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Hi everyone, I'm Talia and I'm Tanya, and together we are Crimes and
Consequences, a true crime podcast. Hi Tanya, Hi Talia. Welcome back,
everybody. This is our second episode. I'm Chris Wilder. Part two,
Part two, Part two, Part two, and it gets really bad.
My voice is better, you're right, is better, not coughing as
much, but it's still a little painful. If you haven't done so already,
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going on. You might be a little confused, slightly, Taliyah. Before
we get into part two, Yeah, I think we should give a shout
out to our number one fan, Dave. Dave, who's probably walking his
dog right now. We adore you, Dave, Yes, we do.
And I know you're excited for part two, So let's get into it.
Yeah, let's do it, all right, So, as I was saying
in Part one, Chris was now on the run. He was in Georgia,
but he didn't stay there very long. He took that Chrysler he's driving
and he headed towards Texas. So number on Thursday, March twenty second,
in nineteen eighty four, and that's when Chris first saw twenty four year old
Terry Diane Walden in the parking lot of her college. Diane was married,
she had a four year old daughter. She was beautiful, she had blonde
hair. Many men noticed her because she was just gorgeous. And of course
that is what Chris's ms is, to find pretty girls and see if they
want to be models. Earlier that day, she'd been approached by a man
who told her she could be a model, could be a model, She
laughed, later told her husband about Yeah, hey, guess what, somebody
thought I was pretty enough, you know, to be a model. But
she'd also rejected the guy. She's in college. She's not out for modeling.
Chris moved on after being turned down by Terry. He kept on his
journey and he ended up pulling over off the highway into this motel in Winnie,
Texas. He was still using his partner's name and credit card by the
way, Okay, but he couldn't get Terry out of his head. And
the next day, and this is a Friday, he backtracked and he made
his way to Beaumont, Texas, which is where Terry was. Terry really
didn't think much about the encounter besides being flattered, right, I mean,
she's busy with a four year old, she's married, she's in college.
That day she took her daughter to daycare, she was driving to Cougar.
It was a new car that hurt and her husband had just purchased. And
then she was headed off to study with some friends because the day to quiz
for college. She picked up a few things at the Beaumont shopping mall,
and she planned to be home in plenty of time to pick up her daughter
from daycare. It was just her regular routine, nothing unique. Terry's husband
was a first to realize something was really wrong. Friday evening, his daughter's
daycare called to say that Terry hadn't came to pick up their child. And
that's when he was that really worried. And he remembered about the guy who
offered to help her be a model and claimed to be part of a modeling
agency, and to him, I think that was a creeper factor. Yeah,
I mean right, if you're a guy and someone's telling your wife that,
I would just assume that it's a way to pick up my wife.
He called the police and the police, and eventually the FBI took Terry's disappearance
seriously from the beginning, I know, it doesn't happen very often in our
stories, and they organize a grid search of the area around them all because
they were wondering if perhaps Terry didn't tell her husband that she agreed to maybe
meet the guy at the mall again, or maybe he's still there pursuing other
Okay, law enforcement authorities knew that Chris had left Florida and Georgia in this
Chrysler, and they got a report about a man driving Chrysler and he had
a beard, and there was a woman in the passenger seat. But the
person that reported it it was actually a teenage girl, and she said that
she couldn't really see that much, but it kind of seemed like the woman
was leaning her head against the window Chrysler. This car had turned off through
some rice fields, and that was unusual and then this young witness said,
I saw it leader again. It was coming back along the rice Field road,
but I couldn't see the woman anymore. A massive search for Terry began
in that area, but they didn't find her for three days. Oh no,
then they did. Her body was found bound with rope really tight.
She was I hate saying it like this, but she was bob based down
in a canal near the road where the girl had last seen her. Oh
really, she was just in the water. She'd gone to the surface.
An autopsy revealed that Terry had been stabbed three times in the breast, and
the thrust were so powerful that the blade had gone completely through her body.
Oh my god. Really that must be a big knife too, right.
Wow. They do believe that she would have lived, believe it or not,
because it didn't hit any organs if she would have gotten medical help soon
enough, but instead she bled out. She didn't die from drowning. They
couldn't tell she'd been raped because just from being in the canal for that long
in the water, there was no traces of seminal fluid. They believed she
died the after knew she was abducted, and also Terry's car was missing from
the parking lot where she was at. Every cop in the South knew now
that Chris was a killing machine. They knew it was him, and he
was hurdling himself through the United States, at least in the South, and
very obviously slick in his approach to these victims, that he was able to
take them away from what you would deem a safe place and nobody heard anything
because there's no witnesses to any of this, except for the fact to talk
to you about a young girl seeing them in a car, But nobody heard
any of these abductions. Back in South Florida, detectives and FBI agents,
they're just learning more and more about Chris. He used this idea of a
modeling agent see and this fashion photographer Ruth apparently for much longer time than they
knew. There were many women or girls, young girl girls like teens,
that came forward and said they'd been approached by a man with a beard.
He used a number of different aliases, but he always had a business card
with him that made him seem reputable, so I guess he had different business
cards with different names. Sometimes he would actually take photos of the young women,
like when he met them. Yeah, I'm gonna take it back to
the agency. Yeah, exactly, that's what I'm guessing. Agents police force
ended up trying to map out where Chris started, where he was going.
They had a command center now and it just showed him starting to go across
America. So he went from Texas to Oklahoma City. Somehow they can trace
this. They know that he spent a night at a motel there and then
on Sunday afternoon he was seen at Penn Square Mall, although no one really
reported anything about it until Monday. And I'm let me explain. Suzanne Wendy
Logan. She's twenty, she's a new bride, and this is spring of
nineteen eighty four. She was beautiful, a blonde. He seemed to really
like blondess and she wanted to be a model. She put together her own
portfolio with various photographs of herself, and somehow she met Chris beforehand and then
or got his number and met him at the mall on March twenty fifth with
her portfolio. Chris, He's this is perfect, perfect, right, exactly
exactly. Susanne ended up becoming a missing person. There were people that witnessed
her at the mall that afternoon, talking to a bearded man who had a
camera around his neck. Chris had obviously kidnapped her, and he was heading
north with his helpless victim inte. He drove up I one thirty five to
Newton, Kansas, so again he's making his way around the United States.
There he found a motel and he brought Suzanne into it and he beat her.
Oh and he tortured it. Oh and she wasn't as lucky as Jill
had been. It was the next day a fisherman found her body. It
was bound on the shores of Milford Lake, but it took days to positively
identify her due to the beating. Yeah, yeah, I mean, he's
getting more and more angry, Tanya. He's like totally defiling her face.
His rage is building. He inflicted pain that was beyond the imagination of most
of us. Suzanne's beautiful hair had been cut short. Oh and he shaved
her pubic hair off. She'd been cut with a sharp knife, but like
teased, you know, Okay, yeah, bitten, stabbed through the left
brass, but that didn't kill her. Chris was using one of the credit
cards she had had on her and that's how the police in the FBI are
able to kind of track his whereabouts, but there are always one step behind.
I mean, when you're using credit cards and stuff, you're going to
be behind. The investigators were really frustrated he's managed by this point. I
don't know if you've kept count, but he's abducted seven women since January,
damn, and only one escaped. Chris turned up in the West after Suzanne's
body was found. He was driving that cougar that I told you was stolen
from Terry and he was in Colorado on Route seventy. And now we're only
on March twenty nine, so he's just wow, he's in Colorado, all
yeah, wow, and he was ready for yet another victim. He showed
up at the Mason Mall that Thursday. He had his camera around him and
he was looking for a particular type. He was looking for the cowgirl type
model. He went around to other people at the mall and said he was
a photographer and he was on a specific job and needed a girl that looked
like she was dressed like a cowgirl at the mall. Okay, like she's
just gonna show up just like a cowgirl. I don't know. Maybe so
Cheryl Benaventura, she was eighteen. She was exactly what he had in mind.
Although she never heard of Chris Wilder. She went to the mall dressed
as the perfect part for his next victim, completely unaware. She was wearing
a white sweatshirt with a Cherokee logo, blue jeans, cowboy boots, and
she had a lot of chunky gold jewelry. She went there to go shopping,
but she didn't plan on staying long. She's gonna meet a friend soon
and the two were gonna go to Aspen for skiing. Oh fuck, I
know all she needed, which is a few little extra items for her trip.
So it was in a deal. She had thick blond hair, slender
figure, perfect figure. She looked like a model. Somewhere in that mall,
Cheryl met Chris and he gave her that story about you could be a
model. He claimed he was from a big Denver agency, and we know
she walked away with him. Cheryl's friend waited for her, and she waited.
There was this pre arranged area where they were going to meet. This
spot. Somehow Chris managed to convince Cheryl not to go meet her friend there's
evidence that Cheryl did go with Chris willingly, as the pair was seen in
Silverton, and that's a little mining town on the way to Durango, Colorado,
that was one hundred miles south of the mall where she was last seen.
They stopped at a restaurant, and Cheryl's grandpa had worked there before,
so she knew that restaurant. She talked with the owner. That's how they
know she was actually lay there because he remembered talking to Cheryl. He knew
Cheryl, and Cheryl said she was really excited about becoming a model. Oh
no. A man with blue eyes a neatly clipped beard was beside her,
and he was smiling as she's just so enthusiastic about this. They grabbed a
bunch of donuts and then they moved on. He's very bold. Yeah that
I know. He doesn't even give a fuck. Now he's getting away with
it. He's on the run whatever. For some reason, Chris didn't do
anything to Cheryl. For a few days, they were spotted in a few
locations in Colorado and Arizona. They hung out together. M I don't know
what story is weird. The night of March thirtieth. They checked into a
motel in Page, Arizona as a married couple. Weird, what the fuck
is going on? Shortly after dawn, someone noticed Chris as he whisked the
blonde woman out of his room, Cheryl, and rushed her to his car
like they're like something weird, something weird. From that point on, there
were no more sightings of Cheryl and this man twice rage Chris. Cheryl's family
kept up the search for her, but she vanished somewhere along the trail from
her hometown to Las Vegas. They lost her. There's just no trace of
her anymore. Chris wasn't done. He continued on. He had his next
victim, seventeen year old Michelle Korfman. She was pretty young. She had
parked the brand new car father had given her at the Meadows Shopping Mall in
Las Vegas. And I always tell my kids be weird. As I got
girls at the mall, right, talk to anyone and stranger danger, stranger
danger, seriously. And this is Las Vegas. It was April Fool's Day.
Michelle and some of her other friends, they're young women. We're at
the mall and there was this guy. He was a fashion photographer and he
was looking for models. He had a portfolio out of photographs he'd taken of
really beautiful women, and he showed all these really pretty teenage girls this.
He had an expensive camera, he had a leather case, and he promised
that the potential models would get a good fee up front, and more important,
that he was working with the top modeling agencies out there. Even so,
three of the girls were like no, yeah, no, thank you.
They didn't want to leave them all with him, which is what he
wanted them to do. He was going to try to get a group of
girls wow to go to his studio. He didn't seem angry or disappointed when
they didn't want to go. He just sat on this bench nearr stage And
just so you know, there was a contest going on. It was is
I believe a young girls, and I think younger than teens modeling contests not
modeling? What do they call it? What are those shows? Like a
fashion show or something? Beauty? Beauty thank you? I guess yeah,
like you see on TV. Yeah, so if you think about it,
there's this younger beauty pageant and he's trying to set up like he's a professional
because he's going to get people that want that are interested in that sort of
stuff to come around. And he's got his card, he's got his camera,
portfolio, portfolio. Oh yeah, it seems really legit. Right.
One of the mothers in attendance, her daughter was a professional. That's what
I'm calling it. What it helped me out, Tanya. What are those
mothers the pageant? The pageant moms? Is that what they're calling She was
one of those, and she's taking pictures of her daughter on the stage,
and she actually captured a picture of Chris. I've seen that picture. Yes
see I knew you knew this case. Yeah, I saw that picture.
Yeah, it's out there, yea, included with the story. So this
beauty contest, when it was over, he just kind of creeped everybody out
by lingering around. Several people saw Michelle talking to him, and then the
two of them headed slowly towards the exit. So there's this, I mean
this is there's a group of people and right, and they see them walking
towards the exit and the Michelle's gone her price car, brand new, perfect
condition, that was found days later in a parking lot behind Caesar's Palace in
Las Vegas. Chris laughed Las Vegas, and Michelle was with him at least
part of the day. By April fourth, Chris was alone again and he's
now driving that cougar. Although it wasn't known at the time, Michelle was
dead. Eventually, her unclaimed unidentified body lay in the Los Angeles County Morgue.
Oh damn Los Angeles on June fifteenth, when Nevada and California authorities finally
connected her corpse with a beautiful seventeen year old who had vanished from Las Vegas.
She'd been missing two and a half months. Oh how awful for the
madied all that makes me so say, I know he made the FBI's ten
most wanted list. Wow, everybody was looking for him. But this fucker,
he just seemed to get away everything. Lucky the tenth victim may have
lived because she didn't argue or threatened him. She played helpless and that probably
is what saved her life. In April fourth, Tina Marie Rocicico, she's
sixteen, was headed to apply for a job at a Delhi in Torrance,
and that's one of the many cities that were South Los Angeles. Yes,
my friend Jody oh, she lived in toy She lived in Torre. You
go. Tina wasn't looking forward to the job because he just paid minimum wage.
But she she's like, probably, like I need a job. I
guess yeah, because she was with a single mom and her mom needed help,
so okay, you gotta do what you gotta do. She was a
survivor. She wanted to pull her own weight. When she encountered Chris,
she was just easy prey for him. He came up to the outside of
the deli and he's not frightening at all. He's just an old man with
a beard and friendly blue eyes. Okay, old, yeah, I know,
he's probably like or something right, and now my like creeper radar goes
off. But she's young. He told her that she was just the right
type for an ad campaign for a company was working for. She saw his
camera and he had all this, he had extra gear with him, and
she felt comfortable. She was a little bit different than some of the other
girls. She was a little bit overweight, and she wasn't used to somebody
being told she could be a model. And she was really flattered and intrigued,
and he offered her a hundred dollars if she would go to the beach
near Santa Monica with him and just pose for some ad shots. To her,
there was a lot of money, so she agreed. At first it
was fun, until later she realized that the wind like it was getting chilly.
The wind is blowing, and there was only those two left on the
beach. Like yeah, And she told Chris, you know, I got
to get home. My mom's waiting, but he kept persisting that she stay,
and then he got angry with her. He told her your modeling days
are over, and he dragged her over to his car. He pushed her
into the backseat and he held her down as he tied her arms behind her
back, and then he looped this rope between her ankles, so she's being
hog tied basically. Next thing she knew, the car's racing away from the
beach and headed outside of Torrents. She's just trapped there for six hours.
Oh, that's terrifying. And then the car slowly went to a stop.
Chris and Tina were still in the cougar, although now it had different plates.
It had some new Mexico plates that Chris had stolen. Chris had been
stealing along the way, credit cards, other things in an effort to hide
his identity, but he still was using his partner's credit card. What a
dumb ass. He headed out of Los Angeles County to El Centro, California.
Do you know that? I have you been there? And he chucked
into a motel. He had a quick little nap and then he hit the
road again with Tina in the car. They crossed the desert into Arizona,
and then he went north to Prescott, Arizona, which I've been to.
I have. They stayed the night on a motel there and then something changed.
Maybe it was the fact that he saw himself on the ten most wanted
lists. Nobody really knows. But there's no sightings, no motel receipts,
nothing for four days straight. And keep in mind, they're on his tail,
they're just behind him him. During those four days, Tina was subjected
to multiple rapes. She didn't fight him. She was just very passive during
all these encounters. She listened to what Chris said, listen to talk about
his fantasy, gross his obsessions, his hopes, his dreams, and somehow
her just listening and carrying a pretending to care about him. Sue them.
He just needed someone to talk to Taliah, right, someone just don't understand
it, just to listen. He can call what is it betterhelp dot com?
I don't know, whatever. Whatever. For whatever reason, Kristen killed
Tina. That's why I'm guessing he didn't, but I don't know. He
kept her with him and he headed east. It didn't take long before Tina
developed Stockholm syndrome. Oh no, yeah, and you know what that is.
Yes, for those that don't, it's an intricate psychological process that basically
turned your mind inside out. In other words, she was brainwashed. She
was kidnapped, terrorized, rape, taken far from home. The fact she
survived is amazing, and Chris was being kind of her. Is it sounds
weird to say? It does? When someone goes through that and then eventually
their captor is nice and gentle and uses a soft voice. It can have
It can create that Stockholm syndrome. It didn't kill her. She hoped he
wouldn't, and she thought if she just listened to him and did whatever he
asked, she'd survive. But as I said, things began to change.
They crossed into the Indiana state line. By that point Tina was prepared to
do whatever Chris ass of her. He convinced her that even when she was
out of the car and away from him, he could still hurt her.
In order to stay alive, she'd have to follow his orders. In Gary,
Indiana, on April tenth, Chris ordered Tina to go to the Westlake
Mall and find him a girl no, yes, no yes. He gave
her script oh that she had to use to get the victim to go with
her. Basically, the script went along the lines of offer a pretty girl
a job, a modeling job, and get her to the car. And
Chris just sat there and waited until sixteen year old donnat Well arrived with Tina.
They got into the car, and the cure sped away. Tina was
no longer the prime captive. Donnett had taken her place. She was outbound,
gagged with doc tape in the backseat of the car. Can you imagine
how Donnatt felt wondering about Tina. Yeah, I'd be like, what the
hell the girl that led her there? Tina was in some sort of trance,
Like I said, it was like Stockholm syndrome. It's just she wouldn't
help Donna she didn't look at Donna. So now you have the FBI and
the police and they're looking at credit cards, partners, credit cards, trying
to find information. They know his last years in Arizona, and they were
concentrating their efforts there. But they're behind him and they didn't know what his
next move was because he'd been zig zagging. He'd crossed so you know,
Tanya six thousand miles before they tracked him. Holy shit, he did go
from California to Gary, Indiana. I mean, that's like all the way
across the country, started in Florida and started in the place. On April
eleventh, the credit card that they'd been tracking was used at a motel in
southeast of roch Haster, New York. Jeez, he's in New York.
They went there, No one recalled seeing the guy that used that. They
couldn't describe who it was, and they're behind him still. That same day,
a tractor mechanic was driving on a two lane road in the woods near
penn Yan, New York. He was lost and he was about to turn
around when he saw this young woman running towards them. She was almost naked,
her breasts were red with blood. He stopped his truck, jumped out,
and he helped her into the passenger seat, and then he took her
to the hospital. Donnat survived. Wow, that was Donnat shit. Stab
wounds to her chest, oh jeeze, oh my god. By only luck
Okay, they didn't pierce her vital orients and she was eventually able to talk
to the FBI agents. So he had taken her to the woods, half
naked, stabbed her and left her for dead. But she didn't die.
And I love that part. I know me too. It happened so infrequently
in our story. No not, unfortunately, happened enough. The FBI agents
gave her mug shots, and of course she identifies Chris. He'd gone from
Florida to Georgia, Louisiana, Alabama, Texas, Oklahoma, Kansas, Colorado,
Utah, Nevada, California, Arizona, Indiana, Ohio, and now
he was somewhere south of Lake Ontario, between Buffalo and Syracuse, New York.
Jeez, it was a lot. To our non US listeners, it's
a lot. That's a fucking, that's a lot of driving. Donnette's statements
shocked police when she told him that Chris had a girl with him like,
oh yeah, that's right, and that's this girl was an accomplice. She
told them about how this girl she knew as Tina, came to the mall
Gary, Indiana when she was applying for a job. Tina lied to Donatt
to get her out to the car where Chris was waiting. She described what
Tina looked like. So she's about sixteen, pretty put, a little bit
plump, and when she followed Tina outside the mall, she'd been led to
that cougar and then of course the man with a beard he pulled out a
gun's it was a three fifty seven magnum and that's how eventually he was able
to get her in the trunk, and then he bound her hands and feet.
Donett was subjected to electric shock torture, along with a lot of other
abuses while Tina was there in the room. Again. She'd been bound and
gagged during the time that she was traveling hog Tide in the backseat, and
she was hidden beneath the rack of clothing Chris had strung up. She believed
that escaping was hopeless. At night, she would be hustled between different motel
rooms because they were always moving around and she was bound most of the time.
She recalled that they went through Niagara Falls and that Chris and Tina got
out to look at the falls. Oh damn. She was in the backseat
of the car. He was so confident, he completely controlled Tina. It's
an invisible tether, yeah, but it's in her mind. On April twelfth,
in the early morning, everybody woke up and Chris turned on the television.
Tina's mom was on the screen. She was on Good Morning America,
and she was begging for any information out there regarding her missing daughter. This
seemed to spook Chris because that's when he panicked and he took Tine on her
and shoved them like into the car really fast. He drove to this narrow,
isolated road. That's the road that the tractor mechanic eventually found her on.
She knew he was going to kill her. She knew that's the end.
But she was blindfolded and bound and gagged. He took her out of
the car and he told her to walk a certain way and keep walking.
She could sense when they had walked through some woods into an open field,
and he forced her to the damp ground. He clamped one hand over her
mouth, and he pinched her nose shut with the other but she tossed and
she turned her head back and forth. I mean she's trying to live,
yes, And then it felt as if he hit her really hard in the
chest and twice in the back. But she blind folded, and the adrenaline's
rushing, and she didn't realize that she'd been stabbed until she could feel this
warm, wetness dripping down her her blood. She forced herself to lay perfectly
still and take really shallow breaths and try not to breathe as much as possible.
She wanted Chris to think up. Obviously she was dead. She could
hear him standing over her. He was breathing really heavy, and then finally
she heard the sound of footsteps walking away from her. Oh my god,
it must have been terrified. Oh. I can't imagine how with your adrenaline
pumping, your heart is just pounding, how do you breathe shallow breaths?
It's impossible. I don't know how I would be able to do that in
that kind of state. No, I can't even do it at like a
kid's too many kids around, Like I mean him re ever tried it'd be
insanity. Eventually, when she felt it was safe, she took the blindfold
off, but she had to do it basically by trying to rub it because
she was still yes, and because of the blood it was possible for her
to slide her wrists out of the bonds. Yeah, and then she was
eventually able to untie her ankles and run like the wind. No, she
was still really disoriented, but that sounded good, Daniels. I mean,
she's been stabbed. Yeah, she's like and she has no idea where she's
at, so she's trying to run. She's staggering out of the woods as
best she can. You ever ran and staggered at the same time. I
don't run. You haven't been drunk enough. I've ran and staggered at the
same time. It's not pretty. But that's when she was found, Yeah,
by the tractor mechanic. She told the FBI everything she knew, but
they still didn't know where Chris was going. He could be anywhere, Yeah,
he really could, and he's not done tanyack. His next victim is
Bath Dodge. She's a thirty three year old wife, mother, and Sunday
school teacher. She didn't fit his profile in any way, shape or form,
except that she's a female. He saw her in the East View Mall
near Victor, New York, and she pulled up in her gold nineteen eighty
two Pontiac Firebird. She was going to meet a friend for lunch, and
Tina and Chris waited an hour for her to go in, have lunch and
then come back to her car. That's when Tina sprung into action and approached
Bath, saying she needed help. Tina lured her back to the car where
Chris was waiting, and then he ordered Bath at gunpoint to toss the keys
to Tina. They immediately went to a gravel pit where he made Bath get
out of the car and he shot her in the bath. Why just because
I think he's just losing it, man, I lost it. They left
behind the cougar and hopped in the Pontiac, and now they had a new
car. There you go in new car. Best body was found only a
few hours after she died, and so was Yeah, so was the cougar
that had once belonged to Terry. Remember it took only a short time for
investigators to just have this national wide alert out for Best missing car and I
mean, we're talking about a stolen gold Firebird, so that should get some
attention. Yeah. You think how many gold Firebirds were there in nineteen eighty
four, and there's probably a lot, but it does stand out, Yeah,
it does stand out. Shortly after nine pm that nine, Tina was
in shock. Chris had decided to drive into the airport access road in Boston,
and she could tell you he was following these signs to the Logan Airport.
She thought, Okay, I'm going to die. This is it?
Oh really he's yeah, he's killed multiple people now she knows this. Instead
of killing her like she thought would happen, he pulled out are you right
for this? A thick chunk of bills and he handed it to her,
telling her to buy a ticket to Los Angeles. What ye Wow? She
doesn't disbelieve for a few moments, and then she got out of the car
and she bought a ticket and she headed home. Wow, are you kidding
me? On a red eye flight? Damn. He dumped her off at
the airport and told to go home and gave her the money for the ticket.
Shit crazy, that's crazy. Three thousand miles away from New York State,
Tina took a cab from the Lax Airport to her Mosa Beach. She
was almost home, but she didn't call her mom. She didn't call her
boyfriend or the police. Instead, she wandered into the shop they had sexy
laundry and started picking out underwear. She's just so traumatized. She's been so
traumatized, and we don't know all the details of what she went through through
all of this, and she was still under his control. At some point,
she's looking at underwear and during this bizarre shopping spree, Tina walked up
to the clerk at the counter and blurted out, I've been kidnapped. Wow.
But before the clerk could stop her, she left. She ended up
going to the police department. Huh, and they questioned her. She looked
at them with eyes of shock. For the record, she is not normal.
She's in a state of shock. And she said, quote, I've
been with a madman. She was taken to the hospital. She had physical
wounds. Her breasts bore peculiar dark bruises that doctor said had came from multiple
electric shocks. She lost a lot of way, She looked exhausted, and
the worst part was the psychological damage. A psychiatrist questioned Tina gently, trying
to draw out just the top layer of the horror she'd been through, saying,
quote, she'd been terrorized, far beyond ordinary threats to someone's life.
Eventually she told the police everything. On that Friday. That very day,
Tina had walked into the police department. The man who released her, Chris,
was on the prowl. Still there was a nineteen year old girl in
when him Massachusetts. Her card stalled beside the road and she was sitting in
it, and he stopped, Albert, what are gentlemen? Do you need
a ride? She said, yeah, sure, He said, I'll take
you into town. We'll get this taken care of. Eventually she realized that
he wasn't heading the right direction, and she glanced at him in to also
realize something else. He looked familiar to her. Oh no, he looked
like somebody she'd seen on TV and on these news bulletins. She actually realized
she was sitting with Chris Wilder. No, no, no. They came
to a stop sign, and obviously Chris slows down, and this girl pushes
open the car door and gets out. She hit the ground running, didn't
look back and ran to this porch of a nearby house. Of course,
he's driving, realizes this and he speeds off. He's disappearing down the road.
She's pounding on this door. And sometime that Friday morning, Chris crossed
over to New Hampshire and he's headed to Colebrook. He was only eight miles
from the Canadian border. The world was closing in on him, and he
pulled into this gas station. It's about one thirty on April thirteenth. He
got out of this firebird and he walked around casually, acting like everybody else,
put some gas in his car, went to go pay the cashier,
and he asked, you know, how far is the Canadian border from here?
Just curious, just scarious. But that day Chris's luck ran out.
Two New Hampshire State troopers were paying their tab for lunch in a little restaurant
just down the street and Quilbor it only has twelve hundred people. It's a
little town. And there's this firebird that's gold yeah. And the stranger there,
this trooper, his name was Leo. He went by Chuck and his
partner Wayne. They spotted the firebird at the gas pump. These two police
officers. They were pretty confident this was Chris, and they parked across the
street just to get a good look at him. When he walked to his
car. He was the right age, right height. He looked like the
guy they'd been looking for, but he seemed really calm for somebody that was
on America's did Most Wanted list. The two cops eventually went to the gas
station and they called out to Chris as he was approaching the car. Hey,
hey, hey, wait a minute, we just want to ask you
a couple of questions. Hang on. Chris looked at him for an instant,
and Chris brinted for the Firebird and one of the police officers drew his
gun, and almost in slow motion, they noticed Chris pull out his three
fifty seven magnum and his oh, holding it in his hand. One of
the officers literally leapt on top of Chris through the driver's door of the Pontiac
because he needed into the Firebird. There was a struggle and both men were
fighting, and then there was this loud boom. Oh no, well you
know who had the gun. Yeah. The one officer kept his gun pointed
at the gold Firebird and he's why he's just watching in shock. His partner
just falls back toward him in this awful stumbling gait. He screams out,
I'm hurt and there's blood. He's now limping. Oh no, back to
the police car, and there's no movement in Chris's car. But the detective
who's not shot isn't taking any chances. Yeah, because only one shot has
gone off and his partner got it. Then suddenly there's another shot. Chris
shot himself. What yep with his three fifty seven Magno, oh my god,
right in the heart, blue apart. Oh shit, I did not
see that coming. Yes, he did it, right in the heart.
When Chris shot himself, it actually injured the other officer. What critically injured
him? Damn? It passed her Chris's body front back and then penetrated this
trooper's chest. That's crazy. It just missed his liver by an inch.
A number of items were recovered from Chris's car, including the gun, ammunition,
handcuffs, rolls of duct tape, rope, a sleeping bag, his
business partner's credit card and he was still using that. A homemade electrical cord
that was used to torture some of his Victims And you know that book the
Collector. Oh yeah, we talked about the end of another episode in which
a man keeps a woman in the basement against her will until she dies.
He had that there. It appeared he'd read it multiple times. A lot
of the victims families were really upset, obviously by Chris's death, and they
want to know exactly what happened to their daughters, and they didn't. Sherry
Bana Ventura's body was eventually found on May third. The remains of Beth Canyon,
Rosario Gonzalez, and Colleen Osborne they were never found, never found of
all the terrible things Chris did, leaving these families just wondering. I mean
it, it was horrible and what he did, what he did all of
us, is fucking horrible. After Chris's death, the parents of Rosario Gonzalez,
they went to Chris's property and they decided they wanted to see if their
missing daughter was buried there. They got arrested four members four members of the
family for trespassing. They filed a claim against him for fifty million dollars,
but they didn't win. And that's the story. What the hell? Yeah,
And I told you before. I read a bunch of books on this,
and the truth is, we don't really know what happened to a lot
of these girls because only Chris knows and he to get with him to the
grave. We only know really what happened when Tina became involved. And because
yeah, so that is the story of Wow Wilder Damn he was crazy.
And keep in mind, if he didn't listen to part one, he lived
in Australia for a while. Yeah, he was all like he literally was
all over the place. He was all over the place, and yeah he
didn't do we know he raped at least one multiple people in Australia. So
did he commit murder there, We don't know. Probably, yeah, really
allegedly. Well thanks to Leo, thank you, and I want to thank
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