02:59.199 --> 00:03:04.360 the next day, and this is a Friday, he backtracked and he made 36 00:03:04.360 --> 00:03:09.159 his way to Beaumont, Texas, which is where Terry was. Terry really 37 00:03:09.199 --> 00:03:15.800 didn't think much about the encounter besides being flattered, right, I mean, 38 00:03:15.800 --> 00:03:17.919 she's busy with a four year old, she's married, she's in college. 39 00:03:19.560 --> 00:03:23.080 That day she took her daughter to daycare, she was driving to Cougar. 40 00:03:23.199 --> 00:03:27.520 It was a new car that hurt and her husband had just purchased. And 41 00:03:27.560 --> 00:03:30.719 then she was headed off to study with some friends because the day to quiz 42 00:03:30.960 --> 00:03:36.599 for college. She picked up a few things at the Beaumont shopping mall, 43 00:03:37.039 --> 00:03:39.840 and she planned to be home in plenty of time to pick up her daughter 44 00:03:39.840 --> 00:03:46.719 from daycare. It was just her regular routine, nothing unique. Terry's husband 45 00:03:46.759 --> 00:03:52.360 was a first to realize something was really wrong. Friday evening, his daughter's 46 00:03:52.439 --> 00:03:58.719 daycare called to say that Terry hadn't came to pick up their child. And 47 00:03:58.759 --> 00:04:03.840 that's when he was that really worried. And he remembered about the guy who 48 00:04:04.560 --> 00:04:10.879 offered to help her be a model and claimed to be part of a modeling 49 00:04:10.960 --> 00:04:14.759 agency, and to him, I think that was a creeper factor. Yeah, 50 00:04:14.960 --> 00:04:18.519 I mean right, if you're a guy and someone's telling your wife that, 51 00:04:18.720 --> 00:04:23.240 I would just assume that it's a way to pick up my wife. 52 00:04:23.639 --> 00:04:28.759 He called the police and the police, and eventually the FBI took Terry's disappearance 53 00:04:28.959 --> 00:04:33.639 seriously from the beginning, I know, it doesn't happen very often in our 54 00:04:33.680 --> 00:04:41.519 stories, and they organize a grid search of the area around them all because 55 00:04:41.720 --> 00:04:48.480 they were wondering if perhaps Terry didn't tell her husband that she agreed to maybe 56 00:04:48.800 --> 00:04:54.040 meet the guy at the mall again, or maybe he's still there pursuing other 57 00:04:54.399 --> 00:05:02.800 Okay, law enforcement authorities knew that Chris had left Florida and Georgia in this 58 00:05:02.959 --> 00:05:10.560 Chrysler, and they got a report about a man driving Chrysler and he had 59 00:05:10.600 --> 00:05:15.319 a beard, and there was a woman in the passenger seat. But the 60 00:05:15.360 --> 00:05:19.040 person that reported it it was actually a teenage girl, and she said that 61 00:05:19.800 --> 00:05:24.879 she couldn't really see that much, but it kind of seemed like the woman 62 00:05:25.160 --> 00:05:31.000 was leaning her head against the window Chrysler. This car had turned off through 63 00:05:31.079 --> 00:05:36.399 some rice fields, and that was unusual and then this young witness said, 64 00:05:36.600 --> 00:05:41.759 I saw it leader again. It was coming back along the rice Field road, 65 00:05:42.399 --> 00:05:48.720 but I couldn't see the woman anymore. A massive search for Terry began 66 00:05:48.759 --> 00:05:55.399 in that area, but they didn't find her for three days. Oh no, 67 00:05:55.920 --> 00:06:00.959 then they did. Her body was found bound with rope really tight. 68 00:06:01.600 --> 00:06:08.000 She was I hate saying it like this, but she was bob based down 69 00:06:08.759 --> 00:06:13.639 in a canal near the road where the girl had last seen her. Oh 70 00:06:13.680 --> 00:06:17.319 really, she was just in the water. She'd gone to the surface. 71 00:06:18.040 --> 00:06:23.639 An autopsy revealed that Terry had been stabbed three times in the breast, and 72 00:06:23.680 --> 00:06:30.279 the thrust were so powerful that the blade had gone completely through her body. 73 00:06:30.560 --> 00:06:33.040 Oh my god. Really that must be a big knife too, right. 74 00:06:34.480 --> 00:06:39.600 Wow. They do believe that she would have lived, believe it or not, 75 00:06:39.639 --> 00:06:43.920 because it didn't hit any organs if she would have gotten medical help soon 76 00:06:44.040 --> 00:06:48.879 enough, but instead she bled out. She didn't die from drowning. They 77 00:06:48.879 --> 00:06:55.079 couldn't tell she'd been raped because just from being in the canal for that long 78 00:06:55.120 --> 00:06:59.240 in the water, there was no traces of seminal fluid. They believed she 79 00:06:59.319 --> 00:07:03.600 died the after knew she was abducted, and also Terry's car was missing from 80 00:07:03.680 --> 00:07:09.160 the parking lot where she was at. Every cop in the South knew now 81 00:07:09.439 --> 00:07:14.399 that Chris was a killing machine. They knew it was him, and he 82 00:07:14.519 --> 00:07:18.439 was hurdling himself through the United States, at least in the South, and 83 00:07:18.800 --> 00:07:25.519 very obviously slick in his approach to these victims, that he was able to 84 00:07:25.560 --> 00:07:30.639 take them away from what you would deem a safe place and nobody heard anything 85 00:07:30.639 --> 00:07:34.800 because there's no witnesses to any of this, except for the fact to talk 86 00:07:34.839 --> 00:07:39.079 to you about a young girl seeing them in a car, But nobody heard 87 00:07:39.120 --> 00:07:44.839 any of these abductions. Back in South Florida, detectives and FBI agents, 88 00:07:44.879 --> 00:07:48.199 they're just learning more and more about Chris. He used this idea of a 89 00:07:48.279 --> 00:07:55.839 modeling agent see and this fashion photographer Ruth apparently for much longer time than they 90 00:07:55.920 --> 00:08:01.360 knew. There were many women or girls, young girl girls like teens, 91 00:08:01.439 --> 00:08:05.000 that came forward and said they'd been approached by a man with a beard. 92 00:08:05.879 --> 00:08:09.959 He used a number of different aliases, but he always had a business card 93 00:08:11.199 --> 00:08:16.279 with him that made him seem reputable, so I guess he had different business 94 00:08:16.319 --> 00:08:20.600 cards with different names. Sometimes he would actually take photos of the young women, 95 00:08:20.160 --> 00:08:22.920 like when he met them. Yeah, I'm gonna take it back to 96 00:08:22.959 --> 00:08:28.800 the agency. Yeah, exactly, that's what I'm guessing. Agents police force 97 00:08:28.000 --> 00:08:33.919 ended up trying to map out where Chris started, where he was going. 98 00:08:33.200 --> 00:08:39.320 They had a command center now and it just showed him starting to go across 99 00:08:39.440 --> 00:08:43.120 America. So he went from Texas to Oklahoma City. Somehow they can trace 100 00:08:43.200 --> 00:08:48.799 this. They know that he spent a night at a motel there and then 101 00:08:48.840 --> 00:08:54.919 on Sunday afternoon he was seen at Penn Square Mall, although no one really 102 00:08:54.960 --> 00:09:01.360 reported anything about it until Monday. And I'm let me explain. Suzanne Wendy 103 00:09:01.480 --> 00:09:05.960 Logan. She's twenty, she's a new bride, and this is spring of 104 00:09:07.080 --> 00:09:11.919 nineteen eighty four. She was beautiful, a blonde. He seemed to really 105 00:09:11.000 --> 00:09:16.399 like blondess and she wanted to be a model. She put together her own 106 00:09:16.480 --> 00:09:26.039 portfolio with various photographs of herself, and somehow she met Chris beforehand and then 107 00:09:26.600 --> 00:09:31.480 or got his number and met him at the mall on March twenty fifth with 108 00:09:31.519 --> 00:09:37.679 her portfolio. Chris, He's this is perfect, perfect, right, exactly 109 00:09:39.559 --> 00:09:46.240 exactly. Susanne ended up becoming a missing person. There were people that witnessed 110 00:09:46.879 --> 00:09:50.559 her at the mall that afternoon, talking to a bearded man who had a 111 00:09:50.639 --> 00:09:56.960 camera around his neck. Chris had obviously kidnapped her, and he was heading 112 00:09:56.039 --> 00:10:01.759 north with his helpless victim inte. He drove up I one thirty five to 113 00:10:01.919 --> 00:10:07.399 Newton, Kansas, so again he's making his way around the United States. 114 00:10:07.879 --> 00:10:11.120 There he found a motel and he brought Suzanne into it and he beat her. 115 00:10:11.399 --> 00:10:16.320 Oh and he tortured it. Oh and she wasn't as lucky as Jill 116 00:10:16.360 --> 00:10:22.519 had been. It was the next day a fisherman found her body. It 117 00:10:22.600 --> 00:10:28.559 was bound on the shores of Milford Lake, but it took days to positively 118 00:10:28.679 --> 00:10:33.399 identify her due to the beating. Yeah, yeah, I mean, he's 119 00:10:33.440 --> 00:10:39.960 getting more and more angry, Tanya. He's like totally defiling her face. 120 00:10:39.440 --> 00:10:46.399 His rage is building. He inflicted pain that was beyond the imagination of most 121 00:10:46.399 --> 00:10:52.240 of us. Suzanne's beautiful hair had been cut short. Oh and he shaved 122 00:10:52.240 --> 00:10:58.279 her pubic hair off. She'd been cut with a sharp knife, but like 123 00:10:58.559 --> 00:11:03.879 teased, you know, Okay, yeah, bitten, stabbed through the left 124 00:11:03.879 --> 00:11:07.279 brass, but that didn't kill her. Chris was using one of the credit 125 00:11:07.279 --> 00:11:11.279 cards she had had on her and that's how the police in the FBI are 126 00:11:11.360 --> 00:11:16.440 able to kind of track his whereabouts, but there are always one step behind. 127 00:11:16.000 --> 00:11:18.559 I mean, when you're using credit cards and stuff, you're going to 128 00:11:18.639 --> 00:11:24.440 be behind. The investigators were really frustrated he's managed by this point. I 129 00:11:24.480 --> 00:11:28.960 don't know if you've kept count, but he's abducted seven women since January, 130 00:11:28.279 --> 00:11:35.720 damn, and only one escaped. Chris turned up in the West after Suzanne's 131 00:11:35.759 --> 00:11:39.840 body was found. He was driving that cougar that I told you was stolen 132 00:11:41.000 --> 00:11:46.000 from Terry and he was in Colorado on Route seventy. And now we're only 133 00:11:46.039 --> 00:11:48.639 on March twenty nine, so he's just wow, he's in Colorado, all 134 00:11:48.720 --> 00:11:54.960 yeah, wow, and he was ready for yet another victim. He showed 135 00:11:54.039 --> 00:12:01.320 up at the Mason Mall that Thursday. He had his camera around him and 136 00:12:01.399 --> 00:12:05.240 he was looking for a particular type. He was looking for the cowgirl type 137 00:12:05.399 --> 00:12:11.159 model. He went around to other people at the mall and said he was 138 00:12:11.360 --> 00:12:16.519 a photographer and he was on a specific job and needed a girl that looked 139 00:12:16.559 --> 00:12:20.679 like she was dressed like a cowgirl at the mall. Okay, like she's 140 00:12:20.679 --> 00:12:24.399 just gonna show up just like a cowgirl. I don't know. Maybe so 141 00:12:24.559 --> 00:12:28.279 Cheryl Benaventura, she was eighteen. She was exactly what he had in mind. 142 00:12:28.960 --> 00:12:33.559 Although she never heard of Chris Wilder. She went to the mall dressed 143 00:12:33.600 --> 00:12:39.240 as the perfect part for his next victim, completely unaware. She was wearing 144 00:12:39.279 --> 00:12:43.559 a white sweatshirt with a Cherokee logo, blue jeans, cowboy boots, and 145 00:12:43.600 --> 00:12:46.840 she had a lot of chunky gold jewelry. She went there to go shopping, 146 00:12:46.840 --> 00:12:50.679 but she didn't plan on staying long. She's gonna meet a friend soon 147 00:12:50.799 --> 00:12:54.759 and the two were gonna go to Aspen for skiing. Oh fuck, I 148 00:12:54.840 --> 00:12:58.279 know all she needed, which is a few little extra items for her trip. 149 00:12:58.320 --> 00:13:03.799 So it was in a deal. She had thick blond hair, slender 150 00:13:03.879 --> 00:13:09.600 figure, perfect figure. She looked like a model. Somewhere in that mall, 151 00:13:09.039 --> 00:13:13.799 Cheryl met Chris and he gave her that story about you could be a 152 00:13:13.840 --> 00:13:20.240 model. He claimed he was from a big Denver agency, and we know 153 00:13:20.360 --> 00:13:24.840 she walked away with him. Cheryl's friend waited for her, and she waited. 154 00:13:24.279 --> 00:13:28.919 There was this pre arranged area where they were going to meet. This 155 00:13:28.080 --> 00:13:35.240 spot. Somehow Chris managed to convince Cheryl not to go meet her friend there's 156 00:13:35.279 --> 00:13:39.360 evidence that Cheryl did go with Chris willingly, as the pair was seen in 157 00:13:39.440 --> 00:13:45.000 Silverton, and that's a little mining town on the way to Durango, Colorado, 158 00:13:45.720 --> 00:13:48.039 that was one hundred miles south of the mall where she was last seen. 159 00:13:48.840 --> 00:13:54.159 They stopped at a restaurant, and Cheryl's grandpa had worked there before, 160 00:13:54.559 --> 00:13:58.080 so she knew that restaurant. She talked with the owner. That's how they 161 00:13:58.159 --> 00:14:03.559 know she was actually lay there because he remembered talking to Cheryl. He knew 162 00:14:03.639 --> 00:14:07.919 Cheryl, and Cheryl said she was really excited about becoming a model. Oh 163 00:14:07.120 --> 00:14:13.000 no. A man with blue eyes a neatly clipped beard was beside her, 164 00:14:13.120 --> 00:14:18.440 and he was smiling as she's just so enthusiastic about this. They grabbed a 165 00:14:18.480 --> 00:14:22.960 bunch of donuts and then they moved on. He's very bold. Yeah that 166 00:14:24.039 --> 00:14:28.000 I know. He doesn't even give a fuck. Now he's getting away with 167 00:14:28.039 --> 00:14:31.279 it. He's on the run whatever. For some reason, Chris didn't do 168 00:14:31.360 --> 00:14:35.960 anything to Cheryl. For a few days, they were spotted in a few 169 00:14:35.960 --> 00:14:41.840 locations in Colorado and Arizona. They hung out together. M I don't know 170 00:14:41.879 --> 00:14:46.440 what story is weird. The night of March thirtieth. They checked into a 171 00:14:46.480 --> 00:14:52.080 motel in Page, Arizona as a married couple. Weird, what the fuck 172 00:14:52.200 --> 00:14:56.039 is going on? Shortly after dawn, someone noticed Chris as he whisked the 173 00:14:56.120 --> 00:15:01.360 blonde woman out of his room, Cheryl, and rushed her to his car 174 00:15:01.720 --> 00:15:07.159 like they're like something weird, something weird. From that point on, there 175 00:15:07.200 --> 00:15:16.879 were no more sightings of Cheryl and this man twice rage Chris. Cheryl's family 176 00:15:16.279 --> 00:15:22.759 kept up the search for her, but she vanished somewhere along the trail from 177 00:15:22.840 --> 00:15:28.879 her hometown to Las Vegas. They lost her. There's just no trace of 178 00:15:28.960 --> 00:15:33.440 her anymore. Chris wasn't done. He continued on. He had his next 179 00:15:33.519 --> 00:15:37.320 victim, seventeen year old Michelle Korfman. She was pretty young. She had 180 00:15:37.320 --> 00:15:43.559 parked the brand new car father had given her at the Meadows Shopping Mall in 181 00:15:43.639 --> 00:15:46.759 Las Vegas. And I always tell my kids be weird. As I got 182 00:15:46.799 --> 00:15:52.159 girls at the mall, right, talk to anyone and stranger danger, stranger 183 00:15:52.279 --> 00:15:56.879 danger, seriously. And this is Las Vegas. It was April Fool's Day. 184 00:15:56.000 --> 00:16:00.480 Michelle and some of her other friends, they're young women. We're at 185 00:16:00.519 --> 00:16:07.159 the mall and there was this guy. He was a fashion photographer and he 186 00:16:07.200 --> 00:16:11.559 was looking for models. He had a portfolio out of photographs he'd taken of 187 00:16:11.600 --> 00:16:17.200 really beautiful women, and he showed all these really pretty teenage girls this. 188 00:16:17.960 --> 00:16:22.159 He had an expensive camera, he had a leather case, and he promised 189 00:16:22.360 --> 00:16:29.240 that the potential models would get a good fee up front, and more important, 190 00:16:29.360 --> 00:16:33.000 that he was working with the top modeling agencies out there. Even so, 191 00:16:33.799 --> 00:16:37.480 three of the girls were like no, yeah, no, thank you. 192 00:16:37.919 --> 00:16:40.200 They didn't want to leave them all with him, which is what he 193 00:16:40.320 --> 00:16:42.440 wanted them to do. He was going to try to get a group of 194 00:16:42.480 --> 00:16:48.879 girls wow to go to his studio. He didn't seem angry or disappointed when 195 00:16:48.960 --> 00:16:55.600 they didn't want to go. He just sat on this bench nearr stage And 196 00:16:55.759 --> 00:17:00.240 just so you know, there was a contest going on. It was is 197 00:17:00.720 --> 00:17:07.519 I believe a young girls, and I think younger than teens modeling contests not 198 00:17:07.559 --> 00:17:08.359 modeling? What do they call it? What are those shows? Like a 199 00:17:08.400 --> 00:17:15.000 fashion show or something? Beauty? Beauty thank you? I guess yeah, 200 00:17:15.079 --> 00:17:18.440 like you see on TV. Yeah, so if you think about it, 201 00:17:18.599 --> 00:17:25.720 there's this younger beauty pageant and he's trying to set up like he's a professional 202 00:17:25.759 --> 00:17:29.839 because he's going to get people that want that are interested in that sort of 203 00:17:29.839 --> 00:17:33.799 stuff to come around. And he's got his card, he's got his camera, 204 00:17:33.400 --> 00:17:37.440 portfolio, portfolio. Oh yeah, it seems really legit. Right. 205 00:17:38.039 --> 00:17:45.160 One of the mothers in attendance, her daughter was a professional. That's what 206 00:17:45.200 --> 00:17:48.839 I'm calling it. What it helped me out, Tanya. What are those 207 00:17:48.880 --> 00:17:55.480 mothers the pageant? The pageant moms? Is that what they're calling She was 208 00:17:55.519 --> 00:17:59.880 one of those, and she's taking pictures of her daughter on the stage, 209 00:18:00.079 --> 00:18:04.240 and she actually captured a picture of Chris. I've seen that picture. Yes 210 00:18:04.440 --> 00:18:08.480 see I knew you knew this case. Yeah, I saw that picture. 211 00:18:08.559 --> 00:18:12.200 Yeah, it's out there, yea, included with the story. So this 212 00:18:12.279 --> 00:18:17.440 beauty contest, when it was over, he just kind of creeped everybody out 213 00:18:17.480 --> 00:18:22.319 by lingering around. Several people saw Michelle talking to him, and then the 214 00:18:22.400 --> 00:18:26.039 two of them headed slowly towards the exit. So there's this, I mean 215 00:18:26.119 --> 00:18:33.720 this is there's a group of people and right, and they see them walking 216 00:18:33.759 --> 00:18:37.559 towards the exit and the Michelle's gone her price car, brand new, perfect 217 00:18:37.640 --> 00:18:42.680 condition, that was found days later in a parking lot behind Caesar's Palace in 218 00:18:42.759 --> 00:18:48.079 Las Vegas. Chris laughed Las Vegas, and Michelle was with him at least 219 00:18:48.079 --> 00:18:53.079 part of the day. By April fourth, Chris was alone again and he's 220 00:18:53.359 --> 00:18:59.519 now driving that cougar. Although it wasn't known at the time, Michelle was 221 00:18:59.559 --> 00:19:06.359 dead. Eventually, her unclaimed unidentified body lay in the Los Angeles County Morgue. 222 00:19:06.480 --> 00:19:14.519 Oh damn Los Angeles on June fifteenth, when Nevada and California authorities finally 223 00:19:14.559 --> 00:19:19.599 connected her corpse with a beautiful seventeen year old who had vanished from Las Vegas. 224 00:19:19.759 --> 00:19:25.039 She'd been missing two and a half months. Oh how awful for the 225 00:19:25.319 --> 00:19:32.039 madied all that makes me so say, I know he made the FBI's ten 226 00:19:32.119 --> 00:19:37.960 most wanted list. Wow, everybody was looking for him. But this fucker, 227 00:19:37.200 --> 00:19:42.079 he just seemed to get away everything. Lucky the tenth victim may have 228 00:19:42.200 --> 00:19:48.119 lived because she didn't argue or threatened him. She played helpless and that probably 229 00:19:48.160 --> 00:19:53.640 is what saved her life. In April fourth, Tina Marie Rocicico, she's 230 00:19:53.720 --> 00:19:59.640 sixteen, was headed to apply for a job at a Delhi in Torrance, 231 00:20:00.240 --> 00:20:07.640 and that's one of the many cities that were South Los Angeles. Yes, 232 00:20:08.359 --> 00:20:11.200 my friend Jody oh, she lived in toy She lived in Torre. You 233 00:20:11.279 --> 00:20:17.799 go. Tina wasn't looking forward to the job because he just paid minimum wage. 234 00:20:17.880 --> 00:20:22.000 But she she's like, probably, like I need a job. I 235 00:20:22.039 --> 00:20:26.799 guess yeah, because she was with a single mom and her mom needed help, 236 00:20:26.920 --> 00:20:30.240 so okay, you gotta do what you gotta do. She was a 237 00:20:30.240 --> 00:20:33.640 survivor. She wanted to pull her own weight. When she encountered Chris, 238 00:20:34.160 --> 00:20:38.480 she was just easy prey for him. He came up to the outside of 239 00:20:38.519 --> 00:20:42.960 the deli and he's not frightening at all. He's just an old man with 240 00:20:44.000 --> 00:20:48.400 a beard and friendly blue eyes. Okay, old, yeah, I know, 241 00:20:48.240 --> 00:20:52.759 he's probably like or something right, and now my like creeper radar goes 242 00:20:52.799 --> 00:20:56.960 off. But she's young. He told her that she was just the right 243 00:20:57.079 --> 00:21:02.599 type for an ad campaign for a company was working for. She saw his 244 00:21:02.759 --> 00:21:06.319 camera and he had all this, he had extra gear with him, and 245 00:21:06.720 --> 00:21:11.519 she felt comfortable. She was a little bit different than some of the other 246 00:21:11.519 --> 00:21:15.599 girls. She was a little bit overweight, and she wasn't used to somebody 247 00:21:15.599 --> 00:21:18.759 being told she could be a model. And she was really flattered and intrigued, 248 00:21:18.799 --> 00:21:22.640 and he offered her a hundred dollars if she would go to the beach 249 00:21:22.839 --> 00:21:29.440 near Santa Monica with him and just pose for some ad shots. To her, 250 00:21:29.480 --> 00:21:32.400 there was a lot of money, so she agreed. At first it 251 00:21:32.480 --> 00:21:37.440 was fun, until later she realized that the wind like it was getting chilly. 252 00:21:37.640 --> 00:21:41.680 The wind is blowing, and there was only those two left on the 253 00:21:41.720 --> 00:21:45.640 beach. Like yeah, And she told Chris, you know, I got 254 00:21:45.640 --> 00:21:52.839 to get home. My mom's waiting, but he kept persisting that she stay, 255 00:21:52.880 --> 00:21:59.640 and then he got angry with her. He told her your modeling days 256 00:21:59.720 --> 00:22:03.839 are over, and he dragged her over to his car. He pushed her 257 00:22:03.880 --> 00:22:07.119 into the backseat and he held her down as he tied her arms behind her 258 00:22:07.160 --> 00:22:11.160 back, and then he looped this rope between her ankles, so she's being 259 00:22:11.200 --> 00:22:17.559 hog tied basically. Next thing she knew, the car's racing away from the 260 00:22:17.559 --> 00:22:23.440 beach and headed outside of Torrents. She's just trapped there for six hours. 261 00:22:23.839 --> 00:22:30.240 Oh, that's terrifying. And then the car slowly went to a stop. 262 00:22:30.079 --> 00:22:34.480 Chris and Tina were still in the cougar, although now it had different plates. 263 00:22:34.680 --> 00:22:38.599 It had some new Mexico plates that Chris had stolen. Chris had been 264 00:22:38.640 --> 00:22:42.880 stealing along the way, credit cards, other things in an effort to hide 265 00:22:42.960 --> 00:22:47.400 his identity, but he still was using his partner's credit card. What a 266 00:22:47.480 --> 00:22:52.839 dumb ass. He headed out of Los Angeles County to El Centro, California. 267 00:22:52.039 --> 00:22:55.640 Do you know that? I have you been there? And he chucked 268 00:22:55.680 --> 00:23:00.680 into a motel. He had a quick little nap and then he hit the 269 00:23:00.759 --> 00:23:04.160 road again with Tina in the car. They crossed the desert into Arizona, 270 00:23:04.279 --> 00:23:08.599 and then he went north to Prescott, Arizona, which I've been to. 271 00:23:10.400 --> 00:23:15.359 I have. They stayed the night on a motel there and then something changed. 272 00:23:15.160 --> 00:23:18.799 Maybe it was the fact that he saw himself on the ten most wanted 273 00:23:18.880 --> 00:23:26.400 lists. Nobody really knows. But there's no sightings, no motel receipts, 274 00:23:26.599 --> 00:23:30.680 nothing for four days straight. And keep in mind, they're on his tail, 275 00:23:30.920 --> 00:23:36.759 they're just behind him him. During those four days, Tina was subjected 276 00:23:36.880 --> 00:23:42.119 to multiple rapes. She didn't fight him. She was just very passive during 277 00:23:42.279 --> 00:23:48.039 all these encounters. She listened to what Chris said, listen to talk about 278 00:23:48.039 --> 00:23:56.079 his fantasy, gross his obsessions, his hopes, his dreams, and somehow 279 00:23:56.200 --> 00:24:03.359 her just listening and carrying a pretending to care about him. Sue them. 280 00:24:03.359 --> 00:24:07.559 He just needed someone to talk to Taliah, right, someone just don't understand 281 00:24:07.599 --> 00:24:11.519 it, just to listen. He can call what is it betterhelp dot com? 282 00:24:11.559 --> 00:24:17.160 I don't know, whatever. Whatever. For whatever reason, Kristen killed 283 00:24:17.160 --> 00:24:19.920 Tina. That's why I'm guessing he didn't, but I don't know. He 284 00:24:21.000 --> 00:24:26.039 kept her with him and he headed east. It didn't take long before Tina 285 00:24:26.160 --> 00:24:32.200 developed Stockholm syndrome. Oh no, yeah, and you know what that is. 286 00:24:32.400 --> 00:24:37.920 Yes, for those that don't, it's an intricate psychological process that basically 287 00:24:37.000 --> 00:24:41.920 turned your mind inside out. In other words, she was brainwashed. She 288 00:24:42.039 --> 00:24:48.160 was kidnapped, terrorized, rape, taken far from home. The fact she 289 00:24:48.279 --> 00:24:53.200 survived is amazing, and Chris was being kind of her. Is it sounds 290 00:24:53.240 --> 00:24:56.519 weird to say? It does? When someone goes through that and then eventually 291 00:24:56.599 --> 00:25:02.960 their captor is nice and gentle and uses a soft voice. It can have 292 00:25:03.200 --> 00:25:07.240 It can create that Stockholm syndrome. It didn't kill her. She hoped he 293 00:25:07.240 --> 00:25:11.279 wouldn't, and she thought if she just listened to him and did whatever he 294 00:25:11.400 --> 00:25:15.599 asked, she'd survive. But as I said, things began to change. 295 00:25:15.000 --> 00:25:19.920 They crossed into the Indiana state line. By that point Tina was prepared to 296 00:25:19.920 --> 00:25:23.640 do whatever Chris ass of her. He convinced her that even when she was 297 00:25:23.680 --> 00:25:26.839 out of the car and away from him, he could still hurt her. 298 00:25:27.200 --> 00:25:32.519 In order to stay alive, she'd have to follow his orders. In Gary, 299 00:25:32.599 --> 00:25:37.920 Indiana, on April tenth, Chris ordered Tina to go to the Westlake 300 00:25:37.000 --> 00:25:42.200 Mall and find him a girl no, yes, no yes. He gave 301 00:25:42.240 --> 00:25:48.119 her script oh that she had to use to get the victim to go with 302 00:25:48.160 --> 00:25:52.440 her. Basically, the script went along the lines of offer a pretty girl 303 00:25:52.680 --> 00:25:56.319 a job, a modeling job, and get her to the car. And 304 00:25:56.440 --> 00:26:03.440 Chris just sat there and waited until sixteen year old donnat Well arrived with Tina. 305 00:26:03.519 --> 00:26:07.119 They got into the car, and the cure sped away. Tina was 306 00:26:07.240 --> 00:26:12.920 no longer the prime captive. Donnett had taken her place. She was outbound, 307 00:26:14.839 --> 00:26:18.160 gagged with doc tape in the backseat of the car. Can you imagine 308 00:26:18.160 --> 00:26:22.759 how Donnatt felt wondering about Tina. Yeah, I'd be like, what the 309 00:26:22.759 --> 00:26:26.559 hell the girl that led her there? Tina was in some sort of trance, 310 00:26:27.000 --> 00:26:30.440 Like I said, it was like Stockholm syndrome. It's just she wouldn't 311 00:26:30.519 --> 00:26:36.119 help Donna she didn't look at Donna. So now you have the FBI and 312 00:26:36.240 --> 00:26:41.759 the police and they're looking at credit cards, partners, credit cards, trying 313 00:26:41.759 --> 00:26:45.079 to find information. They know his last years in Arizona, and they were 314 00:26:45.079 --> 00:26:49.480 concentrating their efforts there. But they're behind him and they didn't know what his 315 00:26:49.599 --> 00:26:53.400 next move was because he'd been zig zagging. He'd crossed so you know, 316 00:26:53.519 --> 00:27:00.640 Tanya six thousand miles before they tracked him. Holy shit, he did go 317 00:27:00.720 --> 00:27:03.359 from California to Gary, Indiana. I mean, that's like all the way 318 00:27:03.359 --> 00:27:10.160 across the country, started in Florida and started in the place. On April 319 00:27:10.200 --> 00:27:14.720 eleventh, the credit card that they'd been tracking was used at a motel in 320 00:27:14.880 --> 00:27:18.880 southeast of roch Haster, New York. Jeez, he's in New York. 321 00:27:19.440 --> 00:27:23.200 They went there, No one recalled seeing the guy that used that. They 322 00:27:23.240 --> 00:27:27.000 couldn't describe who it was, and they're behind him still. That same day, 323 00:27:27.079 --> 00:27:32.759 a tractor mechanic was driving on a two lane road in the woods near 324 00:27:33.000 --> 00:27:37.640 penn Yan, New York. He was lost and he was about to turn 325 00:27:37.680 --> 00:27:42.960 around when he saw this young woman running towards them. She was almost naked, 326 00:27:44.240 --> 00:27:48.559 her breasts were red with blood. He stopped his truck, jumped out, 327 00:27:48.599 --> 00:27:52.720 and he helped her into the passenger seat, and then he took her 328 00:27:52.720 --> 00:28:00.039 to the hospital. Donnat survived. Wow, that was Donnat shit. Stab 329 00:28:00.039 --> 00:28:04.480 wounds to her chest, oh jeeze, oh my god. By only luck 330 00:28:04.720 --> 00:28:11.759 Okay, they didn't pierce her vital orients and she was eventually able to talk 331 00:28:11.799 --> 00:28:15.079 to the FBI agents. So he had taken her to the woods, half 332 00:28:15.160 --> 00:28:18.680 naked, stabbed her and left her for dead. But she didn't die. 333 00:28:19.000 --> 00:28:22.759 And I love that part. I know me too. It happened so infrequently 334 00:28:22.799 --> 00:28:29.039 in our story. No not, unfortunately, happened enough. The FBI agents 335 00:28:29.079 --> 00:28:33.160 gave her mug shots, and of course she identifies Chris. He'd gone from 336 00:28:33.160 --> 00:28:38.440 Florida to Georgia, Louisiana, Alabama, Texas, Oklahoma, Kansas, Colorado, 337 00:28:38.559 --> 00:28:45.640 Utah, Nevada, California, Arizona, Indiana, Ohio, and now 338 00:28:45.680 --> 00:28:51.119 he was somewhere south of Lake Ontario, between Buffalo and Syracuse, New York. 339 00:28:51.400 --> 00:28:57.720 Jeez, it was a lot. To our non US listeners, it's 340 00:28:57.759 --> 00:29:03.759 a lot. That's a fucking, that's a lot of driving. Donnette's statements 341 00:29:03.759 --> 00:29:07.759 shocked police when she told him that Chris had a girl with him like, 342 00:29:07.799 --> 00:29:11.759 oh yeah, that's right, and that's this girl was an accomplice. She 343 00:29:11.880 --> 00:29:15.519 told them about how this girl she knew as Tina, came to the mall 344 00:29:15.720 --> 00:29:21.200 Gary, Indiana when she was applying for a job. Tina lied to Donatt 345 00:29:21.319 --> 00:29:25.240 to get her out to the car where Chris was waiting. She described what 346 00:29:25.319 --> 00:29:29.799 Tina looked like. So she's about sixteen, pretty put, a little bit 347 00:29:29.799 --> 00:29:33.960 plump, and when she followed Tina outside the mall, she'd been led to 348 00:29:33.000 --> 00:29:37.799 that cougar and then of course the man with a beard he pulled out a 349 00:29:37.880 --> 00:29:44.400 gun's it was a three fifty seven magnum and that's how eventually he was able 350 00:29:44.400 --> 00:29:48.039 to get her in the trunk, and then he bound her hands and feet. 351 00:29:48.559 --> 00:29:55.000 Donett was subjected to electric shock torture, along with a lot of other 352 00:29:55.279 --> 00:30:00.759 abuses while Tina was there in the room. Again. She'd been bound and 353 00:30:00.839 --> 00:30:07.680 gagged during the time that she was traveling hog Tide in the backseat, and 354 00:30:07.759 --> 00:30:11.640 she was hidden beneath the rack of clothing Chris had strung up. She believed 355 00:30:11.640 --> 00:30:17.799 that escaping was hopeless. At night, she would be hustled between different motel 356 00:30:17.880 --> 00:30:22.799 rooms because they were always moving around and she was bound most of the time. 357 00:30:22.759 --> 00:30:26.720 She recalled that they went through Niagara Falls and that Chris and Tina got 358 00:30:26.759 --> 00:30:32.759 out to look at the falls. Oh damn. She was in the backseat 359 00:30:32.759 --> 00:30:41.039 of the car. He was so confident, he completely controlled Tina. It's 360 00:30:41.079 --> 00:30:47.400 an invisible tether, yeah, but it's in her mind. On April twelfth, 361 00:30:47.759 --> 00:30:51.839 in the early morning, everybody woke up and Chris turned on the television. 362 00:30:52.359 --> 00:30:55.720 Tina's mom was on the screen. She was on Good Morning America, 363 00:30:55.880 --> 00:31:00.599 and she was begging for any information out there regarding her missing daughter. This 364 00:31:00.599 --> 00:31:07.440 seemed to spook Chris because that's when he panicked and he took Tine on her 365 00:31:07.680 --> 00:31:14.240 and shoved them like into the car really fast. He drove to this narrow, 366 00:31:14.599 --> 00:31:18.119 isolated road. That's the road that the tractor mechanic eventually found her on. 367 00:31:18.599 --> 00:31:22.759 She knew he was going to kill her. She knew that's the end. 368 00:31:22.640 --> 00:31:27.079 But she was blindfolded and bound and gagged. He took her out of 369 00:31:27.119 --> 00:31:32.720 the car and he told her to walk a certain way and keep walking. 370 00:31:33.279 --> 00:31:37.680 She could sense when they had walked through some woods into an open field, 371 00:31:37.680 --> 00:31:42.559 and he forced her to the damp ground. He clamped one hand over her 372 00:31:42.599 --> 00:31:48.400 mouth, and he pinched her nose shut with the other but she tossed and 373 00:31:48.480 --> 00:31:51.880 she turned her head back and forth. I mean she's trying to live, 374 00:31:52.799 --> 00:31:56.359 yes, And then it felt as if he hit her really hard in the 375 00:31:56.559 --> 00:32:00.920 chest and twice in the back. But she blind folded, and the adrenaline's 376 00:32:01.000 --> 00:32:06.200 rushing, and she didn't realize that she'd been stabbed until she could feel this 377 00:32:06.319 --> 00:32:14.279 warm, wetness dripping down her her blood. She forced herself to lay perfectly 378 00:32:14.440 --> 00:32:20.319 still and take really shallow breaths and try not to breathe as much as possible. 379 00:32:21.400 --> 00:32:24.319 She wanted Chris to think up. Obviously she was dead. She could 380 00:32:24.359 --> 00:32:30.680 hear him standing over her. He was breathing really heavy, and then finally 381 00:32:30.680 --> 00:32:35.079 she heard the sound of footsteps walking away from her. Oh my god, 382 00:32:35.160 --> 00:32:39.359 it must have been terrified. Oh. I can't imagine how with your adrenaline 383 00:32:39.359 --> 00:32:45.000 pumping, your heart is just pounding, how do you breathe shallow breaths? 384 00:32:45.119 --> 00:32:49.960 It's impossible. I don't know how I would be able to do that in 385 00:32:50.000 --> 00:32:52.160 that kind of state. No, I can't even do it at like a 386 00:32:52.240 --> 00:32:58.519 kid's too many kids around, Like I mean him re ever tried it'd be 387 00:32:58.640 --> 00:33:02.359 insanity. Eventually, when she felt it was safe, she took the blindfold 388 00:33:02.359 --> 00:33:07.319 off, but she had to do it basically by trying to rub it because 389 00:33:07.359 --> 00:33:12.440 she was still yes, and because of the blood it was possible for her 390 00:33:12.480 --> 00:33:16.880 to slide her wrists out of the bonds. Yeah, and then she was 391 00:33:16.920 --> 00:33:22.480 eventually able to untie her ankles and run like the wind. No, she 392 00:33:22.559 --> 00:33:27.079 was still really disoriented, but that sounded good, Daniels. I mean, 393 00:33:27.119 --> 00:33:30.480 she's been stabbed. Yeah, she's like and she has no idea where she's 394 00:33:30.519 --> 00:33:36.599 at, so she's trying to run. She's staggering out of the woods as 395 00:33:36.640 --> 00:33:40.039 best she can. You ever ran and staggered at the same time. I 396 00:33:40.079 --> 00:33:45.799 don't run. You haven't been drunk enough. I've ran and staggered at the 397 00:33:45.839 --> 00:33:50.559 same time. It's not pretty. But that's when she was found, Yeah, 398 00:33:51.039 --> 00:33:54.279 by the tractor mechanic. She told the FBI everything she knew, but 399 00:33:54.480 --> 00:34:00.000 they still didn't know where Chris was going. He could be anywhere, Yeah, 400 00:34:00.440 --> 00:34:04.920 he really could, and he's not done tanyack. His next victim is 401 00:34:04.960 --> 00:34:08.880 Bath Dodge. She's a thirty three year old wife, mother, and Sunday 402 00:34:08.880 --> 00:34:14.400 school teacher. She didn't fit his profile in any way, shape or form, 403 00:34:14.719 --> 00:34:20.000 except that she's a female. He saw her in the East View Mall 404 00:34:20.239 --> 00:34:23.559 near Victor, New York, and she pulled up in her gold nineteen eighty 405 00:34:23.559 --> 00:34:28.800 two Pontiac Firebird. She was going to meet a friend for lunch, and 406 00:34:28.920 --> 00:34:34.320 Tina and Chris waited an hour for her to go in, have lunch and 407 00:34:34.360 --> 00:34:38.719 then come back to her car. That's when Tina sprung into action and approached 408 00:34:38.719 --> 00:34:44.400 Bath, saying she needed help. Tina lured her back to the car where 409 00:34:44.440 --> 00:34:50.559 Chris was waiting, and then he ordered Bath at gunpoint to toss the keys 410 00:34:50.679 --> 00:34:54.920 to Tina. They immediately went to a gravel pit where he made Bath get 411 00:34:54.920 --> 00:35:00.639 out of the car and he shot her in the bath. Why just because 412 00:35:01.119 --> 00:35:06.199 I think he's just losing it, man, I lost it. They left 413 00:35:06.239 --> 00:35:08.199 behind the cougar and hopped in the Pontiac, and now they had a new 414 00:35:08.239 --> 00:35:13.639 car. There you go in new car. Best body was found only a 415 00:35:13.679 --> 00:35:16.920 few hours after she died, and so was Yeah, so was the cougar 416 00:35:17.760 --> 00:35:22.519 that had once belonged to Terry. Remember it took only a short time for 417 00:35:22.559 --> 00:35:29.800 investigators to just have this national wide alert out for Best missing car and I 418 00:35:29.840 --> 00:35:34.360 mean, we're talking about a stolen gold Firebird, so that should get some 419 00:35:34.440 --> 00:35:37.679 attention. Yeah. You think how many gold Firebirds were there in nineteen eighty 420 00:35:37.679 --> 00:35:42.280 four, and there's probably a lot, but it does stand out, Yeah, 421 00:35:42.280 --> 00:35:45.360 it does stand out. Shortly after nine pm that nine, Tina was 422 00:35:45.400 --> 00:35:51.679 in shock. Chris had decided to drive into the airport access road in Boston, 423 00:35:52.360 --> 00:35:55.159 and she could tell you he was following these signs to the Logan Airport. 424 00:35:55.920 --> 00:35:59.880 She thought, Okay, I'm going to die. This is it? 425 00:36:00.079 --> 00:36:06.960 Oh really he's yeah, he's killed multiple people now she knows this. Instead 426 00:36:07.000 --> 00:36:10.320 of killing her like she thought would happen, he pulled out are you right 427 00:36:10.400 --> 00:36:15.239 for this? A thick chunk of bills and he handed it to her, 428 00:36:15.559 --> 00:36:20.239 telling her to buy a ticket to Los Angeles. What ye Wow? She 429 00:36:20.280 --> 00:36:22.320 doesn't disbelieve for a few moments, and then she got out of the car 430 00:36:22.760 --> 00:36:27.880 and she bought a ticket and she headed home. Wow, are you kidding 431 00:36:27.920 --> 00:36:30.719 me? On a red eye flight? Damn. He dumped her off at 432 00:36:30.760 --> 00:36:32.039 the airport and told to go home and gave her the money for the ticket. 433 00:36:32.079 --> 00:36:38.480 Shit crazy, that's crazy. Three thousand miles away from New York State, 434 00:36:39.000 --> 00:36:45.239 Tina took a cab from the Lax Airport to her Mosa Beach. She 435 00:36:45.400 --> 00:36:49.360 was almost home, but she didn't call her mom. She didn't call her 436 00:36:49.400 --> 00:36:53.280 boyfriend or the police. Instead, she wandered into the shop they had sexy 437 00:36:53.360 --> 00:37:00.119 laundry and started picking out underwear. She's just so traumatized. She's been so 438 00:37:00.440 --> 00:37:07.880 traumatized, and we don't know all the details of what she went through through 439 00:37:07.239 --> 00:37:12.960 all of this, and she was still under his control. At some point, 440 00:37:13.039 --> 00:37:16.760 she's looking at underwear and during this bizarre shopping spree, Tina walked up 441 00:37:16.800 --> 00:37:22.480 to the clerk at the counter and blurted out, I've been kidnapped. Wow. 442 00:37:22.480 --> 00:37:28.159 But before the clerk could stop her, she left. She ended up 443 00:37:28.159 --> 00:37:32.639 going to the police department. Huh, and they questioned her. She looked 444 00:37:32.639 --> 00:37:37.760 at them with eyes of shock. For the record, she is not normal. 445 00:37:37.840 --> 00:37:40.480 She's in a state of shock. And she said, quote, I've 446 00:37:40.519 --> 00:37:47.280 been with a madman. She was taken to the hospital. She had physical 447 00:37:47.320 --> 00:37:55.280 wounds. Her breasts bore peculiar dark bruises that doctor said had came from multiple 448 00:37:55.360 --> 00:38:01.199 electric shocks. She lost a lot of way, She looked exhausted, and 449 00:38:01.280 --> 00:38:08.800 the worst part was the psychological damage. A psychiatrist questioned Tina gently, trying 450 00:38:08.800 --> 00:38:15.679 to draw out just the top layer of the horror she'd been through, saying, 451 00:38:15.719 --> 00:38:22.719 quote, she'd been terrorized, far beyond ordinary threats to someone's life. 452 00:38:22.400 --> 00:38:28.679 Eventually she told the police everything. On that Friday. That very day, 453 00:38:29.039 --> 00:38:34.159 Tina had walked into the police department. The man who released her, Chris, 454 00:38:34.400 --> 00:38:37.480 was on the prowl. Still there was a nineteen year old girl in 455 00:38:37.719 --> 00:38:43.960 when him Massachusetts. Her card stalled beside the road and she was sitting in 456 00:38:44.000 --> 00:38:47.159 it, and he stopped, Albert, what are gentlemen? Do you need 457 00:38:47.199 --> 00:38:51.320 a ride? She said, yeah, sure, He said, I'll take 458 00:38:51.360 --> 00:38:54.480 you into town. We'll get this taken care of. Eventually she realized that 459 00:38:54.519 --> 00:39:00.840 he wasn't heading the right direction, and she glanced at him in to also 460 00:39:00.920 --> 00:39:04.800 realize something else. He looked familiar to her. Oh no, he looked 461 00:39:04.800 --> 00:39:09.800 like somebody she'd seen on TV and on these news bulletins. She actually realized 462 00:39:09.840 --> 00:39:17.840 she was sitting with Chris Wilder. No, no, no. They came 463 00:39:17.880 --> 00:39:23.559 to a stop sign, and obviously Chris slows down, and this girl pushes 464 00:39:23.760 --> 00:39:29.440 open the car door and gets out. She hit the ground running, didn't 465 00:39:29.480 --> 00:39:35.119 look back and ran to this porch of a nearby house. Of course, 466 00:39:35.360 --> 00:39:39.679 he's driving, realizes this and he speeds off. He's disappearing down the road. 467 00:39:40.360 --> 00:39:45.880 She's pounding on this door. And sometime that Friday morning, Chris crossed 468 00:39:45.920 --> 00:39:51.920 over to New Hampshire and he's headed to Colebrook. He was only eight miles 469 00:39:51.920 --> 00:39:55.320 from the Canadian border. The world was closing in on him, and he 470 00:39:55.400 --> 00:40:01.039 pulled into this gas station. It's about one thirty on April thirteenth. He 471 00:40:01.119 --> 00:40:07.039 got out of this firebird and he walked around casually, acting like everybody else, 472 00:40:07.119 --> 00:40:10.760 put some gas in his car, went to go pay the cashier, 473 00:40:12.519 --> 00:40:15.039 and he asked, you know, how far is the Canadian border from here? 474 00:40:15.719 --> 00:40:22.280 Just curious, just scarious. But that day Chris's luck ran out. 475 00:40:22.800 --> 00:40:28.679 Two New Hampshire State troopers were paying their tab for lunch in a little restaurant 476 00:40:28.719 --> 00:40:34.360 just down the street and Quilbor it only has twelve hundred people. It's a 477 00:40:34.400 --> 00:40:40.559 little town. And there's this firebird that's gold yeah. And the stranger there, 478 00:40:42.360 --> 00:40:45.280 this trooper, his name was Leo. He went by Chuck and his 479 00:40:45.360 --> 00:40:51.400 partner Wayne. They spotted the firebird at the gas pump. These two police 480 00:40:51.440 --> 00:40:55.960 officers. They were pretty confident this was Chris, and they parked across the 481 00:40:57.039 --> 00:41:00.639 street just to get a good look at him. When he walked to his 482 00:41:00.760 --> 00:41:04.440 car. He was the right age, right height. He looked like the 483 00:41:04.480 --> 00:41:07.719 guy they'd been looking for, but he seemed really calm for somebody that was 484 00:41:07.760 --> 00:41:14.039 on America's did Most Wanted list. The two cops eventually went to the gas 485 00:41:14.079 --> 00:41:17.760 station and they called out to Chris as he was approaching the car. Hey, 486 00:41:17.760 --> 00:41:20.679 hey, hey, wait a minute, we just want to ask you 487 00:41:20.880 --> 00:41:23.159 a couple of questions. Hang on. Chris looked at him for an instant, 488 00:41:23.719 --> 00:41:29.480 and Chris brinted for the Firebird and one of the police officers drew his 489 00:41:29.599 --> 00:41:34.800 gun, and almost in slow motion, they noticed Chris pull out his three 490 00:41:35.000 --> 00:41:38.519 fifty seven magnum and his oh, holding it in his hand. One of 491 00:41:38.559 --> 00:41:44.920 the officers literally leapt on top of Chris through the driver's door of the Pontiac 492 00:41:45.000 --> 00:41:49.960 because he needed into the Firebird. There was a struggle and both men were 493 00:41:50.000 --> 00:41:53.719 fighting, and then there was this loud boom. Oh no, well you 494 00:41:53.719 --> 00:41:58.920 know who had the gun. Yeah. The one officer kept his gun pointed 495 00:41:58.960 --> 00:42:04.119 at the gold Firebird and he's why he's just watching in shock. His partner 496 00:42:04.639 --> 00:42:10.880 just falls back toward him in this awful stumbling gait. He screams out, 497 00:42:10.920 --> 00:42:16.239 I'm hurt and there's blood. He's now limping. Oh no, back to 498 00:42:16.320 --> 00:42:22.480 the police car, and there's no movement in Chris's car. But the detective 499 00:42:22.840 --> 00:42:27.480 who's not shot isn't taking any chances. Yeah, because only one shot has 500 00:42:27.519 --> 00:42:34.440 gone off and his partner got it. Then suddenly there's another shot. Chris 501 00:42:35.039 --> 00:42:40.760 shot himself. What yep with his three fifty seven Magno, oh my god, 502 00:42:42.159 --> 00:42:45.639 right in the heart, blue apart. Oh shit, I did not 503 00:42:45.719 --> 00:42:47.760 see that coming. Yes, he did it, right in the heart. 504 00:42:49.760 --> 00:42:55.159 When Chris shot himself, it actually injured the other officer. What critically injured 505 00:42:55.239 --> 00:43:00.920 him? Damn? It passed her Chris's body front back and then penetrated this 506 00:43:00.960 --> 00:43:07.360 trooper's chest. That's crazy. It just missed his liver by an inch. 507 00:43:07.559 --> 00:43:14.039 A number of items were recovered from Chris's car, including the gun, ammunition, 508 00:43:14.159 --> 00:43:16.760 handcuffs, rolls of duct tape, rope, a sleeping bag, his 509 00:43:17.119 --> 00:43:22.639 business partner's credit card and he was still using that. A homemade electrical cord 510 00:43:22.719 --> 00:43:28.760 that was used to torture some of his Victims And you know that book the 511 00:43:28.920 --> 00:43:32.360 Collector. Oh yeah, we talked about the end of another episode in which 512 00:43:32.360 --> 00:43:37.000 a man keeps a woman in the basement against her will until she dies. 513 00:43:37.400 --> 00:43:43.760 He had that there. It appeared he'd read it multiple times. A lot 514 00:43:43.800 --> 00:43:51.000 of the victims families were really upset, obviously by Chris's death, and they 515 00:43:51.039 --> 00:43:57.440 want to know exactly what happened to their daughters, and they didn't. Sherry 516 00:43:57.760 --> 00:44:02.599 Bana Ventura's body was eventually found on May third. The remains of Beth Canyon, 517 00:44:04.079 --> 00:44:13.519 Rosario Gonzalez, and Colleen Osborne they were never found, never found of 518 00:44:13.559 --> 00:44:17.679 all the terrible things Chris did, leaving these families just wondering. I mean 519 00:44:17.719 --> 00:44:21.599 it, it was horrible and what he did, what he did all of 520 00:44:21.679 --> 00:44:27.719 us, is fucking horrible. After Chris's death, the parents of Rosario Gonzalez, 521 00:44:27.840 --> 00:44:30.800 they went to Chris's property and they decided they wanted to see if their 522 00:44:30.800 --> 00:44:37.199 missing daughter was buried there. They got arrested four members four members of the 523 00:44:37.239 --> 00:44:43.320 family for trespassing. They filed a claim against him for fifty million dollars, 524 00:44:43.360 --> 00:44:49.320 but they didn't win. And that's the story. What the hell? Yeah, 525 00:44:49.360 --> 00:44:52.039 And I told you before. I read a bunch of books on this, 526 00:44:52.480 --> 00:44:57.079 and the truth is, we don't really know what happened to a lot 527 00:44:57.119 --> 00:45:00.159 of these girls because only Chris knows and he to get with him to the 528 00:45:00.159 --> 00:45:05.760 grave. We only know really what happened when Tina became involved. And because 529 00:45:07.559 --> 00:45:15.199 yeah, so that is the story of Wow Wilder Damn he was crazy. 530 00:45:15.320 --> 00:45:19.320 And keep in mind, if he didn't listen to part one, he lived 531 00:45:19.320 --> 00:45:22.199 in Australia for a while. Yeah, he was all like he literally was 532 00:45:22.280 --> 00:45:25.760 all over the place. He was all over the place, and yeah he 533 00:45:25.760 --> 00:45:32.039 didn't do we know he raped at least one multiple people in Australia. So 534 00:45:32.639 --> 00:45:37.519 did he commit murder there, We don't know. Probably, yeah, really 535 00:45:37.559 --> 00:45:40.440 allegedly. Well thanks to Leo, thank you, and I want to thank 536 00:45:40.440 --> 00:45:45.440 everybody for taking the time to listen to this episode. If you like this 537 00:45:45.800 --> 00:45:52.719 and you want some more that aren't made public, you can go to patreon 538 00:45:52.840 --> 00:45:58.400 dot com slash t NT crimes and that is that would be the Letters T 539 00:45:58.719 --> 00:46:06.480 and T and we release one a week for our subscribers that is not given 540 00:46:06.559 --> 00:46:12.239 to the rest of the public, and you get the weekly public episode early 541 00:46:12.280 --> 00:46:16.079 release and add free. Absolutely don't have to listen to this damn commercially or 542 00:46:16.199 --> 00:46:22.840 spend time fast forward. That's true. That's true. 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