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What is krack Alac and fellow thermony
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Valley coming at you with what will
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to note that this is the second
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we did the Atlanta Hawks through the
Indiana Pacers, I believe in part one.

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Go check that out. It's on
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get your podcasts, and now we're
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until of course the Washington Wizards.
We will do the Western Conference next week.

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Thank you for everyone who is sent
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a question or multiple questions for the
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on other teams. Join our discord
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DM me on Twitter at Dan Favalley. You can ask in the YouTube comments

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as well. If you're watching this, I will see them. Find them

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Hardwood Knocks on Twitter as well.
So still room to get in some questions

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for the Western Conference if you've not
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already, we appreciate the people that
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we were low on some other ones, and so you all stepped up.

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I really appreciate it. But we're
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This has been great. Keep the
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be fun to do every once in
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really hard to rally the questions,
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I want you guys to just feel
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if I'm sending out one solicitation,
maybe the response will be a little bit

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more robust next time. Anyway,
let's get to answering questions on the rest

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of the Eastern Conference, beginning with
the Miami Heat and finishing, of course

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with the Washington Wizards. All right, let's move on to the Heat here

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from Rubik scal Do we have to
do this dance every year? We write

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them off at the beginning of the
season, which I did, And here

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we are in March with Miami a
game and a half out of home court

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in the playoffs, and it's hardly
the first time this has happened. Is

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hubrists do they have that they just
don't not give a shit until February?

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Is it careful planning? Refuse to
believe it's coincidence that this happens every year.

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They're eleven and three as we're recording
this since January thirty. First,

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Uh, what's up with the heat? Like? Is it just? Is

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it? Just? So? I
let me give you one thing before I

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sorry, before I cut you off
of the question. I just asked you.

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Uh, I was. I was
writing about the heat today and I

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was just looking at like this offensive
profile where they're bottom ten in rim accuracy

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and at temp frequency, dead last
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goal percentage, and just still and
that's how they were last year too,

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and they just like they still make
it work. So like, what is

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it this? I'm just rephrasing the
question, like how is this continuing to

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happen? First of all, I
don't have a good answer other than when

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you're asking if this is deliberate,
it absolutely is. With Jimmy Butler,

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there's just like there's a different mode
from him later in the season. He's

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shooting over fifty percent from three during
this stretch on like three attempts per game,

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which is for him, that's real
volume. But there's other stuff that's

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happening, and I do think it's
a trickle down effect, like Haimi Hawkes.

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He's healthier. That helps. But
you look at this team. They're

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flying around on defense now, which
is something they weren't doing at least as

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often it felt like for the first
two thirds of the season or whatever.

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Bam Adebayo he's hitting still really can't
hit. I call them Trueman rangers.

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Like he's shooting during the stretch,
like under twenty percent from Trueman range,

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where he's at fifty seven plus percent
on in the paint two's that aren't in

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the restricted area. That's like an
eight percentage point increase over where he was

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beforehand. So there are things that
are happening, but the like is all

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that, Like the Duncan Robinson playmaking, by the way, so it's like,

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oh, this guy just does stuff
inside the arc and he's hitting threes

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and now he's a playmaker. He's
just averaging five ass per game. I

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don't I don't know how much of
it's still is it? You know?

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Coach bo just, I'm not gonna
break out my best shit until we get

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into March slash the end of February. I don't have answers here other than

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if it's a trickle down effect from
Jimmy Butler. I get like he's very

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clearly the flip the switch conversations become
a cliche. But we went through this

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during their playoff run last year.
I honestly think there's just some extraterrestrial shit

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at play. I don't have like
I don't. We can point to the

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numbers and what they're doing, differently, I can't explain it to you why

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it's not and you can't point to
like any transaction like this is not about

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getting Delawn right. This is not
like Terry Rose here has been injured and

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banged up, and when he's been
playing, they weren't even using him like

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everyone thought they were gonna use him. It was, oh, look,

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Terry Rose, heer's setting all these
screens, and it's like, well,

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that's not really what I thought was
gonna happen. So I just don't.

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I don't have I apologize anyone who
was hoping for some insight into this.

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But do you talk about wanting to
know what's going on in the Bulls front

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office. I don't even fucking know
what's going on behind the scenes in Miami

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with those conversations, and if this
is just like a contrived effort to lull

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us into a false sense of I
wrote them off because I don't want to

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go when people ask me on the
radio on podcasts, I don't want to

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say, well, just no,
they're gonna do this is what the Heat

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do? They flip a switch.
I'm gonna do that now. I'm not

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gonna point to the numbers or anything
I've watched, like, this is just

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gonna happen, and I'm gonna keep
saying it even if Jimmy Butler gets to

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his fortieth birthday apparently, because this
is just gonna continue to happen. You

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know what the weirdest thing about all
this is is that like when you think

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of the Heat, you think of
the really disciplined, like don't take plays

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off, really like rigid, militaristic
whatever. Like that isn't the type of

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team that flips switches late in the
year in theory, right that, Like

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that doesn't make any sense. It's
totally opposite for what happens. And you

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would think like, oh, they're
gonna overachieve from day one if if in

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fact they're gonna overachieve, But instead
it's like, no, they're all those

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things super serious like, you know, practice really hard, you know,

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max effort, but then also like
try harder and do better for some reason

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later in the year. So they're
coasting like I don't don't understand, doesn't

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make any sense. Do you think
that this could be? And again with

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Jimmy Butler's just I'm just it's a
decision. I've just decided it's a decision

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when it comes to Jimmy Butler.
But because they always seem to wind up

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being reliant on either like a buyout
type guy with a Kevin Love or just

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these younger guys who were in the
program, whether they were draft picks or

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or not. And so it's like, well, hey, with Heismith,

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and look at how far nikole Jovic
has come now and now Caleb Martin is

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healthier than he was at the beginning
of the year. So it does always

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feel like they're dealing with that stuff. Could that be like a reasonable explanation

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of younger guys are getting better and
other guys are getting healthier. I guess

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maybe sure, let's go with that. It's better than like, I don't

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know, shrug hashtag heek culture.
That's why at least at least you got

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something there. Why did they sign
Patty Mills like they have the lawn.

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I know that there's Terroort's year and
Patty Mills. I don't know. I

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don't know why they did that,
Dan, But my very first thought when

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I saw that was like, gosh, I bet Patty Mills has still got

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something. First, at least two
playoff games, he will come in,

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catch a heater, make four threes
and just pump everyone up. And then

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yeah, no, that's exactly what's
gonna happen. Of course, that's what's

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gonna happen, all right. Related
heat question, uh, I would also

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like the answer to some of a
counter question, will the heat ever stop?

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With the whole quote, we have
a we have culture, and we'll

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just grind in the playoffs a bit
and swing for a star. They could

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have probably wont to ring recently if
they had done so. In my opinion,

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seems like every offseason the heater linked
to being a team a preference of

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a star like Dame. That's my
insertion there. On the move then low

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ball and act shock they don't get
anyone, and then act like they don't

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need them. Damn, that's not
a tea for you. Your thoughts I

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have thoughts on this, So I
don't think you're ever gonna give up the

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culture stick. And I do agree
that it's annoying Austin, Like, that's

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just I don't get. I had
a joke once when they were in the

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bubble, and do you remember that
there was a rule that you needed clearance

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to get like certain people in the
bubble, like when the playoffs and there

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were certain teams that were there.
You're allowed to bring people in, but

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they needed like clearance. And so
I made a joke that Jimmy Butler called

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Adam Silver and asked if his will
to win needed clearance to enter the bubble.

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And like that's very much the heat
persona, and it can be annoying.

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I find it comic goal a lot
of the time, but like it

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seems to work in the postseason.
But my my issue here and I understand

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the question what opportunity have they actively
decided not to pursue or engage, And

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so it's when you look at Dames
specifically, he wanted to go to Miami.

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Do we really believe that they didn't
offer They offered one first round pick

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in Tyler Hero and that's just where
they drew the line, and so it's

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they. I think that Portland just
went with an offer they deemed better.

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And it's the same case with they
did not have the assets to outbid for

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Donovan Mitchell if you thought he was
the guy. So who is Who have

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they actively missed out on that they
could have gotten, is my question.

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And during this run, by the
way, they've made Eastern Conference finals,

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they've made the NBA finals, and
so I don't think this stick has cost

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them a title. If anything,
it's probably because of the question that Rubikscal

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just asked and we did not provide
an answer to. By the way,

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I fully recognize that we just talked
in circles for eight minutes or whatever it

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was. Here's no answer. Don't
apologize, Well, I'm not apologized,

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Like, I'm just standing a fact. We didn't have the answer to it.

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Like if that's what they're doing and
that's what gets them to where they've

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been, then it's helped them get
closer. I just like, now we

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could talk about, Okay, was
trading a two thousand and twenty seven first

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round pick for Terry Rozier the move
and now we can get into that conversation.

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I just don't know what other moves
were available with the assets, because

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clearly there's a disconnect between how some
people value Tyler Hero and then how the

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league values Tyler Hero. And so
if he's not considered that blue chip type

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of asset on his current deal,
what are they doing? And now it's

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even harder pressed because their salary matching
is Tyler Hero or Duncan Robinson and that

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So if you're saying they would have
put Hoimay Hawkeys on the table gotten Dame,

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maybe they could have done that.
Let's say they could have done that.

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Dam has not had the best season. Yeah, are we just to

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assume that he would have been better
off in Miami when he says the biggest

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struggle has been living without his family, I'm not gonna assume that. No.

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I think this isn't This isn't the
Danny Ainge Celtics. This is like

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that. That kind of feels like
what this criticism is of, Like,

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you know, it's like a joke. Oh well, we were in,

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we were close, we were in
on this guy, we were in on

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that guy. We didn't do it. The difference is, like the reason

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the Heat don't always have the best
package is because they're always aggressive. They

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are they're they're the team that's giving
up the first for Terry Rozier. They're

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the team that's like they're always like
if a star becomes available, I think

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people fear the Heat because they're like
those guys are pat Riley is cutthroat.

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They will go for that guy.
They will try to do it. They

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don't always have the best package,
Ke say, the Age Celtics because they

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just didn't have a bunch of picks
and stuff from I don't know what the

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the original Brooklyn Nets trade, the
Garnett and Pierce stuff. But like I

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think, I think the Heat are
really seriously in on every star that becomes

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available. They just don't always have
all the assets because they're aggressive, like

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on a smaller scale, very frequently
like giving you know what, what was

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it, like, didn't they Goran
Dragic give them a first for him or

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whatever? Kyle out Like they're always
out there trying to get guys. It's

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not it's not that they're like punting
on going to get someone and that's costing

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them titles. I think if anything, maybe they're too aggressive sometimes, like

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because they're always trying to win.
Now there's like not a tomorrow for them,

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So it's a different kind of like
they miss out on guys for like

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maybe the right reasons because they're always
trying to be better. I don't know.

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And also I think they miss out
on guys because they end up like

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Dame. I'm sure they want a
Dame. They just ended up not having

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the best passage for Dame, right
because they create other trades before that,

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Like they just didn't have the asset
troph brunt of the Bucks. And I'll

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loop these two questions together, the
first of which or the swe have two

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one from a deal in pain possible
Doctor Vers still be good after three wins

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in the second round, and then
Austin, will the Bucks go for the

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impossible and have four coaches on the
payroll if they are a first round out

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this year? I don't if they
get exited in the first round, they're

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keeping Doc Rivers right, they've been
unafraid to change things, but i'd be

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fairly and maybe the reason they won't
have four coaches on the payrolls because Mike

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Budenholzer gets a job, And I
don't know if that's offsets in any way,

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So that I'm gonna say No,
there's no way that they fire DOC

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Rivers. I think even if it's
clear that they should fire DOC Rivers,

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which is not often, they won't. I will say though they have so

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since he's been in they're up to
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That's up from eighteenth beforehand. There
beforehand, they were nineteenth an opponent

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transition frequency in twenty eighth and just
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on missus and even in the half
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the shot clock. Overall, there's
better ball containment somehow. Without they played

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a little bit more aggressively. They're
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leads into their ball containment without getting
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Patrick Beverley, that's like the main
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I still think there's offensive awkwardness,
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bite them when you're looking at if
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Dame, are they in sync?
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one another, even when they're on
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concern. And then it's ken this
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are going to have extra time to
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though, given the injuries in Cleveland
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I think we have to just default
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always been the case. They're the
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East right in Miami. We just
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Miami's in its own special group.
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today like Boston's a lock. Obviously, if you're talking to pick the conference

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finals today, Boston's a lock.
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it's like, if Milwaukee's not there, I think I'm pretty surprised. If

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it's not Boston Milwaukee in the East
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Though the defense has looked better with
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the offense has been worse, and
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those things of like, well,
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the offense but not the defense,
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we gonna say they both are meaningful
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can't have it both ways. And
the y honest Dame stuff to me is

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like the defining issue for this team
down the stretch of like, can we

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get some two man chemistry, can
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Because Dame and Brook Lopez have actually
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and roll tandem, or at least
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so Dame gets downhill from the logo
and like that works. Johannis,

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just the chemistry is not there,
and the Bucks as a team they so

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it's fine when keeps the ball in
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some play by play data earlier.
Today Milwaukee scores at a rate that ranks

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in the thirteenth percentile when the rollman
finish his plays, like they suck with

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the rollman and like in theory,
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right, what's that? They don't
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Why is it a great role guy? Rubble to the basket just like

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give him a head start with the
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easiest thing in the world. It's
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seventh percentile pick and roll roll man
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but like it's insane to me that
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a Dame Janice two man game going, like I don't I like one or

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the other of them is just like
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you have a spacing center Brook Lopez, assuming Middleton's out there, and like

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and Beasley, like there's no one
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be it should be super easy.
This is so and and nobody likes to

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spam pick and rolls more than Doc
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Blake Griffin, he goes James Harden
and Joel Embiid like he knows how to

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do this. So I think that
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this this pick and roll combo and
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postseason offense, like this guy's the
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And I like his odds, but
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happened yet, so that I just
had I had those numbers, and I

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wanted to throw him out there for
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I wonder how much of it too
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worse under Doc when you're looking at
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I'm talking about Damian Loward, but
like the three point shooting has been weird

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all year. He's at so he's
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and shoot threes. On combined open
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thirty six and a half percent.
That's not like good for wide open threes

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and being Damian Lillard, right,
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So you mentioned like the Yanna is
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think there's room or do you just
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materialize for like the inverted stuff with
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screen for you, honest and what
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a I'd be curious to see the
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I don't know how often it's been
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used very often, but like I
is it worth it? And I keep

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hearing is like, yeah, like
whatever, Doc kind of alludes to it

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or people are talking about, yeah, Doc Rivers wants to like do this

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stuff. It's like, well,
why why is it happening? But that's

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I don't know that that's that's the
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should use it because you the inverted
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Middleton, and honest like that was
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go both you know, Middleton as
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was like kind of a staple for
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and they could invert it and get
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switches and stuff like I think,
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like Doc Rivers has forgotten more about
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But it's like get your two best
players involved and force a little guy

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to figure out what to do with
a big guy on defense like that that

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should just be They should spam it
all the rest of this year and just

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see if it's gonna work, because
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But if it does work, then
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it's gonna challenge if there's a team, if there's a team that could

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neuter even the best version of the
Bucks, that it's Boston. Well that's

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true of every everybody, Like Boston's
gonna be the biggest challenge certainly anyone in

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the East. Faces. We are
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two questions for them. First one, uh, this is oh what is

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it? Nast noah nas noah,
I apologize if I just have this written

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down wrong. Will the Knicks ever
be fully healthy again? Dude? I

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don't know. Just they're so banged
up, like jail the jail and runs

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an injury. They have averted disaster. That's great. But now so you

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have O g out, you have
Julius Randall out, Mitchel Robinson out.

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We know Isaiah Hartenstein is dealing with
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I don't know if I already said
the jail runs and stuff. And then

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it's like, well, Josh hart
is playing forty nine out of forty eight

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minutes a game. Are we tempting
fate here with him? And some of

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these other guys a duce McBride.
When Jalen Brunson went down, he played

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every minute like Jalen Brunson had what
was it forty three seconds or thirty seven

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seconds, and then duce McBride just
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will say it's wild, and I
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That the Knicks are just missing four
of there would be starters. That's

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a lot. That's a lot.
That's almost the most starters you can be

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missing. It's pretty close. So
it's good that they avoided disaster with the

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Jallehn Brunson injury. I don't the
Mitchell Robinson injury matters, but I honestly

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think at this point for him to
come back, there's a chance that he

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could do more damage to their offense
than good for them overall defensively. And

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I really like I Saya Hertenstein,
do you not trust him to play a

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ton of minutes, especially with the
Achilles injury. I get it. I'm

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looking at the OG and the Randalls
stuff, because the OG has been like,

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oh Okay, there's a ramp up
and he'll be back by the end

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of season. But when I just
we don't have a like a like he

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underwent elbow surgery. That's that doesn't
seem like unseerious. And so what does

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he look like when he comes back
on the offensive end? Like, yes,

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defense would still be fine. Is
he gonna be able to knock down

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three? Is the cutting element will
still be there? But if he has

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less three point gravity where he didn't
have By the way, yeah, he'shooting

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thirty nine percent from three as a
nick, but you know under five attempts

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per thirty six minutes isn't some intense
volume. And it's the Randall thing,

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which we have a question on Randall
in the second what does he come like

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he's dealing with an injury where it
comes back and it's all right. So

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is he gonna eventually need surgery on
it? And how is he shooting with

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it like it just or playing with
it? Is he able to be as

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physical because a lot of the stuff
he does inside the arc requires physicality?

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Or is there a chance that he's
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don't know about it just yet because
by the way, the last like real

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update I think we got from them
said he need to be reevaluated in three

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weeks. That was like four or
five weeks ago, and we haven't really

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gotten a concrete update. I don't
think unless I missed it, I don't

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They're not going to be fully healthy
again this season. I think that's been

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pretty clear. It's the bigger question
is to what extent will they still be

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injured when the playoffs roll around,
Because this is a team that I might

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have even called them the biggest threat
to the Celtics in the East if they

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were fully healthy, and I even
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the same they'll be fine. Now
it's the point where, all right,

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are they still a team that's going
to win a playoff round? You need

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Jalen Brunson for sure. I think
Jalen Brunson and og Ananobi and probably Dante

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divin Genzo at this point, those
are like the three players you just can't

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afford to lose. You want to
guess how many possessions, So obviously they're

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presumptives starting five with Robinson in there
and Brunson, De Vincenzo, og and

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Randall has not played together at all. Do you want to guess how many

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possessions those four guys have played sans
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under one hundred and fifty, So
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four, which is still like that's
like TIBs I should have In fact,

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yeah, you know, TIBs is
gonna max out whatever. We cannot pin

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this on TIBs, right, I
love that the whole thing. It always

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wears this players down. It's just
bad luck. But yeah, I think

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it's kind of interesting. I think
like whatever happens in the playoffs for the

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Knicks, they're going to get a
pass. I think if they get bounced

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in the first round and just as
everyone barely gets back, I don't think.

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I don't think it's gonna be uh
oh, this is a failure.

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It's just like, yeah, shitty
luck, man, Like everybody got hurt,

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what do you want? But then
that doesn't make their off season decisions

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all that much easier, which I
think the next question kind of pertains to

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with Julius Randall. Yeah, so
this is interesting from uh Is eight seven

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New York. Randall isn't health.
If Randall isn't healthy again for the playoffs,

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and we just don't know how to
value him this summer is basically the

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question. My response to this is, yeah, that's tough because it's another

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built in excuse for Julius Randall.
He has a in his two playoff runs

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with the Knicks forty six point two
true shooting, which is just disastrously low,

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especially when that player. You look
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Twenty nine point two is an average
was and it was lower last year because

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Jalleen Brunston existed. There were built
in excuses. He was banged up during

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both of them. And in twenty
twenty one he was their number one option,

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and Julius Randall's your number one option
in the playoffs. Just I mean,

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I'm not trying to insult Julius Randall. That's when let's rame this way.

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R J. Barrett was your number
two that year. Was Elfred Payton

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might have been starting games in the
playoffs or did they get away from that

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in the playoffs. I can't even
remember. So the team wasn't perfect,

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and he was banged up last year. He was just visibly injured, and

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so there's the built in excuse.
And they did start Elfred Payton in some

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playoff games. So I was correct
on that, and then this year he's

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gonna be injured again. If he's
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this banged up shoulder. So I
don't if he comes back, I probably

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my expectations for him to play offensively
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they're The extension eligibility is weird.
They can extend him for a starting salary

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around I think it's like forty one
point three million off. We have two

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years left on his deal, one
of which is a player option. Given

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what you know about Randall, what
he's done in the playoffs is value to

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the team. Though, would you
extend him grant if that's on the table,

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And I'm assuming you wouldn't give him
the full boat, even though that's

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not even his technically his max salary, but you're not going to give him

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the forty plus million. Is there
a number where you would look at and

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say, no, we'll extend Julius
Randall like I would do it, or

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are you looking at it as I
prefer kind of the short term salary optionality

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for matching via trades, So I
think normally what you should do is try

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to extend him for for what you're
talking about salary matching, like whether you

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know, because right now he's on
the books next year for twenty seven to

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five, player option for twenty nine
to four in twenty five to twenty six.

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So if you want to extend him
out just to sort of juice the

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value of him as a trade ship
for whatever the next big piece you're gonna

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go after, I think you in
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I would do it differently. I'm
not starting at forty one thirty maybe because

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you're pricing in the injuries, you're
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The problem is, I don't know
how valuable Randall is. I think

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we've talked about this a little bit
in the past, Like he's certainly not

403
00:25:22,359 --> 00:25:26,559
as valuable to other teams as he
is to the Knicks. So like having

404
00:25:26,640 --> 00:25:30,319
him on the books at a number
that makes sense for the Knicks as like,

405
00:25:30,359 --> 00:25:33,960
well, we just makes sense to
have him on the roster for thirty

406
00:25:33,000 --> 00:25:37,160
million a year or whatever. Scale
that up however you want to. I

407
00:25:37,200 --> 00:25:40,519
don't know if other teams would view
it the same way, like, oh,

408
00:25:40,519 --> 00:25:44,119
that's a big we value him at
the same dollar amount. So if

409
00:25:44,160 --> 00:25:48,119
he's a trade ship like it doesn't. It just doesn't quite square up to

410
00:25:48,160 --> 00:25:49,160
me, if that makes any sense. So, like, I think my

411
00:25:51,119 --> 00:25:53,720
path going forward would just be,
like, we're not talking extension. You're

412
00:25:55,599 --> 00:25:59,839
guaranteed on the books next year.
You've got that player option. If you

413
00:26:00,200 --> 00:26:03,480
well enough next year to decline it
and hit free agency, awesome, That's

414
00:26:03,559 --> 00:26:06,119
like that means you had a great
year for us in twenty five to twenty

415
00:26:06,160 --> 00:26:08,480
six, and sorry in twenty four
or twenty five. But I'm not I'm

416
00:26:08,519 --> 00:26:11,440
not going out a long way and
I'm certainly not going up into the forties

417
00:26:11,759 --> 00:26:17,200
for Randall. It's interesting because to
the Knicks specifically, if you can get

418
00:26:17,279 --> 00:26:21,440
him at a reasonable number, it's
more valuable to extend him. But to

419
00:26:21,640 --> 00:26:26,079
other teams it is less valuable to
extend him because he's going to be more

420
00:26:26,160 --> 00:26:30,480
valuable as that short term salary matching
and you some things might even view it

421
00:26:30,480 --> 00:26:34,119
as as an expiring contract that's over
the summer because of that player option.

422
00:26:34,359 --> 00:26:37,759
Do you think he's more valuable if
we're talking strictly as a trade ship,

423
00:26:38,119 --> 00:26:41,720
because let's say the best version of
the next Knicks team has some other star

424
00:26:41,839 --> 00:26:47,200
in there with Antonobi and Brunson and
whatever. Is he more valuable as an

425
00:26:47,240 --> 00:26:52,119
expiring twenty seven million dollar contract or
whatever, then he had two more years

426
00:26:52,160 --> 00:26:56,559
on that. The answer is yes, because the team that you're acquiring said

427
00:26:56,559 --> 00:27:00,119
player from is probably not going to
be on a Julius Randall timeline. And

428
00:27:00,160 --> 00:27:04,039
then you just said, and as
we've talked about, he's such a very

429
00:27:04,039 --> 00:27:07,359
specific fit. He's not a he's
a two time All NBA player. And

430
00:27:07,400 --> 00:27:10,240
if you want to say he shouldn't
have made it one of those, he's

431
00:27:10,240 --> 00:27:12,359
an All NBA play like that is
a thing that happened and that he deserved

432
00:27:12,480 --> 00:27:15,680
two times at least once. Yeah, but he did it two times and

433
00:27:15,759 --> 00:27:18,599
he could, by the way,
if he never got hurt, like there's

434
00:27:18,599 --> 00:27:23,640
a chance he would have been in
the totally. So. But he's such

435
00:27:23,680 --> 00:27:27,880
a specific fit that even if he
were viewing it as well, we'll reroute

436
00:27:27,960 --> 00:27:32,920
him. I don't think that he's
it's not gonna be the same. The

437
00:27:33,039 --> 00:27:34,960
number would have to even if he
was at the same number where it was.

438
00:27:36,160 --> 00:27:37,440
Oh, the average annual value is
thirty million, let's say, so

439
00:27:37,480 --> 00:27:41,720
he's barely getting a raise off of
that player option number. I just don't

440
00:27:41,720 --> 00:27:45,640
think you could count on netting a
haul, and so as a team that's

441
00:27:45,680 --> 00:27:49,519
rebuilding, presumably in this situation,
I would prefer the flexibility of knowing this

442
00:27:49,599 --> 00:27:52,799
money comes off the books, or
that we could use it as another short

443
00:27:52,880 --> 00:27:56,839
term salary matching to say, hey, give us, we'll take back money

444
00:27:56,880 --> 00:28:00,279
you don't want, or something to
that effect. That's my belief, and

445
00:28:00,319 --> 00:28:04,640
I feel appreciate he's saying about that
about a two time All NBA player who's

446
00:28:04,680 --> 00:28:07,920
in his prime. I just think
that's the reality. I'm with you on

447
00:28:08,000 --> 00:28:12,880
that, all right, Orlando Magic. This is from Lil Mortenson or Lee

448
00:28:12,960 --> 00:28:17,920
Mortenson. My eyes and L's are
hard to tell difference between uh, can

449
00:28:18,000 --> 00:28:21,640
Suggs? Can Jalen Suggs be a
better shooting Marcus Smart? Or do we

450
00:28:21,720 --> 00:28:26,720
need a point guard three and D
player. I'm glad this is for you

451
00:28:26,759 --> 00:28:30,079
and not me, because I've I've
flip flopped on Suggs pretty hard, so

452
00:28:30,240 --> 00:28:33,240
you've you've always been a little more
sober on him, So I've kind of

453
00:28:33,279 --> 00:28:38,759
wondered this is I'm not sure if
Marcus Mart's the apt comparison anymore, because

454
00:28:38,799 --> 00:28:44,559
I think that I trust Jalen Suggs's
jumper and I also more so trust Jalen

455
00:28:44,559 --> 00:28:48,720
Suggs to play within the limits of
himself. And part of that is because

456
00:28:48,759 --> 00:28:52,519
the Magic do have other options even
when it comes to running point guard,

457
00:28:52,519 --> 00:28:55,119
and the Celtics at times very much
like no, like Marcus Mart's got to

458
00:28:55,160 --> 00:28:57,039
be our primary pick and roll initiator
and he's going to turn the ball over

459
00:28:57,079 --> 00:29:00,759
twenty five percent of the time,
but that's you run. I think.

460
00:29:00,960 --> 00:29:04,559
So maybe the environment helps out Suggs
here, but you know what the comp

461
00:29:06,079 --> 00:29:08,640
I feel like might be better,
Like could this be someone who turns into

462
00:29:08,640 --> 00:29:12,200
a Derek White type player? Needs
to come a long way as a passer.

463
00:29:12,480 --> 00:29:15,359
But that's what I see, And
I'm not talking about like physically,

464
00:29:15,640 --> 00:29:18,519
but I'm just in terms of the
gaps that they feel to where, No,

465
00:29:18,599 --> 00:29:21,920
you don't want Jalen Suggs running your
offense, but you don't really want

466
00:29:21,960 --> 00:29:25,240
Derek White running your offense. But
he's still gonna drop dimes and keep the

467
00:29:25,240 --> 00:29:27,640
ball moving. Suggs could do that. He's not gonna try and iso a

468
00:29:27,680 --> 00:29:32,279
shit ton, but like he can
do some stuff on the ball when he

469
00:29:32,319 --> 00:29:34,440
gets moving, and then he's also
could just move a crap ton off the

470
00:29:34,440 --> 00:29:37,440
ball. Now is Jalen Suggs the
same level as screen or as Derek White.

471
00:29:37,599 --> 00:29:41,400
That's what we get into. But
I do feel like Jalen Suggs has

472
00:29:41,400 --> 00:29:45,200
the potential to turn to that player. When we're specifically looking at his defense

473
00:29:45,559 --> 00:29:48,720
and his complimentary three point shooting,
he's not gonna have I mean, Derek

474
00:29:48,759 --> 00:29:52,279
White doesn't have like necessarily a ton
of gravity even when you look at his

475
00:29:52,319 --> 00:29:56,160
three point splits. I just feel
like that's the type of player you want

476
00:29:56,160 --> 00:30:00,599
Suggs to turn into. And I
believe again, I don't know how to

477
00:30:00,599 --> 00:30:03,079
feel about the passing and the connective
passing and the screening. I think he

478
00:30:03,079 --> 00:30:07,039
can get there on one of those
fronts though, for sure. And so

479
00:30:07,200 --> 00:30:11,640
I don't think you need to try
and upgrade from the Jailen sug spot unless

480
00:30:11,680 --> 00:30:15,119
you view and this might be stepping
on the toes of the next magic question,

481
00:30:15,200 --> 00:30:18,160
but unless you view like you're viewing. Oh, no, Jalen Sounds

482
00:30:18,279 --> 00:30:21,119
needs to be our point guard.
No, that that's not that's not a

483
00:30:21,160 --> 00:30:26,039
long term thing. No, I
don't. I mean he's still though vastly

484
00:30:26,079 --> 00:30:29,039
improved as a shooter, which is
like now he's going to stay in the

485
00:30:29,119 --> 00:30:32,359
league, which is like, oh
my before no, no, no,

486
00:30:32,440 --> 00:30:34,759
before the shooting stuff, before the
shooting happened, I was like, what

487
00:30:36,000 --> 00:30:41,200
is this guy? Because because Chris
Dunn has but let let's talk about Chris

488
00:30:41,240 --> 00:30:44,480
Dunn has like barely hung on,
like he's bounced around, he's gonna he's

489
00:30:44,480 --> 00:30:48,640
a minimum guy. Jalen Suggs is
kind of Chris Dunn, except that now

490
00:30:48,720 --> 00:30:52,680
Jalen Suggs can shoot, uh and
so like that has changed his outlook as

491
00:30:52,720 --> 00:30:56,599
like his career outlook entirely and has
changed what he means to the magic.

492
00:30:56,680 --> 00:31:00,359
I love Chris Dunn, by the
way. Suggs though, like he still

493
00:31:00,400 --> 00:31:03,720
why did you love Jalen Thuggs?
Then what's why did you love Jalen Suggs

494
00:31:03,720 --> 00:31:07,279
before he was Derek White? Two, he's not well if he if Jalen

495
00:31:07,279 --> 00:31:11,599
Suggs becomes Derek White, the magic
are real scary that that but that is

496
00:31:11,640 --> 00:31:15,519
a better confidence smart just to get
back to the question too, because smart,

497
00:31:15,519 --> 00:31:18,640
like Smart's value was like I'm gonna
guard a center for a few possessions,

498
00:31:18,640 --> 00:31:23,559
Like Suggs is not that guy,
and Suggs is not like flying into

499
00:31:23,559 --> 00:31:27,400
the stands after being touched uh,
you know, to like grift fouls like

500
00:31:27,640 --> 00:31:30,720
Marcus Smart is an elite all times
they turned on the central area and the

501
00:31:30,720 --> 00:31:34,680
arena, and Marcus Smart's like row
an all time foul grifter. Like and

502
00:31:34,720 --> 00:31:40,240
I say that as a with respect, like he's just his performance art how

503
00:31:40,240 --> 00:31:45,880
good Smart it was, with all
due respect the proceeds to disrespect. Yeah,

504
00:31:45,920 --> 00:31:48,759
I still think you know what,
we are just gonna step on this

505
00:31:48,799 --> 00:31:52,880
one a little bit, but like, I think you need just a different

506
00:31:52,519 --> 00:31:56,759
true point guard type and then Suggs
can come in and whether he's gonna guard

507
00:31:56,839 --> 00:32:00,160
the one or the two, or
whether he's gonna run second units or just

508
00:32:00,240 --> 00:32:01,279
be a spot up guy. Like, there's a lot of ways you can

509
00:32:01,359 --> 00:32:06,240
use Suggs going forward, which is
great because I didn't think there were gonna

510
00:32:06,279 --> 00:32:07,400
be any ways that you could use
them, and I was wrong about that.

511
00:32:07,839 --> 00:32:12,240
Uh. This is from Rubik scal
Can Markel Fultz's post moves help them

512
00:32:12,279 --> 00:32:15,920
survive in today's NBA in the absence
of a convincing outside shot. Can he

513
00:32:15,960 --> 00:32:20,440
be part of a magic future that
involves playoff aspirations? The answer is no.

514
00:32:20,960 --> 00:32:24,240
Uh no, So here's so false
is shooting fifty three point eight percent

515
00:32:24,319 --> 00:32:29,359
on post ops this year per second
spectrum. That's a good number, especially

516
00:32:29,359 --> 00:32:31,599
for a guard. It's not super
high volume, though, can you up

517
00:32:31,640 --> 00:32:36,400
that more? I just don't.
Maybe it's because I'm viewing this too in

518
00:32:36,519 --> 00:32:39,440
Orlando Magic terms, like they don't
have and I think with Jacquvan has done

519
00:32:39,440 --> 00:32:45,039
a good job when you watch them, like they have good spacing on the

520
00:32:45,119 --> 00:32:49,359
court, but the defensive spacing is
a lot different in comparison to the offensive

521
00:32:49,359 --> 00:32:52,200
spacing because no one cares about the
people that are spacing the floor in Orlando.

522
00:32:52,559 --> 00:32:55,160
And so if you're gonna use Markel
Fults in the post, I think

523
00:32:55,200 --> 00:33:00,880
you're gonna need better shooters and better
motion around him him. And then there's

524
00:33:00,920 --> 00:33:04,000
also the level of and if you're
putting the ball into his hands, it's

525
00:33:04,000 --> 00:33:07,599
out of the hands of Palo Bank, Carrol and Franz Wagner and that that's

526
00:33:07,680 --> 00:33:12,519
like So if we're talking about on
another team, maybe I don't know.

527
00:33:12,880 --> 00:33:15,839
I don't know what team that is. For the Orlando Magic specifically, I

528
00:33:15,839 --> 00:33:21,400
don't think he's a bad player,
but if he is part of the next

529
00:33:21,559 --> 00:33:27,200
great Orlando Magic team, I think
he's coming off the bench like as like

530
00:33:27,720 --> 00:33:32,400
that's like like I can't like he's
not you know, the starting point guard

531
00:33:32,480 --> 00:33:37,079
or he's not even forget about the
actual role. He's not closing games,

532
00:33:37,480 --> 00:33:40,359
he's not playing a ton of minutes. Like that's the the next iteration of

533
00:33:40,359 --> 00:33:44,880
the matter. I just don't think
you would have to put so much like

534
00:33:45,440 --> 00:33:50,880
shooting around him. And then again
it's just even then there's limits to what

535
00:33:51,000 --> 00:33:52,680
Palo Bank Carroll's probably ever gonna do
as a shooter even though that short,

536
00:33:52,720 --> 00:33:54,799
like you don't want to displace Palo
Bank Carroll from the ball, and so

537
00:33:54,839 --> 00:34:00,119
you need someone who can play off
the ball more effectively then Mark cal Foltz,

538
00:34:00,160 --> 00:34:04,359
can I think in Orlando is where
I'm at. Yeah, it's just

539
00:34:04,480 --> 00:34:08,880
like you can get away with having
like a weakness in your game. A

540
00:34:08,920 --> 00:34:15,519
point guard who is best on the
ball cannot be like a non threat to

541
00:34:15,559 --> 00:34:19,000
score. And like I get it, like cool post up game, you

542
00:34:19,000 --> 00:34:21,920
know good you have to be as
a post and like you know, upper

543
00:34:21,960 --> 00:34:24,320
paint player as a point guard,
you have to like to succeed as that,

544
00:34:24,400 --> 00:34:28,119
like that's your offensive bread and butter. Not saying this is the case

545
00:34:28,159 --> 00:34:30,159
for this guy, but like you
gotta be Jalen Brunson good. Now,

546
00:34:30,159 --> 00:34:34,360
Brunson can do a million other things, but like you gotta be Jalen Brunson

547
00:34:34,400 --> 00:34:37,079
in the mid post if like if
Folts is gonna have offensive value, like

548
00:34:37,199 --> 00:34:39,440
he's got to be that good.
He's not that good. Like no,

549
00:34:39,679 --> 00:34:44,400
basically nobody is. Nobody does what
Brunson does at that position. And I

550
00:34:44,400 --> 00:34:47,280
will say, like his drop offs
that like in terms of efficiency from mid

551
00:34:47,360 --> 00:34:52,000
range this year is and he dealt
with injuryacently played, was he played in

552
00:34:52,000 --> 00:34:54,440
twenty five games or whatever it is? Is absolutely if that's like a thing

553
00:34:54,519 --> 00:34:59,920
that sticks, that is absolutely jarring, and then gutting for his functional value,

554
00:35:00,199 --> 00:35:05,119
he's shooting eleven percent from three and
he's like his career twenty seven percent.

555
00:35:05,519 --> 00:35:08,840
Liked, find me a guard that
has been in a major role on

556
00:35:08,920 --> 00:35:13,559
a on a team that is going
to be as good as Orlando wants to

557
00:35:13,559 --> 00:35:16,599
be with that, Like that's an
oversimplification, but like that doesn't work.

558
00:35:16,639 --> 00:35:20,119
You can't do it. You can't
do it, like in the modern NBA,

559
00:35:20,199 --> 00:35:22,599
you cannot be So if he's if
he I think he would be.

560
00:35:23,159 --> 00:35:27,679
I would be surprised if he has
a major like a bench role even you

561
00:35:27,719 --> 00:35:30,519
know, like fifteen minutes a night
on the best version of this Magic team

562
00:35:30,519 --> 00:35:34,480
in the next couple of years,
just because like you know, like you,

563
00:35:34,679 --> 00:35:37,559
I think you hit on it,
especially if he's got the ball and

564
00:35:37,679 --> 00:35:43,920
is scoring. Like that's just such
a low expected value proposition, compounded by

565
00:35:43,920 --> 00:35:46,199
the fact that you're taking opportunities away
from your better offensive players. Like so

566
00:35:46,639 --> 00:35:51,599
he's he's a good defender, he's
a good passer, but like he has

567
00:35:51,679 --> 00:35:54,039
no off ball value whatsoever. And
that really to get all the way back

568
00:35:54,079 --> 00:35:58,039
to what we said about the Magic
Forever, that's what their guards need to

569
00:35:58,039 --> 00:36:00,880
have is off ball value. If
you want Bank, Harrow and Wagner to

570
00:36:00,880 --> 00:36:04,599
be running your offense a lot of
the time. The other the guards,

571
00:36:04,639 --> 00:36:07,400
you're conventional backcourt players who'd normally be
distributing have to be able to hit shots,

572
00:36:07,440 --> 00:36:10,079
and folks can't do it. So
it's just kind of I don't know,

573
00:36:10,400 --> 00:36:14,760
it seems fairly straightforward to me.
Yeah, And he is averaging one

574
00:36:14,840 --> 00:36:19,360
point two field goal attempts per game
as a spot up shooter. His effective

575
00:36:19,400 --> 00:36:23,599
field goal percentage in these situations are
thirty point six. He's yielding point six

576
00:36:23,679 --> 00:36:28,920
to three points per spot up possession
that is in the fourth percentile, and

577
00:36:28,960 --> 00:36:30,920
I recognize that, like this is
the extreme, but he was in the

578
00:36:30,960 --> 00:36:36,960
twenty fifth percentile last year, and
he was in the thirtieth percentile the year

579
00:36:37,000 --> 00:36:40,800
before that, and the volume has
just been He had two point three attempts

580
00:36:40,920 --> 00:36:45,960
as the spot up guy last year, and it's just in now, could

581
00:36:45,039 --> 00:36:49,800
he be someone? I just feel
like this has never been his game.

582
00:36:49,880 --> 00:36:52,800
Has he ever been in the environments
where it could be. He's not going

583
00:36:52,880 --> 00:36:55,760
to be like a super great cutter
and you probably need to be a little

584
00:36:55,760 --> 00:37:02,480
bit more laterally explosive. Then he
he did average last season one point four

585
00:37:02,599 --> 00:37:06,559
one points per possession as a cutter, And so if you can generate enough

586
00:37:06,559 --> 00:37:09,320
space, it's never it's just that's
what you're trying to use. Markkel Ful

587
00:37:09,360 --> 00:37:13,559
says, I just don't see it, and maybe maybe we're missing something so

588
00:37:13,920 --> 00:37:16,440
people can feel free to get at
us if he's going to be like if

589
00:37:16,440 --> 00:37:21,960
it's can he use the poet like
used post touches to sort of shift his

590
00:37:22,039 --> 00:37:24,719
value or increase it. It's to
me anyway, it's definitely not happening in

591
00:37:24,800 --> 00:37:29,440
Orlando. No, that not not
seeing it. That would bring us to

592
00:37:30,400 --> 00:37:31,880
the what are we up to?
Oh? The Philadelphia seventy six ers.

593
00:37:31,920 --> 00:37:37,639
So the question I have is from
someone who uh is remaining anonymous, wishes

594
00:37:37,679 --> 00:37:42,920
to remain anonymous. Can Paul Reid
and Mobamba prevent the Sixers from entering the

595
00:37:42,960 --> 00:37:46,159
plan? And the follow up question
to that is is it even worth having

596
00:37:46,239 --> 00:37:51,480
Joel and Be come back this season? Oh? Bad news, They're in

597
00:37:51,519 --> 00:37:55,679
the plan. As we're recording this, they have slipped to seventh and uh,

598
00:37:57,159 --> 00:38:00,559
we've just lauded the heat. Maybe
the Knicks join them down there if

599
00:38:00,599 --> 00:38:04,559
they ever, if they can't get
healthy ever. But no, I do

600
00:38:04,599 --> 00:38:06,639
not think Mobama and Paul e can
come out of the play. And I

601
00:38:06,679 --> 00:38:08,920
know that's like a tongue in cheek
question, just kind of a bummer all

602
00:38:08,960 --> 00:38:14,320
the way around. The more interesting
one we haven't talked about. This shouldn't

603
00:38:14,320 --> 00:38:20,920
be bother coming back this year?
I think. I think probably because on

604
00:38:21,000 --> 00:38:23,920
the off chance that he is still
like the MVP version of himself coming back

605
00:38:23,960 --> 00:38:29,639
from a meniscus injury, which is
an off chance, like it's not likely.

606
00:38:30,320 --> 00:38:32,920
Then don't you have a you know, a puncher's chance I guess of

607
00:38:34,039 --> 00:38:37,079
making the conference finals? And who
knows what happens. I mean, like

608
00:38:37,159 --> 00:38:39,679
cause if you say no, he
shouldn't come back and play at all,

609
00:38:40,400 --> 00:38:45,679
you're punting. And like the idea
of punting when you have an MVP like

610
00:38:46,000 --> 00:38:52,119
in or around his prime just like
doesn't sit right with me. But you

611
00:38:52,119 --> 00:38:53,800
know, I wouldn't put it past
Darryl Morey and the Sixers to just you

612
00:38:53,840 --> 00:38:57,800
know, they've always they've talked on
and off about like, well, we're

613
00:38:57,800 --> 00:39:00,079
trying to do it this year,
but also position ourselves for the offseason to

614
00:39:00,119 --> 00:39:04,679
add another star. So they have
kind of had an eye towards the you

615
00:39:04,679 --> 00:39:07,159
know, more distant future. I
guess, you know, mid term future,

616
00:39:07,199 --> 00:39:10,320
I guess. But I think if
in Beef can come back and play,

617
00:39:10,320 --> 00:39:14,679
he probably should just because it you
know, maybe you make a deeper

618
00:39:14,760 --> 00:39:16,800
run. I don't. I don't
know what do you think I think he

619
00:39:16,960 --> 00:39:20,679
should? And it's not really about
that, because I think that this team

620
00:39:20,760 --> 00:39:22,719
is just cooked for the playoffs if
he comes back and he's just Joel and

621
00:39:22,719 --> 00:39:27,039
Beid, Okay, fine, he
hasn't been Joeling being like any postseason he's

622
00:39:27,039 --> 00:39:32,440
ever been in for the entire postseason, right, So I think you wanted

623
00:39:32,480 --> 00:39:36,119
to come back so, okay,
can we get an idea of what Buddy

624
00:39:36,159 --> 00:39:38,079
Healed, Tyrese Maxi, and Joel
and Me look like together. That's more

625
00:39:38,079 --> 00:39:42,679
important information to me. I know
they have cap space this summer, and

626
00:39:42,679 --> 00:39:44,639
a lot of people are kind of
trolling it by saying, well, who

627
00:39:44,639 --> 00:39:47,679
they're gonna sign in free agency just
resigned bias Harris. I'll repeat what Keith

628
00:39:47,679 --> 00:39:52,639
Smith's gift says from his pot track. Cap space doesn't need to be used

629
00:39:52,639 --> 00:39:54,480
on free agents. It can help
facilitate trades in a big way. They

630
00:39:54,480 --> 00:39:59,199
could bring back some of their own
guys like a Melton, like a Buddy

631
00:39:59,239 --> 00:40:01,320
Heeled, and still have shit ton
of cap space because if Tyrese Maxiy's low

632
00:40:01,360 --> 00:40:05,559
cap hold. So I think it
would be great to get some information on

633
00:40:05,599 --> 00:40:08,519
what that three man combination could look
like. I don't know how valuable that

634
00:40:08,599 --> 00:40:12,960
is because then you're talking about embeat
as hobbled. You're not getting a lot

635
00:40:13,000 --> 00:40:15,920
of practice time anyway, but it's
still better than working with a net zero

636
00:40:15,039 --> 00:40:20,679
sum of information. Now, what
I will say is the Sixers do have

637
00:40:20,800 --> 00:40:25,639
their own draft pick this year,
and as you said, they were in

638
00:40:25,719 --> 00:40:30,199
the play in as we speak.
If they were really looking to like try

639
00:40:30,800 --> 00:40:34,719
and just get I guess they can't
do this because Tyrese Maxi's camp would be

640
00:40:34,760 --> 00:40:38,039
pissed that they would cost him all
NBA eligibility at some point. Or is

641
00:40:38,039 --> 00:40:42,840
he already hit sixty five games?
You get Tyre's Maxi to sixty five games

642
00:40:42,840 --> 00:40:45,920
even though you still if you benched
him, you'd be costing him all NBA

643
00:40:45,000 --> 00:40:47,800
consideration. I don't think he makes
it anyway, to be honest with you,

644
00:40:47,880 --> 00:40:53,159
but he has played in fifty five
Okay, so yeah, But could

645
00:40:53,159 --> 00:40:57,400
they like if they wanted like a
real epic just run of trying to increase

646
00:40:57,480 --> 00:41:00,599
either could they could they drop past
the Atlanta Hawks made there's seven losses ahead

647
00:41:00,599 --> 00:41:05,639
of them, probably not so tough
and be might as well because Trey Young's

648
00:41:05,639 --> 00:41:07,800
injured in Atlanta too, even though
some people think, like right, well,

649
00:41:07,800 --> 00:41:13,599
they're better without him. So I
I think he should come back.

650
00:41:14,239 --> 00:41:17,519
I just don't view them as a
serious threat in the playoffs if he is

651
00:41:17,559 --> 00:41:22,599
back, because not because I don't
think Joel Embiid is a great player,

652
00:41:22,800 --> 00:41:25,000
just I can't envision him being Joel
Embiid in the playoffs. If he's coming

653
00:41:25,039 --> 00:41:30,079
back with five games to play or
whatever in the regular season. Yeah,

654
00:41:30,360 --> 00:41:32,039
yeah, it's sad. That was
the only question we had on this.

655
00:41:32,159 --> 00:41:35,880
Do you have any thoughts on just
their cap space plan, Like you're you

656
00:41:36,000 --> 00:41:37,679
they're one of the most fascinating teams
to watch this summer, I think for

657
00:41:37,719 --> 00:41:40,440
sure. Well, as you're telling, you know, like that the thing

658
00:41:40,480 --> 00:41:45,679
that Keith said keeps ringing in my
ears, like I wonder if this is

659
00:41:45,840 --> 00:41:49,960
you know, this would be very
much like a Moory thing of like being

660
00:41:50,000 --> 00:41:53,079
out ahead of a trend and realizing
that like, yeah, cap space,

661
00:41:53,639 --> 00:41:57,920
well, these free agents suck,
Like what do we YEA Tobias Harris coming

662
00:41:57,920 --> 00:42:00,480
back is not like a value add
We're just getting back to neutral. That's

663
00:42:00,519 --> 00:42:06,519
maybe not the point. Maybe maybe
the Sixers realize, like you know,

664
00:42:06,760 --> 00:42:08,840
you know, uh, these the
second Apron stuff. You know, what's

665
00:42:08,880 --> 00:42:13,079
gonna happen is teams are really gonna
want to shed money, like badly,

666
00:42:13,159 --> 00:42:15,480
and they might be willing to pay
through the nose to shed money. And

667
00:42:15,519 --> 00:42:20,480
if we are able to take money
on that space is way more valuable than

668
00:42:20,519 --> 00:42:22,519
it's ever been before. Like we
could ask for a lot because hype of

669
00:42:22,639 --> 00:42:25,360
let's I don't know what the specifics
would need to be. But it's like,

670
00:42:25,599 --> 00:42:29,760
well, let's just say that.
Let's just say that Lords and Rodriguez

671
00:42:29,800 --> 00:42:32,079
get their tax bill for next season, like whoa, whoa, It's like

672
00:42:32,199 --> 00:42:37,440
Jae McDaniels come on down, or
just like hey, how many Hey,

673
00:42:37,519 --> 00:42:40,519
Hey Warriors, Hey Clippers. Hey, this just throwing out teams that are

674
00:42:40,519 --> 00:42:45,320
gonna be second Apron teams. Hey
Wolves, how many first will you give

675
00:42:45,400 --> 00:42:47,880
us to take on Karl Anthony Towns? Like oh, you know, because

676
00:42:47,960 --> 00:42:52,039
it just because what if it's like, yeah, our tax bill, you

677
00:42:52,159 --> 00:42:54,199
were this much into the second Apron, we're getting our picks frozen and we're

678
00:42:54,199 --> 00:42:58,960
gonna pay like two hundred million dollars
and tax or whatever. It is just

679
00:42:59,000 --> 00:43:02,920
some insane number, you know,
like there's a world where suddenly these huge

680
00:43:02,920 --> 00:43:07,719
money contracts, like teams would actually
maybe pay to get off of them.

681
00:43:07,760 --> 00:43:10,199
That's not crazy, depending on like
ownership, depending on how big that tax

682
00:43:10,239 --> 00:43:15,440
bill is. I mean, like, the Wolves are not giving up for

683
00:43:15,480 --> 00:43:20,920
anyone. I know you're not.
You're not giving first. But as you

684
00:43:20,960 --> 00:43:24,039
mentioned, I'm defending you. I'm
saying joking. You know, there'd be

685
00:43:24,079 --> 00:43:28,760
somebody in the YouTube comes to be
like you've never watched a Timberwolves game this

686
00:43:28,880 --> 00:43:34,559
season, so like, yeah,
could you wind up getting a Norman Powell

687
00:43:34,639 --> 00:43:37,320
because the Clippers decided to attach a
first round pick? Damn? Or you

688
00:43:37,360 --> 00:43:40,199
mentioned the Warriors be really funny,
like where they grease the wheels of an

689
00:43:40,239 --> 00:43:46,400
Andrew Wiggins. Yeah, so I
didn't really think about it in those terms.

690
00:43:47,119 --> 00:43:51,360
I think it's you know what the
one is. And I'm not saying

691
00:43:51,400 --> 00:43:54,719
there'd be a pick attached, but
what if the Celtics just get juiced in

692
00:43:54,760 --> 00:43:59,440
the second round or something. It's
like down by it's not even you're great,

693
00:43:59,559 --> 00:44:02,599
but we can't pay for this seam. Like just our payroll on taxes

694
00:44:02,760 --> 00:44:07,920
is five hundred million dollars and uh, we don't have any picks anymore,

695
00:44:07,079 --> 00:44:10,679
and we're totally screwed by all the
second apron rule. Like, I think

696
00:44:12,079 --> 00:44:16,519
there is a good chance that smart
slash smart and good teams are clearing cap

697
00:44:16,559 --> 00:44:21,880
space with the idea of like we're
hit, we're entering an environment where we've

698
00:44:21,960 --> 00:44:25,599
never been able to get more with
our cap space because teams are so we'll

699
00:44:25,639 --> 00:44:30,000
be so motivated to get off of
contracts that maybe aren't even actually like objectively

700
00:44:30,039 --> 00:44:34,119
bad, they're just bad for the
team that they're on because they've got all

701
00:44:34,119 --> 00:44:36,960
these other obligations that puts them in
the second apron. I don't know that's

702
00:44:36,960 --> 00:44:38,000
it. I didn't think about it
that way. I thought about it more

703
00:44:38,039 --> 00:44:40,480
as just like they don't have to
give up as much value to get players

704
00:44:40,480 --> 00:44:44,920
they want because they're saving teams so
much money. That's an extension of that,

705
00:44:44,920 --> 00:44:47,280
but that's a really good that's a
more extreme version of what you're saying.

706
00:44:47,280 --> 00:44:51,119
It's like it might even be you
get paid to take on a contract

707
00:44:51,159 --> 00:44:53,199
as opposed to like the price is
lower. That you try to think of

708
00:44:53,280 --> 00:44:58,000
just among the teams that are going
to be in the second apron, either

709
00:44:58,079 --> 00:45:00,559
this summer like or coming up,
maybe they want to get out in front

710
00:45:00,599 --> 00:45:01,719
of it. By the way,
where it's what if a player's numbers is

711
00:45:01,760 --> 00:45:06,719
just smaller to move now like Karnthine
Towns would have been an example of the

712
00:45:06,719 --> 00:45:08,480
trade deadline, the salaries about the
Skyrock. I don't think there's really anyone

713
00:45:08,480 --> 00:45:13,119
else out there, like who's the
best player? You could envision just getting

714
00:45:13,159 --> 00:45:20,239
moved for either nothing or like is
it Zach Levine? I mean, there

715
00:45:20,280 --> 00:45:25,119
was no the market was barren you'll
recall what was a desolate healthscape. That's

716
00:45:25,159 --> 00:45:29,679
what it was. All right,
Well that was fun. Hey, look

717
00:45:29,719 --> 00:45:32,440
we broke new ground on the Sixers
being early adopters of the value of cap

718
00:45:32,480 --> 00:45:37,519
space Toronto Raptors from Got Sports Go
Go. How close are the Raptors to

719
00:45:37,519 --> 00:45:43,440
top eight and what exactly do they
need to add? No, I mean,

720
00:45:43,599 --> 00:45:45,400
if we want to, if I
want to be an asshole, they

721
00:45:45,440 --> 00:45:50,880
are currently five games, five games
seven, twelve games back in the lost

722
00:45:50,880 --> 00:45:54,039
column from number eight eleven games back. But how close are they from being

723
00:45:54,079 --> 00:45:58,079
at they like? When you look
at what's boil it down to what is

724
00:45:58,079 --> 00:46:00,840
their core the players that are I'm
not saying everyone's untouchable, but these are

725
00:46:00,880 --> 00:46:05,000
the players they're actively looking to keep. I don't want to put him in

726
00:46:05,039 --> 00:46:07,280
here, and I know he's banged
up, but I think he's just important

727
00:46:07,519 --> 00:46:12,840
when it comes to like maximizing quickly
Yaka Perle quickly, RJ Barrett Barnes,

728
00:46:12,880 --> 00:46:15,800
and I'm throwing Grady Dick in there. That dude is on a heater and

729
00:46:15,280 --> 00:46:19,519
he is doing real stuff as a
shooter, and he's shown some of the

730
00:46:19,519 --> 00:46:24,480
ability to attack some closeouts. Just
to ask Moses Moody. So I have

731
00:46:24,559 --> 00:46:28,960
those five guys, and like,
could I see them bringing back Bruce Brown

732
00:46:29,039 --> 00:46:31,360
or Gary Trent Junior depending on like, and they have Kelly Olynnick. They

733
00:46:31,360 --> 00:46:34,760
can still get to I think like
twenty eight or twenty nine million in cap

734
00:46:34,800 --> 00:46:37,760
space if they get rid of everybody
and I just decide, like, let's

735
00:46:37,760 --> 00:46:42,199
bring Brack GTJ, Let's bring Brat
Bruce Brown. I honestly do think as

736
00:46:42,239 --> 00:46:46,519
currently constructed, they have like seven
to eight really good players and they could

737
00:46:46,519 --> 00:46:51,599
be a top eight team if everybody
stays healthy. Now their need is very

738
00:46:51,599 --> 00:46:54,840
complicated because I think you could make
a case for this was the team that

739
00:46:54,920 --> 00:46:59,079
member projects six nine. It does
feel like they could use a bigger forward

740
00:47:00,159 --> 00:47:04,079
because like Scottie Barnes is there,
Archie Verrett has nice size, but he's

741
00:47:04,079 --> 00:47:07,880
not a bigger forward. And then
it's you have Kelly Olinic and Yaka Peerdle

742
00:47:07,440 --> 00:47:10,920
like, so it feels like the
I think a bigger forward is my answer.

743
00:47:10,960 --> 00:47:15,079
But I could also make a case
for, well, do you want

744
00:47:15,119 --> 00:47:20,199
another floor general type because that's not
really a manual quickly at that point then

745
00:47:20,239 --> 00:47:22,920
though, where you're starting a manual
quickly, So it's like, can you

746
00:47:22,960 --> 00:47:25,239
shift him down, you know,
to the Gary Trans junior spot or up,

747
00:47:25,360 --> 00:47:29,199
let's say, to the Gary Trans
Junior spot and then get more of

748
00:47:29,239 --> 00:47:32,400
like an actual floor general a pair
with Scottie Barnes, Like I could make

749
00:47:32,440 --> 00:47:36,400
a case for that, or I
could say, like a Linic and Purl

750
00:47:36,440 --> 00:47:39,840
are nice, but I would like
someone who's functionally just better than both of

751
00:47:39,880 --> 00:47:43,840
those guys and maybe does a little
bit of everything that they provide. Where

752
00:47:43,840 --> 00:47:46,559
it's can we get a floor spacing
riom protector or a floor spacer who could

753
00:47:46,599 --> 00:47:50,519
pass, or maybe just someone who's
not afraid to shoot free throws or can

754
00:47:50,559 --> 00:47:52,480
shoot them at a real clip other
than Yaka Purdle. But I think the

755
00:47:52,519 --> 00:47:59,559
answer is kind of like a bigger
forward or another wing type, don't don't

756
00:47:59,559 --> 00:48:02,920
you do you think? Because I
kind of feel this way that they're sort

757
00:48:02,960 --> 00:48:07,519
of committed to some degree to quickly
being the point guard, assuming you're gonna

758
00:48:07,519 --> 00:48:10,320
have to pay him twenty five million
a year potentially, Like I you know,

759
00:48:10,360 --> 00:48:14,519
the numbers of the range has been
between seventeen was maybe or eighteen what

760
00:48:14,559 --> 00:48:19,159
the Knicks offered that he didn't like
and he wanted twenty seven or something like.

761
00:48:19,559 --> 00:48:22,880
I wonder if if trading for quickly
came with the understanding, which I

762
00:48:22,880 --> 00:48:24,159
think it did, that they're going
to they're going to sign, they're gonna

763
00:48:24,159 --> 00:48:30,320
extend otherwise. Yeah, so like
if you then go if then their need

764
00:48:30,360 --> 00:48:36,199
is a true floor general, like
you know quickly, I don't love quickly

765
00:48:36,280 --> 00:48:39,760
and cal in tandem with another small
guard like I think I think he sort

766
00:48:39,800 --> 00:48:44,880
of he sort of has to be
that that spot right to justify the cost

767
00:48:45,159 --> 00:48:47,360
or because that's that's a tough look
if he's off the bench, isn't it.

768
00:48:49,199 --> 00:48:51,400
No, I was saying that,
can you shift him to the two?

769
00:48:51,800 --> 00:48:53,159
Have the one? You're saying you
just don't want him at the playing

770
00:48:53,199 --> 00:48:55,199
with another guard, I'm not.
I don't know. I would defer to

771
00:48:55,239 --> 00:48:58,719
you because you've seen so much more
quickly than I have. How do you

772
00:48:58,760 --> 00:49:00,559
feel about him as a two if
you've got, say, like a conventionally

773
00:49:00,599 --> 00:49:04,360
sized part next to him. He's
just the way he played with the Knicks,

774
00:49:04,360 --> 00:49:07,559
and I think some people think his
defense is overrated, and maybe on

775
00:49:07,679 --> 00:49:10,960
the ball it's overrated, but in
terms of screen navigation and he's Yeah,

776
00:49:12,039 --> 00:49:14,639
so I'd be okay with it.
But it's like, where are you getting

777
00:49:14,639 --> 00:49:17,519
that name? And if you're drafting
him, that's a weird and so I

778
00:49:17,519 --> 00:49:21,519
I so, and I also when
you were talking, it made me think

779
00:49:21,559 --> 00:49:27,800
of they might just believe that that
Quickly RJ. Scottie and then even Perle

780
00:49:28,079 --> 00:49:31,360
just in this dark Oroyakovic offense,
like your playmaking is done and so yeah,

781
00:49:31,400 --> 00:49:35,159
we need to funds and fiddle with
the backup stuff for sure. And

782
00:49:35,159 --> 00:49:37,880
I think that's a fair when you
look at the past percentage of both Quickly

783
00:49:37,920 --> 00:49:42,280
and RJ. Barrett on their drives
in Toronto versus New York, they have

784
00:49:42,360 --> 00:49:45,639
skyrocketed just because of the way that
the Toronto's offense is space for one.

785
00:49:45,880 --> 00:49:51,119
Yeah, there's now they're space.
So I I do. I'm with you

786
00:49:51,159 --> 00:49:54,960
though that you probably made the assumption
then in dark Oroyakovic's offense, he is

787
00:49:55,000 --> 00:49:59,360
starting at the one and it's him
in Barnes, which is probably a reasonable

788
00:49:59,360 --> 00:50:04,559
gamble to make, or at least
an assumption to make. What is what

789
00:50:04,639 --> 00:50:09,519
This sort of touches on though,
because they're committed to paying Quickly and Barrett's

790
00:50:09,519 --> 00:50:12,880
on a second deal and you have
a linux, you extended him, you

791
00:50:12,920 --> 00:50:15,480
paid Perle where do you land on
the whole, Like, do you want

792
00:50:15,480 --> 00:50:19,239
the pick to San Antonio to convey
this year? Is it better to get

793
00:50:19,280 --> 00:50:22,280
that guy, have it as a
trade asset or someone to develop immediately.

794
00:50:22,840 --> 00:50:27,639
I see the merriage to both.
I've always been team get this fucker to

795
00:50:27,639 --> 00:50:30,119
convey because I want my pick commitments
done and so I can figure out how

796
00:50:30,119 --> 00:50:34,360
to move on from here. But
you could say they're probably gonna be better

797
00:50:34,400 --> 00:50:37,480
next year, so you'd be sending
a lower pick in what might be a

798
00:50:37,480 --> 00:50:40,760
better draft, but it's a lower
pick. I think. I think I

799
00:50:40,960 --> 00:50:45,199
like the idea. It's a risk, right because you're you're not sure you're

800
00:50:45,239 --> 00:50:49,199
gonna get inside that top six and
keep it, and everybody says this draft

801
00:50:49,239 --> 00:50:52,400
sucks, so like, I don't
know how valuable that is anyway, but

802
00:50:52,800 --> 00:50:55,480
I think if you believe, and
I think Toronto probably should think this.

803
00:50:55,920 --> 00:50:59,360
And this is going back to the
question like how close are they the top

804
00:50:59,400 --> 00:51:02,039
eight, Like they're going to be
better next year. They have to be

805
00:51:02,039 --> 00:51:06,320
better next year, and so I
think I kind of like the gamble of

806
00:51:06,400 --> 00:51:09,119
like let's let's pack it in,
let's try to keep this pick and then

807
00:51:09,440 --> 00:51:14,400
the one we convey next year.
Let's hope it's like twenty one or something,

808
00:51:14,400 --> 00:51:15,679
you know, something like that.
Let's hope that's how it works out.

809
00:51:15,920 --> 00:51:21,199
But you know, I, I
I think I typically agree with you

810
00:51:21,239 --> 00:51:24,440
that like we got to get these
stupid encumbrances like off because it's just such

811
00:51:24,440 --> 00:51:29,519
as it's hamstrings so much. I
think in this case, I might be

812
00:51:29,599 --> 00:51:31,880
willing to gamble and try to keep
this pick and then hope that the one

813
00:51:31,920 --> 00:51:36,440
you give up is shitty next year. Okay, look at this point the

814
00:51:36,480 --> 00:51:38,920
decision might just be made for them
because we don't margin and the half court

815
00:51:38,960 --> 00:51:43,760
offense has been all sorts of fucked
up ever since the Seaakham trade. I

816
00:51:43,800 --> 00:51:46,239
think I think the Barnes injury is
the thing that makes me it's like,

817
00:51:46,400 --> 00:51:50,000
well, what are we doing anyway? Like we're not going to learn anything

818
00:51:50,039 --> 00:51:52,519
about this team really now, so
you might as well just like just you

819
00:51:52,559 --> 00:51:55,880
know that is like DJ Cart and
Rasure and I won't stand for it.

820
00:51:55,960 --> 00:52:02,159
So let's see there's another one here
from Jason. I did want to very

821
00:52:02,239 --> 00:52:06,280
quickly, do you have like a
preference on what is the archetype of player

822
00:52:06,360 --> 00:52:08,840
that maybe you got to boil it
down to one that they need if quickly

823
00:52:10,079 --> 00:52:13,960
and move on? Or is it
right? Isn't it always like an og

824
00:52:14,199 --> 00:52:19,320
Andobe type maybe like that he's young, is he still available? Can we

825
00:52:19,360 --> 00:52:24,360
do that? Uh? Delan o'banton, I think someone just with some size.

826
00:52:24,679 --> 00:52:28,400
No, I think I hadn't really
thought of it this way, But

827
00:52:28,400 --> 00:52:31,639
I think you're right that if if
Barnes is gonna be your guy, which

828
00:52:31,679 --> 00:52:37,440
I think justifiably that the Raptors believe
that, and you have quickly in a

829
00:52:37,440 --> 00:52:39,239
little bit with Barrett, like you
probably do have enough playmaking, so like

830
00:52:39,280 --> 00:52:43,000
a true point guard may not be
that big of a need. So just

831
00:52:43,079 --> 00:52:45,320
you know the classic the big wing
like the Project six nine, like two

832
00:52:45,320 --> 00:52:49,320
point zero, like, but not
let's not go nuts this time. Let's

833
00:52:49,320 --> 00:52:52,719
just get like one or two of
them. Something like that makes more sense

834
00:52:52,719 --> 00:52:57,079
to me. But I also like
I like a Linok and Pearle like you

835
00:52:57,119 --> 00:52:59,679
know, it's easy to say,
let's get a floor spaceer who can defend

836
00:52:59,679 --> 00:53:02,679
the rim and switch or whatever,
but like those there's five Like I kind

837
00:53:02,719 --> 00:53:06,719
of the idea and I want to
see more of it, but of having

838
00:53:07,280 --> 00:53:09,639
if you could get that wing type
then and play a linic with Barns and

839
00:53:09,679 --> 00:53:15,360
that wing type to where the like
it's five out and then it's like okay,

840
00:53:15,400 --> 00:53:20,599
Barns and that wing guy. Like
the rotations they're gonna give you either

841
00:53:20,719 --> 00:53:24,440
lower around the basket will offset maybe
a lot of Kellyolynics defensive deficiencies. Yeah,

842
00:53:24,480 --> 00:53:29,639
and just his passing is like he's
not the same type of playmaker as

843
00:53:29,719 --> 00:53:32,960
Jaka Pertl, but he's more of
like a full like floor playmaker, like

844
00:53:34,079 --> 00:53:37,119
let's put the ball and so the
stuff he was doing in Utah specifically,

845
00:53:37,159 --> 00:53:39,880
So yeah, yeah, agree with
my own point. No, no,

846
00:53:40,280 --> 00:53:44,320
Olynic is like one of those you
have to watch him enough, but like

847
00:53:44,320 --> 00:53:47,360
he's an aggressive, like creative passer. Well he'll be like on the wing,

848
00:53:47,480 --> 00:53:51,360
you know, thirty feet from the
basket and like whip a bounce pass

849
00:53:51,480 --> 00:53:53,519
like diagonally across the floor. Like
he's that kind of passer, which which

850
00:53:53,559 --> 00:53:58,159
is really valuable. So yeah,
we didn't even I didn't even include him

851
00:53:58,159 --> 00:54:01,119
in the like playmaking by commit for
Toronto. So he's another guy there.

852
00:54:01,840 --> 00:54:07,280
Jason hindelelast, are you at all
considering structuring your cap slash personnel strategy to

853
00:54:07,320 --> 00:54:10,360
try to bring home Shay as a
free agent? In three years? Can

854
00:54:10,400 --> 00:54:14,400
I answer this? No, you're
not. Nobody should be thinking three years

855
00:54:14,599 --> 00:54:16,159
out ahead, but go ahead.
Yeah, I mean. And also,

856
00:54:16,320 --> 00:54:21,760
just the state of free agency is
just these players either don't reach it because

857
00:54:21,760 --> 00:54:24,800
they're signing extensions or and like Shay
is gonna be a super Max eligible guy,

858
00:54:24,800 --> 00:54:28,440
Like that's gonna be something that happens. And the other thing is just

859
00:54:28,480 --> 00:54:30,480
like even if they they're not leaving
in free agency, they're leaving me a

860
00:54:30,480 --> 00:54:34,679
trade. And so if you want
to plan around this way, and I

861
00:54:34,679 --> 00:54:37,480
wouldn't do it, do you keep
an open mind and want Shay Gildas Alexander

862
00:54:37,519 --> 00:54:40,320
on your team? Fuck? Yeah, of course you do. Like everybody

863
00:54:40,360 --> 00:54:44,199
everybody is. You should just be
stocked. You should just be trying to

864
00:54:44,199 --> 00:54:46,000
build the best team if possible,
so that you could then have the trade

865
00:54:46,000 --> 00:54:51,159
assets to go out and acquire Shay
or the star that becomes available. But

866
00:54:51,280 --> 00:54:52,760
no, we're not in that.
And the only thing I'll say is does

867
00:54:52,800 --> 00:54:55,599
this change at all? And three
years is far and off in it.

868
00:54:55,679 --> 00:54:59,519
So if you really believe it's gonna
change and these players are gonna start leaving

869
00:54:59,559 --> 00:55:02,159
in free and see, have that
conversation, like you can't be like Scotty

870
00:55:02,239 --> 00:55:06,719
Barnes is good now, like you
can't just be and structuring your books,

871
00:55:06,760 --> 00:55:08,639
by the way, is sort of
a heavy lift because you have a manual

872
00:55:08,719 --> 00:55:13,840
quickly just about to sign his new
deal. R Jay's deal kind of aligns

873
00:55:13,840 --> 00:55:15,239
with it. I guess Purdles does
as well. So you're just kind of

874
00:55:15,280 --> 00:55:20,280
saying, we're gonna have everyone from
here on out that we sign sign aside

875
00:55:20,280 --> 00:55:23,400
from Scottie Barnes is temporary. That's
like, that's a lot of churn for

876
00:55:23,480 --> 00:55:28,159
three years. I think. I
think one of the things that has really

877
00:55:28,280 --> 00:55:30,440
changed both in my the way I
look at the league and I think how

878
00:55:30,440 --> 00:55:35,760
the league operates now is like you
know, you'd hear all the time like,

879
00:55:35,800 --> 00:55:38,159
well, they're really gearing up for
cap space in like twenty nineteen.

880
00:55:38,320 --> 00:55:40,760
That's gonna be a big crime.
You know, it's like twenty fourteen or

881
00:55:40,760 --> 00:55:45,880
whatever is when this is being said, it's like I think everybody understands now,

882
00:55:45,960 --> 00:55:51,280
like you can think about next year. Maybe that's it. You get

883
00:55:51,440 --> 00:55:54,400
like that's that is where your future
planning. You need a hard cut off

884
00:55:54,639 --> 00:55:59,119
at like thirteen months from now,
like you can't go farther out than that.

885
00:55:59,440 --> 00:56:01,400
Because things changed too fast. It
doesn't work. You can't do that,

886
00:56:01,400 --> 00:56:05,800
that's the and but so I started
covering the league in twenty eleven,

887
00:56:05,840 --> 00:56:07,599
I bet you if I started now, and I think we kind of see

888
00:56:07,599 --> 00:56:12,519
it with who's the best in the
business, I wouldn't know nearly as much

889
00:56:12,519 --> 00:56:15,440
about the salary cap and the CBA
now if I started covering the league as

890
00:56:15,480 --> 00:56:20,960
I did in twenty eleven, because
like that was post decision and that's what

891
00:56:21,039 --> 00:56:23,440
everyone was doing, and so you
needed to know, Like we know that

892
00:56:23,480 --> 00:56:27,159
the league a lot of the big
media companies, including our own, skew

893
00:56:27,199 --> 00:56:30,679
towards transactional coverage because it works.
But because that works, Like that's why

894
00:56:30,719 --> 00:56:34,039
I know so much about the CBA, because I needed to. And now

895
00:56:34,079 --> 00:56:37,119
I feel like to cover this league, you don't need to know as much

896
00:56:37,159 --> 00:56:40,880
about it because it's just not there
are still the intricacies there. But like

897
00:56:40,920 --> 00:56:44,840
we even kind of saw it it
this year's trade deadline where it's just like

898
00:56:44,880 --> 00:56:47,480
all right, like there's just not
as like much creative like voodoo going on,

899
00:56:47,559 --> 00:56:52,559
and like the Sixers are the only
team that is actively and maybe Detroit

900
00:56:52,840 --> 00:56:55,360
a little as like actively planning,
like to use their cap space. It

901
00:56:55,400 --> 00:56:59,760
feels like or structured. The Sixers
are the only team I feel like actively

902
00:56:59,760 --> 00:57:01,920
went their way to structure their books
this way. Well, what's and what's

903
00:57:01,960 --> 00:57:06,320
the last one to really do that? And then is it the Nets when

904
00:57:06,320 --> 00:57:09,960
they got Durant and Kyrie? Is
that like the last one the Rockets getting

905
00:57:10,400 --> 00:57:16,079
almost brook Lopez almost? No,
that's even that's different. Yeah and no,

906
00:57:16,159 --> 00:57:19,719
it just it doesn't happen anymore.
All Right, we got to get

907
00:57:19,760 --> 00:57:22,920
to the Wizards. I think it's
your turn to ask. Oh I saw

908
00:57:22,920 --> 00:57:27,039
the question. Uh, shout out
to anyone who gave us questions on the

909
00:57:27,039 --> 00:57:29,559
Wizards. By the way, I
appreciate both of you. Well one wasn't

910
00:57:29,639 --> 00:57:32,639
just about the Wizards, but I
looped to hear so HP Burgie, what

911
00:57:32,800 --> 00:57:37,039
is the best way out of the
Jordan Poole experience? He has two questions?

912
00:57:37,119 --> 00:57:39,559
Let's start They have two questions.
Let's start with that. Grant,

913
00:57:40,039 --> 00:57:45,159
here's my follow up question today,
would you trade ja jo Zoxander for Jordan

914
00:57:45,199 --> 00:57:49,280
Poole? And look, did I
ever actually say that? Did I ever

915
00:57:49,360 --> 00:57:52,199
actually rank him above? I'll wear
it. I'll wear it as a bit

916
00:57:52,559 --> 00:57:55,000
kind of the podcast. Jacob Bourne
will search it in messages. I asked

917
00:57:55,039 --> 00:57:58,599
him about it, probably the same
day I asked you about it. He

918
00:57:58,760 --> 00:58:01,760
said no, and I believe this
that went down, And I then responded

919
00:58:01,760 --> 00:58:07,400
by saying, Grant's on the fence
too. I wonder if this must have

920
00:58:07,480 --> 00:58:12,400
been like Pool must have just had
forty and made like thirteen incredible layups or

921
00:58:12,440 --> 00:58:15,719
something several years ago. Agree just
to thinke that way though the way,

922
00:58:15,800 --> 00:58:20,880
of course, the best way out
of the Jordan Pool experience is to have

923
00:58:20,920 --> 00:58:23,239
a teammate punch him, sabotage this
season, and then you trade him for

924
00:58:23,320 --> 00:58:29,760
Chris Paul's expiring contract. That's the
only way. No, Like, the

925
00:58:29,840 --> 00:58:32,840
Jordan Pool experience is real sad right
now. Like he's clearly not having any

926
00:58:32,840 --> 00:58:37,320
fun. He's on a terrible team. He's making the thing worse. It's

927
00:58:37,400 --> 00:58:43,079
just it's bad. I can I
interject to I hate when we like assigned

928
00:58:43,440 --> 00:58:51,360
player like characteristic not player like human
value based off what they're doing on the

929
00:58:51,440 --> 00:58:54,679
court or their contract, and so
which Jordan Poole, I'm I'm being overly,

930
00:58:54,679 --> 00:58:58,719
I'm being hyperbogga. He sucks at
basketball, so he's a terrible human

931
00:58:58,719 --> 00:59:00,000
being. Like, let's just make
fun of him to no end, and

932
00:59:00,000 --> 00:59:04,320
where it's like I don't really know
him from Adam as a human being.

933
00:59:04,480 --> 00:59:07,119
Did he deserve to get punched by
Graymond? I have? I have no

934
00:59:07,199 --> 00:59:10,360
idea, so right, but like
the best way out of the Jordan Poole

935
00:59:10,360 --> 00:59:14,960
experience is to just wait two more
years and then he's an expiring contract because

936
00:59:15,280 --> 00:59:17,159
right now you need to give up
something to get off him. Yeah.

937
00:59:17,280 --> 00:59:22,039
No, there there is no way
out now because this is as low as

938
00:59:22,039 --> 00:59:24,840
his value hopefully is ever gonna be. Right, Like, that's just that's

939
00:59:25,000 --> 00:59:30,519
it's not gonna get worse. So
greet your teeth and just be glad that

940
00:59:30,679 --> 00:59:36,159
what's happening with the Jordan Poole experience
is fast tracking the rebuild in Washington because

941
00:59:36,199 --> 00:59:39,199
it's making your draft picks better and
it might happen next year. So yeah,

942
00:59:39,280 --> 00:59:45,400
it's just it's a bummer. I
I really thought he was just gonna

943
00:59:45,400 --> 00:59:49,000
score in buckets, like he just
score a ton and be like inefficient,

944
00:59:49,039 --> 00:59:52,239
but nothing like this. This is
just people were betting on him to lead

945
00:59:52,280 --> 00:59:54,079
the league in scoring because they thought
it was not a long odds bet,

946
00:59:54,159 --> 00:59:57,679
Like hell, yes, I mean
you could get you thirty like, why

947
00:59:57,679 --> 01:00:00,000
couldn't he get you thirty? I
mean, that's not gonna lead the league

948
01:00:00,039 --> 01:00:02,119
obviously, because you know guys are
thirty three thirty four. But you could

949
01:00:02,159 --> 01:00:08,480
get you thirty on like what like
a forty three thirty six, you know,

950
01:00:08,599 --> 01:00:12,280
ninety shooting split, Like that's not
out. That wasn't out of the

951
01:00:12,280 --> 01:00:15,639
realm of possibility. It is now
that's not happening. The second part of

952
01:00:15,639 --> 01:00:21,440
this question from HB. Bergie,
what is the proper path to start the

953
01:00:21,519 --> 01:00:24,760
rebuild? What players on the roster
are actually worth keeping? I would say

954
01:00:25,159 --> 01:00:29,280
the proper way to start the rebuild
is what the Wizards did. They're on

955
01:00:29,360 --> 01:00:31,360
it, and they burned it down. And it was the circumstances where Bradley

956
01:00:31,400 --> 01:00:34,960
be able to know trade clause.
They didn't let that stop them, whether

957
01:00:35,000 --> 01:00:37,960
you like what they got for Christops, they didn't let that stop them,

958
01:00:37,000 --> 01:00:39,960
and so they burned it down.
That's the right way to start the rebuilding.

959
01:00:40,119 --> 01:00:45,159
And like, I think we even
thought it was smart to like,

960
01:00:45,239 --> 01:00:47,039
well, okay, the market for
Kusma's not great at the deadline, all

961
01:00:47,119 --> 01:00:52,119
right, we don't declining, and
it's like his salary's declining. I think

962
01:00:52,280 --> 01:00:57,119
I struggle to come up with a
move that the Wizards have made post Pool,

963
01:00:57,239 --> 01:01:00,400
because I think that was clearly a
mistake that in the re build that

964
01:01:00,480 --> 01:01:02,599
like I didn't like. I mean, you know, they've they've they've been

965
01:01:02,920 --> 01:01:06,440
it sucks, like this is gonna
be painful, They're gonna be bad for

966
01:01:06,480 --> 01:01:07,760
a long time, but this is
the way out, Like this is the

967
01:01:07,800 --> 01:01:10,960
only way out, and they're doing
it. When you look at players worth

968
01:01:12,039 --> 01:01:15,559
keeping, if I was to assign
core value to where and I don't want

969
01:01:15,559 --> 01:01:19,639
to use the word untouchable, but
it's like you're planning on having this player

970
01:01:19,679 --> 01:01:23,440
for multiple years. I think the
honest answer is it's only blah coolabali right

971
01:01:23,440 --> 01:01:28,880
now, I'm willing because I'm me
to put Denny Avdya in that equation.

972
01:01:29,039 --> 01:01:34,079
God damn better put Danny avda in
there after that. There's no one that

973
01:01:34,119 --> 01:01:37,119
I feel like I can't get there
with Corey Kispert, there's no one else.

974
01:01:37,159 --> 01:01:39,679
I think what you could say,
though, and the Spurs ran into

975
01:01:39,679 --> 01:01:44,239
this issue not so much because Wemby
just I mean, they still kind of

976
01:01:44,239 --> 01:01:45,440
have this issue to the effect,
there is value, and I think people

977
01:01:45,519 --> 01:01:51,119
confuse this. There is value in
having players who don't align with your timeline,

978
01:01:51,480 --> 01:01:55,119
but they simplify, streamline or optimize
the development of others. And most

979
01:01:55,159 --> 01:01:58,760
of the time I think that can
happen. Do you have someone who is

980
01:01:59,360 --> 01:02:02,360
super low usage but an excellent defender
so that they can have these lists or

981
01:02:02,920 --> 01:02:07,039
the more the more important answer me
is someone to organize your offense if you

982
01:02:07,079 --> 01:02:10,679
don't have that prospect on the roster. And so if I were the Wizards,

983
01:02:10,719 --> 01:02:15,239
especially because I didn't trade him,
I'm absolutely looking at bringing Tias Jones

984
01:02:15,280 --> 01:02:17,880
back just to have someone who can
manage the game, make life a little

985
01:02:17,880 --> 01:02:22,320
bit easier on the opportunities for Dennyavda
or on the opportunities that Blakulabali still is

986
01:02:22,360 --> 01:02:28,000
not getting on the ball, and
then like like as you mentioned with Kuzma,

987
01:02:28,039 --> 01:02:30,280
no you're not keeping him, but
it's not the end of the world

988
01:02:30,320 --> 01:02:32,000
if you don't move him this offseason. But my actual answer to this question

989
01:02:32,079 --> 01:02:36,079
is there are only two players that
I view as potentially part of the long

990
01:02:36,159 --> 01:02:39,880
term core Dnniyavvium Blakula Bali. And
if you're actively trying to bring players back

991
01:02:39,920 --> 01:02:44,440
and say why rather they didn't trade
him? Yes, I know Marvin Badley

992
01:02:44,480 --> 01:02:45,960
is all of a sudden protecting the
basket. Congratulations to him. He's not

993
01:02:46,000 --> 01:02:50,239
on this list. It'd be Tias
Jones for me, just because functionally,

994
01:02:50,320 --> 01:02:54,239
I think that has value that can
trickle down to everybody else's job. Yeah,

995
01:02:54,280 --> 01:02:59,679
I think that's it. I think
it's just those two guys and Kuzma

996
01:02:59,719 --> 01:03:02,039
and and Tias Jones for different reasons. Kuzma's not someone I think you want.

997
01:03:02,239 --> 01:03:07,239
He's like Kuzma's kind of like he's
a valuable he has positive trade value

998
01:03:07,239 --> 01:03:12,119
that you're gonna get something from.
But he's like kind of he's not helping

999
01:03:12,159 --> 01:03:15,000
the other guys get better, like
the way Tias Jones is. So he's

1000
01:03:15,000 --> 01:03:16,800
not that kind of guy. But
yeah, to your point, there's four

1001
01:03:16,840 --> 01:03:21,119
total, but that but that's it. I mean that I don't see anybody

1002
01:03:21,119 --> 01:03:24,320
else here, Like I mean,
Johnny Davis is a massive miss, Like

1003
01:03:24,400 --> 01:03:30,119
they just are not gonna get anything
out of him. Pools is been detrimental,

1004
01:03:30,199 --> 01:03:31,480
Like there's just not and there's not
really Like quietly, there's not a

1005
01:03:31,519 --> 01:03:35,360
lot of young guys on this Like
Patrick balerin Junior is not someone that I

1006
01:03:35,360 --> 01:03:37,719
think has mounted so much. I'm
just looking at their young guys. Ryan

1007
01:03:37,800 --> 01:03:42,880
Rollins is out of the league right
now because the shoplifting allegations, which that's

1008
01:03:42,920 --> 01:03:45,679
a one. The team saw him, did he land with I don't know,

1009
01:03:45,559 --> 01:03:47,760
I didn't see that he got picked
up. Yeah, I thought,

1010
01:03:47,840 --> 01:03:50,880
I thought, I mean, that's
neither here nor there at this point.

1011
01:03:50,880 --> 01:03:52,159
That has nothing to do with the
Wizards. Uh. Yeah, he got

1012
01:03:52,159 --> 01:03:57,960
picked up by the Bucks. Okay, so there must not be targets in

1013
01:03:58,000 --> 01:04:02,599
the Wisconsin area out of Minnesota.
So this final question to wrap up,

1014
01:04:02,639 --> 01:04:04,760
what is by the way, if
anyone hasn't guessed by now, this is

1015
01:04:04,760 --> 01:04:08,079
going to be split into two parts, is just the East and will do

1016
01:04:08,119 --> 01:04:11,800
the West next week. Because it's
me we should have known Grant like we

1017
01:04:11,840 --> 01:04:17,719
should have I think we knew after
the Nets. Yep. So everything,

1018
01:04:17,760 --> 01:04:23,519
Blacks says, and he left the
Rockets off of this list on purpose because

1019
01:04:23,519 --> 01:04:26,039
he thinks they'd be the easy answer. I probably agree. Of the six

1020
01:04:26,079 --> 01:04:30,440
teams that are clearly in rebuild mode
Spurs, Blazers, Hornets, Pistons,

1021
01:04:30,480 --> 01:04:34,360
Wizards, and Raptors, which team
do you believe A makes the playoffs first,

1022
01:04:34,400 --> 01:04:38,440
the real playoffs, not a play
in appearance, and B wins A

1023
01:04:38,480 --> 01:04:42,400
playoff series first, and he went
this route because he said ranking in terms

1024
01:04:42,440 --> 01:04:45,840
of upside was too easy because it's
just the Spurs. Yeah, well,

1025
01:04:46,000 --> 01:04:51,159
maybe let's go backwards. I think
just from who's farthest away, Washington Detroit,

1026
01:04:51,239 --> 01:04:54,639
I think we kick out. I
don't think. I don't think they're

1027
01:04:54,639 --> 01:04:58,039
going to make the playoffs win a
series first. I think the Blazers feel

1028
01:04:58,039 --> 01:05:00,960
a long way away. U You've
got the Spurs, the Hornets, and

1029
01:05:01,000 --> 01:05:04,920
the Raptors as your candidates for who's
gonna be a top what a tough?

1030
01:05:05,000 --> 01:05:10,400
So real playoffs is like top six
man, the West is tough, and

1031
01:05:10,400 --> 01:05:14,719
that factors in. Yeah, this
is why I probed the Blazers before the

1032
01:05:14,760 --> 01:05:18,360
Pistons. They could do some weird
stuff this offseason and just like up top,

1033
01:05:18,840 --> 01:05:21,519
they could go well yeah, I
mean the Blazers feel like they could

1034
01:05:21,519 --> 01:05:28,360
go either way. I'm gonna go. I mean the Raptors are like cheating

1035
01:05:28,360 --> 01:05:30,559
because they're technically the closest and you
have a rough idea of what that team's

1036
01:05:30,559 --> 01:05:33,960
gonna look like next year. I
think it probably should be the Raptors.

1037
01:05:34,000 --> 01:05:39,360
Just that's not cheating if they were
on the list. Well, so it's

1038
01:05:39,079 --> 01:05:44,039
answer I agree with you. Now, my question you would be which team

1039
01:05:44,119 --> 01:05:48,800
is more likely to win a playoff
series? First, Hornets are Spurs.

1040
01:05:48,840 --> 01:05:53,440
Man, I'd probably go change in
Charlotte, But I do think the Spurs

1041
01:05:53,519 --> 01:05:58,199
just have a better baseline where it's
there's Wemby, there's Devin Vessel, there's

1042
01:05:58,199 --> 01:06:00,400
like Trey Jones just being there,
there's and we sew it, and they

1043
01:06:00,840 --> 01:06:04,920
feel more likely because of when me
just being so good. If they go

1044
01:06:04,960 --> 01:06:08,719
out and get Trey Young this Offuly, they might make a win now trade,

1045
01:06:08,719 --> 01:06:13,400
whereas Charlotte still needs to do that, like they're kind of they're in

1046
01:06:13,400 --> 01:06:16,719
the infancy of competence, so it's
like they're not gonna do that. Yeah,

1047
01:06:16,800 --> 01:06:21,480
I think I think Charlotte in new
ownership, like Charlotte could go could

1048
01:06:21,519 --> 01:06:26,840
be like we're everybody's gone except LaMelo
and Miller. We just talked about that,

1049
01:06:26,960 --> 01:06:29,320
or we talked about that two hours
ago and we did. The Hornets.

1050
01:06:30,159 --> 01:06:32,159
The Spurs are like, the Spurs
cannot make anymore, let's get worse

1051
01:06:32,280 --> 01:06:35,840
moves like you are. Your right
to do that is stripped when you have

1052
01:06:35,920 --> 01:06:40,400
Victor Webbin Yama. So now it's
just we get better immediately and for as

1053
01:06:40,440 --> 01:06:43,440
long as we possibly can. So
yeah, probably the Spurs to win it,

1054
01:06:43,760 --> 01:06:46,400
win a playoff series, although they
feel it ain't happening next year.

1055
01:06:46,440 --> 01:06:48,480
I don't think you were in a
couple of Yeah, and it's just like,

1056
01:06:48,519 --> 01:06:51,159
look at the like Denver's not going
anywhere. Okay, see, he's

1057
01:06:51,199 --> 01:06:55,400
not going anywhere in Minnesota. We
make jokes about the taxes, but I'd

1058
01:06:55,400 --> 01:06:59,719
be shocked if they don't run back
their top five next year. They're not

1059
01:06:59,760 --> 01:07:03,679
gonna go anywhere. I mean,
like Alex Houston, Golden State like that.

1060
01:07:03,760 --> 01:07:06,840
The Lakers aren't gonna just pack it
in, like the Clippers are right

1061
01:07:06,920 --> 01:07:10,719
there, Like there's just I mean, there's what do we just mentioned eight

1062
01:07:10,719 --> 01:07:14,360
teams already? So I think the
answer, I mean, first of all,

1063
01:07:14,400 --> 01:07:15,920
it's mostly East teams on this,
but then the answer has to be

1064
01:07:15,960 --> 01:07:18,880
an East team, and the Raptors
are the right one. I think there's

1065
01:07:18,880 --> 01:07:24,039
probably a debate between the Hornets and
Pistons though for that second, like this,

1066
01:07:24,920 --> 01:07:30,559
I kind of like the but wh
when you're looking at the process by

1067
01:07:30,559 --> 01:07:32,880
which they've got here. But I'm
also just like Charlotte, everything is so

1068
01:07:33,000 --> 01:07:35,840
new, like you have the new
front office executive will Steve Clifford still be

1069
01:07:35,840 --> 01:07:39,840
coaching? Is LaMelo gonna be healthy? So there's just like a lot of

1070
01:07:39,920 --> 01:07:48,360
variables there. Yeah, yeah,
that's a good question though, stat padding

1071
01:07:48,440 --> 01:07:53,280
time, We're gonna do not as
much guess of players this time around,

1072
01:07:53,519 --> 01:07:56,880
and it won't be our usual stat
padding either because we've gone for so long

1073
01:07:56,960 --> 01:07:59,559
two and a half hours and counting, and this is a two part pot.

1074
01:07:59,599 --> 01:08:01,639
But still, gret, you have
a couple of guests of players for

1075
01:08:01,719 --> 01:08:04,360
me, A rumor has it,
I certainly do. These are from my

1076
01:08:04,480 --> 01:08:10,039
curnishing. I'm not going to give
you any prompts. I'm just going to

1077
01:08:10,119 --> 01:08:15,439
begin with clue number one and thanks
Mike. I was picked sixth overall in

1078
01:08:15,479 --> 01:08:19,680
the two thousand and four draft sandwich
between All Stars Devin Harris and lou All

1079
01:08:19,760 --> 01:08:30,199
Dang. So are you in pick
number six in four between Louel Dang and

1080
01:08:30,279 --> 01:08:35,680
who Devin Harris? I got nothing. Clue number two. It was this

1081
01:08:35,800 --> 01:08:40,960
draft that encouraged my team about our
future as they picked my potential future running

1082
01:08:41,000 --> 01:08:45,680
made at number seventeen. It's not
going to help you now. Clue number

1083
01:08:45,720 --> 01:08:48,199
three. I ranked third among rookies
in four oh five and double doubles.

1084
01:08:48,239 --> 01:08:54,000
Only Dwight Howard and a Mecca Okapour
were ahead of me. It was an

1085
01:08:54,199 --> 01:09:00,640
four big You're gonna have to keep
going, all right? Or Unfortunately there

1086
01:09:00,680 --> 01:09:03,960
was a clear ceiling on my NBA
potential with the team that drafted me,

1087
01:09:04,000 --> 01:09:11,000
as I fell into a sixth man
role after my rookie year. It's not

1088
01:09:11,159 --> 01:09:14,640
helping me. No. Number five. After my rookie contract ran out,

1089
01:09:14,840 --> 01:09:19,199
I signed overseas with Olympiacos Twist because
due to the tax breaks, my three

1090
01:09:19,239 --> 01:09:24,079
year, twenty million dollar contract was
the equivalent of a thirty three million dollar

1091
01:09:24,159 --> 01:09:28,279
NBA contract. I also received a
Nike shoe deal as part of this contract.

1092
01:09:28,359 --> 01:09:31,119
I did not know this. I
clearly don't know it either, all

1093
01:09:31,239 --> 01:09:34,439
right, Number six. In twenty
ten, my contract rights were traded to

1094
01:09:34,479 --> 01:09:38,680
the Sun, so he's back in
the league for a twenty twelve second round

1095
01:09:38,680 --> 01:09:42,279
pick. I then signed a five
year deal with Phoenix, but I didn't

1096
01:09:42,279 --> 01:09:46,479
stay long as I was amnesty to
make room for Luis Scola. Oh man,

1097
01:09:46,560 --> 01:09:54,479
I should know this, now,
shouldn't I? What did Phoenix amnesty?

1098
01:09:54,720 --> 01:09:59,439
Man? That's that's yeah, that's
the clue that if you were gonna

1099
01:09:59,520 --> 01:10:03,079
get the the other ones is like, you'd really have to remember that draft

1100
01:10:04,359 --> 01:10:10,960
that wasn't Yeah, okay, Clue
seven. I then signed with the Nets,

1101
01:10:11,199 --> 01:10:15,319
but was waived after three months and
fourteen games. I signed in twenty

1102
01:10:15,399 --> 01:10:18,319
thirteen with New Orleans, but only
played four games and twenty four total minutes

1103
01:10:18,920 --> 01:10:24,520
with the Hornets before going overseas again
to become an Australian League Superstar, winning

1104
01:10:24,520 --> 01:10:28,880
the league scoring title in twenty fifteen
and being an All NBL. I think

1105
01:10:28,960 --> 01:10:32,439
Mike means to say first team player. I did not know this either.

1106
01:10:33,800 --> 01:10:38,319
To Tanya Dap like I'm just gonna
throw out random names. Then I got

1107
01:10:38,359 --> 01:10:42,319
nothing. I'm trying to think of
what clues I would give. I'll give

1108
01:10:42,359 --> 01:10:45,000
you clue. You're probably gonna before
I give you Clue eight a clue.

1109
01:10:45,319 --> 01:10:51,159
What I would say is I had
just like a trash jumper form, like

1110
01:10:51,319 --> 01:10:57,159
just like one of the wonkiest jumper
forms ever. I think this guy went

1111
01:10:57,199 --> 01:11:02,000
to Stanford. I could be wrong
about at Uh. What else could I

1112
01:11:02,039 --> 01:11:06,119
say without giving it away? I'll
get if you're ready for this is your

1113
01:11:06,159 --> 01:11:11,560
eighth and final clue, but it's
pretty on the notes. I'm perhaps better

1114
01:11:11,600 --> 01:11:18,800
known as being the Hawk's second Josh
behind Josh Smith and my afro. Oh,

1115
01:11:19,000 --> 01:11:26,159
oh my god, Josh Childress.
That's right, that's right now.

1116
01:11:26,159 --> 01:11:29,520
I want to make sure that his
jumper was really funky, like he had

1117
01:11:29,560 --> 01:11:33,359
like we Kevin Martin looking for him, but it didn't go in. But

1118
01:11:33,399 --> 01:11:39,119
I'm not sure if I'm right about
that, all right. I didn't remember

1119
01:11:39,119 --> 01:11:43,239
this one him. No, that
was the first clue. Like I said

1120
01:11:43,239 --> 01:11:46,640
that, like just like sparked a
little something because I didn't remember the Olympiacos

1121
01:11:46,680 --> 01:11:49,760
thing. I didn't remember the Nike
shooting. I don't remember the NBL,

1122
01:11:51,039 --> 01:11:57,680
all right. Second one here from
Mike. I went undrafted in nineteen ninety

1123
01:11:57,720 --> 01:12:01,560
six before playing my first professional season
in Italy. Guessing you're not going to

1124
01:12:01,640 --> 01:12:05,560
get that one. No. Number
two. I signed during the ninety six

1125
01:12:05,760 --> 01:12:11,640
ninety seven season with the then Washington
Bullets, where I would stay until nineteen

1126
01:12:11,720 --> 01:12:18,199
ninety nine. Nothing. In the
ninety nine off season, I was traded

1127
01:12:18,199 --> 01:12:23,560
by the Bullets to Orlando for Isaac
Austen. It was during the ninety nine

1128
01:12:23,600 --> 01:12:26,880
two thousand season that I started getting
comfortable in the NBA. That wasn't enough

1129
01:12:26,880 --> 01:12:30,359
for me to stay long term,
however, as myself and Chuckie Atkins were

1130
01:12:30,399 --> 01:12:38,199
traded as part of the sign and
trade compensation for Grant Hill. I don't

1131
01:12:38,279 --> 01:12:42,279
not remember who's in that trade,
okay, but you know where this player

1132
01:12:42,359 --> 01:12:45,600
is now, like if because Grant
Hill came from Detroit, so this guy's

1133
01:12:45,600 --> 01:12:49,479
in Detroit. In my first clue
for In my first season with the Pistons,

1134
01:12:49,840 --> 01:12:54,600
I averaged over two blocks a game. The next season, I averaged

1135
01:12:54,640 --> 01:12:59,399
three and a half blocks per game, this winning my first of four Defensive

1136
01:12:59,399 --> 01:13:02,000
Player of the Year. Oh,
Ben Wallace, that's clue four. What

1137
01:13:02,079 --> 01:13:06,279
does flue five have? Uh yeah, I guess even more Clupe five was

1138
01:13:06,800 --> 01:13:11,199
I low key started the fracas that
led to the Malice at the Malice in

1139
01:13:11,239 --> 01:13:14,279
the Palace by shoving her on our
test WHU six. After I left the

1140
01:13:14,279 --> 01:13:16,520
Pistons for the Bulls, I was
not allowed to wear my signature headband because

1141
01:13:16,520 --> 01:13:19,199
of a very stupid rule the team
had. I forgot about this. Do

1142
01:13:19,239 --> 01:13:23,680
you remember this the headband thing?
Yeah? The reason they stopped it got

1143
01:13:23,680 --> 01:13:27,119
to maintain my glorious fro somehow.
Two froze. This is Mike comes with

1144
01:13:27,199 --> 01:13:30,199
themes. Two guys known for afros
Number seven I was a four time All

1145
01:13:30,239 --> 01:13:33,880
Star, five time All NBA,
six time All Defense, four times DPOY

1146
01:13:33,960 --> 01:13:38,039
and my number has been retired by
the Pistons. Ben Wallace, you got

1147
01:13:38,039 --> 01:13:44,000
it. This reminds me of the
time that this is probably ten years ago

1148
01:13:44,479 --> 01:13:46,039
where for b R. I don't
know if I pitched it or it was

1149
01:13:46,079 --> 01:13:49,239
a sign, but the idea was
like, do you need a top must

1150
01:13:49,279 --> 01:13:54,520
do you have a top ten player
to win an NBA championship? And I

1151
01:13:54,920 --> 01:13:59,840
think that those Pistons teams were like, I mean like Chauncey Billups like rip

1152
01:14:00,000 --> 01:14:03,159
almost in print, Gean Wallace like
there's no Then I was like, can

1153
01:14:03,199 --> 01:14:06,520
I make the argument that Ben Wallace
was in fact a top ten player in

1154
01:14:06,600 --> 01:14:10,760
terms of value during those years?
I think it was like a pretty big

1155
01:14:10,800 --> 01:14:13,600
stretch, but he was close.
He was like there, he was their

1156
01:14:13,600 --> 01:14:16,680
best player. I think I respect
to hustle. Thank you, good job

1157
01:14:16,680 --> 01:14:21,079
by two for two good Joe.
I mean, I got it on the

1158
01:14:21,159 --> 01:14:25,279
last clue on the first one.
That's not that was a hard one though,

1159
01:14:25,399 --> 01:14:28,399
Like he was, he was giving
you nothing the first like three or

1160
01:14:28,399 --> 01:14:30,439
four, I have two for you. I'm gonna punt on. Mike has

1161
01:14:30,479 --> 01:14:34,119
a great list Like I said,
we're pressed for time tonight, we have

1162
01:14:34,199 --> 01:14:39,000
one from Rubekscal and then one from
be Rich, So I'll start with Rubicks

1163
01:14:39,000 --> 01:14:43,359
Scal. Sure clue number one.
I'm the first player in the shot clock

1164
01:14:43,439 --> 01:14:46,680
era to have scored twenty plus points
without a single miss while also pulling down

1165
01:14:46,720 --> 01:14:51,239
fifteen plus rebounds in less than thirty
minutes, achieving the feat against Dallas in

1166
01:14:51,279 --> 01:14:55,640
twenty four minutes. And that is
not the only time I finished a game

1167
01:14:55,640 --> 01:15:00,279
with a field goal percentage of one
hundred. Man, I'm not so alls

1168
01:15:00,279 --> 01:15:02,960
I know is we're in the shot
clock era and he had a game with

1169
01:15:03,000 --> 01:15:06,880
twenty plus points without a single miss
and fifteen plus rebounds in just twenty four

1170
01:15:06,920 --> 01:15:13,279
minutes. Hm, So this guy's
not playing a lot, is making a

1171
01:15:13,279 --> 01:15:19,439
lot of dunks? All right?
I have. I couldn't even DeAndre Jordan

1172
01:15:19,680 --> 01:15:25,199
like I got. I gotta Kuto. Early on in my career is perceived

1173
01:15:25,199 --> 01:15:28,479
as a misfit in the era of
pace and space, a bruising big who

1174
01:15:28,479 --> 01:15:30,880
couldn't space the floor in a sense. That was and is true. Over

1175
01:15:30,920 --> 01:15:33,520
my career, more than ninety four
percent of my shot attempts have come from

1176
01:15:33,520 --> 01:15:38,359
within ten feet sixty percent of my
shot attempts are within a restricted area.

1177
01:15:38,680 --> 01:15:42,279
I've only attempted twelve threes in my
NBA career, and three of them were

1178
01:15:42,439 --> 01:15:45,159
end of the quarter heaves. And
I just I know, we got like

1179
01:15:45,199 --> 01:15:50,600
a plodding big guy here, all
right, What's I don't know, what's

1180
01:15:50,600 --> 01:15:55,479
the next clue? Clue three of
eight. By the way, for the

1181
01:15:55,520 --> 01:15:58,760
first half of my career, I
was used in short spurts primarily to body

1182
01:15:58,840 --> 01:16:02,960
up other giant centers Yo Kic and
Embiid, but my second coach quickly recognized

1183
01:16:02,960 --> 01:16:08,239
that I was nigh unstoppable on the
pick and roll. Nearly seventy five percent

1184
01:16:08,279 --> 01:16:12,279
of my main field goals are assisted, I've been shooting better than seventy percent

1185
01:16:12,319 --> 01:16:15,439
at the rim, and I'm an
excellent offensive rebounder off my own misses.

1186
01:16:16,079 --> 01:16:20,319
Is this Boban No? Hmm,
oh, I don't know. I don't

1187
01:16:20,359 --> 01:16:24,520
know what I think about your tone. I feel like I'm close. Boban

1188
01:16:24,680 --> 01:16:28,479
ever scored twenty plus points out of
fifteen rebounds in the same game. Uh,

1189
01:16:28,720 --> 01:16:31,560
clearly not. But I'm trying to
think who you would throw at,

1190
01:16:31,760 --> 01:16:38,079
Like, what low minute big guy
would you throw at embiid. Yo,

1191
01:16:38,199 --> 01:16:44,920
get your embiid where the names correct
and just score seventy percent gets his own

1192
01:16:45,000 --> 01:16:49,079
misses all the time. Uh oh, man, I feel like I should

1193
01:16:49,079 --> 01:16:54,760
at least hazard like one more big
guy. Guess who's just like enormous that?

1194
01:16:56,319 --> 01:17:00,800
Uh Alex lenn In correct? Okay, go ahead. I don't know

1195
01:17:01,359 --> 01:17:03,920
what can I do at the other
end of the court. According to Second

1196
01:17:03,920 --> 01:17:08,479
Spectrum, this season, I hold
scores to forty eight point seven percent at

1197
01:17:08,479 --> 01:17:12,039
the rim out of eighty seven players
who defend at least three point five shots

1198
01:17:12,079 --> 01:17:15,760
per game. Only Utah Jazz center
Walker Kessler holds scores to a lower percentage

1199
01:17:15,880 --> 01:17:21,960
than me this season. Okay,
so we're right now, man, who's

1200
01:17:23,000 --> 01:17:28,520
like a low minute rim protector?
Guy? I do? I will say,

1201
01:17:28,560 --> 01:17:30,600
I think you're getting a little hung
up on the low minutes thing.

1202
01:17:31,199 --> 01:17:36,039
Okay, broad near horizons? All
right? Is it Mitchell Robinson? That

1203
01:17:36,159 --> 01:17:41,439
is incorrect? Hmmm. I just
gotta keep naming a bunch of big guys.

1204
01:17:42,039 --> 01:17:44,800
You could do that, well,
I mean, but that's not in

1205
01:17:44,800 --> 01:17:46,319
the spirit of the game. All
right, what's my What's what am I

1206
01:17:46,359 --> 01:17:49,319
on? Clue five? Yeah?
CLU five is coming up? Okay,

1207
01:17:49,439 --> 01:17:54,560
I'm surprisingly mobile for a seven foot
or two hundred and forty pound European big

1208
01:17:54,600 --> 01:17:57,319
man. While I can switch and
hold my own against wings in a pinch,

1209
01:17:57,720 --> 01:18:03,159
I am best employed and drop coverage
incorrect. Oh, I felt pretty

1210
01:18:03,159 --> 01:18:12,039
good. Pearl European? Yeah we
where's Pearl from? I forget he's from

1211
01:18:12,039 --> 01:18:17,600
Europe? Uh? Yeah, all
right, Vienna, Austria. There you

1212
01:18:17,680 --> 01:18:25,840
go. So you knew that and
I did not European big I mean,

1213
01:18:25,840 --> 01:18:30,159
there's only so many. I think
you're gonna get it after this next clue.

1214
01:18:30,199 --> 01:18:36,600
Actually, okay, wait, is
this like I feel like I I

1215
01:18:36,720 --> 01:18:41,039
know that he's It would be very
sneaky to use this guy, but I'm

1216
01:18:41,079 --> 01:18:45,359
pretty sure his rent protection numbers aren't
that it's not Sabonis because this is rent

1217
01:18:45,359 --> 01:18:49,399
protection numbers are terrible. Yeah,
how many? All right? I don't

1218
01:18:49,399 --> 01:18:54,920
want to just keep guessing randomly,
So what's the next clue? Clus six

1219
01:18:55,000 --> 01:18:58,000
At a salary of slightly less than
eleven million a year, I'm the lowest

1220
01:18:58,039 --> 01:19:03,399
paid member of my team starting five
season. Eleven million a year European center.

1221
01:19:05,600 --> 01:19:11,399
Let me just go. There's just
gonna be a lot of dead silence

1222
01:19:11,399 --> 01:19:15,279
while I mentally scroll through a bunch
of teams thinking of the European starting center.

1223
01:19:19,039 --> 01:19:21,960
I want to look at the this
is this is how I solve problems.

1224
01:19:23,000 --> 01:19:29,880
I'm gonna look at the standings.
Let's see. Indeed, Chicago,

1225
01:19:32,079 --> 01:19:36,079
I'm just looking down the list of
teams trying to figure out what starting center

1226
01:19:36,159 --> 01:19:41,399
makes eleven million dollars. Oh,
zubats, that is correct? Okay.

1227
01:19:41,880 --> 01:19:45,359
The final concludes on one of eleven
players to be selected in the NBA Draft

1228
01:19:45,439 --> 01:19:49,119
from the Serbian club and Adriatic League
powerhouse Mega Basket. Hat tip to my

1229
01:19:49,159 --> 01:19:55,279
Mega coach Deyon Melovich making rest in
peace. Uh clue eight. I'm currently

1230
01:19:55,319 --> 01:19:57,880
my eighth season on my second NBA
team. My time with the first team

1231
01:19:57,960 --> 01:20:00,199
is spent watching from the benches.
Legendary center. So just Va Mosgov,

1232
01:20:00,600 --> 01:20:04,560
nearly retired Tyson Chandler and Javal McGee
took up most of the playing time.

1233
01:20:04,920 --> 01:20:09,600
Please do Javal McGee in Shack's voice, I can't even attempt a Shack voice

1234
01:20:10,199 --> 01:20:12,159
could have also gone. This would
have given it away. If you didn't

1235
01:20:12,159 --> 01:20:15,680
get I was gonna say I was
traded for Mike Muscala. We have to

1236
01:20:15,720 --> 01:20:18,439
stop spending so much time talking to
each other. Because I was like,

1237
01:20:18,560 --> 01:20:21,279
wasn't it I was thinking, I
was like, who did the Lakers training

1238
01:20:21,359 --> 01:20:25,600
for? Was it Muscala? Yeah, that's that's that's scary that. That

1239
01:20:25,720 --> 01:20:30,279
was the next thought. Okay,
we got there. Are you ready to

1240
01:20:30,319 --> 01:20:33,199
get into the mind of a psychopath? I am. I am prepared to

1241
01:20:33,199 --> 01:20:39,359
get into the mind of a psychopath
right now. Clue number one. I

1242
01:20:39,439 --> 01:20:42,800
was a lottery pick in nineteen ninety
nine and went on to have a seventeen

1243
01:20:42,880 --> 01:20:49,199
year career spanning nine teams. Elton
Brand incorrect, damn it? Okay,

1244
01:20:49,680 --> 01:20:53,199
clue too. In my third season, I led the league and assists per

1245
01:20:53,199 --> 01:21:00,439
game while starting eighty one games.
Andre Miller correct, nice job had not

1246
01:21:00,680 --> 01:21:03,920
the Clue three was in Ironman in
two thousand and five thousand and six,

1247
01:21:03,920 --> 01:21:08,159
I started all eighty two games for
the third consecutive season, and yep,

1248
01:21:08,199 --> 01:21:12,520
you guessed it. I was teammates
with Greg Buckner. In two thousand and

1249
01:21:12,560 --> 01:21:15,279
six, I was traded along with
Joe Smith and two first round picks Roylan

1250
01:21:15,319 --> 01:21:18,920
Iverson. Ooh, that was Clue
four. Clue five. I scored my

1251
01:21:18,960 --> 01:21:23,199
career high fifty two points at age
thirty three for the Trailblazers. While taking

1252
01:21:23,239 --> 01:21:26,640
him making one three pointer. Not
known for my long range shooting, I

1253
01:21:26,720 --> 01:21:30,439
averaged twenty one point seven percent from
deep for my career and finally, my

1254
01:21:30,479 --> 01:21:32,760
senior year in college, I dropped
just the fourth triple double in the NCAA

1255
01:21:32,840 --> 01:21:38,319
Tournament history and blew out the Mike
Bibbie, Miles Simon, and Jason Terry

1256
01:21:38,399 --> 01:21:41,960
lead Arizona Wildcats in the Elite eight. Am either the best your second best

1257
01:21:42,039 --> 01:21:45,439
NBA player out of the University of
Utah, depending on how you feel about

1258
01:21:45,439 --> 01:21:48,520
Tom Chambers. Do you remember that
Andre Miller fifty point game? No,

1259
01:21:48,880 --> 01:21:53,319
that was like that blew me away, as how the hell did he score

1260
01:21:53,359 --> 01:21:56,399
fifty two? You need to go
back and watch. I don't remember.

1261
01:21:56,399 --> 01:21:58,560
I don't think I watched it live. I've watched the highlights from that.

1262
01:21:58,680 --> 01:22:00,720
I think I might have had to
do like an animal three posts for it

1263
01:22:00,760 --> 01:22:03,800
on br at one point or something. It was freaking nuts. I don't

1264
01:22:03,800 --> 01:22:06,600
know that anyone could score fifty plus
points the way that he did in that

1265
01:22:06,640 --> 01:22:12,239
game. That guy. The the
very first thing I think of with Andre

1266
01:22:12,319 --> 01:22:16,680
Miller is he had the best fake
timeout call. He would do it all

1267
01:22:16,720 --> 01:22:19,640
the time, like you you know
players like get over the timeline and they

1268
01:22:19,640 --> 01:22:23,319
go up to the ref and like
look at you know, and pretend to

1269
01:22:23,359 --> 01:22:26,239
pick the ball up. He would
fake it and then just drive to the

1270
01:22:26,239 --> 01:22:28,960
basket and get a layup and then
they call the time out the next possession

1271
01:22:29,000 --> 01:22:31,680
down. I must have done it
ten times in his career. He kind

1272
01:22:31,680 --> 01:22:36,880
of feels like it granted this first
players faster, but like sort of that

1273
01:22:38,079 --> 01:22:44,840
Jose Alvarado and Tyas Jones had a
baby and like he had to wear ankle

1274
01:22:44,840 --> 01:22:50,199
weights to run around the court element
there. Yeah, because you bought that

1275
01:22:50,199 --> 01:22:54,399
one so quickly. How do you
feel about doing one for Mike? I

1276
01:22:54,439 --> 01:22:58,199
would love to who won? I
was drafted by the Clippers straight out of

1277
01:22:58,239 --> 01:23:02,079
high school. Oh, this shouldn't
be that hardship. I feel like you

1278
01:23:02,079 --> 01:23:04,319
could get this one, which is
why I said maybe we should do it.

1279
01:23:04,520 --> 01:23:14,319
Yeah, uh, straight out of
high school for the Clippers was Brandon

1280
01:23:14,319 --> 01:23:18,600
Boston out of high school. I
mean high school players can't be drafted in

1281
01:23:18,680 --> 01:23:24,840
the current d right, so no
some weird yeah, like maybe you went

1282
01:23:24,920 --> 01:23:28,680
to G League or something. All
right, that is me guessing. Smash

1283
01:23:28,720 --> 01:23:35,760
Parker. When we were talking about
Center government drafting, apparently a Clippers guy.

1284
01:23:35,840 --> 01:23:43,079
Draft oh Darius Miles correct after the
first clue Wow, there were seven

1285
01:23:43,119 --> 01:23:46,680
clues. Use Bill's clues were great
for uh. For Andre Miller, I

1286
01:23:46,760 --> 01:23:49,319
learned a lot. So what did
we got for this one? Known as

1287
01:23:49,359 --> 01:23:51,960
a high flyer, I was the
only reason people watched the Clippers in the

1288
01:23:51,960 --> 01:23:57,840
early two thousands. Clue three.
I was then moved to the cast for

1289
01:23:57,880 --> 01:24:00,960
Andre Miller. That's funny during the
time when the Cavs had very boring light

1290
01:24:01,039 --> 01:24:05,720
blue and black jerseys in the pre
Lebron era. Clue forour speaking of Lebron

1291
01:24:05,760 --> 01:24:08,760
when the Cows are going to draft
Lebron, I was quota of saying,

1292
01:24:08,760 --> 01:24:11,319
if he comes, he can hop
on our bandwagon and maybe he can do

1293
01:24:11,399 --> 01:24:14,560
something with us. Oops. He
took my starting job for me before I

1294
01:24:14,600 --> 01:24:18,840
was traded to Portland for Rubinel Me. I, I don't want to fuck

1295
01:24:18,920 --> 01:24:24,479
up Ruben. Boom boom oh boom
cha. That's how I remember that que

1296
01:24:24,840 --> 01:24:28,319
boom jay boom chack boom chay boom
chay. Yeah. I'm gonna need these

1297
01:24:28,399 --> 01:24:30,479
when they're like this to be in
there phonetically from now on, everybody,

1298
01:24:30,479 --> 01:24:34,760
Thank you very much. Clue five
I shredded my knee with the Blazers and

1299
01:24:34,840 --> 01:24:38,800
was never the same player. CLU
six. I ended my career with the

1300
01:24:38,800 --> 01:24:43,439
Grizzlies and sadly the clear bankruptcy in
September twenty sixteen before turning my fortunes around.

1301
01:24:43,840 --> 01:24:45,960
CLU seven, I now host a
podcast with my best friend for my

1302
01:24:46,000 --> 01:24:48,600
Clippers days. Do you know whose
best friend is? Oh? I was

1303
01:24:48,640 --> 01:24:51,399
gonna say, if you don't mention
Quentin Richardson at some point, that's an

1304
01:24:51,399 --> 01:24:55,079
oversight on this clue. Yeah,
those guys are joined at the hip for

1305
01:24:55,079 --> 01:24:59,079
the Clippers for sure. I feel
like you need to do this other one

1306
01:24:59,119 --> 01:25:01,560
now, all right. Clue one. I was one of the early prep

1307
01:25:01,560 --> 01:25:06,119
to pro draft picks in the mid
to late nineteen nineties. This is from

1308
01:25:06,159 --> 01:25:11,479
my cage, by the way,
one of the early prep to pros in

1309
01:25:11,520 --> 01:25:15,560
the nineties. What's that? I
can never remember the guy's name from the

1310
01:25:15,600 --> 01:25:21,199
Hawks, Damar Johnson. That is
incorrect. Okay, nice job remembering the

1311
01:25:21,239 --> 01:25:24,960
name from the Hawks, though,
Thank you. CLU two. I had

1312
01:25:24,960 --> 01:25:28,159
a hard time getting playing time with
several respected veterans ahead of me in the

1313
01:25:28,239 --> 01:25:30,279
rotation to start my career, one
of which is a Hall of Famer.

1314
01:25:31,079 --> 01:25:34,159
Oh, we don't know the team
yet, right, No, that would

1315
01:25:34,199 --> 01:25:39,319
give it away. Oh, prep
to pro then the team would give it

1316
01:25:39,359 --> 01:25:42,159
away. All right, what's the
next one? CLU three. This went

1317
01:25:42,199 --> 01:25:44,800
on for my first three years in
the league, but I was rewarded with

1318
01:25:44,840 --> 01:25:47,279
a four year, twenty four million
dollar contract. Anyway, this feels like

1319
01:25:47,359 --> 01:25:50,920
Jermaine O'Neil. That's because it is
Jermaine O'Neil. Correct, you just killed

1320
01:25:50,920 --> 01:25:57,079
it. There were eight clues Clue
four. Unfortunately, the front office gotten

1321
01:25:57,119 --> 01:25:59,560
patient with the team, wanted to
win now and through everything at the wall

1322
01:25:59,600 --> 01:26:01,960
and to see your moves. That
left the team with essentially eight starters,

1323
01:26:01,960 --> 01:26:04,279
and I was the ninth guy.
So I was traded for Dale Davis,

1324
01:26:04,520 --> 01:26:08,399
a move in which I became a
starter on my new team and Davis ultimately

1325
01:26:08,399 --> 01:26:12,359
got buried on the bench. CLU
five. I was the perfect running man

1326
01:26:12,399 --> 01:26:15,119
for my future Hall of Fame running
mate, as I could dominate the post

1327
01:26:15,119 --> 01:26:17,199
and he could drain threes like there
was no tomorrow. And by my second

1328
01:26:17,199 --> 01:26:20,640
season with my new team, I
was the face of the franchise. In

1329
01:26:20,680 --> 01:26:24,560
my third season, this is CLU
six. With this team, we had

1330
01:26:24,560 --> 01:26:27,479
the best record in the league,
but didn't win the title. CLU seven.

1331
01:26:27,600 --> 01:26:30,159
Goddamn it, ron our test the
mouse at the Palace got me a

1332
01:26:30,159 --> 01:26:34,079
massive suspension twenty five games. Clue
eight. After Malice, I battled injuries

1333
01:26:34,079 --> 01:26:36,680
for years, ultimately moving on to
the Raptors. He'd Celtics, Suns and

1334
01:26:36,720 --> 01:26:41,960
Warriors man prime Jermaine O'Neil. I
know his peak wasn't that long. Holy

1335
01:26:42,039 --> 01:26:44,800
fuck man, he was really good. He was really good that pit.

1336
01:26:44,960 --> 01:26:47,840
He was one of the biggest losers
out of the to Mallis and the Palace

1337
01:26:47,880 --> 01:26:50,920
references, by the way, because
like that that team was really good that

1338
01:26:51,479 --> 01:26:55,920
pace. He's one of those guys
too that if he entered the league today,

1339
01:26:56,640 --> 01:27:00,079
oh yeah, probably would even better
fit. Yeah, I mean he

1340
01:27:00,560 --> 01:27:04,039
super athletic, like I remember.
I remember him on the Warriors, believe

1341
01:27:04,039 --> 01:27:06,960
it or not, like and Mark
Jackson would throw him the ball in the

1342
01:27:06,960 --> 01:27:11,880
post like a lot and he was
washed and like, but he still could

1343
01:27:11,880 --> 01:27:14,920
like get a bucket occasionally even though
he couldn't really move. Yeah, he

1344
01:27:14,920 --> 01:27:16,479
would have. He would have come
in today and been like he would have

1345
01:27:16,479 --> 01:27:19,159
shot threes. He would have been
Yeah, he would have been really good.

1346
01:27:20,399 --> 01:27:23,119
That was great. Do you want
to take us out of here.

1347
01:27:23,119 --> 01:27:26,239
Thank you everybody for the guests of
players as always. Uh, Nicolcha,

1348
01:27:26,359 --> 01:27:29,319
I did not forget about yours.
I know you messaged me. Uh it

1349
01:27:29,479 --> 01:27:33,079
is one. We're gonna have to
do something with a grank because he's he's

1350
01:27:33,520 --> 01:27:38,560
He's from a not the NBA.
So he was drafted by the NBA.

1351
01:27:38,640 --> 01:27:41,159
But I don't think he ever played
in the NBA. This might be a

1352
01:27:41,159 --> 01:27:43,319
stretch with this dude's or a shadow. He was my favorite player from the

1353
01:27:43,319 --> 01:27:45,479
region when I was growing up.
Oh no, we played in the NBA.

1354
01:27:45,720 --> 01:27:49,600
Do you know? Do you know
the name? Uh? I know

1355
01:27:49,720 --> 01:27:53,720
now that I'm looking at I know
the name. But I don't think you're

1356
01:27:53,720 --> 01:27:57,319
not gonna get him. Okay,
that's fair. I could do it right

1357
01:27:57,359 --> 01:28:00,600
now if he was wanna. I
kind of want to now, Okay,

1358
01:28:00,640 --> 01:28:03,479
all right, Nicole Jay, here
it comes. I was the fifty first

1359
01:28:03,479 --> 01:28:09,000
pick in the nineteen ninety five NBA
draft by the Sacramento Kings. Oh no,

1360
01:28:09,079 --> 01:28:11,640
he chose never to play in the
NBA. I'm already ruining a clue.

1361
01:28:11,640 --> 01:28:15,760
I don't think you're going to get
this. I still we've come that,

1362
01:28:15,800 --> 01:28:19,439
we've started. Now we may as
well. I don't know, okay,

1363
01:28:19,960 --> 01:28:24,119
clue to a three time EuroLeague champion. During two of my EuroLeague runs,

1364
01:28:24,159 --> 01:28:27,279
I was the MVP at the final
four. I won national titles in

1365
01:28:27,319 --> 01:28:30,560
the Spanish ACB League, Italian A
League and the Greek Basket League. Holy

1366
01:28:30,600 --> 01:28:33,640
shit, man, And so this
is he was a you said the mid

1367
01:28:33,800 --> 01:28:38,479
nineties, like ninety five the King
he was drafted? All right, yeah,

1368
01:28:38,560 --> 01:28:41,800
I don't got it. Clue three. Despite all my success in Europe,

1369
01:28:41,840 --> 01:28:48,199
I chose never to play in the
NBA. M Oh my god,

1370
01:28:48,760 --> 01:28:53,600
I'm dying. And this is the
name, you know, like I've heard

1371
01:28:53,640 --> 01:28:56,880
of the name okay, which is
why I thought he didn't play in the

1372
01:28:56,960 --> 01:29:00,359
NBA. But then I thought I
read read one that he did. But

1373
01:29:00,399 --> 01:29:02,520
I was wrong. And we still
don't know. We don't have the nationality

1374
01:29:02,520 --> 01:29:04,600
of this player yet. Well you're
about to get them, okay. I

1375
01:29:04,920 --> 01:29:10,279
would like to have that, please, Kufour. With the Yugoslavia national team,

1376
01:29:10,640 --> 01:29:13,600
I won three euro Baskets and two
World Cups. I was the MVP

1377
01:29:13,720 --> 01:29:21,640
of the nineteen ninety eight World Cup. Hmmm, oh man, who was

1378
01:29:21,720 --> 01:29:29,319
this guy? Yugosla? I think
I? Oh, damn it. I

1379
01:29:29,760 --> 01:29:32,079
Okay, let's what's the next clue? It's right. Five. After my

1380
01:29:32,079 --> 01:29:35,079
playing career, I was a general
manager of Virtus Roma and Italy, the

1381
01:29:35,159 --> 01:29:40,760
vice president of the Basketball Federation of
Serbia, the president of the Competition Commission

1382
01:29:40,800 --> 01:29:44,119
in FOBA Europe, and now I
am the current president of the EuroLeague.

1383
01:29:44,279 --> 01:29:47,439
I definitely did not know that.
No, I don't think I'm going to

1384
01:29:47,479 --> 01:29:50,880
get it. How many more clues
do I have? One? Okay,

1385
01:29:51,000 --> 01:29:55,880
let's hear it. Who's six?
One of the original point forward. A

1386
01:29:55,880 --> 01:30:00,680
lot of people from the XU countries
would say Luca plays like me. Some

1387
01:30:00,720 --> 01:30:10,399
of my nicknames include White Magic Body
Bond and mister MVP body Bond. Yeah,

1388
01:30:10,920 --> 01:30:14,359
I'm not gonna get it. I
really think I'm gonna know the name?

1389
01:30:15,680 --> 01:30:19,760
Who is it? I am Dayon
Bottaroga. You know what, I

1390
01:30:19,800 --> 01:30:21,960
did not know that name. I'm
not. I could have played it off

1391
01:30:21,960 --> 01:30:25,520
and lied and said, oh I
die, I had it. I was

1392
01:30:25,560 --> 01:30:30,000
never gonna get that. Uh.
And then he Nicole close with a fun

1393
01:30:30,000 --> 01:30:33,760
fact about him. A rock band
wrote a song called sex droga Bottaroga,

1394
01:30:33,840 --> 01:30:39,000
which is basically sex drugs Bottaroga.
He's part of the basketball folklore in the

1395
01:30:39,039 --> 01:30:42,560
Balkans, okay Yo. Shout out
to the people that are just like following

1396
01:30:42,640 --> 01:30:45,439
multiple basketball leagues and I'm just like, I can't don't even follow college,

1397
01:30:45,600 --> 01:30:53,079
Like, yeah, you could barely
follow one. I thought Brandon Boston was

1398
01:30:53,119 --> 01:30:58,680
drafted out of high school. Maybe
I'm just gonna con further that he was

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that that there wasn't some like exception
made for Brandon Boston and you were really

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just ahead of the curve. I
think maybe he was just a really good

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high school player that like was shit
in his college season. Yeah he went

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to Kentucky. Yeah, yeah,
maybe that's what it was. Man.

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All right, well we've expanded into
EuroLeague Legends on Guessa Player. We're almost

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three hours into this podcast. Is
officially time to call it. Thank you

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for everyone that participated, Thanks for
your questions. We will get to the

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West next week. We'll maybe do
three more hours. Who can say thanks

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for the guests of players. Please
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friends, be involved in the process. Get on our discord if you are

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interested in merch and or joining our
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that got a word in this week, the links for that or in the

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YouTube and podcast description. I think
that's going to cover it. We close,

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as always, with a shout out
to the one only Frank Milatina and

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an apology to Jared now the computing
as content, and a point ass