Transgender ideology is obviously destroying families, and thank god, finally people are beginning
to talk to detransitioners. Though no one can actually transition. It cannot be
done. You cannot become the opposite sex. That's one of the greatest lies
about this. And people figure that out and become suicidal. Many of them,
if not most, not all of them, become suicidal, but they
figure it out that hey, I'm not really the opposite sex. You know
who doesn't get enough attention parents, Parents who go through the hell of this
as the world endorses a child's delusion. We're going to talk with one mother
who's faced this and still faces it, and it's got to be painful.
Deb Brinton joins us. With the help of God Almighty will start in three
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Deb Britain joins me. Dev's son Joshua Caleb, fell into the live
of transgenderism, and Deb is one of the parents who never gets enough attention
or sympathy. These are stories we need to hear. That's why we're telling
these stories in the Todd Hermy Shore. Deb, thank you for making the
time. I appreciate you coming in, Thank you for having me. Let's
start, I guess with before, because stories go that way. There's beginning,
middle, ends, and and we hope this is not the end state
for your son. But let's start with the beginning. Your son got conned
into ideaology at some point, and we can talk about how that happened.
But was he always someone who thought he was the opposite sex? No,
he was all boy from the time he came out of the womb. And
you know, how do you define boy? How do you define girl?
You know, I don't even know how you do it these days. But
the bottom line is that anything that we would think of as boy was my
baby boy and was very proud of his boyhood, so to speak. Just
a brief synopsis. He had, you know, grown up homeschool family.
And you know, we didn't necessarily want him in the public schools and being
exposed, and we sure weren't worried about this, but just things in general.
And so we had homeschool to him and his younger sister two years younger
than he was, and they were great friends and he had a great friend
group and anyway, just had an absolutely picture perfect, ideal childhood. And
you know, when people will hear this, they'll doubt it. I'll tell
you, I'm sure you've probably had this. We know this because of the
travails we've been through as a family. We know, we know people doubt
no, clearly you did something. No, there's a society that's doing something.
There is an entertainment complex is doing something. And I've had many many
families tell us that no, but it was ideal, and kids can go
back and say, wow, it wasn't as bad as I thought it was.
What do you think were the first hints if there were any, or
did you have the typical rapid onset gender dysfory thing if your son walked in
one day and said, hey, I'm a girl. Okay, there was
definitely the rap at onset, but there were definitely some history that led up
to this. So my husband, I mean my husband, my my son
is a genius. I Q so extremely intelligent from a very young age,
and so he would He was always the inquisitive kid. He read books,
he read, he was a researcher. He I mean, you know,
a kid can build anything from scratch. I mean just extremely talented. We're
not sure where you come from. So we would joke about that. But
long story short, he was about and my background was in sexual health education.
I worked for a local crisis pregnancy center, and so I would go
into schools, church groups, community groups, and you know, teach the
truth about sex that during that season, nobody was teaching. Nobody was teaching
the truth and the consequences of taking sex outside of a committed lifetime relationship formerly
known as marriage. And so with that said, I you know, this
was that was my gig. And I was extremely open with my children about
absolutely everything. There was no question that they couldn't ask in our home.
And so anyway, we have some great conversations, and so much so that
he even took a teen Bible that talked about the ineffectiveness of condoms to his
A wanna group. Now it's a wanna group, LA. There wasn't quite
as excited about him proliferating that gospel at a wanna but you know, I
tried to explain, I'm so sorry, y'all let him know. So we'd
had a conversation. I'm like, hey, babe, that's probably not wordy.
You need to have that conversation. So he's yeah. Anyway, So
long story short, one day he came in. He was, you know,
ten years old. I'm wast eleven years old, and he was asking
some pretty deep questions as it related, you know, young men questions,
but probably something you'd hear more of between twelve and fourteen. But because he
was so advanced, and I thought, you know what, mom probably isn't
the best one to answer those questions. And you know, his daddy wasn't
quite as comfortable answering those questions as I was. So long story short,
I said, I've got a book for you, babe, and I handed
him the book Every young Man's Battle, thought, patted myself on the back.
I've just done a really good thing. I've just prepared my son.
And so my son went and dug into that beautiful Christian text and got curious
because there were some things that they were talking about in there, like pornography,
Well what's that? And you know, computers are just beautifull things in
our lives, but they're also the enemy's playground. And long story short,
he googles pornography and that began a journey that hasn't stopped. Yeah, you
know, pornography is very much a stairstep drug. It is. You know,
some people, as we used to joke, could smoke a joint and
they're never going to go on the math. And then there's others at the
moment they smoke that first joint, you know, for whatever reason, that's
that's their gateway and pornography. Some men are able to they experienced pornography.
It's never impacted their marriages. That there's a vast majority out there that had
had the negative consequences of it in their relationships. And for my poor son,
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and I know you know this. There are very typical kids who fall into
this. Intelligence level is very very high. People don't think this is true,
but it is. Asperger's is high. Autism is high. High intelligence
is high. So are there is the personality quotient. The Myers Briggs analysis,
the architects are highly overrepresented in the group of people who fall for transgender
ideology. Guess what architects want. They want control. They want to control
their circumstances. And one way to control the circumstance is to take a narcissistic
position of I'll choose my own sex and make you agree. And porn,
You're so right, is a gateway into this, not just because the enemy
wants to confuse people about sex and get people thinking just about their flesh,
but also because it gets into the minds of some young men and they say,
I want to be the controlling person. I want to be the desired
person. Right. So your son fell into this, and I will ask
the tough question, and I have regrets as a parent too. Do you
regret him having access to porn in your home? Well, again, I
have a genius level son. So when it first when it first came out,
you know, obviously you know, I'm I'm a mom, I've six,
I've coached many students through you know, porn addiction, and I thought,
I got this. I got this. And when you talk about regrets,
that's probably my biggest regret. I stepped up and stepped in at a
time where I should have stepped back and had some strong men step in so
that is that is a regret. You know, again, whether it was
his father or his father, you know, some other you know, strong
Christian men, but I didn't. I thought, I've got this, I
know this, We're going to handle this. And and it just it began
to spiral from there. You know, we think I would think it was
under control, and it wasn't under control. The I don't know, it's
probably the third time that we discovered that it was not under control. We
walked in, we walked into our I walked into his room and he'd hot
wired his Wii. I mean, you know, so the kid you know,
and not only that, the neighbor down the street, the neighbor kid
down the street come to find out, you know, they were accessing corner
on his computer. And so the bottom line is, where there's a will,
there's a way, I mean, there's there's not there's no I mean,
you can do everything as a parent to try to protect your children.
And unfortunately, if if that's what they're after, they're going to go and
get it. And you know, and it it got really heated. So
there was a point in this journey where it began to get heat up,
so to speak so on off, on, off, on off. He
had actually started going to a small Christian public school again that ended up working
against us, and the boys began to bully him because he is just it's
just a different kind of guy. And you know when we call him gay.
He ended up in friendship with somebody who claimed no gender, and then
another girl who thought she was by and and so then all of a sudden
there began to have these relationships into his life, these friendships so we knew
nothing about at the time, that began to enforce this agenda again that he
would have never been exposed to if we kept him in his verse. So
again, regrets, could we really change that? I don't know. I
don't know, But there was some turning points. So this kind of progressed
for a while. And but I want to go back to how anti and
how how how much my son was just this this isn't him. There was
a show that had come out all about jazz or something about a young girl
whose parents had transitioned her or a young boy rather whose parents Yeah yeah,
Jesus. Mom complains about having to wake her up and shove a wedge between
her legs to keep the wound open. Yeah, yeah, it's just it's
really horrific. And so, but long story short, there was a documentary
series and my my younger daughter had stumbled across it. And again, we
keep all discussions open in our home, and we feel like if all the
cards are on the table, then there's nothing that you know, that can
the enemy doesn't have a playground with it. And so this particular day,
my daughter was watching this show, but I was watching it with her,
and my son had walked in the room. He's like, what are you
doing? And I was like, well, your sister had had some questions
about this, I said, so we're walking. I said, we're watching
it together and we're talking about it so I can help her to understand what
this is all about. And he lost it. He lost it. He
was so self frauduous. He had had a conversion experience with the Lord and
a radical conversion experience at only eight years old. But again his high intelligence,
and he you know, was very legalistic. And it was interesting what
you said earlier because in some ways that control come on now has now played
into this role. Are you with me? Yes? So fast forward a
couple more years, he was he's twenty now, so he was just about
just about to turn fit there, just turn fifteen, and we were in
the process we were living in Louisianna at the time, and we were in
the process of moving our family to California. I'd had some business opportunity out
here. And I come I get a phone call from his dad. It's
it's an evening and I'm out with my girlfriends and I get a phone call
and he says, you need to come home now. Your son needs to
we need to talk. It's about your son. And so I get home,
I sit down on the couch, and this was the day that he
decided to say, yeah, I think i'm by Well I can forgive me,
I can knock that shit. We can get over this. Well,
no kidding. When you said you're looking forward and you have trained your brain
since ten years old to be attracted to both male female whatever else you've been
putting up on that porn screen, duh, duh. But whatever whatever,
we're not having this conversation anyway. So that was that was kind of a
pivotal shift in all this. So he was from this very self righteous position
and supposedly trying to work on getting this poor thing out of his life too.
Oh well, now I'm gonna start to embrace some of the drama of
it all. And so this is so again, polease forgive me dab.
But I've heard I've heard the tale, and it's sometimes it starts with there's
a script, and usually girls followed the script. The script goes, Hey,
if I wanted to have breast reduction surgery because they were hurting me,
they were impeding me from walking, they were breaking my back, would you
you know? Would you would you allow that? We? Sure? Okay,
door open now now okay? So, but what if they're breaking my
mind? And with boys, it so often starts with what you're talking about.
I was talking this weekend to someone about misuse of the body. Where
was I I can't remember where I was, but I was talking about,
Oh gosh, fancy that I was in a gym. Why would it be
anything else. I was in a gym. I was talking about the early
powerlifting this, that's it, that's it. I got to work out with
one of the guys from the youth group. I'm going to be co leading
with him at summer camp. Unbelievably incredible kid. I mean, he's a
grown man. He's eighteen, he's legally an adult. I still think of
him as a kid. But we were talking about the early days of weightlifting
and everything I did to myself, and he's a super strong kid. It
was before I workout. We were just bonding and I said to him,
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from, or I should say probably regressed from this fleshly desire to have other
men, other boys, And yes, porn does that. It's the crazy
thing about porn is it's so like a drug that's so called straight porn is
not enough, and then it's now it's group sex, and now it's well,
maybe i'll just look at so called gay porn and men having sex together,
and okay, let's just look at that to see what's that like.
And by the way, porn sites merchandise this, and they also merchandise violence.
About one in eight of the of some of the porn services, one
in eight of the things they push at you is going to be violence.
And they absolutely admit, they admit that they push same sex activity at everybody
because they want to expand the sort of content you're going to take in.
So, how did your son then go from that? What was the how
did he inform you that, hey, by the way, I'm now not
just so called by but I'm a girl. So again we'll fast forward to
that. So we so here we are in the midst of all this crazy
town. I'm now I'm reaching out, I'm getting other counselors involved. Now
I know I've got a son. You know, this pornography is more addictive
than heroin. It is taking him into darker places. I couldn't even imagine
the darker places that we were going to go. But we make the move
to California. I get him in full time counseling, and tried one counselor.
Literally that counselor tapped out at some point they got heavy, and so
then brought another counselor in and and that was going as well as I could
hope at that point. And this was right before COVID hit and and all
the crazy that went along with that mentally for our children, and anyway,
or at the beginning there. So we are up at We're up at Lake
Tahoe. I'm doing a quick vacation with my kids, just just him and
his sister, and and so we're, you know, gonna be up there
and go ski you the next day. And he has got his phone,
and again prepared to like, well, why didn't you just take his phone
for good? Well, again we have to understand, So I keep his
phone for good. He goes and he buys his own phone. He goes
and steals one of you. I mean, they're going to have access,
so the best thing I could do is at least know what was going to
be on the phone and to put the permal control on and things like that.
Well, anyway, this particular day, so we're up a tahoe and
I see him and he's over in the corner and he's on his phone.
But I can just tell, we can always tell when your children are doing
something they don't need to be doing. And I said, who are you
talking to? Men? And oh, nobody, nobody, And I'm like
whatever, And so I walk over and actually remembering now he was his phone?
Who was his laptop? He was on he was having to do some
stuff for school, supposedubly. So I walk over and I grab it,
and my son, who at this time is much larger than I am,
literally wrestles me to the ground physically. Who tried to pull it away from
me, I mean like lost his mind, absolutely lost his mind. And
I'm you know, I'm not a pushover, and so I pushed back,
and so if you can imagine, there is this all out fight between the
two of us, and because he ain't getting that back, but again he's
much larger than I am, so he does end up wrestling it out.
I call his vacation off, I call his counsel and then he refuses to
tell me what's going on. I mean just arrogantly refuses, and I was
like, oh, hey no, and tells me I'm not going to tell
you until we go see my counselor. That's not a problem. So we
are loading up the truck, we are heading down hill. I'm calling his
counselor. I'm like, we need an emergency meeting or this child may not
make it through the night. I'm hot. And so we get down to
his counselor's office, they meet one on one without me. They bring me
in and his dad I had told to stay, and we sit down and
the child says, yeah, I think I'm creans, I think I'm a
girl whatever, And I literally laughed out loud. I'm like, so this
is the next twisty turn we're taking on this ridiculous journey. I mean,
it was just it was laughable. It was so laughable that this all boy
from the time first breath came out of him, What are you kidding me?
So that was the big unveil, and of course this counselor, you
know said that probably wasn't the best reaction, but I really couldn't hear less
because that was a true reaction. Right, It's well no, and it's
look. I've talked to so many parents who their first response is their daughter
says, I'm a boy, and the hell you are right, because it's
absurd. It's a psychosis. And one of the things we've learned in working
with parents on this is a if your parent listening to this and you say,
well, thank god, I'll never face this, can I tell you
something with all love, you're fool. Yes, you don't know that.
And well, my kids are private schooled, great, do they have friends?
Do they go to skating rinks? Okay, we need to be prepared
to hear something like this, And this is my view. You may well
feel that genuinely. In fact, I believe your feelings are genuine and you
couldnot change your sex right, and we stand in this firm truth. I
don't blame you a bit for laughing in your son's face. I don't because
it's it's absurd. One other thing, if I could be so bold and
just, it's only because our time is limit, I could talk to you
for day. Is StEB fathers in deuterotomy six, we are the ones who
are to put on our kids' minds and hearts the word of God on a
daily basis when they go to sleep and when they wake. Doesn't mean that
moms aren't devolved. Of course, God values moms and dads equally. If
you are turning to the church to raise your kid, you're going to fail.
And if you are speaking the word of God and not acting the word
of God, you're going to fail. Because the enemy wants any and all
wedges. We need to be the spiritual leaders of our home or we will
fail. And Deb, I know there's a lot of steps between hey,
I think I am bisexual to hey I think I'm a girl in that period
of time from that fifteen year old coming and chatting with you, I think
I'm bisexual in your response of well, look your programmed your brain with porn,
what are some of the steps between that and the Lake Tahoe emission.
Because one of the things I want to make sure you get to do is
say the things parents need to say because you're never consulted. So give us
some of the things you need. We need to know between that period of
time and then we'll get up to data to where things are now, you
know. And I wish I could tell you that there was this one pinpoint
moment or one thing or one but there's just not. There's just there's just
a kid trying to survive in this culture and trying to sort out in this
pre adolescent brain or adolescent brain what's going on, and a sensitive child that
now we're entered into COVID, and we've entered into this super storm of agenda
that came in at the same time as COVID promoting all of this drama.
Unfortunately, a father that felt very ill equipped, and so instead again of
stepping up, stepped back, and it just it was just the perfect storm
in many many ways. And so again I wish I could say, oh,
here's the recipe, But there are no books when it comes to sin.
I mean, it's just like the same thing when you have a child
that falls into a drug addiction and you're like, well, what went wrong?
You know, are there regrets are the things you wish you had done
differently? Of course there are, But is there a textbook to make sure
your kid never get ends up on drugs? No, there's just not They're
just not And when you are living in a world that literally you can't turn
on a TV without being bombarded, or internet or anywhere we go. My
god, the whole month of June has been dedicated to this insanity. The
whole month. It's just crazy. And so how do you do that?
I don't know. Here's what I do know. What I do know is
that for whatever reason God has trusted me and has trusted our family, you
can go through this. And you know what that means. I'm I'm I'm
equipped. I'm equipped. Now, there's many days I do not feel equipped.
I'm telling you that, I'm telling you there are many days that I
have been I mean, and unfortunately my marriage did not make it through this.
You know, here we are. My friend's twenty years old. Now
he has been he's he's in the hospital right now, on his third fifty
one fifty he has he tried to kill himself. Drove his car completely off
the road at eighteen miles an hour. He was the only thing left in
the car that was not completely I mean, airbag didn't even go off.
The boy opens the door and steps out the rest of the car. Every
officer environment on the scene can tell you there's no way, no way anybody
could walk away from that. But you know what that was for me?
That was a gift because I knew that boy wasn't going nowhere till God Almighty
himself took him out. And you know what, His name is, Joshua
Caleb, and God himself named that child. And so here's what I can
tell you as it relates to that. What I can tell you is it
relates to that, is that boy is gonna fight some giants. He's fighting
them today and he's fighting them right now, and it's not my fight.
So I tell you what, if there's one thing that I could tell parents
right now is it's not your fight because you're talking to type a driver.
I'm gonna fix this can happen. I'm gonna this is my fight. My
fight in this is to hold my stance, to not get into agreement in
fairytale land, to be bold with it. I mean, he went through
three months of intensive, twenty hour a week trans counseling that he literally cut
off the family sessions because his trans counselor loved his mama, and not because
his mama was pro trance, but because his mama spoke the truth in love,
spoke the truth in love, and that she couldn't even argue she loved
me. I mean, I call her sister, because of course you don't
pronoun it's not she, But I called her sister. We were good with
that, but he literally cut off family sessions because he's like, you're manipulating
my counselor. No, your counselor just has a semblance of truth and can
hear truth. But anyway, praise God that you found a counselor, a
so called transcuncor. I won't use that word without so called because I refuse
to speak the enemy's language. So praise God that you found someone who would
actually say, hey, you know what, your mom loves you, and
your mom wants what's best for you. I want to get to some of
the other frustrations at this that that that initial counselor when your son sat and
said I'm a girl. Did the counselor also say laugh? Or did the
counselor right? This is the frustration dead tell me if I'm wrong. Yeah,
if your kid falls into drug addiction, most medical people will go,
gosh, we gotta we gotta help. If your kid's cutting, right,
Hey, you know what does that? He does that? Yeah, true
story, cutting actually works biologically, Oh it does. Guess what. Yeah,
it's ineffective because it can make you very, very sick. Yes,
and it gets worse. Most people will say, hey, we need you
get to stop cutting. If you're anorexic, you can die from that.
You can end up with a heart attack. If you're bullymic, you know
that's going to take your teeth out and eventually rot your gut so that you're
going to end up dying. Any one of these things. Counselors, therapists,
medical personnel will go, hey, we need to arrest that. But
a boy at the age of twenty saying or little or young or whatever saying
I'm a girl, you got ninety nine in California. You get ninety nine
percent of people and they're breaking the law. They don't affirm. So you
get ninety nine percent of people saying brave and what's the next word, brave
and stunning. So did you lose friends because you wouldn't support your son's delusions?
Well, you know, I'm pretty blessed. I've got i'm and I
know how to communicate. Okay, So again, I'm not angry at my
son because he's going through this. Welcome to the club right now. You
know what I'm saying. I'm not. I don't hate people that are going
through this. I don't hate people that have embraced this drama. I mean,
I don't hate sinners. Hate yo, yo right here. You know
what I'm saying. So I don't I don't have any hate in me towards
this. I do have a hate towards my son. What it's done to
my son and what I'm having to watch him go through, and what it's
done to our family, what it's done to my daughter, what it's done,
I do have a hate for that. And that's part of what God
has had to work in me when I talked earlier about I can't fix this.
I do not have the power and truly understanding this has literally been for
me personally, and surrender, surrender, surrender, surrender, And the most
recent surrender was finally coming to the point after I'd come home for I travel
a lot for work. I'd come home and found out that he had stolen
alcohol to go with his twenty five pill bottles that are in his room,
had gotten drunk and had cut excess all over his face and hands. And
then the next morning wanted to know how he could go to work, and
I said, I don't know. I mean, I guess you just wear
gloves off you go. You're living in his house, you have to have
a job. I mean, at one point I was going to kick him
out. It was nothing but God Almighty that softened my heart to even let
him stay. And I'm going to tell you, there's not a textbook on
this. It hasn't been written. And I remind him of that on a
regular basis. I have no textbook. So all I have is Holy Spirit
and that's it. So if you have a problem with any part of how
you're being peering in, you can take it up with them. But of
course he walked away from his faith when he couldn't reconcile it with his with
his same sex attraction back in the day, and so that was a whole
nother thing. And so now it's there's this huge aversion to his faith,
even though this is a child that again had one of the most profound conversion
experiences I've ever witnessed. Well, but those are the people that Satan targets
and the profound conversion experiences, those mountaintop experiences, those are fantastic, and
we as men understand something like I am blessed to work with young men in
several different settings. You would be surprised how many young men had a mountaintop
experience, came home from camp, Bible camp, Christian camp and shared this
with the family, this mountaintop experience. To have a family say gosh,
we're proud of you. Fantastic, great work. How's football going good?
And to not gather around in communities of density. I'll give you a great
example of this communities of density. I was chatting with a young guy I'm
blessed to work with great Christian young man, and I simply asked this question
about one of his peers was working on a project with a female peer.
I said, hey, I heard that kind of fell a part. You
want to know what this young man said to me? He goes, yeah,
you should ask them that because I don't gossip. Wow, absolute sign
of mature. I said, oh, wow, you're right. I wasn't
seeking I didn't think I was seeking gossip, but man, I respect that
stance. You're right. I'll just go to them and ask about that.
So again I will say to the men in the eyes grandpas, et cetera,
Hey, my kids are grown. Are the kids in your neighborhood grown?
How about the kids in your church? How about getting into some of
these youth groups and being the male influence and a lot of these kids do
not have. Because here's another thing that I think parents need to understand something.
If it's just you and the public schools, when the parents the kids
turn against you, because this is biology, they will at some point want
to argue with you. They will want their own identity. If it's you
versus the schools or the culture, you're outnumbered. But if you live in
a community of density where your kids have twenty five adults who walk with the
Lord Jesus, and they've grown up around these twenty five adults who walk with
the Lord Jesus, they could go pick one of them and get that feedback
and that person can speak into their life and it's not their parents. Right,
your son is in this position. Now you've wisely said this is this
is not my battle, it's his battle. I know you now, having
got to know you, but I know you're in a prayer battle. I
know that you probably accept prayers from this podcast family for your son. Yes,
Okay, so we will pray for your son. We'll pray that the
Lord delivers him. We'll pray that the delusion goes away. That Joshua Caleb
is made in the image of God, made in the image of God Almighty,
and he's in a battle. And Father God, we would just ask
that you will step in, yes, and remind Caleb, Joshua Caleb,
of who made him, Yes, of who loves him. Yes, And
that he cannot change the design. He can mutilate it, he can vandalize
it, he can attempt to hide it, but he was made to walk
with you, Yes, and that Lord God, and you would work through
deb and others to have your face shine and to have this young man finally
finally go to his knees and seek the gift of forgiveness which is freely given
in the blood of Jesus Christ. You would ask this, that you would
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but it gets worse. I understand it, does it? Does you know?
Again? A journey like this, it involves the whole family. Unfortunately,
and again, as I mentioned, unfortunately, my husband and I are
married to twenty two years. Did not make it through this. I don't
know that it would have made it without it, but did not make it.
And but his because of the drugs that he's on, his behaviors began
to escalate and his moodswings began to escalate. Was this pharma or recreation?
Yes? Well yes, so he lived. So the conditions of him staying
in my home after graduation were number one, he had to have a full
time job, and number two, he could do nothing to pursue this physically.
In other words, I said, look at twenty five years old,
if this is still where your head is at, I said, then I'm
okay and it's off. You go do you. But as long as you're
in my home, you will have a full time job and you will do
nothing to modify yourself, whether it is physically or chemically. So that year
went crazy. He went crazy town on me, like literally there were there
was a physical incident here in my office, sitting in my office. Came
in one day and literally physically attacked me because he was so upset he'd gotten
triggered. He on a plane, he cornered me on a plane and just
was just absolutely I mean literally just almost on top of me, verbally,
abusive, just all kinds of craziness. That's not my child. It's not
my child. Which is really interesting because the conversation I had with him the
other day before he checked himself back in on the next fifty one to fifty
was I said, baby, I said, do you know, mom,
the thing that breaks your mama's heart the most is not has nothing to do
with your gender. It has to do with the loss of the character of
the son who I know and raised. You are a good human being.
You're one of the most compassionate people I've ever met. You're one of the
most giving and loving. But where's he gone? Where's that person? You've
become hateful and bitter and just a shadow of who you once were and who
everyone knew you to be, so which I really, I honestly think kind
of shook him to the point that it did end up leading to him on
the day he was supposed to either be exiting my house or making some new
commitments to go ahead and go about a fifty one fifty. But by the
way, if people don't know, this is a mental health code in the
state of California. It's not a Van Halen album, and hand album was
named after that because they had a studio called fifty one fifty. But it's
a it's a mental health being detained for mental health reasons, either voluntarily or
sometimes involuntarily, the pharma industry or liars. Oh my gosh, my biggest
regret. No, that's not true. I have a number of regrets.
One of them was giving into fear. Our daughter was harmed in a way
that changed her, and this is her story to tell. So there's parts
of it. I tell parts of it. I don't you know, when
you are handing out about thirty three to thirty five thousand dollars a month cash
for thirteen months, you will sometimes given the financial fear, even as you
thank God forever I having had those resources, even if they never come back,
and learning that hey, you know, she may not get at her
without these drugs. I gave in my wife, whom you know, sat
and it sits twice a week in a tiny little bathroom and shaves off little
little specks from tablets using a scale made to measure tiny tiny bits of gold
for jewelers and tiny bits of diamond, and Pharma lied about antidepressants. There
is no serotonin imbalance. And now recently we've come out with the mechanisms of
the lies we talked about we talked about yesterday in the program, and that
is taking people who signed up for trials for antidepressants and then couldn't stand the
drugs. They got sick in the drugs, so they dropped. So Pharma
said, hey, they're cured. So I would ask you this, how
much pharma is your son on how many pills? God knows. I know
there's about twenty five pill bottles that are lined up in his room right now.
And oh, it's it's insane. Some of them are transition drugs.
Some of them are managing the drama from the transition drugs, and and it's
it's just it's just a hot cocktail. So he is doing the chemical mutilation.
He is doing some things that I don't even know, to be honest.
Oh, by the way, if people don't know, Planned Parenthood has
stepped up and added to their repuqui and they are no longer just in the
abortion business. They are now in the trans business. Oh yeah, so
that is literally where he ended up getting his first cocktails. And this is
a child that used to stand and pray in front of abortion clinics that now
goes there. And this is this is estrogen in the male body. It's
insane. And you're very correct. There's no owner's manual in all this.
Do you God forbid? I mean, I don't know, God forbid your
day coming where you asked him to exit the house? Well, yes,
and that was that was you know, that was that day or you know
any but even in this, y'all, this is where I can't I can't
stress enough. You have to be led by Holy Spirit. You just do
you just do I Again, I had said this. I had given him
ninety days after the alcohol incident and the things that had happened while I was
out of town and my and my daughter was here, and so I said,
you go ninety days, off you go, you know, And not
that I don't love you and I don't care about you. If you need
me, I'll give you a buzz. But but no, you can't live
under my roof and continue down the direction you're you're going, you know.
But again the Holy Spirit's off in my heart and had me offer him the
opportunity to stay for pennies. Really is what it was. And it was
also kind of a forced savings plan for him to help him to exit successfully
here at some point. And so, but so, he had both of
those options on the table, and then come to find out on the day
of move out that he thought he was going into some transitional facility. Again,
these kids get extremely delusional about everything in their lives. Ye, like,
I don't even know how. I mean, I know in the state
of California, they can't fire him for this, And for all the time
he's had out, his job has been probably the only stable thing in his
life. And I thank God for these people, even though I've never met
them. But but they literally become delusional about everything, to the point that
on the day he was supposed to move out, I find I find out
this child only has two hundred dollars to his name. I'm like, where's
your money? What have you done? What's happening? And of course he's,
you know, for the most part, completely in communicato with me because
I'm the enemy. But yeah, and so, so I don't know what's
going to happen as of right now. I talk to the social worker and
guys, here's the other thing you can lovingly not give into this agenda.
The social worker you know, she said, oh, oh, you're here
to talk about and use the female name, and I said, no,
we don't do fairy tales in my house. I'm calling about my son Johns
Caleb. And you know, you can push back lovingly on these people and
they respect that if you do it love. And so we need to learn
how to really make sure that we are in love when we are communicating with
people that really don't have any other choice. By law, they have to
support this hot mess. But anyway, they said, so he called me
and to try to get out and he didn't have a ride, and so
I was talking to his counselor and she's like, well, we're trying to
put him into a thirty day program. I said, well, here's the
deal. I said, you need to understand. I said, he went
through three months of twenty hours a week counseling. I said, he came
out worse on the other end. So I just hope and praying that whenever
you're sending him to will be better than that. You know, and I
mean and again and love have loving conversation with her. So so we don't
know this is y'all, we're just having a party over here. We're on
a journey, and the journey is as much about me as it is about
my son. It's as much about this family and what we've been through is
it is about my child. And we have to remember that when God allows
us to go through these journeys, that they are always for our good and
they are always for His glory. And that's the thing you have to hold
on to, is this is this is for my good. So Daddy showed
me today how this is for my good, and now show me how it's
for your glory. So the timing piece that you mentioned earlier, that was
the last of my surrender pieces because I know this is not the end.
I know the truth. My baby knows the truth, and I know what
God's good plan is for him. And so but I wanted it today.
We all we all wanted today. I wanted. My sole concern is who
wrapped this up? Deb Is is this that that I don't want to I
don't want to get a text for my wife or come home and havever say,
Joshua Caleb took his mom's life and his sister's life. Yeah, that's
not happening. I'm not worried about that. Not worried about that. That's
then God forbid. Yes I would, I would be. We were driven
by the Holy Spirit. We are I'm driven by the Holy Spirit. To
say I would be derelict in my duty as a man. Come on,
I didn't. If I didn't just say that, we're gonna you need to
pray for you. Thank you for telling your story. If Joshua Caleb's ever
in a state of mind where he would accept male some additional male leadership in
his mind, I would love to be able to help you find a church
down there to do that, but it's just not that point, and I
know you can find one on your own. So Deb, I'll pray for
you. God bless you. God bless you for being a happy warrior.
I don't know how you do it other than the spirit. It's my habit
to ask people who come on the show to go with God's good grace,
and I ask you for that. Will continue to hold Joshua Caleb on our
prayers and podcast. Family, Please do pray for Deb Joshua, Caleb,
his sister, but also extend the prayers to all families who are going through
this and for all young men being impacted by an always on pornography society,
because Satan loves porn and he hates you. This is this Todd Hermann show.
Please go, be well, be strong, be kind, and always
wear the armor of gun.