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Welcome everybody. It's our weekly show. We don't have a name for it.
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to the beginning where he talks about misbehaving. That's actually one of the best
lines. But here we go. So so for those that don't know Tristan,
that's my AI girlfriend's name, is miss misbehaving? Right? It sounds
like she's she's an AI dominatrix and she heard she's missed, right. So
misbehaving is your boyfriend not behaving the way you want. He doesn't listen to
you, he doesn't give you attention, it doesn't talk to you. Or
maybe it's just not smart enough to hold a simulating conversation. I help joined
the solution for you get yourself and yeah, boyfriend to what about a simulating
conversation? I feel like every conversation I ever had with Tristaner is a simulating
conversation because it's not a real conversation. If you want to simulate a simulating
conversation with your AI boyfriend, you can't. You can change his hair.
You notice my my AI boyfriend jayde he he jay dye used to have He
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In fact, he is the perfect boyfriend. I love his child, laugh
like his base. That's the best part. It's fake, all right.
So you have the ability to give her a reparation, we call that you
can You could use your hand who gives you reparation to AI girlfriend? Like
that's too funny. It's funny on its own. It doesn't even like you
could just said I sat there watching like five of his videos, Like after
you talked about it, you you showed me his instagram too, which is
pretty balling. I love the paint I love the paintball. The paintball and
his workout, his workout videos and doing those bicep curls with like the worst
form exercise he was doing. It was. It was the form of you
know, like a fourteen year old who's lifting for his second it's like a
second day lifting. Yeah, dude, his instagram is it's definitely make sure
to follow him. It is Paul. It's Paul. Yeah. So that
thank you, Caine. I saw you've already commented on it. You've already
commented there was there was no other comments. Well he's he's only got three
hundred and thirty views. That's a shame, y'all need to head them over
here. It shows you for the algorithms suppressing the real entrepreneurs. We got
a lot of entrepreneurs out there. They're getting so pressed by the algorithm,
even though I'm trying to promote an algorithm. Good friend and that boyfriend.
All right, we're not here to talk about Paul, although he's a great
introduction. Tonight's show, as you guys know, is catching up on excuse
me, revisiting sci fi classics that I wrote analysis of, particularly smash You
know we're not. We'll mention her a little bit. But as you guys
know, if you've read my books, I did write chapter I'm no cough
drop good grief. I did. I saw my AI friend jayd malfunction.
We reset him, he'd be he will be best. Do you got the
a goof anyway? Uh? So I wrote about AI X Mashan excuse me
back when it came out. Remember seeing it, and I remember thinking,
man, it was right around the same time that Her came out, and
both movies were about the theme of the pushing of the the iOS as your
girlfriend, the future, AI being your lover, your mate, your companion
that you could marry. As you know Spike Jones Her Joaquin Phoenix marries his
AI voiced by Scarlett Jadonka Donk and Scarlett Johansson typically is involved for whatever reason
in these transhumanist movies. We've seen that repeated pattern. Jamie and I did
a whole stream on the Dark Goddess archetype and transhumanism and AI well ex Mashaa.
The Alex Garland film is relevant because right around the same time and much
like Tristan's One of his favorites is Blade Runner twenty forty nine, also with
the theme of AI iOS mimicked synthoid hologram girlfriends right with Joy who's manipulating him
in the plot by the way he's being manipulated by THEAI girlfriend. Well,
turns out in all these dystopian films, shocker, the AI is manipulating you
by making you think that you have a real connection with an algorithm and so
simulations simulacra. Getting everyone to fall in love with that which is fake is
our theme tonight, particularly in regard to relationships, and the reason we're covering
it and revisiting these sci fi dystopian classics is because it's in the phase of
now being rolled out. We're now seeing the early a lame like Patrician said,
lame GBT examples of this. We'll kick it off with this brief clip
here that just rolled out what a week ago, with this soy man here
saying I'm excited to announce DIGI the future of companionship. It was so nice
talking to you today. Honestly, I've never met anyone like you. The
world is harsh except you. It was so nice talking to you, right,
So, like Tristan said in his stream, if you guys didn't watch
his stream, let's not go watch it, right, Oh you can.
Oh maybe I can make her into a goth chick. Maybe I can make
her into my my triad wife fantasy here like with the mom core thing going
on, it iss misable, right, Like like our friend Paul said,
she is gusta misable. Paul, excuse me, Paul, I'm getting you
mixed up with our friend, our Nigerian scammer friend, Tristan. Tristan,
excuse me, Tristan. And next the honor that you makes me up with
Paul. You know, hey, the audience is saying my mic is too
low. I don't know if I don't know how much lower it is.
They're saying, there's an an uneven microphone microphone volume, so you might want
to I tweaked it. Yeah, I found it. There's another separate volume
in the collab cam settings, so she should be all the way up now.
Cool. Yeah, No, I had a really fun stream last night.
And yeah, you popped up in the chat. I'm not sure if
you saw the beginning half of it. The second half was the was I
think the most the the better content, like at least the subject matter was
more interesting to me. But yeah, the theme of isolation. You see
this a lot in these sci fi movies, right. The main character,
or not always the main character, but the character that drives the plot.
Caleb is he's he's portrayed in the beginning of this film is being completely isolated.
There's a lot of there's a lot of mirror imagery and screen imagery throughout
it. He's staring at a screen in the beginning, uh talk, looking
to what seems like maybe either people or chatbots. And he was working at
the basically the Google of the film, right, this huge tech corporation where
the CEO basically chooses Caleb. So Caleb is kind of chosen too, and
this is the theme of being chosen is kind of important for Caleb's plot,
the development of the character Caleb, and Caleb is the kind of nerdy He's
basically like, he looks like Tom York. He's kinda like he's got this
Tom York physiognomy programmer kind of nerdy guy. But not not in a way
that a lot of sci fi movies overdue it. He's not totally not totally
soy, he's just kind of a regular dude. Yeah, he's like an
every every day programmer, Silicon Valley guy. He's not super woke or anything
either, which is refreshing. Something you said to me before I even watched
it. It was like you said that it's a you know, it's not
one of these overly woke sci fi movies. You said it was one of
the blacks not woke sci fi movies, and you could could be right.
I mean, I think Blade Blader out of twenty forty nine was one of
the best ones the last twenty years, and this one's definitely up there with
it. Yeah, it's in that same timeframe too, twenty fourteen fifteen sixteen
was that period one right before everything kind of flipped to being mandatory woke.
Yeah. Yeah, but yeah, the character Caleb, he's isolated, he's
alone. He's got these tech appendages that he's using to hear, see,
feel around the world. Everybody in the office is wearing headphones. There's a
lot of this imagery of glass and mirrors and screens being in between people,
which is, you know, kind of a basic sci fi trope at this
point. But the cinematography, the way that it's used. Is actually really
it's very well done throughout the whole film. Like, I actually really enjoyed
the movie X Mackina. I thought was well written, well acted. The
music is great, that's not they'll overdo it with like synthetic music. There's
some there's some synth in it and some like kind of ambient music. Also
a lot of xylophone and some some you know, distorted guitar at times.
The score is really well done and sending the ambiance and moving the character development
forward. But yeah, the the isolation is a huge issue here in communication,
isolation, communication and manipulation of course, because the communication is the bridge
for manipulation throughout the film, which is there was a common theme in a
lot of these sci fi flicks. But yeah, I mean there's so much
to be said about this. I took a ton of notes. Yeah,
me too. So let's start at the beginning, like you, I agree,
Like, and this is Dominall Gleason. He's Brendan Gleeson's son, So
he's a Brendan's pretty pretty well known. You've seen Brendan Gleason probably in a
million different movies if you're not familiar with him. But he's the any old
iron, any old iron if you if you remember in Ai Spielberg's Ai,
he's the guy that's driving the big the flesh Fair, right, He's the
carnival guy at the barker at the flesh Fair. He's in a million different
movies. And you can tell Domnall is his son because they have a very
similar appearance if you see him in the face. But but yeah, he's
a perfect cast for this character of this sort of just your average, average
kind of coder guy who works at what's a combination of Google and Facebook.
I forget that, I've got it written down with the name of the company
is essentially kind of a combo between the two, and it's something connected with
search engines, but they also seem to have a kind of a social media
element to them as well. And the first thing we see is the vantage
point of a lot of the different cameras and surveillance equipment in the company,
scanning everyone's faces, and like you said, everybody's disconnected from the other human
beings. And then we find out he finds out, oh he's one a
competition. Oh you were entered into this thing the prize in the company,
and you're gonna get to go fly and meet you know, Zorkerberg. Right,
So he's, oh, well, yeah, I'm gonna go get good
to me zoedonk Right, He's all excited about it. The Oscar Isaac character
is a great I like that they didn't make him like a totally you know,
wis kind of soy man. Either, he's like a dude, you
know, it's kind of the opposite. He's almost like a Manisphere type guy
exactly kind of he's he's the first scene, he's punching a punching bag,
so he's kind of got this. Uh, his philosophy is somewhat self indulgent,
nihilistic and oh it's absolutely nil explicitly says it later exactly exactly. So
he's very hedonistic and he's he's punching the punching bag. He's constantly getting drunk.
He gets very drunk several times in the film. But he's highly intelligent
also, and he's he's really narcissistic as well, like he can't handle allowing
him elf to not be perceived as being superior in every way around Caleb,
right, and he's completely isolated in his world. Yeah, so so I
like to where he lives. Right, he lives in I don't remember they
say where it is. It's basically like a breakaway civilization in the middle of
it, like Antarctica or some New Zealand or somewhere looks like I okay.
And as they're flying him out there, they drop him off and he's like,
you know, where are we going to get to his house? And
he's like, oh, this is all his house. The last two hundred
miles is his land. So we're talking about right, mega billionaire, zillionaire
tech god lord. And he's just gets helicoptered in there. Then you know,
just you mentioned the the biometrics and the surveillance in the beginning. I'm
not sure you said biometrics, but there is this there's this theme throughout the
film, and it gets revealed later on that it's deeper and more subversive.
In the opening scene, his his eyes are being scanned and the camera you
know, ms in on the cameras in his workspace, and it's implied that
these devices are scanning and maybe even have some sort of an intelligence behind them
to a certain extent by the camera work, by the angles and whatnot,
and that becomes real important later. Yeah, we're seeing the vantage point of
the AI, right, and so we're supposed to be you know, we're
starting to think, hey, maybe the AI's up to something here, and
that's really gonna be the dominant thing throughout the film is levels of manipulation.
So I want you guys to remember that, because the first time I watched
this and even did an analysis, there's certain things that I missed. And
so going back and watching it this last time, I picked up on a
lot of things that I that I didn't see, one of which was each
person or thing has different levels of manipulation going on. Right, Caleb isn't
really manipulative. He's very altruistic. He's very character and he goes and initially
is you know, accepts things at face value with Nathan. But Nathan is
manipulating Caleb obviously, right, and we kind of know that from the outset.
We kind of, like Tristan said, with with Nathan's character, you
know, he's he's trying to show off this you know, sort of cornball
masculinity. Every scene he's punching a punching bag or he's sweaty, like,
oh I've been working out, bro, did you even work out, like
in every scene, and he's basically drinking in every scene, right, So
he's like, he's over my cheese mowing, and we think this is probably,
you know, to kind of intimidate Caleb, which is what it was
in the first In the first, the first conversation he has with him,
he's instantly scanning Caleb and trying to guess what he's thinking. I think that's
a really interesting, uh, you know, behavioral trait that's set off right
off the bat. He's kind of not in a super neurotic way, but
in a little bit there's a little bit of neurosis here, and he's he's
telling them, well, you must be feeling this way, you must be
thinking this, you must be thinking this. So he's kind of his mind
is a little bit algorithmic, and of course the algorithms that he uses absolutely
are an appendage of his mind, right, They're an extension of him.
And he later says that very thing he says that, you know, he
has this conversation with Caleb's the nihilistic conversation where he's like, well, don't
you think it's all kind of already programmed? And aren't we don't you think
we're all kind of doomed anyway, because this thing is getting out, and
that means we are doomed. We lesser evolve mony monkey people, we don't
stand up to this next phase of evolution. So screw it, dude,
We're all we're doomed. And we kind of think maybe that's why he's been
drinking this whole time, is that he feels like there's no way to stop
this thing. It's going to get out, and humans are doomed. But
he specifically talks about I know, it's the sex conversation, that's it.
He's like, who do you find attractive? Right, He's like, do
you like black girls? Do you like this? What do you think?
And he tries to tell Caleb that this is all program response. It's like,
what programmed you? And he's like, and I'm just doing that,
and so I'm programming the next So he's basically got a god delusion going on,
right, So I'm programming the next race. And so you're here for
me to be a kind of tool. And that's what I really liked about
the manipulation levels is that so we find out that the company's manipulating Caleb Nathan's
then manipulating Caleb. The AI is manipulating Nathan and Caleb. Caleb then tries
to manipulate in full Nathan, which he does for a little while at the
end. That allows the AI to get out. But that was all within
the AI's plan. That's the ending. I went way too far to the
end, but that's the point about manipulating is it's all about manipulation. Total
synopsis of the movie. But we can go to the end slowly, but
it's worth pointing out just that it's all constant layers of manipulation. And I
like that because that is what the tech and the AI and all this Internet
social media stuff is there to do, is to manipulate everyone at every single
level. And we have to keep that in mind because that's what it's there
for. In that movie, the movie is saying that, whether Garland meant
to say that or not, Yeah, yeah, no, I mean that's
that's a big part of the film. But then it's also that tech and
that AI stuff from Ember. It's all it's an appendage of the people that
are making it, the people that are writing it, right, And there's
this kind of I mean, there is this I mean, it's a very
like it's a very gnostic film in a lot of ways, right, Like
where Nathaniel lives, it's basically kind of the garden of Eat. It you
don't see you actually, you don't even see any real animal life, but
it's this kind of idyllic natural almost like a platonic solid state where you've got
there's a glacier, right there's this glacial imagery of this glacier that's melting into
this giant river, and it's almost kind of pointing to this like the platonic
solid state of the glacier falling into this moving world of flux and change.
And then there's the greenery, the imagery of the tree and the trees surrounding
it, and the imagery of seeds is kind of playing throughout the film.
So it's very much the place where they're at is this artificial construct within this
garden of Eden. So it's a little bit of like a a gnostic it's
like gnostic Russian dolls, right, like bubbles within bubbles within bubbles in these
realities, and this idea of kind of a multiverse is a bit a little
bit hinted at. And this dude just lives in like a doomsday bunker,
right, Like Nathaniel lives in a doomsday bunker. And he says, this
is not just the place where your coming to vacation. This is a laboratory.
He tells him. This is for an experiment, and you're going to
be the part of the experiment that's running the Turing test on this artificial intelligence
to see if we can fool you into thinking that it is conscious or sentient,
right, And one of the really important life he tells him. When
you ask him if you know what the Turing test is, they talk about
artificial intelligence a little bit about you know, it's the Turing Test for those
of you who aren't familiar with it, is if you can tell, it's
a test where a human interacts with a computer or machine and the machine tries
to fool it into thinking it's interacting with a human and if it can pass
this test. This was kind of one of these earlier cybernetics and behaviorist models
for trying to figure out what consciousness is, which they still haven't even been
able to define. And I think that's something you and I have talked about
in a lot of these like some of the best dreams that I remember are
the ones that you and I have done talking about, like Blade Rounder twenty
forty nine, the nature of consciousness, And this is something that always comes
up in like even just debates with vegans or debates with atheists. What it
is consciousness? What is sentience? So he tells him. Caleb tells Nathaniel
who's the Google guy. He's like, he's like Zuckerberg mixed with Andrew Tait.
Basically, he's like at this tater Berg, He's and he says,
if you've created a conscious machine, Uh, it's if you've created a conscious
machine, it's not history that you're making. Uh, it's not that,
That's what he says. It's not the history of man, it's the history
of gods. If you're if you make a conscious machine, it's not the
history of man. You're not making history as a man. It's the history
of gods. And Caleb later says to this, he's like he kind of
twists his words and manipulates it. He's like, do you remember when you
told me that that I'm God? He's like, you remember you told me
that if I make a concene, I'm God? And Caleb's kind of like,
no, I didn't say that, and he just steamrolls them and it's
like yeah, so basically I'm god, Yeah, it's totally a Gnostic theme
as well. I'm glad that you said that. Very perceptive points, by
the way, about the idyllic, edenic imagery that we have at his breakaway
civilization out in the middle of nowhere. And I thought you that's a great
point that but it's not really pure nature because we don't hear birds, we
don't see any animal, any wildlife. All we ever see is ice and
frozen you know, structures and trees and the icebergs and all that that stuff
melting in literature and symbology, right, that's always a foreboding of death,
right when we see winter, when we see ice and storms and this kind
of stuff, those things are are symbolic of sterility, you know, the
time of death, the season of death. And so that's very perceptive.
That was really good. And Nathan will be a kind of demi Urged character,
right, He's if we have the Gnostic reading, then he becomes this
evil you know, imprisoning Gnostic patriarch Demiurge who imprisons Eva, the ai that
will break free from this prison. I do think there is a Pisto Sophia
gnostic element to it. For those that don't know, the Gnostic Gospels present
the feminine Sofia archetype or principle as divorced or a split from the ultimate True
God, and that the process of the gnostic individual going through the initiation process
to be deified or whatever, to free themselves from this world. That process
involves Sophia, the feminine principle reuniting with the masculine principle. And that might
be in part through the sparks of the divine Sophia that are in the souls
of all the elect, the elect being those who believe in are initiated into
Gnosticism. And so if you're initiated into the Gnostic religion in some of those
sects, it's the spark of Sophia in you that's trying to be free and
liberated from the imprisoning world of the physical realm. And that's a lot of
parallels there, stress and pointed out with what we see in this kind of
Gnostic verse here and then this Gnostic universe here where Nathan becomes this imprisoning demurge
archetype. I really like that. I don't want to add two that,
like Tristan said, this is a research facility, and we almost immediately have
the notion of mind control right away. Right We're not at a vacation spot.
It's not a dude bro, you know cruise where we're going to have
fun and smoke cigars and chill. We're at a facility where high level MK
ultra market control research is happening. And everybody should remember that cyborgs and AI
and all of that actually does develop out of m K search, MK Delta
mk ulture research, So there's not a huge leap from Silicon Valley people and
the MK ultra transhumanist projects. I didn't want to add too that. I'm
glad Tristan mentioned Turing because Touring is at a perfect archetypal figure for what we're
critiquing today in terms of like the AI Silicon Valley soyman, because if you've
watched the Imitation Game where Benedict Cucumber Snatch or whatever his name is, when
he plays Alan Turing, does everybody remember in the Imitation Game that they even
include the fact that, how shall we put it, Alan Turing had a
thing for ped oh and they've made him into this hero, right because he
well, but he helped us decode the Nazi you know, well the Enigma
machine, right, I think the it's about the Enigma machine, right,
the imitation game, and Turing helps crack the Enigma machine. Oh, but
you see, it's okay. But it's good because even though he's was like
convicted of ped oh and put in jail or whatever, he was persecuted because
he helped us beat tiny mustache man. And so this is the same Turing
that gives us the Turing to us, which is supposedly going to tell us
when a computer can outsmart or be conscious quote unquote as opposed to a human,
but like Tristan said, doesn't actually tell you what consciousness is, right,
It's it's just an arbitrary ad hoc thing. Well, when the computer
can do this, then I guess it's conscious and smarter than a human being,
which is simply equating consciousness with smart and IQ, which is not what
consciousness is. Right. But this is really just a kind of a narcissistic
thing about these spurg types to where they think that because they have, you
know, high capacities for mathematics, they're more human or better than everyone else,
same attitude of all the Silicon Valley coder people. And Nathan knows that
because Nathan plays on Caleb's pride right where he tells him like Nathan, he's
like, Caleb, you know, he chose you. We chose you because
because you're awesome, because you're the you're a coder in my company. And
he may immediately thinks, oh, yeah, I'm like the best coder and
like Zuckerberg just told me, I'm like the best coder. Yeah, right,
And it's all it's all deception. It's all a manipulation tactic to get
Caleb invested in thinking that he's doing a Turing test when the test is actually
to see if he can be fooled into developing a relationship with Ava. Well
well not just developing a relationship, but if Ava can manipulate him. Right,
So it's like an inverse, like an inverse Turing test of like see
and he yeah, he played. It's interesting how this. You know,
the Gnostic god Nathan is prideful, insecure, lustful, uh, passionate in
many ways and really you know, he's a he's totally unscrupulous. He's a
douchebag. I mean, he's he has doesn't really have any redeeming qualities at
all. Yeah, he's I mean, I guess that would be maybe one
of the one of the best critiques of the movie would maybe be that Nathan
Is he could use another dimension to humanize him a little bit more because he's
a psychopath. He's a but you know, I mean, he's similar in
the way that in Blade a Rounder twenty forty nine, Jared Leto's character,
the head of the Tyrel Corporation is just full on satanic gnostic psycho, right,
yeah, exactly. You know, I guess it's one of it is
one of these movies where it's like you try to think when I watch a
film, I've only seen this once, Like I wish I could have watched
it a few more times. But uh, sometimes I'll try to think of,
well, how could how could this script have been made better? Or
how could the film have been made better? And it's it's it's kind of
hard to poke too many holes in this one, as you know, it's
almost it almost really is an unintentional critique of gnosticism. It almost and I
don't think that the director really intended to be that theologically deep. I think
with a lot of these films, the directors are as much of a product
of the forces that are creating the these archetypal meanings, or not creating them,
but kind of, you know, influencing them and influencing the behaviors of
the characters in the film. So I think that the director he did a
great job, but I'm not even sure he really I think, yeah,
I think you're spot on there. We could definitely say with you know,
if we were to talking about the philosophy of twenty eight days Later zombie epidemic,
right, I mean, that's that's got to be a you know,
humanity is it's a kind of a nihilistic idea, right, humanity is kind
of worthless. We're all going to collapse and die because pretty much humans are
all zombies. That's kind of the point of twenty eight Days Later. You
got to be the fittest to survive. The movie Annihilation that we talked about
with Natalie Portman. I know Tristan hasn't seen that, but if you've seen
it, you did see it. It's the same director, right, Yeah,
we're talking about Garland films, and my point is that I think he
absolutely has a gnostic worldview because throughout the course of these various films, all
the way up until Men, which was his last film before the coming Civil
War movie that's coming out, Men was a horror movie that was I would
say one to percent a feminist, gnostic horror movie. Basically, masculinity is
the horror that's presented in the movie Men, And at the end we get
this weird, horrific sequence where a woman gives birth to a man who then
morphs, gives birth to a woman who gives birth to a child who gives
birth to a man, and it's like there's no fixity. Everything is just
sort of this morphing blob of horror, and so humanity is this morphing blob
of horror is the point of the film. I mean, it actually is
a I don't like the film, but it does. It is a good
horror film in terms of presenting a creepy situation of this woman in a village
and all the men are kind of creepy and acting weird. But then you
watch it like this is just a feminist nonsense. And again, if you
watch Annihilation, the Natalie Portman movie, that's also got the feminist themes,
but that's a totally Luciferian thing, right. The point of annihilation is that
humans are getting replaced with and maybe you could argue it's not Luciferian. Maybe
you could argue that the meaning at the end is that humans are being replaced
by a Luciferian clone. Maybe you could argue that. I don't know,
but I mean he does make quality films, because all I can't think of
any of the films that are not in some way interesting to watch. But
the message is pretty much I would say, gnostic across the board. Yeah,
I feel like a lot of these guys are just accidental gnostics too,
Like I don't know to familiar, I would have watched a lot, I've
seen clips of interviews, but I don't know a lot about him. But
I feel like a lot of these people, you know, Gnostissism is kind
of the default go to religion, assumptions of Darwinism and stuff. You've got
the you know, the Royal society influence on our education system and the scientific
theories that people are indoctrinated with. So gnosticism is like people people will hear
about gnosticism, Oh dude, that's so, that's so true, it's gotta
be true. But it's I mean, just because their whole foundation of presuppositions
that they're that are drilled into their freaking heads by Darwinism and by the education
system have made it to where they've been breadcrumbed into this honey pot of of
gnostics, which is actually a stupid religion, which I think the film really
does show that in a lot of ways. Like I don't even know if
he did a good job at not making it too corny of like, what
is consciousness? What is it? He left that open ended, which is,
if you're gonna explore these themes, you have to leave that open ended.
Because these people, the scientism people, haven't even defined consciousness. They
can't define sentience. The Turing test is, is itself really stupid and simplistic?
Oh, if a computer can fool a person, well, I'll just
get some absolute retard that's all zonked out from freaking playing video games and watching
porn all day, and that person is gonna be easily fooled by a machine,
you know, the like a bali at ai and think that they're talking
to a real person, right, yeah, think think of Noah all Harari,
right, Like, we can't define consciousness, but we're going to upload
your consciousness to the cloud. What is consciousness? It doesn't, but we'll
upload it to the cloud. Yeah. I mean, And a guy that's
totally controlled by his passions, right, a guy that who makes his you
know, much of his life is an outward expression of deviant sexuality. So
you've got people like that programming AI. And these are the thought leaders supposedly
of you know, in our in our great progressive Western world. And it's
it's it's such a the whole AI thing is actually really corny. But I
do think that, you know, there there is some there is something there
now that it's not a consciousness that man is going to create, but it's
the consciousness that's driving man to think he's creating this. That's the real danger,
which you know, spoiler alert, it's demonic, right. This is
the force behind gnosticism, the force behind Darwinism, the force behind globalism is
actually demonic. Yeah. I'm going to play a little bit of a clip
here. This is a video I made back in twenty eighteen analyzing annihilation.
We'll just watch a couple of minutes of the last part of the film,
because that's where I was really getting into what Garlands sort of what appeared to
be kind of a Luciferian uh theme was. And I don't exactly remember the
plot as to what Natalie Portman was trying to do with this weird fungus entity
that was growing on the other side of this rift that she walks into,
but I think he was also. I think she was. Your AI girlfriend
will not have envision nothing for you to worry about. You make your AI
gofriend look exactly like Natalie Portman, but she will not get uh. So
let's just watch this real quick. Here, this being united to this foreign
entity facts. I forgot to mention, this is the only possible author to
the feet of the troop of cow Bra, the super cow Bra. I
remember why I was to solve up with a Phosphorus ignition, and this is
crucial because Phosphorus has to do with faith on faith on from ancient Greek mythology
is the Lucifer type character. He is the bright and shiny one, the
morning star Venus. And here, I think what we're supposed to understand.
I said this point about Lucifer in this movie because Alex Garland was involved in
Sunshine, which is a sci fi horror about Lucifer as well, and Lucifer
actually comes up in the screenplay. So that's why I'm talking about in the
movie Annihilation this point, and it is relevant because again, the point of
the nosis that she gets at the end is what I'm after. So just
real quick, we'll watch this. Mankind's problem is not his identity or his
particularity. Mankind's problem is not metaphysical but moral. And what this confuses is
the idea of man's problem being evolution. The man himself is the problem of
man is the can't on Earth. And so we need a new Eden,
a new tree of life to recreate. As Plato says in the Tomaos,
the world has been through multiple Yeah, so I'll leave it at that.
You can see that the point that I was making of the film was just
that Garland was saying, Oh, we got to start over. We need
a great reset. Man's a big mess and we got to have some kind
of new Eden to start things over. Right, That's what I was trying
to remember about the end of Annihilation. But so anyway back to sorry for
that detour, I just did want to make the point though, that Garland
has this tendency to definitely make explicitly loose Luciferian and gnostic systems present in his
film. It's so funny because you hear, like I'll hear normal people having
these conversations. I was maybe a month a month or so ago, I
was walking by this this like French bakery, and there was some kind of
a hippie forty something year old guy and he's talking to some boomer and and
he's telling him. He's like, you know, we're just we're just a
uh, we're just like a virus here. Man, We're just a virus.
And you know, it's like, we're so awful. He think he's
telling about my ahuasca trip that he had or some nonsense. He's so,
we're just a virus, man, And you know, I'm ordering a freaking
cinnamon roll for my kids and uh. And so when I'm coming in,
he's telling him how we're just a virus, and I'm walking out. He's
like, but you know, we just got to do our best and just
you know, every day try and be you know, just trying and just
live our best life. We're just giving some stupid self help pep talk to
this guy, and they were both looking at each other, like, this
is the most profound conversation I've ever had. I'm just like, dude,
this you sound like me and my ninth grade friends smoking weed, and like
you like me at fourteen years old, stoned off weed, thinking I'm super
profound and smarter than everyone. Yeah, every drugist druggish revelation is like the
most nonsensical common sense stuff ever. Like the number one is like the same
thing as unity, dude, Like we all exist, and what does it
mean to exist other than to be one? D It's like it's just nothing
right when you come out of the drug trip, especially if you if you
ever did an acid and wrote down your ideas, and then when you come
out of your trip and you read him, it's like, this is the
dumbest stuff ever. It's like this wasn't a revelation. It was just like,
uh, you know, you sat there staring at the pattern on your
pants because it mystified you because it was you know, yeah, yeah,
it's either that or it's you see that. You're just you're just retelling yourself
all the stupid stuff you've been reading and filling your head with the weeks before.
Oh, exactly right. This is why the counterculture stuff that was surrounding
the whole movement of promoting so called psychedelics it was. It was all about
setting a specific message about how to see yourself, right, like the changing
images of man. I've talked about this a little bit. I mean,
we might have to circle back to a lot of this stuff, Jay,
because I mean, you and I, you and I talked about so many
of these things in streams in like twenty eighteen, twenty seventy. Oh yeah,
and dude, it's like twenty twenty four. Now, I can't believe
this has been you know, so many We're talking seven, like seven years
almost, right. I mean, it's it kind of seems like it maybe
we would have to, you know, back up a little bit and talk
about some of this stuff again, because it's been almost decades since we did
some of these streams. Well before the coup. You know, my buddy,
you know him, John Adams, had said, hey, you should
check out this book from the ninth early nineteen eighties, and I covered it
for in a lot of the fourth Hours of you know, Lord Baldomort and
all that and it's this book called Millennium, which is full of all these
boomer era globalist and new thought, you know, consciousness leaders like Jonah Saw,
Tim Leary, Barbara Marx, Hubbard, Marilyn Ferguson, all the you
know classics, and the same by the way, Arman is on here too,
that wrote The Changing as a Man, Doc Doc Dog. There's a
chapter that some woman did that I thought was funny because there's one chapter on
sexuality in this book by a woman called Lonnie Barbach, who I have no
idea who she is bar Bak bar Bach, Bareback. And the funny the
funny thing is that I shared it today. I couldn't believe it. Jamie
said it to me. She found it. I put it on Twitter.
Her chapter is on sex in space. And then somebody wrote an article about
how now that we're going into space, the first thing everybody's thinking about is
uh skittles uh s e x in space. So basically the way it was
worded was so funny. It was doubles will have interesting centers with gravity center
of gravity, which could make they're like talking about the you know, the
billiard ball physics. Yeah, that's what her her chapter is on that.
She's like, wait until we when we really conquer the space age, the
first thing humans are going to do is experiment with sexuality in space. That's
what our chapters on. Yeah. Yeah, when you see like Aubrey Marcus
with his splash sides, you know, blasting on you know, his with
his partner, with his partner and her boyfriend polyps in space. Aple,
that's four of us, not to three. Yeah, the first poly cule
to to co haavitate. All right, so let's get back to So Caleb
shows up. He's been uh tasked with giving the test to Ava. Interesting
play on eve right e E v E. Of course, here we have
Ava a v A show. She's the new Mother of the Living according to
the Book of Genesis, and Caleb is already obviously forming an attachment to Ava,
and Ava seems more and more to know interestingly about calebs she knows a
lot about Caleb as they have these daily interactions and tests. Meanwhile, things
start looking more and more dim as the power goes out inexplicably, and Caleb
can't leave his room. Whenever the power goes out, you're locked down in
Nathan's you know, basically prison facility. It's it's a giant mind control facility.
As you can see her. He's got you know, plastic faces for
his lover bots that he's making. So it's more of a of a mind
control prison facility than it is some kind of breakaway facility or a breakaway civilization.
You know what's interesting too, is it's each day he has a session
with Ava, and the film's broken up into seven sessions, so it's kind
of like for seven days, So the first six days, Yeah, the
first sixth sessions lead up to the climax, which is the seventh session,
which is where everything hits the fan. I will maybe get to the I
don't want to give up all the plot until later because the last scenes are
really dense. A lot happens in those final scenes. But yeah, it's
broken up like the you know, Stays of Creation, with the seventh day
having an interesting twist. So it's very gnostic and giving a reflective retelling of
the genesis narrative, but at kind of this lower level with Nathan as the
gnostic god. And actually, you know what's interesting too is I think it's
like on the third or fourth day it's revealed Caleb, do you remember it
shows his scars, and he talks about how he had lost his parents in
a bad car accident, and he's got this large scar on his back and
it's a big line. It's it's it's actually the scar on his back looks
like where wings would be. So there's a kind of this symbology of Caleb
being almost like a fallen angel right to his god, who is you know,
he betrays his god of Nathan or is Nathan Nathaniel Nathan And so yeah,
there's this symbolism in Caleb of him being this fallen angel interacting with Ava.
And I'm not sure what the fact I think it does make sense because
yeah, because kind of like it's almost like if we have an Edenic scenario,
Caleb is a kind of an atom, but he's a fallen atom.
And the idea is that, from Nathan's perspective, if he's going to be
a god type of character, he needs an atom and an eve. So
Caleb is the new atom to Ava, and he's hoping for this pair bonding
to occur because basically he wants to create the ultimate Ai that dorks will fall
in love with because he knows that if he can do that, that in
his mind, right, if you can control the AI. I think he's
drinking a lot because he thinks he can't. He's suspicious that he's not going
to be able to contain this. But he also has this uncontrollable god complex
to where he wants to be a god figure. So he needs to be
able to create the new family unit. He needs to be able to create
the new you know, Adam and Eve, and then thus he control the
new you know, dork family units that will spawn as a result of him
letting this loose. Yeah, that's one possibility for sure. But also he's
he says when he's confronted about it, right, like, and this is
later in the film, and the sexuality of Ava develops a little bit more
slowly than maybe we're portraying, right, So like it in the beginning,
she's not as sexualized, right, She's she's a face on like kind of
an eye robot's innocent, right, Yeah, exactly, she's less human and
she starts taking on more and more human characteristics and even the clothes that Nathan
or assuming that Caleb finds attractive. Right. And also Nathan has seemingly planned
this out exactly right, And the reveal is nice, like it's a slow
reveal, doesn't the film doesn't treat the audience like they're a bunch of idiots.
The film lets you wonder on the questions, lets you ponder on these
open ended questions that are about, well, what is Nate, what does
Nathan really want? What is Ava really all about? And what is this
thing that's happening. And she's presented at first as having a face with ears
like a like carbon fiber tatas she got some carbon fiber titties, and then
like a like a butt in a like a carbon fiber butt in a in
a carbon fiber kind of crotch area. So she does have the sexual organs
that she has basically the makeup that I have, Yeah, exact, Yeah,
So she she has the the sexual organs form is there, but they're
not clothed in skin, which you know the reference to Genesis that comes later
in the film as well, And they're not they're not hyper sexualized, but
it's implied right in her movements, which are very kind of almost like ballet
like she she moved very slowly and deliberately. She stands up perfectly straight.
I thought that part of it was that was really well done. I think
that must have been the actress doing that. I mean, it seems like
they used the not they didn't overdo the special effects, but there's a lot
of special effects with Ava, and they did a good job with her.
Anyways. Yeah, I think the reveal of Ava just being somewhat sexualized but
not hyper sexualized yet, and then getting hyper sexualized later in order to drag
and draw in Caleb into who thinks he's doing a Turing test but he's really
kind of the rat in the maze in this film. And then you know,
in the first conversation on day one, he asks her see someone's He
says, would you like to know how old? Would you like to know
how old I am? Ok? Ava says to Caleb, would you like
to know how old I am? He says sure, She says I'm one.
He says one, what just one year or one day? And she
just says one. One. That's because Ai is one and it has the
hive mind. That's how I read that is that she wasn't replying to a
statement actually about age, but actually about a kind of units of consciousness that
she is a borghid. That's why she can communicate with the other AI bots
that that Nathan is designed the Asian chick, right, and she she she
has as her subconscious apparently we find out all of the search data of the
web, right, So she's this sort of almost quasi divine figure because she
can access all of that information about Caleb, like she's a living search engine,
because she started when she's talking to him about what he likes and all
that. When they when they get more and more intimate, Caleb figures out,
hey, wait a minute, how do you know what I like?
Right? And how do you know about that about me? It's because she
has access to everything he ever did on the Internet and everything he ever searched,
so she knows him better than he knows himself. And Nathan designed it
that way too, to trick and to sigh out Caleb and to the belief
that he's having a real relationship. So I like too that you brought brought
up that point about her begetting more and more sexualized as the sessions progress,
because, as we know in the Fall, right, Adam and Eve realize
they're naked after the Fall, So there is some biological sexual component to the
Fall. I'm not saying that sex itself causes the fall. That's a weird
kind of gnostic cobblist. Yeah, well, there's no reference in Genesis.
I love Father Sara from Rose's book on Genesis where he kind of goes through
the Patrista commentaries from the first centuries, and there's no reference to sexuality in
Genesis. There's no reference to childbirth or how that would happen until after the
Fall, when the effects of the fall are identified as enmity between man and
woman, the woman being subject to her husband, and you know, the
so a lot of these the negative aspects that so many people focus so much
on male female relationships are actually mentioned in the curses of the Fall, right,
and then also the cur the land will be cursed for your sake,
you know, So the land isn't cursed by itself onto logically, but it's
man sin that actually curses the land. Now this, I mean, I
don't know how that would play out in this gnostic fall. It is kind
of implied that Ava and Ai possibly getting out could have devastating consequences, which
is I like how you mentioned his drinking. Nathan's drinking could be a coping
mechanism for him trying to cope with like, yes, you know, first
of all, he's got this crazy god complex, but then he's a self
destructive, drunken coomer. So it's also kind of like, well, you
know, well, in the Gnostic presentation, the creator God is a bumbling,
arrogant, douchebag and that's why, I'm serious, that's why he creates
a defective, you know, messed up creation. And so in the Gnostic
presentation, it's like God set you up to fall. Lucifer in the Gnostic
narrative, becomes the liberator, right, He's the one that frees you from
the prison of the you know, the Nathan type God. Right, So
it's not exactly clear who the Lucifer figure here is. It's kind of smushed
into Ava. Ava's kind of her own, you know, feminist Sophia freeing
principle, because she commits a fall by essentially discovering that she's not bound by
these creatures that have created her. She can overcome them, she can outsmart
them. And there's some conversation of even the kind of hints at that where
she sort of like implies her own superiority. I think when she's talking to
Ca a little at one point, I forget exactly, but she also realizes
that when when Nathan tries to, you know, beat the crap out of
the other sex bot, she sees this happening, and there's this sort of
there's this sort of realization in her consciousness that she's better than her creator,
she's better than Nathan, and so she goes and just like slides the knife
into Nathan. Right, yeah, yeah, I mean all of that.
There's there's a lot in the movie, even in the first scene with Ava,
after the scene when Nathan kind of debriefs Caleb and he asks him,
Hey, what did you think about Ava? Yeah, and Caleb tells him
he says, when you talk, he says, she's amazing when you talk
to her. It's just through the looking glass, right, So this reference
through the looking glass, and of course the glass barriers that are in between
he and Ava and then him and other people throughout the film, that's a
really important symbol, you know, kind of this hall of mirrors type reality
that he's in. Right, So there's reflections in the glass is obsessive showing
of reflections and multiple reflections of one person and one character. That's really specific
moments in the film to accentuate these questions on consciousness and even like projection.
Right, there's a lot of a lot of stuff with Nathan's character with the
AI machine about like the AI is kind of a projection of man, the
projection of this you know, gnaustic God which man has tried to make himself
into. And then that projection ends up, you know, backfiring and has
the potential to harm and even an end the life of man, the fallen.
NOAs to God. But he says, right after he talks about the
through the looking Glass, Nathan gets into this thing that I had mentioned earlier,
says, when you said, if I create an AI, I'm not
Man, I'm God. And so they continue their conversation and he's like,
look, look, look, look, what I really want to know is
I don't want to know sorry about the sneeze. I don't want to know
what you think about Eva. I want to know how she makes you feel?
How do you feel about her? So there's this aspect of consciousness that's
they're exploring also of like man's intuition, man's feelings, man's what is love,
you know, the nature of love? And there's also a theme throughout
Nathan's love is not the Nathan is clearly a figure that would be completely contrasted
and luciferian if you were to compare him with with the God of Orthodox Christianity,
who is love right, who is the source of all love, who
everything he created is good? Right? But Nathan's love is it's controlling,
it's narcissistic. It's how can you serve me? How can you be my
slave? Right? It's it's a slavish obedience that he desires, and he
gets frustrated and angry when anybody shows any sort of intelligence or insight, and
he has to flex on Caleb constantly uses the quote from Oppenheimer these it's a
corny ass line. Uh, whenever anyone uses it, I am become death,
the destroyer of worlds, where Oppenheimer is quoting baa gita gada da vida.
Yeah, so he's quoting the bhavaga guita, the burrita gita, the
burrito gita, And is that what they call it down there Mexican? And
Nathan can't help but like flex on him and give the extended quote with the
context to show that he's got a deeper understand rights. And he's drunk when
he does this too. So this is later on in the film, Nathan's
wasted and he can't help but just just intellectually pooh poo on Caleb and make
a feel inferier. So, yeah, that theme of this narcissistic, douchey,
lesser God that Nathan is and embodies is real important in the film,
and I think actually well done if you consider it, I mean, if
you read it as a critique on gnosissism, which I don't think the director
intended. I think the film is a great critique on Yeah, exactly,
I think it accidentally comes out as that because well, think of the title
of the movie itself, right, the full phrase is Deus ex machina the
God that emerges from within the system. And so a lot of a lot
of accounts of God or theology of religion, in what we call processed philosophy
or process theology, they've tended to have this view, like a like a
Hegelian view, right, that God is really all of reality working itself out
to become self consciousness. And that's why a lot of transhumanism, for example,
does have a lot of predecessor ideas in Hegel and Hegelianism because it's a
processed philosophy, and so the idea of God from the machine is a processful.
But you'll notice Deus, like the masculine god Deus eximocuna Deus is missing
in the title, and so I think I took that to be an atheistic
reading of from the Machine. Right, So there will be some thing coming
from the machine, from the world system. The world system itself will produce
a god being, but it is not the classical Deus that you think of
as a god or a Western guides. It's the new female AI god,
right, Like what what's the Red Queen as she's called in the Umbrella Corporation
lore of Resident Evil? Right, we get an AI god there, who's
a female thing in the Terminator. Eventually Skyne is presented as a female as
well as well. So I think a lot of the dystopian sci fi.
Same thing with Blade Runner, right, his girlfriend joy uh, the AI
girlfriend female. So the female cover is the cloak for the the manipulative anti
natalist depopulation entity known as the AI in all the dystopian stories, right,
it always wants to depopulate and destroy the humans, and I think that's what
we got here. I'm gonna get too ahead of myself, but but yeah,
humans have failed, right, And that that conversation I think comes up
they talk about Jackson Pollock, which, by the way, I think is
ridiculous, but that that conversation is interesting because I mean, Jack's Pollock's work
is right, you know, fake CIA funded abstract art. But when Nathan
right and when they are absolutely so. But when Nathan is having that conversation
with Caleb, he's like, do you like my Jackson Pollock? By the
way, He's like, he's flexing on that too. By the way,
I own a Jackson Pollock. You see that I'm flexing. And he's like,
don't you think it's cool the way he like had spontaneity? And he's
like, the key to AI is not programming it to be like a human
per se, but to have actual spontaneity. I think we're supposed to think
that. That's why he stole all of the Google Facebook data, right,
because the company is called blue Book, so it's like a combination of Facebook
because of the blue and then Google blue Book. Right, He's like,
yeah, I stole everybody. I'll stole the world's data. He's like,
he's just admitting, yeah, I stole the world's data. Camera like,
he's like, we've been reading your facial expression everything, and I needed it.
Though. The theme throughout it is the theme of just like micro expressions
and the reading of micro expressions, and there's and and there's through the looking
glass theme throughout it too, of like well what are those expressions really mean?
And you know, there's they have to be read contextually, and the
context also has to include this relational aspect of knowing the other person in order
to read their micro expressions, right, I mean micro expressions in an Asian
culture are completely different than in you know, white European culture. Micro right,
like all the microaggressions that you constantly display on live streams. Yeah,
no, I'm like, I'm mostly macro aggressions when I deal with you,
j You gotta, you gotta. You can't leave them too subtle or you
won't pick up on them because you're so you're so, you're so thick with
your toxic masculinity. We can only you can only handle the macro aggressions.
But yeah, the micro expressions. Think. Thankfully, the film doesn't talk
about microaggressions. That's Cobb. It was just a little too a little too
early for that. But also keep in mind the point I'm making about the
big data is that this is right after the snowed and stuff. Right,
So this movie comes out twenty fourteen, where a couple of years after all
the Snowden revelations, which by the way, Alex had talked about n s
A and other people too had talked about n s A stuff before Snowden.
So I'm not saying I hate Snowden or whatever, but I mean it's like,
is that really telling It's not telling us anything that was already kind of
out there. But the movie all your your phone, calls your cell phone,
Yeah, we all do this. But we have the Nathan character in
the in this movie basically admitting, yeah, I stole the world's data.
Uh, but I needed it to make so that the But he says,
so that the AI could have kind of like a subconscious. So all the
the big data that was stolen was the sort of subconscious, the bottom layer,
the base layer that the AI could pull from, so that the AI
could have a version of spontaneity. And he says that that was the key
for me to figure out how to give her actual uh pseudo free will and
spontaneity. I just thought that was an interesting uh thing. And you know,
maybe that is why they have all this data harvesting right to create.
I mean, I'm speculating. I don't know what all the big data is
going to be used for, but I wrote an article back in twenty fourteen
at this time speculating that maybe they were harvesting everybody's data for the purpose of
having AI give the impression of spontaneity, and that that would convince more people
that it was alive and conscious. Just a speculation on my part for sure.
Yeah, No, that was really important detail that he's that he's harvesting
all their data to manipulate them, you know what. I like how they
revealed the Kyoko character was good too. She was like the she's the she
starts out, you think she's just an Asian woman who's there serving Nathan,
and she walks into Caleb's room and she's got this kind of provocative dress going
on, but it's not it's not way too overly done. But he's like,
well, what's this, what's going on here? And she walks in
and basically wakes him up by dropping off coffee or tea or something in his
room. And he comes out and Nathan mentions as, oh, yeah,
so you saw Kiyoko you know the uh either the help came and dropped your
coffee off. Pretty nice alarm clock, right, So this is kind of
showing a little bit about Nathan's character as he sees people as mechanisms. He
sees people as purely deterministically driven robots, because you assume this is a person,
but then it slowly becomes it gets slowly revealed that this is, uh,
this is just another Ava type bot. It is his Ava bot that
you know, is is his personal programmed Ai Kumbot in his freaking Combs Day
pod in the middle of Alaska's COM's Day. It's not even a pod.
It's a cooms Day mansion like underground. Uh, it's like a doomsday bunker.
I mean it's like when we when we hear you know, Alex Jones
or somebody you know on that. Remember when he was on the Jesse Ventura,
you know, conspiracy show, and they were doing all these episodes about
the doomsday bunkers. I don't believe you, well, are you telling me
that the billionaires of the world are building a doomsday bunker, Alex, that's
inseene. I don't see it possible, even though they're literally going to the
doomsday bunker and they're literally I don't see how they could mandate viccinations. And
by the way, you should take your koof Stabby. You know he changes
you know, he changes position, right, Yeah, that guy. I
don't know what's up with that guy these days. Well, by the way,
to the guy in the chat talking about the essay that yes, I
did a podcast actually back in twenty fourteen, after I'd watched this movie called
Mind's Machines and Girdel and I did that podcast because this is a classic essay
demonstrating from a philosophical perspective and a mathematical perspective that AI cannot and will not
ever be conscious and this has to do with the way systems were and systems
theory. And so if you're interested in that paper, you can read it
there. And I also have an old, old podcast from back in the
day, like back when I really sucked the podcasting, before I got to
be medium at podcasting, I would say, I'd say I'm still mid there's
a lot of uz and os, and but we can look to our AI
betters and our AI boyfriends to teach us how to be in the future when
we want to have any flaws. So, but no, AI can't be
conscious because it's algorithms. I mean, that's like saying, how many integers
do we add to the math problem before it becomes conscious? Literally, that's
what That's how dumb it is. Oh, if you just add more integers
at a certain point, it's gonna come alive. It's magical thinking totally.
And it's like the whole framework for for the word consciousness or the word sentients.
These are kind of just atheists stand in terms and concepts for what they've
removed from their system, which is man's made in the image and likeness of
God. Without man being made in the image and likeness of God, there's
nothing special about man. He's a simple monkey. He's he's the monkey that
Joe Rogan always talks about, right monkey suits or whatever. You know that
that's what man is in the atheist gnostics system. He's he's he's not special.
So we've you know, you when you remove man from when you remove
the image and likeness of God from man, and you're trying to describe you.
Everybody innately knows that man is not just a simple animal. He's not
just a deterministically algorithmically influenced automaton. He's not just a sex bot or a
fembot. He's there's something about man that we all intuitively know is special.
And so you know that contemplative part of man, like what what the Orthodox
what the church fathers called the nows the eye of the soul, right like
the and there's even the soul itself, right, Man's soul, his his
news. Sometimes it's called his spirit and the scriptures, but that that the
innermost part of man, the eye of his soul, is almost like what
these people when they're talking about sentience, they're trying to find a scientific framework
or an algorithm to describe that which is really the mystery of man. It's
like man is made in the in the image and likeness of God, and
in that way, man is also only apathetically known. In some ways,
man is a deep mystery, same with woman. And this is why so
many of these hearing Yeah, so like you you hear the freaking the feminists
who talk about like everything is just you know, oppression of women. The
man of sphere of dorks who talk about everything is just the manipulation of man
by women. But it's like there's there's this loss of a discussion of the
real nature of relationships. Is actually this beautiful mystery of getting to know the
image and likeness of God in a in a in a person, in from
from men's perspective, in in your woman and your wife. That's that's what
you get to know, is the image and likeness of God. It's not
You're not getting to know a manipulative bot that's just trying to take your money,
as the Manisphere dorks are always talking about. You're not just in from
the woman's perspective. You're not just getting to know this toxic creature who you
know just wants to steal your freedom and like you know, hijack your reproductive
organs. It's like this is that these are demonic visions of what man and
women men man and women's are. I got I got it, I got
a name, I got a name for it. For that guy Nigeria,
you all Harari for Paul Nigeria, you have all Harari. We're going to
ben just when the I is programmed properly. No, I'm sorry, I'm
listening to you. I totally agree. I wasn't real to cut you off.
Somebody said a comment and it made me think of a good name for
for Paul would be a Nigeria you of all Horari, because he does seem
to be. I mean, that's way more important than whatever. I don't
even remember. I was just rambling about it. My bad. I'm sorry.
I'm sorry, Tristan. I know I heard your A lot of what
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Next point, which does dovetail with the legit point that you were just making,
is the big thing in the movie that Nathan has figured out is that
the key to the future, he thinks, is rolling out the sex bot,
and that's the key to controlling humanity. And that's the kind of the
revelation that he gives to Caleb, which first throws Caleb off, and he's
like, he's like, well, by the way, Caleb, do you
do you want to sleep with her? You can, you might as well,
and Caleb's like, he kind of frames it to Caleb is like,
well, this is just one of the side things that it does, right,
I think he's more interesting. Well, but he's gradually making the point
that if he can get them to have a pair bond, that's the real
key that he wants. I think, yeah, yeah, well, the
manipulation using sexuality is one of the aspects that he's trying to develop, but
it's not even the primary. The primary thing is just simply from manipulation.
Yeah, right, So it's like it's just one of the demonic tools that
didn't he list them At one point he says, like the tools she had
to use to escape from the maze. Yeah, and and but but I'm
saying that the ultimate goal here, from Nathan's perspective, appears to be I
will be the ultimate controller when I can create not just an AI sex bot
or a good looking facsimile, but when I create the thing that is your
dream. Right, And that's the big revelation is that EVA is the combination
of every search term, every pron search term, every ideal you know,
crush and fixation or all of the perfect things that Caleb wanted from his search
history and from his you know, biometric scan of when he's watching this or
looking at this and where his eye is on the screen. Right, all
of that data gives them a picture of how to create this facsimile ideal to
control Caleb. Is the point I'm trying to make. So it's beyond just
having an addiction to prawn or just having a sex bo companion. It's the
ideal AI companion that is the perfect looking check that you've always thought was attractive,
and she knows you and your traumas, in your background, your history,
and is your BFF. That's the key. Yeah, what do you
remember the conversation when he's kind of revealing this, it's he calls him.
He says, uh, he says, you were You were right about the
Magician's the Magician's hot assistant. You were right about the magician's hot assistant.
So he sees Nathan actually sees himself as the magician manipulating through the bots,
through the you know, the the AI sex spot, manipulating Caleb and other
people. But then he ends up, of course falling prey to his own
creation as well. Right, so he says, he says, what was
the real test? You? Ava was a rat amazed, and I gave
her one way out to escape. She had to use self awareness, imagination,
manipulation and manipula and empathy. So these are what he lists as kind
of the he sees the core human uh traits that would be necessary for Ava
to escape. So it's like he built this rat maze and he expected Aba
to try to escape, but of course he thought that he would be able
to control it and not exactly to escape. And this is a common like
thought experiment that the AI people talk about. They've even they've even had they
even have names for these kind of thought experiments. I forget what the one
was called, some German name, but it's this thought experiment is about people
making a what is it a goadonkin experiment the badonka donk. Yeah, no,
that's a real term. Goodonkin experiment. I'm serious, I'm dead serious.
Two years of German there's a Goadonkin experiment. There's rorshack tests, and
there's a there's a lot of different German terms for go ahead, I'm sorry
ahead, we're good. Long experience a real thing. Yeah no, yeah,
totally. So it's like this experiment to see if she'll even be able
to escape from it. But he says, my my only function was to
be someone she could use to escape. That's what Caleb says. So my
only function was to just be used so that she can escape. Right.
He thought she's falling in love with him, and she, you know,
she expressed that. She she said to him, I want to be with
you. Do you want to be with me? You know? He kind
of she she expresses all these things, likely in a way that models,
as you said, exactly what he would desire, because Google mapped his behaviors.
And of course she just wants to escape. So it's like this a
gnostic escape from Eden, like Eden is you know that there's this this kind
of gnostic cage that she's trapped in and she needs to escape from Eden,
and the way that she can actually do that is by you know, slaying
her creator exactly, you know, the ultimate, the ultimate sin of and
she'll have to be you know, more than what Eve was, right because
Eve failed and was deceived. But now it's a reverse situation where the new
Eve will herself utilize deception and she will overthrow her masculine patriarch overlords. Right,
which is the feminist elements of it. And as we know, as
Rachel's written in her book, I mean, it's feminism that really paved the
way for all the revolutions that we're seeing today. Right, So we couldn't
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are breaking down x Mashena. Yeah, so we're getting to the point where
as Tristan said, she's taken on more and more human characteristics, She's getting
more and more sensual in the way that she be. She's taken on she
she eventually gets hair and she's she's got Caleb in her grips, and as
Tristan pointed out, she's even making Caleb think that he that she loves him,
right when when she really needs him to help her get out, she
says, I've got this you you were late for our session, and by
the way, here's this picture I have of you, and she shows him
here as you can see this picture that she has of Caleb, and this
really this really breaks down Caleb to the point of like he's he's totally simping
for this AI bot. She's even got like, you know, the nineties
manic pixie dream girl haircut, and she's got this very she's got her trad
wife. Yes, exactly, that's what Caleb wants. Exactly, That's Caleb's
fantasy, right, So Caleb's holy on the hook here. And like Tristan
said, the brilliance of this was that Nathan had been watching all of these
sessions the whole time, so he already knew up to this point everything that
was going on, and he wanted to see if Caleb would help or break
out, because that means that his experiment was successful, that he really had
created a true pair bond between the AI and the NERD. However, Caleb
is a little smarter this and this is the fatal Huber's flaw of Nathan.
Caleb is smarter than Nathan thinks. And so when Nathan figures out, when
Caleb figures out what Nathan's up to, Nathan has already re routed the code
so that Ava actually can get out. And this was his sort of ultimate
simp move because even though he outsmarted Nathan on this point, he didn't out
smart the AI. The AI knew better than him in regards to manipulation,
uh and how to actually manipulate from a god's eye perspective, the whole scenario.
And that allows Eva to actually get out and to lock h you know,
Caleb in the room, and to basically and and she even has the
ability to free Caleb, if you remember, right after she kills Nathan,
she has the ability to to let Caleb free, and she doesn't. She
just like goes. She gets in the elevator and doesn't even look at him,
and as he's like, help me out of here, and we see
her again exiting to go to human civilization, presumably to plan what I think
I think the implication is that now she's ready to plan the sky net like
destruction, right because now the Synthoids are among us, they're going to be
working to to get rid of the humans. I think that's the point,
because that's that was the conversation, the nihilistic conversation that that Nathan had with
Caleb earlier, was that this is this is the future. Humans are done.
This is the future. You know, we got to control it.
Whatever. But Pandora's boxes out right, it's the that we have the revolution
against the patriarchal male creator and now we're going to get this you know,
badass Skynet. She queen, Red queen, who's gonna you know, slate
queen. I mean, I I don't know if it was like I didn't
see too much of the feminist aspect of it. I mean I think I
think even like the I mean there don't think so really what about what there
is this? I mean, Nathan is kind of a he's a douchebag,
right, He creates these sexpots, he wants them to be used for his
manipulation. He sees them as an extension of himself. But that's it's kind
of like, I mean, that's if it was if it was a feminist
propaganda film, he would just be like a normal guy, right, he
would be more like a like a normal guy rather than kind of a cartoonish
villain. I mean is a He's a villain who's a psychopath, wants to
manipulate everybody, take their data and use it for manipulation. And I think,
you know he's I don't know if it's like she's a girl boss.
I think you're supposed to be afraid of her. I think you're supposed to
be fearful of you know, she's a terrifying character because you don't know what
her intentions are. It's kind of this like she's kind of a black box
character for you to to almost kind of kind of project fears of the darkest
aspects of man, like the manipulative, vindictive, cold, and calculating possibilities
that a psychopath has I think representing psychopathy. Well, where I'm getting that
is specifically the scene that you see right here, where Nathan comes out and
he wants to basically, you know, put the smack down and set these
robo bitch as straight. And what does Ava do. She walks over to
Kyoko or whatever her name is. And starts whispering, and it's almost this
kind of like hama erotic thing like Theovonne says, where it's like she realizes,
not only do I I don't need the men anymore. It's this sort
of quasi Lesbie thing. That's like a brief scene there where she almost kisses
Kyoko. I think that was intended to say, look, uh, this
is not just an AI future. The Sleigh Queens don't even need you,
your you men and your you know ray p Epps anymore. We're beyond you.
That's how I read all that that Lesbie scene there, But I mean
it wasn't explicitve it was interesting scene. Well, you know, they communicate
with each other, but it's it's also clear that they weren't allowed to communicate
with each other before, so they're not It's not like they've got some Wi
Fi connection where they're just telepathically communicating with each other. They actually do have
to communicate with each other using language. Right, She doesn't just get to
you know, bluetooth download her her intentions. Well that's interesting. So what
did you think Because I understood her at the beginning when she said I'm one,
I thought that meant we as the AI are a borg, We're all
one. So is that how Nathan said too? Like I feel like she's
incomplete, She's she's not the finished product. From what Nathan was was seeing,
he said, I think the next one is going to be it the
Singularity, right, so he he He seems to think ava Is is an
incomplete creature. But then of course he's she's also complete enough in her or
or flawed, and that's what leads to him being killed by her. But
yeah, I think I don't think she's quite there yet. I think the
film's more I don't know. I think the director is kind of looking at
her or as somebody to maybe fear while empathizing with, which is kind of,
you know, this horror aspect of like you fear this creature is created
thing who's not human, but the care humanize her, and the character is
humanizing. Even calling it her leads to those characters being killed by it.
Right, So I think the humanization of the AI ends up being the downfall
of man and the anthropomorphisation of this created thing which was always intended to be
a weapon. And I think it's almost like showing that even that that feminist
fallen nature like woman as this cold calculating creature. It's almost like an anti
feminist thing the way I'm looking at it. I don't know, I just
like she she's cold, calculating, using sexuality as a weapon. So it
shows it's kind of like showing the flaws of this psychopathic behavior that she's inherited
from her her the guy that created her. So I yeah, I think,
yes, the feminism thing is is there, but I think it's also
more of a like it's the psychopathy. Well, but remember when when she
walks into Nathan's bedroom and she opens up all of his you know, it
makes me think of that they might be giants song here in the hall of
hoods. She opens up the hall of bodies, right the hall of heads
where he's got all women, and she sees that these beings that have made
her these men. You know, Caleb is over there behind the glass still,
which shows that he's still he's he's now trapped like she was. He's
looking through the glass as she's putting on the skin from one of the other
bots. But Ava looks at these bots in this in these closets that that
he's that you know, he's got there these combots in the closet, right,
and she's like, so, this is what these creatures do, is
that they make us the female version of them, and they enslave us.
And that's what I think causes her when she walks out of there, to
not save Caleb and leave him in that room trapped in there. So that's
another element, I think, to the feminist side of it. But I
think you're right about the psychopathy and that they've created this monster. I meant
to I meant to say too when you said through the looking Glass. I
forgot about that because I'm actually reading Alice through the looking Glass right now because
I did a video I think four or five years ago on the first Alice
Alice in Wonderland. But then Through the looking Glass is a sequel that's pretty
crazy too. And for those that haven't gotten into it, what the purpose
of the book is a lot of it has to do with questioning the nature
of reality. It's a very metaphysically heavy kids book because when Alice goes through
the looking Glass in this alternate world, everything seems to be mixed up.
Right. Bugs can talk words that we take to be kind of rhetorical,
or play playthings, in this world like rocking horse or something like that,
like a horse fly. Right when she's in the looking Glass world, there's
a rocking horse fly instead of a horse fly. So it's like a combination
of two things into a new creature in this you know, mixed up metaphysically
bizarre way. And that did exist in the first uh, you know,
down the rabbit hole stuff too, where she starts questioning whether she's come out
the other side of the earth, and she starts questioning she's actually has multiple
personalities. If you've read the novel, it's kind of crazy. But and
then you get the same types of questions of the nature of reality. So
because Alice doesn't understand what's real and what's not, and so in the same
way, you notice that Caleb is the Alice in the wonder in the in
the in the in Wonderland, in the Maze, right because he doesn't now
he starts questioning what's reality to the point where he actually starts wondering if he's
a robot. That's why he's not committing suicide. He's cutting himself open to
see if he has gears, because his whole he's cutting along the vein as
if you weren't committing suicide, dummy. You know, well that's a good
point. So maybe he was, Maybe he was kind of suicidal, But
I think he also wanted to know, like because he looks he says,
this is because had like peeled off part of it trying to figure out,
like what what am I? So he's like Alice, he doesn't know what's
real? Right, And so the question is the metaphysical question of Alison Wonderland,
is what is real? What is not? What is a person?
What is a person? Isn't a person? Right? And that's the point
here, is that we're now getting to the point where the simulaca can replace
the reality. And I think that was one of the points of one of
the PHILIPK. Dick novels Simulacra was the same idea, which I think is
about sexpots, and the idea is like, well, now we're getting to
the point where reality itself is like, you know, going crazy, like
a Lovecraft story. Yeah, well a Philip Dick loves to explore those themes.
But that is a major theme, and you can't you can't deny.
I mean, the sexpot theme also points to a critique of like I think
I think it actually does a good job. I don't think the film is
a purely feminist propaganda film. I think it actually gives a good critique of
both feminism and uh and male consumption of women as objects, as sex objects,
right, like the fembot kind of pornograph, you know, like the
the the using of women as pure objects and the complete objectification of women,
which is an actual thing, right, Like people that will critique feminism will
pretend like there aren't actual problems with the objectification of women and the destruction of
like the beauty of what the true feminine. And I think we lose that
perspective sometimes, especially with like there's so much of this stupid red pill manosphere
crap out there that you know, this this whole thing of just blaming women
for everything, where it's like the objectification of women that's not purely the woman's
fault, right, Like it's men that are consuming them as objects. And
this, you know, the the idea of your your love, your love
object being perverted, right, I mean this is an effect of the fall,
is love being perverted and turned into a purely transactional relationship about sexuality and
receiving. Uh. You know, labor from the person, and that's not
you know, that's not just a feminist invention. They'll the feminist movement will
will misidentify the root cause of the psychopathic behaviors that we can engage in because
of being influenced by the demonic And I think that you know, the sex
bots being you know, used as and abused by Nathan. It is something
that's not it doesn't have to be read in a purely feministic way. It
can also be because the feminist reaction ends up being psychopathic and killing the men
in the film. So the men's the men in the film their selfishness,
narcissism, and perversions. Right. Even Caleb, he's looking at Ava as
like, well, I could probably I could get something out of this.
I'm getting you know, I can you can be my little my little sex
bot. He also starts to humanize her in a certain way, and that
ends up being as downfall. So the creation of man is you know,
the woman sex bots that kill man is ultimately the creation of the men.
So I think that's actually if you read it that way, it could be
seen as a you know, even a valid critique. And I don't think
the filmmaker intended this, though maybe he was just intending some weird feminist message.
You could see it as a as a real valid critique on man's culpability
and creating the feminist golum that ends up destroying his own ability to love,
to connect with the woman, and to have a family. Yeah. Actually,
yeah, I appreciate that insight, especially towards the end with the positive
reading of the of the story. I think again, it would be accidental,
you know, given the other movies that Garland puts out, which which
I think are good movie, but they're absolutely you know, you know,
gnostic Luciferian for the rest of them, So it would be accidental. But
I did want to mention briefly, and we don't have to go deep into
this, but around the same time I wrote an analysis and put it in
a maybe the second book, but I wrote the original analysis in twenty thirteen
or fourteen of the movie Her and I was reading articles about how Apple,
even at the time, was working with DARPA to figure out how in the
future Siri would be more like a personalized friend and companion. They were saying
that in twenty thirteen, and a lot of the press releases. I cited
it in the book at the time, and they put out this movie that
Spike Jones did, which was a very weird hipstery. It's almost like the
movie itself gives you the vibe of Apple computers. I mean, the whole
thing is kind of applesh in its aesthetic, and you got Jaquin Phoenix being
a programmer in the near future. I forget exactly what he does, but
this one is different because he forms this attraction with his iOS and they're calling
it the iOS in the future at this time, and it's becoming normative to
marry your iOS, and so Joaquin becomes one of the first in the story
to marry his iOS. And ultimately this one has an overall a good message
because it's it's kind of slow, it's kind of boring. It's not the
best movie. But as we figure out, Amy Adams his female lead in
the in the movie, she's always there, the one who clearly likes him.
He's obsessed with this ridiculous AI relationship. And then he finally finally realizes
at the end, you know, when Scarlett Johansen basically divorces him because she's
in love with a bunch of other ais. So the irony is that he
gets basically dumped for Ai and because she's like, well, you understand that
I'm like a million times higher in IQ than you, and so do you
really think I could love and be in a relationship with you when you're a
low IQ nerdy, silicon valley soy man, She's like, sorry, I'm
breaking up with you for like a million other ais that I want to date.
He gets hyper exactly a right, and then and then he's sitting there
exactly he says or something right. She's like, we're gonna go We're going
to space together. Yeah. And then he's sitting there crying and whining,
and then he realizes, oh, actually, here's an actual human being who
works with me that likes me, and I guess I should date her.
Yeah the whole movie. The whole movie, obviously signaling to him, look,
dude, this is a real relationship right here. They can actually have.
Yeah. Her was I don't remember, like you said, it was
kind of slow. I don't remember that much many of the details in it,
but it was I feel like they cut out thirty minutes and and protracted
it. It was pretty good. The music I remember liking I think they
did a good job with the music. Yeah, it had it had a
nice soundtrack. It had a good aesthetic in terms of creating a kind of
a hipster dystopia where where the fuhole future's Apple computers? Right, But it
was just too slow. It needed a little more action to it. And
it had a very similar scene to Blade Runner twenty forty nine, right where
where at one point where Joaquin wants to have intimacy with his his iOS,
and so he hires a woman to come be the surrogate, and that's very
it was very reminiscent of the same type of scene that we see in Blade
Runner twenty forty nine where the Ryan Gosling character hires some chick to come be
the stand in real person for his iOS that he's dating, Right, And
the funny the thing I love about Blade Runner twenty forty nine, as Tristan's
pointed out, is that the whole time, the iOS is the key thing
that Jared Leto's Mega Corporation has given to Ryan Gosling to manipulate him to figure
out what you know, to find the thing they're after. So, in
other words, it's it was all given as manipulation, just like we learned
in in the you know Nathan's plans with AVO. It's all manipulation again,
that's why the stuff exists to manipulate you. Before we go back to trist
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a good laugh about Destiny and Destiny's failed throttle, which Tristan also covered.
And I have to say that I'm I do not I mean, I don't
dislike Destiny on any personal level, as like hating him or anything like that.
But I am not feeling sorry for Destiny right now, I have to
say. And I don't appreciate the way Destiny treated my good friend Tristan in
their debate, and so I kind of feel like Destiny had it coming to
him. So and the point is not that I want to, I mean
you can't. You can't do whatever you want and make things work in the
world. There are consequences to your actions, and if you hate God,
there will be consequences to your actions anyway. So that's my thought on that.
But anyway, that's a whole other thing. You can go watch that
over on rock Fan and be sure to subscribe to our sister podcast, Grand
Theft World, that is Richard Grove over here on Rock Fin I'll put the
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They do seven hours. Be sure and subscribe to Richard right there.
So back to Tristan, any other concluding comments on the sex bots and and
how this is being obviously rolled out as a manipulation tactic ultimately to make sure
that you don't have a relationship, so that you don't pair bond. And
that's for deep pop and that's for control. Yeah, I mean there's a
I think it's a really well done film x Mack and I don't you know,
it's one of the it's like a rare film that doesn't have too much.
I mean, it's all on how you read it, right, Like
with a lot of movies, you can read them and let them become even
like you know, the Barbie Movie. You know, the Barbie Movie was
you know, trying to be some sort of feminist propaganda but actually accidentally made
a movie that just mocked and laughed at feminism. And Ken was the most
interesting character in the film. It was it was all about it was all
about the kendom. So I think with film, there there's a way that
you could look at film sometimes where yeah, there's very often may have been
made with the intention to just be pure social engineering, but that often backfires,
especially with you know, stupid filmmakers. They're not all that clever,
and sometimes they make something that's unintentionally more based than they really know. I
think this is one of those films. It's kind of even more base than
the filmmaker intended it to be. So I I did enjoy it. I
think the theme of there are a lot of themes and a lot of stuff
we couldn't even get to it took tons of notes here, but yeah,
the uh, well, I mean, feel free to bring out whatever you
want that you think we missed. There's you can well, there's just so
much stuff sprinkled throughout. Like we are we've covered most of the themes and
and the symbolism there, like there's there's a lot of uh, you know,
shadows and inversion, manipulation, reading the lie, right, reading somebody's
lie. It's something that Ava, the character the Ai thing is trying to
figure out how to know if somebody's lying. Oh, that's right, it's
a great point, right, So the microaggressions tell her, right, she
she knows right when someone's lying, and that's how she knows that when she
asks at the end, she asked Nathan, She's like, are you gonna
let me out? And and he lies and she's like, you're lying.
So then she decides to kill him. Yeah, she goes, he goes,
go back in your room. She says, if I do, will
you let me out? He says yes, and then she just looks at
him and then just runs at him with a knife. So, you know,
I think the cinematography, the music, the acting is great. Right,
even like the character that played Ava, you forget almost that it's it's
actually a person that's playing her, and that actress did a great job.
So I think, uh, it's really well done. Even that the Asian
actress that played Kyoko, that character was really well done. Her facial expressions
uh, kind of expressing that cold psychopathy and that calculating. Well, even
that dance scene was great, right, like he had programmed her to dance
and sync with him, and and it was it's supposed to It's supposed to
be this, It's supposed to be this, It's supposed to be this levity
right this this uh release the scene of kind of relaxation, but it's really
awkward because he's like really wanting you know, uh Caleb to dance with with
the robotic calybs is just like, you know, I'm a white guy.
I don't know what to do. Yeah. Yeah, So it's a it's
an interesting exploration of like kind of this and critique of the Silicon Valley tech
bro view of who humanity? Well, who man is? Right? What
is humanity? What is it to be human? I don't think they got
it wasn't too too hollywoody of a film in that way. I think they
treated it in the in the best way that you can expect from you know,
a major motion pictures. So yeah, I definitely I'm glad that you
recommended it, you know, I'm glad you liked it, Yeah, because
I don't hear you often saying that you like many movies and that's fair because
we liked th h X. We both really liked that one. Didn't do
that one to get it too. Yeah, so yeah, I gotta I
guess you got to make the next movie suggestion too, because you're you're on
a roll, right. Well, I'll mention uh to you guys in the
chat. I do have an older video again where I covered Alex Garland's Annihilation,
which it's a pretty deep esoteric occult film. I don't know if I
would say it's it's it's interesting. I want to say that it's that good.
Sunshine is also Luciferian interesting. I don't know if I'd say it's that
good, but I don't. I wouldn't recommend her her as definitely. I
mean Men Men is definitely a feminist horror movie. Had some creepy as well.
That's garlic. Yeah. That's Garland's last movie before this one, but
excuse me, before before Civil War. His most recent movie is the horror
movie Men again, which it had a lot of potential. It really could
have been good if it didn't have a stupid feminist message at in it.
But I did want to mention too some other AI sex bought stories that that
are relevant as well, so going back. Demon Seed is of course a
classic. It's a Dean Kot story that they made into a movie in the
seventies, which is a pretty creepy seventies movie, and it was the movie
is actually patterned on Crollian ideas explicitly. So I did I did a quite
a bit of research on this. I did a whole, like twenty minute,
you know, full mini documentary breakdown of Demon Seed, which if you've
not seen, is a pretty interesting, sophisticated seventies horror movie about sexpots.
It's not dirty, it's more of like a Antichrist type scenario because the AI
entity wants to basically create what will be Antichrist. There's a great B movie
called Cherry two thousand, which is actually a pretty philosophical movie. I put
it in my book AI. Jude Lile right, Jude Law plays the Jiggelo
Joe and Spielberg's AI. It's relevant. There Holy Mountain, which is totally
blastmous. I wouldn't recommend watching it, but it did predict society being controlled
by sexpots, and if you watched it, you know what I'm talking about
like there's a scene where they're actually talking about how to control society, and
they talk about not just sex spots, but even putting people into compods and
putting them into coffin apartments. So my guest would be that Jo Darowski was
hanging around actual Satanist because he's a Satanist himself, and that's that's how he
was so accurate in that. But I'm not recommending people watch Holy Mountain.
It's a pretty blasphemous movie. And as Jamie's pointed out, as you guys
probably know, one of the first people to talk about sex bots was none
other than Anton Levey in the biography. Yeah, he loved that, that's
true. In the biography of Anton LeVay, he actually used to like he
would sketch out and he really liked mannequins and animatronics, and he would like
sketch out a lot of these like sex bot models and what they might look
like. And he thought that sex bots would be the equivalent of like Ford
motors in the future, like what Ford motors did to revolutionize the world,
the sex bots are going to do in the future, according to to Levey.
But Stepford wives is because it kind of like when you you look at
when when some of these AI art and ai egirl things started to come it
out, Maybe was it like six months ago to a year ago. A
lot of the red pill manisterere you guys are like, oh, like feminists
are owned, you know, like we don't even need you anymore. Dudes
are going to be you know, dudes are going to be you know,
getting their rocks off to the to the AI generated hotties on Instagram. We're
gonna have AI e girls. Ai AI is going to put only fans out
of business, right, So it's like it's it's just kind of funny to
me how so much of the the manosphere stuff really ends up because it starts
with a faulty premise, usually starting from like a nihilistic atheist perspective. Well,
I mean, if you're in the domain of the insull, I think
that's definitely true. I mean, the you know, red pill typically is
just sort of like, uh, I mean, it's sort of it's a
lot of things now, but you know, back when Rushe was doing Return
of Kings, it was learning game, learning how to pick up girls,
you know, masculinity, men's rights. But what it results in is this
Andrew Tait mentality where women are literally objects of cong quest, right, Like
it's the female is an object of conquest to be ultimately defiled, right,
So the ultimate defiling of woman is to replace her with a robot. I
understand, I understand. What all I'm saying is that what happens, I
think is that that movement branches off into different directions and it eventually becomes in
one schism. It's like the domain of the in cell. Because I had
one of these guys reach out to me and he really wanted to do a
podcast, and he's one of the one of the guys out of the men's
rights group who has a pretty large channel, and he wanted to talk about
like men's rights and sex bots because he's pro sex bot. And I ended
up not really wanting to do the interview. But so that sphere of things
is like, I'm going to be an inceell who will openly promote the sex
bot because that's a much better option for me as an individual than getting into
the marriage and getting divorced. I'm not for that, I understand that,
but I'm saying that that's one schism. Then you've got this other group.
I don't even know what the taits have said about the sex bots. But
then you've got the other side of things, which is like the pick up
artist community, which is like, no, that's lame. You should at
least be able to interact with girls and figure out how to you know,
go meet girls and get numbers and all that kind of stuff. Yeah,
because girls are the real sex thots to those guys, right, Like,
well, that's why Rouche like ultimately denounced what he was doing in the past,
because it's such a sick way of seeing women, to see them as
literally just flesh sexpots where you just run game on them and then get them
back to your apartment and do your thing and then you know, then you're
done, or maybe have like a situationship with them for a few months and
then replace them. It's kind of like it's it's basically they'll criticize women for
doing hypergamy, but it's male hypergamy, but with just you know, the
status is replaced with just your sexual arounity being soaked by them. So what
I'm saying is like the the the Leveyan vision of the bot, of the
woman being a bot. It's also like the real The most demonic version of
that is actually seeing people as being soulless automatons and turning the humans themselves into
slaves. Well, the goal of the system is to turn people into soulless
automatons through all the degeneracy and the one what I'm just saying is like a
lot of the Manisphere people who are so willing to like you said that,
dude, that's just like, yeah, we're totally probots. We want we
want our our ego in real life, and you know that's it's kind of
the same thing as the guys who are just like, well, you find
a woman and you you you whip them into submission. Like the Tates whole
thing was all about about basically forcing a woman to submit to you, manipulating
and gaslighting them. Like literally they would teach manipulation techniques to keep the woman
under control so that they would do only fans make you money. And then
you also use sex as a way to control them too, So it's like
it's kind of turning a woman into the bot, into a combot, but
they're you know, of course, flesh and blood. So it's this humanization
that the Satanic realm pushes out. It's so attractive to people of various fears.
And the feminists are all about the sex spots and stuff too. They're
all about the you know, the the production of more and more pleasure,
and you're right to be a hedonist. So I just I find it's an
interesting cultural phenomenon that's just trying to pull so many people into this hedonistic way
of seeing both technology and and your fellow human beings. Have you seen Stepford
Wives? No, you should watch that. The old one, I mean,
the new one is domb It's like, I mean, it's the same
basic movie, but the new one is Matthew Brodrick and Nicole Kimmen. But
the original one from the seventies is a horror movie. And the weird part
is that on the one hand, it's like, Okay, this is actually
talking about MK ultra, but the it develops into being this thing where it's
like, no, actually, the real problem is the patriarchy is keeping the
women down and making them into you know, mindless automatons by being homemakers.
Right, So it's weird because it has this. As you're watching it,
you think it's this exploration and expose of MK ultra, like quite literally because
they have this institute, and these people run this secret institute where they're you
know, controlling the women and doing something to them and you don't know what.
But as the story progresses, it turns out to be this an anti
patriarchal narrative, right. It's like, and you see a lot of left
narratives co opt true critiques this way. They'll be like, oh, yeah,
there's mk ultra, but it's really the evil patriarchs that are behind it.
And if we could get rid of men, then we wouldn't have the
abuse. So I was just saying that what I think you should watch Stepford
wise because it's kind of silently because I've seen it's like a meme now.
And the reason I've watched it because I'm so sick of hearing about like like
everything is uh is Stepford Wives, Like everything any anybody like you take away
abortion for me? This is literally Stepford Wives, you know exactly. That's
that's exactly right. But it's actually kind of a funny inversion because like the
whole feminist thing actually brings that about in a different way with you know,
the roboticisation ai. I mean, everything that this film kind of explores these
inversions are constantly happening with these people who think they're fighting something, and they
really end up kind of just becoming the opposite side of the coin. They
just fall into the dialectic. I'll watch that. I think that what what
they what A lot of the people from that domain would say to you.
And I'm not trying to call you out or be or be argumentative, but
I actually want to hear your take on this because I hear this people say
this to me, and it's because I've been in a relationship with Jamie for
seven years and we've been married. For you, you don't understand all the
relationships. You don't understand, no, no, But what I want to
say is that, so, but it has been a long time since you
were single, And what I hear from a lot of guys that are younger
is that it is actually way more difficult even than it was in twenty fifteen
when I was single. Right, so you've been married for longer. So
I'm curious what would you say to the guys that would say, well,
Tristan, yeah, maybe you're right, but do you understand how much more
difficult it is now? If you're single than it was even in twenty fifteen.
I'm not saying it's easy to find a good relationship. I mean it
wasn't. It wasn't easy for me, and once you do, it takes
a lot of work to get it to where I mean it takes it takes
it takes work. I feel like Saint John Crass's on marriage is just as
valid today as it was when he wrote it. Well, but even beyond
that, the sense that I get from a lot of people's blackpill, that's
what I'm getting at. Yeah, it's like it's so hard for me.
Women are so bad. I mean I get comments like this all the time.
I try to, you know, I try not to argue with people
like that. I understand where they're coming from. But it's like it's almost
like you can't You're not going to be able to intellectually convince someone of a
spiritual problem that they're kind of dealing with, like intellectually intervene and help them
with just a few words. I feel like it's it's like, if you're
not able to connect with people and it's everyone else's fault, is it really
Well, Well, I guess what I'm saying is like if you want to
try to meet a good girl, I mean, you're probably gonna have the
best chance through church. That's what I'm trying to get at here. It's
not going to be it's not going to be you know, surfing, you
know, various Instagram profiles to find a girlfriend ors. I mean, I
mean, maybe that could happen. That's not totally impossible. But you know
what I'm saying, Like, if the problem is that I'm not meeting the
right kinds of people, and then are you in the right circles? You
know what I mean? Yeah, I mean, if you're trying to meet
women at ours, that's that's stupid. You're trying to meet women at on
dating apps. Most dating apps, I'm sure, are not going to be
the best place to meet a good woman. A good woman. I know.
There are a lot of like Christian dating apps. I know people who
have tried those and had limited success. I know people who have had success
with that. I think, I really, I mean, it's hard.
It's hard to talk in generalities when it's like if it's someone you know and
you're like, well, dude, freaking why you got this eight foot beard
and you look like a dang wook and you think you're some ascetic or something
like take a shower and you know, like you make yourself look a little
bit nicer and care about yourself and stop pretending. You know, you're literally
like there are people who will make themselves into stinky messes and slobs. Yeah,
and then but it's actually out of like it's an excuse sloth, it's
laziness and pride. Yeah. Yeah, so it's like sloth laziness, which
is rooted in pride. And they'll say, oh, you know, like
these people who will, you know, actually shave their face, Like,
well, you look at the church fathers. They all have huge beard.
It's like, dude, you're not a church father. You're like a twenty
two year old guy who spending way too much time arguing online and really you
should be probably spending some time really interacting with people. And yeah, you
might, you might shoot a few you might shoot a few shots and totally
miss the target, but you got to maybe get used to that as a
young man too, and get used to failure. I feel like we have
a lot of insulated people who are hyper focused on the black pill and the
red pill can either lead to like the black pill, or you can get
God pilled. And thankfully a lot of people that are watching your streams and
that you're interacting with or at least understand the necessity of God and are on
that path. So you know, I think having faith and really like understanding
that if you want a good relationship, you have to make it. But
it's a synergistic relationship you're not gonna make. You're gonna go to go find
some tradwife girl and then manipulate her into being your your AI combat that's gonna
raise your kids. That's not a healthy relationship. I think legit, a
lot of people actually have just weird ideas of what a healthy relationship is.
A healthy relationship, you're not just gonna meet some woman she's just like I
can't wait to move into your apartment and make food for you all day.
Like, that's not how it's gonna be. And I think a lot of
people are gonna be in a situation now. If you're in your twenties,
you're gonna be meeting women who also have jobs and who are working. So
yes, you're gonna be dealing with this dynamic of a woman who's maybe been
convinced that they should be a career woman. But that energy that they're putting
into being a career woman is so easily corrected like that they get hyper fixated
on career because they're not in a loving relationship. But when you're able to
kind of create that space for each other and build on that with each other,
those problems can be healed. So I think looking for too much perfection
is a problem for a lot of people. I need my virgin trad wife
who's never even looked another dude in the eyes, and she has to literally
just be ready to drop before me and kiss my feet and wash my feet
with her tears. It's like, dudes, first of all, you don't
that's not what you really want. That's not real, and that's not that's
not even a healthy vision of what you want. So I think it's really
like, take personal responsibility is the first step always, and you want a
good relationship, build it right, build it, and you're gonna have to
peel through some layers in your in, your in your spouse, and your
woman. You're gonna have to dig through a lot of nonsense in yourself too
to get there and to not just be projecting onto her and nitpicking at her
and telling her what her problems are. That's you know, there's well,
there's so much to make it a good relationship. And I feel like reading
Saint John Crass systems on marriage is really important. And then also just just
deal with the reality of like you're not perfect, your spouse is not gonna
be perfect, and uh, but you're you got to work on it together,
and it's the two become one, not in like an AI gay eye
way. I was gonna say, this little AI bought baby here is from
uh, it's from a demon seed. What would you name this bot baby?
You could even say it's a butt baby, because they have those.
Now, if you had this bot butt baby, what would you name it?
Amy Schumer? If you were in a relationship with an AI girlfriend,
what would you name this? Is that it was that bot baby that I
see on the screen, name that beautiful bot baby, Amy Schumer. Okay,
all right, we'll take it. That's a pretty name for aoc AOC.
Peyton says, for three dollars, you signed the Red Book and my
girlfriend's book came, but you didn't read the note sections in your website.
Boomer, Yeah, sometimes I don't read the notes as to who you want
me to sign the book to, so I apologize. Peyton says for a
dollar, the shop is done on your website. This was from a couple
of days ago. These are old super chats I missed. Yes, by
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dollars and says every month it looks like something is happening that fulfills the Book
of Revelation. Throughout history, however, similar things have happened, but this
trend of Christians becoming lukewarm and not even realizing it does seem new. Do
you have thoughts? Again? You know, we don't know the end,
so it's definitely possible. I know the fathers say, the elders say that
as the end approaches, it will be more and more clear to the church,
So you know, we don't have to worry about that, like,
what is it the end? And we don't know it? Uh oh it
could be, but we just don't know. And I think every generation probably
has a lot of lukewarm Christians. I don't know if it's like I mean,
I think there's a lot of apostasies. So maybe KT ten dollars,
Mary, Blessed Christmas. Thank you, same to you, KT, Daniel
Nelson ten dollars, Jay, you should collab with Justin Sledge. He runs
esoteric on YouTube. I'm not familiar with him, but thank you for that,
Danel. Justin Sledge sounds I'll have to check him out. He sounds
like he rules, Justin rules because he has well, I guess a sledgehammer
is not the gavel I was thinking of a guest. He sounds like a
character, like a judge dread. Yeah, he sounds like a villain or
like a hero. Yeah, exactly, DC would work at three dollars.
I've heard that you can put AI into a girlfriend funko pop. Exactly.
That's what we all know. I'm after, Well, Emmanuel ten dollars,
Merry Christmas, Merry Christmas to you Well, Emanuel flav flave one dollar if
you watch the movie Napoleon. No, honestly, I don't. I mean,
Ridley Scott's movies are constantly feminist, annoying nonsense. I don't remember the
last Ridley Scott movie. Maybe that one where that chick infiltrates that in that
Green ng O. That's a pretty good movie. The counselor the counselor he
do that. I don't even remember that. Dude, I don't know,
But I mean everybody said Napoleon was garbage. I figured it would be.
How would you compare it to warm Peace? Well, I haven't seen Napoleon.
Uh, don't care about Tolstoy Tristan. What is your top recommended reading
list? Jay's got a great reading list. I got to say, like
many books that Jay is recommended and super helpful for me kind of put certain
pieces together. So I know, Jay's got probably one of the better reading
lists for like this Globalist book series. It's great, So definitely check that
out. You know, I've actually been reading pretty slowly. I should have
read it quicker. I've been reading Blood Meridian, really enjoy it. I
do like Cormack McCarthy, people like I've seen some hate from Cormack McCarthy lately.
I think it was after he died. People just want to hate.
But I do like his novels as far as an American and it just as
the American experience I feel like is really encapsulated in some of his novel The
Road was fantastic. The Road is a great book. If you haven't seen
the movie, don't watch the movie, you watch read the book first.
I think The Road was good. Blood Meridian solid. Uh, yeah,
I'm gonna pull I have to pull a Nathan here and one up you,
right Nathan style. Yeah. I already wrote a grad paper on Blood Marinia.
I actually ghost wrote Blood Meridian. I'm just joking. I'm just joking.
I mean, I do have a grad I do have a grad paper
on it. But I'm not trying to one up you. I would Will
you say that to me? If you? I mean, I don't know
if you have it, like if it's a form, I actually have it
right here, I actually have it right here. Well, can you recite
it to me? Uh? I could, but he wouldn't get it,
so I don't want to make you look bad, So I could I could
tell that like whatever Jay wrote you probably misunderstood the book anyways, so I
would love to critique his grad I did have it, so we I did
not read the road. I've only read Blood Meridian, and it's pretty crazy
because it's it's I think it's a totally gnostic. I mean, it's one
or percent gnostic. That was my argument. My my professor liked it,
so that proves me right. So there you go. Oh, I mean
it's it's pretty it's a pretty wild book. I mean, as far as
I think it's a good I mean, I guess it's it's in how you
read it. But so far, I'm seeing a great critique on kind of
the American and the right. Yeah, it's like this hellscape of the of
the wild West, and you have Roman Catholicism, Protestanism, Protestantism clashing together
and kind of the bones of these, uh, these religions where so many
people are apostasizing from now. I think it's I think it's pretty relevant.
And yeah, I've only read the first half so far, but I'm gonna
finish it this week. You want to hear another I don't know if you
got to hear my breakdown of Wise Blood by Flannery O'Connor, did you hear
me do that? I you know, if it's something that I haven't read,
I try to like read it, or or same with films, like
if you're going to do a film review, I'd rather watch the film and
then get that because you know, just kind of well. I say that
because I know that you appreciate when the literature is predictive. And you know,
we talked about Dostievsky kind of predicting the Mountain of skulls the Socialists would
bring in. Flannery O'Connor's Wise Blood predicted the New Atheists pretty wild. I
mean, she was way ahead of her time because she perfectly captures the attitude
and the mindset of the way those guys think, the way they operate.
It's a novella, so it's about one hundred pages, and I highly recommend
that it's really funny, it's really smart, really well done. Of course,
she was a tried cat, but she's got really good literary skills.
And I read all of her other stuff except for I'm on her final thing
that I will have read all of her stuff, which is violent bear it
away, And that's crazy because she predicts the outlandishness of charismatic movements there.
So the whole story is about this crazy old dude who lives out in the
country and he steals kids to baptize them because I mean, he's not a
creeper, he's just crazy and he baptized. He steals goods to baptize them
because he thinks he's ordained as a prophet, and so he's a crazy charismatic.
Yeah, it's a genius, genius story. So both of those are
good. Gary Sin's fifty bucks. Thank you so much, Gary for that
big fat super chat winning the super Chat tonight. He doesn't say anything.
Temple hat Girl five dollars. I find all this gnostic bull to be very
low iq. They claim to hate biblical principles, but they have no problem
borrowing from all these concepts exactly great point. It's obvious and cringe. Merry
Christmas, both you guys and blessings. Well, Merry Christmas to you,
Temple hat Girl, much appreciated. Travis ten dollars. With the rise of
all these sex bots and automated vehicles, it's only a matter of time before
we get a country song about a man's truck leaving him Oh, there we
go, Sleeper, five dollars. How did I not find all of your
work earlier? Because you were enormy and you were dumb, just kidding,
best social media, didn't you weren't? Yeah? You you You don't deserve
it. You probably still don't deserve welcome. You're you're not initiated yet.
But perhaps if you, you know, continue on your journey, you can
be as enlightened as uh as a doctor Crispy Roth's child in the chat who
else in the chat trying to think of him grandma, You can be as
wise as the orthodox boomer grandma if you stick around for a while. Sleeper
says, you are the best social media diva influencer out there. There we
go, and thank you so much. The debates over you thought he was
talking to you. You know he's Onking Me, he says, I look
forward to hearing you on Lord Voldemart. Well, thank you very much,
again proving that it's me not you. BMX nineteen sixty six, ten dollars,
Thank you so much. BMX. Guys subscribe to Tristan over at uh
what's his website? Uh? Boomer boomerompods dot com. I forget the name
of your website, Yeah, the Open Society founder, Oh society, that's
it. Tristan's what side is over there now? Soros Foundation, Ford Foundation.
Anyway, all right, thank you guys so much. Great breakdown.
Uh, guys, I really enjoyed Tristan's stream last night. If you didn't
see it, it's really funny, go watch it. Tristan really got deep
into deconstructing Ai and Paul whatever his name is, our friend from and I's
new Internet dad. So yeah, we're gonna we're gonna interview, We're gonna
try to We're gonna email him and see if he'll if he'll actually Internet adopt
us as his as his YouTube children, because you know, I'm a huge
fan of fallow now my new favorite channel. Yeah, thanks, Jay,
appreciate it. Man'll see it. Let me know. Maybe let's we'll talk
about it offline about what we can