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Billy Cunningham, the Great America many
times, having done this for not just

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years, but decades. I like
to think all I do is pound on

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the door, and no one ever
answers. I have a sense when it

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comes to climate scientists anymore, there
may be a slight change in direction of

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sanity. And no one is more
knowledgeable about the green energy collapse about to

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occur, the breakdown, than the
great Steve Gorm. He's executive director of

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the Climate Science Coalition of America,
author of four books on energy, climate

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change, and the Sustainable Development,
with over one hundred thousand copies in print.

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And Steve's new book is the Green
Breakdown, which is happening almost as

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I speak, the coming renewable energy
failure. And Steve Gorm, once again,

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welcome to the Bill Cunningham Show.
And I see a column in the

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New York Times which has got to
be accurate that talks about large American firms

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are backing off some of the ridiculous
climate change models that they're build into their

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systems, analytics at Black Rock,
et cetera. So can you inform the

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American people, Maybe you and I
and we're a small part of the whole

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deal. But our corporate executives now
learning that maybe the green energy breakdown is

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about to occur and that things aren't
as good as we think they are.

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Give us a report to the American
people. Steve gorm Hey, Willie,

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thanks for your kind words. Great
to join you again. Yeah. Just

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this last week, we had a
bunch of the Wall Street firms that have

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decided to pull back from their commitments. They were part of a group called

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Climate Action one hundred that has been
urging financial organizations to adopt environmental governmental and

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ESG what my environmental, social and
governmental standards and also go after companies to

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try and get them to stop with
coal, oil, and natural gas.

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That's really been the big push for
ESG. Just announced this week this was

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black Rock, JP Morgan, Pimco, and some other Wall Street firms said

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they're going to pull out of Climate
Action one hundred and about fourteen trillion dollars

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in total assets that disappeared from that
effort, and maybe this is one of

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those first signs of a green breakdown. They mentioned a couple things. First,

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they've been getting pressure from states West, Virginia, Texas and I think

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Florida have said to them basically,
you know, if you keep pushing this

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ESG stuff, we are going to
not let our pension funds invest in any

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of your funds. So that was
a concern to them. But the second

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factor is that their renewable energy companies
are doing terrible in the markets. There's

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an index called the Rennix Index ri
NIXX that's been in place for about twenty

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five years attracts the top thirty renewable
companies in the world. That's down about

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fifty percent in the last four years. That's been dropping three four years in

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a row, and so you know, they're finding that if they promote these

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green companies, their investors don't do
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So maybe one of the first signs
of the green breakdown. You know,

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Steve Gorham, all of us are
in favor of clean air and clean

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water. The smog and the pollution
is one thing, but ESG, DEI

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and these other things. The technology. You know more about this than about

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anyone, but we don't have the
technology presently. Maybe in ten or twenty

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or thirty years, when we have
the technology, when di lithium crystals are

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discovered, we might be able to
get to that point. But you and

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I everyone's against pollution. I don't
want to walk across the Ohio River.

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I don't want to breathe terrible air. And I said years ago that when

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it comes to the EPA, the
out of disband because they've been successful.

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Cincinnati used to have smog all over
the place. We have none, La

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used to be encapsulated in smog largely
non existent we have right now because of

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all the epas and all the lawsuits
being filed. Every American wants to breathe

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clean air and drink clean water.
So this is not about more pollution.

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Explain why the differential between pollution on
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the other, and that most reasonable
Americans are in the middle. Because I

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love to live a twenty first century
lifestyle with lights that turn on, the

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cell phones that work, with low
electricity bills, my Duke energy bills through

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the roof, and I love to
live in a society with clean air and

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clean water to pass on to the
next generation a better environment than we have

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than it was given to me.
And we've done that. But why can't

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they accept the idea Steve Gorm that
we're successful we've won. The air is

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clean. Coal burning utilities are almost
going out of business. They're getting cleaner

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every day. Nuclear power is waiting
to be energized. Bill Gates and others

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want to use these small nuclear power
generation units for elect electrical purposes. Explain

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why we're not saying we need more
pollution. Well, you're right. One

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of the great untold stories of our
age that you don't hear in the press

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is how clean our air is now. The six major EPA pollutants, carbon

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monoxide, sulfur dioxide, nitrous oxides, ozone, particulates, lead, those

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are all down more than eighty percent
since nineteen eighty and probably about ninety five

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percent since the nineteen fifties. But
what the ep and others have done is

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conflated carbon dioxide, which is an
odorless, harmless and visible gas that is

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plant food with pollution, and they're
mixing it in with all the other ones,

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and they're calling it dirty and saying
we have to eliminate it. That's

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where we've really gone off the rails, and we need to stop messing with

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that. We need to continue to
reduce pollution as we have been real pollutants,

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not carbon dioxide, we need to
stop putting so much plastic in the

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oceans, although that's usual a little
bit overstated around the world, not in

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the US or Europe. They have
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beatater into riveters, oceans and streams
that needs to be cleaned up. Well,

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let's work on those real problems and
not carbon dioxide. But unfortunately the

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world is spending at trillion dollars a
year un renewables trying to reduce carbon dioxide

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emissions, which isn't changing pollution levels
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is not pollution. Can we say
a thousand times that the composition of the

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Earth's atmosphere is about zero point zero
four percent CO two? Zero point zero

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four is CO two, And so
what's behind is really is socialism controlling the

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American economy giving billions of dollars to
your friends and family who contribute to a

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campaign. Am I in the right
track? There? Yeah? CO two

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is plant food one. Hundreds of
privid studies show that plants grow bigger and

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faster with higher levels of atmospheric CO
two. They get thicker tree trunks,

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they get bigger root systems, they're
more resistant to drought, but you're right.

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The theory of man warming, the
ideology which I call climatism, is

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being used by many, many groups
for many objectives. Of the United Nations

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is one example. They've had two
long running objectives. One is to have

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create a world government. Jack Sharrock, president of France, a number of

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years ago, said the first Climate
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They also want to redistribute wealth from
the United States and Europe and to the

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developing nations, and climate change is
a tremendous way to do that. Today

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twenty five percent of all four and
eight is tied to a climate objective.

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It used to be about about four
percent. And we have people like India

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two years ago asked for a trillion
dollars a year to become necessario by twenty

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sixty, a small sum, so
that has become a big, big issue.

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And also get rid of the goal
and gas companies. A lot of

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people don't like them when to get
rid of them, despite the fact they

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drive them modern society. So you
know it is a massive, massive mistake

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and many many ways. Well,
let's get some headlines. Follow the money.

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Secondly, CO two is plant food
and part of God's great design that

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the atmosphere is zero point zero four
percent is CO two We're trying to stop

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if going to zero point zero five
or six and that CO two is not

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pollution. A little more CO two
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vegetables. No. Secondly, I
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has she's called out the beginning of
climate related deaths. We have to keep

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the game alive, got to keep
the money flowing. Explain what Hillary Clinton,

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who may be the Democratic nominee in
November, who knows about Joe Biden's

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tripping up steps constantly, what's going
to occur? They may turn to her

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or Gavin Newsom. What is she
saying about beginning to count climate related deaths

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to keep the scare tactics. Yeah, yeah, she wants to kind of

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climate deaths. And I've called this. I wrote an article and published in

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the Washington Examiners saying that this is
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of climate deaths. If you remember, during COVID nineteen, you could look

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every day on line and see deaths
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every country around the world, and
it was a great tool for driving COVID

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nineteen policies. But now the climate
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So missus Clinton wants to start counting
climate deaths and claims that we have many,

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many deaths from heat waves. There
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last two weeks that was published in
Nature Medicine by a guy by the name

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M. Colin Carlson, and he
claimed that there were one hundred and sixty

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six thousand climate deaths per year since
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about four million. But if you
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was counting malarial deaths from malaria and
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He was even counting deaths from cardiovascular
disease. And you know, if you

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count a heart attack as a climate
death, you can count anything as a

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climate death. So that's where we're
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if you look at the evidence first, the number of deaths. There's

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an outfit called m DEBT, the
World Disaster Database that has been tracking deaths

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from disasters for more than a century, and those include floods and droughts and

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famine and all sorts of things,
and those deaths are down ninety percent in

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the last century. Famine itself deaths
are down about ninety eight percent. We

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used to have about ten million people
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from famine, and now that's down
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So and by the way, warm
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gonna be a very, very tough
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But we'll see if they try to
do this. Steve Gorm I watch MSNBC

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now and then so you don't have
to. I know Tony Bender, my

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producer, loves MSNBC, loves Rachel
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And I'm watching this when climate activists
talk about not having children, and there's

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a movement of foot on college campuses
controlled by people like Claudine Gay, et

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cetera, that are telling young women
do not have children because you're contributing to

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global warming and you're killing the planet
by having a child. Now, I

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hear this climate activist and I'm thinking
this is crazy, But it's mainstream thinking

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among the elite that that's why the
birth rate among Americans is two point one

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percent, which is barely keeping our
population current. But explain how having children

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will not destroy the planet, because
having a child is about the worst thing

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you can do for the planet.
Very very sad, and we're going to

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have We have many many young people
think that today either afraid that the planet

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won't be around or it won't be
livable. No. And there's even an

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article that came out in the New
York Post, uh about a month ago

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that said humans may be fueling global
warming by breathing what breath? That's right,

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Well, we need to text sale
about two pounds of carbon dioxide a

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day. Oh man. When I
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about about the the Keystone XLI pipeline, if you look at the emissions that

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they were expecting from that pipeline and
then you look at housecats, turns out

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housecats to a whole lot more carbon
dioxide emitting than the pipeline. So in

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the US, how about a dog. I mean, I've had dogs most

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of my life. Should I tell
schnor from the painted head to skip of

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breath every now and then? Yeah, we got all these crazy things going

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on. There was another article in
New York's Times that said that you should

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mate with short people to save the
planets. There was a there was a

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mate with short people. There was
an article in in the Miami Times a

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few years ago that that said that
that couples are unfaithful because of global warming.

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So now you have excuse. Yeah, global warming made me do it.

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My wife. You know, So
my wife with like five foot five,

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should I encourage her to maybe lose
some lose some vertebrus so it should

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get a little shorter to I mean, Steve, we're dealing with this is

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utterly ridiculous, but it's being peddled
as real science. That CO two is

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like arsenic and that it's all about
paying off people who contribute to political candidates.

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And no one is worse about this
than the UN. The UN,

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and what they're doing is utterly absurd. So I can't breathe. I have

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to mate with short women. I
can't have pets and can have children.

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I can't have kids. I'm gonna
die and I can't breathe. All these

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young women, it's gonna be very
very sad about thirty or forty years when

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they when they get to be older
and they don't have a family and then

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they realize this is all a bunch
of nonsense when the world says, okay,

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never mind, we aren't changing Earth's
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That is what is going to occur. And it'd be very, very

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sad for many many people believing this
stuff. Well they do, and it's

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an article of faith that cannot be
questioned. And if you individuals like you

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and indirectly I continue to put the
truth out to the American people that somehow

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we're part of a holy cabal representing
coal and natural gas. I can't imagine

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a world without electricity. Can you
kind of break down for the American people

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electrical power grid which is constantly having
problems? Nonetheless, what is the breakdown

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of coal approximately, natural gas,
oil, and nuclear about America's power grid

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right now? Kind of break it
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in America, it's about forty percent
gas, it's about eighteen percent coal.

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I think the total is about sixty
percent that are coal and natural gas,

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nuclear about eighteen percent. But you
make an interesting point, John carry,

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our Climate envoy made a statement a
couple months ago saying we need to get

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rid of all coal power plants.
There are sixty five hundred of those in

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the world, and the world is
building or planning another thousand, and they

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provide thirty five percent of the world's
electricity. Yet we have probably hundreds of

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hospitals and poor nations that don't have
electricity. Imagine no air electricity for air

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conditioning in an operating room. And
then we have about two We have seven

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hundred million people that don't have access
to electricity, and we have about two

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billion people that have blackouts or brownouts
every single day. So your air conditioner

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in Ohio, if you have one, and most people do, uses more

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electricity on average than a third of
the people in the world get to use

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every day. So you know,
this statement that we got to get rid

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of all the power plants is just
nuts. The elites are very far from

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anything that's realistic, and we need
to get back to what makes sensible energy

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policy. Lastly, I see every
day there's literally thousands and thousands of illegals

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pouring into this country, supported completely
by the liberals, the progressives, the

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Joe Biden types, the John Podesta
types who's taken over from John Carey,

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And according to US Census Bureau,
we're going to have by the year twenty

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fifty, which is only twenty six
years away, which seems like forever.

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But let's face it, we're as
close to twenty fifty as we are to

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nineteen ninety nine that we're going to
have an additional one hundred to one hundred

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and twenty five million persons living in
America. Now, the liberals say,

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keep them wide open, keep them
coming from all over the world, the

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largely unattached single males that are wreaking
havoc in our major cities. If the

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liberals are serious about fighting so called
climate change, which we cannot fight because

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the world's going to do what the
globe wants to do. What happens to

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America When we take the liberal position
that we need another one hundred and twenty

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five million persons living in America,
what would that do for pollution inside of

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this country. Well, again,
that's another thing that's being blamed on climate

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change. A Kamala Harris, yeah, has said this is due to climate

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change, and President Biden I think
as well. And they were talking about

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about the Central America. But you
know, the funny thing is if you

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look at temperatures in Central America,
they haven't changed very much. The warming

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that's occurring in the world, the
gentle warming is almost nothing near the equator

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in the United States, it's about
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of degree celsius. And then it's
more up near the Arctic region. So

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the area is where a lot of
the people are coming, the immigrants,

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the illegal immigrants. It's not warming
much of all. No, So climate

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change is not the answer. No. But you know that's a whole other

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topic. You need a different expert
for you to get into that. Steve

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Gorm, thank you. You're the
executive director of the Climate Science Coalition of

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America, author of four books and
energy and maybe our words are having some

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marginal impact and I hope the American
people embrace it. But once again,

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Steve Gorm, thank you for coming
on the Bill Cunningham Show. With your

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permission, we'll do it again.
Thank you, Steve, Thank you.

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Bill. All right, God bless
you. Let's continue with more Bill Cunningham

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