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Welcome to episode thirty three of gat
Out, a live a podcast where me,

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your host Ashley every other week tells
you a new animal tach story.

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There we got it, and yeah
she didn't get the first time, and

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you're the host. Nick is not
going to be part of this episode.

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Really, I think I'm just listening
the whole time, Like there's not even

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like things for me to react.
I'm sorry, but what do you do

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otherwise? Uh? Yeah? No? Oh my god. So we have

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a couple of new patrons a shout
out cute the music, So thank you

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very much to our new expert survivalists
Babs and Kim Williamson. We really appreciate

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you guys. It was really awesome
for me. I love our patrons so

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much. Specifically, Kim, who
we just mentioned, said that at first

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not the biggest a Nick, but
she was wrong and I think that's hilarious.

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And also another patron, Don said
that Nick should never be muzzled,

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so if Nick gets worse after like
in the coming episodes, you'll know who

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to blame. I can't get any
worse like this is who I am.

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I disagree, I've seen it,
I've seen you wor Yeah, now you're

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right. Yeah, yep, okay, we have so. Well. First

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I'll be honest whenever we order stuff, I don't think about the fact we

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might grow just doesn't exist in my
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not the order person for this podcast. I'm not much of an anything person

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for this podcast. You sent out
emails and that was I did. Thank

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you. Yeah I really stressed that
about writing an email too. Yeah,

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I bet you did. So the
episode we are covering today and in the

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coming weeks. So you know how
true crime is a thing, like true

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crime podcasts and documentaries and shit.
Yeah you know how there's like famous cases,

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Yeah sure, like you know,
famous serial killers, famous people have

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gone missing, or killed whatever,
So I feel like the animal attack world

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doesn't really have that except for this
case. Okay, this is one of

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the big ones. No, okay, because no offense. You're you,

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and honestly, I've mentioned it a
few times and you were like, I

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don't know what this is. So
I don't think you're going to know what

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this is. Yeah, probably that
seems about right. But it has consumed

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so much of my life in the
past few weeks, so it's going to

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now consume all of yours. So
what we're talking about today is Night of

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the Grizzlies, which was a book
written by Jack Olson, and it covers

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a series of well it covers some
grizzly bear attacks in Glacier National Park back

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in the day. So it's super
long. So for context, an hour

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long episode for us, I might
have a total of like six pages of

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notes, like the Savo Lines episode, which is insane, by the way,

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that's a lot of notes. The
amount of notes I have for this

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story is twenty one pages. That's
a that's had ridiculous. It's a beast.

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So I am pulling most of what
I'm going to be talking about today

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from Jack Olson's Night the Grizzlies Book, which was published in June of nineteen

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sixty nine. And then also there's
a wonderful PBS documentary like by Montana PBS

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that is called Glacier Parks Night of
the Grizzlies and it was published in twenty

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eleven in May, so be pulling
from both of those. And yeah,

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there's a lot that was like Prime
Discovery Channel or like Animal Planet watching time

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for me, So like maybe I
saw it on one of those if they

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played it twenty eleven. Yeah,
you're in the eighth grade. Yeah,

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that's when I'm watching Discovery Channel and
I don't play it. Yeah when we

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watch, well, it was Montana
PBS, So I doubt that you saw

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a GBS show from Montana. I
saw all the good shit. The beginning's

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a bit cheesy, and I will
say the book so Jack Olsen he has

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since passed, but he was a
crime writer, like a true crime novelist.

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So his story about this is like
a little like the language is a

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little bit flowery in the first two
chapters or him just describing the park,

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So there's that. Are going to
read all that or we're going to skip

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right there. Oh, I'm not
going to go on for two chapters worth

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of book, but I am going
to give some quick facts before, so

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there's a lot of build up to
what we're going to start talking about,

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and I swear it'll all make sense. I am only going to introduce you

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to characters that are important. There
are a lot of characters. There's like

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four of them that have almost exactly
the same names. Ray Ron, Roy,

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Robert. There's a lot of ours. Ray Ron, what was it,

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Roy Ray, I can't even do
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Robert. There's and then there's two
brothers who are so Ray and Ron

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are brothers, and then there's a
Roy, and then there's a Don and

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Robert. So should we just we
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this episode, so we're gonna try
to split this and how I think I

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want to do it is this episode
will release and then the second part will

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immediately be available to our patrons,
and then in two weeks part two will

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be the normal episode like on our
normal feed. That sound good? Cool?

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It might even have to be three
episodes. We'll see what we get

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to. Yeah, so let's just
get into it. Our story takes place

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in Glacier National Park, which is
in the northwest corner of Montana. And

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we're gonna talk about Glacier for a
bit before we get started. For those

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who have not been there, it
was established in May of nineteen ten,

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and the park is sixteen hundred square
miles and has over seven hundred miles of

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trails, and as of eighteen fifty
it was home to over eighty glaciers,

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but as of twenty fifteen, there
are only twenty six. This is due

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to both natural processes but also human
caused climate change. Of course, it

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is an extremely busy park and between
May and September there are three million visitors.

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The most popular trails are the Grenelle
Glacier Trail, the Highline Trail,

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and Avalanche Lake, which averaged over
one thousand hikers a day during the busy

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season. I went to Glacier last
year and I can attest to this.

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We got up early, drove around
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at the end of going to the
Sun Road, and it was like,

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no matter how many times we circled, we could not find parking to hike

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any of those trails because that's where
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stuff like all the things people want
to see. So it's basically impossible.

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And we talked about this before in
the Otter Family Grizzly Attack, because it's

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sometimes it seems like it's forcing people
to get up and hike pre dawn and

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dusk, which are dangerous times to
be hiking around grizzlies. So yeah,

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all the things that we said about
Glacier in that episode apply in this one.

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The higher elevation trails can be covered
in snow until late June, and

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snow may begin to accumulate again in
mid October. Although there are less people

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in spring and fall, wildlife are
more active, which can be both a

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good and a bad thing. We're
gonna take a hot second to talk about

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all the cool animals like Glacier has. So Glacier's home to seventy one species

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of mammals, which includes, of
course, the grizzly, bighorn sheep,

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links, mountain goats, pikas,
and wolverines and Glacier slash. Montana in

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general is home to the densest population
of wolverines in the lower forty eight,

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with fifty individuals documented at one time, which is a lot because wolverine is

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a lot of space really, so
yeah mm hmm. It's home to six

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species of amphibians, four frogs,
one toad, one salamander. There are

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two hundred and sixty species of birds, including golden eagles, Clark's nutcracker,

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and ptarmigans. There are only three
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the park, which includes the garter
snake, the western painted turtle, and

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a few sightings of the rubber boa. There's like not a lot of lizards

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or insects or anything like because it's
so gosh dang cold. Yeah, it's

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pretty hard, yeah, exactly,
but garters can live anywhere. I'm convinced.

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We covered, like I said,
a bare attack story in Glacier before

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with the Otter family grizzly attack.
But let's go over some stats again on

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grizzly attacks. On average, there
are only one or two non lethal quote

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attacks in Glacier per year. And
we've talked about this word attack before too,

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Like this could just mean a negative
encounter like someone brushing up at the

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grizzly or yeah, grizzly like mauling
somebody. What it's so dumb. Yeah,

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you and I have talked about it, like, to us, attack

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means like intentional in the animal's part
and the human didn't necessarily cause it.

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Right, Yeah, But like even
if, like you you're like sitting a

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campire or something and a bear comes
up and like like scratch your leg,

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like just kind of seeing what's around, is that an attack? It depends

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on who you ask, right,
exactly. Yeah, So that word's a

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little iafy. But there have been
ten bear related deaths in the park since

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nineteen sixty seven, and only three
of those were hikers, two of which

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were solo hikers. And how many
of them are going to be in this

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episode you don't know. Now,
we'll get to the story once again.

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This is a very famous story and
it actually changed how national parks and of

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course specifically Glacier managed bears. That
being said, we are going to try

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to remain as judgment free as we
can, and I encourage everyone to do

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the same. Because this story takes
place in nineteen six seven. This bears

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were not being managed in Glacier at
least period, so they didn't have the

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kind of knowledge that we have now. So people were stupider back in the

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day, is what you're saying.
Remember how you said judgment free. Oh

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yeah, yeah, so people are
less intelligent. People did not know how

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to exist around bears properly. No, I actually I'm giving you shit,

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but that makes tense sense. Like
they don't have a thousand TV channels to

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go watch when they're fourteen years old, like now, it's yeah, they're

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not going to be as well first, and really random things like interacting with

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bears, Like really, when you're
gonna need that on normal day? Not

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that often, but really good to
fucking notes in case. Yeah, and

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of course we're talking about like classically
white people like Native Americans in the area

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obviously knew what the hell to do
around bears. Yeah, that's very good

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distinction. Yeah, and we'll get
into that in this story actually, which

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is good. Yay. So also, like a lot of the story sucks.

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This might be the first time that
I actually cry telling a story.

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Oh no, I know, yeah
I almost cried in the last one talking

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about Simon who was killed by the
rattlesnake. But yeah, this one's pretty

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rough. But this did change things
for the better, and the parks did

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have a very strong reaction after this, so which like they should, and

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it was their fault for something to
be so terrible. It's good, Like

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I'm genuinely concerned. Yeah, all
right. Like I said, there's a

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lot of build up and a lot
of players in this story, so please

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bear with me, okay, ok
I gotta get the jokes in where I

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can that you don't. But thank
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So the summer of nineteen sixty seven
was an incredibly hot and dry summer,

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and it was the busiest Glacier National
Park had ever seen. Along with a

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record number of tourists, the park
was also battling forest fires. Most of

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the park's staff were preoccupied with battling
the fires at this time, so only

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a handful of rangers were left to
keep track of Taurus, let alone try

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to keep track of the bears.
The specific problem areas where Trout Lake and

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Granite Park, which were eight miles
apart and separated by the Livingston Mountain Range,

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and right between them was an ice
capped nine thousand foot mountain called Heaven's

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Peak. So they're far apart.
This is point two very different areas.

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Yep. Specifically, in this summer, there was one old, starving female

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grizzly that had been raiding a group
of family held cabins called Kelly's Cabin,

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which were near Trout Lake, and
the residence there had made multiple reports of

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the rangers about her throughout the summer, and the bear was known to have

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no fear of humans. The Granite
Park Chalet was within Granite Park and it

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is now a historical landmark where hikers
can spend the night. It's located off

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the Highland Trail along the garden wall
and below. The chalet was a camping

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area. So we've got Trout Lake
with Kelly's Camps near there, that bear

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that's bothering them, and then we
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which is like a lodge for hikers. Okay, So this summer,

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rangers were receiving reports that there was
heightened bear activity at the Granite Park Chalet

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as well, and moreover, that
bears were eating being left behind garbage,

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despite the park's incinerator, which was
intended to lessen the amount of garbage being

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left out. However, the incinerator
did not account for the amount of people

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that would be visiting this summer,
so it didn't do a whole lot.

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Early in August of the summer of
sixty seven, Francis Elmore, the park's

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chief naturalist, was guiding AJ Taylor, who was the brother in law of

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President Lyndon Johnson, to the Granite
Park chalet during a visit to the park.

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They reached the chalet just in time
for the biggest attraction, the grizzlies.

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There were around sixty other people waiting
to see the bears, and AJ

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Taylor grew increasingly nervous about so many
bears gathering so close to the chalet.

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He even asked one of the rangers
if they had guns, and they firmly

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told him that guns were absolutely not
allowed in the park. He later remarked

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he was quote indignant because he thought
quote the park people were so dedicated to

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preserving the wildlife that they weren't protecting
the people end quote. Yeah, we've

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brought that up before, m hm, and that at any point, quote

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a bear could have gone berserk and
massacred everyone there and showing it is so

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it was a joke, as don't
worry, there's a lot of build up,

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we'll get to it. That's imagine. I was like, that's it.

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Everyone there died right away. That's
it. Everyone died that's it,

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but the rest of my notes are
just a rant. So as they were

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watching a silver tipped male grizzly eat
the garbage, they heard movement coming up

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the trail and assumed it was another
bear, until they realized that what they

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were hearing were bear bells and it
was actually two young men hiking towards the

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chalet. One of the rangers yelled
at the boys to walk through the brush

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directly towards the chalet to avoid the
big mail, and when the boys made

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it to the chalet, they remarked
that they were going to camp beneath it

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that night, like beneath the chalet
at the campground, but had encountered another

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grizzly farther down the trail that spooked
them, so they were able to spend

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the night at the chalet instead,
despite it being full of Yeah, well,

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I feel like when I say chalet, like, in my mind it

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was so nice. And then I
watched the PBS documentary and I was like,

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oh, it's just like a log
cabin and people slept on the floor.

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Aw so okay, yeah, I'm
also and you had like this big,

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elegant fight. No, definitely not
Trout Lake was also extremely busy,

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as busy as Granite Park, except
there was no chalet for the hikers to

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hide in. Because the summer was
so busy, trash was scattered all over

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the shore, The campsites were full, and all the trail registers were so

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jammed full of complaints about the situation
that no one else could actually write in

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the trail register and many people were
left to camp out in the open.

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On August eighth, nineteen sixty seven, Jerry Chase and his wife Sharon let

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a girl Scout troop of six from
Kallispell, Montana, into the area for

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a three day camping trip. The
Chases used their small gray pony Sage to

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haul a majority of the gear.
When they got to the trail registered,

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they noticed that a majority of them
mentioned bears, but they were seasoned hikers

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and Jerry was a big game hunter, not like African big game, like

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elk and other North American things.
That's great. Did he have a gun

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on him like at this moment?
No, because they weren't allowed in the

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park, so initially they weren't nervous. However, their nerves quickly caught up

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to them as they arrived at the
campsite and saw tin can's bit and in

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half, shredded packs, canned vegetables
punctured and left behind, and tattered clothing

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left behind. It's a scary sight. Yeah. Keep in mind these were

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also pre pack in and pack out
days, so people weren't conscious of the

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dangers of leaving behind tra People just
like leaving their shit there. So this

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could just be like a trash camp
that isn't like someone's got to like the

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piece, yes, correct, yep? Okay, yeah, so the chases

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were veterans at Glacier National Park specifically, but they had never seen such obvious

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signs of bear activity, especially in
camping areas. So like, obviously the

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things being bitten in half were from
bears. Enough people, good indicator.

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Yep. They noted to one another
to keep an eye out for the bears,

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but they didn't share their concerns with
the girls. Obviously. This group

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tied up their provisions and hoisted it
high into a tree, which is the

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correct thing to do out of breach
to the bears. Yep, so we

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have a lot of that, which
is nice. Like people knew at least

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that much. That night they popped
corn over the fire, but burned,

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some so badly beyond the point of
being edible, so they left the charred

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bits on the Ah, that sucks. We've all done that, some chiffy

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poppa with fire. Oh yeah,
I do it every gosh dang time,

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mic wave. I don't know if
I've ever successfully done it. Yeah,

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there you go. So the girls
went to bed and sleeping bags under the

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sky, and the Chases slept little
ways away with the horse sage tied horse

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and glacier by the way. Yeah, yeah, me too. Also Sage

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adorable name, great name. Also, I don't know why it shocked me

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so much. But like everyone in
this story, when I say they're camping,

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they're literally just sleeping bag on the
ground. No. Ten, No

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one in the story is yeh title
bitches nowadays, back in the good old

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days, they they did it rough, all right, Well there's reason they

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don't know. Sorry, No,
I think it was better back then,

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Ashley, come on, everything was
better that night. Jerry remarked that there

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had never actually you know what,
No, I'm not gonna get into it,

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but what was going on? You
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sixties apparently, like there were more
young people than ever, like the young

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people outnumbered any other age group in
the population. It's because a lot of

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the last generation got killed in World
War Two. But yeah, yeah,

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and there was a lot of racial
injustice and like talks about that. Like

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no, yeah, Vietnam obviously was
happening, so it wasn't the good old

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days. No, it's terrible sarcasm, okay, good just checking that night,

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Jerry remarked that there had never been
a death in Glacier from a grizzly

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and the last bad move yep,
and the last serious injury had been four

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to five years before. So he
was an algebra teacher and normally like the

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statistics would comfort him, but for
some reason they did not on this night.

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In the morning, one of the
girls in the troupe, Karen,

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asked if someone had gotten up in
the middle of the night to go to

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the bathroom, because if so,
they had stepped on her foot. After

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asking one by one, Sharon the
parent like the mother. No, she

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wasn't a mom, she was just
the adult female in the group. Sharon

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came to find that no one had
gotten up in the night, and immediately

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the girls concluded that a bear had
stepped on Karen's foot. Also the charred

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popcorn. The popcorn is one thing, but like lying about stepping on someone's

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foot and blaming it on a bear
is a total like little girl thing to

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do. Oh for sure, I
would absolutely do that. Yeah, yep,

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but the popcorn being gone like it's
a bear, Like, I'll accept

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it. I was gonna go on
a rant. But we're good, Okay,

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I'm so glad. So some of
the girls went fishing that day,

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but others were too afraid to adventure
out. By three pm, all the

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girls were at the camp and decided
that they were done camping near Trout Lake

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and once they finished their early steak
dinner, they would hike back out of

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glacier because they just decided. They're
like, I'm good. They were like,

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we it's not worth it because option
Karen got stepped fucking wild back then

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dude, so got quit. Once
stakes were done, the girls began assembling

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their packs. One of the girls
named Pat was tasked with getting the provisions

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hanging from the tree down, but
it was stuck, so she climbed her

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way up the tree and unjammed the
knot, then said, okay, bear,

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I'm ready for you now. Ooh
ooh, someone on the ground said

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very funny, and as the knot
was undone, Pat slid down the tree

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and as soon as she hit the
ground, she pointed a shaking hand towards

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stage the pony and yelled down.
Oh my god. Jerry started a scold

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Pat for joking about the bear,
when out of the corner of his eye

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he saw something brown. You guys
are yelling at without even looking. Yeah,

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go men, Oh he's the least
terrible man this story, let me

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tell you, Oh god, because
for ten minutes probably Yeah, he turned

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to see a grizzly with a silver
tip mane creeping towards the sleeping horse.

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Sage very quickly woke up and took
off to the very end of her line

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towards the lake, and the grizzly
ran after her. As soon as it

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got close, Sage side stepped it
and then ran to the other end of

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the line, which was twenty eight
feet. So she like juped this bear

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out, which is very good.
Yeah, sick ye, So the grizzly

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actually stopped at her saddle blanket instead
of pursuing her, and the group took

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off up the hill. After about
thirty to forty feet the group stopped and

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Charon initially told the girls to climb
a tree, but not all of them

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could climb, and the trees in
the area were not great for climbing,

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so they just kept going off the
trail. Jerry ran back to stage and

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the grizzly was going through the food, scrapped and tearing apart everyone's packs,

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and one of the packs was a
glass jar of jelly, and the bear

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just swallowed it. Home baller.
The girls were above the bearer on the

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trail now and growing a patient.
One girl threw a rock at the base.

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The little girl suck or are the
best because the grizzly didn't do anything,

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so the whole group started just pelting
rocks at it. You're kidding me,

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Hey, what are you gonna do? So Jerry grabbed a lart like

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a very bad like spoof movie script. By the way, so far like

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the fact this is real is very
interesting to me. Yeah, it's about

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to get crazier because Jerry grabbed a
large rock, crept up to the bear

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and threw it at the bear's ribs. But the bear did not stop eating.

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No shit, No, I think
that's pretty crazy. I would assume

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that a bear being jabbed in the
ribs of the rock would be like,

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hey, you know, but they're
just not they have so much muscle.

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Yeah, and like if the guy
is strong to pick up this rock,

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I don't think it's gonna be way
anything to a bear. So the bear

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didn't actually stop until Sharon managed to
chuck a rock and hit the bear square

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in the nose. How close are
they to this fucking thing? By the

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way, So Sharon and the girls
are like up above the bear, like

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on a ledge, like considerable distance
away, but Jerry is much closer obviously.

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Well, yeah, Jerry just smacked
it with a rock, so like

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literally try to beat its head.
Okay, beat it's ribs in. Yeah,

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I don't know why he's so close. I'm just I'm jumping ahead.

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I mean you could also untie her
and just like walk away because I'm piny.

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The bear just doesn't care about you, dude. So they're very simple

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thing is to just leave. There
are far more things to get upset about

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in the story. You just fucking
wait. So the bear took off,

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momentarily pawing at its face, but
just as soon as it took off,

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it came right back and this time
it headed right up the trail towards the

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girls. Oh no way. Jerry
told the girls to circle back to the

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camp and to get the rest of
their stuff, and he would hold off

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the bear with all the rocks he
gathered in his hands. I'm only laughing

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because you're getting so upset. It's
just so dumb. So he stood between

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the girls and the bear and began
throwing stones at it. They did this

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kind of dance for a while,
where Jerry would hit the bear and had

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the bear running off up the trail
away from the camp and the girls,

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and the bear would come back at
him. Jerry would back off, and

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then he'd scare the bear away again. This lasted for a while until the

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bear just full on charged Jerry.
Jerry stood his ground and kept pelting rocks,

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but in the last few moments decided
to turn and run towards the camp.

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When he got back, he saw
the bear disappear into the brush.

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Relieved, he announced the group that
the bear was gone and through a saddle

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on sage and got ready to go. Here he comes again. Sharon shouted,

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and the bear appeared on the trail. She said she'd hold him off

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while Jerry tied the supplies to sage. She walked up to the bear and

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threw another rock. I don't know
what walked up to means like, I

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don't know how close this is.
I really my mind is like ten feet.

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Yeah, they're going right up to
this thing. Like I got full

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velocity on this fastball to really scare
him away. Yeah, eighty fucking rocks.

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You threw it, decide, really
did the job so so Weirdly,

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after she threw this rock, the
bear looked around and then lied down on

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the trail and rested its head on
its paws and just watched it. He

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was talking, shit, maybe that's
his way of talking. She's like,

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this is really that's all you got. Like I'm just going to bed,

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like I'm gonna get you all whenever
I want. So. Sharon and the

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girls took off, and Jerry did
his best to guide the freaking out horse

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after them. Once everyone had exited
the campsite, the bear got up and

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went back to just rummaging through the
food. One of the girls took a

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second to pull out her Kodak camera
and snap a picture of the bear.

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They all lived. Spoiler, Oh
yeah, I know you got all worked

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up for nothing. So they whatever
they did worked clearly. Oh I don't

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think that's how we're gonna that's not
the message. No, that's not the

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message here, all right. Cool, So they decided not to report this

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issue to rangers. Jerry said,
I wish people could see these people are

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just so dumb. Well, Jerry
said, we'd just be telling them a

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teacher. He's a teacher, he
said, he is molding the minds of

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our parents. This makes so much
sense now, he said, we'd just

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be telling them something they already know. On account of the trail registers full

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of bear complaints. If all the
complaints are like this, like this place

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had a lot of fucking issues,
well, yeah, I mean think about

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at the beginning, I said,
there was that one problem bear at Trout

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Lake that they'd been reporting all summer. She had been harassing other hikers and

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stuff in similar ways, and they
just weren't doing anything about it. Okay,

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yes, but like nowadays they ask
you to report now any setting of

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a bear ever, like if you
just see it out in the woods,

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like go go report that. I'm
assuming the reports are coming in are like,

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oh, it knocked over a trash, can it was eating a fucking

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McDonald's hamburger somewhere like sure, shit
like that, not just like attacking people,

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like to go full blown that getting
hit by rocks and shit. Yeah.

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So the girl who had taken the
picture of the bear took her picture

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to the Daily Interlight, which was
a newspaper in Kallis Bell, Montana,

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and that Thursday, August tenth,
the trout Lake Bear was on page one

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of the paper, also Today's August
tenth A shit. Yes, I specifically

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saved this story until it was almost
the anniversary of it. Oh yeah,

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cool, I like that. Yeah, you're welcome. So the trout Lake

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Bear was on page one of the
paper, and this was not the first

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time that problem bears and Glacier were
being written about the Rangers' response to this

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dangerous situation that was building. They
were busy with the fires, but they'd

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see what could be done. I
mean, the fires are a big deal.

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So I don't want to that's fair, absolutely, I don't. I

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don't want to go after Room yet. Well they probably deserve it, but

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we're gonna hold off. Okay.
It should also be noted that on August

406
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eleventh, the next day, there
was an incredible lightning storm that set a

407
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lot of the park on fire,
So the rangers were super busy. That's

408
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problem. Now we'll get to Saturday, August twelfth. Joan Devereux, aged

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twenty two, who was just out
of college with a botany degree, was

410
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a naturalist glacier, and on this
day she was leading an overnight hike on

411
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the high Line trail from the Logan
Pass to the Granite Park. Shelt I

412
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would also like to point out that
this summer, Joan said, was the

413
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first time multiple women were hired onto
the park staff. She's going to slip

414
00:27:11,559 --> 00:27:15,480
that right in there. You can
interpret it how you like. What was

415
00:27:15,519 --> 00:27:19,079
the year again, nineteen sixty seven? Checks better not be a bad story

416
00:27:19,160 --> 00:27:22,359
or what you mean. I mean
if people get attacked and it's the first

417
00:27:22,440 --> 00:27:25,880
year that women were on the staff, Oh my god. Yeah, the

418
00:27:25,880 --> 00:27:29,799
bears were like fuck these women,
like you smell that menstrual blood. Wow.

419
00:27:30,200 --> 00:27:32,559
You know that's the thing that some
people think is a problem, Like

420
00:27:32,599 --> 00:27:34,559
some people are. I thought it
was a thing in the office, wasn't

421
00:27:34,559 --> 00:27:37,960
It was not a joke in the
office, Oh, I think so.

422
00:27:37,079 --> 00:27:40,559
Yeah. I mean it's also people
think that like if you're on your period,

423
00:27:40,599 --> 00:27:42,519
it'll attract sharks in the water,
which is not true. Anyways.

424
00:27:42,680 --> 00:27:45,599
I'm not an expert on peerier blood
or sharks, so what no way,

425
00:27:45,720 --> 00:27:49,519
I know shocking. Joan had never
done this tour before, but most of

426
00:27:49,519 --> 00:27:53,240
the other skilled rangers who in the
book he just said. The men were

427
00:27:53,279 --> 00:27:57,079
off fighting the fires, including dealing
with an electrical storm that had happened the

428
00:27:57,160 --> 00:28:00,000
night before, which is the one
that I mentioned. But they called it

429
00:28:00,039 --> 00:28:03,559
an electrical storm in the book,
which I think is cool in a better

430
00:28:03,559 --> 00:28:06,920
way of saying a lightning storm.
I'm sure this guy knows how to fluff

431
00:28:06,920 --> 00:28:08,440
it up a bit. There's a
lot of fluff. The group that Joan

432
00:28:08,519 --> 00:28:11,720
was leading total thirty six people and
had a wide range of ages, with

433
00:28:11,759 --> 00:28:15,079
the oldest woman being in her sixties
and the youngest being a nine month old

434
00:28:15,279 --> 00:28:19,880
secured to his dad's chest. How
long is this hike a while? Like

435
00:28:21,039 --> 00:28:23,799
overnight or well they're going like they're
hiking to the chalet to spend the night

436
00:28:23,839 --> 00:28:27,279
at the Chalet's good day. I
had a nine year nine month will be

437
00:28:27,279 --> 00:28:30,799
in there. That's fine. You're
not a fan of that. Well he's

438
00:28:30,839 --> 00:28:33,240
old now, he's like your parents'
age. Oh see he made it,

439
00:28:33,279 --> 00:28:40,279
Okay, he's probably yeah, or
she was warm my parents, they'd be

440
00:28:40,319 --> 00:28:44,720
whack wild. So the trail was
full of berries of varying species, and

441
00:28:44,759 --> 00:28:47,440
Joona assured the hikers that although there
was a ton of natural food here,

442
00:28:47,559 --> 00:28:49,279
they were still so close to the
going to the Sun road and bears had

443
00:28:49,279 --> 00:28:52,480
never been spotted in this spot.
Also, this was a trail that I

444
00:28:52,599 --> 00:28:57,000
hiked in Glacier Oh no shit.
And as I was hiking it with my

445
00:28:57,039 --> 00:29:00,720
family, someone passes on the trail
and we said, hey, what's up

446
00:29:00,759 --> 00:29:03,720
and he was like, oh,
there's a grizzly up there. So just

447
00:29:03,759 --> 00:29:07,960
saying, bears there. They still
hang out, no matter how close the

448
00:29:07,039 --> 00:29:11,240
road you are, they're still there. So others in the group began joking

449
00:29:11,240 --> 00:29:15,920
about bears, but Joan was very
nervous. She and the other natural set

450
00:29:15,000 --> 00:29:18,240
the park were very concerned about the
blatant bear feedings that were happening at the

451
00:29:18,240 --> 00:29:22,000
Grandite Park Chalet, and she was
nervous about seeing it firsthand. So I

452
00:29:22,039 --> 00:29:26,640
had told you earlier how trash like
the bears were eating trash. Yep,

453
00:29:26,720 --> 00:29:30,279
it's a giant garbage pit that they
were putting there, so it was just

454
00:29:30,319 --> 00:29:33,279
like a dump or its just like
yeah, basically, which is a big

455
00:29:33,319 --> 00:29:37,000
pile of trash. Yeah, behind
the chalet. That's that's how they dealt

456
00:29:37,039 --> 00:29:40,839
with their trash. Just pilot up. Yeah, and you'll soon understand why.

457
00:29:40,960 --> 00:29:44,799
So this place is not elegant at
all. No, no, I

458
00:29:44,799 --> 00:29:47,559
had a very different idea of what
it is. Yeah. By one thirty,

459
00:29:47,559 --> 00:29:49,359
the group had reached the chalet.
They were to take a short rest

460
00:29:49,359 --> 00:29:52,160
and then hike to the Grenelle overlook. As the group took a rest at

461
00:29:52,200 --> 00:29:55,880
the chalet, Joan was by the
door when a young couple approached her and

462
00:29:55,880 --> 00:29:59,960
asked where the overnight camping was.
Their last name was Clymb. She pointed

463
00:30:00,160 --> 00:30:03,440
down the hill and asked if they
brought their quote grizzly repellent and said that

464
00:30:03,440 --> 00:30:06,359
there were grizzlies in the area,
but people were still camping in the area,

465
00:30:06,400 --> 00:30:08,039
so that they'd be okay to do
the same. Shortly after, a

466
00:30:08,039 --> 00:30:11,720
little girl burstened the room and announced
they're here. Joan tried to calmly tell

467
00:30:11,720 --> 00:30:15,359
the group where to watch the bears
safely, but no one really listened to

468
00:30:15,400 --> 00:30:17,720
her, and they all elbowed past
her. To the balcony to watch the

469
00:30:17,720 --> 00:30:22,200
bears. This time it was a
young, silver tipped grizzly. Unlike everyone

470
00:30:22,200 --> 00:30:25,480
else, Joan was not excited.
She and the other naturalists agreed that this

471
00:30:25,640 --> 00:30:29,279
was a disaster waiting to happen,
especially as some people left the balcony to

472
00:30:29,319 --> 00:30:32,960
get closer to the bear. Nice. So there are some other people at

473
00:30:32,960 --> 00:30:37,359
the chalet that we need to introduce
because they are important characters. But you'll

474
00:30:37,440 --> 00:30:41,720
understand why later. So the first
one is doctor Oldgeared Lindon, who was

475
00:30:41,720 --> 00:30:45,920
staying at the chalet in August twelfth
with his son Nick. Hey, what

476
00:30:45,039 --> 00:30:48,680
up, it's not you. Wow. Doctor Linden was an associate professor of

477
00:30:48,720 --> 00:30:55,079
medicine at Western Reserve University in Cleveland. Was born in Latvia and was overall

478
00:30:55,279 --> 00:30:57,400
a baller. Fuck yeah. He
had been a doctor in Africa, had

479
00:30:57,440 --> 00:31:02,599
lived in Russia, Poland, and
England, crossed the Sahara Desert, and

480
00:31:02,759 --> 00:31:07,079
once walked from the southeast corner of
France across Andorra in Spain and into Portugal

481
00:31:07,160 --> 00:31:12,359
to escape the Nazis. Damn,
yeah, I like this guy. Yeah.

482
00:31:12,400 --> 00:31:15,440
It was noted a lot in the
book that people couldn't really understand him

483
00:31:15,480 --> 00:31:18,960
because he had lived in all of
these places, so his accent was like

484
00:31:19,000 --> 00:31:22,200
a little bit from each of these
places. So he just he's like his

485
00:31:22,279 --> 00:31:26,440
own human pretty much. Yeah,
which, like I said, he's bothered.

486
00:31:26,680 --> 00:31:29,319
I like it. Please tell me, like goes on nick arm wrestles

487
00:31:29,359 --> 00:31:32,839
the bear or something like that.
Oh sorry, puts in her rear naked

488
00:31:32,920 --> 00:31:38,279
chocold No sorry, does he get
eaten? Just listen, god oh man.

489
00:31:38,359 --> 00:31:41,279
There were also two men in a
hike there together, but kept themselves

490
00:31:41,319 --> 00:31:45,920
and did not participate in oogling at
the bears. There was thirty eight year

491
00:31:45,920 --> 00:31:49,240
old Reverend Thomas Connolly and Steve Pierre, who is a Native American from Kalispell.

492
00:31:49,839 --> 00:31:53,720
Everyone in the book and in the
documentary call him an Indian. He

493
00:31:53,920 --> 00:31:59,599
I never heard him. Spoiler he's
in the documentary the PBS one. He

494
00:31:59,640 --> 00:32:02,279
doesn't himself an Indian. So I'm
just gonna keep saying Native American, because

495
00:32:02,359 --> 00:32:06,920
what if he's from the country of
India. He's not. He's Native American.

496
00:32:07,599 --> 00:32:09,160
Did he say his Native American.
We'll get into it, but yes,

497
00:32:09,200 --> 00:32:13,759
it it becomes very clear that he
is the Native Clear he doesn't say

498
00:32:13,799 --> 00:32:17,599
it, So shut up. Listen. They had hiked all day long and

499
00:32:17,640 --> 00:32:21,319
came to get dinner and sleep on
the floor of the chalet. Thomas worked

500
00:32:21,359 --> 00:32:25,160
at the Indian Community Center in Spokane
with impoverished Native Americans, and Steve worked

501
00:32:25,160 --> 00:32:28,960
there as a counselor. There is
that good for you? Oh? Yeah

502
00:32:29,799 --> 00:32:32,000
cool. When someone had shadowed that
the bears had arrived, these two stayed

503
00:32:32,039 --> 00:32:35,440
to finish their meal. When they
were done, they wandered out to the

504
00:32:35,480 --> 00:32:37,759
balcony to see the fuss, and
they saw a big grizzly eating trash.

505
00:32:38,319 --> 00:32:43,240
Angrily. Steve said, those crazy
white people. They don't know anything about

506
00:32:43,319 --> 00:32:46,119
bears. They don't know what they're
doing. Thomas was also bothered by this

507
00:32:46,200 --> 00:32:50,599
grizzly behavior. I like these guys. Yep, they're great. Doctor John

508
00:32:50,680 --> 00:32:53,119
Lipinski, a surgeon, was also
at the chalet this night with his wife,

509
00:32:53,119 --> 00:32:57,519
who was a nurse, and their
sixteen year old daughter, Teres,

510
00:32:57,880 --> 00:33:01,279
and their four and five year old
adopted Before bed, Terese told her parents

511
00:33:01,319 --> 00:33:05,240
that she had asked a shllet employee
earlier in the night about the bears and

512
00:33:05,240 --> 00:33:07,559
where they came from. The employee
told her that the bears came to eat

513
00:33:07,559 --> 00:33:12,160
the garbage that they put out,
and when Teresa asked if this was dangerous,

514
00:33:12,359 --> 00:33:15,440
the employee told her that, quote, the people come up here to

515
00:33:15,440 --> 00:33:17,960
see the grizzlies and we have to
show them some it means good advertising,

516
00:33:19,000 --> 00:33:22,160
I guess not for all. No, this is so stupid. You're in

517
00:33:22,240 --> 00:33:28,119
Glacier, They're everywhere. So this
wasn't too odd to doctor Lipinski because years

518
00:33:28,119 --> 00:33:30,279
before he had hiked into Yellowstone to
see grizzlies that were being fed and was

519
00:33:30,319 --> 00:33:34,640
awoken one night by rangers shooting the
bears that had lost their fear of people.

520
00:33:34,920 --> 00:33:37,680
So good, good, good,
this is this is awesome. Yeah.

521
00:33:37,680 --> 00:33:39,359
I think we've talked before, right, how bears used to be like

522
00:33:39,519 --> 00:33:44,400
legitimately fed as like a show in
national parks. I don't know if we

523
00:33:44,480 --> 00:33:47,519
have actually maybe it's come up once
or twice, maybe se briefly maybe.

524
00:33:47,640 --> 00:33:52,799
Yeah, yeah, that's the thing
they used to have, like literally like

525
00:33:52,880 --> 00:33:57,519
shadium steading stadium seating where you could
watch Yeah, ridiculous, I just watched

526
00:33:57,640 --> 00:34:04,640
wild animals get food. Yep.
He So doctor Lipinski assumed that like Yellowstone,

527
00:34:04,759 --> 00:34:07,039
any bear here in Glacier that had
lost its fear of people would be

528
00:34:07,039 --> 00:34:10,639
shot to Anne, the mother,
however, was not convinced that this was

529
00:34:10,679 --> 00:34:15,199
safe. She was brought up in
a Polish section of Chicago and was convinced

530
00:34:15,199 --> 00:34:17,000
that anything as big as a grizzly
was dangerous and deadly, no matter what.

531
00:34:17,199 --> 00:34:21,360
Be like. Anne. Yeah.
Meanwhile, twenty three year old Robert

532
00:34:21,360 --> 00:34:23,679
and Janet Kleine were asking about sleeping
on the floor of the chalet. They

533
00:34:23,679 --> 00:34:28,559
had been in an argument earlier about
camping outside multiple times that their hike on

534
00:34:28,599 --> 00:34:30,360
this day, other groups asked them
if they'd heard about the grizzlies and if

535
00:34:30,360 --> 00:34:35,199
they'd be sleeping outside. Robert was
not convinced that the bears were big enough

536
00:34:35,199 --> 00:34:37,199
of the threat to ruin their plans, but Janet, who was a foot

537
00:34:37,239 --> 00:34:40,880
shorter than her husband and barely one
hundred pounds, said that Robert could sleep

538
00:34:40,920 --> 00:34:45,119
outside all he wanted, but she
was staying at the chalet. And it

539
00:34:45,159 --> 00:34:47,159
wasn't until Joan had said something to
them that Robert agreed to stay at the

540
00:34:47,199 --> 00:34:50,880
chalet as well. But the man
running the chalet said to be twenty five

541
00:34:50,920 --> 00:34:53,199
dollars to sleep on the floor and
for three meals. I mean that is

542
00:34:53,239 --> 00:34:59,199
a lot, is it? To
not be eaten? Okay. When Robert

543
00:34:59,239 --> 00:35:01,000
pushed back in the prey, the
man said he couldn't make exceptions for anyone

544
00:35:01,079 --> 00:35:05,239
and that people had been camping outside
all summer and quote no one had been

545
00:35:05,320 --> 00:35:07,480
eaten yet. I really hate when
they do stuff like this, But hey,

546
00:35:07,559 --> 00:35:12,480
let's just jinx it, yeah,
right, like knock on some wood

547
00:35:12,519 --> 00:35:15,800
or something like that. Just bad
ideas. The men laughed, but Janet

548
00:35:15,800 --> 00:35:19,440
was only further convinced that the money
sleep on the floor was worth it.

549
00:35:19,639 --> 00:35:22,840
Robert went on a short hike to
think it all over. Meanwhile, Janet

550
00:35:22,840 --> 00:35:25,639
met another hiker named Don Gullet from
California, and he said he'd sticked out

551
00:35:25,639 --> 00:35:29,679
a nice camping spot and wasn't worried
about the bears. He said it was

552
00:35:29,679 --> 00:35:32,199
several hundred yards from the campground,
right near the trail cabin, so when

553
00:35:32,280 --> 00:35:36,320
Robert got back, they all went
down to check it out. Janet began

554
00:35:36,360 --> 00:35:39,800
to doubt herself and wonder if she
was overreacting and quote ruining her husband's enjoyment.

555
00:35:40,079 --> 00:35:45,000
Women, don't do this. Don't
doubt yourself because of a man.

556
00:35:45,440 --> 00:35:47,719
Just assume that your gut is correct, because a lot of times it is

557
00:35:49,320 --> 00:35:52,039
just saying and don't get you by
bear. Yeah, well, if you

558
00:35:52,039 --> 00:35:55,079
listen to your gut, that could
happen so or that I'd be wrong and

559
00:35:55,119 --> 00:35:59,280
ruined your husband's night of hiking.
Yeah, and then you know nothing happen.

560
00:35:59,440 --> 00:36:02,880
Still not die? Its crazy right? Yes, it was a nice

561
00:36:02,880 --> 00:36:06,960
spot for sure, and the trail
cabin had criss cross wood on the sides

562
00:36:07,000 --> 00:36:09,599
that provided a kind of natural ladder
to a flat roof, so Don convinced

563
00:36:09,639 --> 00:36:12,880
them that they could get to the
roof in no time if they needed to

564
00:36:12,960 --> 00:36:15,280
escape a bear. She had it
approved and they all made camp about twenty

565
00:36:15,320 --> 00:36:17,960
feet from the cabin, with the
Clins on one side and Don on the

566
00:36:17,960 --> 00:36:22,599
other. The clein couple was prepared
to eat dinner when a teenage couple arrived

567
00:36:22,599 --> 00:36:24,639
and asked where the campground was.
Robert pointed to the left, and the

568
00:36:24,679 --> 00:36:29,639
boy, who was about eighteen years
old named Roy, asked why the three

569
00:36:29,679 --> 00:36:31,840
were camping here and not at the
campground. Janet told them it was because

570
00:36:31,840 --> 00:36:36,159
they were afraid of the bears.
Roy and his girlfriend Julie said that they

571
00:36:36,159 --> 00:36:38,360
were headed to the area where they
were developing a campground because the chalet was

572
00:36:38,400 --> 00:36:42,639
so full. After some chit chatting. Roy and Julie made their way to

573
00:36:42,639 --> 00:36:45,920
the campground, and the clients finished
their dinner, then took all their garbage

574
00:36:45,960 --> 00:36:49,199
to the chalet's trash cans. They
returned to their camp, hauled their provisions

575
00:36:49,239 --> 00:36:52,599
into a tree, got into their
sleeping bags, but before bed, they

576
00:36:52,639 --> 00:36:54,760
went over their plan on what to
do if the bears arrived. I like

577
00:36:54,920 --> 00:36:59,599
this, yeah, okay, they're
taking not necessary risk. Yeah, but

578
00:36:59,760 --> 00:37:02,719
there's yeah, yeah, all right, I'm back on board. I'm back

579
00:37:02,760 --> 00:37:06,800
on board. Good Okay, So
now let's get back to Roy Ducat and

580
00:37:06,840 --> 00:37:10,039
Julie Helgeson. Roy Ducat was a
bus boy for the summer at East Glacier

581
00:37:10,119 --> 00:37:15,119
Lodge and had grown up in Ohio. He was eighteen and a sophomore biology

582
00:37:15,119 --> 00:37:19,599
student. Julie Helgeson was from Minnesota, nineteen years old and a sophomore at

583
00:37:19,639 --> 00:37:22,760
the University of Minnesota. She'd been
there for two months in Glacier, working

584
00:37:22,760 --> 00:37:25,079
in the laundry room at East Glacier
Lodge. She had just said goodbye to

585
00:37:25,159 --> 00:37:28,400
her parents, who were visiting the
park for a few days, and this

586
00:37:28,559 --> 00:37:30,960
was her first overnight hike. She
had only recently met Roy, but they

587
00:37:30,960 --> 00:37:35,239
decided to do the hike together.
It was around eight pm when they reached

588
00:37:35,239 --> 00:37:37,639
the newly developing campground, which had
tables and signs strewn about but was not

589
00:37:37,719 --> 00:37:40,679
yet set up. Like I said
previously, they'd wanted to stay at the

590
00:37:40,719 --> 00:37:44,239
chalet, but it was full,
so they headed to this spot with some

591
00:37:44,280 --> 00:37:45,960
bag meals that they got from the
chalet. They had briefly heard about the

592
00:37:45,960 --> 00:37:50,000
bears being fed at the chalet,
but this spot was in the opposite direction

593
00:37:50,079 --> 00:37:52,760
from that, so they didn't really
think too much about the bears. When

594
00:37:52,800 --> 00:37:55,079
they finished their dinners, Roy stashed
their dinner remains under a log nearby.

595
00:37:55,760 --> 00:37:59,719
They slept in their clothes they had
hiked in, gotten their sleeping bags for

596
00:37:59,719 --> 00:38:01,760
the night, and talked a bit
until the sun set. Oh sounds like

597
00:38:01,800 --> 00:38:05,760
a nice night, yeah, I
will say. In the doc Couentry,

598
00:38:06,079 --> 00:38:07,880
one person says that they were like
the sweetest couple he had ever met in

599
00:38:07,920 --> 00:38:10,159
his life, and that they were
like the nicest people he'd ever met.

600
00:38:10,199 --> 00:38:14,320
I mean they just meet, yeah, but they were in love. It's

601
00:38:14,320 --> 00:38:19,840
so cute. Summer sixty seven,
baby. So on the same day,

602
00:38:19,840 --> 00:38:22,679
in a different part of glacier,
a group of young people and a puppy,

603
00:38:22,920 --> 00:38:29,079
a shepherd mixed named squirt It last
quir we're making their way to Trout

604
00:38:29,119 --> 00:38:32,800
Lake. There were five of them
if you include squirt. Yeah, it

605
00:38:32,920 --> 00:38:36,639
was gonna ask yeah. Oh,
I'm sorry. There were six of them

606
00:38:36,679 --> 00:38:38,679
if you include squirt Oh. Okay. So we're gonna refer to them as

607
00:38:38,719 --> 00:38:43,239
all sex from this point forward.
God, that's not what my notes say,

608
00:38:43,239 --> 00:38:45,800
but I'll try to remember that.
I'll correct you every time. Great.

609
00:38:45,280 --> 00:38:49,599
So, all the humans in this
group were concession employees at the park,

610
00:38:49,639 --> 00:38:52,079
and they were all seasoned hikers except
for one, sixteen year old Paul

611
00:38:52,199 --> 00:38:57,199
Dunn. He'd arrived three weeks earlier, visiting the park with his parents,

612
00:38:57,280 --> 00:38:59,559
and then took a job as a
bus boy, which I feel like is

613
00:38:59,559 --> 00:39:00,760
a wild thing to do, to
be like, I'm just gonna stay here.

614
00:39:00,920 --> 00:39:05,039
Bye. Mom. So, the
two couples of the group had asked

615
00:39:05,039 --> 00:39:07,679
Paul if he wanted to join their
overnight trip to Trout Lake, and he

616
00:39:07,719 --> 00:39:12,320
eagerly said yes. Paul had heard
nothing about the grizzly activity this summer,

617
00:39:12,400 --> 00:39:15,199
and hadn't even heard much about Trout
Lake because he was stationed on the other

618
00:39:15,239 --> 00:39:17,079
side of the park. He and
his parents had attended a ranger talk when

619
00:39:17,079 --> 00:39:21,039
he first arrived, but all he
remembered from it was ranger saying that a

620
00:39:21,079 --> 00:39:23,239
bear will not attack you if you
don't attack it, and to climb a

621
00:39:23,239 --> 00:39:27,920
tree if you see one, and
they also mentioned never take a dog on

622
00:39:27,960 --> 00:39:31,119
the trail. Dogs and bears do
not mix. Oh squirt, dang it.

623
00:39:31,360 --> 00:39:35,639
The couple had told Paul that dogs
were allowed in the park so long

624
00:39:35,679 --> 00:39:37,519
as they were on a leash under
control of their owners, but this was

625
00:39:37,559 --> 00:39:43,760
not true. Under no circumstances were
dogs allowed on trails, and that rule

626
00:39:43,840 --> 00:39:46,719
is still true today. Dang it. Twenty year old Denise Huckle made up

627
00:39:46,760 --> 00:39:51,360
one half of these couples, and
she had found Squirt abandoned at the park.

628
00:39:51,719 --> 00:39:54,239
What I know, Holy squirt.
Yeah, there's a picture here in

629
00:39:54,280 --> 00:39:58,519
the documentary. He's pretty cute.
I mean it's a German shapeer puppies,

630
00:39:58,559 --> 00:40:00,840
so are they all the best?
Correct? She had found a strong cord

631
00:40:01,000 --> 00:40:05,280
at Lake McDonald Lodge and used this
as a leash for the puppy. There

632
00:40:05,280 --> 00:40:09,280
were also Ray and Ron no Sek. Ray was twenty three, Ron was

633
00:40:09,320 --> 00:40:13,840
twenty one, and they were brothers
from Arizona. It is confusing that their

634
00:40:13,880 --> 00:40:15,519
names are very similar. I will
do my best to remind you who was

635
00:40:15,559 --> 00:40:20,119
who. That's pretty sick summer trip
though, Like go drive from Arizona up

636
00:40:20,159 --> 00:40:22,360
to Montana and go to the glacier
Like, it's pretty sick. Well,

637
00:40:22,480 --> 00:40:25,119
they were both attending dental school but
worked at the park for the summer.

638
00:40:25,599 --> 00:40:30,320
Oh that's so much cooler. Yeah, So basically like all the young people

639
00:40:30,360 --> 00:40:32,079
in this story, beside the Cleines, worked at the park. Oh cool.

640
00:40:32,280 --> 00:40:36,440
Ron was Denise's date for this trip, and Ray was the date of

641
00:40:36,519 --> 00:40:39,159
Michelle Coons, who was nineteen,
who was from San Diego, California.

642
00:40:39,400 --> 00:40:43,719
She was going to her second year
at California Western University, and she worked

643
00:40:43,719 --> 00:40:45,960
in the gift shop at the Lake
McDonald lodge, and her boss described her

644
00:40:46,000 --> 00:40:51,480
as quote a blessing because everyone loved
Michelle. It's really nice, a really

645
00:40:51,519 --> 00:40:53,280
cool. You know, everyone seems
like incredibly nice in this story. So

646
00:40:53,400 --> 00:40:58,079
far, I thought I was gonna
really hate them from no, my first

647
00:40:58,079 --> 00:41:00,360
of their names. So no,
this is all right. So Michelle had

648
00:41:00,360 --> 00:41:04,159
been in Trout Lake many times this
summer, and unlike Paul, was very

649
00:41:04,199 --> 00:41:08,280
aware of the dangers grizzly post grizzlies
post because she was very little and like

650
00:41:08,360 --> 00:41:13,679
me, was probably like afraid of
most things, actually maybe not. She

651
00:41:13,719 --> 00:41:16,280
camped out in the fucking woods under
the stars, and I can never do

652
00:41:16,320 --> 00:41:20,239
that. So you wouldn't do that
in New Hampshire, Like if it was

653
00:41:20,239 --> 00:41:22,280
like a nice night out, you
wouldn't just go sleep in a super bag.

654
00:41:22,800 --> 00:41:24,239
No, but just kis the mosquitoes. That's fair, thank you,

655
00:41:24,639 --> 00:41:29,480
that's fair. Yeah, So,
unlike Michelle, none of the other young

656
00:41:29,519 --> 00:41:32,280
people in the group were afraid of
bears. Around five pm, this group

657
00:41:32,320 --> 00:41:37,159
reached the log Jam campground, which
is the same campground that the Girl Scouts

658
00:41:37,159 --> 00:41:38,159
had been at a few days before. And let me just take a second

659
00:41:38,199 --> 00:41:42,840
to describe what I mean when I
say Logjam campground. So Trout Lake there

660
00:41:42,920 --> 00:41:46,760
was literally a log jam like logs
across the lake that bears used as basically

661
00:41:46,800 --> 00:41:52,760
a highway to traverse across. So
they camped near this logjam. That's it.

662
00:41:52,880 --> 00:41:54,280
She's a bad idea to be where
the bear's going to be. But

663
00:41:54,519 --> 00:41:58,119
I don't think at the time they
realized that the bears used it so frequently.

664
00:41:58,320 --> 00:42:01,239
Oh so, there were a couple
of fishermen president who told the group

665
00:42:01,280 --> 00:42:05,400
that the previous day they had been
treated for a couple hours by very aggressive

666
00:42:05,400 --> 00:42:08,280
grizzly, So there they found out
what the fuck? Yeah, but the

667
00:42:08,320 --> 00:42:10,840
young group thought that it was part
of the fun. They knew that no

668
00:42:10,880 --> 00:42:15,079
one had been killed by a grizzly
and assumed no one ever would be.

669
00:42:15,239 --> 00:42:19,800
Okay, that's a that's a bad
one. Yeah. They took a few

670
00:42:19,800 --> 00:42:22,559
minutes to set up their camp and
jammed all their food into a pack and

671
00:42:22,639 --> 00:42:24,559
hauled it into a tree. Then
they ran right to the lake to go

672
00:42:24,599 --> 00:42:29,400
fishing. Michelle stayed behind with Squirt
and continued to set up the camp for

673
00:42:29,400 --> 00:42:31,719
the next few hours. Michelle was
sitting on a tree stump as Paul cooked

674
00:42:31,719 --> 00:42:35,159
a trout he caught, and she
peered into the woods and saw a large

675
00:42:35,239 --> 00:42:38,719
dark form coming towards them. She
jumped up and yelled. Bare Ron unleashed

676
00:42:38,719 --> 00:42:42,519
Squirt and scooped him up in his
arms, and the group took off up

677
00:42:42,559 --> 00:42:45,159
the lake shore away from the campsite. They stopped fifty yards away as a

678
00:42:45,199 --> 00:42:49,719
scrawny grizzly wandered around their campsite and
ate all their food, then grabbed a

679
00:42:49,719 --> 00:42:52,880
pack and ran off. The bear
stayed for about fifteen to twenty minutes,

680
00:42:53,000 --> 00:42:57,239
tearing through their camp. The group
decided to give up on that campsite and

681
00:42:57,320 --> 00:43:01,400
began gathering wood for a new fire
with Squirt and Denise Arms. I would

682
00:43:01,440 --> 00:43:06,320
probably be out of there as soon
as possible, like once one bad interaction

683
00:43:06,400 --> 00:43:07,239
happens, like the fact these people
are like, oh, let's find a

684
00:43:07,239 --> 00:43:12,719
way to stay impressive in a way. Yeah, I agree. You would

685
00:43:12,719 --> 00:43:15,000
never catch me doing this. I
am way too afraid of things to be

686
00:43:15,119 --> 00:43:19,239
like, you know what, maybe
fifty feet away over here is fine,

687
00:43:19,320 --> 00:43:23,039
you know. Yeah, No,
it's just again really stupid. But I

688
00:43:23,119 --> 00:43:25,960
mean that's knowing what we know now. Maybe if it was back then and

689
00:43:27,039 --> 00:43:30,159
nothing bad it ever happened, we
might think something differently. But who knows,

690
00:43:30,360 --> 00:43:32,599
I guess. But like, no
one's been attacked by an orca whale

691
00:43:32,599 --> 00:43:36,199
in the wild. If I'm swimming
with an orca, I want to get

692
00:43:36,199 --> 00:43:38,000
the fuck out the water. Hey, that's not something that i'd be cool

693
00:43:38,039 --> 00:43:42,639
with. Recently, there have been
a lot of orcas sinking boats in Portugal.

694
00:43:42,679 --> 00:43:44,880
I'm gonna post a story on our
Facebook page. Keep an eye out.

695
00:43:44,960 --> 00:43:46,679
Oh shit, yeah, my mom, Oh they're definitely gonna kill somebody

696
00:43:46,960 --> 00:43:51,960
eventually, of course. Yeah,
yeah, yeah, it's just gonna happen

697
00:43:52,079 --> 00:43:54,400
yep. Anyways, so the grizz
they went off into the woods and the

698
00:43:54,400 --> 00:43:58,440
group debated their next move. It
was dark, so they throughout the idea

699
00:43:58,480 --> 00:44:00,920
of going to Lake McDonald Rangers day. They also thought about the Arrow Lake

700
00:44:01,000 --> 00:44:05,440
Shelter cabin, but that idea was
also quickly thrown out because it was already

701
00:44:05,440 --> 00:44:08,079
full of weekend campers and was two
miles away. So basically it was either

702
00:44:08,079 --> 00:44:10,440
a stay put or hike out in
the dark. I would hike out in

703
00:44:10,480 --> 00:44:14,639
the dark. I know it's not
risky modern day and ya, because they

704
00:44:14,679 --> 00:44:16,360
do want gps IS and the ship. But yeah, nothing. If you

705
00:44:16,519 --> 00:44:19,519
know how to read it, Matt, you can at least find a road

706
00:44:19,599 --> 00:44:22,119
or something. Maybe. So a
few minutes past with no bear siding again,

707
00:44:22,239 --> 00:44:25,000
so Paul and no Sex went to
grab their major their supplies from the

708
00:44:25,000 --> 00:44:28,360
old camp and bring them over to
their new site at the edge of the

709
00:44:28,400 --> 00:44:30,079
lake. To keep the bears away, they decided to keep the fire going

710
00:44:30,079 --> 00:44:34,119
all night and stacked a pile of
wood between them and their camp as a

711
00:44:34,199 --> 00:44:37,400
means to block themselves off from it. What pile can you make in a

712
00:44:37,480 --> 00:44:42,239
couple hours? Yeah, probably not
that big of a yeah. So they

713
00:44:42,320 --> 00:44:45,679
arranged their sleeping bags in a semicircle
and tried to sleep. Denise put the

714
00:44:45,719 --> 00:44:47,840
end of squirts leash around a log
next to the fire, and he slept

715
00:44:47,840 --> 00:44:52,960
between the log and her sleeping bag. Oh squirt. Now let's get back

716
00:44:52,000 --> 00:44:57,239
to Anne, the nurse and the
wife of surgeon doctor Lipinski. She had

717
00:44:57,280 --> 00:45:00,599
been awoken that night by a mouse
eating some of her husband's ca and like

718
00:45:00,639 --> 00:45:04,199
I said, they're at the chalet, so like, now it's nighttime at

719
00:45:04,239 --> 00:45:06,679
the Chileet as well. Yeah.
They put the candy in a waste basket

720
00:45:06,760 --> 00:45:09,079
on their porch, then tried to
go back to sleep. Anne was awoken

721
00:45:09,119 --> 00:45:13,519
again by what she thought was a
mouse nibbling on her foot, So she

722
00:45:13,599 --> 00:45:16,079
was like, I'm just gonna be
up and to sit here and be anxious

723
00:45:16,119 --> 00:45:21,639
for a while, which I respect. It was not long before she heard

724
00:45:21,679 --> 00:45:25,519
a woman scream outside from where she
assumed the outdoor bathroom was. That would

725
00:45:25,519 --> 00:45:30,159
be so fucking sketchy. This story
gets spooky. Oh fuck. She woke

726
00:45:30,199 --> 00:45:31,920
her husband said, John, there's
a lady in trouble. Did you hear

727
00:45:31,960 --> 00:45:36,880
that scream? And he responded with
why would a lady be screaming up here?

728
00:45:37,880 --> 00:45:39,440
Anne said she thought a woman was
in the bathroom and that someone was

729
00:45:39,440 --> 00:45:44,599
bothering her, and doctor Lipinski said, Ann, a lady wouldn't be screaming

730
00:45:44,639 --> 00:45:49,360
out here and went back to sleep. Not long after the first scream,

731
00:45:49,639 --> 00:45:53,719
Anne heard a second scream from the
same direction. She woke her husband again

732
00:45:53,800 --> 00:45:58,920
and he once again said she was
imagining things. She said she really thought

733
00:45:59,000 --> 00:46:01,960
someone was bothering woman bathroom, and
he responded with, quote, a man

734
00:46:02,039 --> 00:46:06,679
wouldn't bother a woman up here.
People just aren't like that around here.

735
00:46:07,199 --> 00:46:10,679
First of all, you're wrong.
Second, do not gaslight? And okay,

736
00:46:12,760 --> 00:46:16,360
An, this is really fucked.
This is fucked on like multiple levels.

737
00:46:16,440 --> 00:46:20,440
Yeah, it keeps getting there.
So Anne was certain that she had

738
00:46:20,480 --> 00:46:22,679
heard a woman scream, but put
her head on her pillow nonetheless, and

739
00:46:22,719 --> 00:46:27,840
began wondering how she'd convinced her husband
of the screams. Who the fuck cares

740
00:46:27,880 --> 00:46:30,920
go help? What is she?
But she's so terrified, She's like,

741
00:46:30,000 --> 00:46:32,679
I'm not gonna go up. You
go, you walk, you go find

742
00:46:32,679 --> 00:46:37,239
who's screaming. You don't have to
actively do anything. Just go find the

743
00:46:37,239 --> 00:46:42,320
person. Yeah, no one's asking
you go like shoot a guy, like

744
00:46:42,360 --> 00:46:45,079
you just have to go walk over
there and see what's happening so you can

745
00:46:45,079 --> 00:46:47,920
get other people if you need to. It's that simple. I would start

746
00:46:47,960 --> 00:46:52,400
screaming until someone responded to me,
to be quite honest, anyway, fuck.

747
00:46:54,159 --> 00:46:59,880
Then a third scream erupted, and
this one immediately got both Flapinski's to

748
00:47:00,039 --> 00:47:04,039
who their feet and out onto the
balcony. Oh God. From there they

749
00:47:04,079 --> 00:47:07,920
heard get out, get out,
get away from me. They then heard

750
00:47:07,000 --> 00:47:14,639
clearly, God help me, he's
stabbing me, and then silence, and

751
00:47:14,679 --> 00:47:20,960
then God helped me. Somebody helped
me. I is really fucking dumb.

752
00:47:21,679 --> 00:47:24,519
I think this is a good place
to stop, don't you. Ah No,

753
00:47:27,880 --> 00:47:30,760
I know you want to keep going, but we're about an hour in

754
00:47:31,039 --> 00:47:37,719
and from here it gets bananas,
So I think that's a good cliffhanger to

755
00:47:37,000 --> 00:47:43,159
leave Part one on. Okay,
okay, okay, cool, mostly because

756
00:47:43,199 --> 00:47:45,639
I need more water. I am
very parched from all of this. Any

757
00:47:45,719 --> 00:47:49,159
snack, I'm hungry? Yeah,
all right, everyone. So that was

758
00:47:49,199 --> 00:47:53,079
part one of Night of the Grizzlies
in Glacier Park. Part two. We

759
00:47:53,119 --> 00:48:00,119
will be talking obviously about the attacks
that happened. Spoiler people get attacked in

760
00:48:00,159 --> 00:48:04,519
this story, so we don't have
Thatt's hack for this episode. Unfortunately,

761
00:48:05,119 --> 00:48:07,920
we have some bad encounters with some
bad counters, yeah, for sure,

762
00:48:08,360 --> 00:48:14,039
and the start of something madness.
Yeah. Well if it's not even a

763
00:48:14,079 --> 00:48:16,719
bear, which is like a dude
stab and shit, honestly, you don't

764
00:48:16,719 --> 00:48:21,559
know. Wait, this is our
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765
00:48:21,599 --> 00:48:24,559
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766
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Certain parts of Ukraine. Yeah,
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784
00:49:37,920 --> 00:49:40,400
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785
00:49:40,599 --> 00:49:44,239
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786
00:49:44,239 --> 00:49:49,320
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787
00:49:50,000 --> 00:49:52,840
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