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around the O'Kelly effect. We are
live here on guess what, the second

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day of November. I have many
attempts to go live this week and we

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haven't gotten there. Uh, but
but here it is Thor's Day, and

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happily I'm here with Mike Swanson,
the guy behind Wallstreet Window dot com.

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Be in the know. Go to
Wallstreet Window dot com. A lot of

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stuff over there, not just about
Wall Street. Also the author of Why

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the Vietnam War and The War State? Okay, two books that hey look,

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you might see them in the sidebars
there at o'celly dot com, especially

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that red book The War State,
highly recommended by me, and I am

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anxiously awaiting the next volume, which
Mike says to me he is going to

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be working on quite a bit in
the coming months. But we're going to

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talk about other stuff that Mike might
be working on within the next few weeks.

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He's got a presentation coming up.
We'll talk about that and a few

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other things. Meanwhile, what is
going on in the world. Well,

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are you allowed to have an opinion? Are you allowed to see things in

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a way outside of the box.
Are you supposed to only go to your

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assigned corners right your neutral corners?
As the fights go on in the world.

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Are you supposed to only be in
support of certain things? And you

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will be punished excessively otherwise? Indeed, that is true. And now I've

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got complaints coming in about the Friday
Night show, which are new new complaints.

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People giving me a lot of flak
for my opinion before now giving me

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flack for not giving opinions. Got
to love that. I'm trying real hard

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to make the Friday night shows fun
and I'm really really looking forward to what

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it is I'm going to talk with
Mike about in a moment, which is

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the Lancer Conference coming up the seventeenth
through the nineteenth of November. That's this

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November. That's a couple of weeks
away, and I'm taking a road trip

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with BPT. I'll be there live. If you want to see me,

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you can go to the Lorenzo Motel
in Dallas, and there are plenty of

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links on many of my podcasts,
so you can go if you like,

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and you can be there virtually if
you want as well. I'm gonna be

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the MC there and by the bye, last little announcement before I get into

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my conversation with Mike, I will
be on Coast to Coast AM live as

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a guest. I'm booked four November
eighteen, apparently ten pm to midnight Pacific.

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On the eighteenth of November. I'm
gonna be the JFK guy on Coast

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to Coast AM. I'll be talking
to Richard Saratt, which I'm really happy

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about. Happier to be talking to
Sarah than I am than I would be

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with Nori even and I've never done
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largest radio audience i'll I've ever been
in front of, So you know it's

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gonna be interesting. They're gonna get
to actually hear my opinions because we're going

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to be talking JFK that night,
and I'm real solid on that. It's

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not about politics, it's about evidence
there and guess what, it's going to

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be a lot of fun. So
I'll give you guys links to things like

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that and maybe we'll discuss it a
little more before I actually go live and

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go on that road trip, but
looking forward to it. So once again,

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the seventeenth of the nineteenth of November, I'll be at the Lancer Conference,

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Okay, the twenty twenty three Lancer
Conference, because it's been sixty years

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since JFK was assassinated. And I'll
be the MC for that event. And

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in the middle of that, on
the eighteenth, the night of the eighteenth,

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at ten pm Pacific time, I
will go live on coast to coast

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AM. So wanted to get those
things out there. And in the meantime,

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what am I doing surviving with the
ocell effect, the network, all

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of that good stuff. And one
of the reasons why I do is because

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of this guy, Mike Swanson.
Mike, I'm going to turn it over

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to you now that I've run my
mouth for a couple of minutes. And

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we went to the stream late.
Podcasters you don't care. You don't know

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what time we went to the stream, but we went live late. I

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had a little technical issue. But
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why not It's it's been a strange
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I know that you write stories about
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You put out stories, you distribute
news about geopolitical issues of all sorts,

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et cetera. But you are known
as a financial guy Wall Street window,

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after all, and you have focused
on that a lot in your media

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presentations and your content creation. And
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a strange landscape for you, just
like it is in politics, because I

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don't know, I'm getting these weird
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you know, the economy still sucks, but it's improving again. I'm

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hearing this crap just like I did
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You know, the economy is getting
better. The economy is getting better,

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and yet anybody I know is not
doing well, is struggling more and

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more, is having more of a
vice script put on them in the financial

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circumstances. Now. Again, I
don't know a lot of people who play

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the markets or who have you know, massive investments, etc. But you

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know those of us little people out
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gotta say, we're noticing. It
ain't getting any easier. Your paycheck's not

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going up, but the prices at
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want a roof over your head.
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yet I got a lot of people
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well, the economy's improving, this
and that is getting better. We're seeing

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greater job numbers, We're seeing stronger
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And I find the entire landscape really
confusing and disconnected from reality. But then

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again, isn't that the way the
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the map of what they call news. How do you observe this currently?

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I mean, is there sort of
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to the financial news, just like
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out there? I mean, do
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go against the tide? I mean, you're not supposed to say the American

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economy is in the toilet, even
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noise myself. But but then again, if you don't acknowledge it, what

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planet are you on? I mean, Mike, what do you have to

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say to stuff like that? Well, I've been producing less and less and

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less content about the stock market,
the economy, and that whole world.

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And one of the reasons why is
that sort of the situation you're talking about,

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I don't really you know, people
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they want to hear about ideas and
how to make money, trading a

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stock to buy and so forth.
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I don't really think it's going to
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mean, you know, one year, but for ten years. I don't

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think it's going to provide a big
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about it. And the only way
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want to trade the market to make
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these declines and buy low, which
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you have to wait for that opportunity. That's not what people want to hear.

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They wanted an idea right now,
and they've been in the financial mainstream

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media and the so called alternative media
have melded and become one over the past

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couple of years. It wasn't like
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in the year two thousand, year, twenty three years ago. Let me

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see if I got this straight.
Let me just see if I got this

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straight, Mike, because what it
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similar to what it is I've been
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that, you know what, if
I provide my real analysis to circumstances,

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whatever they may be, it's not
what people want to hear. What they

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want to hear right now from you
as a financial guy, is tell me

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what the secret stock is, Tell
me what the you know what that long

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shot surprise is going to be later
that other people didn't see coming. And

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other than that, if they want
to know, you know, stuff in

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the financial business world, then they
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opportunity is, not only for investment, but how do I position myself to

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benefit from it one way or another. It could be about what is the

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next trend in business? Right?
You know the online stores. The people

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that got ahead of that curve have
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Stuff like that. Right So,
even if you take a look at

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your YouTube commercials, I don't know
about you, but I'm getting inundated with

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I have the secret business. I'll
give you my book, I'll give you

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my seminar, but I've got the
secret business for you. I've got the

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secret bet for you. To place
one way or another financially, and that's

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really what a lot of people want
if your honest analysis is, look,

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this situation is kind of stagnant.
It's gonna be this way for a while,

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and what you're gonna have to do
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that's not exciting. That's like how
you're gonna make a movie about a

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war. Then when when the generals
are saying, what we need to do

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is hold our resources back and wait
for an opening. Yeah, yeah,

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exactly, exactly. And it's linked
to the way you describe the economic situation.

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But why is that not the message
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tell television or the alternative media in
a slightly different way, but both have

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messages of either the economy is just
booming and everything's good and everything's improving,

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and unemployments down and you gotta,
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it's a good time here. And
the people that are running the Federal Reserve,

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they tell you, are really masters
of what they're doing and are good

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at managing the situation for you,
or the alternative message would be we're on

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the edge of collapse and it's coming
next week. In reality, I think

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what's really happening is the current situation
of stagnant is the way to describe it

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is going to continue for years,
well, stagnation, and stagnation doesn't sell

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stagflation. That's it's almost like stagflation
won in the in the late seventies right

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well throughout the seventies pretty much.
That's that's what the good. You know,

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nothing's exactly no, it's not quite
a parallel, but it's similar the

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best parallel we got right now.
The funny part is describe it. What

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people want when it comes to content, whether it's on TV or it's in

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you know, newsletters or anything else, what they want is something that you're

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not offering. If you're gonna tell
them, look, it's stagnating, you're

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gonna have to be patient. Nobody
wants to hear that. So in the

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MSM, what they want is everything's
good. It's all fine, okay,

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no problems. We're actually getting better
things even though it looks bad out there.

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Guys, Really the secret is it's
actually good. The alternative side,

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right the outside the boxes in the
financial world, alternative people do some of

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them do that too, that same
message. They just hype it up more

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well, they try and stress timing
right. Well, for example, they

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won't simply say this is a good
economy or this is a good time.

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They will say, we're on the
edge of a technical revolution that's going to

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change everything, and AI is going
to change your life. And they were

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saying this about metaverse, they're saying
this about bitcoin, and this year they're

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saying this about AI and that's already
peaked out. As far as the stocks

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that were going up as part of
that, dope and marijuana was also a

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trend several years ago, and yeah, you saw marijuana, you know,

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legalization throughout the country, but they
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they just you know, all went
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So it's a lot of pump and
dump. And speaking of speaking of

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open games, speaking of hype and
games, something I've noticed is that you

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know what, I'm not seeing the
massive push on the robin hoods and the

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hey play these stock market home games. Well, robin hood has shifted its

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resources. So yeah, I don't
you know, have the exact figure right

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in front of me, but something
like twenty million people open up robinhood accounts

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in twenty twenty, and well over
half of those people wiped out. They're

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gone from the market, they're not
trading. More than half actually financial.

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They wipe their accounts out, and
it's there aren't a lot of new people

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getting into it because they don't have
this stivvy money, you know, like

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they did in twenty twenty. There
isn't this flock of young people new opening

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up new Robin accounts. So that
whole mania of trading is you know,

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behind us. So what Robinhood is
a company, has done, is shift

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from being a company where they want
you to open up brokerage accounts to a

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company that wants to feed customers credit
cards and make money off debt, create

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as many you know, people indebted
to them as they can, and then

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charge over twenty percent interest, just
like MasterCard and other you know credit card

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companies, and squeeze and squeeze and
squeezes people. And that's the new and

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the new robin Hood. Well,
see now that's going on. And I

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also see there is a trend again
in the you know, look we're outside

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the box. We're thinking, you
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see a trend in trying to get
people involved in and I don't think it's

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a poor idea either. Electronic transactions
of all sorts, right, get get

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behind PayPal, get behind you know, these independent banks, these other services,

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right, these things that offer you
the debit cards. You know,

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you see them all the time.
It's for Chime and Dave and whatever else.

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Right, these things, we're not
really a bank, but they're all

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a bank. They're all some kind
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That's how they got their visa MasterCard
logos. But they're stressing this idea

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of you can make money off of
the financial transactions because guess what, every

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time you move or use your money
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You open a card, you make
a deposit, you make a withdrawal,

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there's these fees. And I see
a little weird trend of get in on

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that part of the business because that's
universal, it's not dependent on a product

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or anything. Yeah, it's all
nonsense. The idea that these electronic transaction

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things are gonna create, you know, is revel or great economy YEP is

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probably one of the biggest hoaxes in
alterning me in our lifetime example, Well,

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what funny thing. Here's the funny
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you know, these are the same
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the future, and it is the
same people with the cryptocurrency, because they're

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saying, look, you can be
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Now it's so funny to me because
it was supposed to be way outside of

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the system. It was, you
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track, the governments couldn't control,
et cetera, et cetera. But now

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they're trying to push it as Look, you can be part of any of

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these transactions where you'll be able to
benefit, whether it's crypto or it's you

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know, regular currencies, or it's
people making trades get in on the money

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being made from the transactions themselves.
I'm not kidding, by the way,

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that this is one of those things
that people are pushing and I'm looking at

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it going wow, this is like
really, I mean, this is like

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after the vultures are done with the
carcass, somebody's going, look, there's

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still bones there to work with.
Let's go after the bones. I mean,

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that's what it looks like strategically to
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I mean, I'm not a money
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isn't it to see that this kind
of thing. So go ahead,

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you're saying this is a tremendous hoax, and this, by the way,

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still isn't the main topic we're going
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it's simple. I mean you just
use bitcoin as example. Let's say all

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other bitcoin was the only way to
do any transaction, all other currencies were

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wiped out, declared illegal, and
the only thing that existed was bitcoin,

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right, that's it, just bitcoin. Well, the whole economy will completely

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collapse if that was if bitcoin was
the only way to commit to transactions,

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the complete opposite of what the bitcoin
evangelists tell you. They'd say bitcoin will

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liberate you. Now, if bitcoin
was the only transaction and allowed, it

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would turn it would destroy the whole
world, the complete opposite of liberation.

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How is that possible? Well?
The flaw and there are in the bitcoin

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belief system is that every time a
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withdraw money, take money out,
use it to buy something, they you're

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charged. You're charged the fee for
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and so forth. Well, every
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every single time there's a transaction,
money is actually being taken out of the

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economy, out of your hands,
out of the hands of the other person,

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and the fee is being charged,
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going to these crypto exchanges. If
that was the only way to to do

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transactions within a week, you know, every time, you know, every

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time, the money supply of the
bitcoins would shrink, shrink, shrink,

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shrink, and eventually there'd be you
know, hardly any and people, you

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know, every every time you use
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and there and they make money.
Parasitism, I got, I got

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you. But then and the biggest
hoax that these people for you know,

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for some people. But it doesn't
matter, it's not going to take over,

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it's it's it's you know, why
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Mike, why I bring all these
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together at a really weird confluence because
the way I observe all other financial transactions

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at this point, every financial transaction
you make, okay, generally has a

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fee attached to it. Now those
fees are collected by the different just use

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cash. Well, but even if
you use cash in some places, Now,

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look, how are you gonna get
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have to withdraw it from an ATM, so you're gonna pay an ATM fee.

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Right, how do you get cash? You go to a bank.

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They charge you to cash checks.
Like in other words, it seems like

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everywhere you turn, it's not possible
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to somebody. Now as for where
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issue. But I mean these institutions
they charge you for like I'll give you

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it. For instance, if I
have money in my uh in my PayPal

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account right now, which is the
only thing I have because I don't use

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banks anymore. But if I go
to withdrawal and I have a card that's

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attached to my PayPal account, I'll
wind up paying the ATM people, I

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wind up paying a fee to PayPal, I wind up, you know what

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I'm saying, just to put the
cash in my hand. And it seems

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like everybody else I know who's working
with everything from credit unions to banks,

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to credit card companies, everything have
these fees attached to them. See that's

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why I brought up the thing about
these other people. It almost seems logical

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to me that, yes, indeed, there probably is a fortune to be

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made if you can tap into all
that, because they're collecting fifty cents a

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dollar this and that on all these
different transactions. Well, I mean,

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if there's three hundred million people and
you know each of them is making so

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many transactions so often, and you're
able to collect you know, ten cents

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on each of them, you will
get wealthy. If you can figure out

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a way to collect ten cents on
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dime at a time still, Right, But it's weird because it's not the

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way it's going to work. Because
these different institutions are collecting this stuff,

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they're shrinking the money that's in the
hands of the buying public, just like

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they're shrinking the cryptocurrency by charging these
fees when you make a transaction. Okay,

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in other words, the system still
remains the same. You still got

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to pay, right for them to
hold on to your money. You still

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got to pay for them to hold
on to your coin. You still got

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to pay for them to hold on
to it. You got to pay for

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them to move it. You got
to pay when you got to pay.

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So it sounds like a big hustle, It does, doesn't it. It

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sounds to me like exactly the situation
you try and get if you're a gangster

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in an area, if you've got
a small piece of everything going on,

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you know, sort of like black
Rock, they own a small piece of

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everything. Right, it's like the
way to go in order to make yourself

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extremely wealthy while just bleeding people a
tiny bit at a time. And that

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seems to be Look, and there's
only so many parasites that the body can

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take the whole of the system can
only take so many parasitic units here,

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so after a while people are gonna
actually have to do something outside of you

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know, just becoming the added extra
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eventually. Right, it seems like
there's too many parasites and not enough producers.

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Unless I'm reading it wrong, what
do you think of that? Or

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am I just nuts? Sounds like
a good description of what's happening, but

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it's frustrating. But I know nobody
wants to hear this either, so you

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know, but again, It's just
one of those things. Nobody wants my

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political opinion. Nobody wants me to
talk about the Paris yeas to tell them

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that you like a coin too,
and and buy this coin and we can

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all get rich. That's what the
and what the coins do? They go

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up and they crash. Well,
a couple of years ago they were encouraging

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everybody to start their own coins.
Remember that. I mean that was not

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too long ago. I mean you
and I literally could have started if we

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wanted to. We could have started
the Swanson Ocelli coin if we wanted right,

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or the Wall Street window coin,
right, and we could have just

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sold that. Now what do you
do with it? Well, for now,

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you can just make transactions with us, but we sell you the coin.

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We we collect a fee for that, and then we collect a fee

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when you use the coin. And
meanwhile, what is the coin actually worth?

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Right? That one thing we won't
be doing that. You mentioned the

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Answer conference. It's in two weeks
and said Dallas, right, people can

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go and see us in person.
I'll be giving a presentation Sunday morning.

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And I've got to That's what I'm
gonna start to work on, is getting

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that ready? Nice segue. By
the way, but yet I won't be

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talking about no no crypto, no
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We may talk about the history of
politics, political situations, uh, there

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in Lancer, and indeed we will
be getting together there. Uh. And

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I'm wondering what it is you're gonna
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the most interesting day, because that'll
be the day of the banquet and everything

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else, and that'll be the end
of the conference. Hopefully by then there'll

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have been a lot of interesting information
exchange. There's a huge list of people

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which I've promoted before and you can
definitely go to I'll give the link to

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people for the conference here with the
show notes, et cetera. But one

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thing that's good here is that we
won't be talking about that. We'll be

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into another controversy, a controversy here
what actually happened to the thirty fifth president?

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Which, by the way, do
you have a you know, a

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general idea that you want to share
now about your presentation or you want to

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hold it until the conference, Well, I kind of I have to.

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I mean, I kind of know
what I'm going to talk about, you

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know, I got to prepare it
and stuff, but I don't want to

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get too specific. I'll just say
that I'm going to talk about one of

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the things that's in the first book
I wrote. That's a document, but

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it's the most shocking JFK document I've
ever read. And I read it,

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you know, when I wrote that
book, and people just don't pay attention

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to it. That document in that
page, I don't. You know,

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thousands of people read the book,
but it's part of it, just they

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read right by it. But I'm
going to show that document, talk about

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it and some stuff about the Cuban
missile crisis that people overlook, and talk

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a little bit about the foreign policy
Kennedy and the arms race and so forth.

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So you'll be talking a bit about
the geopolitical circus. Yeah, that's

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really but one of the main thrusts
of it. But at the end,

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I'm going to share a document I've
told you about, I believe, but

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it's no one has seen it.
I have it. It's not even on

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the Mary Feral website. It's at
the JA. I got it from the

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JFK, the National Archives, but
it's not, you know, in the

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database available. So I had to
go. I had to request this so

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I may have the only copy outside
the archives. And this document has to

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do with the motor Kave, the
Dallas Police, and president incial security,

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right, and I think people will
find it very interesting at the conference and

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this and I'm going to present that
at the end because the next speaker is

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after me is bart Camp, who's
he does a lot about the Dallas Police.

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So right, I'm trying to you
know, I'm the first presentation that

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morning, so I'm going to try
to set up the people that speak after

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me. Gotcha. I think I
just got a copy of his book.

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By the way, somebody sent me
a copy of Uh. Yeah, I've

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read one hundred pages of it.
I haven't Yeah, I only just cracked

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it open and looked at the introduction
so far. I just got it.

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So uh but his whole thing,
and I'm skeptical on this prayer man thing

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that he's going to talk about.
But apparently he's going to give a presentation

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that's going to lay out a whole
bunch of stuff about the circumstances that day,

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you know, regarding the assassination,
where people were, what was going

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on. Yeah, well it's I
don't really personally care about this prayer man

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thing which is very fuzzy, like
dark. You can't you know the person

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standing in the doorway. You can't
tell who it is from looking at the

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picture. Did you get a physical
copy of the book, Yeah, okay,

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So the front cover of the book
tells you the story of what you're

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looking at. It's really I don't
know what you're supposed to see that in

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that look. But I don't personally
care but about it one way or the

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other. But the book has a
timeline. Half the book goes into it

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is just the timeline of what happens
after Oswald's arrested and his dealings with the

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police, and there the evidence they
collect. So I'm that's what I'm really

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interested in, is that half of
the book. But the part about the

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prayer Man. He's going through and
describing all the people, you know,

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what the people said that were in
the Texas School Book Depository building, what

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they testified to the Warren Commission,
and they gave statements to the FBI and

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other statements. You know, so
these different people and that in itself,

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you know, I'm learning, you
know, it's making me think about that

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stuff again. And I just say
one thing about it, which I didn't

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really realize maybe I just missed it. But the people at that doorway standing

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outside, and most of the people
even inside the building. Now I haven't

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gotten to the witnesses of the three
black men that were in the floor below

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where Oswald supposedly was, but the
people on the lower floor at least,

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and the people standing around on the
outsid side, they thought that the shots

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were coming from the overpass, the
grassy noise area, and walked in that

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direction immediately after the shooting. Yeah, with the exception of Harold Norman,

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who had always said that he thought
he heard, you know, the noise

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coming from above his head. Yeah, you know, And that's one of

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those guys. So you're talking about
what is a junior Uh yeah, yeah,

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Junior Jarman and uh and Harold Norman
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then there's another one whose name escapes
me at this very moment. But well,

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let me qualify what I said that
the people that were standing outside of

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the doorway, they didn't see Kennedy
shot from their vantage point. They saw

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them go by, and all of
them thought it was firecrackers or something,

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and then then the the that that
was the first shot. They thought all

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of them thought was fireworks or firecrackers, and then the next two some of

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them thought were gunshots. And they
thought it was coming not from the building,

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you know, they thought it was
from in front of you know,

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from in front of them somewhere.
Well, when we go to Dallas,

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When we go to Dallas, I
definitely planned. I mean, look,

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you and I when we went there
in twenty seventeen. Yeah, if you

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guys look at the little short film
I put together. Mike is holding the

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camera when I'm standing in that doorway
actually, and I say, oh,

408
00:31:29.839 --> 00:31:33.839
in my Oswald standing in the doorway, I'm making jokes. But from that

409
00:31:33.000 --> 00:31:37.119
vantage point, I mean, I'm
going to revisit it and take a look

410
00:31:37.160 --> 00:31:40.839
at it and probably film that vantage
point to show people what it is they

411
00:31:40.880 --> 00:31:45.799
would have been looking at effectively.
But I just wonder, yeah, if

412
00:31:45.319 --> 00:31:52.400
how could you know, if they're
standing right there, why wouldn't they really

413
00:31:52.440 --> 00:31:56.960
hear the gunfire from coming above them? If it was coming from above them?

414
00:31:57.559 --> 00:32:01.119
Well, again, it's look,
it's not a simple you know,

415
00:32:02.200 --> 00:32:06.359
if you're in a real world circumstance, Mike, see, this is always

416
00:32:06.359 --> 00:32:08.279
the weird arguments about this stuff.
And by the way, I hope he

417
00:32:08.319 --> 00:32:12.119
goes through the whole thing in the
book about the lineups and the way they

418
00:32:12.119 --> 00:32:15.000
conducted that stuff with Oswald, because
there is a whole story there that I

419
00:32:15.400 --> 00:32:19.759
swear to you. Oh yeah,
yeah, yeah, yeah, And I

420
00:32:20.160 --> 00:32:23.599
didn't or I didn't know, or
I forgot that. I know. They

421
00:32:23.640 --> 00:32:28.039
gave Fraser a hard time and tried
to get him to confess, right,

422
00:32:28.880 --> 00:32:35.119
But there is another employee that they
told to come to the police station.

423
00:32:35.400 --> 00:32:42.720
They detained the guy because he had
been a member of something some left wing

424
00:32:42.759 --> 00:32:49.319
group years ago, of some left
wing veterans group, and they immediately were

425
00:32:49.359 --> 00:32:52.079
suspicious of him. No, they
had this guy detained. Yeah. No,

426
00:32:52.119 --> 00:32:54.359
there were three or four guys.
They didn't arrest them, but they

427
00:32:54.400 --> 00:32:58.240
detained him. Yeah, there were
three or four guys that were detained.

428
00:32:58.759 --> 00:33:01.359
One of them at first they thought
might have been intoxicated that they took in

429
00:33:02.000 --> 00:33:07.079
and then well this was an employee
of the building. Yeah yeah, yeah.

430
00:33:07.079 --> 00:33:12.480
But I'm just saying between that guy
and Frasier, and there was a

431
00:33:12.480 --> 00:33:15.920
bunch of people that were brought in
and they detained him under different circumstances for

432
00:33:15.960 --> 00:33:22.000
different reasons, and pretty much we're
pushing just about anybody to confess to something.

433
00:33:22.599 --> 00:33:25.680
Yeah, which is pretty wild when
you think about it, because the

434
00:33:27.079 --> 00:33:30.599
general story has always been, look, this is the only guy that we

435
00:33:30.680 --> 00:33:34.160
had in mind as Oswald. He's
the only guy was missing, you know

436
00:33:34.160 --> 00:33:36.920
what I mean, which is not
the true story if you take a look

437
00:33:36.920 --> 00:33:39.680
at the real world circumstances. But
once again, if you're in a crowd

438
00:33:39.799 --> 00:33:44.200
or you're in a situation. I
mean, let's just say you and I

439
00:33:44.319 --> 00:33:46.799
go to the conference, right,
You and I are there at the conference,

440
00:33:46.839 --> 00:33:52.000
we're focusing on presentations, this and
that. Now I go outside for

441
00:33:52.000 --> 00:33:53.960
a cigarette. Maybe you go outside
to talk with me, and something happens

442
00:33:54.000 --> 00:34:00.359
out on that street in real time. Just because you and I were there

443
00:34:00.480 --> 00:34:05.000
does not necessarily mean we're going to
be the best witnesses even you know,

444
00:34:05.160 --> 00:34:07.719
if a car accident occurs outside of
that hotel and I'm outside having it,

445
00:34:07.840 --> 00:34:10.159
you know, Okay, I go
outside to have a cigarette. We both

446
00:34:10.159 --> 00:34:14.440
take our cups of coffee outside.
Say it's Sunday morning, your presentation is

447
00:34:14.480 --> 00:34:16.719
done. I decide to go have
a cup of coffee and a cigarette.

448
00:34:17.000 --> 00:34:20.679
You come with me to have a
cup of coffee, and we're standing outside

449
00:34:20.679 --> 00:34:23.360
talking and a car wreck happens right
there on the street in front of us.

450
00:34:24.320 --> 00:34:29.000
We may be engaged in speaking with
one another. I'm drinking my coffee,

451
00:34:29.000 --> 00:34:31.559
having my cigarette, I'm handling things
in my pockets, whatever, and

452
00:34:31.679 --> 00:34:37.239
we might not even know exactly how
that car accident went down, which is

453
00:34:37.280 --> 00:34:39.519
a lot easier thing to track.
Then wait a minute, there's a noise.

454
00:34:39.760 --> 00:34:44.320
Is somebody shooting? What is that
noise? No, it's obvious that

455
00:34:44.360 --> 00:34:46.239
a car accident happens right in front
of you, right on the street.

456
00:34:46.800 --> 00:34:52.239
But I've seen circumstances where something like
that happens twenty feet from where somebody's standing

457
00:34:52.639 --> 00:34:57.760
and they don't know what the hell
happened. They're putting it together afterwards because

458
00:34:57.760 --> 00:35:00.679
they see the car is wrecked,
or this one's pushed over to the or

459
00:35:00.440 --> 00:35:04.119
But then you start asking them,
well, which one pulled out in front

460
00:35:04.119 --> 00:35:07.360
of which first? Did somebody leave
their lane? Did somebody swerve? Was

461
00:35:07.400 --> 00:35:10.840
the car coming from the opposite direct
And they don't know, you know why,

462
00:35:10.880 --> 00:35:16.559
because they weren't really paying attention to
that. Where their focus was might

463
00:35:16.639 --> 00:35:21.719
be a complete distraction, even if
it's twenty feet away, you know what

464
00:35:21.719 --> 00:35:23.719
I mean. So when you put
these things together, and people think about

465
00:35:23.719 --> 00:35:28.199
this absolute. Well, they saw
something that was, you know, extreme

466
00:35:28.239 --> 00:35:30.719
in history, and yes, that
means they felt the pressure to fill in

467
00:35:30.800 --> 00:35:37.320
the gaps, But it doesn't necessarily
mean that they observed everything. Even if

468
00:35:37.320 --> 00:35:40.480
they were outside watching the president go
by. They might have watched the president

469
00:35:40.559 --> 00:35:43.599
go by, they might have been
talking to somebody. Hey, man,

470
00:35:43.639 --> 00:35:45.719
that's pretty cool. Look at that. That's a big limo. Right,

471
00:35:45.159 --> 00:35:49.119
you turn, you look at your
friend, whatever, Hey, what's that

472
00:35:49.239 --> 00:35:52.679
noise? Just because they don't know
what direction it came from. You know,

473
00:35:52.719 --> 00:35:55.440
people point to this all the time
they knew or they didn't know.

474
00:35:57.119 --> 00:36:00.280
In real time, when people are
witnesses to stuff like this, it's never

475
00:36:00.360 --> 00:36:02.639
quite as black and white as people
want to make it out to be.

476
00:36:04.199 --> 00:36:09.639
It's very interesting to see not only
how those things were recorded and reported initially,

477
00:36:10.159 --> 00:36:14.239
but also how they changed over the
years too. Right, because you

478
00:36:14.320 --> 00:36:17.519
talked to somebody a year or two
later, you're gonna have different details.

479
00:36:17.719 --> 00:36:21.079
It's just a guarantee. Again,
it could be as simple as a car

480
00:36:21.119 --> 00:36:23.800
accident. It could be as simple
as did you know that somebody's dog got

481
00:36:23.800 --> 00:36:28.840
out of their yard. It doesn't
matter. They will fill in with new

482
00:36:28.840 --> 00:36:34.000
information and their stories will change,
so it's very important too. This is

483
00:36:34.039 --> 00:36:37.119
why they always try and collect stuff
immediately on the scene, right away,

484
00:36:37.159 --> 00:36:40.239
etc. And some things do require
thought. You need to sort it out,

485
00:36:40.280 --> 00:36:44.960
like, oh, I didn't realize
it until afterwards, But because this,

486
00:36:45.239 --> 00:36:47.719
that means that this happened, you
know, because I saw this,

487
00:36:47.880 --> 00:36:52.519
that means that that would have to
be the case. Etc. You start

488
00:36:52.559 --> 00:36:57.679
to reason with these things and work
with the information. But the initial information

489
00:36:57.760 --> 00:37:02.159
that you've absolutely collected is not necessarily
what you end up with, which is

490
00:37:02.360 --> 00:37:06.199
also very interesting. So that's why
it's always good to take a look at

491
00:37:06.239 --> 00:37:09.280
what was recorded initially, and then
you have the big questions, Right,

492
00:37:09.440 --> 00:37:15.280
did the Dallas Police record everything accurately? Did the Sheriff's Department, which is

493
00:37:15.320 --> 00:37:20.159
not the DPD, did they record
things accurately? What was the FBI recording

494
00:37:20.199 --> 00:37:22.840
and what didn't they record? Et
cetera. Right? What were these other

495
00:37:22.920 --> 00:37:30.119
people saying and seeing about what they
saw. It's a very interesting thing to

496
00:37:30.199 --> 00:37:32.639
lay out, So I hope our
focuses on that more than that photograph.

497
00:37:32.679 --> 00:37:37.760
But but prayer Man, I am
quite skeptical on even though I see that

498
00:37:37.800 --> 00:37:42.480
Malcolm Blunt wrote the introduction and a
bunch of other things there, which,

499
00:37:42.519 --> 00:37:45.800
you know, give it some credibility
in my mind immediately. But I want

500
00:37:45.840 --> 00:37:49.639
to see what evidence he presents here, and I hope it's not just you

501
00:37:49.679 --> 00:37:57.360
know, the the notes from you
know, from the head of robbery homicide

502
00:37:57.400 --> 00:38:02.360
there, right, because that guy's
notes notoriously a mess. You know,

503
00:38:02.440 --> 00:38:06.119
Oh, I was outside with Bill
Shelley. Well when did he say that?

504
00:38:06.480 --> 00:38:10.039
And I've got a serious question about
that, based on Oswald's immediate utterances,

505
00:38:10.320 --> 00:38:15.480
you know, immediate outcries to the
media that day, things he was

506
00:38:15.519 --> 00:38:20.480
saying. And also, let's not
forget a guy who's in custody might not

507
00:38:20.599 --> 00:38:24.599
tell the entire truth just because various
reasons fill in the blank. There's a

508
00:38:24.639 --> 00:38:30.519
whole lot in play here regarding this
whole situation. And I got to tell

509
00:38:30.559 --> 00:38:36.119
you, in real time things are
not exactly, you know, as they

510
00:38:36.199 --> 00:38:38.760
seem. And certainly when people have
sixty years now to keep looking back on

511
00:38:38.800 --> 00:38:44.239
stuff, the way the lens through
which we observe it is definitely not the

512
00:38:44.280 --> 00:38:47.719
same as somebody who saw it five
minutes ago in nineteen sixty three, you

513
00:38:47.760 --> 00:38:52.480
know what I mean. So there's
a lot there to be considered, collected,

514
00:38:52.559 --> 00:38:55.639
examined, and analyzed. Anyways,
Mike, that's some interesting stuff.

515
00:38:55.679 --> 00:39:00.840
I'm looking forward to your presentation on
the Cold War. I'd love it if

516
00:39:00.880 --> 00:39:02.639
you could send me a copy of
that document again, because I'm not sure

517
00:39:02.639 --> 00:39:07.000
which one you're referring to. Actually, off the top of my head,

518
00:39:07.000 --> 00:39:10.239
that's that's the most shocking, you
know, I've been through so many documents

519
00:39:10.360 --> 00:39:13.920
lately. You're still with me,
Mike. Did I put you to h

520
00:39:14.000 --> 00:39:15.840
Yeah, I listened to I'm sorry
I thought I put you to sleep there.

521
00:39:16.199 --> 00:39:19.599
Because here I go be it and
I won't be long winded at the

522
00:39:19.639 --> 00:39:22.239
conference. I'm not giving a presentation, so I am going to be on

523
00:39:22.280 --> 00:39:25.719
a couple of panels. Are you
joining a panel also at the conference,

524
00:39:25.760 --> 00:39:30.280
Mike, I'm not listed to be
all one, but okay, well,

525
00:39:30.360 --> 00:39:32.480
I don't know, maybe you'll end
up joining one. I think I'm going

526
00:39:32.519 --> 00:39:37.559
to join the one for the Walker
shooting, which is really interesting. I

527
00:39:37.599 --> 00:39:40.000
don't know if you'd taken a look
at the stuff that because Greg Duden is

528
00:39:40.039 --> 00:39:46.199
going to be there, I don't
know. I mean I read something in

529
00:39:46.239 --> 00:39:52.320
the past year that's I think it's
him. Someone re examining the Walker shooting,

530
00:39:52.360 --> 00:39:57.239
and they're pausing that Oswald may have
been with someone. You know,

531
00:39:57.719 --> 00:40:06.360
they have strong evidence that someone was
involved that was one of Walker's assistance.

532
00:40:06.480 --> 00:40:08.239
Is that what you're referring to is
that I don't know. Yeah, there's

533
00:40:09.239 --> 00:40:13.280
that part of it. Yes,
And and he tracked down, you know

534
00:40:13.360 --> 00:40:15.400
what with these cars that nobody knew
where they came from. He tracked all

535
00:40:15.440 --> 00:40:20.639
stuff down, very good stuff.
It's new information on the Walker shooting,

536
00:40:21.639 --> 00:40:24.639
which I find extremely fascinating. So
you know, there's gonna be a lot

537
00:40:24.639 --> 00:40:29.159
of new information. And uh,
hey that that guy Alex too is going

538
00:40:29.239 --> 00:40:31.960
to be there. Alex Harris,
who was the youngest presenter I've ever heard

539
00:40:32.000 --> 00:40:35.840
of at a conference. But I
got to tell you I talked to him

540
00:40:35.880 --> 00:40:39.679
privately and I talked to him on
the show. He's got a pretty good

541
00:40:39.719 --> 00:40:45.360
grasp of the photographic evidence. Uh
you know, it's difficult, you know,

542
00:40:45.719 --> 00:40:51.440
go ahead, Yeah, guys,
what are you gonna say? Just

543
00:40:51.559 --> 00:40:55.760
that? Uh, general Walker,
he is a more I'm not trying to

544
00:40:59.480 --> 00:41:04.679
he was a more important figure than
people realize. Oh. Absolutely, you

545
00:41:04.719 --> 00:41:07.559
know during that time, I'm not
not to say I believe you had something

546
00:41:07.559 --> 00:41:15.440
to do with assassination. I don't, but you know, he was all

547
00:41:15.480 --> 00:41:21.039
in the news, especially in the
Dallas area. I mean he was he

548
00:41:21.119 --> 00:41:24.199
was on the cover Time magazine.
Yeah, a public figure, you know,

549
00:41:24.320 --> 00:41:30.800
I mean he was an important figure. And the thing about it,

550
00:41:30.440 --> 00:41:36.960
I didn't know this until a year
or two ago reading reading a book about

551
00:41:37.840 --> 00:41:42.159
different right wing activists in the nineteen
sixties. I actually talked about it on

552
00:41:42.199 --> 00:41:49.360
your show. But the Kenny administration
what it got in there. The Birchers

553
00:41:50.119 --> 00:41:55.000
and other right wing groups that similar
to them were vehemently opposed to the Kenny

554
00:41:55.000 --> 00:42:02.639
administration, and a lot of the
people in their soles were retired generals such

555
00:42:02.639 --> 00:42:09.679
as General Walker, not active duty, but retired. And there were a

556
00:42:09.719 --> 00:42:22.599
series of newspaper articles about this and
the Kenny administration actually being concerned about Bircher

557
00:42:22.000 --> 00:42:29.400
influence inside the military, so that
this was actually a big issue that goes

558
00:42:29.440 --> 00:42:36.320
beyond just General Walker. He was
just the most significant, uh figure in

559
00:42:36.360 --> 00:42:40.559
it that became the most well known, So that there's a whole side storied

560
00:42:40.599 --> 00:42:44.840
all that then that that really they
always seen it seemed new knew about this.

561
00:42:45.400 --> 00:42:47.920
I always seen it mentioned or talked
about, and this this one book

562
00:42:47.960 --> 00:42:52.840
I read you know, right right, No, But that's the thing is

563
00:42:52.880 --> 00:42:55.760
that, look, he's a much
more significant figure at the time, publicly

564
00:42:55.800 --> 00:43:00.559
well known, uh certainly a voice
that was being heard in certain political circles,

565
00:43:00.800 --> 00:43:05.639
and he was a significant figure that
Yeah, at one point somebody took

566
00:43:05.639 --> 00:43:09.280
a shot at him. That was
the story that was floated. And it

567
00:43:09.440 --> 00:43:13.880
is possible, you know, in
my mind, it's possible that that could

568
00:43:13.920 --> 00:43:17.480
have been staged in order. Well, it's very very likely because the thing

569
00:43:17.519 --> 00:43:22.480
about Walker is he was also like
I guess a bubble. You know,

570
00:43:23.639 --> 00:43:31.760
he when he retired, she was
going to run for president, right,

571
00:43:32.239 --> 00:43:38.199
he thought, And he gave a
speech in Dallas. He was getting donations

572
00:43:38.199 --> 00:43:46.360
from Jeall Hunt, Clint Murchison and
other people that you know donated to Jose

573
00:43:46.440 --> 00:43:52.079
McCarthy, and they like MacArthur,
you know, they wanted they wanted MacArthur

574
00:43:52.119 --> 00:43:54.320
to run for president. He didn't
do it, and now they're wanting Walker

575
00:43:54.360 --> 00:44:00.559
to run. And Walker gave a
speech in the Dallas auditorium and it was

576
00:44:00.639 --> 00:44:07.360
awful, Like the audience, you
know, wasn't impressed. And after that

577
00:44:07.440 --> 00:44:12.960
speech they kind of saw, you
know, this guy's I can run for

578
00:44:13.039 --> 00:44:21.239
president. And then he testified to
Congress, and the same thing happened.

579
00:44:21.239 --> 00:44:24.559
He just came off as a as
a fool, right, he was saying

580
00:44:24.559 --> 00:44:30.440
stuff about communists in the in the
military, and and it just didn't come

581
00:44:30.480 --> 00:44:40.960
off credible. And so after those
two appearances, his political star or there

582
00:44:40.960 --> 00:44:46.760
were any chance of running for office
or you know, doing anything in that

583
00:44:46.880 --> 00:44:53.440
sense, just collapsed. And they
shifted Merchison and the Hunt h Hunt and

584
00:44:53.480 --> 00:45:01.639
so forth. They shifted their resources
to supporting the congressmen, and that served

585
00:45:01.679 --> 00:45:07.039
the Dallas area. I can't remember
his name, but he became at the

586
00:45:07.159 --> 00:45:13.800
time a significant You're not not nowhere
like General Walker. The way he taught

587
00:45:14.239 --> 00:45:19.679
he started, you know that that
whole Walker John Birch mess John Birch's side

588
00:45:19.719 --> 00:45:25.880
type message or was really derivative Justin
McCarthy. And it had peaked out really

589
00:45:27.320 --> 00:45:35.400
already by nineteen before nineteen sixty.
So Walker was on the downslope of that

590
00:45:35.639 --> 00:45:43.480
type of ideology or messaging. But
he was trending down among people that were

591
00:45:43.519 --> 00:45:45.559
sympathetic to or on the right hand
side of the equation. But but he

592
00:45:45.800 --> 00:45:51.960
he what he what he had left
were the remnants, you know, it

593
00:45:52.079 --> 00:45:57.199
was still a movement of people.
They just they were just the idea of

594
00:45:57.280 --> 00:46:01.480
them getting real political power was long
on and but they, you know,

595
00:46:02.320 --> 00:46:12.159
they're still Billy James Hargas a wholest
network of speakers that he got speaking network

596
00:46:12.239 --> 00:46:19.519
he got onto h is by the
time he was shot or shot at that's

597
00:46:19.559 --> 00:46:22.519
what he was doing. And I
think he was, you know, very

598
00:46:22.719 --> 00:46:30.920
likely easily probably was a publicity stunt
or something because it happened just as his

599
00:46:30.079 --> 00:46:35.159
political career collapsed. Right, It
seems like it was the kind of thing

600
00:46:35.199 --> 00:46:37.719
they we're trying to get a resurgence
out of it, Like, in other

601
00:46:37.760 --> 00:46:39.719
words, let's do a little publicity
stunt. We can get interest again.

602
00:46:39.840 --> 00:46:44.440
People are actually taking you as some
sort of threat, so you can play

603
00:46:44.480 --> 00:46:46.039
the game of hey, look I'm
a big threat. They tried to shoot

604
00:46:46.119 --> 00:46:50.320
me, uh, you know kind
of thing, and that's what it looks

605
00:46:50.400 --> 00:46:54.119
like. Yeah, and he,
you know, he remained a figure in

606
00:46:54.199 --> 00:47:00.239
the in the circles, and Billy
James Hargas was was huge. He was

607
00:47:00.280 --> 00:47:05.719
the guy that kind of first popularized
the idea that rock and roll music wasn't

608
00:47:05.760 --> 00:47:10.679
the devil. He was selling pamphlets
and he had a I don't remember you

609
00:47:10.760 --> 00:47:17.400
know, the big subscription newsletter.
I mean tens of thousands of people subscribing

610
00:47:17.440 --> 00:47:22.840
to it. It's like a magazine
promoting this. And he was the first

611
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person that did that. He was
a real pioneer in right wing fundamentalist evangelism

612
00:47:29.559 --> 00:47:34.760
before fallwell on, some of these
other characters would sit they were simply copying

613
00:47:34.840 --> 00:47:38.719
some of his messages and making it
shiny and better. You know, he

614
00:47:38.840 --> 00:47:45.559
had Hargus had his falls and a
personal in his personal life. Him and

615
00:47:46.760 --> 00:47:52.679
Walker were like comrades and arms.
You know, Hargus gotten a sex scanner

616
00:47:52.760 --> 00:48:00.559
with a boy, so like David
Ferry stuff. But there This is what

617
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goes on a lot of times with
these guys that are in you know,

618
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sort of the extreme end of the
pool. And this was culture wars,

619
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you know, long before we had
the Internet and stuff. People blamed the

620
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Internet for it, but no,
we had the the culture war of Look,

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the decadent American society is collapsing and
destroying the family. This kind of

622
00:48:17.119 --> 00:48:22.760
stuff. I mean, everybody from
Rush Limbaugh to you know DeSantis now have

623
00:48:22.920 --> 00:48:25.800
benefited in one way or another from
the groundwork laid by these guys. Yeah,

624
00:48:25.840 --> 00:48:30.800
they just say this is just a
copy of what stuff Billy James Hargas

625
00:48:30.960 --> 00:48:32.880
was doing, right, just a
little more palatable, a little more acceptable,

626
00:48:32.920 --> 00:48:38.079
you know, the messages well perhaps, but you know, like we

627
00:48:38.199 --> 00:48:44.440
were talking about the Republican debate,
his presentation skills are dismal. Yeah,

628
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I can't believe this guy is a
governor, much less running for president.

629
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He can't present anything well. I
mean, it just comes off as a

630
00:48:53.039 --> 00:48:57.440
big phoney. If you put him
on a stage all by himself, though,

631
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and you put some legitimate, you
know, symbology around him, he

632
00:49:00.880 --> 00:49:04.480
comes off a little better. You
put him up yeah, you put him

633
00:49:04.559 --> 00:49:07.119
up there with other people, though, forget it. It's a mess.

634
00:49:07.519 --> 00:49:12.320
But kind of like if you took
a picture of Biden, like a still

635
00:49:12.360 --> 00:49:16.079
photo of Biden, it just played
music. Yeah, yeah, maybe you'd

636
00:49:16.079 --> 00:49:20.239
get inspired, it'd be all right, right, But if you actually watch

637
00:49:20.360 --> 00:49:22.000
him and everything, you go,
Okay, this guy looks a little shaky.

638
00:49:22.719 --> 00:49:25.960
That's that's what happens. You put
DeSantis on a stage with other people

639
00:49:27.000 --> 00:49:29.519
and here it goes, you know, and at the same time, he's

640
00:49:29.599 --> 00:49:32.119
he's having to play this game of
I'm an outsider, but I'm also you

641
00:49:32.199 --> 00:49:35.840
know, I'm part of the establishment. But I'm not part of the established

642
00:49:36.960 --> 00:49:39.320
torture guy. See, that's the
weird thing to me is I can't I

643
00:49:40.159 --> 00:49:45.199
can't reason through something. Yeah,
all lawyer for well, he was like,

644
00:49:45.639 --> 00:49:50.519
I don't remember what it was.
He was working for military intelligence stuff,

645
00:49:50.559 --> 00:49:52.880
what I understand, But yeah,
point to the fact that he was

646
00:49:52.960 --> 00:49:57.159
a veteran, which he was,
and et cetera, et cetera. But

647
00:49:57.320 --> 00:50:00.920
it's a it's a tangled web once
you start to get into all of it,

648
00:50:00.480 --> 00:50:04.159
and you can see how well he's
doing, not well at all.

649
00:50:04.760 --> 00:50:07.559
And who keeps rising, the guy
who keeps having to go to court,

650
00:50:07.639 --> 00:50:09.480
the guy whose kids were on the
stand the past couple of days. Right,

651
00:50:09.880 --> 00:50:14.320
this is the guy who's rising in
the political arena right now in the

652
00:50:14.360 --> 00:50:17.000
Republican Party. And he hasn't had
to rise, He hasn't had to show

653
00:50:17.079 --> 00:50:21.320
up for a debate. He just
is the heir apparent, right Trump.

654
00:50:21.440 --> 00:50:24.639
Well, when you look at the
toilet bowl of American politics, I guess

655
00:50:24.719 --> 00:50:30.800
the turds float to the top.
There you go, So we'll leave it

656
00:50:30.880 --> 00:50:35.519
at that. Mike Swanson, Wallstreet
Window dot Com. The turds float to

657
00:50:35.599 --> 00:50:38.039
the top is his final word for
this one. But Mike, we will

658
00:50:38.119 --> 00:50:43.559
probably will not speak again until after
the conference, but we'll steak at the

659
00:50:43.639 --> 00:50:46.199
conference and hopefully I'll get a video
short of you or two while I'm there.

660
00:50:47.280 --> 00:50:52.239
But again, guys, Wallstreet Window
dot Com, the books the War

661
00:50:52.400 --> 00:50:55.440
State, also Why the Vietnam War, and possibly this year. Michael,

662
00:50:57.119 --> 00:51:00.559
when do you think you're gonna have
the second volume available? Think before the

663
00:51:00.679 --> 00:51:05.159
end of the year twenty four or
what sometime next year? Hopefully sometime in

664
00:51:05.239 --> 00:51:07.199
twenty four. Look for the next
volume in the Why the Vietnam War.

665
00:51:07.880 --> 00:51:12.840
Uh, you know set that I
think is a planned three volume set.

666
00:51:13.280 --> 00:51:15.639
Mike Swanson, author Wallstreet Window dot
Com. Be in the no go to

667
00:51:15.719 --> 00:51:20.599
Wall Street Window. And I'm gonna
do a final little segment here on the

668
00:51:20.639 --> 00:51:23.400
Ocelli effect. Stick around. We're
gonna talk about the future of things coming

669
00:51:23.519 --> 00:51:44.320
up after the conference. Wallstreet Window
dot dot Gold, Silver, the stock

670
00:51:44.440 --> 00:51:51.599
Market, Wall Street Window, dott
Perhaps you're invested with deeply, Perhaps you're

671
00:51:51.639 --> 00:51:55.639
not in deep enough. Maybe you're
thinking about getting started Wall Street Windows dot

672
00:51:55.760 --> 00:52:00.719
Com, Doo dot Com. Michael
Swanson, the brilliant author of the War

673
00:52:00.840 --> 00:52:05.519
State, understood these trends professionally for
many years. And now he gives you

674
00:52:05.599 --> 00:52:14.159
the benefit of his knowledge. Wall
Stream dot go there, now go there,

675
00:52:14.360 --> 00:52:20.719
now go there now dot Com Radio, go ahead. Call it the

676
00:52:20.760 --> 00:52:22.519
truth about the Dave Hey assassination.
Right, well, what do you want

677
00:52:22.559 --> 00:52:28.159
to know Daddy Baker's wild claim Oswald
girlfriends he knew Ruby and Barry hands the

678
00:52:28.280 --> 00:52:30.159
weapons. Really, I imagine I
could claim I have four wheels. It

679
00:52:30.199 --> 00:52:35.159
doesn't make me a wagon. But
okayal on the building and I'm trying to

680
00:52:35.199 --> 00:52:37.400
prevent the murder of John Kennedy.
Come on now has a real effort on

681
00:52:37.480 --> 00:52:44.559
the day of pay ASSASSINATIONIM Go to
Amazon dot com, enter Judith Baker in

682
00:52:44.719 --> 00:52:47.280
her own words. You'll get the
results for a digital copy of a book

683
00:52:47.360 --> 00:52:52.119
where Walt Brown utilizes her own words
and the known evidence in the case to

684
00:52:52.639 --> 00:52:58.400
get at well a different perspective.
Let's say you can get Judith Barry Baker

685
00:52:58.519 --> 00:53:02.599
in her own words from the author
himself signed if you request it by contacting

686
00:53:02.679 --> 00:53:08.199
doctor Brown at kias jfk at aol
dot com. It's a fun book and

687
00:53:08.239 --> 00:53:15.239
it actually dissects the many, many
fantastic claims Judith Barry Baker in her own

688
00:53:15.320 --> 00:53:21.800
words than information the war State by
Michael Swanson explains the great national transformation that

689
00:53:21.880 --> 00:53:24.639
took place and put the Kennedy presidency
in the context of the times, and

690
00:53:24.800 --> 00:53:30.119
reveals never before published information about the
Cuban missile crisis. President Kennedy would not

691
00:53:30.239 --> 00:53:35.679
have been assassinated if he had been
president two hundred years ago. His assassination

692
00:53:35.880 --> 00:53:38.400
took place in the context of the
Cold War and the rise of the national

693
00:53:38.480 --> 00:53:43.880
security state. Before World War II, the United States was a continental republic.

694
00:53:44.280 --> 00:53:47.239
In the decade that followed, it
became an imperial superpower. Generals such

695
00:53:47.280 --> 00:53:52.199
as Curtis LeMay not only wanted to
invade Cuba, but knew that there were

696
00:53:52.239 --> 00:53:55.639
short range missiles on the island arn't
with nuclear warheads that they could not destroy

697
00:53:55.760 --> 00:54:00.440
because they were on mobile launchers.
Their invasion could have led to a Third

698
00:54:00.519 --> 00:54:04.840
World War, and they wanted to
go to war anyway. The War State

699
00:54:04.960 --> 00:54:08.559
by Michael Swanson reveals why and will
show you what President Kennedy was up against.

700
00:54:08.840 --> 00:54:14.079
For more information, The War State
dot com, oh, Chili dot

701
00:54:14.239 --> 00:54:16.400
com, if youse expressed by callers, tools or anyone else who happens to

702
00:54:16.400 --> 00:54:20.079
get on the air of Jelly dot
com. If not necessarily reflect the views

703
00:54:20.119 --> 00:54:22.679
of Jelly dot Com or Chilly,
and we are not responsible for any stupidity

704
00:54:22.679 --> 00:54:29.360
which might ensue. Thank you,
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705
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with Air Strikes and Tanks by Larry
Hancock. Secret wars became a staple of

706
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US covert operations and are still happening
today. Larry Hancock's book In Denial rips

707
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the cover off many of them,
using new files. It exposes things about

708
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the Bay of Pigs that no one
has ever written about before. It shows

709
00:54:49.480 --> 00:54:52.039
why it really failed and why the
United States did not earn from it.

710
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It also shows why other countries today
are doing secret operations with more success.

711
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This is the book that puts but
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In Denial, Secret Wars with Air
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more information, go to Larry hyphen
Handcock dot com. Pick up your copy

714
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of In Denial at Amazon dot com
in digital or physical. Going to Chuck

715
00:55:31.599 --> 00:55:44.440
O'Kelly, So the second segment of
the O'Kelly Effect. Here on a Thursday

716
00:55:44.519 --> 00:55:46.800
night, and Mike Swanson was with
me for about an hour. I expected

717
00:55:46.840 --> 00:55:51.039
it to be with me for forty
five minutes, but he went a little

718
00:55:51.119 --> 00:55:55.559
longer. Anyway, I am just
doing this little segment to let you guys

719
00:55:55.880 --> 00:55:59.880
know, here's what the plan is. I have this idea to do the

720
00:56:00.239 --> 00:56:05.079
magic bullet and indeed I did acquire
some of these bullet shaped thumb drives,

721
00:56:05.639 --> 00:56:09.159
so I was going to put my
entire archive on these bullet shaped thumb drives.

722
00:56:09.239 --> 00:56:15.280
However, I'm thinking that there might
be a more accessible way to make

723
00:56:15.400 --> 00:56:20.840
this available for supporters of the show. So if you're somebody who's been signed

724
00:56:20.880 --> 00:56:25.960
up for membership at Ocelli dot com
or you've made a donation and you want

725
00:56:27.000 --> 00:56:29.280
to be added to a list,
here's what we're going to do for the

726
00:56:29.320 --> 00:56:34.000
rest of twenty twenty three is we're
going to collect up a list of individuals

727
00:56:34.480 --> 00:56:38.280
who have made contributions, who have
decided that they want to support the Ocelli

728
00:56:38.280 --> 00:56:44.079
Effect and the ocell Radio network.
And over the course of twenty twenty four,

729
00:56:44.320 --> 00:56:47.079
as you continue to support the network, I'm going to send out ZIP

730
00:56:47.119 --> 00:56:54.159
folders to everybody on an email list, and you'll get the entire archive,

731
00:56:54.280 --> 00:57:00.280
the Entireocelli dot Com archive over the
course of the year. So the more

732
00:57:00.360 --> 00:57:04.440
you chip in with support, the
more likely you are to be included on

733
00:57:04.599 --> 00:57:08.519
the email lists. Okay, And
what I'll do is keep track of which

734
00:57:08.599 --> 00:57:13.840
ones you get each one of the
folders. There are many, many folders,

735
00:57:14.000 --> 00:57:17.480
many gigs of podcasts, and I
will send them to you and you

736
00:57:17.559 --> 00:57:22.079
could take them and download them and
keep them and end up with the entirety

737
00:57:22.119 --> 00:57:24.800
of the archive if you support us
through the year of twenty twenty four.

738
00:57:25.960 --> 00:57:30.639
So if you do that and you
want to be added to that list,

739
00:57:30.800 --> 00:57:35.880
what you got to do is send
me an email to info at ohelly dot

740
00:57:35.960 --> 00:57:40.480
com, make donations and things like
that, and let me know that that's

741
00:57:40.519 --> 00:57:44.280
what you want. You want to
be included on that email list, And

742
00:57:44.400 --> 00:57:51.480
in January, I will begin sending
out the entire archive, which means you'll

743
00:57:51.559 --> 00:57:54.360
end up with about five thousand podcasts
at the end of the year. If

744
00:57:54.400 --> 00:57:59.840
you get on the list immediately,
you'll end up with about five thousand podcasts

745
00:58:00.039 --> 00:58:04.599
all the stuff I've done that I
have copies of, and all the stuff

746
00:58:04.639 --> 00:58:07.840
I produced over the ten year time
period that the ocell effect has existed,

747
00:58:08.440 --> 00:58:13.760
So you'll get the entire first decade
of all the work. If you're a

748
00:58:13.840 --> 00:58:17.440
supporter over the course of twenty twenty
four. So you can begin by making,

749
00:58:17.519 --> 00:58:22.960
say a a twenty dollars donation something
like that, and continue to make

750
00:58:22.000 --> 00:58:25.039
small donations throughout the year, and
I'll keep you on that email list.

751
00:58:25.440 --> 00:58:29.880
If you want to make one bigger
donation, you can do that. There

752
00:58:30.000 --> 00:58:34.039
is a link for PayPal at the
top of the website at ocelli dot com.

753
00:58:34.840 --> 00:58:37.880
There is a tip jar on the
link tree, and all you gotta

754
00:58:37.920 --> 00:58:44.280
do is make a donation and let
me know in your donation in the message

755
00:58:44.480 --> 00:58:47.679
or through an email that you want
to be on that list. And throughout

756
00:58:47.760 --> 00:58:52.519
twenty twenty four, I will send
out the first ten years of the work

757
00:58:52.719 --> 00:58:58.360
that is the o'celly effect and the
ocell Radio Network. So I will make

758
00:58:58.400 --> 00:59:00.639
it available to all of you guys, and then you can do with it

759
00:59:00.719 --> 00:59:05.639
what you want. You want to
share it, you want to download it

760
00:59:05.719 --> 00:59:07.239
to your own device. If you
want me to send you one of these

761
00:59:07.280 --> 00:59:10.119
magic bullets, we can arrange for
that. I'll send you the bullet shaped

762
00:59:10.559 --> 00:59:15.239
thumb drive if you like, and
you can put it all on your own

763
00:59:15.559 --> 00:59:20.840
magic bullet, save it yourself,
store it where you want to get another

764
00:59:21.000 --> 00:59:23.360
jump drive whatever you want to do
with it, or you can just listen

765
00:59:23.400 --> 00:59:27.320
to them and discard them as you
go, keep the ones that you like

766
00:59:27.440 --> 00:59:30.119
and discard the stuff you don't.
Because there is a lot in that history.

767
00:59:30.159 --> 00:59:34.679
I covered a lot of live news
events as they were occurring. I

768
00:59:35.239 --> 00:59:37.960
had gone over many many books with
many different authors, different films that were

769
00:59:37.960 --> 00:59:43.719
being created, documentaries, other types
of films, etc. And then I

770
00:59:43.840 --> 00:59:50.159
produced a variety of other shows over
the course of ten years. So I'm

771
00:59:50.199 --> 00:59:52.920
going to include all of that in
these zip holders and just bring them to

772
00:59:53.039 --> 00:59:58.360
the supporters of the network. So
either you can sign up for membership at

773
00:59:58.400 --> 01:00:02.159
o'chelly dot com and indicate to me
that you want to be included on that

774
01:00:02.639 --> 01:00:07.920
monthly email, and you'll get zip
folders sent to you monthly zip folders,

775
01:00:08.599 --> 01:00:14.000
some of them a couple of gigabytes
deep. All right, I'm going to

776
01:00:14.079 --> 01:00:15.599
have to delete them as I go, Like each month, I'll leave them

777
01:00:15.679 --> 01:00:19.519
up there. You'll have to download
them and do with them what you want

778
01:00:19.599 --> 01:00:22.920
for that month, and then the
following month. Each month, in other

779
01:00:22.960 --> 01:00:27.719
words, there'll be a new entry
of new ZIP folders giving you the archives.

780
01:00:28.320 --> 01:00:31.599
I'll also include the graphics if you
like, but that'll be a separate

781
01:00:31.639 --> 01:00:35.199
thing. We're going to try and
just get the audio out to you,

782
01:00:35.840 --> 01:00:40.480
so you get all the MP three's
for the entirety of the decade. Starting

783
01:00:40.519 --> 01:00:44.559
in twenty thirteen. When I started
recording this and I had no idea what

784
01:00:44.639 --> 01:00:46.960
I was going to do with the
podcast, I called the Ocelly Effect.

785
01:00:47.960 --> 01:00:52.679
Shortly thereafter, I got on a
network and started recording them regularly live,

786
01:00:52.440 --> 01:00:58.480
taking callers and all that kind of
stuff from the beginning, and yeah,

787
01:00:58.559 --> 01:01:00.280
you'll be able to go through the
entire history. A lot of people have

788
01:01:00.400 --> 01:01:07.719
passed away that made presentations on there, some interesting activists, journalists, people

789
01:01:07.800 --> 01:01:10.639
that were witnesses to things that were
occurring at that time, or witnesses to

790
01:01:10.800 --> 01:01:17.360
history, everything from the RFK assassination
JFK witnesses, you know, people that

791
01:01:17.440 --> 01:01:22.480
were there when there was that crazy
mass shooting in Canada, people that had

792
01:01:22.519 --> 01:01:30.360
witnessed other events nine to eleven,
obviously various historical events, people that witnessed

793
01:01:30.400 --> 01:01:32.400
them, people that analyzed them,
people that wrote about them, people that

794
01:01:32.519 --> 01:01:37.079
made films about them, people that
did YouTube channels, other broadcasters. Over

795
01:01:37.119 --> 01:01:42.000
the years, many people came and
went, some people might still be around,

796
01:01:42.480 --> 01:01:45.960
some people have retired. Others are
bigger names than you might imagine,

797
01:01:46.039 --> 01:01:51.599
some of them smaller names that you
might have forgotten about. And you'll get

798
01:01:51.679 --> 01:01:55.159
the entire history of the OCEL effect. So from the very first again those

799
01:01:55.280 --> 01:02:01.199
rough podcasts that I made privately with
missus O as my to the first live

800
01:02:01.280 --> 01:02:07.480
broadcast which I did with Joan Mellon
in February of twenty fourteen. Because we

801
01:02:07.719 --> 01:02:09.440
just got a few things done in
twenty thirteen, and I don't even have

802
01:02:09.559 --> 01:02:14.239
all the original podcasts. I've only
got like three out of five. But

803
01:02:14.320 --> 01:02:19.199
I'll send those to you and you'll
get that whole first couple of years.

804
01:02:19.320 --> 01:02:23.320
Actually in the first month, you'll
probably get twenty fifteen and twenty fourteen and

805
01:02:23.360 --> 01:02:28.280
twenty thirteen, probably all in the
first month. But after that, you

806
01:02:28.360 --> 01:02:30.880
know, sometimes it got a lot
more dense because I was doing this five

807
01:02:30.960 --> 01:02:35.320
nights a week for a long time. Sometimes I did three nights a week.

808
01:02:36.440 --> 01:02:39.800
Initially I started with just Saturday nights, and there were a lot of

809
01:02:39.880 --> 01:02:45.320
side programs and guest appearances that will
also include so you know, when I

810
01:02:45.440 --> 01:02:49.239
was on the Network's Round Table show, which today I try and preserve as

811
01:02:49.679 --> 01:02:52.880
my own little round table show,
the call in show on Friday nights.

812
01:02:53.280 --> 01:02:57.639
There used to be on Saturday nights
when I only did my show on Saturdays.

813
01:02:58.639 --> 01:03:00.760
There was a round table show on
you TV that I used to do

814
01:03:00.880 --> 01:03:05.519
all the time. It's called After
the Last Cup because the first show of

815
01:03:05.599 --> 01:03:09.000
the day was before the first cup, and that was about coffee regarding the

816
01:03:09.440 --> 01:03:13.360
day's events, right on the network, and that was the end of the

817
01:03:13.400 --> 01:03:15.800
week show. And I was often
invited on there, and I used to

818
01:03:15.880 --> 01:03:22.639
join it a lot and did.
Basically, I've almost always responded to any

819
01:03:22.679 --> 01:03:29.039
request to do somebody else's podcasts and
somebody else's broadcasts, so various radio appearances

820
01:03:29.079 --> 01:03:31.519
and things over the years, some
of them more fun than others. The

821
01:03:31.599 --> 01:03:38.519
JFK specials I participated in. All
that stuff will be included in this audio

822
01:03:38.880 --> 01:03:44.199
archive that again, it'll take you
the whole year to collect because I can

823
01:03:44.280 --> 01:03:47.199
only send so much at a time
via email, and I'll be clogging up

824
01:03:47.239 --> 01:03:52.679
my Google Drive with these things on
a monthly basis. But that's what I'm

825
01:03:52.719 --> 01:03:55.320
gonna do, is during the first
week of each month in twenty twenty four,

826
01:03:57.000 --> 01:03:59.519
if you are a signed up supporter
at the site, and you have

827
01:03:59.599 --> 01:04:03.039
indicated that you want to be on
that email list, I will send you

828
01:04:03.320 --> 01:04:10.760
the entire ten years worth of the
Ocelli Effect at Ocelli dot Com Radio directly

829
01:04:10.880 --> 01:04:14.840
to you in your email box,
and then you'll have to download the folder

830
01:04:15.400 --> 01:04:17.599
and like I said, store it
where you like it used to be.

831
01:04:17.679 --> 01:04:21.440
And I think you can still do
this with the Apple stuff. You can

832
01:04:21.519 --> 01:04:27.559
import it into your your iTunes or
Apple Music or whatever it is they're calling

833
01:04:27.719 --> 01:04:30.280
that that program. Now. I
think you could just import the uh,

834
01:04:31.119 --> 01:04:34.079
you know, the these these podcasts
straight into it and it'll keep them for

835
01:04:34.199 --> 01:04:38.800
you. I don't think you'll be
able to store all this on a phone,

836
01:04:39.519 --> 01:04:44.360
because I think it's something like,
I don't know, forty gigs worth

837
01:04:44.440 --> 01:04:49.599
of information. But you'll be able
to store it on a computer or various

838
01:04:49.679 --> 01:04:53.559
drives or like I said, the
bullet drive if you want it. It

839
01:04:53.639 --> 01:04:59.159
should hold the entirety of the of
the archive on the bullet drives that I

840
01:04:59.239 --> 01:05:01.559
have, But I only have handful
of those. Obviously, I'll get more

841
01:05:01.599 --> 01:05:04.000
of them if you really want the
Magic bullet But you can store these on

842
01:05:04.079 --> 01:05:09.440
any device you want. So that's
what's gonna happen is I'm going to make

843
01:05:09.480 --> 01:05:15.199
it so that memberships now atohelly dot
com will include your sign up for the

844
01:05:15.280 --> 01:05:18.800
monthly email for the entire year of
twenty twenty four, and this will be

845
01:05:18.840 --> 01:05:24.280
the only time I'm going to offer
the whole ten years worth of the archive

846
01:05:24.840 --> 01:05:28.840
that you'll have to get month by
month in twenty twenty four, which makes

847
01:05:28.880 --> 01:05:30.920
it easier because this way, you
know, you don't want to make a

848
01:05:30.960 --> 01:05:34.400
massive donation, and it would be
nice if I was giving you five thousand

849
01:05:34.519 --> 01:05:40.719
podcasts that you know I got something
for it more than twenty bucks. But

850
01:05:40.920 --> 01:05:43.360
if you support me for the whole
year, even if you just sign up

851
01:05:43.360 --> 01:05:45.320
for a membership and you indicate this
is what you want, or if you

852
01:05:45.400 --> 01:05:50.000
sign up at Patreon and you indicate
you want to be included on that email

853
01:05:50.440 --> 01:05:55.599
list in twenty twenty four, this
is what we're going to do going forward.

854
01:05:56.239 --> 01:05:58.440
That way, I don't have to
store it up on the internet,

855
01:05:58.639 --> 01:06:00.159
and you guys can do with it
what you like. You can share it,

856
01:06:00.719 --> 01:06:04.480
repost it. Hell I would encourage
you to post it on YouTube because

857
01:06:04.639 --> 01:06:09.360
I am attempting right now to kind
of covertly build a YouTube channel because they

858
01:06:09.400 --> 01:06:13.760
took that away from me. But
hell, post it on your own YouTube

859
01:06:13.800 --> 01:06:16.880
if you think you can get away
with it, you know, share it

860
01:06:16.960 --> 01:06:19.880
an attribute to where it came from. Tell people where it came from,

861
01:06:20.400 --> 01:06:25.400
point them to Ocelly dot com,
because that's the origin of the archive.

862
01:06:25.519 --> 01:06:29.679
Okay, and it is not available. This stuff is not available in its

863
01:06:29.840 --> 01:06:34.320
entirety anywhere on the Internet. So
that'll include all the age of transitions,

864
01:06:34.400 --> 01:06:40.440
trans resistor radio before that, Uncle, the uncle shows that I produced,

865
01:06:40.599 --> 01:06:46.159
the Jack Blood Show, the Jeffrey
Matt Show, Portkin's Policy Radio, okay,

866
01:06:46.599 --> 01:06:51.719
Dylan Wade's show, Popcorn Politics,
right, the various shows that I

867
01:06:51.800 --> 01:06:56.360
produced over the years. All of
that will be included in the archives,

868
01:06:57.440 --> 01:07:03.519
along with Bob Wilson and you know, our friend Chris Graves too. You

869
01:07:03.559 --> 01:07:06.519
know, we're gonna we're gonna include
all of those shows that I produced.

870
01:07:06.880 --> 01:07:11.519
And if you're on the mailing list, boom, you'll have them all all

871
01:07:11.639 --> 01:07:16.039
the ones that I retained, which
again is something like five thousand podcasts altogether.

872
01:07:16.400 --> 01:07:19.599
More than two thousand of them,
more than probably twenty two hundred of

873
01:07:19.639 --> 01:07:27.199
them now are are Ocelly Effect podcasts. But there's at least another you know,

874
01:07:27.440 --> 01:07:30.039
twenty five hundred or so that come
from other people, so well,

875
01:07:30.079 --> 01:07:34.199
over four thousand podcasts, no problem. Probably close to five thousand podcasts,

876
01:07:34.679 --> 01:07:42.159
plus guest appearances in other places.
Again, some radio shows more authorized than

877
01:07:42.239 --> 01:07:45.559
others. But I'm gonna share this
with you as supporters. So if you

878
01:07:45.679 --> 01:07:49.719
sign up for a membership at o'chelly
dot com and you stick with me month

879
01:07:49.760 --> 01:07:53.519
by month, you will be on
that list. All you gotta do is

880
01:07:53.599 --> 01:07:59.000
request to be on the email list. So tell me you want the archive

881
01:07:59.199 --> 01:08:02.280
in twenty twenty four, whether you
make a small donation or you make a

882
01:08:02.360 --> 01:08:05.960
large one, and you continue to
make your donations, just tell me I

883
01:08:06.039 --> 01:08:10.920
want to be included on the monthly
emails. And that's what's gonna happen.

884
01:08:11.480 --> 01:08:15.640
ZIP folders send to you loaded with
podcasts, And that's what I'm gonna do

885
01:08:15.760 --> 01:08:18.399
is I'm gonna spread the archive all
around, and once it's out there,

886
01:08:18.479 --> 01:08:21.880
it's out there. I'm not gonna
seek to monetize this again, it's just

887
01:08:21.960 --> 01:08:27.079
the first ten years, and who
knows what it'll look like, you know,

888
01:08:28.000 --> 01:08:31.279
when twenty twenty four is over,
who knows if I'll even stick around

889
01:08:31.319 --> 01:08:35.720
after year eleven right guests, We'll
have to see. We'll see if I

890
01:08:35.800 --> 01:08:41.640
survive. But long as I'm alive, you'll get a monthly email which you'll

891
01:08:42.159 --> 01:08:45.960
give you piece by piece, a
couple of gigs at a time, massive

892
01:08:46.119 --> 01:08:49.920
podcasts. So that's what I plan
on sending out throughout the month of twenty

893
01:08:50.159 --> 01:08:54.239
the year of twenty twenty four,
and that's what I would like people to

894
01:08:54.279 --> 01:08:57.119
sign up for. So we're gonna
put this on the front page, this

895
01:08:57.279 --> 01:09:00.560
podcast with Mike Swanson, and this
piece about me telling you about what I'm

896
01:09:00.560 --> 01:09:05.560
planning on doing, and hopefully as
people come to the site and learn,

897
01:09:05.720 --> 01:09:09.680
because there should be some new audience
from the fact that I'm going to be

898
01:09:09.760 --> 01:09:14.560
on Coast to Coast AM on the
eighteenth of November at ten pm Pacific time.

899
01:09:15.600 --> 01:09:17.479
According to the way I'm booked,
I should be there until midnight Pacific

900
01:09:18.119 --> 01:09:21.800
on the eighteenth of November this year. I'm hoping that there will be new

901
01:09:21.840 --> 01:09:26.600
interest, but anybody who was interested
in the stuff I've done in the past

902
01:09:27.560 --> 01:09:31.399
and do see that online. A
lot of my archive no longer exists.

903
01:09:31.840 --> 01:09:36.119
The various networks are gone, my
YouTube channel is gone, other archives have

904
01:09:36.279 --> 01:09:41.079
disappeared. Hell I wanted to put
this on archive dot org, and I

905
01:09:41.159 --> 01:09:45.600
had people working on that, but
that project has also collapsed due to people's

906
01:09:45.640 --> 01:09:49.479
health issues, and that job's not
going to get done either. So I

907
01:09:49.640 --> 01:09:54.239
say I'll hand it out to you, guys, those of you that truly

908
01:09:54.319 --> 01:09:58.720
support this, that have supported it, just get on the email list,

909
01:09:58.960 --> 01:10:01.640
send to me a message at infoodoelli
dot com. Let's just say you're signed

910
01:10:01.680 --> 01:10:04.159
on to the Patreon, which there's
only a handful of you that are,

911
01:10:05.000 --> 01:10:08.359
you know, not the guys that
are there for a dollar, although I

912
01:10:08.439 --> 01:10:14.319
appreciate you at a dollar. If
you're over there on Patreon and you're there

913
01:10:14.439 --> 01:10:17.399
for I don't know, say the
ten dollar amount something like that per month,

914
01:10:17.880 --> 01:10:21.560
you're absolutely entitled to. This is
stick around and stay on it and

915
01:10:21.720 --> 01:10:27.880
send me the email you want the
zipholders sent to. Okay, and also

916
01:10:28.039 --> 01:10:31.279
same thing if you're if you're a
subscriber at o'celli dot com, send me

917
01:10:31.880 --> 01:10:39.760
either at infoodoceelli dot com or blind
JFK researcher at gmail dot com. That's

918
01:10:39.800 --> 01:10:45.600
my personal email, Blind JFK researcher
at gmail dot com, which also is

919
01:10:45.680 --> 01:10:49.640
my PayPal address. You can indicate
to me there that you want to be

920
01:10:49.720 --> 01:10:56.359
included on the twenty twenty four archive
mailings, and every month, at the

921
01:10:56.399 --> 01:11:01.039
beginning of the month, I will
send out a massive archive as much as

922
01:11:01.079 --> 01:11:04.520
I can fit gigabytes wise, you
know, in my Google Drive at the

923
01:11:04.600 --> 01:11:09.640
time each month, and then I'll
delete the previous months, so you gotta

924
01:11:09.680 --> 01:11:13.039
download it and keep it for yourself. But that's the way this is going

925
01:11:13.119 --> 01:11:15.600
to go. Each month you'll have
a piece of the archive, and over

926
01:11:15.640 --> 01:11:20.239
the course of the year, you'll
have the whole first ten years, so

927
01:11:20.520 --> 01:11:26.319
easily one year has to go with
each month. Even though the first month

928
01:11:26.359 --> 01:11:28.960
I'll have a couple of years worth, there's going to be a couple of

929
01:11:29.880 --> 01:11:32.840
months that are not going to handle
the whole year gigabyte wise, But that's

930
01:11:32.880 --> 01:11:38.479
okay. We will get it all
out to you over the course of the

931
01:11:38.600 --> 01:11:42.840
twelve months of twenty twenty four.
So get on that email list if you

932
01:11:42.960 --> 01:11:45.119
are a supporter already. If not, sign up, get a membership at

933
01:11:45.119 --> 01:11:49.960
Ocelli dot com. I was thinking
of raising that membership, not to people

934
01:11:50.039 --> 01:11:53.920
that are already signed up, but
new sign ups. I think I am

935
01:11:54.000 --> 01:11:57.279
going to raise it to ten bucks
here and if you sign up for that

936
01:11:57.439 --> 01:12:01.119
ten dollars basic membership, then you're
entitled to not bad, by the way,

937
01:12:01.199 --> 01:12:05.359
if you pay one hundred and twenty
dollars for five thousand podcasts. Some

938
01:12:05.520 --> 01:12:09.439
of them, by the way,
never aired. There's a bunch of stuff

939
01:12:09.439 --> 01:12:15.439
that was never aired included in this
archive, the exclusives from previous years.

940
01:12:16.239 --> 01:12:21.159
All of that will be included with
these emails every month if you are a

941
01:12:21.199 --> 01:12:26.520
steady supporter at o'helly dot com.
So there you go. That's the way

942
01:12:26.560 --> 01:12:30.159
it's gonna go. I'm gonna change
the membership level before I go on coast

943
01:12:30.199 --> 01:12:32.720
to coast. I'm gonna change the
membership level to ten bucks a month.

944
01:12:33.119 --> 01:12:36.920
And I think one hundred and twenty
dollars for five thousand podcasts is not bad.

945
01:12:39.439 --> 01:12:43.239
But you'll have to capture them and
place them on your own devices at

946
01:12:43.359 --> 01:12:47.000
your will do what you want with
them. And that's that you'll have ten

947
01:12:47.239 --> 01:12:51.479
years worth of an archive that is
not available on the internet anywhere else,

948
01:12:51.880 --> 01:12:57.159
and you'll have it all to yourself
just for being a steady supporter throughout the

949
01:12:57.279 --> 01:13:03.000
year of twenty twenty four. And
with any look, this will help us

950
01:13:03.079 --> 01:13:06.680
expand and we'll be able to do
a lot more with the network, etc.

951
01:13:08.199 --> 01:13:10.640
So, you know, because I'm
struggling to figure out how to do

952
01:13:10.760 --> 01:13:14.560
the video platforms along with my regular
work. Along with I'd like to produce

953
01:13:14.560 --> 01:13:18.000
another show or two. Thankfully Aaron
is still sticking with me. I still

954
01:13:18.039 --> 01:13:21.680
have Uncle and Aaron with me.
But honestly, the comings and goings of

955
01:13:21.760 --> 01:13:27.479
other people have been very stressful and
problematic. So you know what, this

956
01:13:27.680 --> 01:13:29.479
is the way we're gonna do it. I'm gonna hand it to you,

957
01:13:29.640 --> 01:13:32.840
the supporters of the show. So
if you support o'celly, if you become

958
01:13:33.039 --> 01:13:38.199
the effect, you'll have the ten
years worth of the archive in your hands.

959
01:13:39.119 --> 01:13:41.880
And that way I don't have to
worry about whatever happens to it after

960
01:13:42.000 --> 01:13:45.359
I'm all gone and my website folds
up, because I'm sure if I drop

961
01:13:45.399 --> 01:13:48.399
dead, the website will go away, et cetera, et cetera. You'll

962
01:13:48.479 --> 01:13:53.920
have it. You'll have all the
work up to a certain point. So

963
01:13:54.039 --> 01:13:58.439
there it is. Get on there, supportocelly dot com, become a member,

964
01:13:58.920 --> 01:14:00.279
sign up on the patreo, on
whatever it is you want to do,

965
01:14:00.439 --> 01:14:04.199
and indicate to me that you want
to be included on the twenty twenty

966
01:14:04.319 --> 01:14:11.600
four mailing list, and you'll end
up with the entire archive the first ten

967
01:14:11.720 --> 01:14:15.199
years of the o'ceelly effect. And
there you have it, guys, So

968
01:14:15.359 --> 01:14:19.159
hopefully we've accomplished a little something tonight. I'm glad I got to speak with

969
01:14:19.199 --> 01:14:23.399
Mike Swanson. I'm glad I got
to speak with you guys afterwards, and

970
01:14:24.359 --> 01:14:28.119
we shall see what the future holds. I'm really anxiously looking forward to the

971
01:14:28.199 --> 01:14:32.399
Lancer Conference from the seventeenth to the
nineteenth of November twenty twenty three, coming

972
01:14:32.640 --> 01:14:36.880
right on up, and I'll be
departing from my road trip with my driver,

973
01:14:38.119 --> 01:14:42.640
my friend, my co host p
Pete on the fifteenth, so that'll

974
01:14:42.680 --> 01:14:44.840
be that. Let's see, does
that mean I get one more show?

975
01:14:44.960 --> 01:14:47.680
I think I get one more show
on a Friday night with Bpete after this,

976
01:14:48.560 --> 01:14:54.199
so we'll be doing the call in
show tomorrow night and all that good

977
01:14:54.239 --> 01:14:57.439
stuff. But in the meantime,
remember this, I am merely o'ceelly.

978
01:14:58.399 --> 01:15:02.000
All of you are the effect,
and you can be the effect by getting

979
01:15:02.079 --> 01:15:06.960
on and supporting us for twenty twenty
four and get on the mailing list.

980
01:15:08.279 --> 01:15:14.680
Blindjfkresearcher at gmail dot com, make
a donation, make a contribution, sign

981
01:15:14.760 --> 01:15:18.000
up for membership, sign up on
Patreon, and then indicate to me that

982
01:15:18.119 --> 01:15:24.319
you want to get the archives for
twenty twenty four, and you'll be included

983
01:15:24.359 --> 01:15:29.960
on the massive mailing list, the
twenty twenty four archive mailing list for oelly

984
01:15:30.039 --> 01:15:32.880
dot com radio. Anyway, no
matter who you are, where you are,

985
01:15:33.000 --> 01:15:35.479
when you are, I am merely
o'celly, and all of you,

986
01:15:36.079 --> 01:15:40.840
especially those that support me, are
the effect. Have a good night,