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Or very good morning, Spain, good day, friends and friends, tireless
travelers of this three, of this epic train, the train of life,
a living parable, like life itself for thirty- two years, already traveling
through the children of the human soul and the most loving routes of the heart.
Today we have very good friends among us. Don' t miss it,
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o o. Ladies and gentlemen, yes, here we are. Wow.
This is an exciting, fast- paced train. Life is like that,
well, sometimes life has so many requieves. Look at this is a parable
of life, because a train trip suggests many things, external landscapes. While
we are sitting comfortably on the train, especially on the bird today, not
being told to the Minister of Turn, who is arguing the issue with competitors,
but the thing is that it goes very well, very comfortably. Different
trains, the albian bird, the bad euromet, so many good trains and
we go traveling and we go looking at the outside, the landscapes, a
lot, a lot of field through and many times populations and many curiosities that
one is meditating on himself with his things and the trajines, the mental rus
rum, but others good, at a given time, we have a newspaper,
a period of paper. I read digital newspapers every day from four to
five digital newspapers, but sometimes I like to have when I travel by train,
buy one or two paper newspapers and read the newspapers and read a book.
I read my Bible that I carry it too and prefer to read it
on paper as I have it here too that I have this volume Faximil,
which is the new two thousand twenty of the biblical partner. This is a
jewel, uh, and there is already a little touch- up in this
new edition, nothing that is orthographical, but bad, almost unrecognizable, but
that, as we are so purist, I say because I am part of
the board of biblical society and always look carefully at everything, because it is
there reading my Bible and enjoying it. I recommend to you about that,
the two thousand and twenty, which is masterful, among others, for us,
our Bible at the head. So what happens, because you' re
reading, you also have your iPad or your tablet, of course or your
laptop. A lot of people go to work, obviously have built- in
Internet or the WiFi from the train, that the Trein also has wi figense,
we have everything on the trip and then a coffee or you bring it
already I take a drop of water, but I like to go to the
wagon, to the bar and have a coffee on the train, a coffee
there and then, well, sometimes I travel in a single person seat,
because it does not give for itself so much. But if there' s
someone next door, maybe people don' t want to talk. Usually,
not this one you' re going to want, but I do try to
engage in a minimal conversation. Some people go more and sometimes find you people
who tell you about life and you tell them your stuff too and that'
s life. That' s life. So you don' t go and
come, you carry your luggage according to where you go or for how long
you go. So, that' s the way it goes. So,
this is the train of life. It' s a living parable, for
today we' ll be here with very good friends. Who will be with
us. Look, we' ve got José Valladolid. He is the president
of the Challenge Challenge association. In many of the local centers of return is
called Challenge to hope. Challenge is a well- known organization. I know
from hearsay and have ever seen Don Raimundo, who was the founder, an
Insignian man who is alive is still many years old, but he has a
lot of very brave energy. Very enterprising and well, I have very good
friends who were in challenge and that some of them are part of our network
of pastors today, but others who are there at the front, as is
the case of José Valladolid, a really close man, will check it out
and we want to know a little that good job that challenge is doing.
The challenge is an organization that does its work and does not care if their
prestige and such have it for what they do, for the fruit that is
seen, but they are very good workers in all the headquarters and the truth
work at the level of autonomous communities, work internationally in many countries and want
to know a little inside who is who. And in Don José Valladolid,
a little bit the current President, who many years ago, entered into a
challenge and he has assumed the presidency for a few years. And also,
because we want to know in depth about their performance, they work on humanitarian
projects of all kinds and tell us about them. We want to know why
it is an international Spanish organization. Let' s go there and then we
' ll have a guest in the second part as well. Osvaldo Rebolleda ores
va Rebra. He is a master of the word, a great teacher Look
have his page Osvaldo Rebolleda, want to remember, can access and have an
endless list books, but great and the big thing is that they are free.
It is pure generosity with subjects of all kinds and it is a man.
I met him recently, knew him by hearing from my good friend,
Pastor Antonio Ventas there in Orihuela, but I met him personally on my last
trip and made such a pleasant impression. He travels today, returns to Argentina,
to his hometown, and he travels constantly. He is a lecturer and
international and a man to listen to because he has a truly apostolic ministry.
Also without boasting anything does it because it goes with him and we will have
the taste and we will talk about God' s unlimited resources. I choose
the title because I think it suits him this resources. It' s just
that God has resources, man. Whether God man or woman. If God
does not have unlimited resources, who can have them other than him, not
artificial intelligence, not God' s god. He is our God, our
good God, and we will be with Don Osvaldo Rebolleta. Don' t
miss it and how we don' t have it There has Arroyo that is
not easy to our Spanish influencer, Basque pure, Cepa more international, magnificent
speaker and he is that Hael, because he preaches in one way to talk
of another. It does it' s trappings of this and good and Tiel
is a genius and believe me it is Some say sometimes it wears out one
of so much to let itself be seen and to talk if there are a
few such and they are good speakers, among them they were before Gebel in
another in another is a showman, but of the good ones actually look at
God through this June I will hear it on a trip that I have to
do to Madrid. One of those nights I' m there, I'
ll be listening to ante gebl but I like it, I like its creativity,
its ingenuity and, besides, the monologues it has are super cool.
But back to itier creek, well, we' re gonna have it.
Look You know that we have a congress here from 26 to 28 April,
here in Reus, in Tarragón, in the area of Catalonia, in the
Fira area, which is a gigantic pavilion where the great fairs that fit in
more than four thousand people are held. Then we have on top an auditorium
with seats also very nice for six hundred and fifty, that there we have
the meetings of pastors, that there are already about five hundred elderly pastors,
wives, leaders ofprime mainly pastors and pastoral leaders at this congress and you still
have time to enter. We' ll have him there and we' ll
be there too, but it comes as one to receive, he' ll
have a stake in me. You have to have a plenary. There are
four days, in fact, two and a half, but one for pastors,
where he too will have a participation in a forum and of course not.
He comes says I go to receive being there almost all weekend, Sunday.
You have to be traveling now, you have to travel to the United
States in a commitment you have, but we will have it and we will
talk about it with the title that Congress has until he comes, referring to
Jesus, I have titled it until Jesus comes? What' s going to
happen? Until Jesus comes? Well, that' s what we' re
talking about, and we' re also talking about Congress, the importance of
who' s going to be there. Mark Brunet, one of the best
- known composers in the Christian world. We sang their songs in almost all
our churches. Lucas also consley who comes in the group to take your place.
Mariano Sene also comes, as well or in a powerful precious word,
that of Mariano, the director of the Institute Mission in Montegrande, there in
Buenos Aires, and also Benjamin Núñez, a young man who is impressive to
hear. The truth is that well, they are three swordsmen of the word
plus and tiel Arroyo and we interviewed him. Don' t miss it,
because this interview is interesting until Jesus comes with Itira Rroya here on the train
of life and I remember again those who arrived good, but July, to
inform me of this res of Congress until he comes at the end of April,
he is barely fifteen days away, because Mira can enter three double uves.
Period, until he comes, period is there you have all the information
of a day of all Congress, the Precongress only for pastors and elders and
wives, of course, in this case, the day before. But until
he comes, that' s where they have all the information. And the
last interview is very, very nice, very affectionate for all evangelicals and Protestants
in the country. Look you know that we have a Evangelite hospital, from
the evangelit Hospital in Barcelona, many years on Cameliez Street, Barrio, very
very very Barcelona, a very interesting neighborhood, but well, that place was
small enough years ago and thought was given to the construction of a new hospital,
what has been called the Now Evangeli Hospital. The new Evangeli Hospital is
the Evangelical Hospital Evangelit Hospital in Barcelona, because it was no longer new,
it was the project and that is already a reality. I tell you to
see, you are going to watch video in the interview, photographs and we
are going to talk to your Director General, a very bold woman, who
is a squalid king Director General and very bold for the whole process, as
she has lived, as she has worked, as tied, with all the
human team. There are also doctors, doctors and has a very interesting intermediate
function, which is unusual. This hospital is going to have a large hospital
and the architectural design of the hospital has attracted the attention of many architects of
Barcelona, because it is very avant- garde, it is very original and
very beautiful and in tune with the history of the city Condal and think that
it is in the twenty- two arroa, in one of the best places.
Now he deserved this project, a hospital more than a hundred years old.
It was one of the hospitals that, when there was little hospital care,
this hospital that then had to name it foreign colonies, help me clearly
international, because good Francoism left it banned because it was Protestant, obviously not,
but then it restored everything when democracy returned. And here they are now,
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for as we announced to you here we are on the train of life.
This wagon I have called him the magisterial bum, because it is a
place of luxury in the sense that they look when I hear people so diverse
and with so many experiences and everything, each one comes from where it comes
from, each one is, each one, as you say rat No.
And we have here our friend, who is the current president of the Challenge
Association in Spain and also challenge is in many countries of the world. He
is popularly known as José Valladolid, but is José Manuel. Here we have
him and he will tell us all his last name, welcome José Manuel.
Thank you very much, thank you very much. Real name and surname,
first name and surname José Manuel Monjero, Gómez Monjero, José Manuel Monjero and
have Valladolid de Madina in the countryside more completely. That' s why he
leaves it. It was the theory of the field and many years ago I
was there, I was there in a campaign, passing by measure to the
camp Valladolid, when I had just converted to Jesus. I was very young
and I was still living Franco eh It' s the last years and it
was the year seventy- three. Or something like that and I remember going
through the villages doing with the portorado, offering bibles, new wills and a
kind of magazine that was Billy Grahal' s Book of Peace with God,
which we offered in the form of a magazine. And then, good for
the will that the people wanted, and we were also in that town,
in teams that we went with Eric Bermejo, Vicente Galán, who are some
men of God, some of them already left with the Lord and then one
of the anecdotes is that some of us took us the civil guard and took
us to the barracks and some left him locked up because we were the Protestants,
that we were spreading some revolutionary literature for the regime and it was very
curious. Then Don Juan Gilly came and took out my friend Pedro Albala who
was locked away for a couple of days. But how curious of that deep
Spain. No, yes, yes, nowadays Valladolid has very pretty. Yes,
but then there was I want it to be the Assembly of Brothers.
It seems to me that it was the only church in Valladolid, because curiously
continues my friend Luis Fagardo, yes girda, the Director General of Biblical Society.
I remember because my family had a bar. And, well, from
when I became a Christian, for I asked, I say, why have
I never met a Christian? And it was one day I remembered, I
mean, but right next to the bar there was a little window like a
window, where there was an open Bible. And well, it was an
evangelical church, what happens is that I had never known it was a church,
nor did I see the movement of a church people entering, that is,
I did not know it. It was when I was Christian, when
I was Christian, since I was able to approach and meet and well,
in fact, I knew a lot of the people who were there, because
they were people, because from there in the neighborhood not what, well it
' s look, what stories and how the years have passed. And well,
God' s work in Spain has grown immensely. No yes, it
is, it is not comparable, but Valladolid has today very good churches.
But today I agree that my good friend is from that very old church,
from the Assemblies of Brothers, which was a very powerful missionary movement for Spain
in the past. Well, then, as to how you came to know
Jesus in what way, what happened in your life. Well, as at
that time, in the 1980s it was years when Spain, well, had
a very important drug addiction problem. I, well, the truth is,
you could pretty much say I had a pretty successful life. I had a
very good job. I' m into basketball downstairs and, well, I
didn' t have much, I mean, practically no contact with everyone in
this world. But for one reason or another, for friendships, for certain
issues, I began to relate and well, with which, after three or
four years I ended up hooked to heroin. Well, this came to me
to have some income in the hospital in very bad condition and already one of
the times, well, they told me that I had to find a solution
to the problem I had then in Spain. The only thing they could say
to me was the work the Patriarch was doing and I challenge, I was
there, in Valladolid. And, well, challenge was free the Patriarch,
so the decision was easy to make. And, well, then, I
went to challenge. And, I don' t know, I don'
t know how it happened. Not always that I have to think of that
time I see as a grace, as one thing, an extraordinary miracle,
because I did not have, I was not looking for God, I had
no interest in the things of God. Well, I could just admit that
I had a drug problem and that' s what I came here for,
but little by little, something was happening in my life and well, in
a matter of less than three months, I could say that I was a
Christian. I went to my house and already went to my house with a
change in my life, with a transformation, having been born again because I
was someone else and not because of what I experienced, but because of what
they could say to my own family. Not from me, then I saw
a reality of what God did in my life. So that was my experience
in finding the Lord and also my experience in terms of my entry into challenge,
and I had no long- term plans, but also a time when
I felt that God wanted to do something in my life, here in the
work, in challenge. And since then, here I am and have been
since the year eighty- seven I arrived, for it is already how many
years, well, look, it is about forty years, the thirty-
seven exactly if you have a wife, you have a family, yes,
I married here in challenge. I also met my wife here and I have
other children. Gee, he hears what, four grandkids, four grandkids,
or this steals our hearts. Hey, how important it is when you feel
involved. Well, you could have been there, like so many others have
done and gone somewhere else to make an ordinary life in everyday life and not
so. But how important it is that you understood to be part of the
proactive, to recruit yourself into the army of challenge to reach out to others
and to continue helping and helping until today and indeed congratulations, because it is
to be thanked, because if there were no such people and well, there
would not be that vanguard help that there is in the centers as a challenge,
for example, you spoke of the Patriarch. I remember in the eighties
we and here in Barcelona, when we received the charismatic experience and such we
started a new community, that we came from the assemblies of brothers. Also
and I remember that the boys were dying in the night so and we broke
our heart and several in the street, in the neighborhood of Horta, and
well adopt it as my new neighborhood. And the truth is, and we
set up a center with a brother who senses us in a house. Then
we bought, as we could a piece of land and there we were almost
ten years and some of the leaders are still there working and then we transferred
it. But really all there was back then was the patriarchs, but the
patriarch was a sect. Actually, it was a sectarian group. As for
the dynamics that were there, I remember, I can' t tell you,
I can' t tell you. All right, so I' ve
met a lot of people who' ve been there, had friends and disappeared.
Yeah, yeah, she disappeared when Lucin the Mayer gene died. Well,
it started to divide a lot. It' s just that there'
s a big difference. I don' t mean, I don' t
know. No, I never knew Lucin Engel Mayer, I don' t
know his vocation his longing. But of course, when such a charismatic figure
disappears to the rest of the people, or has a very important vocation,
or if not, in the end the questions of money or and from this
it disintegrates itself, unlike what happens in a center as a challenge, that
there is a Christian implication. There' s an implication as to your dedicated
life, and that' s not one person' s, it' s
a lot of people. So, that' s why, well, I
can be or not be. And a challenge will continue to work, because
with the people who are at heart and who have given their lives to Lord
Yes, what happens is that I mentioned only this detail, because there were
no centers almost then and clearly the people or decanted that and we, when
we saw what we saw, we said we will do what we can.
Some also came from the world, from the street, from drugs, and
I too came from the rabal and problems too and that gave us a vision,
a little closer, but there was almost nothing. So that' s
why it' s good that organizations already appear as challenge and good and that
says, we' ve done the raymundo of an entire character, the well
- founded character. Yes, he was a missionary in Mexico, he went
there with his whole family and from there, then also by a personal call.
They ended up arriving here in Spain. And I think that the year
eighty- three eighty yes out there and in the year eighty- five is
when they get a little bit, let' s say the stones, the
foundations, a little bit of the work in the association. They first start
catching people in their house and then they rent a house and in Santander,
and there they start catching people, with the idea of that, of not
going further, of being able to have that house and where to catch people.
Which happens to be clear right away. It became small and there was
the need to go to other places until what is now challenging, not that,
because it is in many of the regions of Spain and in thirty countries
abroad. Not good, well with an important presence in some of the countries,
very important, very solid. Come on, yeah, well, then
they were, obviously, in those years and centers like Remar, like Bettel
or Cerma and so on, were appearing. But challenge, what I have
observed is a sustainable trajectory and it goes on, no and then that'
s interesting and until today and that' s still going on. And well,
and that speaks now what I do seem to understand and detect that the
needs of young people who have addictions among themselves to drugs, sex, other
issues and networks and who are sick, have varied a little bit truth,
yes, yes, obviously, the design drugs that are now affecting very differently.
There are other kinds of additions, as you well said, there are
also people who are simply people in need, battered women, women with problems.
Then it' s about being able to offer an opportunity, a way
out to anyone who needs it. What is true is that it' s
like the issue of drugs, heroin and all this always comes back, always
comes back. It seemed like that was a subject that was getting a little
bit parked, but now, since in the United States there is a problem
with hospital drugs, the frantanillo and other types of drugs that are gradually spreading
and already in Spain you find people with this type of methadone die in their
time, something good, but yes, but this is much more powerful.
Also, with a very fast progression, in very few days you are practically
hooked and shattered. Geez how many dangers and how many human stories of men,
women, young and not so young, you see human dramas of real
good, you live it on the front line, as was your case and
that of so many others, who better, who better than the one who
has lived it, but then they pass in front of you in eight hundred
so many cases. Some pass and disappear and leave, but others remain because
they have no life expectancy. They' re doomed to die if they don
' t take it seriously, at least recovery. When you know Christ.
This is really a vital ingredient. Not so, without disregarding the work that
other people do, for example, the work that makes alcoholics, anonymous the
vision in the end is that you are an alcoholic all your life and you
have to live as an ex- alcoholic, as someone who has problems and
who has to be there constantly vigilant to that situation. We, but mainly
because of what God does in our lives, do not believe in that the
possibility of a new person, of a new birth, of a person who
has had a problem and who has had a not- good victory. There
are things we all need to take care of and we already know the consequences.
No, but I believe in a new man, a completely renewed person
in a person who did, who had a problem, but that' s
already like an old nightmare, not that already happened. And there is a
victory in Christ, evidently, but there is a victory. This seems very
interesting to me that you think about this myself that sometimes groups of alcoholics come
here. Right now, your work is very much appreciated. Yes, that
was founded by a gospel Christian who had the problem of addiction to alcoholism than
alcoholism. I realized when we had the center at that time. The problem
we had the most serious to detoxify people was with alcohol. Alcoholism was more
serious than heroin addiction in many cases. Okay, then. In any case,
what they declare, I want to understand what they mean not I am
an alcoholic all my life. Of course you seem to believe your self-
stigma. No, I mean, it' s true that I have to
be on guard all my life when I' ve been a gambling addict or
whatever, obviously, but in Christ I' m a new creature and I
can' t go saying I have a new identity and it' s a
clear fact that you' re tired of developing. You can say that every
time. I am a miserable sinner who I want to tell myself so that
I am not not a repentant sinner, I am a redeemed sinner and I
do not trust myself in my old nature, but I do trust in the
new identity that God has given me in Christ. Sure, that' s
the right idea. Those things, I mean, honestly, we' ve
never been tempted again with drugs. I know that my nature, because it
has dangers and has things and I have to take care, like any man,
of many things, but specifically of those. Those. Not really.
I don' t know it' s, as it seems, a dream
and, above all, when you talk to someone, when you tell them
that you, because they always ask you in the third person. Listen to
those guys you have there and I say well, those guys. I was
one of those kids and then people say it can' t be. I
mean yes, yes, could it be? Yeah, maybe? Maybe?
It might be good, and there are so many cases in the life challenge.
I' m good. I see and admire those changes very much.
I was I grew up in the raval of Barcelona and I was born.
My brother was a dealer of camels or you were a proxinita look at the
environment I lived in. I was not addicted to heroin, but I was
a smoker of joints of those who had the cane that was to kill you
at that time, so that I gave you a heart attack and alcoholism,
a 13- year- old boy, fourteen fifteen until the eighteen that I
met Jesus. And the truth is that I can say as You, Jesus
changed my life substantially. It is true that there is a whole process,
that there are struggles, that there are moments of crisis of transitions, but
it was a real change and that I love. It' s not a
real change. God' s power changes life. When You make a determined
surrender to Christ and submit yourself to His project, it is not accurate.
The other day I had to go to the hospital for one thing they had
to look at me and I was wondering you baby, I say not since
the year eighty- five. It' s no good anymore, and you
smoke. I say not since the year eighty- five. He doesn'
t take drugs or something. I say no since the year eighty- five.
Was the man already saying what happened in the year eighty- five?
I said I met Cristóbal and that or year eighty- seven forgiveness, I
said I knew Christ and no longer had interest in any of these things.
The man was a little amazed to say the year why he spent the year
eighty- seven? Yes, yes, yes, yes, I wanted to
know what things are not, but that there are other cases that cost them
more and quiet and also there the Lord helps you, no, no,
all the cases are the same, already, but that is true. God
' s transformational power is so great for a life. And here we are,
here we are, we are after thanks to God, for the pure
grace of God, the grace of God. Hey And then the challenge is
in several cities and in several autonomous communities of Spain. Yes, well,
look to see less Castilla la Mancha, that there is no center in Castilla
la Mancha and Navarra either. But in the rest of the autonomous communities we
are in all, in some places with more presence, in others with less.
But, yes, yes, and well, as I said before,
we started in Santander, that is, it started in Santander and from there,
it started to open in other places, in Alicante, in Huelva.
Here in Barcelona And then, already, that' s when I started taking
the step abroad Mexico. There was a special bond because raimundo, as it
had been there, Russia, Russia, John had called to go there and
today in Rus O, be it good, there is a very strong,
very powerful implementation of the challenge. In fact, we were given a kind
of diploma from that of the entire Russian Federation as the association with the greatest
implantation or with the best work that was being done in the Russian Federation.
I mean, there are countries that are working very well in others a little
less, but nice. Listen to Don Raymundo you call him good you want
him by my friend Juan, who is a pastor and come back today Juan
return by axis José Valladolid, because here from Juan Cruz, who will surely
be listening to you now the boss called him the river of the Chief and
all the llais love Sainte you call him yes, yes, what man?
Really, I' ve heard it two or three times directly now, recently,
that he paid you a little tribute a little while ago. And what
a man that these men, who are impellers, are admirable, are men,
but who have dared to do what no one or anyone else does not
do easily. That' s right, that' s right, thank God.
Yes, there are people who good, who listen to God' s
voice and pull forward without looking at the complications, the family things. Well,
thank God. Now what we would like you to explain José Manuel,
is what are the activities he develops in the different places? Well, from
the beginning, or at the beginning, because we had like all the need
to self- finance ourselves, but on the part of the government or the
municipalities, because there was no such will, among other things, because I
think they looked at us and said these are going to last two days.
And in two days, then, because it was not worth investing anything in
a project like ours. So, well, we saw ourselves in the need
to self- finance ourselves, to do things to serve as self- financing,
also to serve as some kind of occupational workshops, so that boys could
learn trades. And so, look, we have traces of second- hand
furniture stores that are restored, are also fixed electrical appliances, which we arrange
and put into operation. Here, in Barcelona, we have a furniture factory,
a workshop where you work with him, hotel producer. It' s
restored, too. In other parts of Spain there are car scrappings in three
sites, Santander, Valladolid and Asturias. There' s these scrappings. We
also have here a place where we buy vehicles, restore them, fix them
and put them on sale. We move. We also have a cattle ranch.
We also have cows there, in Tarrasa, in a village in vila
de cabas. Well, we touch different points, among other things, because
not everyone likes the same things So, then, there are people who now
come many people also older, and sometimes people who are a little bit of
this kind of design drugs, because they come a little touched and mentally with
difficulties. Then there are jobs they can’ t do, but it’
s just as good to be with the one that the cows carry or the
ones that care for the chickens or good to tend a garden or things.
So, they can do it. They are occupational jobs, but they require
minimal effort. Basically yes, yes, you don' t need to go
in a truck and make a bigger effort. So well you seek to have
something that suits each other' s situation and in this way we finance ourselves,
not good abroad. They pretty much follow the line we have here,
although sometimes there are a little country- specific or site- specific things,
which may vary a little bit, but usually we all work the same way.
So, of course, you work with women who are in single-
parent neglect, who have families who need help, also in addictions, especially
there are people who come to the centers, but then in different places you
have different programs of humanitarian solidarity. There is a diversity of programs also social
cinema. Yeah, yeah, well, sometimes in Mexico we usually do medical
campaigns every year. We go to the indigenous area, we gather a group
of doctors and dentists, as well as people, and we do a program
of several days meeting a little local needs. We have also done that,
it was done a few years ago in Ukraine. Well, you try to
attend a little bit to the needs after the guys who are with us,
who are in rehab, because many of them also have particular needs, health,
different things, to have glasses, to be able to fix their teeth
in a certain way. So you' re tending a little bit according to
the needs that are being raised and looking for a way also for people who
want to rehabilitate and redo their lives, because they can do it. Some
want to continue to maintain a link with us and others, because sometimes maybe
because of the place where they live or, because of other circumstances you no
longer know about them. No, but, well, it' s true
that when we' re talking about drug addiction, there are also people coming
back, coming back again. But we have also seen in these years people
that well, they have overcome the problem, they have remade their lives,
they are with their families and they hear and what you know about them is
that they are well two hundred. It' s hundreds and hundreds and hundreds.
I know many who have been in challenge and are fine families lives.
This is the result of good work. That' s the best paycheck.
One cannot be received and indeed many of us are so happy. Now,
by the way, making a parenthesis that you will surely hear this interview said
at four in the morning. I can' t hear her. Our friend
Manuel Sáncha, who was a missionary, became through challenge. He was also
a missionary during a time in Mexico. He lost his arm out there in
one of his adventures and misfortunes of life. But a seventy- two-
year- old man has been working every year for a few years, about
five years. He is devoting every year five months to go all over the
indigenous mountain range to talk, to bring them scriptures and, therefore, to
some goods for shopping and such. But what and this spirit acquired in the
challenge. The one comes from air, he' s made a phenomer.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, and how brave he is. Drive well the
manco of the left arm, Drive with the right hand. He' s
carrying a loaded mini van to the top. He unwraps the shepherd very well
and with an energy and with a spirit of the lord and leaves the car
and I don' t know where. Then they throw themselves in for two
hours to get to some village. It means that this, this generation,
has been born in the king, yes, yes, thank God. That
motivates you a lot from the testimonies of people you know and others who tell
you. Sometimes the other day we have been talking about some people who also
told me, two of them who were pastors in churches and others here in
Spain, others in Slovenia, were telling us about some. That is,
you say well, yes, I do. The truth is that there is
one thing that interests me, unless you explain it to us, because I
believe that the Christian evangelical people has been prescind in caring for the marginalized,
like few countries in the world, in the world, even in the Christian
world, Except for this man who made Niki Cruz, the David Wilkerson,
who made the centers, those who came, even were one of them in
Spain, in Burgos many years ago. But apart from that, well,
Christian centers as a challenge and so many others in Spain. This is,
I think, a precedent, because there are communities like this in some parts
of the world. But the standard- bearers were you because I had not
informed myself, there was practically nothing, or almost nothing. No. No.
The truth is that, because there too you see a little the grace
of God people who at first acted as founders or is true. What it
says is that I' ve traveled a lot and you don' t go
to many countries where there are no such answers. I remember a while ago
that I was called by the consul of the United States here, from Barcelona,
and that I wanted to come visit, but I don' t explain
myself or what. Well, there they showed up with the official cars and
I came to clean everything up so they' ll get a good picture.
And she was just saying no. Really, it doesn' t make me.
If you want, I look at it, but it' s not
like I don' t want to see anything. I want to talk.
I want to ask you why they were seeing that, there, in the
United States, the money they invested in Christian works as having a much greater
profitability than in the rest of the programs, and then I wanted to know
our experience, because, well, they saw that Spain had been, for
example, in the drug issue, an exceptional case in the world. They
have embassies and they had as some kind of government mandate to investigate and they
say we don' t see that here you are, there are other centers.
They also spoke to the army of salvation which, for some reason,
they referred to us and that was what they wanted to know. Why don
' t I just say I can' t say very well. I know
what happened and I know it was probably also a let' s call it,
a little revival that there were people converted in those years because of all
these situations. But yes, it' s true. Yes, it is
true that what happened in Spain we did not find anywhere, that is,
in Europe. There wasn' t a country I had. Sometimes it was,
for example, you found yourself in England that Bethel, which has also
happened here in Spain. They had a very powerful program there, or you
found that Remar had a program, but it was the Spanish centers, especially
Remar, Bethel and Challenge, that were working in the countries with a pretty
good implantation amazing And well, I don' t know how to tell you
the reason. I think God was involved in that. Well, I'
ve watched the time and I' ve been following you all and giving it
to you. Thank God, thank God so much for your work. Really
once and many times. And yes, but it is something to notice that
we evangelicals have had that of not putting in value ours. We have done
what we had to do and because it makes us of the heart, of
a redeemed heart. But I realized as a communicator, even with the ten
of life, we must raise to the status of important what we do so
that the world knows what is happening with the evangelicals. They are not a
religious cuultic minority of fanatics who are locked in their places, but there is
something else, there is something deeper. And in recent years, yes,
the public authorities are man. We subtract a lot of work and a lot
of money from them that they don' t have to invest in this case.
But then, in Spain, I remember working in Ondacero for a few
years and I remember good already before it was born driven by the journalist so
famous Luis del Olmo, The project man go that the Catholic Church also the
godfather or not and such and I think it is the only project better known.
Maybe there' s time. There are hypocrat centers, which are payment
centers and a lot of money. Not if you want to go and treat
yourself an addiction, but and good and do a good job, but you
have to pay, you have to pay and I mean enough then. But
the man project is another one that was born and so was born, but
that there was nothing and continues to see outside the evangelical networks. There'
s not much, either. No. The other thing I have to say
is it' s still like this. Keep it up, if you do
or something like that when we go around, it' s not like you
' ve started seeing no, there hasn' t been any conato sometimes wanting
to do something and so on and it' s gone down not for anything.
I mean, this doesn' t mean we have a secret. I
attribute it to the grace of God, no doubt, but it is the
reality. That' s right. I watch it, I watch it,
I say it as an observer. I' m a journalist too and I
look at all the data here gives for good or even for bad, to
know what goes on. I would be very interested if our listeners Joseph could
hear two things. One how can people who have various family problems who are
listening to us how they can come into contact with challenge. And the second
thing is how we can collaborate with the challenge of more of the centers that
you have of places, that you sell furniture and all that kind of traces,
and all that good, but everything is little, because it takes a
lot of money for the maintenance of everything that you carry in dance. And
what better than being able to make generous donations to centers as a challenge from
many who say listen I want to do it regularly, or I want to
do it sporadically or spontaneously, or I want to leave part of my heritage
legacy for a credibility trajectory organization as a challenge. The first thing how people
can say I want to need help, parents, friends, brothers, well,
I can provide a phone. Yeah, that' s the main route.
We try, as far as possible, to have a personal interview by
explaining a little how we work. But on a general level, that is,
if you need help, the income is immediate, the income is free
and during your stay here you do not have to pay absolutely nothing, and
you can always see we advise that this problem is something that sometimes it is
not a matter of two days, that by hands a year or year,
and something would be convenient. There are people who don' t, but
well, there' s no problem. And well, if I may and
of course not, I' m going to provide a phone and it would
be interesting, we' re talking to José Manuel, the National President of
Challenge in Spain. And then, well, look at what more interesting personal
and also collective testimony of the organization is here in Barcelona the person responsible for
the admissions is called Marcos and the phone number is six, seven, seven,
one, nine, two, seven, five two? I repeat,
Mark' s name is responsible and the phone is six, seven, seven,
one, nine, two, seven, five two. You' ll
be, then we' ll put it on top of the story we'
ll publish so people can have it. President, and there is also a
page that you have yes, yes on the Internet, in the rest of
the challenge association and here come the phones and some information about who we are
and what we do. And the second issue is a complicated one. Yes,
but the issue of donating and giving donations is, on the one hand,
the truth is that the purpose is for them to know us. The
main wish is that people could know us, that there might be the work
you do in general, which you develop all these kinds of donations from people.
When you remove a piece of furniture or whatever is more or less in
good condition, they don' t ask for it again, but good that
you don' t have to go to the landfill to throw it away,
because that really helps us a lot. There are also companies that make donations.
Well you could name here several large supermarkets that collaborate with food others with
materials and with things that sometimes for them is a problem or have a surplus
or have an out of stock some things and call us and hear us all
that. The issue of money, of course, so people can, but
I really would prefer that they do it after they meet us. If they
wanted to do something, to come, to see, to see the project,
to see what we do on the phones, which they have on the
website. Well, if anyone has any, I don' t know any
interest in that, because we can gladly explain to him, teach him to
see it with his eyes and then decide whether he wants to do something or
not, because if he doesn' t, it seems a little cold to
me. I just don' t know. I don' t think it
' s ours. He seems very honest. It' s that attitude that
the other one is, too. No, no, yes, but I
find it extraordinarily honest for it to give transparency, for people to see and
see what is ben and b not. That seems to me to be the
point. He does not hear, for he does have the page of challenge,
association in challenge. I don' t know. This is pointr.
I don' t remember point com good gets into it will easily drift them
and there are all the sections. They see all kinds of things, jobs
that we make come to meet you and where this is so good. And
but there are people who are also debating where I' m going to leave
my estate or not. You don' t have anyone or you don'
t trust each other. The truth is that that' s one hasn'
t happened to us many times. A woman called me a long time ago
and told me that of course she saw that, for example, Caritas and
all the program that the Catholic Church has takes almost ninety- one percent of
all that heritage. Moreover, we knew him because there was a law firm
that collected those donations to put them in the name of the Catholic Church Association.
Then they went from the things inside, took away the value and already
what was left they called us. It was funny, but good. That
' s where we saw it, because they had a movement of things.
Okay. That' s happened to us in our history twice, yes,
notice, twice, well, but it' s also true that, like
us, we haven' t had, not for nothing, but a kind
of willingness to sell ourselves, to have a lot of marketing, a lot
of stuff. We haven' t had it. Erupted, I' ve
noticed, done, well, but look. There' s what they call
solidary testing. Now for people you want to do. And so, if
someone wants to do something like this, and not necessarily people and but individuals
who in life want to do, what better cause than this, that helps
restore the lives of so many lives people, men, women, young people
and people of all kinds, also contributing to such solidarity action, as much
to the tourist and as Christian as it is to help the one who is
in this situation. Another point is that with this one we are already concluding.
José Manuel you are a pastor at the same time of the center,
which is a Christian community. Challenge to hope, not to see we have,
well, we started backwards. The churches usually start a social activity.
Yes, we were a social activity that we set up a church. So,
well, we did see, because we, in a way, are
a church. We function like a church. Not all the kids who come
in the center belong to the church because they don' t have the will,
because they don' t want their religions. And a lot of people
who aren' t in the center, they do like to come to meetings.
So, well, we understood that at the same time that it works
what social work is, because to set up a church with all that means.
And then, we started with the name Church to the lighthouse, but
we had a difficulty abroad and also a confusion with the subject of Jehovah’
s Witnesses because of the publication they make. Then, in the end,
we decided to call it the same Biblical Church. I challenge hope. And
here we are in the polygon of the hardware store in Moncada never and well,
because we work as a Church, with all its particularities. Of course,
you have a life in community, really in addition to a Christian community,
which has a culctic part, but then you function in everyday life,
because like but there are people who have nothing to do with what comes,
what comes with communion, what to do with a past of drugs, that
comes to the Church. Sure, sure, of course, if I do
have acquaintances like that it has also been a pleasure to listen to you,
to have you here in this studio José Manuel and the truth that I celebrate
a lot of encouragement for everything. And well, here you have this medium,
the train of life waved peace or the pau cataluña at your disposal also
with much affection. I really am not only pleased, but I am glad
about the work you do, because I value it very much. Many thanks
have been very kind and thank you for the opportunity you also give us to
make it known that it is one, as I said before, of the
important things, that people know who we are and what we do. Nothing
else, then, but God bless you, your family, your work,
and so on. Thank you very much. Likewise, you so great you
travel on the train of life, wow or look at your pure air and
baby of your water life belvizo your blood I want you are and gualda of
yours or that no one beats any more what winds your blood or I want
to be me not soul whining and that no and apart no one full of
I think that tur wine I see your look with your inovive pride, lord
sagua of I want you saw of my soul. Remembrance of bread from me
to me with ra my quieumbre measures, sir vor your water from you I
want petuator of my soul durde par sell to with your pranance I want,
Lord lake your saguayo for your name I want to know to give me the
shore of your saga of manga and to lose your veranda and to drag the
one of ponto of love or that you love me and you love me I
want favor, wine the homeland with your fragrant man your ero yields, Lord
sagua de quiero had nua of knit, you bread your fragrance and I want
him gua or please, or you travel in the train of life. M
o, ladies and gentlemen, we' re still going. This train is
unstoppable in life. It' s unstoppable who stops her to see who'
s capable. Only the creator and everything has an expiration date. Hey,
don' t think this isn' t gonna be ineternal, too. Ineternal,
It will be when we are in God' s Eternal Kingdom that this
gives us why to speak on another subject. Well, then, today we
have the taste, as we announced, of having the shepherd with us and
he is an international Bible teacher, and not only of the Bible, but
of books. He is a very prolific writer, of very good books,
very good morning, what you can find on his own page also Osvaldo Rebolleda
com and you will see the books. Besides, it has a peculiarity that
is not usual. In addition, they are free, they are good books
with topics of great interest and free. But in addition, he is already
traveling through Spain, through several places and before returning to his place of origin,
to Argentina, which has to return already today, as he has made
a little stop here in Barcelona with the pleasure of having him welcome. Osvaldo,
well, thank you very much, Julio. It is a pleasure for
me to be able to be sharing this moment this beautiful medium as is the
radio and this program of such prestige, which has its great trajectory, which
is truly wonderful, so it is an honor for me to be able to
be yes. Thanks, man. You see we are always so curious when
we have someone like you sitting here and you, who are very used to
going to so many places and so and you already have a trajectory, not
only that supports you by your work, by your sowing that you have done,
by your production, your ministerial performance. Osvaldo, who you are,
where you come from and where you' re going, tell us a little
bit about yourself. Well, I' m Argentine. I am now on
a tour that ends just today and I am leaving tonight again back to Argentina.
I came to Spain on March 3. I' m usually seeing twice
a year and good and traveling to different places. Now I' m going
back to Argentina and about 20 days later I' m going to the United
States. A month. I was pastoring in Argentina for, like, twenty
years with my wife and then we gave up that hour because of the trips.
So, well I trained in Argentina at the Assembly of God of Argentina,
the Association Assembly of God, and well I have that trajectory. How
they go ge ready first after, like but I have always been an itinerant
preacher then, when the process led me to what is teaching, the journeys
intensified much more. From the two thousand fourteen fifteen I began to travel abroad
continuously every year and well, that made us deliver the work, which well
remains under my supervision. But I' ve devoted myself completely to doing that
other kind of work. True, if you also have a ministry of pastoral
accompaniment, Catholic ministry in different places, also that require your ministry. Some
are from your own direct work, others are associated, but it is an
important job. Also clear well, for me it is the most important work
than development, to be able to work with different churches and on a pastoral
level, advising the pastors and helping them in this beautiful task of the pastorate.
No and well, there are several churches. In Argentina I have a
church there with which I work in Cochea, in Barras del Medio, in
Euken, in Sarmiento, in Fernández Soro, in Chile, in Viña del
Mar, in the United States, in Los Angeles, in California and here
in Spain also with Antonio Venta in Orihuela, a good friend. Yes,
yes, yes, how important pastors that they need to be accompanied and well
accompanied, indeed, of course they do. A lot, a lot,
because we assume the Ministry as a job in which people presuppose that we are
good at everything as if we had no problems and we have the same problems
as anyone else. We carry forward the situations and circumstances of life plus the
Communion we seek to have with God and the things that afflict us, by
family, by work, by everything, and the Ministry is hard, really
hard. People, maybe from outside, think it' s the preaching we
do at one at a worship meeting, but it doesn' t go through
there. The spiritual burden is very difficult to bear and good and if there
are many pastors who are suffering this. In fact, a survey was conducted
recently where it was found that 80 percent in Argentina, not 80 percent of
pastors were experiencing health problems. And there' s no point in not serving
God this we can have and most of the problems this has been ulcer,
diabetes, blood pressure, this stress heart condition. Of course everything has linked
to the nerves, the stress of the Ministry, so this good evidence that
it takes a lot of work there and how important it is and if perhaps
there you can help me for our listeners that many, because they are friends,
do not have the confessionality, have no confessionality, but feel close to
the Christian faith. Others are from other denominations and others, many are evangelicals,
also in Spain, who are listening to us both members as pastors or
pastors. What an important need. I have always said that, in my
opinion, uh, and I have a Ministry similar to yours on the part
of not so much of a writer, but the part of support for pastors
and logistics. I have come to discover that shepherds are the most important people
on earth. What I' m telling you is very big. Loquent is
the people, because how important it is that pastors do not feel ministerial.
They need support from someone who' s in equals with them. People can
' t tell a lot of things, some can, but others can'
t, and then they feel like they have a good friend, plus an
advisor, an instructor, a mentor, a coach. Not today I did
what I think coaching was invented by the shepherds without knowing it not really the
good shepherds, who are many and shepherds. So what a great need for
how to solve the ministerial orphanhood. There are many there is that there is
sincerely yes and well, the development of different institutions or denominations has a job
of administrative follow- up if you want, but in many cases you lack
that, not that bond of paternal that must exist to be administered, because
we need all pastors, we need to be shepherded. We also have to
cope with our family and the intimate help that is needed to cope with the
Ministry. That, when that bond is not close, is not really fulfilled
with the effective with what is needed, because yes, institutional authorities, there
will always be, but I call it sometimes that you suffer from the syndrome
of the older brother truth, that it will help you whenever you have a
need, but that is not the same as the one that may have a
more paternal look about the situation. An aid is intimately interested and good hearted.
So that is necessary, and much is needed, and the shepherds in
general are greatly appreciated. Therefore, how important is accompaniment and training, because
I know that your Ministry is very formative, you are a person who forms
leadership and quality training, which is also very important. There are no pastors
who are also quite lost what they can, what they know or what they
imagine. But they also need advice in what is Bible instruction, in ministerial
formation. Of course I don' t talk about those who can' t
go to the seminars in those places, but who are making themselves on the
go, but who would need someone like yours, to instruct them to teach
them, to accompany them and also to advise them. Until, well,
every pastor is taking more autonomy. That is why I was told by this
slogan that some, when they have heard it from me, have said hey
it is not a bit exaggerated that pastors are the most important people on earth.
Having observed more than forty years as a shepherd, I say, I
do not exaggerate, I am also a pastor with an apostolic ministry too,
but I say to him but they are really the most important people on earth
for many reasons. They are the ones who mediate in many human conflicts,
they are the ones who instruct, they are the ones who teach, they
are the ones who win the sea, they are the ones who are self
- denial, they are the ones who are good. The list is long,
true, clear and apart, we already do a job that has to
do with eternity. Then we become transcient, true, and then work with
the eternal. That is exactly not if it has that transcendence which is everything
else it does not have. And of course, the formation we have is
also fundamental because we all, somehow had our conversion at the time, came
to a certain place and we had a no imprint and suddenly we were formed
with a theological line, with a line. In some cases there are many
factors that good are sent to the Ministry too soon without preparation, but they
may have a call, but suddenly they do not yet have the necessary training
to be able to do so. And others that come from a formation that
may not be the best too and that also happens. That' s why
we have so many divergences within the Church that, well, we shouldn'
t have, but then working together and helping us think and find are correct
guidelines. I think that' s very important. We all need that.
How do you see Osvaldo that you for your books, which are good,
can already say it on the page just Osvaldo Rebolera, as there you can
find on the page of the pastor himself. I' m here. We
have the book page, which is very interesting. You the naked church,
the search for diogenes, the need, the needs of the Kingdom, the
dynamic passive Kingdom rebellion, the titles are very interesting. I have heard some
of your preaching and glimpsed some of them and divine fruits for redemption spiritual resilience.
That word that is so fashionable the great warning, the Kingdom diet the
love of many will cool down. I guess since recent times lions at the
zoo, times of transition, breaking authorized boundaries, double life relining it How
many good books. There are about one hundred and forty on the wow pages.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, to read the titles. She
' s a lot and besides, writing well, that' s the same
good yes, I don' t see. I consider myself more than anything
a teacher who writes and not a writer, because I understand that for him
who has the gift of writing in his formation, who writes exquisitely, well,
maybe it will not be so many books. There, in Argentina we
have ernesto sabato, the author of the tunnel, he who called the incendiary
because he to his writings, few survived the fire because it was burning.
He said he' s a good writer. I was going to write two
or three books, at most in life that could transcend it. But he
was a writer and wrote literature. It' s not my case. I
' m a writing teacher. So, for me, books are one more
way to be able to deliver the teachings I have, which many of them
started in the school module. I went to the school of spiritual government in
Argentina a few years ago and I was making modules and giving messages by series,
preaching by series. Then from the series they were from the wealth of
the series came out some books from the modules of the school came out other
books, but for me it is one more way to be able to give
what I have received. By grace and since books have a large part of
biblical backing and verses, and all that good, is what I do,
which I consider to be written teachings and good is not judged by writing itself
or the literary form, but by the content that I intend to be useful
to the Church. But you' re good at writing, you explain,
goods you write well, that is, that the construction of books is very
very understandable and very good for a reader. Well, there are many saved,
by his grace, the measures of the Kingdom. The glory of the
final persecution, which hardly anyone speaks of, the scope of the Angel Covenant
and among us the Church is of the Lord the Tribunal of Christ, the
language of the Kingdom, the spiritual geography, the power of management, the
order according to God. Well, there are so many. There are people
who when you see your page to the page of Osvaldo Rebolera, point with
books, Barra books, there will be that any topic that interests you of
Christian life will find it here. Certainly, Yes, there are many,
many different subjects and all the spiritual discouragement another of the books also, et
cetera, et cetera. How do you see the Church in your travels,
what you see, what you hear, what you perceive so much in Argentina,
our beloved Argentina, and the Church there I have so many pastor friends
who are so entangled. Now we will have Mariano be equal with us to
his father Jorge, it looks the same as it has been and good,
and so many others, John Paul, Hongarray and good already Brother Son and
all we know are many different. When I' m around, I also
like to be with several of them, at least for a little bit more
three weeks or a month and you can' t be with as many as
you want. But Argentina is very much in our heart. But in general
Argentina, Latin America, the United States, I have a feeling that in
the United States the Church is going through a crisis in general strong and much
more since the pandemic here, also for political reasons, has polluted the life
of the Church a lot and in other parts of the world, Africa Oceania,
in the countries also Russia and the countries of the East. What a
perception, what a cacti, how you perceive the Church in general encompassing powers.
Just when you do an apostolic work, it' s like you have
a more global vision. That' s the idea. The pastor has a
local creational vision and apostolic work causes one to put on the spiritual thermometer.
Let' s say it in a more global way. Anyway, always the
panorama one can have is limited within the realms one moves, the things one
knows. But well, the spiritual world is also territorial. There is one
of the books called spiritual geography and that generates that, while in some places
they are going through a good process, on other sides not so much.
No yes, I believe that the Church would have to be one step further
in terms of the advancement of society, a relative advance. I am not
talking about a cultural change in the world and culture, by the way,
it is very strong in darkness, because the capacity of science has grown,
but morale has not grown. Morale has grown and then I think it'
s something like what you put forward there in the chapter. It is that
darkness covered the earth and darkness over the nations, and I believe we are
seeing it more than ever. In fact, those of us who are more
than fifty years old know that we live as in two different lives. We
had a stage of a growth of an absolutely different society culturally, speaking of
the one we live in today and we had that transition where there were no
means and technology that exist today. We didn' t have cell phones like
mobile phones, we didn' t have this technology that overcame us. And
we' re talking about a generation. That is, if you go back,
it can take thousands of years, almost with the same advance people who
were born with vehicles in blood and so died. In the same way,
society hardly changed. We are experiencing an impressive technological leap. Science grew suddenly
and, as it grew suddenly, generated many different things and, unfortunately and
sadly, not knowing how to take on that transition has generated many bad things,
because globalization is not bad in itself, if globalism the globalist agenda,
if you want. But globalization is not bad if you know how to use
what I think is that you didn' t know how to use it in
society and that has caused a lot of bad. A cloak of darkness came
upon the world very suddenly and the Church does not end up absorbing that.
When our approach is there, our worship work, our activities and everything we
hardly look at what is happening globally. So if we have a verticalist look
at God in our communion, our life with God and what is the worship
meetings and our life, our life, our problems, our family, our
situations, then we hardly see what is happening on a global level and what
is happening after it is happening in our cities and how we are going to
face things that we must face and how we are penetrating or not the system
in which we live. One of the books is just called and I was
giving it a little while ago the church in the market, because the church
is a design to penetrate the system. The idea of bringing people to the
Church is fine. It is logical that people will come, join in what
it represents or what the life of the body of Christ means. But if
the Church is not able to go out and show herself as she should,
that is where I think we are missing. I think we' re,
in fact, missing the first book, that one that was the last I
ever did. The naked church is an almost provocative title to draw attention to.
I would be unable to pretend such a thing, but I do speak
of the fact that he will come by a glorious church, a Church clothed
with it fine linen, as Maya says, of the spiritual meaning it has.
And I believe that clothing is the one that covers the body and,
according to the garments, it is what people have seen and the Church,
throughout history, has lived different clothes not and I think those clothes have not
shown us very well. The first three centuries of the Church were shown in
quite Jewish clothing because of the influence and what they knew about the old Covenant,
and then came the entire formation of Roman Catholicism. Then, one thousand
two hundred years, the clothes were different and then comes the reform, which
was also fundamental, the great reform. But I believe that the Church is
still in a process of reform. It must continue to reform the word reform
is the word diorsosis in Greek, but it has to do with returning to
the original. That is the reform we need. We don' t need
to reform something to be novel and tell how society faced it. What we
need is to go back to design or digital. No. That is why
I think the Apostolic Ministry is so important in this regard. Today' s
Apostolic Ministry has nothing to do with creating this new foundation. The apostolic and
prophetic foundations have already been established. He' s not going to lay a
foundation for us after more than 2, 000 years on something that' s
already built. What we must do is correctly interpret the foundations that were laid
and suddenly discover that some things have been built that were not at the foundation
of the original plan and suddenly there are things that were not done or stopped
being done and we have to recover them. Then I believe that the Church
would have to go on that path, because returning to the original design,
which Jesus Christ left behind, is what guarantees us that, despite the cultural
changes and the time we live in, the Church can make effective in penetrating
the system, because the design that he left clearly spiritual. So, when
you penetrate society spiritually beyond whatever cultural and natural manifestation it has, we are
going to be effective. But we have to use the design that Christ left
and not the designs that have been taking place through the different stages of the
Church. Historically clear, it is interesting reflection and I agree with you Oswaldo
in those reflections twenty- two And what happens is that we also have legions
of people who say clear interesting things and everyone exposes in networks and in so
many platforms Straimings, now everyone can do what self- edit. And it
' s all right, it' s all right, it' s all
open public participation for everyone. What' s true, we have a collection
of phonies, cheaters, livers, people who, both male and female.
And of course one says Caramba and Jesus warned in the signs of the end
more than seven times about the carefulness with deception that even some deception is so
strong, so sophisticated. The text of Matthew II already strikes me very much
when many say that day, sir, we did this not typically the things
of Pentecostalism. I' m no costal mind. No, no, no,
I didn' t know you guys I don' t know who you
are. It means that, because it is also important to discern the true
from the false, clear truth, good to see. That' s the
right word Julio said, because I think you don' t have to be
afraid of that falsehood there is, because when you' re afraid of something
false, the only thing you generate is a rejection of everything. It'
s not like someone ever gives us a fake fifty euro bill and we don
' t want to grab any more, because we think everything is fake.
We' re gonna suspect everything. The idea is to pay attention and know
the real one so that when a fake ticket comes, we can detect it.
I mean, a banker isn' t trying to identify everything that'
s false, he knows the real thing. So, when your human touches
a false one, he discovers it and in order to do that, I
think that what we should do, instead of being afraid or rejecting everything,
is to have a deep communion with God, so that our discernment develops more
in this time than ever, so that suddenly we have the openness we should
have, if we should change some things and we have to learn to listen
to each other, because I believe that in the diversity we have there is
also a lot of wealth and be able to identify what it is not to
be able to identify. Then I think it is not so dangerous, because
there were false apostles and false prophets and false teachers and false brothers since the
first century. It is not false everything, but God has never lost or
lose the Church' s government, because it is the head. The Church
will be victorious, as the Lord said, and that is our confidence.
What we should do is to take our care and say I don' t
want to fall into deception. I want to go the right way and the
only way to know that what someone else is saying is truly what God is
proposing. It is the condition of the one who listens, because capacity,
my spiritual communion, my depth with him, will cause my spiritual sensibility to
flourish in an attack way when he hears algae automatically. I will detect what
is and what is not of God and that is what we need ministerially.
People can' t detect that and the media is open. Then people sometimes
get in to listen to what they don' t owe what' s interesting
to them and sometimes they eat badly. Now it is not wise that we
forbid him to listen, because they are just going to do the opposite.
And the idea is to have a people who, if I mature in wisdom,
will know what it is and what it is not. Even if you
listen to the nets indiscriminately, everything that comes to you is not the same.
Then we have to do it in leadership and I think we have to
teach people, that is, when we have a little boy, we have
to have a lot of attention, because he can eat anything he doesn'
t grab a trash and take it to his mouth to eat it, so
we' re looking after it. But when he grows up, you don
' t have to be watching him anymore. He knows what' s good
to eat and what' s not good, so I think we' ll
have to go. On that side, instead of instilling fear or forbidding building
in such a way that people have the ability to discern between what is and
what is not. It is important to develop criteria in all the discernment of
true and false things, if it is not to create an armism that puts
us there in a Zulo or in a bunker and not. Not that in
fact, I know from experience. I relate to the whole body of Christ
and there are of all species I mean and they are respectable in the vast
majority and with the accents of one and the other. What is there is,
in the midst of all that bare magnum, to discern what can be
harmful to one' s spiritual health. If you believe it as one of
God' s last words so you don' t know what, then it
is important, but yes, maturity also consists in knowing, acquiring the necessary
marudez to know that we have to learn to have autonomy, to be living
there, in locked up somewhere and everything is bad and the world comes upon
us. Yeah, I don' t agree with that, because if you
turn around, you get sick again, we' re clear Well, in
some cases people are encouraged not to look at that, and in the long
run that' s worse, because people, out of their own curiosity,
go and look and just go to the issues that are most controversial. It
seems to me that when we live the pandemic. The pandemic revealed one side,
a lack of the church. I don' t think we should have
ended up the same and continue as if nothing had happened, as was done
in many cases. It doesn' t give me the feeling that it'
s like those people who go down the street and fall and then it'
s just shake a little bit and keep walking like nothing happened, but it
actually happened and the pains come after. No, and I think we should
have a much deeper reading of the pandemic, because there are things we didn
' t see, because there are things that didn' t know and because
it showed a lot of things that weren' t right. And then I
think that responsibility of leadership, I think leadership because we can say of people,
that people have the ability to destroy it, but leadership has to have
a greater openness and depth. And I mean, we live in difficult times
and that makes us have to be much more engaged in our intimate Communion with
God, our time of quality and not of activity, because sometimes that doesn
' t happen to us. The Ministry demands a lot of activity and the
same activity we do for God is preventing us from being quality time with God.
So sometimes we are filled with too many activities and the activities that we
have within the Church, which is not that they are wrong, but that
sometimes they blur our focus from the most important thing, which is to be
with him. And we want to be with people, we want to help
people and we are working for God, but we are not spending quality time
with God. Then we can say good. Yeah, I' m on
the Bible every day. I read a little, I' m praying,
but I' m talking about something else. I' m talking about something
deeper, because I can grate an hour and not have touched his presence and
a touch of his presence is worth much more than an hour talking, so
I think all leadership needs that. He needs that because there are people.
The leader who doesn' t go for that is being passed over by people.
And that' s the dangerous thing. Sometimes I also give a lesson
that was good for the networks or the media, and I don' t
want to create a conflict for a concierge, but sometimes I realize that if
I release a word and people get it, if people get it before their
own leader causes a problem and even if they don' t want it,
today it generates that media. No, then we should all at this time
take that precaution and that commitment to God to turn to the source that is
that which is interesting. The issue of the pandemic has taught us well,
see. It' s been four years since then, but it' s
true. He told me, one of the leaders of the Church of God
in the world who came to administer pastors. Two thousand twenty- one a
year ago he was managing who hotel on the Valencian coast and an interesting man,
not Darrell, and he said the pandemic caused in the United States that
one third of the Church, thirty- two percent have not returned to the
Church. They' re either in no man' s land or they'
re in limbo. No. And it' s true because I' ve
sometimes thought and meditated on no one, neither the Russian, nor the Chinese,
nor anyone else. Nobody knew anything. And this showed us that yes.
Looks like we' ve got everything under control. Someone' s got
it under control in a lab. No, there was no fault that harmed
Tolo Parra, but it was a general essay, clear for the end of
the finals. It was a general essay because it was a hypothesis. And
yet, thank God, we were late to get out of the bottling that
caused the pandemic and the deaths and fear and global panic that was terrifying.
What would we do in a situation of eventuality that we would do now we
have to ask ourselves, because it is that now, seeing what we are
seeing. Anything can happen. Of course, God is not free, but
it can happen. It' s happened and you used to say. Everything
that happened in the 20th century was much more intense than in all human history.
In the 20th century alone two world wars, genocides, atrocious astronomical advances,
technological advances, medical science and everything goes tremendous, I no longer say
in the 21st century, with networks and with the media, artificial intelligence,
I mean, at this time the history of the measured is advanced more than
in all history, in a century and three decades, more than in all
previous history, I mean, that we are going at a meteoric speed towards
where we are going. And the change that was cultural, social, values,
the change of values that took place was tremendous now. That is why
I say that the Church should have done a much deeper reading of what the
pandemic did, of how we handled the issue of the pandemic, of the
consequences it caused and of what we did not see. In other words,
the Church has recognized the need for God' s direction and for the warning
of the things to come, of the Nisterium, of the prophetic movement and
all that she wants. But we were not warned of such a thing.
No, not as we should be warned. If you ask me, I
think it is clear that I believe in a prophetic church because we need God
' s direction. I believe in the ministry of many. I believe that
today, there is a large percentage who can say that they are apostles or
prophets or what they were as pastor and good sometimes they are not, but
I do believe the truth of all that. The point is that we should
not have distracted some ministries to entertain the brothers, but to delay the government.
That is, when we looked at the prophets in the old Covenant,
we discovered that they were close to the Government. They could speak publicly,
but the main word was brought to the kings, to whom government decisions had
to be made. So the same thing happens with the Church Today, the
way God has to pass us direction is at governmental levels, not making events
so that they can give him a word of encouragement, of impulse, of
leadership stimuli to the little brothers at the prophetic congresses. And all that,
I think that distracts them from a prophet, usually in the old covenant,
although the prophetic ministry of the new covenant of absolutely different in the dynamics of
expression is quite different. But anyway, they were strange, retracted people,
who were with God, who were not half antisocial, they were difficult to
cope with. But when a word came down, let down a word of
God for the government, because they were always linked to the leadership of the
nation. Today, let' s move on to the spiritual. It'
s the same thing. The Holy Nation of God needs direction. It is
expressed through the church and the designs of the Church. But we need to
be redirected so that we don' t work on human schemes and human structures,
but under the Lord' s impulse and direction, and we don'
t have to recognize that. That there was a lack there And for me,
the worst thing that can happen to us is that, after a crisis
like the one that was experienced, let' s continue like nothing happened and
with our activities, without changing anything. I have to have made an assessment
of what happened, how we react, how we assimilate it and what can
come. Because it' s written that there are things that are going to
be worse interesting. They realize our listeners and those who are seeing us in
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connects with this via Facebook or my personal mail. There are all the data
on my page, there are all the forms of connection and with all pleasure
this being able to talk to the pastors and whoever I need for some reason.
Sometimes there are pastors who, well, I am continually talking to pastors
who are friends, who I know, who do not necessarily work with me
under my authority, are not friends and sometimes I go to the Church and
preach, but we are always in contact for advice, for a doubt they
have or for a topic they are preparing, so that we can develop something.
Then always, well it' s my job and I do it with
great pleasure, with great joy. So you can connect them through the pages
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Rebolleda com and also Rebolleda arroba Hotmail com then and there, well, you
can give it if you have taken it to the great flight and if you
can not enter, you can enter the page and see and write it and
get in touch, as it has been a real honor. Osvaldo, you
' re here before you leave because you' re traveling tonight. Well,
yeah, yeah, tonight I' m already going back to Argentina and well,
I' m going to be a little bit there I have some activities
also when I' m in Argentina and well and there I go to the
United States for about a month and I hope to return to Spain. We
have everything scheduled for the next trip in October. There are already at least
a few palpable activities, but well, I say we' ll see,
because the Lord only knows. It' s not what' s gonna happen
to us tomorrow, but good is the idea. If the Lord wants it,
so it will be not if well, for we will be aware that
it will be a pleasure to be with you again and also enjoy your company
and your Ministry. Well, thank you so much for the invitation. Thank
you a pleasure to me. Nice to meet you. Shared the last meal
we had there just over a month ago in Murcia, there with the Murcians
and with our Catalan half- murtian that we have there. Antonio, a
good friend, pastor Antonio Ventas and the breath of life the church. He
' s the pastor of that church, with his radio station, with his
work. He' s a tireless worker. This man is tremendous and the
truth is good, for we will be in contract. Thank you for having
been with making this stop and bottom, because we have to eat a meal,
sing now how good until the next bucket. Thank you, thank you
very much. Chao, the train of life, Jesus Christ res Co Soberan
vitorioso neither the death could have and to gratify God imposire to you we do
not adore you are invincible to sovereignty all the glory, yours all the jesucriso
lono renas comp soveran seen me on neither the death nest of semper his rod
to conquer I imposive yagos selo imposive if I sive sabralo already is undoubtedly the
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written g vidioes or zeal imposicincias se si te writing certitus g tus todas ores
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Good morning, dear, itiel Julio, what a joy to make this stop
and be able to visit good friends. I love you a lot. I
really appreciate your love and always being here with the show audience is an honor
to me. Then this stop, this stop is of pleasure how good is
something mutual and tiel. Hey, hey, hey, hey, hey,
hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey,
hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey,
hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey,
hey, hey. We call it Congress because it' s a summons.
We do not discuss at the table or in working groups. We are
all a little in unison celebrating the greatness of God. Let' s look
at it, because more than two zero people who are already practically summoned and
those who are still in the last Sprint we are going to have on the
twenty- sixth to the twenty- eighth of April, there in Reus,
in the Fira de reusen Tarragona, which, by the way, we are
also going to you. We' re gonna have the pleasure of having you
among the guests. Hey, what does this call name suggest to you until
he comes. Well, Julio, I have to say that, although you
have been very kind and have put me there among the guests, I am
going to learn because it seems to me that it is going to be a
congress of much learning, challenge to acquire vision for what is coming in the
future and, above all, to be ready for the moment when Jesus comes.
No, then I want you to know that both my wife and I
are going with that desire to receive all that God has for us and I
want to encourage the audience to join this call, which I believe is a
divine call. I mean, July that I usually go as a guest to
many events, but there are some key that I reserve to attend as an
apprentice and this is one of them and I would like to encourage everyone else
to join, because I think they will learn a lot then at first I
would tell you this and if you want, now I will answer the question.
Yes, let' s see if anyone asks me from one another or
from or in front of you that sees about you or others hears and where
these people feed themselves. I don' t say well as far as I
know, not only do I have a great affection for Itiel, but I
care about her well- being. I mean it he doesn' t go
around saying everything he does does to the public, but what' s where
he slows down feeds. He knows he has a personal discipline of what he
has to do, but this connection, precisely of these people, is one
of the connections that he has in secret that I make public, because if
you know the mission institute, or take your place, or you know these
people and the substance that they have in their biblical teaching, so powerful and
so rich, so vitaminic, I say not good, I myself, after
so many years, also feed back many of his teachings that are of the
highest quality. I say so, and it has in this case too,
i e ah caramba. I say clearly what you think it is that he
lives from the air, no, and he lives from constant learning and I
also from one another interact. You' re right You' re right.
Someone once said that one is the result of the five closest influences in his
life. So, whenever someone asks me Itiel why you live, how you
live or why you have those approaches or that passion. I always say it
' s because I' m surrounded by people who challenge me and drive me
to a more passionate, dedicated, committed life. And I think that,
as part of spiritual discipline, you don' t just have to have your
reading of the Bible or your prayer or your devotional search. I think you
also need to know how to create a good network of friends and make community.
For that reason, someone like me must first always be integrated into the
local church. That' s non- negotiable. You have to be in
the local community, because there is no other way to be healthy in spiritual
life and then take advantage of that global network that today we can harness through
virtual means or through this globalized world and nourish ourselves with the good influence of
men and women of God who challenge us to a life burning for God.
And I think Mariano Senewald, Benjamín Núñez, Marcos Burunet, Julio Pérez,
all the team behind him until he comes, are people I want to learn
from and I want to have a good close look to look a little bit
like them. You know Maria Nosen the same, Mark Brunet. In fact,
this one, for example, participates in the great conference that has this
summer there in Monte great intimacy with the beloved that people have. If you
were aware of that conference, you would not miss something of the best in
the Christian world every year. And you' re also invited with them.
But it means Maria Nosen Igual, Marcos Burune, Benjamin Núñez, a young
man. Still well, all four of them are young. But when you
hear Benjamin' s word and but which planet this kid came from, I
don' t and I don' t exaggerate that I' m not easily
impressed by anything. How would you describe them to each one of them,
starting with Marians Like we have the father, the son and the holy spirit,
this joke looks at each one of them. Each of them has an
invaluable personal wealth. First, I would point out in general that although their
teaching is inspiring, their people, their heart, their character, really is
most not of all, because not only do they preach beautiful, but they
are people who reflect the character of Jesus and I do not say so to
flatter him, but I really believe it. So, I think that what
they preach and what they live with is aligned, they are coherent and they
really live with the intensity with which they live, because they believe the message
they are preaching. And it seems obvious to say this, but you'
d be surprised to know how many people preach because it sounds nice, but
then it doesn' t apply that which you' re preaching in your own
life. And I think both Mariano and Benjamin Marcos do and the result is
fiery lives. I could tell you about each one of them. For me,
first, Marcos Brunet was someone who accompanied me in many of my moments
of devotional life. I think we all started meeting him when we listened to
the CDs. At that time of taking your place or of intimate worship,
and Mark Brunet, his voice, his spontaneous worship, has accompanied us in
many devotionals. Then I discovered him as a preacher and realized that he was
not only a good and deep worshiper, but behind that worship there was theology,
there was knowledge of God and I think he has that beautiful blend of
a worshiper who knows the depths of God. De Mariano would tell you that
he is a shepherd and has understood the moment that we are living, the
era that has come to us to live and I believe that, as a
visionary man, he has been able to answer this Commission of God to create
a training institute to prepare many to be pioneers of the second Avenue. When
I spend time with him, I always learn something, and above all,
I learn not from the tremendous knowledge that he has so much, but from
the pastoral heart, because I see that he wishes to shepherd a generation,
to impel it to this great call to be people who prepare the way for
the Second Coming of Christ and Benjamin Núñez. I' d tell you he
' s one of these teachers who always pulls something new and something old,
something new and something old out of the treasure trunk. Like you said before,
when you listen to him, teaching you say wow where you got this
from. I think you have to have a lot of concentration every time you
hear Benjamin is not a superficial or light message. It always lays a really
deep foundation for what is to come, issues related to intimacy with God,
Second Avenue, eschatology, and the realities of God' s Kingdom. So
I think each of them contributes a lot and we' re going to have
them in Spain. You have spoken of this Congress in Argentina, which is
a past, but we have the opportunity to have the same ones who are
in Argentina in Spain and we cannot miss this opportunity. July is fantastic from
the 26th to the 28th of April. We' re a few days away
from the date, from the big date. There, in the giant pavilion
of the fire of Reus, a very emblematic place of this the best place
of Reus. There is also a band a day before, a pre-
congress for pastors, already in fact, there are more than 400 pastors and
writings, creating that we will surely come to more. The auditorium is six
hundred. The auditium also that there is above the pavilion and the truth is
that preamble to Congress for frontline leaders. Pastors, pastors, elders, consorts
and leaders of the very first line, because they also have a word of
faith for everyone, even for the leaders. They have one characteristic in common
among others three of them I know all three, also Mariano. We live
it more closely, because it is very affectionate, besides a great messenger and
is that they are very passionate. All three of you, this is beyond
doubt. They exude passion, but have a feature that is not fashionable and
humble. They' re truly humble. They do not go to us as
messengers of Jesus, in love with Jesus. They breathe it on all four
sides. Then, from twenty- six to twenty- eight April for everyone
can enter the page until he comes tre doubles of rigor point until he comes
point is and there they can look for the modality. If you are a
pastor or lead leader, you can also come in the previous and there we
will be already there and he also with his family, we will all be
there thank God. Already or Matorrado who is my colleague, they are praying
and many more than pastors friends and truth that come pastors from the north,
from the south of the whole country. Sergio Zubillaga plays well watered uzta,
endless, frames, etcetera, etcetera. No And because they want to hear
the voice of these swordsmen, I call them the three mojeteros to s They
certainly like the name. I like the name And it is good that they
team up with men and women of God here in Spain are challenging us to
prepare for what is coming and I think that Spain will be as an important
piece on the divine game board regarding the latest final events. I believe that
Spain in particular will have a very interesting part in this and I believe that
this Congress is a divine call for the Church in Spain to become courageous,
to face the great challenges with courage, because it will be difficult times,
but also times of great glory, and I believe that one cannot separate one
from the other. Sometimes we just want to keep the glory and run away
from suffering. But the Church does not flee. The Church is present.
The Church takes on the challenge, the breakdown of suffering and carries it in
such a way that it gives glory to God. And I think that the
most beautiful always arises in the most horrible contexts and the greatest light shines in
the most terrible darkness. Then I think very interesting times are coming and I
want to be ready Julio. Yeah, hey, hey, hey, hey,
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You said it. I remember in the two thousand twelve I was in
Argentina and I listened to Marcos the spontaneous singing and so many beautiful things,
which was something original and he has a grace. In fact, we sing
Many of the songs we sing in all the churches of the world are written
by Marcos Brunet and Lucas and their entire team that will be there one Saturday
night, at night 27 April, a concert with the whole band takes another
place and with like as well and all the good one. And they are
not people who show themselves, but are worshipers of the real ones and invite
us all to be able to participate in that experience. But this thing on
Avenida de Jesús Notice, they have two axes. Well, they talk about
a lot of topics, they' re very inspiring and very challenging, but
they have several of them two axes. One is the culture of intimacy with
God, who have in it a special grace, especially Marian how to develop
it truly and live it that live it. And then the subject of the
attitude of the Church in these last times common to pioneers of the Avenue of
the Lord But not as an armistice nor dramatic, nor as a plan of
torture or terror. But beware, things are going to be as they are,
but live the Christian life, the whole compendium of Christian life, because
if not I, my generation yours, probably yes my children' s Hello,
because you could be my son perfectly hello, because my daughter is about
your age, and or my grandchildren very but highly likely will receive Lord Jesus
by the signs of the times. It means living the whole Christian life in
all aspects in the light of Christ' s return And, as the apostle
John says, this hope in him purifies us, sanctifies us. That'
s better than that. I enjoy it that way and I don' t
know how you absolutely live it. And I think that when we just focus
on discovering the signs, we become a person in alarmists, maybe yellowish people.
But I believe that an eschatology that connects with intimacy with Jesus is the
eschatology that we see in Revelation, that finally, the word apocalypse means revelation,
is to see what is hidden. And every apocalypse is based not so
much on the antichrist, the beast, the great Babylonian that are there,
but it is based above all on discovering that the great victor is Jesus and
understanding his glory and understanding that he is worthy to untie all the seals of
history. Then I believe that eschatology without intimacy can even be harmful to our
spiritual life. The other day, someone asked me and Tiel, do you
think the antichrist is such a person? Or such a person or such person?
And who do you think the antichrist is? And Tiel, how to
discover the Antichrist. And I stopped that person and I said look, I
see you very obsessed with Antichrist. It would be much better for you to
know Christ, because when you know Christ deeply, you will be able to
better discern the appearance of Antichrist, because Antichrist is just going to be the
opposite of Christ. Whoever opposes Christ and cannot pretend to know the Antichrist if
you have not had an intimacy with Christ first, then I believe that our
great obsession should be to know the Christ and after that intimacy with him will
derive the rest of wisdom. But wisdom, an apparent wisdom detached from intimacy.
It is nothing more than catological yellowings and trying to get cabals from what
is going to happen or how it is going to be and we can have
a good time doing it even that Christian entertainment can be fun. No,
but I think the most important thing is that our heart is so full of
the revelation of Jesus, of the coming Jesus, that we have our own
personal apocalypse, that we can see him and understand that he is the great
victor of history and that we long for his coming, so that then everything
else that is going to happen becomes meaningful within that intimacy that we have with
Jesus. I don' t know if I explain the point. I love
this reflection. I think it' s very descriptive and I can subscribe and
I think many are. That' s how you have to live from another
three movies of these already, in fact, what' s going to happen
is already being before our eyes. But of course, the final brooch is
going to be a world desistable that is advocated, but this will bring us
closer to the mega point of history. But living it in that attitude is
if not the other. It' s a terror that seems to be that
I don' t know, you don' t know where you' re
going. No. No, no, it' s not like that.
It' s like you were saying.“ Hey, look,” says
a friend of mine, Lucas Marquez, who is an international speaker. It
also says the wheel of history," Dear friends, the Antichrist does not
carry it" The wheel of history takes him to Christ from the beginning and
to the end. He' s the one who leads the story and is
going to end it in total victory. It is not and it says that
we should not attribute to Antichrist what it is not or what it is going
to be, but what Christ really is, our lord and then good,
for it is pure good truth already to go closing I do not want to
abuse your generosity of time and to remind our listeners is that Congress until he
comes. And the subtitle is that I have given you, the subtitle of
my book, which will be released later this year. Today closer than ever,
look at you I' m doing spoiler on her. So, today,
closer than ever, until he comes. We' ll meet the guests
there. Mariano Senewal, director of the Instituto Misión, there in Buenos Aires,
great speaker writer Marcos Brunet, known with all his band, comes to
take your place in Lucas Corry company will also be managing and then Benjamin Núñez,
also a man with a precious and inspirational word and very important. We
will be in Reus in Tarragona from 26 to 28 April. Very soon.
You can still sign up too and tie will be with us, it will
also be with us. He says no I come to you just to be
yes, but we go to him. We have to take advantage of it
a little, a little, a little bit of the juice. He'
s gonna hit us and then he' s gonna be with us and it
' s gonna be you. You can enter the page. You go up
double point until he comes point is and there are modalities that come to the
Precongress. If that' s pastor or pastor elder leader, if you'
re a front- line leader, you can come from Thursday afternoon until Friday
morning and then Congress for everyone. Twenty- six to the twenty- eight
of Friday afternoon until Sunday after lunch we concentrate there in the pavilion of the
giant fire and we have a concert party also with everything that team take your
place Saturday night and you have to enjoy it and make the most of it.
It' s time for truth and til and now. The truth is
that we cannot seize opportunities like this truth. That' s right, see
you there July very eagerly. I embrace you with affection and encourage everyone who
' s listening to this and they say I don' t have enough time
to organize Look. If you feel like getting out, time is worth cancelling
some other engagement and attending this divine appointment, God is calling us as a
church to be pioneers of his second avenue. That' s right, dear,
my friend, I' m sending you a big hug and tie.
We hug shortly, see you soon, boy, until he comes, until
what. Today closer than ever, we invite you to the second edition of
this Interdenominational Congress aimed at the whole Body of Christ in Spain and Europe,
which will take place from 26 to 28 April in the Fira de Reus,
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Odea prunes home rodlas before your glory, bay bu pramado Friday and everything
or José vera you travel on the train of life. Well, ladies and
gentlemen, and allow me, good day, because we are from Barcelona in
Catalonia and we have news, because the USA is a celebration for all the
evangelical people, all the Protestant people in Spain. The inauguration at last,
already after so much work and so long projecting a magnificent design that has attracted
the attention of the avant- garde architects also for its avant- garde design,
is worth the redundancy of the Evangelic Hospital. We called him the new
Evangelic Hospital, but it is the Evangelic Hospital in Barcelona and also in Spain.
And there we have your Director General, Reyes Gualda, who is going
to explain to us a little bit how things are. Good morning, Reyes,
good morning, Julio, delighted to be here with you. Well,
finally, at last, the dream has come true, right, yes,
yes, almost three years ago of constructions. It has burned us a lot,
but well, at last we have a new hospital that is beautiful,
as you said, It has more than ten thousand meters, two hundred beds
and we are very proud to inaugurate shortly. On the 13th of next Saturday
we move our outbuildings on Camelias Street to a new hospital or is located in
the lied. A very innovative area of Barcelona has been stolen. Yes,
yes, it is the area, the area that is growing where many companies
are installing, especially technological. Modern Barcelona more than contemporary. Well, then,
what are the services now that he offers the Evangelic Hospital of the city
of Barcelona in this new stage, because Julio looks before explaining that services.
I would like all listeners to understand what kind of hospital you are and I
wanted to expect that we are a hospital specialized in the recovery of fragile people
who have several chronic diseases and make them very vulnerable to any health problems that
have happened, because it causes a great deterioration in them, both physically and
often also at the cognitive level, is to locate the type of hospital that
we are. So, this is a hospital called an intermediate care hospital.
It is something that this concept, I think it is unknown, goes to
unknown to the ordinary citizen and is called some reasons why it is called intermediate.
It is because it is in this intermediate period between that it is that
I give them a hospital and you return home, because this type of people,
who usually coincide with people are older, their recovery is quite slow and
require a stay in hospital after the hospital. So it is this time between
a person leaving the hospital, returning home or returning to the residence where he
lived. That kind of medicine we make, that' s specialized in these
kind of people. The three key axes is a very integral vision of the
person, a vision that not only affects the physical part, being also the
emotional part, the psychological part, the spiritual part, also the focus.
As it is supersounds that have many basic pathologies or more generally more than four,
it requires an approach or a treatment of their situation from a very multidisciplinary
point of view, which involves doctors, nurses, occupational plautas pisios, psychologists,
social workers and with everything, the team. The third key of this
kind of attention that is designed an individual plan for each person to be able
to recover and achieve the objectives of returning home, of doing the road again
day by day, of being autonomous, etcetera. So this is the type
of the hospital and within this guy' s hospital our services, because we
have both partner of its spiralization and outpatient hospitalization services. We have, as
I said before, two hundred beds divided into units of supuds. It is.
When a patient pays for emergencies, he has just been diagnosed and already
from the emergency room, he goes directly to our hospital for treatment, which
can last between eight or ten days. Then we have the functional recovery unit,
which are for febook fractures another type of fractures that must be very intensive
decentration in rehabitation. We don' t also have a long- stay unit
that already has a patient. There it can be, because more days about
a hundred days that are shelves in which the cures, which are complex and
take a long time, the patient in or that redefined and then we also
have a unit of pure valiatives that what is sought is comfort and that the
patient is painless in the last days of his life. On the other hand,
we also have at the outpatient level a therapeutic day hospital that we have
about thirty pests to make both functional and cognitive realizations and specialized geriatric consultations in
the near future. What we are going to do is we are going to
expand the hospital beyond what are the four walls and we are going to do
home care and home care also to the same type of patient profile that we
have and there is a project, which is a very innovative project in the
city of Barcelona, which we are going to do together with the professional is
LIX, which is the ninth Catalan health situation, and we are going to
make a community unit of fragility. I also want to specify that we are
a hospital is a private foundation of Christian values and we offer public service,
so we work hand in hand with all public health resources. I' ve
explained myself little extensive, but no, but happy every time the kind of
specialists you' ve perfectly updated us and besides, you know, we celebrate.
I also celebrate clearly we spoke with different health and professional means and this
type of intermediate care hospitals is deficient in Barcelona, that is, it means
that there are few yes places attended. This type of uchas is deficient.
Yeah, yeah, that' s why it' s one, it'
s an offer, it' s a proposal coming up. It is covering
a great need in this kind of intermediate assistance between transitions that is not usual
and I think it is a great service and that audacity also to discover a
need. Of course, because of the rest there are many proposals. Obviously
not, but in this case it has. And more, how' s
our society going? We don' t have more and more older people in
society. He thinks that by two thousand and thirty, twenty- five percent
of the society will be over sixty- five years old. I mean,
we have a society that good people live for many years. It is positive,
no, but also that the approach to health needs to be adapted and
I believe that we have an evangelical hospital that manages these kinds of needs.
It' s something of great value to society. In the end, it
is a necessity in an increase and I think we are in the place that
also touch the vision. The vision of having a health approach is not so
specific. If you' re young, you have an offender, you go
to a hospital, they diagnose you, and there' s a protocol that
' s more than evidence that works and they apply it to you. Instead,
when we talk about older people who have different pathologies, the approach gets
complicated because what is good for pneumonia, in the end you get rid of
that other thing and that complexity managed from the respective holistic integral is what I
think is richer and I am happy to be able to dedicate myself to working
in a hospital with that holistic vision. Yes, yes, and the truth
another of the things, among others, that have been striking by what we
are seeing and reading even the secular media, the Evangeli Hospital, which until
now was the no, but it is new, but it is the Evangeli
Hospital. It has been praised by many for its original architecture. What is
in Barcelona' s landscaping and this is the truth, is that it is
very peculiar. And that too, because it is a plus of call attention,
at least to the observer. Yeah, or we had to. We
have built on a plot that is public, that and that had a fault,
that is catalogued and, therefore, we have built six floors, combining
them with a historical facade that were the former garages of the metropolitan transports of
Barcelona. The architects we select for the project are the architects very specialized in
healthcare. They do many hospitals and they also have many awards and they have
done a great project. The façade combines very well with the surroundings. It
has different green colors that simulate the trees and when the plants go up,
the building becomes more white, blue and also grayish. Simulating the clouds of
Barcelona, it simulates very well what is a landscape of Barcelona. It is
also located in a horite area and allows in all rooms that all have lots
of light. A lot of light is made a design that optimizes the visual
contact with the outside, as it also coincides that it is exterior. It
is one of the first superillas of Barcelona, which is an environment, since
it is very clear and beautiful. Yes, the truth is that we had
made it clear, we have also taken advantage of the latest technologies in terms
of sustainability and we were very clear that we wanted to build a hospital that
was perceived by patients and families that we serve as very human and very welcoming,
and that we have. I think we' ve made it. Also
talk about works of art. We have cession of the Corts family, the
cono art works of Johanns and some other artists, so it is also a
space in which we will eat art and health. That' s nice,
that' s original, and that' s nice, too. I'
ve discovered and I think that many of us have realized that you' ve
given him a lot of love. In addition to the novelty, so desired
and desired by all the evangelical people, the Protestant people, the populace protesting
Catalonia and Spain also, as it is not one in any way, is
a flagship book the evangelical hospital. True, yes, yes, well,
may it become. There is also another thing that is also important that we
know that we are the first to design a double room with the opposite beds.
This allows both patients who are in the same room to see the outside,
even though they can run the curtain, that is, it works with
two curtains and they can both see the exterior and what is the design of
the room, two individual rooms with those participate and this has been visited we
have passed many visits by other hospitals that are proposing reforms or that are doing
new work to evaluate so to follow this model. And now the next hospital
he' s going to do, which is a mental health whistle in Barcelona,
and so on this model. So we' re very happy that we
' ve changed the way the service is going to be provided in these types
of double rooms, because it changes a lot for the patient. The possibilities
offered by this room are much wider than those of a traditional room. They
also have separate lights. One patient from the other two televisions is a grey
is like a higher level of double action. As for volunteers and also apart
from the volunteers of the Evangelic Hospital and more, in this new stage there
is also a call for the solidarity of volunteers that can give an important and
clear role for us volunteers. It' s part of our DNA. Our
mission is to offer, is to provide physical, emotional and spiritual well-
being with a model of attention, a tape to the person. And this,
in order to get this out, is very important the work that volunteers
do, for volunteers who can spend time and offer their affection at the foot
of bed so few famous of time all, because that is very, very,
very important to patients and to table a song with them and get to
know them more thoroughly, make them feel they have value. All this is
a plus that without the volunteers we couldn' t make it. Then it
is necessary that we have and I give a ride to whoever wants to volunteer.
There are many options to be able to offer help, from accompanying patients
to medical visits outside our hospital, that accompaniment that before also told them the
spiritual accompaniment for those volunteers who are well prepared in this field. Well,
the truth is, the fan is very wide and yes, the truth is.
If someone who hears this message wants to be part of our type of
volunteers, then that enters the web and contact us there is a contact tab
and we have more information than values and can really be a site where it
can be developed. That' s his magnificent volunteer. We' ve asked
for moves, but really? I don' t want to ask for more,
because it' s so successful that we have over a hundred volunteers,
that is, we' re going to assign one volunteer per patient, that
' s almost really been a great satisfaction of all those who have wanted to
come together to get there how nice this speaks of the collective illusion that also
in the evangelical people ay for this hospital that is at the service of all.
Of course, nothing more would be missing clear than yes, but only
in a summarized way for our listeners who have incorporated themselves and are somewhat unaware
of the existence of the Evangelic Hospital of Barcelona and at this very new age,
the historical origins of the Evangeli Hospital in the city of Barcelona, which
are very interesting medium, even when there were few care facilities one of them
was the Evangeli Hospital in its time as a dispensary that later became a hospital.
True, yes, it goes back to 1, 800 seventy- nine
hundred and forty- five years we are a hospital or one of the oldest
thousands in Barcelona. Together with Sanpao, I mean, we have a very
beautiful downhill trajectory. Of course, Angel Hospital and Cornace for a need for
the evangelists to be treated in a correct way in the health centers that at
that time were all basically Catholics and there was discrimination for the evangelicals. Of
course this has changed a lot over time. That was its beginning there is
that a free hospital was opened that catered to all kinds of people, regardless
of their faith and on equal terms then, of course, it was a
hospital that was supported, helped by international funds and became a high- tech
hospital, in which it was state- of- the- art and had
a lot of prestige. Then, already with the Spanish Civil War, because
it already became a field hospital, to be a habit point, habitation for
children and older people, that gave milk, street people, food and then
had to yield because of a political depression, to the foreign gatherings and it
was the hospital of the foreign colonies. And at the death of the Frank
and with religious freedom, he gave himself back to the pathonate of the evangelical
churches and was once again a hospital, to the evangelical hospital. We have
already reached a stage in which, because of the reform of public health,
a concert was reached with the evangelical hospital and since nineteen hundred and seventy-
six also makes public health and grace private health. And lately, because we
have moved to make a center of internal evidence of the many years and now
we inaugurate new stage, a new building two thousand twenty- four. Yeah,
exactly good. We' re practically in the opening this month, aren
' t we? Yeah, yeah. The transfer is next weekend. As
for openings, we plan to do them after the transfer, so that we
are there, we are all already evolving the whole hospital in a normal way.
Think that not only do we have to make a transfer, which is
the traditional grangélic hospital that you know on Camelia Street, but that in the
last two years we have expanded and now we have patients in other hospitals,
we have patients in the hospital of Hope. We have two floors from there,
so first we move the patients from Camelias Street and then we move a
few weeks later, week and mediate the patients in Hope. So, when
we' re all together there, we' ll do the openings. We
plan to make four, that is to say, openings, the first with
the staff, with our professionals, the second with the angelic people, which
is a time to be able to celebrate and we want to do it,
because in our style, really in a time of participation and of so great
years, And then we will also give after the elections, we will make
a good opening that participates in the politicians and also the sector that directs us,
let' s say in the field of health. And finally, we
want to do an open day with the neighborhood, with the neighbors and be
there to let us know how beautiful, how beautiful it will be. Moreover,
and it is also intelligent to do so after the elections, because now
well, as they are in all the political discourse and not to be told,
let us say that the Evangelis are a hospital for everyone, for all
the citizens and at the service of all the people of Barcelona and of the
people of Catalonia, of course, and of course not by extension towards the
Spanish people. But kings, besides celebrating it that we celebrate it above all
as an evangelical people, for it is Protestant. What we can bring evangelical
believers and the evangelical churches of Catalonia to the Evangelic Hospital in this new stage.
What can be our benign and positive contribution, because I already believe that
what we can contribute today to the churches and also in the hospital itself a
rapprochement, to provide more information with our part and to create interest in knowing
what we do And I would tell you without interest and be identification with a
work that aims to care for people and manage people and fulfill the mission that
we have all received. So what I would tell you is that identification with
mission and this interest and, of course, a commitment to prayer and volunteering.
Anyone who wants to help us on a recurring basis is welcome and even
volunteers. Perhaps they are different from traditional and professional lawyers or communication experts or
other types of profiles that help us to make the Angelic spice recognized to us
that we can communicate abroad not only the affection we put to things, but
the professionalism with which we want to alternate and every day is improved. Well,
well, it is also clear, the establishment of professionals, this very
first level of the Evangelic Hospital how it has always been characterized, even in
its old stage. Now what happens is that it is also a relaunch in
a version already avant- garde for the design that is striking. It is
kindly striking and, moreover, because of the novelty of a bet to the
day of modernity, of a series of accents that, therefore, has more
updated. Obviously, one step forward. And well, and it' s
a badge buoki for the city and also for the whole evangelical people, because
we' re there, it' s worth asking you to be like we
already saw we opened our professionals by April, we already have them, but
the truth is that yes, we' re always looking for nurses, looking
for doctors. And the truth if from the evangelical people wanted to enter the
hospital to work and to conceive that this is an issue point, because it
would also be very interesting, of course, entering the website. They can
contact you directly professionals. And so much and so much, yes, yes,
yes surely that in other parts of Spain there will be interesting professional people
that there are to see them, those, there are and are not so
few indigenous as many Latin Americans who are professionals of medicine and that we,
I, for example, in our own churches, in Spain, in forty
and so many churches Britania, we have medical professionals and surely some would like
to think about the Evangeli Hospital and Barcelona. But in any case, we
make this public appeal. Also of course, if you enter the website of
the Hospital Evangelic of Barcelona, all the information mesh, yes, dear kings
and you have something more to add, because already I will leave you because
you have work, but it is this part of the time that you have
dedicated to us and the thanks personally of polio. Of course, then,
with great pleasure kings that we give at your disposal this is always your station
and, of course, your home. I also send you a very affectionate
greeting. Chao Chaocho Hello, socrayes Walda, director Sanadalda to the very good
groups instance Avanteli. I am Dr Jesús Alburquerque, director of the Hospital de
Evangeli de Barcelona, Ans famul Faliss announced the official traciada way of maco plano,
have lent them to me in curantas hooks thanks. The new facilities make
up a hospital not an innovative, functional and minting construction. You' ve
also given a thousand square meters, distributed large hospital plants and action and two
in git. We want to welcome you to our new rehabilitation hospital, friendly
and human. Every detail has been designed to ensure the patient' s best
experience and community environment. We welcome you to this new innovative building in the
city of Barcelona. A hospital of parmeyudaldas kans sañad, some ford and the
emotional statue of the person each floor of an external jar fined yum a reactivated
ginna and a spice communints amplis and hewn in place works, give partc the
difficult to enrich and stimulate the recovery to the pacien some double and individual rooms,
designed to facilitate to the maximum the recovery of the patient and his well
- being. The team of professions at your service or s o r develop
their work better thanks to the innovative one available to the different elements, such
as the new placement of the beds or the attenuated functioning of the lights not
performed in building a difficult sustanipla and respectuos call media bien or gives show typus
certificat gives to the missions dateo two, the installation to photool tikas plates and
the connections to the sharsis of the twenty- two steal an, concrete to
the pneumatic collection of arras ilus and to the thermal that provides you igua freda
and calenta. We finally reached the phoenix of this project. It has been
months and months to devise, build and equip the new building. We are
facing a historic moment of our entity. We invite you to be a witness
to this new stage in the Evangelly Hospital in Barcelona for themos months organize the
plat transit pargar in front of an agile and a hundred- year- old
sau process. It is an opportunity mesda collaboration in transtechnic profascidas to the hospital
integrated voluntari and also pascien you aspara that thanks to everyone, plagues to the
transjatsto your nexit. We look forward to sharing this special hospital with you at
the Avantelec Hospital in Barcelona. If you want to visit our website wwwwww.
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