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Frank the Ghost Martin have to work
hard, but he still got his win

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in the Showtime PPC main event.
Alicia Baumgardner retained all of her titles in

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the match Room Boxing the Zone main
event in Detroit, as well as some

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other fights on the undercards of interest
and note we're ready to talk about that.

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We're ready to hear from the unified
super Bannomwait Champ Stephen Fulton building up

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to his fight with the former undisputed
bannom Wait. If you're now moving up

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to fight him, Naolia the Monster
in a way, that fight's coming.

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You'll hear from Fulton right here on
this podcast. It is the fight Freaks

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Unite recap podcast. I am merely
the somewhat competent host T J. Reeves.

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You're here in no small part to
hear from this man. Hello,

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Dan Raypheel of his Fight Freaks Unite, Substack and Bigfight Weekend dot com.

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How are things off the weekend?
Well, things are good, I think,

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though you know you don't give yourself
enough credit. People come here to

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listen to you. Also, yeah, they listen to me. They'd like

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to listen to us bicker a little
bit. That is true. And by

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the way, let me just say
I was negligent and that is the correct

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word that I was not recording just
before the podcast when I did hit record,

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because that segment was gold. That
meandered from everything from your son's ice

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skating competition and he's a heck of
a young competitive ice skater, to my

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day on Sunday, spending my morning
in early afternoon at Epcot Center, and

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you bag it on me for that
with my family meandering to food like ribs.

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You people should have heard this,
but I didn't hit the record button,

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So all I can tell you is
I'm sorry, but we do our

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best to like give you some insight
into our and talk about you were talking

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about you going to this restaurant at
Epcot to have ribs, to have ribs

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with my wife and the twins,
and they were really good ribs. And

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you immediately said to me that your
son, we could if he could only

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have one meal, it might be
ribs. And he eats it. He

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eats it the absolute right way,
going all out. Say that now to

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the audience now that I'm recording.
He goes all out when he eats ribs.

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Well on the times where we sometimes
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home, and we got some good
places around here in northern Virginia. My

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son does do the deed and that
rips the shirt off and eats like without

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the shirt of the shirtless and that
and he just went up ten points in

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my book for going after the ribs
shirtless. I don't know that you taught

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him that a grandparent a relative if
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in tuition. But that is a
boss move. That is an absolute boss

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move to go after the ribs.
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this afternoon. But it's good,
all right, So enough about the food

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we told you. Stephen Fulton coming
up by the way. Thank you to

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many of you, and it's more
than a few of you that have been

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reviewing us. Rate us and review
us, follow and subscribe on the podcast

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The Big Fight Weekend podcast feed that
includes this fight Freaks Unite recap on it.

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We preview coming into the weekend,
usually out Friday morning ish. Then

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we come off the weekend with the
recap usually out Monday morning Sunday night overnight

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into Monday morning. We want you
to rate us and review us. Several

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of you have done that. Thank
you. Keep that going. Two things.

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One, We're gonna give at random
a gift away for the Spence Crawford

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fight. At least one of these
either a fight poster and we may give

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two things away and or or both
a program from the fight. And we'll

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do that for somebody at random that
has reviewed us in July. Follow this

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one instruction. Make sure that we
can find you. Specifically, make sure

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I can find you when we draw
at random. Take a screenshot of it

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so we know who you are.
Tag us on social media, will do

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the random draw. Several of you
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hours or so as we released.
As we released the podcast, so thank

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you. For the writings and reviews. But again, if you want to

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get in the contest, it's free, just screenshot it or else. Ray

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Field Detective Reeves cannot find them.
That's my point. I have to say.

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I think, I mean, we've
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things so far. I mean,
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happy the folks that got them,
and they seemed happy, and yes,

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took the screensots of what we sent
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social media. But I think this
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far, because this is a hot
fight, is a huge fight. I

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mean, will we give away?
We gave away some of the I gave

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away the Tyson holy Field first fight
November ninety six baseball hat that I had

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not worn, pristine condition, and
a listener Homer Homer, who's in your

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area, who's in Washington, DC
and who's a lawyer and he's a huge

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boxing fan. He won that.
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with the posters of fights from Vegas. That's an awesome item. Just we

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gave away. We gave away some
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that they have that have like the
poster or have a special We also sell

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the fighters. I gave away a
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Devin Haney and George Cambosas, and
we'll shout out to our guy Edrie and

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California. He got the fight poster
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of the peeps. We've bribed you
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I'm with you that this is going
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there's gonna be a lot of interest
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be a neat thing to commemorate with. Either the poster and you've been say

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it one more time. You've been
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that night. You've been writing a
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for Spence and Crawford for that fight
program. Just well, I mean my

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good friend for twenty five years,
Jay Siden, who owns the company that

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produces many of these programs of posters
and other merchandise for fights. So I've

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written for his programs like literally for
over twenty years, virtually every big fight

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program he has done. I'm in
in terms of my stories and also I

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also help edit them. And in
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cards that will be part of it, so I write the backs for that.

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It's an ongoing set that's been appearing
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years. I believe after the four
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the set is up to seventy two
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between Errol and Crawford, will have
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In this program it will be Errol
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program. I will also have the
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had a card before, even though
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the rookie card of Nonto Donair,
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week, as we discussed, and
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So it's a cool set, all
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program. We got the poster.
We'll give one away at random. So

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we look forward to be you and
I will be in Las Vegas together,

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all things being equal. That is
now about a week and a half from

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now, we're gonna we're gonna unite
in Vegas, and I keep joking with

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this. Just one morning, I
promise we're getting to the fight reac Apps

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the news. We've got some nostalgian
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just a little bit with Dan one
on one. You and I to this

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moment have been doing all of what
we're doing with the podcast, the bet

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Us Friday Show. By the way, Reeves five and one on the bet

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Us Show, Big Dan four and
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ko off the bet Us Handicapping Show. We've been doing these podcasts. We've

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been doing the bet Us Show.
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serious. We've been talking to each
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wives, which is not a good
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Reeves thinks it is a good thing. At this point, I don't have

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to interview her. After twenty seven
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in the same room. We have
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with each other for the better part
of fifteen months. We've not been in

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the same place. That's coming in
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and I can't wait. We might
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they have the all access going for
Spence Crawford from Showtime. They have the

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cameras on like you and I.
You and I like the all access camera

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the first time that ray Field and
Reeves are in the same county, in

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the same vicinity. Building it up. Baby, You're way way more excited

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for that than I am. Well, the one thing, the one thing

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that is gonna that is gonna be
most interesting is I've seen you. I've

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seen you doing stand ups and whatever
else. But I don't think you realize

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how tall I am. I mean, all you've seen me is like sitting

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down doing these shows. Whenever we
have any legs or anything. Well,

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you can think that. And a
lot of most people that meet me,

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first of all, a lot of
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They know my voice. Yeah,
I'm every bit of six four. So

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you're gonna see me. You're gonna
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So I could I could you got
the height advantage I'm about I could put

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I could put you down in a
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know, going over the top,
sky hook up and under Kevin McHale move

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if need be, Can we get
the boxing? Yeah, we can get

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to the boxing. I'm just saying. People frequently say, you know,

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I thought you would look different,
and I would say back to them,

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yeah, you thought I was a
lot shorter. All right, let's continue

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on its radio. Let's continue on
the program by getting to the fight recaps.

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Let's please do. And in the
main event again, Frank Martin victorious

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Artem Harda tuning In was very game
and was in the fight, and Martin

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was not able to put him away, even though he rocked him a couple

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of times. And this was a
close decision. All right, your thoughts

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in the recap mode on what was
a unanimous decision win to cap off the

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showtime PBC Vegas Cards Sturday Night.
Well, first of all, it was

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a good fight, I mean,
and that's always to me first and foremost.

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Did you get your time's worth or
your money's worth, or however you

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want to gage it that if you
took the time, or you spent money

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on a ticket, or if it's
a paper here, this was not obviously.

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Do you feel like when you turn
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of an arena. Did you get
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And this was a good fight.
I enjoyed the fight hard of Tunion was

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really not known by many people.
I knew him a little bit because I

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follow when it gets to Olympic boxing, so I was aware of him from

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his time when he won a bronze
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he hadn't fought anybody of consequence in
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Although he was undefeated, he was
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that country for the first time,
at least as a professional. He seemed

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golfully happy to be in Vegas.
If he'd watched his post fight interview,

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he was over joyed, even wasn't
happy he lost the fight, but happy

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to be part of what was certainly
the biggest event of his career. And

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there's a lot of people that thought
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he was a very close fight.
The thing that was interesting about it,

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TJ, is this the rounds that
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won on the cards. He got
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win. The other one was,
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That was you know, the difference
was the knockdown that he had in

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the twelfth rounte. So even if
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he still wins the fight by a
majority decision to fifteen one thirteen twice and

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one fourteen one fourteen. He got
the knockdown, which made it one twelve

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on two cards and one fourteen one
thirteen on the third. But the point

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I'm making here is this, the
rounds that Martin won, of the seven

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that he got on the two winning
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about it. Clearly win the round
a ten, eight round obviously in the

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twelfth round, had a big,
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round eleven. You know, he
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and you know, it was very
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were much closer, but hard of
Tunian seemed to edge most of them out.

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But you know, a couple could
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didn't have a real big quarrel with
the result of the fight. Some people

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seemed to think it was a little
more disputed or controversial. I didn't really

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really think that one thing that I
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however you thought the fight turned out, no doubt that through about the

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first six rounds, or through the
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got really messed up in the sixth
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might have had a five to nothing. You know, Hard a Tunion was

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winning the fight. Handle he was
up on all three cards after six and

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that's with losing round six, So
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on the cards, and to Frank
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at the end of the fight,
he really picked it up in the last

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rounds. Derek James, who was
his trainer, was very clear. You

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could hear him on the audio on
showtime after round nine telling him, you

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know, I need you to knock
him down. I forget I think he

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said, you gotta nock him down. You got to pick it up.

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You know, we need we need
to you know, we need to get

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this guy. Like he was really
urgent. You know, he said,

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I now that I remember he's the
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You're not doing enough. And Frank
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the post fight interview with Jim Gray
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bit off. He wasn't sure why, but it just wasn't what it normally

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is. But the thing is,
and that's this is the thing about whether

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a guy is going to the promise
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a regular guy. When you find
yourself in the position of I'm not having

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my best night, you still find
a way to win. And Frank Martin

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found a way to win against a
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who just because people didn't know about
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He based on what I saw on
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be able to compete with pretty much
any of the top lightweights. Now,

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he may not do well against certain
guys that shit Core Stevenson. You know,

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nobody's going to do well against for
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Haney, but other lightweights out there, he's not going to be out plassed

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or outmatched or you know, out
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for Frank to go get this win, it was a big win for him

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because it was a WBC officiall eliminator. That doesn't mean he's going to get

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the title shot in the next fighter
and toil like that, but he's in

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position which is important. And you
know what, can you say? It

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was a good fight And when you
go out there and you score around twelve

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knockdown, it may not have changed
the result in any way, but it

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was a big deal because it gives
you so much momentum. It wasn't like

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he hit him with a shot that
put him on the deck. As Hartunian

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said after the fight, he had
had his eye was a little swelled,

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and he had taken a good shot
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him some problems. And so rather
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and get cracked, he took a
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that was actually an intelligent thing for
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might have had enough on the cards
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ten eight round turn out that he
did not. But a good fight and

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a good result for Frank Martin who
moves on and I'm interested to see what's

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next. But this is what I
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TJ. The best result of a
boxing matches when both guys elevate themselves,

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and in this fight, I feel
like both fighters elevated themselves. If you

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were to look at you know,
a network making a schedule or read a

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news reporter whatever, and you saw
a harder tuning was back in action against

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another decent lightweight, you'd be like, oh, yeah, bring him on.

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I don't want to watch that guy
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So I believe he'll make you know
his first twelve fights went around with

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nobody knowing anything about him. That
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He made good account of himself.
Hope to see him back. And

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for Frank Martin, he's moving on
and it goes again his training as you

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mentioned with Jered James, and it
is in a big time stable of fighters

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right now too, and some of
that may rub off and some of that

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knowledge and being around those guys can't
hurt. And he does get the win

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in the main event a right rest
of the card again, Elvis Rodriguez got

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the KO against the veteran formal world
champion, Victor Postal and so tell me,

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tell me about that in the co
feature and anything else off the showtime

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PBC card in the recap. Well, Elvis Rodriguez is an up and coming

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fighter. He's a younger on the
younger end of things, in his twenty

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still and you got postal former on
hundred and forty pound title holder who's thirty

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nine years old. Um, you
know, who's getting a little bit long

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in the tooth. Now. Never
can question his heart, never can question

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his competitive spirit. He's fought good
opponents. You know, he took a

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loss two years ago when he was
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But now he's getting to the point
where you know, the years and

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the and the and the punches are
wearing on him. You know, he's

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lost his three He's now lost three
in a row. Go back to the

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August of twenty twenty, he gave
a great account of himself when he challenged

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Jose Ramirez, who was at the
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one. Lost a majority decision.
A lot of people thought he won the

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fight. That was probably his last, very good performance. Still lost.

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Nonetheless, could have maybe had his
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it wasn't necessarily in the United States, are in Jose's backyard, so just

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you know, pretty much. But
then it's been a lot of inactivity.

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He had the knockout loss to Gary
Antoine Russell, who really just dominated him

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and stopped him in the last fight. That's, you know, a year

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and a half ago, February of
twenty twenty two. Has in thoughts in

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sentail. The other night. Now
he goes in with Elvis Ardriguez and he

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came out in the first half of
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Now he was on the official scorecards. He won the first round across the

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board and was then had lost the
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So even though it was five one
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you know, you can have a
five one fight, but every round is

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competitive. That was this type of
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he was doing very well. Everything
kind of changed in the I believe it

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was the end of the fifth round
where he first he got hurt to the

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nose and got doubled over with the
body shot and it kind of all fell

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apart from there. And Rodriguez,
you know, this is the difference from

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a kid that's twenty seven with a
lot of energy and a guy that's thirty

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nine. It hasn't fought in a
while, that's taken a lot of punches.

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You know, that that experienced level
on that freshness. You know,

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you could see it separated itself big
time in the second half of the fight.

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And you know, he ended up
knocking him down with some good right

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hooks, you know, because Rudwick
is a softball. And finally, you

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know, he got stopped with the
shot. You know, the refere he

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did the smart thing. He had
taken a couple of shots. He went

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to the ropes. He's an older
fighter, he's coming off of a rough

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knockout, lost quite a while ago, and they stopped the fight. It's

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a great win for Elvis. It's
to me, it's the biggest win of

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Elvis's career. I've never been hugely
high end Elvis, but I've always had

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a lot of respect for Postal.
Gave a great effort as always, But

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he's now to the point where I
don't know what he's going to do in

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the future, but he's now there
where you're like, Okay, it might

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be time to call it a day. He probably don't disagree. He was

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good at the beginning of the fight, but at thirty nine he was taking

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punishment at the end of that.
And you really wonder, just on your

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point, where does he go from
here? And how much longer at thirty

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nine years of age for post I
mean, does he want to be a

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stepping stone? I mean? And
what happens is you get to this point.

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I don't know what his purse was
last night, but I'm sure he

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made, you know, hopefully he
made six figures or you know, in

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that realm. But every time now
you lose, you get knocked out.

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Now you've got three loss in a
row, and they bring you back and

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maybe made one hundred and fifty and
now okay, we'll give you one hundred.

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Your pay goes down, not up. And so you have to get

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to the point where is it worth
your time and the physical grind and the

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effort and the and the mental strain
of being away from your family and all

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the things that go in to putting
yourself, you know, through the grind

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of a training camp to be ready
for an actual fight. So post Well

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has got some thinking about things to
do. But you know, for Elvis,

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it's a good win and he's moving
on. He look at one hundred

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forty pound weight class, a hot
division. There's a lot of a lot

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of good opportunities and fights in that
weight class. And and Showtime seems to

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like him. They've been putting him
on and you know, good luck to

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him. He's you know, the
thing that was interesting is that Freddie Roach

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had trained it still trains Elvis.
He spent many years training Postal. He

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was in the corner win post All
lost the title fight, for example,

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against Josie Ramirez. They have sparred
together in many rounds in the wild card

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gym. Freddie had his guys working
with each other, so they were very

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familiar with each other from those days. And you know, in the end

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it was Rodrigueus where the youth prevailed
and anything else. On the welterweight prospect,

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they moved him up again. We
explained this, You did a great

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job of explaining it over and over
again. It's Fraudy's Fraudy's role host.

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I believe I got to right the
welterweight prospect. He won by t K

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or anything else noteworthy there on that
guy moving up, well, just the

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thing about him is that, you
know, he'd never been on national television

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before. He'd been on these under
cards, young fighter now he's eleven and

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oz with eleven knockouts. He looked
good. I mean, what can you

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say. The guy got the opportunity. He was so thrilled when he found

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out that his fight was being elevated
to the television portion when they made the

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switches that we talked about last week, and so when the Donair fight was

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moved to the pay per view with
spencing Crawford, it obviously opened up his

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position on the showtime broadcast because they
wanted to continue to present a triple header,

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so they took his fight against Sanchez, who was not you know,

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I don't you know, not like
he had huge accomplishments or resume, but

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he was nineteen and one going into
the fight, so it's not like he

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was you know, based on the
record alone, it's okay, it looks

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good. A Mexican fighter, you
know, can figure he's pretty tough,

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right, And not only did Rojas
to win, but he did a good

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job in doing so. He dominated
the fight. He's from Vegas, so

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you got to figure a lot of
the fans that were there were his people

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that had come out to see him. And he's a twenty five year old

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kid that had so much exuberance and
so much happiness to be on this event.

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He was thrilled to get the opportunity, and when presented with the chance

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to go on to the television card
and make an impression on the public,

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he did that because here we are
talking about him, and now I'm sure

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we're not the only ones. If
he'd been on the undercard non televisor even

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just part of like a stream,
you know on social media, you know

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it might be a couple of people
would have checked it out, but not

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the same level when you're the opener
on Showtime's main card, so you know

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he's the kind of guy you want
to see again. I mean that card

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on Saturday was a low budget card
relatively speaking. It wasn't filled with big

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names, but in the end it
turned out to be three good, solid

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fights. I mean not that I
didn't think it would be, but Rojas

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in a dominating performance, but an
entertaining performance. He wins. He moves

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on at an undefeated record with all
by knockout. See what he does next

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again fighting in the Waterway division.
There's opportunity at some point, still has

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some seasoning to be done. It's
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Yet and as I mentioned with the
postal Rodriguez fight, Rodriguez had probably his

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best performance overall of his career so
far, taking down a former tidle holder.

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And we discussed the main event highly
entertaining, highly competitive, to quality

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guys that both elevated themselves. So
I believe that again, if you took

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the time to watch that showtime card, you came away having enjoyed yourself and

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saw some good talent, good stuff. Let's move on, and that is

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the Matchroom de Zone card. And
let me apologize because I'm usually a stickler

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for this. Alicia bomb Gardner victorious
by ten round decision, and Christina Leonarda

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to Leonarda too, if I say
it correctly, not Len Dart. As

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I said in the preview mode,
she deserves to have her name not butchered

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by me. She gave a good
accounting. I thought bomb Gardner earlier in

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the fight. Her hurt and here
we go back to the two minute rounds

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versus the three minute rounds. Ifs
and butts were candy and nuts, Raypield,

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we all have a merry Christmas.
If she'd had another minute, maybe

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she puts her down when she had
her hurt, maybe stops her. It

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didn't happen. Leonarda two was able
to survive the rounds, survive the fight.

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I don't think there's any qualm with
bomb. Gardner was the better fighter,

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dominated the fight, and got the
decision. It just looked for a

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little bit like we were going to
lose out on the bet Us Show.

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It might be a stoppage, it
might be a t KO. But leonarda

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to two was able to survive and
it was a decision that was the main

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event. So what about that fight
and the rest of the card in Detroit

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for Matrum, Well, I kind
of agree with you when you talk about

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the fact that the women's fights are
two minute rounds instead of three minute rounds,

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and what you know, what could
be, what is, what might

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be, etc. But I'm over
that. Okay, women's boxing matches are

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two minute rounds in certain jurisdictions.
The default is two minutes, but if

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both parties agree, they will extend
it to three minutes. You don't see

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that happen often. It does happen
occasionally, but I'm I don't have a

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strong opinion one way or the other. If the women want to go three

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and the commission says, good,
I'm okay with that. If they want

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to continue to do two rounds,
I'm fine with that. So I'm over

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that it's two minute rounds. And
it's the same thing as when you see

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a fight that's close and they go
when it's the twelfth round, well,

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what if it was a fifteen round
fight like it was back in the day

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when it was separates you know,
the men from the boys. As they

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say in the real quote unquote from
my child, that the real all championship

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rounds are, you know, thirteen, fourteen, and fifteen. So but

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that's not that's not boxing anymore.
It's twelve rounds for a championship fight.

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Women's boxing matches are ten rounds.
So I don't deal with the the the

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irrelevance of the notion that these are
three minute could be three minute rounds,

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They're just not. So that aside, Alicia fought a hell of a fight

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and her opponent landarta two. She
was very game, she was tough as

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now. She came in with some
accomplishment of her own. She was a

408
00:23:45,799 --> 00:23:51,440
two time w WBO title holder at
one hundred and forty pounds. She had

409
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lost previously in a you know,
a good solid fight against Katie Taylor when

410
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Katie had went from lightweight to just
take a shot at the title one forty

411
00:24:00,920 --> 00:24:03,720
she did in her last fight against
Chantel Cameron, who was undisputed and lost

412
00:24:03,880 --> 00:24:06,359
when she went up just a challenge
for the WBO a couple of years ago

413
00:24:06,759 --> 00:24:10,039
against Christina. She won that fight
and then vacated and went back down,

414
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and then Christina regained the title after
that. But anyway, the point I'm

415
00:24:12,039 --> 00:24:15,559
making here she fought a credible opponent, but more so, whatever her credibility

416
00:24:15,680 --> 00:24:19,160
is, this was a revenge fight. In twenty eighteen, almost five years

417
00:24:19,160 --> 00:24:22,279
ago to the day that they met. In the rematch, bomb Gunner lost

418
00:24:22,319 --> 00:24:26,039
her and a split decision in an
eight rounder in Louisville, Kentucky and a

419
00:24:26,119 --> 00:24:30,319
small card that was promoted by the
old now defunct even Or Holyfield Company.

420
00:24:30,000 --> 00:24:33,279
And so she wanted to, as
she said, get that lick back,

421
00:24:33,359 --> 00:24:36,880
and she did, and she did
it in good style. She had a

422
00:24:36,920 --> 00:24:40,839
hometown crowd behind her because she was
making her homecoming fight in Detroit, all

423
00:24:40,880 --> 00:24:42,960
the luminaries there. You had Michigan, you know, Tommy Hearns's ring side,

424
00:24:44,000 --> 00:24:45,400
which is you know, he's the
Detroit goat, as they say.

425
00:24:45,440 --> 00:24:49,400
Claressa Shields, who was from Michigan, she was there watching supporting her fellow

426
00:24:49,880 --> 00:24:56,200
Top women's star. It was a
good fight. I mean again, both

427
00:24:56,279 --> 00:24:59,000
of them went in there to do
their best. They put on a heck

428
00:24:59,039 --> 00:25:02,240
of a show. And uh and
but but Bam Gardner. She was clearly

429
00:25:02,319 --> 00:25:06,359
the better fighter that night. She
was uh, faster, bigger, which

430
00:25:06,440 --> 00:25:08,519
is surprising because the other woman had
fought at one forty so many times.

431
00:25:10,000 --> 00:25:11,680
Um, she just had better snap
on her punches. It seemed like she

432
00:25:11,720 --> 00:25:15,759
had better defense. Uh Lndarta two
was a little more reckless. She didn't

433
00:25:15,759 --> 00:25:19,440
really seem to be able to land
clean Alicia. She was much more controlled

434
00:25:19,480 --> 00:25:22,359
with her punches. Maybe let's call
it economical, but she when she let

435
00:25:22,440 --> 00:25:26,319
him go, she landed quite a
bit of them, and she was close

436
00:25:26,359 --> 00:25:29,039
to a stop at your one point. You know. Landarta two also hadn't

437
00:25:29,039 --> 00:25:30,319
fought for you know, a little
over a year, I guess. And

438
00:25:30,559 --> 00:25:33,319
uh, you want to talk about
some shit talk. When asked about what

439
00:25:33,400 --> 00:25:37,839
she was saying, tell Landarta two, she said that baby, she had

440
00:25:37,839 --> 00:25:40,759
a baby, Lendarda two, which
is why she was offer so she gave

441
00:25:40,839 --> 00:25:42,759
birth, so you know she's a
mom and she's back in the ring.

442
00:25:44,000 --> 00:25:47,880
But as Alicia said to her,
uh the baby slowed you down. You're

443
00:25:47,880 --> 00:25:51,839
not fast enough, and uh you
know that was that was some of the

444
00:25:51,839 --> 00:25:53,599
best away with that. If you're
the champ and you're scoring your lefts and

445
00:25:53,680 --> 00:25:56,400
your rights, you can get away
with that trash talk. We all went

446
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451
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with Pride because as Supervalue, we
believe community includes everyone. Yeah, but

452
00:26:27,720 --> 00:26:32,000
this is the big upshot of this. So she wins the fight. As

453
00:26:32,039 --> 00:26:33,799
we've discussed before, in the women's
side of boxing, there are is an

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00:26:33,880 --> 00:26:37,160
undisputed champion at one hundred and twenty
six pounds in Serrano one hundred and thirty

455
00:26:37,160 --> 00:26:42,240
pound undisputed in Alicia one hundred thirty
five undisputed in Katie Taylor, one hundred

456
00:26:42,279 --> 00:26:48,799
forty pound undisputed in Shantel Cameron,
and of those, all of them except

457
00:26:48,839 --> 00:26:55,559
for Serrano are with match Room Boxing, and Serrano has done business with Matchroom

458
00:26:55,559 --> 00:26:59,119
Boxing. From the standpoint of match
Room Boxing. Eddie Hearns, you know

459
00:26:59,160 --> 00:27:02,559
who runs ZA comp and Jake Paul, who is the promoter his company,

460
00:27:02,640 --> 00:27:07,000
the promoter for Serrano. They worked
together on a huge fight between Katie Taylor

461
00:27:07,039 --> 00:27:10,720
and Toronto, so they know each
other. They've done business together. She

462
00:27:11,000 --> 00:27:15,799
wants to fight one of those women, whether it's Serranto or Taylor or Shantel

463
00:27:15,480 --> 00:27:19,599
or you know, some combination make
the big match. And Eddie Hearn sat

464
00:27:19,640 --> 00:27:22,480
in the post fight that she deserves
a big fight. We want to get

465
00:27:22,480 --> 00:27:26,880
her a big fight. They're doing
the Cameron versus Taylor rematch in the fall,

466
00:27:27,519 --> 00:27:30,160
so that's off the table for the
time being, but he would love

467
00:27:30,240 --> 00:27:33,759
to match her with Serranto. Now. Serrano has a date on August fifth

468
00:27:33,920 --> 00:27:38,079
on the Jake Paul Nate Diaz pay
per view undercard. She's taking on the

469
00:27:38,160 --> 00:27:42,160
former featherweight title holder Heather Hardy,
who she already defeated very easily, but

470
00:27:42,279 --> 00:27:48,200
she's giving her the rematch. Nothing
against party, but that should be a

471
00:27:48,400 --> 00:27:52,240
straightforward victory for Serranto, and if
that is the case, maybe they can

472
00:27:52,319 --> 00:27:56,839
make bomb Garner against Serranto. Serranto
has never had a problem going up and

473
00:27:56,880 --> 00:27:59,440
down and wait, she's fought as
heavy as one forty. She's now on

474
00:27:59,519 --> 00:28:02,559
disputed a featherweight point being is for
her to go to one hundred and thirty

475
00:28:03,000 --> 00:28:07,000
to challenge bomb Garner for the undisputed
title probably wouldn't be an issue. I

476
00:28:07,039 --> 00:28:08,920
didn't hear them talk about the possibility
of I don't think she would go down

477
00:28:08,960 --> 00:28:12,720
to one twenty six to try to
challenge for Serrano's title. But that's a

478
00:28:12,839 --> 00:28:17,759
good thing. In women's boxing,
the best regularly fight the best. Yes,

479
00:28:18,119 --> 00:28:19,880
there is not as much of a
barrier of doing so when it comes

480
00:28:19,880 --> 00:28:23,279
to promotion or television or frankly,
in terms of how much the women weigh.

481
00:28:23,519 --> 00:28:26,720
They seem much more willing and able
to move not only up but also

482
00:28:26,839 --> 00:28:33,240
down, And so this is it
will be maybe in the future, because

483
00:28:33,279 --> 00:28:37,960
it's still early in women's boxing history, sort of like a golden age of

484
00:28:37,000 --> 00:28:40,640
women's boxing, where you have all
these undisputed champions who are willing to fight

485
00:28:40,720 --> 00:28:42,359
the best women. And I don't
know about you, but sign me up

486
00:28:42,400 --> 00:28:45,079
for Bomb Garner Toronto if they can
make it happen. Yes, I would

487
00:28:45,079 --> 00:28:48,559
agree on that, and we'll find
out soon enough because they're on the same

488
00:28:48,640 --> 00:28:52,319
timeline kind of here where that fight
could be late in the year if they

489
00:28:52,400 --> 00:28:56,200
wanted to make it happen. We'll
see on bomb Gardner and Serrano we're talking

490
00:28:56,200 --> 00:29:00,200
about for bomb Gardner's titles. And
you're right. I mean Sarrano moved all

491
00:29:00,200 --> 00:29:02,519
the way up to one thirty five
to fight Katie Taylor. This would be

492
00:29:02,559 --> 00:29:06,559
moving up to fight one thirty again. We'll hear from Stephen Fulton in just

493
00:29:06,640 --> 00:29:10,559
a couple of minutes. Rest of
that card saw Andy Cruz the Cuban did

494
00:29:10,640 --> 00:29:15,000
get a ten round decision. The
fight went the full ten against Juan Carlos

495
00:29:15,079 --> 00:29:19,000
Burgos and he got the win.
And heavyweight American Jermaine Franklin did beat up

496
00:29:19,160 --> 00:29:25,039
on Isaac Munio's of Mexico and got
the ten round decision, snapping his little

497
00:29:25,079 --> 00:29:27,839
brief two fight losing streak. Anything
else there stand out from those two fights

498
00:29:27,920 --> 00:29:30,200
of note, I would just say, in terms of Andy Cruz, you

499
00:29:30,240 --> 00:29:33,839
know, my thought was, is
he gonna fight like an amateur and stink

500
00:29:33,880 --> 00:29:34,599
it out, or is he gonna
fight like a real pro and trying to

501
00:29:34,640 --> 00:29:38,599
make a fight, you know,
still be defensively responsible, but actually try

502
00:29:38,640 --> 00:29:41,400
to make it somewhat entertaining. And
I thought he did the latter. I

503
00:29:41,440 --> 00:29:45,880
mean it was for a fighter coming
off an Olympic gold medal, and you

504
00:29:45,960 --> 00:29:48,720
know, he's a three time World
Amateur champion, a two time Pan American

505
00:29:48,799 --> 00:29:52,920
champion, a guy did everything as
amateur, one of the most decorated amateur

506
00:29:52,960 --> 00:29:56,000
fighters of recent times. It's still
a different sport in the professional ranks.

507
00:29:56,279 --> 00:29:59,559
Turn pro and a ten rounder against
a faded guy, but is still a

508
00:29:59,680 --> 00:30:02,839
legit mint guy who's been in the
ring with everybody, who's coming off of

509
00:30:02,839 --> 00:30:07,160
an eight round decision loss to Keyshan
Davis. Obviously one of the top prospects

510
00:30:07,200 --> 00:30:10,119
in boxing. I picked him as
my fight for each Unite Prospect of the

511
00:30:10,200 --> 00:30:15,079
Year in twenty and twenty one and
our twenty and twenty two I should say

512
00:30:15,480 --> 00:30:18,240
and and uh. He also had
fought Andy Cruise four times the amateurs and

513
00:30:18,319 --> 00:30:22,480
lost him each time, including in
the Gold Medal Games, a gold medal

514
00:30:22,519 --> 00:30:26,680
match, so here was a chance
to sort of assess Andy Cruise as a

515
00:30:26,720 --> 00:30:30,480
professional against Keyshan Davis as a professional, and they both beat Burgos, you

516
00:30:30,480 --> 00:30:33,240
know, pretty much in the same
manner by shout out. Difference being that

517
00:30:33,319 --> 00:30:37,640
when Andy Cruise beat him, he
did it in his professional debut in a

518
00:30:37,680 --> 00:30:41,480
ten rounder, not in like his
ninth fight in an eight rounder. But

519
00:30:41,559 --> 00:30:44,000
I thought he any looked good.
I mean, I'm interested to see his

520
00:30:44,039 --> 00:30:45,799
development, see him again. Uh, match Room when they signed him,

521
00:30:45,839 --> 00:30:48,240
Eddie Hearn said, you know,
we're not in this to give him,

522
00:30:48,279 --> 00:30:52,160
you know, a whole million fights
to to build them up. They want

523
00:30:52,160 --> 00:30:52,960
to give him a couple of you
know, three or four fights, but

524
00:30:53,000 --> 00:30:56,359
they want to have him into a
significant fight in the very short order.

525
00:30:56,440 --> 00:31:00,200
So you know, figure you know, three, four or five fight him,

526
00:31:00,200 --> 00:31:03,839
we'll seem in something significant. For
I'm antist. Put it like this,

527
00:31:03,400 --> 00:31:07,599
I don't care who you are.
If you're taking on Juan Carlos Burgos

528
00:31:08,079 --> 00:31:14,799
in your professional debut in a ten
rounder and you shut him out, you're

529
00:31:14,799 --> 00:31:17,400
a good fighter. And Andy Cruz
is already a good fighter, and I

530
00:31:17,400 --> 00:31:19,640
would give him a chance against a
lot of bality lightweights already. I'm not

531
00:31:19,680 --> 00:31:23,279
saying you're gonna put him in with
Haney or Loma Chenko or you know,

532
00:31:23,400 --> 00:31:29,279
those types of guys or whatever.
But he can handle himself against anybody.

533
00:31:29,400 --> 00:31:32,440
This guy knows what he's doing in
the ring, and this is the beginning

534
00:31:32,519 --> 00:31:34,559
of what we hope will become something
impressive. And as far as Jermaine Franklin

535
00:31:34,640 --> 00:31:37,680
goes, he's gonna be guys like
monios all day long. It was a

536
00:31:37,759 --> 00:31:41,759
punching bag, you know, not
not the most appealing fight in the world,

537
00:31:41,759 --> 00:31:44,720
but Franklin did a good job.
He did what he was supposed to

538
00:31:44,759 --> 00:31:47,880
do. He's coming off a two
five losing street because he fought two of

539
00:31:47,920 --> 00:31:51,759
the better heavyweights in the sport,
including in his most recent fight against you

540
00:31:52,119 --> 00:31:55,799
against Anthony Joshua earlier this year and
then in the end of last year,

541
00:31:55,880 --> 00:31:59,519
a very close fight that you could
maybe say Jermaine deserved to win against Delian

542
00:31:59,559 --> 00:32:04,000
White. I don't think Franklin's gonna
be heavyweight champ anytime soon, but because

543
00:32:04,079 --> 00:32:07,359
he wins against those types of guys, and he's durable and he did make

544
00:32:07,400 --> 00:32:09,759
a great fight against White, you
know he's going to continue to get phone

545
00:32:09,759 --> 00:32:17,160
calls and get work good enough off
the match Room to Zone show in Detroit.

546
00:32:17,359 --> 00:32:21,920
Let's get to it now. Coming
up, you are going to have

547
00:32:22,160 --> 00:32:27,319
an outstanding midweek title fight. This
is not this week, but it's going

548
00:32:27,400 --> 00:32:31,319
to be early next week. Tuesday
morning, July twenty fifth in the US

549
00:32:31,599 --> 00:32:38,880
is Primetime. In Japan for Tuesday
night, July fifth is Stephen Fulton defends

550
00:32:38,920 --> 00:32:44,519
his WBC and WBO one hundred and
twenty two pound titles against the Monster,

551
00:32:44,640 --> 00:32:47,200
the former undisputed bandom weight champion and
one of the best pound for pound fighters.

552
00:32:47,240 --> 00:32:52,839
There are outstanding fight on paper in
Japan. Fulton, by the way,

553
00:32:52,920 --> 00:32:57,319
has made his way to Japan.
He's landed there, but just before

554
00:32:57,440 --> 00:33:00,279
he was there, what do you
have to do before you're gonna go and

555
00:33:00,359 --> 00:33:04,599
defend your titles in Japan? You
gotta talk to Dan Raphael about it.

556
00:33:04,880 --> 00:33:07,839
So let's hear that one on one
conversation about Fulton, his excitement for this

557
00:33:08,000 --> 00:33:12,440
fight, and then talk about the
interview a little bit more after you hear

558
00:33:12,480 --> 00:33:15,400
the conversation. Right now, I
want to welcome this week to the podcast.

559
00:33:15,839 --> 00:33:20,880
It is the unified WBC and w
BO Junior Featherweight Champion of the World,

560
00:33:20,920 --> 00:33:23,200
one of the best pound for pound
fighters in boxing. It's a Philadelphia's

561
00:33:23,240 --> 00:33:27,200
own Stephen Fulton. Stephen, welcome
and thank you very much for doing this.

562
00:33:28,240 --> 00:33:30,279
I appreciate you, you bet.
So we're here to talk about the

563
00:33:30,319 --> 00:33:35,160
big fight you've got coming up.
You're heading over to Japan to take on

564
00:33:35,599 --> 00:33:37,960
a title defense against noye in Away, also one of the best fighters in

565
00:33:38,000 --> 00:33:42,279
the world pound for pound. He's
moving up and weight having vacated the band

566
00:33:42,279 --> 00:33:45,519
and weight undisputed championship, to challenge
you for your titles at one hundred and

567
00:33:45,519 --> 00:33:47,480
twenty two pounds. And I think
most boxing fans, Stephen, think this

568
00:33:47,640 --> 00:33:52,000
is literally one of the best fights
that could be made in boxing, you

569
00:33:52,079 --> 00:33:54,200
know, one of the one of
the best matchups that's available in the sport.

570
00:33:55,079 --> 00:33:58,400
And so I think we all appreciate
that this is being made. But

571
00:33:58,440 --> 00:34:00,119
I'm wondering, from your point of
view, what was it that made you

572
00:34:00,319 --> 00:34:04,240
so interested in this particular matchup.
You could have had other fights in your

573
00:34:04,279 --> 00:34:07,360
weight class or out of your weight
class for that matter. It was an

574
00:34:07,400 --> 00:34:12,679
intriguing fight, it was it was
something that made since as well as why

575
00:34:12,760 --> 00:34:20,119
not you know, finished the division
off with a band like this? And

576
00:34:20,239 --> 00:34:24,519
I also seen like this fight,
like me being out of Japan years ago,

577
00:34:24,599 --> 00:34:28,480
I've seen this like I feel like
everything was meant to happen this way.

578
00:34:28,840 --> 00:34:31,159
So no reservations about going to Japan
or you just you seem like you're

579
00:34:31,159 --> 00:34:37,320
embracing the trip. No problem,
I'm embracing it. You said, by

580
00:34:37,320 --> 00:34:38,639
the way, finish off the division
with a bank. Does that mean that

581
00:34:39,000 --> 00:34:45,800
after this is done that your intentions
are to go to featherweight? I believe

582
00:34:45,840 --> 00:34:50,599
they made the winner. I mean, yeah, I believe Taplos is mandatory

583
00:34:50,760 --> 00:34:53,760
to face the winner, so I
might as well going to get that and

584
00:34:53,880 --> 00:34:59,159
then you know, move up.
Oh I got you with that, But

585
00:34:59,199 --> 00:35:01,039
obviously you got to take care of
this fight first. And so one of

586
00:35:01,039 --> 00:35:04,880
the things that intrigues me about the
fight, besides just the great matchup,

587
00:35:04,960 --> 00:35:07,519
is that you know, on the
business side of things, Stephen, you

588
00:35:07,599 --> 00:35:12,239
know, boxing matches between promotional companies
and TV networks, etc. They're hard

589
00:35:12,280 --> 00:35:15,679
to make. Sometimes we've seen what
happened trying to make Errol Spence and Terrence

590
00:35:15,719 --> 00:35:17,559
Crawford, for example. For all
this time it's taken, it feels like

591
00:35:17,679 --> 00:35:22,079
when when when you and Anyway started
to have the conversations or your teams.

592
00:35:22,119 --> 00:35:25,239
Did the fight got made in like
five minutes? Can you explain to me

593
00:35:25,679 --> 00:35:30,159
why it was so easy, at
least from the outside looking in for this

594
00:35:30,400 --> 00:35:34,519
kind of matchup, A significant felt
like this to get made so quickly,

595
00:35:35,119 --> 00:35:38,800
with no drama, with no nonsense, no a side, no sides of

596
00:35:38,880 --> 00:35:43,199
the street, no nothing. It
just got done. I mean, it

597
00:35:43,320 --> 00:35:45,760
was something that I wanted to happen, so I was giving a blessing.

598
00:35:46,000 --> 00:35:50,639
So I feel like, when you
really want things to happen, y'all two

599
00:35:50,719 --> 00:35:52,880
men to sit down and you know, make it happen. And that's what

600
00:35:52,000 --> 00:35:55,280
we did. I feel like over
the fall I spoke with Al and my

601
00:35:55,400 --> 00:36:00,760
matchmaker Lou and um and I'll say, like that what you want to do,

602
00:36:00,400 --> 00:36:05,280
let him do it. And now
we're here. And I have to

603
00:36:05,360 --> 00:36:07,559
assume also, at least from your
point of view, in terms of the

604
00:36:07,800 --> 00:36:12,159
landscape of other fights that you could
have pursued, I think this has to

605
00:36:12,239 --> 00:36:15,519
be the biggest fight from a profile
standpoint, as well as the money.

606
00:36:15,760 --> 00:36:19,840
Correct. Yes, correct, That
answers a lot of questions right there,

607
00:36:19,880 --> 00:36:22,760
I guess. So what is your
opinion of in a way, I mean,

608
00:36:22,960 --> 00:36:25,159
those of us who have washed him
for a long time. We view

609
00:36:25,280 --> 00:36:28,880
him as I think one of the
best fighters pound for pound. He's been

610
00:36:28,920 --> 00:36:32,199
a champion in three different weight classes, the first undisputed bandamweight champion in literally

611
00:36:32,239 --> 00:36:37,360
like fifty years. What do you
think about his talents? Oh, he's

612
00:36:37,440 --> 00:36:42,599
very talented. He's very talented.
He's skillful. He's more known for his

613
00:36:42,760 --> 00:36:46,440
power than anything, but he's very
skillful. From what I see, he's

614
00:36:46,519 --> 00:36:52,000
a smart fighter. But I also
feel like no one was in the ring

615
00:36:52,079 --> 00:36:57,320
room to really challenge to those mental
skills yet. So you don't think a

616
00:36:57,400 --> 00:37:00,880
fighter like that's a Hall of Fame
fighter like a nonido and their first fight

617
00:37:00,920 --> 00:37:06,440
anyway, challenge him in that sense. Uh. I feel like and that

618
00:37:06,639 --> 00:37:12,519
first fight, you know, I
wouldn't say No Needle challenged him mentally.

619
00:37:12,599 --> 00:37:15,639
I feel like No Needle just you
know, as a dog. So that

620
00:37:15,639 --> 00:37:16,840
I felt like that's what he wanted
to do, and that's what got him

621
00:37:16,920 --> 00:37:21,159
hurt the second fight by him just
you know, trying to take the fight.

622
00:37:21,239 --> 00:37:24,320
He wasn't really being a smart fighter
the first or if that second fight,

623
00:37:24,400 --> 00:37:27,559
the second fight, the first fighter
was like, ah, it was

624
00:37:27,599 --> 00:37:31,679
a nice fight, but the second
fight, Uh, anyway, was like

625
00:37:32,079 --> 00:37:36,519
already used to this style, already
used to him he had. He came

626
00:37:36,559 --> 00:37:38,159
in the second fight with more confidence
the second time, so it was like,

627
00:37:39,559 --> 00:37:42,280
yeah, a good fight. Yeah. And the first time, of

628
00:37:42,320 --> 00:37:45,639
course, like anyone really challenged him
mentally yet, and that first fight,

629
00:37:45,679 --> 00:37:47,599
of course they had the fight of
the year. Um what, I'm also

630
00:37:47,639 --> 00:37:51,800
interested in your opinion of this.
I mean, I understand you've explained,

631
00:37:51,920 --> 00:37:53,880
you know your your desire for this
fight. What do you think it says

632
00:37:53,880 --> 00:37:59,360
about him? He becomes undisputed in
the bandomweight division, and he makes a

633
00:37:59,440 --> 00:38:01,000
lot of money in Japan. He
brings in a tremendous amount of fans in

634
00:38:01,000 --> 00:38:05,320
the arenas where where he packs them
in over there. So when he decided

635
00:38:05,320 --> 00:38:07,039
to move up to junior featherruweight,
he could have probably had a fight just

636
00:38:07,119 --> 00:38:09,760
to sort of like feel out the
weight class, you know, take a

637
00:38:09,880 --> 00:38:12,960
softer fight, get used to things, still put on a big event.

638
00:38:13,519 --> 00:38:15,840
But he didn't do that. He
decided, you know what, I'm going

639
00:38:15,920 --> 00:38:19,440
after the big the best guy in
the weight class, and that's Stephen Fulton.

640
00:38:19,480 --> 00:38:22,360
I don't think anybody argues the point
that you're number one in the weight

641
00:38:22,440 --> 00:38:23,719
class. He went right for number
one, right out of the gate.

642
00:38:23,760 --> 00:38:29,159
What do you think that says about
his mentality? That speaks volume. That's

643
00:38:29,199 --> 00:38:31,679
something now would have did my sons
myself, so it speaks a lot.

644
00:38:34,159 --> 00:38:37,639
Well. You mentioned about how you
know he's known for his great punching power.

645
00:38:37,719 --> 00:38:40,719
He's got twenty one knockouts in his
twenty four fights, but I think

646
00:38:40,800 --> 00:38:45,599
most people recognize that his greatest attribute
as a puncher is a body puncher.

647
00:38:45,000 --> 00:38:49,159
He's just ruined guys to the body
many many times. I'm wondering, when

648
00:38:49,159 --> 00:38:51,800
you get ready for this fight and
you train for this fight, is that

649
00:38:51,960 --> 00:38:54,639
something that you're very cognizant of,
and how do you go about making sure

650
00:38:54,760 --> 00:38:58,239
that you protect your body against a
guy? Like? In a way,

651
00:38:59,280 --> 00:39:01,840
I'm very aware of my situations when
I go on any fight, you know,

652
00:39:02,000 --> 00:39:06,760
so when I don't, I don't
just train to train. I train

653
00:39:07,000 --> 00:39:10,239
for each fighter that I'm going up
against. But for like, I'll be

654
00:39:10,599 --> 00:39:16,719
ready and prepared to take on whatever
he bishes out that night. And this

655
00:39:16,960 --> 00:39:21,480
is also going to be he fought
in December when he became the undisputed champion

656
00:39:21,480 --> 00:39:23,559
of the dannaweight division. This will
be your first fight in thirteen months,

657
00:39:23,599 --> 00:39:27,360
So you've had a bit of a
layoff. You know, you're coming off

658
00:39:27,400 --> 00:39:30,239
to a very good win, a
shutout basically against Daniel Romand, who was

659
00:39:30,280 --> 00:39:35,519
the former unified champion in your weight
class. What was it about h What

660
00:39:35,679 --> 00:39:38,280
was the reason for such a long
layoff and are you at all concerned about

661
00:39:38,360 --> 00:39:44,039
the time off? The reason was, I was waiting to see what M

662
00:39:45,119 --> 00:39:47,719
MJ was gonna do, and you
know they was prolonging, and now look

663
00:39:47,719 --> 00:39:52,480
what happened to him. So he
lost it to police. Yeah, exactly,

664
00:39:52,719 --> 00:39:58,039
So that waiting and prolonged and then
he came up short. Um,

665
00:39:58,199 --> 00:40:00,440
do I think it would be a
fact? You know, I don't believe.

666
00:40:00,480 --> 00:40:02,239
I don't think it was a good
effect. I don't. I feel

667
00:40:02,280 --> 00:40:06,960
like I actually gave my body enough
rest. I look at it that my

668
00:40:07,079 --> 00:40:09,920
body rest, my mind rest,
not enough punishment for over a year.

669
00:40:10,079 --> 00:40:15,000
I'm I'm gonna be I feel I'm
gonna come out fresh. You know how

670
00:40:15,000 --> 00:40:16,559
it is when you when you don't
know how it is. I don't know

671
00:40:16,599 --> 00:40:21,159
how it is. Point Like,
when you fight, you win, you

672
00:40:21,239 --> 00:40:22,760
know you get you get like a
couple of a month or a couple of

673
00:40:22,760 --> 00:40:25,440
weeks off that first day back in
the gym when you spart, you look

674
00:40:25,480 --> 00:40:29,599
amazing. I feel like that's how
it be. All right, that's good

675
00:40:29,599 --> 00:40:31,400
to hear about that. You mentioned
about, you know, what you might

676
00:40:31,599 --> 00:40:34,840
want to do after this fight,
depending how things go. I guess,

677
00:40:34,880 --> 00:40:37,719
first of all, do I know
you're the champion, but because he's the

678
00:40:37,800 --> 00:40:40,440
guy over there, did he require
you to give him a rematch? Clause?

679
00:40:43,400 --> 00:40:45,280
So you're free and clear. The
people don't see this. You're shaking

680
00:40:45,320 --> 00:40:49,320
your head. No, So you're
you're you're free and clear to do your

681
00:40:49,360 --> 00:40:52,719
thing after this. Um. And
so you mentioned about maybe maybe uh some

682
00:40:52,880 --> 00:40:55,639
other fights. I mean, are
you you know Brandon figure out you guys

683
00:40:55,639 --> 00:40:59,880
had a great first fight. The
rematch was sort of in play before you

684
00:41:00,400 --> 00:41:04,320
made the deal for in a way, Uh, there there's the possibility of

685
00:41:04,360 --> 00:41:07,679
featherweight. Obviously, Ray Vargas is
with PBC. Robes Ramirez, who's got

686
00:41:07,760 --> 00:41:12,480
a title, is on your undercard
coming up, UM, and there's to

687
00:41:12,599 --> 00:41:15,280
Poulos, who's the unified champion.
Dude, what interests you will? Besides,

688
00:41:15,280 --> 00:41:17,800
and I know you're thinking about anyway, but people always like to think

689
00:41:17,800 --> 00:41:24,400
about what might be after I like
on dis beauty I like one twenty six

690
00:41:24,440 --> 00:41:30,519
and I like one thirty one thirty
Also okay, uh to Paolos, I

691
00:41:30,559 --> 00:41:34,320
mean, look, people wanted to
maybe see you and MJ. That didn't

692
00:41:34,360 --> 00:41:36,920
happen, But now the two titles
are still with the other guy, so

693
00:41:37,320 --> 00:41:40,239
you think that's a possibility. His
his people say they're going to be their

694
00:41:40,360 --> 00:41:45,320
ringside watch your fight. That's because
they want a big pay day from anyway

695
00:41:45,320 --> 00:41:50,000
they they people just want to try
to push me out the way. It

696
00:41:50,039 --> 00:41:52,480
ain't gonna go like this. Well
I'm playing. I'm pretty sure that if

697
00:41:52,519 --> 00:41:57,239
you I was, if you beat
in a way, I think there's gonna

698
00:41:57,239 --> 00:42:00,920
be pretty good payday for to Polos, they're also for sure. But you

699
00:42:00,000 --> 00:42:05,559
know how some people think it is
what it is. We don't get the

700
00:42:05,639 --> 00:42:07,760
job done though, That's how that
matters, all right, So I'll just

701
00:42:07,800 --> 00:42:09,079
wrap it up like this. I
know you're very confident. I can see

702
00:42:09,079 --> 00:42:12,760
it on your faces. I'm looking
at you here when you say you're gonna

703
00:42:12,800 --> 00:42:15,280
get the job done. How do
you think you get the job done against

704
00:42:15,320 --> 00:42:19,079
nor in a way. It depends
on how I feel when I wake up

705
00:42:19,119 --> 00:42:22,039
that morning. So you're thinking you
could maybe box them, I mean,

706
00:42:22,079 --> 00:42:24,760
you're not known as a big brawler, big every I can do what I

707
00:42:24,840 --> 00:42:29,880
can do everything. Just because I'm
not known as a puncher or a power

708
00:42:29,960 --> 00:42:32,480
puncher don't mean it ain't there fair
enough. And you're you're also listening,

709
00:42:32,519 --> 00:42:37,199
you're fighting, You're fighting in your
weight class. You're fighting a man that

710
00:42:37,320 --> 00:42:39,840
began his career as a junior flyweight. So I think there might be uh

711
00:42:40,599 --> 00:42:43,920
some kind of difference in that respect. You do you think that you have

712
00:42:44,039 --> 00:42:49,920
that that advantage. I can see
that. I also feel like I have

713
00:42:50,039 --> 00:42:54,960
the advantage of me fighting outside of
my country because my bank will be against

714
00:42:55,000 --> 00:42:58,599
the wall, so I have no
other option but to live up to the

715
00:42:58,719 --> 00:43:02,559
moment and do what I gotta do. It's a very interesting mentality because most

716
00:43:02,719 --> 00:43:07,559
fighters when they travel, I think
they look at it as a as a

717
00:43:07,719 --> 00:43:13,079
negative in terms of not being something
that's in there. You know on their

718
00:43:13,159 --> 00:43:15,800
side of the ledger that you're going
to the other guys. So hometime you

719
00:43:15,880 --> 00:43:17,880
seem to be taken it the other
way. Yeah, yeah, I like

720
00:43:19,079 --> 00:43:22,239
that. All right, I'm underdog. Hey listen, the underdog makes the

721
00:43:22,239 --> 00:43:25,400
world go around. We saw it
happen with a lot of fights over the

722
00:43:25,519 --> 00:43:29,039
years, no doubt about it.
Stephen. I wish your best of luck

723
00:43:29,079 --> 00:43:31,239
in the fight and enjoy your trip
to Japan. Hope you get some after

724
00:43:31,280 --> 00:43:35,519
the way and some good sushi,
I guess, and enjoy your trip.

725
00:43:35,760 --> 00:43:38,920
Enjoy your fight and good luck.
Thank you. So there we go,

726
00:43:39,079 --> 00:43:44,119
And I mentioned again you did that
interview just before he left for Japan.

727
00:43:44,280 --> 00:43:47,119
He has gotten there, he's getting
acclimated again. To go over it on

728
00:43:47,159 --> 00:43:52,239
the timeline, the fight is Tuesday
morning in the US, Tuesday night in

729
00:43:52,280 --> 00:43:57,079
primetime. Not this Tuesday fight fans, but next Tuesday. We'll keep talking

730
00:43:57,119 --> 00:44:00,039
about this. The twenty fifth as
we release the pod cast is the fight

731
00:44:00,159 --> 00:44:04,159
day. All right, Dan,
you got a chance to chat with him.

732
00:44:04,360 --> 00:44:06,840
How did you find him in that
conversation, I know you've dealt with

733
00:44:06,920 --> 00:44:09,960
him before or thoughts. To wrap
up that interview, Fulton's just a cool

734
00:44:10,000 --> 00:44:13,880
cat. That's That's the way I
describe a cool cat. Not nothing.

735
00:44:14,280 --> 00:44:16,360
Doesn't really seem to get him too
high or too low. He seems somewhat

736
00:44:16,360 --> 00:44:22,000
happy, go lucky, excited to
go to Japan. No, it wasn't

737
00:44:22,039 --> 00:44:23,280
like they dragged him there and then
made him go there. He was the

738
00:44:23,360 --> 00:44:27,679
one that really wanted to do this. Why not, he said, let's

739
00:44:27,719 --> 00:44:30,519
do it. You know, when
when these big fights, when so much

740
00:44:30,559 --> 00:44:34,480
gets wrapped up and there's so much
nonsense trying to make them, this one

741
00:44:34,559 --> 00:44:37,039
was a breath of fresh air because
you know you've heard about no Ya in

742
00:44:37,119 --> 00:44:39,800
a way. He said after he
knocked out Paul Butler to become undisputed,

743
00:44:39,840 --> 00:44:43,320
that he wanted to fight for the
title at one hundred and twenty two.

744
00:44:43,360 --> 00:44:45,920
I remember he mentioned Fulton by name, but he certainly said I want to

745
00:44:45,119 --> 00:44:50,639
I want to go up and fight
for the title. Fulton wanted the opportunity

746
00:44:50,760 --> 00:44:53,719
to have a big fight for himself. He was happy to go overseas,

747
00:44:54,039 --> 00:44:57,559
and so when they both were sort
of interested in each other and Fulton had

748
00:44:57,559 --> 00:45:00,440
asked his people to you know which
is PBC and Al Hayman, to try

749
00:45:00,480 --> 00:45:02,719
to please make this fight. Remember
that the PBC people wanted to have him

750
00:45:02,719 --> 00:45:06,760
fight Brandon figure Out in a rematch
that was on the books for showtime.

751
00:45:07,119 --> 00:45:08,199
He was like, I'd rather do
this. They said, okay, fine,

752
00:45:08,360 --> 00:45:12,320
anyway, here's the point. He
didn't drect it out for two years

753
00:45:12,440 --> 00:45:15,719
or three years or five years or
whatever, or have a thousand back and

754
00:45:15,840 --> 00:45:19,480
forth on social media or videos or
Twitter or do with the Tyson Fury way.

755
00:45:19,960 --> 00:45:22,679
They like adults. They made the
fight and it suddenly got announced and

756
00:45:22,719 --> 00:45:24,840
it only took like you know,
it felt like it took a few days.

757
00:45:24,920 --> 00:45:28,440
Maybe I don't know, two weeks. I mean for the fight of

758
00:45:28,480 --> 00:45:31,400
this magnitude. It was done in
a jiffy, as they say, real

759
00:45:32,599 --> 00:45:36,519
And now he's over in Japan getting
ready for the fight. In a way,

760
00:45:36,559 --> 00:45:38,679
Abby's sure is going to come in
great condition also, And when they

761
00:45:38,760 --> 00:45:42,559
made this match, I kept saying
him myself. This is literally if you

762
00:45:42,679 --> 00:45:45,320
said to anybody who's a big boxing
fan of today's sport, you know,

763
00:45:45,719 --> 00:45:49,920
pick five fights you'd like to see, like your wish list. I think

764
00:45:49,960 --> 00:45:52,639
in a way versus Fulton might very
well be on that wish list. That's

765
00:45:52,639 --> 00:45:54,760
how good of a match of it. As you have the superstar in a

766
00:45:54,840 --> 00:45:59,880
way and Fulton, who has done
what he's done to unify and fearless to

767
00:46:00,079 --> 00:46:04,320
over there. Both guys are unbeaten. Um. The winner of this fight

768
00:46:04,440 --> 00:46:06,679
is going to be the King of
one twenty two, even though there's another

769
00:46:06,760 --> 00:46:09,199
fighter out there to paulas with two
of the other belts more and more.

770
00:46:09,360 --> 00:46:14,400
More over, the winner of this
fight is going to assert themselves as you

771
00:46:14,480 --> 00:46:15,920
know, please look at me also
as a pound for pound type of guy.

772
00:46:15,960 --> 00:46:17,840
We already know that in a way
is way high on the list.

773
00:46:19,159 --> 00:46:21,760
Fulton has made his way onto the
list and some of the lower parts of

774
00:46:21,840 --> 00:46:24,840
people's list. But this is is
a real fight between two really good quality

775
00:46:24,880 --> 00:46:30,480
fighters. And as I said to
you, I think before I'm here,

776
00:46:30,800 --> 00:46:35,039
when when Top rank brings in these
fights from Japan for their ESPN Plus broadcasts,

777
00:46:36,559 --> 00:46:37,840
I don't necessarily wake up at four
or five in the morning to watch

778
00:46:37,920 --> 00:46:42,639
them. I'm setting the alarmed for
this one. Oh yeah, and there

779
00:46:42,719 --> 00:46:45,320
and there is no doubt the mon
I mean, don't I watched him,

780
00:46:45,360 --> 00:46:49,440
but I do know you just don't
always watch him live because ray Fields got

781
00:46:49,480 --> 00:46:51,960
to get his beauty rest. I
understand this. It takes a lot of

782
00:46:52,000 --> 00:46:54,000
it. By the way, in
any event, uh, in a way,

783
00:46:54,000 --> 00:46:58,920
he's already a guy that he is
a seven figure guy. He is

784
00:46:59,000 --> 00:47:01,639
a he's a form on speed,
a champion. This is an opportunity for

785
00:47:02,000 --> 00:47:07,519
Fulton, It's no secret. And
we'll talk more in the preview. Yeah,

786
00:47:07,679 --> 00:47:09,880
in a way, at this point, because of the TV deal he

787
00:47:10,000 --> 00:47:13,480
has over there at the streaming deal, and the and the gates he brings

788
00:47:13,519 --> 00:47:15,559
him. He I think at this
point he's actually an eight figure guy.

789
00:47:15,639 --> 00:47:17,599
Yeah, he may very well be
an eight figure guy. But if you're

790
00:47:17,719 --> 00:47:22,920
Stephen Fulton and you can win this
fight, you become what's often referred to

791
00:47:23,199 --> 00:47:27,800
in the free agency business or now
in the boxing business as a shot caller.

792
00:47:28,159 --> 00:47:31,519
And so that means he can now
go and get a big time rematch

793
00:47:31,679 --> 00:47:35,480
here, big time fight here or
whatever. If Fulton can win this,

794
00:47:35,559 --> 00:47:38,000
and that's why he's taking this opportunity. It's significant money for him. It's

795
00:47:38,039 --> 00:47:42,079
the biggest name. So we'll preview
this more a little later on in the

796
00:47:42,119 --> 00:47:45,559
week. But great stuff with Stephen
Fulton in advance of that, just before

797
00:47:45,599 --> 00:47:49,519
he left to go to Japan.
And again that fight a week from Tuesday

798
00:47:49,559 --> 00:47:52,239
as we released the podcast. We're
not talking about this Tuesday, savages.

799
00:47:52,480 --> 00:47:55,360
Don't get mad about. Hey,
we're building this fight up. And where

800
00:47:55,480 --> 00:47:59,840
was the fight on Tuesday? It's
next Tuesday. But we got the inn

801
00:48:00,039 --> 00:48:02,440
you in before he went to Japan. All Right, some fight news,

802
00:48:02,519 --> 00:48:07,599
some nostalgia, and then we're done. Hey, look who's out of jail

803
00:48:07,039 --> 00:48:10,440
Jervonte Davis. So we put our
podcast to bed, We put the bet

804
00:48:10,559 --> 00:48:15,199
US Handicapping Show live on Fridays to
bed. And suddenly, while you and

805
00:48:15,320 --> 00:48:20,719
I were doing the bet US Live
show, the first indication that Jervonte Davis

806
00:48:20,840 --> 00:48:23,960
was maybe not in the clink anymore
in Baltimore County was he put a social

807
00:48:24,039 --> 00:48:29,280
media post up with just an emoji
and I'm going, okay, did that

808
00:48:29,519 --> 00:48:34,360
come from like it literally a jail
computer? Probably not. So he's out,

809
00:48:34,880 --> 00:48:39,280
And as it turns out, he
was released early after How about this,

810
00:48:39,440 --> 00:48:43,079
Raphael, I read into this a
little bit. It was not just

811
00:48:43,400 --> 00:48:49,480
a new lawyer, but a second
new lawyer, a second different lawyer since

812
00:48:49,599 --> 00:48:54,159
his incarceration, finally got the argument
legally in front of the judge. He

813
00:48:54,360 --> 00:49:00,320
needs to be given early release here
for these reasons in Baltimore pres sit in

814
00:49:00,360 --> 00:49:05,039
in Baltimore law. So Jervonte Davis
released approximately two weeks early on the ninety

815
00:49:05,119 --> 00:49:10,800
day sentence for violating home confinement for
his plea agreement. So Jervonte Davis out

816
00:49:12,360 --> 00:49:15,639
on probation. Give me a couple
of thoughts or two now that we have

817
00:49:15,920 --> 00:49:19,920
that news and everybody wondering when is
he going to surface again? When are

818
00:49:19,960 --> 00:49:22,559
we going to hear from him?
When Mighty fight again? But your thoughts

819
00:49:22,679 --> 00:49:24,960
on this, Well, when I
saw the emoji that he had on Twitter,

820
00:49:25,039 --> 00:49:29,679
but I wasn't surprised because I had
heard the day before that that he

821
00:49:29,840 --> 00:49:32,280
was being released from people that were
involved with him. So I kind of

822
00:49:32,320 --> 00:49:36,360
knew that was come. I didn't
know exactly what time and if it was

823
00:49:36,400 --> 00:49:37,599
one hundred percent, but I was
said, yeah, he's getting out,

824
00:49:37,639 --> 00:49:39,920
okay. So then I saw it
him, knew that that's the case.

825
00:49:40,000 --> 00:49:45,679
But I mean, in the end, he served forty four days in the

826
00:49:45,760 --> 00:49:51,320
Baltimore jail. Remember he had been
convicted on well, he had pled guilty

827
00:49:51,400 --> 00:49:53,519
to four out of fourteen charges.
One of them was a felony for this

828
00:49:53,639 --> 00:49:59,239
incident that took place in twenty and
twenty where he left four people injured and

829
00:49:59,400 --> 00:50:02,800
fled the scene late night coming out
of a you know, and by the

830
00:50:02,840 --> 00:50:07,760
way, did so driving with a
suspended license or without a license. Had

831
00:50:07,760 --> 00:50:09,199
a lot of issues. Let's put
it like that got the gift from the

832
00:50:09,320 --> 00:50:13,639
judge of home confinement. Fucked that
up, ended up, you know,

833
00:50:13,880 --> 00:50:15,760
being in place where he wasn't supposed
to living in a four seasons hotel,

834
00:50:16,039 --> 00:50:21,599
buying new property because he was supposed
to be in Baltimore in the home of

835
00:50:21,679 --> 00:50:25,960
his trainer, Calvin Ford. Remember, because even though Jivante is from Baltimore,

836
00:50:27,039 --> 00:50:30,519
he's actually making his home these days
in South Florida, where he has

837
00:50:30,599 --> 00:50:32,519
property. So he didn't have a
place to live in Baltimore. And you

838
00:50:32,599 --> 00:50:35,880
know, he was upset he was
too small. Okay, you're supposed to

839
00:50:35,880 --> 00:50:39,039
be in jail, which a jailso
is a lot smaller than your trainer's condo

840
00:50:39,119 --> 00:50:43,880
or apartment or whatever. Anyway,
the judge found out about a center to

841
00:50:43,960 --> 00:50:47,039
jail. He served the forty four
days. Hopefully he learned from this.

842
00:50:47,199 --> 00:50:51,639
He can close the book on this
chapter. He is now technically, according

843
00:50:51,719 --> 00:50:54,760
to the lawyers and the legal people
in the courts, everybody has paid his

844
00:50:54,880 --> 00:51:00,800
dues to society or his debt to
society. And I hope he just fucking

845
00:51:00,840 --> 00:51:04,400
behaves himself. Okay, so so
let me interjet he hasn't fully done that

846
00:51:04,440 --> 00:51:07,159
because he's still got two hundred hours
O. I know, you know this,

847
00:51:07,320 --> 00:51:12,559
he's got two hundred hours of community
service to in Baltimore County by a

848
00:51:12,719 --> 00:51:15,880
date certain that's also part of staying
out of jail and stay out of trouble

849
00:51:16,199 --> 00:51:20,599
on probation. So he's not fully
free and clear yet, but he's now

850
00:51:20,639 --> 00:51:22,360
out. Yeah, I know you. Now he can live in his if

851
00:51:22,360 --> 00:51:24,719
he wants to live in his new
property, I guess he can do that.

852
00:51:24,800 --> 00:51:28,840
He's no longer bound by the home
confinement. He's done the time in

853
00:51:29,000 --> 00:51:31,639
jail, and look, he's a
grown man at this point. He's no

854
00:51:31,760 --> 00:51:35,320
longer a twenty one year old reckless
kid. He's now he's twenty eight.

855
00:51:35,320 --> 00:51:37,000
He's still reckless, I guess,
but it's time to grow up, get

856
00:51:37,079 --> 00:51:40,639
some maturity, surround yourself at the
right people. Get a driver. You

857
00:51:40,760 --> 00:51:45,119
made millions and millions and millions and
millions, like you know, probably twenty

858
00:51:45,159 --> 00:51:49,159
five to thirty million for the Tank
Davis fight that he had against Ryan garcia

859
00:51:49,679 --> 00:51:51,960
Hire. The people that if you
want to get chauffeured around, you don't

860
00:51:51,960 --> 00:51:53,480
have to worry about being with a
revoke license and running in the people.

861
00:51:55,000 --> 00:52:00,639
Just remember everything you do has could
take away your freedom if you fuck up,

862
00:52:01,199 --> 00:52:04,400
and you should always have that in
your mind. I don't want to

863
00:52:04,440 --> 00:52:06,800
be back in a jail cell.
Who wants to be in a jail cell,

864
00:52:07,079 --> 00:52:09,719
and maybe it's a reality check because
he finally ended up there. He's

865
00:52:09,760 --> 00:52:13,199
had previous problems, and I know
you know this he's had he's been in

866
00:52:13,320 --> 00:52:15,840
jail before, and he's been in
jail before, but he's largely avoided being

867
00:52:15,880 --> 00:52:20,920
incarcerated the last two or three screw
ups, and now this time that didn't

868
00:52:20,960 --> 00:52:24,559
happen. But out of trouble.
If you make all that money the way

869
00:52:24,639 --> 00:52:30,880
you made against the the Ryan Garcia
event, and then two weeks later you

870
00:52:30,960 --> 00:52:32,559
go to jail, what good is
making all that money if you can't enjoy

871
00:52:32,639 --> 00:52:37,159
it and and spend it, or
forget about the money, just your own

872
00:52:37,239 --> 00:52:39,559
freedom, being with your with your
friends, with your family members, whatever.

873
00:52:40,400 --> 00:52:43,679
What's the point. So I hope
he stays out of trouble. I

874
00:52:43,760 --> 00:52:45,800
hope he'll learned from it. And
I'm gonna tell you one thing, I

875
00:52:45,880 --> 00:52:49,360
feel sorry for whever his next opponent
is, because they're gonna take the brunt

876
00:52:49,360 --> 00:52:52,920
of that aggravation, that that internal
fire that's gonna want him to that's gonna

877
00:52:52,920 --> 00:52:54,719
tell him to get the ring,
want to beat the living shit out of

878
00:52:54,760 --> 00:52:59,760
somebody after you know, get letting, letting all of the frustrations. I'm

879
00:52:59,760 --> 00:53:04,639
sure he has after having gone through
this recent serious situation of being incarcerated.

880
00:53:04,679 --> 00:53:07,000
So I'm not sure who he's gonna
fight when it's going to be. Although

881
00:53:07,000 --> 00:53:10,440
I have my suspicions, I don't
have liked percent knowledge of this, But

882
00:53:12,039 --> 00:53:15,719
my handicapping guest is if Isaac Cruiz
does well and wins and looks good on

883
00:53:15,800 --> 00:53:20,119
the Spence Crawford Cart coming up on
the pay per view, he's in that

884
00:53:20,199 --> 00:53:22,719
co feature. I think the fight
that Tank will have at the end of

885
00:53:22,719 --> 00:53:24,639
the year will probably be a rematch
with Pitbull Cruise, which is to me,

886
00:53:24,719 --> 00:53:27,800
that's a worthy fight. There was
a really close fight the first I'm

887
00:53:27,800 --> 00:53:30,119
a hell of a fight. A
lot of people thought pill Bull pit Bull

888
00:53:30,159 --> 00:53:32,280
won the fight, and it's certainly
not as big of an event as a

889
00:53:32,400 --> 00:53:36,320
Ryan Garcia fight, but what is. So if Tank comes back, I'm

890
00:53:36,360 --> 00:53:37,880
telling you that'll be a very popular
fight. A lot of people are gonna

891
00:53:37,920 --> 00:53:42,880
see pit Bull in this. Errol
Spence, Crawford Undercart. We already know

892
00:53:43,000 --> 00:53:45,400
the drawing power of Javanti Davis.
They're both with PBC. In other words,

893
00:53:45,599 --> 00:53:49,960
it checks a thousand boxes. I'm
pretty sure the WBA is not going

894
00:53:50,000 --> 00:53:52,079
to give a problem. I Tank
is going to defend his regular title.

895
00:53:53,119 --> 00:53:58,440
So again that's my prediction of who
is opponent will be. I'll tell you

896
00:53:58,480 --> 00:54:00,599
one thing. Also, look like
he looked lovely scrawny coming out of jailway.

897
00:54:00,639 --> 00:54:02,920
He didn't put weight on, he
took weight off. So he's gonna

898
00:54:02,960 --> 00:54:06,559
maybe enjoy himself for the last the
first few days out, you know,

899
00:54:06,719 --> 00:54:10,119
having some nice some nice meals,
reality check on. Now let's move on.

900
00:54:10,400 --> 00:54:14,960
I know you did some reporting and
you did talk with the promoter of

901
00:54:15,119 --> 00:54:16,800
Tim Zoo in Australia. Let me
just say this and you get this.

902
00:54:17,360 --> 00:54:22,079
We released the podcast now, we're
taping it on Sunday evening and release it

903
00:54:22,159 --> 00:54:27,039
overnight. So it's now Monday,
July seventeenth. Why isn't the WBO strip

904
00:54:27,159 --> 00:54:31,199
Jamal Charlo yet and named Tim Zoo
as their world champion, which is what

905
00:54:31,360 --> 00:54:36,000
they should do. Because I know
it's not officially announced, I would assume

906
00:54:36,000 --> 00:54:40,679
it's a it's signed. Jamal Charlo's
not fighting Zoo by their imposed deadline,

907
00:54:42,280 --> 00:54:44,920
So elevate the man. Elevate the
man and let him get on with the

908
00:54:44,960 --> 00:54:46,320
world title defense. And I know
you, let's just pick it up on

909
00:54:46,400 --> 00:54:51,480
that You've been talking to George Rose
about Zoo having to realize and accept I'm

910
00:54:51,519 --> 00:54:53,800
not going to fight Jamal Charlo at
least in the rest of twenty twenty three.

911
00:54:53,800 --> 00:54:57,599
I gotta fight somebody else. Well, as far as what happens with

912
00:54:57,679 --> 00:55:00,519
the organizations, Number one, don't
disagree with you that he should be shipped

913
00:55:00,519 --> 00:55:04,679
based on what the orders were in
terms of the timing, And clearly it's

914
00:55:04,719 --> 00:55:07,639
no longer even about the timing.
It's I'm not fighting him because my next

915
00:55:07,679 --> 00:55:12,519
fight is already signed to fight for
the super middle white title against Canelo in

916
00:55:12,639 --> 00:55:16,559
September. Okay, but you can't
just there is a process, and I'm

917
00:55:16,599 --> 00:55:20,679
not going to tell you I must
here and defend at nausea in the sanction

918
00:55:20,760 --> 00:55:22,480
bodies, because even though I do
think they do a lot of good things,

919
00:55:22,519 --> 00:55:24,880
I have my disagreements about a lot
of things. That's clear. But

920
00:55:25,000 --> 00:55:28,000
as far as the w BO goes, I'm not going to be mad at

921
00:55:28,039 --> 00:55:30,840
them. They have to go through
their process. I think that there's a

922
00:55:30,960 --> 00:55:35,800
very good chance likely that that announcement
of him being that title being vacated could

923
00:55:35,840 --> 00:55:38,159
come this week. We'll see what
happens. With that. But you know,

924
00:55:38,639 --> 00:55:42,880
look, they handled their business very
in very quick order when it came

925
00:55:42,920 --> 00:55:45,000
to the to the resolution as related
to the one hundred and forty pound title

926
00:55:45,079 --> 00:55:49,519
with te Fimo Lopez, where they
basically give him twenty four hours, you

927
00:55:49,599 --> 00:55:52,559
know, to tell them what he
was going to do. So I don't

928
00:55:52,599 --> 00:55:54,280
think they're slow walking this. I
think it's just there's a there's a process

929
00:55:54,320 --> 00:55:57,239
they go through, and they're going
to go through the process. And by

930
00:55:57,280 --> 00:55:59,159
the way, it ain't the end
of the day if it takes an extra

931
00:55:59,199 --> 00:56:01,840
few days or a week for them
to deal with this. After Charlotte signed

932
00:56:02,159 --> 00:56:06,159
for the fight with Cannello because I
like tim Zo was fighting next week.

933
00:56:06,159 --> 00:56:07,280
But at the end of the day, my belief is that tim Zu will

934
00:56:07,280 --> 00:56:12,079
be elevated to the full WBO champion. He is the interm title, he's

935
00:56:12,079 --> 00:56:15,639
already defended it once before. And
in terms of his promoter, George Rose

936
00:56:15,639 --> 00:56:19,119
from No Limit Boxing, I inquired
with him uh and talked to him a

937
00:56:19,159 --> 00:56:22,000
little bit about everything that's been going
on, and it's like you can read

938
00:56:22,039 --> 00:56:24,079
the piece in my sub stack.
I know, we have a piece about

939
00:56:24,119 --> 00:56:29,239
it on the Big Fight Weekend,
a website as well, look, they

940
00:56:29,320 --> 00:56:31,639
accept as you said, the Charlotte
fight ain't happening. But Tim Zoo was

941
00:56:31,679 --> 00:56:35,280
a guy like, Okay, he
wanted the Charlotte fight very badly, but

942
00:56:35,360 --> 00:56:37,559
he also wants to stay busy.
I mean, this dude fought with a

943
00:56:37,679 --> 00:56:39,800
dog bite, you know, two
weeks later after dog took a chunk out

944
00:56:39,840 --> 00:56:45,320
of his arms, So you know
that's that tells you the guy's mentality about

945
00:56:45,400 --> 00:56:47,639
wanting to be in the ring.
So they'll go through their process. I

946
00:56:47,719 --> 00:56:52,320
thought George and h in the way
that he spoke about himself and Tim dealing

947
00:56:52,360 --> 00:56:54,280
with this was actually very smart.
It's sort of like they understand it.

948
00:56:54,519 --> 00:56:59,159
They're not mad about it. They
know that Canello is the man and that

949
00:56:59,599 --> 00:57:00,920
you know, they have to line
up his fights, and they did took

950
00:57:00,960 --> 00:57:05,119
care of the Charlot fight. They
didn't blame Charlo for taking the opportunity to

951
00:57:05,239 --> 00:57:09,280
make a life changing kind of money
and an opportunity to fight the biggest name

952
00:57:09,320 --> 00:57:13,719
in the sport and become an undisputed
champion in a second way class. So

953
00:57:14,159 --> 00:57:15,599
like they get that, and so
they weren't even mad about it. I

954
00:57:15,679 --> 00:57:19,320
mean, and I don't think anybody
can be mad at Charlo about that.

955
00:57:19,719 --> 00:57:22,000
So that was the first thing,
and the second thing he says, you

956
00:57:22,079 --> 00:57:25,159
know, in America in PBC,
they make sure that Canello analadies with them.

957
00:57:25,159 --> 00:57:28,880
They got to get his fight situated. He's the priority. We know

958
00:57:29,000 --> 00:57:30,960
that here in Australia were they're from, that Tim Zoo is the biggest name

959
00:57:31,000 --> 00:57:34,119
of the sport, and that they
got to get his next fight lined up.

960
00:57:34,360 --> 00:57:37,159
So they'll go through their time process
so figure out who they want to

961
00:57:37,199 --> 00:57:40,000
fight, and they'll presumably line up
some other opponent for him. And knowing

962
00:57:40,079 --> 00:57:44,039
the way that Tim has handled his
business, I don't think they're looking for

963
00:57:44,119 --> 00:57:45,519
some soft touch, easy guy.
I mean they took a lesser guy in

964
00:57:45,559 --> 00:57:50,960
Ocampo because they thought that the Charlot
fight was at stake. Before that,

965
00:57:51,039 --> 00:57:53,639
they fought Tony Harrison, was obviously
a very credible fighter who also, by

966
00:57:53,639 --> 00:57:57,079
the way, turned in a good
performance. He is also at least a

967
00:57:57,119 --> 00:58:00,840
Bomb Garner's trainer. He was in
the corner, you know, whipping her

968
00:58:00,840 --> 00:58:04,159
in a shape for the fight against
someone Dartituo the other night. And so

969
00:58:04,440 --> 00:58:07,159
look, Tim Zoo, I hope
I can't wait to see him back in

970
00:58:07,159 --> 00:58:08,719
there, and he's exciting. He
brings a crowd, he's got an attitude,

971
00:58:08,960 --> 00:58:12,440
he's got swagger, he's got a
dog bite. I'll bring him on

972
00:58:12,519 --> 00:58:15,239
whoever he wants to fight. So
I was just glad to see that they

973
00:58:15,280 --> 00:58:20,760
were good nature well and not accepting. You're being smart based people. They

974
00:58:20,960 --> 00:58:23,039
accepted the Canelo thing and they're moving
on. Yeah, but they're being smart

975
00:58:23,079 --> 00:58:27,800
business people because they know there is
a lot of money and an undisputed fight.

976
00:58:27,880 --> 00:58:30,199
And look, this is this is
smart and simple. Just because Zoo

977
00:58:30,400 --> 00:58:34,079
has one of the belts, he
wants all of them and you can still

978
00:58:34,159 --> 00:58:37,199
have the undisputed fight with Charlo having
three of them in Zoo having one of

979
00:58:37,239 --> 00:58:40,119
them. So they're being smart,
you know him, have him have another

980
00:58:40,199 --> 00:58:44,199
fight here, and then let's see
if the Charlo fight maybe happens at the

981
00:58:44,239 --> 00:58:47,880
beginning of or when it happens.
It also depends on what happens with Charlot

982
00:58:47,960 --> 00:58:51,960
in the Charlo fight. And furthermore, it depends on what the other organizations

983
00:58:52,599 --> 00:58:55,440
do about their belts, because look, the IBFS had a mandatory due for

984
00:58:55,519 --> 00:59:00,800
ages. Backerum has taken multiple step
asides, so he's gonna want his shot

985
00:59:00,760 --> 00:59:02,880
kind of you know, perhaps a
Vacan title. I mean, I'm not

986
00:59:02,880 --> 00:59:06,679
sure how much longer he's gonna wait. I mean, there are other mandatories

987
00:59:06,679 --> 00:59:09,679
that are there, So you know, this is not an uncommon situation.

988
00:59:09,760 --> 00:59:14,039
Whenever you have a champion and they're
sort of their in limbo a little bit,

989
00:59:15,079 --> 00:59:19,679
it takes a little time for things
to play out and for the organizations

990
00:59:19,719 --> 00:59:22,480
to go through their processes, for
VACAN title fights to be ordered, etc.

991
00:59:22,760 --> 00:59:25,119
There's a lot of jockeying because some
of the fighters that could be in

992
00:59:25,199 --> 00:59:29,880
those fights are ranked by the various
organizations, so they sort of decide which

993
00:59:29,960 --> 00:59:34,280
is our best road to go.
So I feel like one hundred fifty four

994
00:59:34,320 --> 00:59:37,599
pounds situation with Zoo, with Charlo, with the other organizations should be much

995
00:59:37,679 --> 00:59:43,320
more clarified over the next month or
so as we grow closer to the Canelo

996
00:59:43,400 --> 00:59:45,440
fight with him and Charlo. One
more bit of news, just real quick

997
00:59:45,480 --> 00:59:51,679
here. Philip Hrgovich and Dim c
McKeon of Australia will fight on the undercard

998
00:59:51,760 --> 00:59:55,199
of the Anthony Joshua Dillian White fight
coming early next month on August to twelve.

999
00:59:55,280 --> 01:00:00,440
There had been some thought that Tyson
Fury was going to f in a

1000
01:00:00,599 --> 01:00:04,599
WBC title offense against McKean, who
he's familiar with. Instead, it'll be

1001
01:00:04,719 --> 01:00:08,199
Hergovich, who is the number one
guy with the IBF. So your thoughts

1002
01:00:08,280 --> 01:00:14,920
on this landing on the undercard of
Joshua and White Well, with regards to

1003
01:00:15,039 --> 01:00:17,719
the content that the notion that Fury
was going to fight McKean, I think

1004
01:00:17,760 --> 01:00:21,239
the only one who had that in
mind was Tyson Fury, and that was

1005
01:00:21,320 --> 01:00:25,039
sort of like he went to Australia
to watch his buddy Joe Parker have a

1006
01:00:25,119 --> 01:00:29,079
fight, you know, a couple
of months ago, and as Tyson as

1007
01:00:29,239 --> 01:00:30,920
want to do, when he talked
to the local press, he threw out

1008
01:00:30,920 --> 01:00:36,320
the name of one of the better
Australian heavyweights, and all of a sudden,

1009
01:00:36,320 --> 01:00:37,559
it was a front page around the
world. I'm gonna fight dems McKeen.

1010
01:00:37,559 --> 01:00:39,800
I don't really think that was ever
real. And Demzy McKean, you

1011
01:00:39,800 --> 01:00:42,800
know, he's got a great record, but he's never done anything to even

1012
01:00:42,840 --> 01:00:45,159
be close to a world title fight. In terms of Hergevich, he hasn't

1013
01:00:45,199 --> 01:00:49,119
fought for over a year now.
He's coming off a close but you know,

1014
01:00:49,199 --> 01:00:52,239
solid went over his zang Jeli,
which obviously looks much better now that

1015
01:00:52,559 --> 01:00:54,239
he did what he did against Joe
Joyce, but that was the eliminator that

1016
01:00:54,280 --> 01:00:58,880
got on the number one position.
So he can't just sit an act of

1017
01:00:58,960 --> 01:01:00,719
waiting and waiting and waiting. So
the way that this is working is he's

1018
01:01:00,719 --> 01:01:05,679
going to have this fight on the
undercard of Joshua. It gives that card

1019
01:01:05,719 --> 01:01:09,159
another like somewhat significant heavyweight fight because
the guy who's the A side of that

1020
01:01:09,239 --> 01:01:13,360
fight is going to fight for the
title. And my understanding is that if

1021
01:01:13,440 --> 01:01:17,599
everything goes well for Usik against Duba
August twenty six, that at the end

1022
01:01:17,639 --> 01:01:21,119
of this year and not a you
know date to be determined, I guess

1023
01:01:21,239 --> 01:01:23,679
or you know the particulars, but
that IBF fights due and that fight's got

1024
01:01:23,760 --> 01:01:27,760
to take place before a certain time
frame this year, and so there's a

1025
01:01:27,840 --> 01:01:30,159
very good chance that that IBF title
shot will be coming his way at the

1026
01:01:30,239 --> 01:01:31,840
end of the year. And so
you're not going to just go into a

1027
01:01:31,880 --> 01:01:35,719
fight with Usik coming off you know, that long of a layoff, and

1028
01:01:35,880 --> 01:01:39,719
so he gets ready for what he
thinks is a world championship opportunity. You

1029
01:01:39,760 --> 01:01:43,599
know, Hurgovitch is only fifteen fights
as a pro, twelve knockouts, but

1030
01:01:43,679 --> 01:01:47,039
he was a top notch amateur,
as top touch as it gets, one

1031
01:01:47,079 --> 01:01:51,840
of bronze met only Olympic Games.
McKean, I've you know. He's big,

1032
01:01:52,320 --> 01:01:55,360
he's strong, he's a south paw. You mentioned he's all shilling.

1033
01:01:55,360 --> 01:01:58,960
He actually is based out of England, which which is where he fights and

1034
01:01:59,039 --> 01:02:01,280
lives these days, so he's not
going to be traveling across the world to

1035
01:02:01,320 --> 01:02:06,119
do this fight. But I've watched
When I heard about him, this is

1036
01:02:06,159 --> 01:02:08,519
prior to the Fury fight coming up. I had heard from other people about

1037
01:02:08,519 --> 01:02:13,719
this big guy in Australia, and
Eddie Hearn had worked with him because he

1038
01:02:13,800 --> 01:02:15,039
was starting to do some shows in
Australia. So I went on YouTube and

1039
01:02:15,079 --> 01:02:20,199
I watched, like one of Demsey's
a couple of his fights. Big,

1040
01:02:20,320 --> 01:02:25,000
strong guy, very little skills,
just I mean, rough and big,

1041
01:02:25,679 --> 01:02:32,880
but clumsy and slow, and I
think he's in some trouble and it just

1042
01:02:34,079 --> 01:02:37,079
reinforces being big, especially at this
level when we move up, isn't good

1043
01:02:37,199 --> 01:02:39,760
enough. You don't get away with
just being big. I heard you say

1044
01:02:39,800 --> 01:02:43,360
big like three times, but that
was about all you said. There's not

1045
01:02:43,480 --> 01:02:47,800
much else other than big. We'll
see Hergovich is a vastly experienced fighter from

1046
01:02:47,840 --> 01:02:52,519
his amateur days. You know,
this is gonna be a hard one for

1047
01:02:52,599 --> 01:02:55,159
McKean, it seems to me.
But again, Hergevich is not unwilling to

1048
01:02:55,199 --> 01:02:59,119
fight a decent guy, but he's
also not going to be stupid when he's

1049
01:02:59,119 --> 01:03:01,599
got a gigante fight sitting on the
horizon, whether it's us sick or for

1050
01:03:01,679 --> 01:03:06,440
a vacant title. So they're playing
it smart and hopefully they put in a

1051
01:03:06,480 --> 01:03:09,199
good show and if mckinkin can land
some good shots, you know, maybe

1052
01:03:09,199 --> 01:03:13,960
we'll see something interesting. But it's
it to me if you're doing the heavyweight

1053
01:03:14,000 --> 01:03:17,719
fight between Joshua and White, having
some other interesting heavyweights on the card makes

1054
01:03:17,719 --> 01:03:21,920
sense. So this is a good
addition in my opinion. Good stuff on

1055
01:03:22,119 --> 01:03:24,519
that. All right, let's wrap
it with some nostalgia a little bit.

1056
01:03:24,880 --> 01:03:30,239
You've got some good stuff here that
as we released the podcast, Sunday is

1057
01:03:30,280 --> 01:03:34,000
the sixteenth, and it was eighteen
years ago on Sunday two thousand and five

1058
01:03:34,079 --> 01:03:38,440
that your Maine Taylor upset Bernard Hopkins
to become the middleweight champ and the second

1059
01:03:38,480 --> 01:03:44,920
ever four belt undisputed champ. You
were ringside for this, but this the

1060
01:03:45,000 --> 01:03:49,280
magnitude of this upset, give me
some nostalgia. On July sixteenth, two

1061
01:03:49,360 --> 01:03:52,280
thousand and five, please, this
was a really big fight. Bernard Hopkins

1062
01:03:52,360 --> 01:03:57,159
had become the first ever four belt
champion when he had scored a body punched

1063
01:03:57,280 --> 01:04:00,800
knockout against the Hasker de loyeto take
his bio title and added to his other

1064
01:04:01,119 --> 01:04:06,880
collection of belts. And look,
this was the old the old guard Bernard

1065
01:04:06,960 --> 01:04:12,159
Hopkins, who had made at that
point, who had tied the all time

1066
01:04:12,239 --> 01:04:15,199
record, had set the all time
record for middleweight title defenses at twenty U

1067
01:04:15,639 --> 01:04:19,199
now I was looking to extend that
record to twenty one. And Jermaine Taylor

1068
01:04:19,320 --> 01:04:27,840
was the red hot youngster, Olympic
medalist Darling of HBO, undefeated. And

1069
01:04:28,000 --> 01:04:31,800
it was a bitter, bitter,
bitter bitter build up. Not because there

1070
01:04:31,920 --> 01:04:36,159
was crazy animosity between Bernard Hopkins and
Jermaine Taylor, although you know, Bernard

1071
01:04:36,199 --> 01:04:40,000
always made animosity with his opponents,
and Jermaine was, you know, a

1072
01:04:40,039 --> 01:04:42,239
pretty happy, go lucky guy,
so he was sort of just kind of

1073
01:04:42,519 --> 01:04:45,840
he was the proxy, if you
will, in this particular battle. The

1074
01:04:45,920 --> 01:04:48,880
battle wasn't between Bernard and Jermaine.
The battle was being Bernard and Loud Bella,

1075
01:04:48,880 --> 01:04:54,159
who was Jermaine's promoter because of the
terrible way that Bernard and Lou had

1076
01:04:54,199 --> 01:04:59,320
parted ways where Bernard not loose fault, Bernard threw him overboard. And I'm

1077
01:04:59,360 --> 01:05:00,840
not to get off on a tangent, but when I wrote about the way

1078
01:05:00,840 --> 01:05:05,039
that Bernard had thrown Lou overboard in
an article that I wrote in USA Today,

1079
01:05:05,119 --> 01:05:09,239
once Bernard saw it and was very
mad at me and like literally didn't

1080
01:05:09,239 --> 01:05:12,079
talk to me for about three and
a half to four years or something like

1081
01:05:12,159 --> 01:05:14,960
that. Right, you went on
ice for a while for riding the truth.

1082
01:05:15,320 --> 01:05:17,320
But welcome to our world that you
know, you write the truth and

1083
01:05:17,440 --> 01:05:20,039
you got problems. Well, just
so you know, like Bernard and I

1084
01:05:20,039 --> 01:05:23,000
are cool now. We still text
with each other. Bernard, I are

1085
01:05:23,039 --> 01:05:25,519
good buzz these days and have been
for many many years. Once we got

1086
01:05:25,559 --> 01:05:28,840
past that situation, and I still
you know, when when when it comes

1087
01:05:28,920 --> 01:05:30,880
up when we joke around with each
other, you know, and I say,

1088
01:05:30,920 --> 01:05:31,519
you know, you didn't talk to
me for all that time. I

1089
01:05:31,559 --> 01:05:33,480
said, I didn't really care because
I didn't want to talk to you either,

1090
01:05:33,559 --> 01:05:36,000
dude. So we joke around about
that. But anyway, so this

1091
01:05:36,119 --> 01:05:41,360
fight was a you know, the
the emotions that were running so high because

1092
01:05:41,440 --> 01:05:45,800
of the terrible, terrible split between
Debella and Hopkins, and I'm Bernard and

1093
01:05:45,840 --> 01:05:48,360
I'm so so obviously you have Taylor's
there to try to make it right,

1094
01:05:48,480 --> 01:05:51,320
and uh, look the young man
at that time, a young fighter,

1095
01:05:51,360 --> 01:05:54,920
and Jeremy Tylor rose to the occasion. Now, it was a very very

1096
01:05:55,039 --> 01:05:58,440
close fight, super close fight.
A lot of people thought Bernard Hopkins was

1097
01:05:58,480 --> 01:06:00,880
the winner of this fight. A
lot a lot of people thought that it

1098
01:06:00,000 --> 01:06:03,400
was an even fight. I actually
went back because somebody on Twitter. I

1099
01:06:03,519 --> 01:06:09,400
posted a photo on my Twitter account, in my Facebook and Instagram of the

1100
01:06:09,960 --> 01:06:14,039
poster I had the very rare Adura
trand that hung in the light box at

1101
01:06:14,079 --> 01:06:16,760
the MGM, and somebody commented on
that and asked me how did I score

1102
01:06:16,800 --> 01:06:19,360
the fight? And I, for
the life of me, could not remember.

1103
01:06:19,800 --> 01:06:23,719
So I went and I looked up
the fight on box wreck and you

1104
01:06:23,760 --> 01:06:26,800
can click on their little wiki about
the fights. And as it turned out,

1105
01:06:26,800 --> 01:06:30,599
when I clicked on the wiki,
they have all the media scores listed

1106
01:06:30,400 --> 01:06:32,400
that they not every one of them, but they've got a whole bunch of

1107
01:06:32,559 --> 01:06:35,360
media scores that they compiled, and
I saw my own score in that list,

1108
01:06:35,599 --> 01:06:38,760
and as it turnout, I did
score that fight a draw, one

1109
01:06:38,920 --> 01:06:43,519
fourteen to one fourteen. A couple
you know, Harold Letterman from HBO had

1110
01:06:43,559 --> 01:06:45,519
Taylor as a winner, but a
lot of the other reporters that were ringside

1111
01:06:46,760 --> 01:06:50,000
had that fight for Bernard. But
all you know, fairly competitive and cloths

1112
01:06:50,079 --> 01:06:53,920
or whatever. So it was that
kind of fight. And frankly, the

1113
01:06:54,000 --> 01:06:58,400
second fight was similar in that respect
where they had an immediate rematch and once

1114
01:06:58,440 --> 01:07:00,719
again Taylor prevailed in a decision,
but again very very close fight. But

1115
01:07:00,800 --> 01:07:04,960
this was this was Jermaine Taylor's coming
of age fight. You know, he

1116
01:07:05,320 --> 01:07:09,079
kind of gets lost in the shuffle
from the standpoint, like I don't know

1117
01:07:09,119 --> 01:07:11,400
if he's going to ever be in
the Hall of Fame, let's say,

1118
01:07:11,719 --> 01:07:15,280
But when you take a look at
his absolute best days where he went in

1119
01:07:15,440 --> 01:07:17,440
short order, he beat Raoul Marquez, he beat William Jopp, he was

1120
01:07:17,440 --> 01:07:20,880
a former champion. Marquez had been
a title holder at one fifty four.

1121
01:07:21,079 --> 01:07:25,559
He beat at the time an undefeated
contender that was a real rugged, strong

1122
01:07:25,679 --> 01:07:29,639
dude, and Daniel Edward that people
had high hopes for then he puts together

1123
01:07:29,760 --> 01:07:32,320
back to back wins over Hopkins close
as they were. Then he gets another

1124
01:07:33,079 --> 01:07:35,639
it defends the title. It turns
out to be a draw in a super

1125
01:07:35,679 --> 01:07:41,079
close fight against against Squinky right your
boy from down there in the Tampa area.

1126
01:07:41,400 --> 01:07:44,960
Then he goes home and he takes
on the very tough cassim Uma,

1127
01:07:45,159 --> 01:07:47,000
who was a former title holder at
one fifty four, has the win over

1128
01:07:47,119 --> 01:07:50,440
Corey Spinks, finally gets knocked out
by Kelly Pavlick. But that was a

1129
01:07:50,559 --> 01:07:54,639
great stretch for Jermaine Taylor, and
a lot of people don't give it to

1130
01:07:54,679 --> 01:07:58,599
credit it deserves. Hopkins went on, of course to become after the losses

1131
01:07:58,679 --> 01:08:02,159
to Jermaine, went up skipped over
super middleweight, scored a huge upset over

1132
01:08:02,280 --> 01:08:05,119
Tarvor, and went on to have
a number of other He'd be pathlic.

1133
01:08:05,199 --> 01:08:10,800
He had a lot of other big
fights Um and and you know as a

1134
01:08:10,960 --> 01:08:14,719
legend of legends, and and Taylor's
got the two wins over Man. So

1135
01:08:15,239 --> 01:08:17,079
uh, that was a huge fight
back in the day, a big HBO

1136
01:08:17,159 --> 01:08:20,079
pay per view. A lot of
bad blood between the camps because of the

1137
01:08:20,119 --> 01:08:25,399
things I outlined. Um a great
old fighter against at the time a great

1138
01:08:25,439 --> 01:08:29,479
young fighter and it was a big, big deal And and what can I

1139
01:08:29,560 --> 01:08:33,239
say that was that was a great
fight to be at because there was just

1140
01:08:33,399 --> 01:08:36,760
so much going on, but that
was like, it's one of those types

1141
01:08:36,760 --> 01:08:40,479
of fights to be like that.
When we get to Spence Crawford, the

1142
01:08:40,600 --> 01:08:45,159
whole boxing world is focused on that. That was a big freaking deal in

1143
01:08:45,239 --> 01:08:47,479
the middle of the summer in Vegas. Love that eighteen years ago. And

1144
01:08:47,560 --> 01:08:50,560
by the way, so again as
we released the podcast here, we're doing

1145
01:08:50,640 --> 01:08:57,039
so overnight Sunday into Monday. Monday
being the seventeenth Tuesday, July eighteenth,

1146
01:08:57,119 --> 01:09:01,159
has significance for nostalgia for several reasons. Jersey Joe Walcott Raphael wants you to

1147
01:09:01,239 --> 01:09:06,600
know he was not ringside, but
Jersey Joe Walcott historic became the oldest heavyweight

1148
01:09:06,720 --> 01:09:11,880
champion at that time ever thirty seven
years of age with a booming left upper

1149
01:09:11,960 --> 01:09:17,279
cut against Zard Charles Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania, seventh round KO for Jersey Joe Walcott

1150
01:09:17,640 --> 01:09:23,199
July eighteenth, nineteen fifty one.
Also but the record was broken, of

1151
01:09:23,279 --> 01:09:27,640
course by from Big George Foreman,
forty five years of age, broke the

1152
01:09:27,720 --> 01:09:31,239
record eventually, also on the eighteenth, one of the greatest. We talked

1153
01:09:31,279 --> 01:09:34,640
about big punches. You kept talking
about Deante Wilder, Thomas Earns, who

1154
01:09:34,640 --> 01:09:39,600
we've mentioned Big one punch, one
of the biggest one punch knockouts you'd ever

1155
01:09:39,680 --> 01:09:45,640
see, certainly in the nineteen eighties, occurred in nineteen eighty seven. So

1156
01:09:45,760 --> 01:09:49,239
it's now thirty six years ago.
Mike McCallum July eighteenth, nineteen eighty seven,

1157
01:09:49,359 --> 01:09:57,840
just absolutely annihilated Donald Curry. That
was thirty six years ago. Tuesday,

1158
01:09:57,920 --> 01:10:01,319
as we released this podcast, and
Barry Tompkins, the HBO Legendary Hall

1159
01:10:01,359 --> 01:10:06,199
of Fame caliber a commentator, I
told us that great story about that night.

1160
01:10:06,279 --> 01:10:10,439
I'll just relive it one quick second. That he's calling that fight in

1161
01:10:10,479 --> 01:10:13,720
the Caesar's Palace pavilion. Dan,
you know of what I speak. And

1162
01:10:13,840 --> 01:10:16,399
he said, he said, this
was not my wife who I later married.

1163
01:10:16,399 --> 01:10:18,439
He goes, I had a date
with me that night, and she

1164
01:10:18,640 --> 01:10:23,800
had seats behind me. And when
I when I did my call, I

1165
01:10:23,920 --> 01:10:27,319
could hear her behind me. I
knew her voice, and she screamed,

1166
01:10:27,439 --> 01:10:30,279
oh my god, he's dead.
He's dead. She's screaming it behind him,

1167
01:10:30,399 --> 01:10:35,760
and he could hear her and Tompkins'
call is tremendous with Larry Merchant and

1168
01:10:35,880 --> 01:10:42,399
Sugar Ray Leonard of that is a
classic one punch knockout. That is thirty

1169
01:10:43,039 --> 01:10:48,760
six years ago Tuesday McCallum over Donald
Curry. Donald Curry was a great fighter

1170
01:10:48,800 --> 01:10:51,840
in a lot of people thought he
might be pound for pound number one.

1171
01:10:53,520 --> 01:10:57,479
His prime was short, but it
was spectacular. When he got to one

1172
01:10:57,520 --> 01:10:59,800
hundred and fifty four pounds, he
just could not take it. The chin

1173
01:11:00,079 --> 01:11:02,079
was not there. But McCallum went
on to become a Hall of Famer.

1174
01:11:02,479 --> 01:11:04,079
Was in the ring with a lot
of you know, he was a guy

1175
01:11:04,159 --> 01:11:06,680
that suffered from a lot of fighters
that didn't want to fight him. When

1176
01:11:06,720 --> 01:11:10,439
he did get the opportunity to fight
the bigger names, so how our big

1177
01:11:10,520 --> 01:11:13,000
they were, he did very well
and obviously he is well deserved in the

1178
01:11:13,039 --> 01:11:15,640
Hall of Fame. Donald Curry also
was inducted into the Hall of Fame a

1179
01:11:15,640 --> 01:11:18,960
couple of years ago after a long
wait. I love that fight. As

1180
01:11:19,000 --> 01:11:21,079
a matter of fact, I made
it a point and I'm proud to say

1181
01:11:21,119 --> 01:11:25,840
I have that in my ample boxing
collection and I will be tweeting the pictures

1182
01:11:25,880 --> 01:11:29,039
of it come the anniversary day,
I have the program and the poster.

1183
01:11:29,199 --> 01:11:31,159
The poster, by the way,
it's not the most attractive poster. Well,

1184
01:11:31,239 --> 01:11:33,920
let me tell you that's a rough
one to find. That is not

1185
01:11:34,079 --> 01:11:39,279
a common post that I'm proud to
have him. The lone Star Cobra.

1186
01:11:39,479 --> 01:11:42,880
Donald Curry was on a mission.
He would he thought he was one of

1187
01:11:42,880 --> 01:11:44,880
the great names, by the way, yes, and he thought he was

1188
01:11:44,920 --> 01:11:46,039
going to get a chance to fight
Sugar Ray Leonard. One more bit of

1189
01:11:46,119 --> 01:11:49,399
nostalgian then we got to get out
of here. The backdrop if you go

1190
01:11:49,479 --> 01:11:54,520
back and watch the HBO broadcast,
is that Donald Curry was suing Sugar Ray

1191
01:11:54,680 --> 01:12:00,239
Leonard because he thought Sugar Ray Leonard
had misled him and cost him a chance

1192
01:12:00,319 --> 01:12:03,520
to fight either Leonard or Marvin Hagler, and Leonard took the Marvin Hagler fight

1193
01:12:03,640 --> 01:12:10,000
himself, and so the Curry camp
wanted Sugar Ray Leonard off the HBO broadcast,

1194
01:12:10,359 --> 01:12:13,319
did not want him on the broadcast. So that's being talked about pre

1195
01:12:13,520 --> 01:12:16,000
fighting the build up on the full
HBO broadcast. But low and behold,

1196
01:12:16,000 --> 01:12:18,920
it didn't matter. After what McCallum
did with that left hook in the fifth

1197
01:12:19,039 --> 01:12:24,560
round, boom that night, and
uh, Donald Curry was thirty one,

1198
01:12:24,640 --> 01:12:28,520
and oh that was his first loss
and was really probably never the same after

1199
01:12:28,640 --> 01:12:30,680
that after that night. And by
the way, happy birthday Canelo Alvarez on

1200
01:12:31,520 --> 01:12:35,600
Tuesday the eighteenth, that we released
the podcast. On Monday is Canelo's thirty

1201
01:12:35,640 --> 01:12:40,720
third birthday. So there you go
with somebody must I must correct you about

1202
01:12:40,760 --> 01:12:43,119
one thing. When Curry fought McCallum, he had one defeat. That's when

1203
01:12:43,159 --> 01:12:47,920
he had lost the welterweight title.
Are you positive he was twenty seven and

1204
01:12:48,039 --> 01:12:50,399
one going into the MC twenty seven
and one. My bad, my bad,

1205
01:12:50,479 --> 01:12:54,000
not twenty seven and McCallum was thirty
one. Oh, I haven't,

1206
01:12:54,039 --> 01:12:57,920
I haven't reversed jup. Okay,
but ye still when he had lost in

1207
01:12:58,000 --> 01:13:01,039
a big upset to the then on
the feedd Lloyd Huntagan for the undisputed welterweight

1208
01:13:01,119 --> 01:13:05,199
title. That was an eighty six. He fought McCallum in how about this

1209
01:13:05,319 --> 01:13:09,319
for the difference of times. He
fights Huntagan in September of eighty six for

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undisputed at welterway. This is when
it was three belts. He gets stopped

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in the sixth round in what was
the big upset at the time. He

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then comes back and he fights two
fights in early eighty seven and then fights

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McCallum in July of eighty seven.
So after losing by knockout, he had

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two fights and then fought McCallum.
So a total of three fights in less

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than the in like ten months.
Doesn't happen these days anymore. Mccam st

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lone star Cobra was a big time
name. And so there you go.

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And by the way, shout out
to my buddy David Payne in England for

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a lot of different reasons, but
he to this day would tell you he

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named his son Lloyd like you named
your cat Lenox after Lloyd Huntagan who beat

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Donald Curry. That was a huge
deal in Britain, that upstat that you're

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talking about in eighty six, greatness
tal Jay and Kennello's birthday thirty three on

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twthday. With that, I think
we have a full show. Nice job

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with Stephen Fulton, full recaps here. I think we're good. Are we

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good for the week on the recap? I think we're all good And we're

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a few days closer to Spence Crawford
coming in Las Vegas. Cannot wait for

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that. With that, thank you, Dan Rayphel. Have a great week.

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We'll talk to you on the preview
coming this week and the US show

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obviously coming later in the week.
Here in the dog days of summer,

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stay cool, my friend. Thank
you you bet TJ. There is Dan

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Rayphel. I'm merely TJ Reeves.
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We're done for now. Have a
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