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No, they they're just sweatpants us
sweatpants use. Yeah, yeah, just

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repackaging his old sweatpants. And yeah, it's good. It's a good business

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idea. Yeah, people do do
that right now. People online, Hello,

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Hi, hey, everyone, welcome
the game Spot after Dark, episode

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two hundred and thirty three. I
think I got that right. I'm your

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host's week joly Sapee and I.
I'm joined to my left this time in

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a surprise move. More shuffling around
the left. Yeah, this is weird.

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You have to back and forth like, oh, I don't know if

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my neck can handle it. Also
joining me on the right, Jake Decker.

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Hello, squeaky chair. Jake's got
the squeaky chair. Yeah, Lucy

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on the far right, you got
the short chair. You do. We'll

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see how much you shrink. We
like, do a time lapse. You'll

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shrink down throughout the episode. We
need to we need to get different.

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We do. We're working on it. I don't know working on it.

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Oh, now they're not making noise. Stage fright, turn not rock.

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That's what I was doing, turned
slowly. Oh that sounds bad. That

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sounds bad. I hate to be
listening to this podcast right now, all

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right, well, hey, it's
it's another week in video games. It's

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uh, I guess kind of slowed
down for like a hot minute, right

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are we are? We kind of
in the clear for for a minute big

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releases now for a little bit.
That's how you jinx it? Yeah,

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shadow drop? What could what would
even possibly shadow drop? Hold on night

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so something? Though, I think
it would be very I would be livid.

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I know someone would be very happy
about that though. But yeah,

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I mean it's uh, it's it's
slowing down. But that doesn't mean we

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don't have a lot to talk about
because, uh, we didn't get talked

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about it last week because it like
just came out and meet Jake and Kurt

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hadn't played it yet, but we
now have which is Dragon's Dogma two.

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Oh yeah, I started playing it. I'm not very far in at talks.

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I was very sleepy, but I'm
down to here your thoughts after how

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long have you spent with it?
I've played like twelve hours or so.

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I I played a good and out
during the weekend, but then my brain

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was like, hold on, hold
on, you're in the middle of Final

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Fantasy, semde you you want to
finish Yakuza like a dragon, so you

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can go on infinite. Well,
so I kind of let off the gas

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a little, but I plan on
returning to it this weekend again. But

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yeah, I've played like sixteen hours
and I think it is fantastic or twelve?

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Did I say twelve? Yeah,
it's probably twelve then, but I

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think it's been those two cents as
you put in another four hours. Yeah,

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exactly. I figured it out.
I figured out time p a W.

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I was going to say the would
be a lot higher in other people's

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games. Oh okay, how does
that? How does that work? I

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haven't like messed too much for that. How do you know? I don't

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know. How do you know?
What? How do you know? Like

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if your pawn has been like,
oh, he tells you you sit him

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on question, but they still stay
in your game, so it's not like

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they leave. It's like a usually
when you sleep, when you're sleeping,

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they're off doing their own thing,
and then when you wake up, it

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was like, oh, your pawn's
back in the game, and yeah,

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and not you specifically, the game
doesn't know when you're sleeping. That'd be

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kind of interesting. Yeah, it's
like your pawn's been on the on an

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adventure and has got this stuff.
But you usually when when they're done doing

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quests for another player, they're dismissed. And when they're dismissed, the player

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can usually give them items to take
back, could give you some nothing.

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But the more important thing is that
they remember what they've done on those adventures.

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So if you're like running through an
area that they've already done, they'll

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be like, hey, I know
where to go. I did this,

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and they'll be like, come with
me, or did you take you to?

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They can take you to like objectives, Like if you pick a quest

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and you're like, I'm doing this
quest and it's already done. The porn

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has already done your master, I
know where this is. Follow me and

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you can be like go, Or
if you're in an area, I can

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be like, hey, there's a
treasure over here, I'm pretty sure,

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or there's a cave down there,
I'm pretty sure. You can follow me

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and I'll take you there. I
don't want them to call me master.

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I think that they the same master, and every every one of the porns

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caused your master, whether you're whether
you're one of theirs or not, because

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it's like the origin is just the
Master of all pawns. Yeah, and

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they're like coming from like alternate realities
like yeah, timelines there's they're also just

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like walking around in the overworld.
Oh yeah. And when they constantly bugging

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me, yeah, they like hit
you with their like tinderbio. Immediately they're

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just like, hey, I'll do
this. I'm great at picking things up.

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However, I'm kind of hot.
I'll never speak out of turn and

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then like going on long walk.
Yeah, exactly, that's exactly it.

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I like picking them up and throwing
them. Yes, that is entertaining.

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Did you make because your porn?
I made live from Eldon Ring. It's

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pretty good. That's the main boy, Main Boy. I didn't base it

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off anything. I just made random
characters. I wish I had put more

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BLI the nickname I've given him his
baps I don't remember. Mine is called

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Main Pawn because I didn't see where
where You'll always know. Ye. The

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other day I tweet and people are
like, what the are you talking about?

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I'm like, I didn't I didn't
see the how to name it.

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I must have like buttoned through it
by accidents. And now I've got Main.

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I think I did recruit Main pawn
and I was like, I don't

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want a character named Maine pawn and
throw like good er though, so I

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think it was an archer too.
My main a woman. Yeah, that's

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that's that's my that's my main pawn, which I don't look hard enough.

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I'm just like, come on,
join me and then they fall. I'm

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bummed because I'm on PC, so
I can't see. Okay, so I

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can get your I think they cross
platform. Oh they are cross platform.

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I think so currently being allowed to
me and said that it wasn't but well

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probably not. We can my pon. I was just gonna say, my

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pawn is my cat Brinks, So
we like recreated Brinks. Took a lot

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of time to really get the fur
and the coloring just right. Very difficult

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because she's got a lot of uh
texture, texture, detail, color,

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and so yeah, now I have
no I have Brinks And yeah it is

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weird because she's just like, hello, master, I shall take you this

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way, and I'm just like,
she does not behave like that. She

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doesn't talk like that. Oh I
should have made peanut and jelly next time.

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How many poems can you make?
You can only make one of the

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main poem and then the others you
have to hire. Yeah, so you

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have your character and then a pond. So far, I've hired Captain Levi

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from Attack on Titan just showed up
and said, Hey, what's up,

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and dude, you're a thief getting
my party? Let's go. Yeah,

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I hired Patches. That's a good
one. Patch Ye's. I thought about

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starting again, but those first few
hours are an uphill struggle. Every moment

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in that game is an uphill struggle. So every moment exactly. So,

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I mean, you're going downhill the
mountain though mmm, I'm not sure that

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you're going downb mountain to the but
likestand I understand like getting attacked by random

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dragons and it's true. I love
it, though I'm like, oh,

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so I'm so into it. So
far, I feel like I've barely scratched

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the surface. So because I'm only
like six or seven hours in, like

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I kind of like just got to
the main town, which because I like

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really took my time to like explore
that opening area and and and see everything,

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and it was just like, oh, what's over there? And then

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it was like this, you know, you just find a cave and it

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takes you like all over the place, and then you get you spend like

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forty five minutes fighting control. It's
lovely. Yeah. Usually caves will lead

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you most of the time, they
lead you to like one of the special

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stones that you can and they will
give you like a special pawn out of

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it, an extra powerful one.
But then you can find them on the

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I think you can add them as
a favorite and then you can go to

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pornhub and find them there. It
would I so I didn't play the original,

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Tam you played the original, right, how much of this game is

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like, was that first game?
They made that game again? Okay?

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Because I noticed how like the titles
are smart. Also the title screen it's

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just called dragons Dragons, and I
was like, oh, I didn't even

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notice that. That's interesting. I
think, like it makes perfect sense.

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They were like, this game is
great, nobody played it, so let's

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just remake try again, I mean, release it on switch. You could

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argue that's kind of what Demons Souls
and dark Souls to some degree, I

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mean different, but like they were
kind of just like, hey, let's

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just do that again, but differently, I mean, you don't want to

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fight John Luke. Okay, all
right, I was just trying to make

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a little you're right in it in
a way, like the spiritual success part

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of it. Sure, sure,
Demon's Dark is very value. Yes,

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it was like they didn't really add
anything. They didn't expand it in any

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major ways. Okay, they just
used the technology that's available to them now

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to make the experience of playing Dragon
Zogma more interesting and easy. Sure,

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so it's like the the ideal experience. Maybe they wanted to do but couldn't.

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They could have called his director's cut
and it had been perfectly fine,

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except they already did directors cut,
so they couldn't do that to Uh.

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Yeah, I I I completely agree
with I think it's it's Austin from a

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Skill Up channel was saying how it
has that like Lord of the Rings party

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adventure type quality to it, and
like that is the that's the vibe I

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get playing it, like it's me
and my ponds and we're going on a

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little adventure and we're gonna we're gonna
fight a k and I'm gonna climb on

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his back. And then my pawn
walked into the lake, and then I

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threw my other pond into the lake, you know, just like in Lord

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of the Rings just like very much
is that Lord of Rings meets Skyrim style

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where it's like, oh yeah,
there's a big open world. I'm gonna

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see what's in there. And then
I've got my friends along with me who

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are occasionally very annoying. They talk
way too much. They do talk way

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too much, that is true.
Yeah, yeah, my favorite ones are

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because I have accidentally, well accidentally, but like I just picked the pawns

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that I was would be most useful
with all women, and one of them

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keeps pointing out that it's a party
of women's Like, I've just noticed this

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is a group of women. Interesting? Is that interesting? Well, not

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only that, if your pawn is, then I guess that makes sense now

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because if if your pawn visits like
another person, they'll come back and they'll

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talk about people. Feel like the
last master I was with had a party

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of all women. Isn't that interesting? There's like, ah cool, you

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help me with this griffin On' not. I know a lot has been said,

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but I think about this aspect of
the game, but I just love

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how exploration focused it is and how
it really just emphasizes like trying to entertain

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you or give you exciting things to
do while going from point A to point

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B, rather than like like it's
cheesy, but it's all about the journey,

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not the destination, you know,
And it feels really authentic in the

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way it is where it's like it's
like I'm just like I don't really care

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about the quest I'm doing or the
objective. I'm just excited to get there,

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which I think is such a cool
thing that I feel like you don't

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see a whole lot in modern video
games. I would say like Zelda is

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probably a good example of it.
But I feel like for a while there,

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we kind of got stuck in this
sort of like here's all the question

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marks on the map, you just
got to go to them. You can

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fast travel around the map, like
we can make getting across the map as

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easy as possible. We just don't
want you to think about traveling. We

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just want you to be shooting or
slicing. Well, this just feels like

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like I don't know, I just
like strolling through the fields and with my

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ponds, and then I see something
interesting and I stroll over to it,

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and then all of a sudden,
the griffin shows up, and I'm like,

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all right, let's go leveled by
you know, can you come up

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against an insurmountable phone? Yeah,
oh definitely. There's there's like major like

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there's a dragon just knocking about and
it is clearly way too hard to beat

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when you start. But it's what
it's like the gen and of that game

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where it's like your ultimate goal is
to kill that dragon knocking about, or

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one of your ultimate goals is to
kill that dragon, and it's just there

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and if you try and fight it
will kill you very quickly, so you

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kind of just have to maneuver your
way around it. And the journey is

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very much the point, especially considering
especially for the early stages, the quests

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are kind of not great, Like
I agree, yeah, yeah, it's

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very much how do we get this
person out of these hub areas which are

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also not great into the open world. They can do stuff and see stuff,

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and it is a game where if
you try and play it quickly you

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will have the worst possible time.
Yeah, it's like a D and D

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campaign, right, Or it's like
it's about building up the party, just

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like soaking in the atmosphere, like
like you're you're yeah, you're there for

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the you're for the for the bands, but like picking a small objective and

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trying to do it. Like I'm
going to go from here to that cave,

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explore that cave and try and get
back before nightfall because nightf always gets

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way harder. Or I'm going to
try and go to that cave, explore

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it, and then I know there's
like a campsite here. I've got a

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camping bag. I'm going to rest
there and then continue my journey. Yeah.

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Absolutely, I had. I mean
speaking of like the hub areas and

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stuff, they are kind of boring, but I had a troll attack the

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capitol. It was just like this
giant troll running through like picking people up,

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throwing them across, climbing on buildings, and like me and all the

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guards were like, all right,
we're taking this thing down. We're chasing

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it across the city while people are
screaming and shouting. This is pretty cool.

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Like it's like on fire, running
into buildings and stuff. It's just

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it's it was pretty cool. It
was a it was a cool moment.

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It killed a lot of people.
Don't know how that will affect progression,

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but ever kind of have like I
don't know that that makes it kind of

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fun. Yeah, Well, When
people die, they get taken to the

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cemetery or like the mausoleum into them, and then if you have a like

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a revival stone, you can bring
important characters back to life. But if

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they're there for too long, they
rot and die. So I love that.

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Have you encountered the Dragon's play yet? But I'm trying to so excited.

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It takes a while. So much. Everyone was like, oh my

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god, why this game is broken? Move and it's like, maybe it's

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fun. There's a lot of amazing
ideas. There's an arrow in that game

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which you can only file once and
it will whatever it hits instantly kills,

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like it's a one hit kill.
But the game also as soon as you

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let go of the arrow, you
have to live with the consequences. If

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you miss, it's gone, If
you kill, it's gone forever. But

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like you could say, with it
for the last bots and just be like

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bam done. That's what I would
do. Uh yeah, I mean yeah,

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I think this game like playing it. It gives me the same vibe

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and energy that I feel like when
I first played Far Cry Too back in

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the day. Yeah, where it's
just like, you know, hey,

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like the story and why you're doing
these things. Isn't really the point.

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It's more about like the systems,
about exploring this space, about the way

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the game causes friction because like I
mean, like people complain about how and

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far cry too. Like in that
game you get malaria and then you'll just

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have like malaria attacks. So like
hearing the Dragon's Plague was giving me flashbacks

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to like getting malaria like attacks randomly
in the middle of like battle and being

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like, yes, I want that
more thing like that. I love one

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a game. It's really funny.
It pushes against me. Everyone's like,

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oh my god, why do we
know about this thing? The pawns actually

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mentioned it immediately, like pretty much
immediately. Yeah, porn will be like

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I've heard about a strange affliction that
is hurt, like that is impacting the

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pawns where the Orisina starts to lose
control and they will like not listen to

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them, and like he's giving you
clues about like this could go bad,

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and someone else will be like we
should keep an eye out for that,

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right, Okay, Cool, It's
just because you hear it in like the

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in between like twenty others in between
there's a ladder over here. Oh my

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god, the ladders. I'm just
like, shut up, I don't care.

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I'm done with ladders. Yeah,
they really like to tell me that

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my party is a well composed party
where everyone's a different class. Yeah.

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Every now and then they do this
thing where they're like, just over here,

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Master, there's a treasure, and
then they'll run for fifteen minutes just

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over here crazy. Yeah, it's
good. I like it quite a bit.

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I feel like I barely scratched the
surface on it, but I yeh,

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it's like, yeah, it does
that thing where it makes every vocational

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class really really interesting and worth your
while to go through, especially like when

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you pick like the Mage and like
you oh, halfway in or like during

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that development, you basically unlock the
ability to fly, and it's just like

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really weird stuff like that. The
the like Fighter or one of the other

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ones can do this thing where they
will use their shield to basically launch ponds

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up into the air, so you
can like give people a piggyback onto larger

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enemies and stuff like that. So
all the the the Archers was really really

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fun. Even when you start,
one of the first abilities you get is

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like you hit jump and then hit
kick in midair and if you connect with

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an enemy, they do a backflip
away and you can like shoot your bow

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and arrow in the when you land
in the or in mid air as well

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to do like this, and you
can like sliding maneuver. They basically genuinely

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they looked at legoless and we're like, how can we make this a video

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game? Which I can't tell if
you are all trying to pander to me.

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Pretty much, he is lego less, like or your porn or your

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orisen can be legal less. Okay, that's good. Yeah. He can

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also change vocation anytime. Yeah,
you can. Pretty much. The point

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is to change it because like usually
there's some sort of ability that will change

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the way that class can be played. And sometimes you just know, like,

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oh, I need to I need
to be an archer for this battle,

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or there's certain quest where it's like
there's a there's an early question chain

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where you're helping an elf figure out
why he's having problems shooting his bow and

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arrow and hitting is Yeah, he's
having like performance anxiety with his bow,

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and like you have to be an
archer to do that question. Okay,

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cool, cool, But you can
just go to the tavern and like all

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the battle battlements and change it and
stuff like that. So yeah, it

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is very good in making sure that
you always are having fun and you're encouraged

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to change. The only downside to
begin with that makes it hard is like

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it's very difficult to carry a lot
of stuff. Yeah. I mean you

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can like move stuff between the ponds, but that's that's always the thing I

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found kind of annoying games. Yeah, but I have to move it back

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and forth, especially since the camping
packs are very very heavy. Yeah,

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if you have like two of them, you basically are The penalties for being

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heavy aren't severe. It's not like
you suddenly can't move like some games.

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Yeah, but it just means that
you will slow down and your stamina your

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stamina. Yeah, but you can
just keep an eye for these golden beetles.

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They're pretty much everywhere, but like
every time you grab one and consume

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it, it adds a little more, Like see them on trees. I

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have them, all those beetles and
get those beats. All right, Well,

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I'm gonna go eat a bunch of
beetles when to get home. One

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thing too, I didn't realize when
I started playing, is I thought every

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time you camped it like burned a
camp set up. So I was like,

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I gotta have like three of them
just in case I'm out for a

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long time. And then I found
out that, oh no, they only

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get destroyed if you're camping. You
don't clear enemies, and the enemies destroyer.

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There's like different levels of camping packs
and the lower level ones when you're

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attacked and you if you're asleep and
you're attacked, they're usually destroyed. It

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will destroyed the encamping. The higher
you go, the more resilient the camping

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equipment is, so you can like, like, for example, yesterday I

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was attacked by a bunch of goblins, but because I had a higher tier

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camping equipment, I could just fight
the goblins off and then reuse it.

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So it's just a matter of like
disposability. Yeah, that's cool. It's

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cool they got the SZ meat.
They do. People are very upset about

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it, but I don't why why
people. That's cool. People are upset

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about a lot of things with this
game that if you like, they don't

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fully understand. Yeah, it looks
really good as well, Like how can

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we be as entertaining with our food
as we are always break out the red

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camera for this one, because I
mean just to kind of like, I

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don't know, I don't want to
touch too much on like all the micro

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transactions, but I feel like this
game is it kind of follows its own

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rules in a way that many open
worlds do not. And because of that,

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I feel like, if you don't
play this game, but you see

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those micro transactions and stuff, I
could see why people would think that's annoying

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or unfair. But like, I
think that the being able to fast travel

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more, I think would make this
game considerably worse. Like I think people

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have been primed to like see micro
transactions and assume, especially for something around

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fast traveling, right, I assume
the game has been like carved up and

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compromised for those micro transactions. But
playing the game, I could definitively say

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like that doesn't feel the case is
very much an optional thing, and a

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lot of people didn't really like we
didn't mention an R review because we didn't

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really dig into the it wasn't even
available at that point. It wasn't available.

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But like I think, as you
mentioned in the documentation, but we

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were like, we don't want to
get spoiled. We don't want to look

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at stuff ahead of time. And
also like so we didn't see it,

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but the review just did not.
Afterwards, I was like, this is

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going to change anything, And I
thought to myself, is this gonna do

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I need to have it redone or
something like that. I was like,

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no, it's completely ignorable. Sure, yeah, and all the items that

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they're selling, like you can find
very easily early in the game. It's

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expensive, but that's kind of the
point, like they're not supposed to be

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able to easily get from. Yeah, it's not expensive because they're trying to

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like micro trans expensive because it feels
like that's the way the game intentionally designed

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itself. So yeah, I mean
I understand why people would like, out

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of context, see it and like
assume the worst, but like, no,

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I don't think it compromises the game. Do I wish they weren't selling

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micro transactions for full price game?
I know, I never I don't think

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they ever should. Personally it's my
sholing stamp on things, but uh yeah,

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I mean, like the issue is
don't buy them and do the micro

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Can you tell whether usually you can
tell whether the micro transactions have informed the

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design of the game. Like you
said, like, there's there's no grind

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beyond the intent intended grind in this
game that comes from the core design.

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There's no part of their where it's
like, oh, you need to level

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up your character to this degree and
we're gonna make it very hard, but

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if you buy this thing, it'll
be quicker. That just does not happen.

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If you are if you are perceiving
something as being a difficulty and then

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believe it is because to encourage you
to buy a micro transaction, you're probably

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incorrect. That's instead the way the
design is made. They don't want you

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to buy fairy stones. They want
you to look at the ox carts and

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use those as a way to get
around. So it's there's there's literally nothing

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in there that I would say is
even remotely essential to have totally just ignore

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that stuff. Yeah, yeah,
well that's Dragon's garment too. Yeah,

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it's worth playing. Yeah, absolutely, ten game spot. I'm that's that's

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all I want to play right now. But you know what else happens over

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the weekend? You two rare pas
remember that that was That was that was

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for five days ago. Yeah,
how was packed? Thanks? Was nice?

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We were there with Giant Bomb.
We did a couple of panels thank

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you to everyone who came out and
said hi, Packs, because Packs West

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last year was my first ever,
and so I didn't realize that that show

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was so much bigger. But I
think Packs East is just a really nice,

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like I don't mean this in any
negative way, just a manageable show,

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like I still didn't manage to see
everything, but it was not like

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spread out over so much space.
Three buildings, Okay, so that's what

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we mean by bigger one hole yeah, one hole yeah yeah. Well,

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how would you rate the experiences between
the two now they've done both, I

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think I preferred I preferred West,
I think, okay, but also I

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did I did East just after I've
done DDC. That's not an ideal.

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You didn't get to take a train
four train. Yeah, the overall experience

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of going to West and then being
in the West was really really cool and

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fun compared to East. But both
shows are fun, I feel like,

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and I mean this in the most
like, I understand that this is what

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a lot of people want. I
feel like a lot of conventions these days

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have become elaborate ways to sell people
things and buy things. It is.

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I've seen it done in more severe
ways. I think PAS is good because

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it also gives a bunch of people
other ways to come together and interact and

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have fun. You have not those
gaming sections where you can sit down and

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play board games and the tables have
a section speed games done quick sections of

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that's so cool. They didn't have
that when I was there. So the

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main floor was more just like do
I want to buy anything? And to

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be fair, I did. I
was walking around and I found some cool

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stuff I wanted to buy. I
only bought one thing, which was like

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a card game, like a competitive
card game, magic gathering style, but

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it's designed to teach you how to
speak Japanese. Oh I think I've heard

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of this. It's really cool.
Yeah. I mean like I was listening

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to the guy talk about it and
he was like, by the time you're

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done playing this game and you've mastered
it, you will have the ability to

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speak an elementary grade school standard.
I was like, sweet, I know

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how to do that. Same guy
like try to sell it to me at

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a PAX, like probably been there
for years. Yeah, So I was

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like I want to I won't learn
anything from this kind I've studied it,

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but I will I will at least
get to see how the design is making

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people or aiding people in learning.
So I'm excited to get dig into that.

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And then there was some like other
like art stuff, like they had

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like a metal gets sort of lithograph
style thing, oh, which was really

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cool. That box things. Yeah, yeah, how are like the game

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stuff? Because I remember when I
went to Backs East back in like twenty

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twenty eleven to like twenty fifteen,
they actually did have like some decent like

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booths there you could go play like
Gears of War four, like The Darkness

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Too, or like Outlasts, like
they actually had like a couple of big

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games that I remember when I first
went was like whoa, I can wait

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three hours in line and play a
game for twenty years and I would do

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it. Nowadays I'm like, I'm
over it. I don't need to do

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that anymore. But they had a
boulders Gate three booth, they had new

407
00:28:12.480 --> 00:28:18.319
Blood, they had Honestly, we
didn't spend I didn't spend too much time.

408
00:28:18.359 --> 00:28:21.720
I mean that made that's fair.
I mean also like they just did.

409
00:28:21.759 --> 00:28:23.279
But yeah they didn't, don't.
I don't think they had very many

410
00:28:23.279 --> 00:28:27.160
games to play sure, like not
out there nothing that was like, oh

411
00:28:27.160 --> 00:28:30.039
brand new, this is the only
a bunch of stuff that just was at

412
00:28:30.039 --> 00:28:36.359
GDC, Like there was that game
about Kevin I forget what it's called,

413
00:28:36.400 --> 00:28:37.359
but like there was a bunch of
stuff that was in the GDC Awards that

414
00:28:37.400 --> 00:28:41.079
was there at school. I mean, the indie section is always like where

415
00:28:41.079 --> 00:28:44.319
the really good stuff is. Yeah, So no, I don't like it.

416
00:28:44.319 --> 00:28:48.079
I had a really nice time with
it. I think it's a really

417
00:28:48.119 --> 00:28:52.079
fun show. The vibes were really
nice, because the vibes at you know,

418
00:28:52.240 --> 00:28:56.359
Dice in GDC, where it's all
like kind of the business side is

419
00:28:56.680 --> 00:29:00.000
a little Yeah, and that's totally
understandable. But it just felt really good

420
00:29:00.000 --> 00:29:03.720
to be at a show where everyone
was just excited to play games again.

421
00:29:03.759 --> 00:29:06.880
And I think that was very infectious. And I and you know, the

422
00:29:07.240 --> 00:29:12.119
crowds and panels were just really hyped
and it was just a nice refreshing reminder

423
00:29:14.000 --> 00:29:18.400
of the almost like a rejuvenating for
the soul. Yes, in a way.

424
00:29:18.640 --> 00:29:22.440
Yeah, but I am super said
that I didn't get to spend Like

425
00:29:22.680 --> 00:29:25.640
I don't know, there's never enough
time to do everything. Yeah, I'm

426
00:29:25.680 --> 00:29:29.599
bummed. I didn't get to spend
more time at the speed running stuff,

427
00:29:30.119 --> 00:29:33.119
because that was the stuff I really
wanted to see. I mean, like

428
00:29:33.559 --> 00:29:36.720
to be fair, going into it, I didn't realize that GDQ was even

429
00:29:36.839 --> 00:29:38.799
there in a major way, but
it turned out like they were having like

430
00:29:38.960 --> 00:29:42.359
full on runs being done. But
I don't think they were doing charity stuff.

431
00:29:44.039 --> 00:29:47.880
I think it was just like on
the ground floor yeah wow, and

432
00:29:47.920 --> 00:29:51.559
we had like loads of panels to
do and stuff. Do they still have

433
00:29:51.599 --> 00:29:56.720
the Steel Battalion Room? Yes,
I don't think it's a room, but

434
00:29:56.799 --> 00:30:00.559
they definitely had a Steel Battalion set
upon. Every year I've been there for

435
00:30:00.599 --> 00:30:03.119
like ten years, they always had
a room set up with a ton of

436
00:30:03.160 --> 00:30:08.680
original xboxes and full Steel Battalion setups
with like land yeah, multiple and so

437
00:30:08.839 --> 00:30:12.359
one yeah, and then like you
can like bring people in and they'll like

438
00:30:12.400 --> 00:30:15.279
basically run do like a crash course, and then you get to do like

439
00:30:15.279 --> 00:30:19.759
a multiplayer match like a four v
four. So if you've ever wanted to

440
00:30:19.839 --> 00:30:25.799
like experience that insane controller set up, PAX is the way to do it.

441
00:30:26.279 --> 00:30:29.599
They had that room where you could
just they had a bunch of consoles

442
00:30:29.599 --> 00:30:33.039
set up and you can just rent
games yeah, and like because Grub and

443
00:30:33.039 --> 00:30:36.799
and like a few others snow back, Mic and a few others were playing

444
00:30:37.000 --> 00:30:41.079
Powerstone on Dreamcast and oh yeah playing
deaf Jam and was someone with a dance

445
00:30:41.119 --> 00:30:47.039
mat Yeah got in yeah some somehow
Mike and not you got a sour a

446
00:30:47.119 --> 00:30:52.000
meebow when he walked into that room. Not sure how that happened. Yeah,

447
00:30:52.480 --> 00:30:52.960
he was just holding it was like, what do you get that?

448
00:30:55.200 --> 00:30:59.440
Yeah, it was Grub's birthday.
It was back Las birthday. Grub one

449
00:30:59.599 --> 00:31:03.319
right, grumbling wanted a lot of
money betting on hockey. Oh was at

450
00:31:03.319 --> 00:31:07.920
what the sport was? Ida?
Yeah, hockey? I thought that's what

451
00:31:07.960 --> 00:31:10.359
she said it was. Oh I
made that up. I was just like

452
00:31:10.400 --> 00:31:15.240
football hockey. I was okay,
Yeah, it's hockey eleven game parly apparently,

453
00:31:15.759 --> 00:31:18.799
which means a lot of money,
a lot of money. Wow.

454
00:31:19.240 --> 00:31:22.039
I feel like I need to go
back to pack s East because I've gone

455
00:31:22.079 --> 00:31:27.759
once and it was like twenty sixteen
and it was like it was ten and

456
00:31:27.799 --> 00:31:32.920
went with wind show moving into May
next year. Okay, now now I'm

457
00:31:32.920 --> 00:31:37.839
more interested. But I was so
miserable, like I was just not prepared

458
00:31:37.880 --> 00:31:40.160
for that at all. And I
remember a lifter. It was like,

459
00:31:40.200 --> 00:31:44.079
yeah, it's weird because last weekend
it was like sixty degrees. Oh my

460
00:31:44.160 --> 00:31:47.240
god, I wish it was last
weekend. It's brutal. It's just another

461
00:31:47.880 --> 00:31:51.759
short walk. I just remember the
short walk from the Uber to the convention.

462
00:31:51.960 --> 00:31:53.440
I was like, if I was
here thirty more seconds, I would

463
00:31:53.440 --> 00:31:59.359
probably die. Like we had the
tunnel. Yeah, we found a tunnel

464
00:31:59.400 --> 00:32:06.599
between now hotel and oh yeah,
because you haunted it was like three times

465
00:32:06.640 --> 00:32:10.000
as long as going overground. It
was ridiculous. Grub was obsessed with this

466
00:32:10.039 --> 00:32:14.920
tunnel and I did it for the
first time. Okay, tunnel, but

467
00:32:15.240 --> 00:32:20.079
it's a tunnel. It takes for
it. When you get there, you

468
00:32:20.119 --> 00:32:23.039
can't go in from the tunnel.
You have to go outside and go around.

469
00:32:23.359 --> 00:32:28.119
The worst the worst part of the
tunnel is when you emerge outside,

470
00:32:28.440 --> 00:32:32.400
you can see inside the hotel lobby
where you would have been if you had

471
00:32:32.440 --> 00:32:36.480
just crossed the road. Like you
come out and you're like, I was

472
00:32:36.559 --> 00:32:39.960
there ten minutes. Like the way
US cities are designed and infrastructure, it's

473
00:32:40.000 --> 00:32:46.160
not that interesting. So when you
see like a tunnel, I want a

474
00:32:46.200 --> 00:32:50.039
tunnel walk through next year. You
know, I'll give you the Tunnel Tour

475
00:32:50.359 --> 00:33:02.759
Tunnel Tour, Were there any snakes
down there? No? Zero tunnel snakes.

476
00:33:02.799 --> 00:33:07.039
I think that'll be aout back once
the Fallout Show is out. Okay,

477
00:33:07.200 --> 00:33:09.880
make if the Tunnel Snakes aren't in
the Fallout Show, what is even

478
00:33:09.920 --> 00:33:15.880
the point? Where does that show
take place? In the fall California?

479
00:33:16.000 --> 00:33:22.359
Okay, no tunnel snakes there,
damn Yeah. The Boston Boys d c

480
00:33:24.519 --> 00:33:29.680
many of the California chapter. Yeah, the California chapter of the Tunnel Snakes.

481
00:33:30.559 --> 00:33:35.920
Yeah, uh well was there anything
else you guys check down? Yeah?

482
00:33:36.640 --> 00:33:38.480
That was packs was that gendc was
fun. We saw a bunch of

483
00:33:38.480 --> 00:33:42.599
things there, right right. Got
a game in the office now yeah,

484
00:33:42.720 --> 00:33:47.599
oh yeah, but yeah that's the
official Office Games. Then yeah we should

485
00:33:47.599 --> 00:33:52.640
shoot a video with that. Yeah. It wasn't that bad, like gimmicky

486
00:33:52.680 --> 00:33:55.000
as hell, you know, but
sure I was. I was like,

487
00:33:55.039 --> 00:33:59.400
oh, this is actually works,
fair play. Yeah, it works,

488
00:33:59.440 --> 00:34:04.599
and it's not like hideous looking.
It looks. Yeah, it doesn't look

489
00:34:04.720 --> 00:34:07.119
cheap. It has an app and
at the end, if you're if you're

490
00:34:07.160 --> 00:34:08.599
done with your sense, you can
just hit a button and it just what

491
00:34:09.800 --> 00:34:20.239
sense does it come with? By
default? Gunpowder Forest fire rain I'm not

492
00:34:20.280 --> 00:34:24.960
sure, and then clean air and
something else. I mean Dragon Soccerate two

493
00:34:25.000 --> 00:34:30.119
seems like the perfect came to test
it with no no gunfire, but you

494
00:34:30.159 --> 00:34:35.719
know everything else fire definitely regular fire, regular fire or smoky. I don't

495
00:34:35.760 --> 00:34:38.639
know I should double yet. It
would be it would be good if they

496
00:34:38.719 --> 00:34:40.920
We talked about this with them,
but we were like, are you working

497
00:34:40.960 --> 00:34:45.400
with developers to make packs like that? And I think they indicated they were

498
00:34:45.599 --> 00:34:50.920
trying to. Yeah, it'd be
like, oh, you know, the

499
00:34:50.920 --> 00:34:54.000
the Elder Scrolls pack is coming out
and you buy this thing and it will

500
00:34:54.000 --> 00:34:58.039
make it smell like the next Elder
Scrolls game. Well, you know the

501
00:34:58.079 --> 00:35:00.079
Spider Man pack. I just don't
want that. Well, I'm sorry,

502
00:35:00.199 --> 00:35:05.880
I just don't want that. I
think their smell. I don't want my

503
00:35:05.960 --> 00:35:08.559
apartment to smell like anything other than
what it's supposed to smell, like,

504
00:35:09.280 --> 00:35:13.000
like I kind of want to know
it, like their version of like what's

505
00:35:13.079 --> 00:35:17.199
neurn roots smell? Like? You
know, they also own the Smell of

506
00:35:17.280 --> 00:35:23.000
Vision pattern now or the Smell of
Vision IP the trademark they purchased it,

507
00:35:23.199 --> 00:35:25.840
which they told us in our interviews. So they are they are the smell

508
00:35:25.840 --> 00:35:29.840
of vision company now sounds like a
waste of money. Who was like the

509
00:35:30.480 --> 00:35:34.960
biz guy on this kind of went, yeah, I invented the digital photo

510
00:35:34.960 --> 00:35:39.320
frame and what was it the first
Android tablet before the iPad? Stuff like

511
00:35:39.519 --> 00:35:47.239
who is this much? Yeah,
it's culminated into the game sense. I

512
00:35:47.239 --> 00:35:52.760
mean the good use the use case
for it is like streamers, like once

513
00:35:52.760 --> 00:35:55.960
you get it hooked up to write
and you can make you know, yeah,

514
00:35:55.960 --> 00:35:59.599
that'd be pretty funny. Bits to
make it smell like dog shit or

515
00:35:59.599 --> 00:36:01.960
something like that. Cool, that'll
be funny. Once again, wouldn't want

516
00:36:01.960 --> 00:36:10.599
to do that in my house,
but I definitely she stopped peeing on my

517
00:36:10.679 --> 00:36:16.800
bed. Oh okay, she was
a little stressed. She's fine, yeah,

518
00:36:17.039 --> 00:36:24.079
gool I mean that was that was
that. We also saw the InVideo

519
00:36:24.199 --> 00:36:29.679
AI start Oh it's kind of cool, which they hate to say, so

520
00:36:30.440 --> 00:36:34.760
explain what I've heard. There is
a thing, but I don't know specifically

521
00:36:34.800 --> 00:36:39.800
what it is. Three different ones
convey which is the one that's kind of

522
00:36:39.800 --> 00:36:45.000
working with I believe Unity right now
in videos version and we saw Ubisoft one.

523
00:36:46.239 --> 00:36:52.599
So they were basically and what do
they do? So it was using

524
00:36:52.760 --> 00:36:54.519
the I'm gonna use the in video
example, it was basically a character that

525
00:36:54.519 --> 00:37:00.639
they had written basically a character sheet
for and a backstory and programmed no program.

526
00:37:00.760 --> 00:37:04.880
But you know, they kind of
had sliders to be like, oh

527
00:37:04.920 --> 00:37:08.679
this this character is empathetic or this
character is real aggressive, right, and

528
00:37:08.719 --> 00:37:14.599
then you have dropped into this scenario
where you basically had to infiltrate a hotel

529
00:37:14.920 --> 00:37:17.960
and you had to talk to the
NPCs to find out which room someone was

530
00:37:19.000 --> 00:37:21.039
staying in and then figure out a
way to get up to that room.

531
00:37:21.440 --> 00:37:24.800
And you had to talk like push
to talk and you could communicate with the

532
00:37:24.880 --> 00:37:28.480
NPCs. And so there was a
guy who was like a doorman and he

533
00:37:28.519 --> 00:37:30.880
was really tired, and there were
multiple ways of getting to leave his post,

534
00:37:31.119 --> 00:37:34.079
and if he did, he would
drop a key and then that he

535
00:37:34.119 --> 00:37:37.119
would help you. Or you know, you could try and ask the receptionist

536
00:37:37.320 --> 00:37:39.519
or his business partner was in the
lobby and you could try and say to

537
00:37:39.599 --> 00:37:44.039
him, Oh, that paper you're
working on, shit, it's terrible.

538
00:37:44.039 --> 00:37:45.920
It's getting get canceled. The whole
conference is canceled. Like you you know,

539
00:37:46.800 --> 00:37:50.199
the Envidio one was the one that
worked the best. It's like they're

540
00:37:50.199 --> 00:37:55.119
trying to do, like talking based
effectively what it was. This is just

541
00:37:55.119 --> 00:37:59.440
a demo, this is not Yeah, sure, and it was cool and

542
00:37:59.480 --> 00:38:04.119
it was into reaction time for them. It was quick. It was not

543
00:38:05.000 --> 00:38:08.800
Microsoft Sam. I mean, ethics
abound about I'm not sure if it was

544
00:38:08.800 --> 00:38:13.440
an AI generated voice completely, but
like I know in video does have some

545
00:38:13.480 --> 00:38:19.920
of that tech m H. Characters
had emotional intonation and everything, but it

546
00:38:20.039 --> 00:38:22.199
definitely still didn't feel right. It
didn't feel like there was someone crafting an

547
00:38:22.239 --> 00:38:29.159
experience for you. I also wonder
about people who maybe don't I don't know

548
00:38:29.159 --> 00:38:31.199
people who don't know how to respond
in social situations like that, for example,

549
00:38:31.280 --> 00:38:35.679
like there's there was no hint system
at all to try and push you

550
00:38:35.719 --> 00:38:38.199
forward, yeah, or just you
know, you have to talk to people.

551
00:38:38.559 --> 00:38:40.519
Yeah. When it happened to us, like, oh it happened to

552
00:38:40.559 --> 00:38:43.440
me definitely, I don't know about
you, but they were like play it

553
00:38:43.480 --> 00:38:45.679
and I hit the button. I
was like, I don't know what to

554
00:38:45.719 --> 00:38:47.880
ask this thing, like what I
suppose where do I start? Right?

555
00:38:49.079 --> 00:38:52.039
It's overwhelming because you're like, what
are the limits of this? Like the

556
00:38:52.039 --> 00:38:54.039
first thing you just be like is
how do I solve this mission? Like

557
00:38:54.280 --> 00:38:58.119
you know that kind of thing,
but the characters have guardbrails, sure.

558
00:38:58.920 --> 00:39:00.840
And then there was the year Beside
one, which was they did it.

559
00:39:00.920 --> 00:39:05.320
I think they did a GDC talk
on it. There was definitely tweets that

560
00:39:05.440 --> 00:39:07.239
one. Oh I saw the tweet
for that album and one was definitely like

561
00:39:07.440 --> 00:39:10.639
not as good. It was interesting
just to see. It kind of provided

562
00:39:10.639 --> 00:39:14.639
a little wrinkle to gameplay. So
it was this mission where you had to

563
00:39:14.719 --> 00:39:19.360
become friends with someone who had eventually
become your infield buddy, and so the

564
00:39:19.360 --> 00:39:22.280
whole thing was you quizzing them and
then quizzing you. You had to build

565
00:39:22.320 --> 00:39:24.840
up a rapport. Yeah, that's
when I asked him if he was a

566
00:39:24.880 --> 00:39:30.920
child of divorce and he said,
terrifyingly, no, my parents are still

567
00:39:30.960 --> 00:39:34.719
together, but my ex wife and
kid are no longer in the picture that

568
00:39:35.119 --> 00:39:39.559
you kill them, but you're still
talking, like talking with Mike. And

569
00:39:39.599 --> 00:39:42.480
then that was kind of the first
part of it. And then the second

570
00:39:42.519 --> 00:39:46.920
part was you were looking at a
map of an apartment and you had to

571
00:39:46.920 --> 00:39:52.559
basically plan an infiltration route to get
something out of the safe, and there

572
00:39:52.599 --> 00:39:57.800
was someone with you and you basically
had to convince them why your route was

573
00:39:57.880 --> 00:40:00.400
better. So it'd be like,
hey, how should we scale this window?

574
00:40:00.440 --> 00:40:01.800
Should we use a ladder or a
grappling hook? And then I would

575
00:40:01.800 --> 00:40:04.880
say, oh, we should use
a grappling hook and then go I don't

576
00:40:04.920 --> 00:40:07.840
think so why And then you would
give your justification and they go, oh,

577
00:40:07.920 --> 00:40:10.239
I think you're right. So very
rudimentary. And the other one was

578
00:40:10.800 --> 00:40:16.599
watching someone guide a drone and you
would just chat with the other character about,

579
00:40:16.800 --> 00:40:22.280
Hey, what's going on? Why
is the drone stopping? It felt

580
00:40:22.800 --> 00:40:32.360
clunky, Yeah, not as bad
as convey Convey was like real rough video

581
00:40:35.679 --> 00:40:39.480
at the end. Video convey Convey
was like firstly Microsoft sam like it just

582
00:40:39.519 --> 00:40:45.239
sounded like a robot using Second Life, Yeah, and like the thing.

583
00:40:45.480 --> 00:40:51.159
So the issue I found was one, there's that gap between you saying something

584
00:40:51.519 --> 00:40:55.960
and then it like figuring it out
looking at you in videos, the power

585
00:40:57.000 --> 00:41:00.599
behind in video is insane and this
is not going to be implemented immediately because

586
00:41:00.679 --> 00:41:06.760
the sheer like processing power requires and
requires it to be online like this is

587
00:41:07.440 --> 00:41:10.320
it's tapping into your gu the cloud
all this. Yeah. The other thing

588
00:41:10.360 --> 00:41:13.559
I found was like, I don't
want to hear my own voice when I'm

589
00:41:13.559 --> 00:41:15.719
playing a video game. I don't
like. I don't like it. I

590
00:41:15.760 --> 00:41:19.760
don't want to be because you're you're
supposed to put yourself like, oh,

591
00:41:19.760 --> 00:41:22.760
if I'm like putting myself in the
shoes of like Corvo, L I'm trying

592
00:41:22.800 --> 00:41:24.480
to be like Corvo. And then
I'm like, where do I find this

593
00:41:24.599 --> 00:41:30.440
key? Yeah, I don't want
to turn my social anxiety and awkwardness into

594
00:41:30.480 --> 00:41:35.559
a game. There's a clear theater
role play that they're asking me to do

595
00:41:35.639 --> 00:41:37.679
that. I think a lot of
people just like, don't. I just

596
00:41:37.719 --> 00:41:40.519
don't want. I think the most
useful part of everything we saw was the

597
00:41:40.599 --> 00:41:46.000
n video like tool where it's just
a big textbox and you just like put

598
00:41:46.039 --> 00:41:51.400
in information and then the AI just
uses that, like Lucy said, and

599
00:41:51.400 --> 00:41:54.039
you can set like guardrails or personality
stuff, and then the AI basically bases

600
00:41:54.079 --> 00:42:00.760
its entire personality history and like the
way it behaves off that text. So

601
00:42:00.800 --> 00:42:07.679
it could be really an interesting way
to make NPCs more have more depth without

602
00:42:07.679 --> 00:42:10.400
putting in a crazy amount of work, you know, instead of having that

603
00:42:10.440 --> 00:42:15.719
one NPC who's just constantly going,
I like turtles see you or something like

604
00:42:15.760 --> 00:42:20.119
that. I kind of that's the
stuff I love in games. Yeah,

605
00:42:20.199 --> 00:42:22.599
yeah, I mean, and that's
the thing. It's like you still very

606
00:42:22.719 --> 00:42:29.639
much need a narrative designer and write, but that the human touch was so

607
00:42:29.920 --> 00:42:35.280
missing on I mean yeah, like
just that tweet from UBI Software it's like,

608
00:42:35.920 --> 00:42:38.000
Hi, my name is blah blah
blah, I'm from the Resistance and

609
00:42:38.079 --> 00:42:43.639
we're fighting the Megacorps. Let's get
to know each other better with this quiz.

610
00:42:43.679 --> 00:42:47.880
And I was like, who what, like something like oh, extreme,

611
00:42:49.679 --> 00:42:53.079
yeah, here's we're going to be
an epic duo. Epic duo said

612
00:42:53.239 --> 00:42:58.360
epic duo repeatedly, And I'm just
like I don't know if this was like

613
00:42:58.480 --> 00:43:01.360
the the human touch added or like
the an but like either way, it's

614
00:43:01.360 --> 00:43:06.360
just I was like, this is
like really awkward, and Lucy's it's so

615
00:43:06.559 --> 00:43:10.679
far away from being like ready to
do anything like it within games. I

616
00:43:10.719 --> 00:43:15.960
think like, right now it's a
bunch of people justifying it to themselves right

617
00:43:15.000 --> 00:43:20.880
now, And I don't I don't
mean that like as a like I'm not

618
00:43:20.880 --> 00:43:23.039
talking down to anyone. I think
they need to do that to build upon

619
00:43:23.079 --> 00:43:28.360
it, to people to give them
money for it, and like maybe one

620
00:43:28.440 --> 00:43:30.840
day you'll get to a place where
we can use it in games, but

621
00:43:30.960 --> 00:43:34.960
right now, it's just like you'll
this, it pales in comparison to having

622
00:43:35.039 --> 00:43:37.719
actual humans working on characters and stories
and that kind of stuff. And it

623
00:43:37.800 --> 00:43:42.239
feels like a what was that game
from a really long time ago that Danny

624
00:43:42.320 --> 00:43:47.199
was obsessed with about you talking to
a mic? It's like or something like

625
00:43:47.239 --> 00:43:51.199
that. It was basically sman,
but it was a couple. You walked

626
00:43:51.239 --> 00:43:53.840
into their apartment and clearly they just
had an argument and then you like ask

627
00:43:53.960 --> 00:43:58.079
questions and they'll be weird about it. I think it might be called Facade

628
00:43:58.159 --> 00:44:00.880
or something like that I remember,
but it's basically a super high end version

629
00:44:00.920 --> 00:44:05.480
of that. Like that was that
was from like ten years ago? What

630
00:44:05.639 --> 00:44:09.079
was it? Was it? Milo? I was abroud Tone? Yeah,

631
00:44:09.559 --> 00:44:15.800
where where Peter Maw was like child
Oh okay, I've never heard of the

632
00:44:15.880 --> 00:44:20.440
game. That seems kind of interesting, but yeah that Milo, Yeah,

633
00:44:21.400 --> 00:44:27.239
it's interesting to think of that,
Milo, what is it? Screen show?

634
00:44:27.280 --> 00:44:30.800
It just says how about great?
Okay? Great? But I mean,

635
00:44:30.840 --> 00:44:35.400
like the mile of thing was so
funny because it was like completely smoking

636
00:44:35.440 --> 00:44:37.800
mirrors, like it was all fake
and what that was like ten years ago?

637
00:44:37.840 --> 00:44:42.760
And now we're in a place it
was more than that. Oh yeah,

638
00:44:42.800 --> 00:44:50.440
wow, okay, so like almost
fifteen years interesting to see that we

639
00:44:50.480 --> 00:44:53.920
are actually now in that place,
you know, yeah, it doesn't seem

640
00:44:53.920 --> 00:45:05.159
there yet. Also the ethics around
it taking away job, the how are

641
00:45:05.159 --> 00:45:08.840
you sourcing all of this? Are
you feeding off of other people's writing and

642
00:45:08.920 --> 00:45:13.840
work, and then all those things
that just make it like or I'm just

643
00:45:13.880 --> 00:45:17.000
like I don't I don't want to
touch any that's without even like concerning the

644
00:45:17.039 --> 00:45:20.920
uncanny value of it, or like
if you want to try and implement that

645
00:45:21.119 --> 00:45:28.559
in in high end games where the
technology presents a super high fidelity world and

646
00:45:28.719 --> 00:45:31.679
have this technology which isn't able to
match it, you break the immersions so

647
00:45:31.800 --> 00:45:36.159
hard. And that was the problem
with Convey, Like they played this game,

648
00:45:36.199 --> 00:45:39.320
which is like a cyberpunk style game. It's like super high like glossy

649
00:45:39.679 --> 00:45:45.599
good graphics, and then the characters
are behaving like numpties and it's just like

650
00:45:45.760 --> 00:45:51.679
what Yeah, then I even think
of like like just game design wise,

651
00:45:51.719 --> 00:45:53.519
do you really want the player to
stop and just have a conversation with an

652
00:45:53.599 --> 00:45:59.239
NPC for twenty minutes? Like does
that is that even good? Like do

653
00:45:59.280 --> 00:46:01.519
you want that kind of pacing?
Like, sure, there's some NPCs in

654
00:46:01.599 --> 00:46:06.440
games that I like enjoy getting to
know and chatting with, but they are

655
00:46:06.920 --> 00:46:12.519
written and like there's intent behind the
words that they say and and the actions

656
00:46:12.519 --> 00:46:15.400
that they do, right, And
I feel like even if you are able

657
00:46:15.440 --> 00:46:17.159
to kind of like tune these characters
a certain way, there's still not really

658
00:46:17.159 --> 00:46:23.599
that intent behind. There's also the
limitation of you can only have that happen

659
00:46:23.719 --> 00:46:30.920
in the like voice, but like
as far as like you know, animations

660
00:46:30.920 --> 00:46:34.920
and like what actually they do.
So it's like you they could say whatever

661
00:46:34.920 --> 00:46:37.920
they want, but you can't be
like, you know, you could be

662
00:46:37.920 --> 00:46:38.920
like, oh, hey, do
you have like a thing back there and

663
00:46:38.960 --> 00:46:40.360
they could be like, yes,
I do, and be like can you

664
00:46:40.400 --> 00:46:45.599
get that for me? They can't
do that surely right, Like so it's

665
00:46:45.639 --> 00:46:51.360
like there's a bunch of technologies that
are still very nascent that need to also

666
00:46:51.440 --> 00:46:57.039
be in parallel advanced to the degree
where it can keep up with an AI

667
00:46:57.159 --> 00:47:00.360
working it. Like the audio stuff, the voices, even when we the

668
00:47:00.760 --> 00:47:06.239
video one where it sounded good,
the delivery of the lines was terrible,

669
00:47:06.400 --> 00:47:08.760
like they didn't like they didn't know
when to pause properly and went how like

670
00:47:08.800 --> 00:47:13.960
to the intonation part of it.
And so you know someone who's like,

671
00:47:14.000 --> 00:47:15.679
oh, we can just like train, we can do this the ethical way

672
00:47:15.719 --> 00:47:21.199
and train our AI, our voice
AI based on you know, Troy Baker.

673
00:47:21.199 --> 00:47:23.599
Once Troy Baker has given us permission
and like it's involved in this,

674
00:47:24.039 --> 00:47:28.239
you can't do that and the thing
will sound like Troy Baker, but it

675
00:47:28.280 --> 00:47:32.480
won't be able to deliver the lines
in a way that can present emotion.

676
00:47:34.239 --> 00:47:37.679
And to get to that point,
will have to figure out how to make

677
00:47:37.719 --> 00:47:40.800
an AI know what an emotion is
and alter the way it speaks and behaves

678
00:47:42.159 --> 00:47:46.599
to reflect that. And that feels
like it's like computationally so far away from

679
00:47:46.639 --> 00:47:52.519
being like a reality. That yeah, and it so much hinges on stuff

680
00:47:52.559 --> 00:47:55.800
like that, working that the whole
AI being involved to like make characters.

681
00:47:55.880 --> 00:47:59.440
It feels like a pipe dream.
I don't think it's gonna happen in my

682
00:47:59.480 --> 00:48:06.000
lifetime. I agree largely. I
think financially it just doesn't feel very viable.

683
00:48:06.000 --> 00:48:07.679
Like you said, the amount of
like computing power and effort you need

684
00:48:07.719 --> 00:48:12.199
to even get to like what we
have right now, like AI like chat

685
00:48:12.239 --> 00:48:19.119
GPT like loses like thousands of millions
of dollars. It's not the predominance AI

686
00:48:19.159 --> 00:48:22.079
anymore, taken by another one,
right, Yeah, So like, yeah,

687
00:48:22.079 --> 00:48:27.280
I just I don't think this stuff
is going to be prevalent in the

688
00:48:27.280 --> 00:48:30.760
way I think people think it is
any times. Yeah. I think the

689
00:48:30.880 --> 00:48:36.119
closest we get is like developers use
it as like a in an early phase

690
00:48:36.159 --> 00:48:38.599
of development, where it's like you
just need to sandbox or like gray gray

691
00:48:38.599 --> 00:48:43.159
box stuff and just place characters in
place, and you know, just put

692
00:48:43.199 --> 00:48:46.039
these people here and then that's like
the foundation, which then you go in

693
00:48:46.360 --> 00:48:51.519
and then build everything you want by
hand on top of it. That's the

694
00:48:51.559 --> 00:48:53.039
closest I reckon we get to it. Yeah, I mean, like they

695
00:48:53.039 --> 00:48:57.360
already use like a Microsoft sam is
like filler text, you know, just

696
00:48:57.519 --> 00:49:00.400
like you. So you could use
an AI one us to like make it

697
00:49:00.440 --> 00:49:07.239
sound a little bit more authentic as
filler like a text, but then please

698
00:49:07.280 --> 00:49:09.920
go and actually replace it with a
proper person that you paid. What was

699
00:49:09.920 --> 00:49:13.599
the name Prince of Pleasure? Remember
how were they left one in there?

700
00:49:15.360 --> 00:49:17.800
It got passed before I got to
hear it. So it's so funny because

701
00:49:17.800 --> 00:49:21.800
it's the same voice they used for
TikTok and I was like, what's TikTok?

702
00:49:23.079 --> 00:49:27.599
I finally beat that game over the
weekend. Yeah, I beat TikTok.

703
00:49:27.760 --> 00:49:30.480
I don't have to use it anymore. I'm done scrolled too much on

704
00:49:30.519 --> 00:49:34.719
TikTok where they give you a video
because maybe hey yeah, and they custom

705
00:49:34.960 --> 00:49:37.360
like they don't look like you should
stop videos like mine was a guy playing

706
00:49:37.400 --> 00:49:40.039
piano and then instead of singing,
he just turned and goes like don't you

707
00:49:40.079 --> 00:49:46.239
think you should stop scrolling? Now? Wow? All Ai? Generated No

708
00:49:46.920 --> 00:49:51.239
no, but yeah, good luck
to Ai. It's not ready for a

709
00:49:51.280 --> 00:49:53.079
prime time yet. No, no
way, no, no, no no.

710
00:49:54.920 --> 00:49:59.559
Uh cool Jake, Is there anything
else deep and chucking out other than

711
00:49:59.639 --> 00:50:05.239
drag a Dog? I mean,
I'm continuing Final Fantasy se Rebirth. I

712
00:50:05.280 --> 00:50:07.440
really like it, still having a
good time, except I got to that

713
00:50:08.920 --> 00:50:15.800
uh I don't South Coral. It's
after Golden Saucer. Oh, so you're

714
00:50:15.920 --> 00:50:19.079
in the desert. I'm in the
desert the buggy right, Yeah. I

715
00:50:19.199 --> 00:50:21.960
wasn't sure the buggy was a spoiler, but yeah I got the buggy.

716
00:50:22.119 --> 00:50:27.039
But I got to that stupid goblin
who's like, you gotta do the cacti

717
00:50:27.280 --> 00:50:29.800
smashing, and I was like,
I can't I can't. I tried it

718
00:50:29.800 --> 00:50:31.840
once and I was like, I
know, I can't if the pacing of

719
00:50:31.880 --> 00:50:36.320
that game is disrupted by the mini
games and makes it annoying. See,

720
00:50:36.360 --> 00:50:39.000
I've been enjoying most of the mini
games for the most part, but every

721
00:50:39.079 --> 00:50:45.199
now and then one shows up that
I'm like, hate this and that kctar

722
00:50:45.320 --> 00:50:47.719
one I really do not like,
and I think mostly I just don't like

723
00:50:47.760 --> 00:50:52.559
that troll or whatever it is,
because it's just like, why are you

724
00:50:52.639 --> 00:50:57.119
dressed like a normal dude? Like
it's very like, what is happening.

725
00:50:58.199 --> 00:51:00.559
I don't like him. I don't
like him at all, don't like Yeah,

726
00:51:00.639 --> 00:51:04.800
no, but no, I've been
enjoying that. That's pretty much it.

727
00:51:04.840 --> 00:51:07.920
I've just it's it's final Fantasy track
and Dogma and then I started Unicorn

728
00:51:08.039 --> 00:51:12.119
Overlord, but I only played like
twenty minutes and I was like, what

729
00:51:12.199 --> 00:51:14.440
am I doing? I got a
bunch of other games and need to play

730
00:51:15.639 --> 00:51:20.400
it. Is anyone watching X Men
ninety seven, No, I'm gonna wait

731
00:51:20.400 --> 00:51:24.280
till more episodes here. It's very
good. It is good, and yeah,

732
00:51:24.599 --> 00:51:28.800
it is very good. I watched
episode three last night in bed,

733
00:51:28.920 --> 00:51:30.920
like it's like, I'm gonna watch
it before I go bed, so I'm

734
00:51:30.960 --> 00:51:36.719
like actively looking for new episodes.
It's that good. Can you watch the

735
00:51:36.760 --> 00:51:40.159
original series as well? It's on
Disney Plus, Yeah, but I believe

736
00:51:40.159 --> 00:51:45.239
it's on Disney Plus. But it
picks up basically after where that ends,

737
00:51:45.159 --> 00:51:52.159
And it's really interesting. They're doing
some things that I never would have expected

738
00:51:52.199 --> 00:51:55.679
to expected to see on a X
Men TV show. I mean, like

739
00:51:55.719 --> 00:52:01.480
an animated show, but like they
are pulling some real deep cuts for especially

740
00:52:01.480 --> 00:52:06.320
if you've like, if you know
the X Men history, there's some characters

741
00:52:06.320 --> 00:52:09.400
in there that you're like, remember
when they did the Phoenix in the original

742
00:52:09.440 --> 00:52:14.519
series. They've got one like that, which is like, how why this

743
00:52:14.599 --> 00:52:16.519
is crazy? Why did you put
this character in and do it this well?

744
00:52:17.719 --> 00:52:23.559
But yeah, it's it's a really
fascinating, really well done continuation of

745
00:52:23.599 --> 00:52:30.480
a series that is a little more
overt with its criticism and commentary on the

746
00:52:30.480 --> 00:52:34.679
world. Sure, obviously X Men
has always been about that, you know,

747
00:52:36.000 --> 00:52:38.320
exploring the kind of the feeling of
being outsiders and all that comes with

748
00:52:38.400 --> 00:52:42.800
it, but this one is like
in our day and age, it is

749
00:52:43.039 --> 00:52:46.760
taking cues from things that have happened
in real world history to try and delve

750
00:52:46.800 --> 00:52:52.000
deeper into some of that stuff they
made at work. Unfortunately for the people

751
00:52:52.000 --> 00:52:54.840
that are upset about it, I
hate to break it to you. X

752
00:52:54.880 --> 00:52:59.880
Men was always that was the point
of the X Men. The people have

753
00:53:00.159 --> 00:53:01.119
upset about it, and I'm like, oh, tell me, you don't

754
00:53:01.159 --> 00:53:02.880
know what X Men is. Without
telling me, you don't know what X

755
00:53:02.920 --> 00:53:06.440
Men is, And there is it. There is. Yeah. But they

756
00:53:06.559 --> 00:53:12.239
like really have come up with some
interesting dynamics for characters, like friends become

757
00:53:12.320 --> 00:53:14.719
enemies, enemies become friends, that
kind of thing. And you're like,

758
00:53:14.840 --> 00:53:21.199
oh, relationships are like very strained
and characters who wouldn't imagine would get on

759
00:53:21.320 --> 00:53:24.480
or like getting on now. And
it's it's like very it's very well done.

760
00:53:25.159 --> 00:53:29.880
They continuation of the two thousands X
Men next. That's the one I

761
00:53:29.960 --> 00:53:35.239
watched behave the TV show Cotton.
Yeah yeah, evolution, yeah evolution yeah

762
00:53:35.239 --> 00:53:36.880
oh yeah, yeah, they should
do that. That was really good.

763
00:53:36.920 --> 00:53:39.079
Yeah that's what I'm saying. Yeah, that's good. I think the movie

764
00:53:39.480 --> 00:53:43.039
no no no, no no no
no no no no no. They were

765
00:53:43.079 --> 00:53:46.519
like twenty more of those. I
can't remember if there was a real rumor,

766
00:53:46.599 --> 00:53:50.320
but I think there was some like
discussion I had whispers that they might

767
00:53:50.320 --> 00:53:54.159
be doing the same for Spider Man, the amazing Spider Man series. Oh.

768
00:53:54.199 --> 00:53:58.199
Also I watched The Ship out of
There. That was a good one

769
00:53:58.280 --> 00:54:02.920
and that ended. Actually that ended
in a way where I remember plot line

770
00:54:04.079 --> 00:54:07.880
is very similar to what The X
Men is doing now, and I won't

771
00:54:07.880 --> 00:54:10.119
say which one, but there was
a period where like the Madam Web stuff

772
00:54:10.159 --> 00:54:14.400
came into play in that and right, Madam Webb was a huge part of

773
00:54:14.400 --> 00:54:15.920
that. That's how I found out
who Madam Web was. Yeah, yeah,

774
00:54:16.000 --> 00:54:19.639
for sure, sounding now is the
time, the sooner she's there,

775
00:54:20.719 --> 00:54:25.719
Yeah, it's she can she can
return the role. It's The X Men

776
00:54:25.800 --> 00:54:30.199
ninety seven is well worth watching,
and I genuinely I know people are waiting

777
00:54:30.199 --> 00:54:31.840
for it, and you can wait
for it. I'm happy that I really

778
00:54:31.840 --> 00:54:36.079
am enjoying the week to week element
of it because it reminds me of being

779
00:54:36.079 --> 00:54:38.519
a kid and watching an episode and
then knowing I have to wait until next

780
00:54:38.519 --> 00:54:44.800
week and this time like mark my
my calendar to it. And also I

781
00:54:44.800 --> 00:54:50.239
feel like it they clearly know that
they're working the weekly release cycle into the

782
00:54:50.280 --> 00:54:52.880
way it's formatted and written and that
kind of stuff. Because it ends in

783
00:54:52.920 --> 00:54:55.519
ways which you're like, oh my
god, what does that mean? And

784
00:54:55.559 --> 00:54:58.960
then you have to wait for a
week. It's like that Lost style thing

785
00:54:58.960 --> 00:55:01.440
where it's like Lost will be interesting
if you had like every episode available to

786
00:55:01.480 --> 00:55:05.400
you. It's not a good it's
not a good binge watch, but like

787
00:55:05.440 --> 00:55:07.480
that, like the last episode.
The reason I watched it yesterday at like

788
00:55:08.239 --> 00:55:12.679
eleven PM is because I really wanted
to know what the next scene would have

789
00:55:12.719 --> 00:55:15.159
been after the episode two that I
watched. So I do encourage people to

790
00:55:15.199 --> 00:55:19.960
like watch it as it's coming out
if you can, have you never watched

791
00:55:20.199 --> 00:55:23.679
the original, or it's been so
long that you like barely remember anything.

792
00:55:23.840 --> 00:55:28.679
Is it's something you can pick up? Yes it is. But that's where

793
00:55:28.719 --> 00:55:31.159
some of the writing awkwardness comes in, especially in episode one, because they

794
00:55:31.559 --> 00:55:37.360
do try and reintroduce characters or mind
characters or tell new people who these characters

795
00:55:37.360 --> 00:55:40.440
are. So it'll do something like
cyclops, what you're doing. He's like,

796
00:55:40.519 --> 00:55:45.119
my eyes hurt because this Ladies is
coming out of it like that kind

797
00:55:45.199 --> 00:55:47.159
of thing, or like my name
is morph. I can turn into anyone,

798
00:55:47.360 --> 00:55:51.320
but no one that I can love
me A bunch of people who have

799
00:55:51.320 --> 00:55:54.480
known each other for years. They
have to like reintroduce themselves, like so

800
00:55:54.559 --> 00:55:59.679
you'll have characters saying their full name
for some reason, Hello, it's me

801
00:55:59.719 --> 00:56:05.280
Hank McCoy exactly. So they have
that element of it and it's like clunky

802
00:56:05.320 --> 00:56:10.960
in episode one, but it's over
after Episode one is largely fine and the

803
00:56:12.440 --> 00:56:20.920
dynamics are sold. Episode two is
quite something. It is like a a

804
00:56:21.000 --> 00:56:27.480
recent American event that has been very
controversial is used as a a touch point

805
00:56:27.519 --> 00:56:36.840
in it, which is really the
X Men storm the capital. Yes,

806
00:56:39.599 --> 00:56:45.440
I didn't see your face. It's
like I just basically that is exactly what

807
00:56:45.480 --> 00:56:54.559
happens. But yeah, it's it's
really good, very surprising. I'm surprised

808
00:56:54.559 --> 00:56:58.000
at how good it is and I'm
okay, cool, I'm back. And

809
00:56:58.039 --> 00:57:00.719
also like they do that they are
like build holding off that world of the

810
00:57:00.760 --> 00:57:06.840
original because like Bishop is around and
he's like he comes in midway I think

811
00:57:06.840 --> 00:57:09.920
through the series because they go to
like the days of future past era where

812
00:57:09.960 --> 00:57:14.679
cables knock around and Bishop as well, and he's about in the new series

813
00:57:14.719 --> 00:57:19.559
because I think they ended with him
being in their timeline. But it's really

814
00:57:19.599 --> 00:57:22.960
really cool. I am surprised at
how much I'm enjoying it cool. Yeah,

815
00:57:23.000 --> 00:57:27.119
I wasn't sure if I was gonna
check it out, but maybe recommend

816
00:57:28.599 --> 00:57:31.719
Disney. Plus Yeah, it's also
got the cheesiness of the nineties in it,

817
00:57:31.880 --> 00:57:37.000
which surprisingly okay. The way they
behave is like they've written it to

818
00:57:37.039 --> 00:57:39.679
be from that era in any way
it feels authentic as opposed to like trying

819
00:57:39.719 --> 00:57:44.119
to not trying to be that way. There's like an awkwardness to some characters.

820
00:57:44.199 --> 00:57:47.079
Jubileese are still a bit weird,
which is very niceties. They thrown

821
00:57:47.079 --> 00:57:52.519
a couple off model shots maybe yes, yeah, they do like that that

822
00:57:52.519 --> 00:57:54.599
that joint looks a bit weird.
Why is it like that? Or And

823
00:57:54.639 --> 00:57:59.079
the only thing that really sticks out
as something that I'm like, not struggling

824
00:57:59.119 --> 00:58:01.159
with but like it can occasionally pull
me out, And it's only because,

825
00:58:01.239 --> 00:58:06.679
like I watched so much of the
original is the voices are different. Jennifer

826
00:58:06.719 --> 00:58:09.280
Hale is Jean Gray, which makes
perfect sense because she played Gen Gray in

827
00:58:09.880 --> 00:58:14.400
Marvel versus Capcom, which is probably
the best version of her in a long

828
00:58:14.440 --> 00:58:20.119
time for me. But the guy
who's playing Wolverine is it's doing that voice.

829
00:58:20.239 --> 00:58:23.760
It's a nat Steve Blum. I
don't think it is. But at

830
00:58:23.760 --> 00:58:28.159
the very least, it doesn't sound
like how I remember that version of He

831
00:58:28.239 --> 00:58:30.920
sounds like he's trying to do that. There are moments where he sounds exactly

832
00:58:31.079 --> 00:58:36.519
like it, but it's not consistent. Scott sounds exactly like you would think

833
00:58:36.519 --> 00:58:37.760
he sounds, but there's a couple
of others that are a bit weird.

834
00:58:38.800 --> 00:58:43.119
I remember you sounding a little different
and a little better before, but it

835
00:58:43.159 --> 00:58:46.559
could be like rose tinted glasses.
Sure, well, cool, all right,

836
00:58:46.800 --> 00:58:52.000
make a video game based on that
version of it. God give that

837
00:58:52.039 --> 00:58:59.039
to way Forward and let them make
the new X Men ninety seven's so good.

838
00:58:59.239 --> 00:59:04.760
That would be really early cool.
But keep the welcome to Die quote

839
00:59:04.760 --> 00:59:07.320
in there. One. Yeah,
there's no way they wouldn't. Yeah,

840
00:59:07.400 --> 00:59:14.079
yeah, then not achievemental pop up? Well cool, all right, I

841
00:59:15.239 --> 00:59:22.320
think that's a podcast. Is a
podcast, the whole thing. So yeah,

842
00:59:22.639 --> 00:59:25.679
look forward to that from Lucy early
next week. I can write the

843
00:59:25.719 --> 00:59:29.960
cool things. Yeah, so do
you know we're getting a Pets behind Closed

844
00:59:30.000 --> 00:59:34.960
Doors. We can talk about that
now because the left right, Oh yeah,

845
00:59:34.960 --> 00:59:37.239
cool, it's it's ridicol Okay,
it seems ridical. Well, we

846
00:59:37.280 --> 00:59:42.480
didn't touch it. I'm just like
we saw behind closed Doors. Yeah,

847
00:59:42.480 --> 00:59:46.480
everything. It seems like fun Com
is basically looking at every because all of

848
00:59:46.519 --> 00:59:51.639
the MMOs haven't been like Crazy World
of Warcraft successful, but they've each had

849
00:59:51.719 --> 00:59:55.519
something interesting in it that sets it
apart. The exect Sliders, Yeah,

850
00:59:57.119 --> 00:59:59.800
sliders, And I feel like they've
got to the point now whether like if

851
00:59:59.840 --> 01:00:02.320
we take all of those cool ideas
and put me in one game in the

852
01:00:02.400 --> 01:00:07.119
Dune universe, that is a great
game that is going to be a decent

853
01:00:07.159 --> 01:00:08.920
game to play, And it seems
like that's what they're doing now. They

854
01:00:08.920 --> 01:00:13.519
have like a it's a survival mmo, so you have a survival phase on

855
01:00:13.639 --> 01:00:20.000
Oracus, and then there's a there's
a political phase, which is like it

856
01:00:20.119 --> 01:00:22.280
kind of sounds like grass. Yes, they took a lot of Yeah,

857
01:00:22.280 --> 01:00:27.159
they were like Russ is important part
of it, and it's collaborative and stuff

858
01:00:27.199 --> 01:00:29.719
like that as well, because I
like the idea of Russ. But playing

859
01:00:29.800 --> 01:00:32.079
Rust is probably one of the most
miserable experience I've ever had in my life.

860
01:00:32.239 --> 01:00:37.559
Yeah, there's like an area where
like it gets wiped every week because

861
01:00:37.559 --> 01:00:40.880
of sandstorms. Oh yeah, the
PvP area. There's one like that's the

862
01:00:40.920 --> 01:00:45.760
massive that's where the giant sandworm appears, only because they needed to create a

863
01:00:45.800 --> 01:00:50.519
massive space for it. You try
halude and then in the other places you

864
01:00:50.599 --> 01:00:53.400
get the smaller sandworms, which are
still pretty big and will kill you.

865
01:00:53.400 --> 01:00:58.760
Can't you cannot them. They are
working on that. They said, great,

866
01:00:59.239 --> 01:01:02.199
so yeah it's and there's all this
like you have to conserve water.

867
01:01:02.440 --> 01:01:06.880
I did this. Yeah, yeah, still suits, and you should make

868
01:01:06.920 --> 01:01:09.440
it like Star Wars galaxies, where
like it's really hard to write, like

869
01:01:09.480 --> 01:01:13.960
only one person can like ride a
sandward amount of time. I think they

870
01:01:13.960 --> 01:01:16.639
will do that because it is They
are like, like it's got enough like

871
01:01:17.199 --> 01:01:21.559
restrictions on how you can, Like
if you move around in the sun,

872
01:01:21.679 --> 01:01:25.599
you rapidly will lose like water and
you have to Yeah, you get heat

873
01:01:25.639 --> 01:01:30.000
stroke. You try and stay in
the shadows, and if there's a sandstorm

874
01:01:30.000 --> 01:01:32.800
coming like and you're not away from
it, you will die and the only

875
01:01:32.800 --> 01:01:37.400
way to like chance of survival is
finding a strong enough outcropping of rocks to

876
01:01:37.480 --> 01:01:42.320
hide behind or something like that.
But it looks really cool based on what

877
01:01:42.360 --> 01:01:45.000
we've seen so far, and for
the most part, those fun coms like

878
01:01:45.119 --> 01:01:49.639
MMOs, people say they're good play
them. They just don't have that kind

879
01:01:49.639 --> 01:01:53.320
of crazy staying power that people expect
from MMOs to be. Yeah, that's

880
01:01:53.360 --> 01:01:55.719
kind of felt about the con In
one, like, yeah, was neat

881
01:01:55.760 --> 01:01:59.880
but didn't stick with it. Yeah. I played a little bit of Conan

882
01:02:00.039 --> 01:02:01.639
and it was it was fun,
but it was just it is pretty brutal.

883
01:02:01.760 --> 01:02:04.360
It was just like, all right, I died. I don't really

884
01:02:04.400 --> 01:02:09.480
want to do all this welcome unity
speak you up, please, I gotta

885
01:02:09.519 --> 01:02:13.079
go write this thing. Okay,
all right, we'll look forward to that

886
01:02:13.119 --> 01:02:17.000
from Lucy Jake. Anything you want
to quickly plug? Oh, the Wild

887
01:02:17.000 --> 01:02:21.440
Bastard's preview from GDC is now after. If you want to listen to some

888
01:02:21.440 --> 01:02:22.559
more focused thoughts on that. I
know he talked about it on the podcast

889
01:02:22.599 --> 01:02:28.280
last night last night last week,
but it's there. That's it. Excellent

890
01:02:28.320 --> 01:02:30.480
Tam. Anything you want to plug? Uh no, okay, cool,

891
01:02:30.480 --> 01:02:32.559
I don't have anything I want to
plug you there, Let's get out of

892
01:02:32.559 --> 01:02:36.440
here. Thank you everyone for listening
and I'll see you all. An excellent

893
01:02:37.039 --> 01:02:38.519
Tam, get that out trouble for
me. Thank you,