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us in just a moment, Jerome.

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let's get to our special guests this evening,

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joining us from the great state of
Michigan. Jerome is joining us tonight.

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Jerome, how are you doing tonight, my friend? I'm fine.

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George, how are you? I'm
doing well? And again I appreciate you

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coming on to share your journey.
And before we get started, UM,

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let us go ahead and introduce yourself
to the folks. Okay, UM,

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my name is Jerome. I'll give
my last name Wickworth. Um, I'm

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from Detroit, Michigan. I've been
awakened for approximately I would say thirteen fourteen

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years. Now, UM, what
else anything else? Well, that's that's

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number one. That's quite a long
time to be awake. That's that's great.

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So that means since about twenty ten, was there a particular event that

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caught your mind? A video,
a person you you came across that help

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you kind of wake up? Um? Actually it was a series of things.

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And UM, not to put any
thing or a person down, but

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UM, the reason why, Um, even if Deacon j W. I

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used to be a deacon in the
in the church and I did something that

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I tell everybody that they should do. I begin to read on my own

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and when I begin to read,
I saw things that you know, God

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said that we should do that we
wasn't doing. And that's how my journey

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started. So I begin to ask, you know, God questions and like

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who am I? What am I? You know? What am I to

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do? Wherever? We go in
and he answered those questions for me like

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clear as day. And so when
that happened, I began to look at

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everything that the quote unquote, you
know, Sunday Church kind of taught me

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what's wrong, and I began to
look at everything the government put out.

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I began to I guess I became
a conspiracy theorist. You know. Yeah,

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that's the term the government would like
us to use, right, But

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what we really are is we're truth
seekers, and yeah, the truth is

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every thing. And it's interesting you
mentioned that, Jerome, because well,

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this episode I think is playing on
the twenty eighth, my podcast from the

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twenty first. In the afternoon,
I did read some emails and we talked

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about that little vessel on the bottom
of the ocean. Someone mentioned a similar

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thing about what you're talking about today. Text is very important, and I

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think we've become kind of in a
place now where we're okay to be told.

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We learned things through videos, We
learn things through you know, podcasts

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like and that's why I always,
at least once an episode, try to

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say listen, not just to myself
but to everyone, but research these things

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for yourself. Use these little nuggets
we give you as tools and then take

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the time yourself to do the research
and you verify for yourself. Don't ever

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let anybody tell you what is true. Research for yourself. And I think

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Jerome so your message. I will
tell you, I've gotten a lot of

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emails that are similar to yours.
And I do believe that there are a

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lot of good churches out there.
I believe that you just gotta kind of

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be careful. What are your thoughts
on that? I would say that there

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are a lot of people in those
churches who want the truth, but because

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you know a lot of them have
fell in love with the pastor or whatever

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that you know, they kind of
don't know how to learn on their own.

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You know, they're scared to go
in research and read on their own

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because you know, for some,
for most the pastor has put in them.

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You know, I only know the
truth. You only get it from

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me, you know. And and
I say, but I think there's a

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lot of people in those church and
not the church itself, but a lot

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of people in those churches who really
want to know the truth but don't know

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how to go about getting it.
You know, I will tell you that

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to a certain extent, I'm guilty
of that. I've been in churches before,

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and I pay very close. You
know. As a child, I

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remember being in church and listen to
the sermon and be like, oh my

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goodness. You know, twenty minute
sermons seemed like four hours when you're a

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child, right, But as an
adult, you know, you pay real

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attention, and sometimes the pastor says
things. You kind of remember the wrestler

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of the Rock. He'd lift his
eyebrow up. You're like, what what

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did you just say? And you
know, I guess shame on me for

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not you know, I guess sometimes
I can encourage to a fault. I

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think if we do find fault with
doctrine, it's okay to have a chat

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with the pastor afterwards. And I
wouldn't say challenge him. Maybe that is

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the right word. I don't know, But what's wrong with saying, hey,

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you mentioned this, and then instead
of just having a conversation, flip

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opening to you know, Genesis one, verse fourteen and say do you see

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what this says about the firmament or
or things like that? What do you

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say to that? Yes, I
mean that's so I would actually I've done

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that, like like when I left
the church. I was attending our research

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what's called the Constantine Creed. I
don't know if you're familiar with that,

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that research a lot of it.
Is it the same one from four BC

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during Constantine's rule, like around three
twenty two, three twenty five excuse me

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not a d Yes? Yes,
after one, yes, sir, And

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that's when if I'm not mistake,
well, I'll let you tell you.

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But is that where he kind of
took Christianity and paganism kind of put him

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together to please everyone? Yes?
Yeah, absolutely, So when I when

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I researched that, and I've researched
a lot of other things, and I

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gave my pastor a letter, I
gave assistant past letters and told them that

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then you look at these things,
you know, because a lot of things

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that they were taught and we were
taught are not correct, and they didn't

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want to hear none of it.
So my last thing was when I got

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the missions from them, from God, from the Father, that he get

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out of there. And that's what
I did. And I've never been back,

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well and how long because I can
resonate with you, you know,

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I grew up in the church,
was there for you know, the first

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sixteen years of my life. And
then we had a break in the church.

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How long had you attended that church
up until the time he left?

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Um, I've attended that church for
I believe four or five years. Okay,

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how did how did they take it? Um? The well, the

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pastor, he took it pretty much
like, hey, well, hey,

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do what you want to do.
You know, um, um, we're

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not going to hear that. You
know, we're not gonna share that with

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no one here, you know,
we don't believe that. And so I'm

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like, okay. But then the
funny thing is a couple of years later

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I ran, I ran into some
of the uh the assistant pastor, and

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they had switched up. We're not
even telling me really, I was right,

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Yes, that's incredible. Now,
may I ask what you wrote in

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that letter? What particular uh things
did you did? You you know,

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mention uh and that you kind of
disagreed with. Yes, well, I

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mentioned that first, that um and
um the whole Catechism thing, you know,

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I mentioned that that. You know, that was kind of like,

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you know, Roman Catholic, you
know, and not just saying anything wrong

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about I'm trying not to trying to
be as politically correct as I can understand,

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but a lot of things in there, and like it's like it's really

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a it's really kind of like coltish, like a coat. And when when

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when I when I told him about
the Constantine Creed, how you know everything

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will switch and why while we go
to church on Sunday? Is is what

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Constantine did is he switched everything,
you know, And because they were Sun

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worshippers, so everything they did they
put it on Sunday. You know.

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That's why Father's Day is Sunday.
We're just you know, technically the worship

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of the Pope. You know,
everything they did on Sunday, the solistic

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is all that they moved to Sunday
to Sunday worship, you know, and

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they did they just didn't want no
part of it. Yeah, that that's

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incredible because you know it's funny.
One of the kings and Princess Diana's children,

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UM, not Harry, but the
other one, UM he was born.

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They actually um said it so he
would be born on June the twenty

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first, and the excuse was that
Prince Charles said, I have a polo

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game that weekend, so we're going
to make sure it happens on this particular

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date, but they actually induced labor
and it was Yeah, Prince William was

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born June twenty first, nineteen eighty
two, So I find that interesting.

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There is people don't understand that the
people who push heliocentrism and these type of

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things, the sun worship the summer
solstice is a big day to them.

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Oh yes, yes, yeah.
I would just telling co workers today that

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today is if you believe it,
it's it's it's it's a good day and

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a bad day at the same time, because it's supposed to bring in,

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you know, the first day of
summer, but it also the day that

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the days get shorter, which we
don't want. Right. Yeah, after

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today it starts winding back down,
they start to get shorter. So I'm

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like, wow, but yeah,
this sun worship, it's it's really like

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I guess you have to be awakened
to see it. I don't know how

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else will explain it. Yeah,
And it goes back to what you're saying.

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Reading and there are a lot of
tremendous books out there to read,

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and I think I'm guilty as just
as an expert as the next person.

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I try, like, you know, we do a lot of work around

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here, and I'll have an earbuton
and I'll listen to podcast. But when

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I find something that may be new
to me, I will certainly listen to

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that podcast or content creators thoughts and
opinions, but I will note it down

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on my notepad. And when I'm
done for the day. Every night I

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go back, I sit down,
I look at my note paddle the notes

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I've taken to do in the day, and I researched these things for myself,

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and ninety nine times out of one
hundred, I usually have at least

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spent a few minutes researching these things
before I hop on behind a microphone and

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short start, you know, sharing
these ideas. Because I try to be

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very cognizant of the words that I
speak, because words are very powerful,

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right right, right, Because I
also have a YouTube channel where I put

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you know, videos and lessons on
there, and I try to make sure

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that whatever title or lesson I bring, I better know what it's talking about.

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I better know everything about that subject
before I put it out there.

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Did you send me the link to
that? I think I did. I'm

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not sure about I think. If
I did not, I will send it

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to you. Yeah, please do
so I can put it in the show

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description so people can just drop down
there and click on it. Okay,

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yes, I get the will when
when this is over, I'll send it

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to you. Thanks. Is that
something you do daily weekly? I just

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I used to do it, like
regularly about I do it? Only do

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it now when I get like,
um inspired, Okay, I'll see it.

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Even it might inspire me to do
a lesson, you know like that,

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And you know what, I will
tell you that's not a bad idea

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because sometimes like if you say,
hey, I'm going to do this every

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week, and you know, maybe
you're not in, you're in, you're

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forced to do something like I know, sometimes inspired, I'm inspired to do

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a podcast, and they turn out
much better, even if they're not as

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as thoughtfully prepared as if all right, I'm going to do the subject,

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even though to me personally, that's
not the most you know, interesting,

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exciting subject, you know, not
like I'm not exactly mailing it in.

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But at the same time, I
may not have the same passion, and

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maybe or maybe not, it comes
across, you know, in my voice,

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So I think that's a great idea. Or maybe if someone needs to

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hear it that way, that that
particular one you never know. Yeah,

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that's all all tremendous stuff. Let's
if you don't mind, let's talk about

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your journey to flat Earth. How
did that work out for you? Oh?

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That worked? Uh? I kind
of knew, like I kind of

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went back and forth before. Can
I remember um? Like you know,

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in school they told us that you
know, Columbus, you know, sailed

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and he was trying to find a
new world, and they totally don't go

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because you might fall off the end
of the earth. Right, So never

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I did get me thinking like like
then, okay, the Earth it's hamps

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to be flat then. And then, you know, the more I researched

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that, I'm like, he really
didn't go nowhere, you know, to

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to see the earth for the thut
or around That's right, you know then,

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you know, as a kid,
so as I got older, you

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know, and I got more into
the scriptures and everything, and I'm like,

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the Earth's got to be because and
you said something earlier, and this

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is my go to Genesis one fourteen, it's the ultimate go to, you

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know, and where he gave up
the sun, moon, the stars,

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you know, to count days and
everything. Absolutely. A lot of the

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scriptures you know, mentioned the firmament, you know, but people ignore it

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because I don't think they know what
the word firmament means, you know.

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And I just I just knew that
it can't be it can't be around because

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a lot of stuff just didn't make
sense, like who can measure the distance

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from the Earth to the Sun and
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I'm like, no one can do
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like I'm like, well, just
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if the if the sun is so
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dark? That is one of my
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no sense, right, So then
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back and forth. Well, okay, well maybe it is round because the

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sun has to go under and come
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I'm back to flat. But ultimately, when when you go to the

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scriptures, and like I said,
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like no one has ever seen the
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some of my friends we did we
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somewhere, and we called them and
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Ye're like no, but we can
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But it's just that, right,
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said, I'm gonna believe God's word
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wrong, that I'm wrong, but
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is kind of just what you mentioned
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a few times before that you can't
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which scriptures are actual events and the
other ones are just you know, you

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know, old fables or whatever.
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not sure we talk enough about,
and I'd like your opinion on this.

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Maybe I'm I'm I'm wrong here,
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stick with the King James version because
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it loses its meaning. And i'd
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uh in particularly the first chapter,
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it can it can um kind of
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can deceive people. Now I'll agree, but that's a butt Okay. I'll

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agree that everyone should start with the
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you're still sleep a little bit,
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Virgin is the go true version,
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your belt than you I believe,
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that I believe that because it was
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have to go to the Hebrew to
understand exactly what it's talking about. Wow,

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that's a that's a big step up, and that is quite a challenge.

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How how did you learn that?
Where are you self taught or um,

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I'm not gonna say self taught,
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congregating with other people who have the
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know. And because the thing about
the Hebrew language is in English, there's

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only one meaning to a word,
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in each word. And in the
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you know, the Bible was in
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four Hebrews, and you know,
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reason a lot of people over here
had that wrong is because they're trying to

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put a Western philosophy or Western spin
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because you know, the Eastern culture
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people don't understand that when it comes
to the scripture that you know, it's

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a it's a Hebrew culture. Yeah, And I think you make a good

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point there. I think way as
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do that, right. Um,
yeah, that is Uh, that's an

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interesting point that you make there.
You had mentioned earlier when you left the

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church was and again I'm not sure
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you discovered flat earth, But is
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feel that they weren't teaching biblical cosmology
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I just know that there wasn't.
Everything they were saying or teaching was

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not in the Bible, was not
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And that's what I'm being going to
go, m R. Okay,

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something's wrong here. Okay, you
say do this, but the scriptures say't

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do this. I gotta role with
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And that was like the beginning of
my awakening right there, when when I

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started to read for myself and like
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the scriptures say this, you know, and and and here's another thing.

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like for instance, like you know, how do I say this? I

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don't want to find no one,
Okay, I'm just gonna put out here

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like this, like for instance,
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eat certain types of foods, but
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to make excuse for eating everything,
you know, and it's to God said,

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like for me, God said,
like now, when when I was

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in the church, I ate everything
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when I begin to read as certain
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Right, So you're you're regarding the
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yes, you know the pork and
everything is eleven, you know, chapter

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eleven. And I gotta I gotta
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and so I've been pork free for
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can't be perfect, you know,
but the word perfect don't mean what we

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think you mean in descripture. I
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what he says, do you know, And I don't. I don't try

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to argue no more with anyone.
I just you know, I try to

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show them in but a somet of
things that you know that we like,

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actually it's not right. We try
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go back into the church. Um, you know, I think, and

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again I'm not telling anybody how to
live their life. That this is just

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we're just having a conversation here and
um and again once again, many of

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the things that we talk about,
I'm just as guilty as everybody else.

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Um. You know, I have
a family, I have children, grandchildren,

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and I know Christmas is a special
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gonna just like we were talking before
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We're gonna watch the football games and
have some turkey. That's what we do

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every Thanksgiving. And you know,
the Book of Jeremiah tells us we shouldn't

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be chopping down trees and bring it
into our home and adorning it with gold

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and silver. Right, And that
goes back. And the last church I

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was in they live this is I'm
not kidding you that they broke up the

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church over an argument over an Easter
egg hunt. Over an Easter egg hunt.

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And and again that goes back.
You can believe it or not.

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But how ishtar the eggs represent for
fertility and things like that, right,

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um, So, and that's you
just got to be careful. Um And

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like you said, if you stick
to the Bible, you're good, right,

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Yeah, you're good. You can't
you can't go wrong. Right.

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And but we as humans, and
especially as Americans, right, we we

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fold to the pressure to conform very
easily. Right. We hate being ridiculed.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah, we
we just oh you know it's,

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um, it's always for the kids. You know, it's for the kids.

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Some excuse, it was always you
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It's you know, my grandmama did
it this way, my granddaddy did it

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that way. But like I say, you know, it's just like I'm

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not trying to tell nobody what to
do anymore. You know, at the

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end, you know, like I
said, the scriptors say it said work

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out your own salvation. So that's
why I leave it at there you go.

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And you know, in some ways, you know, sharing information,

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whether it's flat Earth or the gospel, I think some of them. I

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think some of the tools of doing
it go hand in hand. Um.

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You know, because there's some people
out there. If you, if you,

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you know, go knocking on the
door and try to force things on

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them, they're going to slam the
door in your face. However, you

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know, I do things. I've
got magnetic bumper stickers that will make people

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think, Um, I'm not afraid, nor is my wife to have convert

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stations and restaurants or when we're out
and about, um, knowing that people

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can hear us. Um, I
love it. I love it. I

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love it, Yeah, exactly.
And and I think there's nothing better than

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I think in a certain way,
there's power. Um, there's you know,

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absence makes the heart grow finder less
is more. I think there is

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legitimacy, Uh to those ideals.
What do you think? Yeah? See,

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the thing is whether you're you know, quote unquote black, white,

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Asian, whatever you are we all
been lying to. Every single one of

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us has been lying to. And
I have a step brother and when I

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brought the fight over to him,
he almost wanted to fight me. Man,

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don't bring me He's He's like,
don't bring it to me no more.

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I've been up here. I know
what it looks like. I'm like,

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yeah, But then I said,
but your wind shield was probably fixed

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to look like that, right,
you know, I'm like, I mean,

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he really wanted to fight me.
He said, don't bring it to

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me no more. Ever I want
to. I've I've heard that many times.

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Why do you think it's so divisive? Um? I would say,

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like, it goes back to like, um, you know, my grandmother

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told me this way, and my
grandfather told me this way. It has

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the way you know, what we
were taught into schools growing up and things

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like that, and some of us
just hold up. Some of us are

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just okay with not knowing. And
I think that some of us know that

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what we're doing is wrong. We
just don't want to admit it because now

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once we admitted, we got to
change, and people for the most part

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don't want to change. You know, that's you're so spot on people hate

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change. Even if you're working you
get a new boss. Oh my gosh,

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you know, the the axis is
shifted. There's a little hero centrism

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for you, right, And nobody
likes change. And we are we're comfort

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creatures. And chickens are the same
way. They like to get up when

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the sun comes up, they eat, they lay their eggs, they take

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their dirt baths, and when the
sun goes down they go back in.

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We like to get up, go to

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work, report to the same people, do the same things, come home,

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eat our dinner, and everybody likes
to have their beer, their PEPSI

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watch you know, their TV programs
and go to sleep. And some of

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these things, especially what I've learned, you know, with the subject of

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flat Earth, which of course eliminates
outer space and the aliens. For some

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of those folks, it takes away
those But like there's one of the reasons

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I found that it's so divisive in
the truth community is because of all the

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people who are you know, into
UFOs and Martians and these type of things.

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It eliminates that. To others,
it takes away Star Wars and Battlestar

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Galactic showing my age a little bit
and these type of things Star Trek,

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yeah, exactly, and is it
an Also it's interesting that these same programs,

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you know, which started with Star
Trek in the sixties and then you

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know, Battlestar Galactica, you're Star
Wars and nineteen fifty eight was that year

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when they figured out I think that
was Operation Fishbowl, when they were sending

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up the rockets and they were down
in Antarctica and they said, well,

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you know, if people realize that
the Firmament's real and Genesis is real,

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you know, Satan's gonna lose all
these souls. So they created NASA well,

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which was you know, just an
evolution of you know, JPL,

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which was created by a guy who
hung out with Alistair Crawley, the one

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of the most wicked men in the
world, oh in the world ever,

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right, Yeah, and just like
going back to the flat Earth, you

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know, like I knew, I
just knew that the moon landing was fake.

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I mean I just knew it before
I was even awaken. I knew

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it that was fake. I just
knew that was I remember as a kid,

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this happened a live of TV.
I was in middle school and we

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watched um um, what's that?
Um, the Space Shuttle. I think

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with Space shot Atlantis at that time
where it took off when it just blew

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up. Oh, that was the
challenger, right, challenge Okay, yeah,

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I mean I remember that it was
in school watching that and didn't know

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nothing back then. But when I
look now, we're like, you know,

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they're trying to get out, they're
trying to bust this firmament open.

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They're trying to do everything they can
do, just like you know, Um,

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what's what's the guy in the Bible? Um, Nimrod. That's right,

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they're trying to do all this stuff. You know. Yeah, he

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instructed babble to be right, the
Tower of Babble. Yes. So it's

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it's like I'm like, well,
I'm kind of like like once once,

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once people are awaking, they see
it, because it's hard to teach people

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who are still sleep, you know. And but you know, and and

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all we could do is just put
the information out there, like you're doing,

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like myself. We just put the
information out there and hopefully you know

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more than none you know, look
at it and say okay, just have

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open mind and go okay, let
me let me look at this. Yeah,

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we can't kill you just look at
it, you know. But I

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just knew for a while that you
know that the sun, moon and the

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stars, you know they're there for
a reason. You know. The moon

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it goes different phases every night for
a reason. You know. They don't

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do it just to do it,
you know. But the funny thing about

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the moon is how you know God
he he um he says, the moon

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is like a woman. And if
you think about it, it's kind of

410
00:29:47.920 --> 00:29:49.599
right. Because a woman she could
change up anytime, she changes her feelings

411
00:29:49.599 --> 00:29:52.119
all the time. The moon the
same thing. The moon is never in

412
00:29:52.119 --> 00:29:56.640
the same place that the same night, that's right. And it's half moon,

413
00:29:56.839 --> 00:30:00.359
quarter moon, yeah, quarter moon, half more all this you it's

414
00:30:00.400 --> 00:30:03.519
crazy, but you know, I
think you just have to, you know,

415
00:30:04.480 --> 00:30:07.519
just get into the scriptures and just
start reading. You know. I

416
00:30:07.559 --> 00:30:11.240
remember like when I first tried to
read the Bible, I couldn't get through

417
00:30:11.319 --> 00:30:15.680
the rainbow. I couldn't get past
the rainbow because I don't believe I had

418
00:30:15.680 --> 00:30:19.359
the spirit in me to read it
or to see what I was reading.

419
00:30:21.160 --> 00:30:23.319
But once I believe I received a
spirit, I was able to read it

420
00:30:23.319 --> 00:30:26.759
and comprehend everything and put everything together
and like, oh wow, we've been

421
00:30:26.799 --> 00:30:33.279
lying to on an incredible scale.
And going back to what you're yeah,

422
00:30:33.359 --> 00:30:37.559
what you're talking about earlier. I
believe that that whole thing was a setup.

423
00:30:40.519 --> 00:30:45.359
It had multiple, multiple outcomes that
they wanted to get to with the

424
00:30:45.440 --> 00:30:49.599
Challenger Number one, every school across
this country had the TV in there.

425
00:30:51.279 --> 00:30:55.359
Yes, everyone right, because well, you know that's another NASA, another

426
00:30:55.400 --> 00:31:00.839
tragedy, and it reinforces space and
everything else. You know, it's just

427
00:31:00.960 --> 00:31:06.440
this fear. Really what it was
was like this fear based mind control event,

428
00:31:06.519 --> 00:31:08.079
which I believe nobody died, by
the way, I don't think anybody

429
00:31:08.119 --> 00:31:12.279
was on that space shuttle that day, which I think it was seventy three

430
00:31:12.279 --> 00:31:18.480
seconds boom, it's gone, and
we all saw it. Everybody, you

431
00:31:18.519 --> 00:31:19.839
know, we all saw it.
And that's one of the things that people

432
00:31:19.880 --> 00:31:22.839
react to. When I saw it, I was in school, you know,

433
00:31:23.359 --> 00:31:27.440
that had many many by the way, they NASA also was awarded a

434
00:31:27.480 --> 00:31:32.640
three billion dollar contract the next day
to replace that one, So the military

435
00:31:32.640 --> 00:31:38.599
industrial complex was rewarded for that day
as well. Wow, it's crazy,

436
00:31:41.559 --> 00:31:48.880
so many facets to this deceit,
and that's really what people need to understand

437
00:31:49.000 --> 00:31:56.359
is everything in your daily life,
even things that you see as pleasure are

438
00:31:56.519 --> 00:32:00.880
either used to what's the word I'm
looking for, kind of just law you

439
00:32:00.920 --> 00:32:04.680
with sleep, so you don't pay
attention to anything, which I guess would

440
00:32:04.720 --> 00:32:07.759
fall into your sports and things like
that. But you know, movies are

441
00:32:07.799 --> 00:32:12.920
a double edged sword because not only
are you not paying attention to what's going

442
00:32:13.000 --> 00:32:16.559
on for two or three hours,
but they're programming you. Yes, I

443
00:32:16.599 --> 00:32:22.720
think every movie made, any event
is going to happen what already has happened.

444
00:32:23.400 --> 00:32:25.519
Yeah. I don't know if you
caught that, but Rosanne just started

445
00:32:25.519 --> 00:32:29.799
a podcast and she actually came out
and said that the other day, like

446
00:32:29.880 --> 00:32:35.319
literally verbatim what you just said.
Yeah, I mean, I mean,

447
00:32:36.839 --> 00:32:38.200
yeah, that's what it's called,
you know, And and the Bible speaks

448
00:32:38.200 --> 00:32:42.559
about the media and stuff like that, you know, and programming stuff like

449
00:32:42.599 --> 00:32:45.880
that. You know, that's what
it's called television. But you know,

450
00:32:45.880 --> 00:32:49.880
we still watch it, and you
know, we feel well, like especially

451
00:32:49.880 --> 00:32:52.880
like if you're awakened, it's some
shows that you know that won't get to

452
00:32:52.920 --> 00:32:55.920
you, that we'll get to other
people because we're awakened. So we see

453
00:32:55.960 --> 00:33:01.480
the you know, the storyline everything
in there, but the average person not

454
00:33:01.480 --> 00:33:07.799
going to see that, and that's
how they get hypnotized. Yeah, and

455
00:33:07.839 --> 00:33:13.039
I've said it many times, the
most basic, cheesiest TV show ever in

456
00:33:13.119 --> 00:33:15.480
history, you know, leave it
to Beaver. Even in something as simple

457
00:33:15.519 --> 00:33:22.519
as that, there is a globe
in probably seventy seventy percent of that entire

458
00:33:22.960 --> 00:33:28.400
show. Yes, yes, I
didn't grow up in a house that had

459
00:33:28.440 --> 00:33:31.480
a globe in every room. I
don't know about you. Yeah, yeah,

460
00:33:31.880 --> 00:33:36.160
we yep. School, we had
to globe. We had to globe

461
00:33:36.200 --> 00:33:39.920
at home. And and every pitch
you see, the earth has got a

462
00:33:39.960 --> 00:33:52.440
curvature on it somewhere somehow, you
know, sorry says that fish islands that

463
00:33:52.480 --> 00:33:54.880
they use, that fish islands that
makes everything, you know, curve.

464
00:33:55.920 --> 00:34:00.319
That's right. And I think even
during the Red Bull jump there was one

465
00:34:00.440 --> 00:34:04.079
brief moment where they didn't have it
and you could tell everything was completely level.

466
00:34:04.799 --> 00:34:07.960
M hm, right, because you
know, like you know, like

467
00:34:07.960 --> 00:34:12.760
I said, I'm in Detroit,
and if you go over to the west

468
00:34:12.760 --> 00:34:19.800
side of Michigan, um, you
can actually look across the lake and you

469
00:34:19.800 --> 00:34:24.320
can see the skyline of Chicago on
a real good day. Yeah, I've

470
00:34:24.360 --> 00:34:30.360
heard that before and so I guess
you probably have seen that the video of

471
00:34:30.360 --> 00:34:32.159
the guy during I guess it was
during the local news and the weather guy

472
00:34:32.239 --> 00:34:38.360
is like, what you're seeing here
is a refraction. I don't think I

473
00:34:38.480 --> 00:34:43.880
was thinking that. Yeah, somebody
local to Chicago sent in a video where

474
00:34:43.880 --> 00:34:49.119
they saw the buildings way too far
according according to the curvature. And the

475
00:34:49.159 --> 00:34:52.719
local news guy comes on. I
forget if he said it was a mirage

476
00:34:52.840 --> 00:34:57.079
or it was the refraction, but
he just gave the old scientism answer just

477
00:34:57.119 --> 00:35:00.280
to cover up the fact that we
could see too far right, you see.

478
00:35:00.320 --> 00:35:05.840
And that's one then another thing that
people understand. Everyone on TV has

479
00:35:05.840 --> 00:35:10.199
to be on the same page or
the lie will come apart. So that's

480
00:35:10.239 --> 00:35:15.280
your news anchors, your sports anchors, everybody on TV. They gotta go

481
00:35:15.320 --> 00:35:21.519
with the lie. Right, And
it's been at least twenty twenty five years

482
00:35:21.559 --> 00:35:23.880
since. Um, you know,
these news anchors aren't writing the news that

483
00:35:24.039 --> 00:35:29.400
they show up, they get makeup
on, and they read what is written

484
00:35:29.400 --> 00:35:31.199
for them. They're they're they're not
writing the news, they're reading the news

485
00:35:31.559 --> 00:35:36.880
you're reading. Yeah, yeah,
but I'm just gonna go, I remember,

486
00:35:37.679 --> 00:35:42.400
um, this is how I found
you. I was at Word and

487
00:35:42.840 --> 00:35:45.960
I said, well, I'm tired
of listen to music. I wanted something

488
00:35:45.199 --> 00:35:49.599
that I that I know will be
a good subject. Or I'm want a

489
00:35:49.639 --> 00:35:57.239
podcast. So I went to UM. I forgot the streaming source, UM,

490
00:35:58.480 --> 00:36:00.639
I forget the name, but I'm
looking for you know, podcasts,

491
00:36:00.760 --> 00:36:05.800
good no biblical podcast And when I
see the flat Earth, I'm like,

492
00:36:05.800 --> 00:36:07.079
okay, I know about the flatter
let me see what he's talking about.

493
00:36:07.760 --> 00:36:12.639
And I went back to your original
one, from the very first one,

494
00:36:12.760 --> 00:36:15.320
and all the whole day I played
all of them. Oh wow, and

495
00:36:15.760 --> 00:36:20.719
I was like, this guy know
what he's talking about. I'm like,

496
00:36:21.320 --> 00:36:23.719
you know about the number of nineteens
and all the numbers and audience. I

497
00:36:23.800 --> 00:36:27.719
say, this guy know we talking
about guy? I gotta listen Maim And

498
00:36:27.800 --> 00:36:30.440
I've been listening to you every since. Well, I appreciate that, and

499
00:36:30.480 --> 00:36:34.960
I look forward to checking out your
YouTube channel because I'm like you. I

500
00:36:35.079 --> 00:36:38.440
love to consume information and then challenge
myself. That's the other thing. Not

501
00:36:38.519 --> 00:36:43.320
only do I enjoy listening to other
people's content, and I'll listen to a

502
00:36:43.360 --> 00:36:45.559
wide variety of content, but at
the same time, I like to challenge

503
00:36:45.599 --> 00:36:49.639
myself by taking that content what I
hear, and I like, literally,

504
00:36:49.639 --> 00:36:52.559
I'll pull up my phone when I
hear something that's like, oh, that's

505
00:36:52.559 --> 00:36:54.400
interesting, and I'll type it in
my notes, and like I said,

506
00:36:54.440 --> 00:36:57.679
at the end of the day,
I will come back and I will sit

507
00:36:57.719 --> 00:37:00.880
in my office, close the door, and I will research these things and

508
00:37:00.960 --> 00:37:04.480
either I'll say, man, that
one doesn't really pass the sniff test,

509
00:37:04.559 --> 00:37:07.519
or I'll say wow, my goodness, And more times than not it'll lead

510
00:37:07.559 --> 00:37:12.199
to you know, these rabbit holes
connect more than often, and that should

511
00:37:12.199 --> 00:37:17.280
make people understand that these rabbit holes
always lead back to the very powerful elite

512
00:37:17.320 --> 00:37:23.679
families in this world. Yes,
and oh, people don't understand that either

513
00:37:25.159 --> 00:37:29.079
about the Five Families. They don't. They don't understand none of this,

514
00:37:29.159 --> 00:37:31.119
you know. And it's going back
to the Titanic, you know, the

515
00:37:31.199 --> 00:37:36.400
five Families, you know. Yeah, it's just amazing how you know,

516
00:37:36.679 --> 00:37:43.440
like the age rain right now today, it's the age where that's never been

517
00:37:43.519 --> 00:37:45.840
so much truth put out and so
many lies at the same time. But

518
00:37:45.960 --> 00:37:55.599
we have the ability to research everything
now and a finger tip yep. Absolutely.

519
00:37:55.920 --> 00:38:00.440
But with that I should say that
that be a dangerous narrative as well,

520
00:38:00.480 --> 00:38:04.800
because you do have to kind of
discern because for one subject, like

521
00:38:04.840 --> 00:38:08.880
if you put in Titanic into Google, you're going to get the algorithm that

522
00:38:08.920 --> 00:38:13.480
they want you to read exactly.
So you know, you have to challenge

523
00:38:13.480 --> 00:38:17.000
yourself, like I'll either go to
Yandex or Brave, And that's for every

524
00:38:17.039 --> 00:38:22.440
podcast I do. When I'm searching
for a particular subject, I'll go to

525
00:38:22.519 --> 00:38:25.440
Google first, I'll go to Brave
and then Yandex. And it's so interesting

526
00:38:25.440 --> 00:38:30.000
that there'll be you know, three
thousand results for a search, and there

527
00:38:30.000 --> 00:38:34.599
are all different narratives. And I
say all the time, it's very hard

528
00:38:34.719 --> 00:38:39.679
because history is we talk about words, is his story. The people who

529
00:38:40.119 --> 00:38:44.320
come out on top of these wars
are the ones who get to control the

530
00:38:44.880 --> 00:38:47.840
text of history, so we don't
know what is true. And again,

531
00:38:47.840 --> 00:38:51.360
if you go back and you read
the entire story of World War Two,

532
00:38:51.760 --> 00:38:58.280
none of it makes sense, none
of it. So again you know,

533
00:38:58.360 --> 00:39:00.920
you just have to discern for yourself, read what makes sense. And again,

534
00:39:01.400 --> 00:39:06.679
like the Titanic, like you said, the lot of the wealthiest people

535
00:39:06.679 --> 00:39:14.239
in the world, like John Astor, who was not a fan of the

536
00:39:14.519 --> 00:39:17.239
Federal Reserve, he just happened to
be on the boat that day and JP

537
00:39:17.400 --> 00:39:21.679
Morgan, who was supposed to be
on the boat changed his mind at the

538
00:39:21.760 --> 00:39:27.239
last minute. Yeah, yeah,
people don't know that. Yeah, and

539
00:39:27.360 --> 00:39:30.400
it's interesting because the a are you
tracking that story with the five guys and

540
00:39:30.440 --> 00:39:36.000
that little vessel down at the Titanic? Now, yes, that's cy Yeah.

541
00:39:36.039 --> 00:39:40.400
The one guy his name is like
Commad something HS initials, which is

542
00:39:40.400 --> 00:39:47.760
strange enough. But he was also
on that flight with Jeff Bezos last year.

543
00:39:49.639 --> 00:39:54.280
Oh wow, and he has ties
he's buzz Aldrin's friend. He reportedly

544
00:39:54.280 --> 00:40:00.679
took buzz Aldrin to the Antarctic last
year. So is this this guy who

545
00:40:00.880 --> 00:40:06.440
did he come across something um that
he doesn't like? Did his conscious get

546
00:40:06.480 --> 00:40:09.280
the best of him? Or is
this just another freemason story. So that's

547
00:40:09.280 --> 00:40:14.239
one of those things where you got
to really read into um and do with

548
00:40:14.280 --> 00:40:16.599
some research and discern for yourself,
because the official story that he just you

549
00:40:16.639 --> 00:40:21.679
know, one of the richest guys
in the world is at the bottom of

550
00:40:21.679 --> 00:40:24.920
the ocean and about to run out
of oxygen. I don't know. Yeah,

551
00:40:24.960 --> 00:40:29.320
I mean like these stories, like
like like your podcast that you put

552
00:40:29.360 --> 00:40:32.719
out about you know, the Antarctica
and all that, like to me,

553
00:40:32.800 --> 00:40:40.400
it is like this, this stuff
is getting really scary because this world,

554
00:40:40.480 --> 00:40:46.000
this government is wicked. Yeah,
it's it's I mean, I tell you

555
00:40:46.039 --> 00:40:51.960
about this, what's the most wickedest
government ever created? Yeah, you know,

556
00:40:52.079 --> 00:40:57.320
and the things that they do and
try to hide and and you know,

557
00:40:57.559 --> 00:41:01.679
in my opinion, like this not
even no one's true land, you

558
00:41:01.719 --> 00:41:06.920
know, and what this in an
hour land for sure, you know we

559
00:41:07.079 --> 00:41:12.039
weren't here at first, but it's
just how it just amazed me how wicked

560
00:41:12.039 --> 00:41:15.559
that this world and government really is. And I wish a lot of people

561
00:41:15.760 --> 00:41:21.159
decided to wake up before it's too
late. Yeah, And I want to

562
00:41:21.199 --> 00:41:22.360
comment on that, and I should
preface this with you know, I'm a

563
00:41:22.360 --> 00:41:27.960
career military guy. With that being
said, patriotism can be very dangerous and

564
00:41:28.039 --> 00:41:31.639
very blinding. Oh yes, I
want to make that clear. And there's

565
00:41:31.639 --> 00:41:36.239
a reason I keep do you know
who Pat Tilman is? Yes, I

566
00:41:36.320 --> 00:41:37.960
love Pat Tilman. I have a
picture of him over my right shoulder.

567
00:41:38.000 --> 00:41:43.639
I always keep him over my right
shoulder because here's a guy who patriotism,

568
00:41:44.199 --> 00:41:45.639
you know. I mean, this
guy gave up a I think it was

569
00:41:45.679 --> 00:41:49.760
a three year, five million dollar
contract with the cardinals to go fight,

570
00:41:49.840 --> 00:41:54.159
and then the story goes he he
realized what was going on over there.

571
00:41:54.159 --> 00:41:57.960
It was the harvesting of the poppy
fields. The CIA has been in the

572
00:41:58.039 --> 00:42:01.440
drug business for fifty years. There
was there was other menial resources that were

573
00:42:01.440 --> 00:42:06.920
going after but he was going to
say something. And I can't remember the

574
00:42:07.039 --> 00:42:09.920
guy's name. He has a big
platform. But he basically told his mother

575
00:42:10.079 --> 00:42:13.280
and that's when he was killed by
the friendly fire. He said, when

576
00:42:13.280 --> 00:42:15.679
I come home, you know,
I got to let people know about this,

577
00:42:15.719 --> 00:42:19.079
and and of course, as always, they make him the hero.

578
00:42:19.280 --> 00:42:22.360
And then it turns out it was
friendly fire. And it's just terrible what

579
00:42:22.480 --> 00:42:25.119
they just look at nine to eleven. These people are psychopaths at the top.

580
00:42:25.199 --> 00:42:30.079
They are Luciferians, and they have
no problem doing what they do.

581
00:42:30.880 --> 00:42:34.760
Oh, no problem. And I
wasn't going to go there nine I was

582
00:42:34.800 --> 00:42:39.320
gonna go there to nine to eleven. I'm like this, this is crazy

583
00:42:39.880 --> 00:42:46.000
people, believe you See. I
remember September twelfth, in true I knew

584
00:42:46.039 --> 00:42:51.440
that everything was fake. Really that's
soon, Yeah, I knew that soon

585
00:42:51.480 --> 00:42:57.079
because when they said playing hit the
Pentagon, not a Pentagon. It's the

586
00:42:57.119 --> 00:43:00.159
most secure building in the world,
Yes, sir, yeah, and you

587
00:43:00.199 --> 00:43:04.639
gonna come in. You don't have
one camera working that day, and that

588
00:43:04.760 --> 00:43:09.400
camera doesn't show a plane hitting.
Now what happened was it was a BP

589
00:43:09.599 --> 00:43:15.119
gas station right across the street.
A missile was launched from there, and

590
00:43:15.159 --> 00:43:20.119
when the owner of the gas station
put it out, they killed him.

591
00:43:20.159 --> 00:43:23.719
Really. Yes, if you research
that, you'll see that because the whole

592
00:43:23.800 --> 00:43:27.440
and the Pentagon, you know,
it's like five rolls whatever, you know,

593
00:43:28.360 --> 00:43:30.199
and a plane ain't gonna go to
the third level, no, no,

594
00:43:30.599 --> 00:43:35.400
no, But they showed the missile
did It was like maybe like a

595
00:43:35.519 --> 00:43:39.039
drum side, you know, fifty
five gallons drum hole that did. And

596
00:43:39.079 --> 00:43:43.199
then there's no wreckage. See,
now this is when science come in.

597
00:43:43.239 --> 00:43:45.840
I don't really believe in science,
but this is when science come in.

598
00:43:45.480 --> 00:43:50.320
If an object hits something from the
outside, the wreckage is gonna be on

599
00:43:50.320 --> 00:43:54.559
the outside. Of course, there's
no plane wreckage on the outside of the

600
00:43:54.559 --> 00:43:59.639
Pentagon. And so this is like
the very next day, you know,

601
00:44:00.119 --> 00:44:02.039
was the first day we all crying
about it. But then the same I

602
00:44:02.039 --> 00:44:06.480
went, h hold up the sing
Yeah, no, I didn't know plane

603
00:44:06.519 --> 00:44:08.480
hit this building. So I'll begin
to research everything about that, and oh,

604
00:44:08.519 --> 00:44:15.400
man, I mean everything is just
a line. Yeah, that's interesting.

605
00:44:15.440 --> 00:44:23.639
There was also a very small,
tiny island right in I'm trying to

606
00:44:23.639 --> 00:44:27.960
look at the map now and try
to remember where I saw it where some

607
00:44:28.000 --> 00:44:31.880
people, you know, right there
in the Potomac there's this little slice of

608
00:44:31.960 --> 00:44:37.119
land. That's kind of the other
hypothesis that people think that where it came

609
00:44:37.159 --> 00:44:42.719
from, because it would have went
over like some semi unpopulated places. But

610
00:44:43.159 --> 00:44:45.960
without a doubt, there is zero
point zero percent chance that it was an

611
00:44:45.960 --> 00:44:52.840
airplane. There was a female E
four specialist. It was her first day

612
00:44:52.840 --> 00:44:57.960
back after maternity leave, and she
was working in the accounting department, which

613
00:44:58.039 --> 00:45:01.440
is the department that got hit.
Because you mentioned September twelfth. If you

614
00:45:01.480 --> 00:45:05.719
remember September tenth, that was the
day Donald Rumsfeld came out and said,

615
00:45:05.719 --> 00:45:10.800
oh, by the way, we're
missing two point three trillion dollars and yeah,

616
00:45:10.960 --> 00:45:14.599
and I have that audio. I've
played it on my website before.

617
00:45:15.960 --> 00:45:19.800
Were there too. They knew that
that's right, and so it was literally

618
00:45:19.960 --> 00:45:23.280
in the afternoon he makes the speech
at the Pentagon that we are missing two

619
00:45:23.360 --> 00:45:27.679
point three trillion dollars. But you
know, if you don't claim you're six

620
00:45:27.800 --> 00:45:30.400
hundred dollars eBay sale. They're going
to come bang down your door. But

621
00:45:30.440 --> 00:45:35.119
it's okay, you're missing two point
three trillion. September eleven happens, and

622
00:45:35.239 --> 00:45:40.400
of course that's that's that's not news
anymore, right, everybody's forgot about that.

623
00:45:40.920 --> 00:45:45.599
But like you said, one of
the most protected well, without a

624
00:45:45.639 --> 00:45:49.119
doubt, the most protected city in
the world, DC between the White House

625
00:45:49.159 --> 00:45:53.000
and the Pentagon, and there was
just, oh, it was confusion because

626
00:45:53.079 --> 00:45:55.880
we were doing a drill at the
same time and this, that and the

627
00:45:55.920 --> 00:46:01.039
other thing. And within two hours, LP Paul Bremer, they had it

628
00:46:01.119 --> 00:46:06.039
solved. The greatest crime in American
history, Sands, you know, Pearl

629
00:46:06.079 --> 00:46:08.280
Harbor. They had it all soft
in two hours. He's on NBC and

630
00:46:08.280 --> 00:46:15.079
who's saying it was Osama bin Lad. You know, if somebody steals my

631
00:46:15.199 --> 00:46:19.719
car and they called the police station
for a word, they're like, well,

632
00:46:19.760 --> 00:46:22.360
this this is under investigation, right, they're not going to say anything

633
00:46:22.360 --> 00:46:24.639
for a couple of days because they're
going to investigate. But the biggest crime

634
00:46:24.679 --> 00:46:29.840
in American history that they already know
who it is, you know, this

635
00:46:29.960 --> 00:46:31.079
is just you know, at the
time for me, I was in the

636
00:46:31.119 --> 00:46:34.599
military. We're ramping up, things
were going crazy. I didn't have time

637
00:46:34.599 --> 00:46:37.599
to sit down and think about these
things. But like you said, in

638
00:46:37.679 --> 00:46:43.039
retrospect, it's just silly. No, this guy who reportedly pulled off this

639
00:46:43.639 --> 00:46:49.079
big Quirkscrew spiral and flew perfectly into
the Pentagon, that guy couldn't even fly

640
00:46:49.159 --> 00:46:57.199
a single lynch in Cessna. Right, it's just incredible, And go ahead,

641
00:46:57.199 --> 00:47:01.599
and the masses is believed everyday.
Yeah, what do you remember that?

642
00:47:02.760 --> 00:47:06.239
And and the fallout? You know, we go from that to Iraq

643
00:47:06.320 --> 00:47:09.239
and we're like, what ran?
Even if you believe the official narrative,

644
00:47:09.679 --> 00:47:14.639
why aren't we going into Saudi Arabia
because sixteen of the nineteen there's that number.

645
00:47:14.639 --> 00:47:19.599
Again, nineteen hijackers were from Saudi
Arabia, but we were going to

646
00:47:19.639 --> 00:47:30.280
Afghanistan and uh yeah, unbelievable.
They tried to kill my daddy, that's

647
00:47:30.400 --> 00:47:35.239
right. And again, you know, three hundred million people and the same

648
00:47:35.320 --> 00:47:39.119
family get elected into the president and
people still don't get how ragged the game

649
00:47:39.239 --> 00:47:44.599
is. Yeah, I'm sure you
know what it is that every president,

650
00:47:44.679 --> 00:47:46.559
I think except one, they all
related. They have to be related.

651
00:47:46.639 --> 00:47:50.079
Yeah, back to some king of
England back in twelve hundred, right,

652
00:47:50.280 --> 00:47:52.079
yeah, yeah, I bet it's
King Richard the sixteen something like that.

653
00:47:52.239 --> 00:47:57.679
Yeah, there you go, yep, yeah, yeah. I mean just

654
00:47:58.280 --> 00:48:02.719
I mean I love research, and
not not the prove that I'm right on

655
00:48:02.840 --> 00:48:09.000
everything, but to prove that they're
wrong. You know that this is this

656
00:48:09.119 --> 00:48:13.199
is all I mean, it's been. I mean, I guess since the

657
00:48:13.239 --> 00:48:17.280
beginning of time has always been this
way. You know. It's it's just

658
00:48:20.480 --> 00:48:22.800
so I'm gonna see it. Some'm
not. Yeah, And you know,

659
00:48:23.199 --> 00:48:29.039
there's plenty of stories of deceit throughout
the Bible. I tell people, go

660
00:48:29.079 --> 00:48:30.719
to bible dot com and just put
that word in the search engine, and

661
00:48:31.360 --> 00:48:36.320
uh, you'll see it's you know, there's so much deceit here on earth.

662
00:48:36.360 --> 00:48:38.599
Satan. Uh, he can't pick
up a twelve gage and shoot you,

663
00:48:39.079 --> 00:48:44.880
but he can certainly tempt you with
those, um those Michelobe or Budweiser

664
00:48:44.920 --> 00:48:46.440
advertisements, and then you go drink
and the next thing, you know,

665
00:48:47.119 --> 00:48:50.800
you're not leading a godly way.
And again, I'm not judging anybody,

666
00:48:50.800 --> 00:48:52.119
anybody. All these things we talk
about, I've been down that road.

667
00:48:52.159 --> 00:48:54.679
We all. Oh, yeah,
absolutely, you know what I'm saying,

668
00:48:55.079 --> 00:49:00.159
but I'm just saying that it's all
about deceit, it's about temptation, and

669
00:49:00.280 --> 00:49:04.119
you have to be It's just like
and again this is me as well.

670
00:49:04.119 --> 00:49:06.760
You have to be careful about what
you consume. Right, If you eat

671
00:49:06.760 --> 00:49:09.239
a lot of pizza and soda,
you're not going to be healthy. At

672
00:49:09.280 --> 00:49:13.440
the same time, if you watch
a lot of things that you shouldn't be

673
00:49:13.440 --> 00:49:15.639
watching and listen to people you shouldn't
be watching, don't be surprised if you

674
00:49:15.719 --> 00:49:20.960
don't, you know, if you're
not living the proper way, right,

675
00:49:21.239 --> 00:49:28.880
exactly. Yes, I mean,
I'm definitely excited and glad that I found

676
00:49:28.880 --> 00:49:36.440
you on this platform. And it's
it's amazing, Like the stuff that that

677
00:49:36.440 --> 00:49:39.599
that that you reveal, it's like, wow, something that I didn't even

678
00:49:39.599 --> 00:49:44.400
know about. No, because no
one knows all the truth, you know,

679
00:49:44.480 --> 00:49:45.440
of course, and that's why that's
why we go. You know,

680
00:49:45.519 --> 00:49:47.960
I got gabble here, we got
gabble there, you know, put it

681
00:49:49.000 --> 00:49:52.000
all together. You know, that's
exactly right. I think we all know,

682
00:49:52.519 --> 00:49:54.559
you know, in the truth community, we all know a little bit

683
00:49:54.559 --> 00:49:59.320
about many many subjects, and together
we're able to piece these puzzles together.

684
00:50:00.079 --> 00:50:04.119
Hmm. That's why I think,
you know, how this thing took off,

685
00:50:04.199 --> 00:50:07.760
bringing um, just you know,
listeners, bringing them on and having

686
00:50:07.800 --> 00:50:10.320
them share their stories. Number one, I think people resonate. It's like,

687
00:50:10.320 --> 00:50:13.800
wow, I'm not the only one
going through this certain type of thing.

688
00:50:13.840 --> 00:50:16.000
And then number two, I think
everybody brings their own unique, you

689
00:50:16.000 --> 00:50:20.199
know, nuggets with them like you
did with the BP gas station by the

690
00:50:20.239 --> 00:50:23.639
Pentagon today that you know, you're
going to have about five thousand people searching

691
00:50:23.639 --> 00:50:29.639
over the next week. Yeah,
so now Google's going to notice that algorithm.

692
00:50:29.679 --> 00:50:36.360
They're going to hide that. Yeah. It's funny how they they they

693
00:50:36.400 --> 00:50:40.199
want to put out what they want, you know, and it's crazy.

694
00:50:40.400 --> 00:50:44.599
Yeah, it's it's it's quite the
world we live in. And like you

695
00:50:44.639 --> 00:50:47.440
said, um, we do have
technology at our fingerprints, but our you

696
00:50:47.480 --> 00:50:53.559
know fingertips excuse me, well fingerprints
as well the way these guys track us.

697
00:50:53.599 --> 00:50:58.280
But yeah, you just have to
be careful and discern for yourself.

698
00:50:58.400 --> 00:51:00.639
Like you said, going back to
church, a lot of us like to

699
00:51:00.679 --> 00:51:05.039
be told the truth and be told
how to live. But you know,

700
00:51:05.119 --> 00:51:07.280
sometimes you got to take the extra
effort and read and do the research yourself.

701
00:51:07.360 --> 00:51:13.280
Right, Yes, you do.
And you absolutely have to this right

702
00:51:13.320 --> 00:51:15.639
there, Like I said, but
you gotta know what to look for and

703
00:51:15.719 --> 00:51:19.400
you know what to discern, and
you know what the what the quote unquote

704
00:51:19.400 --> 00:51:25.639
shoeing spit out? You know,
was there anything else on your your your

705
00:51:25.639 --> 00:51:30.920
list of things to chat about that
you wanted to tackle. I think we

706
00:51:30.039 --> 00:51:34.719
tackled almost everything. By h I
was gonna go into this, I was

707
00:51:34.760 --> 00:51:37.039
gonna write some notes down, but
I say, you know what, I'm

708
00:51:37.079 --> 00:51:40.400
just gonna wing it. That that's
usually the best way. Sometimes being overprepared

709
00:51:40.480 --> 00:51:45.000
can take away from the natural flow
of a conversation, right right. Because

710
00:51:45.079 --> 00:51:46.480
I was kind of nervous, like
you know, like, oh man,

711
00:51:46.519 --> 00:51:50.400
I'm gonna be on this show,
and oh man, make sure I got

712
00:51:50.480 --> 00:51:52.159
all the right word the scripture of
all it. I say, you know

713
00:51:52.199 --> 00:51:55.599
what, I'm just gonna wing it. I'm just gonna wing it. And

714
00:51:55.639 --> 00:51:59.519
I feel a whole better that I
did. Yeah, I just have a

715
00:51:59.559 --> 00:52:04.519
conversation between you know, two folks. Yeah, that's it. That's it.

716
00:52:05.000 --> 00:52:07.519
Well, that's awesome. It's I
think I think we think we covered

717
00:52:07.559 --> 00:52:09.960
everything, um pretty much, you
know, I mean, of course,

718
00:52:10.000 --> 00:52:14.159
I mean, actually, I mean
we can talk about night about something,

719
00:52:14.199 --> 00:52:17.480
but we don't have that kind of
time. Yeah, we can talk about

720
00:52:17.519 --> 00:52:21.480
whatever you want, UM, but
I will tell you, UM, to

721
00:52:21.599 --> 00:52:24.079
make sure again make sure you email
me that YouTube video your linked to your

722
00:52:24.119 --> 00:52:28.079
channel. I'm sorry. UH so
people can check you out and then we're

723
00:52:28.079 --> 00:52:31.559
certainly going to have your uh dcon
JW eight or nine at gmail dot com

724
00:52:31.599 --> 00:52:37.199
so people can reach out to you. And again you can close with whatever

725
00:52:37.280 --> 00:52:43.360
you want, any thoughts that you
have. UM. I would just say

726
00:52:43.719 --> 00:52:49.199
those who are listening, whether you're
listening to to learn or listening to be

727
00:52:49.320 --> 00:52:54.719
sneaky, UM, just take in
what what UM mister Hobbs and myself and

728
00:52:54.760 --> 00:52:59.519
others are saying, and just research
with open mind. You know, we're

729
00:52:59.559 --> 00:53:02.639
not trying and dictate anyone. You
know, I say you gotta do this,

730
00:53:02.679 --> 00:53:06.639
you gotta do this. Well,
we're putting information out there that you

731
00:53:06.639 --> 00:53:09.360
can look at, you know,
you can see and touch and just what

732
00:53:09.559 --> 00:53:15.239
open mind. Just research and you'll
see the same thing that we've seen,

733
00:53:15.360 --> 00:53:17.239
you know, and maybe you can
teach others, you know, and we

734
00:53:17.320 --> 00:53:22.679
gotta wake each other up. Yeah, that's about it. That's spot on.

735
00:53:22.880 --> 00:53:28.800
And again it's a great community that
we're building and we continue to build

736
00:53:28.840 --> 00:53:31.840
and uh, you know, every
guess we've had has left an email address,

737
00:53:32.440 --> 00:53:36.840
uh for for you folks to reach
out and connect with. And on

738
00:53:36.880 --> 00:53:40.480
top of that again, Jerome's got
a YouTube channel you can check out as

739
00:53:40.519 --> 00:53:45.039
well, and everyone can hang out
at the flat earth files dot com and

740
00:53:45.119 --> 00:53:49.679
you can post in the chat room
in the forum. UM, and continue

741
00:53:49.719 --> 00:53:53.920
to build this community, and um
you know, we continue to lead folks

742
00:53:53.960 --> 00:53:58.480
to God as well as a great
part of the mission statement. Um,

743
00:53:58.639 --> 00:54:01.360
Jerome, I just want to thank
you so much for your time and sharing

744
00:54:01.360 --> 00:54:07.440
your knowledge and your life story and
everything that you shared tonight. I greatly

745
00:54:07.440 --> 00:54:10.559
appreciate it. Are you welcome?
You're very welcome. You as all testimonial.

746
00:54:12.679 --> 00:54:15.119
There got question? Will we go? Now? Go ahead here on?

747
00:54:15.599 --> 00:54:16.800
I see here on the chat?
Can I leave my information on the

748
00:54:16.880 --> 00:54:20.400
chat? Oh? Yeah, we
do have a chat here, don't we?

749
00:54:21.519 --> 00:54:23.039
Yes? Yeah? Absolutely, Um
yeah, I won't go anywhere.

750
00:54:23.079 --> 00:54:27.119
Just hang tight, that's fine,
We'll hang out and get that hammered out

751
00:54:27.440 --> 00:54:30.840
before we go. UM. For
Jerome, I'm George. I want to

752
00:54:30.840 --> 00:54:36.079
thank everybody for continued support and make
sure you reach out to Jerome and say

753
00:54:36.159 --> 00:54:38.559
hi. His email address and YouTube
channel will be in the show description.

754
00:54:39.320 --> 00:54:43.119
God bless you all. Keep your
head on a swivel and until next time,

755
00:54:43.159 --> 00:54:45.000
my friends, we will see you