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the Huge Show three till six, Bill Simonson with his huge opinions on a
lot of things that we're talking about. I said just before the break,
Victor Webbin Yama, unanimous Rookie of the Year, third spur to do it.
He is just the fourth player to ever record fifteen hundred points, two
hundred and fifty assists, and two hundred and fifty blocks in a season.
Do you know the other three? One I've already mentioned. David Robinson he
did it twice, a Keem Elijah On arguably my favorite center, he did
it twice. And Kareem abdul Jabbar did it five times. I think Kareem
Abdul Jabbar is an underrated player forever. It seemed like he was the leading
scorer in the history of the league until Lebron James overtook him earlier this year.
When people talk about the greatest player of all time, what names do
you hear you just don't hear Kareem Abdul Jabbar enough. I say the same
thing about Ty Cobb and Pete Rose to a certain extent. Pete Rose one
of the greatest hitters of all time. Ty Cobb one of the greatest players
of all time, and people forget Ty Cobb was in the inaugural Hall of
Fame class. He received more votes than anybody. But you don't hear his
name being brought up as much. And I know, I know nobody saw
him show. Yeah, I get it, But you could go back and
look at numbers and look at statistics and look at articles and stuff, can't
you. Yes, phone number on the Meyer hotline eight sixty six eight three,
eight forty eight forty three. We'll get to what pat Riley had to
say about one of his stars here in a moment. Let's go to the
phones. Ben, who do we got weight yet? Mark? And saganaw
Hey, Mark, good morning to you, thanks for listening there. And
saganaw w lun one hundred point nine FM to Minte. What's going on?
Hey? Matt. Always loved hearing you at the Tiger broadcast and on your
show now currently, so great job. Thank you. I appreciate that.
Thank you, Mark, I had you were You're welcome. You were commenting
on a number of really interesting statistics. Here's one statistic that I would like
to know related to the Tigers and maybe other major league players, and that
would be, is there a statistics that miss hittable pitches, you know,
mistake pitches or or taters or whatever you want to call them, and the
number of times or that the hitter is able to drive those hitable pitches,
you know, with a with a strong exit velocity. Because what I see
and I just you know, I just watch games on TV and stuff.
I don't know. I'm not in the clubhousie, you know whatever, But
it seems to me like the Tigers are not barreling up pitches when other pitchers
make mistakes or give them something out over the middle of the plate. Is
there a statistic like that or not? There is a statistic for barrel percentage.
If that's what you're looking for, you can go into and get a
lot of you know, the different look you know this Mark. Anytime you're
dealing in baseball, you are dealing with all kinds of different numbers, right,
It's it's crazy. The amount and if you want to go hard hit
rate, that's up to you. I mean, it depends the hard hit
rate. The average hard hit rate in baseball right now is thirty nine percent.
The Tigers are at forty percent. Yeah, so they are tenth.
They are tenth right now, tenth in Major League Baseball in hard hit percentage.
If that means anything to you, you know, well, I was
listening to Craig Monroe and I was interested in this analysis yesterday in the game
because there were probably three or four times when, you know, Craig made
the comment that it looked like, you know, hitters in a couple of
different instances got pitches that they could you know, had a chance to really
bear a lop, and that it didn't look like the Tiger hitters were ready
or Craig didn't have an explanation for why they didn't you know, you know,
weren't aggressive on that particular pitch. You know, this problem with the
Tiger's hitting, it's not a new problem. They were not good last year,
I'm not sure the year before. And I think something is wrong or
that that goes beyond the you know, the normal stuff. Yeah, I
think and he would be the first to admit because he has done it himself
and been there, done that. It's the the hard thing about it is
you know you got a guy out there trying to get you out with Generally,
if you're in the major leagues, you got good stuff, right,
So guys are not always going to square things up. And that's the beauty
of baseball too. But also the frustrating part is that you know you're also
you get rewarded sometimes for bleeders. You get rewarded for you know, soft
hits too. So a lot of people will tell you oftentimes that evens out.
I think that and thanks to the phone call Mark, I think a
lot of that has to do with approach. What is your approach in the
batter's box? Where are you trying to go with certain pitches? Look,
you could say what you want about guys like Miguel Cabrera in the past,
Not that I sit there and advocate to keep him around as a player,
but what he did and what players told me they learned from Miguel Cabrera and
his approach in batting practice was everything was to write and write center to start.
How many times are guys trying to pull the ball? I don't know
the answer to this, by the way, because you know these are up
to the individual. But are how many times are you trying to pull the
ball? How many times are you getting your site set on center left center
to keep yourself true and back a little bit? Those are the things,
and I'm sure there's a I'll guarantee you you know. They have hitter meetings
every day, by the way. Every day they go out there and they
try to do you know, figure out a game plan dependent on the pitcher.
So what they're going to do. It's it's about ten twelve minutes,
okay, So they go out, players will show up, they'll take some
early BP. You know. The first bus is usually for a six forty
or seven o'clock game at noon. You'll see the managers and coaches all on
that bus. You'll see some players on that bus. They'll get there,
they'll stretch, they will get a lift in, you know, get the
heart rate up, and they will take some early BP, maybe some defensive
play out there. Then they'll come in. Other team go to their it
gets their batting practice, and Detroit will go in and they'll they'll look at
film a little bit. Everybody's got their own individual iPad. They can look
at that, but they'll talk about They'll have a hitters meeting. Pitchers and
catchers get together. The starter gets together with a catcher and they go over
the scouting report. How do we want to attack certain pitchers or certain batters?
While the batters are looking at pitching reports, how are we going to
deal with Tristan McKenzie, whoever they're whoever they may be facing. So Logan
Allen is throwing for Cleveland here tonight, the hitters will make sure they go
over all the things that Logan Allen, his tendencies and what he does.
So there is an approach. My point is they're preaching and approach. How
many times are players, depending on their situation one in two, two and
one, three and one, whatever, How many times are they keeping that
approach in the box? Are they staying true to it? So that's the
thing that I can't necessarily tell because I don't know what their meeting is.
I used to know, being around the team every day and talking to different
players, Well, this is what we want to do against a guy like
that? Give you a better idea for the broadcast. Not being with them,
I don't know what those approaches would be, but I would find it
hard to believe that the approach would be with what they're doing right now.
They're just not able to execute it. Sometimes, just sometimes I get tired
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three. The text is Sports Radio twenty one thousand. I want to get
to what pat Riley said about one of his best players and how it becomes
a little bit more refreshing. He says what many of us think. But
first I think we got a text, right, Ben, we got a
text. Yeah, that's right, Okay, fire Away says, I can
give you one from each sport who they don't talk about enough about, right
and great Matt Sundean, Charles Barkley, Robin Youu, and Troy Aikman.
Well, Troy Eigman's a Hall of Famer, so is Robin Yunt. Okay.
Yeah, Look, just because in the Hall of Fame doesn't mean that
they're not underrated. Because I brought up Ty Cobb, so that's a really
good point out. Kareem at bul Jabbar I liked those. Yeah, I
would buy that. I would say I would I think in baseball, I
think Stan Musual is probably one of the biggest underrated players of all time.
Now, he played in a great baseball town. Saint Louis is a phenomenal
arguably the best baseball town in America. If he played in New York or
Boston, I mean it would be he would be Ted Williams, Joe DiMaggio
for sure. Guy won three MVPs in the National League, fourth on the
all time MLB hits list at one point. It's a twenty time All Star.
So I would say Stan Musual is one of them. Charles Barkley is
a good one because you know, I think he gets labeled as the guy
who didn't win a championship. I would argue besides Kareem Abdul Jabbar, I
would say Moses Malone, all time All Star, three time League MVP,
He was the Finals MVP, averaged a double double for his career. You
know the problem is people looked at Jabbar and Russell and Chamberlain back then.
The other thing about Moses Malone is if you look at his the number of
offensive rebounds, he was an absolute beast. These are the guys. It's
a great conversation. I appreciate that info, especially with Robin Yon. I
loved Robin. I thought he's a great player. But if you look at
Moses Malone and you see what he did from an offensive rebounding standpoint, it's
it's incredible how dominant of a player he could be this guy historically. You
know, look at what he's He led the league in rebounding six times,
and he did it five times in a row. He averaged it's seventeen and
a half boards, fifteen boards, fifteen boards, fifteen boards, thirteen and
a half thirteen rebounds and the offensive rebounding. It's really impressive. I'm not
sure. I mean, there are certain records that will never be broken,
and I think you know, we've brought up a number of them on the
show in the past. I've said, Nolan Ryan's strikeout, so it'll just
never be touched. Will Chamberlain's rebounding effort will never be touched. Twenty three,
nine and twenty four rebounds. It's incredible. He averaged twenty three rebounds
per game in his career. Think about that for a moment. You can
talk about the era all you want, you talk about how big guys were
and so on and so forth. And even though Bill Russell is much shorter
than Wilt Chamberlain, Bill Russell averaged almost twenty five rebounds per game in his
career. But there are certain I think there are certain things that will never
be broken. I think Moses Malone has one of those records. When we
get caught up in Michael Jordan and Lebron James and Steph Curry with his threes,
I get it, totally understand it. But there are certain things that
Moses Malone has done in his career, and I think certain things that a
guy like a Keem Elijah On has done in his career number of blocks and
thirty just incredible. Those are certain things that you look at you go,
Okay, it's just not going to be broken. Malone's in that conversation he
is, He's in that conversation with rebounds, offensive rebounds. So those those
those are good ones. I like that a lot. I really appreciate that.
That's that's fun to to look back on. It really is. It's
a it's a good time for it's a good way for people, I think,
to tell younger people who may not have seen certain players about it.
So I brought up stam Muse. Frank Robinson's another really good one. Just
an amazing player, pretty damn good manager two at times, but an amazing
player. You know, you're talking about winning the MVP in both leagues,
Triple crown winner, twelve time All Star. Awesome. Now, is he
or was he a guy like Ken Griffy Jr. Uh? Probably not.
I mean Ken Griffy Junior. I think, at least in my era,
one of the greatest of all time. You win Tim Gold Gloves, you
hit six hundred and thirty homers, You're an All Star thirteen times. Those
are tough numbers to match. Our phone, I'm on the Meyer hotline eight
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tease the pat Riley story here, but we're getting close to a break,
so I want to make sure it give it its just due, because I
think it's a pretty cool story. Whether or not you like pat Riley,
I like how he has handled this situation right now with one of his stars
so I promise we will get to that at at seven thirty five. I
do wanted to ask you this, Ben, I want your opinion on this.
You've seen the City Connect jerseys or uniforms for the Tigers, have you
not? Yeah? Yes, I have? Okay, and you're a young
guy, yep. Do you like them? I do? And if why,
I don't know. I just they're different and I like the colors.
Yeah, this is so. This is the difference. You know. I've
tried as hard as I can to try and evolve as much as possible.
Take people like like Ben, and they're thinking they're different. I think that's
the biggest difference between certain generations. I'm not saying ours. I'm saying in
certain generations, it's not an unwillingness or a willingness to change. It's one
wants to be different. The other wants to be traditional. I can't stand
them now. I'm also the same guy who doesn't like the Lions alternatives.
I like tradition. I like the fact that there are certain things you don't
have to mess with, and for me, the Tigers home uniform is one
thing you do not mess with. What was funny about this funny or disappointing.
Is you get Ryan Gustuson, who's not even from here. Okay,
you get a guy like this, who's you know, the right hand man
to Chris Ilic and he gives you this BS that they've tried to combine traditional
and new. We didn't take this task lightly. We wanted to achieve connecting
the city, telling the story the resurgence, and we wanted to combine traditional
baseball and something new. Where's the tradition, Give me the tradition in the
city, connect uniform, it's nowhere to be found. We'll get more too
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All right back with you on Actions and Bros. Get to the pat
Riley comment about one of his stars we had just mentioned before the break about
the Tigers trying to strike a balance with the new City connect uniforms and how
their team president, not Scott Harris, but with Ryan Gustafson, who is
the president and CEO of Village Sports and Entertainment, said we wanted to strike
a balance between tradition doing something new and unique. Give me, where's the
tradition. Whether you like him or not, don't give me that line that
it's tradition and something new and exciting. It says Detroit a cross the top.
That's not traditional. That's basic. It says motor City on the front
of the jersey. That's not traditional. Others have done that. The colors
aren't traditional. On the side of the helmet is nineteen. It's a VIN
number of a car nineteen oh one, which is when the team was founded,
and then followed by the numbers of their championships thirty five, forty five,
sixty eight, eighty four. I guess that's a little traditional tradition for
the Tigers is the English D. There's nowhere on the English D. If
you wanted to put the English D in Detroit, I get that, but
they didn't, so don't look again. You like them, fine, that's
okay. Just don't feed me this. Don't feed me the line that it's
you combined tradition and something new and exciting. I mean, you're doing something
to sell merchandise, you're doing something because Major League wants it, You're doing
something because Nike wants it. And you're doing something and saying something that isn't
true. There's no tradition. There was theren't even the Tiger's colors for crying
out loud. Anyway. The phone number on the Meyer hotline eight sixty six
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Tech Sports Radio to twenty one thousand. Miami Heat were eliminated in the playoffs
right by the Boston Celtics and what turned out to be a pretty good series.
It's it was the same situation a year ago in which the tables were
reversed, though, and Miami eliminated Boston in seven games. So the Celtics
win, they advance, and they're into the Eastern Conference Finals where they're going
to play the Cleveland Cavaliers. A year ago. The biggest reason Miami advanced
to the NBA Finals is the stellar play of one Jimmy Butler considered a really
good player, fair enough, okay, makes big shots. His issue is
oftentimes he's not available. Hard to win with a star if you're not available.
Jimmy Butler said over the weekend, if I was playing Boston, would
be at home. Pat Riley, who runs the Heat, didn't like that
very much. Here's what he said. You know, for him to say
that, you know, I thought, is that Jimmy trolling or is that
Jimmy sirious? You know, if you're not on the court playing against Boston,
around the court playing against New York next, you should keep your mouth
shut and your criticism of those teams love that. Don't kid yourself. You
were thinking the same thing. You're not even available. Matter of fact,
he wasn't even with the team on the road. You're not available, and
you're spouting off like that. By the way, just for the record,
they met three times during the regular season. Butler played in two games.
He was three for eleven for fourteen points in a loss, scored seventeen points
in another loss. Was inactive for the third meeting, in which Miami lost
as well. So here's a guy who wasn't available for any of the playoff
games this year. Underperformed in two of the games he played against that team
in two losses, and wasn't available in the third meeting in which his team
lost. And he's spouting off he could do it from the standpoint that a
year ago he was really good. A year ago he was the man against
Boston. But he's doing it at a time that is kind of iffy right
now if he from the standpoint of this, Jimmy Butler is owed forty nine
million dollars for next season. The following season, he's got a player option
at fifty two and a half million dollars. When the twenty twenty four twenty
twenty five season begins next year, he'll be thirty five. That's a lot
of money for a guy who this past season played to the tune of twenty
one points per game. Now, would you take twenty one points per game
to a certain extent, I suppose you would. Would you do it for
that kind of money? I don't think so. Played sixty of the eighty
two games a year ago, sixty four games a year ago, two years
ago, fifty seven games, fifty two fifty. He's not playing every game.
Matter of fact, he's only played every game once in his career.
Take it further, he has played more than seventy games twice in his career.
And I'm not trying to take anything away from h because I think he's
a really good player. I don't think if you're a five time All Defensive
Team member, a five time All NBA player, a six time All Star
without being a hell of a player. He's been a hell of a player.
I don't think he's all a famer, but I think he's been a
hell of a player. He's not available very often. Where are the talk
show hosts now? They've said it about Mike Trout and others. How about
this twice in his career he has played seventy games or more. Now,
In fairness to Jimmy Butler, I always try to see both sides of things.
I don't toll a line. I'm just trying to see both sides of
things. How much of that was load management? I don't know. You
know, in twenty seventeen with Chicago, he's playing seventy six games. Did
he miss six games because of load management? Perhaps that's a possibility. To
me, it's not enough. It's a lot of money to spend on a
dude who's not always available. Forty nine million dollars next year for a guy
who's gonna be thirty five and has those types of numbers. Back to the
phone lines and the Meyer hotline eight sixty six eight three, eight forty eight
forty three. Then who do we got waiting for? We got Freddy on
the line. Oh hey Freddy, Oh worry man, Good morning. What's
going on? Good buddy? What's up? Are good? Thanks? I'm
dropping off my kids, just dropping off my kids to school and going golfing.
So oh, I love it for it too beautiful. So you know,
I had a couple of comments both you just spoke about the MotorCity connect
jerseys. I haven't seen them fully, but I understand and I heard enough
about them. You know, when I kept hearing Motor City Connected jerseys,
you know what I was thinking. I was thinking that the lion or the
tigers were making a jersey with all the teams on them. That's kind of
what the way I took it, And I thought that would have been more
cooler, maybe with a jersey with you know, all the wings of the
lions and the pistons kind of connect the city. Right, Why would you
do that. I don't know why they would do that. I'm just saying
I just I think they would. I think that would be kind of cool,
kind of connect the city and the teams together baseball, you know,
you know there's baseball is in between all the sports. I think I just
think I just think that would have been more cool. I know one thing,
the colors I don't like. I don't get the colors purple or whatever
whatever the league plants. I don't get the color. But I just thought
that would have been cool. With the Motor City connect. That's kind of
the way I took it was gonna be. But anyways, but uh,
the pat Riley thing, you know, it's it's first of all, it's
fine. It's wild to see pat Riley when when you grew up watching the
Pistons in the mid eighties and pat Riley and Chuck Daily were to two stars
as coaches and pet Rally is still around. Chuck Dailey's been long to long
gone, you know, fifteen sixteen years. It's just crazy to think.
But you know, I'm not gonna I'm not gonna be the old man on
to get off my long kind of guy. But you know, I'm gonna
care anxiety. But what guys like with pat Riley, when they're gone that
generation, it's gonna get worse and worse because he holds these players accountable.
Now, I didn't see to the fairness, I didn't see what the player
said. I didn't hear what you what you said he did. But pe
Rowley's old school. He holds his as accountable. These players are making so
much money that that skipping the playoff games don't mean anything to them anymore.
That's that's just wild to me. I mean, I can get maybe maybe
skipping a regular season game, which I don't even like, what a playoff
game and I see these guys jumping around on the sidelines, high fiving their
teammates and stuff like that. To me, that absolutely that that just just
I hate it and it turns me completely off. And you know, I
don't want to be that guy. But I'm telling you, if guys like
pat Riley and that generation starts going, uh, sports and society's gonna start
going. And I'm glad pett Riley said what he said, because most wouldn't
because they'd be afraid to lose their job or or be made fun of on
social media. So that's great. I'm with you on that. That's a
that's a good take. Thanks for to hit him straight today. Little envious
of you? Yeah, that's look. Pat Riley can say it because he's
the guy who controls it, but I think he would have said it no
matter what I mean, there are certain people that are securing their jobs.
I think it's is it a fear you don't want to alienate a player.
I'm sure here's what critics would say. Critics would say, you could alienate
Jimmy Butler, and you could alienate future free agents or future players that they're
afraid that you'd call them out. I guess my response to that would be,
I don't know if I want those players if they can't take it.
I don't think I want those players if they're that sensitive. We just brought
this up the other day, just yesterday, remember the comment from David Pasternak
for the Boston Bruins. He owned it. His coach Jim Montgomery called him
out after Game six. He said, we need our best players to be
their best. We've gotten that from Brad Marshan, but we need more from
pasta his nickname. Pasternak was asked about it. He said, I agree.
If I was the coach, i'd feel the same thing. And then
he goes out, what does he do? Scores the game winner in overtime.
It's pretty cool. That's it. He didn't sulk, He didn't go
in the corner and suck his thumb. He didn't go to a writer who
he trusts and said, I want you to write about him, and this
is how bad the coach has been and this is why he's losing the room,
and so on and so forth. No, he didn't do any of
that. He took it and agreed with it because the coach was right,
and pat Riley's right. It's not like Jimmy Butler only missed one game.
It's not like Jimmy Butler was a guy who came out and did all the
things right before getting hurt. He missed a ton of time, and there's
really no reason for him to spout off, like what's the point. First
of all, we don't know that's true that Boston would be home, because
your numbers this year against them were nothing special. In fact, there's subpar.
If you're going to use last year as a example on why he could
do it, I could use this year's example of why he couldn't. So
we don't know. So just making that bravado comment to me is pointless.
You should be applauding pat Riley. There's something about humility that is lacking at
times in our society, and sports can hunt. I think that's what I
love as much about sports as anything else, is that when you think you've
got something figured out, boom, the sports gods come in and make sure
you have more to learn. Jimmy Butler's got more to learn now. As
far as Freddy's take on the New City Connect uniforms, I don't think there's
any purple in the uniforms. I think it's black and blue. It's similar
to the Lions. I think it's a noble idea of what you're saying to
have. You know, all the teams on there in some representative. But
I would ask you this, If you're the Tigers, why would you want
another team's logo on your uniform? Of course your logo is not even on
the damn uniform. You're English, d that I can tell. Why'd you
want to put? For example, like I could almost see the Red Wings
because the owner owns both teams. Why would you want the Pistons who won
fourteen games on your uniform? Why would you want the Lions on your uniform?
I mean, you're the Tigers. It's not like the other teams are
doing that in their alternate unis for your team, you know what I'm saying.
I mean, not not to sound too selfish there, but just to
me, it's a little it's a little much. I mean, it's a
novel idea never heard of it, which is pretty cool, but I just
don't buy it, and I probably wouldn't do it either. If you want,
you know, the Motor City stuff, I'm all for it, right,
that's our nickname. I get it. Couldn't you have that in English
form? Could you have put that in instead? You know, obviously the
English D is not part of it, but could you have it in the
English lettering similar to that of the English D. Do you have to have
Detroit across your cap when you got Motor City across your chest? Can't you
keep the English D but in a different color that matches the uniforms? Did
you have to go that drastic? Again? I always put myself in this
situation. You're in a conference room, a big conference room at Comerica Park
and your brainstorming ideas and people are on that table thought, Yeah, let's
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