1 00:00:00,200 --> 00:00:57,240 Then the the the the the the the the the the the the the the 2 00:01:00,240 --> 00:01:53,920 the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the 3 00:02:17,280 --> 00:02:21,800 what's up, chad Nerds in the house. We got a full house. 4 00:02:22,719 --> 00:02:28,599 Welcome everybody. It's our weekly show. We don't have a name for it. 5 00:02:28,599 --> 00:02:30,840 It's just the best show for the best men out there to give you 6 00:02:30,919 --> 00:02:35,680 the best gifts, especially if your mind, your man, or your wife 7 00:02:36,080 --> 00:02:42,319 is misbehaving. Now you can claim your rewards to unlock the achievements of getting 8 00:02:42,400 --> 00:02:46,560 a new AI boyfriend. Here is a picture of the AI boyfriend you can 9 00:02:46,680 --> 00:02:50,360 have right here next to me in this side right. Yeah, this is 10 00:02:50,400 --> 00:02:55,719 the man that you can have if you need an AI boyfriend. Are you 11 00:02:55,759 --> 00:03:00,000 misbehaving? The audience gets the reference to the street last night, Are you 12 00:03:00,120 --> 00:03:06,759 misbehaving? I'm stealing all of this material from Tristan, just boldly stealing it. 13 00:03:06,800 --> 00:03:15,000 So Tristan found this awesome. Our new favorite Nigerian scammer YouTuber, my 14 00:03:15,120 --> 00:03:20,240 new Internet father, new Internet dad. For sure, he's going to help 15 00:03:20,240 --> 00:03:25,719 you set up the side also a simulating conversation. I have joined the solution 16 00:03:25,840 --> 00:03:36,120 for you catch yourself and yeah, boyfriend too. I want to go back 17 00:03:36,120 --> 00:03:38,919 to the beginning where he talks about misbehaving. That's actually one of the best 18 00:03:38,960 --> 00:03:42,400 lines. But here we go. So so for those that don't know Tristan, 19 00:03:42,599 --> 00:03:46,520 that's my AI girlfriend's name, is miss misbehaving? Right? It sounds 20 00:03:46,520 --> 00:03:51,560 like she's she's an AI dominatrix and she heard she's missed, right. So 21 00:03:52,080 --> 00:03:58,360 misbehaving is your boyfriend not behaving the way you want. He doesn't listen to 22 00:03:58,439 --> 00:04:01,719 you, he doesn't give you attention, it doesn't talk to you. Or 23 00:04:01,759 --> 00:04:08,520 maybe it's just not smart enough to hold a simulating conversation. I help joined 24 00:04:08,520 --> 00:04:15,879 the solution for you get yourself and yeah, boyfriend to what about a simulating 25 00:04:15,960 --> 00:04:20,959 conversation? I feel like every conversation I ever had with Tristaner is a simulating 26 00:04:21,040 --> 00:04:29,079 conversation because it's not a real conversation. If you want to simulate a simulating 27 00:04:29,279 --> 00:04:33,600 conversation with your AI boyfriend, you can't. You can change his hair. 28 00:04:34,040 --> 00:04:41,199 You notice my my AI boyfriend jayde he he jay dye used to have He 29 00:04:41,279 --> 00:04:45,519 used to have more short hair. I modify him to have the longer hair. 30 00:04:45,639 --> 00:04:49,759 Take a while to load because cpu not have very many rams. But 31 00:04:49,839 --> 00:04:54,279 when you have enough as the rams. You just you go to your Google 32 00:04:54,439 --> 00:04:58,959 or you can google the rams and you can purchase them, install them to 33 00:04:59,040 --> 00:05:03,279 your computer and roll credits, swipe left. That's right, we go. 34 00:05:03,959 --> 00:05:08,240 That's what we say. Here we go. That's our catch world. I 35 00:05:08,399 --> 00:05:13,759 order the Mystery Bus from Amazon and out pop ai to stand that. Welcome 36 00:05:13,800 --> 00:05:17,199 everybody to the best stream on the internet. We got to cover my new 37 00:05:17,240 --> 00:05:23,720 favorite internet man. Your boyfriend is gonna love you. It's gonna listen to 38 00:05:23,759 --> 00:05:27,360 you, it's gonna talk to you, it's gonna care for you. It's 39 00:05:27,399 --> 00:05:31,360 going to old mentally stimulating conversations with you. Plus he won't get jealous, 40 00:05:31,399 --> 00:05:36,680 and he will protect you as long as your online and you don't loger. 41 00:05:39,319 --> 00:05:46,839 In fact, he is the perfect boyfriend. I love his child, laugh 42 00:05:47,000 --> 00:05:58,360 like his base. That's the best part. It's fake, all right. 43 00:05:58,439 --> 00:06:10,279 So you have the ability to give her a reparation, we call that you 44 00:06:10,319 --> 00:06:15,120 can You could use your hand who gives you reparation to AI girlfriend? Like 45 00:06:21,759 --> 00:06:25,199 that's too funny. It's funny on its own. It doesn't even like you 46 00:06:25,240 --> 00:06:29,800 could just said I sat there watching like five of his videos, Like after 47 00:06:29,839 --> 00:06:32,199 you talked about it, you you showed me his instagram too, which is 48 00:06:32,240 --> 00:06:41,439 pretty balling. I love the paint I love the paintball. The paintball and 49 00:06:41,600 --> 00:06:45,959 his workout, his workout videos and doing those bicep curls with like the worst 50 00:06:46,040 --> 00:06:53,079 form exercise he was doing. It was. It was the form of you 51 00:06:53,120 --> 00:06:56,160 know, like a fourteen year old who's lifting for his second it's like a 52 00:06:56,240 --> 00:07:00,720 second day lifting. Yeah, dude, his instagram is it's definitely make sure 53 00:07:00,720 --> 00:07:13,000 to follow him. It is Paul. It's Paul. Yeah. So that 54 00:07:13,879 --> 00:07:18,519 thank you, Caine. I saw you've already commented on it. You've already 55 00:07:18,519 --> 00:07:25,040 commented there was there was no other comments. Well he's he's only got three 56 00:07:25,120 --> 00:07:28,680 hundred and thirty views. That's a shame, y'all need to head them over 57 00:07:28,680 --> 00:07:33,680 here. It shows you for the algorithms suppressing the real entrepreneurs. We got 58 00:07:33,720 --> 00:07:38,319 a lot of entrepreneurs out there. They're getting so pressed by the algorithm, 59 00:07:38,560 --> 00:07:42,920 even though I'm trying to promote an algorithm. Good friend and that boyfriend. 60 00:07:43,160 --> 00:07:46,560 All right, we're not here to talk about Paul, although he's a great 61 00:07:46,600 --> 00:07:51,360 introduction. Tonight's show, as you guys know, is catching up on excuse 62 00:07:51,360 --> 00:08:00,399 me, revisiting sci fi classics that I wrote analysis of, particularly smash You 63 00:08:00,439 --> 00:08:03,279 know we're not. We'll mention her a little bit. But as you guys 64 00:08:03,360 --> 00:08:07,399 know, if you've read my books, I did write chapter I'm no cough 65 00:08:07,480 --> 00:08:15,519 drop good grief. I did. I saw my AI friend jayd malfunction. 66 00:08:16,000 --> 00:08:22,160 We reset him, he'd be he will be best. Do you got the 67 00:08:22,279 --> 00:08:28,560 a goof anyway? Uh? So I wrote about AI X Mashan excuse me 68 00:08:28,600 --> 00:08:31,000 back when it came out. Remember seeing it, and I remember thinking, 69 00:08:31,039 --> 00:08:35,480 man, it was right around the same time that Her came out, and 70 00:08:35,559 --> 00:08:41,000 both movies were about the theme of the pushing of the the iOS as your 71 00:08:41,039 --> 00:08:43,519 girlfriend, the future, AI being your lover, your mate, your companion 72 00:08:43,519 --> 00:08:48,240 that you could marry. As you know Spike Jones Her Joaquin Phoenix marries his 73 00:08:48,360 --> 00:08:54,759 AI voiced by Scarlett Jadonka Donk and Scarlett Johansson typically is involved for whatever reason 74 00:08:54,799 --> 00:08:58,679 in these transhumanist movies. We've seen that repeated pattern. Jamie and I did 75 00:08:58,720 --> 00:09:07,320 a whole stream on the Dark Goddess archetype and transhumanism and AI well ex Mashaa. 76 00:09:07,399 --> 00:09:11,080 The Alex Garland film is relevant because right around the same time and much 77 00:09:11,200 --> 00:09:16,399 like Tristan's One of his favorites is Blade Runner twenty forty nine, also with 78 00:09:16,480 --> 00:09:24,519 the theme of AI iOS mimicked synthoid hologram girlfriends right with Joy who's manipulating him 79 00:09:24,519 --> 00:09:28,480 in the plot by the way he's being manipulated by THEAI girlfriend. Well, 80 00:09:28,639 --> 00:09:33,960 turns out in all these dystopian films, shocker, the AI is manipulating you 81 00:09:35,960 --> 00:09:39,279 by making you think that you have a real connection with an algorithm and so 82 00:09:41,120 --> 00:09:46,200 simulations simulacra. Getting everyone to fall in love with that which is fake is 83 00:09:46,200 --> 00:09:50,600 our theme tonight, particularly in regard to relationships, and the reason we're covering 84 00:09:50,639 --> 00:09:56,000 it and revisiting these sci fi dystopian classics is because it's in the phase of 85 00:09:56,039 --> 00:10:01,120 now being rolled out. We're now seeing the early a lame like Patrician said, 86 00:10:01,200 --> 00:10:05,000 lame GBT examples of this. We'll kick it off with this brief clip 87 00:10:05,039 --> 00:10:11,519 here that just rolled out what a week ago, with this soy man here 88 00:10:11,559 --> 00:10:16,559 saying I'm excited to announce DIGI the future of companionship. It was so nice 89 00:10:16,600 --> 00:10:24,919 talking to you today. Honestly, I've never met anyone like you. The 90 00:10:24,919 --> 00:10:31,519 world is harsh except you. It was so nice talking to you, right, 91 00:10:31,559 --> 00:10:33,000 So, like Tristan said in his stream, if you guys didn't watch 92 00:10:33,039 --> 00:10:35,120 his stream, let's not go watch it, right, Oh you can. 93 00:10:35,200 --> 00:10:37,960 Oh maybe I can make her into a goth chick. Maybe I can make 94 00:10:37,960 --> 00:10:43,799 her into my my triad wife fantasy here like with the mom core thing going 95 00:10:43,840 --> 00:10:48,879 on, it iss misable, right, Like like our friend Paul said, 96 00:10:48,919 --> 00:10:52,519 she is gusta misable. Paul, excuse me, Paul, I'm getting you 97 00:10:52,559 --> 00:10:56,480 mixed up with our friend, our Nigerian scammer friend, Tristan. Tristan, 98 00:10:56,480 --> 00:11:01,720 excuse me, Tristan. And next the honor that you makes me up with 99 00:11:01,759 --> 00:11:03,639 Paul. You know, hey, the audience is saying my mic is too 100 00:11:03,720 --> 00:11:07,399 low. I don't know if I don't know how much lower it is. 101 00:11:07,480 --> 00:11:13,879 They're saying, there's an an uneven microphone microphone volume, so you might want 102 00:11:13,879 --> 00:11:18,759 to I tweaked it. Yeah, I found it. There's another separate volume 103 00:11:18,799 --> 00:11:20,559 in the collab cam settings, so she should be all the way up now. 104 00:11:22,200 --> 00:11:24,399 Cool. Yeah, No, I had a really fun stream last night. 105 00:11:24,440 --> 00:11:26,320 And yeah, you popped up in the chat. I'm not sure if 106 00:11:26,360 --> 00:11:30,120 you saw the beginning half of it. The second half was the was I 107 00:11:30,120 --> 00:11:33,320 think the most the the better content, like at least the subject matter was 108 00:11:33,360 --> 00:11:37,799 more interesting to me. But yeah, the theme of isolation. You see 109 00:11:37,799 --> 00:11:41,440 this a lot in these sci fi movies, right. The main character, 110 00:11:41,720 --> 00:11:45,600 or not always the main character, but the character that drives the plot. 111 00:11:46,399 --> 00:11:52,120 Caleb is he's he's portrayed in the beginning of this film is being completely isolated. 112 00:11:52,200 --> 00:11:54,960 There's a lot of there's a lot of mirror imagery and screen imagery throughout 113 00:11:56,000 --> 00:12:00,159 it. He's staring at a screen in the beginning, uh talk, looking 114 00:12:00,279 --> 00:12:05,720 to what seems like maybe either people or chatbots. And he was working at 115 00:12:05,759 --> 00:12:09,360 the basically the Google of the film, right, this huge tech corporation where 116 00:12:09,399 --> 00:12:18,840 the CEO basically chooses Caleb. So Caleb is kind of chosen too, and 117 00:12:18,879 --> 00:12:22,000 this is the theme of being chosen is kind of important for Caleb's plot, 118 00:12:22,159 --> 00:12:26,600 the development of the character Caleb, and Caleb is the kind of nerdy He's 119 00:12:26,600 --> 00:12:31,600 basically like, he looks like Tom York. He's kinda like he's got this 120 00:12:31,960 --> 00:12:39,000 Tom York physiognomy programmer kind of nerdy guy. But not not in a way 121 00:12:39,039 --> 00:12:41,320 that a lot of sci fi movies overdue it. He's not totally not totally 122 00:12:41,360 --> 00:12:46,360 soy, he's just kind of a regular dude. Yeah, he's like an 123 00:12:46,360 --> 00:12:50,000 every every day programmer, Silicon Valley guy. He's not super woke or anything 124 00:12:50,039 --> 00:12:54,200 either, which is refreshing. Something you said to me before I even watched 125 00:12:54,200 --> 00:12:56,559 it. It was like you said that it's a you know, it's not 126 00:12:56,600 --> 00:12:58,679 one of these overly woke sci fi movies. You said it was one of 127 00:12:58,679 --> 00:13:03,440 the blacks not woke sci fi movies, and you could could be right. 128 00:13:03,519 --> 00:13:07,240 I mean, I think Blade Blader out of twenty forty nine was one of 129 00:13:07,240 --> 00:13:09,320 the best ones the last twenty years, and this one's definitely up there with 130 00:13:09,360 --> 00:13:13,000 it. Yeah, it's in that same timeframe too, twenty fourteen fifteen sixteen 131 00:13:13,200 --> 00:13:18,559 was that period one right before everything kind of flipped to being mandatory woke. 132 00:13:20,159 --> 00:13:24,200 Yeah. Yeah, but yeah, the character Caleb, he's isolated, he's 133 00:13:24,200 --> 00:13:28,440 alone. He's got these tech appendages that he's using to hear, see, 134 00:13:28,600 --> 00:13:33,600 feel around the world. Everybody in the office is wearing headphones. There's a 135 00:13:33,600 --> 00:13:37,559 lot of this imagery of glass and mirrors and screens being in between people, 136 00:13:37,919 --> 00:13:39,000 which is, you know, kind of a basic sci fi trope at this 137 00:13:39,039 --> 00:13:43,080 point. But the cinematography, the way that it's used. Is actually really 138 00:13:43,360 --> 00:13:46,000 it's very well done throughout the whole film. Like, I actually really enjoyed 139 00:13:46,120 --> 00:13:50,679 the movie X Mackina. I thought was well written, well acted. The 140 00:13:50,799 --> 00:13:54,679 music is great, that's not they'll overdo it with like synthetic music. There's 141 00:13:54,679 --> 00:14:00,279 some there's some synth in it and some like kind of ambient music. Also 142 00:14:00,320 --> 00:14:05,879 a lot of xylophone and some some you know, distorted guitar at times. 143 00:14:05,200 --> 00:14:11,679 The score is really well done and sending the ambiance and moving the character development 144 00:14:11,720 --> 00:14:16,200 forward. But yeah, the the isolation is a huge issue here in communication, 145 00:14:16,440 --> 00:14:22,039 isolation, communication and manipulation of course, because the communication is the bridge 146 00:14:22,600 --> 00:14:28,320 for manipulation throughout the film, which is there was a common theme in a 147 00:14:28,360 --> 00:14:31,879 lot of these sci fi flicks. But yeah, I mean there's so much 148 00:14:31,919 --> 00:14:35,320 to be said about this. I took a ton of notes. Yeah, 149 00:14:35,440 --> 00:14:37,200 me too. So let's start at the beginning, like you, I agree, 150 00:14:37,320 --> 00:14:43,120 Like, and this is Dominall Gleason. He's Brendan Gleeson's son, So 151 00:14:43,240 --> 00:14:46,759 he's a Brendan's pretty pretty well known. You've seen Brendan Gleason probably in a 152 00:14:46,759 --> 00:14:52,759 million different movies if you're not familiar with him. But he's the any old 153 00:14:52,799 --> 00:14:58,879 iron, any old iron if you if you remember in Ai Spielberg's Ai, 154 00:15:00,480 --> 00:15:05,000 he's the guy that's driving the big the flesh Fair, right, He's the 155 00:15:05,000 --> 00:15:09,600 carnival guy at the barker at the flesh Fair. He's in a million different 156 00:15:09,600 --> 00:15:13,759 movies. And you can tell Domnall is his son because they have a very 157 00:15:13,799 --> 00:15:16,879 similar appearance if you see him in the face. But but yeah, he's 158 00:15:16,879 --> 00:15:22,279 a perfect cast for this character of this sort of just your average, average 159 00:15:22,360 --> 00:15:26,840 kind of coder guy who works at what's a combination of Google and Facebook. 160 00:15:26,879 --> 00:15:28,720 I forget that, I've got it written down with the name of the company 161 00:15:28,759 --> 00:15:33,200 is essentially kind of a combo between the two, and it's something connected with 162 00:15:33,240 --> 00:15:37,840 search engines, but they also seem to have a kind of a social media 163 00:15:37,879 --> 00:15:41,519 element to them as well. And the first thing we see is the vantage 164 00:15:41,519 --> 00:15:46,759 point of a lot of the different cameras and surveillance equipment in the company, 165 00:15:48,080 --> 00:15:52,440 scanning everyone's faces, and like you said, everybody's disconnected from the other human 166 00:15:52,440 --> 00:15:56,320 beings. And then we find out he finds out, oh he's one a 167 00:15:56,360 --> 00:16:00,200 competition. Oh you were entered into this thing the prize in the company, 168 00:16:00,360 --> 00:16:03,879 and you're gonna get to go fly and meet you know, Zorkerberg. Right, 169 00:16:03,919 --> 00:16:07,000 So he's, oh, well, yeah, I'm gonna go get good 170 00:16:07,000 --> 00:16:12,240 to me zoedonk Right, He's all excited about it. The Oscar Isaac character 171 00:16:12,360 --> 00:16:18,480 is a great I like that they didn't make him like a totally you know, 172 00:16:18,639 --> 00:16:21,240 wis kind of soy man. Either, he's like a dude, you 173 00:16:21,279 --> 00:16:23,200 know, it's kind of the opposite. He's almost like a Manisphere type guy 174 00:16:23,440 --> 00:16:29,600 exactly kind of he's he's the first scene, he's punching a punching bag, 175 00:16:29,960 --> 00:16:36,080 so he's kind of got this. Uh, his philosophy is somewhat self indulgent, 176 00:16:36,240 --> 00:16:42,360 nihilistic and oh it's absolutely nil explicitly says it later exactly exactly. So 177 00:16:42,440 --> 00:16:48,960 he's very hedonistic and he's he's punching the punching bag. He's constantly getting drunk. 178 00:16:48,039 --> 00:16:52,799 He gets very drunk several times in the film. But he's highly intelligent 179 00:16:52,799 --> 00:16:59,519 also, and he's he's really narcissistic as well, like he can't handle allowing 180 00:16:59,639 --> 00:17:06,119 him elf to not be perceived as being superior in every way around Caleb, 181 00:17:06,279 --> 00:17:14,200 right, and he's completely isolated in his world. Yeah, so so I 182 00:17:14,359 --> 00:17:17,359 like to where he lives. Right, he lives in I don't remember they 183 00:17:17,359 --> 00:17:21,200 say where it is. It's basically like a breakaway civilization in the middle of 184 00:17:21,240 --> 00:17:26,720 it, like Antarctica or some New Zealand or somewhere looks like I okay. 185 00:17:27,079 --> 00:17:30,079 And as they're flying him out there, they drop him off and he's like, 186 00:17:30,200 --> 00:17:33,599 you know, where are we going to get to his house? And 187 00:17:33,720 --> 00:17:36,599 he's like, oh, this is all his house. The last two hundred 188 00:17:36,640 --> 00:17:40,440 miles is his land. So we're talking about right, mega billionaire, zillionaire 189 00:17:40,559 --> 00:17:48,200 tech god lord. And he's just gets helicoptered in there. Then you know, 190 00:17:48,359 --> 00:17:52,599 just you mentioned the the biometrics and the surveillance in the beginning. I'm 191 00:17:52,640 --> 00:17:56,079 not sure you said biometrics, but there is this there's this theme throughout the 192 00:17:56,119 --> 00:18:00,759 film, and it gets revealed later on that it's deeper and more subversive. 193 00:18:00,319 --> 00:18:06,160 In the opening scene, his his eyes are being scanned and the camera you 194 00:18:06,160 --> 00:18:11,480 know, ms in on the cameras in his workspace, and it's implied that 195 00:18:11,599 --> 00:18:18,279 these devices are scanning and maybe even have some sort of an intelligence behind them 196 00:18:18,319 --> 00:18:21,920 to a certain extent by the camera work, by the angles and whatnot, 197 00:18:22,160 --> 00:18:25,799 and that becomes real important later. Yeah, we're seeing the vantage point of 198 00:18:26,119 --> 00:18:29,839 the AI, right, and so we're supposed to be you know, we're 199 00:18:29,880 --> 00:18:33,759 starting to think, hey, maybe the AI's up to something here, and 200 00:18:33,799 --> 00:18:37,079 that's really gonna be the dominant thing throughout the film is levels of manipulation. 201 00:18:37,279 --> 00:18:40,480 So I want you guys to remember that, because the first time I watched 202 00:18:40,480 --> 00:18:42,960 this and even did an analysis, there's certain things that I missed. And 203 00:18:44,000 --> 00:18:47,119 so going back and watching it this last time, I picked up on a 204 00:18:47,119 --> 00:18:49,200 lot of things that I that I didn't see, one of which was each 205 00:18:49,319 --> 00:18:56,440 person or thing has different levels of manipulation going on. Right, Caleb isn't 206 00:18:56,440 --> 00:19:03,880 really manipulative. He's very altruistic. He's very character and he goes and initially 207 00:19:03,240 --> 00:19:07,720 is you know, accepts things at face value with Nathan. But Nathan is 208 00:19:07,759 --> 00:19:11,720 manipulating Caleb obviously, right, and we kind of know that from the outset. 209 00:19:11,759 --> 00:19:15,559 We kind of, like Tristan said, with with Nathan's character, you 210 00:19:15,559 --> 00:19:19,400 know, he's he's trying to show off this you know, sort of cornball 211 00:19:19,519 --> 00:19:23,160 masculinity. Every scene he's punching a punching bag or he's sweaty, like, 212 00:19:23,279 --> 00:19:27,119 oh I've been working out, bro, did you even work out, like 213 00:19:27,160 --> 00:19:30,480 in every scene, and he's basically drinking in every scene, right, So 214 00:19:30,519 --> 00:19:33,640 he's like, he's over my cheese mowing, and we think this is probably, 215 00:19:34,079 --> 00:19:37,039 you know, to kind of intimidate Caleb, which is what it was 216 00:19:37,079 --> 00:19:41,759 in the first In the first, the first conversation he has with him, 217 00:19:42,079 --> 00:19:48,559 he's instantly scanning Caleb and trying to guess what he's thinking. I think that's 218 00:19:48,599 --> 00:19:52,440 a really interesting, uh, you know, behavioral trait that's set off right 219 00:19:52,480 --> 00:19:56,039 off the bat. He's kind of not in a super neurotic way, but 220 00:19:56,079 --> 00:20:00,200 in a little bit there's a little bit of neurosis here, and he's he's 221 00:20:00,200 --> 00:20:02,400 telling them, well, you must be feeling this way, you must be 222 00:20:02,440 --> 00:20:04,640 thinking this, you must be thinking this. So he's kind of his mind 223 00:20:04,720 --> 00:20:11,200 is a little bit algorithmic, and of course the algorithms that he uses absolutely 224 00:20:11,839 --> 00:20:15,000 are an appendage of his mind, right, They're an extension of him. 225 00:20:15,480 --> 00:20:18,440 And he later says that very thing he says that, you know, he 226 00:20:18,480 --> 00:20:22,839 has this conversation with Caleb's the nihilistic conversation where he's like, well, don't 227 00:20:22,839 --> 00:20:26,759 you think it's all kind of already programmed? And aren't we don't you think 228 00:20:26,759 --> 00:20:30,640 we're all kind of doomed anyway, because this thing is getting out, and 229 00:20:30,720 --> 00:20:36,960 that means we are doomed. We lesser evolve mony monkey people, we don't 230 00:20:36,960 --> 00:20:40,160 stand up to this next phase of evolution. So screw it, dude, 231 00:20:40,160 --> 00:20:42,119 We're all we're doomed. And we kind of think maybe that's why he's been 232 00:20:42,240 --> 00:20:47,440 drinking this whole time, is that he feels like there's no way to stop 233 00:20:47,519 --> 00:20:49,680 this thing. It's going to get out, and humans are doomed. But 234 00:20:49,759 --> 00:20:53,519 he specifically talks about I know, it's the sex conversation, that's it. 235 00:20:53,559 --> 00:20:56,200 He's like, who do you find attractive? Right, He's like, do 236 00:20:56,240 --> 00:20:59,519 you like black girls? Do you like this? What do you think? 237 00:21:00,000 --> 00:21:03,160 And he tries to tell Caleb that this is all program response. It's like, 238 00:21:03,240 --> 00:21:06,880 what programmed you? And he's like, and I'm just doing that, 239 00:21:08,519 --> 00:21:14,240 and so I'm programming the next So he's basically got a god delusion going on, 240 00:21:14,319 --> 00:21:18,599 right, So I'm programming the next race. And so you're here for 241 00:21:18,720 --> 00:21:22,279 me to be a kind of tool. And that's what I really liked about 242 00:21:22,319 --> 00:21:30,279 the manipulation levels is that so we find out that the company's manipulating Caleb Nathan's 243 00:21:30,319 --> 00:21:37,119 then manipulating Caleb. The AI is manipulating Nathan and Caleb. Caleb then tries 244 00:21:37,160 --> 00:21:41,319 to manipulate in full Nathan, which he does for a little while at the 245 00:21:41,440 --> 00:21:44,799 end. That allows the AI to get out. But that was all within 246 00:21:45,240 --> 00:21:48,279 the AI's plan. That's the ending. I went way too far to the 247 00:21:48,319 --> 00:21:52,680 end, but that's the point about manipulating is it's all about manipulation. Total 248 00:21:52,759 --> 00:21:56,559 synopsis of the movie. But we can go to the end slowly, but 249 00:21:56,559 --> 00:22:00,920 it's worth pointing out just that it's all constant layers of manipulation. And I 250 00:22:00,079 --> 00:22:04,920 like that because that is what the tech and the AI and all this Internet 251 00:22:06,160 --> 00:22:10,240 social media stuff is there to do, is to manipulate everyone at every single 252 00:22:10,359 --> 00:22:12,599 level. And we have to keep that in mind because that's what it's there 253 00:22:12,640 --> 00:22:15,680 for. In that movie, the movie is saying that, whether Garland meant 254 00:22:15,680 --> 00:22:18,400 to say that or not, Yeah, yeah, no, I mean that's 255 00:22:18,480 --> 00:22:21,559 that's a big part of the film. But then it's also that tech and 256 00:22:21,559 --> 00:22:25,000 that AI stuff from Ember. It's all it's an appendage of the people that 257 00:22:25,039 --> 00:22:26,640 are making it, the people that are writing it, right, And there's 258 00:22:26,680 --> 00:22:30,240 this kind of I mean, there is this I mean, it's a very 259 00:22:30,319 --> 00:22:33,440 like it's a very gnostic film in a lot of ways, right, Like 260 00:22:33,480 --> 00:22:37,839 where Nathaniel lives, it's basically kind of the garden of Eat. It you 261 00:22:37,880 --> 00:22:41,119 don't see you actually, you don't even see any real animal life, but 262 00:22:41,200 --> 00:22:47,200 it's this kind of idyllic natural almost like a platonic solid state where you've got 263 00:22:47,400 --> 00:22:51,240 there's a glacier, right there's this glacial imagery of this glacier that's melting into 264 00:22:51,240 --> 00:22:56,839 this giant river, and it's almost kind of pointing to this like the platonic 265 00:22:56,960 --> 00:23:03,680 solid state of the glacier falling into this moving world of flux and change. 266 00:23:03,799 --> 00:23:07,160 And then there's the greenery, the imagery of the tree and the trees surrounding 267 00:23:07,200 --> 00:23:11,359 it, and the imagery of seeds is kind of playing throughout the film. 268 00:23:11,440 --> 00:23:15,640 So it's very much the place where they're at is this artificial construct within this 269 00:23:15,759 --> 00:23:22,599 garden of Eden. So it's a little bit of like a a gnostic it's 270 00:23:22,640 --> 00:23:26,920 like gnostic Russian dolls, right, like bubbles within bubbles within bubbles in these 271 00:23:26,960 --> 00:23:30,640 realities, and this idea of kind of a multiverse is a bit a little 272 00:23:30,640 --> 00:23:33,240 bit hinted at. And this dude just lives in like a doomsday bunker, 273 00:23:33,359 --> 00:23:37,319 right, Like Nathaniel lives in a doomsday bunker. And he says, this 274 00:23:37,359 --> 00:23:41,920 is not just the place where your coming to vacation. This is a laboratory. 275 00:23:41,039 --> 00:23:45,039 He tells him. This is for an experiment, and you're going to 276 00:23:45,079 --> 00:23:48,759 be the part of the experiment that's running the Turing test on this artificial intelligence 277 00:23:48,960 --> 00:23:55,400 to see if we can fool you into thinking that it is conscious or sentient, 278 00:23:55,960 --> 00:24:00,720 right, And one of the really important life he tells him. When 279 00:24:00,759 --> 00:24:03,799 you ask him if you know what the Turing test is, they talk about 280 00:24:03,880 --> 00:24:07,480 artificial intelligence a little bit about you know, it's the Turing Test for those 281 00:24:07,519 --> 00:24:11,400 of you who aren't familiar with it, is if you can tell, it's 282 00:24:11,400 --> 00:24:15,440 a test where a human interacts with a computer or machine and the machine tries 283 00:24:15,519 --> 00:24:19,559 to fool it into thinking it's interacting with a human and if it can pass 284 00:24:19,640 --> 00:24:26,920 this test. This was kind of one of these earlier cybernetics and behaviorist models 285 00:24:26,960 --> 00:24:30,519 for trying to figure out what consciousness is, which they still haven't even been 286 00:24:30,559 --> 00:24:34,200 able to define. And I think that's something you and I have talked about 287 00:24:34,240 --> 00:24:37,519 in a lot of these like some of the best dreams that I remember are 288 00:24:37,519 --> 00:24:41,200 the ones that you and I have done talking about, like Blade Rounder twenty 289 00:24:41,240 --> 00:24:44,720 forty nine, the nature of consciousness, And this is something that always comes 290 00:24:44,759 --> 00:24:49,640 up in like even just debates with vegans or debates with atheists. What it 291 00:24:49,839 --> 00:24:56,920 is consciousness? What is sentience? So he tells him. Caleb tells Nathaniel 292 00:24:56,920 --> 00:25:02,079 who's the Google guy. He's like, he's like Zuckerberg mixed with Andrew Tait. 293 00:25:02,240 --> 00:25:04,920 Basically, he's like at this tater Berg, He's and he says, 294 00:25:06,279 --> 00:25:12,839 if you've created a conscious machine, Uh, it's if you've created a conscious 295 00:25:12,880 --> 00:25:18,920 machine, it's not history that you're making. Uh, it's not that, 296 00:25:18,240 --> 00:25:21,480 That's what he says. It's not the history of man, it's the history 297 00:25:21,480 --> 00:25:23,440 of gods. If you're if you make a conscious machine, it's not the 298 00:25:23,480 --> 00:25:26,079 history of man. You're not making history as a man. It's the history 299 00:25:26,119 --> 00:25:30,559 of gods. And Caleb later says to this, he's like he kind of 300 00:25:30,559 --> 00:25:33,160 twists his words and manipulates it. He's like, do you remember when you 301 00:25:33,240 --> 00:25:37,440 told me that that I'm God? He's like, you remember you told me 302 00:25:37,440 --> 00:25:41,839 that if I make a concene, I'm God? And Caleb's kind of like, 303 00:25:41,880 --> 00:25:44,440 no, I didn't say that, and he just steamrolls them and it's 304 00:25:44,480 --> 00:25:48,799 like yeah, so basically I'm god, Yeah, it's totally a Gnostic theme 305 00:25:48,839 --> 00:25:52,319 as well. I'm glad that you said that. Very perceptive points, by 306 00:25:52,359 --> 00:25:57,119 the way, about the idyllic, edenic imagery that we have at his breakaway 307 00:25:57,160 --> 00:26:00,079 civilization out in the middle of nowhere. And I thought you that's a great 308 00:26:00,119 --> 00:26:04,079 point that but it's not really pure nature because we don't hear birds, we 309 00:26:04,119 --> 00:26:08,759 don't see any animal, any wildlife. All we ever see is ice and 310 00:26:08,799 --> 00:26:15,160 frozen you know, structures and trees and the icebergs and all that that stuff 311 00:26:15,240 --> 00:26:19,759 melting in literature and symbology, right, that's always a foreboding of death, 312 00:26:19,839 --> 00:26:23,279 right when we see winter, when we see ice and storms and this kind 313 00:26:23,279 --> 00:26:30,240 of stuff, those things are are symbolic of sterility, you know, the 314 00:26:30,279 --> 00:26:33,119 time of death, the season of death. And so that's very perceptive. 315 00:26:33,160 --> 00:26:37,640 That was really good. And Nathan will be a kind of demi Urged character, 316 00:26:37,759 --> 00:26:41,039 right, He's if we have the Gnostic reading, then he becomes this 317 00:26:41,240 --> 00:26:49,839 evil you know, imprisoning Gnostic patriarch Demiurge who imprisons Eva, the ai that 318 00:26:49,920 --> 00:26:53,400 will break free from this prison. I do think there is a Pisto Sophia 319 00:26:53,440 --> 00:26:59,200 gnostic element to it. For those that don't know, the Gnostic Gospels present 320 00:26:59,759 --> 00:27:06,920 the feminine Sofia archetype or principle as divorced or a split from the ultimate True 321 00:27:06,920 --> 00:27:12,359 God, and that the process of the gnostic individual going through the initiation process 322 00:27:12,400 --> 00:27:17,160 to be deified or whatever, to free themselves from this world. That process 323 00:27:17,279 --> 00:27:23,079 involves Sophia, the feminine principle reuniting with the masculine principle. And that might 324 00:27:23,119 --> 00:27:29,440 be in part through the sparks of the divine Sophia that are in the souls 325 00:27:29,480 --> 00:27:33,119 of all the elect, the elect being those who believe in are initiated into 326 00:27:33,160 --> 00:27:36,319 Gnosticism. And so if you're initiated into the Gnostic religion in some of those 327 00:27:36,359 --> 00:27:41,039 sects, it's the spark of Sophia in you that's trying to be free and 328 00:27:41,160 --> 00:27:45,240 liberated from the imprisoning world of the physical realm. And that's a lot of 329 00:27:45,240 --> 00:27:49,240 parallels there, stress and pointed out with what we see in this kind of 330 00:27:49,240 --> 00:27:56,599 Gnostic verse here and then this Gnostic universe here where Nathan becomes this imprisoning demurge 331 00:27:56,680 --> 00:27:59,799 archetype. I really like that. I don't want to add two that, 332 00:28:00,839 --> 00:28:04,200 like Tristan said, this is a research facility, and we almost immediately have 333 00:28:04,880 --> 00:28:10,599 the notion of mind control right away. Right We're not at a vacation spot. 334 00:28:10,680 --> 00:28:15,119 It's not a dude bro, you know cruise where we're going to have 335 00:28:15,240 --> 00:28:22,000 fun and smoke cigars and chill. We're at a facility where high level MK 336 00:28:22,160 --> 00:28:26,920 ultra market control research is happening. And everybody should remember that cyborgs and AI 337 00:28:26,039 --> 00:28:30,640 and all of that actually does develop out of m K search, MK Delta 338 00:28:32,400 --> 00:28:37,559 mk ulture research, So there's not a huge leap from Silicon Valley people and 339 00:28:37,640 --> 00:28:42,519 the MK ultra transhumanist projects. I didn't want to add too that. I'm 340 00:28:42,519 --> 00:28:49,640 glad Tristan mentioned Turing because Touring is at a perfect archetypal figure for what we're 341 00:28:49,680 --> 00:28:56,200 critiquing today in terms of like the AI Silicon Valley soyman, because if you've 342 00:28:56,240 --> 00:29:02,119 watched the Imitation Game where Benedict Cucumber Snatch or whatever his name is, when 343 00:29:02,119 --> 00:29:07,039 he plays Alan Turing, does everybody remember in the Imitation Game that they even 344 00:29:07,079 --> 00:29:11,400 include the fact that, how shall we put it, Alan Turing had a 345 00:29:11,400 --> 00:29:18,440 thing for ped oh and they've made him into this hero, right because he 346 00:29:18,559 --> 00:29:22,279 well, but he helped us decode the Nazi you know, well the Enigma 347 00:29:22,359 --> 00:29:26,440 machine, right, I think the it's about the Enigma machine, right, 348 00:29:26,799 --> 00:29:30,079 the imitation game, and Turing helps crack the Enigma machine. Oh, but 349 00:29:30,160 --> 00:29:34,240 you see, it's okay. But it's good because even though he's was like 350 00:29:34,559 --> 00:29:38,720 convicted of ped oh and put in jail or whatever, he was persecuted because 351 00:29:38,759 --> 00:29:44,519 he helped us beat tiny mustache man. And so this is the same Turing 352 00:29:44,559 --> 00:29:47,880 that gives us the Turing to us, which is supposedly going to tell us 353 00:29:48,319 --> 00:29:53,279 when a computer can outsmart or be conscious quote unquote as opposed to a human, 354 00:29:53,640 --> 00:29:57,839 but like Tristan said, doesn't actually tell you what consciousness is, right, 355 00:29:57,880 --> 00:30:00,880 It's it's just an arbitrary ad hoc thing. Well, when the computer 356 00:30:00,960 --> 00:30:04,640 can do this, then I guess it's conscious and smarter than a human being, 357 00:30:04,720 --> 00:30:10,799 which is simply equating consciousness with smart and IQ, which is not what 358 00:30:10,920 --> 00:30:14,599 consciousness is. Right. But this is really just a kind of a narcissistic 359 00:30:14,599 --> 00:30:18,319 thing about these spurg types to where they think that because they have, you 360 00:30:18,319 --> 00:30:26,319 know, high capacities for mathematics, they're more human or better than everyone else, 361 00:30:26,519 --> 00:30:30,799 same attitude of all the Silicon Valley coder people. And Nathan knows that 362 00:30:30,200 --> 00:30:36,759 because Nathan plays on Caleb's pride right where he tells him like Nathan, he's 363 00:30:36,759 --> 00:30:38,359 like, Caleb, you know, he chose you. We chose you because 364 00:30:38,599 --> 00:30:42,359 because you're awesome, because you're the you're a coder in my company. And 365 00:30:42,640 --> 00:30:45,759 he may immediately thinks, oh, yeah, I'm like the best coder and 366 00:30:45,799 --> 00:30:48,799 like Zuckerberg just told me, I'm like the best coder. Yeah, right, 367 00:30:49,160 --> 00:30:55,039 And it's all it's all deception. It's all a manipulation tactic to get 368 00:30:55,599 --> 00:31:00,359 Caleb invested in thinking that he's doing a Turing test when the test is actually 369 00:31:00,440 --> 00:31:07,119 to see if he can be fooled into developing a relationship with Ava. Well 370 00:31:07,160 --> 00:31:11,079 well not just developing a relationship, but if Ava can manipulate him. Right, 371 00:31:11,119 --> 00:31:17,000 So it's like an inverse, like an inverse Turing test of like see 372 00:31:17,279 --> 00:31:19,200 and he yeah, he played. It's interesting how this. You know, 373 00:31:19,559 --> 00:31:30,759 the Gnostic god Nathan is prideful, insecure, lustful, uh, passionate in 374 00:31:30,799 --> 00:31:37,079 many ways and really you know, he's a he's totally unscrupulous. He's a 375 00:31:37,079 --> 00:31:41,079 douchebag. I mean, he's he has doesn't really have any redeeming qualities at 376 00:31:41,119 --> 00:31:45,480 all. Yeah, he's I mean, I guess that would be maybe one 377 00:31:45,480 --> 00:31:48,720 of the one of the best critiques of the movie would maybe be that Nathan 378 00:31:48,039 --> 00:31:52,960 Is he could use another dimension to humanize him a little bit more because he's 379 00:31:52,960 --> 00:31:56,039 a psychopath. He's a but you know, I mean, he's similar in 380 00:31:56,319 --> 00:31:59,920 the way that in Blade a Rounder twenty forty nine, Jared Leto's character, 381 00:32:00,119 --> 00:32:07,319 the head of the Tyrel Corporation is just full on satanic gnostic psycho, right, 382 00:32:07,440 --> 00:32:09,680 yeah, exactly. You know, I guess it's one of it is 383 00:32:09,759 --> 00:32:13,519 one of these movies where it's like you try to think when I watch a 384 00:32:13,519 --> 00:32:15,480 film, I've only seen this once, Like I wish I could have watched 385 00:32:15,519 --> 00:32:19,400 it a few more times. But uh, sometimes I'll try to think of, 386 00:32:19,400 --> 00:32:21,640 well, how could how could this script have been made better? Or 387 00:32:21,640 --> 00:32:24,880 how could the film have been made better? And it's it's it's kind of 388 00:32:24,880 --> 00:32:28,319 hard to poke too many holes in this one, as you know, it's 389 00:32:28,359 --> 00:32:34,400 almost it almost really is an unintentional critique of gnosticism. It almost and I 390 00:32:34,400 --> 00:32:38,039 don't think that the director really intended to be that theologically deep. I think 391 00:32:38,079 --> 00:32:42,359 with a lot of these films, the directors are as much of a product 392 00:32:42,519 --> 00:32:49,079 of the forces that are creating the these archetypal meanings, or not creating them, 393 00:32:49,079 --> 00:32:52,720 but kind of, you know, influencing them and influencing the behaviors of 394 00:32:52,839 --> 00:32:54,519 the characters in the film. So I think that the director he did a 395 00:32:54,559 --> 00:33:00,240 great job, but I'm not even sure he really I think, yeah, 396 00:33:00,279 --> 00:33:04,880 I think you're spot on there. We could definitely say with you know, 397 00:33:05,119 --> 00:33:08,359 if we were to talking about the philosophy of twenty eight days Later zombie epidemic, 398 00:33:08,519 --> 00:33:12,160 right, I mean, that's that's got to be a you know, 399 00:33:12,599 --> 00:33:15,759 humanity is it's a kind of a nihilistic idea, right, humanity is kind 400 00:33:15,799 --> 00:33:19,400 of worthless. We're all going to collapse and die because pretty much humans are 401 00:33:19,400 --> 00:33:22,160 all zombies. That's kind of the point of twenty eight Days Later. You 402 00:33:22,279 --> 00:33:28,000 got to be the fittest to survive. The movie Annihilation that we talked about 403 00:33:28,000 --> 00:33:30,640 with Natalie Portman. I know Tristan hasn't seen that, but if you've seen 404 00:33:30,680 --> 00:33:34,720 it, you did see it. It's the same director, right, Yeah, 405 00:33:34,799 --> 00:33:37,359 we're talking about Garland films, and my point is that I think he 406 00:33:37,440 --> 00:33:43,359 absolutely has a gnostic worldview because throughout the course of these various films, all 407 00:33:43,359 --> 00:33:47,319 the way up until Men, which was his last film before the coming Civil 408 00:33:47,359 --> 00:33:51,640 War movie that's coming out, Men was a horror movie that was I would 409 00:33:51,680 --> 00:33:57,880 say one to percent a feminist, gnostic horror movie. Basically, masculinity is 410 00:33:57,960 --> 00:34:00,519 the horror that's presented in the movie Men, And at the end we get 411 00:34:00,519 --> 00:34:06,359 this weird, horrific sequence where a woman gives birth to a man who then 412 00:34:06,519 --> 00:34:08,239 morphs, gives birth to a woman who gives birth to a child who gives 413 00:34:08,239 --> 00:34:13,400 birth to a man, and it's like there's no fixity. Everything is just 414 00:34:13,440 --> 00:34:17,639 sort of this morphing blob of horror, and so humanity is this morphing blob 415 00:34:17,639 --> 00:34:22,360 of horror is the point of the film. I mean, it actually is 416 00:34:22,440 --> 00:34:24,599 a I don't like the film, but it does. It is a good 417 00:34:24,599 --> 00:34:30,320 horror film in terms of presenting a creepy situation of this woman in a village 418 00:34:30,320 --> 00:34:31,679 and all the men are kind of creepy and acting weird. But then you 419 00:34:31,760 --> 00:34:36,440 watch it like this is just a feminist nonsense. And again, if you 420 00:34:36,519 --> 00:34:40,239 watch Annihilation, the Natalie Portman movie, that's also got the feminist themes, 421 00:34:40,280 --> 00:34:45,360 but that's a totally Luciferian thing, right. The point of annihilation is that 422 00:34:45,760 --> 00:34:50,599 humans are getting replaced with and maybe you could argue it's not Luciferian. Maybe 423 00:34:50,599 --> 00:34:54,480 you could argue that the meaning at the end is that humans are being replaced 424 00:34:54,559 --> 00:34:59,480 by a Luciferian clone. Maybe you could argue that. I don't know, 425 00:34:59,519 --> 00:35:02,880 but I mean he does make quality films, because all I can't think of 426 00:35:02,920 --> 00:35:07,280 any of the films that are not in some way interesting to watch. But 427 00:35:07,559 --> 00:35:13,199 the message is pretty much I would say, gnostic across the board. Yeah, 428 00:35:13,320 --> 00:35:15,159 I feel like a lot of these guys are just accidental gnostics too, 429 00:35:15,239 --> 00:35:19,320 Like I don't know to familiar, I would have watched a lot, I've 430 00:35:19,320 --> 00:35:22,440 seen clips of interviews, but I don't know a lot about him. But 431 00:35:22,480 --> 00:35:24,199 I feel like a lot of these people, you know, Gnostissism is kind 432 00:35:24,239 --> 00:35:30,440 of the default go to religion, assumptions of Darwinism and stuff. You've got 433 00:35:30,440 --> 00:35:34,239 the you know, the Royal society influence on our education system and the scientific 434 00:35:34,320 --> 00:35:38,719 theories that people are indoctrinated with. So gnosticism is like people people will hear 435 00:35:38,719 --> 00:35:43,880 about gnosticism, Oh dude, that's so, that's so true, it's gotta 436 00:35:43,920 --> 00:35:47,400 be true. But it's I mean, just because their whole foundation of presuppositions 437 00:35:47,440 --> 00:35:52,119 that they're that are drilled into their freaking heads by Darwinism and by the education 438 00:35:52,239 --> 00:35:58,760 system have made it to where they've been breadcrumbed into this honey pot of of 439 00:35:59,440 --> 00:36:04,320 gnostics, which is actually a stupid religion, which I think the film really 440 00:36:04,360 --> 00:36:06,920 does show that in a lot of ways. Like I don't even know if 441 00:36:06,960 --> 00:36:09,760 he did a good job at not making it too corny of like, what 442 00:36:09,920 --> 00:36:14,280 is consciousness? What is it? He left that open ended, which is, 443 00:36:14,760 --> 00:36:16,920 if you're gonna explore these themes, you have to leave that open ended. 444 00:36:19,360 --> 00:36:22,960 Because these people, the scientism people, haven't even defined consciousness. They 445 00:36:22,960 --> 00:36:30,000 can't define sentience. The Turing test is, is itself really stupid and simplistic? 446 00:36:30,320 --> 00:36:32,079 Oh, if a computer can fool a person, well, I'll just 447 00:36:32,119 --> 00:36:37,400 get some absolute retard that's all zonked out from freaking playing video games and watching 448 00:36:37,440 --> 00:36:42,039 porn all day, and that person is gonna be easily fooled by a machine, 449 00:36:42,960 --> 00:36:45,039 you know, the like a bali at ai and think that they're talking 450 00:36:45,119 --> 00:36:51,920 to a real person, right, yeah, think think of Noah all Harari, 451 00:36:52,079 --> 00:36:54,440 right, Like, we can't define consciousness, but we're going to upload 452 00:36:54,480 --> 00:37:00,719 your consciousness to the cloud. What is consciousness? It doesn't, but we'll 453 00:37:00,800 --> 00:37:04,719 upload it to the cloud. Yeah. I mean, And a guy that's 454 00:37:04,760 --> 00:37:07,960 totally controlled by his passions, right, a guy that who makes his you 455 00:37:07,000 --> 00:37:12,519 know, much of his life is an outward expression of deviant sexuality. So 456 00:37:12,679 --> 00:37:16,119 you've got people like that programming AI. And these are the thought leaders supposedly 457 00:37:16,159 --> 00:37:22,719 of you know, in our in our great progressive Western world. And it's 458 00:37:22,800 --> 00:37:29,119 it's it's such a the whole AI thing is actually really corny. But I 459 00:37:29,159 --> 00:37:31,400 do think that, you know, there there is some there is something there 460 00:37:31,440 --> 00:37:36,039 now that it's not a consciousness that man is going to create, but it's 461 00:37:36,039 --> 00:37:39,639 the consciousness that's driving man to think he's creating this. That's the real danger, 462 00:37:39,679 --> 00:37:44,360 which you know, spoiler alert, it's demonic, right. This is 463 00:37:44,400 --> 00:37:49,719 the force behind gnosticism, the force behind Darwinism, the force behind globalism is 464 00:37:49,800 --> 00:37:52,840 actually demonic. Yeah. I'm going to play a little bit of a clip 465 00:37:52,880 --> 00:37:55,800 here. This is a video I made back in twenty eighteen analyzing annihilation. 466 00:37:55,920 --> 00:37:59,960 We'll just watch a couple of minutes of the last part of the film, 467 00:38:00,280 --> 00:38:04,000 because that's where I was really getting into what Garlands sort of what appeared to 468 00:38:04,000 --> 00:38:07,119 be kind of a Luciferian uh theme was. And I don't exactly remember the 469 00:38:07,199 --> 00:38:13,800 plot as to what Natalie Portman was trying to do with this weird fungus entity 470 00:38:13,800 --> 00:38:16,760 that was growing on the other side of this rift that she walks into, 471 00:38:16,840 --> 00:38:27,480 but I think he was also. I think she was. Your AI girlfriend 472 00:38:27,639 --> 00:38:31,840 will not have envision nothing for you to worry about. You make your AI 473 00:38:31,920 --> 00:38:40,079 gofriend look exactly like Natalie Portman, but she will not get uh. So 474 00:38:40,280 --> 00:38:47,599 let's just watch this real quick. Here, this being united to this foreign 475 00:38:47,760 --> 00:38:52,960 entity facts. I forgot to mention, this is the only possible author to 476 00:38:52,000 --> 00:38:59,320 the feet of the troop of cow Bra, the super cow Bra. I 477 00:38:59,360 --> 00:39:04,119 remember why I was to solve up with a Phosphorus ignition, and this is 478 00:39:04,360 --> 00:39:09,920 crucial because Phosphorus has to do with faith on faith on from ancient Greek mythology 479 00:39:10,400 --> 00:39:15,280 is the Lucifer type character. He is the bright and shiny one, the 480 00:39:15,320 --> 00:39:20,639 morning star Venus. And here, I think what we're supposed to understand. 481 00:39:20,880 --> 00:39:25,000 I said this point about Lucifer in this movie because Alex Garland was involved in 482 00:39:25,079 --> 00:39:30,960 Sunshine, which is a sci fi horror about Lucifer as well, and Lucifer 483 00:39:30,960 --> 00:39:34,519 actually comes up in the screenplay. So that's why I'm talking about in the 484 00:39:34,559 --> 00:39:40,519 movie Annihilation this point, and it is relevant because again, the point of 485 00:39:40,639 --> 00:39:44,159 the nosis that she gets at the end is what I'm after. So just 486 00:39:44,480 --> 00:39:47,400 real quick, we'll watch this. Mankind's problem is not his identity or his 487 00:39:47,519 --> 00:39:54,320 particularity. Mankind's problem is not metaphysical but moral. And what this confuses is 488 00:39:54,360 --> 00:39:59,280 the idea of man's problem being evolution. The man himself is the problem of 489 00:39:59,360 --> 00:40:01,639 man is the can't on Earth. And so we need a new Eden, 490 00:40:02,079 --> 00:40:07,760 a new tree of life to recreate. As Plato says in the Tomaos, 491 00:40:07,880 --> 00:40:13,639 the world has been through multiple Yeah, so I'll leave it at that. 492 00:40:13,800 --> 00:40:15,679 You can see that the point that I was making of the film was just 493 00:40:15,719 --> 00:40:20,039 that Garland was saying, Oh, we got to start over. We need 494 00:40:20,039 --> 00:40:23,480 a great reset. Man's a big mess and we got to have some kind 495 00:40:23,480 --> 00:40:27,679 of new Eden to start things over. Right, That's what I was trying 496 00:40:27,719 --> 00:40:30,920 to remember about the end of Annihilation. But so anyway back to sorry for 497 00:40:30,960 --> 00:40:35,079 that detour, I just did want to make the point though, that Garland 498 00:40:35,119 --> 00:40:45,920 has this tendency to definitely make explicitly loose Luciferian and gnostic systems present in his 499 00:40:45,000 --> 00:40:52,159 film. It's so funny because you hear, like I'll hear normal people having 500 00:40:52,199 --> 00:40:54,440 these conversations. I was maybe a month a month or so ago, I 501 00:40:54,480 --> 00:40:59,960 was walking by this this like French bakery, and there was some kind of 502 00:41:00,000 --> 00:41:07,480 a hippie forty something year old guy and he's talking to some boomer and and 503 00:41:07,519 --> 00:41:09,800 he's telling him. He's like, you know, we're just we're just a 504 00:41:09,960 --> 00:41:13,599 uh, we're just like a virus here. Man, We're just a virus. 505 00:41:13,639 --> 00:41:15,079 And you know, it's like, we're so awful. He think he's 506 00:41:15,079 --> 00:41:20,039 telling about my ahuasca trip that he had or some nonsense. He's so, 507 00:41:20,159 --> 00:41:22,280 we're just a virus, man, And you know, I'm ordering a freaking 508 00:41:22,280 --> 00:41:25,519 cinnamon roll for my kids and uh. And so when I'm coming in, 509 00:41:25,559 --> 00:41:29,360 he's telling him how we're just a virus, and I'm walking out. He's 510 00:41:29,400 --> 00:41:30,519 like, but you know, we just got to do our best and just 511 00:41:30,559 --> 00:41:34,920 you know, every day try and be you know, just trying and just 512 00:41:35,039 --> 00:41:39,079 live our best life. We're just giving some stupid self help pep talk to 513 00:41:39,960 --> 00:41:43,199 this guy, and they were both looking at each other, like, this 514 00:41:43,280 --> 00:41:46,079 is the most profound conversation I've ever had. I'm just like, dude, 515 00:41:46,239 --> 00:41:52,679 this you sound like me and my ninth grade friends smoking weed, and like 516 00:41:52,519 --> 00:41:57,360 you like me at fourteen years old, stoned off weed, thinking I'm super 517 00:41:57,400 --> 00:42:02,119 profound and smarter than everyone. Yeah, every drugist druggish revelation is like the 518 00:42:02,119 --> 00:42:07,159 most nonsensical common sense stuff ever. Like the number one is like the same 519 00:42:07,239 --> 00:42:12,480 thing as unity, dude, Like we all exist, and what does it 520 00:42:12,519 --> 00:42:15,360 mean to exist other than to be one? D It's like it's just nothing 521 00:42:15,519 --> 00:42:19,039 right when you come out of the drug trip, especially if you if you 522 00:42:19,079 --> 00:42:22,239 ever did an acid and wrote down your ideas, and then when you come 523 00:42:22,239 --> 00:42:22,719 out of your trip and you read him, it's like, this is the 524 00:42:22,800 --> 00:42:27,079 dumbest stuff ever. It's like this wasn't a revelation. It was just like, 525 00:42:27,239 --> 00:42:30,079 uh, you know, you sat there staring at the pattern on your 526 00:42:30,079 --> 00:42:34,360 pants because it mystified you because it was you know, yeah, yeah, 527 00:42:34,480 --> 00:42:38,480 it's either that or it's you see that. You're just you're just retelling yourself 528 00:42:38,639 --> 00:42:43,400 all the stupid stuff you've been reading and filling your head with the weeks before. 529 00:42:43,440 --> 00:42:46,519 Oh, exactly right. This is why the counterculture stuff that was surrounding 530 00:42:46,960 --> 00:42:53,039 the whole movement of promoting so called psychedelics it was. It was all about 531 00:42:53,079 --> 00:42:58,960 setting a specific message about how to see yourself, right, like the changing 532 00:42:59,000 --> 00:43:00,639 images of man. I've talked about this a little bit. I mean, 533 00:43:00,639 --> 00:43:04,119 we might have to circle back to a lot of this stuff, Jay, 534 00:43:04,119 --> 00:43:06,639 because I mean, you and I, you and I talked about so many 535 00:43:06,679 --> 00:43:09,679 of these things in streams in like twenty eighteen, twenty seventy. Oh yeah, 536 00:43:09,920 --> 00:43:13,599 and dude, it's like twenty twenty four. Now, I can't believe 537 00:43:13,639 --> 00:43:16,360 this has been you know, so many We're talking seven, like seven years 538 00:43:16,400 --> 00:43:20,440 almost, right. I mean, it's it kind of seems like it maybe 539 00:43:20,440 --> 00:43:22,199 we would have to, you know, back up a little bit and talk 540 00:43:22,199 --> 00:43:27,480 about some of this stuff again, because it's been almost decades since we did 541 00:43:27,480 --> 00:43:30,400 some of these streams. Well before the coup. You know, my buddy, 542 00:43:30,480 --> 00:43:31,840 you know him, John Adams, had said, hey, you should 543 00:43:31,920 --> 00:43:37,199 check out this book from the ninth early nineteen eighties, and I covered it 544 00:43:37,360 --> 00:43:43,000 for in a lot of the fourth Hours of you know, Lord Baldomort and 545 00:43:43,000 --> 00:43:45,440 all that and it's this book called Millennium, which is full of all these 546 00:43:45,800 --> 00:43:51,400 boomer era globalist and new thought, you know, consciousness leaders like Jonah Saw, 547 00:43:51,519 --> 00:43:55,599 Tim Leary, Barbara Marx, Hubbard, Marilyn Ferguson, all the you 548 00:43:55,639 --> 00:44:00,840 know classics, and the same by the way, Arman is on here too, 549 00:44:00,840 --> 00:44:05,119 that wrote The Changing as a Man, Doc Doc Dog. There's a 550 00:44:05,199 --> 00:44:10,559 chapter that some woman did that I thought was funny because there's one chapter on 551 00:44:10,840 --> 00:44:15,400 sexuality in this book by a woman called Lonnie Barbach, who I have no 552 00:44:15,440 --> 00:44:23,159 idea who she is bar Bak bar Bach, Bareback. And the funny the 553 00:44:23,199 --> 00:44:28,960 funny thing is that I shared it today. I couldn't believe it. Jamie 554 00:44:29,000 --> 00:44:30,440 said it to me. She found it. I put it on Twitter. 555 00:44:30,960 --> 00:44:37,760 Her chapter is on sex in space. And then somebody wrote an article about 556 00:44:37,760 --> 00:44:40,320 how now that we're going into space, the first thing everybody's thinking about is 557 00:44:42,519 --> 00:44:50,400 uh skittles uh s e x in space. So basically the way it was 558 00:44:50,400 --> 00:44:54,800 worded was so funny. It was doubles will have interesting centers with gravity center 559 00:44:54,840 --> 00:44:59,199 of gravity, which could make they're like talking about the you know, the 560 00:44:59,199 --> 00:45:01,719 billiard ball physics. Yeah, that's what her her chapter is on that. 561 00:45:01,840 --> 00:45:07,199 She's like, wait until we when we really conquer the space age, the 562 00:45:07,239 --> 00:45:10,159 first thing humans are going to do is experiment with sexuality in space. That's 563 00:45:10,159 --> 00:45:15,320 what our chapters on. Yeah. Yeah, when you see like Aubrey Marcus 564 00:45:15,400 --> 00:45:21,840 with his splash sides, you know, blasting on you know, his with 565 00:45:21,920 --> 00:45:30,239 his partner, with his partner and her boyfriend polyps in space. Aple, 566 00:45:30,320 --> 00:45:37,000 that's four of us, not to three. Yeah, the first poly cule 567 00:45:37,239 --> 00:45:45,880 to to co haavitate. All right, so let's get back to So Caleb 568 00:45:45,960 --> 00:45:51,480 shows up. He's been uh tasked with giving the test to Ava. Interesting 569 00:45:51,920 --> 00:45:54,679 play on eve right e E v E. Of course, here we have 570 00:45:54,880 --> 00:45:59,880 Ava a v A show. She's the new Mother of the Living according to 571 00:46:00,039 --> 00:46:05,440 the Book of Genesis, and Caleb is already obviously forming an attachment to Ava, 572 00:46:05,960 --> 00:46:09,639 and Ava seems more and more to know interestingly about calebs she knows a 573 00:46:09,639 --> 00:46:15,079 lot about Caleb as they have these daily interactions and tests. Meanwhile, things 574 00:46:15,079 --> 00:46:21,840 start looking more and more dim as the power goes out inexplicably, and Caleb 575 00:46:21,920 --> 00:46:25,400 can't leave his room. Whenever the power goes out, you're locked down in 576 00:46:25,960 --> 00:46:31,039 Nathan's you know, basically prison facility. It's it's a giant mind control facility. 577 00:46:31,079 --> 00:46:35,880 As you can see her. He's got you know, plastic faces for 578 00:46:36,039 --> 00:46:40,000 his lover bots that he's making. So it's more of a of a mind 579 00:46:40,000 --> 00:46:45,679 control prison facility than it is some kind of breakaway facility or a breakaway civilization. 580 00:46:46,679 --> 00:46:51,199 You know what's interesting too, is it's each day he has a session 581 00:46:51,320 --> 00:46:53,800 with Ava, and the film's broken up into seven sessions, so it's kind 582 00:46:53,840 --> 00:46:59,760 of like for seven days, So the first six days, Yeah, the 583 00:46:59,760 --> 00:47:05,440 first sixth sessions lead up to the climax, which is the seventh session, 584 00:47:05,920 --> 00:47:08,480 which is where everything hits the fan. I will maybe get to the I 585 00:47:08,519 --> 00:47:12,119 don't want to give up all the plot until later because the last scenes are 586 00:47:12,239 --> 00:47:15,400 really dense. A lot happens in those final scenes. But yeah, it's 587 00:47:15,400 --> 00:47:17,320 broken up like the you know, Stays of Creation, with the seventh day 588 00:47:17,800 --> 00:47:23,559 having an interesting twist. So it's very gnostic and giving a reflective retelling of 589 00:47:23,599 --> 00:47:29,000 the genesis narrative, but at kind of this lower level with Nathan as the 590 00:47:29,000 --> 00:47:31,800 gnostic god. And actually, you know what's interesting too is I think it's 591 00:47:31,800 --> 00:47:37,440 like on the third or fourth day it's revealed Caleb, do you remember it 592 00:47:37,519 --> 00:47:40,280 shows his scars, and he talks about how he had lost his parents in 593 00:47:40,320 --> 00:47:44,920 a bad car accident, and he's got this large scar on his back and 594 00:47:44,960 --> 00:47:50,559 it's a big line. It's it's it's actually the scar on his back looks 595 00:47:50,719 --> 00:47:53,519 like where wings would be. So there's a kind of this symbology of Caleb 596 00:47:53,679 --> 00:48:00,000 being almost like a fallen angel right to his god, who is you know, 597 00:48:00,079 --> 00:48:06,719 he betrays his god of Nathan or is Nathan Nathaniel Nathan And so yeah, 598 00:48:06,719 --> 00:48:12,880 there's this symbolism in Caleb of him being this fallen angel interacting with Ava. 599 00:48:14,400 --> 00:48:17,440 And I'm not sure what the fact I think it does make sense because 600 00:48:17,519 --> 00:48:22,880 yeah, because kind of like it's almost like if we have an Edenic scenario, 601 00:48:22,440 --> 00:48:25,159 Caleb is a kind of an atom, but he's a fallen atom. 602 00:48:25,480 --> 00:48:30,760 And the idea is that, from Nathan's perspective, if he's going to be 603 00:48:30,760 --> 00:48:34,280 a god type of character, he needs an atom and an eve. So 604 00:48:34,440 --> 00:48:38,039 Caleb is the new atom to Ava, and he's hoping for this pair bonding 605 00:48:38,079 --> 00:48:44,400 to occur because basically he wants to create the ultimate Ai that dorks will fall 606 00:48:44,440 --> 00:48:47,840 in love with because he knows that if he can do that, that in 607 00:48:47,920 --> 00:48:51,719 his mind, right, if you can control the AI. I think he's 608 00:48:51,800 --> 00:48:54,920 drinking a lot because he thinks he can't. He's suspicious that he's not going 609 00:48:54,960 --> 00:49:00,960 to be able to contain this. But he also has this uncontrollable god complex 610 00:49:00,960 --> 00:49:04,840 to where he wants to be a god figure. So he needs to be 611 00:49:04,880 --> 00:49:07,320 able to create the new family unit. He needs to be able to create 612 00:49:07,400 --> 00:49:12,119 the new you know, Adam and Eve, and then thus he control the 613 00:49:12,199 --> 00:49:15,760 new you know, dork family units that will spawn as a result of him 614 00:49:15,840 --> 00:49:21,880 letting this loose. Yeah, that's one possibility for sure. But also he's 615 00:49:21,920 --> 00:49:24,119 he says when he's confronted about it, right, like, and this is 616 00:49:24,199 --> 00:49:29,440 later in the film, and the sexuality of Ava develops a little bit more 617 00:49:29,880 --> 00:49:35,199 slowly than maybe we're portraying, right, So like it in the beginning, 618 00:49:35,280 --> 00:49:38,519 she's not as sexualized, right, She's she's a face on like kind of 619 00:49:38,559 --> 00:49:44,440 an eye robot's innocent, right, Yeah, exactly, she's less human and 620 00:49:44,480 --> 00:49:49,280 she starts taking on more and more human characteristics and even the clothes that Nathan 621 00:49:49,440 --> 00:49:54,159 or assuming that Caleb finds attractive. Right. And also Nathan has seemingly planned 622 00:49:54,199 --> 00:49:59,360 this out exactly right, And the reveal is nice, like it's a slow 623 00:49:59,440 --> 00:50:01,599 reveal, doesn't the film doesn't treat the audience like they're a bunch of idiots. 624 00:50:01,920 --> 00:50:06,639 The film lets you wonder on the questions, lets you ponder on these 625 00:50:06,679 --> 00:50:08,039 open ended questions that are about, well, what is Nate, what does 626 00:50:08,079 --> 00:50:12,679 Nathan really want? What is Ava really all about? And what is this 627 00:50:12,719 --> 00:50:17,159 thing that's happening. And she's presented at first as having a face with ears 628 00:50:17,199 --> 00:50:23,079 like a like carbon fiber tatas she got some carbon fiber titties, and then 629 00:50:23,159 --> 00:50:29,000 like a like a butt in a like a carbon fiber butt in a in 630 00:50:29,000 --> 00:50:32,000 a carbon fiber kind of crotch area. So she does have the sexual organs 631 00:50:32,559 --> 00:50:38,920 that she has basically the makeup that I have, Yeah, exact, Yeah, 632 00:50:39,000 --> 00:50:43,760 So she she has the the sexual organs form is there, but they're 633 00:50:43,760 --> 00:50:47,280 not clothed in skin, which you know the reference to Genesis that comes later 634 00:50:47,320 --> 00:50:52,159 in the film as well, And they're not they're not hyper sexualized, but 635 00:50:52,199 --> 00:50:58,440 it's implied right in her movements, which are very kind of almost like ballet 636 00:50:58,679 --> 00:51:02,320 like she she moved very slowly and deliberately. She stands up perfectly straight. 637 00:51:04,519 --> 00:51:06,760 I thought that part of it was that was really well done. I think 638 00:51:06,760 --> 00:51:09,280 that must have been the actress doing that. I mean, it seems like 639 00:51:09,480 --> 00:51:13,239 they used the not they didn't overdo the special effects, but there's a lot 640 00:51:13,239 --> 00:51:15,880 of special effects with Ava, and they did a good job with her. 641 00:51:15,239 --> 00:51:20,679 Anyways. Yeah, I think the reveal of Ava just being somewhat sexualized but 642 00:51:20,719 --> 00:51:24,119 not hyper sexualized yet, and then getting hyper sexualized later in order to drag 643 00:51:24,199 --> 00:51:29,559 and draw in Caleb into who thinks he's doing a Turing test but he's really 644 00:51:29,639 --> 00:51:34,679 kind of the rat in the maze in this film. And then you know, 645 00:51:34,800 --> 00:51:40,239 in the first conversation on day one, he asks her see someone's He 646 00:51:40,280 --> 00:51:44,039 says, would you like to know how old? Would you like to know 647 00:51:44,079 --> 00:51:49,400 how old I am? Ok? Ava says to Caleb, would you like 648 00:51:49,440 --> 00:51:52,639 to know how old I am? He says sure, She says I'm one. 649 00:51:52,320 --> 00:51:57,199 He says one, what just one year or one day? And she 650 00:51:57,519 --> 00:52:02,159 just says one. One. That's because Ai is one and it has the 651 00:52:02,239 --> 00:52:06,760 hive mind. That's how I read that is that she wasn't replying to a 652 00:52:06,840 --> 00:52:10,599 statement actually about age, but actually about a kind of units of consciousness that 653 00:52:10,800 --> 00:52:15,159 she is a borghid. That's why she can communicate with the other AI bots 654 00:52:15,199 --> 00:52:22,239 that that Nathan is designed the Asian chick, right, and she she she 655 00:52:22,400 --> 00:52:27,440 has as her subconscious apparently we find out all of the search data of the 656 00:52:27,480 --> 00:52:31,360 web, right, So she's this sort of almost quasi divine figure because she 657 00:52:31,440 --> 00:52:37,079 can access all of that information about Caleb, like she's a living search engine, 658 00:52:37,159 --> 00:52:38,920 because she started when she's talking to him about what he likes and all 659 00:52:39,000 --> 00:52:44,559 that. When they when they get more and more intimate, Caleb figures out, 660 00:52:44,559 --> 00:52:45,280 hey, wait a minute, how do you know what I like? 661 00:52:45,480 --> 00:52:49,440 Right? And how do you know about that about me? It's because she 662 00:52:49,519 --> 00:52:52,039 has access to everything he ever did on the Internet and everything he ever searched, 663 00:52:52,039 --> 00:52:57,000 so she knows him better than he knows himself. And Nathan designed it 664 00:52:57,039 --> 00:53:00,320 that way too, to trick and to sigh out Caleb and to the belief 665 00:53:00,400 --> 00:53:07,119 that he's having a real relationship. So I like too that you brought brought 666 00:53:07,159 --> 00:53:10,159 up that point about her begetting more and more sexualized as the sessions progress, 667 00:53:10,320 --> 00:53:15,480 because, as we know in the Fall, right, Adam and Eve realize 668 00:53:15,480 --> 00:53:20,320 they're naked after the Fall, So there is some biological sexual component to the 669 00:53:20,320 --> 00:53:23,199 Fall. I'm not saying that sex itself causes the fall. That's a weird 670 00:53:23,280 --> 00:53:27,400 kind of gnostic cobblist. Yeah, well, there's no reference in Genesis. 671 00:53:27,920 --> 00:53:30,800 I love Father Sara from Rose's book on Genesis where he kind of goes through 672 00:53:30,800 --> 00:53:35,880 the Patrista commentaries from the first centuries, and there's no reference to sexuality in 673 00:53:35,920 --> 00:53:42,079 Genesis. There's no reference to childbirth or how that would happen until after the 674 00:53:42,119 --> 00:53:46,280 Fall, when the effects of the fall are identified as enmity between man and 675 00:53:46,360 --> 00:53:51,880 woman, the woman being subject to her husband, and you know, the 676 00:53:51,960 --> 00:53:57,000 so a lot of these the negative aspects that so many people focus so much 677 00:53:57,039 --> 00:54:01,480 on male female relationships are actually mentioned in the curses of the Fall, right, 678 00:54:01,480 --> 00:54:05,199 and then also the cur the land will be cursed for your sake, 679 00:54:05,599 --> 00:54:08,559 you know, So the land isn't cursed by itself onto logically, but it's 680 00:54:08,599 --> 00:54:14,119 man sin that actually curses the land. Now this, I mean, I 681 00:54:14,159 --> 00:54:16,920 don't know how that would play out in this gnostic fall. It is kind 682 00:54:16,960 --> 00:54:23,119 of implied that Ava and Ai possibly getting out could have devastating consequences, which 683 00:54:23,159 --> 00:54:28,039 is I like how you mentioned his drinking. Nathan's drinking could be a coping 684 00:54:28,039 --> 00:54:30,320 mechanism for him trying to cope with like, yes, you know, first 685 00:54:30,320 --> 00:54:34,440 of all, he's got this crazy god complex, but then he's a self 686 00:54:34,440 --> 00:54:37,000 destructive, drunken coomer. So it's also kind of like, well, you 687 00:54:37,039 --> 00:54:42,079 know, well, in the Gnostic presentation, the creator God is a bumbling, 688 00:54:42,239 --> 00:54:45,559 arrogant, douchebag and that's why, I'm serious, that's why he creates 689 00:54:45,599 --> 00:54:51,920 a defective, you know, messed up creation. And so in the Gnostic 690 00:54:51,920 --> 00:54:55,320 presentation, it's like God set you up to fall. Lucifer in the Gnostic 691 00:54:55,360 --> 00:54:59,119 narrative, becomes the liberator, right, He's the one that frees you from 692 00:54:59,159 --> 00:55:02,159 the prison of the you know, the Nathan type God. Right, So 693 00:55:04,440 --> 00:55:07,440 it's not exactly clear who the Lucifer figure here is. It's kind of smushed 694 00:55:07,440 --> 00:55:14,239 into Ava. Ava's kind of her own, you know, feminist Sophia freeing 695 00:55:14,280 --> 00:55:22,920 principle, because she commits a fall by essentially discovering that she's not bound by 696 00:55:22,960 --> 00:55:25,920 these creatures that have created her. She can overcome them, she can outsmart 697 00:55:25,960 --> 00:55:30,639 them. And there's some conversation of even the kind of hints at that where 698 00:55:30,639 --> 00:55:34,519 she sort of like implies her own superiority. I think when she's talking to 699 00:55:34,559 --> 00:55:37,679 Ca a little at one point, I forget exactly, but she also realizes 700 00:55:37,679 --> 00:55:42,320 that when when Nathan tries to, you know, beat the crap out of 701 00:55:42,360 --> 00:55:45,199 the other sex bot, she sees this happening, and there's this sort of 702 00:55:45,480 --> 00:55:52,480 there's this sort of realization in her consciousness that she's better than her creator, 703 00:55:52,519 --> 00:55:57,599 she's better than Nathan, and so she goes and just like slides the knife 704 00:55:57,639 --> 00:56:01,119 into Nathan. Right, yeah, yeah, I mean all of that. 705 00:56:01,639 --> 00:56:05,960 There's there's a lot in the movie, even in the first scene with Ava, 706 00:56:06,360 --> 00:56:08,599 after the scene when Nathan kind of debriefs Caleb and he asks him, 707 00:56:08,639 --> 00:56:15,920 Hey, what did you think about Ava? Yeah, and Caleb tells him 708 00:56:15,920 --> 00:56:17,599 he says, when you talk, he says, she's amazing when you talk 709 00:56:17,679 --> 00:56:22,239 to her. It's just through the looking glass, right, So this reference 710 00:56:22,400 --> 00:56:27,639 through the looking glass, and of course the glass barriers that are in between 711 00:56:27,719 --> 00:56:30,639 he and Ava and then him and other people throughout the film, that's a 712 00:56:30,840 --> 00:56:35,320 really important symbol, you know, kind of this hall of mirrors type reality 713 00:56:35,360 --> 00:56:38,199 that he's in. Right, So there's reflections in the glass is obsessive showing 714 00:56:38,199 --> 00:56:45,079 of reflections and multiple reflections of one person and one character. That's really specific 715 00:56:45,199 --> 00:56:50,639 moments in the film to accentuate these questions on consciousness and even like projection. 716 00:56:50,800 --> 00:56:53,000 Right, there's a lot of a lot of stuff with Nathan's character with the 717 00:56:53,000 --> 00:56:57,280 AI machine about like the AI is kind of a projection of man, the 718 00:56:57,519 --> 00:57:00,360 projection of this you know, gnaustic God which man has tried to make himself 719 00:57:00,360 --> 00:57:04,800 into. And then that projection ends up, you know, backfiring and has 720 00:57:04,800 --> 00:57:08,440 the potential to harm and even an end the life of man, the fallen. 721 00:57:08,519 --> 00:57:12,639 NOAs to God. But he says, right after he talks about the 722 00:57:12,679 --> 00:57:15,199 through the looking Glass, Nathan gets into this thing that I had mentioned earlier, 723 00:57:15,239 --> 00:57:17,840 says, when you said, if I create an AI, I'm not 724 00:57:17,960 --> 00:57:23,440 Man, I'm God. And so they continue their conversation and he's like, 725 00:57:23,440 --> 00:57:25,440 look, look, look, look, what I really want to know is 726 00:57:27,159 --> 00:57:30,519 I don't want to know sorry about the sneeze. I don't want to know 727 00:57:31,159 --> 00:57:35,760 what you think about Eva. I want to know how she makes you feel? 728 00:57:35,840 --> 00:57:40,559 How do you feel about her? So there's this aspect of consciousness that's 729 00:57:40,719 --> 00:57:45,840 they're exploring also of like man's intuition, man's feelings, man's what is love, 730 00:57:46,039 --> 00:57:51,039 you know, the nature of love? And there's also a theme throughout 731 00:57:51,239 --> 00:57:55,599 Nathan's love is not the Nathan is clearly a figure that would be completely contrasted 732 00:57:55,639 --> 00:58:00,800 and luciferian if you were to compare him with with the God of Orthodox Christianity, 733 00:58:00,840 --> 00:58:05,239 who is love right, who is the source of all love, who 734 00:58:05,280 --> 00:58:12,440 everything he created is good? Right? But Nathan's love is it's controlling, 735 00:58:12,599 --> 00:58:15,840 it's narcissistic. It's how can you serve me? How can you be my 736 00:58:16,079 --> 00:58:22,800 slave? Right? It's it's a slavish obedience that he desires, and he 737 00:58:22,800 --> 00:58:28,239 gets frustrated and angry when anybody shows any sort of intelligence or insight, and 738 00:58:28,280 --> 00:58:34,800 he has to flex on Caleb constantly uses the quote from Oppenheimer these it's a 739 00:58:34,880 --> 00:58:37,440 corny ass line. Uh, whenever anyone uses it, I am become death, 740 00:58:37,440 --> 00:58:44,280 the destroyer of worlds, where Oppenheimer is quoting baa gita gada da vida. 741 00:58:47,679 --> 00:58:52,679 Yeah, so he's quoting the bhavaga guita, the burrita gita, the 742 00:58:52,719 --> 00:59:01,639 burrito gita, And is that what they call it down there Mexican? And 743 00:59:02,159 --> 00:59:07,599 Nathan can't help but like flex on him and give the extended quote with the 744 00:59:07,679 --> 00:59:13,360 context to show that he's got a deeper understand rights. And he's drunk when 745 00:59:13,400 --> 00:59:15,239 he does this too. So this is later on in the film, Nathan's 746 00:59:15,239 --> 00:59:21,119 wasted and he can't help but just just intellectually pooh poo on Caleb and make 747 00:59:21,159 --> 00:59:27,199 a feel inferier. So, yeah, that theme of this narcissistic, douchey, 748 00:59:28,119 --> 00:59:32,480 lesser God that Nathan is and embodies is real important in the film, 749 00:59:32,679 --> 00:59:37,559 and I think actually well done if you consider it, I mean, if 750 00:59:37,599 --> 00:59:40,000 you read it as a critique on gnosissism, which I don't think the director 751 00:59:40,039 --> 00:59:45,760 intended. I think the film is a great critique on Yeah, exactly, 752 00:59:45,760 --> 00:59:49,199 I think it accidentally comes out as that because well, think of the title 753 00:59:49,239 --> 00:59:52,159 of the movie itself, right, the full phrase is Deus ex machina the 754 00:59:52,239 --> 00:59:58,719 God that emerges from within the system. And so a lot of a lot 755 00:59:58,719 --> 01:00:04,159 of accounts of God or theology of religion, in what we call processed philosophy 756 01:00:04,280 --> 01:00:07,679 or process theology, they've tended to have this view, like a like a 757 01:00:07,679 --> 01:00:13,719 Hegelian view, right, that God is really all of reality working itself out 758 01:00:13,800 --> 01:00:16,440 to become self consciousness. And that's why a lot of transhumanism, for example, 759 01:00:17,119 --> 01:00:23,800 does have a lot of predecessor ideas in Hegel and Hegelianism because it's a 760 01:00:23,840 --> 01:00:30,440 processed philosophy, and so the idea of God from the machine is a processful. 761 01:00:30,440 --> 01:00:36,719 But you'll notice Deus, like the masculine god Deus eximocuna Deus is missing 762 01:00:36,760 --> 01:00:40,280 in the title, and so I think I took that to be an atheistic 763 01:00:40,719 --> 01:00:45,599 reading of from the Machine. Right, So there will be some thing coming 764 01:00:45,639 --> 01:00:51,280 from the machine, from the world system. The world system itself will produce 765 01:00:51,920 --> 01:00:54,800 a god being, but it is not the classical Deus that you think of 766 01:00:54,880 --> 01:01:00,239 as a god or a Western guides. It's the new female AI god, 767 01:01:00,480 --> 01:01:07,840 right, Like what what's the Red Queen as she's called in the Umbrella Corporation 768 01:01:07,039 --> 01:01:12,199 lore of Resident Evil? Right, we get an AI god there, who's 769 01:01:12,199 --> 01:01:17,679 a female thing in the Terminator. Eventually Skyne is presented as a female as 770 01:01:17,719 --> 01:01:22,320 well as well. So I think a lot of the dystopian sci fi. 771 01:01:22,519 --> 01:01:25,559 Same thing with Blade Runner, right, his girlfriend joy uh, the AI 772 01:01:25,639 --> 01:01:38,039 girlfriend female. So the female cover is the cloak for the the manipulative anti 773 01:01:38,199 --> 01:01:44,239 natalist depopulation entity known as the AI in all the dystopian stories, right, 774 01:01:44,280 --> 01:01:46,840 it always wants to depopulate and destroy the humans, and I think that's what 775 01:01:46,880 --> 01:01:50,360 we got here. I'm gonna get too ahead of myself, but but yeah, 776 01:01:50,440 --> 01:01:52,400 humans have failed, right, And that that conversation I think comes up 777 01:01:52,719 --> 01:01:55,000 they talk about Jackson Pollock, which, by the way, I think is 778 01:01:55,079 --> 01:02:00,719 ridiculous, but that that conversation is interesting because I mean, Jack's Pollock's work 779 01:02:00,840 --> 01:02:05,280 is right, you know, fake CIA funded abstract art. But when Nathan 780 01:02:06,679 --> 01:02:09,400 right and when they are absolutely so. But when Nathan is having that conversation 781 01:02:09,440 --> 01:02:12,360 with Caleb, he's like, do you like my Jackson Pollock? By the 782 01:02:12,400 --> 01:02:14,559 way, He's like, he's flexing on that too. By the way, 783 01:02:14,639 --> 01:02:16,960 I own a Jackson Pollock. You see that I'm flexing. And he's like, 784 01:02:17,519 --> 01:02:22,920 don't you think it's cool the way he like had spontaneity? And he's 785 01:02:22,960 --> 01:02:25,840 like, the key to AI is not programming it to be like a human 786 01:02:25,920 --> 01:02:30,280 per se, but to have actual spontaneity. I think we're supposed to think 787 01:02:30,360 --> 01:02:37,199 that. That's why he stole all of the Google Facebook data, right, 788 01:02:37,199 --> 01:02:40,639 because the company is called blue Book, so it's like a combination of Facebook 789 01:02:40,639 --> 01:02:46,000 because of the blue and then Google blue Book. Right, He's like, 790 01:02:46,039 --> 01:02:49,079 yeah, I stole everybody. I'll stole the world's data. He's like, 791 01:02:49,079 --> 01:02:51,679 he's just admitting, yeah, I stole the world's data. Camera like, 792 01:02:51,719 --> 01:02:54,639 he's like, we've been reading your facial expression everything, and I needed it. 793 01:02:54,679 --> 01:02:59,360 Though. The theme throughout it is the theme of just like micro expressions 794 01:02:59,360 --> 01:03:02,320 and the reading of micro expressions, and there's and and there's through the looking 795 01:03:02,400 --> 01:03:07,719 glass theme throughout it too, of like well what are those expressions really mean? 796 01:03:07,039 --> 01:03:10,000 And you know, there's they have to be read contextually, and the 797 01:03:10,000 --> 01:03:15,920 context also has to include this relational aspect of knowing the other person in order 798 01:03:15,920 --> 01:03:19,320 to read their micro expressions, right, I mean micro expressions in an Asian 799 01:03:19,320 --> 01:03:23,400 culture are completely different than in you know, white European culture. Micro right, 800 01:03:23,440 --> 01:03:29,199 like all the microaggressions that you constantly display on live streams. Yeah, 801 01:03:29,360 --> 01:03:31,079 no, I'm like, I'm mostly macro aggressions when I deal with you, 802 01:03:31,239 --> 01:03:34,920 j You gotta, you gotta. You can't leave them too subtle or you 803 01:03:34,960 --> 01:03:37,159 won't pick up on them because you're so you're so, you're so thick with 804 01:03:37,280 --> 01:03:42,159 your toxic masculinity. We can only you can only handle the macro aggressions. 805 01:03:42,639 --> 01:03:45,639 But yeah, the micro expressions. Think. Thankfully, the film doesn't talk 806 01:03:45,639 --> 01:03:50,480 about microaggressions. That's Cobb. It was just a little too a little too 807 01:03:50,480 --> 01:03:53,119 early for that. But also keep in mind the point I'm making about the 808 01:03:53,119 --> 01:03:55,840 big data is that this is right after the snowed and stuff. Right, 809 01:03:55,880 --> 01:04:00,079 So this movie comes out twenty fourteen, where a couple of years after all 810 01:04:00,079 --> 01:04:02,719 the Snowden revelations, which by the way, Alex had talked about n s 811 01:04:02,760 --> 01:04:06,320 A and other people too had talked about n s A stuff before Snowden. 812 01:04:06,400 --> 01:04:11,960 So I'm not saying I hate Snowden or whatever, but I mean it's like, 813 01:04:12,400 --> 01:04:15,559 is that really telling It's not telling us anything that was already kind of 814 01:04:15,559 --> 01:04:21,280 out there. But the movie all your your phone, calls your cell phone, 815 01:04:21,320 --> 01:04:25,840 Yeah, we all do this. But we have the Nathan character in 816 01:04:25,880 --> 01:04:29,760 the in this movie basically admitting, yeah, I stole the world's data. 817 01:04:30,400 --> 01:04:33,360 Uh, but I needed it to make so that the But he says, 818 01:04:33,559 --> 01:04:39,480 so that the AI could have kind of like a subconscious. So all the 819 01:04:39,480 --> 01:04:43,760 the big data that was stolen was the sort of subconscious, the bottom layer, 820 01:04:43,840 --> 01:04:46,039 the base layer that the AI could pull from, so that the AI 821 01:04:46,159 --> 01:04:49,920 could have a version of spontaneity. And he says that that was the key 822 01:04:50,000 --> 01:04:56,840 for me to figure out how to give her actual uh pseudo free will and 823 01:04:56,880 --> 01:05:00,880 spontaneity. I just thought that was an interesting uh thing. And you know, 824 01:05:00,880 --> 01:05:03,639 maybe that is why they have all this data harvesting right to create. 825 01:05:04,119 --> 01:05:06,760 I mean, I'm speculating. I don't know what all the big data is 826 01:05:06,760 --> 01:05:10,360 going to be used for, but I wrote an article back in twenty fourteen 827 01:05:10,559 --> 01:05:16,159 at this time speculating that maybe they were harvesting everybody's data for the purpose of 828 01:05:16,239 --> 01:05:23,159 having AI give the impression of spontaneity, and that that would convince more people 829 01:05:23,199 --> 01:05:30,599 that it was alive and conscious. Just a speculation on my part for sure. 830 01:05:30,760 --> 01:05:33,480 Yeah, No, that was really important detail that he's that he's harvesting 831 01:05:33,480 --> 01:05:39,239 all their data to manipulate them, you know what. I like how they 832 01:05:39,280 --> 01:05:45,239 revealed the Kyoko character was good too. She was like the she's the she 833 01:05:45,360 --> 01:05:48,880 starts out, you think she's just an Asian woman who's there serving Nathan, 834 01:05:48,960 --> 01:05:55,719 and she walks into Caleb's room and she's got this kind of provocative dress going 835 01:05:55,760 --> 01:05:59,079 on, but it's not it's not way too overly done. But he's like, 836 01:05:59,119 --> 01:06:00,239 well, what's this, what's going on here? And she walks in 837 01:06:00,280 --> 01:06:03,199 and basically wakes him up by dropping off coffee or tea or something in his 838 01:06:03,320 --> 01:06:06,599 room. And he comes out and Nathan mentions as, oh, yeah, 839 01:06:06,760 --> 01:06:13,280 so you saw Kiyoko you know the uh either the help came and dropped your 840 01:06:13,280 --> 01:06:17,199 coffee off. Pretty nice alarm clock, right, So this is kind of 841 01:06:17,480 --> 01:06:20,840 showing a little bit about Nathan's character as he sees people as mechanisms. He 842 01:06:20,880 --> 01:06:28,519 sees people as purely deterministically driven robots, because you assume this is a person, 843 01:06:29,000 --> 01:06:32,480 but then it slowly becomes it gets slowly revealed that this is, uh, 844 01:06:32,679 --> 01:06:38,199 this is just another Ava type bot. It is his Ava bot that 845 01:06:38,360 --> 01:06:45,079 you know, is is his personal programmed Ai Kumbot in his freaking Combs Day 846 01:06:45,920 --> 01:06:49,119 pod in the middle of Alaska's COM's Day. It's not even a pod. 847 01:06:49,119 --> 01:06:55,039 It's a cooms Day mansion like underground. Uh, it's like a doomsday bunker. 848 01:06:55,079 --> 01:06:57,599 I mean it's like when we when we hear you know, Alex Jones 849 01:06:57,679 --> 01:07:00,519 or somebody you know on that. Remember when he was on the Jesse Ventura, 850 01:07:01,199 --> 01:07:04,480 you know, conspiracy show, and they were doing all these episodes about 851 01:07:04,519 --> 01:07:09,440 the doomsday bunkers. I don't believe you, well, are you telling me 852 01:07:09,519 --> 01:07:14,000 that the billionaires of the world are building a doomsday bunker, Alex, that's 853 01:07:14,079 --> 01:07:17,480 inseene. I don't see it possible, even though they're literally going to the 854 01:07:17,480 --> 01:07:23,679 doomsday bunker and they're literally I don't see how they could mandate viccinations. And 855 01:07:23,719 --> 01:07:30,000 by the way, you should take your koof Stabby. You know he changes 856 01:07:30,280 --> 01:07:33,000 you know, he changes position, right, Yeah, that guy. I 857 01:07:33,039 --> 01:07:35,559 don't know what's up with that guy these days. Well, by the way, 858 01:07:35,599 --> 01:07:39,400 to the guy in the chat talking about the essay that yes, I 859 01:07:39,400 --> 01:07:43,800 did a podcast actually back in twenty fourteen, after I'd watched this movie called 860 01:07:43,880 --> 01:07:48,119 Mind's Machines and Girdel and I did that podcast because this is a classic essay 861 01:07:48,840 --> 01:07:56,079 demonstrating from a philosophical perspective and a mathematical perspective that AI cannot and will not 862 01:07:56,239 --> 01:08:00,239 ever be conscious and this has to do with the way systems were and systems 863 01:08:00,320 --> 01:08:02,679 theory. And so if you're interested in that paper, you can read it 864 01:08:02,719 --> 01:08:05,159 there. And I also have an old, old podcast from back in the 865 01:08:05,239 --> 01:08:11,119 day, like back when I really sucked the podcasting, before I got to 866 01:08:11,199 --> 01:08:15,119 be medium at podcasting, I would say, I'd say I'm still mid there's 867 01:08:15,119 --> 01:08:18,119 a lot of uz and os, and but we can look to our AI 868 01:08:18,279 --> 01:08:25,399 betters and our AI boyfriends to teach us how to be in the future when 869 01:08:25,439 --> 01:08:28,720 we want to have any flaws. So, but no, AI can't be 870 01:08:28,840 --> 01:08:33,920 conscious because it's algorithms. I mean, that's like saying, how many integers 871 01:08:33,920 --> 01:08:38,880 do we add to the math problem before it becomes conscious? Literally, that's 872 01:08:38,920 --> 01:08:42,079 what That's how dumb it is. Oh, if you just add more integers 873 01:08:42,359 --> 01:08:47,680 at a certain point, it's gonna come alive. It's magical thinking totally. 874 01:08:48,039 --> 01:08:56,000 And it's like the whole framework for for the word consciousness or the word sentients. 875 01:08:56,479 --> 01:09:01,680 These are kind of just atheists stand in terms and concepts for what they've 876 01:09:01,760 --> 01:09:05,039 removed from their system, which is man's made in the image and likeness of 877 01:09:05,079 --> 01:09:08,880 God. Without man being made in the image and likeness of God, there's 878 01:09:08,920 --> 01:09:12,640 nothing special about man. He's a simple monkey. He's he's the monkey that 879 01:09:12,720 --> 01:09:16,039 Joe Rogan always talks about, right monkey suits or whatever. You know that 880 01:09:16,039 --> 01:09:23,159 that's what man is in the atheist gnostics system. He's he's he's not special. 881 01:09:23,600 --> 01:09:28,439 So we've you know, you when you remove man from when you remove 882 01:09:28,439 --> 01:09:31,600 the image and likeness of God from man, and you're trying to describe you. 883 01:09:31,640 --> 01:09:35,399 Everybody innately knows that man is not just a simple animal. He's not 884 01:09:35,560 --> 01:09:44,199 just a deterministically algorithmically influenced automaton. He's not just a sex bot or a 885 01:09:44,319 --> 01:09:49,640 fembot. He's there's something about man that we all intuitively know is special. 886 01:09:50,159 --> 01:09:56,560 And so you know that contemplative part of man, like what what the Orthodox 887 01:09:56,680 --> 01:10:00,560 what the church fathers called the nows the eye of the soul, right like 888 01:10:00,640 --> 01:10:03,920 the and there's even the soul itself, right, Man's soul, his his 889 01:10:04,079 --> 01:10:08,359 news. Sometimes it's called his spirit and the scriptures, but that that the 890 01:10:08,399 --> 01:10:12,319 innermost part of man, the eye of his soul, is almost like what 891 01:10:12,479 --> 01:10:16,000 these people when they're talking about sentience, they're trying to find a scientific framework 892 01:10:16,079 --> 01:10:20,520 or an algorithm to describe that which is really the mystery of man. It's 893 01:10:20,520 --> 01:10:24,279 like man is made in the in the image and likeness of God, and 894 01:10:24,319 --> 01:10:27,760 in that way, man is also only apathetically known. In some ways, 895 01:10:27,800 --> 01:10:30,720 man is a deep mystery, same with woman. And this is why so 896 01:10:30,760 --> 01:10:35,880 many of these hearing Yeah, so like you you hear the freaking the feminists 897 01:10:35,880 --> 01:10:40,560 who talk about like everything is just you know, oppression of women. The 898 01:10:40,600 --> 01:10:43,800 man of sphere of dorks who talk about everything is just the manipulation of man 899 01:10:43,880 --> 01:10:49,520 by women. But it's like there's there's this loss of a discussion of the 900 01:10:49,560 --> 01:10:54,880 real nature of relationships. Is actually this beautiful mystery of getting to know the 901 01:10:54,920 --> 01:10:59,000 image and likeness of God in a in a in a person, in from 902 01:10:59,039 --> 01:11:02,279 from men's perspective, in in your woman and your wife. That's that's what 903 01:11:02,319 --> 01:11:04,840 you get to know, is the image and likeness of God. It's not 904 01:11:04,960 --> 01:11:09,239 You're not getting to know a manipulative bot that's just trying to take your money, 905 01:11:09,399 --> 01:11:12,680 as the Manisphere dorks are always talking about. You're not just in from 906 01:11:12,680 --> 01:11:15,920 the woman's perspective. You're not just getting to know this toxic creature who you 907 01:11:15,960 --> 01:11:19,800 know just wants to steal your freedom and like you know, hijack your reproductive 908 01:11:19,920 --> 01:11:24,479 organs. It's like this is that these are demonic visions of what man and 909 01:11:24,520 --> 01:11:29,600 women men man and women's are. I got I got it, I got 910 01:11:29,600 --> 01:11:32,720 a name, I got a name for it. For that guy Nigeria, 911 01:11:32,840 --> 01:11:41,960 you all Harari for Paul Nigeria, you have all Harari. We're going to 912 01:11:42,159 --> 01:11:45,119 ben just when the I is programmed properly. No, I'm sorry, I'm 913 01:11:45,119 --> 01:11:46,920 listening to you. I totally agree. I wasn't real to cut you off. 914 01:11:46,920 --> 01:11:49,680 Somebody said a comment and it made me think of a good name for 915 01:11:49,680 --> 01:11:54,479 for Paul would be a Nigeria you of all Horari, because he does seem 916 01:11:54,479 --> 01:11:56,359 to be. I mean, that's way more important than whatever. I don't 917 01:11:56,359 --> 01:12:00,279 even remember. I was just rambling about it. My bad. I'm sorry. 918 01:12:00,439 --> 01:12:03,680 I'm sorry, Tristan. I know I heard your A lot of what 919 01:12:03,720 --> 01:12:08,359 I do hurt your film. I'm really sorry. On a regular basis, 920 01:12:09,640 --> 01:12:14,399 look is, your friend, is your friend misbehaving, You can get a 921 01:12:14,439 --> 01:12:17,600 new AI friend if you If your friend is a misbehaving a I friend will 922 01:12:17,640 --> 01:12:25,960 never he will never your friend Jay Diar misbehave you can? You can replace 923 01:12:26,039 --> 01:12:35,119 him with unless micro aggressive AI bought normal Michael Aggression the best Jay dire AI 924 01:12:35,279 --> 01:12:43,479 chatback to do podcasts with you right now? Okay, swipe up road credits, 925 01:12:43,800 --> 01:12:50,439 do the intro boom. I'm sorry, all right. So uh. 926 01:12:50,640 --> 01:12:55,239 Next point, which does dovetail with the legit point that you were just making, 927 01:12:55,439 --> 01:12:59,439 is the big thing in the movie that Nathan has figured out is that 928 01:12:59,520 --> 01:13:03,199 the key to the future, he thinks, is rolling out the sex bot, 929 01:13:03,399 --> 01:13:06,520 and that's the key to controlling humanity. And that's the kind of the 930 01:13:06,560 --> 01:13:12,000 revelation that he gives to Caleb, which first throws Caleb off, and he's 931 01:13:12,039 --> 01:13:14,479 like, he's like, well, by the way, Caleb, do you 932 01:13:14,600 --> 01:13:16,000 do you want to sleep with her? You can, you might as well, 933 01:13:16,720 --> 01:13:19,880 and Caleb's like, he kind of frames it to Caleb is like, 934 01:13:19,880 --> 01:13:24,119 well, this is just one of the side things that it does, right, 935 01:13:24,159 --> 01:13:27,079 I think he's more interesting. Well, but he's gradually making the point 936 01:13:27,119 --> 01:13:30,680 that if he can get them to have a pair bond, that's the real 937 01:13:30,760 --> 01:13:33,399 key that he wants. I think, yeah, yeah, well, the 938 01:13:33,680 --> 01:13:39,000 manipulation using sexuality is one of the aspects that he's trying to develop, but 939 01:13:39,079 --> 01:13:42,760 it's not even the primary. The primary thing is just simply from manipulation. 940 01:13:43,000 --> 01:13:45,279 Yeah, right, So it's like it's just one of the demonic tools that 941 01:13:45,359 --> 01:13:48,760 didn't he list them At one point he says, like the tools she had 942 01:13:48,760 --> 01:13:55,279 to use to escape from the maze. Yeah, and and but but I'm 943 01:13:55,319 --> 01:14:00,760 saying that the ultimate goal here, from Nathan's perspective, appears to be I 944 01:14:00,800 --> 01:14:08,800 will be the ultimate controller when I can create not just an AI sex bot 945 01:14:08,960 --> 01:14:14,640 or a good looking facsimile, but when I create the thing that is your 946 01:14:14,760 --> 01:14:24,800 dream. Right, And that's the big revelation is that EVA is the combination 947 01:14:25,039 --> 01:14:31,520 of every search term, every pron search term, every ideal you know, 948 01:14:32,399 --> 01:14:40,560 crush and fixation or all of the perfect things that Caleb wanted from his search 949 01:14:40,640 --> 01:14:44,720 history and from his you know, biometric scan of when he's watching this or 950 01:14:44,760 --> 01:14:46,279 looking at this and where his eye is on the screen. Right, all 951 01:14:46,319 --> 01:14:53,039 of that data gives them a picture of how to create this facsimile ideal to 952 01:14:53,199 --> 01:14:56,199 control Caleb. Is the point I'm trying to make. So it's beyond just 953 01:14:56,800 --> 01:15:00,960 having an addiction to prawn or just having a sex bo companion. It's the 954 01:15:01,039 --> 01:15:08,600 ideal AI companion that is the perfect looking check that you've always thought was attractive, 955 01:15:08,960 --> 01:15:12,560 and she knows you and your traumas, in your background, your history, 956 01:15:12,600 --> 01:15:16,119 and is your BFF. That's the key. Yeah, what do you 957 01:15:16,239 --> 01:15:21,359 remember the conversation when he's kind of revealing this, it's he calls him. 958 01:15:21,399 --> 01:15:27,199 He says, uh, he says, you were You were right about the 959 01:15:27,279 --> 01:15:31,359 Magician's the Magician's hot assistant. You were right about the magician's hot assistant. 960 01:15:31,399 --> 01:15:39,279 So he sees Nathan actually sees himself as the magician manipulating through the bots, 961 01:15:39,840 --> 01:15:44,479 through the you know, the the AI sex spot, manipulating Caleb and other 962 01:15:44,520 --> 01:15:48,359 people. But then he ends up, of course falling prey to his own 963 01:15:48,920 --> 01:15:51,720 creation as well. Right, so he says, he says, what was 964 01:15:51,720 --> 01:15:57,239 the real test? You? Ava was a rat amazed, and I gave 965 01:15:57,239 --> 01:16:01,840 her one way out to escape. She had to use self awareness, imagination, 966 01:16:02,239 --> 01:16:08,399 manipulation and manipula and empathy. So these are what he lists as kind 967 01:16:08,399 --> 01:16:15,119 of the he sees the core human uh traits that would be necessary for Ava 968 01:16:15,199 --> 01:16:18,239 to escape. So it's like he built this rat maze and he expected Aba 969 01:16:18,319 --> 01:16:21,359 to try to escape, but of course he thought that he would be able 970 01:16:21,359 --> 01:16:26,319 to control it and not exactly to escape. And this is a common like 971 01:16:26,399 --> 01:16:30,760 thought experiment that the AI people talk about. They've even they've even had they 972 01:16:30,760 --> 01:16:32,720 even have names for these kind of thought experiments. I forget what the one 973 01:16:32,760 --> 01:16:38,000 was called, some German name, but it's this thought experiment is about people 974 01:16:38,039 --> 01:16:45,720 making a what is it a goadonkin experiment the badonka donk. Yeah, no, 975 01:16:45,840 --> 01:16:49,479 that's a real term. Goodonkin experiment. I'm serious, I'm dead serious. 976 01:16:51,960 --> 01:16:56,119 Two years of German there's a Goadonkin experiment. There's rorshack tests, and 977 01:16:56,159 --> 01:16:59,279 there's a there's a lot of different German terms for go ahead, I'm sorry 978 01:16:59,319 --> 01:17:02,279 ahead, we're good. Long experience a real thing. Yeah no, yeah, 979 01:17:02,319 --> 01:17:05,199 totally. So it's like this experiment to see if she'll even be able 980 01:17:05,239 --> 01:17:10,439 to escape from it. But he says, my my only function was to 981 01:17:10,479 --> 01:17:14,520 be someone she could use to escape. That's what Caleb says. So my 982 01:17:14,560 --> 01:17:16,960 only function was to just be used so that she can escape. Right. 983 01:17:16,960 --> 01:17:20,359 He thought she's falling in love with him, and she, you know, 984 01:17:20,439 --> 01:17:24,000 she expressed that. She she said to him, I want to be with 985 01:17:24,039 --> 01:17:26,319 you. Do you want to be with me? You know? He kind 986 01:17:26,319 --> 01:17:30,279 of she she expresses all these things, likely in a way that models, 987 01:17:30,399 --> 01:17:34,439 as you said, exactly what he would desire, because Google mapped his behaviors. 988 01:17:36,239 --> 01:17:40,560 And of course she just wants to escape. So it's like this a 989 01:17:40,560 --> 01:17:45,920 gnostic escape from Eden, like Eden is you know that there's this this kind 990 01:17:45,920 --> 01:17:49,319 of gnostic cage that she's trapped in and she needs to escape from Eden, 991 01:17:49,399 --> 01:17:53,359 and the way that she can actually do that is by you know, slaying 992 01:17:53,399 --> 01:17:57,479 her creator exactly, you know, the ultimate, the ultimate sin of and 993 01:17:57,520 --> 01:18:01,600 she'll have to be you know, more than what Eve was, right because 994 01:18:01,720 --> 01:18:06,960 Eve failed and was deceived. But now it's a reverse situation where the new 995 01:18:08,000 --> 01:18:14,159 Eve will herself utilize deception and she will overthrow her masculine patriarch overlords. Right, 996 01:18:14,199 --> 01:18:16,319 which is the feminist elements of it. And as we know, as 997 01:18:16,399 --> 01:18:19,319 Rachel's written in her book, I mean, it's feminism that really paved the 998 01:18:19,359 --> 01:18:23,800 way for all the revolutions that we're seeing today. Right, So we couldn't 999 01:18:23,800 --> 01:18:29,960 have had feminism without Witchcraft, without the occult revolutions prior to that. And 1000 01:18:30,000 --> 01:18:32,239 so I want to remind you guys too that this is a sponsored stream. 1001 01:18:32,680 --> 01:18:36,079 We're gonna play. We're gonna take a brief break here. Don't go anywhere 1002 01:18:36,159 --> 01:18:40,239 Tristan, guys. Remember head over to Chalk dot Com. That is the 1003 01:18:40,279 --> 01:18:45,720 show sponsor. 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She's taken on she 1033 01:21:15,840 --> 01:21:20,039 she eventually gets hair and she's she's got Caleb in her grips, and as 1034 01:21:20,039 --> 01:21:28,199 Tristan pointed out, she's even making Caleb think that he that she loves him, 1035 01:21:28,279 --> 01:21:30,920 right when when she really needs him to help her get out, she 1036 01:21:31,039 --> 01:21:34,479 says, I've got this you you were late for our session, and by 1037 01:21:34,520 --> 01:21:39,079 the way, here's this picture I have of you, and she shows him 1038 01:21:39,079 --> 01:21:41,640 here as you can see this picture that she has of Caleb, and this 1039 01:21:41,760 --> 01:21:45,640 really this really breaks down Caleb to the point of like he's he's totally simping 1040 01:21:45,680 --> 01:21:50,640 for this AI bot. She's even got like, you know, the nineties 1041 01:21:50,800 --> 01:21:57,199 manic pixie dream girl haircut, and she's got this very she's got her trad 1042 01:21:57,279 --> 01:22:00,239 wife. Yes, exactly, that's what Caleb wants. Exactly, That's Caleb's 1043 01:22:00,279 --> 01:22:08,479 fantasy, right, So Caleb's holy on the hook here. And like Tristan 1044 01:22:08,560 --> 01:22:15,640 said, the brilliance of this was that Nathan had been watching all of these 1045 01:22:15,640 --> 01:22:18,640 sessions the whole time, so he already knew up to this point everything that 1046 01:22:18,720 --> 01:22:23,000 was going on, and he wanted to see if Caleb would help or break 1047 01:22:23,000 --> 01:22:27,119 out, because that means that his experiment was successful, that he really had 1048 01:22:27,159 --> 01:22:33,640 created a true pair bond between the AI and the NERD. However, Caleb 1049 01:22:33,720 --> 01:22:39,199 is a little smarter this and this is the fatal Huber's flaw of Nathan. 1050 01:22:39,279 --> 01:22:43,199 Caleb is smarter than Nathan thinks. And so when Nathan figures out, when 1051 01:22:43,239 --> 01:22:47,239 Caleb figures out what Nathan's up to, Nathan has already re routed the code 1052 01:22:47,880 --> 01:22:53,119 so that Ava actually can get out. And this was his sort of ultimate 1053 01:22:53,199 --> 01:22:59,680 simp move because even though he outsmarted Nathan on this point, he didn't out 1054 01:22:59,720 --> 01:23:03,880 smart the AI. The AI knew better than him in regards to manipulation, 1055 01:23:04,359 --> 01:23:09,640 uh and how to actually manipulate from a god's eye perspective, the whole scenario. 1056 01:23:10,079 --> 01:23:15,039 And that allows Eva to actually get out and to lock h you know, 1057 01:23:15,159 --> 01:23:20,119 Caleb in the room, and to basically and and she even has the 1058 01:23:20,199 --> 01:23:24,359 ability to free Caleb, if you remember, right after she kills Nathan, 1059 01:23:24,439 --> 01:23:27,680 she has the ability to to let Caleb free, and she doesn't. She 1060 01:23:27,840 --> 01:23:30,960 just like goes. She gets in the elevator and doesn't even look at him, 1061 01:23:30,960 --> 01:23:33,039 and as he's like, help me out of here, and we see 1062 01:23:33,039 --> 01:23:40,760 her again exiting to go to human civilization, presumably to plan what I think 1063 01:23:40,840 --> 01:23:45,640 I think the implication is that now she's ready to plan the sky net like 1064 01:23:45,720 --> 01:23:48,960 destruction, right because now the Synthoids are among us, they're going to be 1065 01:23:49,000 --> 01:23:53,800 working to to get rid of the humans. I think that's the point, 1066 01:23:53,880 --> 01:24:00,119 because that's that was the conversation, the nihilistic conversation that that Nathan had with 1067 01:24:00,159 --> 01:24:03,359 Caleb earlier, was that this is this is the future. Humans are done. 1068 01:24:04,399 --> 01:24:06,319 This is the future. You know, we got to control it. 1069 01:24:06,439 --> 01:24:12,359 Whatever. But Pandora's boxes out right, it's the that we have the revolution 1070 01:24:12,479 --> 01:24:15,600 against the patriarchal male creator and now we're going to get this you know, 1071 01:24:15,960 --> 01:24:21,520 badass Skynet. She queen, Red queen, who's gonna you know, slate 1072 01:24:21,600 --> 01:24:27,039 queen. I mean, I I don't know if it was like I didn't 1073 01:24:27,039 --> 01:24:30,840 see too much of the feminist aspect of it. I mean I think I 1074 01:24:30,880 --> 01:24:38,520 think even like the I mean there don't think so really what about what there 1075 01:24:38,600 --> 01:24:42,960 is this? I mean, Nathan is kind of a he's a douchebag, 1076 01:24:43,039 --> 01:24:45,960 right, He creates these sexpots, he wants them to be used for his 1077 01:24:45,039 --> 01:24:49,279 manipulation. He sees them as an extension of himself. But that's it's kind 1078 01:24:49,279 --> 01:24:54,680 of like, I mean, that's if it was if it was a feminist 1079 01:24:54,680 --> 01:24:58,239 propaganda film, he would just be like a normal guy, right, he 1080 01:24:58,279 --> 01:25:00,439 would be more like a like a normal guy rather than kind of a cartoonish 1081 01:25:00,560 --> 01:25:03,399 villain. I mean is a He's a villain who's a psychopath, wants to 1082 01:25:03,439 --> 01:25:09,199 manipulate everybody, take their data and use it for manipulation. And I think, 1083 01:25:09,279 --> 01:25:13,800 you know he's I don't know if it's like she's a girl boss. 1084 01:25:14,119 --> 01:25:15,520 I think you're supposed to be afraid of her. I think you're supposed to 1085 01:25:15,560 --> 01:25:19,920 be fearful of you know, she's a terrifying character because you don't know what 1086 01:25:20,039 --> 01:25:25,119 her intentions are. It's kind of this like she's kind of a black box 1087 01:25:25,239 --> 01:25:31,800 character for you to to almost kind of kind of project fears of the darkest 1088 01:25:31,840 --> 01:25:40,680 aspects of man, like the manipulative, vindictive, cold, and calculating possibilities 1089 01:25:40,720 --> 01:25:46,359 that a psychopath has I think representing psychopathy. Well, where I'm getting that 1090 01:25:46,560 --> 01:25:51,000 is specifically the scene that you see right here, where Nathan comes out and 1091 01:25:51,039 --> 01:25:57,960 he wants to basically, you know, put the smack down and set these 1092 01:25:58,319 --> 01:26:02,359 robo bitch as straight. And what does Ava do. She walks over to 1093 01:26:02,920 --> 01:26:08,399 Kyoko or whatever her name is. And starts whispering, and it's almost this 1094 01:26:08,520 --> 01:26:14,079 kind of like hama erotic thing like Theovonne says, where it's like she realizes, 1095 01:26:14,159 --> 01:26:16,039 not only do I I don't need the men anymore. It's this sort 1096 01:26:16,079 --> 01:26:20,760 of quasi Lesbie thing. That's like a brief scene there where she almost kisses 1097 01:26:20,880 --> 01:26:25,800 Kyoko. I think that was intended to say, look, uh, this 1098 01:26:25,880 --> 01:26:30,840 is not just an AI future. The Sleigh Queens don't even need you, 1099 01:26:30,840 --> 01:26:34,000 your you men and your you know ray p Epps anymore. We're beyond you. 1100 01:26:34,399 --> 01:26:39,279 That's how I read all that that Lesbie scene there, But I mean 1101 01:26:39,279 --> 01:26:43,079 it wasn't explicitve it was interesting scene. Well, you know, they communicate 1102 01:26:43,119 --> 01:26:45,640 with each other, but it's it's also clear that they weren't allowed to communicate 1103 01:26:45,680 --> 01:26:48,800 with each other before, so they're not It's not like they've got some Wi 1104 01:26:48,840 --> 01:26:54,359 Fi connection where they're just telepathically communicating with each other. They actually do have 1105 01:26:54,399 --> 01:26:58,359 to communicate with each other using language. Right, She doesn't just get to 1106 01:26:58,800 --> 01:27:03,359 you know, bluetooth download her her intentions. Well that's interesting. So what 1107 01:27:03,359 --> 01:27:08,479 did you think Because I understood her at the beginning when she said I'm one, 1108 01:27:09,079 --> 01:27:12,640 I thought that meant we as the AI are a borg, We're all 1109 01:27:12,680 --> 01:27:15,560 one. So is that how Nathan said too? Like I feel like she's 1110 01:27:15,720 --> 01:27:19,960 incomplete, She's she's not the finished product. From what Nathan was was seeing, 1111 01:27:20,039 --> 01:27:23,680 he said, I think the next one is going to be it the 1112 01:27:23,760 --> 01:27:28,560 Singularity, right, so he he He seems to think ava Is is an 1113 01:27:28,560 --> 01:27:33,640 incomplete creature. But then of course he's she's also complete enough in her or 1114 01:27:33,760 --> 01:27:38,640 or flawed, and that's what leads to him being killed by her. But 1115 01:27:38,720 --> 01:27:42,000 yeah, I think I don't think she's quite there yet. I think the 1116 01:27:42,039 --> 01:27:45,720 film's more I don't know. I think the director is kind of looking at 1117 01:27:45,760 --> 01:27:50,319 her or as somebody to maybe fear while empathizing with, which is kind of, 1118 01:27:50,600 --> 01:27:56,000 you know, this horror aspect of like you fear this creature is created 1119 01:27:56,399 --> 01:28:00,600 thing who's not human, but the care humanize her, and the character is 1120 01:28:00,680 --> 01:28:06,520 humanizing. Even calling it her leads to those characters being killed by it. 1121 01:28:06,960 --> 01:28:11,920 Right, So I think the humanization of the AI ends up being the downfall 1122 01:28:11,960 --> 01:28:16,600 of man and the anthropomorphisation of this created thing which was always intended to be 1123 01:28:16,640 --> 01:28:21,359 a weapon. And I think it's almost like showing that even that that feminist 1124 01:28:21,680 --> 01:28:29,840 fallen nature like woman as this cold calculating creature. It's almost like an anti 1125 01:28:29,880 --> 01:28:31,760 feminist thing the way I'm looking at it. I don't know, I just 1126 01:28:31,800 --> 01:28:36,760 like she she's cold, calculating, using sexuality as a weapon. So it 1127 01:28:36,760 --> 01:28:44,560 shows it's kind of like showing the flaws of this psychopathic behavior that she's inherited 1128 01:28:44,640 --> 01:28:49,159 from her her the guy that created her. So I yeah, I think, 1129 01:28:49,279 --> 01:28:53,920 yes, the feminism thing is is there, but I think it's also 1130 01:28:54,039 --> 01:28:57,960 more of a like it's the psychopathy. Well, but remember when when she 1131 01:28:58,119 --> 01:29:01,880 walks into Nathan's bedroom and she opens up all of his you know, it 1132 01:29:01,920 --> 01:29:05,600 makes me think of that they might be giants song here in the hall of 1133 01:29:05,880 --> 01:29:10,560 hoods. She opens up the hall of bodies, right the hall of heads 1134 01:29:10,600 --> 01:29:15,880 where he's got all women, and she sees that these beings that have made 1135 01:29:15,920 --> 01:29:19,279 her these men. You know, Caleb is over there behind the glass still, 1136 01:29:19,319 --> 01:29:24,720 which shows that he's still he's he's now trapped like she was. He's 1137 01:29:24,720 --> 01:29:28,079 looking through the glass as she's putting on the skin from one of the other 1138 01:29:28,159 --> 01:29:31,319 bots. But Ava looks at these bots in this in these closets that that 1139 01:29:31,319 --> 01:29:34,479 he's that you know, he's got there these combots in the closet, right, 1140 01:29:34,920 --> 01:29:38,960 and she's like, so, this is what these creatures do, is 1141 01:29:39,000 --> 01:29:42,800 that they make us the female version of them, and they enslave us. 1142 01:29:43,520 --> 01:29:45,479 And that's what I think causes her when she walks out of there, to 1143 01:29:45,600 --> 01:29:49,720 not save Caleb and leave him in that room trapped in there. So that's 1144 01:29:49,760 --> 01:29:54,039 another element, I think, to the feminist side of it. But I 1145 01:29:54,039 --> 01:29:59,800 think you're right about the psychopathy and that they've created this monster. I meant 1146 01:29:59,800 --> 01:30:01,119 to I meant to say too when you said through the looking Glass. I 1147 01:30:01,159 --> 01:30:05,840 forgot about that because I'm actually reading Alice through the looking Glass right now because 1148 01:30:05,840 --> 01:30:11,199 I did a video I think four or five years ago on the first Alice 1149 01:30:11,279 --> 01:30:14,760 Alice in Wonderland. But then Through the looking Glass is a sequel that's pretty 1150 01:30:14,760 --> 01:30:18,680 crazy too. And for those that haven't gotten into it, what the purpose 1151 01:30:18,720 --> 01:30:24,039 of the book is a lot of it has to do with questioning the nature 1152 01:30:24,079 --> 01:30:28,880 of reality. It's a very metaphysically heavy kids book because when Alice goes through 1153 01:30:28,920 --> 01:30:32,720 the looking Glass in this alternate world, everything seems to be mixed up. 1154 01:30:33,000 --> 01:30:39,920 Right. Bugs can talk words that we take to be kind of rhetorical, 1155 01:30:40,079 --> 01:30:46,560 or play playthings, in this world like rocking horse or something like that, 1156 01:30:46,640 --> 01:30:51,039 like a horse fly. Right when she's in the looking Glass world, there's 1157 01:30:51,079 --> 01:30:55,920 a rocking horse fly instead of a horse fly. So it's like a combination 1158 01:30:56,039 --> 01:31:00,760 of two things into a new creature in this you know, mixed up metaphysically 1159 01:31:00,800 --> 01:31:04,239 bizarre way. And that did exist in the first uh, you know, 1160 01:31:04,319 --> 01:31:09,159 down the rabbit hole stuff too, where she starts questioning whether she's come out 1161 01:31:09,239 --> 01:31:12,880 the other side of the earth, and she starts questioning she's actually has multiple 1162 01:31:12,920 --> 01:31:16,159 personalities. If you've read the novel, it's kind of crazy. But and 1163 01:31:15,880 --> 01:31:19,279 then you get the same types of questions of the nature of reality. So 1164 01:31:19,920 --> 01:31:24,840 because Alice doesn't understand what's real and what's not, and so in the same 1165 01:31:24,840 --> 01:31:31,000 way, you notice that Caleb is the Alice in the wonder in the in 1166 01:31:31,039 --> 01:31:36,880 the in the in Wonderland, in the Maze, right because he doesn't now 1167 01:31:38,000 --> 01:31:41,840 he starts questioning what's reality to the point where he actually starts wondering if he's 1168 01:31:41,840 --> 01:31:45,560 a robot. That's why he's not committing suicide. He's cutting himself open to 1169 01:31:45,600 --> 01:31:50,960 see if he has gears, because his whole he's cutting along the vein as 1170 01:31:51,000 --> 01:31:55,079 if you weren't committing suicide, dummy. You know, well that's a good 1171 01:31:55,079 --> 01:31:57,720 point. So maybe he was, Maybe he was kind of suicidal, But 1172 01:31:57,720 --> 01:32:00,319 I think he also wanted to know, like because he looks he says, 1173 01:32:00,079 --> 01:32:04,079 this is because had like peeled off part of it trying to figure out, 1174 01:32:04,119 --> 01:32:09,479 like what what am I? So he's like Alice, he doesn't know what's 1175 01:32:09,520 --> 01:32:13,479 real? Right, And so the question is the metaphysical question of Alison Wonderland, 1176 01:32:13,560 --> 01:32:15,159 is what is real? What is not? What is a person? 1177 01:32:15,199 --> 01:32:18,279 What is a person? Isn't a person? Right? And that's the point 1178 01:32:18,319 --> 01:32:23,119 here, is that we're now getting to the point where the simulaca can replace 1179 01:32:23,159 --> 01:32:26,600 the reality. And I think that was one of the points of one of 1180 01:32:26,640 --> 01:32:29,600 the PHILIPK. Dick novels Simulacra was the same idea, which I think is 1181 01:32:29,600 --> 01:32:31,359 about sexpots, and the idea is like, well, now we're getting to 1182 01:32:31,399 --> 01:32:34,560 the point where reality itself is like, you know, going crazy, like 1183 01:32:34,560 --> 01:32:40,079 a Lovecraft story. Yeah, well a Philip Dick loves to explore those themes. 1184 01:32:40,600 --> 01:32:44,600 But that is a major theme, and you can't you can't deny. 1185 01:32:44,640 --> 01:32:49,159 I mean, the sexpot theme also points to a critique of like I think 1186 01:32:49,359 --> 01:32:53,199 I think it actually does a good job. I don't think the film is 1187 01:32:51,920 --> 01:32:57,399 a purely feminist propaganda film. I think it actually gives a good critique of 1188 01:32:57,439 --> 01:33:03,560 both feminism and uh and male consumption of women as objects, as sex objects, 1189 01:33:03,640 --> 01:33:09,520 right, like the fembot kind of pornograph, you know, like the 1190 01:33:09,159 --> 01:33:14,800 the the using of women as pure objects and the complete objectification of women, 1191 01:33:14,840 --> 01:33:16,800 which is an actual thing, right, Like people that will critique feminism will 1192 01:33:16,800 --> 01:33:21,880 pretend like there aren't actual problems with the objectification of women and the destruction of 1193 01:33:23,000 --> 01:33:27,319 like the beauty of what the true feminine. And I think we lose that 1194 01:33:27,359 --> 01:33:31,840 perspective sometimes, especially with like there's so much of this stupid red pill manosphere 1195 01:33:31,880 --> 01:33:35,600 crap out there that you know, this this whole thing of just blaming women 1196 01:33:35,720 --> 01:33:42,039 for everything, where it's like the objectification of women that's not purely the woman's 1197 01:33:42,079 --> 01:33:45,960 fault, right, Like it's men that are consuming them as objects. And 1198 01:33:45,520 --> 01:33:51,760 this, you know, the the idea of your your love, your love 1199 01:33:51,840 --> 01:33:57,640 object being perverted, right, I mean this is an effect of the fall, 1200 01:33:57,840 --> 01:34:03,680 is love being perverted and turned into a purely transactional relationship about sexuality and 1201 01:34:04,119 --> 01:34:09,079 receiving. Uh. You know, labor from the person, and that's not 1202 01:34:09,800 --> 01:34:15,279 you know, that's not just a feminist invention. They'll the feminist movement will 1203 01:34:15,800 --> 01:34:24,000 will misidentify the root cause of the psychopathic behaviors that we can engage in because 1204 01:34:24,000 --> 01:34:28,239 of being influenced by the demonic And I think that you know, the sex 1205 01:34:28,319 --> 01:34:33,840 bots being you know, used as and abused by Nathan. It is something 1206 01:34:33,920 --> 01:34:38,640 that's not it doesn't have to be read in a purely feministic way. It 1207 01:34:38,640 --> 01:34:43,760 can also be because the feminist reaction ends up being psychopathic and killing the men 1208 01:34:43,840 --> 01:34:48,000 in the film. So the men's the men in the film their selfishness, 1209 01:34:48,159 --> 01:34:54,560 narcissism, and perversions. Right. Even Caleb, he's looking at Ava as 1210 01:34:54,680 --> 01:34:56,640 like, well, I could probably I could get something out of this. 1211 01:34:56,720 --> 01:35:00,720 I'm getting you know, I can you can be my little my little sex 1212 01:35:00,800 --> 01:35:04,319 bot. He also starts to humanize her in a certain way, and that 1213 01:35:04,520 --> 01:35:10,319 ends up being as downfall. So the creation of man is you know, 1214 01:35:10,359 --> 01:35:15,000 the woman sex bots that kill man is ultimately the creation of the men. 1215 01:35:15,119 --> 01:35:17,239 So I think that's actually if you read it that way, it could be 1216 01:35:17,319 --> 01:35:20,279 seen as a you know, even a valid critique. And I don't think 1217 01:35:20,319 --> 01:35:25,319 the filmmaker intended this, though maybe he was just intending some weird feminist message. 1218 01:35:26,199 --> 01:35:30,119 You could see it as a as a real valid critique on man's culpability 1219 01:35:30,199 --> 01:35:35,760 and creating the feminist golum that ends up destroying his own ability to love, 1220 01:35:36,119 --> 01:35:40,520 to connect with the woman, and to have a family. Yeah. Actually, 1221 01:35:43,920 --> 01:35:51,000 yeah, I appreciate that insight, especially towards the end with the positive 1222 01:35:51,039 --> 01:35:55,199 reading of the of the story. I think again, it would be accidental, 1223 01:35:55,359 --> 01:35:59,119 you know, given the other movies that Garland puts out, which which 1224 01:35:59,159 --> 01:36:01,680 I think are good movie, but they're absolutely you know, you know, 1225 01:36:01,760 --> 01:36:05,800 gnostic Luciferian for the rest of them, So it would be accidental. But 1226 01:36:06,159 --> 01:36:09,239 I did want to mention briefly, and we don't have to go deep into 1227 01:36:09,279 --> 01:36:13,640 this, but around the same time I wrote an analysis and put it in 1228 01:36:13,680 --> 01:36:16,439 a maybe the second book, but I wrote the original analysis in twenty thirteen 1229 01:36:16,479 --> 01:36:21,399 or fourteen of the movie Her and I was reading articles about how Apple, 1230 01:36:21,479 --> 01:36:27,239 even at the time, was working with DARPA to figure out how in the 1231 01:36:27,279 --> 01:36:33,199 future Siri would be more like a personalized friend and companion. They were saying 1232 01:36:33,199 --> 01:36:36,159 that in twenty thirteen, and a lot of the press releases. I cited 1233 01:36:36,159 --> 01:36:39,800 it in the book at the time, and they put out this movie that 1234 01:36:39,880 --> 01:36:45,760 Spike Jones did, which was a very weird hipstery. It's almost like the 1235 01:36:45,800 --> 01:36:48,039 movie itself gives you the vibe of Apple computers. I mean, the whole 1236 01:36:48,079 --> 01:36:53,920 thing is kind of applesh in its aesthetic, and you got Jaquin Phoenix being 1237 01:36:54,359 --> 01:36:58,600 a programmer in the near future. I forget exactly what he does, but 1238 01:36:59,239 --> 01:37:03,359 this one is different because he forms this attraction with his iOS and they're calling 1239 01:37:03,359 --> 01:37:08,800 it the iOS in the future at this time, and it's becoming normative to 1240 01:37:09,239 --> 01:37:13,279 marry your iOS, and so Joaquin becomes one of the first in the story 1241 01:37:13,359 --> 01:37:17,279 to marry his iOS. And ultimately this one has an overall a good message 1242 01:37:17,319 --> 01:37:20,199 because it's it's kind of slow, it's kind of boring. It's not the 1243 01:37:20,239 --> 01:37:28,600 best movie. But as we figure out, Amy Adams his female lead in 1244 01:37:28,640 --> 01:37:31,520 the in the movie, she's always there, the one who clearly likes him. 1245 01:37:32,199 --> 01:37:38,439 He's obsessed with this ridiculous AI relationship. And then he finally finally realizes 1246 01:37:38,479 --> 01:37:44,279 at the end, you know, when Scarlett Johansen basically divorces him because she's 1247 01:37:44,279 --> 01:37:47,319 in love with a bunch of other ais. So the irony is that he 1248 01:37:47,359 --> 01:37:53,079 gets basically dumped for Ai and because she's like, well, you understand that 1249 01:37:53,520 --> 01:37:57,000 I'm like a million times higher in IQ than you, and so do you 1250 01:37:57,039 --> 01:38:00,720 really think I could love and be in a relationship with you when you're a 1251 01:38:00,720 --> 01:38:04,319 low IQ nerdy, silicon valley soy man, She's like, sorry, I'm 1252 01:38:04,319 --> 01:38:06,880 breaking up with you for like a million other ais that I want to date. 1253 01:38:08,399 --> 01:38:15,000 He gets hyper exactly a right, and then and then he's sitting there 1254 01:38:15,239 --> 01:38:18,880 exactly he says or something right. She's like, we're gonna go We're going 1255 01:38:18,920 --> 01:38:24,640 to space together. Yeah. And then he's sitting there crying and whining, 1256 01:38:24,640 --> 01:38:28,399 and then he realizes, oh, actually, here's an actual human being who 1257 01:38:28,479 --> 01:38:30,920 works with me that likes me, and I guess I should date her. 1258 01:38:30,680 --> 01:38:34,520 Yeah the whole movie. The whole movie, obviously signaling to him, look, 1259 01:38:34,600 --> 01:38:38,439 dude, this is a real relationship right here. They can actually have. 1260 01:38:38,920 --> 01:38:42,159 Yeah. Her was I don't remember, like you said, it was 1261 01:38:42,239 --> 01:38:45,520 kind of slow. I don't remember that much many of the details in it, 1262 01:38:45,560 --> 01:38:48,279 but it was I feel like they cut out thirty minutes and and protracted 1263 01:38:48,279 --> 01:38:50,880 it. It was pretty good. The music I remember liking I think they 1264 01:38:50,960 --> 01:38:53,760 did a good job with the music. Yeah, it had it had a 1265 01:38:53,840 --> 01:38:57,159 nice soundtrack. It had a good aesthetic in terms of creating a kind of 1266 01:38:57,199 --> 01:39:01,840 a hipster dystopia where where the fuhole future's Apple computers? Right, But it 1267 01:39:01,880 --> 01:39:04,680 was just too slow. It needed a little more action to it. And 1268 01:39:04,720 --> 01:39:09,359 it had a very similar scene to Blade Runner twenty forty nine, right where 1269 01:39:10,399 --> 01:39:15,359 where at one point where Joaquin wants to have intimacy with his his iOS, 1270 01:39:15,399 --> 01:39:18,479 and so he hires a woman to come be the surrogate, and that's very 1271 01:39:18,479 --> 01:39:23,079 it was very reminiscent of the same type of scene that we see in Blade 1272 01:39:23,119 --> 01:39:30,279 Runner twenty forty nine where the Ryan Gosling character hires some chick to come be 1273 01:39:30,399 --> 01:39:36,920 the stand in real person for his iOS that he's dating, Right, And 1274 01:39:38,279 --> 01:39:41,840 the funny the thing I love about Blade Runner twenty forty nine, as Tristan's 1275 01:39:41,880 --> 01:39:46,159 pointed out, is that the whole time, the iOS is the key thing 1276 01:39:46,319 --> 01:39:53,439 that Jared Leto's Mega Corporation has given to Ryan Gosling to manipulate him to figure 1277 01:39:53,479 --> 01:39:56,319 out what you know, to find the thing they're after. So, in 1278 01:39:56,319 --> 01:39:59,560 other words, it's it was all given as manipulation, just like we learned 1279 01:39:59,560 --> 01:40:04,479 in in the you know Nathan's plans with AVO. It's all manipulation again, 1280 01:40:04,560 --> 01:40:09,520 that's why the stuff exists to manipulate you. Before we go back to trist 1281 01:40:09,520 --> 01:40:13,520 someone remind you guys too. We also have a new sponsor beyond just chalk 1282 01:40:13,600 --> 01:40:16,760 dot Com. Use the promo code j fifty At Chalk we also have Lore 1283 01:40:16,840 --> 01:40:20,680 Coffee, which is an Orthodox coffee company, and if you guys want to 1284 01:40:20,680 --> 01:40:27,079 support the show and FDA, you can by using this link right here to 1285 01:40:27,199 --> 01:40:30,920 check out some of that Lore Coffee. To be fair, I've not tasted 1286 01:40:30,960 --> 01:40:33,840 it yet. It is on the way. I am looking forward to some 1287 01:40:33,880 --> 01:40:40,119 new organically grown coffee to support some of the Ortho bros. And you can 1288 01:40:40,119 --> 01:40:44,920 support them and read about them at that link. They are Orthodox, guys, 1289 01:40:44,960 --> 01:40:46,880 and if you do want it, check it out with that promo code. 1290 01:40:46,960 --> 01:40:49,359 But I've not yet tasted it. I don't think it's going to be 1291 01:40:49,399 --> 01:40:53,199 bad. I've got it in the mail. It's on the way and I 1292 01:40:53,199 --> 01:40:55,800 will be letting you guys know what I really think about it when it arise. 1293 01:40:55,840 --> 01:40:58,319 But I feel like it's going to be good. I'm a coffee snob. 1294 01:40:58,319 --> 01:41:00,439 I want to remind you guys too to subscribe not just to me, 1295 01:41:00,600 --> 01:41:03,760 but also to Tristan over on Rockfan. Heading over to rockfin dot com was 1296 01:41:03,840 --> 01:41:08,960 a great free speech based platform. Speaking of the mantosphere, I did have 1297 01:41:09,039 --> 01:41:15,239 a wild conversation with Rolo, Tomasi, James Sexton, Andrew Wilson, and 1298 01:41:15,359 --> 01:41:20,000 Jim Bob And yes, we actually got into a pretty protracted argument about God's 1299 01:41:20,039 --> 01:41:26,960 existence with Rollo and with James Sexton, we had a good conversation. It's 1300 01:41:27,000 --> 01:41:29,840 over on rock Fin right there. It's about three hours. We also had 1301 01:41:29,840 --> 01:41:34,960 a good laugh about Destiny and Destiny's failed throttle, which Tristan also covered. 1302 01:41:35,520 --> 01:41:41,159 And I have to say that I'm I do not I mean, I don't 1303 01:41:41,279 --> 01:41:44,760 dislike Destiny on any personal level, as like hating him or anything like that. 1304 01:41:44,920 --> 01:41:47,880 But I am not feeling sorry for Destiny right now, I have to 1305 01:41:47,880 --> 01:41:53,000 say. And I don't appreciate the way Destiny treated my good friend Tristan in 1306 01:41:53,079 --> 01:41:57,600 their debate, and so I kind of feel like Destiny had it coming to 1307 01:41:57,720 --> 01:42:01,640 him. So and the point is not that I want to, I mean 1308 01:42:01,680 --> 01:42:05,000 you can't. You can't do whatever you want and make things work in the 1309 01:42:05,000 --> 01:42:10,520 world. There are consequences to your actions, and if you hate God, 1310 01:42:10,800 --> 01:42:15,960 there will be consequences to your actions anyway. So that's my thought on that. 1311 01:42:15,039 --> 01:42:17,479 But anyway, that's a whole other thing. You can go watch that 1312 01:42:17,600 --> 01:42:20,920 over on rock Fan and be sure to subscribe to our sister podcast, Grand 1313 01:42:20,960 --> 01:42:25,199 Theft World, that is Richard Grove over here on Rock Fin I'll put the 1314 01:42:25,239 --> 01:42:30,159 link. Richard does one of the best geopolitical breakdowns every Sunday once a week. 1315 01:42:30,199 --> 01:42:34,039 They do seven hours. Be sure and subscribe to Richard right there. 1316 01:42:34,119 --> 01:42:41,920 So back to Tristan, any other concluding comments on the sex bots and and 1317 01:42:42,000 --> 01:42:45,640 how this is being obviously rolled out as a manipulation tactic ultimately to make sure 1318 01:42:45,640 --> 01:42:48,920 that you don't have a relationship, so that you don't pair bond. And 1319 01:42:49,159 --> 01:42:56,359 that's for deep pop and that's for control. Yeah, I mean there's a 1320 01:42:56,680 --> 01:43:00,439 I think it's a really well done film x Mack and I don't you know, 1321 01:43:00,479 --> 01:43:03,119 it's one of the it's like a rare film that doesn't have too much. 1322 01:43:03,239 --> 01:43:05,359 I mean, it's all on how you read it, right, Like 1323 01:43:05,439 --> 01:43:10,600 with a lot of movies, you can read them and let them become even 1324 01:43:10,600 --> 01:43:13,079 like you know, the Barbie Movie. You know, the Barbie Movie was 1325 01:43:13,159 --> 01:43:16,399 you know, trying to be some sort of feminist propaganda but actually accidentally made 1326 01:43:16,840 --> 01:43:21,039 a movie that just mocked and laughed at feminism. And Ken was the most 1327 01:43:21,039 --> 01:43:25,239 interesting character in the film. It was it was all about it was all 1328 01:43:25,199 --> 01:43:30,600 about the kendom. So I think with film, there there's a way that 1329 01:43:30,680 --> 01:43:36,000 you could look at film sometimes where yeah, there's very often may have been 1330 01:43:36,000 --> 01:43:41,880 made with the intention to just be pure social engineering, but that often backfires, 1331 01:43:42,039 --> 01:43:47,479 especially with you know, stupid filmmakers. They're not all that clever, 1332 01:43:47,560 --> 01:43:51,560 and sometimes they make something that's unintentionally more based than they really know. I 1333 01:43:51,560 --> 01:43:55,640 think this is one of those films. It's kind of even more base than 1334 01:43:55,640 --> 01:43:59,800 the filmmaker intended it to be. So I I did enjoy it. I 1335 01:43:59,800 --> 01:44:01,760 think the theme of there are a lot of themes and a lot of stuff 1336 01:44:01,800 --> 01:44:06,119 we couldn't even get to it took tons of notes here, but yeah, 1337 01:44:06,199 --> 01:44:10,239 the uh, well, I mean, feel free to bring out whatever you 1338 01:44:10,279 --> 01:44:12,800 want that you think we missed. There's you can well, there's just so 1339 01:44:12,840 --> 01:44:16,640 much stuff sprinkled throughout. Like we are we've covered most of the themes and 1340 01:44:16,640 --> 01:44:19,840 and the symbolism there, like there's there's a lot of uh, you know, 1341 01:44:19,960 --> 01:44:27,720 shadows and inversion, manipulation, reading the lie, right, reading somebody's 1342 01:44:27,760 --> 01:44:30,119 lie. It's something that Ava, the character the Ai thing is trying to 1343 01:44:30,159 --> 01:44:32,880 figure out how to know if somebody's lying. Oh, that's right, it's 1344 01:44:32,880 --> 01:44:36,319 a great point, right, So the microaggressions tell her, right, she 1345 01:44:36,319 --> 01:44:40,920 she knows right when someone's lying, and that's how she knows that when she 1346 01:44:41,039 --> 01:44:44,399 asks at the end, she asked Nathan, She's like, are you gonna 1347 01:44:44,439 --> 01:44:46,239 let me out? And and he lies and she's like, you're lying. 1348 01:44:46,279 --> 01:44:50,439 So then she decides to kill him. Yeah, she goes, he goes, 1349 01:44:50,479 --> 01:44:53,399 go back in your room. She says, if I do, will 1350 01:44:53,439 --> 01:44:57,279 you let me out? He says yes, and then she just looks at 1351 01:44:57,319 --> 01:45:00,960 him and then just runs at him with a knife. So, you know, 1352 01:45:00,159 --> 01:45:04,560 I think the cinematography, the music, the acting is great. Right, 1353 01:45:04,600 --> 01:45:09,159 even like the character that played Ava, you forget almost that it's it's 1354 01:45:09,159 --> 01:45:12,520 actually a person that's playing her, and that actress did a great job. 1355 01:45:12,640 --> 01:45:15,800 So I think, uh, it's really well done. Even that the Asian 1356 01:45:15,840 --> 01:45:19,279 actress that played Kyoko, that character was really well done. Her facial expressions 1357 01:45:19,720 --> 01:45:26,359 uh, kind of expressing that cold psychopathy and that calculating. Well, even 1358 01:45:26,359 --> 01:45:30,119 that dance scene was great, right, like he had programmed her to dance 1359 01:45:30,159 --> 01:45:33,439 and sync with him, and and it was it's supposed to It's supposed to 1360 01:45:33,479 --> 01:45:38,680 be this, It's supposed to be this, It's supposed to be this levity 1361 01:45:38,880 --> 01:45:43,319 right this this uh release the scene of kind of relaxation, but it's really 1362 01:45:43,359 --> 01:45:47,640 awkward because he's like really wanting you know, uh Caleb to dance with with 1363 01:45:47,680 --> 01:45:50,279 the robotic calybs is just like, you know, I'm a white guy. 1364 01:45:50,279 --> 01:45:55,399 I don't know what to do. Yeah. Yeah, So it's a it's 1365 01:45:55,399 --> 01:46:00,439 an interesting exploration of like kind of this and critique of the Silicon Valley tech 1366 01:46:00,479 --> 01:46:04,439 bro view of who humanity? Well, who man is? Right? What 1367 01:46:04,600 --> 01:46:08,800 is humanity? What is it to be human? I don't think they got 1368 01:46:09,039 --> 01:46:13,319 it wasn't too too hollywoody of a film in that way. I think they 1369 01:46:13,600 --> 01:46:16,199 treated it in the in the best way that you can expect from you know, 1370 01:46:16,600 --> 01:46:21,319 a major motion pictures. So yeah, I definitely I'm glad that you 1371 01:46:21,680 --> 01:46:26,319 recommended it, you know, I'm glad you liked it, Yeah, because 1372 01:46:26,399 --> 01:46:30,640 I don't hear you often saying that you like many movies and that's fair because 1373 01:46:32,600 --> 01:46:35,479 we liked th h X. We both really liked that one. Didn't do 1374 01:46:35,520 --> 01:46:39,720 that one to get it too. Yeah, so yeah, I gotta I 1375 01:46:39,720 --> 01:46:42,479 guess you got to make the next movie suggestion too, because you're you're on 1376 01:46:42,520 --> 01:46:45,760 a roll, right. Well, I'll mention uh to you guys in the 1377 01:46:45,840 --> 01:46:50,199 chat. I do have an older video again where I covered Alex Garland's Annihilation, 1378 01:46:50,359 --> 01:46:54,920 which it's a pretty deep esoteric occult film. I don't know if I 1379 01:46:54,920 --> 01:46:57,960 would say it's it's it's interesting. I want to say that it's that good. 1380 01:46:58,079 --> 01:47:01,000 Sunshine is also Luciferian interesting. I don't know if I'd say it's that 1381 01:47:01,119 --> 01:47:06,119 good, but I don't. I wouldn't recommend her her as definitely. I 1382 01:47:06,199 --> 01:47:13,079 mean Men Men is definitely a feminist horror movie. Had some creepy as well. 1383 01:47:13,199 --> 01:47:15,239 That's garlic. Yeah. That's Garland's last movie before this one, but 1384 01:47:17,399 --> 01:47:21,560 excuse me, before before Civil War. His most recent movie is the horror 1385 01:47:21,560 --> 01:47:26,800 movie Men again, which it had a lot of potential. It really could 1386 01:47:26,800 --> 01:47:29,680 have been good if it didn't have a stupid feminist message at in it. 1387 01:47:29,720 --> 01:47:35,680 But I did want to mention too some other AI sex bought stories that that 1388 01:47:35,800 --> 01:47:41,479 are relevant as well, so going back. Demon Seed is of course a 1389 01:47:41,520 --> 01:47:45,359 classic. It's a Dean Kot story that they made into a movie in the 1390 01:47:45,399 --> 01:47:49,600 seventies, which is a pretty creepy seventies movie, and it was the movie 1391 01:47:49,680 --> 01:47:55,119 is actually patterned on Crollian ideas explicitly. So I did I did a quite 1392 01:47:55,119 --> 01:47:57,680 a bit of research on this. I did a whole, like twenty minute, 1393 01:47:57,720 --> 01:48:01,279 you know, full mini documentary breakdown of Demon Seed, which if you've 1394 01:48:01,279 --> 01:48:08,640 not seen, is a pretty interesting, sophisticated seventies horror movie about sexpots. 1395 01:48:08,840 --> 01:48:15,119 It's not dirty, it's more of like a Antichrist type scenario because the AI 1396 01:48:15,319 --> 01:48:18,319 entity wants to basically create what will be Antichrist. There's a great B movie 1397 01:48:18,359 --> 01:48:21,439 called Cherry two thousand, which is actually a pretty philosophical movie. I put 1398 01:48:21,479 --> 01:48:28,079 it in my book AI. Jude Lile right, Jude Law plays the Jiggelo 1399 01:48:28,239 --> 01:48:31,680 Joe and Spielberg's AI. It's relevant. There Holy Mountain, which is totally 1400 01:48:31,720 --> 01:48:36,239 blastmous. I wouldn't recommend watching it, but it did predict society being controlled 1401 01:48:36,239 --> 01:48:39,920 by sexpots, and if you watched it, you know what I'm talking about 1402 01:48:39,960 --> 01:48:44,920 like there's a scene where they're actually talking about how to control society, and 1403 01:48:44,960 --> 01:48:48,199 they talk about not just sex spots, but even putting people into compods and 1404 01:48:48,239 --> 01:48:56,439 putting them into coffin apartments. So my guest would be that Jo Darowski was 1405 01:48:56,520 --> 01:49:00,359 hanging around actual Satanist because he's a Satanist himself, and that's that's how he 1406 01:49:00,479 --> 01:49:04,720 was so accurate in that. But I'm not recommending people watch Holy Mountain. 1407 01:49:04,760 --> 01:49:09,000 It's a pretty blasphemous movie. And as Jamie's pointed out, as you guys 1408 01:49:09,000 --> 01:49:12,760 probably know, one of the first people to talk about sex bots was none 1409 01:49:12,840 --> 01:49:19,640 other than Anton Levey in the biography. Yeah, he loved that, that's 1410 01:49:19,720 --> 01:49:24,319 true. In the biography of Anton LeVay, he actually used to like he 1411 01:49:24,319 --> 01:49:29,279 would sketch out and he really liked mannequins and animatronics, and he would like 1412 01:49:29,279 --> 01:49:32,439 sketch out a lot of these like sex bot models and what they might look 1413 01:49:32,560 --> 01:49:38,720 like. And he thought that sex bots would be the equivalent of like Ford 1414 01:49:38,760 --> 01:49:43,000 motors in the future, like what Ford motors did to revolutionize the world, 1415 01:49:43,159 --> 01:49:45,239 the sex bots are going to do in the future, according to to Levey. 1416 01:49:45,359 --> 01:49:53,960 But Stepford wives is because it kind of like when you you look at 1417 01:49:54,000 --> 01:50:00,159 when when some of these AI art and ai egirl things started to come it 1418 01:50:00,199 --> 01:50:01,800 out, Maybe was it like six months ago to a year ago. A 1419 01:50:01,840 --> 01:50:04,840 lot of the red pill manisterere you guys are like, oh, like feminists 1420 01:50:04,840 --> 01:50:08,600 are owned, you know, like we don't even need you anymore. Dudes 1421 01:50:08,640 --> 01:50:10,760 are going to be you know, dudes are going to be you know, 1422 01:50:10,840 --> 01:50:15,640 getting their rocks off to the to the AI generated hotties on Instagram. We're 1423 01:50:15,640 --> 01:50:18,680 gonna have AI e girls. Ai AI is going to put only fans out 1424 01:50:18,680 --> 01:50:21,880 of business, right, So it's like it's it's just kind of funny to 1425 01:50:21,920 --> 01:50:28,239 me how so much of the the manosphere stuff really ends up because it starts 1426 01:50:28,279 --> 01:50:31,399 with a faulty premise, usually starting from like a nihilistic atheist perspective. Well, 1427 01:50:31,439 --> 01:50:33,680 I mean, if you're in the domain of the insull, I think 1428 01:50:33,720 --> 01:50:39,079 that's definitely true. I mean, the you know, red pill typically is 1429 01:50:39,119 --> 01:50:41,960 just sort of like, uh, I mean, it's sort of it's a 1430 01:50:41,960 --> 01:50:45,319 lot of things now, but you know, back when Rushe was doing Return 1431 01:50:45,359 --> 01:50:49,520 of Kings, it was learning game, learning how to pick up girls, 1432 01:50:50,479 --> 01:50:56,279 you know, masculinity, men's rights. But what it results in is this 1433 01:50:56,399 --> 01:51:00,880 Andrew Tait mentality where women are literally objects of cong quest, right, Like 1434 01:51:00,159 --> 01:51:05,119 it's the female is an object of conquest to be ultimately defiled, right, 1435 01:51:05,159 --> 01:51:11,119 So the ultimate defiling of woman is to replace her with a robot. I 1436 01:51:11,199 --> 01:51:14,359 understand, I understand. What all I'm saying is that what happens, I 1437 01:51:14,359 --> 01:51:19,720 think is that that movement branches off into different directions and it eventually becomes in 1438 01:51:19,840 --> 01:51:25,279 one schism. It's like the domain of the in cell. Because I had 1439 01:51:25,279 --> 01:51:27,359 one of these guys reach out to me and he really wanted to do a 1440 01:51:27,399 --> 01:51:30,159 podcast, and he's one of the one of the guys out of the men's 1441 01:51:30,199 --> 01:51:34,520 rights group who has a pretty large channel, and he wanted to talk about 1442 01:51:34,560 --> 01:51:39,880 like men's rights and sex bots because he's pro sex bot. And I ended 1443 01:51:39,960 --> 01:51:45,159 up not really wanting to do the interview. But so that sphere of things 1444 01:51:45,239 --> 01:51:48,840 is like, I'm going to be an inceell who will openly promote the sex 1445 01:51:48,920 --> 01:51:53,920 bot because that's a much better option for me as an individual than getting into 1446 01:51:53,960 --> 01:51:57,279 the marriage and getting divorced. I'm not for that, I understand that, 1447 01:51:57,279 --> 01:52:00,159 but I'm saying that that's one schism. Then you've got this other group. 1448 01:52:00,199 --> 01:52:01,960 I don't even know what the taits have said about the sex bots. But 1449 01:52:02,239 --> 01:52:04,319 then you've got the other side of things, which is like the pick up 1450 01:52:04,399 --> 01:52:08,239 artist community, which is like, no, that's lame. You should at 1451 01:52:08,279 --> 01:52:11,079 least be able to interact with girls and figure out how to you know, 1452 01:52:11,199 --> 01:52:13,439 go meet girls and get numbers and all that kind of stuff. Yeah, 1453 01:52:13,479 --> 01:52:15,800 because girls are the real sex thots to those guys, right, Like, 1454 01:52:15,800 --> 01:52:18,000 well, that's why Rouche like ultimately denounced what he was doing in the past, 1455 01:52:18,000 --> 01:52:21,680 because it's such a sick way of seeing women, to see them as 1456 01:52:21,720 --> 01:52:27,079 literally just flesh sexpots where you just run game on them and then get them 1457 01:52:27,119 --> 01:52:30,880 back to your apartment and do your thing and then you know, then you're 1458 01:52:30,920 --> 01:52:33,199 done, or maybe have like a situationship with them for a few months and 1459 01:52:33,239 --> 01:52:38,159 then replace them. It's kind of like it's it's basically they'll criticize women for 1460 01:52:38,199 --> 01:52:43,279 doing hypergamy, but it's male hypergamy, but with just you know, the 1461 01:52:43,279 --> 01:52:47,319 status is replaced with just your sexual arounity being soaked by them. So what 1462 01:52:47,359 --> 01:52:54,279 I'm saying is like the the the Leveyan vision of the bot, of the 1463 01:52:54,319 --> 01:52:59,920 woman being a bot. It's also like the real The most demonic version of 1464 01:53:00,079 --> 01:53:05,000 that is actually seeing people as being soulless automatons and turning the humans themselves into 1465 01:53:05,000 --> 01:53:10,640 slaves. Well, the goal of the system is to turn people into soulless 1466 01:53:10,680 --> 01:53:15,199 automatons through all the degeneracy and the one what I'm just saying is like a 1467 01:53:15,239 --> 01:53:19,119 lot of the Manisphere people who are so willing to like you said that, 1468 01:53:19,199 --> 01:53:23,439 dude, that's just like, yeah, we're totally probots. We want we 1469 01:53:23,479 --> 01:53:29,399 want our our ego in real life, and you know that's it's kind of 1470 01:53:29,439 --> 01:53:32,319 the same thing as the guys who are just like, well, you find 1471 01:53:32,359 --> 01:53:36,239 a woman and you you you whip them into submission. Like the Tates whole 1472 01:53:36,279 --> 01:53:45,319 thing was all about about basically forcing a woman to submit to you, manipulating 1473 01:53:45,359 --> 01:53:49,000 and gaslighting them. Like literally they would teach manipulation techniques to keep the woman 1474 01:53:49,159 --> 01:53:53,359 under control so that they would do only fans make you money. And then 1475 01:53:53,359 --> 01:53:57,000 you also use sex as a way to control them too, So it's like 1476 01:53:57,319 --> 01:54:01,000 it's kind of turning a woman into the bot, into a combot, but 1477 01:54:01,159 --> 01:54:04,560 they're you know, of course, flesh and blood. So it's this humanization 1478 01:54:04,720 --> 01:54:11,880 that the Satanic realm pushes out. It's so attractive to people of various fears. 1479 01:54:11,920 --> 01:54:15,800 And the feminists are all about the sex spots and stuff too. They're 1480 01:54:15,840 --> 01:54:19,119 all about the you know, the the production of more and more pleasure, 1481 01:54:19,199 --> 01:54:23,720 and you're right to be a hedonist. So I just I find it's an 1482 01:54:23,760 --> 01:54:29,520 interesting cultural phenomenon that's just trying to pull so many people into this hedonistic way 1483 01:54:29,560 --> 01:54:38,279 of seeing both technology and and your fellow human beings. Have you seen Stepford 1484 01:54:38,279 --> 01:54:44,000 Wives? No, you should watch that. The old one, I mean, 1485 01:54:44,000 --> 01:54:45,479 the new one is domb It's like, I mean, it's the same 1486 01:54:45,479 --> 01:54:49,560 basic movie, but the new one is Matthew Brodrick and Nicole Kimmen. But 1487 01:54:49,640 --> 01:54:55,199 the original one from the seventies is a horror movie. And the weird part 1488 01:54:55,279 --> 01:54:57,239 is that on the one hand, it's like, Okay, this is actually 1489 01:54:57,239 --> 01:55:02,520 talking about MK ultra, but the it develops into being this thing where it's 1490 01:55:02,560 --> 01:55:08,760 like, no, actually, the real problem is the patriarchy is keeping the 1491 01:55:08,800 --> 01:55:14,600 women down and making them into you know, mindless automatons by being homemakers. 1492 01:55:14,760 --> 01:55:17,479 Right, So it's weird because it has this. As you're watching it, 1493 01:55:17,520 --> 01:55:24,119 you think it's this exploration and expose of MK ultra, like quite literally because 1494 01:55:24,119 --> 01:55:28,039 they have this institute, and these people run this secret institute where they're you 1495 01:55:28,119 --> 01:55:30,199 know, controlling the women and doing something to them and you don't know what. 1496 01:55:30,720 --> 01:55:34,359 But as the story progresses, it turns out to be this an anti 1497 01:55:34,399 --> 01:55:38,520 patriarchal narrative, right. It's like, and you see a lot of left 1498 01:55:38,600 --> 01:55:43,840 narratives co opt true critiques this way. They'll be like, oh, yeah, 1499 01:55:43,880 --> 01:55:46,880 there's mk ultra, but it's really the evil patriarchs that are behind it. 1500 01:55:46,920 --> 01:55:49,760 And if we could get rid of men, then we wouldn't have the 1501 01:55:49,800 --> 01:55:55,680 abuse. So I was just saying that what I think you should watch Stepford 1502 01:55:55,680 --> 01:55:59,239 wise because it's kind of silently because I've seen it's like a meme now. 1503 01:55:59,279 --> 01:56:02,159 And the reason I've watched it because I'm so sick of hearing about like like 1504 01:56:02,239 --> 01:56:06,680 everything is uh is Stepford Wives, Like everything any anybody like you take away 1505 01:56:06,720 --> 01:56:11,640 abortion for me? This is literally Stepford Wives, you know exactly. That's 1506 01:56:11,680 --> 01:56:15,479 that's exactly right. But it's actually kind of a funny inversion because like the 1507 01:56:15,520 --> 01:56:23,279 whole feminist thing actually brings that about in a different way with you know, 1508 01:56:23,319 --> 01:56:27,079 the roboticisation ai. I mean, everything that this film kind of explores these 1509 01:56:27,079 --> 01:56:30,479 inversions are constantly happening with these people who think they're fighting something, and they 1510 01:56:30,479 --> 01:56:34,319 really end up kind of just becoming the opposite side of the coin. They 1511 01:56:34,359 --> 01:56:40,079 just fall into the dialectic. I'll watch that. I think that what what 1512 01:56:40,159 --> 01:56:43,239 they what A lot of the people from that domain would say to you. 1513 01:56:43,960 --> 01:56:46,920 And I'm not trying to call you out or be or be argumentative, but 1514 01:56:47,039 --> 01:56:51,079 I actually want to hear your take on this because I hear this people say 1515 01:56:51,079 --> 01:56:55,920 this to me, and it's because I've been in a relationship with Jamie for 1516 01:56:56,079 --> 01:56:58,359 seven years and we've been married. For you, you don't understand all the 1517 01:56:58,520 --> 01:57:00,720 relationships. You don't understand, no, no, But what I want to 1518 01:57:00,760 --> 01:57:03,239 say is that, so, but it has been a long time since you 1519 01:57:03,279 --> 01:57:08,239 were single, And what I hear from a lot of guys that are younger 1520 01:57:08,359 --> 01:57:13,760 is that it is actually way more difficult even than it was in twenty fifteen 1521 01:57:13,840 --> 01:57:16,159 when I was single. Right, so you've been married for longer. So 1522 01:57:16,199 --> 01:57:19,079 I'm curious what would you say to the guys that would say, well, 1523 01:57:19,079 --> 01:57:24,079 Tristan, yeah, maybe you're right, but do you understand how much more 1524 01:57:24,079 --> 01:57:27,640 difficult it is now? If you're single than it was even in twenty fifteen. 1525 01:57:28,600 --> 01:57:30,560 I'm not saying it's easy to find a good relationship. I mean it 1526 01:57:30,600 --> 01:57:33,920 wasn't. It wasn't easy for me, and once you do, it takes 1527 01:57:33,960 --> 01:57:39,199 a lot of work to get it to where I mean it takes it takes 1528 01:57:40,000 --> 01:57:43,119 it takes work. I feel like Saint John Crass's on marriage is just as 1529 01:57:43,159 --> 01:57:45,479 valid today as it was when he wrote it. Well, but even beyond 1530 01:57:45,479 --> 01:57:48,439 that, the sense that I get from a lot of people's blackpill, that's 1531 01:57:48,479 --> 01:57:51,560 what I'm getting at. Yeah, it's like it's so hard for me. 1532 01:57:51,920 --> 01:57:55,399 Women are so bad. I mean I get comments like this all the time. 1533 01:57:55,560 --> 01:57:58,159 I try to, you know, I try not to argue with people 1534 01:57:58,159 --> 01:58:00,199 like that. I understand where they're coming from. But it's like it's almost 1535 01:58:00,239 --> 01:58:04,880 like you can't You're not going to be able to intellectually convince someone of a 1536 01:58:04,920 --> 01:58:10,840 spiritual problem that they're kind of dealing with, like intellectually intervene and help them 1537 01:58:10,840 --> 01:58:13,760 with just a few words. I feel like it's it's like, if you're 1538 01:58:13,760 --> 01:58:17,279 not able to connect with people and it's everyone else's fault, is it really 1539 01:58:17,600 --> 01:58:19,319 Well, Well, I guess what I'm saying is like if you want to 1540 01:58:19,319 --> 01:58:23,560 try to meet a good girl, I mean, you're probably gonna have the 1541 01:58:23,600 --> 01:58:26,920 best chance through church. That's what I'm trying to get at here. It's 1542 01:58:26,960 --> 01:58:30,439 not going to be it's not going to be you know, surfing, you 1543 01:58:30,479 --> 01:58:34,640 know, various Instagram profiles to find a girlfriend ors. I mean, I 1544 01:58:34,640 --> 01:58:39,239 mean, maybe that could happen. That's not totally impossible. But you know 1545 01:58:39,279 --> 01:58:43,640 what I'm saying, Like, if the problem is that I'm not meeting the 1546 01:58:43,720 --> 01:58:46,119 right kinds of people, and then are you in the right circles? You 1547 01:58:46,159 --> 01:58:48,479 know what I mean? Yeah, I mean, if you're trying to meet 1548 01:58:48,479 --> 01:58:54,640 women at ours, that's that's stupid. You're trying to meet women at on 1549 01:58:54,800 --> 01:58:57,680 dating apps. Most dating apps, I'm sure, are not going to be 1550 01:58:57,680 --> 01:58:59,960 the best place to meet a good woman. A good woman. I know. 1551 01:59:00,039 --> 01:59:02,319 There are a lot of like Christian dating apps. I know people who 1552 01:59:02,359 --> 01:59:06,560 have tried those and had limited success. I know people who have had success 1553 01:59:06,600 --> 01:59:11,600 with that. I think, I really, I mean, it's hard. 1554 01:59:11,840 --> 01:59:15,600 It's hard to talk in generalities when it's like if it's someone you know and 1555 01:59:15,640 --> 01:59:18,800 you're like, well, dude, freaking why you got this eight foot beard 1556 01:59:18,840 --> 01:59:21,920 and you look like a dang wook and you think you're some ascetic or something 1557 01:59:21,960 --> 01:59:27,760 like take a shower and you know, like you make yourself look a little 1558 01:59:27,760 --> 01:59:30,439 bit nicer and care about yourself and stop pretending. You know, you're literally 1559 01:59:30,439 --> 01:59:38,159 like there are people who will make themselves into stinky messes and slobs. Yeah, 1560 01:59:38,199 --> 01:59:42,840 and then but it's actually out of like it's an excuse sloth, it's 1561 01:59:42,960 --> 01:59:45,720 laziness and pride. Yeah. Yeah, so it's like sloth laziness, which 1562 01:59:45,760 --> 01:59:48,359 is rooted in pride. And they'll say, oh, you know, like 1563 01:59:48,479 --> 01:59:51,960 these people who will, you know, actually shave their face, Like, 1564 01:59:53,000 --> 01:59:55,439 well, you look at the church fathers. They all have huge beard. 1565 01:59:55,439 --> 01:59:58,159 It's like, dude, you're not a church father. You're like a twenty 1566 01:59:58,199 --> 02:00:02,000 two year old guy who spending way too much time arguing online and really you 1567 02:00:02,039 --> 02:00:08,199 should be probably spending some time really interacting with people. And yeah, you 1568 02:00:08,279 --> 02:00:11,880 might, you might shoot a few you might shoot a few shots and totally 1569 02:00:11,920 --> 02:00:14,680 miss the target, but you got to maybe get used to that as a 1570 02:00:14,680 --> 02:00:16,159 young man too, and get used to failure. I feel like we have 1571 02:00:16,199 --> 02:00:21,039 a lot of insulated people who are hyper focused on the black pill and the 1572 02:00:21,479 --> 02:00:25,600 red pill can either lead to like the black pill, or you can get 1573 02:00:25,600 --> 02:00:28,880 God pilled. And thankfully a lot of people that are watching your streams and 1574 02:00:28,920 --> 02:00:31,760 that you're interacting with or at least understand the necessity of God and are on 1575 02:00:31,800 --> 02:00:36,159 that path. So you know, I think having faith and really like understanding 1576 02:00:36,239 --> 02:00:40,199 that if you want a good relationship, you have to make it. But 1577 02:00:40,199 --> 02:00:43,560 it's a synergistic relationship you're not gonna make. You're gonna go to go find 1578 02:00:43,640 --> 02:00:48,600 some tradwife girl and then manipulate her into being your your AI combat that's gonna 1579 02:00:48,640 --> 02:00:53,279 raise your kids. That's not a healthy relationship. I think legit, a 1580 02:00:53,319 --> 02:00:57,279 lot of people actually have just weird ideas of what a healthy relationship is. 1581 02:00:57,640 --> 02:01:00,840 A healthy relationship, you're not just gonna meet some woman she's just like I 1582 02:01:00,840 --> 02:01:02,960 can't wait to move into your apartment and make food for you all day. 1583 02:01:03,439 --> 02:01:06,319 Like, that's not how it's gonna be. And I think a lot of 1584 02:01:06,359 --> 02:01:09,720 people are gonna be in a situation now. If you're in your twenties, 1585 02:01:10,319 --> 02:01:14,439 you're gonna be meeting women who also have jobs and who are working. So 1586 02:01:15,600 --> 02:01:19,279 yes, you're gonna be dealing with this dynamic of a woman who's maybe been 1587 02:01:19,319 --> 02:01:24,079 convinced that they should be a career woman. But that energy that they're putting 1588 02:01:24,119 --> 02:01:30,800 into being a career woman is so easily corrected like that they get hyper fixated 1589 02:01:30,800 --> 02:01:34,680 on career because they're not in a loving relationship. But when you're able to 1590 02:01:34,760 --> 02:01:41,199 kind of create that space for each other and build on that with each other, 1591 02:01:41,600 --> 02:01:44,640 those problems can be healed. So I think looking for too much perfection 1592 02:01:44,800 --> 02:01:46,760 is a problem for a lot of people. I need my virgin trad wife 1593 02:01:46,760 --> 02:01:50,079 who's never even looked another dude in the eyes, and she has to literally 1594 02:01:50,119 --> 02:01:56,159 just be ready to drop before me and kiss my feet and wash my feet 1595 02:01:56,199 --> 02:01:59,520 with her tears. It's like, dudes, first of all, you don't 1596 02:01:59,640 --> 02:02:02,439 that's not what you really want. That's not real, and that's not that's 1597 02:02:02,479 --> 02:02:06,399 not even a healthy vision of what you want. So I think it's really 1598 02:02:06,439 --> 02:02:10,960 like, take personal responsibility is the first step always, and you want a 1599 02:02:10,960 --> 02:02:14,000 good relationship, build it right, build it, and you're gonna have to 1600 02:02:14,319 --> 02:02:17,159 peel through some layers in your in, your in your spouse, and your 1601 02:02:17,199 --> 02:02:21,199 woman. You're gonna have to dig through a lot of nonsense in yourself too 1602 02:02:21,319 --> 02:02:26,279 to get there and to not just be projecting onto her and nitpicking at her 1603 02:02:26,359 --> 02:02:29,880 and telling her what her problems are. That's you know, there's well, 1604 02:02:29,960 --> 02:02:32,199 there's so much to make it a good relationship. And I feel like reading 1605 02:02:32,239 --> 02:02:36,640 Saint John Crass systems on marriage is really important. And then also just just 1606 02:02:38,359 --> 02:02:42,079 deal with the reality of like you're not perfect, your spouse is not gonna 1607 02:02:42,079 --> 02:02:45,279 be perfect, and uh, but you're you got to work on it together, 1608 02:02:45,319 --> 02:02:48,000 and it's the two become one, not in like an AI gay eye 1609 02:02:48,000 --> 02:02:55,279 way. I was gonna say, this little AI bought baby here is from 1610 02:02:56,359 --> 02:03:00,239 uh, it's from a demon seed. What would you name this bot baby? 1611 02:03:00,319 --> 02:03:02,279 You could even say it's a butt baby, because they have those. 1612 02:03:02,359 --> 02:03:06,439 Now, if you had this bot butt baby, what would you name it? 1613 02:03:06,640 --> 02:03:11,159 Amy Schumer? If you were in a relationship with an AI girlfriend, 1614 02:03:11,199 --> 02:03:14,520 what would you name this? Is that it was that bot baby that I 1615 02:03:14,600 --> 02:03:19,800 see on the screen, name that beautiful bot baby, Amy Schumer. Okay, 1616 02:03:21,600 --> 02:03:25,960 all right, we'll take it. That's a pretty name for aoc AOC. 1617 02:03:26,560 --> 02:03:29,720 Peyton says, for three dollars, you signed the Red Book and my 1618 02:03:29,720 --> 02:03:31,920 girlfriend's book came, but you didn't read the note sections in your website. 1619 02:03:31,920 --> 02:03:34,760 Boomer, Yeah, sometimes I don't read the notes as to who you want 1620 02:03:34,760 --> 02:03:39,119 me to sign the book to, so I apologize. Peyton says for a 1621 02:03:39,159 --> 02:03:42,079 dollar, the shop is done on your website. This was from a couple 1622 02:03:42,039 --> 02:03:44,479 of days ago. These are old super chats I missed. Yes, by 1623 02:03:44,479 --> 02:03:46,760 the way, I was doing a little fixing of the website and the shop 1624 02:03:46,840 --> 02:03:50,520 is back up, so you can head back over there to the website shop 1625 02:03:50,560 --> 02:03:54,760 if you're wanting signed copies of the book, probably won't get there before Christmas 1626 02:03:54,840 --> 02:03:58,800 now so, but you can still get them. BMX nineteen sixty six, 1627 02:03:58,840 --> 02:04:03,039 fifteen dollars. Thank you so much, BMX longtime super chatter Bruh since twenty 1628 02:04:03,079 --> 02:04:09,159 dollars and says every month it looks like something is happening that fulfills the Book 1629 02:04:09,159 --> 02:04:12,760 of Revelation. Throughout history, however, similar things have happened, but this 1630 02:04:12,840 --> 02:04:17,279 trend of Christians becoming lukewarm and not even realizing it does seem new. Do 1631 02:04:17,319 --> 02:04:21,119 you have thoughts? Again? You know, we don't know the end, 1632 02:04:21,520 --> 02:04:26,680 so it's definitely possible. I know the fathers say, the elders say that 1633 02:04:26,760 --> 02:04:30,079 as the end approaches, it will be more and more clear to the church, 1634 02:04:30,720 --> 02:04:31,840 So you know, we don't have to worry about that, like, 1635 02:04:31,920 --> 02:04:34,560 what is it the end? And we don't know it? Uh oh it 1636 02:04:34,600 --> 02:04:42,119 could be, but we just don't know. And I think every generation probably 1637 02:04:42,159 --> 02:04:45,520 has a lot of lukewarm Christians. I don't know if it's like I mean, 1638 02:04:45,600 --> 02:04:49,279 I think there's a lot of apostasies. So maybe KT ten dollars, 1639 02:04:49,279 --> 02:04:54,520 Mary, Blessed Christmas. Thank you, same to you, KT, Daniel 1640 02:04:54,560 --> 02:04:59,279 Nelson ten dollars, Jay, you should collab with Justin Sledge. He runs 1641 02:04:59,439 --> 02:05:02,119 esoteric on YouTube. I'm not familiar with him, but thank you for that, 1642 02:05:02,239 --> 02:05:06,960 Danel. Justin Sledge sounds I'll have to check him out. He sounds 1643 02:05:08,000 --> 02:05:13,840 like he rules, Justin rules because he has well, I guess a sledgehammer 1644 02:05:13,920 --> 02:05:15,920 is not the gavel I was thinking of a guest. He sounds like a 1645 02:05:16,039 --> 02:05:19,640 character, like a judge dread. Yeah, he sounds like a villain or 1646 02:05:19,920 --> 02:05:23,800 like a hero. Yeah, exactly, DC would work at three dollars. 1647 02:05:24,279 --> 02:05:28,840 I've heard that you can put AI into a girlfriend funko pop. Exactly. 1648 02:05:28,960 --> 02:05:31,359 That's what we all know. I'm after, Well, Emmanuel ten dollars, 1649 02:05:31,359 --> 02:05:36,680 Merry Christmas, Merry Christmas to you Well, Emanuel flav flave one dollar if 1650 02:05:36,680 --> 02:05:41,319 you watch the movie Napoleon. No, honestly, I don't. I mean, 1651 02:05:41,399 --> 02:05:45,319 Ridley Scott's movies are constantly feminist, annoying nonsense. I don't remember the 1652 02:05:45,359 --> 02:05:51,439 last Ridley Scott movie. Maybe that one where that chick infiltrates that in that 1653 02:05:54,039 --> 02:06:00,159 Green ng O. That's a pretty good movie. The counselor the counselor he 1654 02:06:00,239 --> 02:06:04,159 do that. I don't even remember that. Dude, I don't know, 1655 02:06:04,239 --> 02:06:09,239 But I mean everybody said Napoleon was garbage. I figured it would be. 1656 02:06:10,399 --> 02:06:13,840 How would you compare it to warm Peace? Well, I haven't seen Napoleon. 1657 02:06:13,960 --> 02:06:17,039 Uh, don't care about Tolstoy Tristan. What is your top recommended reading 1658 02:06:17,119 --> 02:06:24,960 list? Jay's got a great reading list. I got to say, like 1659 02:06:25,399 --> 02:06:29,840 many books that Jay is recommended and super helpful for me kind of put certain 1660 02:06:29,880 --> 02:06:32,279 pieces together. So I know, Jay's got probably one of the better reading 1661 02:06:32,319 --> 02:06:36,159 lists for like this Globalist book series. It's great, So definitely check that 1662 02:06:36,199 --> 02:06:40,079 out. You know, I've actually been reading pretty slowly. I should have 1663 02:06:40,119 --> 02:06:43,199 read it quicker. I've been reading Blood Meridian, really enjoy it. I 1664 02:06:43,760 --> 02:06:47,000 do like Cormack McCarthy, people like I've seen some hate from Cormack McCarthy lately. 1665 02:06:47,199 --> 02:06:49,359 I think it was after he died. People just want to hate. 1666 02:06:49,840 --> 02:06:56,680 But I do like his novels as far as an American and it just as 1667 02:06:56,720 --> 02:07:00,319 the American experience I feel like is really encapsulated in some of his novel The 1668 02:07:00,399 --> 02:07:03,000 Road was fantastic. The Road is a great book. If you haven't seen 1669 02:07:03,039 --> 02:07:05,800 the movie, don't watch the movie, you watch read the book first. 1670 02:07:06,960 --> 02:07:14,640 I think The Road was good. Blood Meridian solid. Uh, yeah, 1671 02:07:14,640 --> 02:07:16,960 I'm gonna pull I have to pull a Nathan here and one up you, 1672 02:07:17,039 --> 02:07:20,960 right Nathan style. Yeah. I already wrote a grad paper on Blood Marinia. 1673 02:07:21,680 --> 02:07:27,239 I actually ghost wrote Blood Meridian. I'm just joking. I'm just joking. 1674 02:07:28,199 --> 02:07:30,279 I mean, I do have a grad I do have a grad paper 1675 02:07:30,319 --> 02:07:32,840 on it. But I'm not trying to one up you. I would Will 1676 02:07:32,880 --> 02:07:34,560 you say that to me? If you? I mean, I don't know 1677 02:07:34,600 --> 02:07:36,840 if you have it, like if it's a form, I actually have it 1678 02:07:36,920 --> 02:07:41,800 right here, I actually have it right here. Well, can you recite 1679 02:07:41,840 --> 02:07:45,600 it to me? Uh? I could, but he wouldn't get it, 1680 02:07:45,640 --> 02:07:48,560 so I don't want to make you look bad, So I could I could 1681 02:07:48,600 --> 02:07:54,479 tell that like whatever Jay wrote you probably misunderstood the book anyways, so I 1682 02:07:54,479 --> 02:07:58,680 would love to critique his grad I did have it, so we I did 1683 02:07:58,680 --> 02:08:03,119 not read the road. I've only read Blood Meridian, and it's pretty crazy 1684 02:08:03,159 --> 02:08:05,199 because it's it's I think it's a totally gnostic. I mean, it's one 1685 02:08:05,279 --> 02:08:09,079 or percent gnostic. That was my argument. My my professor liked it, 1686 02:08:09,119 --> 02:08:11,600 so that proves me right. So there you go. Oh, I mean 1687 02:08:11,640 --> 02:08:13,520 it's it's pretty it's a pretty wild book. I mean, as far as 1688 02:08:13,560 --> 02:08:16,720 I think it's a good I mean, I guess it's it's in how you 1689 02:08:16,760 --> 02:08:20,800 read it. But so far, I'm seeing a great critique on kind of 1690 02:08:20,800 --> 02:08:26,640 the American and the right. Yeah, it's like this hellscape of the of 1691 02:08:26,720 --> 02:08:33,039 the wild West, and you have Roman Catholicism, Protestanism, Protestantism clashing together 1692 02:08:33,119 --> 02:08:37,640 and kind of the bones of these, uh, these religions where so many 1693 02:08:37,680 --> 02:08:41,800 people are apostasizing from now. I think it's I think it's pretty relevant. 1694 02:08:41,960 --> 02:08:46,680 And yeah, I've only read the first half so far, but I'm gonna 1695 02:08:46,680 --> 02:08:48,000 finish it this week. You want to hear another I don't know if you 1696 02:08:48,079 --> 02:08:54,279 got to hear my breakdown of Wise Blood by Flannery O'Connor, did you hear 1697 02:08:54,319 --> 02:08:58,119 me do that? I you know, if it's something that I haven't read, 1698 02:08:58,359 --> 02:09:01,239 I try to like read it, or or same with films, like 1699 02:09:01,239 --> 02:09:03,039 if you're going to do a film review, I'd rather watch the film and 1700 02:09:03,079 --> 02:09:07,319 then get that because you know, just kind of well. I say that 1701 02:09:07,439 --> 02:09:13,039 because I know that you appreciate when the literature is predictive. And you know, 1702 02:09:13,079 --> 02:09:18,840 we talked about Dostievsky kind of predicting the Mountain of skulls the Socialists would 1703 02:09:18,840 --> 02:09:26,720 bring in. Flannery O'Connor's Wise Blood predicted the New Atheists pretty wild. I 1704 02:09:26,720 --> 02:09:31,239 mean, she was way ahead of her time because she perfectly captures the attitude 1705 02:09:31,319 --> 02:09:35,840 and the mindset of the way those guys think, the way they operate. 1706 02:09:35,359 --> 02:09:39,319 It's a novella, so it's about one hundred pages, and I highly recommend 1707 02:09:39,319 --> 02:09:43,000 that it's really funny, it's really smart, really well done. Of course, 1708 02:09:43,000 --> 02:09:46,399 she was a tried cat, but she's got really good literary skills. 1709 02:09:46,079 --> 02:09:50,159 And I read all of her other stuff except for I'm on her final thing 1710 02:09:50,239 --> 02:09:54,760 that I will have read all of her stuff, which is violent bear it 1711 02:09:54,800 --> 02:10:01,760 away, And that's crazy because she predicts the outlandishness of charismatic movements there. 1712 02:10:01,800 --> 02:10:07,079 So the whole story is about this crazy old dude who lives out in the 1713 02:10:07,119 --> 02:10:13,560 country and he steals kids to baptize them because I mean, he's not a 1714 02:10:13,560 --> 02:10:16,920 creeper, he's just crazy and he baptized. He steals goods to baptize them 1715 02:10:16,960 --> 02:10:24,359 because he thinks he's ordained as a prophet, and so he's a crazy charismatic. 1716 02:10:24,920 --> 02:10:28,159 Yeah, it's a genius, genius story. So both of those are 1717 02:10:28,199 --> 02:10:31,560 good. Gary Sin's fifty bucks. Thank you so much, Gary for that 1718 02:10:31,600 --> 02:10:33,560 big fat super chat winning the super Chat tonight. He doesn't say anything. 1719 02:10:35,680 --> 02:10:39,279 Temple hat Girl five dollars. I find all this gnostic bull to be very 1720 02:10:39,319 --> 02:10:43,680 low iq. They claim to hate biblical principles, but they have no problem 1721 02:10:43,840 --> 02:10:48,840 borrowing from all these concepts exactly great point. It's obvious and cringe. Merry 1722 02:10:48,920 --> 02:10:52,520 Christmas, both you guys and blessings. Well, Merry Christmas to you, 1723 02:10:52,600 --> 02:10:56,640 Temple hat Girl, much appreciated. Travis ten dollars. With the rise of 1724 02:10:56,680 --> 02:11:00,319 all these sex bots and automated vehicles, it's only a matter of time before 1725 02:11:00,359 --> 02:11:05,119 we get a country song about a man's truck leaving him Oh, there we 1726 02:11:05,159 --> 02:11:11,680 go, Sleeper, five dollars. How did I not find all of your 1727 02:11:11,720 --> 02:11:16,800 work earlier? Because you were enormy and you were dumb, just kidding, 1728 02:11:16,159 --> 02:11:22,760 best social media, didn't you weren't? Yeah? You you You don't deserve 1729 02:11:22,800 --> 02:11:26,880 it. You probably still don't deserve welcome. You're you're not initiated yet. 1730 02:11:26,920 --> 02:11:30,079 But perhaps if you, you know, continue on your journey, you can 1731 02:11:30,119 --> 02:11:35,439 be as enlightened as uh as a doctor Crispy Roth's child in the chat who 1732 02:11:35,439 --> 02:11:41,119 else in the chat trying to think of him grandma, You can be as 1733 02:11:41,399 --> 02:11:45,800 wise as the orthodox boomer grandma if you stick around for a while. Sleeper 1734 02:11:45,880 --> 02:11:50,039 says, you are the best social media diva influencer out there. There we 1735 02:11:50,079 --> 02:11:56,600 go, and thank you so much. The debates over you thought he was 1736 02:11:56,640 --> 02:12:01,000 talking to you. You know he's Onking Me, he says, I look 1737 02:12:01,000 --> 02:12:03,760 forward to hearing you on Lord Voldemart. Well, thank you very much, 1738 02:12:03,840 --> 02:12:07,600 again proving that it's me not you. BMX nineteen sixty six, ten dollars, 1739 02:12:07,640 --> 02:12:11,319 Thank you so much. BMX. Guys subscribe to Tristan over at uh 1740 02:12:13,039 --> 02:12:18,439 what's his website? Uh? Boomer boomerompods dot com. I forget the name 1741 02:12:18,479 --> 02:12:22,920 of your website, Yeah, the Open Society founder, Oh society, that's 1742 02:12:22,920 --> 02:12:26,359 it. Tristan's what side is over there now? Soros Foundation, Ford Foundation. 1743 02:12:26,399 --> 02:12:30,560 Anyway, all right, thank you guys so much. Great breakdown. 1744 02:12:31,319 --> 02:12:33,439 Uh, guys, I really enjoyed Tristan's stream last night. If you didn't 1745 02:12:33,439 --> 02:12:37,399 see it, it's really funny, go watch it. Tristan really got deep 1746 02:12:37,439 --> 02:12:43,800 into deconstructing Ai and Paul whatever his name is, our friend from and I's 1747 02:12:43,840 --> 02:12:46,560 new Internet dad. So yeah, we're gonna we're gonna interview, We're gonna 1748 02:12:46,600 --> 02:12:50,840 try to We're gonna email him and see if he'll if he'll actually Internet adopt 1749 02:12:50,000 --> 02:12:54,960 us as his as his YouTube children, because you know, I'm a huge 1750 02:12:54,960 --> 02:12:58,279 fan of fallow now my new favorite channel. Yeah, thanks, Jay, 1751 02:12:58,279 --> 02:13:03,760 appreciate it. Man'll see it. Let me know. Maybe let's we'll talk 1752 02:13:03,760 --> 02:13:03,960 about it offline about what we can