Hey everybody, and welcome to another episode of My JavaScript Story. This week
we're talking to Dean Radcliffe. Dean, do you want to say hello?
Hello? Yeah, I'm usually recording from home. I don't remember if we
recorded with you from home, but kind of weird times. And no,
i was in an ISO booth at the office and now I'm in the ISO
booth that is my basement office down here. Yeah, a lot of people
working from home these days. Do you want to just give us a brief
rundown of who you are and what you're known for? Yeah, known for
I'm still working on that farm. I'm a software developer. I like to
say, I've been doing web development since the table tag was the new hotness.
And so i work at G two in Chicago, and I'm in a
little suburb just north of Chicago called Evanston. Okay, And uh yeah,
So I've been a dot net developer, a Ruby developer, and a full
stack JS developer and instructor, boot camp instructor, and so yeah, I've
kind of had like those those different stages of my career. And now we're
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Well, this show is a show where we actually explore your code journey.
So we'll start out with, yeah, how you got into programming,
and we'll just kind of work our way through dot net and Ruby and JavaScript
and kind of see where how you got where you are now? So let's
go ahead and just yeah, roll back to the very beginning. How did
you get into programming? Programming was a thing where I wanted to play video
games. I had a Natari twenty six hundred was my first console unit.
I loved it. I wanted to do more. And then I got a
Calico Atom, which was a It used cassette tapes to store data as opposed
to like a floppy disk or a hard drive, and it lets you write
basic So I liked like the visual arts too, and there was one and
my mom was aid, she's alive, but she did knitting, and so
I liked patterns and visual patterns, and I tried drawing, and then I
learned that I could write commands in a computer a language and it would draw
for me. Oh nice. Yeah. I was also only child of a
single mom. So one of the things that would happen is she would like
take me to a store where there'd be an array of computers, right,
and she would know that she could leave me there and I wouldn't leave.
She could go do some aisles of shopping and come back and I'd be like,
Mom, look, it's my name going Dan D D Dean, you
know, like in text in the terminole, you know, or doing some
sort of thing like where I could I could figure out in a few minutes.
So it just came from a love of of figuring out how to make
stuff move. How old were you, I'd say, like ten or eleven?
Nice? Yeah, So I guess I'm wondering, then, when did
you know that you were going to do this for a living. Let's see,
certainly not when I went to college, because I would like the thought
of engineering. I like the thought of civil engineering because I thought, you
know, maybe there's some sort of a way to like contribute to society.
But I also had a real love of the Spanish language and Latino LATINX culture,
and so I knew that I wanted to study abroad in Spain in college,
and the College of Engineering did not have enough room in the schedule for
me to pull off a study abroad semester. Right, so I did,
oh, you know, did the easy thing, just math in computer science.
Yeah, that's the diploma right there, you know, there you go.
Because there was a way to do math in computer science and go to
Spain. And when I was in Spain spring semester of nineteen ninety six.
I had an internship at a company called uh siber Mundi and uh Cybermundi dot
e S, which no longer exists, but you can go through the wayback
machine and find it was a little scrappy web development firm that was doing uh
uh, what do you call it? Live streaming of concerts and football,
which is soccer games and you know, kind of some brochure wear. Uh
have you heard that term? For like just a few pages, like a
site that's like what you would use WIS for, but in the old days
there was no WIS. So yeah, So basically, like I got to
actually work on web projects while living in Spain and out till four am and
uh taking ci esta, you know, with my coworkers, and like it
was great. So I was kind of hooked once I got into like an
actual team, you know, production environment, I was. I was pretty
hooked, and I almost didn't finish my college degree actually because I heard that
that was the cool thing to do. I worked for Bill Gates and I
had gotten a job in web development as a part time job my senior year,
and I was leaning into that, so much. I started to drop
some of my coursework, but I went back. I was on the five
year plan, right and and then I yeah, so so then yeah,
I was I was like math and computer science was like, there's probably a
job I can get out of this. But really I didn't even need my
degree to have gotten that job, because I was hired because of my internship,
not because of my degree. Yep, makes sense. So you go
out, you get the internship, you're building stuff for the web. You
mentioned you worked for Bill Gates. No, No, I was just inspired
states like, well, if if you can drop off, drop out of
college and become a billionaire, that sounds like something I want to do.
Yeah, Bill Gates, Steve Jobs, Yeah yeah, so yeah, so
you get through college, how did you wind up in dot net? Uh?
So? There was a lot a lot of Microsoft web development in the
beginning days. Actually the shop that I was in was Java initially, but
but Microsoft had a really big presence, and you know, I don't know,
they just they just they seemed you know, basically, they weren't boot
camps right right at that at that time, and there was less open source
going on. It wasn't just like there was PHP I had worked in PHP,
but I don't know. It's like, if you wanted to level up,
you needed like a course of study kind of right, and Microsoft had
that in spades. And there's also this kind of a notion of a career
path, Like I always felt like I enjoyed explaining things tutoring. I did
math tutoring in college and stuff, and Microsoft had a career path that included
the Microsoft Certified Trainer credential, and I did that. I became a Microsoft
Certified Trainer over several years, and so I felt like I was progressing each
certification test I took. Now I know how all this sounds now to boot
campgrads, computer science major certifications. I know how that all sounds right now.
But it was legit, the most legit way to level up and get
visibility promotions. There were companies that I worked at who were like, we
want to have this many Microsoft certified people on our staff so we can get
discounts to the server software. And so they had programs like that. So
yeah, when I was doing it at the university, I have computer engineering
degree and so yeah, we started off with Java. You mentioned Java,
but yeah, it was the same deal, right, I was a part
time student, but if I went and got my certification, I pretty much
had a guaranteed job, right yeah. And you know with systems engineering and
those certifications, the MCSE Microsoft Certified Systems Engineer was such like the big credential.
Oh yeah, time, Like, what is the equivalent body of knowledge
of that these days? Do you have any idea, like is it like
DevOps but like something more specific? I don't know. I mean back in
the day it was the MCSE, or you could go get the RHC,
which was the Red Hat Certified Engineer, you get your CCNA, which was
the Cisco Certified Network Administrator. Those were the ones that they were talking about
back then. I don't know if they really have that level of certification now,
and especially where a lot more of it has moved to open source systems
like Kubernetes and you know, cloud Foundry and things like that. I don't
know that they're really certifications that are in any way official on those. But
you can certify on like AWS, right they have an AWS certification or I
wouldn't be shocked if Microsoft has an Azure certification because at their conferences they have
free you can go take the cert test for free oh at build and ignite.
So yeah, you know, for the particular clouds, I can see
that that's kind of probably the closest thing at this point. Yeah yeah,
well yeah, I mean different, different industry trends come and go. But
you know, for for all the haters of certifications out there, it was
certainly useful at a time. I don't really include, not highly visibly anyway,
these certifications on my resume anymore, but I think they're there in a
little call out somewhere, you know that that people are probably not reading.
But but you know, I'll tell you what I enjoyed about it was that
it was like a course of study and solving the problems that your employers and
clients throw at you. I just felt very boxed in by those problems specific
huh. And if you just want to kind of develop your your Bob Ross
painting palette of all the colors that you can use, you know you're going
to have to self study somewhere. And so I appreciated having a systemic way
of self study. Yeah. Well even today, I mean you have plural
site or you know, some of the other course systems out there, right,
and they'll walk you through step by step how to do stuff. You
to me has courses like that. True, true, there's a lot of
that. One interesting thing that I found has almost gone away is the assessment
component. So you can watch it, you can see it, you can
follow along, and I know wrote memory is like, you know, a
frowned upon phrase, but you know, it's kind of useful when something is
right up there in you're nogging, and so like, I don't look at
tests as a way to to shame people or you know, make people feel
like you know, they they don't know it all. But like I find
that, you know, the preparation for a test and the taking of the
test and getting a thing wrong. I don't like to get things wrong.
So when I do a practice test and I get some things wrong, I
like actually go and study that stuff and I remember because you know. So
it's like I kind of think that some of the follow along while I code
kind of course where this is the assessment component. So I actually have like
written real time assessment tools. Like when I was a teacher, I was
like, so, guys, I've been talking at you for months. You've
been building projects. I've seen your projects. I know you know some stuff,
but other than what you actually included in your project, What do you
remember from this course? Just so I know, and also if you didn't
remember it, here's a print out with the links to all the references so
that you can go reference it. I just want to send you away with
more than just your projects, which is probably, in all fairness, you're
going to get the job. But I also want you to be able to
answer some of those interview questions that are a little more knowledge oriented and less
practice oriented. Yeah that makes sense well, and to a certain degree,
if you understand the patterns and you can explain them. You know, that's
not something I mean, you'll see it in their code, but it's different.
You can actually, yeah, break it down and explain it to somebody
else. Yeah. I mean I still copy and paste from stack overflow,
but I like to know a little bit more about what I just pasted in
and why it worked. Yeah, that makes sense. You said you then
transitioned into Ruby. So what was that move like? So this is this
is actually a fun story. There was Oh god, this is a really
fun story. So I was in my last like full time Microsoft dot net
position. I didn't I didn't know what was going to be my last,
but the call to teaching, uh was, uh was was calling me again,
and I don't know, a wanderlust was entering my bones at this time.
And I got a call. You know, I actually put in my
two weeks notice at this Microsoft shop. You know what did it for me?
Share Point? I was done. I'd had enough of SharePoint. I
just could not bear that's funny to code share Point anymore. And uh so
I gave my two weeks notice. And you know, it's kind of awkward,
your final two weeks. You're like you're a lame duck. And I
was trying to wrap things up and trying to kind of teach my coworkers on
my my stuff. And then I got a call U saying that there was
a contract dot net position in a shop that was dot net and Ruby,
and I said, how soon do they want me? They said, how
soon can you start? I said to my boss two weeks? Do you
really do you need me here? Or can I pick up an opportunity?
He said, go ahead, pick up an opportunity. I went stopped at
Sears, Yes, Sears, the good old days. I'm like a dinosaur.
Sears is aren't around anymore. You're not that much older than I am.
No, no, I know, no weird dinosaurs, dude, but
uh uh. And I bought a pre wrapped shirt and tie and a pants
and then went to the contract that afternoon. Oh wow, in those clothes.
That's funny, only to find out that they didn't require that at all.
I mean, they were a Ruby shop in the early days of Ruby.
They just had this one client that was on dot net. So anyway,
there I was a dot net developer outnumbered by all these Ruby devs,
and I was like, what is this Ruby thing you are on? And
would you like to see how good I am at subversion? And they're like,
you haven't heard of get subversion? Man? That brings back memories.
Yeah, and so this is a really neat environment where I had a lot
of people who were just a different breed of software developer, different skill set,
you know, weren't necessarily the college educated, formally certified type, were
really great at building great web products. And so I kind of I said,
I had a crush on Ruby at that time. And yeah, so
that's that's what got me into that. I built an app for me to
learn Ruby. It's a real time player to player chess game. No,
AI just like a board and you can move pieces and I can move pieces,
and I see your moves and you see my moves. So I've kind
of always been into real time because I don't like stuff that needs refreshing stuff.
Yeah, yeah, yeah No. Trello is a nice real time ticket
updating system at Lassie and Jira, I struggle with all the time. They
know it. I have nice conversations with them on Twitter. I send them
support, you know, tickets, and you know we're working on it.
I'm not just a hater. Anyway. I loved real time and I built
like a chess learning app, and my pitch was kind of can I join
the rails team, the Ruby rails team? And then I feel like I
was close to doing that, but things happened at the company. They let
the dot net client go, they let me go, and I was onto
the next thing. That's funny because my first development job I was a Ruby
guy at a dot net shop, and when the Ruby client went away,
they let me go. Oh really yeah nice. So anyway, so actually
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Yeah? Okay, all right, I went pretty well. Yeah, okay
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So Ruby in a dot net shop dot net in a Ruby shop?
Yeah, interesting. It was an interesting kind of crossover time. So where
did you wind up at then with Ruby? And how did you wind up
transitioning to JavaScript? Okay? So Ruby was man, it was fascinating.
It was a lot a lot of learning in retrospect. I was kind of
early in the ruby anrails you know, adoption. How far back were you?
So? I think there had been three or May before rails cops.
Okay, yeah, so I'm not sure exactly on that map. Yeah,
that's what we're talking what twenty ten? Yeah, yeah, maybe maybe I
think it was a little before that actually, because I actually two thousand and
eleven, I ended the three year jobs to two thousand and eight, So
yeah, maybe it's around two thousand and six or seven. I was like
when I was doing some Ruby stuff, and you know, I think I've
always I'm talking to you, Charles, and you're a developer, and I
know that our audiences developers, so I'm over emphasizing the development part of my
life. But like the truth is, like, although I'm very passionate about
development, like I've also been very passionate about like drumming and like music and
stuff. So I think when my Ruby phase hit, I was kind of
just I was very interested at first, and then I was kind of coasting
for a long time. And then there were some really awesome JavaScript developers in
the company that I was doing, Rubiat, and I had kind of overlooked
JavaScript. It was easy to overlook before two thousand and seven. Man,
it was easy because there wasn't even the jQuery type of stuff, like you
were like manually dealing with cross browser stuff, and like back end was like
a place of control and consistency, and I liked that. But I saw
like stuff in JavaScript that yet again blew my mind that I didn't think was
possible. I've been working inside of these class oriented languages, and when I
saw like a function inside of function inside of function, I was like,
why would you do that? It's classes, there's classes, and they have
methods, and methods don't have methods. What are you all thing? Yeah,
And it was such a challenge to my worldview that like I eventually just
had to find out, you know, what was going on. And I
had my chess learning project that had used the knockout JavaScript framework, you know,
which is kind of written by some got net folk, and so I
don't know, it's just it's like it was like, maybe it's time to
look at JavaScript again. And then like a turning point for me was when
so I now kind of left dot net. I was focusing on Ruby with
a little bit of JavaScript, and then this company that I was at around
two thousand and nine twenty ten had said, we think our clients need a
Microsoft Excel ad in, so your options for implementing that are dot net,
and I okay about starting it in dot net, but I wanted to like
reuse styles from the main app so that had the same look and feel,
and I just said, why don't we use a dot net shell and then
do like a browser control and ACTIVECTS control, you know, on the form
so that when they go to the AD and they they're in a web app.
It was just hosted inside of Excel, right and with some dot Net
bindings to talk to Excel, and it worked really fabulously. The team grew,
the clients were happy, the number of clients grew, and I'm like,
you know, JavaScript, you can really kick butt with JavaScript. And
there was a lot that I didn't have to re implement because also, you
know, from two thousand and seven to two thousand and ten, you know,
you're seeing a lot more open source and a lot more like jQuery plugins
and tools. So it's like, why would I turn my back on that
tool kit and all and that community if I could just use that stuff inside
of a Microsoft Excel environment. And so it worked. It worked pretty well,
and so that kind of convinced me that JavaScript was was the thing I
was good at, and that front ends and dealing with all of the timing
concerns and event driven nature of them that just proved to be super super interesting,
and Ruby you don't have this idea of like multiple things going on at
the same time in the same way. Generally, I know, people put
threads. You know, your rails apps don't typically use threads, no,
and you know they instead they use infrastructure. They use reddish sidekill, they
use these outer band things and all those things that you need infrastructure to accomplish.
On the Ruby side, you can do win JavaScript like just like straight
up, like as far as like offlining something, you know, yeah,
getting a callback later, you know, having concurrency. It looks like you
want to challenge that point a little bit, Go right ahead, like,
let's let's talk about it. You're reading me pretty well. No, it's
it's interesting because I remember having this conversation, especially when Node started taking off,
and effectively it wound up being mostly due to the evented model in JavaScript
as opposed to I mean, people were talking about how it had non blocking
io, which Ruby also has. People would bring up a bunch of different
things related to that, but yeah, essentially it was just the way that
Node handled threads and handled callbacks and hand you know, basically slotting in the
different tasks. But you know, people would people misunderstood I think a lot
of times that the multi threadedness of especially no JS, it was still processor
bound and so it was you know, it had some of those same things.
I don't know if they've solved that since then. I still I use
note and I just don't pay attention to that, but m yeah, yeah,
I mean it's definitely a luxury on the front end to not have to
be as concerned about starving other connections, right, And it's also nice,
yes, I agree in JavaScript that yeah you can you can say okay,
do this later, or do this when this come back, or do this
you know, under those circumstances. And yeah, Ruby doesn't have really a
strong native way to do that. Yeah. Now, I did work with
some folks at test double uh huh, and they had the Ruby concurrency library,
right, and Jerry D'Antonio was maintaining it's very cool. I mean,
futures these kinds of abstractions over threads. I think that's really promising on the
Ruby side, and think it shows that like you can work with abstractions that
are at a higher level than threads, and those abstractions look actually very similar
in Ruby and JavaScript, yeah, which to me is a sign that they're
a more robust building block than like rolling your own threads a lot of the
time, it's never yeah, a blanket rule. So well, and they're
working on adding features to the Ruby language itself to allow better concurrency across process
you know, multi core processors and all kinds of stuff. So yeah,
it's definitely an interesting world. But yeah, it's it's there's a multi fronted
battle, right yep. Well, and ultimately it's just down to what tool
is going to get you the job done and save you the most time,
money, effort, resources, is infrastructure, you know, whatever you're measuring.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, So I mean, I know, like
I kind of frame my career mostly in like the technologies yeah, that I've
kind of gone through and how they've motivated that. Maybe to round it out,
like do you have any other like direction I should you know, maybe
talk about what would people want to know about a twenty three year developing a
dinosaur or twenty one or whatever. I don't know, stop coming. Yeah,
it's funny to think about that, you know, it's like, wow,
it's been that long. But I guess kind of one of the things
that I look for in a lot of these is just you know, is
there an overarching theme or lesson that you've noticed, you know, over the
course of your career, right, something that has come up frequently, or
something that you've learned, you know, moving from one technology to the next,
or you know, working with different people and companies on different projects.
You know, I think, yeah, I think I want to talk a
little bit about something that I heard. Uh, there was a motivational speech
by by somebody, well I know who it is, but I'm not trying
to like promote the person, but rather like the idea, you know,
which was that once a person's back was to the wall and they had like
no fallback plan, once they were all in on a thing, that's when
they found the clarity to tackle the challenges in front of them. Right.
And I can definitely say that as a junior developer, and even long after
I've been given the title senior, which we have a little bit of title
inflation in this field. Let's let's let's be honest, because I think I'm
still trying to grow into the senior or the architect. Oh gosh, but
there's a lot that I took for granted that was going on around me,
and it was a sense that I had kind of gotten soft, like I
didn't have my back to the wall anymore. And I don't know why I
felt that or how it came on, but it was. That was when
I decided, just in like twenty fourteen or twenty fifteen, to both be
involved in the community and say that it isn't just my job. It's like,
am I part of this fabric of this very interesting growing community and take
some responsibility on for like I ran a meetup for over twelve months, so
taking on more response stability that my job didn't force me to. And then
also I left my job and became a consultant Denius Solutions Incorporated. Yes that's
my GitHub alias as well, and so I had to sing for my supper
and I had to really find out what it took to make clients happy and
and not be such a technologically minded person but be also like a relationship and
service oriented person. And I'm you know, definitely that's like a growth path
for me. And I don't think it has anything to do with what age
you are or when you start that I happen to work on a team where
I kind of find everyone on the team to already be in that mindset and
that's really awesome, but to take on responsibilities that you that you don't have
to And remember, it's not just about the technology. But I personally do
believe that there's a lot that is about the technology. There are answers,
ye as we're seeing right now. Technology answers certain problems, and the difference
between a good use of technology and a bad one can leave a lot of
problems on the floor in my opinion, So I do care about the technology,
and my growth path for me personally has also been to like care as
much or more about the people. Yep. Yeah, it's interesting. When
I got into programming it and into technology, you know, and got my
first tech jobs, yeah, I was so focused on the technology, and
what I figured out is that, especially as things have gone on and gotten
more complicated, the ultimate hack is people, you know. So if you
can work well with people, if you can communicate well with people, if
you you know, you get along well with people, that that's going to
be the thing that drives you forward. Yeah, you have to have tech
skills, but those other things are really what's going to make things successful.
Yeah. There's an architect that I work with who has said that he's thinking
of becoming a teacher because he feels that he's kind of topped out on the
tech skills right that he can that he can have and and so he and
he's like, I'm gonna, yeah, potentially just move to people. He
wants to teach people tech. And that's also the thing that I was,
you know, I was like, why not I have my tech and teach
it too, right? Absolutely, So I know that you have a little
bit of a time constraint. Before we wrap up, we usually do picks
up. Yeah, do you have some things you want to shout out about
for picks? Uh? Can you go for still? Think of a thing
or two? Yeah? Absolutely, So I need to figure out when this
is going to go out. But because of the whole coronavirus self quarantine kind
of situation that we're in, I've seen a whole bunch of conferences cancel and
a whole bunch of meetups canceled. So I am putting together online conferences and
online meetups so that we can you know, virtual fisbump right and not get
each other sick. Right, Yeah, so you can go find it dev
chat dot tv Slash meetups and dev chat dot tv Slash conferences and you'll be
able to see those. Currently, I just have the JavaScript conference up.
I'm talking to some folks about actually having them sponsor or React Native conference because
chain react got canceled. And then I'm I've got a couple of others like
rails cop got canceled, and so I'm working on putting one together for that,
and then just pulling some others together. I think I'm all so kind
of leaning towards some that I don't know if they're going to have conferences canceled.
But I'm also looking at DevOps dev scops, which is security focused,
agile development. I think I already mentioned soft skills have a soft Skill summit,
and yeah, just put some stuff out there, because you know,
I've heard rumors that there's a medication out there that went through a trial that
looks like it'll help people. You know, it cures coronavirus. But I
don't know how long it's going to take to get out there. I don't
know if after so many trials we're going to find that it's you know,
only so effective for only so many kinds of people or what, and so
I just want to make sure there's stuff out there. The online meetups,
I'm just going to do one a month or two a month, sorry,
for each community. And what I'm doing is I'm doing one in the morning
mountain time and one in the evening mountain time. And what that does is
it opens things up so that if you're in Asia, you can get up
a little bit early in the morning and join the afternoon US time one,
or if you're in Asia the one I'm doing in the morning, or not
Asia, Europe, sorry, Europe, Israel, Africa, those kinds of
time zones, it'll wind up being in the afternoon or evening for you.
And that way, yeah, we can kind of do that. So I'm
gonna be reaching out to folks and seeing if I can get people to come
and just do a twenty minute presentation, get a couple of those in there,
and then just find a way to facilitate some interaction some chit chat there.
So what we'll probably do is allow people to raise their hands. We'll
actually invite them into the call, so it'll pop up a little thing and
it'll say can we use your video and microphone? And then They'll be part
of the conversation for five or ten minutes, so they can ask questions,
they can jump in on whatever conversation we're having, and then we'll just rotate
people through and that way people can get some of that interaction. Because I
feel like the community needs to be able to come together and I'm not seeing
any other better options. So yeah, well that's being an entrepreneur starting something
to fill a need. I you know that that. That's kind of my
my pick right now too, is is look around for for needs. Yeah,
and use whatever skills you have, whatever compassion and heart you have to
fill those needs. As bad as any one of us has it, there's
there's somebody who has it worse. Yeah, and uh yeah, I think
about the healthcare workers and so I have seen Okay, so here's one.
I don't know how immediately actionable this is going to be, but I would
say looking for opportunities like these, there is an uh open source, uh
create a ventilator, uh hacked day, hacket day. I think it is.
So the uh yeah, the idea of kind of crowdsourcing needs is pretty
interesting. So and even in a simpler way, I'll say that there was
something on the news last night where some people just donated a bunch of meals
to hospital workers. Hospital workers are if this is a war, they're like
on the front line, and so yeah, just kind of like conveying your
your thoughts and prayers, but any actions you can towards towards the people who
are on the front line. Hackaday, you found it awesome. Yep.
Yeah, just on that note too. I mean I've seen Facebook groups pop
up, at least in my area where people were saying, hey, if
you have extra medication this that you know that people might need, right,
post it here. If you need you know, any you know, diapers,
whatever, right and you can't find them in this store, or you
can't go to the store because you're you know, you're at risk, post
it here, right. And I mean people have been dropping stuff off at
other people's houses that they don't even know, Like they just leave it on
the porch. You know, I got you, It'll be there in twenty
minutes. It shows up in twenty minutes. And that kind of stuff is
just awesome. And so whether it's calling your elderly neighbor and making sure that
they're okay and that they don't need anything that you can go to the store
for them if you're not at risk, or just anything like that. I
mean, there's so many people doing so many great things to just take care
of each other and not really caring about all of the idiotic stuff or seemingly
idiotic stuff that we all argue and scream at each other about on Twitter.
It doesn't matter anymore, at least in these circumstances. It's just they have
a need, I can help, and we just take care of each other.
Yeah. Yeah, to the coronavirus, we all just look like a
bunch of pink lungs. Yep. So people have been doing online music and
education stuff, so that's also a pick of mine, like a shout out
to all the people who are just doing what they do online for the benefit
of everybody else, teachers and artists and stuff like that. So I could
play us out, Yeah, do it all right. This one is called
water Bound, but it kind of is more like home Bound at this point.
There's no words. It's just a little ditty, So feel free to
talk over it and you know, fade us out in the edit. Okay,
it's all good. I'm just gonna listen. What Okay, I'm like
all nervous or whatever. There's there's lyrics. Let me try that again,
but the lyrics go water. I can't get home, water, get home.
Okay, I'm nervous. It's all good, all right, well,
thank you, thank you for coming and talking to me. And yeah,
I really love the thoughts that you're putting out there as far as just yeah,
what can we do you too? All right, well, we'll go
ahead and wrap this up, folks, and until next time. Max out
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