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Good morning, friends and friends,
I am Julio Pérez and this is the

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train of life, a radio adventure
along the routes of the heart. I

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want to invite you to travel with
me and dream together in a better world,

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a different world where men and women
of good will can live in peace

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and freedom. The train of life
is a magaxin of good news and hope.

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This is a radio time specially designed
for people like you and like so

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many truth seekers, of the only
truth that can make us authentic free come

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I invite you to travel with us
on the safest train of all, which

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will definitely take you to safe harbour. This is the train of life.

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Or very good morning, Spain,
good day, friends and friends, tireless

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travelers of this three, of this
epic train, the train of life,

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a living parable, like life itself
for thirty- two years, already traveling

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through the children of the human soul
and the most loving routes of the heart.

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Today we have very good friends among
us. Don' t miss it,

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let' s go with me,
let' s go there or d

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o o. Ladies and gentlemen,
yes, here we are. Wow.

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This is an exciting, fast-
paced train. Life is like that,

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well, sometimes life has so many
requieves. Look at this is a parable

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of life, because a train trip
suggests many things, external landscapes. While

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we are sitting comfortably on the train, especially on the bird today, not

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being told to the Minister of Turn, who is arguing the issue with competitors,

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but the thing is that it goes
very well, very comfortably. Different

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trains, the albian bird, the
bad euromet, so many good trains and

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we go traveling and we go looking
at the outside, the landscapes, a

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lot, a lot of field through
and many times populations and many curiosities that

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one is meditating on himself with his
things and the trajines, the mental rus

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rum, but others good, at
a given time, we have a newspaper,

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a period of paper. I read
digital newspapers every day from four to

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five digital newspapers, but sometimes I
like to have when I travel by train,

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buy one or two paper newspapers and
read the newspapers and read a book.

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I read my Bible that I carry
it too and prefer to read it

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on paper as I have it here
too that I have this volume Faximil,

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which is the new two thousand twenty
of the biblical partner. This is a

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jewel, uh, and there is
already a little touch- up in this

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new edition, nothing that is orthographical, but bad, almost unrecognizable, but

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that, as we are so purist, I say because I am part of

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the board of biblical society and always
look carefully at everything, because it is

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there reading my Bible and enjoying it. I recommend to you about that,

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the two thousand and twenty, which
is masterful, among others, for us,

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our Bible at the head. So
what happens, because you' re

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reading, you also have your iPad
or your tablet, of course or your

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laptop. A lot of people go
to work, obviously have built- in

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Internet or the WiFi from the train, that the Trein also has wi figense,

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we have everything on the trip and
then a coffee or you bring it

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already I take a drop of water, but I like to go to the

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wagon, to the bar and have
a coffee on the train, a coffee

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there and then, well, sometimes
I travel in a single person seat,

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because it does not give for itself
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someone next door, maybe people don' t want to talk. Usually,

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not this one you' re going
to want, but I do try to

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engage in a minimal conversation. Some
people go more and sometimes find you people

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who tell you about life and you
tell them your stuff too and that'

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s life. That' s life. So you don' t go and

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come, you carry your luggage according
to where you go or for how long

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you go. So, that'
s the way it goes. So,

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this is the train of life.
It' s a living parable, for

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today we' ll be here with
very good friends. Who will be with

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us. Look, we' ve
got José Valladolid. He is the president

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of the Challenge Challenge association. In
many of the local centers of return is

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called Challenge to hope. Challenge is
a well- known organization. I know

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from hearsay and have ever seen Don
Raimundo, who was the founder, an

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Insignian man who is alive is still
many years old, but he has a

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lot of very brave energy. Very
enterprising and well, I have very good

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friends who were in challenge and that
some of them are part of our network

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of pastors today, but others who
are there at the front, as is

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the case of José Valladolid, a
really close man, will check it out

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and we want to know a little
that good job that challenge is doing.

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The challenge is an organization that does
its work and does not care if their

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prestige and such have it for what
they do, for the fruit that is

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seen, but they are very good
workers in all the headquarters and the truth

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work at the level of autonomous communities, work internationally in many countries and want

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to know a little inside who is
who. And in Don José Valladolid,

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a little bit the current President,
who many years ago, entered into a

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challenge and he has assumed the presidency
for a few years. And also,

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because we want to know in depth
about their performance, they work on humanitarian

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projects of all kinds and tell us
about them. We want to know why

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it is an international Spanish organization.
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' ll have a guest in the
second part as well. Osvaldo Rebolleda ores

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va Rebra. He is a master
of the word, a great teacher Look

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have his page Osvaldo Rebolleda, want
to remember, can access and have an

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endless list books, but great and
the big thing is that they are free.

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It is pure generosity with subjects of
all kinds and it is a man.

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I met him recently, knew him
by hearing from my good friend,

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Pastor Antonio Ventas there in Orihuela,
but I met him personally on my last

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trip and made such a pleasant impression. He travels today, returns to Argentina,

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to his hometown, and he travels
constantly. He is a lecturer and

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international and a man to listen to
because he has a truly apostolic ministry.

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Also without boasting anything does it because
it goes with him and we will have

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the taste and we will talk about
God' s unlimited resources. I choose

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the title because I think it suits
him this resources. It' s just

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that God has resources, man.
Whether God man or woman. If God

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does not have unlimited resources, who
can have them other than him, not

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artificial intelligence, not God' s
god. He is our God, our

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good God, and we will be
with Don Osvaldo Rebolleta. Don' t

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miss it and how we don'
t have it There has Arroyo that is

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not easy to our Spanish influencer,
Basque pure, Cepa more international, magnificent

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speaker and he is that Hael,
because he preaches in one way to talk

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of another. It does it'
s trappings of this and good and Tiel

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is a genius and believe me it
is Some say sometimes it wears out one

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of so much to let itself be
seen and to talk if there are a

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few such and they are good speakers, among them they were before Gebel in

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another in another is a showman,
but of the good ones actually look at

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God through this June I will hear
it on a trip that I have to

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do to Madrid. One of those
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ll be listening to ante gebl but
I like it, I like its creativity,

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its ingenuity and, besides, the
monologues it has are super cool.

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But back to itier creek, well, we' re gonna have it.

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Look You know that we have a
congress here from 26 to 28 April,

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here in Reus, in Tarragón,
in the area of Catalonia, in the

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Fira area, which is a gigantic
pavilion where the great fairs that fit in

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more than four thousand people are held. Then we have on top an auditorium

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with seats also very nice for six
hundred and fifty, that there we have

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the meetings of pastors, that there
are already about five hundred elderly pastors,

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wives, leaders ofprime mainly pastors and
pastoral leaders at this congress and you still

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have time to enter. We'
ll have him there and we' ll

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be there too, but it comes
as one to receive, he' ll

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have a stake in me. You
have to have a plenary. There are

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four days, in fact, two
and a half, but one for pastors,

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where he too will have a participation
in a forum and of course not.

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He comes says I go to receive
being there almost all weekend, Sunday.

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You have to be traveling now,
you have to travel to the United

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States in a commitment you have,
but we will have it and we will

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talk about it with the title that
Congress has until he comes, referring to

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Jesus, I have titled it until
Jesus comes? What' s going to

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happen? Until Jesus comes? Well, that' s what we' re

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talking about, and we' re
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who' s going to be there. Mark Brunet, one of the best

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- known composers in the Christian world. We sang their songs in almost all

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our churches. Lucas also consley who
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Mariano Sene also comes, as well
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that of Mariano, the director of
the Institute Mission in Montegrande, there in

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Buenos Aires, and also Benjamin Núñez, a young man who is impressive to

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hear. The truth is that well, they are three swordsmen of the word

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plus and tiel Arroyo and we interviewed
him. Don' t miss it,

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because this interview is interesting until Jesus
comes with Itira Rroya here on the train

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of life and I remember again those
who arrived good, but July, to

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inform me of this res of Congress
until he comes at the end of April,

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he is barely fifteen days away,
because Mira can enter three double uves.

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Period, until he comes, period
is there you have all the information

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of a day of all Congress,
the Precongress only for pastors and elders and

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wives, of course, in this
case, the day before. But until

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he comes, that' s where
they have all the information. And the

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last interview is very, very nice, very affectionate for all evangelicals and Protestants

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in the country. Look you know
that we have a Evangelite hospital, from

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the evangelit Hospital in Barcelona, many
years on Cameliez Street, Barrio, very

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very very Barcelona, a very interesting
neighborhood, but well, that place was

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small enough years ago and thought was
given to the construction of a new hospital,

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what has been called the Now Evangeli
Hospital. The new Evangeli Hospital is

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the Evangelical Hospital Evangelit Hospital in Barcelona, because it was no longer new,

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it was the project and that is
already a reality. I tell you to

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see, you are going to watch
video in the interview, photographs and we

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are going to talk to your Director
General, a very bold woman, who

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is a squalid king Director General and
very bold for the whole process, as

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she has lived, as she has
worked, as tied, with all the

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human team. There are also doctors, doctors and has a very interesting intermediate

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function, which is unusual. This
hospital is going to have a large hospital

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and the architectural design of the hospital
has attracted the attention of many architects of

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Barcelona, because it is very avant- garde, it is very original and

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very beautiful and in tune with the
history of the city Condal and think that

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it is in the twenty- two
arroa, in one of the best places.

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Now he deserved this project, a
hospital more than a hundred years old.

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It was one of the hospitals that, when there was little hospital care,

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this hospital that then had to name
it foreign colonies, help me clearly

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international, because good Francoism left it
banned because it was Protestant, obviously not,

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but then it restored everything when democracy
returned. And here they are now,

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for you will say so. He' ll tell us a little gualda

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kings and all that in these four
characters that we' re going to have

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on the train of life and well
some curious music that is always seasoned the

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program and more things don' t
miss it. Come on, join me

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on this traveling train, which is
the train of life. Here we go.

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You can send your message through our
Facebook, through our Facebook, entering

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between its double- point see the
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of life. Point is remember that
in this way you collaborate with us.

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Tell us your impressions, ask us
and participate actively. We want to meet

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you, we want to meet you. Use our website. Three month double

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point train of life. Together it' s and follow us through Facebook,

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through Facebook, how good I'
ve been to you to get me out

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of any trouble. How much I
deserve to be your friend that instead of

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giving me a punishment, if you
fall you encourage me, how much I

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want you to appear to those who
have been unknown and how you did the

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pins cover stars count, but it
hasn' t convinced me. I love

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you or, sir, I love
you, I love you and I love

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you, I love you let go
of my hand that I just want to

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go your way. Tara synthifice.
I know you now to love and pose

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and although I have sought the foundation, I have not been able to tell

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the tale. It' s because
I perceive you every day as salty.

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Tell me if I want you to
come back soon. You' re the

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author of iverso and we' re
waiting for you for autograph and the photo

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I fear, sir I, I
love you we create and I need you.

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I love you, the Spinan sun
that I am I want it.

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I quote you. Lord I will
let you have my hand that I will

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only love you your way meaningfully.
I know you by the wings of man

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heal. The Traffic and Road Safety
Act has changed. We changed the rules,

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because the way we move has also
changed. That is why now the

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deadline to recover the starting balance of
points is two years, without committing infringements

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that involve the loss of points.
New times, new rules. Directorate-

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General for Traffic, Ministry of the
Interior, Government of Spanish. Never leave

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me alone in the bathtub or places
with water. Don' t let Luis

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emit fingers in a hinchufe. Don' t leave me at the age of

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an open window. I told her
about tissue substances or a thousand roads,

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and you don' t let me
swallow the small pieces of toys. If

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you neglect your blade, you can
be dangerous to your children. Don'

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t worry, avoid accidents. For
what you want most Ministry of Health and

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consumption a Government of Spain if you
want to visit our website wwwwwww. The

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train of life. The train of
life. You two, ladies and gentlemen,

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for as we announced to you here
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This wagon I have called him the
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place of luxury in the sense that
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and with so many experiences and everything, each one comes from where it comes

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from, each one is, each
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And we have here our friend,
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Association in Spain and also challenge is
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is popularly known as José Valladolid,
but is José Manuel. Here we have

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him and he will tell us all
his last name, welcome José Manuel.

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Thank you very much, thank you
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first name and surname José Manuel Monjero, Gómez Monjero, José Manuel Monjero and

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have Valladolid de Madina in the countryside
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leaves it. It was the theory
of the field and many years ago I

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was there, I was there in
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camp Valladolid, when I had just
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and I was still living Franco eh
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was the year seventy- three.
Or something like that and I remember going

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through the villages doing with the portorado, offering bibles, new wills and a

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kind of magazine that was Billy Grahal' s Book of Peace with God,

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which we offered in the form of
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the will that the people wanted,
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in teams that we went with Eric
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men of God, some of them
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of the anecdotes is that some of
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us to the barracks and some left
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that we were spreading some revolutionary literature
for the regime and it was very

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curious. Then Don Juan Gilly came
and took out my friend Pedro Albala who

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was locked away for a couple of
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Spain. No, yes, yes, nowadays Valladolid has very pretty. Yes,

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but then there was I want it
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It seems to me that it was
the only church in Valladolid, because curiously

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continues my friend Luis Fagardo, yes
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I remember because my family had a
bar. And, well, from

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when I became a Christian, for
I asked, I say, why have

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I never met a Christian? And
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mean, but right next to the
bar there was a little window like a

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window, where there was an open
Bible. And well, it was an

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evangelical church, what happens is that
I had never known it was a church,

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nor did I see the movement of
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I did not know it. It
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I was Christian, since I was
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in fact, I knew a lot
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they were people, because from there
in the neighborhood not what, well it

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' s look, what stories and
how the years have passed. And well,

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God' s work in Spain has
grown immensely. No yes, it

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is, it is not comparable,
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But today I agree that my good
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from the Assemblies of Brothers, which
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in the past. Well, then, as to how you came to know

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Jesus in what way, what happened
in your life. Well, as at

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that time, in the 1980s it
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a very important drug addiction problem.
I, well, the truth is,

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you could pretty much say I had
a pretty successful life. I had a

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very good job. I' m
into basketball downstairs and, well, I

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didn' t have much, I
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this world. But for one reason
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issues, I began to relate and
well, with which, after three or

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four years I ended up hooked to
heroin. Well, this came to me

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to have some income in the hospital
in very bad condition and already one of

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the times, well, they told
me that I had to find a solution

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to the problem I had then in
Spain. The only thing they could say

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to me was the work the Patriarch
was doing and I challenge, I was

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there, in Valladolid. And,
well, challenge was free the Patriarch,

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so the decision was easy to make. And, well, then, I

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went to challenge. And, I
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t know how it happened. Not
always that I have to think of that

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time I see as a grace,
as one thing, an extraordinary miracle,

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because I did not have, I
was not looking for God, I had

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no interest in the things of God. Well, I could just admit that

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I had a drug problem and that' s what I came here for,

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but little by little, something was
happening in my life and well, in

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a matter of less than three months, I could say that I was a

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Christian. I went to my house
and already went to my house with a

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change in my life, with a
transformation, having been born again because I

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was someone else and not because of
what I experienced, but because of what

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they could say to my own family. Not from me, then I saw

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a reality of what God did in
my life. So that was my experience

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in finding the Lord and also my
experience in terms of my entry into challenge,

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and I had no long- term
plans, but also a time when

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I felt that God wanted to do
something in my life, here in the

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work, in challenge. And since
then, here I am and have been

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since the year eighty- seven I
arrived, for it is already how many

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years, well, look, it
is about forty years, the thirty-

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seven exactly if you have a wife, you have a family, yes,

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I married here in challenge. I
also met my wife here and I have

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other children. Gee, he hears
what, four grandkids, four grandkids,

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or this steals our hearts. Hey, how important it is when you feel

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involved. Well, you could have
been there, like so many others have

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done and gone somewhere else to make
an ordinary life in everyday life and not

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so. But how important it is
that you understood to be part of the

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proactive, to recruit yourself into the
army of challenge to reach out to others

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and to continue helping and helping until
today and indeed congratulations, because it is

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to be thanked, because if there
were no such people and well, there

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would not be that vanguard help that
there is in the centers as a challenge,

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for example, you spoke of the
Patriarch. I remember in the eighties

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we and here in Barcelona, when
we received the charismatic experience and such we

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started a new community, that we
came from the assemblies of brothers. Also

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and I remember that the boys were
dying in the night so and we broke

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our heart and several in the street, in the neighborhood of Horta, and

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well adopt it as my new neighborhood. And the truth is, and we

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set up a center with a brother
who senses us in a house. Then

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we bought, as we could a
piece of land and there we were almost

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ten years and some of the leaders
are still there working and then we transferred

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it. But really all there was
back then was the patriarchs, but the

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patriarch was a sect. Actually,
it was a sectarian group. As for

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the dynamics that were there, I
remember, I can' t tell you,

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I can' t tell you.
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met a lot of people who'
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Yeah, yeah, she disappeared when
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it started to divide a lot.
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s a big difference. I don' t mean, I don' t

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know. No, I never knew
Lucin Engel Mayer, I don' t

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know his vocation his longing. But
of course, when such a charismatic figure

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disappears to the rest of the people, or has a very important vocation,

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or if not, in the end
the questions of money or and from this

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it disintegrates itself, unlike what happens
in a center as a challenge, that

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there is a Christian implication. There' s an implication as to your dedicated

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life, and that' s not
one person' s, it' s

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a lot of people. So,
that' s why, well, I

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can be or not be. And
a challenge will continue to work, because

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with the people who are at heart
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Yes, what happens is that I
mentioned only this detail, because there were

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no centers almost then and clearly the
people or decanted that and we, when

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we saw what we saw, we
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Some also came from the world,
from the street, from drugs, and

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I too came from the rabal and
problems too and that gave us a vision,

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a little closer, but there was
almost nothing. So that' s

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why it' s good that organizations
already appear as challenge and good and that

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says, we' ve done the
raymundo of an entire character, the well

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- founded character. Yes, he
was a missionary in Mexico, he went

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there with his whole family and from
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eighty- three eighty yes out there
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when they get a little bit,
let' s say the stones, the

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foundations, a little bit of the
work in the association. They first start

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catching people in their house and then
they rent a house and in Santander,

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and there they start catching people,
with the idea of that, of not

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going further, of being able to
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Which happens to be clear right away. It became small and there was

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the need to go to other places
until what is now challenging, not that,

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because it is in many of the
regions of Spain and in thirty countries

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abroad. Not good, well with
an important presence in some of the countries,

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very important, very solid. Come
on, yeah, well, then

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they were, obviously, in those
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or Cerma and so on, were
appearing. But challenge, what I have

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observed is a sustainable trajectory and it
goes on, no and then that'

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s interesting and until today and that' s still going on. And well,

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and that speaks now what I do
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needs of young people who have addictions
among themselves to drugs, sex, other

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issues and networks and who are sick, have varied a little bit truth,

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yes, yes, obviously, the
design drugs that are now affecting very differently.

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There are other kinds of additions,
as you well said, there are

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also people who are simply people in
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Then it' s about being able
to offer an opportunity, a way

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out to anyone who needs it.
What is true is that it' s

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like the issue of drugs, heroin
and all this always comes back, always

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comes back. It seemed like that
was a subject that was getting a little

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bit parked, but now, since
in the United States there is a problem

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with hospital drugs, the frantanillo and
other types of drugs that are gradually spreading

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and already in Spain you find people
with this type of methadone die in their

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time, something good, but yes, but this is much more powerful.

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Also, with a very fast progression, in very few days you are practically

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hooked and shattered. Geez how many
dangers and how many human stories of men,

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women, young and not so young, you see human dramas of real

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good, you live it on the
front line, as was your case and

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that of so many others, who
better, who better than the one who

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has lived it, but then they
pass in front of you in eight hundred

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so many cases. Some pass and
disappear and leave, but others remain because

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they have no life expectancy. They' re doomed to die if they don

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' t take it seriously, at
least recovery. When you know Christ.

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This is really a vital ingredient.
Not so, without disregarding the work that

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other people do, for example,
the work that makes alcoholics, anonymous the

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vision in the end is that you
are an alcoholic all your life and you

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have to live as an ex-
alcoholic, as someone who has problems and

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who has to be there constantly vigilant
to that situation. We, but mainly

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because of what God does in our
lives, do not believe in that the

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possibility of a new person, of
a new birth, of a person who

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has had a problem and who has
had a not- good victory. There

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are things we all need to take
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No, but I believe in a
new man, a completely renewed person

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in a person who did, who
had a problem, but that' s

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already like an old nightmare, not
that already happened. And there is a

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victory in Christ, evidently, but
there is a victory. This seems very

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interesting to me that you think about
this myself that sometimes groups of alcoholics come

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here. Right now, your work
is very much appreciated. Yes, that

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was founded by a gospel Christian who
had the problem of addiction to alcoholism than

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alcoholism. I realized when we had
the center at that time. The problem

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we had the most serious to detoxify
people was with alcohol. Alcoholism was more

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serious than heroin addiction in many cases. Okay, then. In any case,

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what they declare, I want to
understand what they mean not I am

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an alcoholic all my life. Of
course you seem to believe your self-

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stigma. No, I mean,
it' s true that I have to

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be on guard all my life when
I' ve been a gambling addict or

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whatever, obviously, but in Christ
I' m a new creature and I

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can' t go saying I have
a new identity and it' s a

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clear fact that you' re tired
of developing. You can say that every

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time. I am a miserable sinner
who I want to tell myself so that

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I am not not a repentant sinner, I am a redeemed sinner and I

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do not trust myself in my old
nature, but I do trust in the

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new identity that God has given me
in Christ. Sure, that' s

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the right idea. Those things,
I mean, honestly, we' ve

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never been tempted again with drugs.
I know that my nature, because it

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has dangers and has things and I
have to take care, like any man,

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of many things, but specifically of
those. Those. Not really.

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I don' t know it'
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and, above all, when you
talk to someone, when you tell them

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that you, because they always ask
you in the third person. Listen to

413
00:41:31.960 --> 00:41:35.639
those guys you have there and I
say well, those guys. I was

414
00:41:35.800 --> 00:41:39.519
one of those kids and then people
say it can' t be. I

415
00:41:39.599 --> 00:41:42.840
mean yes, yes, could it
be? Yeah, maybe? Maybe?

416
00:41:43.159 --> 00:41:46.360
It might be good, and there
are so many cases in the life challenge.

417
00:41:46.760 --> 00:41:51.519
I' m good. I see
and admire those changes very much.

418
00:41:52.000 --> 00:41:53.519
I was I grew up in the
raval of Barcelona and I was born.

419
00:41:53.800 --> 00:42:00.559
My brother was a dealer of camels
or you were a proxinita look at the

420
00:42:00.679 --> 00:42:02.280
environment I lived in. I was
not addicted to heroin, but I was

421
00:42:02.360 --> 00:42:08.400
a smoker of joints of those who
had the cane that was to kill you

422
00:42:08.480 --> 00:42:14.000
at that time, so that I
gave you a heart attack and alcoholism,

423
00:42:14.679 --> 00:42:17.360
a 13- year- old boy, fourteen fifteen until the eighteen that I

424
00:42:17.360 --> 00:42:23.119
met Jesus. And the truth is
that I can say as You, Jesus

425
00:42:23.239 --> 00:42:28.360
changed my life substantially. It is
true that there is a whole process,

426
00:42:28.599 --> 00:42:34.360
that there are struggles, that there
are moments of crisis of transitions, but

427
00:42:35.199 --> 00:42:37.119
it was a real change and that
I love. It' s not a

428
00:42:37.119 --> 00:42:42.440
real change. God' s power
changes life. When You make a determined

429
00:42:42.559 --> 00:42:46.000
surrender to Christ and submit yourself to
His project, it is not accurate.

430
00:42:46.400 --> 00:42:51.880
The other day I had to go
to the hospital for one thing they had

431
00:42:52.679 --> 00:42:59.280
to look at me and I was
wondering you baby, I say not since

432
00:42:59.280 --> 00:43:00.639
the year eighty- five. It' s no good anymore, and you

433
00:43:00.639 --> 00:43:06.519
smoke. I say not since the
year eighty- five. He doesn'

434
00:43:06.639 --> 00:43:07.880
t take drugs or something. I
say no since the year eighty- five.

435
00:43:08.039 --> 00:43:13.159
Was the man already saying what happened
in the year eighty- five?

436
00:43:13.280 --> 00:43:19.199
I said I met Cristóbal and that
or year eighty- seven forgiveness, I

437
00:43:19.239 --> 00:43:22.320
said I knew Christ and no longer
had interest in any of these things.

438
00:43:22.400 --> 00:43:27.280
The man was a little amazed to
say the year why he spent the year

439
00:43:27.320 --> 00:43:29.960
eighty- seven? Yes, yes, yes, yes, I wanted to

440
00:43:30.039 --> 00:43:35.039
know what things are not, but
that there are other cases that cost them

441
00:43:35.559 --> 00:43:38.440
more and quiet and also there the
Lord helps you, no, no,

442
00:43:38.760 --> 00:43:42.400
all the cases are the same,
already, but that is true. God

443
00:43:42.599 --> 00:43:47.199
' s transformational power is so great
for a life. And here we are,

444
00:43:47.239 --> 00:43:51.880
here we are, we are after
thanks to God, for the pure

445
00:43:52.000 --> 00:43:55.760
grace of God, the grace of
God. Hey And then the challenge is

446
00:43:55.840 --> 00:44:01.920
in several cities and in several autonomous
communities of Spain. Yes, well,

447
00:44:02.239 --> 00:44:07.920
look to see less Castilla la Mancha, that there is no center in Castilla

448
00:44:07.079 --> 00:44:16.280
la Mancha and Navarra either. But
in the rest of the autonomous communities we

449
00:44:16.480 --> 00:44:21.199
are in all, in some places
with more presence, in others with less.

450
00:44:21.920 --> 00:44:27.000
But, yes, yes, and
well, as I said before,

451
00:44:27.079 --> 00:44:30.199
we started in Santander, that is, it started in Santander and from there,

452
00:44:30.880 --> 00:44:34.880
it started to open in other places, in Alicante, in Huelva.

453
00:44:34.960 --> 00:44:40.159
Here in Barcelona And then, already, that' s when I started taking

454
00:44:40.239 --> 00:44:49.639
the step abroad Mexico. There was
a special bond because raimundo, as it

455
00:44:49.719 --> 00:44:59.119
had been there, Russia, Russia, John had called to go there and

456
00:44:59.280 --> 00:45:04.800
today in Rus O, be it
good, there is a very strong,

457
00:45:04.960 --> 00:45:08.719
very powerful implementation of the challenge.
In fact, we were given a kind

458
00:45:10.119 --> 00:45:19.960
of diploma from that of the entire
Russian Federation as the association with the greatest

459
00:45:20.039 --> 00:45:24.360
implantation or with the best work that
was being done in the Russian Federation.

460
00:45:25.159 --> 00:45:31.599
I mean, there are countries that
are working very well in others a little

461
00:45:31.679 --> 00:45:39.119
less, but nice. Listen to
Don Raymundo you call him good you want

462
00:45:39.199 --> 00:45:45.320
him by my friend Juan, who
is a pastor and come back today Juan

463
00:45:45.440 --> 00:45:51.599
return by axis José Valladolid, because
here from Juan Cruz, who will surely

464
00:45:51.719 --> 00:45:54.760
be listening to you now the boss
called him the river of the Chief and

465
00:45:55.679 --> 00:45:58.280
all the llais love Sainte you call
him yes, yes, what man?

466
00:45:58.639 --> 00:46:02.159
Really, I' ve heard it
two or three times directly now, recently,

467
00:46:02.159 --> 00:46:07.440
that he paid you a little tribute
a little while ago. And what

468
00:46:07.519 --> 00:46:12.079
a man that these men, who
are impellers, are admirable, are men,

469
00:46:13.079 --> 00:46:17.079
but who have dared to do what
no one or anyone else does not

470
00:46:17.079 --> 00:46:22.119
do easily. That' s right, that' s right, thank God.

471
00:46:22.400 --> 00:46:28.000
Yes, there are people who good, who listen to God' s

472
00:46:28.119 --> 00:46:36.559
voice and pull forward without looking at
the complications, the family things. Well,

473
00:46:36.800 --> 00:46:44.119
thank God. Now what we would
like you to explain José Manuel,

474
00:46:44.360 --> 00:46:53.800
is what are the activities he develops
in the different places? Well, from

475
00:46:53.880 --> 00:47:01.800
the beginning, or at the beginning, because we had like all the need

476
00:47:02.559 --> 00:47:13.679
to self- finance ourselves, but
on the part of the government or the

477
00:47:13.760 --> 00:47:17.559
municipalities, because there was no such
will, among other things, because I

478
00:47:17.679 --> 00:47:20.360
think they looked at us and said
these are going to last two days.

479
00:47:21.039 --> 00:47:23.840
And in two days, then,
because it was not worth investing anything in

480
00:47:24.000 --> 00:47:31.599
a project like ours. So,
well, we saw ourselves in the need

481
00:47:31.679 --> 00:47:39.960
to self- finance ourselves, to
do things to serve as self- financing,

482
00:47:42.000 --> 00:47:46.239
also to serve as some kind of
occupational workshops, so that boys could

483
00:47:46.239 --> 00:47:53.480
learn trades. And so, look, we have traces of second- hand

484
00:47:53.639 --> 00:48:00.639
furniture stores that are restored, are
also fixed electrical appliances, which we arrange

485
00:48:00.760 --> 00:48:09.320
and put into operation. Here,
in Barcelona, we have a furniture factory,

486
00:48:12.360 --> 00:48:19.000
a workshop where you work with him, hotel producer. It' s

487
00:48:19.119 --> 00:48:24.119
restored, too. In other parts
of Spain there are car scrappings in three

488
00:48:24.199 --> 00:48:31.719
sites, Santander, Valladolid and Asturias. There' s these scrappings. We

489
00:48:31.840 --> 00:48:37.880
also have here a place where we
buy vehicles, restore them, fix them

490
00:48:38.000 --> 00:48:47.800
and put them on sale. We
move. We also have a cattle ranch.

491
00:48:49.039 --> 00:48:53.159
We also have cows there, in
Tarrasa, in a village in vila

492
00:48:53.239 --> 00:49:00.280
de cabas. Well, we touch
different points, among other things, because

493
00:49:00.480 --> 00:49:07.440
not everyone likes the same things So, then, there are people who now

494
00:49:07.000 --> 00:49:10.800
come many people also older, and
sometimes people who are a little bit of

495
00:49:10.960 --> 00:49:20.760
this kind of design drugs, because
they come a little touched and mentally with

496
00:49:21.000 --> 00:49:24.519
difficulties. Then there are jobs they
can’ t do, but it’

497
00:49:25.760 --> 00:49:30.239
s just as good to be with
the one that the cows carry or the

498
00:49:31.599 --> 00:49:34.480
ones that care for the chickens or
good to tend a garden or things.

499
00:49:34.559 --> 00:49:38.039
So, they can do it.
They are occupational jobs, but they require

500
00:49:38.119 --> 00:49:44.719
minimal effort. Basically yes, yes, you don' t need to go

501
00:49:44.800 --> 00:49:50.000
in a truck and make a bigger
effort. So well you seek to have

502
00:49:50.639 --> 00:49:58.599
something that suits each other' s
situation and in this way we finance ourselves,

503
00:49:58.760 --> 00:50:06.079
not good abroad. They pretty much
follow the line we have here,

504
00:50:07.119 --> 00:50:10.599
although sometimes there are a little country- specific or site- specific things,

505
00:50:12.039 --> 00:50:15.719
which may vary a little bit,
but usually we all work the same way.

506
00:50:16.280 --> 00:50:23.639
So, of course, you work
with women who are in single-

507
00:50:24.000 --> 00:50:30.800
parent neglect, who have families who
need help, also in addictions, especially

508
00:50:30.840 --> 00:50:36.880
there are people who come to the
centers, but then in different places you

509
00:50:36.880 --> 00:50:40.480
have different programs of humanitarian solidarity.
There is a diversity of programs also social

510
00:50:40.480 --> 00:50:47.800
cinema. Yeah, yeah, well, sometimes in Mexico we usually do medical

511
00:50:49.400 --> 00:50:57.039
campaigns every year. We go to
the indigenous area, we gather a group

512
00:50:57.119 --> 00:51:02.440
of doctors and dentists, as well
as people, and we do a program

513
00:51:02.679 --> 00:51:08.079
of several days meeting a little local
needs. We have also done that,

514
00:51:08.920 --> 00:51:15.559
it was done a few years ago
in Ukraine. Well, you try to

515
00:51:15.639 --> 00:51:21.480
attend a little bit to the needs
after the guys who are with us,

516
00:51:21.719 --> 00:51:29.239
who are in rehab, because many
of them also have particular needs, health,

517
00:51:31.159 --> 00:51:37.920
different things, to have glasses,
to be able to fix their teeth

518
00:51:38.039 --> 00:51:44.880
in a certain way. So you' re tending a little bit according to

519
00:51:45.039 --> 00:51:52.480
the needs that are being raised and
looking for a way also for people who

520
00:51:52.639 --> 00:51:57.000
want to rehabilitate and redo their lives, because they can do it. Some

521
00:51:57.320 --> 00:52:02.239
want to continue to maintain a link
with us and others, because sometimes maybe

522
00:52:02.280 --> 00:52:08.039
because of the place where they live
or, because of other circumstances you no

523
00:52:08.079 --> 00:52:13.960
longer know about them. No,
but, well, it' s true

524
00:52:14.280 --> 00:52:20.400
that when we' re talking about
drug addiction, there are also people coming

525
00:52:20.559 --> 00:52:23.719
back, coming back again. But
we have also seen in these years people

526
00:52:23.840 --> 00:52:30.159
that well, they have overcome the
problem, they have remade their lives,

527
00:52:30.639 --> 00:52:34.760
they are with their families and they
hear and what you know about them is

528
00:52:34.880 --> 00:52:37.159
that they are well two hundred.
It' s hundreds and hundreds and hundreds.

529
00:52:37.960 --> 00:52:44.280
I know many who have been in
challenge and are fine families lives.

530
00:52:45.679 --> 00:52:52.440
This is the result of good work. That' s the best paycheck.

531
00:52:52.559 --> 00:52:58.280
One cannot be received and indeed many
of us are so happy. Now,

532
00:52:58.760 --> 00:53:04.119
by the way, making a parenthesis
that you will surely hear this interview said

533
00:53:04.159 --> 00:53:07.119
at four in the morning. I
can' t hear her. Our friend

534
00:53:07.199 --> 00:53:12.639
Manuel Sáncha, who was a missionary, became through challenge. He was also

535
00:53:12.719 --> 00:53:16.079
a missionary during a time in Mexico. He lost his arm out there in

536
00:53:16.159 --> 00:53:21.880
one of his adventures and misfortunes of
life. But a seventy- two-

537
00:53:22.039 --> 00:53:25.599
year- old man has been working
every year for a few years, about

538
00:53:25.599 --> 00:53:30.039
five years. He is devoting every
year five months to go all over the

539
00:53:30.119 --> 00:53:37.360
indigenous mountain range to talk, to
bring them scriptures and, therefore, to

540
00:53:37.559 --> 00:53:43.800
some goods for shopping and such.
But what and this spirit acquired in the

541
00:53:44.440 --> 00:53:47.960
challenge. The one comes from air, he' s made a phenomer.

542
00:53:49.360 --> 00:53:52.960
Yeah, yeah, yeah, and
how brave he is. Drive well the

543
00:53:52.079 --> 00:53:57.480
manco of the left arm, Drive
with the right hand. He' s

544
00:53:57.599 --> 00:54:01.480
carrying a loaded mini van to the
top. He unwraps the shepherd very well

545
00:54:01.599 --> 00:54:07.000
and with an energy and with a
spirit of the lord and leaves the car

546
00:54:07.039 --> 00:54:10.960
and I don' t know where. Then they throw themselves in for two

547
00:54:12.039 --> 00:54:16.480
hours to get to some village.
It means that this, this generation,

548
00:54:16.559 --> 00:54:22.480
has been born in the king,
yes, yes, thank God. That

549
00:54:22.639 --> 00:54:30.000
motivates you a lot from the testimonies
of people you know and others who tell

550
00:54:30.000 --> 00:54:35.280
you. Sometimes the other day we
have been talking about some people who also

551
00:54:35.360 --> 00:54:40.159
told me, two of them who
were pastors in churches and others here in

552
00:54:40.280 --> 00:54:45.440
Spain, others in Slovenia, were
telling us about some. That is,

553
00:54:45.880 --> 00:54:51.800
you say well, yes, I
do. The truth is that there is

554
00:54:51.920 --> 00:54:55.760
one thing that interests me, unless
you explain it to us, because I

555
00:54:55.880 --> 00:55:02.960
believe that the Christian evangelical people has
been prescind in caring for the marginalized,

556
00:55:04.480 --> 00:55:07.440
like few countries in the world,
in the world, even in the Christian

557
00:55:07.239 --> 00:55:15.239
world, Except for this man who
made Niki Cruz, the David Wilkerson,

558
00:55:15.280 --> 00:55:19.280
who made the centers, those who
came, even were one of them in

559
00:55:19.360 --> 00:55:25.719
Spain, in Burgos many years ago. But apart from that, well,

560
00:55:25.800 --> 00:55:32.679
Christian centers as a challenge and so
many others in Spain. This is,

561
00:55:34.360 --> 00:55:39.079
I think, a precedent, because
there are communities like this in some parts

562
00:55:39.159 --> 00:55:45.000
of the world. But the standard- bearers were you because I had not

563
00:55:45.119 --> 00:55:50.400
informed myself, there was practically nothing, or almost nothing. No. No.

564
00:55:50.840 --> 00:55:55.320
The truth is that, because there
too you see a little the grace

565
00:55:55.440 --> 00:56:06.840
of God people who at first acted
as founders or is true. What it

566
00:56:06.960 --> 00:56:12.400
says is that I' ve traveled
a lot and you don' t go

567
00:56:12.519 --> 00:56:16.639
to many countries where there are no
such answers. I remember a while ago

568
00:56:16.760 --> 00:56:22.639
that I was called by the consul
of the United States here, from Barcelona,

569
00:56:22.960 --> 00:56:27.840
and that I wanted to come visit, but I don' t explain

570
00:56:27.840 --> 00:56:31.440
myself or what. Well, there
they showed up with the official cars and

571
00:56:31.559 --> 00:56:37.320
I came to clean everything up so
they' ll get a good picture.

572
00:56:37.960 --> 00:56:42.880
And she was just saying no.
Really, it doesn' t make me.

573
00:56:43.039 --> 00:56:45.519
If you want, I look at
it, but it' s not

574
00:56:45.599 --> 00:56:46.079
like I don' t want to
see anything. I want to talk.

575
00:56:46.280 --> 00:56:53.480
I want to ask you why they
were seeing that, there, in the

576
00:56:54.119 --> 00:57:00.880
United States, the money they invested
in Christian works as having a much greater

577
00:57:01.199 --> 00:57:07.679
profitability than in the rest of the
programs, and then I wanted to know

578
00:57:07.679 --> 00:57:12.559
our experience, because, well,
they saw that Spain had been, for

579
00:57:12.679 --> 00:57:16.920
example, in the drug issue,
an exceptional case in the world. They

580
00:57:17.039 --> 00:57:24.079
have embassies and they had as some
kind of government mandate to investigate and they

581
00:57:24.199 --> 00:57:29.960
say we don' t see that
here you are, there are other centers.

582
00:57:30.159 --> 00:57:37.599
They also spoke to the army of
salvation which, for some reason,

583
00:57:37.719 --> 00:57:42.280
they referred to us and that was
what they wanted to know. Why don

584
00:57:42.480 --> 00:57:45.360
' t I just say I can' t say very well. I know

585
00:57:45.800 --> 00:57:52.880
what happened and I know it was
probably also a let' s call it,

586
00:57:53.280 --> 00:58:00.519
a little revival that there were people
converted in those years because of all

587
00:58:00.519 --> 00:58:02.039
these situations. But yes, it' s true. Yes, it is

588
00:58:02.159 --> 00:58:07.760
true that what happened in Spain we
did not find anywhere, that is,

589
00:58:07.920 --> 00:58:12.960
in Europe. There wasn' t
a country I had. Sometimes it was,

590
00:58:13.039 --> 00:58:17.039
for example, you found yourself in
England that Bethel, which has also

591
00:58:17.079 --> 00:58:22.679
happened here in Spain. They had
a very powerful program there, or you

592
00:58:22.760 --> 00:58:28.760
found that Remar had a program,
but it was the Spanish centers, especially

593
00:58:28.760 --> 00:58:35.280
Remar, Bethel and Challenge, that
were working in the countries with a pretty

594
00:58:35.400 --> 00:58:43.119
good implantation amazing And well, I
don' t know how to tell you

595
00:58:43.119 --> 00:58:47.599
the reason. I think God was
involved in that. Well, I'

596
00:58:47.679 --> 00:58:52.880
ve watched the time and I'
ve been following you all and giving it

597
00:58:52.880 --> 00:58:58.760
to you. Thank God, thank
God so much for your work. Really

598
00:58:58.840 --> 00:59:05.079
once and many times. And yes, but it is something to notice that

599
00:59:05.559 --> 00:59:09.800
we evangelicals have had that of not
putting in value ours. We have done

600
00:59:09.880 --> 00:59:15.440
what we had to do and because
it makes us of the heart, of

601
00:59:15.519 --> 00:59:19.760
a redeemed heart. But I realized
as a communicator, even with the ten

602
00:59:19.840 --> 00:59:22.920
of life, we must raise to
the status of important what we do so

603
00:59:22.000 --> 00:59:27.760
that the world knows what is happening
with the evangelicals. They are not a

604
00:59:27.840 --> 00:59:32.159
religious cuultic minority of fanatics who are
locked in their places, but there is

605
00:59:32.239 --> 00:59:37.920
something else, there is something deeper. And in recent years, yes,

606
00:59:37.239 --> 00:59:44.199
the public authorities are man. We
subtract a lot of work and a lot

607
00:59:44.280 --> 00:59:46.119
of money from them that they don' t have to invest in this case.

608
00:59:46.800 --> 00:59:51.320
But then, in Spain, I
remember working in Ondacero for a few

609
00:59:51.960 --> 00:59:58.519
years and I remember good already before
it was born driven by the journalist so

610
00:59:58.519 --> 01:00:01.559
famous Luis del Olmo, The project
man go that the Catholic Church also the

611
01:00:01.679 --> 01:00:05.360
godfather or not and such and I
think it is the only project better known.

612
01:00:05.480 --> 01:00:07.639
Maybe there' s time. There
are hypocrat centers, which are payment

613
01:00:07.719 --> 01:00:13.079
centers and a lot of money.
Not if you want to go and treat

614
01:00:13.119 --> 01:00:17.480
yourself an addiction, but and good
and do a good job, but you

615
01:00:17.480 --> 01:00:23.360
have to pay, you have to
pay and I mean enough then. But

616
01:00:23.400 --> 01:00:28.719
the man project is another one that
was born and so was born, but

617
01:00:28.840 --> 01:00:34.679
that there was nothing and continues to
see outside the evangelical networks. There'

618
01:00:34.760 --> 01:00:37.920
s not much, either. No. The other thing I have to say

619
01:00:37.960 --> 01:00:40.800
is it' s still like this. Keep it up, if you do

620
01:00:40.800 --> 01:00:45.760
or something like that when we go
around, it' s not like you

621
01:00:45.760 --> 01:00:51.639
' ve started seeing no, there
hasn' t been any conato sometimes wanting

622
01:00:52.159 --> 01:00:54.400
to do something and so on and
it' s gone down not for anything.

623
01:00:54.719 --> 01:01:00.320
I mean, this doesn' t
mean we have a secret. I

624
01:01:00.440 --> 01:01:04.000
attribute it to the grace of God, no doubt, but it is the

625
01:01:04.000 --> 01:01:07.159
reality. That' s right.
I watch it, I watch it,

626
01:01:07.920 --> 01:01:09.880
I say it as an observer.
I' m a journalist too and I

627
01:01:09.960 --> 01:01:15.000
look at all the data here gives
for good or even for bad, to

628
01:01:15.079 --> 01:01:22.880
know what goes on. I would
be very interested if our listeners Joseph could

629
01:01:22.960 --> 01:01:29.239
hear two things. One how can
people who have various family problems who are

630
01:01:29.280 --> 01:01:34.199
listening to us how they can come
into contact with challenge. And the second

631
01:01:34.360 --> 01:01:38.960
thing is how we can collaborate with
the challenge of more of the centers that

632
01:01:39.039 --> 01:01:45.719
you have of places, that you
sell furniture and all that kind of traces,

633
01:01:45.440 --> 01:01:50.280
and all that good, but everything
is little, because it takes a

634
01:01:50.360 --> 01:01:52.960
lot of money for the maintenance of
everything that you carry in dance. And

635
01:01:52.079 --> 01:01:58.280
what better than being able to make
generous donations to centers as a challenge from

636
01:01:58.400 --> 01:02:02.840
many who say listen I want to
do it regularly, or I want to

637
01:02:02.920 --> 01:02:07.960
do it sporadically or spontaneously, or
I want to leave part of my heritage

638
01:02:08.079 --> 01:02:13.519
legacy for a credibility trajectory organization as
a challenge. The first thing how people

639
01:02:13.639 --> 01:02:19.599
can say I want to need help, parents, friends, brothers, well,

640
01:02:19.760 --> 01:02:25.280
I can provide a phone. Yeah, that' s the main route.

641
01:02:25.840 --> 01:02:31.440
We try, as far as possible, to have a personal interview by

642
01:02:31.559 --> 01:02:37.920
explaining a little how we work.
But on a general level, that is,

643
01:02:37.280 --> 01:02:45.000
if you need help, the income
is immediate, the income is free

644
01:02:45.760 --> 01:02:51.559
and during your stay here you do
not have to pay absolutely nothing, and

645
01:02:51.639 --> 01:02:57.599
you can always see we advise that
this problem is something that sometimes it is

646
01:02:57.719 --> 01:03:01.400
not a matter of two days,
that by hands a year or year,

647
01:03:01.480 --> 01:03:06.679
and something would be convenient. There
are people who don' t, but

648
01:03:06.800 --> 01:03:10.440
well, there' s no problem. And well, if I may and

649
01:03:10.599 --> 01:03:15.800
of course not, I' m
going to provide a phone and it would

650
01:03:17.400 --> 01:03:22.199
be interesting, we' re talking
to José Manuel, the National President of

651
01:03:22.199 --> 01:03:27.920
Challenge in Spain. And then,
well, look at what more interesting personal

652
01:03:28.000 --> 01:03:35.360
and also collective testimony of the organization
is here in Barcelona the person responsible for

653
01:03:35.440 --> 01:03:40.079
the admissions is called Marcos and the
phone number is six, seven, seven,

654
01:03:40.559 --> 01:03:46.880
one, nine, two, seven, five two? I repeat,

655
01:03:47.239 --> 01:03:52.880
Mark' s name is responsible and
the phone is six, seven, seven,

656
01:03:53.920 --> 01:04:00.079
one, nine, two, seven, five two. You' ll

657
01:04:00.719 --> 01:04:05.719
be, then we' ll put
it on top of the story we'

658
01:04:05.719 --> 01:04:09.480
ll publish so people can have it. President, and there is also a

659
01:04:09.599 --> 01:04:15.039
page that you have yes, yes
on the Internet, in the rest of

660
01:04:15.239 --> 01:04:19.559
the challenge association and here come the
phones and some information about who we are

661
01:04:19.679 --> 01:04:26.480
and what we do. And the
second issue is a complicated one. Yes,

662
01:04:26.639 --> 01:04:32.119
but the issue of donating and giving
donations is, on the one hand,

663
01:04:32.400 --> 01:04:40.840
the truth is that the purpose is
for them to know us. The

664
01:04:40.920 --> 01:04:45.519
main wish is that people could know
us, that there might be the work

665
01:04:45.639 --> 01:04:57.320
you do in general, which you
develop all these kinds of donations from people.

666
01:04:57.440 --> 01:05:00.360
When you remove a piece of furniture
or whatever is more or less in

667
01:05:01.280 --> 01:05:05.119
good condition, they don' t
ask for it again, but good that

668
01:05:05.199 --> 01:05:11.119
you don' t have to go
to the landfill to throw it away,

669
01:05:11.239 --> 01:05:16.039
because that really helps us a lot. There are also companies that make donations.

670
01:05:16.960 --> 01:05:25.599
Well you could name here several large
supermarkets that collaborate with food others with

671
01:05:25.880 --> 01:05:30.480
materials and with things that sometimes for
them is a problem or have a surplus

672
01:05:30.800 --> 01:05:35.039
or have an out of stock some
things and call us and hear us all

673
01:05:35.239 --> 01:05:42.519
that. The issue of money,
of course, so people can, but

674
01:05:42.679 --> 01:05:50.239
I really would prefer that they do
it after they meet us. If they

675
01:05:50.320 --> 01:05:56.320
wanted to do something, to come, to see, to see the project,

676
01:05:56.719 --> 01:06:00.880
to see what we do on the
phones, which they have on the

677
01:06:00.880 --> 01:06:04.880
website. Well, if anyone has
any, I don' t know any

678
01:06:05.559 --> 01:06:12.280
interest in that, because we can
gladly explain to him, teach him to

679
01:06:12.400 --> 01:06:16.960
see it with his eyes and then
decide whether he wants to do something or

680
01:06:17.320 --> 01:06:18.559
not, because if he doesn'
t, it seems a little cold to

681
01:06:18.559 --> 01:06:21.360
me. I just don' t
know. I don' t think it

682
01:06:21.360 --> 01:06:26.079
' s ours. He seems very
honest. It' s that attitude that

683
01:06:26.199 --> 01:06:29.280
the other one is, too.
No, no, yes, but I

684
01:06:29.639 --> 01:06:34.760
find it extraordinarily honest for it to
give transparency, for people to see and

685
01:06:34.800 --> 01:06:41.039
see what is ben and b not. That seems to me to be the

686
01:06:41.039 --> 01:06:46.760
point. He does not hear,
for he does have the page of challenge,

687
01:06:47.159 --> 01:06:49.719
association in challenge. I don'
t know. This is pointr.

688
01:06:50.000 --> 01:06:57.079
I don' t remember point com
good gets into it will easily drift them

689
01:06:57.159 --> 01:07:00.840
and there are all the sections.
They see all kinds of things, jobs

690
01:07:00.920 --> 01:07:03.960
that we make come to meet you
and where this is so good. And

691
01:07:04.119 --> 01:07:09.559
but there are people who are also
debating where I' m going to leave

692
01:07:09.719 --> 01:07:12.599
my estate or not. You don' t have anyone or you don'

693
01:07:12.599 --> 01:07:16.440
t trust each other. The truth
is that that' s one hasn'

694
01:07:16.559 --> 01:07:20.199
t happened to us many times.
A woman called me a long time ago

695
01:07:20.880 --> 01:07:28.320
and told me that of course she
saw that, for example, Caritas and

696
01:07:28.599 --> 01:07:36.440
all the program that the Catholic Church
has takes almost ninety- one percent of

697
01:07:36.599 --> 01:07:45.360
all that heritage. Moreover, we
knew him because there was a law firm

698
01:07:45.400 --> 01:07:53.199
that collected those donations to put them
in the name of the Catholic Church Association.

699
01:07:54.679 --> 01:08:00.480
Then they went from the things inside, took away the value and already

700
01:08:00.559 --> 01:08:06.800
what was left they called us.
It was funny, but good. That

701
01:08:06.840 --> 01:08:11.960
' s where we saw it,
because they had a movement of things.

702
01:08:12.800 --> 01:08:15.960
Okay. That' s happened to
us in our history twice, yes,

703
01:08:16.079 --> 01:08:23.439
notice, twice, well, but
it' s also true that, like

704
01:08:23.439 --> 01:08:29.560
us, we haven' t had, not for nothing, but a kind

705
01:08:29.680 --> 01:08:32.840
of willingness to sell ourselves, to
have a lot of marketing, a lot

706
01:08:32.840 --> 01:08:34.880
of stuff. We haven' t
had it. Erupted, I' ve

707
01:08:34.880 --> 01:08:39.960
noticed, done, well, but
look. There' s what they call

708
01:08:40.079 --> 01:08:45.399
solidary testing. Now for people you
want to do. And so, if

709
01:08:45.560 --> 01:08:50.119
someone wants to do something like this, and not necessarily people and but individuals

710
01:08:50.199 --> 01:08:56.199
who in life want to do,
what better cause than this, that helps

711
01:08:56.279 --> 01:09:02.560
restore the lives of so many lives
people, men, women, young people

712
01:09:02.680 --> 01:09:10.119
and people of all kinds, also
contributing to such solidarity action, as much

713
01:09:10.279 --> 01:09:15.159
to the tourist and as Christian as
it is to help the one who is

714
01:09:15.159 --> 01:09:18.359
in this situation. Another point is
that with this one we are already concluding.

715
01:09:18.840 --> 01:09:25.319
José Manuel you are a pastor at
the same time of the center,

716
01:09:25.800 --> 01:09:29.920
which is a Christian community. Challenge
to hope, not to see we have,

717
01:09:30.560 --> 01:09:42.439
well, we started backwards. The
churches usually start a social activity.

718
01:09:43.760 --> 01:09:49.720
Yes, we were a social activity
that we set up a church. So,

719
01:09:50.199 --> 01:09:55.680
well, we did see, because
we, in a way, are

720
01:09:55.840 --> 01:09:59.960
a church. We function like a
church. Not all the kids who come

721
01:10:00.119 --> 01:10:03.760
in the center belong to the church
because they don' t have the will,

722
01:10:05.399 --> 01:10:10.239
because they don' t want their
religions. And a lot of people

723
01:10:10.439 --> 01:10:14.760
who aren' t in the center, they do like to come to meetings.

724
01:10:15.119 --> 01:10:20.119
So, well, we understood that
at the same time that it works

725
01:10:20.279 --> 01:10:26.199
what social work is, because to
set up a church with all that means.

726
01:10:27.479 --> 01:10:32.800
And then, we started with the
name Church to the lighthouse, but

727
01:10:32.920 --> 01:10:40.000
we had a difficulty abroad and also
a confusion with the subject of Jehovah’

728
01:10:40.359 --> 01:10:45.600
s Witnesses because of the publication they
make. Then, in the end,

729
01:10:46.359 --> 01:10:51.359
we decided to call it the same
Biblical Church. I challenge hope. And

730
01:10:51.520 --> 01:10:58.680
here we are in the polygon of
the hardware store in Moncada never and well,

731
01:10:59.600 --> 01:11:05.880
because we work as a Church,
with all its particularities. Of course,

732
01:11:06.600 --> 01:11:11.840
you have a life in community,
really in addition to a Christian community,

733
01:11:12.279 --> 01:11:15.760
which has a culctic part, but
then you function in everyday life,

734
01:11:16.560 --> 01:11:20.239
because like but there are people who
have nothing to do with what comes,

735
01:11:20.279 --> 01:11:25.520
what comes with communion, what to
do with a past of drugs, that

736
01:11:25.520 --> 01:11:29.359
comes to the Church. Sure,
sure, of course, if I do

737
01:11:29.479 --> 01:11:35.640
have acquaintances like that it has also
been a pleasure to listen to you,

738
01:11:36.560 --> 01:11:43.119
to have you here in this studio
José Manuel and the truth that I celebrate

739
01:11:43.119 --> 01:11:45.039
a lot of encouragement for everything.
And well, here you have this medium,

740
01:11:45.479 --> 01:11:50.560
the train of life waved peace or
the pau cataluña at your disposal also

741
01:11:50.640 --> 01:11:55.720
with much affection. I really am
not only pleased, but I am glad

742
01:11:55.800 --> 01:12:00.520
about the work you do, because
I value it very much. Many thanks

743
01:12:00.159 --> 01:12:05.359
have been very kind and thank you
for the opportunity you also give us to

744
01:12:05.399 --> 01:12:09.720
make it known that it is one, as I said before, of the

745
01:12:09.920 --> 01:12:14.880
important things, that people know who
we are and what we do. Nothing

746
01:12:14.960 --> 01:12:16.680
else, then, but God bless
you, your family, your work,

747
01:12:16.880 --> 01:12:45.760
and so on. Thank you very
much. Likewise, you so great you

748
01:12:47.079 --> 01:13:29.640
travel on the train of life,
wow or look at your pure air and

749
01:13:30.640 --> 01:13:50.800
baby of your water life belvizo your
blood I want you are and gualda of

750
01:13:53.680 --> 01:14:12.199
yours or that no one beats any
more what winds your blood or I want

751
01:14:12.319 --> 01:14:32.479
to be me not soul whining and
that no and apart no one full of

752
01:14:33.760 --> 01:15:00.640
I think that tur wine I see
your look with your inovive pride, lord

753
01:15:01.039 --> 01:15:09.560
sagua of I want you saw of
my soul. Remembrance of bread from me

754
01:15:09.800 --> 01:15:29.680
to me with ra my quieumbre measures, sir vor your water from you I

755
01:15:31.479 --> 01:15:45.520
want petuator of my soul durde par
sell to with your pranance I want,

756
01:15:46.279 --> 01:16:26.279
Lord lake your saguayo for your name
I want to know to give me the

757
01:16:26.560 --> 01:16:44.760
shore of your saga of manga and
to lose your veranda and to drag the

758
01:16:46.600 --> 01:17:21.720
one of ponto of love or that
you love me and you love me I

759
01:17:21.880 --> 01:17:44.199
want favor, wine the homeland with
your fragrant man your ero yields, Lord

760
01:17:45.680 --> 01:18:12.359
sagua de quiero had nua of knit, you bread your fragrance and I want

761
01:18:12.359 --> 01:18:43.920
him gua or please, or you
travel in the train of life. M

762
01:18:59.119 --> 01:19:25.479
o, ladies and gentlemen, we' re still going. This train is

763
01:19:25.560 --> 01:19:29.279
unstoppable in life. It' s
unstoppable who stops her to see who'

764
01:19:29.279 --> 01:19:32.600
s capable. Only the creator and
everything has an expiration date. Hey,

765
01:19:32.920 --> 01:19:36.439
don' t think this isn'
t gonna be ineternal, too. Ineternal,

766
01:19:36.600 --> 01:19:42.640
It will be when we are in
God' s Eternal Kingdom that this

767
01:19:42.640 --> 01:19:45.800
gives us why to speak on another
subject. Well, then, today we

768
01:19:45.920 --> 01:19:49.039
have the taste, as we announced, of having the shepherd with us and

769
01:19:50.239 --> 01:19:54.760
he is an international Bible teacher,
and not only of the Bible, but

770
01:19:54.760 --> 01:19:59.159
of books. He is a very
prolific writer, of very good books,

771
01:19:59.520 --> 01:20:06.960
very good morning, what you can
find on his own page also Osvaldo Rebolleda

772
01:20:08.920 --> 01:20:12.960
com and you will see the books. Besides, it has a peculiarity that

773
01:20:13.399 --> 01:20:16.640
is not usual. In addition,
they are free, they are good books

774
01:20:16.720 --> 01:20:20.680
with topics of great interest and free. But in addition, he is already

775
01:20:20.840 --> 01:20:25.600
traveling through Spain, through several places
and before returning to his place of origin,

776
01:20:26.680 --> 01:20:30.439
to Argentina, which has to return
already today, as he has made

777
01:20:30.479 --> 01:20:35.520
a little stop here in Barcelona with
the pleasure of having him welcome. Osvaldo,

778
01:20:36.319 --> 01:20:39.760
well, thank you very much,
Julio. It is a pleasure for

779
01:20:40.479 --> 01:20:45.960
me to be able to be sharing
this moment this beautiful medium as is the

780
01:20:45.079 --> 01:20:49.880
radio and this program of such prestige, which has its great trajectory, which

781
01:20:49.960 --> 01:20:53.840
is truly wonderful, so it is
an honor for me to be able to

782
01:20:53.840 --> 01:20:58.439
be yes. Thanks, man.
You see we are always so curious when

783
01:20:58.479 --> 01:21:02.119
we have someone like you sitting here
and you, who are very used to

784
01:21:02.159 --> 01:21:06.560
going to so many places and so
and you already have a trajectory, not

785
01:21:06.560 --> 01:21:11.520
only that supports you by your work, by your sowing that you have done,

786
01:21:12.199 --> 01:21:16.439
by your production, your ministerial performance. Osvaldo, who you are,

787
01:21:16.680 --> 01:21:19.840
where you come from and where you' re going, tell us a little

788
01:21:19.840 --> 01:21:24.640
bit about yourself. Well, I' m Argentine. I am now on

789
01:21:24.760 --> 01:21:29.199
a tour that ends just today and
I am leaving tonight again back to Argentina.

790
01:21:29.760 --> 01:21:33.159
I came to Spain on March 3. I' m usually seeing twice

791
01:21:33.239 --> 01:21:39.399
a year and good and traveling to
different places. Now I' m going

792
01:21:39.800 --> 01:21:41.720
back to Argentina and about 20 days
later I' m going to the United

793
01:21:41.720 --> 01:21:45.560
States. A month. I was
pastoring in Argentina for, like, twenty

794
01:21:45.640 --> 01:21:48.680
years with my wife and then we
gave up that hour because of the trips.

795
01:21:49.479 --> 01:21:53.279
So, well I trained in Argentina
at the Assembly of God of Argentina,

796
01:21:53.680 --> 01:21:59.680
the Association Assembly of God, and
well I have that trajectory. How

797
01:21:59.720 --> 01:22:04.079
they go ge ready first after,
like but I have always been an itinerant

798
01:22:04.079 --> 01:22:10.000
preacher then, when the process led
me to what is teaching, the journeys

799
01:22:10.159 --> 01:22:15.000
intensified much more. From the two
thousand fourteen fifteen I began to travel abroad

800
01:22:15.079 --> 01:22:18.720
continuously every year and well, that
made us deliver the work, which well

801
01:22:19.279 --> 01:22:26.560
remains under my supervision. But I' ve devoted myself completely to doing that

802
01:22:26.600 --> 01:22:32.239
other kind of work. True,
if you also have a ministry of pastoral

803
01:22:32.239 --> 01:22:39.279
accompaniment, Catholic ministry in different places, also that require your ministry. Some

804
01:22:39.359 --> 01:22:43.720
are from your own direct work,
others are associated, but it is an

805
01:22:43.840 --> 01:22:47.279
important job. Also clear well,
for me it is the most important work

806
01:22:47.319 --> 01:22:54.560
than development, to be able to
work with different churches and on a pastoral

807
01:22:54.600 --> 01:22:58.880
level, advising the pastors and helping
them in this beautiful task of the pastorate.

808
01:22:58.960 --> 01:23:01.520
No and well, there are several
churches. In Argentina I have a

809
01:23:01.560 --> 01:23:05.760
church there with which I work in
Cochea, in Barras del Medio, in

810
01:23:05.840 --> 01:23:12.319
Euken, in Sarmiento, in Fernández
Soro, in Chile, in Viña del

811
01:23:12.439 --> 01:23:15.479
Mar, in the United States,
in Los Angeles, in California and here

812
01:23:15.640 --> 01:23:19.479
in Spain also with Antonio Venta in
Orihuela, a good friend. Yes,

813
01:23:19.800 --> 01:23:26.920
yes, yes, how important pastors
that they need to be accompanied and well

814
01:23:27.039 --> 01:23:30.079
accompanied, indeed, of course they
do. A lot, a lot,

815
01:23:31.239 --> 01:23:36.520
because we assume the Ministry as a
job in which people presuppose that we are

816
01:23:36.800 --> 01:23:42.680
good at everything as if we had
no problems and we have the same problems

817
01:23:42.680 --> 01:23:45.920
as anyone else. We carry forward
the situations and circumstances of life plus the

818
01:23:46.000 --> 01:23:50.119
Communion we seek to have with God
and the things that afflict us, by

819
01:23:50.199 --> 01:23:54.840
family, by work, by everything, and the Ministry is hard, really

820
01:23:54.840 --> 01:23:58.560
hard. People, maybe from outside, think it' s the preaching we

821
01:23:59.119 --> 01:24:00.920
do at one at a worship meeting, but it doesn' t go through

822
01:24:00.960 --> 01:24:04.960
there. The spiritual burden is very
difficult to bear and good and if there

823
01:24:05.000 --> 01:24:10.760
are many pastors who are suffering this. In fact, a survey was conducted

824
01:24:10.800 --> 01:24:15.600
recently where it was found that 80
percent in Argentina, not 80 percent of

825
01:24:15.680 --> 01:24:23.399
pastors were experiencing health problems. And
there' s no point in not serving

826
01:24:23.840 --> 01:24:28.439
God this we can have and most
of the problems this has been ulcer,

827
01:24:28.800 --> 01:24:36.039
diabetes, blood pressure, this stress
heart condition. Of course everything has linked

828
01:24:36.479 --> 01:24:41.359
to the nerves, the stress of
the Ministry, so this good evidence that

829
01:24:41.399 --> 01:24:47.560
it takes a lot of work there
and how important it is and if perhaps

830
01:24:47.800 --> 01:24:54.319
there you can help me for our
listeners that many, because they are friends,

831
01:24:55.840 --> 01:25:00.279
do not have the confessionality, have
no confessionality, but feel close to

832
01:25:00.319 --> 01:25:06.960
the Christian faith. Others are from
other denominations and others, many are evangelicals,

833
01:25:08.800 --> 01:25:15.159
also in Spain, who are listening
to us both members as pastors or

834
01:25:15.159 --> 01:25:20.479
pastors. What an important need.
I have always said that, in my

835
01:25:20.600 --> 01:25:27.119
opinion, uh, and I have
a Ministry similar to yours on the part

836
01:25:27.279 --> 01:25:30.880
of not so much of a writer, but the part of support for pastors

837
01:25:30.880 --> 01:25:35.239
and logistics. I have come to
discover that shepherds are the most important people

838
01:25:35.319 --> 01:25:41.479
on earth. What I' m
telling you is very big. Loquent is

839
01:25:41.600 --> 01:25:46.199
the people, because how important it
is that pastors do not feel ministerial.

840
01:25:48.079 --> 01:25:55.119
They need support from someone who'
s in equals with them. People can

841
01:25:55.239 --> 01:25:59.520
' t tell a lot of things, some can, but others can'

842
01:26:00.319 --> 01:26:04.199
t, and then they feel like
they have a good friend, plus an

843
01:26:04.199 --> 01:26:10.159
advisor, an instructor, a mentor, a coach. Not today I did

844
01:26:10.319 --> 01:26:15.079
what I think coaching was invented by
the shepherds without knowing it not really the

845
01:26:15.319 --> 01:26:24.039
good shepherds, who are many and
shepherds. So what a great need for

846
01:26:24.119 --> 01:26:31.880
how to solve the ministerial orphanhood.
There are many there is that there is

847
01:26:32.119 --> 01:26:39.840
sincerely yes and well, the development
of different institutions or denominations has a job

848
01:26:39.920 --> 01:26:45.439
of administrative follow- up if you
want, but in many cases you lack

849
01:26:45.520 --> 01:26:49.880
that, not that bond of paternal
that must exist to be administered, because

850
01:26:50.000 --> 01:26:55.800
we need all pastors, we need
to be shepherded. We also have to

851
01:26:55.880 --> 01:27:01.279
cope with our family and the intimate
help that is needed to cope with the

852
01:27:01.279 --> 01:27:06.720
Ministry. That, when that bond
is not close, is not really fulfilled

853
01:27:06.840 --> 01:27:12.680
with the effective with what is needed, because yes, institutional authorities, there

854
01:27:12.680 --> 01:27:15.119
will always be, but I call
it sometimes that you suffer from the syndrome

855
01:27:15.279 --> 01:27:19.039
of the older brother truth, that
it will help you whenever you have a

856
01:27:19.159 --> 01:27:24.800
need, but that is not the
same as the one that may have a

857
01:27:24.880 --> 01:27:30.800
more paternal look about the situation.
An aid is intimately interested and good hearted.

858
01:27:30.680 --> 01:27:35.800
So that is necessary, and much
is needed, and the shepherds in

859
01:27:35.920 --> 01:27:42.359
general are greatly appreciated. Therefore,
how important is accompaniment and training, because

860
01:27:43.359 --> 01:27:46.920
I know that your Ministry is very
formative, you are a person who forms

861
01:27:46.960 --> 01:27:58.279
leadership and quality training, which is
also very important. There are no pastors

862
01:27:58.319 --> 01:28:01.119
who are also quite lost what they
can, what they know or what they

863
01:28:01.199 --> 01:28:09.159
imagine. But they also need advice
in what is Bible instruction, in ministerial

864
01:28:09.239 --> 01:28:13.279
formation. Of course I don'
t talk about those who can' t

865
01:28:14.279 --> 01:28:16.640
go to the seminars in those places, but who are making themselves on the

866
01:28:16.640 --> 01:28:21.840
go, but who would need someone
like yours, to instruct them to teach

867
01:28:21.960 --> 01:28:28.279
them, to accompany them and also
to advise them. Until, well,

868
01:28:28.720 --> 01:28:34.239
every pastor is taking more autonomy.
That is why I was told by this

869
01:28:34.239 --> 01:28:36.840
slogan that some, when they have
heard it from me, have said hey

870
01:28:36.920 --> 01:28:41.520
it is not a bit exaggerated that
pastors are the most important people on earth.

871
01:28:41.560 --> 01:28:46.359
Having observed more than forty years as
a shepherd, I say, I

872
01:28:46.479 --> 01:28:51.640
do not exaggerate, I am also
a pastor with an apostolic ministry too,

873
01:28:53.119 --> 01:29:00.000
but I say to him but they
are really the most important people on earth

874
01:29:00.000 --> 01:29:02.760
for many reasons. They are the
ones who mediate in many human conflicts,

875
01:29:02.920 --> 01:29:05.520
they are the ones who instruct,
they are the ones who teach, they

876
01:29:06.000 --> 01:29:10.439
are the ones who win the sea, they are the ones who are self

877
01:29:10.439 --> 01:29:11.720
- denial, they are the ones
who are good. The list is long,

878
01:29:11.800 --> 01:29:15.600
true, clear and apart, we
already do a job that has to

879
01:29:15.640 --> 01:29:18.039
do with eternity. Then we become
transcient, true, and then work with

880
01:29:18.079 --> 01:29:24.800
the eternal. That is exactly not
if it has that transcendence which is everything

881
01:29:24.840 --> 01:29:29.680
else it does not have. And
of course, the formation we have is

882
01:29:29.800 --> 01:29:35.840
also fundamental because we all, somehow
had our conversion at the time, came

883
01:29:35.920 --> 01:29:43.399
to a certain place and we had
a no imprint and suddenly we were formed

884
01:29:43.600 --> 01:29:46.840
with a theological line, with a
line. In some cases there are many

885
01:29:46.960 --> 01:29:55.000
factors that good are sent to the
Ministry too soon without preparation, but they

886
01:29:55.039 --> 01:29:59.079
may have a call, but suddenly
they do not yet have the necessary training

887
01:29:59.159 --> 01:30:02.319
to be able to do so.
And others that come from a formation that

888
01:30:02.680 --> 01:30:06.119
may not be the best too and
that also happens. That' s why

889
01:30:06.159 --> 01:30:11.920
we have so many divergences within the
Church that, well, we shouldn'

890
01:30:12.680 --> 01:30:17.079
t have, but then working together
and helping us think and find are correct

891
01:30:17.079 --> 01:30:20.399
guidelines. I think that' s
very important. We all need that.

892
01:30:23.119 --> 01:30:29.079
How do you see Osvaldo that you
for your books, which are good,

893
01:30:29.680 --> 01:30:35.319
can already say it on the page
just Osvaldo Rebolera, as there you can

894
01:30:35.439 --> 01:30:40.840
find on the page of the pastor
himself. I' m here. We

895
01:30:41.479 --> 01:30:45.840
have the book page, which is
very interesting. You the naked church,

896
01:30:45.399 --> 01:30:50.680
the search for diogenes, the need, the needs of the Kingdom, the

897
01:30:50.760 --> 01:30:57.199
dynamic passive Kingdom rebellion, the titles
are very interesting. I have heard some

898
01:30:57.239 --> 01:31:04.800
of your preaching and glimpsed some of
them and divine fruits for redemption spiritual resilience.

899
01:31:04.880 --> 01:31:09.600
That word that is so fashionable the
great warning, the Kingdom diet the

900
01:31:09.720 --> 01:31:15.600
love of many will cool down.
I guess since recent times lions at the

901
01:31:15.680 --> 01:31:24.079
zoo, times of transition, breaking
authorized boundaries, double life relining it How

902
01:31:24.119 --> 01:31:28.960
many good books. There are about
one hundred and forty on the wow pages.

903
01:31:29.319 --> 01:31:30.479
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, to read the titles. She

904
01:31:30.600 --> 01:31:34.960
' s a lot and besides,
writing well, that' s the same

905
01:31:35.039 --> 01:31:39.399
good yes, I don' t
see. I consider myself more than anything

906
01:31:39.560 --> 01:31:45.520
a teacher who writes and not a
writer, because I understand that for him

907
01:31:45.600 --> 01:31:49.800
who has the gift of writing in
his formation, who writes exquisitely, well,

908
01:31:50.279 --> 01:31:57.199
maybe it will not be so many
books. There, in Argentina we

909
01:31:57.239 --> 01:32:03.319
have ernesto sabato, the author of
the tunnel, he who called the incendiary

910
01:32:03.520 --> 01:32:09.479
because he to his writings, few
survived the fire because it was burning.

911
01:32:09.560 --> 01:32:13.760
He said he' s a good
writer. I was going to write two

912
01:32:13.880 --> 01:32:17.399
or three books, at most in
life that could transcend it. But he

913
01:32:17.479 --> 01:32:21.439
was a writer and wrote literature.
It' s not my case. I

914
01:32:21.520 --> 01:32:26.640
' m a writing teacher. So, for me, books are one more

915
01:32:26.760 --> 01:32:30.840
way to be able to deliver the
teachings I have, which many of them

916
01:32:30.920 --> 01:32:33.640
started in the school module. I
went to the school of spiritual government in

917
01:32:33.680 --> 01:32:41.560
Argentina a few years ago and I
was making modules and giving messages by series,

918
01:32:41.840 --> 01:32:45.560
preaching by series. Then from the
series they were from the wealth of

919
01:32:45.680 --> 01:32:49.840
the series came out some books from
the modules of the school came out other

920
01:32:49.920 --> 01:32:55.359
books, but for me it is
one more way to be able to give

921
01:32:55.359 --> 01:32:58.520
what I have received. By grace
and since books have a large part of

922
01:32:58.640 --> 01:33:04.000
biblical backing and verses, and all
that good, is what I do,

923
01:33:04.239 --> 01:33:13.520
which I consider to be written teachings
and good is not judged by writing itself

924
01:33:13.800 --> 01:33:17.600
or the literary form, but by
the content that I intend to be useful

925
01:33:17.680 --> 01:33:26.520
to the Church. But you'
re good at writing, you explain,

926
01:33:29.159 --> 01:33:33.760
goods you write well, that is, that the construction of books is very

927
01:33:34.159 --> 01:33:40.920
very understandable and very good for a
reader. Well, there are many saved,

928
01:33:41.000 --> 01:33:45.000
by his grace, the measures of
the Kingdom. The glory of the

929
01:33:45.119 --> 01:33:48.079
final persecution, which hardly anyone speaks
of, the scope of the Angel Covenant

930
01:33:48.239 --> 01:33:56.039
and among us the Church is of
the Lord the Tribunal of Christ, the

931
01:33:56.159 --> 01:33:59.880
language of the Kingdom, the spiritual
geography, the power of management, the

932
01:34:00.760 --> 01:34:03.760
order according to God. Well,
there are so many. There are people

933
01:34:03.920 --> 01:34:09.079
who when you see your page to
the page of Osvaldo Rebolera, point with

934
01:34:09.239 --> 01:34:13.600
books, Barra books, there will
be that any topic that interests you of

935
01:34:13.720 --> 01:34:16.960
Christian life will find it here.
Certainly, Yes, there are many,

936
01:34:17.880 --> 01:34:24.600
many different subjects and all the spiritual
discouragement another of the books also, et

937
01:34:24.600 --> 01:34:30.079
cetera, et cetera. How do
you see the Church in your travels,

938
01:34:30.840 --> 01:34:34.279
what you see, what you hear, what you perceive so much in Argentina,

939
01:34:34.640 --> 01:34:40.399
our beloved Argentina, and the Church
there I have so many pastor friends

940
01:34:41.119 --> 01:34:45.119
who are so entangled. Now we
will have Mariano be equal with us to

941
01:34:45.199 --> 01:34:47.600
his father Jorge, it looks the
same as it has been and good,

942
01:34:48.000 --> 01:34:53.319
and so many others, John Paul, Hongarray and good already Brother Son and

943
01:34:53.520 --> 01:34:58.960
all we know are many different.
When I' m around, I also

944
01:34:59.000 --> 01:35:01.600
like to be with several of them, at least for a little bit more

945
01:35:02.199 --> 01:35:08.239
three weeks or a month and you
can' t be with as many as

946
01:35:08.399 --> 01:35:13.800
you want. But Argentina is very
much in our heart. But in general

947
01:35:13.880 --> 01:35:17.600
Argentina, Latin America, the United
States, I have a feeling that in

948
01:35:17.640 --> 01:35:24.960
the United States the Church is going
through a crisis in general strong and much

949
01:35:25.039 --> 01:35:29.880
more since the pandemic here, also
for political reasons, has polluted the life

950
01:35:29.960 --> 01:35:38.680
of the Church a lot and in
other parts of the world, Africa Oceania,

951
01:35:39.600 --> 01:35:43.479
in the countries also Russia and the
countries of the East. What a

952
01:35:43.479 --> 01:35:48.760
perception, what a cacti, how
you perceive the Church in general encompassing powers.

953
01:35:50.279 --> 01:35:56.960
Just when you do an apostolic work, it' s like you have

954
01:35:57.359 --> 01:36:00.039
a more global vision. That'
s the idea. The pastor has a

955
01:36:00.159 --> 01:36:06.359
local creational vision and apostolic work causes
one to put on the spiritual thermometer.

956
01:36:06.439 --> 01:36:10.079
Let' s say it in a
more global way. Anyway, always the

957
01:36:10.159 --> 01:36:13.800
panorama one can have is limited within
the realms one moves, the things one

958
01:36:13.800 --> 01:36:18.800
knows. But well, the spiritual
world is also territorial. There is one

959
01:36:18.800 --> 01:36:24.359
of the books called spiritual geography and
that generates that, while in some places

960
01:36:24.439 --> 01:36:28.560
they are going through a good process, on other sides not so much.

961
01:36:28.640 --> 01:36:35.119
No yes, I believe that the
Church would have to be one step further

962
01:36:35.239 --> 01:36:42.159
in terms of the advancement of society, a relative advance. I am not

963
01:36:42.239 --> 01:36:46.520
talking about a cultural change in the
world and culture, by the way,

964
01:36:46.640 --> 01:36:51.920
it is very strong in darkness,
because the capacity of science has grown,

965
01:36:53.119 --> 01:36:56.840
but morale has not grown. Morale
has grown and then I think it'

966
01:36:57.359 --> 01:37:00.640
s something like what you put forward
there in the chapter. It is that

967
01:37:00.800 --> 01:37:04.119
darkness covered the earth and darkness over
the nations, and I believe we are

968
01:37:04.199 --> 01:37:10.920
seeing it more than ever. In
fact, those of us who are more

969
01:37:11.279 --> 01:37:15.359
than fifty years old know that we
live as in two different lives. We

970
01:37:15.520 --> 01:37:21.319
had a stage of a growth of
an absolutely different society culturally, speaking of

971
01:37:21.760 --> 01:37:29.600
the one we live in today and
we had that transition where there were no

972
01:37:29.680 --> 01:37:32.640
means and technology that exist today.
We didn' t have cell phones like

973
01:37:33.119 --> 01:37:35.039
mobile phones, we didn' t
have this technology that overcame us. And

974
01:37:35.119 --> 01:37:39.640
we' re talking about a generation. That is, if you go back,

975
01:37:39.960 --> 01:37:44.359
it can take thousands of years,
almost with the same advance people who

976
01:37:44.479 --> 01:37:49.399
were born with vehicles in blood and
so died. In the same way,

977
01:37:49.880 --> 01:37:57.680
society hardly changed. We are experiencing
an impressive technological leap. Science grew suddenly

978
01:37:57.800 --> 01:38:00.800
and, as it grew suddenly,
generated many different things and, unfortunately and

979
01:38:00.920 --> 01:38:08.520
sadly, not knowing how to take
on that transition has generated many bad things,

980
01:38:08.600 --> 01:38:13.640
because globalization is not bad in itself, if globalism the globalist agenda,

981
01:38:14.000 --> 01:38:17.960
if you want. But globalization is
not bad if you know how to use

982
01:38:18.000 --> 01:38:23.359
what I think is that you didn' t know how to use it in

983
01:38:23.479 --> 01:38:26.479
society and that has caused a lot
of bad. A cloak of darkness came

984
01:38:26.640 --> 01:38:30.039
upon the world very suddenly and the
Church does not end up absorbing that.

985
01:38:30.760 --> 01:38:39.439
When our approach is there, our
worship work, our activities and everything we

986
01:38:40.039 --> 01:38:45.199
hardly look at what is happening globally. So if we have a verticalist look

987
01:38:45.279 --> 01:38:48.920
at God in our communion, our
life with God and what is the worship

988
01:38:49.000 --> 01:38:54.039
meetings and our life, our life, our problems, our family, our

989
01:38:54.199 --> 01:38:59.279
situations, then we hardly see what
is happening on a global level and what

990
01:38:59.359 --> 01:39:02.439
is happening after it is happening in
our cities and how we are going to

991
01:39:02.640 --> 01:39:06.760
face things that we must face and
how we are penetrating or not the system

992
01:39:06.880 --> 01:39:11.840
in which we live. One of
the books is just called and I was

993
01:39:11.920 --> 01:39:16.239
giving it a little while ago the
church in the market, because the church

994
01:39:16.359 --> 01:39:21.039
is a design to penetrate the system. The idea of bringing people to the

995
01:39:21.119 --> 01:39:26.479
Church is fine. It is logical
that people will come, join in what

996
01:39:26.960 --> 01:39:30.079
it represents or what the life of
the body of Christ means. But if

997
01:39:30.239 --> 01:39:34.279
the Church is not able to go
out and show herself as she should,

998
01:39:35.840 --> 01:39:40.880
that is where I think we are
missing. I think we' re,

999
01:39:41.039 --> 01:39:44.680
in fact, missing the first book, that one that was the last I

1000
01:39:44.680 --> 01:39:48.760
ever did. The naked church is
an almost provocative title to draw attention to.

1001
01:39:49.720 --> 01:39:55.359
I would be unable to pretend such
a thing, but I do speak

1002
01:39:55.640 --> 01:40:00.520
of the fact that he will come
by a glorious church, a Church clothed

1003
01:40:00.600 --> 01:40:01.760
with it fine linen, as Maya
says, of the spiritual meaning it has.

1004
01:40:02.119 --> 01:40:05.640
And I believe that clothing is the
one that covers the body and,

1005
01:40:05.960 --> 01:40:10.600
according to the garments, it is
what people have seen and the Church,

1006
01:40:11.359 --> 01:40:16.119
throughout history, has lived different clothes
not and I think those clothes have not

1007
01:40:16.199 --> 01:40:23.600
shown us very well. The first
three centuries of the Church were shown in

1008
01:40:23.720 --> 01:40:27.840
quite Jewish clothing because of the influence
and what they knew about the old Covenant,

1009
01:40:28.279 --> 01:40:33.600
and then came the entire formation of
Roman Catholicism. Then, one thousand

1010
01:40:33.680 --> 01:40:40.159
two hundred years, the clothes were
different and then comes the reform, which

1011
01:40:40.319 --> 01:40:45.000
was also fundamental, the great reform. But I believe that the Church is

1012
01:40:45.000 --> 01:40:49.439
still in a process of reform.
It must continue to reform the word reform

1013
01:40:49.479 --> 01:40:54.359
is the word diorsosis in Greek,
but it has to do with returning to

1014
01:40:54.439 --> 01:41:00.239
the original. That is the reform
we need. We don' t need

1015
01:41:00.319 --> 01:41:03.199
to reform something to be novel and
tell how society faced it. What we

1016
01:41:03.319 --> 01:41:09.359
need is to go back to design
or digital. No. That is why

1017
01:41:09.359 --> 01:41:14.520
I think the Apostolic Ministry is so
important in this regard. Today' s

1018
01:41:14.560 --> 01:41:19.479
Apostolic Ministry has nothing to do with
creating this new foundation. The apostolic and

1019
01:41:19.520 --> 01:41:23.640
prophetic foundations have already been established.
He' s not going to lay a

1020
01:41:23.680 --> 01:41:26.760
foundation for us after more than 2, 000 years on something that' s

1021
01:41:26.760 --> 01:41:30.880
already built. What we must do
is correctly interpret the foundations that were laid

1022
01:41:31.000 --> 01:41:35.199
and suddenly discover that some things have
been built that were not at the foundation

1023
01:41:35.239 --> 01:41:41.359
of the original plan and suddenly there
are things that were not done or stopped

1024
01:41:41.399 --> 01:41:45.359
being done and we have to recover
them. Then I believe that the Church

1025
01:41:45.399 --> 01:41:50.800
would have to go on that path, because returning to the original design,

1026
01:41:53.079 --> 01:41:56.479
which Jesus Christ left behind, is
what guarantees us that, despite the cultural

1027
01:41:56.600 --> 01:42:00.239
changes and the time we live in, the Church can make effective in penetrating

1028
01:42:00.319 --> 01:42:02.600
the system, because the design that
he left clearly spiritual. So, when

1029
01:42:02.680 --> 01:42:09.720
you penetrate society spiritually beyond whatever cultural
and natural manifestation it has, we are

1030
01:42:09.720 --> 01:42:13.800
going to be effective. But we
have to use the design that Christ left

1031
01:42:14.399 --> 01:42:17.920
and not the designs that have been
taking place through the different stages of the

1032
01:42:17.960 --> 01:42:29.840
Church. Historically clear, it is
interesting reflection and I agree with you Oswaldo

1033
01:42:30.079 --> 01:42:35.720
in those reflections twenty- two And
what happens is that we also have legions

1034
01:42:35.880 --> 01:42:42.319
of people who say clear interesting things
and everyone exposes in networks and in so

1035
01:42:43.840 --> 01:42:49.560
many platforms Straimings, now everyone can
do what self- edit. And it

1036
01:42:49.680 --> 01:42:54.439
' s all right, it'
s all right, it' s all

1037
01:42:54.479 --> 01:42:57.279
open public participation for everyone. What' s true, we have a collection

1038
01:42:58.239 --> 01:43:05.039
of phonies, cheaters, livers,
people who, both male and female.

1039
01:43:06.319 --> 01:43:15.359
And of course one says Caramba and
Jesus warned in the signs of the end

1040
01:43:15.520 --> 01:43:20.800
more than seven times about the carefulness
with deception that even some deception is so

1041
01:43:20.880 --> 01:43:27.840
strong, so sophisticated. The text
of Matthew II already strikes me very much

1042
01:43:28.000 --> 01:43:32.000
when many say that day, sir, we did this not typically the things

1043
01:43:32.079 --> 01:43:38.359
of Pentecostalism. I' m no
costal mind. No, no, no,

1044
01:43:38.560 --> 01:43:41.359
I didn' t know you guys
I don' t know who you

1045
01:43:41.359 --> 01:43:48.119
are. It means that, because
it is also important to discern the true

1046
01:43:48.159 --> 01:43:51.720
from the false, clear truth,
good to see. That' s the

1047
01:43:51.800 --> 01:43:57.359
right word Julio said, because I
think you don' t have to be

1048
01:43:57.479 --> 01:44:01.359
afraid of that falsehood there is,
because when you' re afraid of something

1049
01:44:01.439 --> 01:44:04.479
false, the only thing you generate
is a rejection of everything. It'

1050
01:44:04.560 --> 01:44:09.520
s not like someone ever gives us
a fake fifty euro bill and we don

1051
01:44:09.560 --> 01:44:12.439
' t want to grab any more, because we think everything is fake.

1052
01:44:12.520 --> 01:44:16.479
We' re gonna suspect everything.
The idea is to pay attention and know

1053
01:44:16.560 --> 01:44:20.439
the real one so that when a
fake ticket comes, we can detect it.

1054
01:44:20.920 --> 01:44:26.279
I mean, a banker isn'
t trying to identify everything that'

1055
01:44:26.319 --> 01:44:28.640
s false, he knows the real
thing. So, when your human touches

1056
01:44:28.800 --> 01:44:31.039
a false one, he discovers it
and in order to do that, I

1057
01:44:31.119 --> 01:44:36.159
think that what we should do,
instead of being afraid or rejecting everything,

1058
01:44:36.560 --> 01:44:41.399
is to have a deep communion with
God, so that our discernment develops more

1059
01:44:41.479 --> 01:44:46.119
in this time than ever, so
that suddenly we have the openness we should

1060
01:44:46.119 --> 01:44:50.319
have, if we should change some
things and we have to learn to listen

1061
01:44:50.439 --> 01:44:56.119
to each other, because I believe
that in the diversity we have there is

1062
01:44:56.600 --> 01:44:59.560
also a lot of wealth and be
able to identify what it is not to

1063
01:44:59.560 --> 01:45:01.399
be able to identify. Then I
think it is not so dangerous, because

1064
01:45:01.479 --> 01:45:06.680
there were false apostles and false prophets
and false teachers and false brothers since the

1065
01:45:08.039 --> 01:45:14.199
first century. It is not false
everything, but God has never lost or

1066
01:45:14.319 --> 01:45:16.239
lose the Church' s government,
because it is the head. The Church

1067
01:45:16.359 --> 01:45:19.680
will be victorious, as the Lord
said, and that is our confidence.

1068
01:45:21.920 --> 01:45:27.039
What we should do is to take
our care and say I don' t

1069
01:45:27.119 --> 01:45:30.239
want to fall into deception. I
want to go the right way and the

1070
01:45:30.359 --> 01:45:34.000
only way to know that what someone
else is saying is truly what God is

1071
01:45:34.000 --> 01:45:38.399
proposing. It is the condition of
the one who listens, because capacity,

1072
01:45:40.119 --> 01:45:45.039
my spiritual communion, my depth with
him, will cause my spiritual sensibility to

1073
01:45:45.079 --> 01:45:49.439
flourish in an attack way when he
hears algae automatically. I will detect what

1074
01:45:49.479 --> 01:45:51.960
is and what is not of God
and that is what we need ministerially.

1075
01:45:54.479 --> 01:45:59.279
People can' t detect that and
the media is open. Then people sometimes

1076
01:45:59.279 --> 01:46:01.520
get in to listen to what they
don' t owe what' s interesting

1077
01:46:01.600 --> 01:46:05.800
to them and sometimes they eat badly. Now it is not wise that we

1078
01:46:05.840 --> 01:46:09.119
forbid him to listen, because they
are just going to do the opposite.

1079
01:46:09.600 --> 01:46:12.800
And the idea is to have a
people who, if I mature in wisdom,

1080
01:46:13.479 --> 01:46:15.640
will know what it is and what
it is not. Even if you

1081
01:46:15.720 --> 01:46:19.479
listen to the nets indiscriminately, everything
that comes to you is not the same.

1082
01:46:19.560 --> 01:46:23.760
Then we have to do it in
leadership and I think we have to

1083
01:46:23.800 --> 01:46:27.359
teach people, that is, when
we have a little boy, we have

1084
01:46:28.159 --> 01:46:31.000
to have a lot of attention,
because he can eat anything he doesn'

1085
01:46:31.119 --> 01:46:34.680
t grab a trash and take it
to his mouth to eat it, so

1086
01:46:34.680 --> 01:46:38.119
we' re looking after it.
But when he grows up, you don

1087
01:46:38.199 --> 01:46:39.760
' t have to be watching him
anymore. He knows what' s good

1088
01:46:39.840 --> 01:46:42.960
to eat and what' s not
good, so I think we' ll

1089
01:46:42.960 --> 01:46:45.720
have to go. On that side, instead of instilling fear or forbidding building

1090
01:46:45.720 --> 01:46:49.560
in such a way that people have
the ability to discern between what is and

1091
01:46:49.640 --> 01:46:57.359
what is not. It is important
to develop criteria in all the discernment of

1092
01:46:57.560 --> 01:47:01.279
true and false things, if it
is not to create an armism that puts

1093
01:47:01.359 --> 01:47:06.760
us there in a Zulo or in
a bunker and not. Not that in

1094
01:47:06.800 --> 01:47:12.920
fact, I know from experience.
I relate to the whole body of Christ

1095
01:47:13.000 --> 01:47:18.920
and there are of all species I
mean and they are respectable in the vast

1096
01:47:20.479 --> 01:47:27.199
majority and with the accents of one
and the other. What is there is,

1097
01:47:27.279 --> 01:47:30.319
in the midst of all that bare
magnum, to discern what can be

1098
01:47:30.720 --> 01:47:35.039
harmful to one' s spiritual health. If you believe it as one of

1099
01:47:35.159 --> 01:47:41.640
God' s last words so you
don' t know what, then it

1100
01:47:41.640 --> 01:47:46.840
is important, but yes, maturity
also consists in knowing, acquiring the necessary

1101
01:47:47.000 --> 01:47:54.319
marudez to know that we have to
learn to have autonomy, to be living

1102
01:47:54.399 --> 01:47:57.479
there, in locked up somewhere and
everything is bad and the world comes upon

1103
01:47:57.479 --> 01:48:00.760
us. Yeah, I don'
t agree with that, because if you

1104
01:48:00.880 --> 01:48:05.920
turn around, you get sick again, we' re clear Well, in

1105
01:48:05.960 --> 01:48:10.239
some cases people are encouraged not to
look at that, and in the long

1106
01:48:10.239 --> 01:48:12.479
run that' s worse, because
people, out of their own curiosity,

1107
01:48:13.119 --> 01:48:15.920
go and look and just go to
the issues that are most controversial. It

1108
01:48:16.000 --> 01:48:21.560
seems to me that when we live
the pandemic. The pandemic revealed one side,

1109
01:48:24.640 --> 01:48:29.319
a lack of the church. I
don' t think we should have

1110
01:48:30.039 --> 01:48:31.960
ended up the same and continue as
if nothing had happened, as was done

1111
01:48:31.960 --> 01:48:34.600
in many cases. It doesn'
t give me the feeling that it'

1112
01:48:34.600 --> 01:48:40.239
s like those people who go down
the street and fall and then it'

1113
01:48:40.279 --> 01:48:43.359
s just shake a little bit and
keep walking like nothing happened, but it

1114
01:48:43.960 --> 01:48:46.199
actually happened and the pains come after. No, and I think we should

1115
01:48:46.239 --> 01:48:50.600
have a much deeper reading of the
pandemic, because there are things we didn

1116
01:48:50.760 --> 01:48:55.640
' t see, because there are
things that didn' t know and because

1117
01:48:55.680 --> 01:48:58.479
it showed a lot of things that
weren' t right. And then I

1118
01:48:58.520 --> 01:49:01.680
think that responsibility of leadership, I
think leadership because we can say of people,

1119
01:49:01.840 --> 01:49:05.279
that people have the ability to destroy
it, but leadership has to have

1120
01:49:05.359 --> 01:49:12.680
a greater openness and depth. And
I mean, we live in difficult times

1121
01:49:13.000 --> 01:49:16.880
and that makes us have to be
much more engaged in our intimate Communion with

1122
01:49:17.000 --> 01:49:21.119
God, our time of quality and
not of activity, because sometimes that doesn

1123
01:49:21.199 --> 01:49:26.000
' t happen to us. The
Ministry demands a lot of activity and the

1124
01:49:26.039 --> 01:49:30.079
same activity we do for God is
preventing us from being quality time with God.

1125
01:49:30.560 --> 01:49:39.720
So sometimes we are filled with too
many activities and the activities that we

1126
01:49:39.760 --> 01:49:42.239
have within the Church, which is
not that they are wrong, but that

1127
01:49:42.479 --> 01:49:45.119
sometimes they blur our focus from the
most important thing, which is to be

1128
01:49:45.119 --> 01:49:48.079
with him. And we want to
be with people, we want to help

1129
01:49:48.479 --> 01:49:53.560
people and we are working for God, but we are not spending quality time

1130
01:49:53.560 --> 01:49:56.239
with God. Then we can say
good. Yeah, I' m on

1131
01:49:56.319 --> 01:50:00.359
the Bible every day. I read
a little, I' m praying,

1132
01:50:00.600 --> 01:50:02.920
but I' m talking about something
else. I' m talking about something

1133
01:50:03.159 --> 01:50:06.279
deeper, because I can grate an
hour and not have touched his presence and

1134
01:50:06.359 --> 01:50:12.079
a touch of his presence is worth
much more than an hour talking, so

1135
01:50:12.159 --> 01:50:15.840
I think all leadership needs that.
He needs that because there are people.

1136
01:50:15.520 --> 01:50:19.880
The leader who doesn' t go
for that is being passed over by people.

1137
01:50:19.920 --> 01:50:23.640
And that' s the dangerous thing. Sometimes I also give a lesson

1138
01:50:23.720 --> 01:50:27.520
that was good for the networks or
the media, and I don' t

1139
01:50:27.520 --> 01:50:30.880
want to create a conflict for a
concierge, but sometimes I realize that if

1140
01:50:30.920 --> 01:50:34.840
I release a word and people get
it, if people get it before their

1141
01:50:34.960 --> 01:50:38.920
own leader causes a problem and even
if they don' t want it,

1142
01:50:39.279 --> 01:50:44.279
today it generates that media. No, then we should all at this time

1143
01:50:44.359 --> 01:50:49.279
take that precaution and that commitment to
God to turn to the source that is

1144
01:50:50.239 --> 01:50:56.039
that which is interesting. The issue
of the pandemic has taught us well,

1145
01:50:56.079 --> 01:51:00.840
see. It' s been four
years since then, but it' s

1146
01:51:00.840 --> 01:51:03.560
true. He told me, one
of the leaders of the Church of God

1147
01:51:03.800 --> 01:51:10.159
in the world who came to administer
pastors. Two thousand twenty- one a

1148
01:51:10.720 --> 01:51:15.399
year ago he was managing who hotel
on the Valencian coast and an interesting man,

1149
01:51:17.199 --> 01:51:25.439
not Darrell, and he said the
pandemic caused in the United States that

1150
01:51:25.479 --> 01:51:28.399
one third of the Church, thirty- two percent have not returned to the

1151
01:51:28.399 --> 01:51:33.520
Church. They' re either in
no man' s land or they'

1152
01:51:33.520 --> 01:51:39.039
re in limbo. No. And
it' s true because I' ve

1153
01:51:39.239 --> 01:51:44.359
sometimes thought and meditated on no one, neither the Russian, nor the Chinese,

1154
01:51:44.800 --> 01:51:47.199
nor anyone else. Nobody knew anything. And this showed us that yes.

1155
01:51:47.560 --> 01:51:50.199
Looks like we' ve got everything
under control. Someone' s got

1156
01:51:50.680 --> 01:51:55.800
it under control in a lab.
No, there was no fault that harmed

1157
01:51:56.159 --> 01:52:00.720
Tolo Parra, but it was a
general essay, clear for the end of

1158
01:52:00.840 --> 01:52:05.800
the finals. It was a general
essay because it was a hypothesis. And

1159
01:52:05.880 --> 01:52:12.560
yet, thank God, we were
late to get out of the bottling that

1160
01:52:12.640 --> 01:52:17.479
caused the pandemic and the deaths and
fear and global panic that was terrifying.

1161
01:52:18.840 --> 01:52:25.119
What would we do in a situation
of eventuality that we would do now we

1162
01:52:25.600 --> 01:52:28.680
have to ask ourselves, because it
is that now, seeing what we are

1163
01:52:28.680 --> 01:52:31.960
seeing. Anything can happen. Of
course, God is not free, but

1164
01:52:32.039 --> 01:52:35.079
it can happen. It' s
happened and you used to say. Everything

1165
01:52:35.199 --> 01:52:41.600
that happened in the 20th century was
much more intense than in all human history.

1166
01:52:43.119 --> 01:52:47.560
In the 20th century alone two world
wars, genocides, atrocious astronomical advances,

1167
01:52:47.640 --> 01:52:53.119
technological advances, medical science and everything
goes tremendous, I no longer say

1168
01:52:53.159 --> 01:52:56.359
in the 21st century, with networks
and with the media, artificial intelligence,

1169
01:52:56.680 --> 01:53:00.039
I mean, at this time the
history of the measured is advanced more than

1170
01:53:00.079 --> 01:53:05.239
in all history, in a century
and three decades, more than in all

1171
01:53:05.359 --> 01:53:10.880
previous history, I mean, that
we are going at a meteoric speed towards

1172
01:53:12.000 --> 01:53:17.479
where we are going. And the
change that was cultural, social, values,

1173
01:53:17.960 --> 01:53:23.640
the change of values that took place
was tremendous now. That is why

1174
01:53:24.119 --> 01:53:28.880
I say that the Church should have
done a much deeper reading of what the

1175
01:53:29.039 --> 01:53:32.159
pandemic did, of how we handled
the issue of the pandemic, of the

1176
01:53:32.199 --> 01:53:34.920
consequences it caused and of what we
did not see. In other words,

1177
01:53:35.119 --> 01:53:41.399
the Church has recognized the need for
God' s direction and for the warning

1178
01:53:41.439 --> 01:53:45.119
of the things to come, of
the Nisterium, of the prophetic movement and

1179
01:53:45.199 --> 01:53:47.359
all that she wants. But we
were not warned of such a thing.

1180
01:53:47.640 --> 01:53:54.319
No, not as we should be
warned. If you ask me, I

1181
01:53:54.399 --> 01:53:59.920
think it is clear that I believe
in a prophetic church because we need God

1182
01:53:59.920 --> 01:54:02.479
' s direction. I believe in
the ministry of many. I believe that

1183
01:54:02.520 --> 01:54:08.359
today, there is a large percentage
who can say that they are apostles or

1184
01:54:08.399 --> 01:54:11.640
prophets or what they were as pastor
and good sometimes they are not, but

1185
01:54:12.119 --> 01:54:14.600
I do believe the truth of all
that. The point is that we should

1186
01:54:14.680 --> 01:54:18.720
not have distracted some ministries to entertain
the brothers, but to delay the government.

1187
01:54:20.680 --> 01:54:26.359
That is, when we looked at
the prophets in the old Covenant,

1188
01:54:26.960 --> 01:54:29.760
we discovered that they were close to
the Government. They could speak publicly,

1189
01:54:30.119 --> 01:54:33.199
but the main word was brought to
the kings, to whom government decisions had

1190
01:54:33.279 --> 01:54:40.039
to be made. So the same
thing happens with the Church Today, the

1191
01:54:40.119 --> 01:54:44.560
way God has to pass us direction
is at governmental levels, not making events

1192
01:54:44.840 --> 01:54:48.359
so that they can give him a
word of encouragement, of impulse, of

1193
01:54:48.680 --> 01:54:54.319
leadership stimuli to the little brothers at
the prophetic congresses. And all that,

1194
01:54:54.399 --> 01:54:59.399
I think that distracts them from a
prophet, usually in the old covenant,

1195
01:55:00.720 --> 01:55:04.960
although the prophetic ministry of the new
covenant of absolutely different in the dynamics of

1196
01:55:05.039 --> 01:55:10.000
expression is quite different. But anyway, they were strange, retracted people,

1197
01:55:10.920 --> 01:55:15.520
who were with God, who were
not half antisocial, they were difficult to

1198
01:55:15.600 --> 01:55:17.760
cope with. But when a word
came down, let down a word of

1199
01:55:18.760 --> 01:55:23.920
God for the government, because they
were always linked to the leadership of the

1200
01:55:23.920 --> 01:55:27.039
nation. Today, let' s
move on to the spiritual. It'

1201
01:55:27.119 --> 01:55:30.920
s the same thing. The Holy
Nation of God needs direction. It is

1202
01:55:30.000 --> 01:55:36.159
expressed through the church and the designs
of the Church. But we need to

1203
01:55:36.560 --> 01:55:42.920
be redirected so that we don'
t work on human schemes and human structures,

1204
01:55:43.000 --> 01:55:45.680
but under the Lord' s impulse
and direction, and we don'

1205
01:55:45.680 --> 01:55:48.560
t have to recognize that. That
there was a lack there And for me,

1206
01:55:48.920 --> 01:55:51.479
the worst thing that can happen to
us is that, after a crisis

1207
01:55:51.560 --> 01:55:56.119
like the one that was experienced,
let' s continue like nothing happened and

1208
01:55:56.199 --> 01:56:00.439
with our activities, without changing anything. I have to have made an assessment

1209
01:56:00.520 --> 01:56:02.560
of what happened, how we react, how we assimilate it and what can

1210
01:56:02.600 --> 01:56:08.399
come. Because it' s written
that there are things that are going to

1211
01:56:08.399 --> 01:56:12.560
be worse interesting. They realize our
listeners and those who are seeing us in

1212
01:56:12.640 --> 01:56:16.439
f like, but especially the following
ones of modulated frequency in the different Spanish

1213
01:56:16.520 --> 01:56:23.359
cities, they realize how many things
can be intersected from this conversation with the

1214
01:56:23.439 --> 01:56:30.359
pastor and writer and lecturer and international
teacher, Rualdo Rebolleda Rebolledo, that you

1215
01:56:30.920 --> 01:56:39.720
notice if you merit the titles of
your book, because it attests to that

1216
01:56:39.840 --> 01:56:44.479
in the conversation, in the knowledge
of so many topics we could be with

1217
01:56:44.880 --> 01:56:48.640
some of the topics that we enter
from this conversation a whole program, only

1218
01:56:48.720 --> 01:56:56.640
with some of the topics. Sure, because there' s a lot to

1219
01:56:56.840 --> 01:57:00.880
talk about and well, how can
Osvaldo people who say hey I' d

1220
01:57:00.880 --> 01:57:05.680
like to. I' m going
to read the books of the pastor Rebolleda

1221
01:57:05.720 --> 01:57:15.800
Rebolleda, if that actor Rebolleda is, I' m going to read them

1222
01:57:15.960 --> 01:57:24.800
Osvaldo Rebolleta, com also has its
walls of faxes from social networks, but

1223
01:57:24.880 --> 01:57:27.560
its messages also that can listen in
audios and videos. I don' t

1224
01:57:27.640 --> 01:57:30.319
think so, too. It'
s good, too. Actually, on

1225
01:57:30.399 --> 01:57:33.840
the top page of the link you
can go to the different sites. At

1226
01:57:33.920 --> 01:57:39.239
first there is the agenda, because
there is figure where I am, where

1227
01:57:39.239 --> 01:57:42.159
I am going and whatever. There
are the videos, which is a link

1228
01:57:42.199 --> 01:57:45.680
that connects us to YouTube and there
is one that says audios, that connects

1229
01:57:45.800 --> 01:57:49.600
us to all the different audio series, that, well, there are a

1230
01:57:49.840 --> 01:57:55.079
lot, a lot of different audio
series that you can access and everything is

1231
01:57:55.159 --> 01:57:57.800
to download and for all free,
of course, yes, yes, well,

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01:57:58.079 --> 01:58:01.079
it is very generous. Thank you
for your part in blessing God'

1233
01:58:01.199 --> 01:58:06.479
s people and people in general.
So, well, you can take advantage

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01:58:06.560 --> 01:58:15.319
of it on the Osvaldo Rebolleda com
page and also audio books videos and this

1235
01:58:15.399 --> 01:58:20.439
same program, which is also going
to be posted on audio networks also that

1236
01:58:20.720 --> 01:58:30.199
is people who say I would like
to meet, talk to Pastor Rebolledo,

1237
01:58:30.760 --> 01:58:38.159
write to him, contact him,
people in particular or pastors or leaders of

1238
01:58:38.159 --> 01:58:43.000
the evangelical work. Somewhere I would
be interested to meet you, listen to

1239
01:58:43.159 --> 01:58:46.760
you, talk to him, maybe
invite you in a moment, given how

1240
01:58:46.880 --> 01:58:51.960
you can also do on the same
page. We have behind schedule in the

1241
01:58:53.079 --> 01:58:59.079
last one is contacts. Sure then, well, there' s the mail,

1242
01:58:59.359 --> 01:59:01.439
my personal mail that I' m
handling or via facebook. Also one

1243
01:59:01.520 --> 01:59:09.479
connects with this via Facebook or my
personal mail. There are all the data

1244
01:59:09.600 --> 01:59:14.199
on my page, there are all
the forms of connection and with all pleasure

1245
01:59:14.359 --> 01:59:19.159
this being able to talk to the
pastors and whoever I need for some reason.

1246
01:59:19.239 --> 01:59:24.520
Sometimes there are pastors who, well, I am continually talking to pastors

1247
01:59:24.600 --> 01:59:29.800
who are friends, who I know, who do not necessarily work with me

1248
01:59:29.880 --> 01:59:33.840
under my authority, are not friends
and sometimes I go to the Church and

1249
01:59:33.960 --> 01:59:40.840
preach, but we are always in
contact for advice, for a doubt they

1250
01:59:40.880 --> 01:59:45.199
have or for a topic they are
preparing, so that we can develop something.

1251
01:59:45.399 --> 01:59:48.600
Then always, well it' s
my job and I do it with

1252
01:59:48.640 --> 01:59:53.239
great pleasure, with great joy.
So you can connect them through the pages

1253
01:59:53.239 --> 01:59:59.840
here in contacts. Also inside the
page is in the emails info arroba Osvaldo

1254
02:00:00.199 --> 02:00:06.760
Rebolleda com and also Rebolleda arroba Hotmail
com then and there, well, you

1255
02:00:06.800 --> 02:00:11.880
can give it if you have taken
it to the great flight and if you

1256
02:00:12.000 --> 02:00:16.720
can not enter, you can enter
the page and see and write it and

1257
02:00:16.720 --> 02:00:23.399
get in touch, as it has
been a real honor. Osvaldo, you

1258
02:00:23.439 --> 02:00:26.920
' re here before you leave because
you' re traveling tonight. Well,

1259
02:00:27.319 --> 02:00:30.680
yeah, yeah, tonight I'
m already going back to Argentina and well,

1260
02:00:30.800 --> 02:00:35.840
I' m going to be a
little bit there I have some activities

1261
02:00:35.880 --> 02:00:39.520
also when I' m in Argentina
and well and there I go to the

1262
02:00:39.520 --> 02:00:40.039
United States for about a month and
I hope to return to Spain. We

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02:00:41.600 --> 02:00:46.960
have everything scheduled for the next trip
in October. There are already at least

1264
02:00:47.000 --> 02:00:51.479
a few palpable activities, but well, I say we' ll see,

1265
02:00:53.039 --> 02:00:55.640
because the Lord only knows. It' s not what' s gonna happen

1266
02:00:55.640 --> 02:00:58.199
to us tomorrow, but good is
the idea. If the Lord wants it,

1267
02:00:58.279 --> 02:01:01.039
so it will be not if well, for we will be aware that

1268
02:01:01.079 --> 02:01:05.840
it will be a pleasure to be
with you again and also enjoy your company

1269
02:01:05.920 --> 02:01:09.800
and your Ministry. Well, thank
you so much for the invitation. Thank

1270
02:01:09.960 --> 02:01:13.880
you a pleasure to me. Nice
to meet you. Shared the last meal

1271
02:01:13.960 --> 02:01:17.039
we had there just over a month
ago in Murcia, there with the Murcians

1272
02:01:17.159 --> 02:01:24.239
and with our Catalan half- murtian
that we have there. Antonio, a

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02:01:24.359 --> 02:01:29.720
good friend, pastor Antonio Ventas and
the breath of life the church. He

1274
02:01:29.800 --> 02:01:31.760
' s the pastor of that church, with his radio station, with his

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02:01:31.760 --> 02:01:38.319
work. He' s a tireless
worker. This man is tremendous and the

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02:01:38.359 --> 02:01:41.079
truth is good, for we will
be in contract. Thank you for having

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02:01:41.119 --> 02:01:45.600
been with making this stop and bottom, because we have to eat a meal,

1278
02:01:45.319 --> 02:01:48.800
sing now how good until the next
bucket. Thank you, thank you

1279
02:01:48.800 --> 02:02:57.800
very much. Chao, the train
of life, Jesus Christ res Co Soberan

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02:03:00.000 --> 02:03:17.720
vitorioso neither the death could have and
to gratify God imposire to you we do

1281
02:03:17.840 --> 02:03:45.039
not adore you are invincible to sovereignty
all the glory, yours all the jesucriso

1282
02:03:45.239 --> 02:04:10.319
lono renas comp soveran seen me on
neither the death nest of semper his rod

1283
02:04:10.600 --> 02:04:30.000
to conquer I imposive yagos selo imposive
if I sive sabralo already is undoubtedly the

1284
02:04:30.199 --> 02:05:27.680
lla with ores worker lisea if coda
or tos of very invisible yadoramos you are

1285
02:05:29.079 --> 02:05:58.960
undencile leftover yours is all ho is
all the cecils called incas decide so degree

1286
02:06:00.880 --> 02:06:43.159
written g vidioes or zeal imposicincias se
si te writing certitus g tus todas ores

1287
02:06:45.279 --> 02:07:29.920
and all these things are more fans
until he comes up to Gary today that

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02:07:30.279 --> 02:07:36.319
we never invite you to the second
edition of this interdenominacional Congress addressed to all

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02:07:36.680 --> 02:07:42.159
the Body of Christ in Spain and
Europe, which will take place from twenty

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02:07:43.399 --> 02:07:46.000
- eight to twenty- eight April
in the Fira of Reus, Tarragona.

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02:07:46.560 --> 02:07:55.199
With us will be international speakers Mariano
sen Igual, Benjamin Núñez and Marcos brunet

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02:07:55.600 --> 02:08:07.520
To. W loved well p famed. For more information. You can log

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02:08:07.600 --> 02:08:13.359
in to our wwwwww. Until he
comes point is either write to the six

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02:08:13.760 --> 02:08:18.800
about, six, eight, eight, one, five, seven, one,

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02:08:18.199 --> 02:08:22.399
six hundred, sixteen, eight hundred
eighty- one, five hundred seventy

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02:08:24.239 --> 02:08:28.880
- one and consult prices and registration
modalities. Do not miss the opportunity to

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02:08:28.960 --> 02:08:33.680
participate in this great call. Until
he comes. Until he comes or prunes

1298
02:08:35.960 --> 02:08:52.880
knees home before your low glory of
plot comes and every real eye the train

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02:09:00.039 --> 02:09:03.640
of life, an exciting journey along
the routes of the heart, an unforgettable

1300
02:09:05.680 --> 02:09:41.760
journey at the pace of trem Ladies
and gentlemen, is always an immense one.

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02:09:41.880 --> 02:09:48.840
It is not a big word bridge, it is only an immense pleasure

1302
02:09:48.960 --> 02:09:52.920
to have in the train of life
a traveler very dear, very dear to

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02:09:52.000 --> 02:09:58.359
many of us, as it is
one of the most international characters of our

1304
02:09:58.560 --> 02:10:05.760
field, as it is and you
the stream and we have it there accompanying

1305
02:10:05.800 --> 02:10:09.279
us, there we have taken to
the flight, because it flies in all

1306
02:10:09.279 --> 02:10:13.760
directions. This is the bird heading
north, south, east and west.

1307
02:10:16.920 --> 02:10:24.600
Good morning, dear, itiel Julio, what a joy to make this stop

1308
02:10:24.720 --> 02:10:30.239
and be able to visit good friends. I love you a lot. I

1309
02:10:30.359 --> 02:10:35.800
really appreciate your love and always being
here with the show audience is an honor

1310
02:10:35.880 --> 02:10:41.319
to me. Then this stop,
this stop is of pleasure how good is

1311
02:10:41.399 --> 02:10:48.199
something mutual and tiel. Hey,
hey, hey, hey, hey,

1312
02:10:48.840 --> 02:10:48.840
hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey,

1313
02:10:48.840 --> 02:10:48.840
hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey,

1314
02:10:48.840 --> 02:10:48.840
hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey,

1315
02:10:48.840 --> 02:10:52.359
hey, hey. We call it
Congress because it' s a summons.

1316
02:10:52.479 --> 02:10:56.920
We do not discuss at the table
or in working groups. We are

1317
02:10:58.000 --> 02:11:03.840
all a little in unison celebrating the
greatness of God. Let' s look

1318
02:11:05.000 --> 02:11:11.399
at it, because more than two
zero people who are already practically summoned and

1319
02:11:11.600 --> 02:11:15.920
those who are still in the last
Sprint we are going to have on the

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02:11:16.079 --> 02:11:18.680
twenty- sixth to the twenty-
eighth of April, there in Reus,

1321
02:11:20.239 --> 02:11:20.920
in the Fira de reusen Tarragona,
which, by the way, we are

1322
02:11:20.920 --> 02:11:22.680
also going to you. We'
re gonna have the pleasure of having you

1323
02:11:22.760 --> 02:11:26.399
among the guests. Hey, what
does this call name suggest to you until

1324
02:11:26.520 --> 02:11:33.399
he comes. Well, Julio,
I have to say that, although you

1325
02:11:33.560 --> 02:11:39.199
have been very kind and have put
me there among the guests, I am

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02:11:39.319 --> 02:11:46.199
going to learn because it seems to
me that it is going to be a

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02:11:46.840 --> 02:11:52.520
congress of much learning, challenge to
acquire vision for what is coming in the

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02:11:52.600 --> 02:11:56.239
future and, above all, to
be ready for the moment when Jesus comes.

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02:11:56.359 --> 02:12:00.720
No, then I want you to
know that both my wife and I

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02:12:00.880 --> 02:12:05.159
are going with that desire to receive
all that God has for us and I

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02:12:05.239 --> 02:12:11.039
want to encourage the audience to join
this call, which I believe is a

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02:12:11.119 --> 02:12:16.319
divine call. I mean, July
that I usually go as a guest to

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02:12:16.439 --> 02:12:24.199
many events, but there are some
key that I reserve to attend as an

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02:12:24.239 --> 02:12:28.079
apprentice and this is one of them
and I would like to encourage everyone else

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02:12:28.199 --> 02:12:31.800
to join, because I think they
will learn a lot then at first I

1336
02:12:31.800 --> 02:12:35.039
would tell you this and if you
want, now I will answer the question.

1337
02:12:35.840 --> 02:12:39.359
Yes, let' s see if
anyone asks me from one another or

1338
02:12:39.399 --> 02:12:43.640
from or in front of you that
sees about you or others hears and where

1339
02:12:43.800 --> 02:12:50.000
these people feed themselves. I don' t say well as far as I

1340
02:12:50.079 --> 02:12:54.600
know, not only do I have
a great affection for Itiel, but I

1341
02:12:54.600 --> 02:12:58.119
care about her well- being.
I mean it he doesn' t go

1342
02:12:58.239 --> 02:13:03.800
around saying everything he does does to
the public, but what' s where

1343
02:13:03.840 --> 02:13:07.680
he slows down feeds. He knows
he has a personal discipline of what he

1344
02:13:07.720 --> 02:13:11.439
has to do, but this connection, precisely of these people, is one

1345
02:13:11.520 --> 02:13:16.840
of the connections that he has in
secret that I make public, because if

1346
02:13:16.920 --> 02:13:22.199
you know the mission institute, or
take your place, or you know these

1347
02:13:22.479 --> 02:13:28.680
people and the substance that they have
in their biblical teaching, so powerful and

1348
02:13:28.680 --> 02:13:33.000
so rich, so vitaminic, I
say not good, I myself, after

1349
02:13:33.000 --> 02:13:39.560
so many years, also feed back
many of his teachings that are of the

1350
02:13:39.560 --> 02:13:43.319
highest quality. I say so,
and it has in this case too,

1351
02:13:45.279 --> 02:13:48.439
i e ah caramba. I say
clearly what you think it is that he

1352
02:13:48.520 --> 02:13:54.119
lives from the air, no,
and he lives from constant learning and I

1353
02:13:54.279 --> 02:13:58.199
also from one another interact. You' re right You' re right.

1354
02:13:58.319 --> 02:14:05.760
Someone once said that one is the
result of the five closest influences in his

1355
02:14:05.880 --> 02:14:11.600
life. So, whenever someone asks
me Itiel why you live, how you

1356
02:14:11.800 --> 02:14:16.920
live or why you have those approaches
or that passion. I always say it

1357
02:14:18.000 --> 02:14:24.000
' s because I' m surrounded
by people who challenge me and drive me

1358
02:14:24.119 --> 02:14:28.359
to a more passionate, dedicated,
committed life. And I think that,

1359
02:14:28.880 --> 02:14:33.800
as part of spiritual discipline, you
don' t just have to have your

1360
02:14:33.800 --> 02:14:39.479
reading of the Bible or your prayer
or your devotional search. I think you

1361
02:14:39.560 --> 02:14:45.960
also need to know how to create
a good network of friends and make community.

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02:14:46.520 --> 02:14:50.560
For that reason, someone like me
must first always be integrated into the

1363
02:14:50.640 --> 02:14:54.960
local church. That' s non- negotiable. You have to be in

1364
02:14:56.119 --> 02:15:01.479
the local community, because there is
no other way to be healthy in spiritual

1365
02:15:01.600 --> 02:15:07.439
life and then take advantage of that
global network that today we can harness through

1366
02:15:07.560 --> 02:15:13.720
virtual means or through this globalized world
and nourish ourselves with the good influence of

1367
02:15:13.800 --> 02:15:20.640
men and women of God who challenge
us to a life burning for God.

1368
02:15:20.800 --> 02:15:28.840
And I think Mariano Senewald, Benjamín
Núñez, Marcos Burunet, Julio Pérez,

1369
02:15:30.000 --> 02:15:33.800
all the team behind him until he
comes, are people I want to learn

1370
02:15:33.880 --> 02:15:39.720
from and I want to have a
good close look to look a little bit

1371
02:15:39.840 --> 02:15:48.159
like them. You know Maria Nosen
the same, Mark Brunet. In fact,

1372
02:15:48.039 --> 02:15:52.439
this one, for example, participates
in the great conference that has this

1373
02:15:52.000 --> 02:15:56.680
summer there in Monte great intimacy with
the beloved that people have. If you

1374
02:15:56.720 --> 02:16:01.199
were aware of that conference, you
would not miss something of the best in

1375
02:16:01.279 --> 02:16:05.199
the Christian world every year. And
you' re also invited with them.

1376
02:16:05.279 --> 02:16:11.000
But it means Maria Nosen Igual,
Marcos Burune, Benjamin Núñez, a young

1377
02:16:11.119 --> 02:16:15.560
man. Still well, all four
of them are young. But when you

1378
02:16:15.680 --> 02:16:20.000
hear Benjamin' s word and but
which planet this kid came from, I

1379
02:16:20.720 --> 02:16:24.960
don' t and I don'
t exaggerate that I' m not easily

1380
02:16:24.960 --> 02:16:26.880
impressed by anything. How would you
describe them to each one of them,

1381
02:16:28.119 --> 02:16:35.360
starting with Marians Like we have the
father, the son and the holy spirit,

1382
02:16:37.159 --> 02:16:39.639
this joke looks at each one of
them. Each of them has an

1383
02:16:39.760 --> 02:16:52.680
invaluable personal wealth. First, I
would point out in general that although their

1384
02:16:52.680 --> 02:16:58.799
teaching is inspiring, their people,
their heart, their character, really is

1385
02:16:58.840 --> 02:17:05.920
most not of all, because not
only do they preach beautiful, but they

1386
02:17:05.040 --> 02:17:13.079
are people who reflect the character of
Jesus and I do not say so to

1387
02:17:13.520 --> 02:17:15.159
flatter him, but I really believe
it. So, I think that what

1388
02:17:15.319 --> 02:17:22.959
they preach and what they live with
is aligned, they are coherent and they

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02:17:24.040 --> 02:17:28.760
really live with the intensity with which
they live, because they believe the message

1390
02:17:28.760 --> 02:17:33.399
they are preaching. And it seems
obvious to say this, but you'

1391
02:17:33.559 --> 02:17:39.520
d be surprised to know how many
people preach because it sounds nice, but

1392
02:17:39.559 --> 02:17:39.239
then it doesn' t apply that
which you' re preaching in your own

1393
02:17:39.239 --> 02:17:45.600
life. And I think both Mariano
and Benjamin Marcos do and the result is

1394
02:17:45.680 --> 02:17:52.280
fiery lives. I could tell you
about each one of them. For me,

1395
02:17:52.360 --> 02:18:01.600
first, Marcos Brunet was someone who
accompanied me in many of my moments

1396
02:18:01.639 --> 02:18:11.319
of devotional life. I think we
all started meeting him when we listened to

1397
02:18:11.319 --> 02:18:16.719
the CDs. At that time of
taking your place or of intimate worship,

1398
02:18:16.559 --> 02:18:22.600
and Mark Brunet, his voice,
his spontaneous worship, has accompanied us in

1399
02:18:22.680 --> 02:18:26.600
many devotionals. Then I discovered him
as a preacher and realized that he was

1400
02:18:26.719 --> 02:18:31.239
not only a good and deep worshiper, but behind that worship there was theology,

1401
02:18:31.959 --> 02:18:37.280
there was knowledge of God and I
think he has that beautiful blend of

1402
02:18:37.360 --> 02:18:45.920
a worshiper who knows the depths of
God. De Mariano would tell you that

1403
02:18:46.079 --> 02:18:54.879
he is a shepherd and has understood
the moment that we are living, the

1404
02:18:54.959 --> 02:19:01.280
era that has come to us to
live and I believe that, as a

1405
02:19:01.360 --> 02:19:07.079
visionary man, he has been able
to answer this Commission of God to create

1406
02:19:07.719 --> 02:19:11.799
a training institute to prepare many to
be pioneers of the second Avenue. When

1407
02:19:11.079 --> 02:19:16.040
I spend time with him, I
always learn something, and above all,

1408
02:19:16.879 --> 02:19:22.079
I learn not from the tremendous knowledge
that he has so much, but from

1409
02:19:22.680 --> 02:19:30.879
the pastoral heart, because I see
that he wishes to shepherd a generation,

1410
02:19:31.319 --> 02:19:37.000
to impel it to this great call
to be people who prepare the way for

1411
02:19:37.079 --> 02:19:37.520
the Second Coming of Christ and Benjamin
Núñez. I' d tell you he

1412
02:19:37.600 --> 02:19:43.440
' s one of these teachers who
always pulls something new and something old,

1413
02:19:43.600 --> 02:19:48.680
something new and something old out of
the treasure trunk. Like you said before,

1414
02:19:48.079 --> 02:19:54.200
when you listen to him, teaching
you say wow where you got this

1415
02:19:54.200 --> 02:20:00.479
from. I think you have to
have a lot of concentration every time you

1416
02:20:00.920 --> 02:20:05.159
hear Benjamin is not a superficial or
light message. It always lays a really

1417
02:20:07.559 --> 02:20:13.639
deep foundation for what is to come, issues related to intimacy with God,

1418
02:20:13.280 --> 02:20:20.719
Second Avenue, eschatology, and the
realities of God' s Kingdom. So

1419
02:20:20.200 --> 02:20:26.600
I think each of them contributes a
lot and we' re going to have

1420
02:20:26.600 --> 02:20:28.680
them in Spain. You have spoken
of this Congress in Argentina, which is

1421
02:20:31.520 --> 02:20:35.280
a past, but we have the
opportunity to have the same ones who are

1422
02:20:35.399 --> 02:20:41.440
in Argentina in Spain and we cannot
miss this opportunity. July is fantastic from

1423
02:20:41.600 --> 02:20:46.239
the 26th to the 28th of April. We' re a few days away

1424
02:20:46.399 --> 02:20:50.159
from the date, from the big
date. There, in the giant pavilion

1425
02:20:50.440 --> 02:20:56.559
of the fire of Reus, a
very emblematic place of this the best place

1426
02:20:56.719 --> 02:21:01.959
of Reus. There is also a
band a day before, a pre-

1427
02:21:01.920 --> 02:21:07.719
congress for pastors, already in fact, there are more than 400 pastors and

1428
02:21:07.920 --> 02:21:11.479
writings, creating that we will surely
come to more. The auditorium is six

1429
02:21:11.600 --> 02:21:18.120
hundred. The auditium also that there
is above the pavilion and the truth is

1430
02:21:18.479 --> 02:21:26.559
that preamble to Congress for frontline leaders. Pastors, pastors, elders, consorts

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and leaders of the very first line, because they also have a word of

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02:21:33.760 --> 02:21:37.280
faith for everyone, even for the
leaders. They have one characteristic in common

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02:21:37.399 --> 02:21:41.680
among others three of them I know
all three, also Mariano. We live

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02:21:41.760 --> 02:21:46.360
it more closely, because it is
very affectionate, besides a great messenger and

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02:21:46.600 --> 02:21:50.879
is that they are very passionate.
All three of you, this is beyond

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02:21:50.879 --> 02:21:56.520
doubt. They exude passion, but
have a feature that is not fashionable and

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02:21:56.680 --> 02:22:05.719
humble. They' re truly humble. They do not go to us as

1438
02:22:05.719 --> 02:22:11.319
messengers of Jesus, in love with
Jesus. They breathe it on all four

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02:22:11.440 --> 02:22:16.479
sides. Then, from twenty-
six to twenty- eight April for everyone

1440
02:22:18.319 --> 02:22:22.920
can enter the page until he comes
tre doubles of rigor point until he comes

1441
02:22:22.000 --> 02:22:26.799
point is and there they can look
for the modality. If you are a

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02:22:26.920 --> 02:22:31.399
pastor or lead leader, you can
also come in the previous and there we

1443
02:22:31.479 --> 02:22:35.639
will be already there and he also
with his family, we will all be

1444
02:22:35.639 --> 02:22:39.120
there thank God. Already or Matorrado
who is my colleague, they are praying

1445
02:22:39.200 --> 02:22:45.600
and many more than pastors friends and
truth that come pastors from the north,

1446
02:22:45.959 --> 02:22:48.600
from the south of the whole country. Sergio Zubillaga plays well watered uzta,

1447
02:22:48.600 --> 02:22:54.600
endless, frames, etcetera, etcetera. No And because they want to hear

1448
02:22:54.719 --> 02:23:00.479
the voice of these swordsmen, I
call them the three mojeteros to s They

1449
02:23:01.600 --> 02:23:09.239
certainly like the name. I like
the name And it is good that they

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02:23:09.319 --> 02:23:18.440
team up with men and women of
God here in Spain are challenging us to

1451
02:23:18.120 --> 02:23:24.200
prepare for what is coming and I
think that Spain will be as an important

1452
02:23:24.799 --> 02:23:35.319
piece on the divine game board regarding
the latest final events. I believe that

1453
02:23:35.520 --> 02:23:39.959
Spain in particular will have a very
interesting part in this and I believe that

1454
02:23:41.639 --> 02:23:46.319
this Congress is a divine call for
the Church in Spain to become courageous,

1455
02:23:46.920 --> 02:23:52.840
to face the great challenges with courage, because it will be difficult times,

1456
02:23:52.280 --> 02:23:56.040
but also times of great glory,
and I believe that one cannot separate one

1457
02:23:56.200 --> 02:24:01.159
from the other. Sometimes we just
want to keep the glory and run away

1458
02:24:01.280 --> 02:24:03.959
from suffering. But the Church does
not flee. The Church is present.

1459
02:24:05.600 --> 02:24:11.799
The Church takes on the challenge,
the breakdown of suffering and carries it in

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02:24:11.920 --> 02:24:15.440
such a way that it gives glory
to God. And I think that the

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02:24:15.520 --> 02:24:22.399
most beautiful always arises in the most
horrible contexts and the greatest light shines in

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02:24:22.520 --> 02:24:30.200
the most terrible darkness. Then I
think very interesting times are coming and I

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02:24:30.239 --> 02:24:35.760
want to be ready Julio. Yeah, hey, hey, hey, hey,

1464
02:24:37.159 --> 02:24:37.719
hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey,

1465
02:24:37.719 --> 02:24:37.719
hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey,

1466
02:24:37.719 --> 02:24:37.719
hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey,

1467
02:24:37.719 --> 02:24:37.719
hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey.

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02:24:37.879 --> 02:24:41.360
You said it. I remember in
the two thousand twelve I was in

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02:24:41.879 --> 02:24:45.959
Argentina and I listened to Marcos the
spontaneous singing and so many beautiful things,

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02:24:46.200 --> 02:24:50.639
which was something original and he has
a grace. In fact, we sing

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02:24:50.680 --> 02:24:56.000
Many of the songs we sing in
all the churches of the world are written

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02:24:56.120 --> 02:25:01.079
by Marcos Brunet and Lucas and their
entire team that will be there one Saturday

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02:25:01.159 --> 02:25:05.159
night, at night 27 April,
a concert with the whole band takes another

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02:25:05.200 --> 02:25:09.559
place and with like as well and
all the good one. And they are

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02:25:09.680 --> 02:25:15.479
not people who show themselves, but
are worshipers of the real ones and invite

1476
02:25:15.559 --> 02:25:20.239
us all to be able to participate
in that experience. But this thing on

1477
02:25:20.280 --> 02:25:24.719
Avenida de Jesús Notice, they have
two axes. Well, they talk about

1478
02:25:24.840 --> 02:25:30.159
a lot of topics, they'
re very inspiring and very challenging, but

1479
02:25:30.200 --> 02:25:31.479
they have several of them two axes. One is the culture of intimacy with

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02:25:31.600 --> 02:25:39.639
God, who have in it a
special grace, especially Marian how to develop

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02:25:39.719 --> 02:25:43.239
it truly and live it that live
it. And then the subject of the

1482
02:25:43.280 --> 02:25:50.440
attitude of the Church in these last
times common to pioneers of the Avenue of

1483
02:25:50.479 --> 02:25:54.799
the Lord But not as an armistice
nor dramatic, nor as a plan of

1484
02:25:56.879 --> 02:25:58.879
torture or terror. But beware,
things are going to be as they are,

1485
02:26:00.959 --> 02:26:05.840
but live the Christian life, the
whole compendium of Christian life, because

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02:26:05.239 --> 02:26:11.639
if not I, my generation yours, probably yes my children' s Hello,

1487
02:26:11.799 --> 02:26:16.799
because you could be my son perfectly
hello, because my daughter is about

1488
02:26:16.879 --> 02:26:22.479
your age, and or my grandchildren
very but highly likely will receive Lord Jesus

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02:26:22.600 --> 02:26:28.520
by the signs of the times.
It means living the whole Christian life in

1490
02:26:30.120 --> 02:26:33.719
all aspects in the light of Christ' s return And, as the apostle

1491
02:26:33.760 --> 02:26:39.000
John says, this hope in him
purifies us, sanctifies us. That'

1492
02:26:39.760 --> 02:26:41.559
s better than that. I enjoy
it that way and I don' t

1493
02:26:41.600 --> 02:26:50.440
know how you absolutely live it.
And I think that when we just focus

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02:26:52.680 --> 02:27:01.040
on discovering the signs, we become
a person in alarmists, maybe yellowish people.

1495
02:27:03.200 --> 02:27:09.319
But I believe that an eschatology that
connects with intimacy with Jesus is the

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02:27:09.399 --> 02:27:15.840
eschatology that we see in Revelation,
that finally, the word apocalypse means revelation,

1497
02:27:16.639 --> 02:27:22.200
is to see what is hidden.
And every apocalypse is based not so

1498
02:27:22.360 --> 02:27:28.200
much on the antichrist, the beast, the great Babylonian that are there,

1499
02:27:28.879 --> 02:27:35.040
but it is based above all on
discovering that the great victor is Jesus and

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02:27:35.200 --> 02:27:41.079
understanding his glory and understanding that he
is worthy to untie all the seals of

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02:27:41.159 --> 02:27:50.479
history. Then I believe that eschatology
without intimacy can even be harmful to our

1502
02:27:50.639 --> 02:27:54.360
spiritual life. The other day,
someone asked me and Tiel, do you

1503
02:27:54.840 --> 02:27:58.959
think the antichrist is such a person? Or such a person or such person?

1504
02:28:00.639 --> 02:28:03.079
And who do you think the antichrist
is? And Tiel, how to

1505
02:28:03.120 --> 02:28:07.159
discover the Antichrist. And I stopped
that person and I said look, I

1506
02:28:07.239 --> 02:28:11.120
see you very obsessed with Antichrist.
It would be much better for you to

1507
02:28:13.040 --> 02:28:20.000
know Christ, because when you know
Christ deeply, you will be able to

1508
02:28:20.079 --> 02:28:24.360
better discern the appearance of Antichrist,
because Antichrist is just going to be the

1509
02:28:24.360 --> 02:28:28.840
opposite of Christ. Whoever opposes Christ
and cannot pretend to know the Antichrist if

1510
02:28:28.920 --> 02:28:33.840
you have not had an intimacy with
Christ first, then I believe that our

1511
02:28:33.959 --> 02:28:41.520
great obsession should be to know the
Christ and after that intimacy with him will

1512
02:28:41.520 --> 02:28:48.719
derive the rest of wisdom. But
wisdom, an apparent wisdom detached from intimacy.

1513
02:28:48.879 --> 02:28:58.399
It is nothing more than catological yellowings
and trying to get cabals from what

1514
02:28:58.520 --> 02:29:03.280
is going to happen or how it
is going to be and we can have

1515
02:29:03.280 --> 02:29:07.239
a good time doing it even that
Christian entertainment can be fun. No,

1516
02:29:07.040 --> 02:29:13.799
but I think the most important thing
is that our heart is so full of

1517
02:29:13.840 --> 02:29:18.639
the revelation of Jesus, of the
coming Jesus, that we have our own

1518
02:29:18.840 --> 02:29:24.920
personal apocalypse, that we can see
him and understand that he is the great

1519
02:29:26.000 --> 02:29:31.239
victor of history and that we long
for his coming, so that then everything

1520
02:29:31.319 --> 02:29:35.879
else that is going to happen becomes
meaningful within that intimacy that we have with

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02:29:35.879 --> 02:29:39.879
Jesus. I don' t know
if I explain the point. I love

1522
02:29:39.079 --> 02:29:43.159
this reflection. I think it'
s very descriptive and I can subscribe and

1523
02:29:43.239 --> 02:29:48.360
I think many are. That'
s how you have to live from another

1524
02:29:48.360 --> 02:29:52.920
three movies of these already, in
fact, what' s going to happen

1525
02:29:54.000 --> 02:29:58.079
is already being before our eyes.
But of course, the final brooch is

1526
02:29:58.120 --> 02:30:05.600
going to be a world desistable that
is advocated, but this will bring us

1527
02:30:05.719 --> 02:30:07.799
closer to the mega point of history. But living it in that attitude is

1528
02:30:07.959 --> 02:30:15.440
if not the other. It'
s a terror that seems to be that

1529
02:30:15.440 --> 02:30:16.879
I don' t know, you
don' t know where you' re

1530
02:30:16.879 --> 02:30:16.920
going. No. No, no, it' s not like that.

1531
02:30:18.079 --> 02:30:20.920
It' s like you were saying.“ Hey, look,” says

1532
02:30:20.920 --> 02:30:26.159
a friend of mine, Lucas Marquez, who is an international speaker. It

1533
02:30:26.239 --> 02:30:30.000
also says the wheel of history," Dear friends, the Antichrist does not

1534
02:30:30.000 --> 02:30:33.639
carry it" The wheel of history
takes him to Christ from the beginning and

1535
02:30:33.719 --> 02:30:35.920
to the end. He' s
the one who leads the story and is

1536
02:30:37.040 --> 02:30:39.799
going to end it in total victory. It is not and it says that

1537
02:30:39.879 --> 02:30:45.280
we should not attribute to Antichrist what
it is not or what it is going

1538
02:30:46.280 --> 02:30:50.639
to be, but what Christ really
is, our lord and then good,

1539
02:30:50.000 --> 02:30:56.479
for it is pure good truth already
to go closing I do not want to

1540
02:30:56.600 --> 02:31:03.040
abuse your generosity of time and to
remind our listeners is that Congress until he

1541
02:31:03.040 --> 02:31:05.920
comes. And the subtitle is that
I have given you, the subtitle of

1542
02:31:07.040 --> 02:31:09.159
my book, which will be released
later this year. Today closer than ever,

1543
02:31:09.479 --> 02:31:16.159
look at you I' m doing
spoiler on her. So, today,

1544
02:31:16.280 --> 02:31:20.879
closer than ever, until he comes. We' ll meet the guests

1545
02:31:20.879 --> 02:31:26.280
there. Mariano Senewal, director of
the Instituto Misión, there in Buenos Aires,

1546
02:31:26.639 --> 02:31:33.000
great speaker writer Marcos Brunet, known
with all his band, comes to

1547
02:31:33.000 --> 02:31:39.040
take your place in Lucas Corry company
will also be managing and then Benjamin Núñez,

1548
02:31:39.879 --> 02:31:45.200
also a man with a precious and
inspirational word and very important. We

1549
02:31:45.520 --> 02:31:48.799
will be in Reus in Tarragona from
26 to 28 April. Very soon.

1550
02:31:50.600 --> 02:31:54.360
You can still sign up too and
tie will be with us, it will

1551
02:31:54.360 --> 02:31:56.239
also be with us. He says
no I come to you just to be

1552
02:31:56.239 --> 02:31:58.840
yes, but we go to him. We have to take advantage of it

1553
02:32:00.559 --> 02:32:01.559
a little, a little, a
little bit of the juice. He'

1554
02:32:01.559 --> 02:32:07.399
s gonna hit us and then he' s gonna be with us and it

1555
02:32:07.399 --> 02:32:09.440
' s gonna be you. You
can enter the page. You go up

1556
02:32:09.559 --> 02:32:13.360
double point until he comes point is
and there are modalities that come to the

1557
02:32:13.360 --> 02:32:18.360
Precongress. If that' s pastor
or pastor elder leader, if you'

1558
02:32:18.440 --> 02:32:22.440
re a front- line leader,
you can come from Thursday afternoon until Friday

1559
02:32:22.959 --> 02:32:28.920
morning and then Congress for everyone.
Twenty- six to the twenty- eight

1560
02:32:28.000 --> 02:32:35.280
of Friday afternoon until Sunday after lunch
we concentrate there in the pavilion of the

1561
02:32:35.440 --> 02:32:39.719
giant fire and we have a concert
party also with everything that team take your

1562
02:32:39.799 --> 02:32:43.159
place Saturday night and you have to
enjoy it and make the most of it.

1563
02:32:43.399 --> 02:32:46.680
It' s time for truth and
til and now. The truth is

1564
02:32:46.799 --> 02:32:52.239
that we cannot seize opportunities like this
truth. That' s right, see

1565
02:32:52.479 --> 02:32:58.639
you there July very eagerly. I
embrace you with affection and encourage everyone who

1566
02:32:58.719 --> 02:33:05.520
' s listening to this and they
say I don' t have enough time

1567
02:33:05.520 --> 02:33:11.120
to organize Look. If you feel
like getting out, time is worth cancelling

1568
02:33:11.479 --> 02:33:18.239
some other engagement and attending this divine
appointment, God is calling us as a

1569
02:33:18.399 --> 02:33:22.600
church to be pioneers of his second
avenue. That' s right, dear,

1570
02:33:22.719 --> 02:33:24.239
my friend, I' m sending
you a big hug and tie.

1571
02:33:24.280 --> 02:33:37.280
We hug shortly, see you soon, boy, until he comes, until

1572
02:33:37.399 --> 02:33:43.879
what. Today closer than ever,
we invite you to the second edition of

1573
02:33:43.000 --> 02:33:50.200
this Interdenominational Congress aimed at the whole
Body of Christ in Spain and Europe,

1574
02:33:50.399 --> 02:33:54.520
which will take place from 26 to
28 April in the Fira de Reus,

1575
02:33:54.920 --> 02:34:03.600
Tarragona. With us will be the
international speakers Mariano se Igual, Benjamin Núñez

1576
02:34:03.760 --> 02:34:15.799
and Marcos Brunet. All wan mue
your beloved goods we pramado for more information.

1577
02:34:16.120 --> 02:34:22.040
You can enter our wwwwww site until
he comes. Point is to write

1578
02:34:22.360 --> 02:34:26.639
to the six about six eight,
eight, one, five, seven,

1579
02:34:28.239 --> 02:34:31.520
one, six hundred, sixteen,
eight hundred, eighty- one, five

1580
02:34:31.799 --> 02:34:37.520
hundred seventy- one and consult prices
and registration modalities. Don' t miss

1581
02:34:37.639 --> 02:34:43.200
the opportunity to participate in this great
call until he comes. Until he comes.

1582
02:34:43.120 --> 02:35:00.280
Odea prunes home rodlas before your glory, bay bu pramado Friday and everything

1583
02:35:00.440 --> 02:35:33.399
or José vera you travel on the
train of life. Well, ladies and

1584
02:35:33.639 --> 02:35:39.319
gentlemen, and allow me, good
day, because we are from Barcelona in

1585
02:35:39.079 --> 02:35:46.520
Catalonia and we have news, because
the USA is a celebration for all the

1586
02:35:46.639 --> 02:35:50.399
evangelical people, all the Protestant people
in Spain. The inauguration at last,

1587
02:35:50.479 --> 02:35:56.680
already after so much work and so
long projecting a magnificent design that has attracted

1588
02:35:56.680 --> 02:36:03.920
the attention of the avant- garde
architects also for its avant- garde design,

1589
02:36:05.360 --> 02:36:07.239
is worth the redundancy of the Evangelic
Hospital. We called him the new

1590
02:36:07.280 --> 02:36:11.879
Evangelic Hospital, but it is the
Evangelic Hospital in Barcelona and also in Spain.

1591
02:36:13.200 --> 02:36:16.959
And there we have your Director General, Reyes Gualda, who is going

1592
02:36:16.040 --> 02:36:20.680
to explain to us a little bit
how things are. Good morning, Reyes,

1593
02:36:20.719 --> 02:36:26.680
good morning, Julio, delighted to
be here with you. Well,

1594
02:36:26.840 --> 02:36:31.120
finally, at last, the dream
has come true, right, yes,

1595
02:36:31.520 --> 02:36:37.440
yes, almost three years ago of
constructions. It has burned us a lot,

1596
02:36:37.719 --> 02:36:43.760
but well, at last we have
a new hospital that is beautiful,

1597
02:36:45.079 --> 02:36:48.680
as you said, It has more
than ten thousand meters, two hundred beds

1598
02:36:50.040 --> 02:36:54.120
and we are very proud to inaugurate
shortly. On the 13th of next Saturday

1599
02:36:54.280 --> 02:37:01.120
we move our outbuildings on Camelias Street
to a new hospital or is located in

1600
02:37:01.200 --> 02:37:05.799
the lied. A very innovative area
of Barcelona has been stolen. Yes,

1601
02:37:05.000 --> 02:37:13.000
yes, it is the area,
the area that is growing where many companies

1602
02:37:13.040 --> 02:37:20.719
are installing, especially technological. Modern
Barcelona more than contemporary. Well, then,

1603
02:37:22.840 --> 02:37:28.200
what are the services now that he
offers the Evangelic Hospital of the city

1604
02:37:28.239 --> 02:37:33.799
of Barcelona in this new stage,
because Julio looks before explaining that services.

1605
02:37:35.559 --> 02:37:41.520
I would like all listeners to understand
what kind of hospital you are and I

1606
02:37:41.559 --> 02:37:48.879
wanted to expect that we are a
hospital specialized in the recovery of fragile people

1607
02:37:48.959 --> 02:37:56.360
who have several chronic diseases and make
them very vulnerable to any health problems that

1608
02:37:56.479 --> 02:38:01.360
have happened, because it causes a
great deterioration in them, both physically and

1609
02:38:01.440 --> 02:38:03.760
often also at the cognitive level,
is to locate the type of hospital that

1610
02:38:03.760 --> 02:38:09.239
we are. So, this is
a hospital called an intermediate care hospital.

1611
02:38:11.159 --> 02:38:15.799
It is something that this concept,
I think it is unknown, goes to

1612
02:38:16.239 --> 02:38:20.840
unknown to the ordinary citizen and is
called some reasons why it is called intermediate.

1613
02:38:20.920 --> 02:38:26.399
It is because it is in this
intermediate period between that it is that

1614
02:38:26.479 --> 02:38:31.239
I give them a hospital and you
return home, because this type of people,

1615
02:38:31.479 --> 02:38:37.280
who usually coincide with people are older, their recovery is quite slow and

1616
02:38:37.360 --> 02:38:41.040
require a stay in hospital after the
hospital. So it is this time between

1617
02:38:41.319 --> 02:38:46.879
a person leaving the hospital, returning
home or returning to the residence where he

1618
02:38:46.159 --> 02:38:56.159
lived. That kind of medicine we
make, that' s specialized in these

1619
02:38:56.200 --> 02:39:03.200
kind of people. The three key
axes is a very integral vision of the

1620
02:39:03.319 --> 02:39:09.399
person, a vision that not only
affects the physical part, being also the

1621
02:39:09.840 --> 02:39:13.280
emotional part, the psychological part,
the spiritual part, also the focus.

1622
02:39:16.600 --> 02:39:22.639
As it is supersounds that have many
basic pathologies or more generally more than four,

1623
02:39:22.680 --> 02:39:28.760
it requires an approach or a treatment
of their situation from a very multidisciplinary

1624
02:39:28.840 --> 02:39:35.760
point of view, which involves doctors, nurses, occupational plautas pisios, psychologists,

1625
02:39:37.159 --> 02:39:43.000
social workers and with everything, the
team. The third key of this

1626
02:39:43.040 --> 02:39:48.200
kind of attention that is designed an
individual plan for each person to be able

1627
02:39:48.280 --> 02:39:54.399
to recover and achieve the objectives of
returning home, of doing the road again

1628
02:39:54.399 --> 02:39:58.399
day by day, of being autonomous, etcetera. So this is the type

1629
02:39:58.440 --> 02:40:05.399
of the hospital and within this guy' s hospital our services, because we

1630
02:40:05.399 --> 02:40:09.079
have both partner of its spiralization and
outpatient hospitalization services. We have, as

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02:40:09.120 --> 02:40:15.040
I said before, two hundred beds
divided into units of supuds. It is.

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02:40:15.159 --> 02:40:22.440
When a patient pays for emergencies,
he has just been diagnosed and already

1633
02:40:22.440 --> 02:40:28.639
from the emergency room, he goes
directly to our hospital for treatment, which

1634
02:40:28.719 --> 02:40:33.159
can last between eight or ten days. Then we have the functional recovery unit,

1635
02:40:33.520 --> 02:40:39.079
which are for febook fractures another type
of fractures that must be very intensive

1636
02:40:39.680 --> 02:40:48.000
decentration in rehabitation. We don'
t also have a long- stay unit

1637
02:40:48.040 --> 02:40:50.760
that already has a patient. There
it can be, because more days about

1638
02:40:50.879 --> 02:40:56.440
a hundred days that are shelves in
which the cures, which are complex and

1639
02:40:56.559 --> 02:41:03.280
take a long time, the patient
in or that redefined and then we also

1640
02:41:03.840 --> 02:41:11.280
have a unit of pure valiatives that
what is sought is comfort and that the

1641
02:41:11.360 --> 02:41:18.680
patient is painless in the last days
of his life. On the other hand,

1642
02:41:18.079 --> 02:41:24.719
we also have at the outpatient level
a therapeutic day hospital that we have

1643
02:41:24.840 --> 02:41:37.680
about thirty pests to make both functional
and cognitive realizations and specialized geriatric consultations in

1644
02:41:37.719 --> 02:41:41.879
the near future. What we are
going to do is we are going to

1645
02:41:43.079 --> 02:41:48.159
expand the hospital beyond what are the
four walls and we are going to do

1646
02:41:48.799 --> 02:41:54.159
home care and home care also to
the same type of patient profile that we

1647
02:41:54.280 --> 02:41:56.600
have and there is a project,
which is a very innovative project in the

1648
02:41:56.680 --> 02:42:03.600
city of Barcelona, which we are
going to do together with the professional is

1649
02:42:03.719 --> 02:42:07.280
LIX, which is the ninth Catalan
health situation, and we are going to

1650
02:42:07.360 --> 02:42:13.600
make a community unit of fragility.
I also want to specify that we are

1651
02:42:13.680 --> 02:42:24.680
a hospital is a private foundation of
Christian values and we offer public service,

1652
02:42:24.520 --> 02:42:31.440
so we work hand in hand with
all public health resources. I' ve

1653
02:42:31.840 --> 02:42:37.399
explained myself little extensive, but no, but happy every time the kind of

1654
02:42:37.559 --> 02:42:41.280
specialists you' ve perfectly updated us
and besides, you know, we celebrate.

1655
02:42:41.280 --> 02:42:50.399
I also celebrate clearly we spoke with
different health and professional means and this

1656
02:42:50.399 --> 02:42:56.440
type of intermediate care hospitals is deficient
in Barcelona, that is, it means

1657
02:42:56.959 --> 02:43:01.959
that there are few yes places attended. This type of uchas is deficient.

1658
02:43:01.120 --> 02:43:07.079
Yeah, yeah, that' s
why it' s one, it'

1659
02:43:07.200 --> 02:43:09.440
s an offer, it' s
a proposal coming up. It is covering

1660
02:43:09.520 --> 02:43:16.799
a great need in this kind of
intermediate assistance between transitions that is not usual

1661
02:43:18.360 --> 02:43:24.399
and I think it is a great
service and that audacity also to discover a

1662
02:43:24.399 --> 02:43:30.680
need. Of course, because of
the rest there are many proposals. Obviously

1663
02:43:30.799 --> 02:43:35.479
not, but in this case it
has. And more, how' s

1664
02:43:35.600 --> 02:43:39.360
our society going? We don'
t have more and more older people in

1665
02:43:39.360 --> 02:43:43.440
society. He thinks that by two
thousand and thirty, twenty- five percent

1666
02:43:43.479 --> 02:43:50.399
of the society will be over sixty- five years old. I mean,

1667
02:43:50.959 --> 02:43:56.959
we have a society that good people
live for many years. It is positive,

1668
02:43:56.639 --> 02:44:03.760
no, but also that the approach
to health needs to be adapted and

1669
02:44:03.399 --> 02:44:09.719
I believe that we have an evangelical
hospital that manages these kinds of needs.

1670
02:44:09.200 --> 02:44:15.479
It' s something of great value
to society. In the end, it

1671
02:44:15.559 --> 02:44:22.239
is a necessity in an increase and
I think we are in the place that

1672
02:44:22.360 --> 02:44:26.079
also touch the vision. The vision
of having a health approach is not so

1673
02:44:26.239 --> 02:44:35.440
specific. If you' re young, you have an offender, you go

1674
02:44:35.440 --> 02:44:41.959
to a hospital, they diagnose you, and there' s a protocol that

1675
02:44:41.079 --> 02:44:43.360
' s more than evidence that works
and they apply it to you. Instead,

1676
02:44:43.719 --> 02:44:50.079
when we talk about older people who
have different pathologies, the approach gets

1677
02:44:50.280 --> 02:45:00.000
complicated because what is good for pneumonia, in the end you get rid of

1678
02:45:00.079 --> 02:45:07.639
that other thing and that complexity managed
from the respective holistic integral is what I

1679
02:45:07.760 --> 02:45:15.280
think is richer and I am happy
to be able to dedicate myself to working

1680
02:45:15.360 --> 02:45:20.600
in a hospital with that holistic vision. Yes, yes, and the truth

1681
02:45:20.719 --> 02:45:24.479
another of the things, among others, that have been striking by what we

1682
02:45:24.680 --> 02:45:31.239
are seeing and reading even the secular
media, the Evangeli Hospital, which until

1683
02:45:31.280 --> 02:45:35.399
now was the no, but it
is new, but it is the Evangeli

1684
02:45:35.399 --> 02:45:39.040
Hospital. It has been praised by
many for its original architecture. What is

1685
02:45:39.120 --> 02:45:43.159
in Barcelona' s landscaping and this
is the truth, is that it is

1686
02:45:43.360 --> 02:45:48.479
very peculiar. And that too,
because it is a plus of call attention,

1687
02:45:48.760 --> 02:45:56.600
at least to the observer. Yeah, or we had to. We

1688
02:45:56.639 --> 02:46:00.000
have built on a plot that is
public, that and that had a fault,

1689
02:46:01.639 --> 02:46:07.760
that is catalogued and, therefore,
we have built six floors, combining

1690
02:46:07.879 --> 02:46:13.959
them with a historical facade that were
the former garages of the metropolitan transports of

1691
02:46:13.959 --> 02:46:22.040
Barcelona. The architects we select for
the project are the architects very specialized in

1692
02:46:24.479 --> 02:46:30.360
healthcare. They do many hospitals and
they also have many awards and they have

1693
02:46:30.600 --> 02:46:37.319
done a great project. The façade
combines very well with the surroundings. It

1694
02:46:37.360 --> 02:46:46.280
has different green colors that simulate the
trees and when the plants go up,

1695
02:46:48.200 --> 02:46:54.879
the building becomes more white, blue
and also grayish. Simulating the clouds of

1696
02:46:54.959 --> 02:47:03.680
Barcelona, it simulates very well what
is a landscape of Barcelona. It is

1697
02:47:03.760 --> 02:47:09.079
also located in a horite area and
allows in all rooms that all have lots

1698
02:47:09.879 --> 02:47:16.760
of light. A lot of light
is made a design that optimizes the visual

1699
02:47:16.879 --> 02:47:20.360
contact with the outside, as it
also coincides that it is exterior. It

1700
02:47:20.479 --> 02:47:26.360
is one of the first superillas of
Barcelona, which is an environment, since

1701
02:47:26.440 --> 02:47:30.600
it is very clear and beautiful.
Yes, the truth is that we had

1702
02:47:30.600 --> 02:47:35.879
made it clear, we have also
taken advantage of the latest technologies in terms

1703
02:47:35.920 --> 02:47:43.239
of sustainability and we were very clear
that we wanted to build a hospital that

1704
02:47:43.280 --> 02:47:50.360
was perceived by patients and families that
we serve as very human and very welcoming,

1705
02:47:50.360 --> 02:47:52.239
and that we have. I think
we' ve made it. Also

1706
02:47:52.280 --> 02:47:58.559
talk about works of art. We
have cession of the Corts family, the

1707
02:47:58.680 --> 02:48:03.440
cono art works of Johanns and some
other artists, so it is also a

1708
02:48:03.479 --> 02:48:09.200
space in which we will eat art
and health. That' s nice,

1709
02:48:09.479 --> 02:48:13.600
that' s original, and that' s nice, too. I'

1710
02:48:13.639 --> 02:48:18.120
ve discovered and I think that many
of us have realized that you' ve

1711
02:48:18.159 --> 02:48:22.760
given him a lot of love.
In addition to the novelty, so desired

1712
02:48:22.799 --> 02:48:28.760
and desired by all the evangelical people, the Protestant people, the populace protesting

1713
02:48:28.639 --> 02:48:33.840
Catalonia and Spain also, as it
is not one in any way, is

1714
02:48:35.000 --> 02:48:41.200
a flagship book the evangelical hospital.
True, yes, yes, well,

1715
02:48:41.440 --> 02:48:48.159
may it become. There is also
another thing that is also important that we

1716
02:48:48.879 --> 02:48:54.520
know that we are the first to
design a double room with the opposite beds.

1717
02:48:56.479 --> 02:49:00.760
This allows both patients who are in
the same room to see the outside,

1718
02:49:01.959 --> 02:49:07.079
even though they can run the curtain, that is, it works with

1719
02:49:07.079 --> 02:49:11.639
two curtains and they can both see
the exterior and what is the design of

1720
02:49:11.680 --> 02:49:18.520
the room, two individual rooms with
those participate and this has been visited we

1721
02:49:18.559 --> 02:49:24.280
have passed many visits by other hospitals
that are proposing reforms or that are doing

1722
02:49:24.360 --> 02:49:31.879
new work to evaluate so to follow
this model. And now the next hospital

1723
02:49:31.959 --> 02:49:35.120
he' s going to do,
which is a mental health whistle in Barcelona,

1724
02:49:35.719 --> 02:49:39.840
and so on this model. So
we' re very happy that we

1725
02:49:41.319 --> 02:49:45.799
' ve changed the way the service
is going to be provided in these types

1726
02:49:45.840 --> 02:49:50.840
of double rooms, because it changes
a lot for the patient. The possibilities

1727
02:49:50.879 --> 02:49:58.120
offered by this room are much wider
than those of a traditional room. They

1728
02:49:58.159 --> 02:50:05.239
also have separate lights. One patient
from the other two televisions is a grey

1729
02:50:05.319 --> 02:50:13.760
is like a higher level of double
action. As for volunteers and also apart

1730
02:50:13.959 --> 02:50:18.159
from the volunteers of the Evangelic Hospital
and more, in this new stage there

1731
02:50:18.159 --> 02:50:26.440
is also a call for the solidarity
of volunteers that can give an important and

1732
02:50:26.159 --> 02:50:33.760
clear role for us volunteers. It' s part of our DNA. Our

1733
02:50:35.600 --> 02:50:41.440
mission is to offer, is to
provide physical, emotional and spiritual well-

1734
02:50:41.639 --> 02:50:46.040
being with a model of attention,
a tape to the person. And this,

1735
02:50:46.360 --> 02:50:48.440
in order to get this out,
is very important the work that volunteers

1736
02:50:48.479 --> 02:50:54.879
do, for volunteers who can spend
time and offer their affection at the foot

1737
02:50:56.040 --> 02:51:01.639
of bed so few famous of time
all, because that is very, very,

1738
02:51:01.920 --> 02:51:05.000
very important to patients and to table
a song with them and get to

1739
02:51:05.079 --> 02:51:09.120
know them more thoroughly, make them
feel they have value. All this is

1740
02:51:09.920 --> 02:51:15.479
a plus that without the volunteers we
couldn' t make it. Then it

1741
02:51:15.559 --> 02:51:18.840
is necessary that we have and I
give a ride to whoever wants to volunteer.

1742
02:51:20.520 --> 02:51:31.399
There are many options to be able
to offer help, from accompanying patients

1743
02:51:31.600 --> 02:51:37.159
to medical visits outside our hospital,
that accompaniment that before also told them the

1744
02:51:39.200 --> 02:51:45.319
spiritual accompaniment for those volunteers who are
well prepared in this field. Well,

1745
02:51:45.479 --> 02:51:48.920
the truth is, the fan is
very wide and yes, the truth is.

1746
02:51:48.079 --> 02:51:54.040
If someone who hears this message wants
to be part of our type of

1747
02:51:54.120 --> 02:52:00.719
volunteers, then that enters the web
and contact us there is a contact tab

1748
02:52:00.799 --> 02:52:07.959
and we have more information than values
and can really be a site where it

1749
02:52:07.079 --> 02:52:13.680
can be developed. That' s
his magnificent volunteer. We' ve asked

1750
02:52:13.760 --> 02:52:18.719
for moves, but really? I
don' t want to ask for more,

1751
02:52:20.559 --> 02:52:24.520
because it' s so successful that
we have over a hundred volunteers,

1752
02:52:24.000 --> 02:52:31.760
that is, we' re going
to assign one volunteer per patient, that

1753
02:52:31.600 --> 02:52:39.319
' s almost really been a great
satisfaction of all those who have wanted to

1754
02:52:39.719 --> 02:52:45.479
come together to get there how nice
this speaks of the collective illusion that also

1755
02:52:45.600 --> 02:52:45.799
in the evangelical people ay for this
hospital that is at the service of all.

1756
02:52:46.239 --> 02:52:50.719
Of course, nothing more would be
missing clear than yes, but only

1757
02:52:50.799 --> 02:52:58.159
in a summarized way for our listeners
who have incorporated themselves and are somewhat unaware

1758
02:52:58.360 --> 02:53:05.399
of the existence of the Evangelic Hospital
of Barcelona and at this very new age,

1759
02:53:05.600 --> 02:53:09.520
the historical origins of the Evangeli Hospital
in the city of Barcelona, which

1760
02:53:09.559 --> 02:53:16.000
are very interesting medium, even when
there were few care facilities one of them

1761
02:53:16.079 --> 02:53:18.760
was the Evangeli Hospital in its time
as a dispensary that later became a hospital.

1762
02:53:18.879 --> 02:53:30.079
True, yes, it goes back
to 1, 800 seventy- nine

1763
02:53:30.200 --> 02:53:37.680
hundred and forty- five years we
are a hospital or one of the oldest

1764
02:53:37.680 --> 02:53:41.719
thousands in Barcelona. Together with Sanpao, I mean, we have a very

1765
02:53:41.920 --> 02:53:46.840
beautiful downhill trajectory. Of course,
Angel Hospital and Cornace for a need for

1766
02:53:46.959 --> 02:53:56.239
the evangelists to be treated in a
correct way in the health centers that at

1767
02:53:56.239 --> 02:54:03.399
that time were all basically Catholics and
there was discrimination for the evangelicals. Of

1768
02:54:03.479 --> 02:54:09.879
course this has changed a lot over
time. That was its beginning there is

1769
02:54:09.959 --> 02:54:16.040
that a free hospital was opened that
catered to all kinds of people, regardless

1770
02:54:16.159 --> 02:54:22.239
of their faith and on equal terms
then, of course, it was a

1771
02:54:22.319 --> 02:54:30.719
hospital that was supported, helped by
international funds and became a high- tech

1772
02:54:30.760 --> 02:54:37.440
hospital, in which it was state- of- the- art and had

1773
02:54:37.440 --> 02:54:41.479
a lot of prestige. Then,
already with the Spanish Civil War, because

1774
02:54:41.520 --> 02:54:43.920
it already became a field hospital,
to be a habit point, habitation for

1775
02:54:45.360 --> 02:54:50.479
children and older people, that gave
milk, street people, food and then

1776
02:54:50.760 --> 02:55:00.319
had to yield because of a political
depression, to the foreign gatherings and it

1777
02:55:00.360 --> 02:55:07.559
was the hospital of the foreign colonies. And at the death of the Frank

1778
02:55:07.159 --> 02:55:13.959
and with religious freedom, he gave
himself back to the pathonate of the evangelical

1779
02:55:15.040 --> 02:55:24.319
churches and was once again a hospital, to the evangelical hospital. We have

1780
02:55:26.239 --> 02:55:30.719
already reached a stage in which,
because of the reform of public health,

1781
02:55:31.239 --> 02:55:35.639
a concert was reached with the evangelical
hospital and since nineteen hundred and seventy-

1782
02:55:35.959 --> 02:55:43.440
six also makes public health and grace
private health. And lately, because we

1783
02:55:43.879 --> 02:55:50.200
have moved to make a center of
internal evidence of the many years and now

1784
02:55:50.440 --> 02:55:54.799
we inaugurate new stage, a new
building two thousand twenty- four. Yeah,

1785
02:55:56.319 --> 02:56:01.000
exactly good. We' re practically
in the opening this month, aren

1786
02:56:01.000 --> 02:56:05.520
' t we? Yeah, yeah. The transfer is next weekend. As

1787
02:56:05.600 --> 02:56:11.159
for openings, we plan to do
them after the transfer, so that we

1788
02:56:11.200 --> 02:56:16.520
are there, we are all already
evolving the whole hospital in a normal way.

1789
02:56:18.120 --> 02:56:22.840
Think that not only do we have
to make a transfer, which is

1790
02:56:22.879 --> 02:56:28.719
the traditional grangélic hospital that you know
on Camelia Street, but that in the

1791
02:56:28.840 --> 02:56:33.040
last two years we have expanded and
now we have patients in other hospitals,

1792
02:56:33.200 --> 02:56:37.559
we have patients in the hospital of
Hope. We have two floors from there,

1793
02:56:37.120 --> 02:56:43.239
so first we move the patients from
Camelias Street and then we move a

1794
02:56:43.520 --> 02:56:46.920
few weeks later, week and mediate
the patients in Hope. So, when

1795
02:56:46.959 --> 02:56:52.040
we' re all together there,
we' ll do the openings. We

1796
02:56:52.079 --> 02:56:58.399
plan to make four, that is
to say, openings, the first with

1797
02:56:58.479 --> 02:57:03.479
the staff, with our professionals,
the second with the angelic people, which

1798
02:57:03.600 --> 02:57:11.440
is a time to be able to
celebrate and we want to do it,

1799
02:57:15.559 --> 02:57:22.120
because in our style, really in
a time of participation and of so great

1800
02:57:22.440 --> 02:57:31.000
years, And then we will also
give after the elections, we will make

1801
02:57:31.200 --> 02:57:35.920
a good opening that participates in the
politicians and also the sector that directs us,

1802
02:57:35.920 --> 02:57:37.200
let' s say in the field
of health. And finally, we

1803
02:57:37.200 --> 02:57:43.639
want to do an open day with
the neighborhood, with the neighbors and be

1804
02:57:43.879 --> 02:57:48.360
there to let us know how beautiful, how beautiful it will be. Moreover,

1805
02:57:48.399 --> 02:57:52.120
and it is also intelligent to do
so after the elections, because now

1806
02:57:52.200 --> 02:57:58.719
well, as they are in all
the political discourse and not to be told,

1807
02:57:58.000 --> 02:58:03.719
let us say that the Evangelis are
a hospital for everyone, for all

1808
02:58:03.200 --> 02:58:09.719
the citizens and at the service of
all the people of Barcelona and of the

1809
02:58:09.719 --> 02:58:13.360
people of Catalonia, of course,
and of course not by extension towards the

1810
02:58:13.360 --> 02:58:18.200
Spanish people. But kings, besides
celebrating it that we celebrate it above all

1811
02:58:18.280 --> 02:58:26.159
as an evangelical people, for it
is Protestant. What we can bring evangelical

1812
02:58:26.479 --> 02:58:33.639
believers and the evangelical churches of Catalonia
to the Evangelic Hospital in this new stage.

1813
02:58:33.040 --> 02:58:41.600
What can be our benign and positive
contribution, because I already believe that

1814
02:58:41.639 --> 02:58:46.520
what we can contribute today to the
churches and also in the hospital itself a

1815
02:58:46.799 --> 02:58:56.280
rapprochement, to provide more information with
our part and to create interest in knowing

1816
02:58:56.559 --> 02:59:05.079
what we do And I would tell
you without interest and be identification with a

1817
02:59:05.520 --> 02:59:09.440
work that aims to care for people
and manage people and fulfill the mission that

1818
02:59:09.479 --> 02:59:15.840
we have all received. So what
I would tell you is that identification with

1819
02:59:15.920 --> 02:59:20.719
mission and this interest and, of
course, a commitment to prayer and volunteering.

1820
02:59:26.639 --> 02:59:33.360
Anyone who wants to help us on
a recurring basis is welcome and even

1821
02:59:33.360 --> 02:59:39.120
volunteers. Perhaps they are different from
traditional and professional lawyers or communication experts or

1822
02:59:39.479 --> 02:59:46.520
other types of profiles that help us
to make the Angelic spice recognized to us

1823
02:59:46.559 --> 02:59:54.840
that we can communicate abroad not only
the affection we put to things, but

1824
02:59:54.920 --> 03:00:05.120
the professionalism with which we want to
alternate and every day is improved. Well,

1825
03:00:05.239 --> 03:00:09.680
well, it is also clear,
the establishment of professionals, this very

1826
03:00:09.799 --> 03:00:18.280
first level of the Evangelic Hospital how
it has always been characterized, even in

1827
03:00:18.360 --> 03:00:22.280
its old stage. Now what happens
is that it is also a relaunch in

1828
03:00:22.399 --> 03:00:28.799
a version already avant- garde for
the design that is striking. It is

1829
03:00:28.959 --> 03:00:33.840
kindly striking and, moreover, because
of the novelty of a bet to the

1830
03:00:33.959 --> 03:00:39.280
day of modernity, of a series
of accents that, therefore, has more

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updated. Obviously, one step forward. And well, and it' s

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a badge buoki for the city and
also for the whole evangelical people, because

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we' re there, it'
s worth asking you to be like we

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already saw we opened our professionals by
April, we already have them, but

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the truth is that yes, we' re always looking for nurses, looking

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for doctors. And the truth if
from the evangelical people wanted to enter the

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hospital to work and to conceive that
this is an issue point, because it

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would also be very interesting, of
course, entering the website. They can

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contact you directly professionals. And so
much and so much, yes, yes,

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yes surely that in other parts of
Spain there will be interesting professional people

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that there are to see them,
those, there are and are not so

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few indigenous as many Latin Americans who
are professionals of medicine and that we,

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I, for example, in our
own churches, in Spain, in forty

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and so many churches Britania, we
have medical professionals and surely some would like

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to think about the Evangeli Hospital and
Barcelona. But in any case, we

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make this public appeal. Also of
course, if you enter the website of

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the Hospital Evangelic of Barcelona, all
the information mesh, yes, dear kings

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and you have something more to add, because already I will leave you because

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you have work, but it is
this part of the time that you have

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dedicated to us and the thanks personally
of polio. Of course, then,

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with great pleasure kings that we give
at your disposal this is always your station

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and, of course, your home. I also send you a very affectionate

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greeting. Chao Chaocho Hello, socrayes
Walda, director Sanadalda to the very good

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groups instance Avanteli. I am Dr
Jesús Alburquerque, director of the Hospital de

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Evangeli de Barcelona, Ans famul Faliss
announced the official traciada way of maco plano,

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have lent them to me in curantas
hooks thanks. The new facilities make

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up a hospital not an innovative,
functional and minting construction. You' ve

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also given a thousand square meters,
distributed large hospital plants and action and two

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in git. We want to welcome
you to our new rehabilitation hospital, friendly

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and human. Every detail has been
designed to ensure the patient' s best

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experience and community environment. We welcome
you to this new innovative building in the

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city of Barcelona. A hospital of
parmeyudaldas kans sañad, some ford and the

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emotional statue of the person each floor
of an external jar fined yum a reactivated

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ginna and a spice communints amplis and
hewn in place works, give partc the

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difficult to enrich and stimulate the recovery
to the pacien some double and individual rooms,

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designed to facilitate to the maximum the
recovery of the patient and his well

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- being. The team of professions
at your service or s o r develop

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their work better thanks to the innovative
one available to the different elements, such

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as the new placement of the beds
or the attenuated functioning of the lights not

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performed in building a difficult sustanipla and
respectuos call media bien or gives show typus

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certificat gives to the missions dateo two, the installation to photool tikas plates and

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the connections to the sharsis of the
twenty- two steal an, concrete to

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the pneumatic collection of arras ilus and
to the thermal that provides you igua freda

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and calenta. We finally reached the
phoenix of this project. It has been

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months and months to devise, build
and equip the new building. We are

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facing a historic moment of our entity. We invite you to be a witness

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to this new stage in the Evangelly
Hospital in Barcelona for themos months organize the

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plat transit pargar in front of an
agile and a hundred- year- old

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sau process. It is an opportunity
mesda collaboration in transtechnic profascidas to the hospital

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integrated voluntari and also pascien you aspara
that thanks to everyone, plagues to the

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transjatsto your nexit. We look forward
to sharing this special hospital with you at

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the Avantelec Hospital in Barcelona. If
you want to visit our website wwwwww.

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The train of life. The train
of life evangelical churches a place of peace

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and friendship. You can freely attend
the nearest evangelical church in your neighborhood or

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your population. You' ll be
very welcome.