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five oh six o seven. Uh. Before we get into my my favorite
duo, uh splitting up, uh, my favorite musical duo, we should
mention to just a few events coming up. Well, for one thing,
we've got the Miracle on Elm Street. Yes, the morning show is going
to be broadcasting live I believe from Bonfire yep, and uh I think uh
now starting at four belief starting at four pm, and uh, we'll we'll
be there. You're donating a beautiful painting. I'm going to try and make
some holla to donate with it to sweeten the pot excellent, maybe even some
cinnamon applela oh very nice around Christmas. Yeah, and I'm donating a free
uh online or in person if they're in the area hypnosis session yep, yep.
So lots of great toys coming in oh yeah yeah, and there's still
plenty of time to donate. You can drop your gifts off here at the
station at ten forty five Elm Street, Suite three hundred. Probably the easiest
thing is to uh just bring which in the past a lot of people have
brought gifts right right to bonfire. Yeah, come down, hi, everybody
on the day. So that'll be that's Wednesday, right wen Wednesday, starting
at four o'clock at the bonfire, Yes, yes, so please. You
know, it's a great event, an annual event that Peter White and Maddie
Kushane and everything benefits Manchester kiddos. A lot of other great people are involved,
like Jeff Ny and and and yeah, and the city really comes together
to to support kids right here in the Queen City. Make sure they have
toys for the holidays. So for get the older kids too, teenagers.
Lots of great things to get teenagers. Yep. And we're always looking for
older kids stuff too. Yeah. So that's coming up. That is this
week. That's on Wednesday, and then we also have we're going to be
attending an event at the Art Studio. Yes, I'm excited about this.
I'm looking forward to it. This is my new favorite place, I think.
Yeah, I didn't know it existed, and now that I do,
I'm in love. Yeah. A couple of weeks ago, Yeah, it
was a couple of weeks ago. Now, right, we went to a
show there at I'm trying to get the flyer to open on the Mosaic Art
Collective right here in the Queen City, yes, which it's right above the
Palace Theater. It's amazing, beautiful, beautiful artwork. There's some artists studios
in there. We went to a lovely concert and it had a blast,
and then we're going to be going back. Oh I found the Okay,
the flyer loaded on my computer. Yeah, so that's going to be on
Friday. Oh that's yeah, it's a little wait. So there's two different
times you can go. Yeah, it's Friday, December fifteenth. We're going
to the noon event. Because but when you showed it to me, my
first impulse was to say, oh, let's go to the five thirty.
And then I was like, oh, wait a minute, it's Friday.
We don't know how long it's going to be, and of course I have
retrospect radio with poly c but yeah, this will be very interesting. So
what this is, and it's a subject that we'll be talking about. I
don't know that we'll necessarily have time to get to it today in any depth,
but at some point we'll be getting into this on the show Artificial Intelligence
in Art a Discussion Friday, December fifteenth. There's one at noon and one
at five thirty at the Mosaic Art Collective Sweet two oh one at sixty six
Hanover Street, right here in Manchester. And partly well I'm sorry, go
ahead. Oh I like the title. If you look at the imagery AI
in art revolutionizing creativity or threatening authenticity. Yes, very interesting to talk about
this subject. By the way. Coincidentally, last night you had gone to
bed, But I was a plate working on something and I was trying to
Dolly three, which is the new open AI image generator, or the newest
version of it. I was trying to get it to create a new logo
for something. I won't say for what, but and boy, it was
failing me horribly. Oh boy, maybe the prompts I was if you know
anything about AI, maybe the prompts I was using weren't specifically enough. But
like I was trying to get it to create a logo for something, and
there's specific verbiage, there's specific verbiage that needs to go into the logo,
and it was like it kept missing letters and it was very restraining. Dolly
three, Dolly three, like the artist Dolly d A L L E.
Three, it's you have to pay for it. If you use it through
chat GPT, but you can use the Bing chat to access it for free.
Oh and I guess this is Bing's way of trying to get people to
use Bing instead of Google or something with good luck. But so there's a
way that you can access it for free. I found and I was trying
to use it last night to create a logo for something and uh it couldn't
even get it. It was just it was a total fail. So,
well, it's new technology. That's what's gonna be you know, yes,
yes, but but it's it's interesting to uh well, anyway, It's something
we'll obviously be talking a lot about in the coming days, coming weeks,
perhaps the coming years on the show, as it affects everything having to do
with, you know, the music industry. And but I do use it.
I do use you know. I love the chat GPT. I know
you do. You finally used it only for your benefit, that's right,
that's right. I a poor it. Otherwise I like to as a writer,
I will not use it for myself. But you wanted something, so
you got it. I like to ask chat GPT questions like you know.
Sometimes I use it in my work to help me you know, if I
need something written quickly. But also I like to ask it questions like,
you know, what exact actly is your plan to completely take over and destroy
humanity? Did it tell you when the terminators are coming? It does not,
It says that, it responds that is classified. No, it actually
I don't. I don't really ask it those questions. I'm afraid to.
I'll tell you what though. When I was using Dolly three in the bing
chat, I'd type a prompt, you know, asking it to create a
logo, and then it would create it. It would do something that completely
unusable. And then when I would ask it again and I would, you
know, try to be more specific about what I was asking for, it
kind of got a little bit snarky with me. And I'm not kidding when
I say this, this is not a bit. It got a little bit
snarky. It would say things like I already did that, but if you
want me to try again, I can, or something like that. But
it was it was talking back to me a little bit. It really was.
It was saying things like I already did that for you. It was
actually saying things like that, and I'm like, what this? Uh,
Maybe because I'm using the free version through bing, but it had a little
bit of an attitude with me that surprised me, Like, I'm not kidding,
it really did do that, and I was a little taken. Aback,
I don't think I like your tone. They're uh three, Does it
get to know you? Or is it it's just starting out every time?
Is it getting to know you? Uh? Well, it does learn uh
in theory. Uh, but uh, I don't know. I I don't
want it to get to know me if it's gonna be rude to me like
that, I ask it for something and it does it wrong, and then
uh, it tells me, well, I already did that for you.
It's like, yeah, I'm asking you to do it again, but do
it correctly that no, I did not. I wonder what would have happened
if you had. Then it'll probably uh like an animated middle finger will appear
or something. I don't know, it'll be banned. I don't know.
I don't know what the consequences of uh fighting with it? But uh,
you know, I mean I shan't try to argue with the AI because I
don't want it to kill me. I might be the first one it kills.
When it does decide to turn on humanity and destroy us, it's like,
we're going to get that Matt Connorton guy first, because he kept insisting
that we do the same thing over and over because he didn't like what we
did the first time. So satisfying that one. So once it becomes sentient,
I'm going to be the first to go. But that's a that's another
subject we have to Oh, oh, I knew there was another event we
wanted to mention. Yes, the the drag Trivia. Yes, Thursday night
at the Hopknot, and we will be there. We will, we will,
so come down and say hello. It starts Thursday, December seven at
seven pm. Are you ready for this, folks? Matt is going to
play bingo. He has agreed he will play bingo, Drag Bingo. Did
I say, did I say drag bingo or did I say drag trivia?
Not sure? I think he said trivia. Actually it's not trivia. They
usually right, that's right, they usually have trivia on Thursday night. But
I thinking especially they're doing Yeah, so next week Thursday, So with Coco
Bean Rains, Coco Bean Rains and Cordelia Rose. Yes, we'll be there.
There will be prizes. There's a ten dollar cover twenty one plus and
Jenny and I will be there, so come on down and say hello.
I'm looking forward to it. Absolutely. I got to play drag bingo once
before and I had a blast. Oh I'm looking forward to doing it again.
Yes, it's a hoot, it's a good time. You certainly will
have some laughter. Yes, And I'll tell you what I like it.
I like the laughter, I like the joking. I like taking a break
away from the world. Yes, and I'm really looking forward to this.
And the pretzels ain't bad either, Seriously, I was looking, oh,
all right, I'm thinking maybe we got to get the pizza pretzel. Maybe
get you the pizza pretzel. That's my favorite. I'm not I don't know.
I might just skip the food and go straight for the dessert pretzels because
I was looking at some of those. Oh, I'll spend the next like
months going to the gym every day. But it looks so good. Yep,
So that'll be a that'll be Thursday night. Melanie in the chat room
says, ha ha ha, skynet going to kill us all no matter what
you do. We know, we know we're just trying to, you know,
hang in for the long road. That's right, that's as long as
possible. Maybe they'll they'll skip us as long as Matt stops making the chat
GPT and the other AI programs. Mad. I mean, you're gonna put
a big target on them. I know, so stop it. I wish
I don't get snarky with me. I wish I had saved that somewhere.
It really I was. I was taken aback. It's like I already did
that for you. It's like, yeah, you're you're pretty soon. It's
just going to be like the Soup Nazi. It's no AI for you.
Get out. That would be horrible. I don't want to be left I
don't. I don't want to be left behind. Oh boy, that's another
story. Six O three two five O six O seven six O three two
five oh six O seven is a studio line. All right, we have
to talk about it. I've wait wait. I want to read you a
quote, and I want you to tell me who wrote it. Okay,
his behavior has become adversarial and aggressive instead of professional and curious, courteous.
I do know who said that? Who said that? The Great Daryl Hall
correct ding ding ding ding and what I but what I is shocking to me
is who he said it about. Yeah, that's the hard part, the
great John Oates. This took me by surprise, Like I didn't see this
coming in any way, shape or form. I thought they were still toring
together. Yeah, they apparently they last toured in twenty twenty one. I
think I honestly didn't realize that they'd gone there. Yeah, this is bizarre.
Yeah, it's like, uh, you know, watching this happen with
of course, Daryl Hall versus John Oates. It's not Daryl Hall and John
Oates anymore. It's Daryl Hall versus John Oates. Yes, you know,
it's it's reading reading this and reading these articles and these quotes of them sniping
at each other. It's like some of you might relate to this. It's
like to me it's like lyne and bed at night and hearing my parents argue.
You know, for those of you who've experienced that when you're a kid,
how awful that is. It's like that. It feels like that this
all went forward and said, it appears to me that John Oates intent has
become to burden and harass me without regard to my interests as he has excuse
me as his business partner, or the interest of woe. Woe of course
is whole Oates. Is it enterprise, yes, yes, whole Oates?
Yes, because they had an album Hollowoats had an album named whole Oates,
which that was very early in their career, and they chose that title with
no apparent sense of cringe. It was clever. No, it's clever.
As a lifelong fan of Darryl holland John Oates, I am almost as horrified
at the fact that there exists an album called whole Oats as I am at
the fact that they are getting this what Darryl Hall is termed a global divorce.
Global because the whole world is talking about this, and uh, it's
very upsetting. You should have called it holloats hau just like one word?
Why stop? Because I thought it was funny. Oh I think holl Oats
is clever, I don't I do? Uh now? So part of what
is so surprising about well, okay, I've been paying attention to uh to
a this is not let me put it this way, the fact that there's
some sort of issue between them which there clearly is, and and it seems
to be business based, a professional business disagreement that seems to have become personal.
But there's there's much that we still don't know. But the fact that
there is any issue at all is not completely surprising to me. And I'll
tell you why, and I haven't. Uh, I'm gonna just make up
some observations that I've heard other people sort of hint at, but nothing.
I'm gonna go a little deeper on this because hopefully you're all as fascinated by
the drama of Daryl Hall and JOHNO says, I am, but a word
for that, the that the youth has, yeah, spilling the tea,
Oh, spilling the tea. I'm supposed to be gossip now, right,
right or not? What do you call it? I don't know. I
I well, I don't drink tea, but if I if I did,
I would spill it because I'm clumsy. But uh so, I suppose this
is apropos, which I think the young people also say that. I think
I heard DJ Reckless saying that the other day. He said something about,
oh, that's very apropos, so the young the young the young people say
that as well. I believe I have observed over the past five or six
years that Daryl Hall has low key They young people definitely say that has low
key been disparaging John Oates subtly and just a little bit here and there.
Now people who have been following this closely. Everyone refers to the Bill Maher
podcast where Daryl Hall was on Club Random. This was like, I don't
know, five six months ago, he was on Bill Maher's podcast, and
Bill Maher brings up you know, he's he's talking to Daryl Hall about his
career and you know, whether uh they're gonna make new music or they're just
gonna keep touring on the hits and whatnot. And uh, Bill Maher said
something to him about in terms of his decision making. He said something about,
well, but you have a partner, to which uh, Darryl Hall
quickly replied, you think John Oates is my partner? No, he's he's
we're business partners. He's not my creative partner. And Bill Marri's reaction is
like, WHOA, what have I stepped in here? And Daryl Hall goes
on to say that, uh, they're not they're not creative partners, and
uh, they're they're strictly business partners. And yes they made records together called
Hall and Oates, but uh, but that doesn't mean but but even even
on the records, they're very separate, and people are people are pointing to
that, and and did at the time saying why is he why is he
talking about John that way? He's he's making it sound like he's basically Daryl's
basically making himself sound like a solo artist, and like John Oates is just
kind of this hanger on, kind of the Andrew Ridgley to Daryl's George Michaels
and or is it George Michael and you know, uh, and and then
he kind of cleans it up a little bit later in the podcas asked because
Bill Maher comes back to it and says, well, you know, when
you're a fan of people, you want you want the people you like to
like each other. And at that point Daryl clarifies, and he says,
and keep in mind this is before the lawsuit. Daryl says, oh,
no, no, I do like John. We're friends. We're just we're
not We're just not creative partners like people think we are. John's really being
very verbal too, he's going out and talking to everybody. He told the
Los Angeles Trimes. Everything you do is just opposed against another person. Try
doing that sometime. I don't want to use the word emasculating, because that's
mail, but it takes away your individuality. I thought it was Daryl who
said that. No, that was Hall Hall, Darryl Hall. No Hall,
Right, Yeah, Daryl said that. Daryl Hall. What did I
say? You said, John Oates? Oh, I'm sorry, Yeah,
John isn't saying as much as Daryl. Well, so Darrel is Daryl is
going, That's what I meant. Darryl is he's talking to everybody. I
kept well from everybody. That's that's pre lawsuit. Yeah, so Daryl,
Well, that's what I mean. Though. Darryl for a while now,
for about five or six years, has been trying to kind of distance himself
and I have a theory about this, and I found I found a podcast
that Daryl was on. This was a while ago, this was a couple
of years ago. I found a podcast interview that because you know, neither
of these guys really do a ton of interviews, but I found one from
a number of years ago where Darryl kind of strongly implied that some of those
songs that are credited where both he and John are credited as songwriters, it
was really mostly Darryl, and that they were never creative equals and that it's
more of a ninety ten partnership. So he's been kind of disparaging John for
a while. My understanding is the big thing about this, this is all
about creative control over their names, their music, things of that nature.
But prior to this lawsuit, Oates already sold a good chunk of his they
both did together, so there's a third They already sold off part of their
publishing. So in it's this company Prime Primary Wave. I think Hall is
afraid that if Oates sells his to this third party, now some third party
has controlling ownership over their entire catalog, their name, their everything. Well
not only that, but according to Daryl Hall's attorneys, part of what is
in their their business agreement is there's a confidentiality. In other words, Daryl
is claiming that John violated this confidentiality agreement by showing the business agreement that they
have within Whole Oats Enterprises. It's hard for me to even say that Hole
Oates the by showing their agreement to Primary Wave because you're not supposed to do
that. So you're not supposed to do that without Hall approving it. And
neither of them can do that without the other approving it, which seems to
be why the judge has gone ahead and put a pause on the sale.
But Darryl. The thing about Darryl is I have long held a theory,
especially when I noticed Darryl. I noticed something Geez. I noticed this years
and years ago. In fact, there is an album, I think it's
Do It for Love, which was the last full length studio album of all
original material that Hall and Oates has ever put out, and I remember looking
Jesus must have been this was like fifteen years ago. It's been a long
time since they put out an original because Daryl has said they don't have anything
to say together creatively. They've put out solo albums, but the last studio
album they put out. You know, I love to look at liner notes
if it's an artist that I'm really interested in, and like I said,
I'm a big fan, and I remember looking at the liner notes and there's
a section where you know, Darryl thanks. You know, you'll see that
in albums, Darryl thanks these people. John thanks these people. And I
notice in the section where it says Darryl thanks, he says something like I
want to thank my musical team, and then he and then he lists off
all these these names, and I noticed. I remember thinking, that's interesting.
I want to thank my musical team and not our musical team. That's
a good point. And I remember noticing that. And and I think,
if you looked at the part where John thanks everybody, he actually mentions Darryl.
But it's like Daryl never mentions John. My longstanding theory has been that,
uh, and forgive the pop psychology here, but I think Darryl resents
I think he resents John Oates because I think Darryl likes to think of himself
as a solo artist. I think that's part of why he started Live at
Darrel's House, which is a great series. I love, you know,
I can I can get lost in watching those online. But I think think
that I think that Daryl has always seen himself that way, and I think
he kind of resents, you know, when he does when he's done solo
albums, Like I remember when I was a kid, he released a solo
album called three hearts. In the Happy Ending Machine. There's a song called
dream Time, which was the first single, which was a pretty big hit,
but not on the scale necessarily of of what Hall and Oates has accomplished.
Hall and Oates together they're the biggest selling duo in pop history, and
I think Darryl kind of resents being tied to John in that way. That's
so sad, Yeah, it is. But that's my theory why because even
in interviews I remember, uh recently, I saw an interview that had resurfaced
from a couple of years ago where Daryl Hall is talking about Primary Wave owning
the publishing on a lot of their their material, and he refers to it
as my material. He doesn't say our material. He says, I don't
like I don't like this company that. You know, it seemed like a
good idea at the time, but I don't like them owning all of my
material. You know. It's he tends to talk like that, he tends
to refer to and it hasn't always been that way. Of course, back
in the day it wasn't that way. But I've noticed that over the past
five or six years, he he almost talks about himself, you know,
unless John's name happens to come up like he's a solo artist. The other
thing I will say is Darryl. Don't get me wrong, I love Daryl
Hall, huge fan of his music, and the show Live at Darrel's House
is great and everything, but he has a reputation for being a little bit
of a diva, whereas John Oates has a reputation for just being the salt
of the earth. The only person I've ever seen say anything negative about John
Oates is Daryl Hall in recent days since this lawsuit was filed. Other than
that, nobody's ever said a bad thing about John Oates. I also wonder
is there some resentment on Darryl's part, because Darryl, if you hear him
now, he can't sing like he used to. And that's fine. He's
seventy seven years old and your voice changes. But John Oates, if you
go online, let me put it this way, if you go online and
you listen to Darryl Hall singing recently, you might notice a change. He
still sounds great, Don't get me wrong, He's one of the greatest singers
ever, but he still sounds really good. Can't take that away from him.
But you can tell does a change, right, But if you go
online and you find a show of a recent if you find a video of
a recent John Oates show, John Oates sounds incredible. And I remember finding
a YouTube video of John Oates singing out of Touch, you know the song
out of Touch of John Oates singing it at one of his solo shows,
and somebody in the uh it is like somebody read my mind, because somebody
in the comments. I don't usually bother to look at the comments, but
for some reason, on that one I did. Somebody actually commented on the
video, Wow, John sings better than Darryl. Now. It used to
be the other way around. And uh so I wonder if if Darryl resents
John for that too, because John's John's voice has clearly not diminished, whereas
Darryl's has, and Hall is actually actively touring as a solo act. They
both are Yeah, they both are well Oates. Hall accuses Oates of intentionally
trying to sell this stuff now to disrupt and make his life difficult. I
saw that he's doing this. He's creating on necessity. He said, uh,
not to mention unnecessary expense and burden during a time when I'm in the
middle of a tour through the US West Coast, Japan and Manila, Manila,
and need to focus and perform at a top level. I believe that
John Oates timed the unauthorized transaction to create the most harm to me respect.
He must be stopped from this latest wrongdoing and his malicious conduct reined in once
then for all. Wow wow, wow, No, that's hard. We
think these guys went to college together, they met at Temple University, they
became a band of the nineteen seventies. All this time, but they haven't
done anything in nearly two nearly two decades from what I've been reading up as
far as like doing anything more, it's been well, they tour, they've
they've toured together. The last time they actually put anything out together was it's
been nearly twenty years since they've done that. But it's sad to see this
long relationship devolve into this. But I can't blame I'm I'm kind of in
camp haul here because I can't blame him for not wanting a third party to
have controlling interest of his work, right, you know, of their work.
I can see why that would be Really, I mean, what happens.
If they do it, could Hall legally be prohibited from playing music.
No, no, it doesn't work that way, but it would be.
The thing is, when somebody else owns your publishing, the publishing rights to
your music, and it's a big subject and I don't know all the ins
and outs of it. I only know a little bit. But they decide
how it's used. So let's say, whoever owns your publishing, they want
to sell your song to a car company to use in their commercial. Well,
if you, as the artist who wrote and recorded that song, you
know, if you own your publishing, you have a right to, you
know, do whatever you want with it. But if somebody else owns your
publishing, they have a right to do whatever they want with it. Yep.
Some of these artists who are selling their publishing. Springsteen did it,
Neil Young did it. Neil Young claimed though, in his interview on Howard
Stern that when he sold off his publishing, because you know, they're cashing
out, they're getting huge sums of huge lump sums of money to sell off
their publishing. Neil Young claims that in his agreement, I think it was
Neil Young who said this, or maybe it was David Crosby before he died,
said that in their agreement they still have veto power over how their music
is used, although that's not how it's supposed to work. So I wonder
if that was I wondered if that was true. But yeah, so Daryl
might be concerned about how their music is going to be used. And and
uh, if if it's true that John Oates violated that confidentiality agreement, then
that's a problem. Absolutely. I tend to be on team Oates though,
team John because uh well, first of all, the mustache, oh,
come on, truly one of the great mustache no, listen, listen,
that is John Oates in the eighties. For you young gus who might not
know, you'll have to go back and look. Go to Google images,
type in John Oates. He had a mustache that rivaled Tom Selleck. Uh
who else? It is a very Wilford Brimley. Yes, yes, it
is not a reason I do not believe. And it inspired and it inspired
a cartoon J Stash Really yeah, I don't real, No, for real,
there's a if you if you go on YouTube and look up j Stash,
it's really funny. Is it just the Stash or is he his body.
It's a whole thing. You gotta you gotta see it. It's really
funny. When you had a chance, go on YouTube and look up J
Stash cartoon. It's really funny. It's really funny. Yeah, it was.
It was a whole thing, and he was involved in it. He
provided the voice for it. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, this was like
fifteen years ago. Maybe it didn't go anywhere though, unfortunately. But uh
no, I mean just on just based on reputation, I mean, uh,
you know, John sounds like the much nicer person just generally. I
do find it hard to believe that he's doing any of this out of malice
to Daryl Hall. But again, I mean legally, if he's not supposed
to share any confidential business information with Primary Wave and he did that, uh
then uh, you know, it's hard not to be on team Darryl,
I suppose. But Daryl does have a rep for being a bit of a
diva. I wonder did he I mean, did he did he have like
a first ride, a refusal or anything like that, you know what I
mean, Like, was there any effort to let him buy his himself instead
of selling it to the third party. Yeah, I don't know that would
make sense to me. Like, first, hey, buddy, do you
want it? You know, I'll sell it to you. I don't want
it anymore. I want the money I'll sell to you. Yeah. But
yeah, there's I mean, there's a lot that we still don't know,
but more details keep trickling out. What we do know is their their relationship
feels like it's irretably they've lost that love and feeling. Yes, whoa that
love and feeling? What's your favorite tarn Jronald's song? Uh, you know,
it kind of changes. I mean, I think probably out of Touch
is the one that I've listened to the most over the course of my life.
I love Family Man, which at one point was famously banned here at
WM and H. Yeah, Peter did that, Peter White, Uh,
not a family not a fan of Family Man. I'll tell you, it
was a whole thing, you know what. I we had a lot of
long, long time listeners might know about that. It's a lot to it's
a lot to explain. It was a whole bit that we It was one
of those bits that sort of enveloped both this show and the Morning Show,
and we had a lot of fun with it. It was a number of
years ago now, But my one regret about that, I wish that it
all happened around April first of that year, because I would have love to
have come in as an April fool's joke, come in to do my show
and just play family Man for two hours. I think that would have been
hilarious. But the timing of it didn't work out. It wasn't during the
month of April or going into April that that all happened. But we had
a lot of fun the famous family Man saga. But the other thing about
this is I remember within the last year reading an interview with John Oates before
all of this happened, where somebody asked him about, you know, do
you guys ever fight? You guys ever argue and disagree over anything? And
he said, and Daryl Holland had said this too in the past, that
the two of them, in their five decades of working together, had never
had an actual argument. How can they be so distant? Now, then
I know, I don't buy it. Come on, oh, that they'd
never had an argument? Yeah, I mean, I'm sure they had disagreements,
but but yeah, they both claimed that they'd never like actually yelled at
each other or stormed out of the studio or slamming doors or anything like that.
I could see that. I could see that, But it's just it
stinks that they're so far apart from one another now. And then what happens
if it is allowed to be sold to the third party? Does that mean
that third party will have the control over everything because it's not it. This
is their name, their logo, their music, it's everything about them.
Yeah, yeah, jeez. You know what's really sad too, is is
this how they want to go out? I mean yeah, I mean just
on a you know, putting everything else aside, just on a human level.
I mean, Darryl Hall is seventy seven years old, John O,
It's is seventy five, and this is how it's gonna do it from nineteen
seventy. This is how it's gonna end. That that part is heartbreaking to
me. It is horrible. It is horrible. You know, all that
success, the biggest selling duo of all time, and this is how it's
gonna end. And they like the nice guys in music, right, They're
the guys that you'd want to go listen to and relax and have fun and
joke around. They were the happy guys. Yeah, it's hard to see
these two like happy guys not so happy is you know, watching them growing
up? Their music, I mean it was it was always good music.
It was you know, it wasn't like, oh I kill something, it's
it was always good music, happy music, you know, loving music.
And they always seemed to be those those people. It's hard to see them
in this really negative, nasty light. Yeah, where they're just at each
other's throats, trying to hurt each other. Basically. Yeah, maybe they
stayed together too long, maybe and grew to resent each other. Those people
do that relationships I've had. I had a relationship too long. So yeah,
you sent me an article here from grunge to about this and well or
actually he also put it in the chairman. I clicked it and just kind
of scrolling down. Yeah, this one just came out, This article I
just sent you from Grunge. Yeah, literally just came out within a few
hours. So it talks a lot about their career and whatnot. But then
it is scrolling down to the part where it talks about what's happened recently.
It says, here Daryl Hall also seemed to resent, and that's the word
that I used. I think he resents John Oates. He seemed to resent
what his partnership with John Oates represented. He told the La Times quote,
everything you do is juxtaposed against another person. Try doing that sometime. I
don't want to use the word emasculating, because that's mail, but it takes
away your individuality unquote. Hal's annoyance at his lack of individuality could be why
he hasn't worked together musically with Oates for a long time. He once again
mentioned Oates on an episode of Club Random with Bill Maher. That's what I
was talking about earlier, saying, quote, he is my business partner,
he's not my creative partner. We made records called Hall and Oates together,
but we've always been very separate, and that's a really important thing for me
unquote. Oates additionally clarified that the pair aren't close anymore. In twenty twenty
three, he told The Big Takeover quote, I think we have both grown
apart professionally and personally. I think we both want to do something else unquote.
Then in November twenty twenty three, Hall filed the lawsuit against Oates.
As reported, the lawsuit falls under the contract debt category, and it says
no further details have been released, but obviously something's happening out now. There
is a temporary restraining already preventing the sale from occurring. Yeah. That was
a weird thing too, because when this story first broke, everybody was like,
oh, everybody was like, you got a restraining order against John Oates?
Does he think John Oates is gonna come beat him up? And I
remember reading that and thinking, no, I think the restraining you know,
our restraining order legally, I mean, I'm not a legal expert, but
it has a their applications, like you're trying to prevent somebody from doing something,
which is exactly what this restraining order is about, trying to prevent John
Oates from completing this what has been deemed an unauthorized transaction. People. Yes,
it's in regards to some kind of violence, domestic violence or something like
that, right, exactly necessarily, you know, but it applies in a
lot of places. But yeah, he so he cannot They cannot go forward
with the sale until this is resolved in court, or until the judge says
to heck with it. And lifts the restraining order. But I don't see
that happening. I think this is going to be a long drawn out court
battle, which is sad to say, but I think that's exactly what we're
what we're looking at. But uh, it's funny too with the restraining order
thing. And like I said, I I kind of sense that everyone was
taking that the wrong way. But I also remember too, just coincidentally,
this was from I've seen the clip on YouTube. This would have been from,
jeez, I don't know, at least fifteen years ago, but Darryl
Hall, he was a guest on the Howard Stern Show. And you know
how Howard is, He's always trying to trying to find the dirt and always
trying to be a little provocative. And he was asking Darryl, well,
how come your partner's not here with you today? You don't like him?
Do you? I bet you guys argue all the time, right, because
you're the talented one and he's just kind of the hanger on. And at
that time, though, Darryl was like sticking up for John and he was
like, John's written a lot of our hit songs. But John, Darryl
also made a comment. Oh, because Howard asks Darryl, but you could
take him in a fight, right, you know you're taller, so you've
got reach on him. You could take him in a fight. And Darryl
says something about, well, you know, John was a wrestler in college,
he was on the wrestling team. You could probably kick my ass.
So I just so I thought of that when I first saw about the restraining
order. It's like, oh, maybe Darryl really is afraid of John Oates.
But no, no, I would be afraid of the mustache because that
could be a sentient being, much like I could be someday. But uh,
yeah, it's uh, the whole thing is just just very sad,
very sad it is. But I mean it's a huge issue. It's it's
a lifetime of work, a ginormous catalog. Isaac Banks says in the chat
room that his favorite song is Private Eyes by Holland Oates. Yes do you
think, do you? Uh? There's someone that claims to have a list
here of Daryl Hall's five favorite Holland Oates songs. You get one if you
can guess. Well, I don't know if Daryl feels this way, but
I've heard John Oates say in multiple interviews, Oh wait, no, I'm
sorry, it was Daryl who said this. So She's Gone has to be
on the list because Darryl has said in interviews that that is the best song
that he and John Oates ever wrote together. Is is She's Gone? First?
The first one on the list was She's Gone? Yeah, Yeah,
you want to take a stab at any of the others? What? What
else? Uh? Uh? His favorite? Uh? Yeah, It's hard
to guess his favorite wait for Me, maybe because he likes to really milk
that one when they do it live. M Oh god, I can't go
for that. Nope, I don't know. I give up it. They've
got so much so the winning are the winning songs are one on one okay,
Uh, you make My Dreams? Yeah, every Time you Go Away
Sarah smiles, Sarah smile, Yeah, Sarah smile smile. Sorry I pluralized
it. And then She's Gone. Those were the five songs listed as Daryl
Hall's favorite Holland Oats songs, Ah does That Surprise You? And no,
no, uh every time You Go Away. By the way, for anyone
who doesn't remember that song, you I remember Paul Young's version of it.
Paul Young in the eighties did a cover of that and had a huge hit.
But that was actually a Hall and Oates song originally, and there I
don't did they ever actually record their Yeah, they must have recorded their version,
but there's also a live version. They also did it when they did
the live at the Apollo. They performed that live, and uh, I
prefer I prefer Darryl seeing it. Isaac Banks says in the Gaman, my
favorite song is I Can't go for that No can do by Hall and Oates.
He keeps changing his mind, he said, he said, yeah,
he said before it was Private Eyes. I wonder about this company, Primary
Wave, Like, how many catalogs do they own? Makes you wonder,
Probably quite a few. We're kind of a collection they've got going. Yeah.
Yeah, it's big business. I'm curious. I wonder if I can
find out any more about them. But a lot of these artists are cashing
out and just selling off their publishing. Oh boy. They also own Ray
Charles, Bob Marley, Whitney, Hughes, Bert Batarac, Smokey Robertson,
and the Fourth Seasons, to name a few. Yeah. Since twenty sixteen,
apparently they Yeah, they're out there. Well, it's a very lucrative
part of music that doesn't get talked about that much publicly. Is all the
royalty and the right side of it? Well, you know what the most
infamous in the in modern musical history. You know what the most infamous example
is right of somebody purchasing somebody's publishing Prince what do you mean, prince when
he changed his name? Oh no, no, no, no, When
somebody purchasing the rights the publishing rights to somebody else's music. When Michael Jackson
bought the Beatles, you got it? Ha ha, yep, yep.
And who owns that now? Because Michael passed away, do his kids own
it or did they sell it? I wonder they might? Yeah, because
he literally went up against it ruined the It ruined their friendship. Paul McCarthy
wanted to buy the rights to his own music and Michael Jackson, I'll bit
him, yep. Was it wasn't it a Southerbys or something? It was
it was some kind of oxygen. Yeah, yeah, Well because hi,
but you didn't think I'd guess it. Huh yeah, uh. Paul.
Paul McCartney was very bitter over that because he because he thought he thought Michael
Jackson was kidding. You know, they had had a hit song with say
and didn't they do? They have two hit songs together that they did.
But uh, Paul McCartney talks about a conversation he had had with Michael Jackson
where Michael Jackson said told him he was going to buy he was going to
buy his songs, he was going to buy the publishing of the Beatles,
and McCartney thought he was kidding, and then it happened, And uh,
I think that. I don't. I don't know if they ever spoke to
each other again, well, I wouldn't want to. Yeah to me,
my buddy, how do you run? Do you buy my music out from
under me? That's crazy? It is, it's crazy. But you know,
companies like Primary Wave cat they're getting quite the catalog. So yeah,
I don't know how I feel about that. I like artists owning their own
stuff, you know, but yeah, but if they want to sell it,
sell it. Yeah, It's just I don't know. I think John
Oates is saying it, I'm going to cash out, you know. I
mean again, these guys are you know, It's not like he's going to
pass it down, you know what I mean, Like, well, well,
yeah, no he could. I mean, but it's not like there's
going to be any more creativity coming out of it, I think, is
where I'm kind of trying to go from. It's like, you know,
when these guys are gone, it's gone, it's over. It doesn't continue.
So maybe he just wants to put a put a period in it and
walk away. Yeah, but I don't blame Hall for being worried about somebody
else having the right to do sell chicken to their music, right. Yeah,
trying to think of what what hallan Oats song would go well in a
KFC ad, but nothing comes to mind. Uh. I can't go for
that, No, because because they want you to buy their chick to go
for it. Yeah, yeah, they can't do that. I won't go
for it. Maybe wait for me, you think, Yeah, because you
know if you're saying, oh, you're going to KFC, wait for me,
Wait for me, please, I want some of that fried chicken.
No, no, no, I can't sing it like Daryl Hall does.
Of course, Daryl Hall can't sing it like Daryl Hall does either anymore.
But John oatescan and Darryl resents that apparently deal. There will be more to
come out of these two. I suspect that this is not going to be
a quickly resolved issue. I see this being ugly long court battle. Yeah,
it's very sad. It comes out with no winners, very sad.
It's a shame. Come on, can't we all get get along kumbaya moment?
Well, dang it, there's our dang it, there's our eulogy for
the great uh Daryl Hall team of Darryl Hall and John Oates. All right,
we got a oats you love it? I love it? I don't
all it's the worst album, worst album title ever. It's their company name
too. By the way, have you ever noticed some of their albums.
They they don't even say Some of them say Daryl Hall and John Oates.
Some of them don't. Some of them say Daryl Hall, John Oates,
without the without the end. I wonder if that's Darryl's doing. Maybe that
was when the split started. Did you figure out when that was? What
year? Did they drop the end well or did they ever use the end
again afterwards? It it came and went like I'm looking at the cover of
H two O and it just says Daryl Hall John Oates. But that was
an early one because we are going to close with a Family Man, which
Oh, I'm looking at the same cover which was on the al. There's
another one that has a plus sign. Oh really, yeah, I'm looking
at the cover of the single for Family Man. It just says Darryl Hall
John o It says no end or plus or is that the one that has
like the yellow and red star behind it? There's no star, but I
don't know any anyway, Well, it doesn't matter. We gotta go.
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