1 00:00:17,440 --> 00:00:20,160 Hello, everyone, Welcome back to a new episode. If you were wrong 2 00:00:20,199 --> 00:00:23,760 with Molly Hemingway and David Harsani. If you'd like to reach the show, 3 00:00:23,839 --> 00:00:27,079 please do so at radio at the Federalist dot com. We'd love to hear 4 00:00:27,199 --> 00:00:32,840 from you. Hey, Molly, another week, another bunch of a batch 5 00:00:33,079 --> 00:00:39,679 of indictments against Donald Trump. This time yeah, in Georgia. This Georgia 6 00:00:39,719 --> 00:00:43,759 one was one that we've been anticipating for many, many months, and it 7 00:00:43,840 --> 00:00:50,159 finally came through. It was clearly quite delayed, but it finally came through. 8 00:00:50,200 --> 00:00:53,719 So everyone can look through it, and it is like the others, 9 00:00:54,240 --> 00:00:57,759 complete bad guano insanity. But what do you what do you think of it? 10 00:00:57,880 --> 00:01:03,840 David? I have, like I always have these conflicting thoughts when I 11 00:01:03,840 --> 00:01:07,079 read through these indictments. It's like, I'm like, why is Donald Trump 12 00:01:07,239 --> 00:01:11,319 the way he is? Then I'm like, this is not something that should 13 00:01:11,319 --> 00:01:15,159 be in the criminal realm, and this is something that should be in the 14 00:01:15,159 --> 00:01:19,200 political realm. And if if I was a voter who read through this, 15 00:01:19,280 --> 00:01:23,560 I would say Donald Trump doesn't belong to, you know, in the presidency. 16 00:01:23,000 --> 00:01:26,920 But when I see that, when I see that, let me just 17 00:01:26,599 --> 00:01:30,040 what you're like? What Actually, I'm kind of surprised that you're taking this 18 00:01:30,200 --> 00:01:34,400 entire approach here, because are you saying that you don't think people who can 19 00:01:34,400 --> 00:01:38,920 test elections should be or what was the particular problem with this contestation? I 20 00:01:38,959 --> 00:01:42,560 think that then that's my second point there is that I think that your should 21 00:01:42,560 --> 00:01:45,760 be allowed to contest elections, even in the way Donald Trump has, and 22 00:01:45,840 --> 00:01:49,840 that that should not be a criminal offense. But when you make it a 23 00:01:49,879 --> 00:01:53,840 criminal offense, that there's a reaction to that by a lot of people who 24 00:01:53,879 --> 00:01:57,400 say, hey, listen, I'm going to rally around this guy because you're 25 00:01:57,439 --> 00:02:00,879 just coming after him for political reasons. The big picture situation with Georgia, 26 00:02:01,120 --> 00:02:06,079 if we can just take a big step back at let's look at the neighboring 27 00:02:06,159 --> 00:02:14,080 state of Florida. Florida goes one point Republican in twenty sixteen, and four 28 00:02:14,159 --> 00:02:20,759 years later it goes three plus points republican. Georgia, right across the border, 29 00:02:21,080 --> 00:02:27,759 somewhat similar demographics, goes from five points Republican twenty sixteen to one point 30 00:02:27,879 --> 00:02:30,639 Democrat in twenty twenty, and it's like, huh, what happened there? 31 00:02:31,039 --> 00:02:36,919 What made the people of Florida love Donald Trump, And even though it's like 32 00:02:37,000 --> 00:02:40,520 highly contested state where all the Democrats were really playing to win, and what 33 00:02:40,599 --> 00:02:46,879 made the people of Georgia swing so radically to the Democrats side? And part 34 00:02:46,879 --> 00:02:51,080 of the story, like a somewhat smaller part of the story, is the 35 00:02:51,120 --> 00:02:57,800 immigration patterns into Georgia versus Florida, where you get a higher quality of people 36 00:02:57,879 --> 00:03:00,879 coming to Florida the Georgia. But a lot of it is there was a 37 00:03:00,960 --> 00:03:05,520 systematic takeover of the election process. You know, people like to make fun 38 00:03:05,520 --> 00:03:09,319 of Stacy Abrams or whatever her name is, but she worked to take control 39 00:03:09,479 --> 00:03:15,759 of the election system in a way that radically benefited Democrats. And even that, 40 00:03:16,840 --> 00:03:20,840 even though that's like a very long complicated story itself, even that would 41 00:03:20,840 --> 00:03:27,919 not have been sufficient without Mark Zuckerberg's two left wing groups that worked to take 42 00:03:28,000 --> 00:03:32,439 over the government election offices in a way that systematically benefited Democrats. And there 43 00:03:32,439 --> 00:03:36,479 were two groups. They were funded to the tune of four hundred and nineteen 44 00:03:36,520 --> 00:03:40,439 million dollars. Georgia was far and away the state that they targeted in like 45 00:03:40,520 --> 00:03:45,560 an extreme takeover attempt that would help both with the presidency and the Senate. 46 00:03:46,159 --> 00:03:53,439 And they came into nationwide, these groups came mostly into the blue areas of 47 00:03:53,479 --> 00:03:58,560 swing states. In Georgia, that's true also, but Georgia is unique in 48 00:03:58,639 --> 00:04:02,120 that the Republican Secretary of State actually invited them in. You might remember that 49 00:04:02,280 --> 00:04:06,639 in June of twenty twenty, they had a primary where the Democrats who run 50 00:04:06,680 --> 00:04:12,319 the elections in fulland County had like a complete disaster. They had twelve hour 51 00:04:12,439 --> 00:04:16,079 weight lines for the primary. The New York Times sounded like Sidney Powell in 52 00:04:16,160 --> 00:04:19,399 writing about it, so did the Washington Post in Politico, and they were 53 00:04:19,439 --> 00:04:25,879 alleging like trenanigans with the election system. And Ravensberger and his team did not 54 00:04:25,959 --> 00:04:28,560 like the negative coverage from the New York Times, so they welcomed in the 55 00:04:28,639 --> 00:04:30,199 Zuckerberg groups. And they were like, well, let them take over the 56 00:04:30,240 --> 00:04:34,480 Fulton County elections and we'll take that money and we'll use it to help out 57 00:04:34,480 --> 00:04:39,199 with Democrat get out the vote efforts. And they did. Now in so 58 00:04:39,319 --> 00:04:46,519 doing, they did things like mailed mail and ballid applications to everybody in the 59 00:04:46,600 --> 00:04:51,560 state. They had an agreement. Even this is like some of this is 60 00:04:51,600 --> 00:04:57,519 Zuckerberg related, some of this isn't. They did an agreement they signed to 61 00:04:57,519 --> 00:05:00,319 make it much easier to pass signature verification as part of this massive mail in 62 00:05:00,399 --> 00:05:08,639 ballot effort, and they did take over the blue counties of this state to 63 00:05:08,720 --> 00:05:13,560 help out with like maximizing Democrat vote, and there were other things that, 64 00:05:13,600 --> 00:05:16,120 like the Secretary of State's office not the most office I've seen out there, 65 00:05:17,160 --> 00:05:21,839 they also did things like allowed even though they were kind of notified that this 66 00:05:21,920 --> 00:05:26,000 was a problem, that there was a lot of illegal voting, by which 67 00:05:26,040 --> 00:05:29,839 I mean in the state of Georgia, if you're a law abiding citizen, 68 00:05:30,279 --> 00:05:32,240 you do not vote in a different county than the one that you're registered in, 69 00:05:32,399 --> 00:05:35,920 even if you live in the different county. And in the twenty twenty 70 00:05:35,959 --> 00:05:45,040 election, there's pretty good evidence that a number significantly exceeding the margin of victory 71 00:05:45,120 --> 00:05:47,240 did that. And the remedy in state law is that you should have had 72 00:05:47,240 --> 00:05:51,120 a new election. They already had a new election already on the books because 73 00:05:51,120 --> 00:05:55,160 they had the Senate runoff, so it would not have been that difficult. 74 00:05:55,439 --> 00:06:00,600 And the Secretary of State's office was resisting any effort to get to the bottom 75 00:06:00,639 --> 00:06:04,480 of that bucket of votes, along with all the other buckets of problematic votes. 76 00:06:04,519 --> 00:06:09,160 They were not helping people figure out what was good or bad. But 77 00:06:10,480 --> 00:06:15,399 there it's okay to challenge an election like this, like George's was something of 78 00:06:15,399 --> 00:06:17,879 a mess, and that's why they cleaned up their election laws a little bit 79 00:06:18,160 --> 00:06:23,600 in the year following. Okay, I don't like how my initial statement came 80 00:06:23,600 --> 00:06:26,279 out, so I'm going to revise it. Just to some extent, I 81 00:06:26,319 --> 00:06:32,920 don't like the way Rudy Giuliani acted or Donald Trump acted incompetently in my view 82 00:06:33,319 --> 00:06:40,600 when challenging these things kind of scattershot way that I don't think a competent person 83 00:06:40,720 --> 00:06:43,160 would have reacted to this kind of thing. But what you said was, 84 00:06:43,199 --> 00:06:46,879 I'm sure it's all true your expertise on this that I do not, but 85 00:06:46,920 --> 00:06:49,480 a lot of that needs to be taken care of before elections, not after 86 00:06:49,560 --> 00:06:54,480 elections. There's it's very difficult to challenge a lot of the things that went 87 00:06:54,519 --> 00:06:57,560 on. Stop. No. So, first of all, I in the 88 00:06:57,639 --> 00:07:00,079 book, I'm very critical of Rudy Giuliani, mostly for what he did in 89 00:07:00,120 --> 00:07:04,240 Pennsylvania. I actually don't think he was a huge player in Georgia. It 90 00:07:04,360 --> 00:07:08,959 was enough of a player in Georgia. He was not good in how he 91 00:07:09,040 --> 00:07:12,920 handled any of the post election litigation at all. I will grant you that, 92 00:07:13,040 --> 00:07:15,680 okay, but that's not the story in Georgia. The story in Georgia 93 00:07:15,800 --> 00:07:18,839 is that a really good lawsuit was filed, and you know, you have 94 00:07:18,879 --> 00:07:21,959 to do these like when you know nothing, when you know very little, 95 00:07:23,480 --> 00:07:26,399 and so they're getting information from all these different people. They put together a 96 00:07:26,439 --> 00:07:29,680 lawsuit. And by the way, when you're getting information from different people, 97 00:07:29,800 --> 00:07:32,160 some of the information they got turned out to be like really good, like 98 00:07:32,199 --> 00:07:35,480 what I just told you about. That was the kind of claim that someone 99 00:07:35,560 --> 00:07:41,279 brought forth. It was this data expert whose dad once ran for governor of 100 00:07:41,319 --> 00:07:46,240 Georgia and he got really into like voter data and he's really solid and really 101 00:07:46,279 --> 00:07:48,920 knows his stuff. And another stuff is like people say aliens came in and 102 00:07:48,959 --> 00:07:51,560 they took over the ballot box. Now, when you're filing the laws, 103 00:07:51,639 --> 00:07:56,199 and that was an extreme exaggeration. That doesn't work now because my point is 104 00:07:56,199 --> 00:07:58,759 when you file a lawsuit and you say, okay, this person says that 105 00:07:58,800 --> 00:08:01,959 four hundred dead people vote, and this person says that there's tens of thousands 106 00:08:03,000 --> 00:08:05,959 of illegal votes, you can put it all in the lawsuit and then as 107 00:08:05,000 --> 00:08:09,279 it proceeds, you're kind of like getting more information, which is what they 108 00:08:09,319 --> 00:08:11,319 wanted from the Secretary of State's office to kind of resolve some of this. 109 00:08:11,879 --> 00:08:16,600 Now. Had the Secretary of State's office been compliant, they would have, 110 00:08:16,639 --> 00:08:20,839 for instance, figured out very quickly that the claim on the tens of thousands 111 00:08:20,839 --> 00:08:24,959 of illegal votes was valid, and they would have figured out very quickly that 112 00:08:26,000 --> 00:08:30,040 the number of dead votes was not significant enough. Number of dead people voting 113 00:08:30,120 --> 00:08:33,919 was not significant enough to matter, okay. And the office was resistant, 114 00:08:33,200 --> 00:08:39,639 basically operating as if they were like a contrary party, you know, and 115 00:08:39,679 --> 00:08:43,240 it all goes through. The lawsuit was good. The court system there was 116 00:08:43,279 --> 00:08:46,440 a nightmare. I write about this in the book. They couldn't get a 117 00:08:46,559 --> 00:08:50,519 judge. The judges that they would get and then then wouldn't work out, 118 00:08:50,639 --> 00:08:54,799 were very compromised. They couldn't get a date. They finally get a date 119 00:08:54,879 --> 00:08:58,879 for the hearing, and it's like either the day before or the day after 120 00:08:58,000 --> 00:09:03,480 January sixth. The entire point is to challenge the election while it matters, 121 00:09:03,519 --> 00:09:07,879 not after, and so the delays in the judges like delaying it passed the 122 00:09:07,879 --> 00:09:13,440 time when the Electoral College votes are taking place, delaying it until the time 123 00:09:13,480 --> 00:09:18,080 when the actual votes are being tabulated. This is all a major problem. 124 00:09:18,120 --> 00:09:22,960 It's not in this case, Rudy Giuliani's problem. It's certainly not Donald Trump's 125 00:09:22,960 --> 00:09:28,159 problem. And to blame them for problems that are well outside their control is 126 00:09:28,200 --> 00:09:33,919 and then to criminalize that is ridiculous. Let's set aside, just for a 127 00:09:33,000 --> 00:09:39,360 moment, whether you like the way Rudy Giuliani or Donald Trump acted, or 128 00:09:39,399 --> 00:09:41,039 whether it was fair or not. Right, Let's just set that aside and 129 00:09:41,080 --> 00:09:48,879 talk about the Rico indictment basically, which is a rico. I don't know 130 00:09:48,960 --> 00:09:52,320 if people know this. It was passed I think federally at least in the 131 00:09:52,360 --> 00:09:56,720 nineteen seventies to deal with mafia types because they have brackets here influenced and corrupt 132 00:09:58,000 --> 00:10:03,559 organizations act right, right, So essentially prosecutors had a very tough time dealing 133 00:10:03,639 --> 00:10:07,279 with, uh, you know, big organizations that had a lot of moving 134 00:10:07,360 --> 00:10:13,720 parts and that weren't so obviously in a conspiracy together to commit a specific crime. 135 00:10:13,240 --> 00:10:18,080 I think that Rico should be unconstitutional. I've said this long before Donald 136 00:10:18,080 --> 00:10:22,279 Trump was even you know, a political character there. It is seems to 137 00:10:22,279 --> 00:10:28,000 be very unconstitutional to have this wide net that that basically allows you to go 138 00:10:28,080 --> 00:10:33,240 after a bunch of people who have some of who have done who have not 139 00:10:33,279 --> 00:10:35,759 willingly committed a crime or willingly wanted to commit a crime, or even known 140 00:10:35,799 --> 00:10:39,200 that there were other crimes going on. I mean, everyone has due process 141 00:10:39,279 --> 00:10:43,080 rights. It's basically just used so that you can pressure a bunch of people 142 00:10:43,200 --> 00:10:48,200 on the periphery of something that's going on to go after some main person and 143 00:10:48,240 --> 00:10:52,519 that here, that's Donald Trump. It is completely ridiculous because this is supposed 144 00:10:52,519 --> 00:10:56,399 to be about election interference or overturning democracy, but yet that's not really the 145 00:10:56,480 --> 00:11:05,000 crime. There's no this is about fraud, and it's about all kinds of 146 00:11:05,200 --> 00:11:09,519 other criminal acts that have nothing to do with an election, you know, 147 00:11:09,639 --> 00:11:15,519 overturning an election. As I read this thing, you know, a lot 148 00:11:15,559 --> 00:11:18,080 of the supposed conspiracy is just saying stuff. Now I realize that they're not 149 00:11:18,120 --> 00:11:22,279 being charged on those comments. Donald Rump is not being charged on a Twitter, 150 00:11:22,440 --> 00:11:28,440 a tweet or whatever. But the conspiracy wouldn't exist without those tweets, 151 00:11:28,639 --> 00:11:33,159 and they were public, So how can they be this criminal conspiracy if we 152 00:11:33,240 --> 00:11:35,720 knew what he was saying, and he was sending lawyers to fight these things. 153 00:11:35,720 --> 00:11:39,399 It doesn't make sense or we even get into that stuff, though, 154 00:11:39,399 --> 00:11:43,600 I want to stick on the Rico thing. Margot Cleveland wrote a great look 155 00:11:43,639 --> 00:11:46,919 at sort of like the six different buckets of charges in this Georgia thing, 156 00:11:46,960 --> 00:11:50,240 and she says, the first one is RICO, and there are two problems 157 00:11:50,279 --> 00:11:54,919 with going after them for RICO violations. And I will just say I'd heard 158 00:11:54,960 --> 00:12:01,960 from a smart attorney that the Georgia Rico statute is even worse than most states 159 00:12:01,120 --> 00:12:07,320 RICO statutes. So there's that. But RICO is supposed to be going after 160 00:12:07,399 --> 00:12:11,960 an enterprise, and as agatting Andy McCarthy pointed out, the whole point of 161 00:12:13,000 --> 00:12:16,399 the enterprises that it exists in perpetuity or you know, like it exists over 162 00:12:16,480 --> 00:12:20,919 long course of time. And Margaret was saying, this group of people was 163 00:12:20,960 --> 00:12:26,559 gathered with an objective. The objective was to challenge the election. Should that 164 00:12:26,639 --> 00:12:33,559 objective be achieved, well achieved, or fail, the enterprise quote unquote goes 165 00:12:33,559 --> 00:12:37,080 away. The only thing they were there for was for that act. And 166 00:12:37,120 --> 00:12:46,600 then the second thing she says is that they are tried as if they're being 167 00:12:46,679 --> 00:12:54,240 charged with unlawfully attempting to change the election in Trump's favor. But the actual 168 00:12:54,559 --> 00:13:01,120 things mentioned in the indictment are more about trying to get the legislator to investigate 169 00:13:01,159 --> 00:13:05,159 the election. And so it doesn't even work even on that first order, 170 00:13:05,240 --> 00:13:11,559 right, there's there's no real criminal act. Like even when Rudy Giuliani is 171 00:13:11,600 --> 00:13:16,399 saying, like the voting machines don't work, to the legislators to investigate, 172 00:13:16,480 --> 00:13:20,399 why can't he I don't understand why that is part of any kind of criminal 173 00:13:20,440 --> 00:13:22,960 conspiracy. That's part of he's asking someone to look into something. He's not 174 00:13:24,080 --> 00:13:28,879 saying do something illegal here. I actually think I'm going to rewrite or pull 175 00:13:28,879 --> 00:13:33,200 out of the book some stuff that I had about how the Washington Post, 176 00:13:33,360 --> 00:13:37,399 the New York Times, and Politico back when they thought that they would have 177 00:13:37,519 --> 00:13:43,679 to challenge the Georgia election right as Democrats, they sounded again like Sidney Powell 178 00:13:43,799 --> 00:13:48,919 and Lynn would when they were talking about voting machines. And nobody has charged 179 00:13:48,919 --> 00:13:54,120 the New York Times or Washington Post or Politico with any crime, even though 180 00:13:54,279 --> 00:13:58,960 they are these people who are out there being like these machines can be compromised 181 00:13:58,960 --> 00:14:05,559 by a foreign country and as someone reminded me just yesterday, USA Today ran 182 00:14:05,639 --> 00:14:09,759 an article the day before the election claiming that they thought that there would be 183 00:14:09,759 --> 00:14:15,000 problems with machines. Now I'm on record is not believing. I believe human 184 00:14:15,159 --> 00:14:20,200 error is so much worse than machine error, like I would so wish Philadelphia 185 00:14:20,240 --> 00:14:22,960 would turn over their voting to machines, like actual machines, rather than the 186 00:14:24,080 --> 00:14:28,200 party machine of people. It is funny how people think that it's easier to 187 00:14:28,320 --> 00:14:31,720 cheat through some sort of computer program which where you can see it's happening, 188 00:14:31,759 --> 00:14:37,919 than through human either error or malfecence. Right now, if I can defend 189 00:14:39,120 --> 00:14:43,360 both the Amy Klobuchar, Kamala Harris, Barack Obama senator types who've always been 190 00:14:43,399 --> 00:14:48,000 obsessed with machines, and the USA Today, Washington Post, New York Times 191 00:14:48,000 --> 00:14:52,159 people who were obsessed with machines when they thought that they Republicans might win elections, 192 00:14:52,320 --> 00:14:56,320 and even you know, the Republicans who fought on election basis. It 193 00:14:56,440 --> 00:14:58,879 is true that there are in fact a lot of problems with machines, including 194 00:15:00,000 --> 00:15:05,120 an inability to to like detect it in real time or like academics have done 195 00:15:05,120 --> 00:15:09,480 studies where there are failure rates in how things are registered, and even if 196 00:15:09,519 --> 00:15:13,000 you get even if you get the ticket out, like they did a thing 197 00:15:13,120 --> 00:15:18,360 a test where they like actually changed a vote on one of the races and 198 00:15:18,919 --> 00:15:22,600 only seven percent of people checking their ticket noticed it, you know. So 199 00:15:22,879 --> 00:15:26,159 there are all sorts of problems. So I don't want to belittle it completely. 200 00:15:26,200 --> 00:15:31,879 I just think they're bigger problems with people. So yeah, I mean, 201 00:15:33,240 --> 00:15:37,799 so here's the thing. The yesterday I think we're two days ago. 202 00:15:37,840 --> 00:15:41,679 Actually Hillary Clinton was on you know, first of all, the television coverage 203 00:15:41,720 --> 00:15:45,440 of this, the gloating over this, which is a serious problem for our 204 00:15:45,480 --> 00:15:50,200 republic. Even if I don't care how much you hate Donald Trump, he's 205 00:15:50,240 --> 00:15:54,159 the leading presidential candidate of the Republican Party right now, and he you know, 206 00:15:54,320 --> 00:15:58,360 they want to put him in jail over a lot of what I think 207 00:15:58,600 --> 00:16:03,039 our speech crimes. So, but the gloating and the laughing and the smiling. 208 00:16:03,039 --> 00:16:07,200 And there's Hillary Clinton, who, first of all, I just want 209 00:16:07,240 --> 00:16:11,840 to mention, has never accepted the results of the two thousand election, has 210 00:16:11,879 --> 00:16:17,960 never was on the record saying that she doubted the veracity of voting, you 211 00:16:17,960 --> 00:16:22,879 know, of the voting machine outcomes in Ohio, in two thousand and four 212 00:16:22,960 --> 00:16:27,080 and who did not never accepted the not only did not accept twenty sixteen, 213 00:16:27,799 --> 00:16:34,559 but work to use OPO research, launder through the press, helped by our 214 00:16:34,639 --> 00:16:41,480 institutions of government, to basically undo the presidency that she you know that she 215 00:16:41,000 --> 00:16:45,840 lost of Donald Trump. She's on TV laughing about this, and this to 216 00:16:45,919 --> 00:16:49,000 me strikes It's not even hypocrisy, but it's just shows that there are two 217 00:16:49,000 --> 00:16:53,440 systems of justice, and that makes it difficult al Gore. When I was 218 00:16:53,480 --> 00:16:56,440 reading these indictments, I thought, Wow, al Gored did all the same 219 00:16:56,480 --> 00:17:02,919 stuff. His lawyers did all of this most exactly this stuff. The only 220 00:17:03,000 --> 00:17:06,160 they're like, you know, there's this mythology that he was a statesman at 221 00:17:06,200 --> 00:17:07,240 stepped aside. No he didn't. He took it to the Supreme Court. 222 00:17:07,319 --> 00:17:11,799 Supreme Court said, you can't steal an election. You can't just count votes, 223 00:17:11,960 --> 00:17:15,359 recount votes in places that you want to and ignore everyone else. And 224 00:17:15,359 --> 00:17:19,559 we can't keep having rehabbing elections just you know, voting just because you don't 225 00:17:19,599 --> 00:17:22,319 like what happened. So anyway, al Gore should have been to help make 226 00:17:22,319 --> 00:17:26,839 it's a conspiracy in the sense that it was worse than this conspiracy in many 227 00:17:26,839 --> 00:17:33,000 ways going on Pennsylvania. The Pennsylvania case that Giuliani messed up was actually very 228 00:17:33,079 --> 00:17:37,440 much like a Florida twenty twenty case on are you allowed to just count votes 229 00:17:37,519 --> 00:17:41,519 in places where you you were expecting to get more votes and not do that 230 00:17:41,640 --> 00:17:45,559 same level of diligence in areas where you wouldn't. And can I mention something 231 00:17:45,559 --> 00:17:52,319 about, yeah, they recounted the votes using all the later recounted votes. 232 00:17:52,359 --> 00:17:56,359 I think it was USA Today, Miami, Harold and they all Bush gained 233 00:17:56,480 --> 00:18:02,279 votes in all using the very liberal standards, with the chads, with everything 234 00:18:02,279 --> 00:18:07,160 else that the that the Democrats wanted in that election. And yet how many 235 00:18:07,200 --> 00:18:10,319 people do you think believe that Bush actually won two thousand. I still see 236 00:18:10,319 --> 00:18:14,200 people say that the Supreme Court gave them the election, which is just nonsense. 237 00:18:14,240 --> 00:18:18,279 But anyway, so that double standard, I think, really but it 238 00:18:18,319 --> 00:18:21,599 does. And it also speaks to another thing, though, which is, 239 00:18:22,079 --> 00:18:25,759 yes, the Supreme Court had to get involved in two thousand and pretty much 240 00:18:25,759 --> 00:18:27,880 everyone on the Court at that time and everyone on the Court at this time, 241 00:18:29,319 --> 00:18:32,880 you know, thinks that was not great. Judges do not like to 242 00:18:32,880 --> 00:18:34,599 get involved, and it's really bad. When you do have an election like 243 00:18:34,640 --> 00:18:38,279 the one in Georgia because you need the judges to get involved but they refuse 244 00:18:38,400 --> 00:18:41,200 to do so, or even like in Wisconsin, where the judges get involved, 245 00:18:41,359 --> 00:18:45,200 but they're like, but don't think this. Yes you're right, but 246 00:18:45,279 --> 00:18:48,960 we're going to We're not going to challenge the results of the election that was 247 00:18:48,000 --> 00:18:52,359 affected by you being right and everybody else being wrong. And so it's a 248 00:18:52,519 --> 00:18:56,839 it's a huge mess. So again big picture, the more we move from 249 00:18:57,880 --> 00:19:03,079 clear coherent voting where everybody votes on the same day and they count the votes 250 00:19:03,119 --> 00:19:07,480 on the same day into this election season with billions of dollars of outside Democrat 251 00:19:07,559 --> 00:19:11,680 money influencing things, the worst it is for the entire system. Like nobody 252 00:19:11,759 --> 00:19:15,920 trusts sayings. You don't even know how many votes are out, much less 253 00:19:15,960 --> 00:19:18,480 how they're going to be counted. You don't have good transparency of what's being 254 00:19:18,480 --> 00:19:23,480 counted. It's just a nightmare. And so if you care about the republic 255 00:19:23,559 --> 00:19:27,039 holding together, you should work to clean up the system. And that's true 256 00:19:27,039 --> 00:19:32,279 whether you're Democrat or Republican, or whether the people who are complaining right now 257 00:19:32,440 --> 00:19:36,200 or a Republican or whether they were Democrat, like it's important that people trust 258 00:19:36,240 --> 00:19:40,960 elections. There's a real tension there because in one way, you have to 259 00:19:41,599 --> 00:19:45,000 try to get policies in place that tighten up these elections, that make them 260 00:19:45,079 --> 00:19:48,319 fairer in all of that. But on the other hand, there are places 261 00:19:48,400 --> 00:19:52,599 whether that's not going to happen, and you have to compete in the way 262 00:19:52,640 --> 00:19:55,960 the Democrats do to try to win the back those states or win those states, 263 00:19:56,000 --> 00:19:57,799 meaning, you know, you have to play the games they do or 264 00:19:57,799 --> 00:20:02,640 you're never going to win another election. Right. So it's just a weird, 265 00:20:03,000 --> 00:20:04,880 weird thing, isn't it. Yeah, you know, it's weird. 266 00:20:06,079 --> 00:20:10,480 I just realized that last night I had a dream that involved ballot harvesting. 267 00:20:11,160 --> 00:20:15,480 Exactly. That's so lame. I remember I used to dream, you know, 268 00:20:15,559 --> 00:20:19,279 cool things about like flying in space, and now it's ballot harvesting. 269 00:20:19,279 --> 00:20:23,319 It's really I feel bad for myself. Can I read something to you that 270 00:20:23,400 --> 00:20:30,200 I wrote about in before the twenty twenty election, there was a Democrats got 271 00:20:30,240 --> 00:20:34,359 together and Republicans to sort of play out a war game, if you will, 272 00:20:34,400 --> 00:20:37,960 for the twenty twenty election. And then funny the Republicans who the people 273 00:20:38,000 --> 00:20:42,640 who played the Republicans were like Bill Crystal and stuff like that. So ticket 274 00:20:42,680 --> 00:20:45,960 for what it is. But in this fictional war game, John Podesta plays 275 00:20:47,000 --> 00:20:53,519 Biden right, and so they they In one of the scenarios, Biden loses 276 00:20:53,519 --> 00:20:59,240 the election. So this is what John Podesta does in this war game. 277 00:20:59,720 --> 00:21:06,920 He edges voter suppression and then he persuades the Democratic governors of Trump won states 278 00:21:06,920 --> 00:21:11,640 such as Wisconsin and Michigan to send pro Biden electors to the Electoral College. 279 00:21:11,960 --> 00:21:15,480 In the meantime, he commits as California, Oregon in Washington to threaten to 280 00:21:15,559 --> 00:21:21,799 secede from the Union. Of Trump takes office, the Democratic How's unilaterally names 281 00:21:21,799 --> 00:21:26,119 Biden president and then quote at this point in the scenario the New York Times, 282 00:21:26,119 --> 00:21:29,279 Ben Smith explains, the nations stopped looking to the media for cues and 283 00:21:29,319 --> 00:21:32,680 waited to see what the military would do. Can you imagine, I mean, 284 00:21:33,319 --> 00:21:37,839 this was this was John Podesta's best, uh you know, wait way 285 00:21:37,920 --> 00:21:42,519 to deal with with losing an election, which is almost but even worse than 286 00:21:42,559 --> 00:21:48,200 anything Donald Trump did in the conspiracy I know it's not real, but worse. 287 00:21:48,359 --> 00:21:52,240 No, and all of this was being messaged I mean again, in 288 00:21:52,319 --> 00:21:56,880 twenty twenty, there was an effort to get electors to change their votes. 289 00:21:57,079 --> 00:22:03,599 There was an effort to overturn the election. This was participated in by prominent 290 00:22:03,839 --> 00:22:08,559 Democrats. Sorry in twenty sixteen, and nothing happened. By the way, 291 00:22:08,839 --> 00:22:15,519 tons of Democrats voted to not accept the votes from various states, and some 292 00:22:15,559 --> 00:22:19,119 of those people are in leadership in the Democrat Party right now. You had 293 00:22:19,319 --> 00:22:25,200 a third of the Democrats in the House refusing to show up for the inauguration 294 00:22:25,279 --> 00:22:30,400 because they believed that Trump had stolen the election bycluding with Russia. And nothing 295 00:22:30,839 --> 00:22:34,119 happened to these people. So we you know, I saw some people being 296 00:22:34,119 --> 00:22:40,160 like, oharded, they were okay, But someone say it's bad to criminalize 297 00:22:40,279 --> 00:22:45,400 challenging elections because now Democrats can be in trouble for it. It's like, 298 00:22:45,359 --> 00:22:52,880 wake up people, wake up people. There has been nothing but challenging elections 299 00:22:52,880 --> 00:22:57,000 from Democrats since two thousand and all that happens is rewarding. And then you 300 00:22:57,079 --> 00:23:02,160 have like legitimate problems like twenty twenty election, which we all know was the 301 00:23:02,160 --> 00:23:06,559 weirdest election of our lifetime, and they're trying to criminalize even acknowledging that, 302 00:23:06,759 --> 00:23:12,000 discussing that, debating that, like it's frightening. I don't really think most 303 00:23:12,759 --> 00:23:19,359 Democrats really understand what's happening here. I feel like or they're so hateful, 304 00:23:19,839 --> 00:23:25,599 the political left is so hateful of Trump and Republicans in general, that they're 305 00:23:25,640 --> 00:23:27,640 just they just never think it's gonna, you know, boomerang on them, 306 00:23:27,640 --> 00:23:33,920 and they're probably right, but it does I mean, if the Washington Post 307 00:23:33,960 --> 00:23:37,000 in twenty sixteen, which they did after the election, ran op eds from 308 00:23:37,000 --> 00:23:42,599 people trying to convince electors to do exactly what Donald Trump was doing, isn't 309 00:23:42,599 --> 00:23:45,319 that not a criminal act. I'm not saying it's a conspiracy, but it 310 00:23:45,359 --> 00:23:48,319 is a criminal act. But yet they get away with it. I don't 311 00:23:48,319 --> 00:23:52,000 know what even to charge. I don't even know what they could have charged 312 00:23:52,039 --> 00:23:59,319 Hilly Clinton with honestly in twenty twenty. I mean there in twenty sixteen for 313 00:23:59,359 --> 00:24:03,720 the Russia illusion stuff. I think there's plenty of illegal leaking. There's plenty 314 00:24:03,720 --> 00:24:07,279 of laundering by the press knowing, you know, But I don't know even 315 00:24:07,279 --> 00:24:11,240 know if charged that Jack Schaeffer was that his name? Did I just make 316 00:24:11,240 --> 00:24:17,079 that up? Jack Smith? Who's yeah, Jack Shaffer's Jack Smith said that 317 00:24:17,119 --> 00:24:22,359 Donald Trump was defrauding the United states by challenging the election. I think that's 318 00:24:22,559 --> 00:24:26,759 preposterous. But in terms of like, if you can do that, then 319 00:24:26,839 --> 00:24:33,680 certainly if you knowingly invent a conspiracy theory to try to control an election and 320 00:24:33,720 --> 00:24:41,640 then keep using that conspiracy theory to undermine your country's standing in the world and 321 00:24:41,680 --> 00:24:45,720 your country's operations, like I think probably we could come up with some stuff 322 00:24:45,759 --> 00:24:48,839 for Hillary Clinton and everybody who participated. No, I'm sure, I'm sure 323 00:24:48,880 --> 00:24:52,839 they could, but I think that that would be problematic, just as this 324 00:24:52,920 --> 00:24:57,480 is. Yeah, but I just want to say the the Georgia case and 325 00:24:57,599 --> 00:25:03,960 the dc J six case, in a way, even talking about the specifics, 326 00:25:03,960 --> 00:25:10,680 like the specifics of them are cartoonish, cartoonish or like scary. You 327 00:25:10,720 --> 00:25:15,720 know, you've already mentioned that some of these counts are supported by pointing out 328 00:25:15,720 --> 00:25:21,759 that Donald Trump asked people to watch the media or to watch congressional hearings, 329 00:25:21,799 --> 00:25:26,680 and they put that as like in furtherance of a conspiracy. Margot Cleveland's thing 330 00:25:26,799 --> 00:25:32,519 notes that a lot of the charges are related to constitutionally protected efforts to petition 331 00:25:32,559 --> 00:25:40,000 your government for a redress of grievances. These are all really scary, awful 332 00:25:40,200 --> 00:25:44,920 things, but the point of these lawsuits is not to be tried in a 333 00:25:45,039 --> 00:25:49,000 fair court of law. It's to just kind of get a quick conviction and 334 00:25:49,039 --> 00:25:57,400 then they can maybe try to appeal up the road. And so by talking 335 00:25:57,400 --> 00:26:00,319 about the specifics it's sort of legitimate, yes them in a way. The 336 00:26:00,359 --> 00:26:04,359 whole thing is a joke. The whole thing is an attempt to destroy the 337 00:26:04,359 --> 00:26:11,119 country, and there's nothing worth treating as serious here. I mean, yeah, 338 00:26:11,200 --> 00:26:15,599 yeah, But the Jack Smith stuff, in the Fulton County stuff is 339 00:26:15,720 --> 00:26:21,319 that there's conspiracy to commit something that he is not actually a criminal act. 340 00:26:21,359 --> 00:26:25,200 That's my main problem here, you know what I mean, Like they say, 341 00:26:25,279 --> 00:26:27,440 oh, he the criminal act is defrauding the US government, which isn't 342 00:26:27,440 --> 00:26:33,680 a thing really in this case because it's a political debate, but that there's 343 00:26:33,680 --> 00:26:40,440 an enterprise to defraud the US government to challenge the election and lawfully change what 344 00:26:40,559 --> 00:26:44,799 were the initial results. That's completely legal act that others have tried to do 345 00:26:44,839 --> 00:26:48,079 in the past and not been charged for. So yeah, I don't know, 346 00:26:48,160 --> 00:26:51,759 it's it's pretty crazy. And at the same time, incidentally, you 347 00:26:51,839 --> 00:26:53,279 have the president of the United States. You know, there's more and more 348 00:26:53,319 --> 00:27:00,119 evidence that he literally used the US government to enrich his enterprise and his family, 349 00:27:00,200 --> 00:27:03,559 and it is literally uncovered. And as others have pointed out, every 350 00:27:03,559 --> 00:27:07,640 time something happens within that realm, there's a new indictment once and everyone just 351 00:27:07,680 --> 00:27:11,839 talks about Donald Trump. Can I I just saw that this mor I just 352 00:27:11,880 --> 00:27:15,839 saw this this morning, and I want to mention it. So Glenn Kessler's 353 00:27:15,839 --> 00:27:18,680 the fact checker at the Washington Post, and his new piece today is how 354 00:27:18,720 --> 00:27:22,480 Republicans overhyped the findings of their Hunter Biden probe. So I'm like, wow, 355 00:27:22,519 --> 00:27:26,480 I'm sure that piece is garbage, But let me look and see. 356 00:27:26,519 --> 00:27:30,440 When was the last time he fact checked Joe Biden, who is the President 357 00:27:30,480 --> 00:27:36,920 of the United States and lies basically every other sentence, every other coherent sentence. 358 00:27:37,119 --> 00:27:41,519 Last time he fact checked Joe Biden was April twenty eighth, and before 359 00:27:41,559 --> 00:27:47,519 that February fifteenth. Three times this whole year. He is like the He's 360 00:27:47,559 --> 00:27:49,880 the dean of fact checkers, right, He's the leading light of the fact 361 00:27:49,960 --> 00:27:55,720 checking profession. And just the other day, Joe Biden said he saw bridge 362 00:27:55,799 --> 00:27:59,240 collapse in Pittsburgh. He was saying in Milwaukee, among dozens of other lies, 363 00:27:59,240 --> 00:28:03,039 and not a single check of that he actually is the dean of these 364 00:28:03,079 --> 00:28:07,839 people, which says everything about I mean, a lot of these people are 365 00:28:08,000 --> 00:28:12,480 much much younger than he is. They are not the brightest bulbs in the 366 00:28:12,559 --> 00:28:19,920 chandelier. They are. It's like the lowest level of propaganda work that you 367 00:28:19,960 --> 00:28:23,920 can do. Like the really good propagandists they work high up at the Washington 368 00:28:23,920 --> 00:28:27,279 Post or New York Times. This is like when you're not really smart enough 369 00:28:27,319 --> 00:28:32,599 to keep a job, otherwise, by the way, very good at doing 370 00:28:32,640 --> 00:28:34,680 what you're told. Yeah, the Federalist does have a full list of Joe 371 00:28:34,680 --> 00:28:37,599 Bunn's lies. I think we're up to two hundred and fifty or whatever. 372 00:28:37,880 --> 00:28:41,160 And by the way, I think that that's a way under count because you 373 00:28:41,200 --> 00:28:45,160 can't really fact check this guy because he lies in ways that are very difficult 374 00:28:45,160 --> 00:28:48,279 to do that well. And unlike the way they did the Trump things. 375 00:28:48,279 --> 00:28:52,720 So like if Trump said four hundred times that the Russia collusion thing was a 376 00:28:52,720 --> 00:28:56,680 hoax, he would be fact checked as lying four hundred times, even though 377 00:28:56,680 --> 00:29:00,559 he was telling the truth four hundred times. And we should probably have done 378 00:29:00,559 --> 00:29:03,319 that because if we did that, if we did it, where every time 379 00:29:03,319 --> 00:29:07,519 he repeated the same full story, you know, we like, for instance, 380 00:29:07,519 --> 00:29:11,440 his son dying in Iraq in Iraq, right, I mean he just 381 00:29:11,759 --> 00:29:14,319 changed that for the you know, for the first time because there were people 382 00:29:14,359 --> 00:29:18,680 finally got so sick of it. But it was funny because where I think 383 00:29:18,720 --> 00:29:22,680 it was funny because I don't know, I don't know why I say funny. 384 00:29:22,799 --> 00:29:23,880 I think that's just like how I grew up. But there's nothing funny 385 00:29:23,880 --> 00:29:27,640 about this, right. But he gave he gave another speech where he's out 386 00:29:27,640 --> 00:29:33,559 there talking about Bidenomics, which I just want to stress is not an actual 387 00:29:33,640 --> 00:29:37,599 thing. There was no such thing as Bidenomics. Like Reaganomics was about you 388 00:29:37,640 --> 00:29:40,240 can like it or not, but it was an actual, you know, 389 00:29:40,400 --> 00:29:45,640 set of economic prescriptions that were very clear to people. You know, lower 390 00:29:45,759 --> 00:29:52,240 taxes, tighten up the money, you know whatever. But Bionomics is nothing. 391 00:29:52,240 --> 00:29:55,319 It's just a bunch of you know, climate stuff for this so whatever 392 00:29:55,359 --> 00:29:59,279 they want, it's basically build back better. And if they're trying to give 393 00:29:59,279 --> 00:30:06,359 credit to to bidonomics for turning the economy around, but really all they did 394 00:30:06,480 --> 00:30:10,559 and all Bidenomics, and it's not gaining any traction because it's people realize that 395 00:30:10,599 --> 00:30:14,119 there it's not a thing well did was let people go back to work. 396 00:30:14,200 --> 00:30:17,920 They've just basically gotten back the jobs that they lost. If if if you 397 00:30:18,079 --> 00:30:21,640 talk about the ten million jobs that were lost and regained simply by letting people 398 00:30:21,640 --> 00:30:26,160 go back to work, then you're talking about a really anemic growth here, 399 00:30:26,480 --> 00:30:30,160 really anemic economy. You have, you know, a low employment rate. 400 00:30:30,240 --> 00:30:33,359 It was essentially the same employment rate that Donald Trump had before COVID. I 401 00:30:33,400 --> 00:30:37,279 mean, it is not anything by any standard. Donald Trump deserved credit for 402 00:30:37,279 --> 00:30:41,519 a great economy as well. This is just the this is not even as 403 00:30:41,599 --> 00:30:44,920 dynamic. Donald Trump didn't have a lot of room to grow. The economy 404 00:30:45,000 --> 00:30:48,480 was relatively strong when he got around, and you know, so it's more 405 00:30:48,519 --> 00:30:51,640 impressive than what Joe Biden's doing. I think people realize that, you know, 406 00:30:52,240 --> 00:30:56,200 perhaps you know, they just realize that that's the case. I don't 407 00:30:56,240 --> 00:31:00,000 know, what do you think? I just find interesting. I do think 408 00:31:00,160 --> 00:31:03,039 campaign should focus on the economy because a lot of people voted for that reason. 409 00:31:03,160 --> 00:31:08,039 So I'm not like totally surprised that Biden would would run this type of 410 00:31:08,039 --> 00:31:14,799 thing. He can count on corporate media to help him completely. So the 411 00:31:14,839 --> 00:31:18,680 campaign approach seems to be what if we told people that the economy was going 412 00:31:18,720 --> 00:31:22,200 great, and we got our media to just gaslight people into believing that the 413 00:31:22,240 --> 00:31:26,599 economy is going great, and it's not the craziest thing. I mean, 414 00:31:26,680 --> 00:31:30,319 the media ran the twenty twenty campaign. They came up with some pretty outlandish 415 00:31:30,359 --> 00:31:33,400 things to convince people on, like that Joe Biden would be moderate, that 416 00:31:33,480 --> 00:31:37,720 he would that all the problems of the world would go away if you elected 417 00:31:37,799 --> 00:31:44,119 him. The fatal flaw here, I think, seems to be that the 418 00:31:44,200 --> 00:31:48,599 casual conversation in the war in the country is about how bad the economy is, 419 00:31:48,640 --> 00:31:55,880 and in two particular ways. One grocery shopping. Like I was at 420 00:31:55,920 --> 00:32:00,240 a grocery store recently and I heard a person working at the grocery store talking 421 00:32:00,319 --> 00:32:04,880 to someone who was purchasing peaches who was a guest at the prices and they 422 00:32:04,880 --> 00:32:07,759 were and the guy was just like, the prices just keep going up and 423 00:32:07,000 --> 00:32:09,359 up and up. He's like, half of what we do is change the 424 00:32:09,400 --> 00:32:14,559 prices, you know, for the produce stockers. And they weren't I mean, 425 00:32:15,319 --> 00:32:17,200 I don't want to, I don't want to stereotype, but they appeared 426 00:32:17,759 --> 00:32:23,079 that they might both be Democrat voters. And this is what they were talking 427 00:32:23,119 --> 00:32:30,000 about, and everybody talks about it, like discussing when you found you know, 428 00:32:30,160 --> 00:32:32,400 I just was at my parents' house and they had like too many eggs, 429 00:32:32,720 --> 00:32:35,680 and I'm like, why'd you get the eggs? And dad was like, 430 00:32:35,759 --> 00:32:37,279 oh, because the prices were really good on the eggs, you know, 431 00:32:37,359 --> 00:32:42,000 like you notice when the prices are going down whatever. So it's hard 432 00:32:42,000 --> 00:32:46,000 to say the economy is like roaring when people are casually like buying to buying, 433 00:32:46,039 --> 00:32:51,599 buying eggs to store up for the for the long haul. Yeah, 434 00:32:51,640 --> 00:32:55,920 and that's directly the fault of bonomics, which spent a ton of money right 435 00:32:55,960 --> 00:33:00,519 after the hot economy was you know, an economy is opened up, so 436 00:33:00,559 --> 00:33:04,599 it's going to be hot. Created the environment where the fed hats of rain. 437 00:33:04,839 --> 00:33:07,200 Interest rates as well, those are the two legacies of bionomics. High 438 00:33:07,200 --> 00:33:14,319 inflation and rising interest rates, both of which it doesn't economic growth. Yeah. 439 00:33:14,480 --> 00:33:16,920 That's the other thing people talk about is how difficult it is to buy 440 00:33:16,920 --> 00:33:20,640 a house. How that affects even whether you can sell a house. You 441 00:33:20,680 --> 00:33:23,079 know, it's it, and already it was difficult to buy a house, 442 00:33:23,160 --> 00:33:27,480 So it's just it seems like a weird approach for them to go down, 443 00:33:27,519 --> 00:33:32,839 but who knows. I mean, a lot of presents take credit for creating 444 00:33:32,960 --> 00:33:37,160 jobs, you know, and it's always frankly BS. But at least in 445 00:33:37,160 --> 00:33:43,359 this case, it's so obviously BS that I just don't even think it is 446 00:33:43,400 --> 00:33:45,759 a good way to go into the next election. And I think he's going 447 00:33:45,799 --> 00:33:50,680 to pivot to just the whole look at these neo fascists because it worked for 448 00:33:50,720 --> 00:33:52,920 them, they think in the mid terms, and I think they think it 449 00:33:52,920 --> 00:33:57,759 will work again. Can I take a quick detour and talk about something that's 450 00:33:57,759 --> 00:34:01,519 weird that I wrote about. I wrote about have you followed this Argentinian election 451 00:34:02,160 --> 00:34:07,119 only? Thank you, David so in my quest not to have to write 452 00:34:07,159 --> 00:34:13,519 about Donald Trump in elections, every single column I read about this Argentinian guy 453 00:34:13,599 --> 00:34:17,119 named Javier Malay. I don't know how exactly how to pronounce it, but 454 00:34:17,199 --> 00:34:22,599 he is an insane He looks like he's from Austin powers like he has like 455 00:34:22,760 --> 00:34:29,639 big mutton chop sideburns and like a big fluffy hair, and like super charismatic 456 00:34:29,639 --> 00:34:31,440 guy. Every here I'm going to read you some of the headlines, just 457 00:34:31,480 --> 00:34:36,480 pieces of the headline. I've had to describe him Trump admire right wing, 458 00:34:36,519 --> 00:34:39,480 populist, far right, outside fart right, populist, rightist, far right, 459 00:34:39,519 --> 00:34:44,599 libertarian, radical and far rights, and literally every story about it. 460 00:34:44,639 --> 00:34:50,960 But the guy is Argentine. Argentina is going through exactly what I think would 461 00:34:51,000 --> 00:34:52,760 happen here if we just let democrats run rough shot, if there was like 462 00:34:52,760 --> 00:34:57,599 a direct democracy here in democrats around the country, they would continue to spend 463 00:34:58,400 --> 00:35:01,800 inflation in argent you know, in his country's nuts. You know what, 464 00:35:01,840 --> 00:35:07,960 the the interest rates are there, one hundred and eighteen percent, one one 465 00:35:07,159 --> 00:35:13,599 eight percent, the stuff like that. So he just blames you know, 466 00:35:14,159 --> 00:35:22,440 basically the Paul krugmanesque economics that made this possible. He is a huge proponent 467 00:35:22,480 --> 00:35:27,000 of personal liberty, you know, just the self avowed classical liberal, but 468 00:35:27,159 --> 00:35:30,719 also hugely anti abortion. Like they did a gotcha question on him, like 469 00:35:30,960 --> 00:35:34,639 they asked him, if a ten year old had been raped and was pregnant, 470 00:35:34,639 --> 00:35:36,960 would you deny them an abortion? And he's like, a life is 471 00:35:37,000 --> 00:35:38,760 a life. That one terrible thing, you know, we don't want to 472 00:35:38,760 --> 00:35:44,079 compound it with another terrible thing. Stuff like that against state run sex education 473 00:35:44,079 --> 00:35:46,800 program. I mean, basically, this Molly, this is my dream candidate, 474 00:35:46,880 --> 00:35:50,400 Like I want to move there and vote for him. I love this 475 00:35:50,400 --> 00:35:52,480 guy that much. And it's like the first politician I've said that about probably 476 00:35:52,519 --> 00:35:57,960 since you know me, he's probably not going to be successful. I mean 477 00:35:58,000 --> 00:36:01,599 it's very you know, it's very difficult to overcome the institutions there and stuff 478 00:36:01,639 --> 00:36:06,639 like that. Favorite part with that he had these English massiffs that he named 479 00:36:07,400 --> 00:36:13,760 like Marie Rothbart, Milton Friedman or something like that. Yes, yes he 480 00:36:13,840 --> 00:36:21,119 had. He's a weird guy like he is. He's like a television personality 481 00:36:21,199 --> 00:36:24,320 there, and he is one of these guys who he kind of reminds me 482 00:36:24,360 --> 00:36:28,400 a little bit in the way of the debates, like the Christopher Hitchens type, 483 00:36:28,440 --> 00:36:32,679 though not ideologically similar. But he hates elites. He calls them rats 484 00:36:32,679 --> 00:36:37,880 all the time. Like so he is a libertarian populist where I would I 485 00:36:37,880 --> 00:36:39,480 wouldn't call, you know, call him libertarian is a short cut because I 486 00:36:39,480 --> 00:36:43,599 don't think he actually is like a you know, capital at a libertarian. 487 00:36:43,719 --> 00:36:47,239 But anyway, I wrote about him because I think he shows that you can 488 00:36:47,320 --> 00:36:52,280 be a person who believes in kind of the economic ideas I subscribe to, 489 00:36:52,360 --> 00:36:58,719 you know, free market stuff. And also be you know, believe that 490 00:36:58,639 --> 00:37:01,760 that leads to a more virtue and moral society. And I think that that's 491 00:37:01,800 --> 00:37:07,519 true. So I hope he wins because I don't think there's another guy like 492 00:37:07,559 --> 00:37:09,440 this in the world. I don't think there's another candidate seeing any kind of 493 00:37:09,480 --> 00:37:13,679 success in the world who's like this guy at all. It's certainly not here. 494 00:37:13,719 --> 00:37:16,760 I don't think we're headed in that direction at all. But we'll see. 495 00:37:17,280 --> 00:37:22,639 But you know, I'm I'm worried that we're headed to that kind of 496 00:37:22,679 --> 00:37:27,679 economy if if frankly, if Joe Biden wins again, or the Democrats take 497 00:37:27,760 --> 00:37:30,480 Congress, I mean, if Democrats take the Senate, I think it's going 498 00:37:30,559 --> 00:37:34,840 to be a big problem. So anyway, I wanted to do just touch 499 00:37:34,880 --> 00:37:37,599 on something else that's a big story. Hawaii. I've never been to Hawhire 500 00:37:37,679 --> 00:37:40,800 or anything like that, but what I'm seeing there reminds me of like Pompey 501 00:37:42,000 --> 00:37:45,280 or something, you know, like it reminds me of, you know, 502 00:37:45,400 --> 00:37:52,760 just a kind of just horrifying, horrifying ecological disaster. And have you ever 503 00:37:52,800 --> 00:37:57,800 been out there? Oh? I have. My husband was born in Hawaii, 504 00:37:58,239 --> 00:38:05,920 right and and I have been to Lanai, Lanai how do you say 505 00:38:05,960 --> 00:38:09,840 it? I don't know. The destruction is horrible. I cannot believe it. 506 00:38:09,840 --> 00:38:15,480 I mean, it's also kind of interesting how how it's not the entire 507 00:38:15,639 --> 00:38:21,679 island of Maui, but just this one area. I'm scared about how many 508 00:38:21,760 --> 00:38:25,960 people may have died. And it's just, you know, like some people 509 00:38:25,960 --> 00:38:30,039 are saying that they're more than a thousand people who are missing, and you 510 00:38:30,119 --> 00:38:35,039 worry that a lot of those are people who are not going to be recovered. 511 00:38:35,199 --> 00:38:38,880 But it just is horrible. Yeah, the thoughts are there, you 512 00:38:38,960 --> 00:38:44,199 know. I just you just hate to see things like that. Lahinah, 513 00:38:44,360 --> 00:38:47,639 right, Lahinah. I honestly don't know. I've never been there. I 514 00:38:47,639 --> 00:38:52,000 don't know much about it. It's beautiful, it's great. Yeah, Like 515 00:38:52,039 --> 00:38:55,840 my husband's family lived there for a long time and he has native cousins. 516 00:38:57,800 --> 00:39:00,559 It is like one of his aunt's married a Native Hawaiian, so we've been 517 00:39:00,599 --> 00:39:06,360 over for weddings and things like that. Actually, my husband wrote a great 518 00:39:06,400 --> 00:39:12,039 piece on how he was born in the same hospital as Barack Obama. So 519 00:39:13,840 --> 00:39:17,320 I'm shocked this has not gotten like dramatically more coverage. This is the worst 520 00:39:17,960 --> 00:39:23,159 wildfire disaster. I think the country has had in some time, and it's 521 00:39:23,199 --> 00:39:28,000 in a place where you think people would want to go cover it more. 522 00:39:28,760 --> 00:39:32,239 And it's just you can even imagine how it would be exploited by people. 523 00:39:32,239 --> 00:39:35,800 You know. They always likes to take a natural disaster and say this was 524 00:39:35,880 --> 00:39:39,559 caused by global warming or whatever, and it hasn't really happened. I sense 525 00:39:39,639 --> 00:39:46,559 that maybe people are worried that people will Katrina Joe Biden with the failures of 526 00:39:46,599 --> 00:39:52,000 his administration here, not that you know, I personally believe that local and 527 00:39:52,079 --> 00:39:55,440 state officials are the ones that should handle disaster response. But I know from 528 00:39:55,519 --> 00:40:00,280 experience that the media believe that the president is personally responsible for every death that 529 00:40:00,360 --> 00:40:05,880 happens during a natural disaster or something like this. So maybe they just it's 530 00:40:05,920 --> 00:40:09,280 like a Biden protection mode, or that they know the entire government of Hawaii's 531 00:40:09,360 --> 00:40:13,840 Democrats, so they're doing just general Democrat protection mode. I don't know, 532 00:40:14,760 --> 00:40:17,000 but it's weird. Do you think it might have to do with just Hawaii 533 00:40:17,079 --> 00:40:22,119 is a weird geographically, this outlying state, and I don't know that, 534 00:40:22,440 --> 00:40:25,079 you know, I don't know, maybe we don't treat it like we would 535 00:40:25,079 --> 00:40:28,960 California or something like that. I don't know, of course, it's I 536 00:40:28,960 --> 00:40:31,119 mean, it's like, how what was it when the smoke from the Canadian 537 00:40:31,159 --> 00:40:35,639 fires? Also not enough coverage of that. By the way, when it 538 00:40:35,760 --> 00:40:38,119 finally hit New York City. In DC, people were like, did you 539 00:40:38,199 --> 00:40:43,239 know there's smoke in the United States. It was like, we've known there's 540 00:40:43,280 --> 00:40:47,079 smoke in the United States four months and you didn't care because it wasn't in 541 00:40:47,079 --> 00:40:52,320 your precious corridor. So if there aren't unless it's there, yeah, yeah, 542 00:40:52,360 --> 00:40:54,000 if there were a fire in New Jersey, it would be leading the 543 00:40:54,039 --> 00:40:58,199 news, if there had been a destruction like this leading the news. It 544 00:40:58,280 --> 00:41:00,920 is partly because it's so far away, but that's point like, it's also 545 00:41:00,960 --> 00:41:07,000 a vacation destination, So why aren't Why aren't all all of the talking heads 546 00:41:07,039 --> 00:41:09,039 on a plane out there too? I saw Will will Cain. You know 547 00:41:09,079 --> 00:41:12,519 it's with Fox News now I know a long time he was out there, 548 00:41:12,519 --> 00:41:15,199 and he said he was saying that there's literally he doesn't see another media, 549 00:41:15,679 --> 00:41:22,199 major media outlet out there, which is kind of insane. The other big 550 00:41:22,199 --> 00:41:24,719 story this week, and it is that everyone's pretending to like this song. 551 00:41:24,840 --> 00:41:30,599 Richmond North of Richmond, North of Richmond right, very populous song, and 552 00:41:30,599 --> 00:41:35,039 of course it was immediately politicized by everyone. I'm sure you don't. There's 553 00:41:35,079 --> 00:41:37,360 no way you enjoy this song, your listeners. I would like you to 554 00:41:37,440 --> 00:41:42,199 know that when David said he wanted to talk about this right before we got 555 00:41:42,239 --> 00:41:44,800 on the call, I asked him to listen to what I was listening to 556 00:41:45,039 --> 00:41:49,280 at that moment, and it was Richmond North of Richmond, because I like 557 00:41:49,320 --> 00:41:52,719 to wake up and listen to this song because it's I don't know, it's 558 00:41:52,760 --> 00:42:00,920 just as evidenced by the let's just see on this YouTube link alone. Oh, 559 00:42:00,960 --> 00:42:05,239 I'm gonna ste seventeen million views. And you think we're faking it that 560 00:42:05,320 --> 00:42:08,960 we like this song, David Harshani, I don't think everyone is faking it. 561 00:42:09,000 --> 00:42:12,800 I'm not saying you're faking it, but I do think there is a 562 00:42:13,199 --> 00:42:17,960 like a bit of virtue signaling on the right where they want to you know, 563 00:42:19,280 --> 00:42:22,360 they pretend like they're all just work, you know, like something rural 564 00:42:22,400 --> 00:42:24,320 person or working class person can do no wrong, and that you know, 565 00:42:24,480 --> 00:42:29,039 they're just this kind of a victimhood mentality that comes with this. I don't 566 00:42:29,079 --> 00:42:30,480 like the song itself. It's just not my cup of tea in general, 567 00:42:30,559 --> 00:42:35,199 but I also think the lyrics don't are kind of ridiculous. I don't want 568 00:42:35,239 --> 00:42:37,840 to like bash the guy. I mean, you know, he's you know, 569 00:42:37,880 --> 00:42:40,480 I wish him the best, but find this kind of like rallying around 570 00:42:42,639 --> 00:42:45,800 of this kind of virtue signaling off putting when the right does it just as 571 00:42:45,880 --> 00:42:47,079 much as the laugh does it. But you know, I don't know. 572 00:42:47,119 --> 00:42:50,800 I don't really want to go get into this argument. I do because I 573 00:42:50,880 --> 00:42:52,400 would like to make fun of you right now. So let me read you 574 00:42:52,400 --> 00:42:55,440 a letter I got from someone, which I think done. Okay, go 575 00:42:55,480 --> 00:43:00,280 on, So before we do that, I had like a thousand pe will 576 00:43:00,320 --> 00:43:04,119 send me National reviews attack on this song, and they were like, he 577 00:43:04,159 --> 00:43:08,480 should have talked about the wonders of capitalism. That would have made a fine, 578 00:43:09,039 --> 00:43:13,079 fine song, wouldn't it. I feel like you could have written this. 579 00:43:13,119 --> 00:43:15,559 Maybe you did ghost write that piece. No, I didn't write that 580 00:43:15,599 --> 00:43:16,679 piece. One of things is great about this, I mean, this is 581 00:43:16,719 --> 00:43:22,440 clearly this guy does not even have a recording contract or didn't at the time. 582 00:43:22,760 --> 00:43:25,400 It was he had been taping songs on his iPhone, which I know 583 00:43:25,480 --> 00:43:30,079 because I went down this Oliver Anthony rabbit Hole. And I like a lot 584 00:43:30,119 --> 00:43:32,159 of those songs, but they don't sound great. This is the first one 585 00:43:32,159 --> 00:43:37,320 that actually sounds great beause it was on professional recording equipment for this radio thing 586 00:43:37,480 --> 00:43:40,840 or whatever, and it has such I'm not saying it's like the most perfectly 587 00:43:40,840 --> 00:43:45,199 composed song in the history of the universe. Of course, this guy is 588 00:43:45,800 --> 00:43:50,320 just getting started. He just decided to move forward on his dream of singing 589 00:43:50,320 --> 00:43:55,559 and writing and singing songs. But it does resonate like it it has. 590 00:43:57,280 --> 00:44:01,760 It has some great lines, it has great feel. It's a viral sensation 591 00:44:01,840 --> 00:44:12,159 globally because it There is this problem that rich mend North of Richmond want total 592 00:44:12,199 --> 00:44:15,159 control of our lives, and that the way that they're running things is horrible. 593 00:44:15,159 --> 00:44:20,440 And this could have been written like twenty years ago too, or a 594 00:44:20,480 --> 00:44:22,599 long time ago, I should say, like ten years ago, about how 595 00:44:23,039 --> 00:44:28,239 the Richmond North of Richmond had taken over, you know, like too big 596 00:44:28,280 --> 00:44:31,079 to fail, and how they handled like that crisis, or how they fight 597 00:44:31,159 --> 00:44:36,719 our wars without NYE toward winning, or how they claim to care about national 598 00:44:36,760 --> 00:44:39,519 sovereignty. But they have a border that's completely overrun. And I'm sorry that 599 00:44:39,559 --> 00:44:44,239 you're upset David that people actually care about these things and how it affects our 600 00:44:44,280 --> 00:44:49,239 lives. But a lot of us do feel very frustrated that these powerful people 601 00:44:49,480 --> 00:44:52,360 who don't care and think that we don't know what's going on are doing a 602 00:44:52,400 --> 00:44:57,639 lot to destroy the country. And you know, just having someone speak to 603 00:44:57,679 --> 00:45:01,880 it is great and odd think even though it was political in a sense, 604 00:45:01,920 --> 00:45:05,159 to me, it's also not political. It's just sort of been that. 605 00:45:05,760 --> 00:45:07,239 I don't know how to explain it. Just it's a it's a good protest 606 00:45:07,320 --> 00:45:12,079 song with a lot of heart, and I can see why so many people 607 00:45:12,119 --> 00:45:14,719 liked it. But yeah, go ahead and read your story about go ahead 608 00:45:14,719 --> 00:45:17,559 and read your lot. Well now you know, I mean I am not 609 00:45:17,840 --> 00:45:23,039 a proponent of empowering people to lord over the lives of others, as you 610 00:45:23,119 --> 00:45:27,039 know, I mean, like that twenty year track record of not wanting that 611 00:45:27,079 --> 00:45:30,119 to be, you know, to happen. But I think that there's a 612 00:45:30,159 --> 00:45:35,440 propensity of people when you get into this class warfare stuff that is a very 613 00:45:35,480 --> 00:45:40,119 Unamerican really in some ways, to pretend like all their troubles are there only 614 00:45:40,159 --> 00:45:46,280 because some guy or some shadowy powerful person is not looking out for miners or 615 00:45:46,840 --> 00:45:50,480 we have nothing to eat because of them. I mean, that's just it's 616 00:45:50,480 --> 00:45:52,960 just not true. We're a wealthy country. There are lots of opportunities for 617 00:45:53,000 --> 00:45:57,360 people to do well. And I just think that when we become vic, 618 00:45:57,440 --> 00:46:00,159 when we make ourselves into victims, that we don't have to be a problem. 619 00:46:00,239 --> 00:46:04,159 Like, let me just go back to remember when Kevin Williamson wrote that 620 00:46:04,199 --> 00:46:07,639 piece about how people should move out of bad places, and everyone who has 621 00:46:07,760 --> 00:46:12,280 literally moved from places to get better opportunities. Almost everyone I know has done 622 00:46:12,280 --> 00:46:15,280 that. You know, it was just horrified by that idea. But that's 623 00:46:15,280 --> 00:46:20,119 an American idea. We have industries that die and people have to move. 624 00:46:20,880 --> 00:46:25,599 It happens all the time, and we pretend like that people can't take charge 625 00:46:25,599 --> 00:46:29,119 of their own lives and make it better, but that they have to sit 626 00:46:29,159 --> 00:46:30,199 around and wait for something. You know, it's funny about this kind of 627 00:46:30,239 --> 00:46:36,239 song. It's actually he's asking for people to fix problems that he can fix 628 00:46:36,320 --> 00:46:44,920 himself. And that's what bothers me. Go on, I had to finish 629 00:46:44,960 --> 00:46:51,760 my thought. Okay, So it is actually horrific when you have people destroy 630 00:46:51,880 --> 00:46:57,440 communities through policy making, there's a loss that happens when you move away from 631 00:46:57,440 --> 00:47:00,000 your family, and I know that, and I don't just treating it like 632 00:47:00,400 --> 00:47:05,599 frivolously, like just oh, you don't like what's happening in your area because 633 00:47:05,639 --> 00:47:10,880 we moved manufacturing too across the world. Will just move to a place where 634 00:47:12,000 --> 00:47:15,760 you will be disconnected from your family and they won't be able to help with 635 00:47:15,800 --> 00:47:17,719 the raising of children and the inculcation of values, Like why don't you just 636 00:47:17,760 --> 00:47:23,760 do that? There are losses associated with It's not that even that the like 637 00:47:24,079 --> 00:47:28,519 thing is wrong. Obviously we all are descended from people who moved at some 638 00:47:28,599 --> 00:47:32,280 point. But to be so cavalier about it and not to acknowledge the pain 639 00:47:32,320 --> 00:47:37,199 and loss and the downsides that come with these things is a problem. And 640 00:47:37,719 --> 00:47:42,480 I cannot believe you would defend a piece like that. That is so I 641 00:47:43,599 --> 00:47:46,519 don't feel about what people to go through. I don't have it in front 642 00:47:46,519 --> 00:47:49,599 of me, but I'm pretty sure he talks about that. I mean, 643 00:47:49,639 --> 00:47:52,440 I agree with everything you just said. It is not ideal to have to 644 00:47:52,480 --> 00:47:55,000 move away from your family, and I think we have a problem with that 645 00:47:55,039 --> 00:48:00,519 in this country, where there aren't stronger communities that are built around Frankly, 646 00:48:00,599 --> 00:48:04,400 churches and family, and I get that, but you know we're pretending that 647 00:48:04,480 --> 00:48:08,199 jobs are moved away to hurt someone here or to break you know, to 648 00:48:08,519 --> 00:48:14,800 benefit one person. No, it benefits working class people benefit from cheaper products, 649 00:48:14,920 --> 00:48:19,360 and a lot of that is automation and technology and not thinking or policy. 650 00:48:19,599 --> 00:48:22,559 You think if you mock people who are down and out, and have 651 00:48:22,639 --> 00:48:27,559 I mocked anyone for not moving? You think that's like speaking truth to power. 652 00:48:27,599 --> 00:48:30,519 I don't want to mock people for not God forbid, you actually tell 653 00:48:30,559 --> 00:48:32,880 the people who are actually in power that the way they're doing things is wrong. 654 00:48:32,960 --> 00:48:40,320 Like we have. Everyone just speaks truth quote unquote to the little guy, 655 00:48:40,800 --> 00:48:45,960 and they don't do anything to change problems at the top. And then 656 00:48:45,960 --> 00:48:51,119 you have someone who doesn't. You call it virtue signaling. I don't even 657 00:48:51,199 --> 00:48:52,320 understand what you're talking about. How How do I don't? I mean, 658 00:48:52,599 --> 00:48:54,559 I won't I want to change things at the top. I think they have 659 00:48:54,599 --> 00:48:58,880 too much control, too much control over people's lives. And so when someone 660 00:48:58,920 --> 00:49:00,719 sings that, you call it signaling. No, it's not. The virtue 661 00:49:00,760 --> 00:49:04,280 signaling is first of all, a lot of the stuff he says doesn't make 662 00:49:04,320 --> 00:49:07,039 sense to me. But that's not the virtue signaling. The virtue signaling is 663 00:49:07,400 --> 00:49:10,880 that this idea that's conspiratorial. I think in some way that just a few 664 00:49:10,880 --> 00:49:15,559 people are controlling all these things in everyone's lives, which is just not true. 665 00:49:15,800 --> 00:49:19,639 I think that we become we let There are a lot of Richmond north 666 00:49:19,679 --> 00:49:22,440 of Richmond, so I don't think it's just a few people. It's a 667 00:49:22,559 --> 00:49:28,719 lot of all. Rich people are just in some devious way, vampires who 668 00:49:28,719 --> 00:49:30,400 live off the blood of the little guy. I mean, you don't believe 669 00:49:30,440 --> 00:49:36,039 that that's true in this country. It's not zero sum proposition. Rich people 670 00:49:36,079 --> 00:49:38,760 can get rich, and there's tons of people, tons of people in this 671 00:49:38,800 --> 00:49:42,559 country over the last thirty forty years who have moved from the working class to 672 00:49:42,599 --> 00:49:45,679 the middle class and middle classes growing. Everyone keeps saying it's shrinking. That's 673 00:49:45,760 --> 00:49:51,239 just not true, and that doesn't mean that the plight of these people is 674 00:49:51,760 --> 00:49:52,679 that they're making it up. I know that there are a lot of people 675 00:49:52,719 --> 00:49:54,800 suffering in this country. We have to figure out how to help them. 676 00:49:55,159 --> 00:50:00,000 But helping them by I mean, I don't understand. Like he mentioned, 677 00:50:00,000 --> 00:50:02,199 it was like Jeffrey Epstein in this song, it's just kind of like, 678 00:50:02,719 --> 00:50:07,280 you know, what does that have to do with him drinking? Yeah? 679 00:50:07,280 --> 00:50:13,280 What, Oh David, I'm sorry, I have to do with miners. 680 00:50:13,360 --> 00:50:15,760 I don't understand the connection in those two things. Yeah, I just I 681 00:50:15,760 --> 00:50:19,360 think I've said this before, but I used to get you know, when 682 00:50:19,400 --> 00:50:22,599 you're when you're writing things, you get a lot of emails from people who 683 00:50:22,599 --> 00:50:25,199 have like story ideas, And I have my like conspiracy theory bucket where people 684 00:50:25,199 --> 00:50:29,679 are like, you know, back when I was at a newspaper, we'd 685 00:50:29,679 --> 00:50:32,159 actually get like typewritten things from the federal prison and I would say, like, 686 00:50:32,280 --> 00:50:36,199 the Feds are controlling me by putting a chip in my brain. You 687 00:50:36,199 --> 00:50:38,239 know, you just sort of put that in the file of this is conspiracy 688 00:50:38,280 --> 00:50:42,519 mail. So I used to get all of these emails from people that would 689 00:50:42,559 --> 00:50:49,400 say that there was a powerful man connected to powerful figures who was engaged in 690 00:50:49,480 --> 00:50:52,360 like a pedophile ring, and I'm like, these people are crazy, who 691 00:50:52,400 --> 00:50:57,840 could possibly believe this is true? And then it turned out that in fact, 692 00:50:58,280 --> 00:51:01,639 a very powerful man with connect two very powerful figures like Bill Clinton, 693 00:51:01,800 --> 00:51:08,440 former President of the United States and Prince Andrew Is that right was engaged in 694 00:51:08,440 --> 00:51:14,039 a global pedophile ring and you're mad at someone for like, are you literally 695 00:51:14,039 --> 00:51:17,199 calling it like a conspiracy theory that that existed, because it's not. It 696 00:51:17,360 --> 00:51:21,639 really is true. No, I'm not mad for so, I'm not mad 697 00:51:21,639 --> 00:51:24,039 at this guy at all or anything like that. You've just got mad at 698 00:51:24,119 --> 00:51:29,400 him for mentioning it. I'm not mad at him. I'm saying that the 699 00:51:29,440 --> 00:51:35,280 song itself is kind of a hodgepodge of conspiratorial thinking. I don't. I'm 700 00:51:35,320 --> 00:51:37,280 not saying that nothing happened on that island. Of course stuff happened on but 701 00:51:37,320 --> 00:51:40,199 what does that have to do with miners and the government not taking care of 702 00:51:40,239 --> 00:51:45,280 miners. It's just a weird hodgepodge of complaints, That's all I'm saying. 703 00:51:45,800 --> 00:51:46,920 I didn't. I'm not the one who made this song viral. I'm not 704 00:51:46,960 --> 00:51:50,800 the one who's telling you know, who's out there saying I must listen to 705 00:51:50,800 --> 00:51:53,079 this or you know that it you know it's a great protests on if you're 706 00:51:53,079 --> 00:51:57,480 going to say it's a great protest song I've ever write talking about Travis's letter 707 00:51:57,559 --> 00:52:00,639 to you. You know what them with these arguments when we have over problem 708 00:52:00,760 --> 00:52:04,000 is that they need to be more structured, Like where I'm all over the 709 00:52:04,000 --> 00:52:05,880 place. My mind is all over the place. This is why I'm a 710 00:52:05,880 --> 00:52:07,320 writer. I just actually I was like, we're going to move on, 711 00:52:07,320 --> 00:52:10,519 because I think everyone can tell that you're wrong, So I'm not going to 712 00:52:10,639 --> 00:52:15,960 like, Okay, Well, this letter writer says that, mister Osani, 713 00:52:15,239 --> 00:52:17,239 which is very nice for him to call me that way. I'm not sure 714 00:52:17,239 --> 00:52:21,880 if he means that. You say you have no idea what Republican voters think. 715 00:52:22,480 --> 00:52:25,239 Well, admitting you have a problem is only step one. You have 716 00:52:25,280 --> 00:52:30,599 a professional responsibility to seek out why Republican voters think, feel and act the 717 00:52:30,639 --> 00:52:37,400 way they do if you're going to continue to commentate on their choices. Well, 718 00:52:37,440 --> 00:52:40,320 I never admitted I had a problem. I never admitted I had it. 719 00:52:40,320 --> 00:52:44,119 I don't think it's a problem for me not to bore into the souls 720 00:52:44,119 --> 00:52:49,199 of millions of people too. I don't have any such professional responsibility, But 721 00:52:49,239 --> 00:52:51,519 go on, say what you I just want to say, apart from the 722 00:52:51,679 --> 00:52:54,400 I know that when people write and have personal comments that that's what we dwell 723 00:52:54,480 --> 00:52:58,920 on. But I actually thought, like everything above that was really smart from 724 00:52:58,960 --> 00:53:05,280 this guy, setting aside, you're whatever you're talking about here, where he 725 00:53:05,360 --> 00:53:12,159 was just explaining why the santists approach of attacking Trump has not worked out well 726 00:53:12,199 --> 00:53:16,239 for him, and he had a bunch of different reasons why, but one 727 00:53:16,239 --> 00:53:22,000 of the things he was noting was that supporting Trump came with costs that never 728 00:53:22,079 --> 00:53:27,440 were associated with supporting Bush or Romney or McCain. They Trump supporters lost their 729 00:53:27,440 --> 00:53:30,639 friendships, Brothers and sisters stopped talking to each other. There are parents whose 730 00:53:30,719 --> 00:53:35,960 children disowned them, and grandparents who will never see their grandchildren again because they 731 00:53:36,000 --> 00:53:40,119 stood by Donald Trump. Every Republican has these stories. Every Republican knows Republicans 732 00:53:40,159 --> 00:53:45,519 who have these stories. Attacking Trump as Desantists did was effectively telling the people 733 00:53:45,519 --> 00:53:49,440 who made real sacrifices that they were stupid for doing so because Trump is just 734 00:53:49,519 --> 00:53:54,039 a poser. It's a great political analysis of why the Desantist campaign has failed 735 00:53:54,119 --> 00:53:58,719 as much as it has. And I thought that was just smart for him 736 00:53:58,800 --> 00:54:02,199 to bring up that point that I hadn't really thought about the personal costs associated 737 00:54:02,679 --> 00:54:08,119 with what it was like to be a Republican from twenty fifteen to the present. 738 00:54:09,079 --> 00:54:13,039 I only care about personal attacks. I don't Once I saw that I 739 00:54:13,119 --> 00:54:15,920 didn't care what he said, no, so then when he says, you 740 00:54:15,039 --> 00:54:19,239 say that you have no idea what Repulican voters think and admitting you have a 741 00:54:19,239 --> 00:54:24,039 problem is only like, that's actually I didn't even support Donald Trump and I 742 00:54:24,119 --> 00:54:28,280 had that happened to me. I mean, I mean, I don't I 743 00:54:28,320 --> 00:54:31,239 don't think that that's how can I say, I don't think that that's a 744 00:54:31,280 --> 00:54:36,079 reason not to support the sance. I don't really understand how those two are 745 00:54:36,119 --> 00:54:38,440 connected. In the sense that you've supported Donald Trump, do you have to 746 00:54:38,440 --> 00:54:42,039 support him the rest of your life no matter what he does because there was 747 00:54:42,039 --> 00:54:45,400 a high cost to supporting him initially. I just I don't think that. 748 00:54:45,400 --> 00:54:51,159 As this reader also pointed out, instead of going with the approach of you're 749 00:54:51,159 --> 00:54:53,320 an idiot if you support this guy, he should have done more at the 750 00:54:53,400 --> 00:54:59,239 Vivacu Ramaswami approach of not attacking Trump voters. You know, like, it's 751 00:54:59,280 --> 00:55:02,880 actually, just when did De Santa say you're an idiot for supporting this guy? 752 00:55:02,880 --> 00:55:07,239 I don't like he said anything like that. I'm just saying I think 753 00:55:07,239 --> 00:55:10,519 he's saying Donald I listen, I'm going to be honest with you. I 754 00:55:10,559 --> 00:55:15,639 don't think that anything would have been different if he took a different approach or 755 00:55:15,679 --> 00:55:17,119 didn't take a different approach. I think that he's going to have a tough 756 00:55:17,159 --> 00:55:22,039 time because Donald Trump is the center of the world's attention and that he's the 757 00:55:22,079 --> 00:55:25,800 incumbent, and it's going to be impossible to very difficult to knock him off. 758 00:55:25,880 --> 00:55:30,239 I don't know. Everyone pretends that DeSantis isn't doing well because of this 759 00:55:30,280 --> 00:55:34,039 approach or that approach. I don't just I don't know that there's any approach 760 00:55:34,039 --> 00:55:37,000 that's going to make him more successful. So I have always felt like there 761 00:55:37,079 --> 00:55:40,960 was a fatal flaw in just entering the race for DeSantis, meaning like, 762 00:55:42,559 --> 00:55:44,559 if you do it, you have to do it in a way that you 763 00:55:44,599 --> 00:55:47,800 can both take out the top dog, but also do it in a way 764 00:55:49,159 --> 00:55:52,599 that does not hurt any of those voters who are with the top dog, 765 00:55:52,719 --> 00:55:57,480 Like that's a very challenging job, and they chose to just have a completely 766 00:55:57,519 --> 00:56:00,920 different approach. We'll see how that goes. But I was talking with Vivek 767 00:56:00,039 --> 00:56:06,119 Ramaswamy about his approach, which is what this what this Travis writer was saying 768 00:56:06,159 --> 00:56:08,800 should be done, And he was saying, yeah, if DeSantis had done 769 00:56:09,000 --> 00:56:14,159 his own approach, like what Vivek is doing then Vivek would be going nowhere 770 00:56:14,800 --> 00:56:20,480 vague. But but because DeSantis is trying this other like sort of Ted Cruz 771 00:56:20,559 --> 00:56:24,719 Marco Rubio kind of campaign and it's not going very well, Vec has has 772 00:56:24,760 --> 00:56:27,880 been able to kind of do well. I mean, he's beating Ron De 773 00:56:27,960 --> 00:56:30,760 Santis in certain polls like that is insane. Yeah, I don't believe that 774 00:56:30,880 --> 00:56:36,000 at all. I don't believe those polls at all because it's has Vivek Ramaswamy 775 00:56:36,000 --> 00:56:39,719 at at thirteen percent or whatever. I don't even think thirteen percent of Republicans 776 00:56:39,840 --> 00:56:43,559 know who he is, So I don't actually buy that at all. I 777 00:56:43,719 --> 00:56:45,280 like to talk to I like to talk to people all the time about who 778 00:56:45,320 --> 00:56:49,599 they support or whatnot. And I will say every time I talk to either 779 00:56:49,639 --> 00:56:52,719 a Trump voter or a Ron De Santis voter, well, until a couple 780 00:56:52,760 --> 00:56:57,079 weeks ago, they would all say that Vevec was there, was like a 781 00:56:57,119 --> 00:57:00,400 surprisingly good candidate. So I'm not I'm not super surprised that he's doing so 782 00:57:00,480 --> 00:57:04,159 well. All right, well we'll get that next time. Let's get to 783 00:57:04,320 --> 00:57:07,360 let's get out of politics. So it's been a very contentious I'm sorry, 784 00:57:07,400 --> 00:57:10,679 we should not do these really early in the morning. I know, I 785 00:57:10,719 --> 00:57:15,480 feel like I've didn't go here, and but it's okay. So I'm back 786 00:57:15,519 --> 00:57:19,599 on my seventies movie watching binge. So I watched a movie called Night Moves 787 00:57:19,599 --> 00:57:23,039 with Gene Hackman. I loved it. It's a man movie. Who did 788 00:57:23,039 --> 00:57:27,599 Bonnie and Clyde in the sixties. I watched Dillinger Have you ever heard of 789 00:57:27,639 --> 00:57:30,360 This? With Warren Oates, who I love. That's a John Millius movie. 790 00:57:30,679 --> 00:57:35,559 I think it's his first movie. I loved it. I thought it 791 00:57:35,599 --> 00:57:38,239 was great. I watched a Thomas Crown Affair, which actually might be a 792 00:57:38,239 --> 00:57:43,719 sixties movie, but that was I thought highly overrated, really fun to look 793 00:57:43,760 --> 00:57:50,079 at, but I just think the story is real thin and not that great. 794 00:57:50,159 --> 00:57:52,559 And then I wanted to quickly talk about a movie I watched. So 795 00:57:52,599 --> 00:57:58,280 Martin Scorsese in the sixties did a little documentary called Italian American where he interviews 796 00:57:58,320 --> 00:58:01,400 his parents in their little Italy apartment. It talks about the Italian experience in 797 00:58:01,440 --> 00:58:06,960 New York and immigration and all that. It is just so fantastic. I 798 00:58:07,000 --> 00:58:10,960 just loved it. I loved watching it. I really highly recommend it. 799 00:58:09,960 --> 00:58:15,320 An Italian American one word, It's with his mom and dad and they talk 800 00:58:15,400 --> 00:58:19,880 about just really like very how can I say as salt of the earth, 801 00:58:20,039 --> 00:58:22,039 you know, people, I don't know if I'm interested in it because of 802 00:58:22,039 --> 00:58:23,239 where I grew up or not. But I mean, if if, if, 803 00:58:23,280 --> 00:58:28,079 if, if that's something that appeals to I'd watch it. You get 804 00:58:28,119 --> 00:58:30,320 when you watch it, you're like, oh, this is where Scorsese gets 805 00:58:30,360 --> 00:58:34,000 his dialogue from, you know, like this kind of the way they speak, 806 00:58:34,039 --> 00:58:36,519 the way they speak about the world, and the way they it's just 807 00:58:36,800 --> 00:58:39,920 kind of an incredible sort of peek into into that world. So I would 808 00:58:40,039 --> 00:58:45,440 highly recommend that it's on HBO, I believe, And then I rewatched. 809 00:58:45,000 --> 00:58:47,639 The last one is Battle of Algiers, which I think is actually from the 810 00:58:47,679 --> 00:58:54,119 sixties. It's a French movie about self evidently the battle for Algiers during the 811 00:58:54,239 --> 00:59:00,920 Revolution. There that's that's my list. How about you anything. I haven't 812 00:59:00,920 --> 00:59:07,320 really watched anything because I've been traveling. I went up to Connecticut for a 813 00:59:07,400 --> 00:59:10,559 Hillsdale event that was so much fun. We did. Hillsdale just puts on 814 00:59:10,599 --> 00:59:14,559 great events, if I might say, we did their cruise this summer. 815 00:59:14,639 --> 00:59:16,960 We had. We loved not just the event, but we met a lot 816 00:59:16,960 --> 00:59:21,360 of nice people. And then similarly, we went up to Connecticut for this 817 00:59:22,159 --> 00:59:25,880 speech and it was a great crowd. There were some friends there, I 818 00:59:25,960 --> 00:59:32,280 met other people that were nice. And then I went to Colorado and saw 819 00:59:32,320 --> 00:59:37,000 my parents. We celebrated my dad's fiftieth anniversary of his ordination into Holy ministry. 820 00:59:37,119 --> 00:59:43,079 It was great, had a picnic at the church, got to see 821 00:59:43,599 --> 00:59:50,360 in lots of family. And the other night I went to see Phoenix and 822 00:59:50,480 --> 00:59:55,960 Beck at Red Rocks. Okay, never, first of all, Red Rocks. 823 00:59:57,599 --> 01:00:00,400 I've heard of Red Rocks. Haven't you been to any shows at Rocks. 824 01:00:00,559 --> 01:00:04,440 I'm not not a like rock show. I think I've been here though. 825 01:00:04,719 --> 01:00:07,239 Okay, David, you should go and go see a show there. 826 01:00:07,239 --> 01:00:13,039 It is out of this world. It's a natural amphitheater built into these I 827 01:00:13,079 --> 01:00:16,039 don't know what you know exactly the type of rocks you call these things are. 828 01:00:16,119 --> 01:00:21,679 It is amazing sound, it's a gorgeous setting. It is just an 829 01:00:21,719 --> 01:00:28,199 experience like none other. And we were driving out Tristan, our staff writer, 830 01:00:28,400 --> 01:00:30,800 lives out there, and I'd gone to see him, and then we 831 01:00:30,800 --> 01:00:35,800 were driving back by Red Rocks and I was like, I'll just see what 832 01:00:35,800 --> 01:00:39,000 shows are out there, and it said that on Monday and Tuesday and Wednesday 833 01:00:39,079 --> 01:00:45,119 night that Phoenix and Beck were playing. Oh well, that would be great. 834 01:00:45,599 --> 01:00:49,280 Is it Phoenix and beca band? Or is this Beck? And then 835 01:00:49,320 --> 01:00:52,480 something called Phoenix two headliners? How do you not know who Phoenix are? 836 01:00:52,920 --> 01:00:55,159 You should be into Phoenix. They're great. You would really I think you 837 01:00:55,199 --> 01:01:00,960 would really really like them. And both of those shows were both of them 838 01:01:00,960 --> 01:01:06,280 were just like so great. And Japanese Breakfast opened up and we my children 839 01:01:06,320 --> 01:01:09,440 and I like Japanese Breakfast, so we just had a great, great experience 840 01:01:09,599 --> 01:01:15,840 and it was really fun. The Red Rocks has been famous since you two 841 01:01:16,000 --> 01:01:19,599 put out didn't YouTube put on at alpen of Red Rocks or something in the 842 01:01:19,639 --> 01:01:22,559 eighties, I think, oh yeah. And one of the great things was 843 01:01:22,599 --> 01:01:24,480 that Phoenix I think that that might have been their first time playing there. 844 01:01:24,519 --> 01:01:28,719 So they were just clearly like just taking it all in, like this is 845 01:01:28,800 --> 01:01:31,880 so cool. And Beck had said it's the highlight of their North American tour 846 01:01:31,960 --> 01:01:37,400 to be there because it's just like such a great venue, as everybody says. 847 01:01:37,440 --> 01:01:39,400 Okay, And then I also got some records at the concert. I 848 01:01:39,480 --> 01:01:44,559 got some records, some back and some Phoenix. But I also went to 849 01:01:44,599 --> 01:01:46,880 this record store in castle Rock that is a record store I've been going to 850 01:01:47,880 --> 01:01:52,840 for decades. I didn't even know there was a record store in castle Rock. 851 01:01:52,880 --> 01:01:55,039 I would have gone there for sure. I think it's where I got 852 01:01:55,079 --> 01:02:00,440 my cassette tape of Sugarcubes Life's Too Good. I had like five cassette tapes 853 01:02:00,440 --> 01:02:05,519 before I was like, I'm going back to Vinyl. And I got a 854 01:02:05,599 --> 01:02:09,079 Jesus and Mary Chain dark Lands album, which is the second album. Yeah, 855 01:02:09,159 --> 01:02:15,840 and then two Joy Division. So I'm happy postpund little dark, dark 856 01:02:15,960 --> 01:02:20,559 post punk music. I love, you know. If I had to like 857 01:02:20,719 --> 01:02:22,800 end my top, let's say a hundred, because I listened to a lot 858 01:02:22,840 --> 01:02:24,920 of music, but I would say that Psychocandy by Jesus and Mary Chain is 859 01:02:24,960 --> 01:02:29,039 in there. I think it's one of the great albums of all time. 860 01:02:29,559 --> 01:02:34,039 Dark Lands is a little like more popish but still still good. Oh we 861 01:02:34,519 --> 01:02:38,280 have our outra music. Awesome. Sometimes I'm like, oh my god, 862 01:02:38,280 --> 01:02:43,280 we didn't mention any any bands. I don't know what to do. Yeah, 863 01:02:43,800 --> 01:02:45,719 all right, that sounds like fun. I'm into Colorado in a while. 864 01:02:45,920 --> 01:02:49,760 I wish if anyone's out there wants to invite me to any events in 865 01:02:49,800 --> 01:02:52,159 Colorado, please do. I would love to go out there. I do 866 01:02:52,239 --> 01:02:54,639 not hear good things, though. I hear like it's kind of going to 867 01:02:54,800 --> 01:02:59,960 Denverse kind of a mess these days. And I was talking to family who 868 01:03:00,000 --> 01:03:04,360 live in Denver and they're all basically feeling like it's now gotten so bad that 869 01:03:04,400 --> 01:03:07,719 they need to leave and they're thinking about how to how to get out. 870 01:03:07,760 --> 01:03:09,880 It's crazy. When I moved there, it was like the place to move. 871 01:03:09,920 --> 01:03:14,239 Everyone was talking about Denver and how beautiful and how clean and how you 872 01:03:14,239 --> 01:03:16,960 know, great it was. And now you know, so in Douglas County, 873 01:03:16,960 --> 01:03:20,719 which is right south of Denver, is amazing and beautiful. And it 874 01:03:20,800 --> 01:03:22,960 used to be this like hardcore Republican county. I think it is becoming more 875 01:03:23,039 --> 01:03:28,159 Democrat, and I'm not totally surprised. It was reminding me of when I 876 01:03:28,159 --> 01:03:30,440 was in high school. I had one of these artsy artsy friends who was 877 01:03:30,599 --> 01:03:37,360 a little bit of a rebel, and he desecrated the signs that said Douglas 878 01:03:37,360 --> 01:03:40,719 County, where where quality of life comes first, and he changed it so 879 01:03:40,760 --> 01:03:45,119 it said where quantity of life comes first. And that was like a statement 880 01:03:45,159 --> 01:03:50,519 about how many people were moving in, and that guy would be like in 881 01:03:50,800 --> 01:03:53,719 apoplectic with rage at this point, like it's just so much building, no 882 01:03:53,880 --> 01:03:59,480 water, just no problem though, everyone just build the build apart. Even 883 01:03:59,519 --> 01:04:02,920 when I was you can see the sort of southern suburbs of Denver sort of 884 01:04:02,960 --> 01:04:06,440 meeting up with like like it'll just be Castle Rock. Well, you know, 885 01:04:06,440 --> 01:04:10,800 it'll just be all suburbs to Denver at some point, which is a 886 01:04:10,840 --> 01:04:15,039 shame. Okay, Well, it was nice speaking to you this early morning. 887 01:04:15,079 --> 01:04:16,519 I hope what we said. What I said made some sense, but 888 01:04:16,760 --> 01:04:19,239 we'll be back, but we cannot. Yeah, next week, we do 889 01:04:19,280 --> 01:04:24,920 it at a normal, proper civilized hour and we fight with us. No, 890 01:04:25,000 --> 01:04:28,280 I think we should fight, but we have to have a more rules 891 01:04:28,320 --> 01:04:30,840 to fighting. Yeah, we need rules to what we're going to talk about, 892 01:04:30,880 --> 01:04:32,880 because you spring questions on me that I'm not prepared for in arguments. 893 01:04:32,880 --> 01:04:35,920 I'm unprepared for it early in the morning. It's funny because it's really not 894 01:04:35,960 --> 01:04:41,599 that early, just for us, right early, yeah, exactly. Okay, 895 01:04:41,599 --> 01:04:43,559 Well until that, we'll see you next week and until then, be 896 01:04:43,639 --> 01:04:49,280 lovers of freedom and anxious for the fray. It was