WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.280 --> 00:00:15.439 Hi, and welcome back to The Unseen Podcast, a podcast dedicated to missing 2 00:00:15.480 --> 00:00:20.879 people, unresolved cases, and UK true crime. Today we're going to be 3 00:00:20.920 --> 00:00:26.920 exploring the murder of Helen Kine in Edinburgh in nineteen seventy. Helen was a 4 00:00:26.960 --> 00:00:30.879 twenty five year old mother of four and she did not deserve what happened to 5 00:00:30.960 --> 00:00:36.640 her. Helen's murder is still unsolved over fifty years later, and we were 6 00:00:36.679 --> 00:00:43.840 all still wondering what happened. This episode contains descriptions that some listeners may find 7 00:00:43.880 --> 00:00:48.439 distressing, including the brief description of the murder of a child, so listener 8 00:00:48.479 --> 00:00:56.960 discretion is advised. Greendike's Terrace is located around four miles from the center of 9 00:00:57.079 --> 00:01:02.479 Edinburgh in Scotland. It's located in the Nidrie area of the city, which 10 00:01:02.679 --> 00:01:07.840 was and still is a residential suburb outside of the city. Nidri has had 11 00:01:07.840 --> 00:01:12.159 its fair share of problems over the years with crime and anti social behavior. 12 00:01:14.200 --> 00:01:18.480 These issues were more prevalent during the nineteen eighties to two thousands, and the 13 00:01:18.560 --> 00:01:23.239 crime rate has come down since then with redevelopment plans being put into place. 14 00:01:25.200 --> 00:01:29.599 The western side of the area is also known by the name Craig Miller and 15 00:01:29.719 --> 00:01:37.200 is sometimes referred to as this. Joe and Helen Kine lived in Greendike's Terrace 16 00:01:37.280 --> 00:01:42.519 in nineteen seventy with their four children, aged six, five, three, 17 00:01:42.560 --> 00:01:47.599 and ten months old. Joe was twenty seven years old at the time and 18 00:01:47.680 --> 00:01:52.799 was working as a porter a Deaconess hospital, while Helen was twenty five years 19 00:01:52.799 --> 00:01:57.560 old and spent her time bringing up her young family. By all accounts, 20 00:01:57.599 --> 00:02:02.079 Helen was a dedicated mode who lived for her children and loved to be involved 21 00:02:02.120 --> 00:02:07.680 in all aspects of their lives. On the weekend of the twenty third of 22 00:02:07.719 --> 00:02:14.240 May nineteen seventy, Helen and Joe were celebrating their wedding anniversary and they decided 23 00:02:14.280 --> 00:02:19.360 to go out with some of their friends and neighbors to enjoy themselves. The 24 00:02:19.400 --> 00:02:23.360 couple took their four children round to helen sister Janet's house for the evening and 25 00:02:23.400 --> 00:02:29.080 they headed out with two other couples, Rosemary Cook and her husband Brian, 26 00:02:29.400 --> 00:02:34.520 and Jim and Betty Whitehead. The group had a plan to visit the Duel 27 00:02:34.599 --> 00:02:38.800 Miners Club, which was located around one and a half miles away in Nidry. 28 00:02:40.439 --> 00:02:46.680 The group met up and headed out to the club after seven pm. 29 00:02:46.719 --> 00:02:50.400 When they arrived, however, Rosemary Cook stated that they weren't able to get 30 00:02:50.439 --> 00:02:53.840 into the club that night after all. Rosemary said that it was at this 31 00:02:53.919 --> 00:02:59.639 point that they decided to leave Helen and Joe and the other couple. She 32 00:02:59.719 --> 00:03:04.319 told the Aberdeen Evening Express at the time, we couldn't get into the club 33 00:03:04.360 --> 00:03:07.000 and Brian and I left mister and Missus Kane and the other couple at seven 34 00:03:07.120 --> 00:03:12.520 thirty pm. They said they were going to Leith, but I don't know 35 00:03:12.599 --> 00:03:16.879 exactly where they were going. That was the last time I saw Missus Kane. 36 00:03:20.280 --> 00:03:23.599 Rosemary Cook and her husband thought nothing of this exchange and decided to go 37 00:03:23.719 --> 00:03:28.919 home. It was only the next day that she would discover, as she 38 00:03:29.039 --> 00:03:35.360 described it, the tragedy. A man named Christopher Holmes had been walking his 39 00:03:35.439 --> 00:03:39.120 dog named Dougal south of Arthur Street in the area of Leith, not far 40 00:03:39.199 --> 00:03:45.680 from the center of the city. He passed a shallow excavation pit located on 41 00:03:45.719 --> 00:03:49.199 a building site that was on the street, and as he did he noticed 42 00:03:49.199 --> 00:03:53.719 something very unusual. He spotted the body of a woman. She was nearly 43 00:03:53.840 --> 00:03:59.360 nude and was covered in blood. It was clear that something had happened to 44 00:03:59.400 --> 00:04:04.400 this woman and that she must have been attacked. Police and emergency services were 45 00:04:04.400 --> 00:04:09.360 called out to the scene and they discovered that the woman was indeed deceased. 46 00:04:11.080 --> 00:04:14.560 It was clear from her severe head injuries that her death had been the result 47 00:04:14.639 --> 00:04:18.560 of foul play. In fact, it would later be hypothesized that she had 48 00:04:18.600 --> 00:04:26.720 been hit with a paving slab. This brutal attack and murder was horrific, 49 00:04:26.959 --> 00:04:30.360 and the police now had to try and figure out who would have killed this 50 00:04:30.439 --> 00:04:35.920 woman and also who this woman was. They were able to eventually identify her 51 00:04:35.959 --> 00:04:42.480 as twenty five year old Helen Kine. The fact that Helen was the victim 52 00:04:42.519 --> 00:04:46.680 of a murder seemed completely incomprehensible to those that knew her. She was not 53 00:04:46.759 --> 00:04:50.199 someone who put herself in harm's way. I was a high risk victim. 54 00:04:50.360 --> 00:04:56.839 As far as those that knew her understood. Rosemary Cock stated that she was 55 00:04:56.879 --> 00:05:01.319 an attractive, quiet person who lived for her children. She was not someone 56 00:05:01.360 --> 00:05:08.360 who anyone could imagine this awful tragedy happening to. Police now knew who their 57 00:05:08.439 --> 00:05:12.040 victim was, but the question was how had she ended up on this building 58 00:05:12.079 --> 00:05:17.759 site and what were her movements Before this point, officers began by tracking down 59 00:05:17.800 --> 00:05:21.720 where she went that evening and discovered that she'd been out with two other couples 60 00:05:21.759 --> 00:05:27.920 that night, and speaking to Rosemary Cook, they found that Helen, her 61 00:05:28.000 --> 00:05:31.800 husband Joe and Jim and Betty Whitehead had apparently been heading towards Leith after being 62 00:05:31.879 --> 00:05:38.480 unable to get into the Dual Miners Club in Nidery. They also had some 63 00:05:38.519 --> 00:05:43.160 information that they may have been heading towards Doccer's Club on Academy Street in Leith. 64 00:05:44.920 --> 00:05:47.480 This was an important piece of information given that it was in Leith that 65 00:05:47.560 --> 00:05:54.399 Helen's body was found. In an article published just a day after the discovery 66 00:05:54.439 --> 00:05:58.240 of her body, police were already trying to appeal for witnesses who may have 67 00:05:58.279 --> 00:06:04.120 seen something that night. Detective Chief Inspector Alistair Morrison stated that they believe the 68 00:06:04.199 --> 00:06:09.839 victim may have taken the number twelve bus from nid Remains with another young woman 69 00:06:10.160 --> 00:06:14.920 around seven forty five pm, just after they realized they couldn't get into the 70 00:06:15.000 --> 00:06:20.000 Dual Miners Club, they were heading towards Leith. He said. They are 71 00:06:20.000 --> 00:06:24.920 believed to have got off the bus near the foot of Leith Walk. We 72 00:06:25.000 --> 00:06:28.519 are anxious to trace this young woman who was with the victim and any other 73 00:06:28.560 --> 00:06:34.560 persons traveling on that bus. This statement implies that this woman was perhaps not 74 00:06:34.680 --> 00:06:39.120 Betty Whitehead, who was the other woman with them. However, nothing has 75 00:06:39.120 --> 00:06:45.800 been elaborated on in relation to this. Detective Chief Inspector Morrison also stated that 76 00:06:45.800 --> 00:06:48.639 they wanted to trace any taxi drivers who may have taken a couple to the 77 00:06:48.720 --> 00:06:54.079 Dunbe Dykes area. He said, we want to know if a couple were 78 00:06:54.120 --> 00:06:58.639 taken by taxi to the Dunbe Dykes area between eleven pm that night and two 79 00:06:58.680 --> 00:07:03.360 am the following morning. Initially, it seemed that police were just looking for 80 00:07:03.399 --> 00:07:10.199 as much information as they could get and any witnesses were welcome. By the 81 00:07:10.240 --> 00:07:14.279 next day, the twenty sixth of May, Detective Chief Superintendent Ronald Clancy, 82 00:07:14.399 --> 00:07:17.360 who headed the CID unit, stated that they knew that Helen had been with 83 00:07:17.480 --> 00:07:21.360 friends on that Saturday night and that they had traveled to the Leath area of 84 00:07:21.399 --> 00:07:28.399 the city. He explained that they believed that Helen left these friends at around 85 00:07:28.439 --> 00:07:32.560 eleven twenty five pm, and this was in Duke Street in Leith. He 86 00:07:32.639 --> 00:07:36.519 appealed for anyone that may have been in Duke Street at between eleven pm and 87 00:07:36.600 --> 00:07:42.160 midnight. Who might have either seen Helen alone or with someone else to come 88 00:07:42.199 --> 00:07:48.720 forward with information. A description of Helen was also publicized. She was described 89 00:07:48.720 --> 00:07:53.920 as five feet six inches tall, well built and with dark brown hair. 90 00:07:54.720 --> 00:07:59.360 She was wearing an oatmeal jacket with a dark brown collar and lapels, and 91 00:07:59.480 --> 00:08:05.399 off white skirt, off white nylon blouse, white slingback sandals and carrying an 92 00:08:05.439 --> 00:08:09.759 off white handbag. It was hoped that someone may recognize her and have some 93 00:08:09.839 --> 00:08:16.879 crucial information. It was clear that after Helen left or got separated from the 94 00:08:16.879 --> 00:08:22.120 other people in her company, police were unsure where she went or who she 95 00:08:22.160 --> 00:08:28.040 went with. Detective Chief Inspector Morrison also added some more information from potential witnesses. 96 00:08:30.319 --> 00:08:35.279 He told the Aberdeen Evening Express about eleven forty pm on Saturday, a 97 00:08:35.320 --> 00:08:37.960 man was seen assisting a woman into a taxi cab in Duke Street, Leih. 98 00:08:39.759 --> 00:08:43.639 The man then also entered the taxi cab and it drove towards Easter Road. 99 00:08:43.679 --> 00:08:48.879 We are particularly anxious to trace the driver of this cab. He also 100 00:08:48.919 --> 00:08:52.000 added that around two am, a man and a woman were seen walking in 101 00:08:52.080 --> 00:08:56.840 Holyrood Park on the Arthur's seat side, around two miles from Duke Street in 102 00:08:56.960 --> 00:09:03.759 Leith, where Helen was last seen. Police stated that they wanted to interview 103 00:09:03.759 --> 00:09:09.840 this couple that were seen there. Said officers were making door to door inquiries 104 00:09:09.879 --> 00:09:15.080 in the Leith area hoping to track down some information about Helen. As a 105 00:09:15.159 --> 00:09:18.879 result, they did gain some more possibly important information about a woman that had 106 00:09:18.919 --> 00:09:24.440 taken a taxi to the Royal Park Terrace area from lock End Road at the 107 00:09:24.519 --> 00:09:30.320 junction of Easter Road and Duke Street. Crucially, Helen and the group she'd 108 00:09:30.360 --> 00:09:35.399 been with had been in Duke Street in Leith. This woman was spotted around 109 00:09:35.399 --> 00:09:39.440 eleven fifty pm and it was thought that she could have traveled one of two 110 00:09:39.519 --> 00:09:46.240 ways. She could have walked along Milton Street to Holyrood Park or via Abbey 111 00:09:46.320 --> 00:09:52.240 Hill to Holyrood Road and Dunbe Dyke's Road. It was unclear who this woman 112 00:09:52.440 --> 00:09:56.360 was or if she was Helen or she had anything to do with Helen. 113 00:09:56.759 --> 00:10:01.000 However, police were anxious to trace her. They also wanted to trace a 114 00:10:01.039 --> 00:10:05.960 man who had given a young couple a lift that night. The man was 115 00:10:05.000 --> 00:10:09.159 thought to have had a Vauxhall Crest car and said that he was involved in 116 00:10:09.240 --> 00:10:16.200 civil engineering with the West Lothian County Council. He also talked about living in 117 00:10:16.320 --> 00:10:22.919 Linlithgow. This man gave the couple a lift from Lorriston near Falkirk to their 118 00:10:22.960 --> 00:10:28.840 home in the Niddery Marechale area of Edinburgh. It's unclear the importance or the 119 00:10:28.879 --> 00:10:31.639 relevance of this man giving the couple a lift. However, it's assumed that 120 00:10:31.679 --> 00:10:37.200 this may have been connected to another witness sighting or piece of evidence, or 121 00:10:37.240 --> 00:10:43.720 that this person may have seen something that evening. There was another piece of 122 00:10:43.759 --> 00:10:48.120 evidence that police wanted to find out more about, and that was Helen's purse. 123 00:10:48.399 --> 00:10:52.559 This had been missing from Helen's handbag when her body was found and police 124 00:10:52.559 --> 00:10:56.960 wanted anyone with information or anyone that had seen the purse to come forward. 125 00:10:58.279 --> 00:11:03.279 It was described as being an off white plastic type with a smooth surface measuring 126 00:11:03.320 --> 00:11:09.960 about five inches by four inches with a clasp fastener on the top. It 127 00:11:09.000 --> 00:11:13.679 has a wallet compartment on the side with the press stud fastening. In new 128 00:11:13.720 --> 00:11:18.960 condition, the purse had ten pounds in total in it and this was made 129 00:11:18.039 --> 00:11:24.639 up of two five pound notes. It was thought that releasing this information about 130 00:11:24.639 --> 00:11:28.320 Helen's purse. Someone may have seen it or have seen someone with it, 131 00:11:28.600 --> 00:11:33.440 and they may be able to give the police a tip. It was evidence 132 00:11:33.480 --> 00:11:37.519 that police were getting more and more concerned about Helen's case the longer that it 133 00:11:37.600 --> 00:11:50.279 went unsolved and May turned into June without much progress being made. Helen was 134 00:11:50.320 --> 00:11:54.440 a mother of four and her children and family had been left without any answers 135 00:11:54.480 --> 00:12:00.919 as to what happened to her. In two seventeen, one of Helen's sons, 136 00:12:00.960 --> 00:12:05.080 Michael, would tell the Sun newspaper that this period of time was hard 137 00:12:05.120 --> 00:12:09.360 for the whole family because their father, Joe, left the children with their 138 00:12:09.360 --> 00:12:15.320 mother's sister, their Auntie Janet, shortly after Helen's murder. He stated that 139 00:12:15.399 --> 00:12:18.960 his father left and went to live in Manchester, later having another family. 140 00:12:20.039 --> 00:12:24.240 Janet brought them up and he said, when she was killed, our Auntie 141 00:12:24.320 --> 00:12:28.279 Janet took us in. We called her Auntie Mum, but we never told 142 00:12:28.320 --> 00:12:33.600 anyone that she wasn't our real mum. We didn't want to tell anybody in 143 00:12:33.639 --> 00:12:39.159 case we seem different. We grew up to be streetwise and never really fitted 144 00:12:39.159 --> 00:12:43.360 in at school. The trauma that this whole family must have felt is so 145 00:12:43.440 --> 00:12:48.200 evident, and particularly Helen's children during this time of the investigation, with no 146 00:12:48.279 --> 00:12:54.080 idea what could have happened to their mother or why. It would seem that 147 00:12:54.120 --> 00:12:58.080 police were working under the theory that Helen had become separated from the rest of 148 00:12:58.120 --> 00:13:03.279 the group that she was with and had possibly been seen with other people around 149 00:13:03.279 --> 00:13:07.159 the area at that time. Strangely, however, in my research, I 150 00:13:07.200 --> 00:13:11.480 haven't been able to find any statements or comments made by the other couple or 151 00:13:11.559 --> 00:13:16.519 by Helen's husband, Joe, so the circumstances of how she would have been 152 00:13:16.559 --> 00:13:22.600 separated a largely unknown. Officers were looking into other crimes in the local area 153 00:13:22.720 --> 00:13:26.440 and were trying to see if there were any other connections that could be made. 154 00:13:28.559 --> 00:13:31.960 One of the lines of inquiry that they looked into was that Helen's murder 155 00:13:31.000 --> 00:13:35.960 was very similar to another assault that had happened a month prior in April. 156 00:13:37.360 --> 00:13:41.080 An article in The Scotsman in July led with the headline police on alert to 157 00:13:41.159 --> 00:13:46.559 trap killer. Officers were made aware of an incident that occurred when a woman 158 00:13:46.639 --> 00:13:50.840 was drinking in a pub in Leaf. The woman had been drinking with a 159 00:13:50.919 --> 00:13:56.279 man and she was later found alive but with head injuries around half a mile 160 00:13:56.399 --> 00:14:01.559 from where Helen had been discovered. Was of interest to police due to the 161 00:14:01.639 --> 00:14:05.399 number of similarities that there were. The woman had been in the same area 162 00:14:05.519 --> 00:14:11.240 and had been found with head injuries. They had both also been out over 163 00:14:11.279 --> 00:14:15.679 a holiday weekend. The woman in April had been out over the Edinburgh Spring 164 00:14:15.759 --> 00:14:20.799 holiday and Helen was out over wit holiday weekend. In this case, as 165 00:14:20.840 --> 00:14:24.039 the woman was alive, she was able to give police a description of the 166 00:14:24.080 --> 00:14:30.200 man. He was between twenty five and thirty five years of age, well 167 00:14:30.279 --> 00:14:35.480 built, fair to auburn hair, wearing a green or dark colored jacket. 168 00:14:35.960 --> 00:14:39.320 He spoke a lot of Celtic Football club and claimed to be a Keen supporter. 169 00:14:41.559 --> 00:14:46.679 Detective Chief Inspector Ronald Clancy, leading the investigation, said, there are 170 00:14:46.679 --> 00:14:52.080 similarities in the two cases which we cannot ignore. We were hoping that this 171 00:14:52.120 --> 00:14:54.600 man would come back to the public house the Black Bull, and we had 172 00:14:54.639 --> 00:15:00.600 been keeping a watch on it. This was not the only line of inquiry 173 00:15:00.600 --> 00:15:05.120 in the case. Police had been looking into the idea that Helen's case could 174 00:15:05.120 --> 00:15:09.159 be linked to the Bible John killings in Glasgow. These were the murders of 175 00:15:09.159 --> 00:15:15.720 Patricia Docker Jemima McDonald and Helen Puttock in the city between nineteen sixty eight and 176 00:15:15.840 --> 00:15:20.919 nineteen sixty nine. These murders were known nationally at the time and what on 177 00:15:20.000 --> 00:15:24.960 people's mind, as the man who had committed them had not been apprehended. 178 00:15:26.759 --> 00:15:30.799 The identity of Bible John has still not been found out to this day and 179 00:15:30.879 --> 00:15:35.960 it remains unsolved. I covered these cases back in March last year on the 180 00:15:35.000 --> 00:15:41.639 podcast If You Want to Learn More About Them. The police did reportedly look 181 00:15:41.639 --> 00:15:45.399 into a possible connection with those murders. However, they stated that the link 182 00:15:45.440 --> 00:15:50.279 between them was unlikely. This could of course be due to the location in 183 00:15:50.240 --> 00:15:54.240 another city, and also the mo o was very different. So called Bible 184 00:15:54.360 --> 00:16:00.960 John strangled his victims and Helen has seemingly been hit with a paving. There 185 00:16:02.039 --> 00:16:04.559 was also known sexual assault in the other murders, which seemed to be a 186 00:16:04.639 --> 00:16:11.039 driving force. This was of course a line of inquiry that needed looking into 187 00:16:11.360 --> 00:16:15.440 due to how close in time Helen's murder had happened. The last known Bible 188 00:16:15.519 --> 00:16:22.840 John killing in October nineteen sixty nine. Another line of inquiry that was also 189 00:16:22.960 --> 00:16:30.000 looked into was the possible connection to World's end murderer Angus Sinclair. Angus Sinclair 190 00:16:30.080 --> 00:16:34.200 was convicted of the murders of Helen Scott and Christine Edy in two thousand and 191 00:16:34.320 --> 00:16:41.120 fourteen. This conviction came thirty seven years after the crimes, which took place 192 00:16:41.159 --> 00:16:47.759 in October nineteen seventy seven. Helen Scott and Christine Edy were just seventeen when 193 00:16:47.799 --> 00:16:52.159 they left the World's End pub in Edinburgh. Their bodies were later found the 194 00:16:52.200 --> 00:16:56.759 following day. Christine was found in Gosford Bay, East Lothian, and Helen's 195 00:16:56.759 --> 00:17:02.679 body was found six miles away in a corn field. Both girls had been 196 00:17:02.679 --> 00:17:07.119 found naked, beaten, gagged and tied up. Both girls had also been 197 00:17:07.240 --> 00:17:14.359 raped. The case would hit many stumbling blocks, but police would eventually narrow 198 00:17:14.440 --> 00:17:19.000 down on Angus Sinclair and his brother in law, Gordon Hamilton. There were 199 00:17:19.039 --> 00:17:23.880 several reasons why police had narrowed down on him. In two thousand and four 200 00:17:23.920 --> 00:17:30.480 a DNA hit was made to evidence found at the crime scenes. This DNA 201 00:17:30.599 --> 00:17:33.160 hit led them to Angus Sinclair, and then a second one was made to 202 00:17:33.240 --> 00:17:38.480 his brother in law, Gordon Hamilton. Fibers were also found inside the car 203 00:17:38.559 --> 00:17:45.359 that Sinclair was using, which could be matched to Christine and Helen. Sinclair 204 00:17:45.440 --> 00:17:49.720 was already in prison, having been convicted of murdering teenager Mary Gallagher three years 205 00:17:49.759 --> 00:17:56.319 earlier. This was also a historic crime, having taken place just a year 206 00:17:56.359 --> 00:18:00.880 after the murders of Christine and Helen had also been in prison as a teenager, 207 00:18:02.240 --> 00:18:07.359 having killed a seven year old girl. Sinclair was clearly a very dangerous 208 00:18:07.400 --> 00:18:11.400 man, and police were convinced that he was responsible for the world's end murders 209 00:18:11.400 --> 00:18:17.039 as well. He was taken to trial in two thousand and seven, but 210 00:18:17.119 --> 00:18:21.000 in a shocked decision, the trial was overturned due to a lack of sufficient 211 00:18:21.079 --> 00:18:26.640 evidence. This was a huge disappointment for the girls families who had waited so 212 00:18:26.680 --> 00:18:32.680 long for justice. In two and eleven, the law surrounding double jeopardy was 213 00:18:32.759 --> 00:18:37.640 changed, meaning that people could be retried for the same crime if new compelling 214 00:18:37.720 --> 00:18:44.319 evidence was presented. In two thousand and fourteen, Sinclair was taken to trial 215 00:18:44.359 --> 00:18:48.880 a second time with new DNA evidence, and this time he was convicted of 216 00:18:48.960 --> 00:18:56.839 Helen Scott and Christine Edy's murders, finally giving their families some justice. It 217 00:18:56.880 --> 00:19:02.680 was clear that due to Sinclair's violent background and his proximity to the area where 218 00:19:02.680 --> 00:19:07.240 Helen came was murdered, police were interested in speaking to him about the murder. 219 00:19:08.079 --> 00:19:12.119 In the article in The Sun, Helen's son, Michael pointed to Sinclair 220 00:19:12.160 --> 00:19:17.359 as a possible suspect in his mother's case and stated that he was only living 221 00:19:17.400 --> 00:19:21.359 a mile and a half away from where it had taken place after he had 222 00:19:21.359 --> 00:19:25.759 been released from prison following the attack and murder of the seven year old child. 223 00:19:26.759 --> 00:19:30.759 He stated, I don't think Sinclair will ever admit that he killed my 224 00:19:30.839 --> 00:19:33.920 mum. It might be that if he was dying, he would want to 225 00:19:33.920 --> 00:19:37.279 do the right thing and tell us one way or the other. I don't 226 00:19:37.319 --> 00:19:40.079 know if it was him, but if he was capable of killing those two 227 00:19:40.200 --> 00:19:44.720 lasses, then he would have been capable of killing my mom. I was 228 00:19:44.759 --> 00:19:48.000 only five years old when she was killed. But it's been a shadow over 229 00:19:48.039 --> 00:19:52.119 my whole life. There has never been a time where it has not been 230 00:19:52.160 --> 00:19:56.839 there. I'm sure my life would have been very different if my mum hadn't 231 00:19:56.880 --> 00:20:00.640 been murdered. We always lived our lives thinking that maybe one day we would 232 00:20:00.680 --> 00:20:04.160 find out who had done this to her. We always wanted to find out 233 00:20:04.519 --> 00:20:12.000 and Angus Sinclair could have the answer. Angus Sinclair died in twenty nineteen without 234 00:20:12.039 --> 00:20:17.519 revealing any involvement in the murder of Helen Kine, and it's only reported that 235 00:20:17.559 --> 00:20:23.920 he gave an alibi for the evening, which included family members of his This 236 00:20:25.119 --> 00:20:30.559 in no doubt caused Helen's family even more trauma and despair. Helen's son Michael, 237 00:20:30.559 --> 00:20:33.759 has been very open about how his mother's murder and the fact it still 238 00:20:33.799 --> 00:20:38.599 unsolved, has affected him. He spoke about how it had affected his family 239 00:20:38.640 --> 00:20:41.720 when his father had left them with their Auntie Janet, and how he and 240 00:20:41.759 --> 00:20:45.400 his siblings even speculated as to whether he could have been involved with it. 241 00:20:47.480 --> 00:20:49.799 He said, I don't have much memory of my mum. I know she 242 00:20:49.920 --> 00:20:53.920 was a nice woman and looked after us all. I remember they'd wanted to 243 00:20:53.920 --> 00:20:57.359 split us up because our dad moved to Manchester and had a new family. 244 00:20:59.480 --> 00:21:03.119 We felt angry with our dad. If it was me and your wife died 245 00:21:03.200 --> 00:21:07.039 and you had four kids, wouldn't you want to keep them? But he 246 00:21:07.119 --> 00:21:10.640 just went off to Manchester. He got money after my mum died, some 247 00:21:10.720 --> 00:21:15.519 kind of criminal injuries compensation. My brother Joe called it blood money. When 248 00:21:15.559 --> 00:21:22.799 we turned eighteen, we all got two thousand pounds each. He also discussed 249 00:21:22.799 --> 00:21:26.079 how he and his family had dealt with trauma since his mother's murder. He 250 00:21:26.200 --> 00:21:32.000 himself had nearly died after being hit by a motorcycle and suffering a brain hemorrhage, 251 00:21:32.640 --> 00:21:37.079 and then later being involved in a hundred mile an hour bike crash. 252 00:21:37.240 --> 00:21:41.200 He said his family had also suffered several bereavements when his aunt Janet, his 253 00:21:41.279 --> 00:21:45.240 father Joe, and two of his brothers, Joe Junior and Raymond, passed 254 00:21:45.279 --> 00:21:49.160 away. He had been sharing a flat with his brother Joe in two fifteen 255 00:21:49.200 --> 00:21:53.839 at the time, and he found him and had to try and revive him. 256 00:21:53.920 --> 00:21:56.480 I came back from a night out and I thought he was sleeping. 257 00:21:57.039 --> 00:22:00.359 I started shaking him and I phoned nine nine nine and they told me to 258 00:22:00.359 --> 00:22:04.640 do CPR. It seemed like it took forever for the paramedics to come. 259 00:22:06.440 --> 00:22:08.160 I kept trying to revive him. I was saying, have you got him, 260 00:22:08.160 --> 00:22:12.599 have you got him? He was only fifty one. Janet died suddenly 261 00:22:12.720 --> 00:22:18.039 three weeks after Raymond passed away in nineteen ninety nine. It was a very 262 00:22:18.039 --> 00:22:23.160 tough time. I felt I was never away from the crematorium somebody gave Raymond 263 00:22:23.160 --> 00:22:26.599 methadone, which he had never taken in his life. I don't know why 264 00:22:26.960 --> 00:22:33.599 he was clean living. His trauma is clear, and his mother's murder is 265 00:22:33.640 --> 00:22:37.960 never far away from his mind. He stated that his brother Raymond, had 266 00:22:38.000 --> 00:22:41.720 been fighting to find out what had happened to her before his death. He 267 00:22:41.839 --> 00:22:47.559 stated, my brother had been the one who was always asking questions. He 268 00:22:47.680 --> 00:22:51.200 was determined to find out who killed my mum. Now I don't know if 269 00:22:51.200 --> 00:22:56.359 we will ever get any answers. This idea is so sad and such a 270 00:22:56.400 --> 00:23:03.640 tragedy. Despite the time that has elapsed, Helen's family should be able to 271 00:23:03.640 --> 00:23:07.839 have hope that it will be solved, but sadly, fifty three years later, 272 00:23:07.119 --> 00:23:11.880 no one has been convicted. Police have confirmed that they do have several 273 00:23:11.880 --> 00:23:17.599 pieces of evidence still in storage, including items that were found on or around 274 00:23:17.599 --> 00:23:22.319 her body. Its hope that as DNA technology continues to improve, these items 275 00:23:22.319 --> 00:23:29.640 can be tested and a profile could be found. This is a positive aspect 276 00:23:29.680 --> 00:23:33.480 of the case and means that Helen's murder does still have a chance at being 277 00:23:33.519 --> 00:23:38.039 conclusively solved. There have been setbacks, however, as a move of headquarters 278 00:23:38.160 --> 00:23:44.160 during the nineteen seventies led to the loss of some important evidence like Helen's post 279 00:23:44.160 --> 00:23:48.279 mortem report and a piece of hair that was found in her hair which could 280 00:23:48.279 --> 00:23:52.440 have proven vital. There is hope in this case that the person responsible for 281 00:23:52.519 --> 00:24:00.440 Helen's brutal killing can be identified. A police spokesman for Police Scotland. Dated 282 00:24:00.240 --> 00:24:04.720 unresolved murders are cases that are never closed and Police Scotland is fully committed to 283 00:24:04.799 --> 00:24:11.880 identifying those people responsible for all such cases. Police Scotland works closely with the 284 00:24:11.920 --> 00:24:18.440 Crown Office and procurate a fiscal service and meets regularly to review outstanding unresolved murders 285 00:24:18.440 --> 00:24:25.319 from across the country, working collaboratively as the Homicide Governance Board. The potential 286 00:24:25.359 --> 00:24:30.839 for new investigative opportunities are regularly assessed to maximize the ability to deliver justice for 287 00:24:30.920 --> 00:24:36.799 grieving families, irrespective of the passage of time. We would appeal to anyone 288 00:24:36.799 --> 00:24:41.839 who has information which could assist in such cases to contact Police Scotland via the 289 00:24:41.880 --> 00:24:47.519 one oh one number. Information can also be provided through Crime Stoppers on eight 290 00:24:47.599 --> 00:24:55.559 hundred five one one one, where anonymity can be maintained. 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