Using free speech to free minds. You are listening to the David Knights Show.
As the clock strikes thirteen, It's Thursday, the twenty fourth of November,
Year of Our Lord, twenty twenty two, Thanksgiving Day, A nine
hundred and eighty seven medical martial law with an emergency. Is just a couple
of years ago that we had most churches shut down afraid to open up.
Two years ago, a year ago, we had the specter hanging over so
many people of vaccine mandates. Many people are still struggling with the toxin that
was going out. Today, we're going to talk about the Christian principles that
founded this country. We're going to talk about Thanksgiving. We're going to talk
about the real history. Forget about Projects sixteen nineteen. We're going to talk
about God's Project sixteen twenty, the real history. Stay with us. We'll
be right back. Whereas it is the duty of all nations to acknowledge the
providence of Almighty God, to obey his will, to be grateful for his
benefits, and humbly to implore his protection and favor. And whereas both Houses
of Congress have by their joint Committee, requested me to recommend to the people
of the United States, a day of public thanksgiving and prayer to be observed
by acknowledging, with grateful hearts the many signal favors of Almighty God, especially
by affording them an opportunity peaceably to establish a form of government for their safety
and happiness. Now, therefore, I do recommend and assign Thursday, the
twenty sixth of November next to be devoted by the people of these States to
the service of that great and glorious Being, who is the beneficent author of
all good that was, that is, or that will be. That we
may then all unite in rendering under Him our sincere and humble thinks. For
his kind care and protection of the people of this country previous to their becoming
a nation, for the signal and manifold mercies, and the favorable interpositions of
His providence which we experience, and the course and the conclusion of the late
war, And for the great degree of tranquility, union, and plenty which
we have since enjoyed, For the peaceful and rational manner in which we have
been enabled to establish constitutions of government for our safety and happiness, And particularly
the nation one now lately instituted for the civil and religious liberty with which we
are blessed, and the means we have of acquiring and diffusing useful knowledge,
and in general, for all the great and various favors which He hath been
pleased to confer upon us. Also, that we may then unite in most
humbly offering our prayers and supplications to the Great Lord and Ruler of nations,
and beseech Him to pardon our national and other transgressions, to enable us,
all, whether in public or private stations, to perform our several and relative
duties properly and punctually. To render our national government of blessing to all the
people, by constantly being a government of wise, just and constitutional laws,
discreetly and faithfully executed and obeyed, to protect and guide all sovereigns and nations,
especially those that have shown kindness to us, and to bless them with
good government, peace and concord. To promote the knowledge and practice of true
religion and virtue, and the increase of science among them and us, And
to generally grant unto all mankind such a degree of temporal prosperity as He alone
knows to be best given under my hand at the City of New York the
third day of October and the year of our Lord seventeen eighty nine. George
Washington. Well, you know, when we look at this, we talk
about making America great again, don't we will? God make America grateful again.
That was our first president. Very different from our last and current presidents,
isnt you know? God blessed this country because people are grateful to Him
for the blessing of liberty. Now he talked about year of our Lord.
Which Lord? Would that be? The Lord that we mark time from the
Lord Jesus Christ. So let's talk a little bit about Thanksgiving. Let's talk
about God's project, the sixteen twenty project. You know, We've got we
have PBS, we have the New York Times, we have academia and media
are focused on removing God. A good example of that is this PBS documentary
to rewrite history, to take God out of the picture. Listen to this
trailer for a very expensive and slick production produced with your tax dollars. If
you ask people where does America start, they'll say it starts in Plymouth Rock.
There's more to the story than the story. We all know. They
were a very small group of very extreme people. They weren't the people that
you would expect to be founding a new colony. There's a sense that they
came to America in search of religious freedom. They didn't the Pilgrims on American
Experience. Yeah, there's a sense. There's a sense, isn't it that
they came to America for religious freedom? But they didn't. Oh? Really,
you know better? Right? You know the problem is that we have
the diaries from the people. We have lots of original history. This is
not something that we have to read tea leaves or go through archaeological digs to
figure out they kept diaries. PBS knows that you're not going to read those
diaries, so they can lie to you about it now. That American Experience
quote unquote was done before they started the sixteen nineteen project, I believe.
So they tried to tell you, well, you know, we all think
of America as beginning with the Pilgrims, and for good reason, the Mayflower.
But we're going to tell you that all that was wrong. We're going
to remove God from the picture. And then when the project sixteen nineteen of
the New York Times, what they did was they removed the Pilgrims in Mayflower
from history. They relocated the founding of America from people who were seeking freedom
from religious persecution, who just sought to live a life of independence with their
families, away from religious persecution, and they changed it to Jamestown sixteen nineteen
Project sixteen nineteen. Why did they do that, well, because Jamestown was
a very different colony. Jamestown was more focused on economics. People a lot
of people who went to Jameson and it was only after the initial first few
years that they actually started bringing families. For the most part, there were
people who are trying to make an economic start for themselves. Many of them
came as indentured servants. After a few years, they replaced the European indentured
servants who could work their way out. They replaced them with chattel slavery,
African slaves. And so that's what they want to focus on with America.
So four hundred years later, those who seek to destroy our nation are busy
destroying both its history and it's Christian principles. And that America was shaped by
Christian principles. Now, the leaders were not perfect, you know, and
they did not follow those principles, but that was what they aspired to.
And look, none of us are perfect either, none of us. So
when they go back, you go back and say, well, look,
their theology was here or there, or they didn't do this, or they
didn't do that, or they kept slaves or they did whatever. Yeah,
they were hypocrites, just as we are all hypocrites. But they aspired to
Christian principles and it was those Christian principles that laid the foundation for our country
legally as well as culturally. So today we're going to talk about Thanksgiving,
and they're going to have some best of interviews that'll finish the rest of the
program today. But you know, there's a lot of different lessons that we
can take from Thanksgiving and that have been done in the past. We could
talk about Thanksgiving and the triumph of private property and personal responsibility over the tragedy
of the commons. That's something's been very popular with conservatives to talk about,
and it is true. You know, when Pilgrims landed, they went through
some very times. As Bradford Another's point out, look, you know we
nearly starved because first of all, they came relying on God and not really
knowing much about agriculture. We'll talk about that in a moment. But they
also wanted to have everything in common. They're Christians, so it was like,
oh, yeah, we're all Christians, so let's not have everything in
common. And the problem is is that's the tragedy of the commons. Nobody
had the private property of the personal responsibility to make this stuff happen. And
guess what, it didn't happen. And so they changed. Everybody's going to
have a plot of land that's going to be your land. You're going to
grow your food. If you've got extra food, you can help the people
who didn't do a good job. But everybody's going to work on this.
That was an important lesson. Russian imboy used to talk about that on a
regular basis. That was kind of his take on Thanksgiving, and that's an
important lesson and it's a true lesson. We could also talk about the peace
and the harmony of different tongues and tribes to make a unified nation. Eventually.
That was the narrative in the mid twentieth century when I was growing up,
it was very popular America as a melting pot different cultures coming together for
a common nation to build that nation that was the America of the immigrants of
my parents' generation and the ones before that. They would come to America because
they wanted to join America. They didn't want to just they wanted to they
embraced American values. They weren't just coming so they could have the material wealth
that we have, but they wanted to become Americans, not just come for
economic reasons and head back to wherever they came from, or not just to
take over, but they wanted to embrace the values that they had seen in
this country. That was a very real narrative in this story. You could
see the Pilgrims and the Indians coming together. This is the way that it
was typically taught to me in the government school at that time. They would
talk about how these two different groups had come together. They would build and
use each other's strengths and build something that was stronger than what they had individually.
Take the best from each other. But that is totally different from what
we're taught today today. The communists who run our institutions are determined to enhance
our differences and to make us hate each other for those differences. Instead of
coming together and becoming stronger, taking the best that each of us have,
and creating something that is new. That was what America was always about.
But today every difference is magnified and used to divide us because as how the
communists seek to the story of this country, so that narrative as somewhat diminished.
And they didn't just come together. If you go back and you look
at the history, they didn't just come together for a meal and then start
shooting at each other. They lived together peacefully for fifty five years from sixteen
twenty to sixteen seventy five until they had King phillips Ar. Yes, it
was not perfect, because human beings are not perfect. There were encroachments on
both sides. There'd be flare ups and other crimes, and you know,
within their communities of course. But then when it was between the two different
communities, that's when things got a little bit more complicated. But they ironed
out those differences and they had peace. Like I said, for fifty five
years, that's not too bad. That's a couple of generations. Do we
do that well today? You know, God never talks about different By the
way, right, these are two tribes coming out He had the tribes of
the pilgrims, and he had some of the Indian tribes, several different Indian
tribes that were there. And the Indian tribes had differences amongst themselves. They
were not a I'm a genius group that was always at peace with each other
either. And so you have different tribes, you have different tongues, and
that's the way God describes us. God does not talk about different races in
the Bible. He talks about nations, tongues, and tribes. You know,
Michael Savage talks about borders, language, and culture. I don't know
if he got that from the Bible. You know, this is something that
runs throughout the Bible. I don't know if he got it from that or
if he just got it from observation. Because it's true. It's true,
and so he could have noticed that himself where he could have gotten it from
the ancient writings. But it's true. Never the us, and so God
goes on further. I mean, we don't have different races. He has
made all nations of one blood. We're all descended from Adam and later from
Noah. So we have different political entities, we have different cultures, we
have different languages, but we're all created in the image of God. We're
all of one blood. That was how the Pilgrims saw it. They sought
to help people with a Christian religion by spreading it. But we could look
at that aspect of the peace and harmony of different tongues and tribes coming together
to form a nation. There's going to be greater than the sum of the
two parts. We could also look at it as the historical significance of the
Mayflower Compact, or as it's more accurately described, the Mayflower Combination. This
is the document that they put together themselves when they realized that they were out
of the legal jurisdiction of where they were headed and they didn't have anything to
govern themselves. But it really wasn't so much a political document. It was
a groundbreaking moment, a groundbreaking document because it was the first time that people
had come together voluntarily to create something that would eventually become the instruments of governance.
You know, it is there as the foundation that was later built upon
with the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution many other things. Here's what they
wrote when they realized they weren't a place that they had not intended to go
and that there was no contract, no legal definition of how they were to
operate. This is what they said, So just keep in mind what the
American experience, what PBS is telling you. They didn't do this because of
religion. Did they even bother to read the Mayflower Combination or the Compact,
if you will, In the name of God, Amen, That's how they
begin it. We whose names are underwritten, the loyal subjects of our dread
Sovereign Lord, King James, by the grace of God, of Great Britain,
France and Ireland, King Defender of the Faith, etc. Having undertaken,
for the glory of God and the advancement of the Christian Faith and the
honor of our King and Country, a voyage to plant the first colony in
the northern parts of Virginia, Do, by these presents, solemnly and mutually,
in the presence of God and one another, covenant and combine ourselves together
into a civil body politic for our better ordering and preservation and furtherance of the
ends aforesaid, And by virtue here of do enact, constitute, and frame
such just and equal laws, ordinances, acts, constitutions, and officers from
time to time as shall be thought most meet and convenient for the general good
of the colony, unto which we promise all due submission and obedience and witness,
whereof we have here unto subscribed our names at Cape Cod the eleventh of
November and the reign of our Sovereign Lord, King James of England, France
and Ireland, the eighteenth end of Scotland the fifty fourth no domini that means
year of our Lord, sixteen twenty. So the Mayflower Compact is America's foundational
document. PBS wants you to believe that had nothing to do with God.
You didn't hear anything about God in there, did you? Evidently? PBS
didn't. They have a much shorter document that they redacted God from, evidently,
as well as from all the diaries and recorded history of the time.
As Wilmore Kendall and George Carey said in their book Basic Symbols, the Compact
is a symbol around which both the Declaration of Independence and the con Constitution is
built upon. It did not have a formal title as the Declaration of Independence.
It was referred to by the people who live there and their descendants,
as not by the compact, but by the combination. Let me see when
I was saying that we do hereby covenant and combine ourselves, and so they
called it the combination. And that's how it was referred to by that community
and the people who lived there up until the seventeen nineties, and then it
was referred to as the Mayflower Compact. Many people who look at that believe
that it was that was more of a reflection of a more secularized view of
this. They could have called it the Covenant, but I think they were
out of respect. They would look at you covenant as being something that was
more religious, so they called it the combination. But bottom line is that
this is more than just about semantics. The combination was really about creating a
society, even more so than a form of government the Declaration of Independence.
The Constitution would add more political theories and ideas and political structures at a later
time, but that was really what it was built upon. There was an
interesting comment on all this by a history professor from Hillsdale College, Bradley Burser.
He's a Roman Catholic, and he points he says, this could never
have been composed by anyone, but the most Protestant of Protestants. Indeed,
even as a practicing Roman Catholic, I have a hard time imagining the same
scene being played out by French, Spanish or Portuguese settlers. No, this
is one of the great fruits of Protestantism, and it's probably one that we
Catholics should take the heart, especially as we continue to struggle over issues or
religious freedom and freedom of conscience in our rather fallen world of the twenty first
century. He goes on. He says, importantly, the authors of the
combination never assert the existence of a quote state of nature, walk in Obsian
ideas that came later, by the way. Instead, they recognize that they
are beholden to Scripture, to tradition, to a hierarchical authority, and to
the English common law. And yet they were not prepared either to destroy these
ties nor to leave them out completely. Instead, they looked out upon what
they considered to be a virgin land, a promised land of sorts. Here
they could take the best of the past, but they could implement it as
they so desired. Would it be good if we were to do the same
thing today? All around the world we have statues being destroyed monuments being destroyed.
The foundations of our society are being destroyed by Marxists who look for any
imperfection or hypocrisy in the lives of the people who laid down the foundations of
our society in order to destroy our society. The wise path is to always
take the good aspects of what went before us, eat the chicken and leave
the bones if you will. You know, you can take a look at
Martin Luther King, for example, and you could focus on his plagiarism.
He could focus on his infidelities. You could focus on what many people have
pointed out, or some socialist tendencies of himself, or you could take a
look at his speeches, his inspirational speeches where he said we should judge people
by the content of their character rather than the color of their skin. Wouldn't
that be nice if we were to do that today. That is antithetical to
what the left wants to do today. So we take the best from people.
We try to ignore the imperfections that are always there, whether you're talking
about Martin Luther King or Thomas Jefferson, we try to ignore those perfections and
take the wisdom from their life, learn the lessons from their life. That's
what we ought to do, but we don't do that. So he goes
on to say he was at Hillsdale College. He always likes to do a
lecture on the Mayflower combination. He says, as I prepared the lecture,
I racked my brain trying to remember an example of another earlier assertion of self
government. Had the Greeks done it or the Jews. No, they had
already relied upon a law giver. The Romans asserted something in five nine BC,
but I'm not sure that it had quite the same texture. That's what
the Pilgrims did in sixteen twenty. I really couldn't come up with a significant
example. For all intents and purposes, the Plymouth Combination is the first real
assertion of the right of self governance in the modern Western world, and one
of the most important in any time or place. As Kendall and carry wisely
claimed, the sixteen to twenty document did not need to assert any rights overtly
as rights. Instead, the very short paragraph the document as a whole is
an assertion of the right. It is a basic symbol. Indeed, that's
the name of their book, Basic Symbols. So it drew on the religious
roots of America that can be seen in the Pilgrims in the Mayflower combination.
Did the Constitution? You know, the Constitution begins we the people, and
then it goes into the purpose of the constitution. One of the key ones
is to secure the blessings of liberty for ourselves and our prosperity. You know,
atheists don't talk about blessings. You won't see PBS talking about blessings,
not at all. A blessing is something that is given, who gives it.
We have an inscription on the liberty Bell. It's inscribed with Leviticus twenty
five ten and it reads, proclaim liberty throughout the land to all inhabitants thereof
Now the context there of what was being talked about in Leviticus twenty five.
The context was about the year of Jubilee. Every fiftieth year they would have
all debts would be canceled. All the indentured slaves, indentured servants, however
you want to call it, would be set free. It was a year
of jubilee, and that was that inscription was put on the liberty bell.
Founders of America from sixteen twenty to the creation of the Constitution saw liberty as
a blessing, as a gift from God. They made it clear over again,
and the second half of that to ourselves and to our prosy posterity.
So when we look at the Pilgrims, we look at the founders of this
nation. They were very different in their perspective than our society is today.
They were focused on their children. Their hearts were turned to their children,
and in the Bible we always see that as an indication of God's movement and
a people. God moves them to blessing by turning their hearts toward their children.
That makes a big difference in the way that you behave, the way
that you think, the way that you build a life. Instead, in
our society and a time of decadence and degradation, people of our society will
become lovers of self. So that's the kind of society that the Bible always
points at as a society that is setting itself up for judgment instead of for
blessing. If and when God changes our hearts turns them towards our children,
then He'll be preparing us to bless us. We can see that in the
Pilgrims and in the founders of this country. But today I want to talk
about something else that is rarely talked about. Even in conservative circles. People
will talk about the legal issues and the precedents and the historical importance of the
Mayflower Compact or the combination. They will talk about the peace and community.
They don't do that too much anymore. Between the Indians and the Pilgrims.
They'll talk about the economic aspects. That's really where conservatives focused today, because
we're all about the money, right, Hey, it's the economy, stupid.
Everything is about the money. But I want to talk a little bit
about God's providence and care in this story, because I think that's the real
lesson. That is far more important than the triumph of private property and personal
responsibility over the tragedy of the commons. It's far more important than groups of
people cooperating and coming together peacefully. It's far more important than any legal document,
no matter how much of a precedent it sets. And that's God's providence
and care. So that was what was foremost in the minds of the Pilgrims
as well, and if you were to talk to them, or if you
read their writing, there's one way to talk to them, if you will
listen to them. If you'd listen to them, you'll see that they're not
bragging about what they did. They give the glory to God. They honor
God. They would say that and did say it over and over again.
Today. In many ways, we are like them. We are pilgrims and
strangers on this earth. That is a Christian idea. In our journey.
We also need to acknowledge how we need God. We also need to look
to Him to provision and for providence as they did, and we need to
honor Him when he provides. So, you know, I look at this
and a lot of people in America, we've had so many immigrants lately,
and a lot of people say, you know, they're hyphenated Americans or whatever
said in the past. When I first met Karen, she was from New
York and she was second generation of people who had come some of them from
Poland, some of them from Italy. And so when we met, she
asked me, where are you from? You know, wait, you mean
I'm from America. I'm just an American. I don't know where they came
from. I never did go back and look. I don't know if I
have any any physical connection to the people who were there at the Mayflower,
or if it was to somebody who came later. You know, quite frankly,
it doesn't matter. A lot of people would get very precious about all
that. Oh, I'm descended from so and so right, or I'm descended
from this person who was a passenger on the Mayflower. What difference does that
make, Especially four hundred years later, any kind of physical genetic connection that
we have to these people has been so diluted. If we could go back
in our family trees and our genealogy and find a connection to it, it's
been so deluded it doesn't make any sense anymore. It's not worth talking about.
But there are other ways that we could see ourselves as connected to them,
and I feel a stronger kinship to them from a spiritual standpoint, forget
about the physical standpoint. Any of us, by the way, regardless of
the nation, tongue, or tribe, even if you're in another country,
you could feel a kind of kinship with them if you see yourself as a
pilgrim and a stranger in this land who is dependent on the providence of God.
So I want to just briefly go over. You know, what is
providence? How did the hand of Providence guide and protect the Pilgrims? What
are the lessons for those of us who live today, especially for Americans who
seek comfort and ease above everything else. And then how do we pass this
on to our kid That's why I've got this thing up here. I want
to talk a little bit about what we used to do with our kids.
So what is providence? Well, the dictionary will define it as care or
preparation in advance, foresight, or divine direction. And I think all of
these things are seen in the story of the Pilgrims. We can see the
care, the preparation in advanced by God. We can see his foresight and
his divine direction. I have a different definition of providence. I kind of
think of it as a chain of stealth miracles, things that you wouldn't recognize
as a miracle. They seem pretty ordinary. If you looked at any one
of them, you'd say, well, you know, or even just a
couple of them together, you'd say, well, it's just a coincidence of
these things happen. Well that's really nice, but it just happened happenstance.
Now, you know, sometimes God will answer a prayer miraculously. Sometimes he'll
heal people miraculously. I have two volumes of books about verified eyewitness stories about
miraculous healings. Many of them just you know, based on prayer. You
know, some of them radio stations. Some one calls in and they're in
serious condition. They put out a prayer and there's an amazing healing that happens
after that. So God will sometimes do that. He still does that.
He's still in the miracle business. I would I always recommend that you read
diaries of people who have been able to experience that type of provision and miraculous
work. But a lot of times it's just a series of little things that
happened, you know. George Muller is a good example of somebody who had
was used by God. Sometimes, you know, he would be out of
money completely. He had orphans that he had depped up to take care of
and he was absolutely penniless. Orphans were a very big problem in Victorian England
that Charles Dickens would write about all the time. He took them in to
feed them, to give them an education, to give them a moral foundation,
he took the responsibility for them, but he gave the responsibility for taking
care of them to God. And so one day, just one example,
but one of the most interesting examples, I think, but he had several
of these. I won't say just this one one. But they had absolutely
no money, had a couple dozen orphans at the time. It got to
be a very very large enterprise eventually, and he never became rich. But
he prayed because they had no food. And pretty soon there was a knock
in the door and there was a guy who's who just came with some bread.
He had some extra bread and it was over, so he just brought
it to the door, so they had bread. Shortly after that, he
gets another knock on the door and there's a guy with a milk truck and
it broke down in front of their house, and so they all had milk
provided for them that day as well. Now you can look at that you
say, well, it's just a coincidence, or you could say it's providential
or miraculous. But I think you know, when we look at a lot
of ordinary things that happened, sometimes we can go back and we can say,
well, what's the chance of that happened. What's the chance of this
guy breaking down in front of his house with a lot of milk that's going
to spoil. He just gives it to them because he can't do anything with
it. Or the same thing with the guy with the bread. Well,
you know, either one of those things could have happened. And yet for
both of them to happen, and for both of them to happen after he
had prayed for food and you know, for bread and milk, that is
a little bit different. So you want to call that a miracle, want
to call it providence. So, without going into detail of the story of
both the Pilgrims and of Squanto, these are a couple of different stories that
intertwine with each other. That's one of the things that I find interesting about
the story of Thanksgiving and the Pilgrims. They both went through tremendous hardship and
God interwove their stories together to combine them. You know, we talked about
the Mayfliwer combination. This is the combination the combination that God does how he
changes things in their life, shapes them by the difficult things in their life,
and then brings them together to build something that's even bigger. It really
embodies all of those previous things that I talked about, but a much more
important way, the financial aspects of it, the combination aspects of it,
the building of a common thing with disparate people, different backgrounds, different nations,
tongues and tribes. So you know, when the Pilgrims came, they
had gone through a very difficult time of religious persecution. They'd been jailed,
they had lost property, they had to flee. They fled to Holland.
There in Holland they were left alone. It was a very rich and secular
country, very much like America today and in that regard, so they didn't
bother with them. They frankly didn't care too much about it, and so
the pilgrim stayed there for a while. But then they started realized that there
was something that was very seductive in this secular materialism there. There was also
an immorality that was hanging around. They felt that they would lose their kids.
So they decided that it would be better for them if they were to
start a new life, parallel society, if you will, and to do
it. In America, we don't have the option of immigration today, but
we do have the option of being pilgrims and setting up a parallel society.
You know, the Puritans had tried to purify their society by staying there.
The pilgrim said, that's okay, we're going to go do our own thing.
There are elements of both of those things that we should and could do
today, But I think the pilgrim side of it is going to be the
most important. The parallel society. And so, as I said, they
had suffered a great deal of persecution, and then as their journey began,
there was even more persecution. There's even more difficulty. They had three ships
worth of people and their possessions. One of them was not seaworthy. They
had to turn back. They had to pack everybody in those two remaining ships.
We have been to Plymouth and we've seen the historical community that's there.
We've gotten onto the ship. That was unbelievable that they would have over one
hundred people there. It's like, I don't know what they did. Was
it like standing room only? Did they stand the entire time? It was
horrific. The conditions that they were under, very long journey by sale,
and of course they had storms, they had damage the main mast was broken.
They nearly lost, were lost at sea, but they were able to
get this together with God's help and providence and provision, and they were able
to make the journey. But then instead of being able to go to northern
Virginia, they were pushed ashore by more storms into the Massachusetts area what would
become the Massachusetts area. And so they knew they were in the wrong place.
They tried to get out several times they got kept getting pushed back and
pushed back and pushed back. So finally it's like, well, this is
where we're supposed to be. We can't get anywhere else. That's why they
put together the Mayflower combination. And then when they landed they were met by
an Indian spoke perfect English. What a strange thing. They're absolutely amazed by
that. And of course the area where they landed another interesting coincidence, isn't
it. The area where they landed was uninhabited. The village had been wiped
out with disease. And the Indian who spoke English was Squanto. His journey
had also been difficult. He had been captured, kidnapped by some Spanish explorers
or tradesmen or whatever they were, and taken back as a slave to Spain.
Eventually he was given to you know, he was taught agriculture and some
other things by a Spanish monk. And then eventually he gets to England.
He learns English and he is put in a position of response ability. He
accompanies an English expedition to the area. They liked him enough that they gave
him his freedom. But the heartbreak that he had was when he went back
home. Nobody survived. They'd all been wiped out by disease. And so
he's there by himself. But he's learned English and he's been taught agricultural techniques
that the Pilgrims did not know. They were really more focused on why they
wanted to go and you know, for religious liberty than there were the practical
aspects of it. They were ill equipped to survive. But God used the
hardship of both of these, both the Pilgrims and of Squanta, so they
could help each other. And you know, this is really the lesson of
providence. If you look at the words of the hymn, God moves in
mysterious ways about how this is so similar to what the Pilgrims went through and
Squanto God moves the mysterious ways as wonders to perform. He plants his footsteps
in the sea and rides upon the storm, deep and unfathomable minds of never
failing skill. He treasures up his bright designs and works his sovereign will ye
fearful saints, fresh courage. Take the crump clouds you so much dread,
are big with mercy, and shall break in blessings on your head. Judge
not the Lord by feeble sense, but trust him for his grace. Behind
a frowning providence, he hides a smiling face. His purposes will ripen fast,
unfolding every hour. The bud may have a bitter taste, but sweet
will be the flower. Blind unbelief is sure to err and scan his work
in vain. God is his own interpreter, and he will make it plain.
So how do we teach this important lesson? Over the years. I'll
just give you some of our personal experience. I have people ask you what's
some of the curriculum that you use, and I need to get some of
that together. But there's always new things that are being put out, and
things that we used twenty twenty five years ago, they're not available anymore.
Focus on the Family still has a great audiobook dramatization of the story of Squanto.
That's one that we listened to many times with our children. But it's
a story that you would enjoy as an adult if you haven't heard it.
It's a great production. I would highly recommend that and I'm sure that is
still available. We also used and that's why I have this up here.
We use this box. This is it's called Thanks Living Treasury and looked online
and I don't think that this is sold anymore, but that doesn't mean that
you can't do something similar to it. It was well get out of the
book here. It was done by FamilyLife dot Com. It's division of Campus
Crusade for Christ and it is set up over a week, so it's almost
like a little advent type of thing. Every day it set the kids down
and you would go over one aspect of the story. And we did this
when our kids are very young, and so it has some little props that
were part of it, but you could make that yourself. You know,
here's a ship. We would hand these things out because you know, when
the kids are very young, especially with boys, they like to have something
physical that they can kind of you know, look at and hold and it's
a nice three D thing here. But you know, you could give them
any kind of thing like that, you know, to represent the ship.
It doesn't have to be this particular thing. And so that would help to
focus their attention. You would have you know, the day that you're talking
about the journey. You know you've got to ship here in the sea,
you've got situations where you're talking about starvation. How Squanta help them? You
got a thing of corn. So stuff like that was very useful. That
would help you to focus with kids. And as I said, every day
there was another lesson. It kept them short because they've got a short attention
span and you know they're not going to set through a three hour broadcast of
The David Night Show at that age. So you know, different things like
that and one of the things that I really enjoy that we still have.
Oh there were also yeah cards. Again you can find these pictures online,
but there would be you know, classic drawings of scenes from the Pilgrims,
the journey here by sea and all that type of thing. So there are
things like that, and then there were some every year at the end of
each one of these sections. You would have the kids if they were very
young, too young to write anything down, You would say, you know,
what are you grateful for? And it give you different categories terms of
what are you grateful for in terms of protection? Or what are you grateful
for in terms of freedom or your health or your salvation? And so you
would put these things down. We would do it, the kids would do
it, we'd date it, put our names on there. And it's interesting
now years later to go back and look to see what was happening in our
lives and how our kids perceive that. That's the importance of diaries. I
talked about the diary of George Mueller, got a very detailed diary that went
over very long life and a lot of experiences. But if you really want
to be able to see God working again, because providence is kind of stealthy,
you really do need to keep a diary. Talk about the challenges that
you're going through, talk about the things prayed to God for, talk about
how those prayers were answered, because God is still in that business and so
all of those things are things that I would recommend to you. But of
course for adults, the records are there. You don't need to rely on
PBS or the New York Times for history, Please don't. They've got an
agenda, they're not interested in real history. But the primary sources are always
better for any kind of education, historical education. So you know, you'll
find online of Plymouth Plantation, you'll find the log of the Mayflower. You
find a lot of stuff like that. Many other documents are available online.
But again, think of it when you look at the diary of the Pilgrims,
and how do we know what happened in their life? How do we
know how God moved in their life? Was because they kept a diary.
You'll want to do that for your own life. You want to do that
for your own benefit and perhaps for the benefit of learned to come in the
future, to be able to see how God worked in your life as he
worked in the life of George Mueller or the Pilgrims. So I'm gonna play
for you now what Benjamin Franklin said as they were working to put together a
constitution, and he was telling the Constitutional Convention, he said, you know,
we need to ask for God's providence. God was with us through this
last war, and we need his protection, his guidance in terms of putting
together this constitution that we're going to do, and after that we are going
to have some interviews coming up. I just want to wish you a blessed
Thanksgiving. I hope you enjoy the time with family and friends. I want
to thank Daniel, a local friend who gave us a fresh turkey, killed
it and plucked it and what we're going to be working on today. First
time we've done a fresh, not frozen turkey, so I really do appreciate
that. It's great to have friends and he's kind of our squanto. I
just have to say, so, have a blessed Thanksgiving. And this is
pre recorded, so I won't be able to interact with any tips or questions.
But again we're going to have some interviews coming up right after this.
Here's Benjamin Franklin and what he told the Constitutional Convention, mister President, A
small progress that we've made after four or five weeks close attendance and continual reasonings
with each other. Are different sentiments on almost every question, and several of
the last, producing as many no's as eyes is, methinks, a melancholy
proof of the imperfection of the human understanding we indeed seem to feel our own
want of political wisdom. Since we've been running about in search of it.
We've gone back to ancient history for models of government, and examined the different
forms of those republics which have been formed with the seeds of their own dissolution
and now no longer exist. We have viewed modern states all around Europe,
but find none of their constitutions suitable to our circumstances. In this situation of
this assembly, groping, as it were, in the dark to find political
truth, and scarce able to distinguish it when presented to us, How has
it happened, Sir, that we have not hitherto once thought of humbly applying
to the Father of lights to illuminate our understandings. In the beginning of the
contest with Great Britain, when we were sensible of danger, we had daily
prayer in this room for divine protection. Our prayers, Sir, were heard,
and they were graciously answered. All of us who were engaged in the
struggle must have observed frequent instances of a superintending providence in our favor. To
that kind providence, we owe this happy opportunity of consulting in peace on the
means of establishing our future national felicity. Have we now forgotten that powerful friend?
Or do we imagine that we no longer need his assistance? I have
lived, Sir, a long time, and the longer I live, the
more convincing proofs I see of this truth that God governs in the affairs of
men. And if a sparrow cannot fall to the ground without his notice,
is it probable that an empire can rise without his aid. We have been
assured, Sir, and the sacred writings that except the Lord build, they
labor in vain that build it. I firmly believe this, and I also
believe that without his concurring aid, we shall succeed in this political building no
better than the builders of Babel. We shall be divided by our little,
partial local interests. Our projects will be confounded, and we ourselves shall become
a reproach and a byword down to the future age. And what is worse.
Mankind may hereafter, from this unfortunate instance, despair of establishing governments by
human wisdom, and leave it to chance, war and to conquest. I
therefore beg leave to move that henceforth prayers imploring the assistance of Heaven and its
blessings on our deliberation, be held in this assembly every morning before we proceed
to business, and that one or more of the clergy of this city be
requested to officiate in that service. Benjamin Franklin, Thursday, June twenty eighth,
seventeen eighty seven, Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, analyzing the Globalists, Next move
and now the Deevid Nut Show. All right, Joining us now is Joe
Banister. I've interviewed Joe several times, had the pleasure to do it.
A man of integrity. He's a former criminal investigator for the I R S
and now he is an Agent for Truth. That's the name of his website
as well as podcast that he has. Thank you for joining us, Joe.
Thank you, David. It's great to see you again and talk with
you and hook up with Travis again. Let's see, yes, see his
smiling face. Great to have you there. Tell people a little bit about
where they can find you, first of all, where can they find Agent
for Truth? And tell us a little bit about the podcast that's going on.
Yeah, the website is Agent for Truth dot com. I started out
twenty three years ago with a website called Freedom above Fortune dot com because I
had to decide what was more important, you know, so called fortune at
the I r S with a secure pension and paycheck, or freedom you know,
for myself, my family and for our country. But I thought Agent
for Truth was a good, a good little moniker there, since I was
a special agent with the I R S. And I wanted to be the
best agent for truth that I could be. So agentfotruth dot com is the
website. I actually wrote a book. If you don't mind me doing a
shameless plug, no do it? Yeah, all the investigating the Federal income
Tax report to the American people. And that's because in nineteen ninety nine when
I resigned, I wrote a preliminary report. So of course, now that
twenty three years have passed, there was a lot more news, including criminally
prosecuting me, stripping me my CPA certificate, all kinds of fun and games
that the IRS can can let a lash out at. So yeah, I
have a podcast. It's actually just through zoom, kind of a wonkish thing.
We have attorneys and paralegals and we speak for years. Was about the
income tax. Of course, in taxation but over the last couple of years
it's been all about COVID because all the lockdowns and the tyranny seemed to make
the IRS maybe not pale in comparison, but certainly set it off to the
side, because you know, it's like the powers that be were fine through
the monetary system and the taxation system harvesting us like silkworms. Yeah, and
then all of a sudden it changed to we need to kill them, yes
exactly, yeah, yeah, now we're for dinner. You know, they
want us to eat silkworms until we die and they keep us in prison.
I agree with you absolutely, And you know, I've said many times Joe
that the I think the IRS kind of set a lot of precedents of having
a bureaucracy that was a law unto itself. And you know, Rampaul and
others have in years past would put out the Reins Act to rein in the
bureaucracy because we now have taxation with our representation, we have regulation without representation.
Nancy Pelosi said of Obamacare, we got to pass it so we can
find out what's in it. They get these funding and they create a bureaucracy
and then they let them create the rules. And then after they create their
rules, you don't have any resumption of innocence, you don't have due process,
and they have no prohibition against successive fines because they say, well,
these are rules, these aren't laws. You only have these types of legal
protections if it's a law enacted by Congress. So we won't have Congress do
any laws. We'll have the bureaucracy create the rules. And so I think
that the IRS really took the lead in all of that. But now it's
been weaponized by especially in this medical martial law that we've had. It's been
that same tactic now has been extended to all different aspects of our life,
hasn't it. Yes, And in fact I was, you know, as
I can talk about, of course, as being criminally prosecuted. So they
actually went through the process of indictment prosecuting me, and I was deservedly acquitted.
We could talk about that in a second. But in terms of the
administrative state, the way that I was stripped of my CPA certificate you know
that I earned from the state of California back in nineteen ninety one, was
through this administrative state. I basically had an administrative law judge from the Environmental
Protection Agency to decide my fate in terms of a disbardment from you know,
being able to help clients before the i R S. How did the how
did they get the EPA involved in that? I you know, I guess
he was the only one available and they but I think I had a connection
with the Department of Homeland Security because I my it wasn't a trial. It
was more like a hearing was supposed to occur on Coast Guard Island in San
Francisco Bay, and that's a military installation where you know, you can only
come and go as they allow you, no no witnesses. They really you
know, I called it the Shanghai on CGI for Coast Guard Island. So
I just just to point out that that administrative state can really grind you up,
and you go through all these appeals and but it's really not due process,
not in the true sense. Oh yeah, oh yeah. They really
wiped out as we saw during the COVID stuff. You had the CDC claiming
that they had control over foreclosures and evictions and things like that. You know,
it's just amazing to see how they just passed the power around amongst themselves,
and it really is taxation without representation, regulation without representation, and of
course trials really without any representation or legal due process. That's what's really dangerous
about this. Tell people a little bit about your process and a little bit
about your background, because it's been a while since you've been on, and
we got a lot of new listeners who don't know how you went from being
a criminal investigation agent for the IRS and to somebody that they targeted. Thank
you, well, you know, with all the why hair, it's been
been quite a while. But after graduating from college and recognizing that the accounting
profession was quite boring, it took me a while to figure that out.
Don't know why. But I also had lots of friends and relatives in law
enforcement, and so I thought, well, how can I match this,
you know, accounting degree and experience with law enforcement, and so of course
an investigative role came about. So I applied to the FBI and the IRS
Criminal Investigation Division, and the FBI actually had a hiring freeze. I qualified
to be sent to Quantico, Virginia, but due to a hiring freeze,
it was basically in this holding pattern. Then the IRS called and I you
know, granted, the FBI has gotten a worse and worse reputation as the
decades roll along, but back then in the nineties, you know, at
least to carve away a ruby ridge. And as I say, it was
an unfolding process. But compared to the IRS, I thought, well,
the FBI would definitely be a better agency, but there was a hiring freeze,
so it kind of the idea of working for the IRS kind of grew
on me because it was a special agent position, a criminal investigator, you
know, gun and a badge. You're working on money laundering cases, really
detailed cases with other agencies. And you know, I'm granted, tax and
accounting was my background, so it seemed like a pretty good fit. So
November ninety three, I was sworn in as an IRS special agent and just
for the for the audience, the IRS has a civil civil functions where there's
audits and levees and things like that, and then they have a criminal investigation
function where when a when proof of an intentional violation of a law can be
investigated. Then you'd have a criminal investigator who would do that, much like
a police officer who investigator a crime scene or whether it be secret service investigating
counterfeiting or whatever it might be. So the iOS does it have to be
something associated with a crime or is it something that is tax was an evasion
as opposed to you know, avoidance, avoidance, Yeah, avoidances, I
can't remember which it was, just like the approval versus the authorization for the
vaccines. So it's okay, and it's it's it's part of the game to
try to avoid your taxes, and that's encouraged. But if you evade your
taxes, then is that when they get the criminal people involved or do they
still have for evasion? Do they still have some of the non criminal auditors
involved with that? Well, that's that's why it's supposed to work. In
other words, if you don't have a men's rea, you don't have a
criminal intent, then it should be in the purview of avoidance, which even
the Supreme Court, numerous courts have ruled tax avoidance is not a crime.
In fact, it's expected. But the way another mission creep for the I
R. S is even tax avoidance has become uple matter, so you know,
something for people to keep in mind. But anyway, the difference between
the two is that tax avoidance is, you know, utilizing the law as
written to minimize or eliminate tax as much as possible. Tax evasion is knowing
that you have a known legal duty to obey some law or provide such information
and then purposely not doing so. Willfully is actually the word that they use.
So when we look at this explosion in the IRS, and well,
let's continue on with your story. I don't want to get away with your
story. Let's go back and talk about your journey. You go to work
for the IRS, and then what happens. So in nineteen ninety three,
and I expected to spend a full twenty year career there because as a law
enforcement position, it's not a thirty year retirement, it's a twenty year retirement.
You work fifty hour work weeks, so you're getting a ten or basically
twenty five percent premium in your pay, plus you know the extra pay for
you know, being a law enforcement kind of person, gun and badge and
all that. So I really expected to spend a twenty year career there.
And again because the you know, you're investigating money laundering and you know,
really intricate crimes and you know, protecting the treasury as you're you know,
you're thinking you're doing that, and and so I believe those functions aren't necessary,
and so my expectations were kind of changed when about three years into my
career there I was listening to a talk radio show. And that's why I'm
so people like David Knight are so admirable, because you got those the truth
pills dispensing and big bottles. But anyway, I was an avid talk radio
listener, and so they had a guest on the show talking about the income
tax and the Federal Reserve and all the things that back in the nineties and
prior to that were just thought of as oh, the kookiest subject matter,
right, I know, I know, yeah, we have. We'd run
people for office with the Libertarian Party and would start out by saying, we
want to abolish the income tax and the I R s and they'ybody, Oh
they're just radical to these people, right, So yeah, I know,
yes, yeah, yeah, the pioneers. Thank thank goodness for the pioneers,
the trailblazers. So anyway, uh listened and then it was on a
talk show of a guy that was always telling the truth about every other thing.
So I thought, well, why why would he lie to us.
Now, why would he have a guest on that would lie to his audience.
So that's what got me started. So I spent two years off duty,
you know, evenings and weekends, investigating whether or not these claims about
the income tax were actually true. And the basic claim was that the i
R S the income tax was not actually required to be paid by most Americans
because they were no federal law ever made them liable to pay the tax.
And the i r S's own instruction, their own regulations state that if you're
liable for attacks, then you have all these requirements that you have to follow.
But it's that key juncture, are you liable? And you know,
nowadays any American can search the Internet and search through the entire thick Internal Revenue
Code. All guys like us would call it thick, right, it's just
on a computer screen now. But you can search through all these laws and
find out, well, where do I become liable? How does this happen?
The IRS says, I have to do all these things if I'm liable
for the tax, Let's see where that happens. And then Americans who do
the research come to find out that, oh wow, I'm I'm not liable
for the income tax? Is that some kind of an oversight? I remember
our years they would send out the package. I don't know if they do
this anymore, but they would say, you know, the income tax is
a voluntary thing, and we really do appreciate you volunteering. And I used
to think that was the most cynical thing. You know. It's just like
you would get the printed paper maps and it would always have something there from
the governor of whatever the state was, reminding you that driving is a privilege.
Well, the I R s would always send this thing out and say,
uh, and thank you for complying with this voluntarily. Uh. And
what are they talking about? I know what's going to happen if I don't
volunteer. You know they're going to voluntarily Yes, you hold me away,
you know. Uh, that's exactly. And that's kind of like you know
when they say the if you're blindfolded and you there's an elephant in the room
but you don't know it, and you touch, and there's a trunk and
you touch and there's a big tone now and yeah. So those kinds of
clues, even from the commissioners who would write those those introductory letters each year.
Uh, that's just one of many parts of the elephant to indicate how
illegitimate, you know, the i R S is enforcement and administration of the
Income Tact actually is. And of course I always hesitate. I'm not a
I'm not like urging people like the pied Piper go out and battle with the
I R S. You know. Yeah, that's the problem. Even if
they don't have authority, they've got a lot of power, you know,
and we see power abused all the time without authority. I mean, look
at the last couple of years here, how they've abused there. You know,
without authority, they've abused their power. It's just it's absolutely amazing.
And you're talking about how thickets become. And that's one of the ways that
they can really control you. If the law is sufficiently complex so that nobody
knows what it is. Really, it's the same as having no law at
all. And that really has been kind of the operating principle of much of
the government, not just the IRS. But you know, they bury everything
in so many levels of detail that nobody really knows what it is. It's
not a simple statement like we have in the Bill of Rights. And instead
they create these complicated for varications to erase our bill of rights in our constitution.
Yes, and I think also your listeners and yourself will be fascinated by
this little little fact. I'm sure everyone's heard, especially with the COVID,
how people are accused of being you know, mass misinformation spreaders. Yeah.
Well, the IRS actually wrote the book on that they would designate people as
illegal tax protesters. If you point out an actual black letter law to the
IRS auditor, for example, they'll tell you it's a frivolous argument. So
smearing people with you know, labels like illegal tax protester or taxi deni er.
Really, the book was written by the I R. S in the
fifties, sixties, seventies, eighties, so you know, all I had
to do was dust that off. Fauci could just dust off all those policies
and practices and you know, dismissed. Of course, thankfully. People there's
enough courageous people that they can be called any name in the book. They
don't care. The truth is the truth, and eventually, you know,
the purveyors of the lies start scurrying for the for the dark corners of the
room, like Fauci yeah, and where at that point right now. I
spent the beginning of this program talking about, hey, it looks like it's
turned. They decided that they can't hide the massive pile of bodies everywhere,
and everybody's turning on each other. Well, he was the one who did
it. I didn't do it. You know, the type of thing.
All the finger pointing is now started, which is a good move for our
side, as long as they don't try to escalate this with some other kind
of attack or with a war to try to wipe all this stuff out.
But I'm curious because, you know, Joe, once you challenge them,
especially from the inside, things must have gotten really bad for you. They
did. I mean, I was, you know, not to toot my
own horror, but in terms of awards and promotions and everybody asking, oh
wow, you must be going to go into management. You know, you're
just a hard charger, and so everything was really great until I start.
You know, I just kind of raised my hand sheepishly and said, hey,
you know, I've been doing this research about the income tax and trying
to dismiss these claims by these so called tax protesters, and sure, there's
some strange stuff out there. But you know, I'm a CPA. You
trust me to carry this gun and a badge around. These are the things
that I found. And you know, given that I took an oath to
support and defend the Constitution and you did too, you know, to my
supervisors, what about this? I mean, I really think I need to
get this result so that I can be assured that I am actually abiding by
my oath. And well, the answer I got was that you probably already
can figure it out. They were not happy. They would not answer any
of my questions. They would not even address my report, which is you
know, the this is what evolved. But originally it was a ninety nine
page report provided to my supervisors, just highlighting some of the concerning issues.
And they sent my inquiries up this chain of command, up to the Assistant
Commissioner for Criminal Investor Gation, and the word came back down, no answer
of your questions, will provide you with the paperwork to tend your resignation.
Wow. Took my gun and badge away, kept my pager for a week.
You know, don't call us, we'll call you. And then I
really decided that because I had a really frankly a stellar reputation that if I
stayed with the IRS, then they would have made sure that they ruined it,
and then who would believe me? So I actually resigned on my birthday
February twenty fifth, nineteen ninety nine. And I don't know how any listeners
know this, but my birthday February twenty fifth and the income tax birthday February
twenty fifth, nineteen thirteen, we share the same day, So maybe I
was meant to blow a few whistles. Wow, So did they just let
you resign? And were those criminal charges against you? Though? Right?
Yeah? Resigned in ninety nine, and then I had, you know,
no mainstream media attention immediately. I mean, you'd think if a criminal investigator
for the IRS was blowing the whistle that the mainstream media would care. Well,
people thought that in the old days, so that didn't happen. But
then the you know, the internet was taking off in the late nineties and
early two thousands, so I was getting a lot of attention. And then
eventually the mainstream media did pay attention to me. And that's another thing I
found out about the way the government and the media work. They want to
they pay attention to you. Right before they take you down. Yes,
so I was on sixty minutes too. You know, there's a sixty minutes
and a sixty minutes too, So I made it to sixty minutes too.
I was interviewed by the New York Times and number of times, the Span,
MSNBC, all kinds of media organs, and I'm thinking, Wow,
you know they're actually paying attention to not to me, but you know,
to the issue. I mean, we traveled to Congress, to the White
House, the Supreme Court, trying to petition for a redress of our grievances,
well in reward, as a reward for all my efforts, I was
indicted in November of two thousand and four on four felony counts. Three counts
were preparing three false federal income tax returns for a client, and the fourth
count, for good measure, was conspiracy to defraud the United States of America.
So my trial was in June of two thousand and five. I had
about seven months to prepare, and I was looking at, I don't know,
anywhere from probably three to five six years in federal prison if I was
convicted. And you know, the basic premise was that I prepared these tax
returns on behalf of a client he was he had already paid taxes and was
seeking a refund, and there's a process that you follow, and that's why
he hired me to make sure that we followed the process to the letter.
But you know, as I mentioned about tax avoidance and tax evasion, they
can turn tax avoidance seeking a refund, for example, into a crime,
and so they call it false false refund claim. I was the one that
prepared the tax return, so therefore I conspired with the client. Of course,
none of that was true. They didn't even their experts on the witness
stand. My attorneys walk them through just about every line of the tax returns
and said, you know, is this line false? Is this line false?
Is this line false? And there was nothing false about them, And
so the juries kind of scratching their heads, like why is this guy being
prosecuted. The prosecution can't even tell us he did anything bad. So I
was acquitted in June A, two thousand and five of those charges, and
then of course the whole IRIS civil function descended upon me with audits and and
then the the CPA disbarment thing was percolating along, and of course that's one
of the many reasons why I don't, you know, act like the pied
Piper's telling people, hey, go battle with the I R S. Because
I just don't think most people are. I wasn't even really equipped for it.
But you know, I just reach out to the Lord and know that
he'll he'll protect you, and not necessarily from pain or suffering, but in
terms of protection of your soul and you know, your your desire for truth.
Yes, that's right. That is the thing that matters, and that
is the final court and judgment that matters, and that's what gives us the
leverage to make these kinds of changes. Well, you know, I really
and I understand because I have. I've talked to people who went to battle
with the I R S. A new one guy who went to prison,
and his you know what happened to him in trial was he went in he
thought he something in the law that you know, shut everything down, and
so he was going to make that the issue at the trial and he brings
up he goes, what about this. I said, now, we're not
going to talk about that next question, you know, and that was it.
And yeah, he couldn't even find anybody who's going to represent him,
so he does it, you know, himself, And they wouldn't answer the
first question. They just shut everything down and wouldn't consider anything. Did they
try to with your situation? They tried to bring enough charges that they offered
you a plea bargain instead of having a jury trial. Was that, you
know? Interestingly, and according to my attorneys who had had much more experience
with Charles and please, they never offered me a plea. It's almost like
they knew what fingers I would show them if they had done that bother with
it. But they said it was really unprecedented that there wasn't even a plea
offer. So they must have done some kind of study of my personality or
something that you know, I granted, you know, there's people that are
guilty of crimes that say I didn't do it. But I didn't. There
was nothing untoward at all. You know, I wouldn't sign a document and
a penalty perjury unless I knew that it was true, correct and complete.
And of course the trial proved that they all were. But they charged me
anyway. In fact, the special agent that I used to work with who
investigated me, I have it from a very good source that he actually recommended
that I not be prosecuted. And when a special agent, actually any investigator
does an investigation, it's not a foregone conclusion that they're going to find that
there's a crime. Granted jury, grand juries and diet Ham sandwiches, et
cetera. But there is actually you come to the end of the road and
the investigator is supposed to give it a recommendation should there be prosecution or not.
And I've never been able to get my hands on the report, but
a very reliable so are said that the special agent actually recommended that I not
be prosecuted because you could not find, you know, evidence that the elements
of the crime had been satisfied. And yet the the DJ, the i
R S, you know, all the bureaucracy decided, well, we're going
to prosecute him anyway, because we can't have this wayward guy telling the public
that there might be an alternative to you know, our government position just just
pure vindictiveness. And of course the reason that they'll do that is because they
don't want to they don't want to lose a trial, you know, and
so they're looking a lot of you know, what they do with the grand
jury is to judge the strength of their case, and so you know they
don't. Nobody wants to go into this as an investigator or a prosecutor or
whatever and lose, and so that's why they make those types of recommendations.
But the higher ups just wanted to get even with that. Tell us a
little bit about your take on what is happening with this expansion of the I
r S. Because now with this new bill that just got passed, they're
going to take the budget that is currently twelve billion dollars and they're going to
add eighty billion dollars to it. So it's going to be, you know,
about seven and a half times bigger than it is right now. From
having been there in the past, how do you think this is going to
play out? I mean, there's been a lot of talk Joe about the
IRS agents who are carrying guns and that type of thing. I know there'll
be a lot of agents that'll just be doing audits, like from a CPA
standpoint, But how do you think this is going to play out in terms
of how it's going to affect us as individuals? Well, I could start
with the criminal investigation component, just because I'm most familiar with that. But
when I was, when I was with the IRS, there was I think
between twenty eight hundred and three thousand IRS special agents, and now, or
at least until this bill and the preparations for it, is about twenty three
hundred, so the head count actually went down by about seven hundred. I
think even Rhino Republicans were hesitant to you know, beef up budgets for the
IRS because you know, the public, at least they're gonna that kind of
information is gonna going to percolate down to the average joe. So what's amazing
though, is now, of course, with a barely or you know,
democratically controlled Congress and a president that will sign the bill, this was basically
their only chance to do what they've probably wanted to do for you know,
thirty forty years, to really just just pad in the billions and have all
the personnel because the ultimate the ultimate goal really is fear so that people self
well, just like self censorship, right, they self report, they pay
more, they don't fight a notice that that's erroneous telling them that they own
more taxes. They want to cultivate that fear so they get the compliance without
really having to do anything that's right, and it's been very effective. I
mean, when we look at an army of eighty seven thousand new agents,
not all of them carrying guns, but you can destroy somebody's life with a
pencil on the paper, right. And so when you look at that being
unleashed on people, and when you look at the idea that the Democrats want
to raise taxes, and for the most part, even though there were some
corporate taxes in there that got raised, for the most part, they want
to raise the revenue by squeezing it out of people with the current tax law
and by using the IRS. I think that's the thing that is really concerning
and intimidating and designed to intimidate people, right. And they're really effective at
using little buzz phrases like tax the rich, pay your fair share, and
you know these Pavlovian they get the Pavlovian response, you know, when you're
you have to be afraid that in a jury. Thankfully I didn't have such
a jury. I had a thinking jury. But the jury that's like,
well I got to pay my fair share, he got to pay his.
And they convince you, you know, over that as opposed to whether you
actually violated a law. But the yeah, the intimidation is is the go
to way that they get things done. I guess what I'm concerned about is,
Well, for what the good news? I'll say, first, it's
going to take quite a bit of time to ramp up to on board.
Even if they do have the budget for eighty seven thousand new people, it's
going to take a few years at you know, to ramp them up where
they're trained and they're actually then making phone calls and sending letters and so in
the meantime, you know, that's more Americans that can wake up and get
the law repealed or or take away their budget or and neither stop gap,
right, I mean, obviously the agencies shouldn't even exist. Yes, And
I guess that's the question. You know, we can't get the GOP to
do anything to really change this structure. You talked about how it was created
nineteen thirteen. You know, what did we do before that. I've mentioned
many times that Thomas Jefferson said and bragged about in his second inaugural address that
they had eliminated useless offices and spending in his first administration. And so he
said no American now, no no American, no farmer, no labor or
no mechanic knows the taxman. They didn't have any internal taxes at all.
They had all the government was run off of taxes at the border. But
when we had this globalization come in the early part of the twentieth century,
they started they completely reversed that to make this something coming after Americans internally,
that the internal revenue. You know, they'd had external revenue. Now it
becomes internal revenue and lockstep of the federal reserve and focusing on Americans rather than
you know, collecting the revenue at the border. So I don't really think
that the GOP is going to do anything to even pull back this increase,
do you No. I'm just saying, like, you know, the ramp
up will take a while, and we just have to keep growing our numbers.
And you know, David Knight needs to have ten and twenty and thirty
million listeners and viewers. And I won't tell them all that stuff if I
did. Yeah, there's a guy that's come out as a whistleblower in terms
of talking about how this is going to impact people, William Hank. I'm
sure that you've seen what he's had to say a former lawyer for the IRS,
and he's saying, no, they're going to focus on lower income people.
He said, that's what they've always done, and of course they're not
going to be able to raise the kinds of money. And he goes through
it. He says, YEA, they're saying they're going to raise this much
revenue. Well, there isn't that much revenue. If you're going to talk
about people making over four hundred thousand dollars, there's absolutely no way they could
squeeze that kind of revenue out of them. They're going to have to go
to the people with lower incomes. What was your experience when they would when
you were at the IRS, I mean, how how was this? Uh?
How was the split between the middle class and the poor people and wealthy
people in terms of audits, in terms of the way they come after them?
Well, there was the There would definitely be an effort to go after
the we call them poster children, the Leona Helmsley's, you know, the
and there's always one of those every year around April fifteenth. Isn't it interesting?
Right? Yeah, we call it, we with Gallo's humor, call
it tax terrorism season. Yeah, he's going to be the poster child this
year for you better pay your taxes, you know. Yeah, So we
always and there was there would be an uptick. Like basically the management was
looking even on a smaller scale, not the Willie Nelson's and the Pete Roses,
but still on a smaller scale locally, you know, okay, timing
of the indictments and the press releases and cultivating that fear. Of course they
didn't call it that, but ultimately that was just you know, they know
that they can only get so much enforcement out there, but they know how
much fear and intimidation they can generate by the publicity, and so that's always
been the priority. But you know, I worked on some famous cases that
may have been famous around the Bay Area, you know, or California at
the time, but you had but lots of you know, really people that
weren't weren't very wealthy. We're certainly targeted this investigation that we would do.
I believe they still do. You probably heard of the earned income tax credit
and every year the Congress would want us to go out the special agents because
you'd be knocking on doors. So they wanted to have the armed agents do
so, and we would find massive fraud in the e t C program and
we'd report it to Congress, and Congress would just keep increasing the budget on
it everywhere. And of course you've heard about all the Solid Security number fraud
that goes on. I mean, literally, it is such a pathetic,
ugly, gross system, don't you know. I'm still out a twenty three
years trying to wake people up. I don't know why the American people put
up with it, and I think, you know, if there were enough
we could change it. And so that's why you and I know, beat
our heads against the wall just trying to tell the truth and hope that people
will listen, because in a sense, we're inflicting our own punishment, you
know, by not gathering together and saying you've had enough. I agree,
Yeah, that is exactly it. And they take advantage of people. It's
one of the things that Think and others were saying was that they typically go
for a low hanging fruit. They go for people who don't have a lot
of money, who cannot and they guess they're not going to go out and
hire a lawyer to fight back against this like rich people would, and so
they just know that's going to be low hanging fruit. It's going to be
easy for them to get it. And we've seen that with civil asset forfeiture
as well. When they would go around Chicago, most of the cars and
things like that they're solen, have a low value. They're right around one
thousand dollars because they charge somebody if they want to fight this, they have
to come up with nine hundred dollars to start these civil proceedings to try to
prove that they're innocent. Same thing we see with the Irs. Right,
you're guilty and you have to prove that you're innocent. And so they take
the cars from these people who have cars that are only worth a little bit
more than they would have to pony up in order to contest this. And
so as a result, they just walk away with this stuff left and right.
I think that's what's happening a great deal with this as well, intimidating
people and especially preying on people they know aren't going to fight back. So
what do we tell people? What is it that people need to know about
the Irs? Because I don't want to encourage people to go directly into battle
with this corrupt organization that has a lot of power. But what do we
do in terms as citizens to try to change this thing? What would you
suggest and what do you tell your listeners about this? Well, certainly from
a you know, I realized the frustration of you know, writing writing to
your congressman and whatever it might be because they won't listen. But you know,
I still think you got to do that, and you've got to encourage
others to do that. They have to hear from people that they're upset.
The other thing is another thing is I would say, don't you know if
you can help it, find some time that rather than watching a football game
or you know, some pastime. We all need our R and R.
But learn about your rights, learn about the limits to their even over the
boundaries of authority. What to do if an agent knocks at your door?
What what do you have to do? What will what can you do?
Don't give them the rope to hang you with it? And that that's probably
the you know, phone calls and UH house visits or office visits by I
R S agents. Certainly, with if there's going to be eighty seven thousand
new agents pounding the pavement, UH, they're gonna have a lot better opportunity
to knock, do knock and talks. And if people realize they don't have
to even open the door. I mean, why do people have ring cameras
and stuff on their on their front porch, you know, I mean I
read I read an article yesterday that was actually like a next door kind of
a thing, and the woman says, the man covered my camera, so
I opened the door to find out what he was doing. Like what,
you know, don't don't open the door, you know, learn there's there's
videos out now about like the ATF you probably heard out there doing knock and
talks more more frequently because somebody bought two guns all of a sudden, it's
an arsenal or you know, some some bs premise that they give to uh
to to to fish. Yeah, show me, I want to make sure
that you still got your guns, that these weren't straw purchases. That's what
they do. And it is surprising and people and some of the people who
did record this on you know, doorbell camera then said, you know,
I knew this is wrong. I knew they didn't have a search warrant,
but I was so intimidated by it. And that's the way this works the
way the irs works as well. And if they're going to do that over
guns, you know they're going to do this with you know, eighty seven
thousand new agents. You know that there's going to be a tremendous amount of
this. You know, I think that's very sound advice to know what your
legal rights are, what their legal authority is, before this happens, because
again that once they get these agents in it, it's going to take a
little while it is, it's going to ramp up exponentially, and your chances
of having an encounter like that are going to go up exponentially as well.
I've talked in the past to a father who was trapped in this CPS type
of stuff and Dwight Mitchell, and he went through the ringer with this thing,
and he set up an organization to try to educate people about what their
rights are with this, and that was one of the first things he told
them was do not talk to these people. Everybody wants to initially talk to
them and say, yeah, let me just show you that I didn't do
anything wrong. You know, that's your first approach to it. That's not
what this is about. This is they're fishing for things, and they will
misconstrue what you're telling them for their own purposes. So he says, you
do not talk to them. That isn't it a sign that you're guilty.
It's a sign that you understand what this process is really about. And I
think that's something very important for people to understand about this new army of IRS
agents that are going to be knocking on your door, ringing your ringing your
phone. Yeah, I have your you know, I don't know, maybe
in technologies advanced quite a bit, but you know, you can monitor your
calls when they call on the answering machine, and you can hear who it
is, and it's usually a telemarketer, but it might be an IRS agent,
be somebody pretending to be an IRS agent. Even knocking at the doors.
I'm sure there'll be a whole new scams of people pretending to be IRS
agents. So there's multiple reasons why a person doesn't need to even open the
door. There's no crime against not talking. And you know, and again
in the meantime, spend some time, you know, maybe on my website,
I have links to other websites. Your website, listen to your shows,
because even when you're interviewing CPS victims and at and gun victims. It's
really all the same. It is dance card. You know, it's about
you do have rights. I mean, you know, as much as I've
been harassed over my whistle blowing, you know, I still had a trial
and there was a jury, and you know I didn't have to In fact,
I didn't testify and I was still acquitted. I was able to remain
silent because the Constitution acknowledges that I have that right. So you know,
we need to use the rights that we still have, to fight for the
rights that have been taken away and just just just fight, fight, fight,
you know, the entire the entire way, and recognize that the government,
you know, isn't your friend, and the investigators have they're looking for
more hash marks to get their promotions, and they just do not have your
best interest. Now, there are some you know that, like I believe
I went to a search warrant once as an IRS special agent, and you
know I was smiling and not like you know, nasty kind of a smile
like oh, we're getting you. But just like I had a demeanor like
I do now, you know, just like I'm trying to do the right
thing, and these other senior agents wanted to take a bunch of stuff,
a bunch of assets that weren't on the search warrant to be taken. They
basically just wanted to just ream these people by taking all their jewelry. And
I happened to be the asset forfeiture coordinator at the time, and I said,
we're not taking that stuff. We have no authority to take it.
And he says, yes, we are. You know, I'm senior to
you. I said, I'm the Asset fourfiture coordinator and I have to inventory
this stuff and explain and justify why we took it. We're not taking it.
Well, good for you. Yeah, So sid forfeiture, that's one
of the big things that's come in and of course you know IRS as well
as the DEA, all these different organizations are doing it. Now. We
have in California even a sheriff's office that is actually robbing armored cars and the
pretense that this has contaminated money. Even though the marijuana facility was legal there
in California under federal law, it's not. So we're going to steal everything
everything in your armored car it's just incredible what is happening now. But you
know, one of the things I don't want to get your take on this,
Stuart or Joe, is that you know, we have we have a
government that claims that the deficit doesn't matter anymore. This is a claim that
was made during COVID by Republicans, by Trump and the other people who signed
on to this. The only person who seemed to have a problem with the
three trillion plus expenditure was Thomas Massey, and they were furious with him try
to get him thrown out, especially Trump. And so with the Democrats,
they've embraced this modern monetary theory and they're adamant about the fact that the deficits
don't matter whatsoever. And so then the question becomes, why do we even
need to have any taxes? Is it just to take away all of our
disposable income. I think that's one of the things that needs to be pointed
out to some of these Republicans. It's like, if you guys don't really
care the deficit matters, why are you pushing us on these taxes. They
really don't have a rationale even for doing this, because they're nowhere near balancing
the budget. And they're never going to balance the budget. And they know
that. That's why some of them were talking about having a constitutional convention in
order to try to force a balanced budget. But of course that in and
of itself is a very dangerous thing. But they know that there isn't the
will to balance the budget. So why are we doing the taxes? No,
I totally agree. In fact here I was a CPA, got hired
by the I R S and all these things that I you know that,
as we joked, we're out in the conspiracy theory territory. We're all completely
factual. As far as the monetary system. The real purpose for the income
tax to you know, kind of scrape off all that excess money printing to
keep inflation under control. And when the government can you borrow endlessly from the
federal reserve to fund its operations. Why why is there a need for an
income tax? Well, of course, it's because the federal reserve prints the
money out of thin air and then lends it to the government. And the
government's role is to, you know, the point of a gun, bring
the tax money back to the to the federal reserve. In terms of interest
payments, so you know, it's too bad the public. I mean,
there's some complexities to it, but you know, books like Creature from Jackyal
Island by Jedward Griffin, America Freedom to Fascism, a film that I was
in back in two thousand and six. There's all kinds of ways, really
simple ways on the Internet for people to get the basics. They just have
to take the time to do. So I agree, Yeah, you're talking
about Jergward Griffin's book Creature from jackyl Island and some of these other things.
I think we're about ready to have another resetting of the dollar as a you
know, in the same way that Nixon took us off of the gold standard
and put us on to the petro dollar and that type of thing. Central
bank digital currency. And you know, when I think about the central bank
digital currency and their ability to preemptively control everything that we spend and to be
able to confiscate money just a flick of a switch from us, what happens
to the irs when they go to a central bank digital currency? Are these
people going to become like couber drivers when they go to fully automated taxicabs Johnny
cabs. Well, one thing you can bet on at least in all my
experience and research is that they're very forward thinking in the government and so in
fact, like in nineteen ninety eight when I was there, they had the
IRS Restructuring and Reform Act, so the you know, the oxymoronic names of
bills like the Inflation Reduction Act, the Restruction Reform Act, was not about
restructuring and reforming the IRS. It was really about hiding their tracks from stuff
they had done in the past. But they always put you know, the
pearls around the pig's neck to make it look good. But I have a
feeling that those eighty seven thousand agents in this uptick and IRS, it's about
being there and being ready when the turmoil hits with the bad currency and knowing
that people are going to maybe not pay their tax bills so that they can
survive, and they need these agents who are going to be there ready to
take your property if you don't cooperate, even if you don't have the money
to pay. I agree, yeah, taking your property. And here's the
here's where I put on my conspiracy theory tenfoil hat. I think that's what's
going to happen, is this Army of IRS agents are being prepared to try
to take assets away from people who are going to be outside of the CBDC.
That's going to be something that people are going to try to avoid,
like the plague, even more so than any plague that they that they invent.
I mean, I wasn't trying to avoid the plague myself because I didn't
believe there was a plague when it was going through. But I think that
when they push this CBDC through, they're going to have to have two different
aspects of it. One of them is going to be Okay, here's the
thing, and we want you to do this, and then we're going to
incentivize it for a little while and try to get as many people using it
as we'll do it. As we saw with the VACS scenes, right,
they're going to say, well, this is great, you ought to have
it's going to save your life. Then the next step is we'll have a
lottery here, and you know you have a chance of winning lots of money
if you take the vaccine. I think the correlation to that with a CBDC
will be that they will say, well, we're going to make it so
much easier for you they might even throw in some cash bonuses if you use
the CBDC at the beginning. But then you're going to get to the point
where they're going to try to course you. And I think that's where this
army of IRS agents are coming in. I think that's a forward thinking part
about it. People are looking at this and say, Wow, they're really
going to make our life hell with this. I think the light making your
life hell is going to be using this army of I R S agents to
attack us if we try to have a a an economy that is outside of
the CBDC. Do you agree? What do you think? I do very
much, as I know you're on board with this. We're Americans. We
don't give up. That's right. Might be collectively way too apathetic, and
we've let the cancer grow way too way too far throughout the body, but
we don't give up. And you know, people like yourself, all the
whistleblowers relating to the COVID jabs and the gain of function research and all that
stuff, those of us from you know, brave people who said I need
to tell my neighbor. I need to tell my neighbor because I care about
my neighbor that this shot is a dust shot, or that this income tax
is a scam, or that the I R S agents. You know,
you don't have to talk to them, you know, get out, spend
a little more time on protecting yourself and your family because the the resources are
out there, including the David Night Show U and you know, maybe a
little less of the football games and things like that, and you might find
that we can actually affect a change for the better. I agree, Yeah,
I think it's going to be it's going to have to be an education
thing and uh, we're going to have to warn people about a possible possibility
of how this is going to be used, tell them about how this is
currently being abused, and it's going to be a life saving issue, just
like this vaccination thing was. We go back and we look at this and
it breaks my heart to see all the people who have been killed and injured
with this and continually who continue to be misguided with all this and continue to
live in fear. And we have to push back against this. And I
think a key thing is going to be educating people around us and our group
of people that we have influence with as well as we can. And it's
also going to be making sure that we have good people in local offices.
I've been telling people, Joe that I think it's far more important who your
sheriff is than who's sitting in the oval office, because that's really going to
be more protection for you, or it's going to make things a lot worse
for you if the wrong person gets in, depending on than you know who
is in the oval office or who is even the state capitol. It's going
to be the local officials who will have your back or who will be beating
you on the back at a higher rate. And I think that's the key
thing. You look at eighty seven thousand new IRS agents and yet there's a
lot more local law enforcement officials at the sheriff's level and things like that that
could protect us against this if they understand that we're all in this together.
Yes. In fact, maybe you've interviewed him once or more than once,
Richard Mack, former sheriff in Arizona. He's got the Constitutional Sheriffs and Peace
Officers Association or CSPOA, yes dot org. And that's exactly the kind of
at least an organized effort. Any effort is good. Yeah, but that's
an organized effort to reach out to each and every sheriff across the country,
you know, excess of three thousand of them. Because one of the many
things I admire about you is reminding people about, you know, acting locally,
because how much you can how much change you can really affect locally just
with the sheriff's office. So yeah, people that check out, and that's
a key thing. You know, we can be caught up so much of
the personalities and the politics, and they want to direct us continually to Washington,
where we have the least ability to affect anything because it is so distant
from us, and not just geographically, but it is there's so many different
levels, you know, away from us that it is very difficult to have
any kind of a chance to change anything there. And the whole situation is
very rigged. Even if we want to have an honest election, that's something
that we're going to have to work for at the local level. They don't
want us having relationships with each other. They want us connected to them in
a centralized way through zoom and other things like that, rather than having face
to face meetings with other people. And that's going to be the key thing.
But I really do think that that is the way of the most dangerous
ways that this army of IRS agents are to be used, and that is
to try to shut down any alternative economy that would exist. And I think
that's going to go for cryptocurrency. I think it's going to go for people
who try to do anything in terms of a barter and local community. I
think that's what they've got this army of agents for. That's my just spidy
sense about this, if you will. Can't prove it yet, but I
think we watched this space and I think we're going to see some evident's coming.
Well, it's great talking to you, Joe. We're gonna have to
get you on again. And Agent for Truth is where people can find you,
and the name of the book that they can find there at agentfotruth dot
com. Investigating the Federal Income Tax the report to the American people. Good
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your integrity. I have the utmost admiration for you, Joe. I appreciate
what you've done and it has its own reward. I know it's been tough
for you, but it has its own reward and you have capture integrity and
that's the best any of us can do. Thank you for what you do.
Appreciate that. I admire you too, David. Thank you very much
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sometime emminently, the Democrats are pushing Biden to declare an emergency and to use
his now I guess the well established precedent of an executive order to do whatever
he wants, and so we're talking to talk to Steve about that. Thank
you for joining us, Steve hey K, thanks for having I wanted to
start with something that you found that's on junkscience dot com. I thought was
really good Conservative Climate Class episode number one, and you said, you're watching
Fox News out Numbered and before we talk about this, and you said,
look at this clip, and what is wrong here that is happening on Fox
News that you did an episode about the climate radicals from the UK going from
town to town and letting the air out of SUVs, laying the air of
the tires of the SUVs and putting, you know, a flyer on the
windshield lecturing them about climate damage. But I'm going to play this clip and
then let you comment about what happened on Fox News. So here's here's a
clip that Steve mLOY found on the Outnumbered show on Fox News. The eco
warriors, known as the Tire Extinguishers are moving across the US. In June,
they targeted dozens of SUVs in New York City, sneakily letting the air
out of tires, and their deflating tour is picking up speed. They're hitting
other cities like San Francisco, Chicago, even Scranton, Pennsylvania. And the
tire Extinguishers also leave behind pamphlets on the windshields of the cars that they vandalized,
reading, in part, attention your gas guzzler kills. We have deflated
one or more of your tires. You'll be angry, but don't take it
personally. It's not you, it's your car. This is a machine that
just ray's life with terrifying efficiency. So I appreciate everyone's concern about people getting
to places in an emergency, but I don't want to distract from the actual
point that they're trying to make. Here, is that peaceful protesting is that
this would probably not fall under civil disobedience is my understanding, But I'm not
a scholar exactly on where the line is. But I do want to point
out that there has been protesting. There has been a tremendous amount of effort
from youth, primarily worldwide, who have called attention to the climate crisis,
which often gets denied sadly on this network. And to your point about the
can and the leather and that you're the faster runner, I'm sure that's fact.
But the idea that we have a different relationship with forark today. Thank
you not to say that I'm not wearing leather on my shoes, but I
just want to bot it. It's my property and you don't get to damage
it, and nor would I damage your property ever in disagreement. I think
it's really important that we make sure that we keep this specific conversation on the
climate crisis that we're okay, all right. So Steve malloy found that and
he put that out and he said, see if you can guess what the
problem is. What is the problem there, Steve tell her audience, Well,
the problem is is that you know, these four very conservative people on
Fox News point out rightly how wrong it is what you know these climate terrorists
have been doing in England and have now brought to America, and it's all
indefensible. But then, of course, you know, the leftist panel member
that they have on the show just starts talking climate crisis, climate crisis,
and she keeps saying climate crisis, and how then she justifies what you know,
these climate terrorists are doing by saying climate crisis, and so she tried
to outflank them that way. And what was disturbing to me is that none
of the four conservative panelists on that show you went after her for claiming climate
crisis. They should. There's no climateis what's the climate crisis? Describe it.
It's summertime, it's hot in some places, like it always is,
and so it just struck me. You know, climate is a lot like
the Solen twenty twenty election. Conservatives, I'm not really allowed to challenge the
basic you know, you're not allowed to challenge the notion that Biden won,
and you're not allowed to challenge the notion that, you know, greenhouse gas
emissions are destroying the planet. And I just you know, it's either it's
either out of ignorance or they've been intimidated or told not to talk about it.
But I just find it very disturbing that and I'm watching the news today
and it's the same. You know, we have these heat waves going on
in Europe and in America, and of course, yeah it's hot there,
it's hot here, but it's cool everywhere else on the planet. Today's global
warming is about zero point three six fahrenheit warmer than the nineteen seventy nine two
thousand an average. I mean, it's not even really measurable. Yeah,
it's hot in some places, but it's cool in others. Yeah, I
want to get at I want to get You've got some great articles about Lake
Mead and about the Great Salt Lake and all the different narratives that are being
put out there. I don't want to get into that. But you know,
before we get away from this thing here, it's just amazing to me,
as you point out, they're not getting at the fundamental issue. They're
looking at the sizzle and not at the stake because they're focused on things that
are going to draw people in. They're focused on things that are going to
be sensational for the viewers. And they're also, as you point it out,
the fundamental thing is not allowed to be challenged, just as we've seen
for the last two years. You can't challenge the fundamental statements about the vaccine
or what You can't challenge the mask or them or the mandates. You can't
challenge these, that's all off limits. So you can kind of, you
know, move around this and say things like, well, you know,
you can't talk about whether the vaccine words or whether it's safe, but you
can say, but if I've had it, I shouldn't be mandated to take
it. Should naturalmunity. That's a side issue. These guys are focused on
whether or not this is as she falsely and that person was Gina Arnold.
I'd never seen her before. What an annoying speaker she is, not just
what she says, but the way she says that the vocal fry. Wow,
yeah, that's you know, but you know she is she's the one
who's staying though, as annoying as she is, she is the one who
stays focused on the issue. Yeah, you know, she's she knows that
what the tire extinguishers are doing is wrong. She knows that, but she's
you know, none of less going to outflank them. She knows that.
You know, on that panel either has to is allowed to or has to
cut to challenge the basic notion that climate is a hoax. It's a hoax.
It's not a crisis. You know that. On that show David Webb,
who I love, who's a very conservative guy who knows it climate is
nonsense. You know, he starts to sort of talk about ev waste and
you know, solar panel waste or something. He's not talking about climate though.
The climate hysteria is a hoax. And if the you know, they
should know that, like you know, they know lots of other politics,
really well, they should know that. If they don't, shame on them
for talking about this but not knowing anything about the issue. That's right.
Yeah, And they challenge her. She kind of throws it out as I
guess maybe a red herring. You know, well, I think this is
covered under civil disobedience. It's like, you're not civilly disobedient disobeying the government,
you're attacking somebody's property. And he made that point, but they get
that's a side issue. The issue, as you point out, is the
climate issue. You've got a great article also at a junct science dot com.
What is going to happen now after this Supreme Court decision that says the
EPA has usurped authority that it doesn't have. Your title is Scotus is crippled
by But there's only one way to stop them for good. What is that
way? By Steve Well? You know, so Supreme Court said that basically
Biden administration cannot regulate climate unless Congress allows them to, and in doing that,
Congress destroyed the Obama Clean Power Plan, which was regulating coal plants,
issued in twenty fifteen, which helped cause the destruction of the US coal industry,
killed fifty thousand coal high paying coal miner jobs, devastated communities, et
cetera. So now you know where do those people go back go to recoup
their losses, you know, from this illegal government action. But so despite
that, you know, Biden is set today to you know, announce that
he doesn't care what the Supreme Court says, he doesn't care what Congress says.
He's going to go often do climate by himself. And you know,
I mean, this is crazy. We have a totally rogue regime in place,
That's right, Yeah, you're right. Well, actually, you quote
the sixty three majority of the said Congress did not grant EPA the authority to
devise emissions caps based on the generation shifting approach that the agency took to the
Clean Power Plan. But as you also point out, the Biden EPA doesn't
really care. They'll just find another way to shut these things down. You
know, when you talk about what happened with coal, and we look at
how this energy shock, the fuel shock is just going throughout our entire economy,
oil, gas, all the rest of these things, but also coal.
I reminded Steve of back in nineteen seventy nine when we had the opeic
shock to our energy systems. They were saying, well, we're going to
be out of oil and natural gas by the mid nineteen eighties. That was
Time and Newsweek. I've shown that cover many times on my show. But
then inside of it they said, but we've got six hundred and sixty six
years of coal, and so six sixty six right, so we got to
get rid of the coal. That was They didn't say that, but that's
what they focused on first. Because we had so much coal, they had
to do that. This is a deliberate program of shutting down our lives.
I think I've said many times it's not about the emissions. It's about the
omissions they want to omit. All of this step from our life, don't
they. Yeah, And you know it's not at least you know, with
Jimmy Carter. You know, Jimmy Carter was just incompetent. But I mean
he did do one thing, you know, in response to the nineteen seventies
or crisis, Congress and that pass and Jimmy Carter signed a law that you
know, shifted emphasis towards coal for producing electricity and away from oil and gas,
which was very expensive at the time. And that lasted until the Obama
administration, which completely obliterated. Now here we have another energy crisis, and
we still have all this coal, and we have even more oil and gas.
And is Joe Biden tapping any of it to lower energy prices to control
inflation. No, He's doing everything he can to make it worse. He
you know, his if he declares a climate emergency or whatever executive action he's
going to try to do, he's just going to make gas prices go higher.
He's going to make electricity prices go higher. He is non incentivized at
all, you know, his the most important thing for him is his climate
agenda. The rest of us be damned. Oh yeah, Oh, it's
a deliberate deconstruction of our society. I compare him to Nero all the time
setting fires to burn down our society and then pointing to other people, I
didn't do it, he did it. You know, he's an arsonist.
He's an arsonist to our society. But you you say, there's another case
that is coming up before the Supreme Court that is very important. Tell people
about that, right, Okay, So you know, like Obama did,
Obama was stopped legislatively on climate and so what he did then was shift to
the EPA where he launched his war on coal and he issued the Clean Power
Plan and other regulations which were just devastating to the coal industry, unnecessarily devastating,
produced nothing. So now Joe Biden has been stopped legislatively in Congress also,
so he's going back to the EPA. Now what he's going to do
is he's going to try to control coal plant emissions through this back door of
air quality. And to do that, he's got to have the scientific sort
of peer review done by a led a congressionally mandated review panels called the Clean
Air Scientific Advisory Committee. Now, when Biden came into office, he fired
the existing Clean Air Scientific Advisory Committee and then reconstituted it. And the people
he reconstituted with are EPA cronies, people who have received tens of millions of
dollars in EPA grants. Now, the law requires that these people be independent
and the panel be you know, independent and balanced, But of course it's
not because it's it's just Scott. It's nothing but these EPA cronies. So
there is a there's a lawsuit right now about this. It's called Young v.
E Pa. It was argued in court in federal court in d C
last December. We are waiting for a decision at any moment now. Now,
if that decision comes down, it's going to completely stop the Biden e
PA from this. I'm trying to regulate climber through the back door of air
quality. But we're just going to have to see what happens. Now.
That's at a US district court for Washington, d C. Is that a
left leaning court? Is that likely that they're going to call him on that?
I know that you know it would look a little bit better if it
was going to go to the Supreme Court. Is that a court that you
think is going to lean lest However, and support Biden. Well, it's
it's hard to tell. The judge we have was appointed by Donald Trump,
so that that could be good. We're just I have you know, federal
court decisions, regardless of who points at judge, are often hard to predict.
So we're just gonna have to see. I think I think the cases
open and shut. I mean, it's clear that e PA has illegally stacked
these panels. The plaintiff is good, he has standing. The judge,
although he turned down the planks request for a temporary restraining order against e p
A at the time, which was February, he told e p A that
you know, E p A, if you continue down this road, you
run the risk of having are all over. So that's kind of a good
sign. But we'll see. Yeah. Yeah, Well, you know,
as I've said many times, when we put these things send it to a
court, it's kind of like a box of chocolates. You never know what
you're going to get, right Supreme Court, you know, just when you
think you got these guys figured out, they go off in a completely different
direction. But you know, so it's now, I guess this this climate
emergency, and we can talk about how it is not an emergency in a
minute, but let's talk about what the Democrats are trying to get Biden to
do. As they're screaming emergency, emergency, what is it that they're hoping
he's going to do by executive fiat. Well, I don't even think they
know. And that's why, well, that's why today you know, he's
going to be speaking in Massachusetts about climate and they were hoping he would announce
an emergency but it doesn't look like he's going to because he doesn't really know
what he can do. You know, he can, as we mentioned earlier,
you know, he can try to regulate climate through the back door at
e PA. You know, he could he could possibly, you know,
do something to halt oil drilling gas drilling on federal lands offshore, on shore,
But does he really want to do that during an oil crisis? I
would be pretty you know, Biden says I'm doing everything I can to reduce
gas prices, and it's not really true. But I mean, that would
be really openly hostile to stop oil drilling. I don't know, you know,
I don't know if you want to talk about this later, but you
know, the New York Times just released the poll, which I had to
dig on their website to find it, and I only accidentally came across this.
They did a poll with Siena College and reported that among voters only one
percent, only one percent prioritize climate And if you look at the cross tabulations
in the age group forty five to sixty four, it was zero percent,
and among Latinos it was zero percent, and of course among Republicans it was
zero percent, whereas you know, it's like thirty five percent prioritize the economy
and inflation. Yeah. Absolutely, I've talked about this and the fact that
you know, it's the economy stupid the longest time we've not you know,
this is the old axiom that goes back to the Clinton administration when he was
running for reelection. He had the Monica Lewinsky scandals and all the rest of
this stuff and being investigated, impeached, you know, and what was happening
in Europe. But none of that stuff mattered. It was the economy.
But you know, Biden's got exactly the opposite problem, and everybody is upset
about the economy. I mean, it is virtually they broke that down.
If it's the same pole that I saw they broke down the economy in about
four or five different categories, and you total up all the co and those
are the top ones. And if you toted up all those different facets of
the economy that people are worried about, that's pretty much everything that everybody is
concerned about right now. But he's going to focus on the zero to one
percent concern that is out there, so hopefully that will not work out right
now. Well, yeah, you know, I think at one percent that
is you know, prioritizees climate. I think they all work in the media
and the White House. That's right. People live in a bubble that is
unimaginable. Well, you know when they're talking about this though, as you
point out, they don't even know what he's going to be able to do,
but they want him to declare an emergency because this is now the way
that we're all governed, you know. And I've talked about this for the
longest time. I got a clip from the Russians are coming. The Russians
are coming. Everybody get from the emergency, right, and so this is
the type of thing. They just declare an emergency. Then that supposedly gives
them the ability to just you know, act as a dictator. And so
that's really what they're saying, We want you to become a climate dictator.
You know, Steve, I've talked about this many times. I call it
the climate mcguffin, just like we had a COVID mcguffin. Hitchcock talked about
how the mcguffin was this imaginary thing that motivated all the characters. Didn't really
matter what it was, as long as people didn't ask too many questions about
it, you know, it just had to motivate the characters. And we've
seen this. You and I have been watching this climate stuff for a long
time, and so we've seen how it's going to be global cooling, that
it was going to be global warming, and then it's going to be just
climate change. But it was always the same thing that had to be done.
And then when COVID happened, lo and behold, it's the same thing
again. And now back to the to the COVID mcguffin. But they just
they want the emergency power because they have a set of agenda things that they
want to do, and that one of them is to basically destroy our economy,
take away our energy and make us poor and depending on them. That's
the funny their agenda. And I don't really understand where where this comes from,
but there is a large percentage of the population that has banded together in
a political force that just wants to be able to do what they want to
do to anybody at any time. Yeah, and you know, the rule
of law be damned. Yeah, that's right. And they don't realize how
that's going to bounce back on them. That's on pointed time. You know
the problem with your having your guy be the dictator is your guy may not
always be the dictator. You set up a dictatorship that's going to come back
and bite you pretty badly. Our old friend Ed Markey and for years and
years ago, it's been almost ten years, the EPA fraud that was being
done in research Triangle Park, and of course Ed Markey was just a congressman
at the time. He's working with Obama's EPA director Lisa Jackson, and they
were telling everybody that it wasn't just about people getting sick, but more people
were dying of fine particular matter than we're dying of cancer. This is the
end They had scripted this back and forth, so Now Marky is a senator,
he's been rewarded for all that, and he wants to Biden to ban
further drilling on public lands as part of this climate emergency. I mean,
they want to shut down all energies, don't they. Yeah, no,
it's it's really incredible. You know, we are seeing in Europe, you
know, this whole global energy crisis, the war in Ukraine itself. Europe
is going to have to ration energy this winter, and it's all because of
you know, green policies, what I call climate idiocy. You know,
the only you can't have a growing economy and a rising stamlimity a living when
you try to constrain energy. But that is what these people are trying to
do. You know, Germany has paid Germans pay the highest electricity prices in
the world. They have all these windmills, all these solar panels, but
in reality there's still a heat wave over their emissions are going up. They've
accomplished nothing. Now they have to ration energy. This whole green thing has
been a disaster. But the leftist just you know, they they can't give
it up. And you know, we have the same disease in America.
It's called the Democrat Party, and of course there are a lot of Republicans
that fall for this nonsense too, and it's it's really disturbing, and I'm
not quite sure what we're gonna, you know, do about it, because
it is quite a disease. Well, and the amazing thing is that this
disease I call it cancer has really at as size to all of our vital
organs. Right. It is not just the energy that is vital for these
long supply chains that we have just in time delivery and everything, or the
manufacture or you know, using it for you know, agricultural purposes and that
type of thing. But now it is metastasized and this whole energy war has
become a part of this Ukraine war. And so I've got a headline here
from artist Steve that says a heat wave kills hundreds in Spain and Portugal.
Well, you know, the Russians are pushing this out because they've got Europe
in a tight spot as they are going to be withholding the gas from them,
and so this is just putting more and more pressure on their enemies,
you know about energy and that type of thing. And so we see how
this is being played out but it is in so many different areas are coming
after our food, our transportation, everything in our economy, and it all
comes back to the climate change. And they're using that to attack car energy
production in our food. And you raised a very good point. You know,
Putin has paid climate activists to stop Europe from fracking so that Europe would
get hooked on Russian oil and gas, and Putin funds a lot of these
climate groups to just you know, keep pushing the hysteria. And more than
Putin, you know, I mean it's China does the same thing. Congress
was investigating whether communists China was paying US environmental groups to you know wreck the
economy. That's an old that's sort of Soviet concept, wrecking the economy.
But when Democrats took over, they killed the investigation. But so now we
have, you know, this whole ESG movement, the ESG investors environmental,
social and corporate governance like you know LED like Black Rock and State Street,
all these huge banks, investment houses like Gold and Sachs. You know,
they all profit in China, and I think they're allowed to in China,
so that they pushed the climate idiocy on the rest of us. I agree.
I agree. I want to get into that ESG stuff. But let's
not leave the temperature things just yet, because this heat wave stuff we're seeing
the panic of you know, people are dying, Hundreds are dying. They
said, heat wave kills hundreds in Spain and Portugal. This is our te
telling everybody. You know, it was just back in the end of March.
You remember, Steve, when they were telling everybody, look that the
temperature just jumped forty degrees centigrade and the Antarctic and the Arctic, you remember
that, And I was like, wait a minute, how could that possibly
be because that's one hundred and four degrees fahrenheit, folks. And if that
were to happen at both poles, as they were telling everybody, how is
it that we didn't see any jump here? You know? That was the
idiotic And you remember what happened with it? What that was all based on,
right, it just based on their projections. They didn't even measure anything.
It only lasted for two days, right, Yeah, Look, anytime
there's a heat wave, people die. The good news is that less people
are dying from heat waves today than used to because we have air conditioning and
you know, we're just smarter about these things. Oh but they got a
plan for that too, though. They get run the air conditioning so we
can kill more people, get rid of the air condited. Not just the
food in the field, but the air conditioning too. Yeah, I'm sorry.
We talked about this earlier. You know. It's yeah, it's hot
in Europe, and it's hot maybe someplace else in the Midwest, but it's
cold other places, and it all averages out and the con David, remember
the con was originally called global warming. That's that's the con. And if
you look, is the globe really warming? Well not today today, there's
really no global warming because the cold is offsetting the heat of the places,
and so their narrative has failed. And it's frustrating to me that, you
know, the fact that that narrative is failed. You can't you can't get
that on TV anyplace. You can't get that on Fox News, you can't
get that on Nobody wants to talk about that. And I don't understand why.
That's right, that's right. Well, you know, interesting thing about
this whole thing. Yeah, there's a heat wave over there, but really
the globe is not really warmer over the past forty years. That's right.
So it's just weather. That's right. It's just weather, and there's no
instinction between it. And we see that on people who are pushing back on
it as well. You know, they will say the same thing when it
gets really cold. Weather is not climate, and you have to have the
data for a very long time. But we do have data now for a
very long time, and we have shown that there is no climate change.
You know, there's weather variations. And let's talk a little bit about the
weather as well. You've got a couple of good articles, one of them
about Lake Mead and then the other one about the Great Salt Lake. Let's
talk about Lake Mead first. The article at junkscience dot com. Is Lake
Mead shrinking because of climate? Let's talk about that. Tell people, is
it drinking? Well? Yeah, so well lake Neat is shrinking. Is
it climate? Well, you know, if you look back at Lake Mead's
history, you know, just maybe I think fifty years ago, the nineteen
sixties, it was as low then as it is today. So is that
climate, No, it's something else. It's it's probably you know, it
may not be raining, but that once again is weather. You know,
drought, is a natural condition out there. It is the desert, but
there's also water usage. You know, we have ramped up water usags.
The point is is that this has happened before. It could not have been
climate because there was a lot less carbon dioxide in the atmosphere. So it's
not that it's just you know, these things happen. It's probably mismanagement.
It's got nothing to do with you know, CO two emissions, and the
same thing is happening at the Great Salt Lake. I mean, if you
look back in the history, Gray Salt Lake goes up, you know,
its level goes up and down, and it has nothing to do with carbon
dioxide. But of course in the media, you know, they only look
at what's going on today, and so you know, if there's something bad
happening today, regardless of what has ever happened in the past, it's happening
bad today. It's got to be climb to change. And it's just i
mean, almost everything is blamed on climate change. Oh yeah, yeah.
As a matter of fact, you actually go back and you go to the
data, you know, for several decades, and you show the charts in
your article. It had low points in nineteen fifty six and nineteen sixty five,
and it still hasn't gotten back that. Even though it's very low now,
it hasn't gotten back to those points. And then we talked about the
Great Salt Lake. You point out this is coming from the New York Times
by as you call him. I think it's true, imbecile economist, Paul
Krugman. This is an economist, right, maybe maybe he would go back
and look at the data to know what he's talking about. Is this something?
Oh look, it's low. It must be I can use this for
my narrative. And that's exactly what they met. And you know what's incredible,
David, is that none of this is rocket science. I mean I
don't spend half my day looking for this data. I just do a Google
search and in seconds, in seconds, I come up with this. They
could do the same thing, but of course they don't want to, that's
right. No, No, they don't want to, and they want to
they want to hide the actual data. And of course I think you were
involved in that, just like I was trying to get that information about Michael
Mann, who came up with a hockey stick thing that was used by Al
Gore viciously fought and eventually one in court to be able to hide the data,
even after we had emails between him and other people saying, Hey,
our models aren't working. How do we fix this? How do we massage
the data? How do we hide the data? How do we hide the
decline? And we said, all right, you've you've published your results and
you were paid at a public institution. This has been used to craft public
policy. Can we see your data? No, you can't see the data.
Well, I think we know, you know, I think we know
what's going on with these guys. And that's exactly what happened with all this
COVID mcguffin. You know, they just keep rolling the same mo everywhere there.
Yeah, and once again, you know, it's really Republicans that are
letting us down. I mean, we elect these people. None of this.
You ran, Paul is trying to fight back, but most of these
other people they're just sort of silent and let it. You know, they
don't really do anything. And the other side is really aggressive. Yeah,
and even if they're wrong, that's what they become more aggressive. Look at
Fauci, What a sick s ob that guy is. Why is he still
in the government at his age, he's never been right about anything. He's
a malignant dwarf. Yeah, and he is making our lives miserable. And
why is he still there? What was Trump thinking? Yeah, I know
even you know, I walked the plank. Yeah, he even had people
yelling Firefaucci firefaction goes well for me, we'll see what I can do.
Yet and he didn't do anything. I mean after the election he did nothing.
He had sixty days, he did nothing. You you talked a little
bit about what is happening in Texas. Now they've got telling people, you
know, before they do rolling brown outs or blackouts, or telling industrial customers
to shut it down so they don't have to takeaway air conditioning from voters two
months before the election. So I've experienced this when I was there and they
had the windmills that froze, and now the windmills are not producing in the
middle of it anyway, what a surprise, isn't it. Well, Yeah,
and you know, even in a red state like Texas, the Republican
politicians have been purchased by the wind industry and allowed to They have destroyed the
electricity grid in Texas, so that you know, you mentioned that Valentine's Day
twenty twenty one disaster where you know, two hundred people died because the windmills
froze and blackouts ensued. Yeah, and now you know, we're having the
increasing likelihood of blackouts in Texas and rationally because the wind industry has been allowed
to purchase politicians, right, and it's you know, what do you do?
Do you attack Governor Greg Abbott and all the other Republican governors so that
they get replaced by Democrats who are could be worse. I mean, we
are in a real fix. Yeah, we've got to We've got to fix
us ourselves, that's right. Yeah. Yeah. You know, the entire
time I was there for about a little over nine years, I watched them
decommissioning power plant after power plant, and this is what's happening across our country.
And there was a tremendous amount I forget how many billions of dollars or
tens of billions of dollars that the state of Texas gave to these people who
were already billionaires. The same type of thing they do, you know,
for putting in football stadiums or baseball stadiums or something like that gave them a
tremendous amount of money to build this infrastructure for these windmills, large windmill fields
there, and yet they're not able to deliver. And so it was all
about graft and corruption, and they bought these officials and they put this in
there. And these people, a lot of them had been people who had
been in the oil and natural gas industry because and they wanted to get in
on the ground floor of something that was completely new and different and force people
through the government to make that change and to get the government to subsidize it.
I mean, it's just corruption writ large, right. No, And
none of this stuff works. We know it doesn't work and it's not going
to work anytime soon. And of course you know the dirty little secret behind
all this not only does it not work and it costs more money, it
all comes from China. It doesn't come from here, that's right. And
you know, if we were to, if it were even possible to get
hooked up on this stuff, we would be at the mercy of communists China,
because it's the it's where wind comes, the wind, the rare air
earths that make the windmills work, the solar. Same with the solar panels.
You know, slave labor is China, the EV batteries of all the
rare earths and cobalt processing happens in China. I mean, this is just
a disaster. Yet we're letting it happen. You know, the investment in
these windmills and the utilities. They make money from putting this stuff up.
They make money now, and so they get their bone, the you know,
managements, get their bonuses and everything now and the rest of us are
left with, you know, the craft that doesn't work. That's right.
Yeah, And this goes back just like Earth Day in the environmental movement,
this goes back to you know, the seventies and Nixon administration where they put
China in the catbird seat. They made the decision that they were going to
let these people be the center of the global economy. They had slave labor,
they had other things that they could use, and they've really been used
I think Steve as a beta test site for all this stuff you talked about.
You had a tweet you said, a creepy, elitist, power crazed
World Economic Forum call thre call three even higher gas prices to hasten the green
energy transition, and yeah, that's absolutely true. You know, at least
you can see what the World Economic Forum is putting up out there. I
looked at that and it's like I clicked on. It's like, oh,
that's right. I can't view anything they've got because they blocked me. I
didn't realize they blocked me. I hadn't even trolled them by saying stuff like
we're gonna be careful, they're going to block you. I'd never directly attacked
them and call them creepy, elitist, power crazed people, which they are,
but I never addressed them directly those adjectives. But they preemptively blocked me.
It's kind of strange, but yeah, that is really where I think.
You know, these these politicians that you pointed out, with this two
party system, they only have to be slightly better than the other guy,
and then they can essentially ford this agenda that is anti American and anti human.
And this is what is happening in country after country, you know,
whether you're looking at New Zealand or Canada, and it's what happened during the
COVID thing. But that's Sport's happening. Yeah, you mentioned something very important
there. This is an anti human agenda. Yeah, you all that.
In the mid nineteen sixties, Paul Arley, who wrote The Population Bomb and
is still a full professor at Stanford and is a member of prestigious National Academy
Size Guid's never been right about anything anyway. He said that the carrying capacity
of the planet is about two billion people. Well later this year we are
forecast to hit eight billion people. And I think that these people, the
World Economic Forum and the people that get involved with them, and Democrats and
leftists, they really think that six billion people need to step off the planet,
and they're doing the best they can to get us there. Oh yeah,
oh absolutely. Yeah. You look at the Georgia guidestones that somebody just
fortunately took out for us. I don't know what was up about that,
but you know, they had even just a half a billion, you know,
they were even morem Althusian than Paul Erlick. I didn't know he was
still around, let alone teaching. Is that guy? What is he like
ninety years old or something? Yeah, I don't hear very often. He
blocked me. So there you go. Yeah, we're being shut down.
We can no longer allowed to see evil or to here evil because we'll speak
about evil. So the World Economic Forum blocks me, he blocks you.
That's that's funny. Yeah. Uh, Germany is planning warm up spaces for
this winter. They're going to be wishing for global warming pretty soon, aren't
they. I mean that. And we're seeing and we've talked about this many
times in the past, how it was already long ago because the high prices
in Germany as they were rolling into this expensive pensioners and people who didn't have
the money, uh to cut back on the term and and that's really going
to be coming up big time this fall, isn't it. Yeah. So
it's really weird. You know there Germany, which used to be a technological
leader. You know, they've fallen through this green stuff which doesn't work.
They're shutting down their nuclear plants. Maybe they're slowing some of that down now
they're going to have to reopen coal plants, you know, against their agenda.
But you know, just today they're there's more news putin is you know,
squeezing no Moro on gas and you know they're they're thinking about, yeah,
we're going to need to have communal eating places and how else can we
crash and electricity. I mean, the whole thing is just a disaster,
and you kind of wonder, like, why aren't people up in arms about
this. Instead they elect this new green government, you know, they get
rid of Merkele, who is bad enough. Now they have been forced to
reopen like twenty seven coal plants. Yeah, but they don't want to and
they can't wait to shut them down again. Yeah, I know. Yeah.
As a matter of fact, Soro said, Davos was just railing about
how Merkele had thrown them under the bus because she hadn't done enough to do
renewables and left them vulnerable to these fossil fuels and everything, which is really
the only thing that's going to keep them alive come winter. It's pretty amazing.
And they're now talking in all these different places in your up about,
well, should we let the peasants go out and gather wood so they can
heat themselves. You know, they're seriously you know, you know, they're
talking about gathering wood for fuel, but they're not fully on board that because
you know, we shouldn't let them be able to go through uh and collect
uh, you know, dead wood out of the forest to heat themselves.
It's amazing. It's turning medieval, isn't it. It is totally medieval.
And you know, now we have this sort of looming global food crisis because
you know, Russia can't export its wheat will let Ukraine to explore its and
you know in America we burn grain for it, We burned food for energy.
Because we have all these athmol exactly would like who is in charge and
who votes for these people? And what schools did they go to? I
don't I don't know where every where all these people came from, because they've
all lost their minds. Well, they're they're graduates of the World Economic Forum.
Klaus Robins got one of those people. But how did they acquire all
this power and all this money because they are obviously too stupid to do anything.
Yeah, how did it happen? Well, you know, they're smart
enough to get into these institutions. I had people ask me that say,
how do we wind up with all the universities and schools being controlled by these
radical leftist liberals and things like? Well, because you know, they they
love it, They love those institutions and they want to be part of them.
These are the kinds of people when we were in high school. They
wanted to be the leaders of student government. You know, I didn't want
to have anything to do with it, but you know it works out for
them. Yeah, I'll go to step further. I mean, they have
purposely captured these institutions, which is not they just gravitate there. They have
purposely captured them. I agree. You know, there was a great radio
series starting Dana Andrews from the nineteen fifties. I was a communist for the
FBI, I used to and the episodes are great because they explain how since
the nineteen twenties, and they do it through you know, recreations of story
by FBI ages of how communists have purposely tried to capture these institute shoots,
yes, and control them for their for these purposes. That's right. Yeah,
the Frankfort Institute. They made it a deliberate goal to capture Hollywood and
things like that, and they they've been very successful at that. It's been
a long running plan. Yeah. You talk about and we were mentioning air
conditioning earlier. Uh, and you got an article junk science dot com ozone
hole depletion hysteria debunked anew tell us about that because they're just rolling out they're
about to rev the version of refrigerate that we got yet again. You know,
they did it once before and said sorry, you can't have that.
Now we got something's going to be safe for the ozone layer. And now
as their patent, I guess is about to expire. That was Eric Peters
take on that. Yes. And Republicans yeah, like John Kennedy and Bill
Cassie and Louisiana behind this. Yes, so o's other whole steria born in
the nineteen seventies. The guys that discovered the chemistry behind ozone hole hysteria won
the Nobel Prize. And what they discovered was there, you know, was
some thinning over the Antarctic and the ozone layer which protects us from the UV
layer from the UV radiation from the sun. It wasn't a hole, it
was just some thinning. No one really understood it. These guys figured out
that chloroflora carbons are refrigerants. When they escape into the atmosphere, they destroy
the ozo and and for that they won the Nobel Prize. We got the
Montreal Protocol, which was pushed by environmentalists of course, as well as DuPont
who was losing its patents on CFC's And of course since then we've been on
this all. You know, we keep replacing refrigerants and they keep getting needlessly
more expensive. Well, a couple of weeks ago they you know, I
never believed ozone hysteria. It's true, the chemistry neither did. I let
me ask you this too. I mean I was always under the impression that
never looked before. I mean, they never looked before. Are they ever
looking at the ozone layer over the poles? Was that it was the first
time they looked at as I know, it's a thinning there, and so
well, yeah, so and so two weeks ago there's a study that comes
out that says, you know what, there's been an ozone hole over the
tropics since the nineteen eighties. They didn't even notice it because there was nothing
happening, because there's nothing there. It's just, you know, we have
an excess of protective ozone in the stratospirit. If it gets thin here and
there, it doesn't really matter. And so the whole thing has been a
hoax. Now. I remember, more than about twenty years ago, when
al Gore was developing his slide show, I was in a meeting where I
got to see his slide show, and he made this remark in his mark
was, you know, the purpose of the Montreal Protocol was not to protect
the ozone layer. It was to show that we could get a global climate
tree. Oh okay, it's about global government. And that is where we
are now because out of the Montreal Protocol comes the you know, the the
United Nations Framework on Climate Change, which you know, George Bush the Elder
signed in nineteen ninety two in Rio, and out of that was the Kyoto
Protocol in the Paris Climate Court. So all this stuff, you know,
the fruit of the poisonous tree. The poisonous tree is the Montreal Protocol totally
bogus. There's there's no problem with the ozone There never has been. We
paid needlessly more for refrigerants. We have Senator Kennedy and Bill Cassidy and other
Republicans going along with Democrats, you know, signing a bill at the end
of the Trump administration to force ep to make EPA, force us out of
the refrigerants we're using right now. Now, there's an amendment to the Montreal
Protocol that's been in the Senate right now that Senator Kennedy is probably for as
well as Bill Cassidy, because the refrigerant industry and the environmentals are pushing is
called the Kigali Amendment, and it's going to force us out of our current
refrigerates into something into technology that does not even exist yet. Wow, the
whole thing is a nightmare. You know, people think Senator Kennedy's funny when
he goes on TVs as all sorts of folksy things. I'd like to see
someone ask Sataty Kennedy about this. Yeah, Yeah, the Kagaliy Amendment.
It sounds like Hegelian. That's amazing. That's the way they pushed us.
You know, you're talking about this, and they had to have see if
they could get a world agreement. And I've talked to we were talking before
about how the plan for the longest time has been depopulation and going back to
when the Pope put out his Climate in cyclical, a guy who was very
instrumental in that, who was the Vatican Science Director that was writing that was
John schellen Hooper, and he had been at the right hand of Prince Charleton.
They had been conspiring to do this World League thing. And a Planetary
Council and an earth Kind Institution. I mean, everything about these guys is
to centralize all power and wealth into their hands globally and to depopulate everybody else.
And it just keeps you know, you have all these different organizations,
but they all have the same goal and it's that and you have the same
people that keep you know, showing up in all of these these organizations for
global control and world depopulation. It truly is amazing. Let's talk, I
said, we get to the ESG stuff. Let's talk a little bit about
the ESG because now these scorers are really the new corporate bench mark, aren't
they. I mean, we're not really worried about Moody's or any financial ratings.
Now we're worried about the ESG score that everybody's got. Well. Yeah,
the whole notion is that, you know, we the left can't get
more stringent environmental and social standards through Congress, so they're going to They've created
these you know, fake international bodies that are imposing these standards through left wing
investors on corporations. Is a you know, it's it's basically a communist plot
to circumvent democracy, to capture corporations for their political purposes, and it's working.
And you know, this is led by Wall Street firms, Goldman Sachs,
especially Black Rocks, State Street banks, people that mentioned that manage our
pensions and manage pension funds for states. They use all our money to amass
political power for themselves. Now, you know, there's a pushback. States
like Texas have pushed back against Black Rock Tennessee from other states, and there's
a growing West Virginia. There's a growing movement among red states to push back
against these guys. But of course the bankers are pushing back on their own
and it's a real struggle. And you have also the Biden Securities and Exchange
Commission. You know, it's it's got all these you know, it's starting
to get itself involved in ESG pushing ESG rules. They've also got a proposed
rule to require companies disclose their greenhouse gas emissions and what they're doing on climate.
And the whole purpose of this is really to capture the corporation. And
we talked about how the left has captured all virtually every institution in America.
Yeah, and we've seen now with woke corporations they have made substantial progress in
capturing those corporations. And you know, as someone who does shareholder activism myself,
you know, I can see they certainly have made tremendous progress against corporations
and so ESG is just another tool to you know, help bring that about.
That's right. You've gone to the Exxon meeting, for example, and
others and standing up saying what are you doing? Because they're not they're not
focused on their product, they're not focused on their customer. They've got one
customer, and that is the you know, the people who are doing the
ESG ratings and the government it is to do. They're bidding and that's one
of the reasons why you see so much contempt for their customers from these big
corporations. But it's really being driven by Black Rock, as you pointed out,
Vanguard, I mean, the big three holding companies. They've got about
thirty trillion dollars worth of stock and they're using that as leverage against these corporations.
And now, like I said before, you know, they used to
have Moody's and other financial rating scores and things like that, but now they're
all concerned about their ESG scores. There's a new MIT Sloan study says,
hey, we're seeing widespread and repeated retroactive changes to ESG scores. So they're
they're looking at this like somebody would raise a red flag about someone manipulating the
Moody ratings or something like, well, what's going on here? You know,
this is the way we evaluate corporations anymore. It's not by their profits,
it's not by products. It's now by are they going to push the
environmental agenda? Are they going to push this diversity, inclusivity and all that
stuff equity? Yeah, and so these scores are being used by Wall Street
to deny finance to company. And you know the next step here is to
you know, take ESG scores and kind of turn them into social credit scores
for individuals. Yes, so you know, if you use too much energy
or do the wrong things and own guns and stuff like that, you won't
be able to get financing for your house or whatever you need. It's all,
you know, very big brother stuff coming down the road. And once
again our Republicans doing anything, nothing, not much. We've got some action
going on in the States, but in Congress, Republics even really understand this
and no. Yeah, well, you know, they're rolling out the financial
tools to control this stuff with the Central Bank digital currencies, and they've already
talked about the fact, well we're going to follow your carbon footprint and you
know what, what are you eating? You know, I'm sorry, you've
already bought too much meat this month, so we're not going to let you
buy this because we now control all the money centrally. And then when it
comes to the social side of this, well, I'm sorry, I don't
like what you had to say on social media, and you know, the
world economic form has blocked you or whatever, so now you're not going to
be able to fill in the blank and they're going to cut you off from
that standpoint. That's really where this is rolling out, that that kind of
social credit like we've seen already done this to China. H yeah, this
is happening in China, and of course it's happening here too. Go to
twitters. See long you last saw Twitter? Is speaking your mind? Oh
yeah, I know, yeah, well you know it was it was a
little over a year ago, after I'd done the show on my own for
about six months that PayPal suddenly PayPal and Venmo just suddenly without any explanation.
I could never get them to explain to me. I'll have to sue them
if I want to get an explanation. They won't tell me. But they
just pulled it. I can't even use them as an individual. That's what
this is going to look like for everybody if they roll in this CBDC.
We've seen it in Canada with the truckers and Trudeau coming after after their stuff.
But it truly is amazing that they're able to get away with this,
and it truly is amazing that the politicians in Washington are not doing anything about
that. And as you point out, there's no in the Republican Party that's
even talking about that, none of the politicians. And one, where where
is Mitch McConnell, Where is Kevin McCarthy? Where are these people nowhere?
Well, almost every time I talk about Mitch McConnell, I point out the
insight that you had. And I'm still kicking myself because I didn't see it.
But you said right after the election, you said, they're going to
get back into this Paris climate thing right away, and you figured this out,
and it was great that you figured this out. And I tried to
publicize it as much like it. But you said this Paris climate thing is
going to come back with Biden, and it did, and you said,
the way to stop this is for Mitch McConnell to hold a vote, because
there's no way they got the votes to ratify this as a treaty, and
that would end it once and for all. Everybody was going back and forth
about well, what is Trump going to do? This? Is Trump going
to do that to stop the Paris Climate cork? It should have been Mitch
McConnell, and he could have done it even in the Biden administration when Biden
said we've self ratified, you know, carry and I decided we'll sign it.
You can't do that. They're just making this stuff up. He should
have called their bluff. But he didn't do it because he didn't want to
write. Yeah, well, you know. It's interesting because he did do
it with the Green New Deal during the Trump administration when that first came up,
he brought that to a vote and of course all Republicans voted against it
and no Democrats voted at all. But for some reason he wouldn't do it
with the Paris Climate Accord, and he should have done it, because that
would have put an end to it and we would not be in the Paris
Climate Accord now. But yeah, yeah, yeah. Even the people who
are true believers and all this climate change stuff, I've seen them very angry
about this because they said, how can this be addressing what we think is
a global problem if you're going to allow China and India to continue to add
as many power plants as dirty as they are forever, you know what,
not forever, but you know for decades while you're cutting it down here,
you're just rearranging the economic chairs on the Titanic, they say, And you're
not doing anything to address the problem if you let China and India go free.
Yeah, well, you know, I guess that's you know, you
mentioned it earlier. The World Economic Forum's idea was that China would just be
this, you know, basically open sewer that produces all the goods and you
know it's dirty over there, who cares it's clean everyplace else? But of
course, you know, China has its own mind. It's run by this
aggressive communist party. Oh yeah, that is realizing, God, we have
all this power, We can do whatever we want. You know, we
can take Taiwan and there's nothing anybody can do about it, or would dare
do anything about because we'll just shut down their economies. That's right, that's
right. I think that had a lot to do. I've said this from
the beginning. I think that that what they did in Shanghai was signaling to
everybody, look, we can shut you all down. Yeah, when they
shut down Shanghai, I think that was a very clever warning signal. Nobody
else is really talking about that. Maybe they're afraid to talk about it.
Well. Yeah, Look, if it comes to end times, the Chinese
have shown they can do whatever they want to their own people. That's right.
There's not going to be an uprising at home because they've got that locked
down. Yeah, so they can go to you know, war for keeps
for everything against everybody else. They don't care, that's right. They don't
care about their people, and they can they can do that to their people
as a weapon. There was one thing that you mentioned on junk science dot
com. Kentucky Attorney General is saying that ESG investing is a breach of an
asset manager's forduciary study. So I don't want to in the time that we've
got without touching on that, is there any hope that that is going to
be an effective strategy against that? That's a great move. Well, you
know, there's a lot of education that needs to go on. People need
to realize that. You know, if you hire an investment manager for your
money, of course is the duciary duty is legal duty is to increase your
investment. It's not to implement somebody else, you know, his own social
policy with your money. And it's it's odd that you actually have to say
that, but the Kentucky Attorney General has now issued an opinion and that needs
to unfortunately, have to be marketed to everybody else's they realize that, you
know, people that are pushing ESG versus trying to make money for you or
investors or state pension funds or whatever it is, that's all illegal. That's
right, That's right. Yeah, that should be echoed very very loudly.
It's why I wanted to get to that. And always you're right at the
center of everything, Steve, I really do you're coming on? No,
I mean, you picked that up. I haven't seen anybody else pick that
up. The fact that the Kentucky Attorney General is saying, hey, you're
breaching your fiduciary trust. You were supposed to make money for these people,
make money for the pension plans, and you're out, you know, chasing
your rainbows or whatever. Literally, where is the media on all this?
I mean, I find it hard to believe that the last more than thirty
years on this nonsense. None of it is rocket science. It's just it's
just inconvenient facts that nobody wants to consider, even people on our own side.
I agree. I agree. Well, thank you so much for coming
on. I'm glad you're feeling better. And folks, if you want to
know what is happening at the epicenter and somebody who stays on top of it
and sees what is happening across the political and economic spectrum, that's Steve molloy
at junk science dot com. Thank you very much, Steve, appreciate it,
David, thanks for having me. Thank you all right, folks.
In a little bit of time that we have left, I can't let today's
show end without talking about the new historical location, or as some people have
said, a new hysterical location on Google Maps, and that is Brandon Falls.
Yes, people actually got it. On Google Maps for about a day
they marked the spot where Biden fell off of his bicycle. They marked it
as Brandon Falls, and then Google removed it after people started leaving reviews,
and so then somebody put up a bicycle shop at the same location, and
the comments and the reviews of the bicycle shop were very nice place to ride
a bike. Be careful not to cause too much inflation in your tires or
you can end up crashing your whole bike into the ground. But what happens,
you just blame putin and people will fall for it. Another one said
the bicycle shop there, Brandon's Bicycle Shop, wonderful place, better than Niagara
Falls, a true hysterical landmark. I came across this place by accident on
my bicycle. Get your ice cream there as well, but leave your kids
at home. And that was echoed by other people who said, great tacos
and ice cream at the Brandon bicycle Shop, but it is not kid friendly.
Not kid friends. Somebody else who is not kid friendly is Nicki Haley.
I like this headline Hillary Clinton levels of cringe. That was a comment
of one person who was looking at Nicki Haley so desperate for power that is
a very big warning sign. One of the most vicious authoritarian warmongers I've ever
seen in my life from any political party is Nicky Haley, and for the
life of me, can't understand why so many Christians find her attractive. That's
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