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Using free speech to free minds.
You are listening to the David Knights Show.

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As the clock strikes thirteen, It's
Thursday, the twenty fourth of November,

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Year of Our Lord, twenty twenty
two, Thanksgiving Day, A nine

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hundred and eighty seven medical martial law
with an emergency. Is just a couple

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of years ago that we had most
churches shut down afraid to open up.

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Two years ago, a year ago, we had the specter hanging over so

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many people of vaccine mandates. Many
people are still struggling with the toxin that

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was going out. Today, we're
going to talk about the Christian principles that

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founded this country. We're going to
talk about Thanksgiving. We're going to talk

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about the real history. Forget about
Projects sixteen nineteen. We're going to talk

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about God's Project sixteen twenty, the
real history. Stay with us. We'll

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be right back. Whereas it is
the duty of all nations to acknowledge the

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providence of Almighty God, to obey
his will, to be grateful for his

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benefits, and humbly to implore his
protection and favor. And whereas both Houses

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of Congress have by their joint Committee, requested me to recommend to the people

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of the United States, a day
of public thanksgiving and prayer to be observed

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by acknowledging, with grateful hearts the
many signal favors of Almighty God, especially

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by affording them an opportunity peaceably to
establish a form of government for their safety

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and happiness. Now, therefore,
I do recommend and assign Thursday, the

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twenty sixth of November next to be
devoted by the people of these States to

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the service of that great and glorious
Being, who is the beneficent author of

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all good that was, that is, or that will be. That we

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may then all unite in rendering under
Him our sincere and humble thinks. For

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his kind care and protection of the
people of this country previous to their becoming

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a nation, for the signal and
manifold mercies, and the favorable interpositions of

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His providence which we experience, and
the course and the conclusion of the late

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war, And for the great degree
of tranquility, union, and plenty which

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we have since enjoyed, For the
peaceful and rational manner in which we have

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been enabled to establish constitutions of government
for our safety and happiness, And particularly

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the nation one now lately instituted for
the civil and religious liberty with which we

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are blessed, and the means we
have of acquiring and diffusing useful knowledge,

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and in general, for all the
great and various favors which He hath been

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pleased to confer upon us. Also, that we may then unite in most

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humbly offering our prayers and supplications to
the Great Lord and Ruler of nations,

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and beseech Him to pardon our national
and other transgressions, to enable us,

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all, whether in public or private
stations, to perform our several and relative

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duties properly and punctually. To render
our national government of blessing to all the

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people, by constantly being a government
of wise, just and constitutional laws,

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discreetly and faithfully executed and obeyed,
to protect and guide all sovereigns and nations,

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especially those that have shown kindness to
us, and to bless them with

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good government, peace and concord.
To promote the knowledge and practice of true

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religion and virtue, and the increase
of science among them and us, And

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to generally grant unto all mankind such
a degree of temporal prosperity as He alone

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knows to be best given under my
hand at the City of New York the

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third day of October and the year
of our Lord seventeen eighty nine. George

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Washington. Well, you know,
when we look at this, we talk

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about making America great again, don't
we will? God make America grateful again.

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That was our first president. Very
different from our last and current presidents,

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isnt you know? God blessed this
country because people are grateful to Him

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for the blessing of liberty. Now
he talked about year of our Lord.

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Which Lord? Would that be?
The Lord that we mark time from the

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Lord Jesus Christ. So let's talk
a little bit about Thanksgiving. Let's talk

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about God's project, the sixteen twenty
project. You know, We've got we

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have PBS, we have the New
York Times, we have academia and media

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are focused on removing God. A
good example of that is this PBS documentary

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to rewrite history, to take God
out of the picture. Listen to this

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trailer for a very expensive and slick
production produced with your tax dollars. If

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you ask people where does America start, they'll say it starts in Plymouth Rock.

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There's more to the story than the
story. We all know. They

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were a very small group of very
extreme people. They weren't the people that

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you would expect to be founding a
new colony. There's a sense that they

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came to America in search of religious
freedom. They didn't the Pilgrims on American

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Experience. Yeah, there's a sense. There's a sense, isn't it that

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they came to America for religious freedom? But they didn't. Oh? Really,

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you know better? Right? You
know the problem is that we have

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the diaries from the people. We
have lots of original history. This is

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not something that we have to read
tea leaves or go through archaeological digs to

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figure out they kept diaries. PBS
knows that you're not going to read those

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diaries, so they can lie to
you about it now. That American Experience

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quote unquote was done before they started
the sixteen nineteen project, I believe.

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So they tried to tell you,
well, you know, we all think

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of America as beginning with the Pilgrims, and for good reason, the Mayflower.

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But we're going to tell you that
all that was wrong. We're going

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to remove God from the picture.
And then when the project sixteen nineteen of

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the New York Times, what they
did was they removed the Pilgrims in Mayflower

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from history. They relocated the founding
of America from people who were seeking freedom

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from religious persecution, who just sought
to live a life of independence with their

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families, away from religious persecution,
and they changed it to Jamestown sixteen nineteen

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Project sixteen nineteen. Why did they
do that, well, because Jamestown was

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a very different colony. Jamestown was
more focused on economics. People a lot

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of people who went to Jameson and
it was only after the initial first few

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years that they actually started bringing families. For the most part, there were

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people who are trying to make an
economic start for themselves. Many of them

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came as indentured servants. After a
few years, they replaced the European indentured

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servants who could work their way out. They replaced them with chattel slavery,

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African slaves. And so that's what
they want to focus on with America.

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So four hundred years later, those
who seek to destroy our nation are busy

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destroying both its history and it's Christian
principles. And that America was shaped by

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Christian principles. Now, the leaders
were not perfect, you know, and

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they did not follow those principles,
but that was what they aspired to.

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And look, none of us are
perfect either, none of us. So

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when they go back, you go
back and say, well, look,

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their theology was here or there,
or they didn't do this, or they

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didn't do that, or they kept
slaves or they did whatever. Yeah,

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they were hypocrites, just as we
are all hypocrites. But they aspired to

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Christian principles and it was those Christian
principles that laid the foundation for our country

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legally as well as culturally. So
today we're going to talk about Thanksgiving,

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and they're going to have some best
of interviews that'll finish the rest of the

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program today. But you know,
there's a lot of different lessons that we

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can take from Thanksgiving and that have
been done in the past. We could

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talk about Thanksgiving and the triumph of
private property and personal responsibility over the tragedy

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of the commons. That's something's been
very popular with conservatives to talk about,

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and it is true. You know, when Pilgrims landed, they went through

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some very times. As Bradford Another's
point out, look, you know we

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nearly starved because first of all,
they came relying on God and not really

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knowing much about agriculture. We'll talk
about that in a moment. But they

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also wanted to have everything in common. They're Christians, so it was like,

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oh, yeah, we're all Christians, so let's not have everything in

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common. And the problem is is
that's the tragedy of the commons. Nobody

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had the private property of the personal
responsibility to make this stuff happen. And

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guess what, it didn't happen.
And so they changed. Everybody's going to

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have a plot of land that's going
to be your land. You're going to

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grow your food. If you've got
extra food, you can help the people

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who didn't do a good job.
But everybody's going to work on this.

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That was an important lesson. Russian
imboy used to talk about that on a

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regular basis. That was kind of
his take on Thanksgiving, and that's an

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important lesson and it's a true lesson. We could also talk about the peace

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and the harmony of different tongues and
tribes to make a unified nation. Eventually.

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That was the narrative in the mid
twentieth century when I was growing up,

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it was very popular America as a
melting pot different cultures coming together for

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a common nation to build that nation
that was the America of the immigrants of

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my parents' generation and the ones before
that. They would come to America because

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they wanted to join America. They
didn't want to just they wanted to they

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embraced American values. They weren't just
coming so they could have the material wealth

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that we have, but they wanted
to become Americans, not just come for

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economic reasons and head back to wherever
they came from, or not just to

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take over, but they wanted to
embrace the values that they had seen in

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this country. That was a very
real narrative in this story. You could

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see the Pilgrims and the Indians coming
together. This is the way that it

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was typically taught to me in the
government school at that time. They would

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talk about how these two different groups
had come together. They would build and

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use each other's strengths and build something
that was stronger than what they had individually.

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Take the best from each other.
But that is totally different from what

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we're taught today today. The communists
who run our institutions are determined to enhance

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our differences and to make us hate
each other for those differences. Instead of

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coming together and becoming stronger, taking
the best that each of us have,

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and creating something that is new.
That was what America was always about.

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But today every difference is magnified and
used to divide us because as how the

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communists seek to the story of this
country, so that narrative as somewhat diminished.

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And they didn't just come together.
If you go back and you look

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at the history, they didn't just
come together for a meal and then start

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shooting at each other. They lived
together peacefully for fifty five years from sixteen

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twenty to sixteen seventy five until they
had King phillips Ar. Yes, it

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was not perfect, because human beings
are not perfect. There were encroachments on

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both sides. There'd be flare ups
and other crimes, and you know,

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within their communities of course. But
then when it was between the two different

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communities, that's when things got a
little bit more complicated. But they ironed

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out those differences and they had peace. Like I said, for fifty five

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years, that's not too bad.
That's a couple of generations. Do we

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do that well today? You know, God never talks about different By the

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way, right, these are two
tribes coming out He had the tribes of

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the pilgrims, and he had some
of the Indian tribes, several different Indian

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tribes that were there. And the
Indian tribes had differences amongst themselves. They

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were not a I'm a genius group
that was always at peace with each other

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either. And so you have different
tribes, you have different tongues, and

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that's the way God describes us.
God does not talk about different races in

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the Bible. He talks about nations, tongues, and tribes. You know,

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Michael Savage talks about borders, language, and culture. I don't know

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if he got that from the Bible. You know, this is something that

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runs throughout the Bible. I don't
know if he got it from that or

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if he just got it from observation. Because it's true. It's true,

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and so he could have noticed that
himself where he could have gotten it from

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the ancient writings. But it's true. Never the us, and so God

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goes on further. I mean,
we don't have different races. He has

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made all nations of one blood.
We're all descended from Adam and later from

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Noah. So we have different political
entities, we have different cultures, we

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have different languages, but we're all
created in the image of God. We're

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all of one blood. That was
how the Pilgrims saw it. They sought

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to help people with a Christian religion
by spreading it. But we could look

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at that aspect of the peace and
harmony of different tongues and tribes coming together

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to form a nation. There's going
to be greater than the sum of the

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two parts. We could also look
at it as the historical significance of the

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Mayflower Compact, or as it's more
accurately described, the Mayflower Combination. This

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is the document that they put together
themselves when they realized that they were out

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of the legal jurisdiction of where they
were headed and they didn't have anything to

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govern themselves. But it really wasn't
so much a political document. It was

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a groundbreaking moment, a groundbreaking document
because it was the first time that people

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had come together voluntarily to create something
that would eventually become the instruments of governance.

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You know, it is there as
the foundation that was later built upon

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with the Declaration of Independence and the
Constitution many other things. Here's what they

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wrote when they realized they weren't a
place that they had not intended to go

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and that there was no contract,
no legal definition of how they were to

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operate. This is what they said, So just keep in mind what the

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American experience, what PBS is telling
you. They didn't do this because of

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religion. Did they even bother to
read the Mayflower Combination or the Compact,

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if you will, In the name
of God, Amen, That's how they

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begin it. We whose names are
underwritten, the loyal subjects of our dread

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Sovereign Lord, King James, by
the grace of God, of Great Britain,

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France and Ireland, King Defender of
the Faith, etc. Having undertaken,

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for the glory of God and the
advancement of the Christian Faith and the

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honor of our King and Country,
a voyage to plant the first colony in

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the northern parts of Virginia, Do, by these presents, solemnly and mutually,

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in the presence of God and one
another, covenant and combine ourselves together

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into a civil body politic for our
better ordering and preservation and furtherance of the

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ends aforesaid, And by virtue here
of do enact, constitute, and frame

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such just and equal laws, ordinances, acts, constitutions, and officers from

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time to time as shall be thought
most meet and convenient for the general good

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of the colony, unto which we
promise all due submission and obedience and witness,

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whereof we have here unto subscribed our
names at Cape Cod the eleventh of

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November and the reign of our Sovereign
Lord, King James of England, France

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and Ireland, the eighteenth end of
Scotland the fifty fourth no domini that means

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year of our Lord, sixteen twenty. So the Mayflower Compact is America's foundational

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document. PBS wants you to believe
that had nothing to do with God.

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You didn't hear anything about God in
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didn't. They have a much shorter
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as well as from all the diaries
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As Wilmore Kendall and George Carey said
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is a symbol around which both the
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built upon. It did not have
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It was referred to by the people
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as not by the compact, but
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I was saying that we do hereby
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called it the combination. And that's
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and the people who lived there up
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was referred to as the Mayflower Compact. Many people who look at that believe

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that it was that was more of
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this. They could have called it
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out of respect. They would look
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more religious, so they called it
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this is more than just about semantics. The combination was really about creating a

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society, even more so than a
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The Constitution would add more political theories
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time, but that was really what
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interesting comment on all this by a
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He's a Roman Catholic, and he
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have been composed by anyone, but
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even as a practicing Roman Catholic,
I have a hard time imagining the same

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scene being played out by French,
Spanish or Portuguese settlers. No, this

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is one of the great fruits of
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Catholics should take the heart, especially
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religious freedom and freedom of conscience in
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century. He goes on. He
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combination never assert the existence of a
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ideas that came later, by the
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are beholden to Scripture, to tradition, to a hierarchical authority, and to

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the English common law. And yet
they were not prepared either to destroy these

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ties nor to leave them out completely. Instead, they looked out upon what

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they considered to be a virgin land, a promised land of sorts. Here

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they could take the best of the
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they so desired. Would it be
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thing today? All around the world
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The foundations of our society are being
destroyed by Marxists who look for any

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imperfection or hypocrisy in the lives of
the people who laid down the foundations of

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our society in order to destroy our
society. The wise path is to always

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take the good aspects of what went
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the bones if you will. You
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Martin Luther King, for example,
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He could focus on his infidelities.
You could focus on what many people have

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pointed out, or some socialist tendencies
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look at his speeches, his inspirational
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by the content of their character rather
than the color of their skin. Wouldn't

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that be nice if we were to
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what the left wants to do today. So we take the best from people.

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We try to ignore the imperfections that
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about Martin Luther King or Thomas Jefferson, we try to ignore those perfections and

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take the wisdom from their life,
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what we ought to do, but
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on to say he was at Hillsdale
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lecture on the Mayflower combination. He
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I racked my brain trying to remember
an example of another earlier assertion of self

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government. Had the Greeks done it
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already relied upon a law giver.
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but I'm not sure that it had
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the Pilgrims did in sixteen twenty.
I really couldn't come up with a significant

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example. For all intents and purposes, the Plymouth Combination is the first real

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assertion of the right of self governance
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of the most important in any time
or place. As Kendall and carry wisely

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claimed, the sixteen to twenty document
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as rights. Instead, the very
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an assertion of the right. It
is a basic symbol. Indeed, that's

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the name of their book, Basic
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roots of America that can be seen
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Did the Constitution? You know,
the Constitution begins we the people, and

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then it goes into the purpose of
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is to secure the blessings of liberty
for ourselves and our prosperity. You know,

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atheists don't talk about blessings. You
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not at all. A blessing is
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We have an inscription on the liberty
Bell. It's inscribed with Leviticus twenty

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five ten and it reads, proclaim
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Now the context there of what was
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The context was about the year of
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all debts would be canceled. All
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you want to call it, would
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of jubilee, and that was that
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Founders of America from sixteen twenty to
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a blessing, as a gift from
God. They made it clear over again,

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and the second half of that to
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So when we look at the Pilgrims, we look at the founders of this

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nation. They were very different in
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They were focused on their children.
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and in the Bible we always see
that as an indication of God's movement and

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a people. God moves them to
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That makes a big difference in the
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that you think, the way that
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our society and a time of decadence
and degradation, people of our society will

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become lovers of self. So that's
the kind of society that the Bible always

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points at as a society that is
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blessing. If and when God changes
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then He'll be preparing us to bless
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Pilgrims and in the founders of this
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about something else that is rarely talked
about. Even in conservative circles. People

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will talk about the legal issues and
the precedents and the historical importance of the

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Mayflower Compact or the combination. They
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They don't do that too much anymore. Between the Indians and the Pilgrims.

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They'll talk about the economic aspects.
That's really where conservatives focused today, because

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we're all about the money, right, Hey, it's the economy, stupid.

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Everything is about the money. But
I want to talk a little bit

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about God's providence and care in this
story, because I think that's the real

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lesson. That is far more important
than the triumph of private property and personal

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responsibility over the tragedy of the commons. It's far more important than groups of

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people cooperating and coming together peacefully.
It's far more important than any legal document,

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no matter how much of a precedent
it sets. And that's God's providence

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and care. So that was what
was foremost in the minds of the Pilgrims

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as well, and if you were
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read their writing, there's one way
to talk to them, if you will

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listen to them. If you'd listen
to them, you'll see that they're not

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bragging about what they did. They
give the glory to God. They honor

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God. They would say that and
did say it over and over again.

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Today. In many ways, we
are like them. We are pilgrims and

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strangers on this earth. That is
a Christian idea. In our journey.

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We also need to acknowledge how we
need God. We also need to look

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to Him to provision and for providence
as they did, and we need to

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honor Him when he provides. So, you know, I look at this

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and a lot of people in America, we've had so many immigrants lately,

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and a lot of people say,
you know, they're hyphenated Americans or whatever

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said in the past. When I
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York and she was second generation of
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Poland, some of them from Italy. And so when we met, she

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asked me, where are you from? You know, wait, you mean

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I'm from America. I'm just an
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from. I never did go back
and look. I don't know if I

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have any any physical connection to the
people who were there at the Mayflower,

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or if it was to somebody who
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it doesn't matter. A lot of
people would get very precious about all

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that. Oh, I'm descended from
so and so right, or I'm descended

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from this person who was a passenger
on the Mayflower. What difference does that

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make, Especially four hundred years later, any kind of physical genetic connection that

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we have to these people has been
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in our family trees and our genealogy
and find a connection to it, it's

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been so deluded it doesn't make any
sense anymore. It's not worth talking about.

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But there are other ways that we
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and I feel a stronger kinship to
them from a spiritual standpoint, forget

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about the physical standpoint. Any of
us, by the way, regardless of

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the nation, tongue, or tribe, even if you're in another country,

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you could feel a kind of kinship
with them if you see yourself as a

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pilgrim and a stranger in this land
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So I want to just briefly go
over. You know, what is

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providence? How did the hand of
Providence guide and protect the Pilgrims? What

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are the lessons for those of us
who live today, especially for Americans who

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seek comfort and ease above everything else. And then how do we pass this

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on to our kid That's why I've
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to talk a little bit about what
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So what is providence? Well,
the dictionary will define it as care or

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preparation in advance, foresight, or
divine direction. And I think all of

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these things are seen in the story
of the Pilgrims. We can see the

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care, the preparation in advanced by
God. We can see his foresight and

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his divine direction. I have a
different definition of providence. I kind of

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think of it as a chain of
stealth miracles, things that you wouldn't recognize

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as a miracle. They seem pretty
ordinary. If you looked at any one

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of them, you'd say, well, you know, or even just a

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couple of them together, you'd say, well, it's just a coincidence of

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these things happen. Well that's really
nice, but it just happened happenstance.

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Now, you know, sometimes God
will answer a prayer miraculously. Sometimes he'll

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heal people miraculously. I have two
volumes of books about verified eyewitness stories about

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miraculous healings. Many of them just
you know, based on prayer. You

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know, some of them radio stations. Some one calls in and they're in

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serious condition. They put out a
prayer and there's an amazing healing that happens

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after that. So God will sometimes
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He's still in the miracle business.
I would I always recommend that you read

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diaries of people who have been able
to experience that type of provision and miraculous

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work. But a lot of times
it's just a series of little things that

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happened, you know. George Muller
is a good example of somebody who had

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was used by God. Sometimes,
you know, he would be out of

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money completely. He had orphans that
he had depped up to take care of

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and he was absolutely penniless. Orphans
were a very big problem in Victorian England

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that Charles Dickens would write about all
the time. He took them in to

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feed them, to give them an
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he took the responsibility for them,
but he gave the responsibility for taking

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care of them to God. And
so one day, just one example,

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but one of the most interesting examples, I think, but he had several

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of these. I won't say just
this one one. But they had absolutely

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no money, had a couple dozen
orphans at the time. It got to

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be a very very large enterprise eventually, and he never became rich. But

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he prayed because they had no food. And pretty soon there was a knock

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in the door and there was a
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He had some extra bread and it
was over, so he just brought

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it to the door, so they
had bread. Shortly after that, he

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gets another knock on the door and
there's a guy with a milk truck and

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it broke down in front of their
house, and so they all had milk

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provided for them that day as well. Now you can look at that you

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say, well, it's just a
coincidence, or you could say it's providential

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or miraculous. But I think you
know, when we look at a lot

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of ordinary things that happened, sometimes
we can go back and we can say,

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well, what's the chance of that
happened. What's the chance of this

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guy breaking down in front of his
house with a lot of milk that's going

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to spoil. He just gives it
to them because he can't do anything with

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it. Or the same thing with
the guy with the bread. Well,

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you know, either one of those
things could have happened. And yet for

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both of them to happen, and
for both of them to happen after he

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had prayed for food and you know, for bread and milk, that is

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a little bit different. So you
want to call that a miracle, want

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to call it providence. So,
without going into detail of the story of

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both the Pilgrims and of Squanto,
these are a couple of different stories that

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intertwine with each other. That's one
of the things that I find interesting about

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the story of Thanksgiving and the Pilgrims. They both went through tremendous hardship and

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God interwove their stories together to combine
them. You know, we talked about

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the Mayfliwer combination. This is the
combination the combination that God does how he

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changes things in their life, shapes
them by the difficult things in their life,

409
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and then brings them together to build
something that's even bigger. It really

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embodies all of those previous things that
I talked about, but a much more

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important way, the financial aspects of
it, the combination aspects of it,

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the building of a common thing with
disparate people, different backgrounds, different nations,

413
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tongues and tribes. So you know, when the Pilgrims came, they

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had gone through a very difficult time
of religious persecution. They'd been jailed,

415
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they had lost property, they had
to flee. They fled to Holland.

416
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There in Holland they were left alone. It was a very rich and secular

417
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country, very much like America today
and in that regard, so they didn't

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bother with them. They frankly didn't
care too much about it, and so

419
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the pilgrim stayed there for a while. But then they started realized that there

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was something that was very seductive in
this secular materialism there. There was also

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an immorality that was hanging around.
They felt that they would lose their kids.

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So they decided that it would be
better for them if they were to

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start a new life, parallel society, if you will, and to do

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it. In America, we don't
have the option of immigration today, but

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we do have the option of being
pilgrims and setting up a parallel society.

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You know, the Puritans had tried
to purify their society by staying there.

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The pilgrim said, that's okay,
we're going to go do our own thing.

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There are elements of both of those
things that we should and could do

429
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today, But I think the pilgrim
side of it is going to be the

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most important. The parallel society.
And so, as I said, they

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had suffered a great deal of persecution, and then as their journey began,

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there was even more persecution. There's
even more difficulty. They had three ships

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worth of people and their possessions.
One of them was not seaworthy. They

434
00:40:47.960 --> 00:40:52.920
had to turn back. They had
to pack everybody in those two remaining ships.

435
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We have been to Plymouth and we've
seen the historical community that's there.

436
00:41:00.639 --> 00:41:05.480
We've gotten onto the ship. That
was unbelievable that they would have over one

437
00:41:05.519 --> 00:41:07.039
hundred people there. It's like,
I don't know what they did. Was

438
00:41:07.039 --> 00:41:09.719
it like standing room only? Did
they stand the entire time? It was

439
00:41:09.760 --> 00:41:16.119
horrific. The conditions that they were
under, very long journey by sale,

440
00:41:16.320 --> 00:41:21.519
and of course they had storms,
they had damage the main mast was broken.

441
00:41:21.599 --> 00:41:25.840
They nearly lost, were lost at
sea, but they were able to

442
00:41:27.519 --> 00:41:30.400
get this together with God's help and
providence and provision, and they were able

443
00:41:30.440 --> 00:41:34.280
to make the journey. But then
instead of being able to go to northern

444
00:41:34.400 --> 00:41:44.599
Virginia, they were pushed ashore by
more storms into the Massachusetts area what would

445
00:41:44.639 --> 00:41:47.480
become the Massachusetts area. And so
they knew they were in the wrong place.

446
00:41:47.480 --> 00:41:52.039
They tried to get out several times
they got kept getting pushed back and

447
00:41:52.079 --> 00:41:54.199
pushed back and pushed back. So
finally it's like, well, this is

448
00:41:54.480 --> 00:41:58.880
where we're supposed to be. We
can't get anywhere else. That's why they

449
00:41:58.880 --> 00:42:05.239
put together the Mayflower combination. And
then when they landed they were met by

450
00:42:05.239 --> 00:42:12.639
an Indian spoke perfect English. What
a strange thing. They're absolutely amazed by

451
00:42:12.639 --> 00:42:16.599
that. And of course the area
where they landed another interesting coincidence, isn't

452
00:42:16.599 --> 00:42:24.960
it. The area where they landed
was uninhabited. The village had been wiped

453
00:42:24.960 --> 00:42:30.480
out with disease. And the Indian
who spoke English was Squanto. His journey

454
00:42:30.519 --> 00:42:38.000
had also been difficult. He had
been captured, kidnapped by some Spanish explorers

455
00:42:37.159 --> 00:42:43.360
or tradesmen or whatever they were,
and taken back as a slave to Spain.

456
00:42:43.599 --> 00:42:49.039
Eventually he was given to you know, he was taught agriculture and some

457
00:42:49.079 --> 00:42:52.559
other things by a Spanish monk.
And then eventually he gets to England.

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00:42:52.840 --> 00:43:00.920
He learns English and he is put
in a position of response ability. He

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00:43:00.960 --> 00:43:07.800
accompanies an English expedition to the area. They liked him enough that they gave

460
00:43:07.880 --> 00:43:12.480
him his freedom. But the heartbreak
that he had was when he went back

461
00:43:12.519 --> 00:43:15.239
home. Nobody survived. They'd all
been wiped out by disease. And so

462
00:43:15.320 --> 00:43:23.880
he's there by himself. But he's
learned English and he's been taught agricultural techniques

463
00:43:23.880 --> 00:43:30.159
that the Pilgrims did not know.
They were really more focused on why they

464
00:43:30.199 --> 00:43:34.800
wanted to go and you know,
for religious liberty than there were the practical

465
00:43:34.840 --> 00:43:39.400
aspects of it. They were ill
equipped to survive. But God used the

466
00:43:39.440 --> 00:43:45.079
hardship of both of these, both
the Pilgrims and of Squanta, so they

467
00:43:45.119 --> 00:43:52.280
could help each other. And you
know, this is really the lesson of

468
00:43:52.400 --> 00:43:57.599
providence. If you look at the
words of the hymn, God moves in

469
00:43:57.679 --> 00:44:04.960
mysterious ways about how this is so
similar to what the Pilgrims went through and

470
00:44:05.039 --> 00:44:10.119
Squanto God moves the mysterious ways as
wonders to perform. He plants his footsteps

471
00:44:10.119 --> 00:44:16.519
in the sea and rides upon the
storm, deep and unfathomable minds of never

472
00:44:16.639 --> 00:44:23.280
failing skill. He treasures up his
bright designs and works his sovereign will ye

473
00:44:23.320 --> 00:44:30.880
fearful saints, fresh courage. Take
the crump clouds you so much dread,

474
00:44:30.400 --> 00:44:36.079
are big with mercy, and shall
break in blessings on your head. Judge

475
00:44:36.119 --> 00:44:39.280
not the Lord by feeble sense,
but trust him for his grace. Behind

476
00:44:39.440 --> 00:44:46.719
a frowning providence, he hides a
smiling face. His purposes will ripen fast,

477
00:44:47.199 --> 00:44:52.480
unfolding every hour. The bud may
have a bitter taste, but sweet

478
00:44:52.519 --> 00:44:59.360
will be the flower. Blind unbelief
is sure to err and scan his work

479
00:44:59.400 --> 00:45:04.760
in vain. God is his own
interpreter, and he will make it plain.

480
00:45:06.599 --> 00:45:13.079
So how do we teach this important
lesson? Over the years. I'll

481
00:45:13.119 --> 00:45:15.119
just give you some of our personal
experience. I have people ask you what's

482
00:45:15.119 --> 00:45:20.639
some of the curriculum that you use, and I need to get some of

483
00:45:20.639 --> 00:45:22.280
that together. But there's always new
things that are being put out, and

484
00:45:22.320 --> 00:45:28.400
things that we used twenty twenty five
years ago, they're not available anymore.

485
00:45:29.679 --> 00:45:37.400
Focus on the Family still has a
great audiobook dramatization of the story of Squanto.

486
00:45:37.920 --> 00:45:39.880
That's one that we listened to many
times with our children. But it's

487
00:45:40.079 --> 00:45:43.480
a story that you would enjoy as
an adult if you haven't heard it.

488
00:45:43.480 --> 00:45:46.119
It's a great production. I would
highly recommend that and I'm sure that is

489
00:45:46.159 --> 00:45:52.079
still available. We also used and
that's why I have this up here.

490
00:45:52.119 --> 00:46:00.159
We use this box. This is
it's called Thanks Living Treasury and looked online

491
00:46:00.519 --> 00:46:05.360
and I don't think that this is
sold anymore, but that doesn't mean that

492
00:46:05.440 --> 00:46:12.320
you can't do something similar to it. It was well get out of the

493
00:46:12.559 --> 00:46:19.519
book here. It was done by
FamilyLife dot Com. It's division of Campus

494
00:46:19.559 --> 00:46:25.559
Crusade for Christ and it is set
up over a week, so it's almost

495
00:46:25.599 --> 00:46:30.760
like a little advent type of thing. Every day it set the kids down

496
00:46:30.440 --> 00:46:35.480
and you would go over one aspect
of the story. And we did this

497
00:46:35.519 --> 00:46:37.000
when our kids are very young,
and so it has some little props that

498
00:46:37.039 --> 00:46:39.920
were part of it, but you
could make that yourself. You know,

499
00:46:39.960 --> 00:46:43.599
here's a ship. We would hand
these things out because you know, when

500
00:46:43.599 --> 00:46:46.679
the kids are very young, especially
with boys, they like to have something

501
00:46:46.719 --> 00:46:51.360
physical that they can kind of you
know, look at and hold and it's

502
00:46:51.400 --> 00:46:53.119
a nice three D thing here.
But you know, you could give them

503
00:46:53.679 --> 00:46:58.000
any kind of thing like that,
you know, to represent the ship.

504
00:46:58.000 --> 00:47:00.719
It doesn't have to be this particular
thing. And so that would help to

505
00:47:00.719 --> 00:47:05.159
focus their attention. You would have
you know, the day that you're talking

506
00:47:05.199 --> 00:47:07.760
about the journey. You know you've
got to ship here in the sea,

507
00:47:07.639 --> 00:47:12.119
you've got situations where you're talking about
starvation. How Squanta help them? You

508
00:47:12.159 --> 00:47:15.719
got a thing of corn. So
stuff like that was very useful. That

509
00:47:15.760 --> 00:47:19.880
would help you to focus with kids. And as I said, every day

510
00:47:19.920 --> 00:47:22.400
there was another lesson. It kept
them short because they've got a short attention

511
00:47:22.519 --> 00:47:27.360
span and you know they're not going
to set through a three hour broadcast of

512
00:47:27.440 --> 00:47:31.159
The David Night Show at that age. So you know, different things like

513
00:47:31.199 --> 00:47:34.480
that and one of the things that
I really enjoy that we still have.

514
00:47:35.400 --> 00:47:39.360
Oh there were also yeah cards.
Again you can find these pictures online,

515
00:47:39.800 --> 00:47:45.079
but there would be you know,
classic drawings of scenes from the Pilgrims,

516
00:47:45.840 --> 00:47:50.599
the journey here by sea and all
that type of thing. So there are

517
00:47:50.639 --> 00:47:55.320
things like that, and then there
were some every year at the end of

518
00:47:57.000 --> 00:48:04.280
each one of these sections. You
would have the kids if they were very

519
00:48:04.280 --> 00:48:07.800
young, too young to write anything
down, You would say, you know,

520
00:48:07.800 --> 00:48:13.079
what are you grateful for? And
it give you different categories terms of

521
00:48:13.119 --> 00:48:15.480
what are you grateful for in terms
of protection? Or what are you grateful

522
00:48:15.519 --> 00:48:22.239
for in terms of freedom or your
health or your salvation? And so you

523
00:48:22.280 --> 00:48:25.639
would put these things down. We
would do it, the kids would do

524
00:48:25.679 --> 00:48:29.599
it, we'd date it, put
our names on there. And it's interesting

525
00:48:29.639 --> 00:48:32.480
now years later to go back and
look to see what was happening in our

526
00:48:32.519 --> 00:48:39.119
lives and how our kids perceive that. That's the importance of diaries. I

527
00:48:39.119 --> 00:48:43.760
talked about the diary of George Mueller, got a very detailed diary that went

528
00:48:43.760 --> 00:48:46.880
over very long life and a lot
of experiences. But if you really want

529
00:48:46.920 --> 00:48:52.519
to be able to see God working
again, because providence is kind of stealthy,

530
00:48:53.599 --> 00:48:58.199
you really do need to keep a
diary. Talk about the challenges that

531
00:48:58.199 --> 00:49:00.960
you're going through, talk about the
things prayed to God for, talk about

532
00:49:00.960 --> 00:49:07.840
how those prayers were answered, because
God is still in that business and so

533
00:49:08.159 --> 00:49:12.440
all of those things are things that
I would recommend to you. But of

534
00:49:12.480 --> 00:49:15.519
course for adults, the records are
there. You don't need to rely on

535
00:49:15.599 --> 00:49:22.000
PBS or the New York Times for
history, Please don't. They've got an

536
00:49:22.000 --> 00:49:28.079
agenda, they're not interested in real
history. But the primary sources are always

537
00:49:28.079 --> 00:49:32.880
better for any kind of education,
historical education. So you know, you'll

538
00:49:32.880 --> 00:49:37.599
find online of Plymouth Plantation, you'll
find the log of the Mayflower. You

539
00:49:37.639 --> 00:49:43.559
find a lot of stuff like that. Many other documents are available online.

540
00:49:43.679 --> 00:49:46.320
But again, think of it when
you look at the diary of the Pilgrims,

541
00:49:46.360 --> 00:49:49.239
and how do we know what happened
in their life? How do we

542
00:49:49.320 --> 00:49:52.480
know how God moved in their life? Was because they kept a diary.

543
00:49:52.960 --> 00:49:53.800
You'll want to do that for your
own life. You want to do that

544
00:49:53.840 --> 00:50:00.159
for your own benefit and perhaps for
the benefit of learned to come in the

545
00:50:00.199 --> 00:50:05.519
future, to be able to see
how God worked in your life as he

546
00:50:05.559 --> 00:50:12.039
worked in the life of George Mueller
or the Pilgrims. So I'm gonna play

547
00:50:12.039 --> 00:50:16.639
for you now what Benjamin Franklin said
as they were working to put together a

548
00:50:16.679 --> 00:50:23.320
constitution, and he was telling the
Constitutional Convention, he said, you know,

549
00:50:23.400 --> 00:50:27.679
we need to ask for God's providence. God was with us through this

550
00:50:27.800 --> 00:50:34.119
last war, and we need his
protection, his guidance in terms of putting

551
00:50:34.119 --> 00:50:37.639
together this constitution that we're going to
do, and after that we are going

552
00:50:37.719 --> 00:50:45.599
to have some interviews coming up.
I just want to wish you a blessed

553
00:50:45.679 --> 00:50:50.920
Thanksgiving. I hope you enjoy the
time with family and friends. I want

554
00:50:50.960 --> 00:50:58.199
to thank Daniel, a local friend
who gave us a fresh turkey, killed

555
00:50:58.199 --> 00:51:01.199
it and plucked it and what we're
going to be working on today. First

556
00:51:01.199 --> 00:51:06.320
time we've done a fresh, not
frozen turkey, so I really do appreciate

557
00:51:06.360 --> 00:51:13.400
that. It's great to have friends
and he's kind of our squanto. I

558
00:51:13.559 --> 00:51:17.960
just have to say, so,
have a blessed Thanksgiving. And this is

559
00:51:19.039 --> 00:51:22.840
pre recorded, so I won't be
able to interact with any tips or questions.

560
00:51:22.440 --> 00:51:25.840
But again we're going to have some
interviews coming up right after this.

561
00:51:25.960 --> 00:51:49.440
Here's Benjamin Franklin and what he told
the Constitutional Convention, mister President, A

562
00:51:49.519 --> 00:51:55.159
small progress that we've made after four
or five weeks close attendance and continual reasonings

563
00:51:55.159 --> 00:52:00.079
with each other. Are different sentiments
on almost every question, and several of

564
00:52:00.119 --> 00:52:06.000
the last, producing as many no's
as eyes is, methinks, a melancholy

565
00:52:06.119 --> 00:52:12.440
proof of the imperfection of the human
understanding we indeed seem to feel our own

566
00:52:12.639 --> 00:52:15.719
want of political wisdom. Since we've
been running about in search of it.

567
00:52:16.320 --> 00:52:21.920
We've gone back to ancient history for
models of government, and examined the different

568
00:52:22.039 --> 00:52:25.360
forms of those republics which have been
formed with the seeds of their own dissolution

569
00:52:25.840 --> 00:52:30.320
and now no longer exist. We
have viewed modern states all around Europe,

570
00:52:30.400 --> 00:52:37.599
but find none of their constitutions suitable
to our circumstances. In this situation of

571
00:52:37.639 --> 00:52:40.280
this assembly, groping, as it
were, in the dark to find political

572
00:52:40.320 --> 00:52:45.760
truth, and scarce able to distinguish
it when presented to us, How has

573
00:52:45.800 --> 00:52:51.679
it happened, Sir, that we
have not hitherto once thought of humbly applying

574
00:52:51.719 --> 00:52:57.000
to the Father of lights to illuminate
our understandings. In the beginning of the

575
00:52:57.039 --> 00:53:01.199
contest with Great Britain, when we
were sensible of danger, we had daily

576
00:53:01.280 --> 00:53:07.320
prayer in this room for divine protection. Our prayers, Sir, were heard,

577
00:53:07.840 --> 00:53:13.159
and they were graciously answered. All
of us who were engaged in the

578
00:53:13.199 --> 00:53:19.440
struggle must have observed frequent instances of
a superintending providence in our favor. To

579
00:53:19.519 --> 00:53:23.880
that kind providence, we owe this
happy opportunity of consulting in peace on the

580
00:53:23.960 --> 00:53:30.599
means of establishing our future national felicity. Have we now forgotten that powerful friend?

581
00:53:31.480 --> 00:53:37.159
Or do we imagine that we no
longer need his assistance? I have

582
00:53:37.320 --> 00:53:43.320
lived, Sir, a long time, and the longer I live, the

583
00:53:43.360 --> 00:53:49.400
more convincing proofs I see of this
truth that God governs in the affairs of

584
00:53:49.559 --> 00:53:53.159
men. And if a sparrow cannot
fall to the ground without his notice,

585
00:53:53.800 --> 00:53:59.599
is it probable that an empire can
rise without his aid. We have been

586
00:53:59.639 --> 00:54:04.719
assured, Sir, and the sacred
writings that except the Lord build, they

587
00:54:04.800 --> 00:54:08.400
labor in vain that build it.
I firmly believe this, and I also

588
00:54:08.519 --> 00:54:14.280
believe that without his concurring aid,
we shall succeed in this political building no

589
00:54:14.480 --> 00:54:19.079
better than the builders of Babel.
We shall be divided by our little,

590
00:54:19.199 --> 00:54:23.079
partial local interests. Our projects will
be confounded, and we ourselves shall become

591
00:54:23.199 --> 00:54:29.440
a reproach and a byword down to
the future age. And what is worse.

592
00:54:30.480 --> 00:54:36.519
Mankind may hereafter, from this unfortunate
instance, despair of establishing governments by

593
00:54:36.599 --> 00:54:43.239
human wisdom, and leave it to
chance, war and to conquest. I

594
00:54:43.320 --> 00:54:49.840
therefore beg leave to move that henceforth
prayers imploring the assistance of Heaven and its

595
00:54:49.880 --> 00:54:53.280
blessings on our deliberation, be held
in this assembly every morning before we proceed

596
00:54:53.320 --> 00:54:58.400
to business, and that one or
more of the clergy of this city be

597
00:54:58.480 --> 00:55:05.920
requested to officiate in that service.
Benjamin Franklin, Thursday, June twenty eighth,

598
00:55:06.159 --> 00:56:22.320
seventeen eighty seven, Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, analyzing the Globalists, Next move

599
00:56:32.800 --> 00:56:45.039
and now the Deevid Nut Show.
All right, Joining us now is Joe

600
00:56:45.039 --> 00:56:49.039
Banister. I've interviewed Joe several times, had the pleasure to do it.

601
00:56:49.559 --> 00:56:53.000
A man of integrity. He's a
former criminal investigator for the I R S

602
00:56:53.480 --> 00:56:58.440
and now he is an Agent for
Truth. That's the name of his website

603
00:56:58.800 --> 00:57:01.159
as well as podcast that he has. Thank you for joining us, Joe.

604
00:57:02.320 --> 00:57:05.599
Thank you, David. It's great
to see you again and talk with

605
00:57:05.639 --> 00:57:08.159
you and hook up with Travis again. Let's see, yes, see his

606
00:57:08.280 --> 00:57:12.400
smiling face. Great to have you
there. Tell people a little bit about

607
00:57:12.400 --> 00:57:15.119
where they can find you, first
of all, where can they find Agent

608
00:57:15.159 --> 00:57:17.760
for Truth? And tell us a
little bit about the podcast that's going on.

609
00:57:20.840 --> 00:57:23.840
Yeah, the website is Agent for
Truth dot com. I started out

610
00:57:24.079 --> 00:57:29.480
twenty three years ago with a website
called Freedom above Fortune dot com because I

611
00:57:29.519 --> 00:57:34.519
had to decide what was more important, you know, so called fortune at

612
00:57:34.559 --> 00:57:37.840
the I r S with a secure
pension and paycheck, or freedom you know,

613
00:57:37.880 --> 00:57:42.719
for myself, my family and for
our country. But I thought Agent

614
00:57:42.760 --> 00:57:46.280
for Truth was a good, a
good little moniker there, since I was

615
00:57:46.519 --> 00:57:51.599
a special agent with the I R
S. And I wanted to be the

616
00:57:51.599 --> 00:57:54.639
best agent for truth that I could
be. So agentfotruth dot com is the

617
00:57:54.679 --> 00:57:59.159
website. I actually wrote a book. If you don't mind me doing a

618
00:57:59.199 --> 00:58:02.639
shameless plug, no do it?
Yeah, all the investigating the Federal income

619
00:58:02.679 --> 00:58:07.800
Tax report to the American people.
And that's because in nineteen ninety nine when

620
00:58:07.800 --> 00:58:13.320
I resigned, I wrote a preliminary
report. So of course, now that

621
00:58:13.400 --> 00:58:17.639
twenty three years have passed, there
was a lot more news, including criminally

622
00:58:17.679 --> 00:58:22.760
prosecuting me, stripping me my CPA
certificate, all kinds of fun and games

623
00:58:22.800 --> 00:58:30.480
that the IRS can can let a
lash out at. So yeah, I

624
00:58:30.000 --> 00:58:36.880
have a podcast. It's actually just
through zoom, kind of a wonkish thing.

625
00:58:36.960 --> 00:58:40.079
We have attorneys and paralegals and we
speak for years. Was about the

626
00:58:40.079 --> 00:58:44.840
income tax. Of course, in
taxation but over the last couple of years

627
00:58:44.880 --> 00:58:52.280
it's been all about COVID because all
the lockdowns and the tyranny seemed to make

628
00:58:52.480 --> 00:58:58.280
the IRS maybe not pale in comparison, but certainly set it off to the

629
00:58:58.360 --> 00:59:02.239
side, because you know, it's
like the powers that be were fine through

630
00:59:02.280 --> 00:59:07.280
the monetary system and the taxation system
harvesting us like silkworms. Yeah, and

631
00:59:07.320 --> 00:59:10.559
then all of a sudden it changed
to we need to kill them, yes

632
00:59:10.880 --> 00:59:15.320
exactly, yeah, yeah, now
we're for dinner. You know, they

633
00:59:15.320 --> 00:59:17.480
want us to eat silkworms until we
die and they keep us in prison.

634
00:59:17.599 --> 00:59:22.079
I agree with you absolutely, And
you know, I've said many times Joe

635
00:59:22.119 --> 00:59:28.760
that the I think the IRS kind
of set a lot of precedents of having

636
00:59:29.039 --> 00:59:35.039
a bureaucracy that was a law unto
itself. And you know, Rampaul and

637
00:59:35.440 --> 00:59:39.360
others have in years past would put
out the Reins Act to rein in the

638
00:59:39.440 --> 00:59:45.719
bureaucracy because we now have taxation with
our representation, we have regulation without representation.

639
00:59:45.880 --> 00:59:49.639
Nancy Pelosi said of Obamacare, we
got to pass it so we can

640
00:59:49.639 --> 00:59:53.000
find out what's in it. They
get these funding and they create a bureaucracy

641
00:59:53.280 --> 00:59:58.480
and then they let them create the
rules. And then after they create their

642
00:59:58.559 --> 01:00:01.280
rules, you don't have any resumption
of innocence, you don't have due process,

643
01:00:01.360 --> 01:00:06.039
and they have no prohibition against successive
fines because they say, well,

644
01:00:06.039 --> 01:00:09.039
these are rules, these aren't laws. You only have these types of legal

645
01:00:09.039 --> 01:00:13.880
protections if it's a law enacted by
Congress. So we won't have Congress do

646
01:00:13.880 --> 01:00:16.119
any laws. We'll have the bureaucracy
create the rules. And so I think

647
01:00:16.159 --> 01:00:20.800
that the IRS really took the lead
in all of that. But now it's

648
01:00:20.840 --> 01:00:25.119
been weaponized by especially in this medical
martial law that we've had. It's been

649
01:00:25.239 --> 01:00:30.280
that same tactic now has been extended
to all different aspects of our life,

650
01:00:30.320 --> 01:00:32.960
hasn't it. Yes, And in
fact I was, you know, as

651
01:00:34.000 --> 01:00:37.840
I can talk about, of course, as being criminally prosecuted. So they

652
01:00:37.880 --> 01:00:44.400
actually went through the process of indictment
prosecuting me, and I was deservedly acquitted.

653
01:00:44.440 --> 01:00:45.880
We could talk about that in a
second. But in terms of the

654
01:00:45.880 --> 01:00:52.159
administrative state, the way that I
was stripped of my CPA certificate you know

655
01:00:52.199 --> 01:00:55.119
that I earned from the state of
California back in nineteen ninety one, was

656
01:00:55.159 --> 01:01:02.159
through this administrative state. I basically
had an administrative law judge from the Environmental

657
01:01:02.199 --> 01:01:08.639
Protection Agency to decide my fate in
terms of a disbardment from you know,

658
01:01:08.679 --> 01:01:13.760
being able to help clients before the
i R S. How did the how

659
01:01:13.760 --> 01:01:17.119
did they get the EPA involved in
that? I you know, I guess

660
01:01:17.159 --> 01:01:22.440
he was the only one available and
they but I think I had a connection

661
01:01:22.679 --> 01:01:28.599
with the Department of Homeland Security because
I my it wasn't a trial. It

662
01:01:28.639 --> 01:01:31.840
was more like a hearing was supposed
to occur on Coast Guard Island in San

663
01:01:31.880 --> 01:01:37.840
Francisco Bay, and that's a military
installation where you know, you can only

664
01:01:37.880 --> 01:01:42.159
come and go as they allow you, no no witnesses. They really you

665
01:01:42.159 --> 01:01:45.559
know, I called it the Shanghai
on CGI for Coast Guard Island. So

666
01:01:45.719 --> 01:01:50.840
I just just to point out that
that administrative state can really grind you up,

667
01:01:51.039 --> 01:01:55.039
and you go through all these appeals
and but it's really not due process,

668
01:01:55.480 --> 01:01:59.639
not in the true sense. Oh
yeah, oh yeah. They really

669
01:01:59.679 --> 01:02:02.840
wiped out as we saw during the
COVID stuff. You had the CDC claiming

670
01:02:02.880 --> 01:02:08.400
that they had control over foreclosures and
evictions and things like that. You know,

671
01:02:09.239 --> 01:02:15.800
it's just amazing to see how they
just passed the power around amongst themselves,

672
01:02:15.199 --> 01:02:20.679
and it really is taxation without representation, regulation without representation, and of

673
01:02:20.719 --> 01:02:27.119
course trials really without any representation or
legal due process. That's what's really dangerous

674
01:02:27.119 --> 01:02:30.360
about this. Tell people a little
bit about your process and a little bit

675
01:02:30.400 --> 01:02:35.559
about your background, because it's been
a while since you've been on, and

676
01:02:35.599 --> 01:02:39.280
we got a lot of new listeners
who don't know how you went from being

677
01:02:39.360 --> 01:02:46.039
a criminal investigation agent for the IRS
and to somebody that they targeted. Thank

678
01:02:46.079 --> 01:02:50.400
you, well, you know,
with all the why hair, it's been

679
01:02:50.519 --> 01:02:55.920
been quite a while. But after
graduating from college and recognizing that the accounting

680
01:02:55.960 --> 01:02:59.920
profession was quite boring, it took
me a while to figure that out.

681
01:03:00.199 --> 01:03:02.960
Don't know why. But I also
had lots of friends and relatives in law

682
01:03:04.039 --> 01:03:07.079
enforcement, and so I thought,
well, how can I match this,

683
01:03:07.599 --> 01:03:13.000
you know, accounting degree and experience
with law enforcement, and so of course

684
01:03:13.159 --> 01:03:17.360
an investigative role came about. So
I applied to the FBI and the IRS

685
01:03:17.400 --> 01:03:23.119
Criminal Investigation Division, and the FBI
actually had a hiring freeze. I qualified

686
01:03:23.239 --> 01:03:27.840
to be sent to Quantico, Virginia, but due to a hiring freeze,

687
01:03:29.440 --> 01:03:34.199
it was basically in this holding pattern. Then the IRS called and I you

688
01:03:34.239 --> 01:03:37.440
know, granted, the FBI has
gotten a worse and worse reputation as the

689
01:03:37.480 --> 01:03:43.480
decades roll along, but back then
in the nineties, you know, at

690
01:03:43.559 --> 01:03:46.039
least to carve away a ruby ridge. And as I say, it was

691
01:03:46.079 --> 01:03:50.840
an unfolding process. But compared to
the IRS, I thought, well,

692
01:03:50.840 --> 01:03:54.880
the FBI would definitely be a better
agency, but there was a hiring freeze,

693
01:03:54.960 --> 01:03:59.679
so it kind of the idea of
working for the IRS kind of grew

694
01:03:59.679 --> 01:04:02.920
on me because it was a special
agent position, a criminal investigator, you

695
01:04:02.960 --> 01:04:08.039
know, gun and a badge.
You're working on money laundering cases, really

696
01:04:08.199 --> 01:04:14.000
detailed cases with other agencies. And
you know, I'm granted, tax and

697
01:04:14.039 --> 01:04:17.639
accounting was my background, so it
seemed like a pretty good fit. So

698
01:04:17.760 --> 01:04:21.880
November ninety three, I was sworn
in as an IRS special agent and just

699
01:04:21.920 --> 01:04:27.519
for the for the audience, the
IRS has a civil civil functions where there's

700
01:04:27.599 --> 01:04:30.760
audits and levees and things like that, and then they have a criminal investigation

701
01:04:30.920 --> 01:04:41.079
function where when a when proof of
an intentional violation of a law can be

702
01:04:41.960 --> 01:04:45.480
investigated. Then you'd have a criminal
investigator who would do that, much like

703
01:04:45.519 --> 01:04:54.000
a police officer who investigator a crime
scene or whether it be secret service investigating

704
01:04:54.679 --> 01:04:59.639
counterfeiting or whatever it might be.
So the iOS does it have to be

705
01:04:59.679 --> 01:05:04.960
something associated with a crime or is
it something that is tax was an evasion

706
01:05:05.159 --> 01:05:10.880
as opposed to you know, avoidance, avoidance, Yeah, avoidances, I

707
01:05:10.920 --> 01:05:15.159
can't remember which it was, just
like the approval versus the authorization for the

708
01:05:15.199 --> 01:05:18.679
vaccines. So it's okay, and
it's it's it's part of the game to

709
01:05:18.880 --> 01:05:23.119
try to avoid your taxes, and
that's encouraged. But if you evade your

710
01:05:23.159 --> 01:05:27.559
taxes, then is that when they
get the criminal people involved or do they

711
01:05:27.559 --> 01:05:32.119
still have for evasion? Do they
still have some of the non criminal auditors

712
01:05:32.400 --> 01:05:36.280
involved with that? Well, that's
that's why it's supposed to work. In

713
01:05:36.280 --> 01:05:40.159
other words, if you don't have
a men's rea, you don't have a

714
01:05:40.199 --> 01:05:45.000
criminal intent, then it should be
in the purview of avoidance, which even

715
01:05:45.079 --> 01:05:49.360
the Supreme Court, numerous courts have
ruled tax avoidance is not a crime.

716
01:05:49.440 --> 01:05:55.480
In fact, it's expected. But
the way another mission creep for the I

717
01:05:55.639 --> 01:06:01.920
R. S is even tax avoidance
has become uple matter, so you know,

718
01:06:02.119 --> 01:06:05.199
something for people to keep in mind. But anyway, the difference between

719
01:06:05.239 --> 01:06:10.880
the two is that tax avoidance is, you know, utilizing the law as

720
01:06:10.920 --> 01:06:16.559
written to minimize or eliminate tax as
much as possible. Tax evasion is knowing

721
01:06:16.559 --> 01:06:23.679
that you have a known legal duty
to obey some law or provide such information

722
01:06:24.199 --> 01:06:29.119
and then purposely not doing so.
Willfully is actually the word that they use.

723
01:06:30.599 --> 01:06:33.679
So when we look at this explosion
in the IRS, and well,

724
01:06:34.159 --> 01:06:36.440
let's continue on with your story.
I don't want to get away with your

725
01:06:36.440 --> 01:06:40.239
story. Let's go back and talk
about your journey. You go to work

726
01:06:40.280 --> 01:06:44.000
for the IRS, and then what
happens. So in nineteen ninety three,

727
01:06:44.119 --> 01:06:46.599
and I expected to spend a full
twenty year career there because as a law

728
01:06:46.679 --> 01:06:51.440
enforcement position, it's not a thirty
year retirement, it's a twenty year retirement.

729
01:06:53.199 --> 01:06:57.079
You work fifty hour work weeks,
so you're getting a ten or basically

730
01:06:57.159 --> 01:07:00.920
twenty five percent premium in your pay, plus you know the extra pay for

731
01:07:01.239 --> 01:07:04.360
you know, being a law enforcement
kind of person, gun and badge and

732
01:07:04.400 --> 01:07:09.000
all that. So I really expected
to spend a twenty year career there.

733
01:07:09.239 --> 01:07:14.480
And again because the you know,
you're investigating money laundering and you know,

734
01:07:14.559 --> 01:07:18.039
really intricate crimes and you know,
protecting the treasury as you're you know,

735
01:07:18.079 --> 01:07:23.639
you're thinking you're doing that, and
and so I believe those functions aren't necessary,

736
01:07:25.199 --> 01:07:28.960
and so my expectations were kind of
changed when about three years into my

737
01:07:29.079 --> 01:07:32.639
career there I was listening to a
talk radio show. And that's why I'm

738
01:07:32.679 --> 01:07:40.239
so people like David Knight are so
admirable, because you got those the truth

739
01:07:40.280 --> 01:07:46.119
pills dispensing and big bottles. But
anyway, I was an avid talk radio

740
01:07:46.199 --> 01:07:49.920
listener, and so they had a
guest on the show talking about the income

741
01:07:50.000 --> 01:07:55.519
tax and the Federal Reserve and all
the things that back in the nineties and

742
01:07:55.559 --> 01:07:59.599
prior to that were just thought of
as oh, the kookiest subject matter,

743
01:07:59.719 --> 01:08:01.599
right, I know, I know, yeah, we have. We'd run

744
01:08:01.679 --> 01:08:04.679
people for office with the Libertarian Party
and would start out by saying, we

745
01:08:04.719 --> 01:08:08.760
want to abolish the income tax and
the I R s and they'ybody, Oh

746
01:08:08.800 --> 01:08:13.480
they're just radical to these people,
right, So yeah, I know,

747
01:08:13.639 --> 01:08:16.439
yes, yeah, yeah, the
pioneers. Thank thank goodness for the pioneers,

748
01:08:17.319 --> 01:08:21.960
the trailblazers. So anyway, uh
listened and then it was on a

749
01:08:23.000 --> 01:08:26.119
talk show of a guy that was
always telling the truth about every other thing.

750
01:08:26.319 --> 01:08:28.720
So I thought, well, why
why would he lie to us.

751
01:08:28.760 --> 01:08:30.640
Now, why would he have a
guest on that would lie to his audience.

752
01:08:31.079 --> 01:08:34.840
So that's what got me started.
So I spent two years off duty,

753
01:08:35.960 --> 01:08:41.479
you know, evenings and weekends,
investigating whether or not these claims about

754
01:08:41.479 --> 01:08:46.079
the income tax were actually true.
And the basic claim was that the i

755
01:08:46.199 --> 01:08:51.119
R S the income tax was not
actually required to be paid by most Americans

756
01:08:51.840 --> 01:08:57.159
because they were no federal law ever
made them liable to pay the tax.

757
01:08:57.920 --> 01:09:02.760
And the i r S's own instruction, their own regulations state that if you're

758
01:09:02.760 --> 01:09:06.359
liable for attacks, then you have
all these requirements that you have to follow.

759
01:09:06.920 --> 01:09:12.359
But it's that key juncture, are
you liable? And you know,

760
01:09:12.399 --> 01:09:17.600
nowadays any American can search the Internet
and search through the entire thick Internal Revenue

761
01:09:17.600 --> 01:09:21.880
Code. All guys like us would
call it thick, right, it's just

762
01:09:21.960 --> 01:09:27.359
on a computer screen now. But
you can search through all these laws and

763
01:09:27.399 --> 01:09:30.439
find out, well, where do
I become liable? How does this happen?

764
01:09:30.560 --> 01:09:32.560
The IRS says, I have to
do all these things if I'm liable

765
01:09:32.600 --> 01:09:38.119
for the tax, Let's see where
that happens. And then Americans who do

766
01:09:38.439 --> 01:09:42.119
the research come to find out that, oh wow, I'm I'm not liable

767
01:09:42.119 --> 01:09:45.319
for the income tax? Is that
some kind of an oversight? I remember

768
01:09:45.399 --> 01:09:47.720
our years they would send out the
package. I don't know if they do

769
01:09:47.760 --> 01:09:50.239
this anymore, but they would say, you know, the income tax is

770
01:09:50.239 --> 01:09:54.119
a voluntary thing, and we really
do appreciate you volunteering. And I used

771
01:09:54.159 --> 01:09:57.359
to think that was the most cynical
thing. You know. It's just like

772
01:09:57.960 --> 01:10:01.199
you would get the printed paper maps
and it would always have something there from

773
01:10:01.239 --> 01:10:05.439
the governor of whatever the state was, reminding you that driving is a privilege.

774
01:10:05.560 --> 01:10:08.880
Well, the I R s would
always send this thing out and say,

775
01:10:09.039 --> 01:10:12.960
uh, and thank you for complying
with this voluntarily. Uh. And

776
01:10:13.840 --> 01:10:15.199
what are they talking about? I
know what's going to happen if I don't

777
01:10:15.319 --> 01:10:18.920
volunteer. You know they're going to
voluntarily Yes, you hold me away,

778
01:10:19.000 --> 01:10:23.039
you know. Uh, that's exactly. And that's kind of like you know

779
01:10:23.079 --> 01:10:27.560
when they say the if you're blindfolded
and you there's an elephant in the room

780
01:10:27.600 --> 01:10:29.800
but you don't know it, and
you touch, and there's a trunk and

781
01:10:29.840 --> 01:10:32.439
you touch and there's a big tone
now and yeah. So those kinds of

782
01:10:32.479 --> 01:10:38.359
clues, even from the commissioners who
would write those those introductory letters each year.

783
01:10:39.079 --> 01:10:44.239
Uh, that's just one of many
parts of the elephant to indicate how

784
01:10:44.359 --> 01:10:47.159
illegitimate, you know, the i
R S is enforcement and administration of the

785
01:10:47.159 --> 01:10:51.039
Income Tact actually is. And of
course I always hesitate. I'm not a

786
01:10:51.159 --> 01:10:56.399
I'm not like urging people like the
pied Piper go out and battle with the

787
01:10:56.439 --> 01:10:59.439
I R S. You know.
Yeah, that's the problem. Even if

788
01:10:59.439 --> 01:11:01.119
they don't have authority, they've got
a lot of power, you know,

789
01:11:01.319 --> 01:11:04.119
and we see power abused all the
time without authority. I mean, look

790
01:11:04.119 --> 01:11:09.560
at the last couple of years here, how they've abused there. You know,

791
01:11:09.800 --> 01:11:13.760
without authority, they've abused their power. It's just it's absolutely amazing.

792
01:11:13.840 --> 01:11:16.640
And you're talking about how thickets become. And that's one of the ways that

793
01:11:16.680 --> 01:11:21.319
they can really control you. If
the law is sufficiently complex so that nobody

794
01:11:21.319 --> 01:11:25.439
knows what it is. Really,
it's the same as having no law at

795
01:11:25.439 --> 01:11:28.840
all. And that really has been
kind of the operating principle of much of

796
01:11:28.840 --> 01:11:32.000
the government, not just the IRS. But you know, they bury everything

797
01:11:32.039 --> 01:11:35.880
in so many levels of detail that
nobody really knows what it is. It's

798
01:11:35.920 --> 01:11:40.119
not a simple statement like we have
in the Bill of Rights. And instead

799
01:11:40.159 --> 01:11:44.640
they create these complicated for varications to
erase our bill of rights in our constitution.

800
01:11:45.600 --> 01:11:48.840
Yes, and I think also your
listeners and yourself will be fascinated by

801
01:11:48.840 --> 01:11:54.520
this little little fact. I'm sure
everyone's heard, especially with the COVID,

802
01:11:54.640 --> 01:12:00.239
how people are accused of being you
know, mass misinformation spreaders. Yeah.

803
01:12:01.119 --> 01:12:05.520
Well, the IRS actually wrote the
book on that they would designate people as

804
01:12:05.600 --> 01:12:12.800
illegal tax protesters. If you point
out an actual black letter law to the

805
01:12:12.840 --> 01:12:17.359
IRS auditor, for example, they'll
tell you it's a frivolous argument. So

806
01:12:18.079 --> 01:12:25.560
smearing people with you know, labels
like illegal tax protester or taxi deni er.

807
01:12:27.159 --> 01:12:30.119
Really, the book was written by
the I R. S in the

808
01:12:30.159 --> 01:12:32.199
fifties, sixties, seventies, eighties, so you know, all I had

809
01:12:32.239 --> 01:12:38.600
to do was dust that off.
Fauci could just dust off all those policies

810
01:12:38.640 --> 01:12:44.479
and practices and you know, dismissed. Of course, thankfully. People there's

811
01:12:44.560 --> 01:12:46.560
enough courageous people that they can be
called any name in the book. They

812
01:12:46.560 --> 01:12:51.079
don't care. The truth is the
truth, and eventually, you know,

813
01:12:51.119 --> 01:12:56.399
the purveyors of the lies start scurrying
for the for the dark corners of the

814
01:12:56.479 --> 01:13:00.439
room, like Fauci yeah, and
where at that point right now. I

815
01:13:00.520 --> 01:13:02.319
spent the beginning of this program talking
about, hey, it looks like it's

816
01:13:02.359 --> 01:13:08.520
turned. They decided that they can't
hide the massive pile of bodies everywhere,

817
01:13:08.600 --> 01:13:11.479
and everybody's turning on each other.
Well, he was the one who did

818
01:13:11.479 --> 01:13:14.479
it. I didn't do it.
You know, the type of thing.

819
01:13:14.520 --> 01:13:16.600
All the finger pointing is now started, which is a good move for our

820
01:13:16.680 --> 01:13:19.319
side, as long as they don't
try to escalate this with some other kind

821
01:13:19.359 --> 01:13:21.760
of attack or with a war to
try to wipe all this stuff out.

822
01:13:21.840 --> 01:13:27.239
But I'm curious because, you know, Joe, once you challenge them,

823
01:13:27.359 --> 01:13:32.199
especially from the inside, things must
have gotten really bad for you. They

824
01:13:32.239 --> 01:13:35.520
did. I mean, I was, you know, not to toot my

825
01:13:35.560 --> 01:13:41.479
own horror, but in terms of
awards and promotions and everybody asking, oh

826
01:13:41.520 --> 01:13:43.680
wow, you must be going to
go into management. You know, you're

827
01:13:43.760 --> 01:13:47.840
just a hard charger, and so
everything was really great until I start.

828
01:13:47.880 --> 01:13:50.800
You know, I just kind of
raised my hand sheepishly and said, hey,

829
01:13:50.840 --> 01:13:54.760
you know, I've been doing this
research about the income tax and trying

830
01:13:54.760 --> 01:13:59.079
to dismiss these claims by these so
called tax protesters, and sure, there's

831
01:13:59.119 --> 01:14:02.439
some strange stuff out there. But
you know, I'm a CPA. You

832
01:14:03.279 --> 01:14:08.640
trust me to carry this gun and
a badge around. These are the things

833
01:14:08.680 --> 01:14:11.319
that I found. And you know, given that I took an oath to

834
01:14:11.319 --> 01:14:14.960
support and defend the Constitution and you
did too, you know, to my

835
01:14:15.039 --> 01:14:18.000
supervisors, what about this? I
mean, I really think I need to

836
01:14:18.039 --> 01:14:23.880
get this result so that I can
be assured that I am actually abiding by

837
01:14:23.920 --> 01:14:29.199
my oath. And well, the
answer I got was that you probably already

838
01:14:29.239 --> 01:14:32.880
can figure it out. They were
not happy. They would not answer any

839
01:14:32.920 --> 01:14:39.279
of my questions. They would not
even address my report, which is you

840
01:14:39.319 --> 01:14:43.880
know, the this is what evolved. But originally it was a ninety nine

841
01:14:43.920 --> 01:14:50.159
page report provided to my supervisors,
just highlighting some of the concerning issues.

842
01:14:50.880 --> 01:14:58.039
And they sent my inquiries up this
chain of command, up to the Assistant

843
01:14:58.039 --> 01:15:02.279
Commissioner for Criminal Investor Gation, and
the word came back down, no answer

844
01:15:02.359 --> 01:15:05.840
of your questions, will provide you
with the paperwork to tend your resignation.

845
01:15:06.399 --> 01:15:11.760
Wow. Took my gun and badge
away, kept my pager for a week.

846
01:15:12.920 --> 01:15:15.239
You know, don't call us,
we'll call you. And then I

847
01:15:15.319 --> 01:15:21.920
really decided that because I had a
really frankly a stellar reputation that if I

848
01:15:23.000 --> 01:15:26.159
stayed with the IRS, then they
would have made sure that they ruined it,

849
01:15:26.560 --> 01:15:30.479
and then who would believe me?
So I actually resigned on my birthday

850
01:15:30.520 --> 01:15:35.239
February twenty fifth, nineteen ninety nine. And I don't know how any listeners

851
01:15:35.319 --> 01:15:41.359
know this, but my birthday February
twenty fifth and the income tax birthday February

852
01:15:41.399 --> 01:15:46.279
twenty fifth, nineteen thirteen, we
share the same day, So maybe I

853
01:15:46.319 --> 01:15:51.119
was meant to blow a few whistles. Wow, So did they just let

854
01:15:51.199 --> 01:15:56.560
you resign? And were those criminal
charges against you? Though? Right?

855
01:15:57.279 --> 01:16:00.680
Yeah? Resigned in ninety nine,
and then I had, you know,

856
01:16:00.760 --> 01:16:04.720
no mainstream media attention immediately. I
mean, you'd think if a criminal investigator

857
01:16:04.720 --> 01:16:09.840
for the IRS was blowing the whistle
that the mainstream media would care. Well,

858
01:16:10.159 --> 01:16:15.520
people thought that in the old days, so that didn't happen. But

859
01:16:15.560 --> 01:16:19.000
then the you know, the internet
was taking off in the late nineties and

860
01:16:19.039 --> 01:16:23.239
early two thousands, so I was
getting a lot of attention. And then

861
01:16:23.279 --> 01:16:27.279
eventually the mainstream media did pay attention
to me. And that's another thing I

862
01:16:27.359 --> 01:16:30.760
found out about the way the government
and the media work. They want to

863
01:16:30.800 --> 01:16:34.760
they pay attention to you. Right
before they take you down. Yes,

864
01:16:35.359 --> 01:16:40.039
so I was on sixty minutes too. You know, there's a sixty minutes

865
01:16:40.039 --> 01:16:42.840
and a sixty minutes too, So
I made it to sixty minutes too.

866
01:16:42.880 --> 01:16:47.000
I was interviewed by the New York
Times and number of times, the Span,

867
01:16:47.840 --> 01:16:53.960
MSNBC, all kinds of media organs, and I'm thinking, Wow,

868
01:16:54.079 --> 01:16:56.840
you know they're actually paying attention to
not to me, but you know,

869
01:16:56.880 --> 01:17:01.039
to the issue. I mean,
we traveled to Congress, to the White

870
01:17:01.119 --> 01:17:05.399
House, the Supreme Court, trying
to petition for a redress of our grievances,

871
01:17:06.439 --> 01:17:13.159
well in reward, as a reward
for all my efforts, I was

872
01:17:13.199 --> 01:17:19.359
indicted in November of two thousand and
four on four felony counts. Three counts

873
01:17:19.359 --> 01:17:25.760
were preparing three false federal income tax
returns for a client, and the fourth

874
01:17:25.800 --> 01:17:30.039
count, for good measure, was
conspiracy to defraud the United States of America.

875
01:17:30.920 --> 01:17:34.119
So my trial was in June of
two thousand and five. I had

876
01:17:34.119 --> 01:17:39.920
about seven months to prepare, and
I was looking at, I don't know,

877
01:17:40.039 --> 01:17:44.399
anywhere from probably three to five six
years in federal prison if I was

878
01:17:44.439 --> 01:17:47.920
convicted. And you know, the
basic premise was that I prepared these tax

879
01:17:47.960 --> 01:17:53.800
returns on behalf of a client he
was he had already paid taxes and was

880
01:17:53.800 --> 01:17:58.079
seeking a refund, and there's a
process that you follow, and that's why

881
01:17:58.079 --> 01:18:00.199
he hired me to make sure that
we followed the process to the letter.

882
01:18:01.840 --> 01:18:06.079
But you know, as I mentioned
about tax avoidance and tax evasion, they

883
01:18:06.079 --> 01:18:12.119
can turn tax avoidance seeking a refund, for example, into a crime,

884
01:18:12.880 --> 01:18:16.039
and so they call it false false
refund claim. I was the one that

885
01:18:16.079 --> 01:18:21.560
prepared the tax return, so therefore
I conspired with the client. Of course,

886
01:18:21.600 --> 01:18:26.199
none of that was true. They
didn't even their experts on the witness

887
01:18:26.239 --> 01:18:30.960
stand. My attorneys walk them through
just about every line of the tax returns

888
01:18:31.359 --> 01:18:34.039
and said, you know, is
this line false? Is this line false?

889
01:18:34.119 --> 01:18:39.039
Is this line false? And there
was nothing false about them, And

890
01:18:39.079 --> 01:18:43.560
so the juries kind of scratching their
heads, like why is this guy being

891
01:18:43.600 --> 01:18:49.199
prosecuted. The prosecution can't even tell
us he did anything bad. So I

892
01:18:49.239 --> 01:18:54.439
was acquitted in June A, two
thousand and five of those charges, and

893
01:18:54.479 --> 01:19:02.199
then of course the whole IRIS civil
function descended upon me with audits and and

894
01:19:02.239 --> 01:19:09.800
then the the CPA disbarment thing was
percolating along, and of course that's one

895
01:19:09.840 --> 01:19:13.039
of the many reasons why I don't, you know, act like the pied

896
01:19:13.119 --> 01:19:15.800
Piper's telling people, hey, go
battle with the I R S. Because

897
01:19:16.359 --> 01:19:20.680
I just don't think most people are. I wasn't even really equipped for it.

898
01:19:20.720 --> 01:19:25.640
But you know, I just reach
out to the Lord and know that

899
01:19:25.920 --> 01:19:30.840
he'll he'll protect you, and not
necessarily from pain or suffering, but in

900
01:19:30.920 --> 01:19:35.039
terms of protection of your soul and
you know, your your desire for truth.

901
01:19:35.239 --> 01:19:38.840
Yes, that's right. That is
the thing that matters, and that

902
01:19:39.000 --> 01:19:43.239
is the final court and judgment that
matters, and that's what gives us the

903
01:19:43.319 --> 01:19:46.520
leverage to make these kinds of changes. Well, you know, I really

904
01:19:46.760 --> 01:19:51.520
and I understand because I have.
I've talked to people who went to battle

905
01:19:51.560 --> 01:19:54.800
with the I R S. A
new one guy who went to prison,

906
01:19:54.880 --> 01:19:59.439
and his you know what happened to
him in trial was he went in he

907
01:19:59.560 --> 01:20:01.840
thought he something in the law that
you know, shut everything down, and

908
01:20:01.960 --> 01:20:06.880
so he was going to make that
the issue at the trial and he brings

909
01:20:06.960 --> 01:20:10.039
up he goes, what about this. I said, now, we're not

910
01:20:10.039 --> 01:20:13.239
going to talk about that next question, you know, and that was it.

911
01:20:13.840 --> 01:20:15.439
And yeah, he couldn't even find
anybody who's going to represent him,

912
01:20:15.479 --> 01:20:19.000
so he does it, you know, himself, And they wouldn't answer the

913
01:20:19.000 --> 01:20:24.359
first question. They just shut everything
down and wouldn't consider anything. Did they

914
01:20:24.399 --> 01:20:30.479
try to with your situation? They
tried to bring enough charges that they offered

915
01:20:30.520 --> 01:20:32.920
you a plea bargain instead of having
a jury trial. Was that, you

916
01:20:32.920 --> 01:20:36.680
know? Interestingly, and according to
my attorneys who had had much more experience

917
01:20:36.880 --> 01:20:42.760
with Charles and please, they never
offered me a plea. It's almost like

918
01:20:42.800 --> 01:20:48.960
they knew what fingers I would show
them if they had done that bother with

919
01:20:49.039 --> 01:20:53.680
it. But they said it was
really unprecedented that there wasn't even a plea

920
01:20:53.720 --> 01:20:58.920
offer. So they must have done
some kind of study of my personality or

921
01:20:58.920 --> 01:21:02.279
something that you know, I granted, you know, there's people that are

922
01:21:02.439 --> 01:21:10.359
guilty of crimes that say I didn't
do it. But I didn't. There

923
01:21:10.399 --> 01:21:15.079
was nothing untoward at all. You
know, I wouldn't sign a document and

924
01:21:15.159 --> 01:21:17.239
a penalty perjury unless I knew that
it was true, correct and complete.

925
01:21:17.840 --> 01:21:21.159
And of course the trial proved that
they all were. But they charged me

926
01:21:21.199 --> 01:21:25.279
anyway. In fact, the special
agent that I used to work with who

927
01:21:25.359 --> 01:21:30.399
investigated me, I have it from
a very good source that he actually recommended

928
01:21:30.439 --> 01:21:35.920
that I not be prosecuted. And
when a special agent, actually any investigator

929
01:21:36.479 --> 01:21:42.920
does an investigation, it's not a
foregone conclusion that they're going to find that

930
01:21:42.960 --> 01:21:45.960
there's a crime. Granted jury,
grand juries and diet Ham sandwiches, et

931
01:21:46.000 --> 01:21:49.720
cetera. But there is actually you
come to the end of the road and

932
01:21:49.760 --> 01:21:55.279
the investigator is supposed to give it
a recommendation should there be prosecution or not.

933
01:21:55.920 --> 01:21:58.439
And I've never been able to get
my hands on the report, but

934
01:21:58.520 --> 01:22:02.399
a very reliable so are said that
the special agent actually recommended that I not

935
01:22:02.520 --> 01:22:06.199
be prosecuted because you could not find, you know, evidence that the elements

936
01:22:06.199 --> 01:22:12.800
of the crime had been satisfied.
And yet the the DJ, the i

937
01:22:12.960 --> 01:22:16.039
R S, you know, all
the bureaucracy decided, well, we're going

938
01:22:16.119 --> 01:22:23.600
to prosecute him anyway, because we
can't have this wayward guy telling the public

939
01:22:23.640 --> 01:22:28.319
that there might be an alternative to
you know, our government position just just

940
01:22:28.399 --> 01:22:31.159
pure vindictiveness. And of course the
reason that they'll do that is because they

941
01:22:31.159 --> 01:22:34.960
don't want to they don't want to
lose a trial, you know, and

942
01:22:35.000 --> 01:22:38.319
so they're looking a lot of you
know, what they do with the grand

943
01:22:38.359 --> 01:22:43.680
jury is to judge the strength of
their case, and so you know they

944
01:22:43.680 --> 01:22:46.600
don't. Nobody wants to go into
this as an investigator or a prosecutor or

945
01:22:46.640 --> 01:22:51.560
whatever and lose, and so that's
why they make those types of recommendations.

946
01:22:51.560 --> 01:22:55.439
But the higher ups just wanted to
get even with that. Tell us a

947
01:22:55.439 --> 01:22:59.439
little bit about your take on what
is happening with this expansion of the I

948
01:22:59.600 --> 01:23:02.800
r S. Because now with this
new bill that just got passed, they're

949
01:23:02.840 --> 01:23:06.800
going to take the budget that is
currently twelve billion dollars and they're going to

950
01:23:06.800 --> 01:23:10.680
add eighty billion dollars to it.
So it's going to be, you know,

951
01:23:10.680 --> 01:23:14.239
about seven and a half times bigger
than it is right now. From

952
01:23:14.279 --> 01:23:16.880
having been there in the past,
how do you think this is going to

953
01:23:16.960 --> 01:23:20.800
play out? I mean, there's
been a lot of talk Joe about the

954
01:23:20.840 --> 01:23:25.439
IRS agents who are carrying guns and
that type of thing. I know there'll

955
01:23:25.439 --> 01:23:29.720
be a lot of agents that'll just
be doing audits, like from a CPA

956
01:23:29.840 --> 01:23:34.720
standpoint, But how do you think
this is going to play out in terms

957
01:23:34.800 --> 01:23:40.479
of how it's going to affect us
as individuals? Well, I could start

958
01:23:40.479 --> 01:23:45.319
with the criminal investigation component, just
because I'm most familiar with that. But

959
01:23:45.359 --> 01:23:47.920
when I was, when I was
with the IRS, there was I think

960
01:23:47.960 --> 01:23:55.359
between twenty eight hundred and three thousand
IRS special agents, and now, or

961
01:23:55.359 --> 01:24:00.319
at least until this bill and the
preparations for it, is about twenty three

962
01:24:00.399 --> 01:24:05.039
hundred, so the head count actually
went down by about seven hundred. I

963
01:24:05.079 --> 01:24:12.439
think even Rhino Republicans were hesitant to
you know, beef up budgets for the

964
01:24:12.439 --> 01:24:15.640
IRS because you know, the public, at least they're gonna that kind of

965
01:24:15.720 --> 01:24:24.319
information is gonna going to percolate down
to the average joe. So what's amazing

966
01:24:24.399 --> 01:24:28.000
though, is now, of course, with a barely or you know,

967
01:24:28.079 --> 01:24:31.800
democratically controlled Congress and a president that
will sign the bill, this was basically

968
01:24:31.880 --> 01:24:36.880
their only chance to do what they've
probably wanted to do for you know,

969
01:24:38.000 --> 01:24:44.479
thirty forty years, to really just
just pad in the billions and have all

970
01:24:44.479 --> 01:24:51.680
the personnel because the ultimate the ultimate
goal really is fear so that people self

971
01:24:53.319 --> 01:24:57.119
well, just like self censorship,
right, they self report, they pay

972
01:24:57.199 --> 01:25:00.960
more, they don't fight a notice
that that's erroneous telling them that they own

973
01:25:01.000 --> 01:25:06.119
more taxes. They want to cultivate
that fear so they get the compliance without

974
01:25:06.159 --> 01:25:11.000
really having to do anything that's right, and it's been very effective. I

975
01:25:11.000 --> 01:25:14.359
mean, when we look at an
army of eighty seven thousand new agents,

976
01:25:14.760 --> 01:25:17.239
not all of them carrying guns,
but you can destroy somebody's life with a

977
01:25:17.239 --> 01:25:20.800
pencil on the paper, right.
And so when you look at that being

978
01:25:20.840 --> 01:25:26.560
unleashed on people, and when you
look at the idea that the Democrats want

979
01:25:26.640 --> 01:25:30.119
to raise taxes, and for the
most part, even though there were some

980
01:25:30.239 --> 01:25:32.960
corporate taxes in there that got raised, for the most part, they want

981
01:25:32.960 --> 01:25:38.239
to raise the revenue by squeezing it
out of people with the current tax law

982
01:25:38.319 --> 01:25:42.760
and by using the IRS. I
think that's the thing that is really concerning

983
01:25:42.960 --> 01:25:49.119
and intimidating and designed to intimidate people, right. And they're really effective at

984
01:25:49.199 --> 01:25:56.039
using little buzz phrases like tax the
rich, pay your fair share, and

985
01:25:56.119 --> 01:26:00.479
you know these Pavlovian they get the
Pavlovian response, you know, when you're

986
01:26:00.560 --> 01:26:03.439
you have to be afraid that in
a jury. Thankfully I didn't have such

987
01:26:03.479 --> 01:26:06.359
a jury. I had a thinking
jury. But the jury that's like,

988
01:26:06.399 --> 01:26:10.640
well I got to pay my fair
share, he got to pay his.

989
01:26:10.840 --> 01:26:14.199
And they convince you, you know, over that as opposed to whether you

990
01:26:14.239 --> 01:26:19.319
actually violated a law. But the
yeah, the intimidation is is the go

991
01:26:19.439 --> 01:26:25.079
to way that they get things done. I guess what I'm concerned about is,

992
01:26:25.800 --> 01:26:28.800
Well, for what the good news? I'll say, first, it's

993
01:26:28.840 --> 01:26:33.359
going to take quite a bit of
time to ramp up to on board.

994
01:26:34.199 --> 01:26:39.399
Even if they do have the budget
for eighty seven thousand new people, it's

995
01:26:39.399 --> 01:26:44.199
going to take a few years at
you know, to ramp them up where

996
01:26:44.199 --> 01:26:47.680
they're trained and they're actually then making
phone calls and sending letters and so in

997
01:26:47.760 --> 01:26:53.560
the meantime, you know, that's
more Americans that can wake up and get

998
01:26:53.560 --> 01:26:58.560
the law repealed or or take away
their budget or and neither stop gap,

999
01:26:58.720 --> 01:27:03.680
right, I mean, obviously the
agencies shouldn't even exist. Yes, And

1000
01:27:03.720 --> 01:27:06.119
I guess that's the question. You
know, we can't get the GOP to

1001
01:27:06.159 --> 01:27:12.239
do anything to really change this structure. You talked about how it was created

1002
01:27:12.560 --> 01:27:15.199
nineteen thirteen. You know, what
did we do before that. I've mentioned

1003
01:27:15.199 --> 01:27:20.039
many times that Thomas Jefferson said and
bragged about in his second inaugural address that

1004
01:27:20.079 --> 01:27:26.279
they had eliminated useless offices and spending
in his first administration. And so he

1005
01:27:26.359 --> 01:27:30.760
said no American now, no no
American, no farmer, no labor or

1006
01:27:30.800 --> 01:27:33.520
no mechanic knows the taxman. They
didn't have any internal taxes at all.

1007
01:27:34.039 --> 01:27:38.880
They had all the government was run
off of taxes at the border. But

1008
01:27:38.920 --> 01:27:42.520
when we had this globalization come in
the early part of the twentieth century,

1009
01:27:43.000 --> 01:27:48.600
they started they completely reversed that to
make this something coming after Americans internally,

1010
01:27:48.640 --> 01:27:51.520
that the internal revenue. You know, they'd had external revenue. Now it

1011
01:27:51.560 --> 01:27:59.960
becomes internal revenue and lockstep of the
federal reserve and focusing on Americans rather than

1012
01:28:00.279 --> 01:28:04.720
you know, collecting the revenue at
the border. So I don't really think

1013
01:28:04.760 --> 01:28:08.920
that the GOP is going to do
anything to even pull back this increase,

1014
01:28:08.960 --> 01:28:13.039
do you No. I'm just saying, like, you know, the ramp

1015
01:28:13.159 --> 01:28:16.079
up will take a while, and
we just have to keep growing our numbers.

1016
01:28:16.159 --> 01:28:20.600
And you know, David Knight needs
to have ten and twenty and thirty

1017
01:28:20.640 --> 01:28:27.680
million listeners and viewers. And I
won't tell them all that stuff if I

1018
01:28:27.720 --> 01:28:30.319
did. Yeah, there's a guy
that's come out as a whistleblower in terms

1019
01:28:30.359 --> 01:28:34.239
of talking about how this is going
to impact people, William Hank. I'm

1020
01:28:34.239 --> 01:28:39.560
sure that you've seen what he's had
to say a former lawyer for the IRS,

1021
01:28:40.039 --> 01:28:43.520
and he's saying, no, they're
going to focus on lower income people.

1022
01:28:43.880 --> 01:28:45.359
He said, that's what they've always
done, and of course they're not

1023
01:28:45.359 --> 01:28:47.680
going to be able to raise the
kinds of money. And he goes through

1024
01:28:47.720 --> 01:28:49.399
it. He says, YEA,
they're saying they're going to raise this much

1025
01:28:49.399 --> 01:28:51.479
revenue. Well, there isn't that
much revenue. If you're going to talk

1026
01:28:51.520 --> 01:28:56.000
about people making over four hundred thousand
dollars, there's absolutely no way they could

1027
01:28:56.000 --> 01:28:59.439
squeeze that kind of revenue out of
them. They're going to have to go

1028
01:28:59.760 --> 01:29:04.439
to the people with lower incomes.
What was your experience when they would when

1029
01:29:04.479 --> 01:29:08.439
you were at the IRS, I
mean, how how was this? Uh?

1030
01:29:08.479 --> 01:29:13.000
How was the split between the middle
class and the poor people and wealthy

1031
01:29:13.000 --> 01:29:16.439
people in terms of audits, in
terms of the way they come after them?

1032
01:29:16.640 --> 01:29:20.239
Well, there was the There would
definitely be an effort to go after

1033
01:29:20.279 --> 01:29:25.640
the we call them poster children,
the Leona Helmsley's, you know, the

1034
01:29:26.479 --> 01:29:29.800
and there's always one of those every
year around April fifteenth. Isn't it interesting?

1035
01:29:30.479 --> 01:29:32.760
Right? Yeah, we call it, we with Gallo's humor, call

1036
01:29:32.800 --> 01:29:38.920
it tax terrorism season. Yeah,
he's going to be the poster child this

1037
01:29:39.000 --> 01:29:42.399
year for you better pay your taxes, you know. Yeah, So we

1038
01:29:42.439 --> 01:29:46.039
always and there was there would be
an uptick. Like basically the management was

1039
01:29:46.079 --> 01:29:49.760
looking even on a smaller scale,
not the Willie Nelson's and the Pete Roses,

1040
01:29:51.119 --> 01:29:56.000
but still on a smaller scale locally, you know, okay, timing

1041
01:29:56.079 --> 01:30:01.079
of the indictments and the press releases
and cultivating that fear. Of course they

1042
01:30:01.119 --> 01:30:04.880
didn't call it that, but ultimately
that was just you know, they know

1043
01:30:04.960 --> 01:30:09.960
that they can only get so much
enforcement out there, but they know how

1044
01:30:10.039 --> 01:30:15.800
much fear and intimidation they can generate
by the publicity, and so that's always

1045
01:30:15.880 --> 01:30:21.319
been the priority. But you know, I worked on some famous cases that

1046
01:30:21.319 --> 01:30:25.920
may have been famous around the Bay
Area, you know, or California at

1047
01:30:25.960 --> 01:30:30.760
the time, but you had but
lots of you know, really people that

1048
01:30:30.840 --> 01:30:40.439
weren't weren't very wealthy. We're certainly
targeted this investigation that we would do.

1049
01:30:40.720 --> 01:30:43.920
I believe they still do. You
probably heard of the earned income tax credit

1050
01:30:44.960 --> 01:30:47.439
and every year the Congress would want
us to go out the special agents because

1051
01:30:47.439 --> 01:30:50.680
you'd be knocking on doors. So
they wanted to have the armed agents do

1052
01:30:50.800 --> 01:30:58.479
so, and we would find massive
fraud in the e t C program and

1053
01:30:58.520 --> 01:31:01.359
we'd report it to Congress, and
Congress would just keep increasing the budget on

1054
01:31:01.439 --> 01:31:08.239
it everywhere. And of course you've
heard about all the Solid Security number fraud

1055
01:31:08.319 --> 01:31:11.880
that goes on. I mean,
literally, it is such a pathetic,

1056
01:31:13.079 --> 01:31:15.720
ugly, gross system, don't you
know. I'm still out a twenty three

1057
01:31:15.800 --> 01:31:20.640
years trying to wake people up.
I don't know why the American people put

1058
01:31:20.760 --> 01:31:23.760
up with it, and I think, you know, if there were enough

1059
01:31:24.319 --> 01:31:27.960
we could change it. And so
that's why you and I know, beat

1060
01:31:28.000 --> 01:31:31.079
our heads against the wall just trying
to tell the truth and hope that people

1061
01:31:31.079 --> 01:31:34.800
will listen, because in a sense, we're inflicting our own punishment, you

1062
01:31:34.880 --> 01:31:40.039
know, by not gathering together and
saying you've had enough. I agree,

1063
01:31:40.119 --> 01:31:43.319
Yeah, that is exactly it.
And they take advantage of people. It's

1064
01:31:43.319 --> 01:31:46.720
one of the things that Think and
others were saying was that they typically go

1065
01:31:46.880 --> 01:31:49.800
for a low hanging fruit. They
go for people who don't have a lot

1066
01:31:49.800 --> 01:31:54.560
of money, who cannot and they
guess they're not going to go out and

1067
01:31:54.600 --> 01:31:59.800
hire a lawyer to fight back against
this like rich people would, and so

1068
01:32:00.079 --> 01:32:01.359
they just know that's going to be
low hanging fruit. It's going to be

1069
01:32:01.359 --> 01:32:05.239
easy for them to get it.
And we've seen that with civil asset forfeiture

1070
01:32:05.279 --> 01:32:10.119
as well. When they would go
around Chicago, most of the cars and

1071
01:32:10.159 --> 01:32:15.039
things like that they're solen, have
a low value. They're right around one

1072
01:32:15.039 --> 01:32:17.880
thousand dollars because they charge somebody if
they want to fight this, they have

1073
01:32:17.920 --> 01:32:23.119
to come up with nine hundred dollars
to start these civil proceedings to try to

1074
01:32:23.439 --> 01:32:25.880
prove that they're innocent. Same thing
we see with the Irs. Right,

1075
01:32:25.880 --> 01:32:30.239
you're guilty and you have to prove
that you're innocent. And so they take

1076
01:32:30.279 --> 01:32:32.479
the cars from these people who have
cars that are only worth a little bit

1077
01:32:32.520 --> 01:32:39.000
more than they would have to pony
up in order to contest this. And

1078
01:32:39.039 --> 01:32:41.439
so as a result, they just
walk away with this stuff left and right.

1079
01:32:41.520 --> 01:32:44.920
I think that's what's happening a great
deal with this as well, intimidating

1080
01:32:44.920 --> 01:32:48.319
people and especially preying on people they
know aren't going to fight back. So

1081
01:32:48.359 --> 01:32:54.119
what do we tell people? What
is it that people need to know about

1082
01:32:54.119 --> 01:32:57.720
the Irs? Because I don't want
to encourage people to go directly into battle

1083
01:32:57.800 --> 01:33:00.640
with this corrupt organization that has a
lot of power. But what do we

1084
01:33:00.720 --> 01:33:06.119
do in terms as citizens to try
to change this thing? What would you

1085
01:33:06.159 --> 01:33:11.920
suggest and what do you tell your
listeners about this? Well, certainly from

1086
01:33:11.960 --> 01:33:15.960
a you know, I realized the
frustration of you know, writing writing to

1087
01:33:15.960 --> 01:33:18.920
your congressman and whatever it might be
because they won't listen. But you know,

1088
01:33:19.760 --> 01:33:23.880
I still think you got to do
that, and you've got to encourage

1089
01:33:23.920 --> 01:33:27.680
others to do that. They have
to hear from people that they're upset.

1090
01:33:28.479 --> 01:33:30.920
The other thing is another thing is
I would say, don't you know if

1091
01:33:30.960 --> 01:33:34.680
you can help it, find some
time that rather than watching a football game

1092
01:33:34.880 --> 01:33:39.960
or you know, some pastime.
We all need our R and R.

1093
01:33:41.520 --> 01:33:46.199
But learn about your rights, learn
about the limits to their even over the

1094
01:33:46.239 --> 01:33:51.000
boundaries of authority. What to do
if an agent knocks at your door?

1095
01:33:51.439 --> 01:33:55.520
What what do you have to do? What will what can you do?

1096
01:33:55.520 --> 01:34:00.279
Don't give them the rope to hang
you with it? And that that's probably

1097
01:34:00.319 --> 01:34:03.960
the you know, phone calls and
UH house visits or office visits by I

1098
01:34:04.079 --> 01:34:08.760
R S agents. Certainly, with
if there's going to be eighty seven thousand

1099
01:34:09.319 --> 01:34:14.039
new agents pounding the pavement, UH, they're gonna have a lot better opportunity

1100
01:34:14.159 --> 01:34:18.479
to knock, do knock and talks. And if people realize they don't have

1101
01:34:18.560 --> 01:34:24.039
to even open the door. I
mean, why do people have ring cameras

1102
01:34:24.079 --> 01:34:27.800
and stuff on their on their front
porch, you know, I mean I

1103
01:34:27.840 --> 01:34:30.600
read I read an article yesterday that
was actually like a next door kind of

1104
01:34:30.600 --> 01:34:34.119
a thing, and the woman says, the man covered my camera, so

1105
01:34:34.199 --> 01:34:38.960
I opened the door to find out
what he was doing. Like what,

1106
01:34:41.039 --> 01:34:44.880
you know, don't don't open the
door, you know, learn there's there's

1107
01:34:44.960 --> 01:34:47.760
videos out now about like the ATF
you probably heard out there doing knock and

1108
01:34:47.880 --> 01:34:53.279
talks more more frequently because somebody bought
two guns all of a sudden, it's

1109
01:34:53.279 --> 01:34:57.640
an arsenal or you know, some
some bs premise that they give to uh

1110
01:34:58.159 --> 01:35:00.159
to to to fish. Yeah,
show me, I want to make sure

1111
01:35:00.199 --> 01:35:03.079
that you still got your guns,
that these weren't straw purchases. That's what

1112
01:35:03.119 --> 01:35:08.560
they do. And it is surprising
and people and some of the people who

1113
01:35:08.600 --> 01:35:13.079
did record this on you know,
doorbell camera then said, you know,

1114
01:35:13.159 --> 01:35:15.479
I knew this is wrong. I
knew they didn't have a search warrant,

1115
01:35:15.479 --> 01:35:18.039
but I was so intimidated by it. And that's the way this works the

1116
01:35:18.039 --> 01:35:21.399
way the irs works as well.
And if they're going to do that over

1117
01:35:21.479 --> 01:35:25.439
guns, you know they're going to
do this with you know, eighty seven

1118
01:35:25.520 --> 01:35:28.560
thousand new agents. You know that
there's going to be a tremendous amount of

1119
01:35:28.560 --> 01:35:30.960
this. You know, I think
that's very sound advice to know what your

1120
01:35:31.000 --> 01:35:36.159
legal rights are, what their legal
authority is, before this happens, because

1121
01:35:36.239 --> 01:35:40.079
again that once they get these agents
in it, it's going to take a

1122
01:35:40.079 --> 01:35:45.119
little while it is, it's going
to ramp up exponentially, and your chances

1123
01:35:45.279 --> 01:35:47.840
of having an encounter like that are
going to go up exponentially as well.

1124
01:35:48.319 --> 01:35:57.840
I've talked in the past to a
father who was trapped in this CPS type

1125
01:35:57.840 --> 01:36:02.520
of stuff and Dwight Mitchell, and
he went through the ringer with this thing,

1126
01:36:02.560 --> 01:36:08.199
and he set up an organization to
try to educate people about what their

1127
01:36:08.279 --> 01:36:11.039
rights are with this, and that
was one of the first things he told

1128
01:36:11.079 --> 01:36:15.560
them was do not talk to these
people. Everybody wants to initially talk to

1129
01:36:15.600 --> 01:36:16.760
them and say, yeah, let
me just show you that I didn't do

1130
01:36:16.800 --> 01:36:20.159
anything wrong. You know, that's
your first approach to it. That's not

1131
01:36:20.199 --> 01:36:25.600
what this is about. This is
they're fishing for things, and they will

1132
01:36:25.600 --> 01:36:29.720
misconstrue what you're telling them for their
own purposes. So he says, you

1133
01:36:29.840 --> 01:36:32.039
do not talk to them. That
isn't it a sign that you're guilty.

1134
01:36:32.199 --> 01:36:35.600
It's a sign that you understand what
this process is really about. And I

1135
01:36:35.600 --> 01:36:41.920
think that's something very important for people
to understand about this new army of IRS

1136
01:36:42.079 --> 01:36:45.359
agents that are going to be knocking
on your door, ringing your ringing your

1137
01:36:45.359 --> 01:36:48.359
phone. Yeah, I have your
you know, I don't know, maybe

1138
01:36:48.399 --> 01:36:53.239
in technologies advanced quite a bit,
but you know, you can monitor your

1139
01:36:53.279 --> 01:36:56.119
calls when they call on the answering
machine, and you can hear who it

1140
01:36:56.199 --> 01:36:59.640
is, and it's usually a telemarketer, but it might be an IRS agent,

1141
01:37:00.159 --> 01:37:02.600
be somebody pretending to be an IRS
agent. Even knocking at the doors.

1142
01:37:02.600 --> 01:37:06.880
I'm sure there'll be a whole new
scams of people pretending to be IRS

1143
01:37:06.880 --> 01:37:12.560
agents. So there's multiple reasons why
a person doesn't need to even open the

1144
01:37:12.560 --> 01:37:17.880
door. There's no crime against not
talking. And you know, and again

1145
01:37:18.119 --> 01:37:21.760
in the meantime, spend some time, you know, maybe on my website,

1146
01:37:21.760 --> 01:37:27.359
I have links to other websites.
Your website, listen to your shows,

1147
01:37:27.680 --> 01:37:34.399
because even when you're interviewing CPS victims
and at and gun victims. It's

1148
01:37:34.439 --> 01:37:39.079
really all the same. It is
dance card. You know, it's about

1149
01:37:39.479 --> 01:37:42.039
you do have rights. I mean, you know, as much as I've

1150
01:37:42.039 --> 01:37:47.399
been harassed over my whistle blowing,
you know, I still had a trial

1151
01:37:47.760 --> 01:37:51.800
and there was a jury, and
you know I didn't have to In fact,

1152
01:37:51.840 --> 01:37:57.279
I didn't testify and I was still
acquitted. I was able to remain

1153
01:37:57.319 --> 01:38:01.520
silent because the Constitution acknowledges that I
have that right. So you know,

1154
01:38:01.560 --> 01:38:05.079
we need to use the rights that
we still have, to fight for the

1155
01:38:05.159 --> 01:38:11.800
rights that have been taken away and
just just just fight, fight, fight,

1156
01:38:12.079 --> 01:38:15.560
you know, the entire the entire
way, and recognize that the government,

1157
01:38:15.640 --> 01:38:18.600
you know, isn't your friend,
and the investigators have they're looking for

1158
01:38:18.640 --> 01:38:24.359
more hash marks to get their promotions, and they just do not have your

1159
01:38:24.359 --> 01:38:27.520
best interest. Now, there are
some you know that, like I believe

1160
01:38:27.600 --> 01:38:30.560
I went to a search warrant once
as an IRS special agent, and you

1161
01:38:30.600 --> 01:38:34.520
know I was smiling and not like
you know, nasty kind of a smile

1162
01:38:34.640 --> 01:38:38.560
like oh, we're getting you.
But just like I had a demeanor like

1163
01:38:38.600 --> 01:38:41.079
I do now, you know,
just like I'm trying to do the right

1164
01:38:41.119 --> 01:38:45.279
thing, and these other senior agents
wanted to take a bunch of stuff,

1165
01:38:45.319 --> 01:38:50.319
a bunch of assets that weren't on
the search warrant to be taken. They

1166
01:38:50.399 --> 01:38:57.159
basically just wanted to just ream these
people by taking all their jewelry. And

1167
01:38:57.199 --> 01:39:00.920
I happened to be the asset forfeiture
coordinator at the time, and I said,

1168
01:39:01.039 --> 01:39:04.520
we're not taking that stuff. We
have no authority to take it.

1169
01:39:05.000 --> 01:39:08.159
And he says, yes, we
are. You know, I'm senior to

1170
01:39:08.239 --> 01:39:12.439
you. I said, I'm the
Asset fourfiture coordinator and I have to inventory

1171
01:39:12.479 --> 01:39:17.479
this stuff and explain and justify why
we took it. We're not taking it.

1172
01:39:17.520 --> 01:39:20.439
Well, good for you. Yeah, So sid forfeiture, that's one

1173
01:39:20.479 --> 01:39:24.920
of the big things that's come in
and of course you know IRS as well

1174
01:39:24.960 --> 01:39:28.840
as the DEA, all these different
organizations are doing it. Now. We

1175
01:39:28.920 --> 01:39:33.319
have in California even a sheriff's office
that is actually robbing armored cars and the

1176
01:39:33.319 --> 01:39:40.680
pretense that this has contaminated money.
Even though the marijuana facility was legal there

1177
01:39:40.720 --> 01:39:44.600
in California under federal law, it's
not. So we're going to steal everything

1178
01:39:45.000 --> 01:39:48.520
everything in your armored car it's just
incredible what is happening now. But you

1179
01:39:48.520 --> 01:39:50.840
know, one of the things I
don't want to get your take on this,

1180
01:39:51.159 --> 01:39:58.680
Stuart or Joe, is that you
know, we have we have a

1181
01:39:58.720 --> 01:40:02.399
government that claims that the deficit doesn't
matter anymore. This is a claim that

1182
01:40:02.439 --> 01:40:06.880
was made during COVID by Republicans,
by Trump and the other people who signed

1183
01:40:06.880 --> 01:40:10.840
on to this. The only person
who seemed to have a problem with the

1184
01:40:11.239 --> 01:40:15.359
three trillion plus expenditure was Thomas Massey, and they were furious with him try

1185
01:40:15.399 --> 01:40:18.880
to get him thrown out, especially
Trump. And so with the Democrats,

1186
01:40:18.960 --> 01:40:25.359
they've embraced this modern monetary theory and
they're adamant about the fact that the deficits

1187
01:40:25.399 --> 01:40:29.279
don't matter whatsoever. And so then
the question becomes, why do we even

1188
01:40:29.359 --> 01:40:31.520
need to have any taxes? Is
it just to take away all of our

1189
01:40:31.560 --> 01:40:34.600
disposable income. I think that's one
of the things that needs to be pointed

1190
01:40:34.600 --> 01:40:38.119
out to some of these Republicans.
It's like, if you guys don't really

1191
01:40:38.159 --> 01:40:44.119
care the deficit matters, why are
you pushing us on these taxes. They

1192
01:40:44.159 --> 01:40:48.600
really don't have a rationale even for
doing this, because they're nowhere near balancing

1193
01:40:48.640 --> 01:40:53.039
the budget. And they're never going
to balance the budget. And they know

1194
01:40:53.079 --> 01:40:56.159
that. That's why some of them
were talking about having a constitutional convention in

1195
01:40:56.279 --> 01:40:59.159
order to try to force a balanced
budget. But of course that in and

1196
01:40:59.159 --> 01:41:01.119
of itself is a very dangerous thing. But they know that there isn't the

1197
01:41:01.159 --> 01:41:04.920
will to balance the budget. So
why are we doing the taxes? No,

1198
01:41:05.399 --> 01:41:11.119
I totally agree. In fact here
I was a CPA, got hired

1199
01:41:11.159 --> 01:41:13.960
by the I R S and all
these things that I you know that,

1200
01:41:14.239 --> 01:41:19.159
as we joked, we're out in
the conspiracy theory territory. We're all completely

1201
01:41:19.199 --> 01:41:24.840
factual. As far as the monetary
system. The real purpose for the income

1202
01:41:24.920 --> 01:41:30.159
tax to you know, kind of
scrape off all that excess money printing to

1203
01:41:30.239 --> 01:41:35.760
keep inflation under control. And when
the government can you borrow endlessly from the

1204
01:41:35.760 --> 01:41:42.000
federal reserve to fund its operations.
Why why is there a need for an

1205
01:41:42.039 --> 01:41:45.119
income tax? Well, of course, it's because the federal reserve prints the

1206
01:41:45.159 --> 01:41:49.600
money out of thin air and then
lends it to the government. And the

1207
01:41:49.640 --> 01:41:55.319
government's role is to, you know, the point of a gun, bring

1208
01:41:55.359 --> 01:41:58.880
the tax money back to the to
the federal reserve. In terms of interest

1209
01:41:58.880 --> 01:42:02.880
payments, so you know, it's
too bad the public. I mean,

1210
01:42:03.039 --> 01:42:06.199
there's some complexities to it, but
you know, books like Creature from Jackyal

1211
01:42:06.279 --> 01:42:12.199
Island by Jedward Griffin, America Freedom
to Fascism, a film that I was

1212
01:42:12.239 --> 01:42:16.359
in back in two thousand and six. There's all kinds of ways, really

1213
01:42:16.399 --> 01:42:20.520
simple ways on the Internet for people
to get the basics. They just have

1214
01:42:20.600 --> 01:42:25.159
to take the time to do.
So I agree, Yeah, you're talking

1215
01:42:25.199 --> 01:42:29.800
about Jergward Griffin's book Creature from jackyl
Island and some of these other things.

1216
01:42:29.840 --> 01:42:35.399
I think we're about ready to have
another resetting of the dollar as a you

1217
01:42:35.439 --> 01:42:40.479
know, in the same way that
Nixon took us off of the gold standard

1218
01:42:40.520 --> 01:42:43.720
and put us on to the petro
dollar and that type of thing. Central

1219
01:42:43.760 --> 01:42:45.359
bank digital currency. And you know, when I think about the central bank

1220
01:42:45.399 --> 01:42:50.600
digital currency and their ability to preemptively
control everything that we spend and to be

1221
01:42:50.680 --> 01:42:58.279
able to confiscate money just a flick
of a switch from us, what happens

1222
01:42:58.279 --> 01:43:00.439
to the irs when they go to
a central bank digital currency? Are these

1223
01:43:00.479 --> 01:43:05.760
people going to become like couber drivers
when they go to fully automated taxicabs Johnny

1224
01:43:05.800 --> 01:43:10.800
cabs. Well, one thing you
can bet on at least in all my

1225
01:43:10.880 --> 01:43:17.239
experience and research is that they're very
forward thinking in the government and so in

1226
01:43:17.279 --> 01:43:19.760
fact, like in nineteen ninety eight
when I was there, they had the

1227
01:43:19.800 --> 01:43:27.640
IRS Restructuring and Reform Act, so
the you know, the oxymoronic names of

1228
01:43:27.680 --> 01:43:31.800
bills like the Inflation Reduction Act,
the Restruction Reform Act, was not about

1229
01:43:31.840 --> 01:43:38.760
restructuring and reforming the IRS. It
was really about hiding their tracks from stuff

1230
01:43:38.800 --> 01:43:41.640
they had done in the past.
But they always put you know, the

1231
01:43:41.920 --> 01:43:45.960
pearls around the pig's neck to make
it look good. But I have a

1232
01:43:45.960 --> 01:43:49.600
feeling that those eighty seven thousand agents
in this uptick and IRS, it's about

1233
01:43:50.520 --> 01:43:58.279
being there and being ready when the
turmoil hits with the bad currency and knowing

1234
01:43:58.319 --> 01:44:01.119
that people are going to maybe not
pay their tax bills so that they can

1235
01:44:01.199 --> 01:44:05.920
survive, and they need these agents
who are going to be there ready to

1236
01:44:06.239 --> 01:44:10.640
take your property if you don't cooperate, even if you don't have the money

1237
01:44:10.640 --> 01:44:13.600
to pay. I agree, yeah, taking your property. And here's the

1238
01:44:13.720 --> 01:44:17.279
here's where I put on my conspiracy
theory tenfoil hat. I think that's what's

1239
01:44:17.359 --> 01:44:23.439
going to happen, is this Army
of IRS agents are being prepared to try

1240
01:44:23.439 --> 01:44:27.319
to take assets away from people who
are going to be outside of the CBDC.

1241
01:44:28.199 --> 01:44:30.600
That's going to be something that people
are going to try to avoid,

1242
01:44:31.079 --> 01:44:38.479
like the plague, even more so
than any plague that they that they invent.

1243
01:44:38.560 --> 01:44:41.119
I mean, I wasn't trying to
avoid the plague myself because I didn't

1244
01:44:41.119 --> 01:44:44.159
believe there was a plague when it
was going through. But I think that

1245
01:44:44.439 --> 01:44:47.640
when they push this CBDC through,
they're going to have to have two different

1246
01:44:47.720 --> 01:44:51.039
aspects of it. One of them
is going to be Okay, here's the

1247
01:44:51.079 --> 01:44:54.439
thing, and we want you to
do this, and then we're going to

1248
01:44:54.439 --> 01:44:58.439
incentivize it for a little while and
try to get as many people using it

1249
01:44:58.520 --> 01:45:00.720
as we'll do it. As we
saw with the VACS scenes, right,

1250
01:45:00.920 --> 01:45:01.760
they're going to say, well,
this is great, you ought to have

1251
01:45:01.760 --> 01:45:05.079
it's going to save your life.
Then the next step is we'll have a

1252
01:45:05.119 --> 01:45:10.800
lottery here, and you know you
have a chance of winning lots of money

1253
01:45:10.800 --> 01:45:14.600
if you take the vaccine. I
think the correlation to that with a CBDC

1254
01:45:15.199 --> 01:45:17.439
will be that they will say,
well, we're going to make it so

1255
01:45:17.520 --> 01:45:21.359
much easier for you they might even
throw in some cash bonuses if you use

1256
01:45:21.359 --> 01:45:25.439
the CBDC at the beginning. But
then you're going to get to the point

1257
01:45:25.479 --> 01:45:28.560
where they're going to try to course
you. And I think that's where this

1258
01:45:28.680 --> 01:45:30.560
army of IRS agents are coming in. I think that's a forward thinking part

1259
01:45:30.560 --> 01:45:32.479
about it. People are looking at
this and say, Wow, they're really

1260
01:45:32.479 --> 01:45:35.720
going to make our life hell with
this. I think the light making your

1261
01:45:35.720 --> 01:45:41.079
life hell is going to be using
this army of I R S agents to

1262
01:45:41.479 --> 01:45:47.800
attack us if we try to have
a a an economy that is outside of

1263
01:45:47.840 --> 01:45:51.800
the CBDC. Do you agree?
What do you think? I do very

1264
01:45:51.880 --> 01:45:58.399
much, as I know you're on
board with this. We're Americans. We

1265
01:45:58.439 --> 01:46:02.800
don't give up. That's right.
Might be collectively way too apathetic, and

1266
01:46:02.880 --> 01:46:09.479
we've let the cancer grow way too
way too far throughout the body, but

1267
01:46:09.880 --> 01:46:12.520
we don't give up. And you
know, people like yourself, all the

1268
01:46:12.520 --> 01:46:17.479
whistleblowers relating to the COVID jabs and
the gain of function research and all that

1269
01:46:17.520 --> 01:46:20.880
stuff, those of us from you
know, brave people who said I need

1270
01:46:20.920 --> 01:46:25.239
to tell my neighbor. I need
to tell my neighbor because I care about

1271
01:46:25.239 --> 01:46:29.119
my neighbor that this shot is a
dust shot, or that this income tax

1272
01:46:29.239 --> 01:46:31.439
is a scam, or that the
I R S agents. You know,

1273
01:46:31.600 --> 01:46:34.680
you don't have to talk to them, you know, get out, spend

1274
01:46:34.680 --> 01:46:40.279
a little more time on protecting yourself
and your family because the the resources are

1275
01:46:40.319 --> 01:46:44.239
out there, including the David Night
Show U and you know, maybe a

1276
01:46:44.239 --> 01:46:48.319
little less of the football games and
things like that, and you might find

1277
01:46:48.319 --> 01:46:53.079
that we can actually affect a change
for the better. I agree, Yeah,

1278
01:46:53.159 --> 01:46:56.319
I think it's going to be it's
going to have to be an education

1279
01:46:56.560 --> 01:47:00.680
thing and uh, we're going to
have to warn people about a possible possibility

1280
01:47:00.680 --> 01:47:02.920
of how this is going to be
used, tell them about how this is

1281
01:47:02.920 --> 01:47:08.359
currently being abused, and it's going
to be a life saving issue, just

1282
01:47:08.439 --> 01:47:12.000
like this vaccination thing was. We
go back and we look at this and

1283
01:47:12.359 --> 01:47:15.920
it breaks my heart to see all
the people who have been killed and injured

1284
01:47:15.960 --> 01:47:21.880
with this and continually who continue to
be misguided with all this and continue to

1285
01:47:21.920 --> 01:47:25.840
live in fear. And we have
to push back against this. And I

1286
01:47:25.880 --> 01:47:30.279
think a key thing is going to
be educating people around us and our group

1287
01:47:30.319 --> 01:47:33.560
of people that we have influence with
as well as we can. And it's

1288
01:47:33.600 --> 01:47:39.600
also going to be making sure that
we have good people in local offices.

1289
01:47:40.319 --> 01:47:45.279
I've been telling people, Joe that
I think it's far more important who your

1290
01:47:45.279 --> 01:47:48.600
sheriff is than who's sitting in the
oval office, because that's really going to

1291
01:47:48.640 --> 01:47:51.600
be more protection for you, or
it's going to make things a lot worse

1292
01:47:51.640 --> 01:47:57.600
for you if the wrong person gets
in, depending on than you know who

1293
01:47:57.640 --> 01:48:00.319
is in the oval office or who
is even the state capitol. It's going

1294
01:48:00.359 --> 01:48:04.079
to be the local officials who will
have your back or who will be beating

1295
01:48:04.119 --> 01:48:08.760
you on the back at a higher
rate. And I think that's the key

1296
01:48:08.800 --> 01:48:13.279
thing. You look at eighty seven
thousand new IRS agents and yet there's a

1297
01:48:13.319 --> 01:48:17.399
lot more local law enforcement officials at
the sheriff's level and things like that that

1298
01:48:17.520 --> 01:48:23.000
could protect us against this if they
understand that we're all in this together.

1299
01:48:24.479 --> 01:48:27.560
Yes. In fact, maybe you've
interviewed him once or more than once,

1300
01:48:27.680 --> 01:48:32.439
Richard Mack, former sheriff in Arizona. He's got the Constitutional Sheriffs and Peace

1301
01:48:32.479 --> 01:48:39.680
Officers Association or CSPOA, yes dot
org. And that's exactly the kind of

1302
01:48:39.680 --> 01:48:43.520
at least an organized effort. Any
effort is good. Yeah, but that's

1303
01:48:43.520 --> 01:48:46.399
an organized effort to reach out to
each and every sheriff across the country,

1304
01:48:46.640 --> 01:48:53.039
you know, excess of three thousand
of them. Because one of the many

1305
01:48:53.079 --> 01:48:56.640
things I admire about you is reminding
people about, you know, acting locally,

1306
01:48:57.600 --> 01:49:00.840
because how much you can how much
change you can really affect locally just

1307
01:49:00.880 --> 01:49:06.000
with the sheriff's office. So yeah, people that check out, and that's

1308
01:49:06.000 --> 01:49:08.880
a key thing. You know,
we can be caught up so much of

1309
01:49:08.880 --> 01:49:15.000
the personalities and the politics, and
they want to direct us continually to Washington,

1310
01:49:15.039 --> 01:49:17.960
where we have the least ability to
affect anything because it is so distant

1311
01:49:18.039 --> 01:49:23.520
from us, and not just geographically, but it is there's so many different

1312
01:49:23.600 --> 01:49:27.920
levels, you know, away from
us that it is very difficult to have

1313
01:49:28.039 --> 01:49:32.800
any kind of a chance to change
anything there. And the whole situation is

1314
01:49:32.920 --> 01:49:36.279
very rigged. Even if we want
to have an honest election, that's something

1315
01:49:36.319 --> 01:49:39.920
that we're going to have to work
for at the local level. They don't

1316
01:49:39.960 --> 01:49:44.760
want us having relationships with each other. They want us connected to them in

1317
01:49:44.800 --> 01:49:49.239
a centralized way through zoom and other
things like that, rather than having face

1318
01:49:49.279 --> 01:49:53.399
to face meetings with other people.
And that's going to be the key thing.

1319
01:49:53.600 --> 01:49:57.560
But I really do think that that
is the way of the most dangerous

1320
01:49:57.600 --> 01:50:00.359
ways that this army of IRS agents
are to be used, and that is

1321
01:50:00.399 --> 01:50:06.720
to try to shut down any alternative
economy that would exist. And I think

1322
01:50:06.760 --> 01:50:11.520
that's going to go for cryptocurrency.
I think it's going to go for people

1323
01:50:11.560 --> 01:50:15.159
who try to do anything in terms
of a barter and local community. I

1324
01:50:15.199 --> 01:50:19.359
think that's what they've got this army
of agents for. That's my just spidy

1325
01:50:19.399 --> 01:50:23.840
sense about this, if you will. Can't prove it yet, but I

1326
01:50:24.199 --> 01:50:27.399
think we watched this space and I
think we're going to see some evident's coming.

1327
01:50:27.600 --> 01:50:29.600
Well, it's great talking to you, Joe. We're gonna have to

1328
01:50:29.600 --> 01:50:33.159
get you on again. And Agent
for Truth is where people can find you,

1329
01:50:33.359 --> 01:50:36.520
and the name of the book that
they can find there at agentfotruth dot

1330
01:50:36.560 --> 01:50:42.560
com. Investigating the Federal Income Tax
the report to the American people. Good

1331
01:50:42.760 --> 01:50:45.760
good, Absolutely, you've been there, You've walked the walk, You've kept

1332
01:50:45.760 --> 01:50:48.560
your integrity. I have the utmost
admiration for you, Joe. I appreciate

1333
01:50:48.600 --> 01:50:54.920
what you've done and it has its
own reward. I know it's been tough

1334
01:50:54.920 --> 01:51:00.399
for you, but it has its
own reward and you have capture integrity and

1335
01:51:00.479 --> 01:51:02.760
that's the best any of us can
do. Thank you for what you do.

1336
01:51:02.840 --> 01:51:05.640
Appreciate that. I admire you too, David. Thank you very much

1337
01:51:05.680 --> 01:51:23.319
for having me well. Thank you
the common man. They created common Core

1338
01:51:23.479 --> 01:51:28.000
and dumbed down our children. They
created common Past to track and control us.

1339
01:51:28.279 --> 01:51:33.640
They're Commons project to make sure the
commoners own nothing and the communist future.

1340
01:51:35.159 --> 01:51:41.399
They see the common man as simple, unsophisticated ordinary. But each of

1341
01:51:41.520 --> 01:51:47.079
us has worth and dignity created in
the image of God. That is what

1342
01:51:47.119 --> 01:51:51.119
we have in common. That is
what they want to take away. Their

1343
01:51:51.119 --> 01:51:58.560
most powerful weapons are isolation, deception, intimidation. They desire to know everything

1344
01:51:58.680 --> 01:52:02.600
about us, while they high everything
from us. It's time to turn that

1345
01:52:02.720 --> 01:52:09.159
around and expose what they want to
hide. Please share the information and links

1346
01:52:09.199 --> 01:52:13.800
you'll find at the Davidnightshow dot com. Thank you for listening, Thank you

1347
01:52:13.840 --> 01:52:21.760
for sharing. If you can't support
us financially, please keep us in your

1348
01:52:21.760 --> 01:52:53.800
prayers. D Davidnightshow dot com.
We have now joining us Steve molloy.

1349
01:52:53.920 --> 01:52:59.159
His site is junk science dot com
and Steve is one of the best researchers

1350
01:52:59.159 --> 01:53:03.000
out there looking the lies of climate
and the rest of this stuff and what

1351
01:53:03.079 --> 01:53:05.119
is going on with the EPA.
So I want to talk to him about

1352
01:53:05.119 --> 01:53:10.760
several things today. It is rumored
that maybe as early as today, but

1353
01:53:10.920 --> 01:53:17.159
sometime emminently, the Democrats are pushing
Biden to declare an emergency and to use

1354
01:53:17.920 --> 01:53:25.680
his now I guess the well established
precedent of an executive order to do whatever

1355
01:53:25.720 --> 01:53:29.159
he wants, and so we're talking
to talk to Steve about that. Thank

1356
01:53:29.199 --> 01:53:32.359
you for joining us, Steve hey
K, thanks for having I wanted to

1357
01:53:32.359 --> 01:53:36.399
start with something that you found that's
on junkscience dot com. I thought was

1358
01:53:36.479 --> 01:53:42.960
really good Conservative Climate Class episode number
one, and you said, you're watching

1359
01:53:43.000 --> 01:53:46.640
Fox News out Numbered and before we
talk about this, and you said,

1360
01:53:46.800 --> 01:53:53.640
look at this clip, and what
is wrong here that is happening on Fox

1361
01:53:53.720 --> 01:53:59.399
News that you did an episode about
the climate radicals from the UK going from

1362
01:53:59.399 --> 01:54:04.079
town to town and letting the air
out of SUVs, laying the air of

1363
01:54:04.119 --> 01:54:10.239
the tires of the SUVs and putting, you know, a flyer on the

1364
01:54:10.239 --> 01:54:14.600
windshield lecturing them about climate damage.
But I'm going to play this clip and

1365
01:54:14.640 --> 01:54:18.520
then let you comment about what happened
on Fox News. So here's here's a

1366
01:54:18.560 --> 01:54:25.560
clip that Steve mLOY found on the
Outnumbered show on Fox News. The eco

1367
01:54:25.560 --> 01:54:30.239
warriors, known as the Tire Extinguishers
are moving across the US. In June,

1368
01:54:30.319 --> 01:54:33.920
they targeted dozens of SUVs in New
York City, sneakily letting the air

1369
01:54:34.000 --> 01:54:38.960
out of tires, and their deflating
tour is picking up speed. They're hitting

1370
01:54:39.000 --> 01:54:43.680
other cities like San Francisco, Chicago, even Scranton, Pennsylvania. And the

1371
01:54:43.720 --> 01:54:47.079
tire Extinguishers also leave behind pamphlets on
the windshields of the cars that they vandalized,

1372
01:54:47.119 --> 01:54:51.640
reading, in part, attention your
gas guzzler kills. We have deflated

1373
01:54:51.680 --> 01:54:55.800
one or more of your tires.
You'll be angry, but don't take it

1374
01:54:55.840 --> 01:54:59.680
personally. It's not you, it's
your car. This is a machine that

1375
01:54:59.760 --> 01:55:04.720
just ray's life with terrifying efficiency.
So I appreciate everyone's concern about people getting

1376
01:55:04.760 --> 01:55:10.960
to places in an emergency, but
I don't want to distract from the actual

1377
01:55:11.000 --> 01:55:14.359
point that they're trying to make.
Here, is that peaceful protesting is that

1378
01:55:14.680 --> 01:55:17.479
this would probably not fall under civil
disobedience is my understanding, But I'm not

1379
01:55:17.520 --> 01:55:21.119
a scholar exactly on where the line
is. But I do want to point

1380
01:55:21.159 --> 01:55:27.039
out that there has been protesting.
There has been a tremendous amount of effort

1381
01:55:27.079 --> 01:55:30.920
from youth, primarily worldwide, who
have called attention to the climate crisis,

1382
01:55:30.920 --> 01:55:33.720
which often gets denied sadly on this
network. And to your point about the

1383
01:55:33.760 --> 01:55:38.399
can and the leather and that you're
the faster runner, I'm sure that's fact.

1384
01:55:39.359 --> 01:55:43.319
But the idea that we have a
different relationship with forark today. Thank

1385
01:55:43.359 --> 01:55:46.079
you not to say that I'm not
wearing leather on my shoes, but I

1386
01:55:46.199 --> 01:55:49.880
just want to bot it. It's
my property and you don't get to damage

1387
01:55:49.880 --> 01:55:54.279
it, and nor would I damage
your property ever in disagreement. I think

1388
01:55:54.319 --> 01:55:58.560
it's really important that we make sure
that we keep this specific conversation on the

1389
01:55:58.680 --> 01:56:05.199
climate crisis that we're okay, all
right. So Steve malloy found that and

1390
01:56:05.199 --> 01:56:08.079
he put that out and he said, see if you can guess what the

1391
01:56:08.079 --> 01:56:11.520
problem is. What is the problem
there, Steve tell her audience, Well,

1392
01:56:11.560 --> 01:56:15.520
the problem is is that you know, these four very conservative people on

1393
01:56:15.640 --> 01:56:20.720
Fox News point out rightly how wrong
it is what you know these climate terrorists

1394
01:56:20.960 --> 01:56:26.439
have been doing in England and have
now brought to America, and it's all

1395
01:56:26.479 --> 01:56:30.840
indefensible. But then, of course, you know, the leftist panel member

1396
01:56:30.880 --> 01:56:33.920
that they have on the show just
starts talking climate crisis, climate crisis,

1397
01:56:33.960 --> 01:56:40.000
and she keeps saying climate crisis,
and how then she justifies what you know,

1398
01:56:40.079 --> 01:56:45.359
these climate terrorists are doing by saying
climate crisis, and so she tried

1399
01:56:45.399 --> 01:56:49.319
to outflank them that way. And
what was disturbing to me is that none

1400
01:56:49.359 --> 01:56:58.199
of the four conservative panelists on that
show you went after her for claiming climate

1401
01:56:58.239 --> 01:57:01.960
crisis. They should. There's no
climateis what's the climate crisis? Describe it.

1402
01:57:01.960 --> 01:57:05.239
It's summertime, it's hot in some
places, like it always is,

1403
01:57:06.479 --> 01:57:11.760
and so it just struck me.
You know, climate is a lot like

1404
01:57:12.239 --> 01:57:16.159
the Solen twenty twenty election. Conservatives, I'm not really allowed to challenge the

1405
01:57:16.199 --> 01:57:20.439
basic you know, you're not allowed
to challenge the notion that Biden won,

1406
01:57:21.199 --> 01:57:26.720
and you're not allowed to challenge the
notion that, you know, greenhouse gas

1407
01:57:26.760 --> 01:57:30.680
emissions are destroying the planet. And
I just you know, it's either it's

1408
01:57:30.760 --> 01:57:34.359
either out of ignorance or they've been
intimidated or told not to talk about it.

1409
01:57:34.640 --> 01:57:39.840
But I just find it very disturbing
that and I'm watching the news today

1410
01:57:40.159 --> 01:57:43.319
and it's the same. You know, we have these heat waves going on

1411
01:57:43.399 --> 01:57:46.479
in Europe and in America, and
of course, yeah it's hot there,

1412
01:57:46.479 --> 01:57:51.880
it's hot here, but it's cool
everywhere else on the planet. Today's global

1413
01:57:51.920 --> 01:57:59.640
warming is about zero point three six
fahrenheit warmer than the nineteen seventy nine two

1414
01:57:59.680 --> 01:58:01.399
thousand an average. I mean,
it's not even really measurable. Yeah,

1415
01:58:01.479 --> 01:58:04.680
it's hot in some places, but
it's cool in others. Yeah, I

1416
01:58:04.680 --> 01:58:09.720
want to get at I want to
get You've got some great articles about Lake

1417
01:58:09.840 --> 01:58:13.119
Mead and about the Great Salt Lake
and all the different narratives that are being

1418
01:58:13.119 --> 01:58:14.880
put out there. I don't want
to get into that. But you know,

1419
01:58:15.079 --> 01:58:17.399
before we get away from this thing
here, it's just amazing to me,

1420
01:58:17.439 --> 01:58:21.000
as you point out, they're not
getting at the fundamental issue. They're

1421
01:58:21.000 --> 01:58:27.319
looking at the sizzle and not at
the stake because they're focused on things that

1422
01:58:27.359 --> 01:58:30.520
are going to draw people in.
They're focused on things that are going to

1423
01:58:30.239 --> 01:58:33.800
be sensational for the viewers. And
they're also, as you point it out,

1424
01:58:34.199 --> 01:58:39.239
the fundamental thing is not allowed to
be challenged, just as we've seen

1425
01:58:39.319 --> 01:58:44.680
for the last two years. You
can't challenge the fundamental statements about the vaccine

1426
01:58:44.880 --> 01:58:47.840
or what You can't challenge the mask
or them or the mandates. You can't

1427
01:58:47.920 --> 01:58:53.039
challenge these, that's all off limits. So you can kind of, you

1428
01:58:53.079 --> 01:58:55.159
know, move around this and say
things like, well, you know,

1429
01:58:55.199 --> 01:58:57.880
you can't talk about whether the vaccine
words or whether it's safe, but you

1430
01:58:57.920 --> 01:59:00.640
can say, but if I've had
it, I shouldn't be mandated to take

1431
01:59:00.680 --> 01:59:05.720
it. Should naturalmunity. That's a
side issue. These guys are focused on

1432
01:59:05.960 --> 01:59:12.039
whether or not this is as she
falsely and that person was Gina Arnold.

1433
01:59:12.119 --> 01:59:16.720
I'd never seen her before. What
an annoying speaker she is, not just

1434
01:59:16.760 --> 01:59:19.560
what she says, but the way
she says that the vocal fry. Wow,

1435
01:59:19.760 --> 01:59:24.520
yeah, that's you know, but
you know she is she's the one

1436
01:59:24.560 --> 01:59:27.880
who's staying though, as annoying as
she is, she is the one who

1437
01:59:27.880 --> 01:59:32.359
stays focused on the issue. Yeah, you know, she's she knows that

1438
01:59:32.960 --> 01:59:38.880
what the tire extinguishers are doing is
wrong. She knows that, but she's

1439
01:59:38.960 --> 01:59:41.800
you know, none of less going
to outflank them. She knows that.

1440
01:59:42.279 --> 01:59:48.199
You know, on that panel either
has to is allowed to or has to

1441
01:59:48.279 --> 01:59:54.279
cut to challenge the basic notion that
climate is a hoax. It's a hoax.

1442
01:59:54.319 --> 01:59:57.279
It's not a crisis. You know
that. On that show David Webb,

1443
01:59:57.319 --> 02:00:00.479
who I love, who's a very
conservative guy who knows it climate is

1444
02:00:00.560 --> 02:00:04.800
nonsense. You know, he starts
to sort of talk about ev waste and

1445
02:00:04.840 --> 02:00:10.520
you know, solar panel waste or
something. He's not talking about climate though.

1446
02:00:10.560 --> 02:00:15.239
The climate hysteria is a hoax.
And if the you know, they

1447
02:00:15.239 --> 02:00:17.359
should know that, like you know, they know lots of other politics,

1448
02:00:17.399 --> 02:00:20.760
really well, they should know that. If they don't, shame on them

1449
02:00:20.800 --> 02:00:25.359
for talking about this but not knowing
anything about the issue. That's right.

1450
02:00:25.439 --> 02:00:28.319
Yeah, And they challenge her.
She kind of throws it out as I

1451
02:00:28.359 --> 02:00:30.039
guess maybe a red herring. You
know, well, I think this is

1452
02:00:30.119 --> 02:00:35.039
covered under civil disobedience. It's like, you're not civilly disobedient disobeying the government,

1453
02:00:35.079 --> 02:00:38.920
you're attacking somebody's property. And he
made that point, but they get

1454
02:00:39.279 --> 02:00:42.199
that's a side issue. The issue, as you point out, is the

1455
02:00:42.239 --> 02:00:46.640
climate issue. You've got a great
article also at a junct science dot com.

1456
02:00:47.520 --> 02:00:54.720
What is going to happen now after
this Supreme Court decision that says the

1457
02:00:54.760 --> 02:00:59.760
EPA has usurped authority that it doesn't
have. Your title is Scotus is crippled

1458
02:00:59.760 --> 02:01:03.359
by But there's only one way to
stop them for good. What is that

1459
02:01:03.399 --> 02:01:09.840
way? By Steve Well? You
know, so Supreme Court said that basically

1460
02:01:09.960 --> 02:01:15.359
Biden administration cannot regulate climate unless Congress
allows them to, and in doing that,

1461
02:01:15.439 --> 02:01:21.079
Congress destroyed the Obama Clean Power Plan, which was regulating coal plants,

1462
02:01:21.119 --> 02:01:26.680
issued in twenty fifteen, which helped
cause the destruction of the US coal industry,

1463
02:01:26.800 --> 02:01:30.720
killed fifty thousand coal high paying coal
miner jobs, devastated communities, et

1464
02:01:30.800 --> 02:01:35.199
cetera. So now you know where
do those people go back go to recoup

1465
02:01:35.239 --> 02:01:42.199
their losses, you know, from
this illegal government action. But so despite

1466
02:01:42.239 --> 02:01:45.520
that, you know, Biden is
set today to you know, announce that

1467
02:01:45.600 --> 02:01:48.600
he doesn't care what the Supreme Court
says, he doesn't care what Congress says.

1468
02:01:48.640 --> 02:01:54.399
He's going to go often do climate
by himself. And you know,

1469
02:01:55.600 --> 02:02:00.439
I mean, this is crazy.
We have a totally rogue regime in place,

1470
02:02:00.880 --> 02:02:04.760
That's right, Yeah, you're right. Well, actually, you quote

1471
02:02:04.760 --> 02:02:08.880
the sixty three majority of the said
Congress did not grant EPA the authority to

1472
02:02:08.920 --> 02:02:15.279
devise emissions caps based on the generation
shifting approach that the agency took to the

1473
02:02:15.319 --> 02:02:20.479
Clean Power Plan. But as you
also point out, the Biden EPA doesn't

1474
02:02:20.520 --> 02:02:24.319
really care. They'll just find another
way to shut these things down. You

1475
02:02:24.319 --> 02:02:27.720
know, when you talk about what
happened with coal, and we look at

1476
02:02:27.760 --> 02:02:32.640
how this energy shock, the fuel
shock is just going throughout our entire economy,

1477
02:02:33.279 --> 02:02:36.159
oil, gas, all the rest
of these things, but also coal.

1478
02:02:36.600 --> 02:02:41.399
I reminded Steve of back in nineteen
seventy nine when we had the opeic

1479
02:02:42.199 --> 02:02:45.079
shock to our energy systems. They
were saying, well, we're going to

1480
02:02:45.119 --> 02:02:46.680
be out of oil and natural gas
by the mid nineteen eighties. That was

1481
02:02:46.720 --> 02:02:49.840
Time and Newsweek. I've shown that
cover many times on my show. But

1482
02:02:49.920 --> 02:02:54.039
then inside of it they said,
but we've got six hundred and sixty six

1483
02:02:54.119 --> 02:02:58.840
years of coal, and so six
sixty six right, so we got to

1484
02:02:58.840 --> 02:03:00.359
get rid of the coal. That
was They didn't say that, but that's

1485
02:03:00.359 --> 02:03:03.560
what they focused on first. Because
we had so much coal, they had

1486
02:03:03.560 --> 02:03:09.079
to do that. This is a
deliberate program of shutting down our lives.

1487
02:03:09.079 --> 02:03:12.760
I think I've said many times it's
not about the emissions. It's about the

1488
02:03:12.800 --> 02:03:15.039
omissions they want to omit. All
of this step from our life, don't

1489
02:03:15.039 --> 02:03:17.880
they. Yeah, And you know
it's not at least you know, with

1490
02:03:18.000 --> 02:03:23.000
Jimmy Carter. You know, Jimmy
Carter was just incompetent. But I mean

1491
02:03:23.039 --> 02:03:26.119
he did do one thing, you
know, in response to the nineteen seventies

1492
02:03:26.279 --> 02:03:32.640
or crisis, Congress and that pass
and Jimmy Carter signed a law that you

1493
02:03:32.680 --> 02:03:40.479
know, shifted emphasis towards coal for
producing electricity and away from oil and gas,

1494
02:03:40.560 --> 02:03:44.199
which was very expensive at the time. And that lasted until the Obama

1495
02:03:44.199 --> 02:03:48.159
administration, which completely obliterated. Now
here we have another energy crisis, and

1496
02:03:48.199 --> 02:03:53.479
we still have all this coal,
and we have even more oil and gas.

1497
02:03:53.880 --> 02:03:59.239
And is Joe Biden tapping any of
it to lower energy prices to control

1498
02:03:59.279 --> 02:04:02.520
inflation. No, He's doing everything
he can to make it worse. He

1499
02:04:02.600 --> 02:04:08.159
you know, his if he declares
a climate emergency or whatever executive action he's

1500
02:04:08.159 --> 02:04:12.920
going to try to do, he's
just going to make gas prices go higher.

1501
02:04:12.960 --> 02:04:15.960
He's going to make electricity prices go
higher. He is non incentivized at

1502
02:04:16.000 --> 02:04:18.680
all, you know, his the
most important thing for him is his climate

1503
02:04:18.680 --> 02:04:21.560
agenda. The rest of us be
damned. Oh yeah, Oh, it's

1504
02:04:21.560 --> 02:04:26.760
a deliberate deconstruction of our society.
I compare him to Nero all the time

1505
02:04:28.600 --> 02:04:31.880
setting fires to burn down our society
and then pointing to other people, I

1506
02:04:31.920 --> 02:04:34.479
didn't do it, he did it. You know, he's an arsonist.

1507
02:04:34.680 --> 02:04:39.840
He's an arsonist to our society.
But you you say, there's another case

1508
02:04:39.880 --> 02:04:43.439
that is coming up before the Supreme
Court that is very important. Tell people

1509
02:04:43.439 --> 02:04:46.920
about that, right, Okay,
So you know, like Obama did,

1510
02:04:46.960 --> 02:04:51.840
Obama was stopped legislatively on climate and
so what he did then was shift to

1511
02:04:51.880 --> 02:04:58.960
the EPA where he launched his war
on coal and he issued the Clean Power

1512
02:04:59.000 --> 02:05:04.159
Plan and other regulations which were just
devastating to the coal industry, unnecessarily devastating,

1513
02:05:04.800 --> 02:05:12.399
produced nothing. So now Joe Biden
has been stopped legislatively in Congress also,

1514
02:05:12.560 --> 02:05:16.079
so he's going back to the EPA. Now what he's going to do

1515
02:05:16.319 --> 02:05:23.479
is he's going to try to control
coal plant emissions through this back door of

1516
02:05:23.600 --> 02:05:29.760
air quality. And to do that, he's got to have the scientific sort

1517
02:05:29.760 --> 02:05:34.880
of peer review done by a led
a congressionally mandated review panels called the Clean

1518
02:05:34.920 --> 02:05:42.479
Air Scientific Advisory Committee. Now,
when Biden came into office, he fired

1519
02:05:42.680 --> 02:05:47.319
the existing Clean Air Scientific Advisory Committee
and then reconstituted it. And the people

1520
02:05:47.359 --> 02:05:55.079
he reconstituted with are EPA cronies,
people who have received tens of millions of

1521
02:05:55.159 --> 02:05:59.840
dollars in EPA grants. Now,
the law requires that these people be independent

1522
02:06:00.039 --> 02:06:02.520
and the panel be you know,
independent and balanced, But of course it's

1523
02:06:02.560 --> 02:06:08.960
not because it's it's just Scott.
It's nothing but these EPA cronies. So

1524
02:06:09.880 --> 02:06:13.359
there is a there's a lawsuit right
now about this. It's called Young v.

1525
02:06:13.520 --> 02:06:17.600
E Pa. It was argued in
court in federal court in d C

1526
02:06:18.279 --> 02:06:21.600
last December. We are waiting for
a decision at any moment now. Now,

1527
02:06:21.640 --> 02:06:26.880
if that decision comes down, it's
going to completely stop the Biden e

1528
02:06:27.000 --> 02:06:30.159
PA from this. I'm trying to
regulate climber through the back door of air

1529
02:06:30.239 --> 02:06:33.119
quality. But we're just going to
have to see what happens. Now.

1530
02:06:33.159 --> 02:06:38.560
That's at a US district court for
Washington, d C. Is that a

1531
02:06:38.600 --> 02:06:43.239
left leaning court? Is that likely
that they're going to call him on that?

1532
02:06:43.319 --> 02:06:45.520
I know that you know it would
look a little bit better if it

1533
02:06:45.560 --> 02:06:47.760
was going to go to the Supreme
Court. Is that a court that you

1534
02:06:47.800 --> 02:06:51.359
think is going to lean lest However, and support Biden. Well, it's

1535
02:06:51.520 --> 02:06:56.520
it's hard to tell. The judge
we have was appointed by Donald Trump,

1536
02:06:58.159 --> 02:07:03.439
so that that could be good.
We're just I have you know, federal

1537
02:07:03.439 --> 02:07:10.920
court decisions, regardless of who points
at judge, are often hard to predict.

1538
02:07:11.000 --> 02:07:14.319
So we're just gonna have to see. I think I think the cases

1539
02:07:14.479 --> 02:07:17.680
open and shut. I mean,
it's clear that e PA has illegally stacked

1540
02:07:17.720 --> 02:07:24.880
these panels. The plaintiff is good, he has standing. The judge,

1541
02:07:26.039 --> 02:07:30.800
although he turned down the planks request
for a temporary restraining order against e p

1542
02:07:30.880 --> 02:07:34.840
A at the time, which was
February, he told e p A that

1543
02:07:34.960 --> 02:07:38.159
you know, E p A,
if you continue down this road, you

1544
02:07:38.239 --> 02:07:42.359
run the risk of having are all
over. So that's kind of a good

1545
02:07:42.399 --> 02:07:44.680
sign. But we'll see. Yeah. Yeah, Well, you know,

1546
02:07:44.720 --> 02:07:47.399
as I've said many times, when
we put these things send it to a

1547
02:07:47.439 --> 02:07:49.960
court, it's kind of like a
box of chocolates. You never know what

1548
02:07:50.000 --> 02:07:54.920
you're going to get, right Supreme
Court, you know, just when you

1549
02:07:54.960 --> 02:07:58.359
think you got these guys figured out, they go off in a completely different

1550
02:07:58.359 --> 02:08:01.159
direction. But you know, so
it's now, I guess this this climate

1551
02:08:01.199 --> 02:08:07.039
emergency, and we can talk about
how it is not an emergency in a

1552
02:08:07.039 --> 02:08:11.880
minute, but let's talk about what
the Democrats are trying to get Biden to

1553
02:08:11.920 --> 02:08:15.600
do. As they're screaming emergency,
emergency, what is it that they're hoping

1554
02:08:15.640 --> 02:08:22.000
he's going to do by executive fiat. Well, I don't even think they

1555
02:08:22.079 --> 02:08:26.560
know. And that's why, well, that's why today you know, he's

1556
02:08:26.600 --> 02:08:31.600
going to be speaking in Massachusetts about
climate and they were hoping he would announce

1557
02:08:31.600 --> 02:08:33.960
an emergency but it doesn't look like
he's going to because he doesn't really know

1558
02:08:35.079 --> 02:08:39.439
what he can do. You know, he can, as we mentioned earlier,

1559
02:08:39.640 --> 02:08:41.760
you know, he can try to
regulate climate through the back door at

1560
02:08:41.800 --> 02:08:48.520
e PA. You know, he
could he could possibly, you know,

1561
02:08:48.600 --> 02:08:56.239
do something to halt oil drilling gas
drilling on federal lands offshore, on shore,

1562
02:08:56.079 --> 02:08:58.760
But does he really want to do
that during an oil crisis? I

1563
02:09:00.039 --> 02:09:03.039
would be pretty you know, Biden
says I'm doing everything I can to reduce

1564
02:09:03.079 --> 02:09:05.880
gas prices, and it's not really
true. But I mean, that would

1565
02:09:05.920 --> 02:09:13.000
be really openly hostile to stop oil
drilling. I don't know, you know,

1566
02:09:13.560 --> 02:09:15.720
I don't know if you want to
talk about this later, but you

1567
02:09:15.760 --> 02:09:18.840
know, the New York Times just
released the poll, which I had to

1568
02:09:18.880 --> 02:09:22.319
dig on their website to find it, and I only accidentally came across this.

1569
02:09:22.399 --> 02:09:30.640
They did a poll with Siena College
and reported that among voters only one

1570
02:09:30.840 --> 02:09:37.600
percent, only one percent prioritize climate
And if you look at the cross tabulations

1571
02:09:37.720 --> 02:09:41.159
in the age group forty five to
sixty four, it was zero percent,

1572
02:09:41.640 --> 02:09:45.800
and among Latinos it was zero percent, and of course among Republicans it was

1573
02:09:45.880 --> 02:09:50.600
zero percent, whereas you know,
it's like thirty five percent prioritize the economy

1574
02:09:50.680 --> 02:09:56.199
and inflation. Yeah. Absolutely,
I've talked about this and the fact that

1575
02:09:56.560 --> 02:10:01.640
you know, it's the economy stupid
the longest time we've not you know,

1576
02:10:01.720 --> 02:10:03.319
this is the old axiom that goes
back to the Clinton administration when he was

1577
02:10:03.359 --> 02:10:07.720
running for reelection. He had the
Monica Lewinsky scandals and all the rest of

1578
02:10:07.760 --> 02:10:11.399
this stuff and being investigated, impeached, you know, and what was happening

1579
02:10:13.279 --> 02:10:16.279
in Europe. But none of that
stuff mattered. It was the economy.

1580
02:10:16.359 --> 02:10:22.000
But you know, Biden's got exactly
the opposite problem, and everybody is upset

1581
02:10:22.000 --> 02:10:26.000
about the economy. I mean,
it is virtually they broke that down.

1582
02:10:26.039 --> 02:10:28.840
If it's the same pole that I
saw they broke down the economy in about

1583
02:10:28.840 --> 02:10:33.039
four or five different categories, and
you total up all the co and those

1584
02:10:33.359 --> 02:10:37.399
are the top ones. And if
you toted up all those different facets of

1585
02:10:37.439 --> 02:10:41.720
the economy that people are worried about, that's pretty much everything that everybody is

1586
02:10:41.760 --> 02:10:45.039
concerned about right now. But he's
going to focus on the zero to one

1587
02:10:45.039 --> 02:10:50.159
percent concern that is out there,
so hopefully that will not work out right

1588
02:10:50.199 --> 02:10:52.520
now. Well, yeah, you
know, I think at one percent that

1589
02:10:52.680 --> 02:10:56.039
is you know, prioritizees climate.
I think they all work in the media

1590
02:10:56.079 --> 02:11:01.000
and the White House. That's right. People live in a bubble that is

1591
02:11:01.079 --> 02:11:05.039
unimaginable. Well, you know when
they're talking about this though, as you

1592
02:11:05.079 --> 02:11:07.359
point out, they don't even know
what he's going to be able to do,

1593
02:11:07.399 --> 02:11:11.760
but they want him to declare an
emergency because this is now the way

1594
02:11:11.800 --> 02:11:15.000
that we're all governed, you know. And I've talked about this for the

1595
02:11:15.039 --> 02:11:16.640
longest time. I got a clip
from the Russians are coming. The Russians

1596
02:11:16.640 --> 02:11:22.680
are coming. Everybody get from the
emergency, right, and so this is

1597
02:11:22.680 --> 02:11:26.600
the type of thing. They just
declare an emergency. Then that supposedly gives

1598
02:11:26.640 --> 02:11:31.359
them the ability to just you know, act as a dictator. And so

1599
02:11:31.439 --> 02:11:33.479
that's really what they're saying, We
want you to become a climate dictator.

1600
02:11:33.560 --> 02:11:35.920
You know, Steve, I've talked
about this many times. I call it

1601
02:11:37.000 --> 02:11:41.319
the climate mcguffin, just like we
had a COVID mcguffin. Hitchcock talked about

1602
02:11:41.319 --> 02:11:46.279
how the mcguffin was this imaginary thing
that motivated all the characters. Didn't really

1603
02:11:46.279 --> 02:11:48.840
matter what it was, as long
as people didn't ask too many questions about

1604
02:11:48.880 --> 02:11:52.119
it, you know, it just
had to motivate the characters. And we've

1605
02:11:52.159 --> 02:11:54.479
seen this. You and I have
been watching this climate stuff for a long

1606
02:11:54.520 --> 02:11:58.640
time, and so we've seen how
it's going to be global cooling, that

1607
02:11:58.760 --> 02:12:01.000
it was going to be global warming, and then it's going to be just

1608
02:12:01.039 --> 02:12:05.640
climate change. But it was always
the same thing that had to be done.

1609
02:12:05.720 --> 02:12:07.840
And then when COVID happened, lo
and behold, it's the same thing

1610
02:12:07.920 --> 02:12:13.000
again. And now back to the
to the COVID mcguffin. But they just

1611
02:12:13.039 --> 02:12:18.119
they want the emergency power because they
have a set of agenda things that they

1612
02:12:18.119 --> 02:12:22.119
want to do, and that one
of them is to basically destroy our economy,

1613
02:12:22.199 --> 02:12:24.399
take away our energy and make us
poor and depending on them. That's

1614
02:12:24.520 --> 02:12:30.680
the funny their agenda. And I
don't really understand where where this comes from,

1615
02:12:30.760 --> 02:12:35.640
but there is a large percentage of
the population that has banded together in

1616
02:12:35.680 --> 02:12:39.880
a political force that just wants to
be able to do what they want to

1617
02:12:39.960 --> 02:12:43.880
do to anybody at any time.
Yeah, and you know, the rule

1618
02:12:43.920 --> 02:12:46.600
of law be damned. Yeah,
that's right. And they don't realize how

1619
02:12:46.600 --> 02:12:50.600
that's going to bounce back on them. That's on pointed time. You know

1620
02:12:50.640 --> 02:12:54.680
the problem with your having your guy
be the dictator is your guy may not

1621
02:12:54.720 --> 02:12:58.079
always be the dictator. You set
up a dictatorship that's going to come back

1622
02:12:58.119 --> 02:13:03.920
and bite you pretty badly. Our
old friend Ed Markey and for years and

1623
02:13:05.000 --> 02:13:07.960
years ago, it's been almost ten
years, the EPA fraud that was being

1624
02:13:07.960 --> 02:13:11.640
done in research Triangle Park, and
of course Ed Markey was just a congressman

1625
02:13:11.680 --> 02:13:18.279
at the time. He's working with
Obama's EPA director Lisa Jackson, and they

1626
02:13:18.279 --> 02:13:22.479
were telling everybody that it wasn't just
about people getting sick, but more people

1627
02:13:22.479 --> 02:13:24.880
were dying of fine particular matter than
we're dying of cancer. This is the

1628
02:13:26.000 --> 02:13:28.199
end They had scripted this back and
forth, so Now Marky is a senator,

1629
02:13:28.239 --> 02:13:31.319
he's been rewarded for all that,
and he wants to Biden to ban

1630
02:13:31.760 --> 02:13:35.640
further drilling on public lands as part
of this climate emergency. I mean,

1631
02:13:35.640 --> 02:13:41.479
they want to shut down all energies, don't they. Yeah, no,

1632
02:13:41.680 --> 02:13:46.279
it's it's really incredible. You know, we are seeing in Europe, you

1633
02:13:46.319 --> 02:13:52.000
know, this whole global energy crisis, the war in Ukraine itself. Europe

1634
02:13:52.079 --> 02:13:56.640
is going to have to ration energy
this winter, and it's all because of

1635
02:13:56.840 --> 02:14:03.520
you know, green policies, what
I call climate idiocy. You know,

1636
02:14:03.680 --> 02:14:09.079
the only you can't have a growing
economy and a rising stamlimity a living when

1637
02:14:09.079 --> 02:14:13.039
you try to constrain energy. But
that is what these people are trying to

1638
02:14:13.119 --> 02:14:18.640
do. You know, Germany has
paid Germans pay the highest electricity prices in

1639
02:14:18.680 --> 02:14:24.680
the world. They have all these
windmills, all these solar panels, but

1640
02:14:24.920 --> 02:14:28.960
in reality there's still a heat wave
over their emissions are going up. They've

1641
02:14:28.960 --> 02:14:33.880
accomplished nothing. Now they have to
ration energy. This whole green thing has

1642
02:14:33.920 --> 02:14:37.439
been a disaster. But the leftist
just you know, they they can't give

1643
02:14:37.439 --> 02:14:41.800
it up. And you know,
we have the same disease in America.

1644
02:14:41.840 --> 02:14:46.199
It's called the Democrat Party, and
of course there are a lot of Republicans

1645
02:14:46.199 --> 02:14:50.479
that fall for this nonsense too,
and it's it's really disturbing, and I'm

1646
02:14:50.479 --> 02:14:52.880
not quite sure what we're gonna,
you know, do about it, because

1647
02:14:54.239 --> 02:14:56.600
it is quite a disease. Well, and the amazing thing is that this

1648
02:14:56.920 --> 02:15:01.880
disease I call it cancer has really
at as size to all of our vital

1649
02:15:01.000 --> 02:15:05.279
organs. Right. It is not
just the energy that is vital for these

1650
02:15:05.359 --> 02:15:09.800
long supply chains that we have just
in time delivery and everything, or the

1651
02:15:09.880 --> 02:15:16.479
manufacture or you know, using it
for you know, agricultural purposes and that

1652
02:15:16.560 --> 02:15:20.439
type of thing. But now it
is metastasized and this whole energy war has

1653
02:15:20.479 --> 02:15:26.159
become a part of this Ukraine war. And so I've got a headline here

1654
02:15:26.199 --> 02:15:31.079
from artist Steve that says a heat
wave kills hundreds in Spain and Portugal.

1655
02:15:31.119 --> 02:15:35.520
Well, you know, the Russians
are pushing this out because they've got Europe

1656
02:15:35.680 --> 02:15:39.239
in a tight spot as they are
going to be withholding the gas from them,

1657
02:15:39.520 --> 02:15:45.399
and so this is just putting more
and more pressure on their enemies,

1658
02:15:46.159 --> 02:15:48.199
you know about energy and that type
of thing. And so we see how

1659
02:15:48.199 --> 02:15:52.399
this is being played out but it
is in so many different areas are coming

1660
02:15:52.439 --> 02:15:56.640
after our food, our transportation,
everything in our economy, and it all

1661
02:15:56.680 --> 02:16:00.760
comes back to the climate change.
And they're using that to attack car energy

1662
02:16:00.800 --> 02:16:03.399
production in our food. And you
raised a very good point. You know,

1663
02:16:03.560 --> 02:16:11.399
Putin has paid climate activists to stop
Europe from fracking so that Europe would

1664
02:16:11.439 --> 02:16:16.640
get hooked on Russian oil and gas, and Putin funds a lot of these

1665
02:16:16.720 --> 02:16:22.199
climate groups to just you know,
keep pushing the hysteria. And more than

1666
02:16:22.279 --> 02:16:26.239
Putin, you know, I mean
it's China does the same thing. Congress

1667
02:16:26.279 --> 02:16:31.760
was investigating whether communists China was paying
US environmental groups to you know wreck the

1668
02:16:31.840 --> 02:16:37.719
economy. That's an old that's sort
of Soviet concept, wrecking the economy.

1669
02:16:37.399 --> 02:16:41.440
But when Democrats took over, they
killed the investigation. But so now we

1670
02:16:41.680 --> 02:16:48.079
have, you know, this whole
ESG movement, the ESG investors environmental,

1671
02:16:48.239 --> 02:16:52.879
social and corporate governance like you know
LED like Black Rock and State Street,

1672
02:16:52.920 --> 02:16:56.319
all these huge banks, investment houses
like Gold and Sachs. You know,

1673
02:16:56.360 --> 02:17:00.760
they all profit in China, and
I think they're allowed to in China,

1674
02:17:00.840 --> 02:17:05.639
so that they pushed the climate idiocy
on the rest of us. I agree.

1675
02:17:05.680 --> 02:17:07.159
I agree. I want to get
into that ESG stuff. But let's

1676
02:17:07.200 --> 02:17:11.479
not leave the temperature things just yet, because this heat wave stuff we're seeing

1677
02:17:11.680 --> 02:17:16.079
the panic of you know, people
are dying, Hundreds are dying. They

1678
02:17:16.079 --> 02:17:18.040
said, heat wave kills hundreds in
Spain and Portugal. This is our te

1679
02:17:18.159 --> 02:17:22.280
telling everybody. You know, it
was just back in the end of March.

1680
02:17:22.319 --> 02:17:24.520
You remember, Steve, when they
were telling everybody, look that the

1681
02:17:24.559 --> 02:17:31.280
temperature just jumped forty degrees centigrade and
the Antarctic and the Arctic, you remember

1682
02:17:31.280 --> 02:17:33.200
that, And I was like,
wait a minute, how could that possibly

1683
02:17:33.239 --> 02:17:39.000
be because that's one hundred and four
degrees fahrenheit, folks. And if that

1684
02:17:39.040 --> 02:17:43.479
were to happen at both poles,
as they were telling everybody, how is

1685
02:17:43.520 --> 02:17:46.879
it that we didn't see any jump
here? You know? That was the

1686
02:17:46.879 --> 02:17:50.799
idiotic And you remember what happened with
it? What that was all based on,

1687
02:17:50.879 --> 02:17:52.360
right, it just based on their
projections. They didn't even measure anything.

1688
02:17:52.399 --> 02:17:56.319
It only lasted for two days,
right, Yeah, Look, anytime

1689
02:17:56.319 --> 02:18:00.520
there's a heat wave, people die. The good news is that less people

1690
02:18:00.559 --> 02:18:03.760
are dying from heat waves today than
used to because we have air conditioning and

1691
02:18:05.000 --> 02:18:07.600
you know, we're just smarter about
these things. Oh but they got a

1692
02:18:07.639 --> 02:18:11.520
plan for that too, though.
They get run the air conditioning so we

1693
02:18:11.559 --> 02:18:13.559
can kill more people, get rid
of the air condited. Not just the

1694
02:18:13.559 --> 02:18:16.120
food in the field, but the
air conditioning too. Yeah, I'm sorry.

1695
02:18:16.159 --> 02:18:20.239
We talked about this earlier. You
know. It's yeah, it's hot

1696
02:18:20.360 --> 02:18:24.159
in Europe, and it's hot maybe
someplace else in the Midwest, but it's

1697
02:18:24.200 --> 02:18:28.959
cold other places, and it all
averages out and the con David, remember

1698
02:18:28.000 --> 02:18:33.840
the con was originally called global warming. That's that's the con. And if

1699
02:18:33.879 --> 02:18:37.879
you look, is the globe really
warming? Well not today today, there's

1700
02:18:37.959 --> 02:18:43.120
really no global warming because the cold
is offsetting the heat of the places,

1701
02:18:43.239 --> 02:18:46.680
and so their narrative has failed.
And it's frustrating to me that, you

1702
02:18:46.719 --> 02:18:50.120
know, the fact that that narrative
is failed. You can't you can't get

1703
02:18:50.120 --> 02:18:52.719
that on TV anyplace. You can't
get that on Fox News, you can't

1704
02:18:52.719 --> 02:18:56.840
get that on Nobody wants to talk
about that. And I don't understand why.

1705
02:18:56.959 --> 02:19:01.000
That's right, that's right. Well, you know, interesting thing about

1706
02:19:01.000 --> 02:19:03.120
this whole thing. Yeah, there's
a heat wave over there, but really

1707
02:19:03.159 --> 02:19:07.280
the globe is not really warmer over
the past forty years. That's right.

1708
02:19:07.319 --> 02:19:11.840
So it's just weather. That's right. It's just weather, and there's no

1709
02:19:11.879 --> 02:19:16.040
instinction between it. And we see
that on people who are pushing back on

1710
02:19:16.120 --> 02:19:18.319
it as well. You know,
they will say the same thing when it

1711
02:19:18.360 --> 02:19:20.440
gets really cold. Weather is not
climate, and you have to have the

1712
02:19:20.479 --> 02:19:22.920
data for a very long time.
But we do have data now for a

1713
02:19:24.000 --> 02:19:28.079
very long time, and we have
shown that there is no climate change.

1714
02:19:28.200 --> 02:19:31.120
You know, there's weather variations.
And let's talk a little bit about the

1715
02:19:31.159 --> 02:19:33.799
weather as well. You've got a
couple of good articles, one of them

1716
02:19:33.799 --> 02:19:37.639
about Lake Mead and then the other
one about the Great Salt Lake. Let's

1717
02:19:37.680 --> 02:19:41.399
talk about Lake Mead first. The
article at junkscience dot com. Is Lake

1718
02:19:41.520 --> 02:19:46.879
Mead shrinking because of climate? Let's
talk about that. Tell people, is

1719
02:19:46.879 --> 02:19:50.920
it drinking? Well? Yeah,
so well lake Neat is shrinking. Is

1720
02:19:50.959 --> 02:19:54.280
it climate? Well, you know, if you look back at Lake Mead's

1721
02:19:54.399 --> 02:19:58.600
history, you know, just maybe
I think fifty years ago, the nineteen

1722
02:19:58.639 --> 02:20:01.920
sixties, it was as low then
as it is today. So is that

1723
02:20:03.000 --> 02:20:07.799
climate, No, it's something else. It's it's probably you know, it

1724
02:20:07.159 --> 02:20:09.879
may not be raining, but that
once again is weather. You know,

1725
02:20:11.000 --> 02:20:13.920
drought, is a natural condition out
there. It is the desert, but

1726
02:20:13.920 --> 02:20:16.239
there's also water usage. You know, we have ramped up water usags.

1727
02:20:16.319 --> 02:20:20.520
The point is is that this has
happened before. It could not have been

1728
02:20:20.559 --> 02:20:24.879
climate because there was a lot less
carbon dioxide in the atmosphere. So it's

1729
02:20:24.920 --> 02:20:31.600
not that it's just you know,
these things happen. It's probably mismanagement.

1730
02:20:31.760 --> 02:20:35.520
It's got nothing to do with you
know, CO two emissions, and the

1731
02:20:35.559 --> 02:20:39.040
same thing is happening at the Great
Salt Lake. I mean, if you

1732
02:20:39.079 --> 02:20:41.159
look back in the history, Gray
Salt Lake goes up, you know,

1733
02:20:41.159 --> 02:20:46.040
its level goes up and down,
and it has nothing to do with carbon

1734
02:20:46.079 --> 02:20:48.520
dioxide. But of course in the
media, you know, they only look

1735
02:20:48.559 --> 02:20:52.479
at what's going on today, and
so you know, if there's something bad

1736
02:20:52.559 --> 02:20:58.319
happening today, regardless of what has
ever happened in the past, it's happening

1737
02:20:58.360 --> 02:21:01.600
bad today. It's got to be
climb to change. And it's just i

1738
02:21:01.639 --> 02:21:05.200
mean, almost everything is blamed on
climate change. Oh yeah, yeah.

1739
02:21:05.200 --> 02:21:07.319
As a matter of fact, you
actually go back and you go to the

1740
02:21:07.399 --> 02:21:11.000
data, you know, for several
decades, and you show the charts in

1741
02:21:11.040 --> 02:21:15.479
your article. It had low points
in nineteen fifty six and nineteen sixty five,

1742
02:21:16.120 --> 02:21:18.319
and it still hasn't gotten back that. Even though it's very low now,

1743
02:21:18.319 --> 02:21:20.840
it hasn't gotten back to those points. And then we talked about the

1744
02:21:20.840 --> 02:21:26.079
Great Salt Lake. You point out
this is coming from the New York Times

1745
02:21:26.200 --> 02:21:28.520
by as you call him. I
think it's true, imbecile economist, Paul

1746
02:21:28.600 --> 02:21:33.120
Krugman. This is an economist,
right, maybe maybe he would go back

1747
02:21:33.120 --> 02:21:37.040
and look at the data to know
what he's talking about. Is this something?

1748
02:21:37.120 --> 02:21:39.120
Oh look, it's low. It
must be I can use this for

1749
02:21:39.280 --> 02:21:43.600
my narrative. And that's exactly what
they met. And you know what's incredible,

1750
02:21:43.719 --> 02:21:46.799
David, is that none of this
is rocket science. I mean I

1751
02:21:46.799 --> 02:21:50.799
don't spend half my day looking for
this data. I just do a Google

1752
02:21:50.840 --> 02:21:54.879
search and in seconds, in seconds, I come up with this. They

1753
02:21:54.879 --> 02:21:58.600
could do the same thing, but
of course they don't want to, that's

1754
02:21:58.680 --> 02:22:00.799
right. No, No, they
don't want to, and they want to

1755
02:22:01.079 --> 02:22:05.680
they want to hide the actual data. And of course I think you were

1756
02:22:05.719 --> 02:22:09.159
involved in that, just like I
was trying to get that information about Michael

1757
02:22:09.200 --> 02:22:13.840
Mann, who came up with a
hockey stick thing that was used by Al

1758
02:22:13.879 --> 02:22:18.360
Gore viciously fought and eventually one in
court to be able to hide the data,

1759
02:22:18.799 --> 02:22:22.239
even after we had emails between him
and other people saying, Hey,

1760
02:22:22.239 --> 02:22:28.120
our models aren't working. How do
we fix this? How do we massage

1761
02:22:28.159 --> 02:22:30.600
the data? How do we hide
the data? How do we hide the

1762
02:22:30.639 --> 02:22:33.799
decline? And we said, all
right, you've you've published your results and

1763
02:22:33.840 --> 02:22:37.520
you were paid at a public institution. This has been used to craft public

1764
02:22:37.520 --> 02:22:41.319
policy. Can we see your data? No, you can't see the data.

1765
02:22:41.760 --> 02:22:43.440
Well, I think we know,
you know, I think we know

1766
02:22:43.479 --> 02:22:46.719
what's going on with these guys.
And that's exactly what happened with all this

1767
02:22:46.799 --> 02:22:50.719
COVID mcguffin. You know, they
just keep rolling the same mo everywhere there.

1768
02:22:50.799 --> 02:22:56.040
Yeah, and once again, you
know, it's really Republicans that are

1769
02:22:56.159 --> 02:22:58.520
letting us down. I mean,
we elect these people. None of this.

1770
02:22:58.799 --> 02:23:01.799
You ran, Paul is trying to
fight back, but most of these

1771
02:23:01.840 --> 02:23:05.920
other people they're just sort of silent
and let it. You know, they

1772
02:23:05.920 --> 02:23:11.360
don't really do anything. And the
other side is really aggressive. Yeah,

1773
02:23:11.520 --> 02:23:13.920
and even if they're wrong, that's
what they become more aggressive. Look at

1774
02:23:13.959 --> 02:23:20.239
Fauci, What a sick s ob
that guy is. Why is he still

1775
02:23:20.239 --> 02:23:24.639
in the government at his age,
he's never been right about anything. He's

1776
02:23:24.639 --> 02:23:28.159
a malignant dwarf. Yeah, and
he is making our lives miserable. And

1777
02:23:28.639 --> 02:23:33.360
why is he still there? What
was Trump thinking? Yeah, I know

1778
02:23:33.440 --> 02:23:37.399
even you know, I walked the
plank. Yeah, he even had people

1779
02:23:37.479 --> 02:23:39.520
yelling Firefaucci firefaction goes well for me, we'll see what I can do.

1780
02:23:39.600 --> 02:23:43.239
Yet and he didn't do anything.
I mean after the election he did nothing.

1781
02:23:43.239 --> 02:23:46.719
He had sixty days, he did
nothing. You you talked a little

1782
02:23:46.719 --> 02:23:52.479
bit about what is happening in Texas. Now they've got telling people, you

1783
02:23:52.479 --> 02:23:58.600
know, before they do rolling brown
outs or blackouts, or telling industrial customers

1784
02:23:58.639 --> 02:24:01.000
to shut it down so they don't
have to takeaway air conditioning from voters two

1785
02:24:01.040 --> 02:24:07.159
months before the election. So I've
experienced this when I was there and they

1786
02:24:07.239 --> 02:24:13.040
had the windmills that froze, and
now the windmills are not producing in the

1787
02:24:13.079 --> 02:24:18.920
middle of it anyway, what a
surprise, isn't it. Well, Yeah,

1788
02:24:18.959 --> 02:24:22.600
and you know, even in a
red state like Texas, the Republican

1789
02:24:22.639 --> 02:24:30.360
politicians have been purchased by the wind
industry and allowed to They have destroyed the

1790
02:24:31.040 --> 02:24:35.479
electricity grid in Texas, so that
you know, you mentioned that Valentine's Day

1791
02:24:37.040 --> 02:24:41.280
twenty twenty one disaster where you know, two hundred people died because the windmills

1792
02:24:41.280 --> 02:24:48.200
froze and blackouts ensued. Yeah,
and now you know, we're having the

1793
02:24:48.200 --> 02:24:54.200
increasing likelihood of blackouts in Texas and
rationally because the wind industry has been allowed

1794
02:24:54.200 --> 02:25:00.840
to purchase politicians, right, and
it's you know, what do you do?

1795
02:25:00.840 --> 02:25:05.000
Do you attack Governor Greg Abbott and
all the other Republican governors so that

1796
02:25:05.040 --> 02:25:07.920
they get replaced by Democrats who are
could be worse. I mean, we

1797
02:25:07.040 --> 02:25:11.639
are in a real fix. Yeah, we've got to We've got to fix

1798
02:25:11.719 --> 02:25:15.760
us ourselves, that's right. Yeah. Yeah. You know, the entire

1799
02:25:15.799 --> 02:25:18.799
time I was there for about a
little over nine years, I watched them

1800
02:25:18.799 --> 02:25:22.719
decommissioning power plant after power plant,
and this is what's happening across our country.

1801
02:25:24.239 --> 02:25:28.280
And there was a tremendous amount I
forget how many billions of dollars or

1802
02:25:28.319 --> 02:25:33.680
tens of billions of dollars that the
state of Texas gave to these people who

1803
02:25:33.680 --> 02:25:35.000
were already billionaires. The same type
of thing they do, you know,

1804
02:25:35.040 --> 02:25:41.719
for putting in football stadiums or baseball
stadiums or something like that gave them a

1805
02:25:41.719 --> 02:25:46.120
tremendous amount of money to build this
infrastructure for these windmills, large windmill fields

1806
02:25:46.239 --> 02:25:52.680
there, and yet they're not able
to deliver. And so it was all

1807
02:25:52.840 --> 02:25:56.399
about graft and corruption, and they
bought these officials and they put this in

1808
02:25:56.440 --> 02:26:00.360
there. And these people, a
lot of them had been people who had

1809
02:26:00.360 --> 02:26:03.920
been in the oil and natural gas
industry because and they wanted to get in

1810
02:26:03.000 --> 02:26:09.079
on the ground floor of something that
was completely new and different and force people

1811
02:26:09.719 --> 02:26:13.280
through the government to make that change
and to get the government to subsidize it.

1812
02:26:13.280 --> 02:26:16.440
I mean, it's just corruption writ
large, right. No, And

1813
02:26:16.680 --> 02:26:20.719
none of this stuff works. We
know it doesn't work and it's not going

1814
02:26:20.799 --> 02:26:24.920
to work anytime soon. And of
course you know the dirty little secret behind

1815
02:26:24.920 --> 02:26:28.079
all this not only does it not
work and it costs more money, it

1816
02:26:28.120 --> 02:26:31.040
all comes from China. It doesn't
come from here, that's right. And

1817
02:26:31.639 --> 02:26:33.920
you know, if we were to, if it were even possible to get

1818
02:26:33.920 --> 02:26:37.760
hooked up on this stuff, we
would be at the mercy of communists China,

1819
02:26:37.840 --> 02:26:43.360
because it's the it's where wind comes, the wind, the rare air

1820
02:26:43.440 --> 02:26:46.159
earths that make the windmills work,
the solar. Same with the solar panels.

1821
02:26:46.200 --> 02:26:52.559
You know, slave labor is China, the EV batteries of all the

1822
02:26:52.760 --> 02:26:56.600
rare earths and cobalt processing happens in
China. I mean, this is just

1823
02:26:56.719 --> 02:27:00.319
a disaster. Yet we're letting it
happen. You know, the investment in

1824
02:27:00.360 --> 02:27:03.840
these windmills and the utilities. They
make money from putting this stuff up.

1825
02:27:03.879 --> 02:27:07.719
They make money now, and so
they get their bone, the you know,

1826
02:27:07.840 --> 02:27:11.799
managements, get their bonuses and everything
now and the rest of us are

1827
02:27:11.879 --> 02:27:13.680
left with, you know, the
craft that doesn't work. That's right.

1828
02:27:13.879 --> 02:27:18.319
Yeah, And this goes back just
like Earth Day in the environmental movement,

1829
02:27:18.360 --> 02:27:24.079
this goes back to you know,
the seventies and Nixon administration where they put

1830
02:27:24.600 --> 02:27:28.799
China in the catbird seat. They
made the decision that they were going to

1831
02:27:28.920 --> 02:27:31.840
let these people be the center of
the global economy. They had slave labor,

1832
02:27:33.559 --> 02:27:35.959
they had other things that they could
use, and they've really been used

1833
02:27:37.000 --> 02:27:39.799
I think Steve as a beta test
site for all this stuff you talked about.

1834
02:27:41.479 --> 02:27:43.200
You had a tweet you said,
a creepy, elitist, power crazed

1835
02:27:43.239 --> 02:27:50.559
World Economic Forum call thre call three
even higher gas prices to hasten the green

1836
02:27:50.680 --> 02:27:54.520
energy transition, and yeah, that's
absolutely true. You know, at least

1837
02:27:54.559 --> 02:27:58.159
you can see what the World Economic
Forum is putting up out there. I

1838
02:27:58.200 --> 02:27:58.639
looked at that and it's like I
clicked on. It's like, oh,

1839
02:27:58.680 --> 02:28:03.399
that's right. I can't view anything
they've got because they blocked me. I

1840
02:28:03.399 --> 02:28:05.360
didn't realize they blocked me. I
hadn't even trolled them by saying stuff like

1841
02:28:05.639 --> 02:28:09.399
we're gonna be careful, they're going
to block you. I'd never directly attacked

1842
02:28:09.440 --> 02:28:13.479
them and call them creepy, elitist, power crazed people, which they are,

1843
02:28:13.159 --> 02:28:20.360
but I never addressed them directly those
adjectives. But they preemptively blocked me.

1844
02:28:20.959 --> 02:28:24.399
It's kind of strange, but yeah, that is really where I think.

1845
02:28:24.479 --> 02:28:26.319
You know, these these politicians that
you pointed out, with this two

1846
02:28:26.319 --> 02:28:31.239
party system, they only have to
be slightly better than the other guy,

1847
02:28:31.840 --> 02:28:37.920
and then they can essentially ford this
agenda that is anti American and anti human.

1848
02:28:39.120 --> 02:28:41.520
And this is what is happening in
country after country, you know,

1849
02:28:41.559 --> 02:28:45.319
whether you're looking at New Zealand or
Canada, and it's what happened during the

1850
02:28:45.319 --> 02:28:48.399
COVID thing. But that's Sport's happening. Yeah, you mentioned something very important

1851
02:28:48.440 --> 02:28:52.120
there. This is an anti human
agenda. Yeah, you all that.

1852
02:28:52.639 --> 02:28:56.280
In the mid nineteen sixties, Paul
Arley, who wrote The Population Bomb and

1853
02:28:56.479 --> 02:29:03.360
is still a full professor at Stanford
and is a member of prestigious National Academy

1854
02:29:03.399 --> 02:29:07.840
Size Guid's never been right about anything
anyway. He said that the carrying capacity

1855
02:29:07.879 --> 02:29:13.600
of the planet is about two billion
people. Well later this year we are

1856
02:29:13.719 --> 02:29:18.360
forecast to hit eight billion people.
And I think that these people, the

1857
02:29:18.440 --> 02:29:22.600
World Economic Forum and the people that
get involved with them, and Democrats and

1858
02:29:22.760 --> 02:29:26.719
leftists, they really think that six
billion people need to step off the planet,

1859
02:29:26.760 --> 02:29:30.920
and they're doing the best they can
to get us there. Oh yeah,

1860
02:29:31.040 --> 02:29:33.920
oh absolutely. Yeah. You look
at the Georgia guidestones that somebody just

1861
02:29:33.959 --> 02:29:35.280
fortunately took out for us. I
don't know what was up about that,

1862
02:29:35.319 --> 02:29:37.559
but you know, they had even
just a half a billion, you know,

1863
02:29:37.600 --> 02:29:41.639
they were even morem Althusian than Paul
Erlick. I didn't know he was

1864
02:29:41.680 --> 02:29:48.000
still around, let alone teaching.
Is that guy? What is he like

1865
02:29:48.079 --> 02:29:50.600
ninety years old or something? Yeah, I don't hear very often. He

1866
02:29:50.719 --> 02:29:56.000
blocked me. So there you go. Yeah, we're being shut down.

1867
02:29:56.639 --> 02:30:01.239
We can no longer allowed to see
evil or to here evil because we'll speak

1868
02:30:01.239 --> 02:30:03.079
about evil. So the World Economic
Forum blocks me, he blocks you.

1869
02:30:03.159 --> 02:30:09.399
That's that's funny. Yeah. Uh, Germany is planning warm up spaces for

1870
02:30:09.520 --> 02:30:13.719
this winter. They're going to be
wishing for global warming pretty soon, aren't

1871
02:30:13.719 --> 02:30:18.920
they. I mean that. And
we're seeing and we've talked about this many

1872
02:30:18.920 --> 02:30:22.120
times in the past, how it
was already long ago because the high prices

1873
02:30:22.159 --> 02:30:28.159
in Germany as they were rolling into
this expensive pensioners and people who didn't have

1874
02:30:28.200 --> 02:30:35.879
the money, uh to cut back
on the term and and that's really going

1875
02:30:35.959 --> 02:30:39.079
to be coming up big time this
fall, isn't it. Yeah. So

1876
02:30:39.120 --> 02:30:43.360
it's really weird. You know there
Germany, which used to be a technological

1877
02:30:43.479 --> 02:30:46.920
leader. You know, they've fallen
through this green stuff which doesn't work.

1878
02:30:46.959 --> 02:30:52.319
They're shutting down their nuclear plants.
Maybe they're slowing some of that down now

1879
02:30:52.360 --> 02:30:56.639
they're going to have to reopen coal
plants, you know, against their agenda.

1880
02:30:58.319 --> 02:31:01.680
But you know, just today they're
there's more news putin is you know,

1881
02:31:01.719 --> 02:31:05.159
squeezing no Moro on gas and you
know they're they're thinking about, yeah,

1882
02:31:05.479 --> 02:31:09.040
we're going to need to have communal
eating places and how else can we

1883
02:31:09.079 --> 02:31:13.399
crash and electricity. I mean,
the whole thing is just a disaster,

1884
02:31:13.559 --> 02:31:16.959
and you kind of wonder, like, why aren't people up in arms about

1885
02:31:16.959 --> 02:31:22.959
this. Instead they elect this new
green government, you know, they get

1886
02:31:22.079 --> 02:31:33.120
rid of Merkele, who is bad
enough. Now they have been forced to

1887
02:31:33.280 --> 02:31:37.600
reopen like twenty seven coal plants.
Yeah, but they don't want to and

1888
02:31:37.639 --> 02:31:39.559
they can't wait to shut them down
again. Yeah, I know. Yeah.

1889
02:31:39.680 --> 02:31:45.639
As a matter of fact, Soro
said, Davos was just railing about

1890
02:31:45.680 --> 02:31:48.399
how Merkele had thrown them under the
bus because she hadn't done enough to do

1891
02:31:48.440 --> 02:31:54.319
renewables and left them vulnerable to these
fossil fuels and everything, which is really

1892
02:31:54.319 --> 02:31:56.879
the only thing that's going to keep
them alive come winter. It's pretty amazing.

1893
02:31:56.879 --> 02:32:00.680
And they're now talking in all these
different places in your up about,

1894
02:32:01.159 --> 02:32:03.680
well, should we let the peasants
go out and gather wood so they can

1895
02:32:03.719 --> 02:32:07.159
heat themselves. You know, they're
seriously you know, you know, they're

1896
02:32:07.159 --> 02:32:11.360
talking about gathering wood for fuel,
but they're not fully on board that because

1897
02:32:11.360 --> 02:32:13.600
you know, we shouldn't let them
be able to go through uh and collect

1898
02:32:13.719 --> 02:32:16.399
uh, you know, dead wood
out of the forest to heat themselves.

1899
02:32:16.479 --> 02:32:22.040
It's amazing. It's turning medieval,
isn't it. It is totally medieval.

1900
02:32:22.200 --> 02:32:26.719
And you know, now we have
this sort of looming global food crisis because

1901
02:32:26.959 --> 02:32:31.760
you know, Russia can't export its
wheat will let Ukraine to explore its and

1902
02:32:33.719 --> 02:32:37.719
you know in America we burn grain
for it, We burned food for energy.

1903
02:32:37.760 --> 02:32:43.920
Because we have all these athmol exactly
would like who is in charge and

1904
02:32:45.000 --> 02:32:48.799
who votes for these people? And
what schools did they go to? I

1905
02:32:48.799 --> 02:32:50.840
don't I don't know where every where
all these people came from, because they've

1906
02:32:50.920 --> 02:32:56.000
all lost their minds. Well,
they're they're graduates of the World Economic Forum.

1907
02:32:56.280 --> 02:33:01.159
Klaus Robins got one of those people. But how did they acquire all

1908
02:33:01.200 --> 02:33:07.920
this power and all this money because
they are obviously too stupid to do anything.

1909
02:33:07.200 --> 02:33:09.799
Yeah, how did it happen?
Well, you know, they're smart

1910
02:33:09.879 --> 02:33:13.239
enough to get into these institutions.
I had people ask me that say,

1911
02:33:13.280 --> 02:33:16.520
how do we wind up with all
the universities and schools being controlled by these

1912
02:33:16.600 --> 02:33:20.959
radical leftist liberals and things like?
Well, because you know, they they

1913
02:33:20.000 --> 02:33:22.840
love it, They love those institutions
and they want to be part of them.

1914
02:33:22.840 --> 02:33:26.879
These are the kinds of people when
we were in high school. They

1915
02:33:26.879 --> 02:33:28.680
wanted to be the leaders of student
government. You know, I didn't want

1916
02:33:28.719 --> 02:33:31.000
to have anything to do with it, but you know it works out for

1917
02:33:31.040 --> 02:33:35.280
them. Yeah, I'll go to
step further. I mean, they have

1918
02:33:35.520 --> 02:33:39.520
purposely captured these institutions, which is
not they just gravitate there. They have

1919
02:33:39.639 --> 02:33:43.680
purposely captured them. I agree.
You know, there was a great radio

1920
02:33:43.760 --> 02:33:48.239
series starting Dana Andrews from the nineteen
fifties. I was a communist for the

1921
02:33:48.280 --> 02:33:54.319
FBI, I used to and the
episodes are great because they explain how since

1922
02:33:54.360 --> 02:34:03.799
the nineteen twenties, and they do
it through you know, recreations of story

1923
02:34:03.840 --> 02:34:09.159
by FBI ages of how communists have
purposely tried to capture these institute shoots,

1924
02:34:09.360 --> 02:34:13.559
yes, and control them for their
for these purposes. That's right. Yeah,

1925
02:34:13.600 --> 02:34:18.639
the Frankfort Institute. They made it
a deliberate goal to capture Hollywood and

1926
02:34:18.680 --> 02:34:22.520
things like that, and they they've
been very successful at that. It's been

1927
02:34:22.559 --> 02:34:26.000
a long running plan. Yeah.
You talk about and we were mentioning air

1928
02:34:26.000 --> 02:34:31.440
conditioning earlier. Uh, and you
got an article junk science dot com ozone

1929
02:34:31.440 --> 02:34:35.040
hole depletion hysteria debunked anew tell us
about that because they're just rolling out they're

1930
02:34:35.040 --> 02:34:39.520
about to rev the version of refrigerate
that we got yet again. You know,

1931
02:34:39.559 --> 02:34:43.040
they did it once before and said
sorry, you can't have that.

1932
02:34:43.120 --> 02:34:46.600
Now we got something's going to be
safe for the ozone layer. And now

1933
02:34:46.719 --> 02:34:48.920
as their patent, I guess is
about to expire. That was Eric Peters

1934
02:34:48.920 --> 02:34:52.239
take on that. Yes. And
Republicans yeah, like John Kennedy and Bill

1935
02:34:52.280 --> 02:34:56.000
Cassie and Louisiana behind this. Yes, so o's other whole steria born in

1936
02:34:56.040 --> 02:35:03.479
the nineteen seventies. The guys that
discovered the chemistry behind ozone hole hysteria won

1937
02:35:03.479 --> 02:35:05.799
the Nobel Prize. And what they
discovered was there, you know, was

1938
02:35:05.840 --> 02:35:09.840
some thinning over the Antarctic and the
ozone layer which protects us from the UV

1939
02:35:11.000 --> 02:35:13.719
layer from the UV radiation from the
sun. It wasn't a hole, it

1940
02:35:13.879 --> 02:35:18.239
was just some thinning. No one
really understood it. These guys figured out

1941
02:35:18.319 --> 02:35:26.159
that chloroflora carbons are refrigerants. When
they escape into the atmosphere, they destroy

1942
02:35:26.239 --> 02:35:28.120
the ozo and and for that they
won the Nobel Prize. We got the

1943
02:35:28.239 --> 02:35:35.040
Montreal Protocol, which was pushed by
environmentalists of course, as well as DuPont

1944
02:35:35.440 --> 02:35:41.639
who was losing its patents on CFC's
And of course since then we've been on

1945
02:35:41.719 --> 02:35:45.479
this all. You know, we
keep replacing refrigerants and they keep getting needlessly

1946
02:35:45.520 --> 02:35:48.799
more expensive. Well, a couple
of weeks ago they you know, I

1947
02:35:50.360 --> 02:35:54.360
never believed ozone hysteria. It's true, the chemistry neither did. I let

1948
02:35:54.399 --> 02:35:58.719
me ask you this too. I
mean I was always under the impression that

1949
02:35:58.280 --> 02:36:03.000
never looked before. I mean,
they never looked before. Are they ever

1950
02:36:03.200 --> 02:36:07.159
looking at the ozone layer over the
poles? Was that it was the first

1951
02:36:07.200 --> 02:36:09.959
time they looked at as I know, it's a thinning there, and so

1952
02:36:11.239 --> 02:36:16.280
well, yeah, so and so
two weeks ago there's a study that comes

1953
02:36:16.319 --> 02:36:18.840
out that says, you know what, there's been an ozone hole over the

1954
02:36:18.920 --> 02:36:24.719
tropics since the nineteen eighties. They
didn't even notice it because there was nothing

1955
02:36:24.760 --> 02:36:28.399
happening, because there's nothing there.
It's just, you know, we have

1956
02:36:28.479 --> 02:36:33.600
an excess of protective ozone in the
stratospirit. If it gets thin here and

1957
02:36:33.639 --> 02:36:37.040
there, it doesn't really matter.
And so the whole thing has been a

1958
02:36:37.079 --> 02:36:41.280
hoax. Now. I remember,
more than about twenty years ago, when

1959
02:36:41.319 --> 02:36:43.920
al Gore was developing his slide show, I was in a meeting where I

1960
02:36:43.920 --> 02:36:48.239
got to see his slide show,
and he made this remark in his mark

1961
02:36:48.399 --> 02:36:52.600
was, you know, the purpose
of the Montreal Protocol was not to protect

1962
02:36:52.680 --> 02:36:56.840
the ozone layer. It was to
show that we could get a global climate

1963
02:36:56.840 --> 02:37:01.600
tree. Oh okay, it's about
global government. And that is where we

1964
02:37:01.639 --> 02:37:07.120
are now because out of the Montreal
Protocol comes the you know, the the

1965
02:37:07.239 --> 02:37:13.239
United Nations Framework on Climate Change,
which you know, George Bush the Elder

1966
02:37:13.360 --> 02:37:18.600
signed in nineteen ninety two in Rio, and out of that was the Kyoto

1967
02:37:18.639 --> 02:37:20.799
Protocol in the Paris Climate Court.
So all this stuff, you know,

1968
02:37:20.840 --> 02:37:24.840
the fruit of the poisonous tree.
The poisonous tree is the Montreal Protocol totally

1969
02:37:24.879 --> 02:37:30.079
bogus. There's there's no problem with
the ozone There never has been. We

1970
02:37:30.200 --> 02:37:35.479
paid needlessly more for refrigerants. We
have Senator Kennedy and Bill Cassidy and other

1971
02:37:35.520 --> 02:37:39.479
Republicans going along with Democrats, you
know, signing a bill at the end

1972
02:37:39.520 --> 02:37:43.920
of the Trump administration to force ep
to make EPA, force us out of

1973
02:37:45.479 --> 02:37:50.520
the refrigerants we're using right now.
Now, there's an amendment to the Montreal

1974
02:37:50.600 --> 02:37:56.040
Protocol that's been in the Senate right
now that Senator Kennedy is probably for as

1975
02:37:56.040 --> 02:38:00.239
well as Bill Cassidy, because the
refrigerant industry and the environmentals are pushing is

1976
02:38:00.280 --> 02:38:03.760
called the Kigali Amendment, and it's
going to force us out of our current

1977
02:38:03.799 --> 02:38:07.440
refrigerates into something into technology that does
not even exist yet. Wow, the

1978
02:38:07.479 --> 02:38:13.680
whole thing is a nightmare. You
know, people think Senator Kennedy's funny when

1979
02:38:13.680 --> 02:38:16.879
he goes on TVs as all sorts
of folksy things. I'd like to see

1980
02:38:16.920 --> 02:38:20.440
someone ask Sataty Kennedy about this.
Yeah, Yeah, the Kagaliy Amendment.

1981
02:38:20.479 --> 02:38:26.120
It sounds like Hegelian. That's amazing. That's the way they pushed us.

1982
02:38:26.159 --> 02:38:28.799
You know, you're talking about this, and they had to have see if

1983
02:38:28.799 --> 02:38:33.239
they could get a world agreement.
And I've talked to we were talking before

1984
02:38:33.280 --> 02:38:39.959
about how the plan for the longest
time has been depopulation and going back to

1985
02:38:41.159 --> 02:38:45.200
when the Pope put out his Climate
in cyclical, a guy who was very

1986
02:38:45.200 --> 02:38:48.840
instrumental in that, who was the
Vatican Science Director that was writing that was

1987
02:38:48.920 --> 02:38:54.479
John schellen Hooper, and he had
been at the right hand of Prince Charleton.

1988
02:38:54.520 --> 02:38:58.639
They had been conspiring to do this
World League thing. And a Planetary

1989
02:38:58.719 --> 02:39:01.440
Council and an earth Kind Institution.
I mean, everything about these guys is

1990
02:39:01.520 --> 02:39:07.680
to centralize all power and wealth into
their hands globally and to depopulate everybody else.

1991
02:39:07.719 --> 02:39:09.319
And it just keeps you know,
you have all these different organizations,

1992
02:39:09.319 --> 02:39:13.639
but they all have the same goal
and it's that and you have the same

1993
02:39:13.760 --> 02:39:18.239
people that keep you know, showing
up in all of these these organizations for

1994
02:39:18.879 --> 02:39:24.760
global control and world depopulation. It
truly is amazing. Let's talk, I

1995
02:39:24.799 --> 02:39:26.079
said, we get to the ESG
stuff. Let's talk a little bit about

1996
02:39:26.120 --> 02:39:31.840
the ESG because now these scorers are
really the new corporate bench mark, aren't

1997
02:39:31.840 --> 02:39:33.760
they. I mean, we're not
really worried about Moody's or any financial ratings.

1998
02:39:33.760 --> 02:39:39.600
Now we're worried about the ESG score
that everybody's got. Well. Yeah,

1999
02:39:39.639 --> 02:39:43.840
the whole notion is that, you
know, we the left can't get

2000
02:39:45.040 --> 02:39:50.760
more stringent environmental and social standards through
Congress, so they're going to They've created

2001
02:39:50.799 --> 02:40:00.280
these you know, fake international bodies
that are imposing these standards through left wing

2002
02:40:00.360 --> 02:40:05.680
investors on corporations. Is a you
know, it's it's basically a communist plot

2003
02:40:05.959 --> 02:40:11.719
to circumvent democracy, to capture corporations
for their political purposes, and it's working.

2004
02:40:11.840 --> 02:40:16.319
And you know, this is led
by Wall Street firms, Goldman Sachs,

2005
02:40:16.559 --> 02:40:20.479
especially Black Rocks, State Street banks, people that mentioned that manage our

2006
02:40:20.520 --> 02:40:26.680
pensions and manage pension funds for states. They use all our money to amass

2007
02:40:26.760 --> 02:40:31.440
political power for themselves. Now,
you know, there's a pushback. States

2008
02:40:31.520 --> 02:40:35.399
like Texas have pushed back against Black
Rock Tennessee from other states, and there's

2009
02:40:35.440 --> 02:40:39.360
a growing West Virginia. There's a
growing movement among red states to push back

2010
02:40:39.399 --> 02:40:43.040
against these guys. But of course
the bankers are pushing back on their own

2011
02:40:43.040 --> 02:40:48.360
and it's a real struggle. And
you have also the Biden Securities and Exchange

2012
02:40:48.399 --> 02:40:52.440
Commission. You know, it's it's
got all these you know, it's starting

2013
02:40:52.479 --> 02:40:58.840
to get itself involved in ESG pushing
ESG rules. They've also got a proposed

2014
02:40:58.920 --> 02:41:05.760
rule to require companies disclose their greenhouse
gas emissions and what they're doing on climate.

2015
02:41:05.159 --> 02:41:09.239
And the whole purpose of this is
really to capture the corporation. And

2016
02:41:09.319 --> 02:41:15.639
we talked about how the left has
captured all virtually every institution in America.

2017
02:41:15.879 --> 02:41:20.479
Yeah, and we've seen now with
woke corporations they have made substantial progress in

2018
02:41:20.559 --> 02:41:26.840
capturing those corporations. And you know, as someone who does shareholder activism myself,

2019
02:41:28.840 --> 02:41:33.079
you know, I can see they
certainly have made tremendous progress against corporations

2020
02:41:33.120 --> 02:41:37.760
and so ESG is just another tool
to you know, help bring that about.

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02:41:37.920 --> 02:41:41.399
That's right. You've gone to the
Exxon meeting, for example, and

2022
02:41:41.559 --> 02:41:45.600
others and standing up saying what are
you doing? Because they're not they're not

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02:41:45.760 --> 02:41:48.600
focused on their product, they're not
focused on their customer. They've got one

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02:41:48.680 --> 02:41:52.040
customer, and that is the you
know, the people who are doing the

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02:41:52.319 --> 02:41:56.440
ESG ratings and the government it is
to do. They're bidding and that's one

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02:41:56.479 --> 02:41:58.440
of the reasons why you see so
much contempt for their customers from these big

2027
02:41:58.479 --> 02:42:03.600
corporations. But it's really being driven
by Black Rock, as you pointed out,

2028
02:42:03.159 --> 02:42:07.040
Vanguard, I mean, the big
three holding companies. They've got about

2029
02:42:07.079 --> 02:42:11.319
thirty trillion dollars worth of stock and
they're using that as leverage against these corporations.

2030
02:42:11.559 --> 02:42:13.239
And now, like I said before, you know, they used to

2031
02:42:13.319 --> 02:42:18.120
have Moody's and other financial rating scores
and things like that, but now they're

2032
02:42:18.159 --> 02:42:24.079
all concerned about their ESG scores.
There's a new MIT Sloan study says,

2033
02:42:24.159 --> 02:42:28.920
hey, we're seeing widespread and repeated
retroactive changes to ESG scores. So they're

2034
02:42:28.319 --> 02:42:33.639
they're looking at this like somebody would
raise a red flag about someone manipulating the

2035
02:42:33.639 --> 02:42:35.760
Moody ratings or something like, well, what's going on here? You know,

2036
02:42:35.799 --> 02:42:39.600
this is the way we evaluate corporations
anymore. It's not by their profits,

2037
02:42:39.639 --> 02:42:43.879
it's not by products. It's now
by are they going to push the

2038
02:42:43.959 --> 02:42:48.600
environmental agenda? Are they going to
push this diversity, inclusivity and all that

2039
02:42:48.799 --> 02:42:54.040
stuff equity? Yeah, and so
these scores are being used by Wall Street

2040
02:42:54.120 --> 02:43:01.239
to deny finance to company. And
you know the next step here is to

2041
02:43:01.760 --> 02:43:05.719
you know, take ESG scores and
kind of turn them into social credit scores

2042
02:43:05.760 --> 02:43:09.879
for individuals. Yes, so you
know, if you use too much energy

2043
02:43:11.000 --> 02:43:13.920
or do the wrong things and own
guns and stuff like that, you won't

2044
02:43:13.920 --> 02:43:18.280
be able to get financing for your
house or whatever you need. It's all,

2045
02:43:18.719 --> 02:43:22.719
you know, very big brother stuff
coming down the road. And once

2046
02:43:22.760 --> 02:43:26.360
again our Republicans doing anything, nothing, not much. We've got some action

2047
02:43:26.520 --> 02:43:31.879
going on in the States, but
in Congress, Republics even really understand this

2048
02:43:33.040 --> 02:43:37.399
and no. Yeah, well,
you know, they're rolling out the financial

2049
02:43:37.440 --> 02:43:39.680
tools to control this stuff with the
Central Bank digital currencies, and they've already

2050
02:43:39.680 --> 02:43:43.319
talked about the fact, well we're
going to follow your carbon footprint and you

2051
02:43:43.360 --> 02:43:46.520
know what, what are you eating? You know, I'm sorry, you've

2052
02:43:46.520 --> 02:43:48.239
already bought too much meat this month, so we're not going to let you

2053
02:43:48.280 --> 02:43:52.479
buy this because we now control all
the money centrally. And then when it

2054
02:43:52.520 --> 02:43:56.280
comes to the social side of this, well, I'm sorry, I don't

2055
02:43:56.319 --> 02:43:58.719
like what you had to say on
social media, and you know, the

2056
02:43:58.760 --> 02:44:03.120
world economic form has blocked you or
whatever, so now you're not going to

2057
02:44:03.159 --> 02:44:05.000
be able to fill in the blank
and they're going to cut you off from

2058
02:44:05.000 --> 02:44:09.319
that standpoint. That's really where this
is rolling out, that that kind of

2059
02:44:09.399 --> 02:44:11.479
social credit like we've seen already done
this to China. H yeah, this

2060
02:44:11.520 --> 02:44:16.239
is happening in China, and of
course it's happening here too. Go to

2061
02:44:16.319 --> 02:44:20.319
twitters. See long you last saw
Twitter? Is speaking your mind? Oh

2062
02:44:20.360 --> 02:44:22.520
yeah, I know, yeah,
well you know it was it was a

2063
02:44:22.520 --> 02:44:26.360
little over a year ago, after
I'd done the show on my own for

2064
02:44:26.360 --> 02:44:31.040
about six months that PayPal suddenly PayPal
and Venmo just suddenly without any explanation.

2065
02:44:31.079 --> 02:44:33.399
I could never get them to explain
to me. I'll have to sue them

2066
02:44:33.399 --> 02:44:35.719
if I want to get an explanation. They won't tell me. But they

2067
02:44:35.799 --> 02:44:39.559
just pulled it. I can't even
use them as an individual. That's what

2068
02:44:39.639 --> 02:44:43.360
this is going to look like for
everybody if they roll in this CBDC.

2069
02:44:45.040 --> 02:44:48.520
We've seen it in Canada with the
truckers and Trudeau coming after after their stuff.

2070
02:44:48.559 --> 02:44:52.680
But it truly is amazing that they're
able to get away with this,

2071
02:44:52.760 --> 02:44:58.239
and it truly is amazing that the
politicians in Washington are not doing anything about

2072
02:44:58.239 --> 02:45:01.799
that. And as you point out, there's no in the Republican Party that's

2073
02:45:01.799 --> 02:45:05.040
even talking about that, none of
the politicians. And one, where where

2074
02:45:05.120 --> 02:45:11.760
is Mitch McConnell, Where is Kevin
McCarthy? Where are these people nowhere?

2075
02:45:11.840 --> 02:45:15.159
Well, almost every time I talk
about Mitch McConnell, I point out the

2076
02:45:15.200 --> 02:45:18.520
insight that you had. And I'm
still kicking myself because I didn't see it.

2077
02:45:18.799 --> 02:45:22.719
But you said right after the election, you said, they're going to

2078
02:45:22.799 --> 02:45:26.479
get back into this Paris climate thing
right away, and you figured this out,

2079
02:45:26.479 --> 02:45:30.000
and it was great that you figured
this out. And I tried to

2080
02:45:30.040 --> 02:45:33.120
publicize it as much like it.
But you said this Paris climate thing is

2081
02:45:33.159 --> 02:45:35.239
going to come back with Biden,
and it did, and you said,

2082
02:45:35.280 --> 02:45:39.399
the way to stop this is for
Mitch McConnell to hold a vote, because

2083
02:45:39.440 --> 02:45:41.000
there's no way they got the votes
to ratify this as a treaty, and

2084
02:45:41.000 --> 02:45:43.479
that would end it once and for
all. Everybody was going back and forth

2085
02:45:43.520 --> 02:45:46.360
about well, what is Trump going
to do? This? Is Trump going

2086
02:45:46.360 --> 02:45:48.520
to do that to stop the Paris
Climate cork? It should have been Mitch

2087
02:45:48.600 --> 02:45:50.680
McConnell, and he could have done
it even in the Biden administration when Biden

2088
02:45:50.760 --> 02:45:54.680
said we've self ratified, you know, carry and I decided we'll sign it.

2089
02:45:56.159 --> 02:45:58.479
You can't do that. They're just
making this stuff up. He should

2090
02:45:58.479 --> 02:46:01.000
have called their bluff. But he
didn't do it because he didn't want to

2091
02:46:01.040 --> 02:46:05.200
write. Yeah, well, you
know. It's interesting because he did do

2092
02:46:05.280 --> 02:46:07.799
it with the Green New Deal during
the Trump administration when that first came up,

2093
02:46:07.840 --> 02:46:11.760
he brought that to a vote and
of course all Republicans voted against it

2094
02:46:11.799 --> 02:46:16.559
and no Democrats voted at all.
But for some reason he wouldn't do it

2095
02:46:16.600 --> 02:46:18.879
with the Paris Climate Accord, and
he should have done it, because that

2096
02:46:18.959 --> 02:46:22.040
would have put an end to it
and we would not be in the Paris

2097
02:46:22.040 --> 02:46:26.920
Climate Accord now. But yeah,
yeah, yeah. Even the people who

2098
02:46:26.000 --> 02:46:31.079
are true believers and all this climate
change stuff, I've seen them very angry

2099
02:46:31.079 --> 02:46:33.719
about this because they said, how
can this be addressing what we think is

2100
02:46:33.760 --> 02:46:37.879
a global problem if you're going to
allow China and India to continue to add

2101
02:46:37.879 --> 02:46:41.840
as many power plants as dirty as
they are forever, you know what,

2102
02:46:41.879 --> 02:46:43.639
not forever, but you know for
decades while you're cutting it down here,

2103
02:46:43.719 --> 02:46:50.399
you're just rearranging the economic chairs on
the Titanic, they say, And you're

2104
02:46:50.440 --> 02:46:52.600
not doing anything to address the problem
if you let China and India go free.

2105
02:46:52.879 --> 02:46:56.959
Yeah, well, you know,
I guess that's you know, you

2106
02:46:56.000 --> 02:47:01.040
mentioned it earlier. The World Economic
Forum's idea was that China would just be

2107
02:47:01.159 --> 02:47:05.399
this, you know, basically open
sewer that produces all the goods and you

2108
02:47:05.440 --> 02:47:09.280
know it's dirty over there, who
cares it's clean everyplace else? But of

2109
02:47:09.280 --> 02:47:11.799
course, you know, China has
its own mind. It's run by this

2110
02:47:11.000 --> 02:47:18.079
aggressive communist party. Oh yeah,
that is realizing, God, we have

2111
02:47:18.280 --> 02:47:20.159
all this power, We can do
whatever we want. You know, we

2112
02:47:20.200 --> 02:47:26.280
can take Taiwan and there's nothing anybody
can do about it, or would dare

2113
02:47:26.520 --> 02:47:30.760
do anything about because we'll just shut
down their economies. That's right, that's

2114
02:47:30.840 --> 02:47:33.040
right. I think that had a
lot to do. I've said this from

2115
02:47:33.040 --> 02:47:39.200
the beginning. I think that that
what they did in Shanghai was signaling to

2116
02:47:39.200 --> 02:47:41.280
everybody, look, we can shut
you all down. Yeah, when they

2117
02:47:41.280 --> 02:47:46.120
shut down Shanghai, I think that
was a very clever warning signal. Nobody

2118
02:47:46.120 --> 02:47:48.639
else is really talking about that.
Maybe they're afraid to talk about it.

2119
02:47:48.760 --> 02:47:50.399
Well. Yeah, Look, if
it comes to end times, the Chinese

2120
02:47:50.479 --> 02:47:54.319
have shown they can do whatever they
want to their own people. That's right.

2121
02:47:54.559 --> 02:47:58.440
There's not going to be an uprising
at home because they've got that locked

2122
02:47:58.440 --> 02:48:03.239
down. Yeah, so they can
go to you know, war for keeps

2123
02:48:03.239 --> 02:48:07.920
for everything against everybody else. They
don't care, that's right. They don't

2124
02:48:07.920 --> 02:48:11.200
care about their people, and they
can they can do that to their people

2125
02:48:11.239 --> 02:48:15.399
as a weapon. There was one
thing that you mentioned on junk science dot

2126
02:48:15.399 --> 02:48:18.680
com. Kentucky Attorney General is saying
that ESG investing is a breach of an

2127
02:48:18.680 --> 02:48:22.159
asset manager's forduciary study. So I
don't want to in the time that we've

2128
02:48:22.159 --> 02:48:26.000
got without touching on that, is
there any hope that that is going to

2129
02:48:26.000 --> 02:48:30.879
be an effective strategy against that?
That's a great move. Well, you

2130
02:48:30.920 --> 02:48:33.520
know, there's a lot of education
that needs to go on. People need

2131
02:48:33.559 --> 02:48:37.159
to realize that. You know,
if you hire an investment manager for your

2132
02:48:37.200 --> 02:48:43.639
money, of course is the duciary
duty is legal duty is to increase your

2133
02:48:43.639 --> 02:48:46.719
investment. It's not to implement somebody
else, you know, his own social

2134
02:48:46.760 --> 02:48:50.760
policy with your money. And it's
it's odd that you actually have to say

2135
02:48:50.799 --> 02:48:56.959
that, but the Kentucky Attorney General
has now issued an opinion and that needs

2136
02:48:56.000 --> 02:49:01.440
to unfortunately, have to be marketed
to everybody else's they realize that, you

2137
02:49:01.440 --> 02:49:07.159
know, people that are pushing ESG
versus trying to make money for you or

2138
02:49:07.479 --> 02:49:13.559
investors or state pension funds or whatever
it is, that's all illegal. That's

2139
02:49:13.639 --> 02:49:16.360
right, That's right. Yeah,
that should be echoed very very loudly.

2140
02:49:16.360 --> 02:49:20.239
It's why I wanted to get to
that. And always you're right at the

2141
02:49:20.280 --> 02:49:22.399
center of everything, Steve, I
really do you're coming on? No,

2142
02:49:22.440 --> 02:49:26.360
I mean, you picked that up. I haven't seen anybody else pick that

2143
02:49:26.479 --> 02:49:28.079
up. The fact that the Kentucky
Attorney General is saying, hey, you're

2144
02:49:28.079 --> 02:49:31.000
breaching your fiduciary trust. You were
supposed to make money for these people,

2145
02:49:31.000 --> 02:49:35.600
make money for the pension plans,
and you're out, you know, chasing

2146
02:49:35.000 --> 02:49:41.000
your rainbows or whatever. Literally,
where is the media on all this?

2147
02:49:41.079 --> 02:49:43.440
I mean, I find it hard
to believe that the last more than thirty

2148
02:49:43.520 --> 02:49:48.840
years on this nonsense. None of
it is rocket science. It's just it's

2149
02:49:48.879 --> 02:49:52.719
just inconvenient facts that nobody wants to
consider, even people on our own side.

2150
02:49:52.760 --> 02:49:56.399
I agree. I agree. Well, thank you so much for coming

2151
02:49:56.440 --> 02:49:58.479
on. I'm glad you're feeling better. And folks, if you want to

2152
02:50:00.200 --> 02:50:03.879
know what is happening at the epicenter
and somebody who stays on top of it

2153
02:50:05.440 --> 02:50:11.200
and sees what is happening across the
political and economic spectrum, that's Steve molloy

2154
02:50:11.680 --> 02:50:13.600
at junk science dot com. Thank
you very much, Steve, appreciate it,

2155
02:50:13.680 --> 02:50:16.200
David, thanks for having me.
Thank you all right, folks.

2156
02:50:16.200 --> 02:50:20.239
In a little bit of time that
we have left, I can't let today's

2157
02:50:20.239 --> 02:50:24.639
show end without talking about the new
historical location, or as some people have

2158
02:50:24.719 --> 02:50:31.600
said, a new hysterical location on
Google Maps, and that is Brandon Falls.

2159
02:50:31.840 --> 02:50:35.360
Yes, people actually got it.
On Google Maps for about a day

2160
02:50:35.719 --> 02:50:41.319
they marked the spot where Biden fell
off of his bicycle. They marked it

2161
02:50:41.399 --> 02:50:46.159
as Brandon Falls, and then Google
removed it after people started leaving reviews,

2162
02:50:46.159 --> 02:50:52.120
and so then somebody put up a
bicycle shop at the same location, and

2163
02:50:52.239 --> 02:50:58.120
the comments and the reviews of the
bicycle shop were very nice place to ride

2164
02:50:58.159 --> 02:51:01.079
a bike. Be careful not to
cause too much inflation in your tires or

2165
02:51:01.120 --> 02:51:05.280
you can end up crashing your whole
bike into the ground. But what happens,

2166
02:51:05.520 --> 02:51:09.360
you just blame putin and people will
fall for it. Another one said

2167
02:51:09.760 --> 02:51:16.239
the bicycle shop there, Brandon's Bicycle
Shop, wonderful place, better than Niagara

2168
02:51:16.319 --> 02:51:20.120
Falls, a true hysterical landmark.
I came across this place by accident on

2169
02:51:20.159 --> 02:51:26.360
my bicycle. Get your ice cream
there as well, but leave your kids

2170
02:51:26.440 --> 02:51:30.479
at home. And that was echoed
by other people who said, great tacos

2171
02:51:30.600 --> 02:51:35.840
and ice cream at the Brandon bicycle
Shop, but it is not kid friendly.

2172
02:51:35.600 --> 02:51:39.680
Not kid friends. Somebody else who
is not kid friendly is Nicki Haley.

2173
02:51:41.159 --> 02:51:45.200
I like this headline Hillary Clinton levels
of cringe. That was a comment

2174
02:51:45.399 --> 02:51:52.600
of one person who was looking at
Nicki Haley so desperate for power that is

2175
02:51:52.639 --> 02:51:58.120
a very big warning sign. One
of the most vicious authoritarian warmongers I've ever

2176
02:51:58.159 --> 02:52:03.719
seen in my life from any political
party is Nicky Haley, and for the

2177
02:52:03.760 --> 02:52:07.399
life of me, can't understand why
so many Christians find her attractive. That's

2178
02:52:07.440 --> 02:52:20.920
the end of our show. Thank
you for joining us the common man.

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02:52:24.280 --> 02:52:30.040
They created common Core and dumbed down
our children. They created common past track

2180
02:52:30.159 --> 02:52:35.440
and control us. They're Commons project
to make sure the commoners own nothing and

2181
02:52:35.520 --> 02:52:43.040
the communist future. They see the
common man as simple, unsophisticated ordinary.

2182
02:52:43.000 --> 02:52:48.440
But each of us has worth and
dignity created in the image of God.

2183
02:52:50.680 --> 02:52:52.959
That is what we have in common. That is what they want to take

2184
02:52:54.000 --> 02:53:00.799
away. Their most powerful weapons are
isolation, deception, intimidation. They desire

2185
02:53:00.840 --> 02:53:05.239
to know everything about us, while
they hide everything from us. It's time

2186
02:53:05.280 --> 02:53:11.360
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