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Jerome, how are you doing tonight, my friend? I'm fine.
George, how are you? I'm doing well? And again I appreciate you
coming on to share your journey. And before we get started, UM,
let us go ahead and introduce yourself to the folks. Okay, UM,
my name is Jerome. I'll give my last name Wickworth. Um, I'm
from Detroit, Michigan. I've been awakened for approximately I would say thirteen fourteen
years. Now, UM, what else anything else? Well, that's that's
number one. That's quite a long time to be awake. That's that's great.
So that means since about twenty ten, was there a particular event that
caught your mind? A video, a person you you came across that help
you kind of wake up? Um? Actually it was a series of things.
And UM, not to put any thing or a person down, but
UM, the reason why, Um, even if Deacon j W. I
used to be a deacon in the in the church and I did something that
I tell everybody that they should do. I begin to read on my own
and when I begin to read, I saw things that you know, God
said that we should do that we wasn't doing. And that's how my journey
started. So I begin to ask, you know, God questions and like
who am I? What am I? You know? What am I to
do? Wherever? We go in and he answered those questions for me like
clear as day. And so when that happened, I began to look at
everything that the quote unquote, you know, Sunday Church kind of taught me
what's wrong, and I began to look at everything the government put out.
I began to I guess I became a conspiracy theorist. You know. Yeah,
that's the term the government would like us to use, right, But
what we really are is we're truth seekers, and yeah, the truth is
every thing. And it's interesting you mentioned that, Jerome, because well,
this episode I think is playing on the twenty eighth, my podcast from the
twenty first. In the afternoon, I did read some emails and we talked
about that little vessel on the bottom of the ocean. Someone mentioned a similar
thing about what you're talking about today. Text is very important, and I
think we've become kind of in a place now where we're okay to be told.
We learned things through videos, We learn things through you know, podcasts
like and that's why I always, at least once an episode, try to
say listen, not just to myself but to everyone, but research these things
for yourself. Use these little nuggets we give you as tools and then take
the time yourself to do the research and you verify for yourself. Don't ever
let anybody tell you what is true. Research for yourself. And I think
Jerome so your message. I will tell you, I've gotten a lot of
emails that are similar to yours. And I do believe that there are a
lot of good churches out there. I believe that you just gotta kind of
be careful. What are your thoughts on that? I would say that there
are a lot of people in those churches who want the truth, but because
you know a lot of them have fell in love with the pastor or whatever
that you know, they kind of don't know how to learn on their own.
You know, they're scared to go in research and read on their own
because you know, for some, for most the pastor has put in them.
You know, I only know the truth. You only get it from
me, you know. And and I say, but I think there's a
lot of people in those church and not the church itself, but a lot
of people in those churches who really want to know the truth but don't know
how to go about getting it. You know, I will tell you that
to a certain extent, I'm guilty of that. I've been in churches before,
and I pay very close. You know. As a child, I
remember being in church and listen to the sermon and be like, oh my
goodness. You know, twenty minute sermons seemed like four hours when you're a
child, right, But as an adult, you know, you pay real
attention, and sometimes the pastor says things. You kind of remember the wrestler
of the Rock. He'd lift his eyebrow up. You're like, what what
did you just say? And you know, I guess shame on me for
not you know, I guess sometimes I can encourage to a fault. I
think if we do find fault with doctrine, it's okay to have a chat
with the pastor afterwards. And I wouldn't say challenge him. Maybe that is
the right word. I don't know, But what's wrong with saying, hey,
you mentioned this, and then instead of just having a conversation, flip
opening to you know, Genesis one, verse fourteen and say do you see
what this says about the firmament or or things like that? What do you
say to that? Yes, I mean that's so I would actually I've done
that, like like when I left the church. I was attending our research
what's called the Constantine Creed. I don't know if you're familiar with that,
that research a lot of it. Is it the same one from four BC
during Constantine's rule, like around three twenty two, three twenty five excuse me
not a d Yes? Yes, after one, yes, sir, And
that's when if I'm not mistake, well, I'll let you tell you.
But is that where he kind of took Christianity and paganism kind of put him
together to please everyone? Yes? Yeah, absolutely, So when I when
I researched that, and I've researched a lot of other things, and I
gave my pastor a letter, I gave assistant past letters and told them that
then you look at these things, you know, because a lot of things
that they were taught and we were taught are not correct, and they didn't
want to hear none of it. So my last thing was when I got
the missions from them, from God, from the Father, that he get
out of there. And that's what I did. And I've never been back,
well and how long because I can resonate with you, you know,
I grew up in the church, was there for you know, the first
sixteen years of my life. And then we had a break in the church.
How long had you attended that church up until the time he left?
Um, I've attended that church for I believe four or five years. Okay,
how did how did they take it? Um? The well, the
pastor, he took it pretty much like, hey, well, hey,
do what you want to do. You know, um, um, we're
not going to hear that. You know, we're not gonna share that with
no one here, you know, we don't believe that. And so I'm
like, okay. But then the funny thing is a couple of years later
I ran, I ran into some of the uh the assistant pastor, and
they had switched up. We're not even telling me really, I was right,
Yes, that's incredible. Now, may I ask what you wrote in
that letter? What particular uh things did you did? You you know,
mention uh and that you kind of disagreed with. Yes, well, I
mentioned that first, that um and um the whole Catechism thing, you know,
I mentioned that that. You know, that was kind of like,
you know, Roman Catholic, you know, and not just saying anything wrong
about I'm trying not to trying to be as politically correct as I can understand,
but a lot of things in there, and like it's like it's really
a it's really kind of like coltish, like a coat. And when when
when I when I told him about the Constantine Creed, how you know everything
will switch and why while we go to church on Sunday? Is is what
Constantine did is he switched everything, you know, And because they were Sun
worshippers, so everything they did they put it on Sunday. You know.
That's why Father's Day is Sunday. We're just you know, technically the worship
of the Pope. You know, everything they did on Sunday, the solistic
is all that they moved to Sunday to Sunday worship, you know, and
they did they just didn't want no part of it. Yeah, that that's
incredible because you know it's funny. One of the kings and Princess Diana's children,
UM, not Harry, but the other one, UM he was born.
They actually um said it so he would be born on June the twenty
first, and the excuse was that Prince Charles said, I have a polo
game that weekend, so we're going to make sure it happens on this particular
date, but they actually induced labor and it was Yeah, Prince William was
born June twenty first, nineteen eighty two, So I find that interesting.
There is people don't understand that the people who push heliocentrism and these type of
things, the sun worship the summer solstice is a big day to them.
Oh yes, yes, yeah. I would just telling co workers today that
today is if you believe it, it's it's it's it's a good day and
a bad day at the same time, because it's supposed to bring in,
you know, the first day of summer, but it also the day that
the days get shorter, which we don't want. Right. Yeah, after
today it starts winding back down, they start to get shorter. So I'm
like, wow, but yeah, this sun worship, it's it's really like
I guess you have to be awakened to see it. I don't know how
else will explain it. Yeah, And it goes back to what you're saying.
Reading and there are a lot of tremendous books out there to read,
and I think I'm guilty as just as an expert as the next person.
I try, like, you know, we do a lot of work around
here, and I'll have an earbuton and I'll listen to podcast. But when
I find something that may be new to me, I will certainly listen to
that podcast or content creators thoughts and opinions, but I will note it down
on my notepad. And when I'm done for the day. Every night I
go back, I sit down, I look at my note paddle the notes
I've taken to do in the day, and I researched these things for myself,
and ninety nine times out of one hundred, I usually have at least
spent a few minutes researching these things before I hop on behind a microphone and
short start, you know, sharing these ideas. Because I try to be
very cognizant of the words that I speak, because words are very powerful,
right right, right, Because I also have a YouTube channel where I put
you know, videos and lessons on there, and I try to make sure
that whatever title or lesson I bring, I better know what it's talking about.
I better know everything about that subject before I put it out there.
Did you send me the link to that? I think I did. I'm
not sure about I think. If I did not, I will send it
to you. Yeah, please do so I can put it in the show
description so people can just drop down there and click on it. Okay,
yes, I get the will when when this is over, I'll send it
to you. Thanks. Is that something you do daily weekly? I just
I used to do it, like regularly about I do it? Only do
it now when I get like, um inspired, Okay, I'll see it.
Even it might inspire me to do a lesson, you know like that,
And you know what, I will tell you that's not a bad idea
because sometimes like if you say, hey, I'm going to do this every
week, and you know, maybe you're not in, you're in, you're
forced to do something like I know, sometimes inspired, I'm inspired to do
a podcast, and they turn out much better, even if they're not as
as thoughtfully prepared as if all right, I'm going to do the subject,
even though to me personally, that's not the most you know, interesting,
exciting subject, you know, not like I'm not exactly mailing it in.
But at the same time, I may not have the same passion, and
maybe or maybe not, it comes across, you know, in my voice,
So I think that's a great idea. Or maybe if someone needs to
hear it that way, that that particular one you never know. Yeah,
that's all all tremendous stuff. Let's if you don't mind, let's talk about
your journey to flat Earth. How did that work out for you? Oh?
That worked? Uh? I kind of knew, like I kind of
went back and forth before. Can I remember um? Like you know,
in school they told us that you know, Columbus, you know, sailed
and he was trying to find a new world, and they totally don't go
because you might fall off the end of the earth. Right, So never
I did get me thinking like like then, okay, the Earth it's hamps
to be flat then. And then, you know, the more I researched
that, I'm like, he really didn't go nowhere, you know, to
to see the earth for the thut or around That's right, you know then,
you know, as a kid, so as I got older, you
know, and I got more into the scriptures and everything, and I'm like,
the Earth's got to be because and you said something earlier, and this
is my go to Genesis one fourteen, it's the ultimate go to, you
know, and where he gave up the sun, moon, the stars,
you know, to count days and everything. Absolutely. A lot of the
scriptures you know, mentioned the firmament, you know, but people ignore it
because I don't think they know what the word firmament means, you know.
And I just I just knew that it can't be it can't be around because
a lot of stuff just didn't make sense, like who can measure the distance
from the Earth to the Sun and all that? Who who can do that?
I'm like, no one can do that, you know. And then
like I'm like, well, just common sense start to come in. Well,
if the if the sun is so big and bright, how come space's
dark? That is one of my six silver bullets as well. It makes
no sense, right, So then like you know, you kind of go
back and forth. Well, okay, well maybe it is round because the
sun has to go under and come back. Well where does it go?
So you start to okay, I'm back to flat. I'm back to round.
I'm back to flat. But ultimately, when when you go to the
scriptures, and like I said, and my go to is the moon,
like no one has ever seen the other side of the moon. So if
and like for instance, like if the Earth was round, like because um,
some of my friends we did we had friends that were right and Australia
somewhere, and we called them and said, can you see the moon?
Ye're like no, but we can see the moon here, you know.
But it's just that, right, My whole thing changed for me when I
said, I'm gonna believe God's word and that's it. If God's word is
wrong, that I'm wrong, but I'm rolling with God's word. Yeah.
And there's two things I'd like to take take away from that. Number one
is kind of just what you mentioned there, and we've kind of mentioned that
a few times before that you can't just start picking choosing, you know,
which scriptures are actual events and the other ones are just you know, you
know, old fables or whatever. But I think the other thing that I'm
not sure we talk enough about, and I'd like your opinion on this.
Maybe I'm I'm I'm wrong here, but I also think it's important that people
stick with the King James version because I think every time something gets translated,
it loses its meaning. And i'd noticed just kind of aking a genesis,
uh in particularly the first chapter, and you start clicking on other versions,
it can it can um kind of I'm not saying it's intentional, but it
can deceive people. Now I'll agree, but that's a butt Okay. I'll
agree that everyone should start with the King James Virgin because especially if you're if
you're still sleep a little bit, or you're just waking up, King James
Virgin is the go true version, but once you get some more studying under
your belt than you I believe, in just my opinion and what I've done
that I believe that because it was originally written in the Hebrew language, you
have to go to the Hebrew to understand exactly what it's talking about. Wow,
that's a that's a big step up, and that is quite a challenge.
How how did you learn that? Where are you self taught or um,
I'm not gonna say self taught, but just like you know, um
congregating with other people who have the same beliefs, who are awakened, you
know. And because the thing about the Hebrew language is in English, there's
only one meaning to a word, but in Hebrew that's like seven different meanings
in each word. And in the Hebrew. The Hebrew Scripture or or the
you know, the Bible was in Hebrew. It was written two Hebrews and
four Hebrews, and you know, so on and so forth. But the
reason a lot of people over here had that wrong is because they're trying to
put a Western philosophy or Western spin on an Eastern culture book and culture,
because you know, the Eastern culture is a farming culture and a lot of
people don't understand that when it comes to the scripture that you know, it's
a it's a Hebrew culture. Yeah, And I think you make a good
point there. I think way as a culture here in the West tend to
do that, right. Um, yeah, that is Uh, that's an
interesting point that you make there. You had mentioned earlier when you left the
church was and again I'm not sure we pinpointed exactly, uh kind of when
you discovered flat earth, But is that one of the reasons where did you
feel that they weren't teaching biblical cosmology at that point? I was still young.
I just know that there wasn't. Everything they were saying or teaching was
not in the Bible, was not in the scripture. It was totally opposite.
And that's what I'm being going to go, m R. Okay,
something's wrong here. Okay, you say do this, but the scriptures say't
do this. I gotta role with the scriptures. Yeah, I agree.
And that was like the beginning of my awakening right there, when when I
started to read for myself and like we say, this is this, but
the scriptures say this, you know, and and and here's another thing.
And I'm not trying to get off of a subject or just you know,
like for instance, like you know, how do I say this? I
don't want to find no one, Okay, I'm just gonna put out here
like this, like for instance, you know, God tells us not to
eat certain types of foods, but I noticed that in the church they try
to make excuse for eating everything, you know, and it's to God said,
like for me, God said, like now, when when I was
in the church, I ate everything because I thought it was okay. But
when I begin to read as certain foods like you know, certain shell fish.
Right, So you're you're regarding the book Leviticus, right, yes,
yes, you know the pork and everything is eleven, you know, chapter
eleven. And I gotta I gotta roll with that, you know. So
and so I've been pork free for like I would say, ten years.
Wow, that's so, like I just try to do and I know we
can't be perfect, you know, but the word perfect don't mean what we
think you mean in descripture. I just try to do to my best ability
what he says, do you know, And I don't. I don't try
to argue no more with anyone. I just you know, I try to
show them in but a somet of things that you know that we like,
I say, in the Western world, we think it's okay, but it
actually it's not right. We try to and I think that's when when you
go back into the church. Um, you know, I think, and
again I'm not telling anybody how to live their life. That this is just
we're just having a conversation here and um and again once again, many of
the things that we talk about, I'm just as guilty as everybody else.
Um. You know, I have a family, I have children, grandchildren,
and I know Christmas is a special time of the year for people.
And we're very much traditionalists, right, we know that everything's giving. We're
gonna just like we were talking before we went we started recording, right,
We're gonna watch the football games and have some turkey. That's what we do
every Thanksgiving. And you know, the Book of Jeremiah tells us we shouldn't
be chopping down trees and bring it into our home and adorning it with gold
and silver. Right, And that goes back. And the last church I
was in they live this is I'm not kidding you that they broke up the
church over an argument over an Easter egg hunt. Over an Easter egg hunt.
And and again that goes back. You can believe it or not.
But how ishtar the eggs represent for fertility and things like that, right,
um, So, and that's you just got to be careful. Um And
like you said, if you stick to the Bible, you're good, right,
Yeah, you're good. You can't you can't go wrong. Right.
And but we as humans, and especially as Americans, right, we we
fold to the pressure to conform very easily. Right. We hate being ridiculed.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, we we just oh you know it's,
um, it's always for the kids. You know, it's for the kids.
Some excuse, it was always you know, it's for the kids.
It's you know, my grandmama did it this way, my granddaddy did it
that way. But like I say, you know, it's just like I'm
not trying to tell nobody what to do anymore. You know, at the
end, you know, like I said, the scriptors say it said work
out your own salvation. So that's why I leave it at there you go.
And you know, in some ways, you know, sharing information,
whether it's flat Earth or the gospel, I think some of them. I
think some of the tools of doing it go hand in hand. Um.
You know, because there's some people out there. If you, if you,
you know, go knocking on the door and try to force things on
them, they're going to slam the door in your face. However, you
know, I do things. I've got magnetic bumper stickers that will make people
think, Um, I'm not afraid, nor is my wife to have convert
stations and restaurants or when we're out and about, um, knowing that people
can hear us. Um, I love it. I love it. I
love it, Yeah, exactly. And and I think there's nothing better than
I think in a certain way, there's power. Um, there's you know,
absence makes the heart grow finder less is more. I think there is
legitimacy, Uh to those ideals. What do you think? Yeah? See,
the thing is whether you're you know, quote unquote black, white,
Asian, whatever you are we all been lying to. Every single one of
us has been lying to. And I have a step brother and when I
brought the fight over to him, he almost wanted to fight me. Man,
don't bring me He's He's like, don't bring it to me no more.
I've been up here. I know what it looks like. I'm like,
yeah, But then I said, but your wind shield was probably fixed
to look like that, right, you know, I'm like, I mean,
he really wanted to fight me. He said, don't bring it to
me no more. Ever I want to. I've I've heard that many times.
Why do you think it's so divisive? Um? I would say,
like, it goes back to like, um, you know, my grandmother
told me this way, and my grandfather told me this way. It has
the way you know, what we were taught into schools growing up and things
like that, and some of us just hold up. Some of us are
just okay with not knowing. And I think that some of us know that
what we're doing is wrong. We just don't want to admit it because now
once we admitted, we got to change, and people for the most part
don't want to change. You know, that's you're so spot on people hate
change. Even if you're working you get a new boss. Oh my gosh,
you know, the the axis is shifted. There's a little hero centrism
for you, right, And nobody likes change. And we are we're comfort
creatures. And chickens are the same way. They like to get up when
the sun comes up, they eat, they lay their eggs, they take
their dirt baths, and when the sun goes down they go back in.
And we like that way too. We like to get up, go to
work, report to the same people, do the same things, come home,
eat our dinner, and everybody likes to have their beer, their PEPSI
watch you know, their TV programs and go to sleep. And some of
these things, especially what I've learned, you know, with the subject of
flat Earth, which of course eliminates outer space and the aliens. For some
of those folks, it takes away those But like there's one of the reasons
I found that it's so divisive in the truth community is because of all the
people who are you know, into UFOs and Martians and these type of things.
It eliminates that. To others, it takes away Star Wars and Battlestar
Galactic showing my age a little bit and these type of things Star Trek,
yeah, exactly, and is it an Also it's interesting that these same programs,
you know, which started with Star Trek in the sixties and then you
know, Battlestar Galactica, you're Star Wars and nineteen fifty eight was that year
when they figured out I think that was Operation Fishbowl, when they were sending
up the rockets and they were down in Antarctica and they said, well,
you know, if people realize that the Firmament's real and Genesis is real,
you know, Satan's gonna lose all these souls. So they created NASA well,
which was you know, just an evolution of you know, JPL,
which was created by a guy who hung out with Alistair Crawley, the one
of the most wicked men in the world, oh in the world ever,
right, Yeah, and just like going back to the flat Earth, you
know, like I knew, I just knew that the moon landing was fake.
I mean I just knew it before I was even awaken. I knew
it that was fake. I just knew that was I remember as a kid,
this happened a live of TV. I was in middle school and we
watched um um, what's that? Um, the Space Shuttle. I think
with Space shot Atlantis at that time where it took off when it just blew
up. Oh, that was the challenger, right, challenge Okay, yeah,
I mean I remember that it was in school watching that and didn't know
nothing back then. But when I look now, we're like, you know,
they're trying to get out, they're trying to bust this firmament open.
They're trying to do everything they can do, just like you know, Um,
what's what's the guy in the Bible? Um, Nimrod. That's right,
they're trying to do all this stuff. You know. Yeah, he
instructed babble to be right, the Tower of Babble. Yes. So it's
it's like I'm like, well, I'm kind of like like once once,
once people are awaking, they see it, because it's hard to teach people
who are still sleep, you know. And but you know, and and
all we could do is just put the information out there, like you're doing,
like myself. We just put the information out there and hopefully you know
more than none you know, look at it and say okay, just have
open mind and go okay, let me let me look at this. Yeah,
we can't kill you just look at it, you know. But I
just knew for a while that you know that the sun, moon and the
stars, you know they're there for a reason. You know. The moon
it goes different phases every night for a reason. You know. They don't
do it just to do it, you know. But the funny thing about
the moon is how you know God he he um he says, the moon
is like a woman. And if you think about it, it's kind of
right. Because a woman she could change up anytime, she changes her feelings
all the time. The moon the same thing. The moon is never in
the same place that the same night, that's right. And it's half moon,
quarter moon, yeah, quarter moon, half more all this you it's
crazy, but you know, I think you just have to, you know,
just get into the scriptures and just start reading. You know. I
remember like when I first tried to read the Bible, I couldn't get through
the rainbow. I couldn't get past the rainbow because I don't believe I had
the spirit in me to read it or to see what I was reading.
But once I believe I received a spirit, I was able to read it
and comprehend everything and put everything together and like, oh wow, we've been
lying to on an incredible scale. And going back to what you're yeah,
what you're talking about earlier. I believe that that whole thing was a setup.
It had multiple, multiple outcomes that they wanted to get to with the
Challenger Number one, every school across this country had the TV in there.
Yes, everyone right, because well, you know that's another NASA, another
tragedy, and it reinforces space and everything else. You know, it's just
this fear. Really what it was was like this fear based mind control event,
which I believe nobody died, by the way, I don't think anybody
was on that space shuttle that day, which I think it was seventy three
seconds boom, it's gone, and we all saw it. Everybody, you
know, we all saw it. And that's one of the things that people
react to. When I saw it, I was in school, you know,
that had many many by the way, they NASA also was awarded a
three billion dollar contract the next day to replace that one, So the military
industrial complex was rewarded for that day as well. Wow, it's crazy,
so many facets to this deceit, and that's really what people need to understand
is everything in your daily life, even things that you see as pleasure are
either used to what's the word I'm looking for, kind of just law you
with sleep, so you don't pay attention to anything, which I guess would
fall into your sports and things like that. But you know, movies are
a double edged sword because not only are you not paying attention to what's going
on for two or three hours, but they're programming you. Yes, I
think every movie made, any event is going to happen what already has happened.
Yeah. I don't know if you caught that, but Rosanne just started
a podcast and she actually came out and said that the other day, like
literally verbatim what you just said. Yeah, I mean, I mean,
yeah, that's what it's called, you know, And and the Bible speaks
about the media and stuff like that, you know, and programming stuff like
that. You know, that's what it's called television. But you know,
we still watch it, and you know, we feel well, like especially
like if you're awakened, it's some shows that you know that won't get to
you, that we'll get to other people because we're awakened. So we see
the you know, the storyline everything in there, but the average person not
going to see that, and that's how they get hypnotized. Yeah, and
I've said it many times, the most basic, cheesiest TV show ever in
history, you know, leave it to Beaver. Even in something as simple
as that, there is a globe in probably seventy seventy percent of that entire
show. Yes, yes, I didn't grow up in a house that had
a globe in every room. I don't know about you. Yeah, yeah,
we yep. School, we had to globe. We had to globe
at home. And and every pitch you see, the earth has got a
curvature on it somewhere somehow, you know, sorry says that fish islands that
they use, that fish islands that makes everything, you know, curve.
That's right. And I think even during the Red Bull jump there was one
brief moment where they didn't have it and you could tell everything was completely level.
M hm, right, because you know, like you know, like
I said, I'm in Detroit, and if you go over to the west
side of Michigan, um, you can actually look across the lake and you
can see the skyline of Chicago on a real good day. Yeah, I've
heard that before and so I guess you probably have seen that the video of
the guy during I guess it was during the local news and the weather guy
is like, what you're seeing here is a refraction. I don't think I
was thinking that. Yeah, somebody local to Chicago sent in a video where
they saw the buildings way too far according according to the curvature. And the
local news guy comes on. I forget if he said it was a mirage
or it was the refraction, but he just gave the old scientism answer just
to cover up the fact that we could see too far right, you see.
And that's one then another thing that people understand. Everyone on TV has
to be on the same page or the lie will come apart. So that's
your news anchors, your sports anchors, everybody on TV. They gotta go
with the lie. Right, And it's been at least twenty twenty five years
since. Um, you know, these news anchors aren't writing the news that
they show up, they get makeup on, and they read what is written
for them. They're they're they're not writing the news, they're reading the news
you're reading. Yeah, yeah, but I'm just gonna go, I remember,
um, this is how I found you. I was at Word and
I said, well, I'm tired of listen to music. I wanted something
that I that I know will be a good subject. Or I'm want a
podcast. So I went to UM. I forgot the streaming source, UM,
I forget the name, but I'm looking for you know, podcasts,
good no biblical podcast And when I see the flat Earth, I'm like,
okay, I know about the flatter let me see what he's talking about.
And I went back to your original one, from the very first one,
and all the whole day I played all of them. Oh wow, and
I was like, this guy know what he's talking about. I'm like,
you know about the number of nineteens and all the numbers and audience. I
say, this guy know we talking about guy? I gotta listen Maim And
I've been listening to you every since. Well, I appreciate that, and
I look forward to checking out your YouTube channel because I'm like you. I
love to consume information and then challenge myself. That's the other thing. Not
only do I enjoy listening to other people's content, and I'll listen to a
wide variety of content, but at the same time, I like to challenge
myself by taking that content what I hear, and I like, literally,
I'll pull up my phone when I hear something that's like, oh, that's
interesting, and I'll type it in my notes, and like I said,
at the end of the day, I will come back and I will sit
in my office, close the door, and I will research these things and
either I'll say, man, that one doesn't really pass the sniff test,
or I'll say wow, my goodness, And more times than not it'll lead
to you know, these rabbit holes connect more than often, and that should
make people understand that these rabbit holes always lead back to the very powerful elite
families in this world. Yes, and oh, people don't understand that either
about the Five Families. They don't. They don't understand none of this,
you know. And it's going back to the Titanic, you know, the
five Families, you know. Yeah, it's just amazing how you know,
like the age rain right now today, it's the age where that's never been
so much truth put out and so many lies at the same time. But
we have the ability to research everything now and a finger tip yep. Absolutely.
But with that I should say that that be a dangerous narrative as well,
because you do have to kind of discern because for one subject, like
if you put in Titanic into Google, you're going to get the algorithm that
they want you to read exactly. So you know, you have to challenge
yourself, like I'll either go to Yandex or Brave, And that's for every
podcast I do. When I'm searching for a particular subject, I'll go to
Google first, I'll go to Brave and then Yandex. And it's so interesting
that there'll be you know, three thousand results for a search, and there
are all different narratives. And I say all the time, it's very hard
because history is we talk about words, is his story. The people who
come out on top of these wars are the ones who get to control the
text of history, so we don't know what is true. And again,
if you go back and you read the entire story of World War Two,
none of it makes sense, none of it. So again you know,
you just have to discern for yourself, read what makes sense. And again,
like the Titanic, like you said, the lot of the wealthiest people
in the world, like John Astor, who was not a fan of the
Federal Reserve, he just happened to be on the boat that day and JP
Morgan, who was supposed to be on the boat changed his mind at the
last minute. Yeah, yeah, people don't know that. Yeah, and
it's interesting because the a are you tracking that story with the five guys and
that little vessel down at the Titanic? Now, yes, that's cy Yeah.
The one guy his name is like Commad something HS initials, which is
strange enough. But he was also on that flight with Jeff Bezos last year.
Oh wow, and he has ties he's buzz Aldrin's friend. He reportedly
took buzz Aldrin to the Antarctic last year. So is this this guy who
did he come across something um that he doesn't like? Did his conscious get
the best of him? Or is this just another freemason story. So that's
one of those things where you got to really read into um and do with
some research and discern for yourself, because the official story that he just you
know, one of the richest guys in the world is at the bottom of
the ocean and about to run out of oxygen. I don't know. Yeah,
I mean like these stories, like like like your podcast that you put
out about you know, the Antarctica and all that, like to me,
it is like this, this stuff is getting really scary because this world,
this government is wicked. Yeah, it's it's I mean, I tell you
about this, what's the most wickedest government ever created? Yeah, you know,
and the things that they do and try to hide and and you know,
in my opinion, like this not even no one's true land, you
know, and what this in an hour land for sure, you know we
weren't here at first, but it's just how it just amazed me how wicked
that this world and government really is. And I wish a lot of people
decided to wake up before it's too late. Yeah, And I want to
comment on that, and I should preface this with you know, I'm a
career military guy. With that being said, patriotism can be very dangerous and
very blinding. Oh yes, I want to make that clear. And there's
a reason I keep do you know who Pat Tilman is? Yes, I
love Pat Tilman. I have a picture of him over my right shoulder.
I always keep him over my right shoulder because here's a guy who patriotism,
you know. I mean, this guy gave up a I think it was
a three year, five million dollar contract with the cardinals to go fight,
and then the story goes he he realized what was going on over there.
It was the harvesting of the poppy fields. The CIA has been in the
drug business for fifty years. There was there was other menial resources that were
going after but he was going to say something. And I can't remember the
guy's name. He has a big platform. But he basically told his mother
and that's when he was killed by the friendly fire. He said, when
I come home, you know, I got to let people know about this,
and and of course, as always, they make him the hero.
And then it turns out it was friendly fire. And it's just terrible what
they just look at nine to eleven. These people are psychopaths at the top.
They are Luciferians, and they have no problem doing what they do.
Oh, no problem. And I wasn't going to go there nine I was
gonna go there to nine to eleven. I'm like this, this is crazy
people, believe you See. I remember September twelfth, in true I knew
that everything was fake. Really that's soon, Yeah, I knew that soon
because when they said playing hit the Pentagon, not a Pentagon. It's the
most secure building in the world, Yes, sir, yeah, and you
gonna come in. You don't have one camera working that day, and that
camera doesn't show a plane hitting. Now what happened was it was a BP
gas station right across the street. A missile was launched from there, and
when the owner of the gas station put it out, they killed him.
Really. Yes, if you research that, you'll see that because the whole
and the Pentagon, you know, it's like five rolls whatever, you know,
and a plane ain't gonna go to the third level, no, no,
no, But they showed the missile did It was like maybe like a
drum side, you know, fifty five gallons drum hole that did. And
then there's no wreckage. See, now this is when science come in.
I don't really believe in science, but this is when science come in.
If an object hits something from the outside, the wreckage is gonna be on
the outside. Of course, there's no plane wreckage on the outside of the
Pentagon. And so this is like the very next day, you know,
was the first day we all crying about it. But then the same I
went, h hold up the sing Yeah, no, I didn't know plane
hit this building. So I'll begin to research everything about that, and oh,
man, I mean everything is just a line. Yeah, that's interesting.
There was also a very small, tiny island right in I'm trying to
look at the map now and try to remember where I saw it where some
people, you know, right there in the Potomac there's this little slice of
land. That's kind of the other hypothesis that people think that where it came
from, because it would have went over like some semi unpopulated places. But
without a doubt, there is zero point zero percent chance that it was an
airplane. There was a female E four specialist. It was her first day
back after maternity leave, and she was working in the accounting department, which
is the department that got hit. Because you mentioned September twelfth. If you
remember September tenth, that was the day Donald Rumsfeld came out and said,
oh, by the way, we're missing two point three trillion dollars and yeah,
and I have that audio. I've played it on my website before.
Were there too. They knew that that's right, and so it was literally
in the afternoon he makes the speech at the Pentagon that we are missing two
point three trillion dollars. But you know, if you don't claim you're six
hundred dollars eBay sale. They're going to come bang down your door. But
it's okay, you're missing two point three trillion. September eleven happens, and
of course that's that's that's not news anymore, right, everybody's forgot about that.
But like you said, one of the most protected well, without a
doubt, the most protected city in the world, DC between the White House
and the Pentagon, and there was just, oh, it was confusion because
we were doing a drill at the same time and this, that and the
other thing. And within two hours, LP Paul Bremer, they had it
solved. The greatest crime in American history, Sands, you know, Pearl
Harbor. They had it all soft in two hours. He's on NBC and
who's saying it was Osama bin Lad. You know, if somebody steals my
car and they called the police station for a word, they're like, well,
this this is under investigation, right, they're not going to say anything
for a couple of days because they're going to investigate. But the biggest crime
in American history that they already know who it is, you know, this
is just you know, at the time for me, I was in the
military. We're ramping up, things were going crazy. I didn't have time
to sit down and think about these things. But like you said, in
retrospect, it's just silly. No, this guy who reportedly pulled off this
big Quirkscrew spiral and flew perfectly into the Pentagon, that guy couldn't even fly
a single lynch in Cessna. Right, it's just incredible, And go ahead,
and the masses is believed everyday. Yeah, what do you remember that?
And and the fallout? You know, we go from that to Iraq
and we're like, what ran? Even if you believe the official narrative,
why aren't we going into Saudi Arabia because sixteen of the nineteen there's that number.
Again, nineteen hijackers were from Saudi Arabia, but we were going to
Afghanistan and uh yeah, unbelievable. They tried to kill my daddy, that's
right. And again, you know, three hundred million people and the same
family get elected into the president and people still don't get how ragged the game
is. Yeah, I'm sure you know what it is that every president,
I think except one, they all related. They have to be related.
Yeah, back to some king of England back in twelve hundred, right,
yeah, yeah, I bet it's King Richard the sixteen something like that.
Yeah, there you go, yep, yeah, yeah. I mean just
I mean I love research, and not not the prove that I'm right on
everything, but to prove that they're wrong. You know that this is this
is all I mean, it's been. I mean, I guess since the
beginning of time has always been this way. You know. It's it's just
so I'm gonna see it. Some'm not. Yeah, And you know,
there's plenty of stories of deceit throughout the Bible. I tell people, go
to bible dot com and just put that word in the search engine, and
uh, you'll see it's you know, there's so much deceit here on earth.
Satan. Uh, he can't pick up a twelve gage and shoot you,
but he can certainly tempt you with those, um those Michelobe or Budweiser
advertisements, and then you go drink and the next thing, you know,
you're not leading a godly way. And again, I'm not judging anybody,
anybody. All these things we talk about, I've been down that road.
We all. Oh, yeah, absolutely, you know what I'm saying,
but I'm just saying that it's all about deceit, it's about temptation, and
you have to be It's just like and again this is me as well.
You have to be careful about what you consume. Right, If you eat
a lot of pizza and soda, you're not going to be healthy. At
the same time, if you watch a lot of things that you shouldn't be
watching and listen to people you shouldn't be watching, don't be surprised if you
don't, you know, if you're not living the proper way, right,
exactly. Yes, I mean, I'm definitely excited and glad that I found
you on this platform. And it's it's amazing, Like the stuff that that
that that you reveal, it's like, wow, something that I didn't even
know about. No, because no one knows all the truth, you know,
of course, and that's why that's why we go. You know,
I got gabble here, we got gabble there, you know, put it
all together. You know, that's exactly right. I think we all know,
you know, in the truth community, we all know a little bit
about many many subjects, and together we're able to piece these puzzles together.
Hmm. That's why I think, you know, how this thing took off,
bringing um, just you know, listeners, bringing them on and having
them share their stories. Number one, I think people resonate. It's like,
wow, I'm not the only one going through this certain type of thing.
And then number two, I think everybody brings their own unique, you
know, nuggets with them like you did with the BP gas station by the
Pentagon today that you know, you're going to have about five thousand people searching
over the next week. Yeah, so now Google's going to notice that algorithm.
They're going to hide that. Yeah. It's funny how they they they
want to put out what they want, you know, and it's crazy.
Yeah, it's it's it's quite the world we live in. And like you
said, um, we do have technology at our fingerprints, but our you
know fingertips excuse me, well fingerprints as well the way these guys track us.
But yeah, you just have to be careful and discern for yourself.
Like you said, going back to church, a lot of us like to
be told the truth and be told how to live. But you know,
sometimes you got to take the extra effort and read and do the research yourself.
Right, Yes, you do. And you absolutely have to this right
there, Like I said, but you gotta know what to look for and
you know what to discern, and you know what the what the quote unquote
shoeing spit out? You know, was there anything else on your your your
list of things to chat about that you wanted to tackle. I think we
tackled almost everything. By h I was gonna go into this, I was
gonna write some notes down, but I say, you know what, I'm
just gonna wing it. That that's usually the best way. Sometimes being overprepared
can take away from the natural flow of a conversation, right right. Because
I was kind of nervous, like you know, like, oh man,
I'm gonna be on this show, and oh man, make sure I got
all the right word the scripture of all it. I say, you know
what, I'm just gonna wing it. I'm just gonna wing it. And
I feel a whole better that I did. Yeah, I just have a
conversation between you know, two folks. Yeah, that's it. That's it.
Well, that's awesome. It's I think I think we think we covered
everything, um pretty much, you know, I mean, of course,
I mean, actually, I mean we can talk about night about something,
but we don't have that kind of time. Yeah, we can talk about
whatever you want, UM, but I will tell you, UM, to
make sure again make sure you email me that YouTube video your linked to your
channel. I'm sorry. UH so people can check you out and then we're
certainly going to have your uh dcon JW eight or nine at gmail dot com
so people can reach out to you. And again you can close with whatever
you want, any thoughts that you have. UM. I would just say
those who are listening, whether you're listening to to learn or listening to be
sneaky, UM, just take in what what UM mister Hobbs and myself and
others are saying, and just research with open mind. You know, we're
not trying and dictate anyone. You know, I say you gotta do this,
you gotta do this. Well, we're putting information out there that you
can look at, you know, you can see and touch and just what
open mind. Just research and you'll see the same thing that we've seen,
you know, and maybe you can teach others, you know, and we
gotta wake each other up. Yeah, that's about it. That's spot on.
And again it's a great community that we're building and we continue to build
and uh, you know, every guess we've had has left an email address,
uh for for you folks to reach out and connect with. And on
top of that again, Jerome's got a YouTube channel you can check out as
well, and everyone can hang out at the flat earth files dot com and
you can post in the chat room in the forum. UM, and continue
to build this community, and um you know, we continue to lead folks
to God as well as a great part of the mission statement. Um,
Jerome, I just want to thank you so much for your time and sharing
your knowledge and your life story and everything that you shared tonight. I greatly
appreciate it. Are you welcome? You're very welcome. You as all testimonial.
There got question? Will we go? Now? Go ahead here on?
I see here on the chat? Can I leave my information on the
chat? Oh? Yeah, we do have a chat here, don't we?
Yes? Yeah? Absolutely, Um yeah, I won't go anywhere.
Just hang tight, that's fine, We'll hang out and get that hammered out
before we go. UM. For Jerome, I'm George. I want to
thank everybody for continued support and make sure you reach out to Jerome and say
hi. His email address and YouTube channel will be in the show description.
God bless you all. Keep your head on a swivel and until next time,
my friends, we will see you