WEBVTT 1 00:00:14.279 --> 00:00:27.280 You're listening to the Getting Salty Experience podcast. Hello the World we Go, 2 00:00:27.600 --> 00:00:33.200 Hello, Johnny, albadiez Alex Still the Peev Laredo, Susie, we got 3 00:00:33.240 --> 00:00:39.079 Missus Procaccini's husband, and we got Dougie Doyle and all you people who came 4 00:00:39.079 --> 00:00:43.399 into the chat welcome back to the show to get to the experience. One 5 00:00:43.759 --> 00:00:49.479 one Mike, the only one that brings a kitchen table and a Dominican interuit 6 00:00:49.679 --> 00:00:59.920 to you, Bro, the only one, the only ones that So the 7 00:01:00.119 --> 00:01:03.679 Rangers won roughies all happy? No they didn't, just winning first period? 8 00:01:03.840 --> 00:01:06.959 Oh oh, the Rangers are winning. That's why he's happy. You see 9 00:01:06.959 --> 00:01:10.519 my Jets yesterday, Bro, when I was big. That's a big win. 10 00:01:10.640 --> 00:01:14.879 And they had never been yesterday not one beat them twelve Bro, all 11 00:01:14.959 --> 00:01:19.480 time twelve against what's the record? Three and three? Three? Wow? 12 00:01:21.760 --> 00:01:26.239 The kids coming through. He's getting by. He's getting by with a great 13 00:01:26.239 --> 00:01:29.400 defense. That's what we're doing. You need. That's all you need to 14 00:01:29.439 --> 00:01:34.200 code a Geimer gamer gamer Gimer. Nobody cares about football, Nobody cares about 15 00:01:34.760 --> 00:01:38.879 hes gun. Oh he's not even back, bitch. You see, I 16 00:01:38.920 --> 00:01:42.920 don't have a soundboard, So that's okay. We got to play our commercials. 17 00:01:42.959 --> 00:01:44.599 When do you want to hear that I had to ship in the boss 18 00:01:44.640 --> 00:01:47.840 story today later or when do you want to hear that? You want to 19 00:01:47.840 --> 00:01:52.439 say that? You want to say that? No, I don't don't hit 20 00:01:52.519 --> 00:01:55.280 him with it. The kids look at who it looks good. No, 21 00:01:55.400 --> 00:01:57.680 it was a true story. I had to ship in the boss today telling 22 00:01:57.719 --> 00:02:01.879 you the true story. Does the Chief know you're talking like this? Oh, 23 00:02:01.959 --> 00:02:06.120 he's in the back. You can hear us, all right, he's 24 00:02:06.159 --> 00:02:07.159 on the face by it because he's used to it by now. He's known 25 00:02:07.199 --> 00:02:10.120 you guys for twenty five years, so easy with you guys. Stuff. 26 00:02:10.120 --> 00:02:15.120 That's eighty two podcasts with us, So he's actually this is his fourth that 27 00:02:15.120 --> 00:02:17.439 we had the four episodes of the Rock, so he's an eight time. 28 00:02:17.599 --> 00:02:21.719 The only one that might be up there is Hank or Ray I think, 29 00:02:22.520 --> 00:02:25.319 or the Leaves. I don't know. He's pretty well, I don't know. 30 00:02:25.560 --> 00:02:30.759 I don't know. Coops has uh weaned off of the molay teat and 31 00:02:30.840 --> 00:02:36.840 now has jumped onto the lead teeth. Wow, really, I don't know. 32 00:02:36.960 --> 00:02:38.520 Hank. I gotta talk to Hank. He's probably feeling a little left 33 00:02:38.520 --> 00:02:40.919 out. I don't know. I talked to Hank several times a week. 34 00:02:40.919 --> 00:02:43.960 Bro, He'll be coming back on the show. He'll be sure, he 35 00:02:44.039 --> 00:02:47.360 will absolutely. Oh, you know what we gotta get you played on the 36 00:02:47.439 --> 00:02:58.560 Ragers, The Raiders. I play the commercials before I come out and tell 37 00:02:58.599 --> 00:03:01.919 my ship Storff sit stories. Let me know on the comments well before we 38 00:03:02.000 --> 00:03:05.759 get to that. A word from our friends over at Armour Tough. 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Let's just trying to build the bag cave so his 102 00:07:41.199 --> 00:07:45.360 wife can't see him down there in his shirt. Man, it's the shirt. 103 00:07:45.360 --> 00:07:46.680 I got to see the back. Let me see the bath. Here's 104 00:07:46.720 --> 00:07:51.759 the back. You can't see it. Whoa, that's a bad as shirt. 105 00:07:51.839 --> 00:07:55.279 Man. That's cool. That is a bad ass shirt. That's a 106 00:07:55.279 --> 00:07:59.000 bad ass company too. Yeah, they were doing it. That's the Yeah, 107 00:07:59.040 --> 00:08:01.839 that's some of the boys in the Providence, Rhode Island Fire Department. 108 00:08:03.399 --> 00:08:07.959 The other night when I was in Providence for for one of their conferences that 109 00:08:09.040 --> 00:08:13.120 they put on. What a great job they did there. And a couple 110 00:08:13.160 --> 00:08:18.519 of blocks from the hotel, we got this this three decad going dec there's 111 00:08:18.560 --> 00:08:24.360 a three decondo and they talked about a three deca during the day and there 112 00:08:24.399 --> 00:08:28.079 he wre man and let me tell you like it does a matter where you 113 00:08:28.199 --> 00:08:31.679 are, right, the brothers and sisters getting at it. They're doing the 114 00:08:31.799 --> 00:08:35.440 job. Fires in the walls, it's spreading rapidly and the you know, 115 00:08:37.000 --> 00:08:37.840 they're doing the best they can. I mean, look at the look at 116 00:08:37.840 --> 00:08:41.279 the ladder they got up there. You know, no one likes to no 117 00:08:41.360 --> 00:08:43.639 one likes to throw a ladder at that size, right, we know that, 118 00:08:43.840 --> 00:08:50.399 but just hey, it's uh did you take that picture? Was that? 119 00:08:50.720 --> 00:08:54.960 Did you take that picture? I didn't take that picture? Picture A 120 00:08:56.000 --> 00:08:58.080 bunch of videos? Is that before? At the attaptic guy on the shoulder 121 00:08:58.159 --> 00:09:00.960 say hey give me that? No, okay, let me show how do 122 00:09:03.080 --> 00:09:09.639 Yeah. So though there's other fire departments, they love nothing more then than 123 00:09:09.720 --> 00:09:11.159 someone from another apartment to come up to them and tell them, Hey, 124 00:09:11.240 --> 00:09:16.759 this is how we do it. In my g I don't care where you. 125 00:09:16.919 --> 00:09:18.159 I don't care where you ring that line to the third floor, you 126 00:09:18.320 --> 00:09:20.159 lean and go. Yeah. I don't know if I would do that. 127 00:09:20.360 --> 00:09:26.440 I would probably go the way I said. I stay on the sidelines. 128 00:09:26.480 --> 00:09:30.600 I watch, I try and learn, and I said, if something catastrophic 129 00:09:30.799 --> 00:09:33.639 was to happen, and you know, the brothers were down something, the 130 00:09:33.679 --> 00:09:35.080 sisters were down, it's a different story, then I would jump in. 131 00:09:35.120 --> 00:09:41.159 But otherwise I'm very respectful when I'm on the scene of somebody else's alarm, 132 00:09:41.279 --> 00:09:46.240 because nobody wants an expert from the sidelines telling them what to do, right, 133 00:09:46.320 --> 00:09:50.759 everybody's an expert when they're on the sideline. You can't do that ship 134 00:09:50.080 --> 00:09:54.159 in the arena. You can't do that ship in a different company, like 135 00:09:54.200 --> 00:09:56.440 if you were in the Brooklyn. Then he went to the Bronx. Oh 136 00:09:56.559 --> 00:09:58.480 yeah, Brooklyn. We used to do it this way. They'd be like, 137 00:09:58.559 --> 00:10:01.000 yeah, right, yeah, go back. Yeah, you know before 138 00:10:01.000 --> 00:10:03.840 it like, we gotta do the pledge because we forgot left. Ye. 139 00:10:05.080 --> 00:10:07.720 Let me pull up that video. Sorry, folks, haven't done this in 140 00:10:07.799 --> 00:10:15.080 a little bit, but here it is. I pledge allegiance to the Flag 141 00:10:15.480 --> 00:10:20.200 of the United States of America and to the Republic, for which it stands, 142 00:10:22.120 --> 00:10:43.639 One nation under God, indivisible with liberty and justice for all. What 143 00:10:43.799 --> 00:10:48.480 is that? Like a gold nugget, Coop. I'm stuck in my tooth 144 00:10:48.519 --> 00:10:54.399 from this, And I saw him doing it backstation like that freaking guy. 145 00:10:54.639 --> 00:10:58.480 So let me ask you this before we move on. How did the fire 146 00:10:58.559 --> 00:11:01.519 go? Did it go out like what happened? Yeah, they went out, 147 00:11:01.559 --> 00:11:03.399 but that ain't that's not a good bar, right, so we got 148 00:11:03.519 --> 00:11:07.240 to hold out people to a higher standard than that. But they didn't. 149 00:11:07.320 --> 00:11:09.440 They did a nice job. They had a lot of a lot of firefighters 150 00:11:09.480 --> 00:11:13.360 there, A lot of firefighters that I met earlier that day at the conference 151 00:11:13.399 --> 00:11:18.879 were there and just so many I said, so many good firefighters there that 152 00:11:18.919 --> 00:11:22.960 they met. And that's they talked about the three decades that they that they 153 00:11:22.039 --> 00:11:26.320 get and just you know, prepare for the possible, right And they were 154 00:11:26.600 --> 00:11:30.399 there. They are training all day. Someone were going to be that back 155 00:11:30.440 --> 00:11:33.080 there the next day. So this is a conference that they used to do 156 00:11:33.440 --> 00:11:35.759 often, and they had stopped it for a couple of years. Now they've 157 00:11:35.799 --> 00:11:39.679 been doing it for a couple of years in a row again now and what 158 00:11:39.799 --> 00:11:43.320 a super conference had about one hundred and seventy attendees. They were all dialed 159 00:11:43.360 --> 00:11:46.799 in, you could tell, right. So you look at the crowd and 160 00:11:48.720 --> 00:11:52.000 nobody's playing with their phone and doing other stuff. They're there because they want 161 00:11:52.039 --> 00:11:54.159 to be there, because they want to learn just a great time. So 162 00:11:54.440 --> 00:11:58.039 that's the Fire Administrators summit. That's a different oat pitcher that they have a 163 00:11:58.440 --> 00:12:03.639 but that's a different one. Get it's still a three deca. It's still 164 00:12:03.679 --> 00:12:09.039 a three deca. So when we're on my way home the following morning on 165 00:12:09.279 --> 00:12:11.679 to get on to ninety five, you actually pass it because that's the good 166 00:12:11.720 --> 00:12:15.879 thing when you buffet. Once they got the flames out, you could go 167 00:12:15.960 --> 00:12:18.840 home. They were there for a couple more hours doing what they have to 168 00:12:18.919 --> 00:12:22.720 do. But you know what, certainly a department with a lot of pride, 169 00:12:22.039 --> 00:12:26.240 a lot of good people in that department, and uh that conference. 170 00:12:26.559 --> 00:12:31.039 Look for it next year. It's definitely worth worth attending. And I appreciate 171 00:12:31.879 --> 00:12:39.120 the Providence man. The Providence Survival seven. I've got there now I've got 172 00:12:39.159 --> 00:12:41.559 the name of it, but it's on if you go on Cornerstones of Leadership 173 00:12:41.639 --> 00:12:46.720 on Facebook, I have I have posts about the conference there. That's the 174 00:12:48.120 --> 00:12:50.519 page I'm using to post stuff related to the book and stuff like that. 175 00:12:50.919 --> 00:12:54.279 Try and take some of the stuff off of my personal Facebook page and put 176 00:12:54.320 --> 00:12:56.960 it on there where we could interact with, you know, related to the 177 00:12:58.000 --> 00:13:01.679 book and other other topics. How's the book doing. It's doing well, 178 00:13:01.759 --> 00:13:05.279 man, I'll tell you what it's been at some point, number one on 179 00:13:05.360 --> 00:13:13.559 Amazon and five different categories. Yeah, so that's pretty cool that and that's 180 00:13:13.879 --> 00:13:18.200 that's people spending their hard earned money before they even know if it's good or 181 00:13:18.240 --> 00:13:22.480 not. Now I'm starting to get some reviews on it, and there he 182 00:13:22.559 --> 00:13:26.240 goes, thank you, Timmy Klett Providence Safety and Survival. Uh he saved 183 00:13:26.240 --> 00:13:31.240 me again. Man. He's Taurus, so he knows how to do it. 184 00:13:31.720 --> 00:13:35.840 The Wizard of water man, he's always the Stamppipe, the Sultan of 185 00:13:35.879 --> 00:13:39.360 the Stampipe, the brow of H two. Joe Whizz is in there. 186 00:13:41.440 --> 00:13:45.840 We were training on it today, so our two hour ride to work and 187 00:13:45.879 --> 00:13:48.679 a little over two hours on the way home right away. For on the 188 00:13:48.720 --> 00:13:50.840 way home from work, and I'm like, bro, we might not be 189 00:13:50.919 --> 00:13:54.919 home for eight o'clock. It was. It was terrible coming from headquarters today 190 00:13:54.960 --> 00:14:00.440 going home, and so you had to drive it like he stole it, 191 00:14:01.960 --> 00:14:03.000 you know, just just for a couple of minutes. He had to do 192 00:14:03.120 --> 00:14:07.320 that. But we got h you know, we managed, we got home 193 00:14:07.440 --> 00:14:11.120 in uh in some time. But uh yeah, hey, so how about 194 00:14:11.200 --> 00:14:16.200 them jets, right? I mean come on, yeah, baby giants man, 195 00:14:16.399 --> 00:14:22.679 nobody, nobody, let's not even talk about the Giants. But what 196 00:14:22.840 --> 00:14:28.480 a show you guys had with Eddie's alone Byman Ed. Just you think about 197 00:14:28.519 --> 00:14:33.799 like wild, Yeah, that guy's a beast. He's still pumped up. 198 00:14:33.879 --> 00:14:37.320 He's still for a guy who's out, he's still motivated, right, I 199 00:14:37.399 --> 00:14:43.600 mean, it's crazy. My goodness. He he bleeds green and he bleeds 200 00:14:43.720 --> 00:14:50.120 red for the FDNA. I met him. I met him when I was 201 00:14:50.200 --> 00:14:52.720 in Proby school because one of the guys that the guy that sat next to 202 00:14:52.799 --> 00:14:56.559 me, George Valente, who I hadn't seen in like ten years, and 203 00:14:56.639 --> 00:15:00.440 recently we went out for lunch. He was like like we had it was 204 00:15:00.519 --> 00:15:05.120 like we've seen each other yesterday, you know. Anyway, George introduced my 205 00:15:05.240 --> 00:15:11.039 whole class, my hope for platoon to Eddie anzelone and he was just a 206 00:15:11.120 --> 00:15:16.159 ball of fire. Then that was see the Proby class. That was nineteen 207 00:15:16.279 --> 00:15:20.440 ninety two, so I think that was that was before Fireman Ed really became 208 00:15:20.799 --> 00:15:24.120 what it is today. But what a great show him talking about his brother 209 00:15:26.080 --> 00:15:28.159 on the show and all of that, Like it's just and seeing him, 210 00:15:28.440 --> 00:15:33.879 like seeing him at at the game, yesterday, and now knowing the story, 211 00:15:33.000 --> 00:15:35.279 I didn't know his brother passed away, but seeing that, and for 212 00:15:35.399 --> 00:15:37.600 me, I had a brother that passed away at a young age, and 213 00:15:39.039 --> 00:15:41.320 seeing that he wasn't on his brother's shoulders yesterday, and now I knew why 214 00:15:41.840 --> 00:15:46.519 added another little piece to that. And just you gotta love how into the 215 00:15:46.679 --> 00:15:52.000 job he is, and just that exuberance and excitement that he had when I 216 00:15:52.080 --> 00:15:56.399 met him in nineteen ninety two and how he is all these years later, 217 00:15:56.519 --> 00:16:00.879 right, he just he's never lost his passion. And I've never forgotten that 218 00:16:00.080 --> 00:16:04.159 day. As he's quoting the ten codes to us, He's like, ward, 219 00:16:04.240 --> 00:16:07.480 return the quarters. He's he's reading them all right, and then he 220 00:16:07.639 --> 00:16:11.600 just kept going into into everything. I'm like, this guy is freaking squared 221 00:16:11.600 --> 00:16:15.639 away. I love this guy. And uh, you know then I then 222 00:16:15.679 --> 00:16:18.960 I didn't know him again until you know, later on you see that he's 223 00:16:18.960 --> 00:16:22.840 had all these jet games and stuff. And then I talked to George Valente 224 00:16:22.120 --> 00:16:25.519 and he and he tells, me, yeah, that's who you know. 225 00:16:26.399 --> 00:16:27.600 That was fireman Ed. I'm like, yeah, of course, it was 226 00:16:29.399 --> 00:16:33.440 no surprise, right, he's the real deal man. Did you see those 227 00:16:33.519 --> 00:16:37.360 old timers we had on there, we had Chief Farrell and we had Captain 228 00:16:37.879 --> 00:16:41.840 Laughy. Have you watched those shows yet? I have not. And then 229 00:16:41.879 --> 00:16:45.279 that show watch, Oh yeah, I'm gonna watch the one with Greco. 230 00:16:45.440 --> 00:16:49.720 That's the next one. I'm cute up to watch. You'll see Louis smiling 231 00:16:49.799 --> 00:16:55.679 the whole time. Bro, Yeah, I'm sure we should all be smiling 232 00:16:55.799 --> 00:17:00.519 because because Paly Greco just you know, just a great human being. Forget 233 00:17:00.559 --> 00:17:03.279 the fact that he was a great firefighter, he was a great human being 234 00:17:04.119 --> 00:17:10.160 and taken from us way too soon. And seeing seeing his son succeed and 235 00:17:10.559 --> 00:17:12.920 and just seeing what he's done, and how Pete, miss Linsky's been there, 236 00:17:14.440 --> 00:17:17.359 you know with him. I know you have Pete coming on soon, 237 00:17:17.440 --> 00:17:19.839 another just salt of the earth kind of guy. And I can't wait to 238 00:17:19.880 --> 00:17:22.960 see that episode. I just that's an episode. I don't want to watch 239 00:17:23.000 --> 00:17:26.880 a part of it. I want to make sure that I can watch the 240 00:17:26.920 --> 00:17:30.720 whole thing at one time, so I haven't. I haven't been able to 241 00:17:30.039 --> 00:17:33.720 watch it yet. But man, you guys just keep cranking out good content. 242 00:17:34.440 --> 00:17:37.039 That's uh, it's all about the guest. Chief, It's all about 243 00:17:37.079 --> 00:17:42.119 the guests, you know. Well that helps. I guess you see him, 244 00:17:42.119 --> 00:17:48.759 he's like this. I guess that helps me. I'm doing my best 245 00:17:51.000 --> 00:17:57.400 the books like this, have you you know, Frank Deputy chief Author, 246 00:17:59.799 --> 00:18:04.200 you with that the credentials, Now, where's the where's the pipe? Coops? 247 00:18:06.880 --> 00:18:17.039 It's best selling author brother Yeah, yeah, yeah. Celebrated best author 248 00:18:17.519 --> 00:18:26.480 Francis Lee in five categories on the He also penned the four into the They 249 00:18:26.599 --> 00:18:30.480 Saved New York. She is another great book, right, you to have 250 00:18:30.519 --> 00:18:38.759 another book coming out, and so you mentioned that event that's going on in 251 00:18:38.880 --> 00:18:42.480 November right where they're going to do the signing. I am a late edition. 252 00:18:42.640 --> 00:18:45.200 I will be there and that Saturday night as well. There you go, 253 00:18:47.240 --> 00:18:51.000 Yes, with my book. I'll bring it my wife with me. 254 00:18:51.200 --> 00:18:55.119 Your wife coming, she is not coming. I think I will probably have 255 00:18:55.200 --> 00:18:59.359 my son with me. And then I'm doing a class on Sunday, and 256 00:18:59.480 --> 00:19:03.480 I think of Joe's gonna stop by on Sunday as well. I told him, 257 00:19:03.519 --> 00:19:07.319 bro, you got to come by. Yeah, so you'll get you 258 00:19:07.440 --> 00:19:11.200 get him as well. And they have a lot of people lined up for 259 00:19:11.279 --> 00:19:14.519 Saturday Night, a lot of the people that are featured in They Save New 260 00:19:14.599 --> 00:19:19.079 York. So there's several legends that that are gonna be there and then then 261 00:19:19.240 --> 00:19:25.200 then me and then you got out to you is being low. I think 262 00:19:25.240 --> 00:19:32.079 we might have to sweep to join up or we're done to grab the broom 263 00:19:33.960 --> 00:19:38.039 when you leave with the group that's in that bottle light. I mean, 264 00:19:38.519 --> 00:19:44.279 yeah, I'm excited, you know with the people that sounds like a're gonna 265 00:19:44.319 --> 00:19:47.519 be there. And you know those two guys and Kevin Yost the work they're 266 00:19:47.599 --> 00:19:51.319 doing for that, you know, I know you guys knew Joey D. 267 00:19:51.440 --> 00:19:56.160 I knew Joey D. Joey D. He also did some training with us 268 00:19:56.240 --> 00:20:00.359 in my east in East Farmingdale in my volunteer fire department, So you know, 269 00:20:00.480 --> 00:20:03.920 my volunteer friends knew knew Joey well. And to see what what they've 270 00:20:04.000 --> 00:20:10.000 done with this is just remarkable. So hopefully we'll see some people. We'll 271 00:20:10.000 --> 00:20:11.960 see some people there as well. Yeah, that should be fun. Man. 272 00:20:15.200 --> 00:20:18.000 Hey, I see that Frank Ledo is in the chat. Frank he 273 00:20:18.200 --> 00:20:26.319 ran our counseling unit, so he he's just a remarkable guy, remarkable story. 274 00:20:26.880 --> 00:20:29.720 He has a copy of the book, but I don't know if he 275 00:20:29.759 --> 00:20:33.759 started reading it yet, but he's mentioned in it as well. He probably 276 00:20:33.759 --> 00:20:36.759 doesn't. He may not even know that yet, but I mentioned because I 277 00:20:36.799 --> 00:20:38.759 didn't tell him. I like some of the people I mentioned in the book. 278 00:20:38.759 --> 00:20:41.519 I never told him I mentioned them in the book. And he's one 279 00:20:41.559 --> 00:20:45.440 of them. Just a great, a great person for sure. So he's 280 00:20:45.480 --> 00:20:48.759 talking about he's talking about the summit. But we'll get to the we'll get 281 00:20:48.799 --> 00:20:53.599 to the summit. But a shout out to my buddy who just retired. 282 00:20:55.240 --> 00:20:57.960 Shout out to FX, my buddy who is in the Volunteer Fire Service. 283 00:20:59.000 --> 00:21:03.240 He just retired. And I'm like, bro, you're only like six months 284 00:21:03.279 --> 00:21:07.160 older than me and you retired already. That's that's not right. Uh So 285 00:21:08.039 --> 00:21:11.000 man, and I'll tell you what. Is he moving away? No, 286 00:21:11.240 --> 00:21:15.400 he's not gonna move away now. He likes it. He likes it from 287 00:21:15.839 --> 00:21:18.200 on Long Island, so he'll stay. But I'll tell you, man. 288 00:21:18.279 --> 00:21:23.960 Coming home from work, I was exhausted because all day had we had a 289 00:21:25.039 --> 00:21:29.839 meeting this morning. Some of the firefighters from UH, from Beasailles, UH 290 00:21:30.240 --> 00:21:33.519 from France were in town and so we had a meeting with them. But 291 00:21:33.640 --> 00:21:38.359 after that, sitting in I'm sitting in my office and Chief Esposito's office is 292 00:21:38.440 --> 00:21:41.640 right next door to mine, and I'm like, that guy didn't stop. 293 00:21:42.079 --> 00:21:45.960 I don't think he had lunch today. And when I was leaving a little 294 00:21:47.000 --> 00:21:48.279 after five o'clock, I told him, I said, bro, I am 295 00:21:48.400 --> 00:21:52.960 freaking exhausted, not for my day. My day was wasn't that bad? 296 00:21:52.319 --> 00:21:56.400 But after hearing he had meeting after meeting, I would just walk over there 297 00:21:56.400 --> 00:22:00.119 and just check up on him, like are you still okay? Like you 298 00:22:00.200 --> 00:22:03.319 talk and you talk about a guy that's into the job, and I know 299 00:22:03.400 --> 00:22:06.799 you had him on right, But that guy loves the f d n Y 300 00:22:07.160 --> 00:22:11.000 And he's certainly one of those guys that starts every single day by saying, 301 00:22:11.240 --> 00:22:14.680 what can we do for the brothers and sisters that get on the fire trucks 302 00:22:14.680 --> 00:22:19.039 and ambulances today? How can we support them? And if if you're a 303 00:22:19.119 --> 00:22:22.279 chief in his position, that's the way it's got to be right. And 304 00:22:22.839 --> 00:22:27.720 he had his assistant chief of Operations, Kevin Woods, was in there with 305 00:22:27.880 --> 00:22:30.839 him a good part of the day, and other people kept popping in and 306 00:22:30.960 --> 00:22:34.559 out to help them. But he had to deal with a couple of a 307 00:22:34.640 --> 00:22:38.559 couple of heavy issues in the field. Kevin Woods was assistant chief of Operations. 308 00:22:40.359 --> 00:22:42.400 Yeah. Yeah, he went from the from the Staten Island Borough Commander 309 00:22:42.519 --> 00:22:45.960 to there. He's got his brother, Danny Woods, right, I think 310 00:22:45.519 --> 00:22:49.240 he's the chief too. Yeah. I'm not sure of all the who's really 311 00:22:49.799 --> 00:22:55.319 who's who's related to who, because everybody seems to be related, you know, 312 00:22:55.839 --> 00:22:57.799 one way or another. But I told him, I said, man, 313 00:22:59.039 --> 00:23:03.319 I am exhausted, and he's at an event tonight. So he told 314 00:23:03.359 --> 00:23:06.200 me he's like, listen, bro, I'm gonna listen to the scrap tomorrow 315 00:23:06.279 --> 00:23:10.920 on my way in because he won't get home. Several of them will go 316 00:23:11.039 --> 00:23:14.359 into UH. I think the Emerald Society said, God night is something was 317 00:23:14.400 --> 00:23:17.359 tonight that they're all going to support that. But that's what they do, 318 00:23:17.559 --> 00:23:21.759 right, They just they never stop. And I know of I know of 319 00:23:21.880 --> 00:23:25.839 several people that are going to that. Woods is not because he's got citywide 320 00:23:26.319 --> 00:23:29.880 duty today, but I know Mike Mayas was going to that. I know 321 00:23:30.000 --> 00:23:36.119 that Esposito, and I'd heard there were a few others, but just the 322 00:23:36.200 --> 00:23:41.079 brothers and sisters got to know how much how much somebody's UH department or what 323 00:23:42.599 --> 00:23:48.240 he's got. My vote that man, he's he's certainly qualified. Uh. 324 00:23:48.400 --> 00:23:52.200 He understands the balance, the delegate balance of making sure that you're taking care 325 00:23:52.240 --> 00:23:56.839 of the brothers and sisters and that you're also making sure that you you know, 326 00:23:56.880 --> 00:24:00.759 they're looking out for the rules and that's how stuff. So he's definitely 327 00:24:00.799 --> 00:24:04.319 a good Uh, he would definitely be a good person for the job. 328 00:24:04.559 --> 00:24:07.079 Like I said, he's got he's got my vote, he's got my support 329 00:24:07.559 --> 00:24:11.680 and he knows that. So I hope so, I hope that, I 330 00:24:11.759 --> 00:24:15.920 hope something maybe somebody is listening that has has input in that. Yeah, 331 00:24:17.319 --> 00:24:22.720 but we'll see. So that that Providence job. So I was there. 332 00:24:22.559 --> 00:24:25.920 I want to get back to that Providence job. There it is, there, 333 00:24:25.920 --> 00:24:29.200 it is again, but uh, I'm sitting there. It's after the 334 00:24:29.279 --> 00:24:32.839 fire. As we were leaving, we took our backstep photo of the of 335 00:24:32.960 --> 00:24:36.480 some of the guys I was buffing it with, which was myself, my 336 00:24:36.680 --> 00:24:40.559 son Justin, and then Ray McCormick. And there we are sporting, sporting 337 00:24:40.680 --> 00:24:47.720 getting salty. Oh yeah nice. And Ray was actually sporting the the Mile 338 00:24:47.839 --> 00:24:51.640 High Conference. He had just come back from Denver, uh for the for 339 00:24:51.720 --> 00:24:53.720 the fire conference. They have out there. So so many good uh, 340 00:24:55.400 --> 00:24:57.519 so many good conferences out there. You just got to get out of your 341 00:24:57.559 --> 00:25:02.920 department and see what's going on on outside outside of your your area. Doesn't 342 00:25:02.920 --> 00:25:06.480 matter where you work. Guys from the FD and Y and girls from the 343 00:25:06.599 --> 00:25:10.960 FD and Y constantly getting out there and teaching, but not only teaching but 344 00:25:11.160 --> 00:25:15.720 learning, so things with you huh he does. Yeah. So, I 345 00:25:15.799 --> 00:25:18.799 mean he's the reason the book's over the you know, between him and my 346 00:25:18.880 --> 00:25:22.279 wife, the amount of work that they did on the them in particular on 347 00:25:22.440 --> 00:25:26.119 the book to get it over the finish line. Coley Moore, who has 348 00:25:26.160 --> 00:25:27.920 a book out himself, The Nine l is a really good book. He 349 00:25:29.039 --> 00:25:33.960 did a lot of editing on the book as well, but really it was 350 00:25:33.039 --> 00:25:37.039 my son who got it over the finish line. So I tell him, 351 00:25:37.079 --> 00:25:40.119 I'm like, hey, come with me. You can help me sell a 352 00:25:40.160 --> 00:25:42.960 few books. And you know that in this one right this Saturday, we 353 00:25:44.079 --> 00:25:47.720 get to the hotel and he sees this a lot of people checking in and 354 00:25:47.799 --> 00:25:49.480 he's like, what's going on. It finds out there's a football game. 355 00:25:49.960 --> 00:25:55.799 So he goes to the Brown Princeton football game on Saturday. Well, I'm 356 00:25:55.839 --> 00:25:57.599 teaching, and then he comes back, you know, Saturday night to hang 357 00:25:57.640 --> 00:26:00.599 out. But yeah, it's it's good stuff. Man. In fact, 358 00:26:00.640 --> 00:26:04.240 that unfortunate that I could. I could do that. Right, He's at 359 00:26:04.240 --> 00:26:10.200 a point right now he's in between going to to starting his cut next college 360 00:26:11.000 --> 00:26:14.119 plan. He's going to do that soon. So I'm able to take him 361 00:26:14.160 --> 00:26:17.319 with me when I go to these things, which is cool. Who's better 362 00:26:17.400 --> 00:26:19.519 than me that I could do that? Yeah? I just sat down yesterday 363 00:26:19.559 --> 00:26:22.920 on a couch was it yesterday day before with my two youngest boys, and 364 00:26:23.000 --> 00:26:26.279 we watched Backdraft for the first time. Bro, it's I can ride a 365 00:26:26.359 --> 00:26:30.599 passage? Bro? Does it get any better than that? So you know 366 00:26:30.640 --> 00:26:33.319 what I did. I immediately called a buddy. You know, the guy 367 00:26:33.359 --> 00:26:36.359 who owns the boat, the Fireboat, the Hollywood guy. Yeah, he's 368 00:26:36.400 --> 00:26:38.799 friends with the guy who wrote by Backdraft. I said, listen, that 369 00:26:40.039 --> 00:26:44.720 mother effort owes it to the fire community for making him filthy rich and for 370 00:26:44.839 --> 00:26:48.359 making that that movie iconic. You better get him on our show where we 371 00:26:48.400 --> 00:26:51.599 want him on the show. He said, you know what, You're right. 372 00:26:51.720 --> 00:26:52.920 I said, all right, let's do it, man, let's get 373 00:26:52.960 --> 00:26:56.759 him on the show. The guy who wrote back Draft. We'll probably have 374 00:26:56.920 --> 00:27:03.839 leab on that day. So put leads on that day? What about the 375 00:27:04.200 --> 00:27:14.359 twenty eight? What about the first hold on? Sorry, I wanted to 376 00:27:14.440 --> 00:27:15.759 know. I had it in my head and I'm gonna forget. How long 377 00:27:15.839 --> 00:27:19.240 did it take you from the time you started writing to the end? How 378 00:27:19.279 --> 00:27:22.400 long did it take? So that's a good question. The book was based 379 00:27:22.480 --> 00:27:26.839 on the keynote that I did at last year's fire House expot So the meat 380 00:27:26.839 --> 00:27:32.119 and potatoes in the book were written in the past year. So the picture 381 00:27:32.200 --> 00:27:34.960 up there now, that was over there with Pete Matthews and the folks, 382 00:27:36.119 --> 00:27:41.279 the guys that did this year's keynote, and they did a tremendous job. 383 00:27:41.680 --> 00:27:48.039 They spoke about this year's keynote was all about family and the brotherhood and Walton 384 00:27:48.119 --> 00:27:52.119 John Lewis. I think you guys, you guys know those Yeah, I'm 385 00:27:52.119 --> 00:27:56.839 pretty sure you know John. He's from Jersey. Walt's the Tian chief down 386 00:27:56.880 --> 00:27:59.920 in Atlanta. And of course I'm forgetting someone from the check can helped me 387 00:28:00.079 --> 00:28:03.000 out with this too. I always mess up the other guy's name, so 388 00:28:03.079 --> 00:28:06.200 I'll wait for the chat to the wisdom of the crowds to help me out 389 00:28:06.279 --> 00:28:11.440 with with those guys. But they did a really nice job talking about family 390 00:28:11.880 --> 00:28:15.200 and the brotherhood and whether you have a relative or a brother in the fire 391 00:28:15.240 --> 00:28:21.359 department. It's just it was really good and that was the picture of them. 392 00:28:21.400 --> 00:28:26.799 But anyway, so that's what the book was based off of the keynote, 393 00:28:26.000 --> 00:28:30.079 So I had a rough outline of what I wanted to talk about, 394 00:28:30.119 --> 00:28:33.759 so I didn't have to worry about figuring that out right, So it when 395 00:28:33.799 --> 00:28:37.119 a timeline of my career, and then it just became more of filling in 396 00:28:37.240 --> 00:28:42.799 the gaps to make it where it's a coherent book. Right. But the 397 00:28:42.960 --> 00:28:48.039 keynote was about forty two minutes forty three minutes, so that's a pretty long 398 00:28:48.119 --> 00:28:52.599 start already and then fill that in. But it was a lot of work. 399 00:28:52.640 --> 00:28:55.440 It was a lot more work than I would have thought it was, 400 00:28:55.559 --> 00:29:00.279 to be honest with you, and I definitely have a newfound respect for for 401 00:29:00.400 --> 00:29:03.519 writers and to have to make a live in doing that. You know, 402 00:29:04.119 --> 00:29:10.119 kudos to those because it's really difficult to get that book that really goes and 403 00:29:10.279 --> 00:29:12.799 sells, you know, millions of copies, like you know, you can't 404 00:29:12.839 --> 00:29:15.559 expect to be like a guy who writes a book like for the first time 405 00:29:15.640 --> 00:29:19.960 and be like a well known you know guy, who what is that? 406 00:29:21.039 --> 00:29:25.400 What were you again? Sorry? The best selling author five tope? What 407 00:29:25.480 --> 00:29:30.400 about five category and Amazon? Something like that? That doesn't often happen, 408 00:29:30.559 --> 00:29:34.119 you know. So he's not laughing. Yeah, that's yeah, that's well. 409 00:29:34.640 --> 00:29:40.240 So Amazon sells more than one hundred and eighty thousand different books. So 410 00:29:40.599 --> 00:29:44.200 I never, I never got in. I never. I think I was 411 00:29:45.119 --> 00:29:48.880 Ony twenty one was the highest I saw myself on that list. But there's 412 00:29:48.920 --> 00:29:52.039 some heavy hitters. You look at the top hundred books on Amazon, there's 413 00:29:52.079 --> 00:29:56.039 books that sell millions, you know, and then then it probably drops off 414 00:29:56.160 --> 00:30:00.480 quite quite a bit. But I'm sure you read a lot of books prior 415 00:30:00.559 --> 00:30:03.720 to writing this, right, did you have kind of like a feel for 416 00:30:03.839 --> 00:30:07.759 it? Did you? Or no? Or did you just totally wing it? 417 00:30:07.680 --> 00:30:11.160 No? So I never wrote a book, but I've written. I've 418 00:30:11.200 --> 00:30:15.160 written probably over one hundred fire service article. No. No, I said 419 00:30:15.200 --> 00:30:17.960 you read a lot of books, Like did you read read? Yeah? 420 00:30:18.039 --> 00:30:19.240 No, I'm always reading. Right, So you you kind of have a 421 00:30:19.319 --> 00:30:23.000 feel of how you wanted the book to go, I would imagine like or 422 00:30:23.079 --> 00:30:26.000 no, yeah, no I did, and I had a feeling of how 423 00:30:26.039 --> 00:30:30.480 I wanted it, but even still right. So when when somebody else reads 424 00:30:30.519 --> 00:30:34.559 it and they say, yeah, this doesn't this doesn't sound right, you 425 00:30:34.599 --> 00:30:40.039 know, I had we took three chapters out and then put others, you 426 00:30:40.119 --> 00:30:44.160 know, or just totally redid them. Just this doesn't go this is too 427 00:30:44.240 --> 00:30:48.559 technical. And you know, again, the people that reviewed it, we 428 00:30:48.119 --> 00:30:51.519 were critical of it, which is what I told them. That's what I 429 00:30:51.680 --> 00:30:53.759 wanted them to be. I don't I don't want to put out a book 430 00:30:53.839 --> 00:30:59.200 that sucks. So there was a way to make it better, you know. 431 00:30:59.359 --> 00:31:02.160 So I remember Qually Moore one time, he's telling me, yeah, 432 00:31:02.160 --> 00:31:03.559 I just you know, I don't want you to take it the wrong way. 433 00:31:03.640 --> 00:31:06.960 I'm like, I'm getting tired of you saying that I'm going to take 434 00:31:07.000 --> 00:31:10.119 that comment the wrong way, Like, just tell me, tell me straight 435 00:31:10.200 --> 00:31:11.440 up. And he always did, and so did my son, so did 436 00:31:11.480 --> 00:31:14.880 my wife. So you know, and that's that's what you need. That's 437 00:31:14.920 --> 00:31:17.559 what makes the book better at the end of the day, right is how 438 00:31:17.599 --> 00:31:21.720 do we get it to be the best possible book? You know? And 439 00:31:21.799 --> 00:31:25.000 then I had some people review certain chapters that I wanted to make sure I 440 00:31:25.079 --> 00:31:27.920 got it right, you know, stuff like that, especially if I was 441 00:31:29.000 --> 00:31:32.079 covering, you know, some of the some of the difficult topics when we 442 00:31:32.160 --> 00:31:36.559 talk about mental health and that type of stuff, diversity inclusion chapter. I 443 00:31:36.720 --> 00:31:41.440 wanted to make sure that I had people review it, so you know it's 444 00:31:41.599 --> 00:31:45.720 uh, it worked. I think it worked out well. So you can't 445 00:31:45.720 --> 00:31:48.440 be you can't be on the best seller list only through Amazon. Amazon sales 446 00:31:48.440 --> 00:31:52.440 are not included on that. Really, when you sell so many books, 447 00:31:52.440 --> 00:31:56.440 why is that? I don't know why, but you had a system just 448 00:31:56.680 --> 00:32:00.480 uh, I guess is it them? I don't know. It's uh, 449 00:32:01.000 --> 00:32:07.519 it's strange. But pretty soon it'll be available to any retail outlook that wants 450 00:32:07.599 --> 00:32:10.759 to that wants to buy it. I had to go through a separate channel 451 00:32:10.839 --> 00:32:16.480 to do that. But soon it'll target the bookstores in the in the airport 452 00:32:16.519 --> 00:32:20.599 they still have bookstores. Is like Bond, there's no more Bonds and Noble 453 00:32:20.799 --> 00:32:24.359 like that, right that still are They still are and and a lot of 454 00:32:24.400 --> 00:32:27.839 people go to them. I like, I like going there and seeing the 455 00:32:27.880 --> 00:32:30.880 physical copy of the book, and a lot of people buy them in airport 456 00:32:30.960 --> 00:32:34.640 bookstores as well. Right, do you know how manyse books you sold so 457 00:32:34.759 --> 00:32:38.000 far? I don't know yet. I mean it's it's toughly. Amazon is 458 00:32:38.119 --> 00:32:43.200 very delayed, and I have a bunch that that I haven't sold yet. 459 00:32:43.319 --> 00:32:46.759 So but it's it's doing it's doing well. I mean it's not you know, 460 00:32:46.960 --> 00:32:52.359 it's not it's not a measurable amount yet, but hopefully every day it 461 00:32:52.440 --> 00:32:55.079 sells a few more. And it's been in it's in a couple of libraries 462 00:32:55.160 --> 00:32:59.000 now, which is really cool. Cool, right, Yeah, I know 463 00:32:59.119 --> 00:33:02.839 that it's in a couple of Fight Department libraries. It is in the the 464 00:33:04.039 --> 00:33:07.319 FD and Y Library, it is in the National Library in Emmitsburg, Maryland. 465 00:33:08.599 --> 00:33:12.839 In fact, I have a picture of that one. We should have 466 00:33:13.480 --> 00:33:16.839 We should have that one. That's a picture with the US the superintendent of 467 00:33:16.880 --> 00:33:23.240 the Fire Academy in the in their library at the Fire Academy. And so 468 00:33:23.359 --> 00:33:27.319 that was pretty cool. There you go, that's Eric Gablis and myself. 469 00:33:27.519 --> 00:33:30.400 Oh wow. Yeah, so they were very happy to get it. And 470 00:33:30.480 --> 00:33:36.599 you think about like the New York City Fire Academy is where the FD and 471 00:33:36.799 --> 00:33:42.319 Y Library is in that library. Our library has probably more fire service books 472 00:33:42.359 --> 00:33:46.200 than anywhere else, and a close second would be the National Library. But 473 00:33:46.319 --> 00:33:51.440 the National Library has people that are doing the Executive Fire Officer program and other 474 00:33:51.640 --> 00:33:57.559 programs like that, so that library gets used often by firefighters from all around 475 00:33:57.640 --> 00:34:00.599 the country, and I wanted, you know, I want to have that 476 00:34:00.680 --> 00:34:07.119 availability. I use my library frequently, especially for audio books and then even 477 00:34:07.160 --> 00:34:09.840 for some paper books if I'm depending where I'm going to be reading. So 478 00:34:10.159 --> 00:34:15.679 it was important to me to make sure it gets availability. I'm going to 479 00:34:15.719 --> 00:34:17.840 be meeting with my library and hopefully my high school, and I'd like to 480 00:34:17.920 --> 00:34:22.599 get copies in there because I think it's important that people that are going to 481 00:34:22.639 --> 00:34:27.000 school see that someone from their community. And I barely passed high school. 482 00:34:27.000 --> 00:34:30.360 I really I hated high school. I didn't want to be there. And 483 00:34:30.119 --> 00:34:35.559 you know, I think it's a message that you know, yeah, yeah, 484 00:34:35.599 --> 00:34:37.920 it's not forever. You've got to graduate, right, you got to 485 00:34:37.960 --> 00:34:42.400 do what you can to graduate, but you know you're a late bloomer or 486 00:34:42.480 --> 00:34:45.840 you didn't find your interest. And I hope that if this is in the 487 00:34:45.920 --> 00:34:50.239 library and young people read it, that they can see that there's other ways, 488 00:34:50.360 --> 00:34:52.320 right, you don't you don't you know, I wasn't a person that 489 00:34:52.480 --> 00:34:55.599 was cut out to go to ten years of school, right as a as 490 00:34:55.599 --> 00:35:00.840 an eighteen year old. Do you have to downloadable one too? It's not 491 00:35:01.039 --> 00:35:05.920 yet. We don't have that's I haven't had the time to do that. 492 00:35:07.039 --> 00:35:09.199 Uh. To be honest with you, I didn't realize how much work that 493 00:35:09.360 --> 00:35:15.360 be, how different things right after you published the book, right, so 494 00:35:15.960 --> 00:35:19.559 I probably should have. But I honestly, you know, when you're writing 495 00:35:19.639 --> 00:35:22.280 it, you don't really have an expectation for how how it'll do. You 496 00:35:22.400 --> 00:35:25.199 know, you could sell five books or you know whatever. You don't know. 497 00:35:27.719 --> 00:35:29.760 But I got to the point I really didn't care about that. It 498 00:35:29.880 --> 00:35:34.280 was about getting it out there and and putting, you know, putting some 499 00:35:34.400 --> 00:35:37.920 of the leadership things that that I think of, you know, irrelevant. 500 00:35:47.400 --> 00:35:52.760 That was pretty good. Chapter three will be about Hank though, so that'll 501 00:35:52.800 --> 00:35:57.360 make up well now we know we could definitely have them on for another show. 502 00:35:58.519 --> 00:36:02.320 Somebody woke him up game his Jared told what. Let me ask you 503 00:36:02.400 --> 00:36:05.920 though, to you real quick. I don't mean to interrupt, But what's 504 00:36:05.960 --> 00:36:09.159 interesting about this is when people pen books of this nature, they're usually retired 505 00:36:09.159 --> 00:36:12.159 by that. I think the only other active guy I can think of that 506 00:36:12.239 --> 00:36:14.320 wrote a book while he was still on the job was when that a Smith 507 00:36:14.360 --> 00:36:16.639 wrote Report from mentioned Company eighty two. So you're busy as it is day 508 00:36:16.679 --> 00:36:21.119 to day operations of the Ft and Y, and writing is a time consuming 509 00:36:21.239 --> 00:36:24.599 process. So tell me if you don't mind about balancing juggling your responsibilities with 510 00:36:24.639 --> 00:36:29.800 the Ft and Y and then also balancing finding the time to write this book. 511 00:36:29.840 --> 00:36:31.039 And that's not even counting the time you got to spend your family. 512 00:36:31.880 --> 00:36:36.400 Yeah, so that's a great question. And here's what I'd say. So, 513 00:36:36.480 --> 00:36:42.199 first of all, everything you do is about pub management, and if 514 00:36:42.239 --> 00:36:46.119 you that's that's that's critical. And as I said, I didn't go to 515 00:36:46.239 --> 00:36:51.800 school right out of high school, but eventually I got my bachelor's degree, 516 00:36:51.800 --> 00:36:54.480 and then eventually I went to the Naval Postgraduate School. And while I was 517 00:36:54.559 --> 00:37:00.199 there, one of my one of my favorite instructors I had in my first 518 00:37:00.239 --> 00:37:04.599 class. He wound up being my thesis advisor was Chris Belvida, and he 519 00:37:04.880 --> 00:37:07.920 transformed the way I think, the way I write, Like everything changed after 520 00:37:08.039 --> 00:37:13.440 that. And as a case in point, I think the next I write 521 00:37:13.519 --> 00:37:16.840 often now the next issue of WYF, I think we'll have my thirty second 522 00:37:16.960 --> 00:37:21.519 or thirty third article. Like I've lost track. I got to figure that 523 00:37:21.599 --> 00:37:24.760 out how many it is, but it's over thirty. And I could take 524 00:37:25.239 --> 00:37:29.119 a trip. I could get on the airplane for an hour and a half 525 00:37:29.159 --> 00:37:31.480 flight somewhere, and on my phone I could write. I could write a 526 00:37:31.519 --> 00:37:37.400 fifteen hundred word article and be almost done. So it's become writing has become 527 00:37:37.440 --> 00:37:40.519 a lot easier, so I could get the meat and bones of a book 528 00:37:42.079 --> 00:37:46.000 or an article out in a quick period of time. The problem then becomes 529 00:37:46.079 --> 00:37:52.159 the editing where it makes where it makes sense, and it's you know that 530 00:37:52.280 --> 00:37:57.960 it has a message that you know that's consistent throughout it. But now it's 531 00:37:58.280 --> 00:38:05.000 hard. At a staff level position, all of all of the staff members 532 00:38:05.039 --> 00:38:08.679 in the FD and Y work extremely hard. They're incredibly dedicated, and there's 533 00:38:08.760 --> 00:38:14.079 there's not a lot of downtime, but it's really just managing that downtime the 534 00:38:14.159 --> 00:38:17.880 weekend time to night time to make sure that you know a little bit every 535 00:38:17.960 --> 00:38:22.400 day and the next thing, you know, you got progress, you know, 536 00:38:22.800 --> 00:38:24.239 And that's I think that's the that's certain need to key to it. 537 00:38:24.480 --> 00:38:28.960 Sometimes you'll just write and you just start writing and you're on a roll and 538 00:38:29.079 --> 00:38:31.440 you just you just keep going right. And other times you're like I got 539 00:38:31.519 --> 00:38:35.800 nothing, so then you don't do it. Yeah. I wanted to ask 540 00:38:35.880 --> 00:38:37.480 this as a follow up as well, and that you mentioned something earlier I 541 00:38:37.519 --> 00:38:42.360 wanted to go back to, which is you weren't insulars and writing this book. 542 00:38:42.440 --> 00:38:45.480 We against some feedback like I think when you're in But you weren't insular 543 00:38:45.559 --> 00:38:47.400 in writing this book, and that you sought other perspectives. Sometimes you see 544 00:38:47.440 --> 00:38:50.679 this with big agencies. They think, well where the fd and Y, 545 00:38:50.760 --> 00:38:52.039 or where are the NYPD or so on and so forth. We don't need 546 00:38:52.079 --> 00:38:55.559 anybody else to tell us. But you saw those other perspectives. So not 547 00:38:55.719 --> 00:38:58.519 only did it help you in this book, but I'll ask you, how 548 00:38:58.519 --> 00:39:00.000 do you feel it's going to help you going fullward in your day to day 549 00:39:00.000 --> 00:39:05.000 operations with the FDNY those other perspectives, Well, it makes you better, 550 00:39:05.400 --> 00:39:10.039 right, you know? And will this particular? You know? Is there 551 00:39:10.079 --> 00:39:14.440 one part that will make me better than the other? I think collectively, 552 00:39:14.960 --> 00:39:16.280 I'm always trying to be better the next day, right, be a better 553 00:39:16.360 --> 00:39:22.599 version of yourself. However that however, that is right. But certainly there 554 00:39:22.639 --> 00:39:25.960 were chapters where I didn't know enough and I needed to say, hey, 555 00:39:27.360 --> 00:39:30.519 does this make sense or what should I add to this? And that's why 556 00:39:30.599 --> 00:39:34.079 when I talk about, you know, the chapter on mental health. I 557 00:39:34.119 --> 00:39:38.280 sent the chapter to Dina Alli Battayan chief down in Rally, and I said, 558 00:39:38.719 --> 00:39:43.880 does this make sense? Am I missing something? Because she just finished 559 00:39:43.880 --> 00:39:47.199 writing a book that'll be out hopefully next year sometime maybe in time for FD 560 00:39:47.320 --> 00:39:52.639 I see on mental health, and that book is going to be like an 561 00:39:52.719 --> 00:39:57.519 encyclopedia. It's because she has so much information on that that I just wanted 562 00:39:57.599 --> 00:40:00.239 to make sure, hey, is this right? Is this act curate? 563 00:40:00.320 --> 00:40:06.880 Because I don't want to write something that is misleading or inaccurate and I wind 564 00:40:07.000 --> 00:40:10.280 up harming firefighters more than I helped them, because that's the last thing I 565 00:40:10.360 --> 00:40:13.519 want to do. I love firefighters. The last thing I want to do 566 00:40:13.880 --> 00:40:19.360 is do something that would would hurt them. And and I keep going back 567 00:40:19.360 --> 00:40:24.880 to that chapter because I've gotten several emails and messages from people that have now 568 00:40:24.960 --> 00:40:30.519 read this book, and by far that is the chapter that they that they 569 00:40:31.199 --> 00:40:37.400 that they cite, and that really is is really pretty cool. Yeah, 570 00:40:37.599 --> 00:40:40.800 I thought they would cite the chapter with hot Dog, you know, because 571 00:40:40.840 --> 00:40:45.360 the chapter with hot Dog is was the you know, was the fun one, 572 00:40:45.519 --> 00:40:49.239 you know, for me, I love that one, but you never 573 00:40:49.360 --> 00:40:52.719 know. It's what people are gonna, what people are gonna, Oh my 574 00:40:52.840 --> 00:40:55.679 goodness. Yeah. So that chapter is on lessons learned from hot Dog, 575 00:40:55.920 --> 00:41:04.199 and so in in that chapter of the book, I talk about that. 576 00:41:04.440 --> 00:41:07.079 For for the Columbus State Parade a couple of years ago, that's me. 577 00:41:07.199 --> 00:41:12.920 I'm dressed up as hot Dog in that photo. That's me and fun fact, 578 00:41:13.039 --> 00:41:15.039 I was a deputy chief at the time and I am the highest dranking 579 00:41:15.320 --> 00:41:20.679 member. I dress up as hot Dog. Look at you. So there 580 00:41:20.760 --> 00:41:23.000 I am again as hot Dog. And at the point that's Mike Ajello, 581 00:41:23.519 --> 00:41:29.079 who's standing till my left, and Tom Richardson uh to the right. Tom 582 00:41:29.159 --> 00:41:32.320 are recently retired chief of Department, not so recent anymore, and Mike Cochello, 583 00:41:32.360 --> 00:41:37.280 who's currently the Manhattan Borough Commander. They had no idea when they took 584 00:41:37.320 --> 00:41:42.079 this picture that I was hot Dog there and then Siren. I don't even 585 00:41:42.159 --> 00:41:45.159 know who was Siren that day, but but that day it was all about 586 00:41:45.199 --> 00:41:52.000 hot Dog. So there a commissioner, so he found out later that day 587 00:41:52.480 --> 00:41:55.920 that it was me in the costume because what I did was the Columbian Association 588 00:41:57.119 --> 00:41:59.880 they have a breakfast that morning. So I dressed in my class, say, 589 00:42:00.039 --> 00:42:01.519 in a form, and I went to the breakfast and I saw everybody. 590 00:42:02.039 --> 00:42:07.000 You know, they invited me, So I went saying hello to everybody. 591 00:42:07.360 --> 00:42:10.480 And then when I knew we had fifteen minutes before before the parade, 592 00:42:12.000 --> 00:42:15.559 I went back to the van and I got changed. And then so then 593 00:42:15.599 --> 00:42:20.320 at the next staff meeting, the commissioner says to me, you know, 594 00:42:20.440 --> 00:42:22.840 in front of everybody, He's like, hey, I heard that there was 595 00:42:22.880 --> 00:42:25.760 a special guest in hot Dog. Like he didn't blow my cover. He 596 00:42:27.199 --> 00:42:30.719 it was almost like it was an inside joke between him and I at the 597 00:42:30.760 --> 00:42:35.000 staff meeting, but a lot of people later wound up finding out. But 598 00:42:35.440 --> 00:42:39.239 I got I got blessed by the cardinal. So yeah, so but I'm 599 00:42:39.280 --> 00:42:42.880 like, is it so did he bless me or did he bless hot Dog? 600 00:42:42.920 --> 00:42:46.519 And I say he blessed me because I'm in there. Yeah, so 601 00:42:46.920 --> 00:42:51.000 either way. But I met him a couple of months after that, So 602 00:42:51.159 --> 00:42:52.800 I got a blessing when I was when I was Frank Lead, So I 603 00:42:52.840 --> 00:42:55.760 got two blessings. So hot Dog, that's good that he got blessed. 604 00:42:57.039 --> 00:43:00.800 He needs it. But then so that was when they had made me the 605 00:43:00.599 --> 00:43:05.519 uh they was I was getting promoted to deputy and they asked me to go 606 00:43:06.280 --> 00:43:08.840 evaluate that unit. So I went and did that. The civilian leader of 607 00:43:08.880 --> 00:43:14.440 the unit is Fabricio Caro, who left the FDNY and now he recently just 608 00:43:14.559 --> 00:43:19.840 came back. So the picture of so there's a picture of him and I 609 00:43:20.360 --> 00:43:23.559 that one there, So that's for Brisio on myself. And we were at 610 00:43:23.719 --> 00:43:29.679 Fox News and we were doing a burn demonstration to demonstrate the difference between a 611 00:43:29.719 --> 00:43:32.840 sprinkled room and an unsprinkled room and the difference of a door closed and the 612 00:43:32.920 --> 00:43:37.639 door open. So we had Vicky Pritchett and Shane Ray from the National Sprinkle 613 00:43:37.679 --> 00:43:43.599 Association. We were going to be on on on on Fox and doing this, 614 00:43:43.920 --> 00:43:49.000 and then the picture of hot Dog with all the firefighters that was the 615 00:43:49.199 --> 00:43:52.840 that's that's fifty four engine and in that costume that day was for Bricio Caro, 616 00:43:53.199 --> 00:43:59.119 the civilian head of the unit of the unit. And it just shows 617 00:43:59.159 --> 00:44:05.760 you, right, so leadership and and all and and h enthusiasm and enthusiastic 618 00:44:05.920 --> 00:44:12.159 leadership is contagious. And he was a fantastic leader at the union and he 619 00:44:12.239 --> 00:44:15.320 saw how much fun I had doing it, and he had just as much 620 00:44:15.400 --> 00:44:17.760 fun doing it as well. In fact, I saw him at headquarters today 621 00:44:19.000 --> 00:44:21.320 and I told him, I said, bro, are you good. I'm 622 00:44:21.320 --> 00:44:23.039 gonna I'm gonna give up if I'm gonna blow your cover that you were that 623 00:44:23.119 --> 00:44:25.800 you were hot Dog. And he's like, go for it. I love 624 00:44:25.840 --> 00:44:32.960 it. So name Siren is the other one, hot Dog and Siren. 625 00:44:34.280 --> 00:44:37.000 He appears in this picture. Yeah, there you go, there's Siren right 626 00:44:37.039 --> 00:44:42.000 there. Yeah. But it's stuff like that, right that people don't always 627 00:44:42.039 --> 00:44:46.000 hear about. But there's there's so many good people doing great work, you 628 00:44:46.079 --> 00:44:51.280 know. To understand, No, Alex, I won't sign your dog hot 629 00:44:51.599 --> 00:44:57.440 your book hot Dog. Frank please signed my book hot Dog? Oh? 630 00:44:58.119 --> 00:45:04.480 Them saying Frank, could you please sign my That is uh yeah, that's 631 00:45:04.559 --> 00:45:07.880 true. And I see Stephen from New Haven is in the in the chat, 632 00:45:08.000 --> 00:45:15.800 as is my boy Frankie Goods in there. Yeah. Ray seely racer 633 00:45:15.159 --> 00:45:22.079 big big Daddy. Let him O'Neills. I did. He gave me. 634 00:45:23.079 --> 00:45:27.559 I got a question for your chief, So what do you got your accomplishments 635 00:45:28.880 --> 00:45:31.199 in the fd O? Y we we know all the way up stair chief, 636 00:45:31.440 --> 00:45:37.079 Right, how does it feel. What's the sense of accomplishment for doing 637 00:45:37.199 --> 00:45:43.599 something becoming a uh an author and something outside you're laying or outside your purview? 638 00:45:43.679 --> 00:45:49.000 Is that is there a greatest sense of accomplishment or well so, I 639 00:45:49.079 --> 00:45:52.280 mean, I don't know if it's the greatest sense of accomplishment. You know 640 00:45:52.320 --> 00:45:55.000 what this is, it's a It's another example of how humbling it is, 641 00:45:55.199 --> 00:46:01.880 right is what you know? And you saw at fire Out Expo uh you 642 00:46:01.960 --> 00:46:07.119 know, people coming up and signing it and having people say that they're not 643 00:46:07.239 --> 00:46:12.079 in the FD and Y and they say, you've been, You've been amented 644 00:46:12.159 --> 00:46:15.159 to me for the past ten years. And then they further explain it that 645 00:46:15.360 --> 00:46:20.119 because I watched a podcast you're on, I read your articles that you write, 646 00:46:21.360 --> 00:46:23.360 you know, I follow you on on Twitter or exit whatever it's called 647 00:46:23.400 --> 00:46:31.639 today and you just think about, like, how privileged are we to impact 648 00:46:32.679 --> 00:46:37.880 our beloved profession, way beyond the walls of the FD and Y, Way 649 00:46:37.920 --> 00:46:43.079 beyond the geographic boundaries of the FD and Y, and way beyond the geographic 650 00:46:43.159 --> 00:46:47.159 boundaries of East Farmingdale fight upon it and I mean, just what you guys 651 00:46:47.199 --> 00:46:51.880 are doing, right, I mean, I got a photo the other day. 652 00:46:51.880 --> 00:46:57.119 I gotta post it. I gotta post it tomorrow from France and it's 653 00:46:57.159 --> 00:46:59.559 the firefighter. He's up on his ladder truck. He's at the top of 654 00:46:59.599 --> 00:47:06.480 it with the book. Nice. I mean, like, that's just freaking 655 00:47:07.800 --> 00:47:09.159 I don't know what do you say to that, right, it's mind boggling. 656 00:47:09.320 --> 00:47:14.840 It's like your reaches that far. Right, Yeah, so, And 657 00:47:14.960 --> 00:47:19.280 I think about the people that have been there and mentored me. Right, 658 00:47:19.320 --> 00:47:22.519 we're just we're just stewards of our generation, trying to trying to make us 659 00:47:22.559 --> 00:47:25.760 better than it was. We stand on so many giants that came before us, 660 00:47:27.280 --> 00:47:30.800 and we're just right mentoring the next generation, just like you guys did 661 00:47:30.880 --> 00:47:35.119 in your companies, right, you mented the next generation, and and they're 662 00:47:35.159 --> 00:47:37.159 doing good because guess what, you obviously did a good job, because your 663 00:47:37.199 --> 00:47:43.880 companies still go on every single run ye right. Yeah, it is mind 664 00:47:43.920 --> 00:47:46.719 boggling when you run it too somebody out of nowhere and they recognize and they 665 00:47:46.719 --> 00:47:50.440 say, I appreciate the shell man. I learned so much from the show. 666 00:47:51.000 --> 00:47:52.280 I was telling Louis I was at the bathroom a Yankee stadium at a 667 00:47:52.320 --> 00:47:54.280 baseball game, and a guy's looking at it him, like, what the 668 00:47:54.320 --> 00:47:58.599 hell is this? That one? Broyeah? And I go outside, dude, 669 00:47:58.639 --> 00:48:00.800 can I take a picture with you? It's it's mind boggling that that 670 00:48:00.920 --> 00:48:05.400 many people you're making an impact of some sort any whatever it is. I 671 00:48:05.519 --> 00:48:07.880 think the most the best, the best thing is like if I run into 672 00:48:08.519 --> 00:48:14.400 my proby's and now they're lieutenants or captains or chiefs, right and or you 673 00:48:14.480 --> 00:48:19.239 know, and they have their own companies and they're using stuff that I taught 674 00:48:19.280 --> 00:48:22.440 them, whether it was drills from Rescue Too that was at the show, 675 00:48:22.559 --> 00:48:24.880 right, that guy was your proby, wasn't he He's a little at Rescue 676 00:48:24.880 --> 00:48:29.960 too now oh downy well downy, Like just those guys who you know are 677 00:48:30.039 --> 00:48:32.719 doing all that stuff. That that, to me is the most rewarding is 678 00:48:32.800 --> 00:48:36.480 that you know they say, oh, look I used I used this that 679 00:48:36.599 --> 00:48:38.119 you used to teach me, or I use this or I do that that 680 00:48:38.199 --> 00:48:43.199 you used to use. So and and I totally agree with you, Louke, 681 00:48:43.199 --> 00:48:45.519 because I think about when I was at the Fire Academy and we had 682 00:48:45.559 --> 00:48:50.920 instructors that were there for a couple of classes, and you'd see the rigs 683 00:48:51.000 --> 00:48:54.400 come in for the morning or afternoon drill and they would stop the riggy, 684 00:48:54.480 --> 00:48:59.119 come over and hug their instructors that they remembered. And I remember when when 685 00:48:59.159 --> 00:49:02.239 I was assigned. One of my instructors in probi schools, Steve Humininski, 686 00:49:02.679 --> 00:49:06.840 was in twenty three engine and I loved when I saw that guy in the 687 00:49:06.880 --> 00:49:10.679 field because I know what he gave in Proby school because he cared. And 688 00:49:10.760 --> 00:49:15.639 here's the bottom line. You could accomplish anything when you care, When you 689 00:49:15.719 --> 00:49:20.079 surround yourself that were people that care, you could accomplish anything, right, 690 00:49:20.480 --> 00:49:22.880 and we see that. We see that all the all the time. It 691 00:49:22.920 --> 00:49:27.800 doesn't matter. So I think, LOUI you are, you are spot on. 692 00:49:29.199 --> 00:49:30.360 Hey, brothers from up north, they're in the chat. I see 693 00:49:30.400 --> 00:49:36.559 Bruno from the brothers up in Canada, a couple of a couple of Canadians. 694 00:49:36.599 --> 00:49:40.599 Aaron is the heynh. I think they finally put the fire out. 695 00:49:40.639 --> 00:49:44.480 Thank God, for God's sake. Yeah, it's good. I can finally 696 00:49:44.519 --> 00:49:51.679 breathe him. Holy Christ, good stop? List what are we up to 697 00:49:51.800 --> 00:49:55.559 chieve? Oh my goodness, So let's go to let's do the I didn't 698 00:49:55.559 --> 00:50:00.760 get the itinerary. Yes, and I think it's a pretty cool picture of 699 00:50:00.800 --> 00:50:07.239 our chief department. He's saluting. Yeah, I mean we know, why 700 00:50:07.320 --> 00:50:12.000 why should we stick today? Tenerary tonight? We never do go right, 701 00:50:12.119 --> 00:50:15.480 So there it is our chief department, right tenderness, salute and get one 702 00:50:15.559 --> 00:50:21.239 back. He was at So we were we were at the Emmitsburg, Maryland 703 00:50:21.320 --> 00:50:27.239 for the Fire Administrative Summit on five Prevention and Control our fire. Our current 704 00:50:27.280 --> 00:50:30.840 fire administrator was very dialed into a lot of the issues. He was speaking 705 00:50:30.880 --> 00:50:35.360 on lithiamon batteries. I was speaking about the five problem in residential structures, 706 00:50:35.400 --> 00:50:39.159 particularly when they don't have particularly multiple dwellings and buildings that don't have sprinklers, 707 00:50:39.199 --> 00:50:45.079 because the bottom line is is uh, no matter what we do. And 708 00:50:45.360 --> 00:50:50.639 yeah, there's Josh Raven from from our hour job, Steve Steve Pegram, 709 00:50:50.679 --> 00:50:54.199 the mustache Billy Goldfetter, and of course, uh you know some of the 710 00:50:54.360 --> 00:50:58.159 some of the mascots, you really hang out with a lot of stuffed animals, 711 00:50:58.239 --> 00:51:00.320 huh I do. Yeah, you know, they wouldn't let me get 712 00:51:00.360 --> 00:51:06.159 in. I should have I should addressed as one of those right, is 713 00:51:06.199 --> 00:51:08.480 that the billy who I spoke to on the phone, Is that Billy Goldfeeder? 714 00:51:09.400 --> 00:51:13.880 Yes, yes, yes, that's him. I had no idea he 715 00:51:13.960 --> 00:51:16.599 looked like that. Yeah, I think the guy we met him before, 716 00:51:16.679 --> 00:51:21.679 that guy. Yeah, he's the guy with the secret list. You've you've, 717 00:51:21.800 --> 00:51:24.519 you've you've been influenced by him in some way or another with something. 718 00:51:24.920 --> 00:51:30.480 Yeah, you've met him somewhere. Yeah, I'm positive. I'm positive that 719 00:51:30.599 --> 00:51:35.679 you that you have. But it was great that we had him up there. 720 00:51:36.880 --> 00:51:40.519 Our chief Department, representing the f d n Y and firefighters and so 721 00:51:40.599 --> 00:51:45.320 many different topics on from all over the fire service, and that kind of 722 00:51:45.360 --> 00:51:51.880 helps us get money from Congress and the President. The President virtually streamed into 723 00:51:51.920 --> 00:51:54.360 the event because he was supposed to attend live but it was unable to because 724 00:51:54.400 --> 00:52:00.639 of everything going on in the Middle East right now. But our representation and 725 00:52:00.760 --> 00:52:04.559 having the seat at the table at that level, Matt is greatly. The 726 00:52:04.840 --> 00:52:07.559 you know, the firefighters and empts and paramedics on the fire trucks don't necessarily 727 00:52:07.639 --> 00:52:13.119 see the value in that all the time, but rest assured our seat at 728 00:52:13.159 --> 00:52:16.320 the table, our involvement with all of these things, Matt is greatly And 729 00:52:16.840 --> 00:52:22.000 you know, when we need something, we're able to uh, we're able 730 00:52:22.039 --> 00:52:24.880 to get it a lot quicker than we would if we weren't didn't have that 731 00:52:24.960 --> 00:52:30.000 seat at the table. So kudos to the Chief Department for making a priority 732 00:52:30.079 --> 00:52:36.239 to go to that. And so he left late at night on the Tuesday 733 00:52:36.320 --> 00:52:42.400 night before Memorial Day. So we had a full day of Wednesday of different 734 00:52:42.480 --> 00:52:45.880 meetings there that I represented the apartment in state. He probably got home after 735 00:52:45.960 --> 00:52:52.760 midnight and then turned around and was at and presided over Memorial Day the following 736 00:52:52.840 --> 00:52:57.519 day. I mean, and like that's stuff that we you know, the 737 00:52:57.760 --> 00:53:00.639 firefighters need to know because he's still a firefighter, right, I mean, 738 00:53:00.079 --> 00:53:04.920 ultimately, uh, you should never be able to take the firefighter out of 739 00:53:05.039 --> 00:53:07.639 the out of the chief where they always remember where they come from. And 740 00:53:08.000 --> 00:53:14.239 we've said that before, certainly certainly on the show, and Chief Hodgens is 741 00:53:14.320 --> 00:53:19.719 certainly certainly fits that fits that bill as the chief esposito and so many other 742 00:53:20.320 --> 00:53:22.639 matter of fact, I believe we have Chief Hadgens on November ninth, he 743 00:53:22.719 --> 00:53:28.519 will be coming on the show and will be a great show. His dad's 744 00:53:28.519 --> 00:53:31.679 are retired, you know, retired from the job. So again he's another 745 00:53:31.760 --> 00:53:37.039 guy that he starts every day thinking what can we do to make the lives 746 00:53:37.119 --> 00:53:40.960 of our firefighters, paramedics and m T is better today. And and that's 747 00:53:42.280 --> 00:53:45.000 you know, does it happen every single day? Yeah? Probably not right, 748 00:53:45.480 --> 00:53:49.800 but but we're there, we're getting were trying and get out to the 749 00:53:49.840 --> 00:53:52.559 field when we can. We're thinking about, you know, the stuff that's 750 00:53:52.159 --> 00:53:57.280 you know, that's important. Tomorrow's the anniversary that uh, you know will 751 00:53:57.320 --> 00:54:02.039 be at the twenty third Street we'd laying tomorrow. That's that's happening tomorrow at 752 00:54:02.039 --> 00:54:07.840 eleven am. Uh So there's just so much. There's so many different activities 753 00:54:07.880 --> 00:54:10.280 that are going on every single day. Uh, in the FD and Y 754 00:54:10.440 --> 00:54:15.119 it's just it's just insane. I keep getting distracted. I read, try 755 00:54:15.159 --> 00:54:20.679 and read to keep read in. It's impossible. Yeah, it's impossible. 756 00:54:20.719 --> 00:54:24.920 That's how we got cologne. I know, I know the suit. Uh 757 00:54:27.519 --> 00:54:30.280 we did that. I pulled up my itinerary. What's what's up with the 758 00:54:30.360 --> 00:54:32.119 I m T with the shipboard firefighting brill, I want to know what's going 759 00:54:32.119 --> 00:54:37.519 on with that. So a couple of weeks ago, back to back days. 760 00:54:37.760 --> 00:54:40.559 So on the one day we went to the the incident management team was 761 00:54:40.639 --> 00:54:45.920 doing a full scale shipboard firefighting. So one day so they were at four 762 00:54:45.960 --> 00:54:52.360 Totten and Queens running the operations from there. So Chief Miz and myself we're 763 00:54:52.440 --> 00:54:54.840 both on the incident management team, even though they don't let us really deploy 764 00:54:54.960 --> 00:54:59.039 now because of our positions. Of course, Driver Joe's in the picture as 765 00:54:59.079 --> 00:55:02.440 well, and the folks that were working there that day, and then over 766 00:55:02.519 --> 00:55:07.639 in the Bronx at the Maritime College, we were there drilling on on shipboard 767 00:55:07.719 --> 00:55:13.480 firefighting and it was you know, they they simulated a fire in the ship 768 00:55:13.800 --> 00:55:15.760 and then they simulated it down. Firefighter. They've been working on planning his 769 00:55:15.880 --> 00:55:19.480 drill for the last three years. How did they simulate it? What did 770 00:55:19.480 --> 00:55:22.000 they do? They put They put a firefighter, you know, they put 771 00:55:22.079 --> 00:55:25.440 him down. They smoked out. Oh we had a ship, Yeah, 772 00:55:25.480 --> 00:55:29.480 ship a ship next toime. Yeah. And I should have sent you a 773 00:55:29.559 --> 00:55:31.400 picture of the ship because it's a huge ship. It's still there. Actually 774 00:55:31.440 --> 00:55:35.320 I passed it the other day when I was in the Bronx and I've shown 775 00:55:35.400 --> 00:55:37.760 somebody. I'm like, yeah, that's the ship that we used for the 776 00:55:37.840 --> 00:55:40.480 training, and it was a huge. It's a huge ship. The day 777 00:55:40.480 --> 00:55:44.920 I was there was they were training with the sock firefighters. The next day 778 00:55:45.000 --> 00:55:46.800 was all the land units. So each day was a different part of the 779 00:55:46.920 --> 00:55:50.519 job and then they try and bring it all together. It was it was 780 00:55:50.599 --> 00:55:57.559 hot hours, eighty five degrees and again just watching the dedication to preparation that 781 00:55:57.840 --> 00:56:01.679 the FDNY firefighter puts into the craft. It's you know, we say it 782 00:56:01.679 --> 00:56:06.440 all the time, but until you see it. And I'm blessed I see 783 00:56:06.480 --> 00:56:08.639 it all the time. But for the for the member that you know, 784 00:56:08.719 --> 00:56:13.840 for the brother or sister who's watching us that that has not seen the f 785 00:56:13.920 --> 00:56:16.880 d n Y in action. Even you know, when we're training, it's 786 00:56:16.960 --> 00:56:22.719 really you know, there's no wallflowers. Everybody is engaged and doing the drill 787 00:56:22.079 --> 00:56:27.239 and making sure that they are honing their craft. And again this is the 788 00:56:27.320 --> 00:56:30.000 sock firefighters that were there today. I was there, and I know the 789 00:56:30.079 --> 00:56:35.440 other days we were the same exact way from hearing the feedback, and again 790 00:56:35.480 --> 00:56:37.039 it was a it was a warm day. I'm sure that was no easy 791 00:56:37.320 --> 00:56:45.159 uh either that you don't remember going to that right? It sucked? Yeah, 792 00:56:45.320 --> 00:56:47.599 And so we don't do the marine firefighting drill as often, but you 793 00:56:47.719 --> 00:56:52.079 both probably remember going to the tunnel drills where we'd smoke out the tunnel. 794 00:56:52.159 --> 00:56:55.639 So that was the drill I went to the day before that, and that 795 00:56:55.880 --> 00:57:00.920 was in in Brooklyn at the one of the abandoned you had the hand cart 796 00:57:00.960 --> 00:57:02.519 and all that stuff. Yeah, and they put all they put all the 797 00:57:02.599 --> 00:57:07.880 cars in there. Oh but I was tired for that one. It's crazy. 798 00:57:08.119 --> 00:57:17.239 And the same thing rebreather and forget a breathing units. The Command Tactical 799 00:57:17.320 --> 00:57:22.239 Unit was there, the you know, they had the drones going, the 800 00:57:22.320 --> 00:57:25.280 canine dogs were there. Everything was, you know, everybody's drilling together. 801 00:57:27.440 --> 00:57:31.880 And afterwards I'm joking around with some of the sock chiefs and uh especially and 802 00:57:31.920 --> 00:57:35.760 then some of the guys that are running the drill and they're like, Everybody's 803 00:57:35.800 --> 00:57:37.840 like, yeah, thanks for having me here, but lose my number next 804 00:57:37.880 --> 00:57:40.280 time. I was just gonna say, you know, what's funny to say 805 00:57:40.320 --> 00:57:45.000 that cheap. The whole time you're talking about that, I did that logistically. 806 00:57:45.599 --> 00:57:47.960 I was on the other end of that setting that up, like to 807 00:57:49.119 --> 00:57:52.679 have the cars put in there, right, Louis Moro. So all the 808 00:57:52.760 --> 00:57:55.599 guys had to you know, it was so much work to get that set 809 00:57:55.719 --> 00:57:59.239 up, like for the guys to come down, you know, the guys 810 00:57:59.320 --> 00:58:01.440 come down and then if you're missing one thing, you know, it's just 811 00:58:01.559 --> 00:58:05.400 like ah, you know what I mean, Like it's so hard to make 812 00:58:05.480 --> 00:58:08.360 that thing, you know, without any problems to start, you know what 813 00:58:08.440 --> 00:58:13.159 I mean. It's so different. It's it's fourth and goal. There's two 814 00:58:13.239 --> 00:58:15.519 seconds left on a clock. Every chief shows up ready to go. Right. 815 00:58:15.599 --> 00:58:17.679 You know, you need all the radios charge, you need, all 816 00:58:17.719 --> 00:58:20.599 the air you need, all this, you need all that. You need 817 00:58:20.679 --> 00:58:22.519 everything. You know, drinks, you need water, you need this, 818 00:58:22.719 --> 00:58:24.440 you need that, all the batteries, the meat is have to be charged. 819 00:58:24.480 --> 00:58:28.599 You know, it's just logistically, it's crazy, man. But it's 820 00:58:28.679 --> 00:58:31.280 it's the attention to details. It's the attention to making sure that we are 821 00:58:31.320 --> 00:58:37.480 training that in that position, that we are ready, because that's that's what 822 00:58:37.840 --> 00:58:40.719 prepares you for fourth and goal. You're tired, it's the end of the 823 00:58:40.800 --> 00:58:43.960 day. But if you score a touchdown here, you finish it, you 824 00:58:44.039 --> 00:58:46.719 win the game. It is that extra mile that gets you prepared. That 825 00:58:46.920 --> 00:58:53.039 really is the difference between really winning and losing. It really is it's that 826 00:58:53.239 --> 00:58:58.519 extra dedication that we put in for those especially when we're talking about a ship, 827 00:58:58.719 --> 00:59:02.239 where we're talking about these tunnel drills and I've been there, I've been 828 00:59:02.280 --> 00:59:05.920 a player in that. I've been when I was in, when I worked 829 00:59:05.920 --> 00:59:08.239 towards in the rescue batie, I would do that. There's the picture from 830 00:59:08.280 --> 00:59:15.840 it. Yeah, exactly, yep. And you know the brothers and sisters 831 00:59:15.880 --> 00:59:20.760 were coming out, they were exhausted, and I said, I stayed until 832 00:59:20.840 --> 00:59:23.800 they were coming out because showing up and letting them know that as the cheap 833 00:59:23.800 --> 00:59:28.280 of safety, I give a shit, right and I care about them and 834 00:59:28.920 --> 00:59:32.960 how important them training and being ready, how much that means because I'm learning 835 00:59:34.119 --> 00:59:37.760 their capability. I already know their dedication, but I'm seeing what they're doing. 836 00:59:37.800 --> 00:59:40.639 The members that are running it are excited to tell me what they're doing. 837 00:59:42.039 --> 00:59:43.960 You know, what the what parts of the juel they are. The 838 00:59:44.079 --> 00:59:46.360 canine Unichs come out and they tell me what the dogs were doing. The 839 00:59:46.519 --> 00:59:51.679 drone. The drone operators want to show me the drone and it's about teaching 840 00:59:51.719 --> 00:59:54.119 me the capability and they're excited to do that. And I'm excited to learn 841 00:59:54.800 --> 00:59:59.920 and for them to show me because the technology is advancing, and I say 842 01:00:00.079 --> 01:00:06.199 it, hey, my job is the majority of my job, honestly, 843 01:00:06.440 --> 01:00:09.519 is just showing up. Just be there, be there and let your people 844 01:00:09.639 --> 01:00:15.199 know that you're with them, that you care and that you're watching that you 845 01:00:15.639 --> 01:00:20.079 see what their capabilities are. Git legit people get hurt too with these things. 846 01:00:20.320 --> 01:00:24.760 This is not like a little like people have like legit injuries at some 847 01:00:24.880 --> 01:00:29.280 of these uh, I've seen it. You know those rail cards, the 848 01:00:29.400 --> 01:00:32.320 rail cards, just to put that into operation right, the batteries, it's 849 01:00:32.360 --> 01:00:36.079 just an incredible I don't even remember how many took, like five back four 850 01:00:36.159 --> 01:00:39.840 batteries. It's like ridiculous, Like just nobody wakes up one day and it's 851 01:00:39.880 --> 01:00:45.239 good at what they do. It is your dedication to training, the teamwork 852 01:00:45.360 --> 01:00:50.679 that makes that is the secret ingredient. You know, if you don't have 853 01:00:50.760 --> 01:00:52.599 training, you don't have a heart. Is the hot and soul of every 854 01:00:52.719 --> 01:00:57.800 organization on the planet. A cashier doesn't know how to ring up the goods 855 01:00:57.840 --> 01:01:00.760 if if if they're not trained, if there's no education. Is so it 856 01:01:00.800 --> 01:01:04.440 doesn't matter what you're doing. M hm. That is it. You know, 857 01:01:04.559 --> 01:01:07.559 Show me a department that has no heart, they have no soul, 858 01:01:07.039 --> 01:01:10.440 they're finished, right, Show me the Department of trains and I'll show you 859 01:01:10.480 --> 01:01:15.800 a good department. It is it is so true and an our uh an, 860 01:01:15.880 --> 01:01:21.679 our folks certainly certainly get that. And I was seeing that in the 861 01:01:21.840 --> 01:01:25.480 in the in the drills, was was was really pretty cool. You know, 862 01:01:25.920 --> 01:01:29.960 Hey, so I see this is the first I think my I see 863 01:01:30.000 --> 01:01:35.199 my sister. My sister is in the chat. So I'm not telling you 864 01:01:35.280 --> 01:01:38.360 who I know better Chad Camp, Yeah I know better than who. Yeah, 865 01:01:38.920 --> 01:01:44.840 yeah, yeah, I'm gonna I'm gonna say something about Tranny. Who 866 01:01:44.960 --> 01:01:47.840 is this? Mike? Who is the crazy Chaptain brought his name? Who 867 01:01:47.960 --> 01:01:53.199 Gardener? Respect the drill, bro respect the drill, learn it, own 868 01:01:53.320 --> 01:01:58.199 it, teach it, respect the drill. I love that. Yeah, 869 01:01:58.280 --> 01:02:02.199 I mean dedicated to training. Man, Right, he's uh a few better 870 01:02:02.239 --> 01:02:07.880 than him, like he's just talk about He's not that intense, No not 871 01:02:09.320 --> 01:02:13.760 Yeah. Yeah. The guys, the guys from Rescue two were sending me. 872 01:02:15.320 --> 01:02:16.800 They were sending me like little snippets. They were putting stuff together, 873 01:02:16.920 --> 01:02:21.760 like I guess they have some guys. When he was going when he was 874 01:02:21.840 --> 01:02:27.840 fucking balking at the fire, Yeah, he's balking at the fire. He's 875 01:02:27.880 --> 01:02:34.119 so scary. When he started balking at the and and and what is really 876 01:02:34.199 --> 01:02:39.360 cool is when when I was in when I was at the Fire Academy, 877 01:02:39.440 --> 01:02:43.519 and when I was a Chief of Training, I was blessed that I had 878 01:02:44.159 --> 01:02:51.079 people like Tommy Gardner, by Timmy Klett, like Ray McCormick, like Mike 879 01:02:51.199 --> 01:02:57.880 Champo that I wanted to give back to the job and train. And you 880 01:02:57.960 --> 01:03:01.119 know, my my only regret with all of those people is that they retired 881 01:03:01.159 --> 01:03:06.559 too soon because there was so much more that I wanted to get from them 882 01:03:06.840 --> 01:03:09.599 and training, especially with our video production, that we could put it on 883 01:03:09.719 --> 01:03:14.199 and keep it, you know, and let that those legacies live on. 884 01:03:14.880 --> 01:03:17.239 And it was just you know, great, great stuff, you know, 885 01:03:19.199 --> 01:03:23.920 and I'm fortunate that we had We had so many of those people. That 886 01:03:24.119 --> 01:03:28.440 was the key even to our rewrite of the Engine bulletin, is so many 887 01:03:28.480 --> 01:03:32.480 people that wanted to give back to the job. While Ray McCormick was the 888 01:03:32.679 --> 01:03:36.760 you know, he took the lead on it was considered the lead author, 889 01:03:37.119 --> 01:03:40.800 you know, we had so many other great people involved in doing that, 890 01:03:40.920 --> 01:03:46.599 including including Timmy Klett among others. So the Wizard of water bro there's the 891 01:03:46.719 --> 01:03:52.400 sault of the brow of h two. Oh, that's it. Let me 892 01:03:52.480 --> 01:03:55.760 ask you a question, if you had one. If you wanted guys to 893 01:03:55.840 --> 01:04:00.239 walk away with one thing about this book, what would it be. Would 894 01:04:00.239 --> 01:04:02.360 you want them to walk away after they read this? Oh, man, 895 01:04:02.760 --> 01:04:06.360 love the job and it'll love you back. And the job is, it's 896 01:04:06.440 --> 01:04:14.119 people, it's going to fires, it's it's everything right, and it's respecting 897 01:04:14.239 --> 01:04:18.280 the job. You know, respect the drill as we heard tradition, Yeah, 898 01:04:18.400 --> 01:04:23.679 the tradition, metal day. I mean, it's just to get that. 899 01:04:24.000 --> 01:04:29.320 And you know, the bottom line is the book is about what's what's 900 01:04:29.400 --> 01:04:33.400 called our soft skills, right, it's that book. That book isn't going 901 01:04:33.440 --> 01:04:35.440 to teach you how to stretch your hose line. I could write a book 902 01:04:35.480 --> 01:04:39.400 that teaches how to stretch you hose line, but there's plenty of great books 903 01:04:39.400 --> 01:04:42.679 out there that already do that. This is those soft skills. So when 904 01:04:42.679 --> 01:04:46.719 you think about think about that leader that you know that tactically is great, 905 01:04:47.639 --> 01:04:50.920 but he doesn't know how to deal with his people. His people's skills suck, 906 01:04:51.440 --> 01:04:56.079 or people skill suck. They have no bedside manage. You think about 907 01:04:56.119 --> 01:04:59.719 those people that they would have it all together if they got that part. 908 01:05:00.480 --> 01:05:03.239 And that's what it is. And it's told through fire stories and I say, 909 01:05:03.519 --> 01:05:08.119 the book's not about me. It's about everybody that has impacted me, 910 01:05:08.440 --> 01:05:11.280 and not everybody that's impacted, right, there's so many more people, but 911 01:05:11.400 --> 01:05:15.000 it's some of the prominent people that have impacted me that had a powerful story 912 01:05:15.519 --> 01:05:18.480 to go with it. And I think, you know, uh, and 913 01:05:18.559 --> 01:05:21.519 I see Gabe. Gabe is in the in the chat. I talk about 914 01:05:21.559 --> 01:05:28.000 Gabe in the chat, in the chapter about about Hurricane Horvey. I met 915 01:05:28.079 --> 01:05:32.280 him. He joined the Fire Service after September eleventh, after he wanted to 916 01:05:32.360 --> 01:05:36.119 help out after that. And what happens is he's in the fire Service. 917 01:05:36.159 --> 01:05:42.320 He's working for the Forestry Division down in Texas. He's deployed to Houston, 918 01:05:42.800 --> 01:05:45.000 and the next thing you know, he's assigned to work with FDNY firefighters. 919 01:05:46.320 --> 01:05:49.239 Now he's a captain, he's training, he's doing all sorts of great stuff 920 01:05:49.559 --> 01:05:56.119 in his departments. I mean, it's just it's just great, you know. 921 01:05:57.159 --> 01:06:00.360 It's I wanted to ask you this as well. Even even though the 922 01:06:00.400 --> 01:06:03.599 book is geared primarily towards those in the fire Service, you know, there's 923 01:06:03.679 --> 01:06:08.400 lessons to be learned for those in other jobs and under other industries as well. 924 01:06:08.920 --> 01:06:13.280 So for those in civilian jobs elsewhere. What would you want them to 925 01:06:13.360 --> 01:06:17.760 take from this. Embrace whatever it is that you're doing. Embrace shit, 926 01:06:17.800 --> 01:06:23.559 profession, be the best that you can, stay learnable. It's really the 927 01:06:23.639 --> 01:06:28.760 same, it's really the same takeaways. It doesn't matter for the civilian. 928 01:06:28.800 --> 01:06:31.400 And that's what. So the book was geared that way because I had chapters 929 01:06:31.480 --> 01:06:34.880 that were very technical, that was going to teach you how to do something 930 01:06:35.320 --> 01:06:39.760 on the fire ground. And I was told, no, that's you know, 931 01:06:39.880 --> 01:06:43.079 because I said, that's that wasn't the intent of the book. The 932 01:06:43.199 --> 01:06:45.920 book what the intent wasn't to teach you how to force the door. It 933 01:06:46.079 --> 01:06:50.760 wasn't to teach you what to do with and escalator, fire or emergency. 934 01:06:51.159 --> 01:06:56.840 It was about those source skills. Because again, think about I know several 935 01:06:56.920 --> 01:06:58.920 of them that I could you know, I'm not going to name them, 936 01:06:58.960 --> 01:07:00.559 but I but you could write. Think of these guys that you're like, 937 01:07:00.639 --> 01:07:03.800 man, they were great. I would follow them anywhere in a fire but 938 01:07:03.960 --> 01:07:08.559 boy, you know, if you have working in the firehouse with him for 939 01:07:08.599 --> 01:07:12.239 a twenty four hour toy you want to you want to strangle, right, 940 01:07:13.920 --> 01:07:18.119 but they would go. They they love you, they care for you, 941 01:07:18.840 --> 01:07:24.000 but they just it's that missing. They're missing that soft skill I'm dealing with 942 01:07:24.079 --> 01:07:28.360 people, and I think that's that's important. And I was recently talking to 943 01:07:29.000 --> 01:07:33.360 Kurt Veron, who's a fire service attorney, and he said, eighty percent 944 01:07:33.440 --> 01:07:38.239 of litigation against fire services and again and he said, even against most companies 945 01:07:38.760 --> 01:07:43.800 is about those soft skills, because we're most of you think about our offices, 946 01:07:43.880 --> 01:07:46.079 right, we're brilliant at the basics, but do we get that connection, 947 01:07:46.400 --> 01:07:49.400 that human connection that puts it, that really puts it all together? 948 01:07:49.880 --> 01:07:54.440 And you think about the people that you most admire and respect in your career, 949 01:07:54.719 --> 01:07:58.599 and it doesn't matter what you do, firefighter, law enforcement, it 950 01:07:58.639 --> 01:08:00.360 doesn't matter. You could work for Apple computer, you can work in a 951 01:08:00.400 --> 01:08:04.000 gas station, it doesn't matter. And those people that connect with you on 952 01:08:04.079 --> 01:08:08.639 a human level are the ones that you really connect with. And I think 953 01:08:09.239 --> 01:08:14.280 a guy like Tom Richardson, right, who really is the complete package. 954 01:08:14.320 --> 01:08:15.800 When you look at that and you say, this guy gets it tactically, 955 01:08:16.239 --> 01:08:19.640 no one's ever question is going to question his tactics and strategies. And then 956 01:08:19.680 --> 01:08:24.079 when you think about it, how much he gets it that human side of 957 01:08:24.159 --> 01:08:27.279 it. Will you connect with a guy like that? And you will follow 958 01:08:27.359 --> 01:08:30.880 that guy anywhere. Yeah, and that's what this is more about. It 959 01:08:30.960 --> 01:08:34.840 was more about it was more about all of that type of stuff than anything. 960 01:08:35.520 --> 01:08:41.399 Let me ask you this, then, in today's society, with everybody's 961 01:08:41.479 --> 01:08:45.039 feelings getting hurt and the safe their need for safe spaces, I guess that 962 01:08:45.199 --> 01:08:49.199 skill a little, right, can't be the same way that they used to 963 01:08:49.359 --> 01:08:53.199 talk to you, you know twenty five twenty years ago. You know, 964 01:08:53.680 --> 01:08:59.199 those skills have to to change with the times now. Yeah, so I 965 01:08:59.279 --> 01:09:01.159 think, yes, they have to change. And here's what I'll say. 966 01:09:01.239 --> 01:09:04.600 Right, So, even the greatest generation, those that went to war for 967 01:09:04.720 --> 01:09:11.199 us, right, even those even those people had people that said they suck, 968 01:09:12.079 --> 01:09:16.000 right, So every generation things the worst. The last generation is turble 969 01:09:16.359 --> 01:09:19.359 right. So well, you know the next generation is terrible. And now 970 01:09:19.680 --> 01:09:24.680 here we are and we have these tech savvy, smart firefighters that want to 971 01:09:24.760 --> 01:09:28.640 know the why, and we need to make sure that we're meeting them there 972 01:09:28.720 --> 01:09:32.239 where we are and teaching them. And the fire Service is a microcosm to 973 01:09:32.319 --> 01:09:40.000 that, and we need to you know, yeah, things have changed twenty 974 01:09:40.039 --> 01:09:44.800 five In twenty twenty five years, we got to certainly there's things that are 975 01:09:44.840 --> 01:09:48.680 different. I think, mostly mostly for the better. But yeah, I 976 01:09:48.760 --> 01:09:55.680 think I don't treat my children the same, right, I mean, there's 977 01:09:55.720 --> 01:09:59.439 ways that you know you got to You gotta treat whoever it is that you're 978 01:09:59.479 --> 01:10:02.960 dealing with. But you know, the golden rule is always, you know, 979 01:10:03.079 --> 01:10:05.720 treat people the way you want to be treated. You can't go wrong 980 01:10:05.800 --> 01:10:11.680 with that as your baseline, I think. I mean we chiefly say it 981 01:10:11.720 --> 01:10:13.920 on the show a lot. I mean, I go back to the same 982 01:10:14.000 --> 01:10:16.920 thing, right, I My mother used to beat me with a wood spoon. 983 01:10:17.119 --> 01:10:20.239 Right, I don't beat my kids with a wood spoon. But at 984 01:10:20.279 --> 01:10:25.039 the same time, I do take a lot of stuff that she did and 985 01:10:25.159 --> 01:10:27.640 I use that with my kids. Right, it's the same thing as being 986 01:10:27.680 --> 01:10:30.399 a boss. I feel like everybody takes a little piece of everybody. Right. 987 01:10:30.479 --> 01:10:33.920 You cannot be fake, right will people will smell that out. So 988 01:10:34.520 --> 01:10:39.800 I can never be Tommy Richardson. I can never be or try and act 989 01:10:39.920 --> 01:10:42.279 like Cat Murphy or any of those guys. Right, I have to be 990 01:10:42.439 --> 01:10:45.960 me. But I could take parts of those guys and mold it into my 991 01:10:45.079 --> 01:10:48.760 personality and into how I lead and all that stuff. So it's the same 992 01:10:48.840 --> 01:10:54.520 thing it's just a question of you know, you just do your right. 993 01:10:55.279 --> 01:10:57.760 We don't need you to be them, We need you to be lou right, 994 01:10:57.920 --> 01:11:00.279 because it's all of your experiences, all the people that you've been around, 995 01:11:00.640 --> 01:11:03.279 that is all you know, that is what makes you right, that 996 01:11:03.800 --> 01:11:09.000 is what makes you uniquely you, and and people like to work with you, 997 01:11:09.119 --> 01:11:12.920 people like to follow you. You know, I saw that firsthand with 998 01:11:13.000 --> 01:11:16.279 you. So, yeah, you've got to be yourself, but hopefully, 999 01:11:16.760 --> 01:11:20.479 hopefully you it's a good version of yourself that's always trying to get better in 1000 01:11:20.560 --> 01:11:26.640 learning because we pull the pieces from the good people we've worked with before and 1001 01:11:27.159 --> 01:11:31.039 and not so much from the slugs. Right, No one says I want 1002 01:11:31.079 --> 01:11:35.560 to be like that guy who doesn't ever train. Yeah, I want to 1003 01:11:35.600 --> 01:11:42.920 model myself up to that. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, I 1004 01:11:43.000 --> 01:11:45.720 mean absolutely. And you know, I think it's I'm not sure if it's 1005 01:11:45.760 --> 01:11:50.279 Timmy Klatt or racially, that we're responsible those to those who trained us to 1006 01:11:50.359 --> 01:11:56.880 make sure their lessons continue to be learned. And you know that's so true, 1007 01:11:57.119 --> 01:12:03.279 right, we're the training linea right. So I was having a conversation 1008 01:12:03.439 --> 01:12:08.920 with Tom Richardson, and a lot of that conversation wound up in the book 1009 01:12:09.119 --> 01:12:13.319 about how you form a company, and he said that he wanted people that 1010 01:12:13.439 --> 01:12:15.520 had heart. That if you have heart, that you could train somebody to 1011 01:12:15.600 --> 01:12:23.159 do anything. And I know that that's something that I feel when I'm surrounding 1012 01:12:23.199 --> 01:12:26.520 myself with people, is that if you have someone who's motivated, we could 1013 01:12:26.560 --> 01:12:29.520 do anything. And then I asked him, I said, well, who's 1014 01:12:29.880 --> 01:12:36.439 who's your mentor? And you know what his answer was, Cleios, that 1015 01:12:36.479 --> 01:12:40.800 would have been that would have been a good one. But his his was 1016 01:12:40.880 --> 01:12:44.319 John Vigian. Oh, one of those two guys, right, And I 1017 01:12:44.359 --> 01:12:46.960 said, I get it, I get it. But Cleehouse. I've learned 1018 01:12:47.000 --> 01:12:50.560 so much from Cleehouse. I have been around Chief Cleehouse since I was a 1019 01:12:50.600 --> 01:12:55.159 lieutenant in three twenty four. He would come, he would come and a 1020 01:12:55.319 --> 01:12:59.000 DC and we would stay up all night and he'd be telling me stories and 1021 01:12:59.039 --> 01:13:01.079 I'd be like, if let's just get a cup of coffee because I'm exhausted, 1022 01:13:02.159 --> 01:13:04.640 you know, and I don't want to go to sleep. But you 1023 01:13:04.760 --> 01:13:10.640 wanted to learn because he was he was just spewing nuggets of information and you 1024 01:13:10.680 --> 01:13:14.640 didn't want to miss it. But you think, okay, so who was 1025 01:13:14.760 --> 01:13:19.720 Jack Leehouse's mentor John, right, So like when you look at it, 1026 01:13:19.760 --> 01:13:25.439 if we can put if we could make an ancestry map, right, would 1027 01:13:25.479 --> 01:13:29.159 be weaved. You would have twenty children that you mentored, and you would 1028 01:13:29.159 --> 01:13:31.840 have six or seven or twenty people that meant to you, right, and 1029 01:13:31.920 --> 01:13:36.319 there'd be twenty cousins off of that. And I was having this conversation recent 1030 01:13:36.439 --> 01:13:41.920 pretty cool. Yeah, So I was having this conversation with Ja. So 1031 01:13:42.119 --> 01:13:45.960 r J is with Capital Training, and I met his dad because he told 1032 01:13:46.000 --> 01:13:47.920 me, He's like, Hey, my dad's coming to mall. I want 1033 01:13:47.960 --> 01:13:50.720 you to meet him. His dad's his dad's on a job in edi Ya, 1034 01:13:51.000 --> 01:13:59.159 right, just just phenomenal human beings, right. And so I asked 1035 01:13:59.479 --> 01:14:01.279 r J, said, who's your mentor and he said, my dad, 1036 01:14:01.560 --> 01:14:03.520 and you're gonna meet. I want you to meet my dad tomorrow. So 1037 01:14:03.560 --> 01:14:08.479 I met his dad. So he Auja is the third His dad's a junior, 1038 01:14:08.960 --> 01:14:12.720 right. So then I'm asking like who else? So Al Benjamin is 1039 01:14:12.720 --> 01:14:15.479 another one of his mentors, not in his job, right, So it's 1040 01:14:15.560 --> 01:14:20.720 like okay, so his mentor is not an immediate family member, right, 1041 01:14:20.800 --> 01:14:25.880 So it's a it's a step dad, right, and or step cousin. 1042 01:14:26.000 --> 01:14:30.239 Right, So these these lines of of of your mentor and who you are 1043 01:14:30.279 --> 01:14:34.880 impacted from. I've been impacted from people outside my job. I never worked 1044 01:14:34.920 --> 01:14:39.439 with Vinnie Dunn. I never worked a tour with Vinni Dunn, but he's 1045 01:14:39.439 --> 01:14:46.000 certainly a mentor, right. And I think about Alan Brumessini from the Phoenix 1046 01:14:46.079 --> 01:14:50.079 Fire Department. I've watched enough of his training. I've learned enough from from 1047 01:14:50.119 --> 01:14:54.239 people like that. And then all the other people from inside and outside a 1048 01:14:54.359 --> 01:14:59.279 job, and you think, man, that's they're part of your training lineage. 1049 01:14:59.560 --> 01:15:01.760 Yeah, And if you like, how cool would it be if we 1050 01:15:01.840 --> 01:15:06.680 could trace back Tom Richardson, Tom Richardson to Vigiano? Who meant it? 1051 01:15:06.760 --> 01:15:12.199 Vigiano? How did Vigiano get so damn good? Right? I can tell 1052 01:15:12.199 --> 01:15:16.439 you it wasn't a slug, right, Yes, But you know what, 1053 01:15:17.359 --> 01:15:21.960 right, in some way he's your mentor because he meant it the Vich. 1054 01:15:23.159 --> 01:15:26.680 The Vich meant in Richardson, Richardson meanted you. So in some way, 1055 01:15:26.760 --> 01:15:32.239 it's that training lineage and and and that that that interweaven web and did branches 1056 01:15:32.359 --> 01:15:35.720 die or those areas when when you put a slug in it, that branch 1057 01:15:35.800 --> 01:15:40.800 is finished, done, cut it off, move along, right. But 1058 01:15:40.880 --> 01:15:44.720 if we could map this out, and if we could go back generations like 1059 01:15:44.760 --> 01:15:49.119 they do on ancestry, it would be fascinating to see where this goes back, 1060 01:15:50.039 --> 01:15:57.000 say one hundred years, those legendary folks, and that that we stand 1061 01:15:57.079 --> 01:15:59.800 on the shoulders of the shoulders of the shoulders of those that stood on them. 1062 01:16:00.159 --> 01:16:02.640 It's from right and mind, and I can assure you there is no 1063 01:16:02.800 --> 01:16:09.359 slug. And when an organization, when there's enough, when there's enough good 1064 01:16:09.439 --> 01:16:13.760 links, when your lineage is good, you wind up with a great organization. 1065 01:16:15.119 --> 01:16:18.640 When your lineage sucks and you start to have branches that aren't strong, 1066 01:16:19.560 --> 01:16:24.640 that's when you wind up with a culture that suffers. And it's not part 1067 01:16:24.680 --> 01:16:29.359 of your organizational DNA like it is. It is a part of the organizational 1068 01:16:29.479 --> 01:16:34.880 DNA of the FDN Y. But it's all about that lineage. And talking 1069 01:16:34.960 --> 01:16:41.840 to RJ and talking to uh, you know, his dad just freaking just 1070 01:16:41.960 --> 01:16:48.640 great. You know. So I think he means Gordon Graham. Maybe I 1071 01:16:48.680 --> 01:16:53.239 don't know, but Gordon Graham would be on my training, would be on 1072 01:16:53.319 --> 01:16:58.640 my training lineage and right another outside organization. Yeah, oh there we go 1073 01:16:58.720 --> 01:17:01.119 all right, Yeah, it look like Gordon Graham picture. Yes, very 1074 01:17:01.159 --> 01:17:04.319 good, Joe. Yes, So Gordon Graham when he does his presentations, 1075 01:17:04.479 --> 01:17:10.680 he's there's lines and stuff all over the place. But and that's the importance, 1076 01:17:10.720 --> 01:17:13.399 right, So that that training lineage and is a chapter in the book, 1077 01:17:13.439 --> 01:17:16.239 A little bit about that. I've certainly I've spoken about it more even 1078 01:17:16.279 --> 01:17:18.640 tonight. You just keep adding to it and you say, boy, if 1079 01:17:18.680 --> 01:17:25.640 we could see what that would look like. There's a right to take one 1080 01:17:26.199 --> 01:17:30.039 outstanding fireman and trace is meant to lineage old nobody. I don't know who 1081 01:17:30.079 --> 01:17:33.079 put it up there. Jake put it up there smoking. Joe Martin probably 1082 01:17:33.239 --> 01:17:36.079 started the whole thing. Yeah, maybe he was the grandfather of them all. 1083 01:17:36.159 --> 01:17:41.479 Bro. Yeah, so you think think about so think about how many 1084 01:17:41.560 --> 01:17:45.760 children you have. So if you're in training, right, so your proby 1085 01:17:45.840 --> 01:17:48.119 instructors, right, think about how many lines that they have, right, 1086 01:17:48.399 --> 01:17:53.720 they have hundreds of children. A class is three hundred and if you're impactful 1087 01:17:53.760 --> 01:17:57.159 on half of them, and you do three classes, that's a lot of 1088 01:17:57.239 --> 01:18:00.079 lines. Yeah, that's amazing impact that you can have. And it doesn't 1089 01:18:00.079 --> 01:18:04.960 matter what organization, the type. There's so much that you can that you 1090 01:18:05.000 --> 01:18:09.800 can learn from that. And that's just to say, hey, how important 1091 01:18:09.840 --> 01:18:14.319 this is because every single spoke, every single piece in that is important because 1092 01:18:14.319 --> 01:18:16.560 it's what we build off of to continue. That's why I tell guys we 1093 01:18:16.680 --> 01:18:19.520 try to get on the show, Like what am I going to talk about? 1094 01:18:19.560 --> 01:18:23.439 I'm like, listen, we need to get your knowledge out of you. 1095 01:18:24.319 --> 01:18:27.039 And quite frankly, I can't put any blunt to in this before you're 1096 01:18:27.079 --> 01:18:30.319 gone and your stories go with you. So we could pass them on to 1097 01:18:30.439 --> 01:18:32.399 the guys, the young guys who passed them on to the young guys who 1098 01:18:32.479 --> 01:18:36.000 passed them on to the young guys. And that's the way that you live 1099 01:18:36.079 --> 01:18:41.439 for eternity. You're you know, you're training and the things you talking about 1100 01:18:41.479 --> 01:18:47.479 yourself anyway you're talking about no exactly so and again that's you know, everybody 1101 01:18:47.560 --> 01:18:53.439 got something to offer an ad and everybody can impact throughout right and and create 1102 01:18:53.520 --> 01:18:57.840 that and create create that web. Right, it's uh, you know I 1103 01:18:57.920 --> 01:19:02.520 mean ray seely right, I mean raise a mentor of mind, never heard, 1104 01:19:02.800 --> 01:19:05.479 no doubt, no doubt about it. Raised a huge, a huge 1105 01:19:05.520 --> 01:19:11.319 impact on my career. You know, when he would sit there and abuse 1106 01:19:11.399 --> 01:19:15.319 the shit out of me in two seventy at the kitchen table, but then 1107 01:19:15.359 --> 01:19:17.920 ten minutes later he was out there teaching me something for the next you know, 1108 01:19:17.960 --> 01:19:20.760 for the next two hours, or on a run teaching me something. 1109 01:19:20.920 --> 01:19:24.920 I mean, you think about, you know, all of these folks that 1110 01:19:25.039 --> 01:19:28.920 impact you, and you don't always they don't always know it and you don't 1111 01:19:28.920 --> 01:19:31.880 always know it. But a guy like Ray Ray Ray's family tree is enormous. 1112 01:19:31.960 --> 01:19:38.920 I can tell you that certainty is enormous. Raise enormous. Yeah, 1113 01:19:41.159 --> 01:19:45.479 but it's uh, you know you think about that. It's just all the 1114 01:19:45.560 --> 01:19:49.000 ways that you can impact people. Senior firefighters in the firehouse impact so many 1115 01:19:49.039 --> 01:19:55.760 people. They just do right. And we need solid senior firefighters in the 1116 01:19:55.800 --> 01:20:00.680 firehouse. They you know, they're invaluable. Fire houses don't have them. 1117 01:20:00.960 --> 01:20:03.800 No, we don't want slugs. No, I don't want I need solid 1118 01:20:03.920 --> 01:20:08.479 senior firefighters, not solid guys or girls at a time. You know, 1119 01:20:09.000 --> 01:20:12.039 it's like fifty first states. Did they just repeat one year and they don't 1120 01:20:12.119 --> 01:20:16.560 They got nothing. Yeah, when a senior firefighter in a firehouse is a 1121 01:20:16.720 --> 01:20:23.479 slug, that becomes very problematic for that firehouse. Yes, that could change 1122 01:20:23.520 --> 01:20:29.159 a firehouse from it can from you. Sometimes the junior guys will gravitate towards 1123 01:20:29.199 --> 01:20:31.279 a guy. He may not be the senior guy in time, but he's 1124 01:20:31.319 --> 01:20:35.920 the senior guy who teaches them and who doesn't belittle them, and who is 1125 01:20:36.000 --> 01:20:40.399 the senior man by what he what he teaches, not by the amount of 1126 01:20:40.479 --> 01:20:44.359 time that he has, and they gravitate. Yeah, you're incredibly correct on 1127 01:20:44.439 --> 01:20:50.239 that and that and that was in especially being in in in Squad seventy. 1128 01:20:50.720 --> 01:20:57.039 The senior firefighters that Richardson brought there, they all had heart, they all 1129 01:20:57.159 --> 01:21:02.079 had knowledge, and they all had a thirst to be better and to and 1130 01:21:02.239 --> 01:21:10.840 to share all that information. And that was guys like Raycialy, the Dangerfield, 1131 01:21:11.239 --> 01:21:16.479 Tommy Bone. I mean just it was just an endless group of of 1132 01:21:17.159 --> 01:21:21.239 of people that just wanted to to share their knowledge with us. And it 1133 01:21:21.399 --> 01:21:26.000 was you know, Greg Haynes, I was gonna say Greg Haynes, I 1134 01:21:26.000 --> 01:21:29.640 couldn't remember his name, Greg Haynes. Greg Greg Haynes was a was a 1135 01:21:29.680 --> 01:21:32.000 firefighter that we pull up at a fully involved private dwelling and you think, 1136 01:21:32.000 --> 01:21:38.439 there's no you're not gonna find anybody at this and he's such a you know, 1137 01:21:38.880 --> 01:21:41.079 he did that a few times. I remember that when we were when 1138 01:21:41.159 --> 01:21:43.640 we first became the squad. He made a few grabs early on, he 1139 01:21:43.720 --> 01:21:45.159 got he went to Metal Day a few times. Actually, yeah, and 1140 01:21:45.359 --> 01:21:50.239 just a humble guy who just wanted to share information with you. Freddy Herman 1141 01:21:50.239 --> 01:21:55.319 would come over a little bit later on, same thing, wanted to share 1142 01:21:55.399 --> 01:21:59.359 his knowledge. You know, Donnie Schneider would keep you up till four in 1143 01:21:59.399 --> 01:22:02.520 the morning teaching another guy. You didn't you know, you just wanted to 1144 01:22:02.560 --> 01:22:05.479 sit there and learn, and they were willing to teach us. They knew, 1145 01:22:05.840 --> 01:22:09.359 you know, I had just over five years when I went to squad. 1146 01:22:09.399 --> 01:22:12.199 I was incredibly lucky that I was able to go to squad when I 1147 01:22:12.279 --> 01:22:15.279 did. And I what I later found out, it's because I had I 1148 01:22:15.359 --> 01:22:18.640 had heart. I knew how to use the tools, but I didn't have 1149 01:22:18.760 --> 01:22:21.479 that much experience, but I knew how to use the tools. I had 1150 01:22:21.520 --> 01:22:25.920 heart. I was into the game. I was into learning, and you 1151 01:22:26.000 --> 01:22:29.920 know, all of the junior and we had several of us that were around 1152 01:22:29.960 --> 01:22:33.199 the same time that just absolutely loved the job and wanted to learn and be 1153 01:22:33.319 --> 01:22:38.399 better. And he recognized that. Richardson recognized and he remembered you, right, 1154 01:22:38.520 --> 01:22:41.199 he worked at a company you with you, Yeah, because I didn't 1155 01:22:41.239 --> 01:22:44.880 know him. I mean today he's one of my best friends. You know, 1156 01:22:45.279 --> 01:22:49.920 him and his wife and my wife and myself. We hang out with 1157 01:22:50.000 --> 01:22:57.119 them often. They're great, they're great human beings. And but that wasn't 1158 01:22:57.159 --> 01:23:00.760 the case. I did not know him when he elected me to go to 1159 01:23:00.800 --> 01:23:03.359 squad. I did not know. But he remembered you, remembered me from 1160 01:23:03.439 --> 01:23:05.920 a couple of months that he worked in my company. So it's those little 1161 01:23:06.079 --> 01:23:10.399 those little touch points that you don't even know could pay off down the road. 1162 01:23:10.479 --> 01:23:13.760 You know, your heart and what you have to offer. Somebody might 1163 01:23:13.800 --> 01:23:15.840 see that. You might not even know that he remembers you, right, 1164 01:23:15.239 --> 01:23:19.000 But that's right, and that happens all the time, right, So that 1165 01:23:19.119 --> 01:23:24.439 little interaction and I remember him and that little interaction and he remembers me, 1166 01:23:24.800 --> 01:23:28.159 and and you never you never know, right, So just be you know, 1167 01:23:28.279 --> 01:23:31.359 be your be your true self. Hopefully it means that you're into the 1168 01:23:31.479 --> 01:23:34.760 job, right and you love the job, and like I said, love 1169 01:23:34.800 --> 01:23:38.520 the job it, I'll love you back. And that's everything about the job. 1170 01:23:38.800 --> 01:23:41.199 You will find your way if if you care about the job, and 1171 01:23:41.239 --> 01:23:44.640 you want to do work and you want to be better, You'll it cannot 1172 01:23:45.039 --> 01:23:48.800 stop you. You'll because of what you did exactly. You were in you 1173 01:23:48.880 --> 01:23:51.359 know, maybe a slower place when you got you know, and then you 1174 01:23:51.479 --> 01:23:56.359 found your way because you want it to be busier. And just because even 1175 01:23:56.399 --> 01:24:00.800 in a slower place you were, you were showing some signs that he remember, 1176 01:24:01.119 --> 01:24:03.600 right, So, yeah, it's going to show through, Like you 1177 01:24:03.640 --> 01:24:06.640 said, it's going to show through. And I worked with great firefighters in 1178 01:24:06.720 --> 01:24:10.439 my first place, right, Yeah, I'm not taking anything away from the 1179 01:24:11.520 --> 01:24:15.479 Those guys are great and and and they knew, they knew. They were 1180 01:24:15.520 --> 01:24:18.279 like, you gotta do you gotta go somewhere that does more right, and 1181 01:24:18.720 --> 01:24:21.600 and they were very happy for me. I'm still friends with all of those 1182 01:24:21.640 --> 01:24:26.399 guys, and it's it's great, but you got to find the house that 1183 01:24:26.720 --> 01:24:29.359 that you're most happy with. I was. I was happy because I like 1184 01:24:29.439 --> 01:24:31.520 those guys, and I think about some of the other guys that I met, 1185 01:24:31.720 --> 01:24:34.159 you know, the first I met John Mallano, who's now a firefighter 1186 01:24:34.199 --> 01:24:38.319 in two forty eight, Like you talk about a guy who loves the job, 1187 01:24:39.840 --> 01:24:43.760 he'd be another another good guy for the podcast that guy. He had 1188 01:24:43.880 --> 01:24:46.439 stencils all over his all over his car. He was at three twenty three 1189 01:24:46.840 --> 01:24:50.960 and then he had stencils, you know, like the stencil your tool two 1190 01:24:51.039 --> 01:24:56.000 forty eight all over his all over his uh, all over his car. 1191 01:24:56.439 --> 01:25:00.800 Yeah. That I really loves where it works. Yeah, but I mean, 1192 01:25:00.239 --> 01:25:03.000 but he loves He just freaking loves the job. Right. And you 1193 01:25:03.039 --> 01:25:06.960 think about a company that their response area is like the size of a postage 1194 01:25:06.960 --> 01:25:11.479 stamp, and they're always going to jobs, you know. I remember I 1195 01:25:11.560 --> 01:25:14.600 worked a tour there. One of my first tours is the battalion staff too. 1196 01:25:14.880 --> 01:25:17.199 And you know, early in the tour you could look down the block 1197 01:25:17.279 --> 01:25:19.960 and there was a fire. We didn't go. I'm like, this is 1198 01:25:20.039 --> 01:25:23.920 crazy. Next thing, you know, ten minutes later we're at a job. 1199 01:25:24.000 --> 01:25:28.439 It's out three windows in the front of the house and just you know, 1200 01:25:28.920 --> 01:25:30.600 uh yeah, timmy clet you're right, man. The job, the 1201 01:25:30.640 --> 01:25:34.439 possibilities are endless. It is what you where you put it in and you 1202 01:25:34.520 --> 01:25:38.399 get out of this job, you know, And that's any job, right 1203 01:25:38.439 --> 01:25:42.319 if you're into it, be engaged. You got to have a work life 1204 01:25:42.359 --> 01:25:45.840 balance. But you know, the firefighters nights out of important going to the 1205 01:25:46.199 --> 01:25:50.119 Christmas party, going to the kids' parties, all the bonding, all this, 1206 01:25:50.319 --> 01:25:57.119 all that that happens is so critical important to making sure that that we 1207 01:25:57.239 --> 01:26:01.720 are a cohesive and inclusive group in the firehouse. It's so important and it's 1208 01:26:01.800 --> 01:26:05.960 so lost sometimes on people. I said, well, you know, because 1209 01:26:06.000 --> 01:26:09.920 you got to have a work life balance. So sometimes that means having something 1210 01:26:09.920 --> 01:26:13.439 where the girls go too. In my first fire house, we went to 1211 01:26:13.520 --> 01:26:17.439 Baltimore to see the Mets play the Orioles. We went to Boston to see 1212 01:26:18.079 --> 01:26:24.279 the Mets play the Red Sox. I remember the oriole One because somebody backed 1213 01:26:24.279 --> 01:26:28.119 out. I had two tickets and I was selling them outside. Fun fact, 1214 01:26:28.600 --> 01:26:31.680 that's how I know that they have a jail in Baltimore because I wound 1215 01:26:31.760 --> 01:26:35.960 up in the in jail holding area. Yeah, trying to sell two tickets. 1216 01:26:36.359 --> 01:26:43.600 I'll set this guy that guy and they said you you're under I'm like, 1217 01:26:43.640 --> 01:26:46.520 you gotta be kidding me. I'm just trying to sell whoever's tickets for, 1218 01:26:46.760 --> 01:26:49.600 you know whatever, trying to get the money back for him so he 1219 01:26:49.680 --> 01:26:56.880 doesn't have to eat the money. But yeah, so on the outside, 1220 01:26:57.079 --> 01:27:01.640 on the inside looking out, huh leave, Yeah, that's not a good 1221 01:27:01.680 --> 01:27:05.199 place to be. Bro. Hey, you're talking to you guys in there 1222 01:27:05.239 --> 01:27:13.159 twice. Bro. We'll get into that another time. What else you got 1223 01:27:13.279 --> 01:27:17.960 on your list? Here? Told my list? Don't we have a couple 1224 01:27:18.000 --> 01:27:21.159 of books that you gave us? What were we doing with those books? 1225 01:27:24.399 --> 01:27:27.079 How are we doing that? What's the plane? I was thinking that. 1226 01:27:29.760 --> 01:27:31.159 I don't know how to do it. I was gonna say something like, 1227 01:27:32.279 --> 01:27:36.159 you get three people to subscribe, we'll throw your name in a raffle and 1228 01:27:36.199 --> 01:27:40.800 whoever I pull out wins. I think you're shrinking in that picture there. 1229 01:27:40.800 --> 01:27:44.199 I don't know what's going on over there. Who's that? Mate? Yeah? 1230 01:27:45.720 --> 01:27:49.640 Could be? So what were you saying? I'm sorry? Oh look 1231 01:27:49.680 --> 01:27:56.640 at you guys. That's us. If you want a free copy of Cheap 1232 01:27:56.760 --> 01:27:59.720 Leads Book, I was gonna have the guys. You got to get five 1233 01:27:59.720 --> 01:28:03.079 people to subscribe to the channel. Email me at Coop's podcast at gmail, 1234 01:28:03.159 --> 01:28:05.279 and I will put you in a raffle and pull it out and call your 1235 01:28:05.359 --> 01:28:09.960 name. I love it, and then when you win something, buy your 1236 01:28:10.000 --> 01:28:12.800 shirt. When he ships you that book, buy your shirt or something as 1237 01:28:12.800 --> 01:28:16.640 well. Are you making any sheckles with this? What are you doing? 1238 01:28:16.920 --> 01:28:20.840 I think he's donating it. Yeah, I'm thinking, uh yeah, eventually, 1239 01:28:21.119 --> 01:28:25.880 eventually it'll it'll it'll make some money. I've been given away some books 1240 01:28:25.880 --> 01:28:28.000 too, so you know, yeah, yeah, I got you. I 1241 01:28:28.119 --> 01:28:30.960 know how it works. Yeah, I know you do. So it's uh, 1242 01:28:30.439 --> 01:28:32.960 you know, it's good stuff. Yeah. Hey, you know, 1243 01:28:33.119 --> 01:28:39.159 we didn't touch on just just the importance of when you go to these these 1244 01:28:39.239 --> 01:28:44.680 shows and you network with other people, right, I think, and how 1245 01:28:44.760 --> 01:28:46.439 you meet people I got, you know, like the Tank, right I 1246 01:28:46.560 --> 01:28:53.840 met I met Tank at at a conference down in Pensacola, a county fire 1247 01:28:53.960 --> 01:28:58.319 tactics conference, and you think about like the different ways you meet people, 1248 01:28:58.640 --> 01:29:00.880 and the next thing, you know, I know my and the next thing, 1249 01:29:00.920 --> 01:29:03.680 you know, Tank's not that motivated. He don't really like the fire 1250 01:29:03.720 --> 01:29:08.880 service. I don't think, no, But you know what like his motivation, 1251 01:29:09.319 --> 01:29:15.600 like he is so dialed in, like like you gotta love that. 1252 01:29:15.760 --> 01:29:20.960 Right. And here he's from you know, an he's like from from a 1253 01:29:21.000 --> 01:29:27.199 small department and somebody pressed the button that wasn't me. It wasn't like you're 1254 01:29:27.199 --> 01:29:29.880 making it. You're making a difference. I mean even you know, and 1255 01:29:30.279 --> 01:29:34.199 you know Gonzo down and down to Florida and and honestly like having both those 1256 01:29:34.279 --> 01:29:38.359 guys. You know, the viewers don't know, right, they didn't see 1257 01:29:38.399 --> 01:29:43.399 them, but Gonzo and Tank were both in in the pre in the pre 1258 01:29:43.560 --> 01:29:46.079 show, and that's I mean you think about that, right, the the 1259 01:29:46.199 --> 01:29:53.800 global reach of of bringing everybody together in the in the networking. Uh you 1260 01:29:53.880 --> 01:29:58.079 know, so I thought, I said, Tennis, I know it's Tennessee, 1261 01:29:58.520 --> 01:30:01.239 Tennessee. I just like to say, punts Tucky because he's okay. 1262 01:30:01.319 --> 01:30:04.840 Stranger. Question is why Gonzo's in the back room with no shirt on? 1263 01:30:06.279 --> 01:30:10.399 What's going on there? He's got no shirt on. I don't bring him 1264 01:30:10.399 --> 01:30:14.279 in. I'm gonna say bring him but he's got no shirt on. Don't 1265 01:30:14.279 --> 01:30:15.920 bring him in. He just ran to go put a shirt. And you 1266 01:30:15.960 --> 01:30:20.439 want me to you want me to to bring Tanking? Bring Tank in for 1267 01:30:20.520 --> 01:30:25.880 a second. If he's if he's there, bring him in here? Look 1268 01:30:25.920 --> 01:30:33.560 at him? What do you this is your first time? What is this 1269 01:30:33.640 --> 01:30:39.880 your first fucking rodeo? Now there you go. I covered the goods just 1270 01:30:39.920 --> 01:30:44.960 in case I want to try to get has his shirt on? Now? 1271 01:30:45.000 --> 01:30:47.680 So you want me to bring him into? Yeah, it's a whole family 1272 01:30:48.000 --> 01:30:50.399 there. He is what do you think I want to look at that while 1273 01:30:50.439 --> 01:30:57.199 you you're distracting me Brown that I realized you didn't have one. Oh, 1274 01:30:57.800 --> 01:31:00.439 that's good, just like that, the showing off the rails. We look 1275 01:31:00.479 --> 01:31:13.359 at the Brady bunch there, the salty bunches. Marsha Marshall, Marsha my 1276 01:31:13.560 --> 01:31:18.600 notes. Can we Amazon? It's on Amazon? Yeah, that's that's the 1277 01:31:18.680 --> 01:31:23.399 best place to get it right now. Eventually to be other others places. 1278 01:31:23.960 --> 01:31:28.439 And if you see me speaking just about anywhere I seem to have I bring 1279 01:31:28.680 --> 01:31:31.439 I bring a couple of books wherever I go and sell them there as well. 1280 01:31:31.560 --> 01:31:36.159 But yeah, it's the Joey de signing. You bring that book with 1281 01:31:36.239 --> 01:31:40.159 you too. Yeah, I'll be there. I'll be signed November four. 1282 01:31:41.600 --> 01:31:45.359 I'll be down in West Palm Beach in the end of November. Yeah. 1283 01:31:45.520 --> 01:31:49.840 That's gonna suck. Yeah, yeah, but it's all good man, it's 1284 01:31:49.880 --> 01:31:54.359 good stuff. And uh. And it's about networking, right and meeting and 1285 01:31:54.479 --> 01:31:58.279 meeting new people that love the job the way we love the job. You 1286 01:31:58.359 --> 01:32:00.960 know, Mike pictures. Did we not get to tonight? Is there anything 1287 01:32:03.720 --> 01:32:08.079 no shirt on? No? I can guarantee you I don't have a picture 1288 01:32:08.079 --> 01:32:12.039 of there's there's a number of one. There's a number of them that we 1289 01:32:12.079 --> 01:32:13.880 didn't get. We got to most of them, but there's a handful, 1290 01:32:14.039 --> 01:32:18.680 namely you guys right outside Saints Patrick's. Oh so that's uh so there's a 1291 01:32:18.840 --> 01:32:24.079 respond to Gudian Mask. They call it that. A bunch of us went 1292 01:32:24.159 --> 01:32:27.239 to a couple of weeks ago. So, uh, you know, you 1293 01:32:27.319 --> 01:32:29.880 can never get too many prayers, and that's what was going on there. 1294 01:32:30.279 --> 01:32:32.039 I see Joe Colson, the third Division commander in the picture, and I 1295 01:32:32.319 --> 01:32:40.960 love Yeah. Yeah, Hodgen's right in the middle there. Man. Oh 1296 01:32:41.039 --> 01:32:45.159 yeah, Oh he's enormous. Yeah. He may not be writing a book, 1297 01:32:45.239 --> 01:32:46.920 but that guy finds time to work out. Yeah, you know, 1298 01:32:48.520 --> 01:32:53.720 eventually you might have you know, I have that picture because I think eventually 1299 01:32:53.800 --> 01:32:57.119 you'll have a lot of those people on the on the show. I just 1300 01:32:57.239 --> 01:33:00.640 have a feeling that you'll just continue to to go down that road. Keep 1301 01:33:00.680 --> 01:33:04.279 his shirt on, we'll get him. Yeah, if he takes his shirt 1302 01:33:04.319 --> 01:33:10.560 off again, just kick him out. Hue with a firecracker too. I 1303 01:33:10.600 --> 01:33:14.720 don't know what he was telling. Here's your chief with Moses and Kurt. 1304 01:33:14.760 --> 01:33:17.359 Another picture we had. Oh yeah, so Kurt Isaacson and Uh and Moses 1305 01:33:17.479 --> 01:33:23.159 Jeffries. Uh Scambia County is where Kurt is from and Moses Jeffries from Nashville. 1306 01:33:24.199 --> 01:33:27.359 Two other good people that would be good for the show. Moses is 1307 01:33:27.399 --> 01:33:30.399 gonna be he's gonna he's gonna be cheap in Nashville one day, So maybe 1308 01:33:30.439 --> 01:33:35.199 having him on the show isn't good. But are these guys retired. They're 1309 01:33:35.239 --> 01:33:39.800 not. They're both active in their jobs and both love the job like we 1310 01:33:39.920 --> 01:33:44.239 love the job. That was in that was at Firehouse Expo. That picture 1311 01:33:44.640 --> 01:33:47.159 you get around, don't you, fellow, just like you guys, you 1312 01:33:47.239 --> 01:33:50.920 know, trying to keep you guys. I see and I say, all 1313 01:33:51.000 --> 01:33:54.840 right, I gotta get there. Oh there's my my friend Joey and his 1314 01:33:54.960 --> 01:33:59.239 son Braso. Joey is in the book. He made a nice grab in 1315 01:33:59.279 --> 01:34:03.640 one seventeen truck last year. And you know, so when I dropped off 1316 01:34:03.680 --> 01:34:06.640 the book, his son couldn't believe it. His son wanted to you know, 1317 01:34:08.520 --> 01:34:12.199 there's a picture of Joe in the book from Queen's Medal Day this past 1318 01:34:12.279 --> 01:34:14.720 metal day. There was a lot of people that I knew that were getting 1319 01:34:14.760 --> 01:34:17.760 medals. So I had to go from Queen's Medal Day and then off to 1320 01:34:17.800 --> 01:34:23.119 the Bronx Medal Day. Just celebrate your people. Celebrate with your people. 1321 01:34:23.159 --> 01:34:28.760 It's important and that's what that picture is to other people. Jim Yearsley so 1322 01:34:29.039 --> 01:34:31.239 one of the last tips from one of the last of the takeaways in the 1323 01:34:31.319 --> 01:34:35.319 book that there's one hundred and twenty seven takeaways in the book. Takeaway number 1324 01:34:35.359 --> 01:34:40.479 one twenty six and one twenty seven are dedicated to Mark Farrand and Jim Yearsley. 1325 01:34:40.520 --> 01:34:45.680 That's why you have those two bonus ones. And Jim Yearsley is just 1326 01:34:45.760 --> 01:34:48.079 one of those guys. I remember. Jimmy Jacobs in the four nine Battalion 1327 01:34:48.119 --> 01:34:54.159 once told me if I had twenty Jim Yearsley's we would be doing great. 1328 01:34:56.279 --> 01:35:00.319 And he's right. And Jimmy just retired. He's just a great human, 1329 01:35:00.760 --> 01:35:04.920 fantastic fire officer. Retired as the senior Lieutenant UH and he retired at a 1330 01:35:04.960 --> 01:35:11.239 one seventeen truck. The other guy was Dwayne Welliver who retired from m y 1331 01:35:11.319 --> 01:35:15.520 p D. He's also a former chief of He's farmandale. This pictures mister 1332 01:35:15.600 --> 01:35:20.279 and missus met. We had Steve Cohen as the honoree for the Foundation dinner 1333 01:35:20.319 --> 01:35:24.800 this year, and I got a picture with Steve Cohen as well, but 1334 01:35:25.119 --> 01:35:28.319 the picture of mister and misters met Is is so much better at the Fire 1335 01:35:28.359 --> 01:35:33.880 Academy. But the cool thing is start talking to Steve at the Foundation dinner. 1336 01:35:34.239 --> 01:35:38.680 He's just a regular fan that happens to have a lot of money to 1337 01:35:38.760 --> 01:35:45.039 be able to own the Mets. And the FDNY Foundation does great stuff for 1338 01:35:45.279 --> 01:35:50.159 the fdn Y. They're huge supporters of us. And just to to talk 1339 01:35:50.199 --> 01:35:54.279 about their dinner that they that they have, I see a lot of good 1340 01:35:54.319 --> 01:35:58.920 people at that dinner every year, and just thank you to gin O'Shea and 1341 01:36:00.760 --> 01:36:05.520 Susan Whipper and Steve Russo on the board that the work that they do for 1342 01:36:05.680 --> 01:36:10.920 every day for New York City. They donate millions of dollars to the fdn 1343 01:36:11.039 --> 01:36:15.960 Y that they do during fundraising, So that's great. They can't be safe. 1344 01:36:15.960 --> 01:36:17.000 Bro, he's got a run, I think he said, And we 1345 01:36:17.079 --> 01:36:19.960 got a couple more two that we hadn't gotten to And this is with some 1346 01:36:20.119 --> 01:36:26.279 guy Nam chucked down perhaps Oh my god, So yeah, there he is. 1347 01:36:26.600 --> 01:36:30.800 Oh man. So I worked with him for way too short of a 1348 01:36:30.880 --> 01:36:34.119 time at the Fire Academy. I talked him into the coming when they made 1349 01:36:34.159 --> 01:36:36.560 me achieve a training, I talked him into coming to the Fire Academy. 1350 01:36:38.439 --> 01:36:42.319 And he's as he's simply as good as they get, another great human, 1351 01:36:43.159 --> 01:36:48.359 knowledgeable. We would spend hours together talking strategies and tactics and and which battalion 1352 01:36:48.439 --> 01:36:51.319 is better the four six or a five zero, which everybody knows the four 1353 01:36:51.359 --> 01:36:56.800 to six with a five zero is a close second. H And he can't 1354 01:36:56.840 --> 01:37:00.720 defend himself tonight, So he's he's good. Yeah, But you know, 1355 01:37:00.920 --> 01:37:03.960 I love Chuck, loved Joe Downey as well as brother, and was fortunate 1356 01:37:04.039 --> 01:37:09.680 to work in special operations under their dad, although I didn't really know his 1357 01:37:09.800 --> 01:37:13.359 dad because I was petrified of his dad. Right, we came into the 1358 01:37:13.399 --> 01:37:15.399 squads, we didn't talk to we didn't talk, we didn't even make eye 1359 01:37:15.439 --> 01:37:20.359 contact. No, that's right. Yeah, so yes, that's good stuff. 1360 01:37:20.840 --> 01:37:27.399 Here's the last one, Oh Johnny at the Fire Academy, talk about 1361 01:37:27.439 --> 01:37:34.279 Johnny and celebrating your champions and just another amazing individual. And he didn't know 1362 01:37:34.359 --> 01:37:36.079 he was in the book, and I showed him a picture of him in 1363 01:37:36.119 --> 01:37:41.279 the book. He's not a firefighter, but loves firefighters and and just the 1364 01:37:41.760 --> 01:37:50.279 training and everything. Where's the four six file of smoke brother Mike? One 1365 01:37:50.399 --> 01:37:54.840 last picture? Do you have one of my youngest? Oh? Yes, 1366 01:37:54.920 --> 01:37:59.199 I love this one? Yeah? Right here? I met her at the 1367 01:37:59.479 --> 01:38:05.720 Long Island Show, my youngest supporter right here. That is what it is 1368 01:38:05.840 --> 01:38:10.760 all about. Right. So, A couple of times I've tried to read 1369 01:38:10.840 --> 01:38:13.159 the book to her, especially when it was in draft form, and my 1370 01:38:13.640 --> 01:38:16.920 wife would be like, what are you doing? So so she has her 1371 01:38:16.960 --> 01:38:23.079 own copy and it won't be too long before that will be bedtime reading for 1372 01:38:23.119 --> 01:38:26.640 her when she comes over to visiting Grandpa. So I love that. What 1373 01:38:26.720 --> 01:38:29.800 does she call you? Grandpa? Pop up on Grandpa? I don't care 1374 01:38:29.840 --> 01:38:31.119 what she calls me. As long as she's calling me, I don't care. 1375 01:38:31.720 --> 01:38:34.520 She's probably got some good. You could probably still sniffer up pretty good, 1376 01:38:34.560 --> 01:38:39.600 right, you could still sniffer she smells the lish it's good. I'll 1377 01:38:39.600 --> 01:38:43.840 tell you what. You're on a barbecue, it's good. Eat her up, 1378 01:38:43.960 --> 01:38:45.319 eat her up, good stuff, good stuff. Hey, we're on 1379 01:38:45.439 --> 01:38:50.439 the two hours. This is good. Wow? Anything else you want to 1380 01:38:50.479 --> 01:38:56.439 throw in it before we call it a night? No, I think I 1381 01:38:56.520 --> 01:38:59.039 think we hit glad to doing good with this thing. I'm glad you're doing 1382 01:38:59.079 --> 01:39:01.000 good with this book. It seems like, uh, we saw a lot 1383 01:39:01.039 --> 01:39:03.520 of guys at the show. Everybody was coming by. Say they stopped by 1384 01:39:03.600 --> 01:39:06.359 over there they were buying Yeah, and others. But yeah, the other 1385 01:39:06.399 --> 01:39:09.800 said they came straight from your booth, and then Nick, Yeah. So 1386 01:39:09.920 --> 01:39:14.000 it's it's a good stuff. I can't wait to hear who who wins? 1387 01:39:14.600 --> 01:39:16.640 Yes, So I'll say it again. If you want a free copy, 1388 01:39:17.439 --> 01:39:23.199 get five people to subscribe to the YouTube channel and email me. Don't give 1389 01:39:23.239 --> 01:39:27.680 me no bullshit, email me at Coops Podcast at gmail dot com. I 1390 01:39:27.720 --> 01:39:30.399 will put it and will pull a name out and will ship you free shipping 1391 01:39:30.479 --> 01:39:40.880 to one of Chief Leaves books, Stars of Leadership, Beautiful And that's it. 1392 01:39:41.199 --> 01:39:43.159 I'm gonna say something else. I forgot what it was. That's what 1393 01:39:43.239 --> 01:39:45.239 it means. We'll see on the next show. Is that what you were 1394 01:39:45.239 --> 01:39:48.720 gonna see? I we'll see you tomorrow at the next show. Who's starring? 1395 01:39:49.079 --> 01:39:57.680 You know? It's a Frank Cleave and Joe Whiz show. Christ I 1396 01:39:57.800 --> 01:40:00.800 love it? You got anything rougher? Uh? Who do we got coming 1397 01:40:00.880 --> 01:40:03.960 up? We've got stan rye back coming up in a couple of weeks yet 1398 01:40:06.319 --> 01:40:10.319 Thursday, we don't have anybody for Thursday. We got miss Linsky coming up. 1399 01:40:10.960 --> 01:40:13.800 I got we'll come up with an idea. We got some I got 1400 01:40:13.880 --> 01:40:15.840 some people still waiting, but probably won't be able to get somebody for this 1401 01:40:15.960 --> 01:40:19.560 week. It's just going to be tight. Probably you never know. We'll 1402 01:40:19.600 --> 01:40:24.880 get somebody. On Monday, the twenty third. We have the girls of 1403 01:40:24.960 --> 01:40:29.840 the Firefighter Caount and the Kendall and the Girls of Metro Fire Thanks coming on. 1404 01:40:30.880 --> 01:40:34.279 So we'll have to make sure that Mike contains himself. You know what 1405 01:40:34.319 --> 01:40:38.600 I mean. I'm a gentleman. I'm gonna raise a gentleman. All right, 1406 01:40:39.000 --> 01:40:42.479 I'm gonna raise it. Gentlemen. Chief, good luck with the book. 1407 01:40:42.720 --> 01:40:46.199 We we'll spread the word, and uh, I'm sure you're going to 1408 01:40:46.239 --> 01:40:48.680 be doing luck with everything. He's got his hand and he got a little 1409 01:40:48.680 --> 01:40:54.760 hand on his hand. Thank you, brothers. I appreciate you guys, 1410 01:40:54.840 --> 01:41:00.720 appreciate you having me on. And I appreciate the uh, all the comments, 1411 01:41:00.760 --> 01:41:03.760 all the people that that is still on that still want to hear something 1412 01:41:03.840 --> 01:41:08.319 from me. That's pretty uh. Maybe it's just want to be you know. 1413 01:41:08.680 --> 01:41:12.359 I put him to sleep. Whatever it is, put the headphones on 1414 01:41:12.439 --> 01:41:18.199 and take a nap, right, But I appreciate it. I never I 1415 01:41:18.319 --> 01:41:23.239 never take that stuff for granted. And uh yeah, just just appreciate the 1416 01:41:23.279 --> 01:41:26.000 opportunity to come on tonight. You guys are the best. Keep doing what 1417 01:41:26.079 --> 01:41:29.960 you're doing. Kids. Yeah it looks good too. He still looks good. 1418 01:41:30.000 --> 01:41:33.239 He's got the half. Yeah, I believe it. All right, 1419 01:41:33.880 --> 01:41:38.439 take this out, mikey. All right, Well, before anything, I 1420 01:41:38.520 --> 01:41:40.600 just want to get a quick shout out, as always told my peeps at 1421 01:41:40.600 --> 01:41:43.159 the West Haven Fire Department, much love to your great working with you. 1422 01:41:43.600 --> 01:41:45.920 Uh, Like I said, you can get chiefs as the guy said, 1423 01:41:45.920 --> 01:41:47.000 I should say, rather, you can get the Chief's book on Amazon. 1424 01:41:47.119 --> 01:41:49.920 It's well worth to read. Get your hands on a copy as soon as 1425 01:41:49.960 --> 01:41:55.399 he can. In the meantime on behalf of Louis Rofrano, Kevin Coopler and 1426 01:41:56.039 --> 01:42:00.600 current assistant chief frankly by Mike Gloane, and we will see you next time. 1427 01:42:00.800 --> 01:42:00.680 Take care everyone, goodnight,