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graphic nature, including descriptions of physical and

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sexual violence against adults, children,
and animals. Listener discretion is advised.

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Hi everyone, I'm Talia and I'm
Tanya, and together we are Crimes and

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Consequences, a true crime podcast.
Hi, everybody, welcome back to Crimes

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in Consequences. I'm Talia and this
is my lovely co host, Tanya.

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Hi, Tanya, we have a
great episode today. I don't know if

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you guys have ever heard of Have
you ever heard of Joseph pl Zinski?

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No? I have not. Well, it's this is a little different than

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what we normally do. We're gonna
go through his life and see how he

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became, who he became, and
how he ended up how he ended up.

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But before we do that, if
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or subscribe button and maybe leave a
knife's comment instead of nasty ones, that'd

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be great. And with that,
I'm gonna put on my glasses. We're

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gonna get started. Okay, So
let me tell you about Joseph. He

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goes by joby okay, and he
was born August fifth, nineteen sixty six,

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in Baltimore, Maryland. As a
child his mom was really loving.

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It was pretty much a normal upbringing. He had a stepdad who loved him.

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Even when his mom and a stepdad
got divorced, his stepdad still remained

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in his life. His real father
abandoned him when he was ten, so

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that would be like one of you
know, the issues he had. But

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he wasn't abused or anything like that. And he had some siblings, so

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he didn't have a whole lot of
childhood trauma. Maybe some sense of abandonment.

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But there was an incident that occurred
when he was fourteen, and I'm

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gonna that's what I'm gonna do,
is I'm gonna describe how he was in

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his life and he's I'm gonna let
you know there's a lot of domestic violence

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involved, and he's in a real
asshole. He's a real asshole. So

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he's fourteen, he h he got
he was in a bus accident, and

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with this accident, he had a
very severe head injury and ever since then,

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that's when his behavior changed. We've
had it in a couple of our

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cases. Yeah, yeah, like
the killer will like get a head injury

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when they're young. Yeah, somebody
needs to really get in an in depth

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study, Well they have frontal lobe
damage. Yeah. So after that is

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when the violence really started. His
tendencies, I mean pretty much right after

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that. For example, he got
really upset with his mom and he was

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like a tornado in the kitchen.
He was yelling, he was screaming,

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he was throwing things. It was
so bad that his mom had to call

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emergency, that she'd call an ambulance
and they had to restrain him and he

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had to be taken to the hospital. So he's fourteen when this happens.

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By the time he was fifteen,
he'd already been arrested several times for minor

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offenses shoplifting. But his violent tendencies
they continued to increase, and they were

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definitely more focused on girls women who
focus his violence on. Yes, women,

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okay, he would eventually use that
head injury to justify his violent outbursts.

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And then when he was seventeen,
his one of his siblings, his

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sister, died in a car accident. Oh, and so that really messed

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him up even more. The doctors
he was going to see doctors, they

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were giving him medications and stuff,
but they couldn't get him right. They

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diagnosed him with bipolar. They gave
him lithium to help, you know,

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treat his bipolar, but it didn't
change anything with him. But for some

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reason he was lucky with the ladies. Girls liked him. He drove a

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Mustang that helped probably, yeah,
yeah, And he was a relatively good

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looking guy. I mean, it's
not my type, but he's a relatively

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good looking guy. His real act
of violence started about the age of seventeen,

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maybe eighteen. He ended up attacking
and assaulting seven women in thirteen years.

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And we're going to go over it, and some of them were just

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new teens. So I'm going to
start with a first. Jobe. You

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know, he goes by Jobe met
Amy Gearhart. She was fifteen and they

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were both at the It was the
Perry Hall High School. He was a

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junior and I believe she was a
sophomore. And he was able to convince

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her parents because he was very charming
that even though she was fifteen, please

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let me pick her up in my
mustang and take her out boy on a

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date. And eventually they were together
for about five months. He took her

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to your prom and they have this
picture and they look cute as buttons,

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but it was really far. By
that point their relationship, he had shown

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signs of being abusive. So during
this five month courtship, Amy noticed another

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side to her boyfriend. And remember
she's only fifteen. For example, Jobe

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kept gun stashed under his bed and
in his car a red flag. All

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right, what what do you do? What do you need that? And

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he once held her at knife point. They put he put a knife to

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her throat. He told her he
had two personalities, Jobe number one,

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and that was a calm and rational
Joby, and Jobe number two and that

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was an angry and strange job She
ever wanted to meet Jobe number two,

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but nothing could prepare Amy for the
job she encountered on July twenty fourth,

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nineteen eighty seven. Here's what happened. She's hanging out with a group of

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kids. They're in a parking lot
near a beach in Ocean City, and

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they're eating ice cream. She was
spending the week in a condo with a

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friend and her friend's family, and
Amy didn't expect to see Joby there.

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He wasn't supposed to be there,
but he showed up when she was feeding

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a bite of ice cream to another
guy. Oh no, she sees Jobe

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coming towards her, and he's pissed. Without explanation, he just knocked her

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to the ground. Friends tried to
intervene, but he was just beating her

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right there in public, just beating
her. Wow. Eventually the police were

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called. And when the police came, he squeezed Amy's hand and he whispered,

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don't tell them anything. Amy's stunned. She's just been beaten in public,

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and she just like didn't say anything. Jobe calmly talked to the officers.

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He said he was looking for his
watch and a ring and he lost

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it in the parking lot and whatever
he said, the police left. He

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walked Amy towards the ocean, and
he ordered her friend's fourteen year old brother,

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his name was Jason, to join
them under threat. He said he

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needed a witness basically, and you're
coming with me to witness me walking with

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Amy. Okay on the beach,
Jobe forced these two teenagers to hold hands

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and walk in front of them like
prisoners, as he would kick and hit

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them to keep moving, like,
keep going, keep going for fourteen and

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fifteen years old, what is this? They walked to what's called the Delaware

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Line. And that was about a
half a mile. And the whole time,

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Jobe is screaming and blaming Amy for
making him lose his ring, which

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he I guess lost when he was
beating her. Beating her Okay, yes,

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it's her fault. And he interrogated
Jason, the fourteen year old,

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and Amy about where the boys were
sleeping and where the girls were sleeping in

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the condominium even though Amy's with her
friend's family. Yeah, and who Amy

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had been with in that past week. He finally eventually forced the two to

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sit on their hands, cross legged
on the sand with their backs to a

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chain link fund. So there's this
chain length fence and while he's their backs

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are to this chain linked fence,
and you know they're sitting there, he's

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pacing back and forth and he's threatening, I'm gonna break your legs. He

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ordered Jason to hit Amy, and
Jason's like, no, I'm not gonna

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hit Amy. Then Jobe grabbed Jason's
hand and he forced Jason to hit her

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in the chest. So he's doing
it right three times. At one point,

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Amy urged Jason, and Jason is
much more scrawny. He was like

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a small fourteen year old just run, just run, run, and he

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ended up getting up and running.
So while she's left alone with Job,

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Jobe's tells her, listen, you're
gonna die, so you can choose how

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you die. Do you want to
drowned? Do you want to choke?

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Or do you want me to beat
you to death? Oh? My god?

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And then, by the way,
I'm going to kill your family.

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Amy's pleading her life, sobbing,
and he's beating her, pounding on her

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chest over and over again and laughing. But then she sees this group of

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men fishing at the water's edge,
and she's thinking, this is my chance,

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right, this is my chance to
escape, and she breaks free.

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She runs up to them. She
grabs a flashlight and she shines it.

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They had a flashlight. She shines
it on her face to show how battered

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she was because he had been beating
her. It was a calm, reasonable

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Job who caught up with her,
and he assured, reassured the fisherman.

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He said, you know, let's
go talk under the street light and let's

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work things out. There's no reason
for you to interfere. And Amy's in

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a daze, and it's like,
probably stunned, right, she probably a

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shock, and she went along with
it. And he ends up talking to

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Jamie or I'm sorry to Amy in
this light by a parking lot, and

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he could see like the extent of
his handiwork. It's her face was just

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battered and he began crying, Oh
really, I'm so sorry. Please forgive

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me. I'll never do it again. Leader. Her family took her to

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a doctor. She and there was
X rays and there were photographs and it

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showed that she had contusions to her
left ear drum, right her left ear

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drum and she couldn't hear out of
it for months. Oh my god.

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Yeah. There were cuts in her
cheeks and her nose, and her right

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eye was hemorrhaging, so it was
it was red. Her rib cages were

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blue bruised. But she told her
mom, I don't want to press charges.

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Well, she was probably terrified of
him, but her mom's like,

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no, we're pressing charges. Amy's
mom later recalled receiving a phone call from

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Jobe's mother. She's like, please
drop the charges against my son. But

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Amy's mom is, no, I'm
not dropping the charge charges, and she

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told her Jobe is abusive and at
some point he's gonna end up killing somebody.

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I mean, r like he's doing
this. So at seventeen, yeah,

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yeah, so they break up.
Thank god that fall Amy was shocked

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when she saw Job with a sixteen
year old girl named Kimberly, and Kimberly

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ended up reaching out to Amy for
advice because she knew Amy was Jovie's ex.

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Jobe had given Kimberly a black eye, and Kimberly was just trying to

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figure out, how did you get
away from him? I can't seem to

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get away from him. Amy told
her that you got to get a restraining

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order and you have to press charges, because that's what she did. Because

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Kimberly and Job's next victim. Then
her name is Sharon, she's seventeen.

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They declined to be interviewed, so
I don't know their last names, but

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they had experiences with Job that they
ended up reporting to the police. And

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there was a document about what happened
to Kimberly. It was filed by Kimberly's

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mother, and this was October eighth
in nineteen eighty seven. It says Joseph

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Plzinski searched through Kim's bedroom without permission
when she was in the shower while searching,

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he found birth control pills and that
made him really angry because he didn't

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want her taking them, Like it's
any of his business why she's taking them,

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number one, or that she's taking
them at all. Yeah, well,

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he's just it's just about control,
right, It's just one percent about

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control. So he starts slapping kim
several times in the face with an open

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hand. He's doing like a front
hand, backhand, and then he punches

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her and he gives her a black
eye, and she had bruises on her

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right and left cheet bones, and
he punched her in the stomach, which

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knocked her to her knees, and
he just threatened her stating that if she

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did do if she didn't do what
he said, that would happen again.

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And then also on the report,
it says Joseph pulled Kimberly into the bathroom

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at his house and at that point
he was living with his grandmother, and

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he told her he wanted to have
sex with her. She refused, and

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he became really angry and very forceful, only punched her with a closed fists

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multiple times in her breastbone. And
then he went into a closet and he

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got a razor blade. He then
proceeded to threaten him, saying, quote,

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if you don't come here and talk
to me, I'll beat you some

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more, whether my grandma's here or
not. Oh. He just doesn't care.

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He doesn't, he doesn't care.
And you know, he wasn't raised

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in a family of violence. That's
that's the biggest thing. He ended up

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being convicted for beating Kim, and
he got sentenced to two years of supervised

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probation. In January of nineteen eighty
nine, he was still facing charges that

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Amy Gearhart's family had filed, and
he pled not guilty by reason of insanity.

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Stop it, Stop it, but
he was found competent. They found

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that he was confident, and he
got sentenced to four years in prison in

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Haggerst and Hagerstown. Is it in
Florida, California? I don't know.

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Oh okay, I don't know.
Okay, okay, okay. He served

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two and he that included some attempted
escape. So that's what ended up why

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he ended up serving too. And
he had regular counseling there and the counselor

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described him as having deliberately sought out
d your situations consistent with a fantasy identity

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as a Rambo like hero. What
what he thinks? He's this big bad

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ass but he's beating but he's yeah, girls, you're not a badass if

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you're beating girls. No, you're
a piece of shit, right right,

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piece of shit? Oh? Absolutely, absolutely Okay. So now when he's

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twenty two, he's released from jail, and this is nineteen ninety one.

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He returned home to live with his
mother and his stepfather, and he worked

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part time at an athletic supply store. He also took lifeguard courses. He's

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gonna save someone's life, isn't that
ironic? Yes? That locked up.

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Yes, he's gonna save someone's life. That's a hero. He's like the

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Rambo. Yeah, jump in,
and he's gonna save hav a little headband

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done like Rambo and saved some lives. Excuse me while I roll my eyes.

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Go ahead, Yeah okay, and
he occasionally did some construction work.

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According to mental health reports, life
at home was strained for him. They

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didn't approve of him being twenty two
dating high school students, and he would

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sometimes sneak them in the house.
Yeah, because he can control them easier,

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right, Yeah, younger. They
are also called rape. Yeah,

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statutory rape. That's the problem.
Yeah, that's a huge problem. He

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was sneaking them in the house.
Yes, high school girls. He's twenty

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two. It's like, come on, grow up. So anyway, he

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in August, hold on, let
me find where I'm at. But August

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he'd moved into an apartment with two
roommates. He was dating a seventeen year

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old named Sharon. And in September, and this is less than six months

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from his release from jail, he
he was warned by the assistant principal at

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Sharon's school, yes, do not
come to the school. And eventually he

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was arrested for attacking Sharon at the
school. Big surprise at the school.

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At the school, he just really
doesn't care. So in one of the

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court documents, and this is dated
November eight, nineteen ninety one, it's

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quote it says, quote, we
were arguing in front of her school.

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I proceeded into the school. You're
twenty two. Oh sorry it was her.

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She proceeded into the school. He
came running after me. He pushed

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me up against the wall. I
pleaded them not hit me. But the

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next thing I knew, I was
on the ground. I'm screaming. He

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also threatened my parents he was going
to kill them and leave me living so

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I could suffer. He said,
if he goes to jail, he will

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kill me or get someone to hurt
me. He's gotten people to come to

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my house before. This is not
the time he's hurt me. But before

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he only pushed me and pulled my
hair. Escally, deskally. So he

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gets out on bail. He was
already to have no contact with Sharon,

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but he he didn't give a fuck. Calling her up, he says,

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hey, I'm gonna blow your brains
out if she didn't drop the charges against

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him. He also, somehow,
while on bail, managed to purchase an

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Inland M one thirty caliber rifle from
a pawn shop. Oh great, yes,

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I mean I don't I don't think
that's a good idea. But well

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no, he thought it was just
he was telling this friend his name was

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George, you know, I got
this gun, and George thought, oh,

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he's just he's just talking big,
and that he had said he was

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gonna go use it to shoot up
people at Sharon's. He told his friend

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there, yeah, and his friend's
like, oh, you're big talk.

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Oh well, you know nobody thinks
that anyone's for real when they say stuff

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like Okay, well you say that
to me. Well, I mean,

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nowadays, I would say if anybody
said, oh, I'm going to go

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shoot up a school, yeah,
I got it gone, and I'm just

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going to start killing people. Oh, you big talker, stop it.

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No, i'd be concerned. People
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nineties. Slightly, but that's true. But I mean it's still something very

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disturbing. Ye here, yeah,
yeah, right, don't ever say that

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shit. No, I won't be
ill carry about it. Don't worry.

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I won't be saying shit. Okay. So Sharon ends up filing additional charges

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for these phone calls, and he
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Baltimore County Detention Center, and the
when he was there, the stuff was

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like, you know what, he
might need a psychiatric evaluation. So he

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got some one place and they sent
him to Spring Grove State Hospital. He

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was diagnosed with bipolar mood disorder and
possible depression. But on December sixteenth of

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nineteen ninety one, two days after
he arrived at the facility, he escaped

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Gray. They must have fabulous security
there he escaped. He escaped, yes,

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and he fled with two identification cards
someone there. So he's a fugitive

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for a month, and he surfaced
in Gooding, Idaho, when a woman

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filed a complaint against him for assaulting
her fifteen year old daughter and threatening to

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kill the girl's brother. There's a
police report and a newspaper article that gave

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the following accounts of what happened while
in Gooding. Police were investigating this mother's

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accusations, and it was Maryland,
not Florida. Maryland State Police alerted their

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counterparts in Idaho that Jobe was believed
be fighting out and Gooding. I don't

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know what his tie was to Gooding, but they said the man's unstable and

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possibly armed, this time with a
nine millimeter handgun and a shotgun. On

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the morning of January seventeenth, he
barricaded himself alone in an apartment and told

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police negotiators that he would kill himself
and shoot people in a nearby parking lot

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if the police moved. Okay,
so he's completely lost it. He's very

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It was sixteen hours that he did
this and a swat team hit the apartment

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with tear gas and he was eventually
taken out and brought back to Maryland.

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Let's put in jail. He gets, he's in jail, and then a

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year he left jail. And when
this was I'm sorry, this was less

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than a year of him like doing
all of this. He now faced charges

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for federal gun laws and battering and
threatening Sharon, and for escaping. Yeah,

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I was gonna say what about escaping. Any conviction would have put him

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back in prison unless he was deemed
incompetent insane, Yeah, incompetent. So

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he had another mental health evaluation taking
place, like it took place, and

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this one was federally done, and
the psychologists, and while he was being

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evaluated, he told the psychologists anyways, say this with a straight face,

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that he purchased the gun from a
pawnshop to kill the ninjas. Stop it,

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stop it. You know. He
just said that. At first,

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appear like he's insane. Ninjas were
trying to kill him. Stop it,

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stap it, joby. And then
he ended up cutting his wrists twice,

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once deeply in off that required stitches, and he told the psychologist that it

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was the voices in his head.
Bullshit. Yeah, he's playing he's totally

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yeah, because he knows he's going
back to prison. Yeah, he's playing

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the system, he later boasted,
Yeah, I was just playing the system.

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Federal psychologists diagnosed him with schizophrenia because
they because they believe, yeah,

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paranoid type personality disorder, and but
that he met the criteria of legal insanity.

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He did, Yes, he did. So he's found out guilty and

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the weapon charges. I'm pissed right
now. I guess he was good.

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Yeah, and what he did,
he played it up, plaid it up.

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He won fifty months later after court
ordered treatment. Mm hmm, he's

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all cured now. Yeah. He
They made him on medication, sure they

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they, I'm sure they did.
He had a complete recovery. That's it

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matters. But like if you're taking
medication and you don't have that mental disorder,

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like if you're not schizophrenic and you're
done schizophrenic medication, is they going

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to do something? Got it?
Okay? Okay, just fit me a

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second, All right, I'm jump
I'm just I'm thinking, I'm thinking out

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loud here. According to he had
he had more. You know, he's

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seeing a psychologist, psychiatrist, and
he's twenty five now, and he was

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extremely stable, extremely stable, and
that's why they said he was cured.

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No bizarre no evidence of bizarre behavior
or vitalizations, which might be indicative of

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delusional thinking. Okay, yeah,
because he doesn't have it in the beginning,

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he's cleared his head to start with. They didn't know they hadn't take

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it as medication for more than a
year. Oh that's what happens. Yeah,

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I mean, aren't they supposed to
be watching you take it on your

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Oh I don't know, Like,
oh, okay, so he wasn't taking

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it. That makes that makes sin
taking it, thank you. So he

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ends up being able to go home, and he was free to choose his

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next victim. It's the summer of
nineteen ninety five and forty two year old

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Gary Osborne is getting really concerned about
who his daughter, teen daughter Michelle,

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is dating. He didn't trust this
guy. Jobe was a nice looking man

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and he had a fancy sports car. I don't know how he's getting all

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his money, by the way,
Like, who's being for this fancy sports

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car? I didn't have a fancy
You had a Mustang, didn't you.

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Yeah, but I was like thirty, Oh okay, because my car was

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like no, I had piece of
shit. Ye had a piece of shit.

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Mine was a Toyota Corolla and it
was like he had twelve hundred dollars.

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My first car was a dad Shadow. Do you remember? Of course

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I did, of course I do. So. Jobe was polite and he

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seemed very devoted to Michelle. She's
seventeen years old and she had a daughter

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already, and he was really good. He was really good to the daughter.

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But he didn't have a job.
And Gary was like, hmm,

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why don't you have a job,
right, And he had said that he

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was I believe twenty two, and
Gary just thought, you know what,

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you look older than twenty two.
And then he noticed that Jobe was becoming

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more controlling. Gary found him hiding
in the bushes outside of the Osborne's house.

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Okay, that would be the end. Yeah, yeah, right,

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what are we doing in my bushes? You're what pulling weeds? What are

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we doing here? Buddy? Now? Like, why are you in my

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bushes? And he would peer through
the windows when she was when she was

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talking on the phone, and just
like, okay, this is not okay.

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And then one day Gary saw bruises
on his daughter and that was it,

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Like he's done and he questioned Michelle
about it, and they argued.

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It turned out that Joby at this
point was twenty seven and as far as

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the bruises, Michelle told her father
that she'd gotten them from falling off a

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ladder. Oh girl, don't.
Yeah, her mom had scared. Her

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mom had a cleaning business, and
I guess she would be on a ladder.

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And she said, oh it happened. But he wasn't stupid. Gary

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wasn't stupid. No, the kid's
in the bushes. He's not a kid.

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He's sat twenty seventy's in the bushes
looking through their windows. Now,

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now, now what's up? Dead
knows what's up. But before I tell

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you more, we're gonna take a
quick break. One day in July,

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when Gary, Gary ended up ordering
Jobe get out of my house, like

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get out, and Gary's slender.
He was small. It's a hundred twenty

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five pounds, Like I'm bigger than
Gary. Yeah. But a fight ensued

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and it ended up that Gary went
to the hospital with four broken ribs and

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a split lip that he had to
have stitches or he didn't press charges because

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he didn't want any more trouble.
But then he would change his mind later

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because Jobe ended up beating up Michella
on Christmas night, she still saw she'd

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spent the holiday with Jobi, visiting
his family as well as hers, and

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I'm sure her parents were not aware. Like he's beating up dad. Dad's

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going to the hospital. I mean, I'm just guessing. At the end

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of the day, tired, she
just wanted to go to her parents' house

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instead of going back to Jobe's apartment. And this made job mad. Everything

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makes it, yeah, everything makes
it Yeah. He's an asshole. Everything

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makes it mad, and things got
out of hand. He ended up choking

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her. He slammed her head against
some shower towel tiles. He scratched his

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She scratched at his face, and
it ended up like she's staining the blood

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stained the white sweatshirt she had given
him, and Yob yelled that she had

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ten minutes to remove the blood from
his sweatshirt or he would give her the

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beating of her life. And she's
desperate, she's freaking out, so she

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soaked it in cold water with some
ice and she's rubbing the stains, but

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it wasn't enough. She couldn't get
it out, so he just he just

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beat her, beat her, Yeah, and then he ordered her to go

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into the kitchen and to pick up
a knife. Then he put a cloth

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over his own hand. He took
it, and he took the knife from

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her, and he said, I
could kill you right now. My fingerprints

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wouldn't be on it, only yours. So that's why he had her grab

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the knife. All I have to
do is tell the police you try to

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kill me with this knife, and
then I killed you in self defense.

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Yeah, I'm sure that would fly
with his history of domestic vi but yeah,

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okay, she's not thinking that at
that much, right, Yeah,

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I'm sure she's scared. She just
scared. He just beat Yeah, he

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just beat her horribly. He eventually
fall asleep because he's tired. Yeah,

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you know. She laid beside him
and she's shivering. She's certain if she

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moves the wrong way, he's just
gonna kill her. But I mean,

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she's thinking, how can I get
away from him? The next morning,

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when he woke up, he was
more calm, he'd calmed down, he

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had a good night's rest, and
she begged, basically, Michelle begged to

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have him take her to work.
She told him over and over again,

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I love you so much. I
would never leave you. I'd never go

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to the cops. And then she
reminded him that, you know, you

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don't have a job. I do, so, yeah, so I need

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to go to work so we can
have some money. So he drove her

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to the video store because she worked
there too. You know, she helped

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her mom out, but she worked
at the video store. And then you

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watched her from his car for a
while. But eventually he left and Michella

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took a cab and she went to
her parents. When Gary Osborne saw his

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daughter, yeah, he went to
the police. But Jobe's mom had called

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him later, please, she's she's
enabling him. I don't know. She's

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like, he's on probation, he'll
go back to jail. And Gary was

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like, no, I'm calling the
police now. Jobe gets arrested. He's

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a waiting trial in the He's in
the Baltimore County Detention Center. And Joby

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made a plan. He was determined
to change Gary's mind, and he had

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friends that would help Joe. Just
you know, job rarely, if ever,

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dated just one girl, and he
always had girls teens around him.

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If one girlfriend filed assault charges against
him, two or three other women would

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always go to the police and say, you know, she's a liar,

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she's making it all up. We
know we where his friends, we've seen

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them together. It's the fall of
nineteen ninety five when things with Michelle restrained.

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Joby stuck up this friendship with a
teenager from Pasadena Mark Passid, Yeah,

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Passatina. Her name was Lisa Anderson. She's seventeen. She's a junior

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at Chesapeake Senior High School. He
told her he was twenty two. Man,

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he's working that twenty two never gonna
get I always said I was twenty

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one plus nine plus ten plus whatever. Suddenly though, so this Lisa is

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liking him, thinking he's great,
and he's all of a sudden put in

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Baltimore County Detention Center. He says
he was taking there in false charges because

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Michelle and Michelle Osbourne had been cheating
on him. He explained, and he

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found out and all he did was
pusher, that's all. And Lisa believed

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00:36:39.719 --> 00:36:45.360
him, and she was really devoted
to helping keep his spirits up. And

407
00:36:45.400 --> 00:36:53.360
he would call her collect from jail
every day morning midday afternoon. She started

408
00:36:53.360 --> 00:36:58.760
skipping school so she could spend more
time talking to him. I bet that

409
00:36:58.800 --> 00:37:04.880
phone bill, oh man. She
felt that they were partners in this.

410
00:37:06.239 --> 00:37:08.880
Then she dropped out of school and
she moved in with a woman or a

411
00:37:10.280 --> 00:37:19.280
friend of Jobey's name Ramona Contrino,
and Contrino was driving his that's a three

412
00:37:19.400 --> 00:37:23.239
hundred z X. That a Mustang, Mazda, Mazda, that's a Mazda

413
00:37:23.360 --> 00:37:30.159
while he was in jail. And
that's when Joby began his campaign to intimidate

414
00:37:30.199 --> 00:37:37.039
the Osbourne's into dropping Michelle's charges.
He accused his former girlfriend of theft,

415
00:37:37.320 --> 00:37:46.800
he identifying her as an adult on
his charges right scratch that. Sorry,

416
00:37:46.800 --> 00:37:52.639
you're gonna have to added that he
accused her of faft, but that failed,

417
00:37:53.039 --> 00:37:57.920
and then he filed charges against Gary
Osbourne. Oh remember I told you

418
00:37:58.760 --> 00:38:01.480
they got to that fight. He's
filing assault charges. He said that Gary

419
00:38:01.480 --> 00:38:07.360
threatened to kill my family and blow
my house up in my cars. Gary

420
00:38:07.480 --> 00:38:14.599
responded by filing filing charges against Jobe
for the same incident. And the very

421
00:38:14.639 --> 00:38:19.119
next morning, Gary woke up and
his pickup truck had been vandalized. All

422
00:38:19.199 --> 00:38:23.199
four tires were flat, there were
deep scratches in the paint, and someone

423
00:38:23.239 --> 00:38:30.280
poured ten pounds of sugar and his
guesting, but they didn't drop their charges,

424
00:38:30.280 --> 00:38:37.559
so Jobey up the annie. He
asked Lisa Anderson to accuse Gary Osborne

425
00:38:37.599 --> 00:38:42.840
of threatening to blow up her house
and kill her if she testified on Jobe's

426
00:38:42.880 --> 00:38:47.079
by app. That's when Lisa was
like, you know this is I don't

427
00:38:47.119 --> 00:38:52.800
know, but he yelled at her
through the phone, Lise, you're gonna

428
00:38:52.840 --> 00:38:58.239
do it, and you're gonna do
it now. You have my car and

429
00:38:58.280 --> 00:39:00.400
you're riding around in it. You
do it now or I'm gonna kill you.

430
00:39:00.800 --> 00:39:04.840
Oh, you have fifteen minutes to
go down there, pick up the

431
00:39:04.880 --> 00:39:09.880
papers, file a report, and
call me. She faked filing the report,

432
00:39:10.559 --> 00:39:17.639
faked official signatures, and she wrote
down what she had told what he

433
00:39:17.679 --> 00:39:23.719
had told her, and mailed it
off. But there's a long story short.

434
00:39:24.079 --> 00:39:27.360
Jobea is like, you lie to
me. You're a liar. This

435
00:39:27.440 --> 00:39:29.320
is a game. You think this
is game. I'm gonna kill you.

436
00:39:29.320 --> 00:39:35.000
I'm gonna kill your family. He's
on that again. Yeah, So she

437
00:39:35.119 --> 00:39:40.920
ended up filing charges against him,
which can't She's only seventeen anyway. She

438
00:39:42.079 --> 00:39:46.679
wrote quote Sunday, March thirty first, nineteen ninety six. At twelve pm,

439
00:39:46.880 --> 00:39:51.960
I received my first phone call from
defendant Gary Osbourne. He said,

440
00:39:53.039 --> 00:39:58.800
Hey, when I say file charges, I mean she filed charges against Gary.

441
00:39:58.840 --> 00:40:01.440
Oh she did. Yeah, hey, little bitch, go ahead and

442
00:40:01.480 --> 00:40:06.800
testify for Joe. And I replied, who is this and he responded,

443
00:40:06.800 --> 00:40:09.440
this is Gary Osborne. If I'm
gonna threaten someone, then tell you who

444
00:40:09.519 --> 00:40:15.159
it is. Yeah, Michelle's fucking
father. Yeah. Oh he said that,

445
00:40:15.639 --> 00:40:17.920
mm hmm. Then she said later
that afternoon she got another phone call

446
00:40:19.440 --> 00:40:22.119
and he said, go ahead and
mess with my family, bitch. I'll

447
00:40:22.159 --> 00:40:24.840
fucking kill you and blow up your
fucking house. So go ahead, bitch,

448
00:40:25.039 --> 00:40:30.199
and then it's all over for you. Probably what Joby said to her.

449
00:40:30.480 --> 00:40:36.079
So guess who got arrested, Gary, Gary for charging for charges of

450
00:40:36.119 --> 00:40:42.039
making bomb threats and obscene comment over
the phone. He was handcuffed, he

451
00:40:42.280 --> 00:40:45.800
was yes and driven to the police
station, where he stayed until his wife

452
00:40:45.800 --> 00:40:50.559
could post bail. MO ridiculous,
I know what the fuck is this shit?

453
00:40:53.719 --> 00:40:58.480
So messed up? Now? He
three more times that month he was

454
00:40:58.599 --> 00:41:07.239
arrested on similar charges is filed by
Ramona Contrino's sister Carla, and he got

455
00:41:07.280 --> 00:41:14.039
taken away in handcuffs three times,
three times, and they had raised money

456
00:41:14.039 --> 00:41:22.599
for his bail. Gary actually had
something he put when he was in jail

457
00:41:22.840 --> 00:41:30.280
on him that said, please keep
me away from Joby Helazinski. He's a

458
00:41:30.320 --> 00:41:34.559
prisoner here, really and you would
tell all the guards that. Wow.

459
00:41:35.440 --> 00:41:42.199
Michelle pleaded, Dad, let's strap
these charges. But Gary's like, no,

460
00:41:42.199 --> 00:41:46.400
no, no, nope, we're
going for it. Eventually, the

461
00:41:46.440 --> 00:41:52.800
false charges against Gary were dismissed.
The ones from Carla Katrino. She admitted

462
00:41:52.840 --> 00:42:00.760
she lied, yeah, and also
implicated Lisa Anderson for lying. Gary ended

463
00:42:00.840 --> 00:42:06.639
up suing them. Oh good,
Yeah, but his biggest worry was Jobe.

464
00:42:06.719 --> 00:42:13.719
Yeah, he would be free.
Job pled guilty to the charges of

465
00:42:13.760 --> 00:42:20.599
battery he did and witness intimidation,
but he got a suspended sentence. He

466
00:42:20.719 --> 00:42:25.199
did. Unbelieved he did. He
was put on probation in order to stay

467
00:42:25.199 --> 00:42:31.280
away from Michelle Osborne and her family. Oh that'll stop him. Gary ended

468
00:42:31.360 --> 00:42:38.920
up cutting down all the bushes in
front of his house. Yeah, how

469
00:42:39.239 --> 00:42:44.639
how does it get away with this? With all of the stuff he's done,

470
00:42:45.400 --> 00:42:49.280
Like I just unbelievable. So now
we're in the summer of nineteen ninety

471
00:42:49.320 --> 00:42:53.079
six and there is a sixteen year
old. Her name is Stacy Kulaa.

472
00:42:54.079 --> 00:43:00.840
She's pumping gas at this store.
She's got a white three hundred ZX sports

473
00:43:00.840 --> 00:43:05.239
car. Oh, she's probably get
at the store. And then this white

474
00:43:06.280 --> 00:43:10.480
Mazda three hundred x X sports car
pulls up and she notices this good looking

475
00:43:10.519 --> 00:43:15.199
guy. Yeah, who's thirty five. At this point, I know he's

476
00:43:15.239 --> 00:43:17.760
not easy. I know he's not
that old. But Stacy's like, I

477
00:43:17.880 --> 00:43:22.000
like your wheels. And he introduced
himself and said he had a set of

478
00:43:22.119 --> 00:43:28.320
rooms and tires he was trying to
sell. So Stacy went to Jobe's house,

479
00:43:28.960 --> 00:43:31.280
like, look in the exchange phone
numbers. Of course. Man.

480
00:43:31.400 --> 00:43:37.599
Next thing, you know, they're
dating and she's telling, Stacy is telling.

481
00:43:37.559 --> 00:43:42.719
He's telling Stacy everything she want to
hear, making her feel more grown

482
00:43:42.800 --> 00:43:46.880
up than she is. On her
seventeenth birthday, they've only been dating two

483
00:43:46.880 --> 00:43:52.360
weeks. He showered her with expensive
gifts and she ended up hiding them from

484
00:43:52.360 --> 00:43:55.800
her parents because she knew. I'm
like, where is he getting his money?

485
00:43:55.920 --> 00:44:00.960
I don't know, I know,
outside jobs. I guess construction.

486
00:44:02.400 --> 00:44:07.159
She was enamored. But he's twenty
seven, and you know he's on a

487
00:44:07.199 --> 00:44:13.079
suspended sentence for battering Michelle. Yeah, or a real charmer who just lived

488
00:44:13.360 --> 00:44:19.440
a few blocks down. He told
Stacy was twenty, and he'd done some

489
00:44:19.519 --> 00:44:22.920
bad stuff in his background. Yeah, but badass. She figured people changed.

490
00:44:22.920 --> 00:44:28.679
Oh, sure, it didn't matter
because if you love if you love

491
00:44:28.760 --> 00:44:30.519
him enough, right, she's in. She's going to be the one to

492
00:44:30.599 --> 00:44:37.400
change him. Yes. Her parents
weren't as convinced. They're like, there's

493
00:44:37.480 --> 00:44:42.320
no way he's twenty, with all
the crows feet, with all the wrinkles,

494
00:44:42.920 --> 00:44:49.159
and it did not sit well with
them. And then they discovered that

495
00:44:49.239 --> 00:44:51.840
he'd been in the county jail.
And she just said, oh, it's

496
00:44:51.840 --> 00:44:55.000
a jealous ex girlfriend. And her
parents were like no, no, So

497
00:44:55.039 --> 00:45:00.400
now she has to sneak out behind
their backs. And Joe he helped her.

498
00:45:00.440 --> 00:45:02.960
He'd pick her up in different cars
her her parents wouldn't suspect, like,

499
00:45:04.000 --> 00:45:07.239
they knew what his car was,
so it's a different car. She

500
00:45:07.599 --> 00:45:15.719
he persuaded her friends to lie about
where Stacy was. One night, Stacey

501
00:45:15.840 --> 00:45:20.079
told Jobe that her dad had found
out some bad things about it, and

502
00:45:20.079 --> 00:45:23.480
that he knew about the charges and
there was assault and battery and even a

503
00:45:23.559 --> 00:45:30.639
kidnapping and he actually thought it was
kind of funny because if she knew all

504
00:45:30.679 --> 00:45:34.119
the things he'd done, He's like
in his mind, he's like, that's

505
00:45:34.159 --> 00:45:42.000
all you know, that's nothing.
Jobe tells Stacy to start recording her parents'

506
00:45:42.599 --> 00:45:45.800
conversations. He needed to find out
how much they knew what they were planning

507
00:45:45.800 --> 00:45:50.639
on doing to stop them from being
together. He said, I'm going to

508
00:45:50.719 --> 00:45:54.360
find out your dad's sources so he
ain't pull nothing on me. He's gonna

509
00:45:54.400 --> 00:45:58.599
make me moved of phase three.
He don't want me to do that.

510
00:45:59.400 --> 00:46:02.119
I'll know everything about him. I'll
know where his mind's at. I'll start

511
00:46:02.119 --> 00:46:07.320
putting him under vealance. What you
don't think that? And she doesn't think

512
00:46:07.360 --> 00:46:12.920
this is weird, Come on,
girl, I don't know. I mean,

513
00:46:13.119 --> 00:46:15.679
it was possessive and she was under
his at this point. He would

514
00:46:15.719 --> 00:46:20.639
pull her out of school, and
he had all these rules and told her

515
00:46:20.679 --> 00:46:24.960
there would be severe consequences if she
didn't follow the I mean, he pulled

516
00:46:25.000 --> 00:46:29.159
cigarettes out of her mouth, he
grabbed her by the neck, he slammed

517
00:46:29.199 --> 00:46:32.239
her against a wall. And she's
just seventeen. Yeah, she's just the

518
00:46:32.360 --> 00:46:37.679
kid. And now she's going to
record her parents. At one point,

519
00:46:38.519 --> 00:46:40.800
Stacy said she didn't want to see
him anymore, and he tried to run

520
00:46:40.840 --> 00:46:46.559
her and her friend off the road. His moods were shifting always, he

521
00:46:46.639 --> 00:46:52.360
was unpredictable. It was his anger. For example, five minutes after slamming

522
00:46:52.480 --> 00:46:53.840
her against a window, he would
say, do you want me to make

523
00:46:53.880 --> 00:47:01.719
you a dinner? He prepared one
time after smashing her head again, so

524
00:47:01.880 --> 00:47:07.079
fucking wall. He made steak,
mashed potatoes, corn on the cob,

525
00:47:07.199 --> 00:47:12.760
and he lit some candles. How
romantic. But that's that cycle. Yeah,

526
00:47:12.960 --> 00:47:16.320
that's that cycle of abuse. Right, He's sorry he didn't you know.

527
00:47:16.960 --> 00:47:21.000
Now he's making it up to her. Yeah, yeah, I mean

528
00:47:21.039 --> 00:47:28.760
she was under his thun thumb and
his again. His parents had forbid her

529
00:47:28.800 --> 00:47:38.760
from seeing them in they felt he
was an abuser. So in August Vince

530
00:47:38.840 --> 00:47:43.440
Kalotta told Joby, you need to
stay away, like permanently, stay away

531
00:47:43.440 --> 00:47:49.360
from my daughter. And in September
he filed PPO. In November, the

532
00:47:49.400 --> 00:47:53.880
Clutters got lucky. He went to
jail. He ended up being convicted for

533
00:47:54.400 --> 00:48:01.199
like probation violation and all these things, it doesn't matter. From jail,

534
00:48:01.280 --> 00:48:06.960
he told his mother to hand deliver
a letter to Stacy where she worked,

535
00:48:07.480 --> 00:48:10.239
and his mother stood in the isle
of Safeway while the teenager read it,

536
00:48:10.480 --> 00:48:16.360
and then her mom took it back. She'd promise her son Stacy's parents wouldn't

537
00:48:16.360 --> 00:48:20.880
get their hands on that letter.
He promised he'd never let her go.

538
00:48:21.199 --> 00:48:27.199
In the letter and better what,
they would always be together, and he

539
00:48:27.280 --> 00:48:31.480
knew Stacy would wait for him after
he finished his jail. Sons they were

540
00:48:31.480 --> 00:48:35.960
going to move to Florida and they
were gonna get married, and she felt

541
00:48:35.960 --> 00:48:43.280
hopeful she did. He considered her
a joke, to be honest. He'd

542
00:48:43.320 --> 00:48:45.719
written other women saying she's just a
joke and he's just giving her what she

543
00:48:45.760 --> 00:48:53.840
wants to hear anyway, master manipulator, he wrote in a letter of this

544
00:48:53.920 --> 00:48:59.000
is so gross. If you tell
a girl what she wants to hear,

545
00:48:59.119 --> 00:49:02.239
he wrote, you could fuck all
of them, and that's what I was

546
00:49:02.280 --> 00:49:07.599
doing for the past ten years.
Oh, it's not just what you tell

547
00:49:07.639 --> 00:49:12.280
them about how you are and where
you tell them. The only higher part

548
00:49:12.320 --> 00:49:16.079
is remembering the lies. I'm sure
you get the point. I edited up

549
00:49:16.159 --> 00:49:20.960
all the girls I fucked, and
I fucked one hundred and forty two girls

550
00:49:21.000 --> 00:49:27.039
and thirty eight of them were virgins. Eh. Wow, he actually wrote

551
00:49:27.039 --> 00:49:32.920
that to Stacy. He wrote it
to Stacy. He did when she didn't

552
00:49:32.920 --> 00:49:39.159
want anything to do with him.
Strange cars began racing past Stacy's house.

553
00:49:39.920 --> 00:49:44.199
There was a guy in a green
Mitsubishi, one of the cars Joe he

554
00:49:44.239 --> 00:49:47.239
had borrowed to remember I told you
to fool her parents. Yes, and

555
00:49:47.280 --> 00:49:51.960
it was waiting for her at the
parking lot one night after work and often

556
00:49:52.000 --> 00:49:57.039
would follow her home. She found
messages on her windshield. They were cryptic.

557
00:49:58.199 --> 00:50:02.679
She received phone calls and they would
hang up, and then shortly after,

558
00:50:02.719 --> 00:50:06.199
one of Jobe's friends took her out
to dinner. I don't know why

559
00:50:06.199 --> 00:50:09.480
she's still hanging out with one of
her friends, but her pager began receiving

560
00:50:09.519 --> 00:50:17.239
code of messages. Watch your backbitch, I'm coming back for you. And

561
00:50:17.320 --> 00:50:22.960
Diana. Her mom ended up writing
the Victim Notification Services Division. You know

562
00:50:22.960 --> 00:50:27.519
how they have victim advocates. How
does he get away with this? He's

563
00:50:27.599 --> 00:50:31.920
leaving notes you know, I'm afraid
of sassed. Yeah, and Stacy's mom

564
00:50:32.360 --> 00:50:39.239
started collecting driver like license plate numbers
and any information so she could figure out

565
00:50:39.239 --> 00:50:45.480
who, like, what was going
on and then eventually, Jobe was released

566
00:50:45.000 --> 00:50:52.039
from prison on June twentieth, nineteen
ninety eight, and Stacy was just one

567
00:50:52.079 --> 00:50:55.639
of his many girlfriends. He had
a new sports car how I know how,

568
00:50:55.880 --> 00:51:00.159
I don't know, Amasa RX seven. And he was romancing a woman

569
00:51:00.239 --> 00:51:07.159
he met in the checkout line at
Super Fresh, Tracy Whitehead. And she

570
00:51:07.360 --> 00:51:10.239
was legal, Oh she was.
She's twenty years old. Oh my god,

571
00:51:10.360 --> 00:51:14.079
she's an old woman. She's an
old woman compared to who he is.

572
00:51:14.159 --> 00:51:19.840
Yes to date, So he's dating
Stacy, and that would be the

573
00:51:19.920 --> 00:51:25.039
catalyst to where we get to the
real true crime where people are murdered.

574
00:51:27.360 --> 00:51:31.519
Tracy and Jobie were in a relationship
for eighteen months, and it's just like

575
00:51:31.559 --> 00:51:35.639
all the other ones he had.
At first, he sweeps her off her

576
00:51:35.639 --> 00:51:38.960
feet, they're madly in love,
and then he just treats her like shit,

577
00:51:40.159 --> 00:51:45.920
like shit. He was violent,
he was jealous, he's abusive,

578
00:51:45.079 --> 00:51:52.159
all of that, controlling, controlling, probably isolating her too. Probably she

579
00:51:52.199 --> 00:51:55.639
stood by him, you know,
And I mean she felt like her life

580
00:51:55.679 --> 00:52:02.239
was better when she started dating him. After all, she'd stopped missing.

581
00:52:02.280 --> 00:52:06.599
I don't know, she was drug
free, and I guess she used to

582
00:52:06.599 --> 00:52:09.119
be on drugs, and I guess
she was clean and I don't know,

583
00:52:09.679 --> 00:52:13.880
man. But then the abuse got
worse and she broke up with him.

584
00:52:13.880 --> 00:52:19.519
In March of two thousand. She
felt he was finally going to be held

585
00:52:19.880 --> 00:52:24.639
accountable for his actions because she went
to the police and she told the police

586
00:52:24.840 --> 00:52:30.639
all these assaults he'd done to her. But guess what. He got arrested

587
00:52:30.800 --> 00:52:36.159
and he got released the very next
day. I'm bond. Yeah. Great.

588
00:52:36.559 --> 00:52:38.960
He givins a neighbor to buy him
a shotgun, oh no, and

589
00:52:39.000 --> 00:52:43.440
a rifle the next day after he
got out of jail. After he got

590
00:52:43.440 --> 00:52:49.280
out of jail, Tracy is staying
with neighbors. Their names were George and

591
00:52:49.360 --> 00:52:52.280
Gloria Schenk, and they wanted to
just shelter. They wanted to help her,

592
00:52:52.400 --> 00:52:59.159
They wanted to shelter her from him. It was March seventh, two

593
00:52:59.159 --> 00:53:04.400
thousand. Zobe showed up at the
Shank home. He's just he's begging Tracy,

594
00:53:04.480 --> 00:53:07.840
please talk to me, Please talk
to me, but she refused.

595
00:53:08.360 --> 00:53:13.559
Two hours later, he showed up
to their home again. He forced himself

596
00:53:14.039 --> 00:53:22.079
inside and demanded Tracy leave with him, and then he shot and killed Gloria

597
00:53:22.159 --> 00:53:25.880
and George shank. Oh no,
in front of her, I'm sure.

598
00:53:28.760 --> 00:53:34.239
And all they were trying to do
was protect her. She killed them.

599
00:53:35.400 --> 00:53:40.440
Another neighbor hears this commotion. His
name was David Myers, and he runs

600
00:53:40.679 --> 00:53:46.400
to try to go to the scene, and Joby sh and Jobe shoots him

601
00:53:46.639 --> 00:53:52.840
too. Then he took Tracy and
he kidnapped her, and he threatened to

602
00:53:52.920 --> 00:53:54.719
kill her the whole time while she
was in his car. Oh and I'm

603
00:53:54.760 --> 00:53:58.679
sure she thought, well, she
was as good as Dad. I mean,

604
00:53:58.840 --> 00:54:04.480
I mean he just killed George and
Gloria. He drove her to the

605
00:54:04.519 --> 00:54:09.559
woods, and then he put a
ring on her finger, admitting are you

606
00:54:09.599 --> 00:54:15.519
ready for this? Admitting it's bad
timing? But would she marry him?

607
00:54:15.559 --> 00:54:22.599
Are you kidding? Kidding? He's
crazy? I know this is bad time.

608
00:54:22.719 --> 00:54:25.519
I know this is really bad timing. It's probably a little awkward.

609
00:54:25.599 --> 00:54:30.000
Yeah, you know, I mean, I get it. But would you

610
00:54:30.119 --> 00:54:31.320
like to be with me the rest
of my life? Yeah? Fuck no,

611
00:54:35.239 --> 00:54:40.559
it's it's just it's it's unbelievable.
Unbelievable is a very good word to

612
00:54:40.559 --> 00:54:46.400
describe it. It's fucked up.
Yeah. Then he raped her m because

613
00:54:46.440 --> 00:54:51.320
she was saying, no, oh
man, you know, I'm a little

614
00:54:51.360 --> 00:54:53.639
young, I'm gone through some stuff. Yeah, no, thank you,

615
00:54:53.960 --> 00:54:59.880
no, thank you. So they
roamed around the woods for two days and

616
00:55:00.000 --> 00:55:05.719
and then later he stopped at a
motel and Joby realized that his face was

617
00:55:05.880 --> 00:55:12.880
all over the news for triple homicide, triple homicide. So they laughed and

618
00:55:13.079 --> 00:55:15.239
they were in the parking lot and
a police car just happened to drive by

619
00:55:16.079 --> 00:55:22.320
and Tracy. They're getting to leave, and Tracy takes off, running full

620
00:55:22.400 --> 00:55:29.800
force, screaming for help. She
ended up getting away safely for the time

621
00:55:29.840 --> 00:55:34.679
being. And Joby he'd taken off
and he's now on the run, and

622
00:55:34.719 --> 00:55:45.840
there's this man hunt. After Joby
takes off, he does a carjacking and

623
00:55:45.000 --> 00:55:51.320
he killed a thirty six year old
pregnant mother. Oh, her name was

624
00:55:51.400 --> 00:55:58.239
Jennifer MacDonald. She was shot.
And then he threatened a man named William

625
00:55:58.360 --> 00:56:04.840
Terrell at gunpoint, and he had
Terrell drive him to Baltimore. He eventually

626
00:56:04.960 --> 00:56:13.079
let him go after Terrell went to
a sporting goods store and bought him some

627
00:56:13.119 --> 00:56:17.519
camping equipment. He let him go. So he's on the run. There's

628
00:56:17.559 --> 00:56:22.840
this man hunt for him. I
mean, he just like I like,

629
00:56:22.480 --> 00:56:30.000
I'm skipping over Jennifer MacDonald. Yeah, but she was pregnant, she had

630
00:56:30.079 --> 00:56:36.320
kids, and he just because he
wanted her car, and it's just really

631
00:56:37.159 --> 00:56:39.199
it's just really upsetting to me.
Yeah, there's just lots of things about

632
00:56:39.239 --> 00:56:45.119
the story that are very upsetting and
not a you know, domestic violence.

633
00:56:46.599 --> 00:56:51.719
It's very upsetting to me. But
so now we're at Friday, It's March

634
00:56:51.760 --> 00:56:58.960
seventeenth, and he's surprised investigators when
he penetrated a barrier and fled to nearby

635
00:56:59.239 --> 00:57:05.840
Dundalt, to the home of Tracy
Whitehead's mother Lynn, Oh my god,

636
00:57:06.000 --> 00:57:08.679
and her She lived with her boyfriend
Andrew McCord and their twelve year old son,

637
00:57:08.719 --> 00:57:17.719
Bradley McCord. He held them for
ninety seven hours hostage in their home.

638
00:57:19.920 --> 00:57:24.920
Ninety seven hours. Yeah, the
police are out there, there's negotiators,

639
00:57:24.960 --> 00:57:30.840
they're trying to get them to come
out. At ninety seven hours,

640
00:57:30.519 --> 00:57:37.079
he keeps that family in terror.
Terror once a twelve year old, right,

641
00:57:37.280 --> 00:57:43.440
it just ignored everything. The occasionally
he would fire shots at the police

642
00:57:43.880 --> 00:57:50.440
or neighboring apartments. So there's this
big standoff. No one was permitted to

643
00:57:50.559 --> 00:57:53.920
leave the neighborhood, right, right, can't go to work. No,

644
00:57:53.960 --> 00:57:58.199
because there's a hostage situation. Oh
my god, can you believe can you

645
00:57:58.199 --> 00:58:01.000
imagine calling into her there's a house
situation in my neighborhood and I can't leave.

646
00:58:01.239 --> 00:58:06.920
Ninety seven hours, no one was
permitted to go. They called it

647
00:58:07.000 --> 00:58:15.039
the kill zone. Oh. All
residents were asked to stay at They tried

648
00:58:15.079 --> 00:58:17.920
to get some of them go to
a local elementary school safely as a shelter.

649
00:58:21.440 --> 00:58:23.199
But you know what's interesting, some
people were like, fuck this,

650
00:58:24.239 --> 00:58:28.679
I gotta go to work. I
don't know why, but they left the

651
00:58:28.679 --> 00:58:31.239
perimeter. Wow, they risked it. Yeah, they're probably like, I'm

652
00:58:31.239 --> 00:58:37.559
getting out of here. Yeah,
I mean I stay. I mean I

653
00:58:37.679 --> 00:58:39.239
ud be if I was on the
outside of the I don't know. I'd

654
00:58:39.239 --> 00:58:42.079
be like, man, I'm out. I mean, I understand why the

655
00:58:42.079 --> 00:58:45.320
police want you to stay, right, I get it right, But then

656
00:58:45.400 --> 00:58:46.599
stay in. I don't know.
I don't know what I would do.

657
00:58:46.800 --> 00:58:50.199
I don't know. I don't know
either. I'd probably stay in my house.

658
00:58:50.280 --> 00:58:52.960
Yeah, you've always stay in your
house. You don't leave your house

659
00:58:52.079 --> 00:58:58.840
very often anyway, No, I
try not to. So he had a

660
00:58:58.840 --> 00:59:02.079
demand. Joey had a demand.
He wanted to speak with Tracy. Of

661
00:59:02.119 --> 00:59:07.840
course he did. Police denied it. No, no, no. Afterwards

662
00:59:07.880 --> 00:59:13.800
they justified it by stating that that
was his only request and had they granted

663
00:59:13.800 --> 00:59:17.760
it, he might have killed.
You know, like, just because because

664
00:59:17.800 --> 00:59:22.719
this is what he wants doesn't mean
will necessarily get what we want, right,

665
00:59:22.719 --> 00:59:28.159
which is the release of the hostages. Tracy was kept at an undisclosed

666
00:59:28.199 --> 00:59:32.719
location, and it was revealed after
the standoff that she was in a holiday

667
00:59:32.760 --> 00:59:37.880
and under police guard. On the
evening of Tuesday, March twenty fourth,

668
00:59:38.840 --> 00:59:45.400
Tracy's mom and her boyfriend decided,
okay, they were going to take matters

669
00:59:45.400 --> 00:59:52.840
into their own hands. They laced
a glass of iced tea was annex Oh

670
00:59:53.159 --> 00:59:58.280
and yeah, they put job to
sleep, did they really? And they

671
00:59:58.320 --> 01:00:02.599
were able to escape through a rear
window. Wow, yes, be like,

672
01:00:02.639 --> 01:00:05.920
okay, we got to do something. Would you like some iced tea?

673
01:00:06.079 --> 01:00:09.000
Yeah? I just made for here's
the glass, oh man. And

674
01:00:09.039 --> 01:00:14.760
they went through the rear window.
Those minutes they were waiting for him to

675
01:00:14.840 --> 01:00:19.440
fall asleep, though, were probably
the longest minutes of their lives. They

676
01:00:19.519 --> 01:00:22.159
left Bradley, who's twelve, because
he was sleeping on the kitchen floor.

677
01:00:22.280 --> 01:00:27.480
Oh yes, and they expected as
soon as they got out that the police

678
01:00:27.519 --> 01:00:30.360
would rush him. So the police
didn't. I mean they rushed in.

679
01:00:31.280 --> 01:00:35.960
I got scared there for a second
album. But they didn't. Yeah,

680
01:00:36.039 --> 01:00:37.239
they didn't. I think they didn't
want to wake him up because it might

681
01:00:37.280 --> 01:00:42.320
wake up Jobe. I don't I
don't know, I don't know. So

682
01:00:42.440 --> 01:00:45.559
the police Russian. According to the
officers, Jobe had been lying on top

683
01:00:45.599 --> 01:00:52.920
of his weapons and he started charging
it. He'd been lying there and he

684
01:00:52.199 --> 01:01:00.000
grabbed him and charged at them.
This led to the officers firing numerous rounds.

685
01:01:00.199 --> 01:01:05.800
Oh, and Joeby was killed.
That's a shame. Yeah, he'd

686
01:01:05.840 --> 01:01:10.440
been shot twenty seven times. Oh
my god, twenty seven times. Oh,

687
01:01:10.599 --> 01:01:15.599
they weren't letting up. And on
top two showed there was only xanax

688
01:01:15.679 --> 01:01:21.480
in a system, no other drugs, and it was determined that the shootings

689
01:01:21.480 --> 01:01:29.519
were justified. Yeah, well he
was armed, and I think that's about

690
01:01:29.599 --> 01:01:37.320
where we're unding this man. It
goes on and on and on, but

691
01:01:37.320 --> 01:01:39.679
that's where we're gonna und it.
Yeah, that's where we're gonna un this

692
01:01:39.679 --> 01:01:45.559
staff man. Sometimes twenty seven times, Oh my god. There are so

693
01:01:45.639 --> 01:01:50.639
many people in this story that need
therapy, therapy, big time. How

694
01:01:50.679 --> 01:01:55.280
awful, how awful, but how
amazing they laced that with ice. He

695
01:01:55.480 --> 01:01:59.199
was xanax. Yeah. I wonder
how many they put in there? A

696
01:01:59.239 --> 01:02:02.559
lot would I would have put in
was left in the bottle hopefully it was

697
01:02:02.599 --> 01:02:06.920
a full bottle, right, but
it wasn't enough where he I mean he

698
01:02:07.039 --> 01:02:12.599
ended up waking up and charging at
the police. Well so that's the end

699
01:02:12.719 --> 01:02:15.880
of Well thanks to La. Yeah, that was a crazy story, these

700
01:02:16.199 --> 01:02:22.599
four women. Man, he was
an awful, awful person. They got

701
01:02:22.639 --> 01:02:28.679
away with it for so long.
But that's you know, he's getting vulnerable.

702
01:02:29.079 --> 01:02:32.880
He's intentionally picking vulnerable people. Yeah, right, but then the justice

703
01:02:32.880 --> 01:02:37.039
systems letting him. I mean,
I don't know. I just think what

704
01:02:37.360 --> 01:02:40.119
happened to Gary Osborne? Right?
Poor Gary? He was like, what

705
01:02:40.199 --> 01:02:45.960
the fuck were calling me? What
I did? I'm going to kill you.

706
01:02:46.000 --> 01:02:49.599
I'm a bomb at your house?
Yeah, poor Gary? Man,

707
01:02:49.719 --> 01:02:54.119
I'm just a dad trying to protect
my daughter. That man. All right,

708
01:02:54.239 --> 01:02:57.880
anyway, Well thank you? Do
you want to do the closing?

709
01:02:58.159 --> 01:03:02.159
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710
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