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cool, so so make sure to
check that out. Today's show is an

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interview with Congressman Andy Ogles, now
Cargressman Ogles was super kind to stick around

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while we were having technical difficulties.
Sometimes Zoom is an unforgiving application, and

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that was the case in this time. But Carnishman Ougle stuck around and so

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the episode is a little bit shorter, which is why I wanted to record

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an introduction here, because we still
felt that it was important to bring the

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interview us. It's a really interesting
one. It's a newsy one. Carnishman

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Ouggles has actually introduced articles of impeachment
against both President Biden and Vice President Harris.

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He's also a member of the Freedom
Caucus, and there are a lot

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of interesting dynamics at play in the
Freedom Caucus right now here in Washington,

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DC. It's, you know,
it seems like inside baseball, and I

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think sometimes, you know, focusing
on it too much can be inside baseball.

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But actually Politico is just reported today
that that Check Schumer is ready to

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ramp up his legislative approach and wants
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working up by partisan stuff. And
by partisan is always a code word in

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DC for corrupt, I shouldn't say
always corrupt or grift or words that come

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to mind. Sometimes is great by
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if both parties are working together,
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on is making lobbyists and industry and
any special interest money. So bipartisan is

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always just a red flag for me
and Chuck Schumer said he's ready to ramp

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up his approach to passing legislation through
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inevitably go over to the lower chamber
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up on President Biden's desk. And
the one force really keeping the Speaker of

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the House in check right now is
the Freedom Caucus. And they're very powerful

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and they need to wield their power. And Chris and I, obviously Bedford

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the Big Bee shout out to listener
Gregory who gave him that wonderful nickname,

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have talked about this before. What
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it? And the Freedom Caucus right
now, you know, if you're a

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political junkie, you're watching that and
you are salivating because just from the sort

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of art of politics, it's fascinating
how they've wielded their power. How that

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compares with the justice to Democrats under
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the Banner era, Conservatives under the
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go back even further than that into
American history and it's all very interesting.

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But it also actually is very immediately
relevant because it's going to affect legislation that

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passes or does not pass over the
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six months or so. And that's
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super interesting to get a glimpse anytime
he can get a glimpse into the dynamics

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of the Freedom Caucus. I think
it's very interesting and worthwhile. So I

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talked to the congressman about that.
I talked about his articles of impeachment.

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And he represents a Nashville district in
Tennessee. There's so much interesting stuff happening

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in Tennessee now, some of which
we've we've covered here. So his perspective

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is definitely worth a listen. So
appreciate him hanging on the line while we

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worked out problems with zoom, But
we also wanted to make sure that we

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at this interview to you guys.
Um, we've got so much good stuff

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coming up in the future. UM, a lot of a lot of good

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conversations on the that I've I've already
had because I pre tape a good chunk

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of these. Um, that's a
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case you've probably noticed this. Uh, some of these are pre taped because

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people have books coming out, for
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interview out on the day the book
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out, And so we have a
lot of good ones ready to go and

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I'm eager for you all to hear
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moment to really appreciate everybody listening.
Um, It's just means the world to

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me. It means the world to
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UM. But also it just it
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UM that you you take the time
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work. And we obviously think it's
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if you're talking politics in that context, whatever it is. You know,

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what you say at the school board
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all that good stuff. Um.
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it. I can speak for my
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and dig up some really interesting stuff. So it's just greatly appreciated. And

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I just wanted to give a little
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because this is a great opportunity.
There's there's no bad opportunity to do that,

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but um it, it is so
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kind to myself and to Molly and
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us. So as always, thanks
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with Congressman Indioguls. Thanks for having
me. It's you know, it's a

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crazy time at Washington. There's a
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it wasn't tough tech difficulties, So
I just want to say we're extra appreciative

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of a congressman sticking around for that. But you also recently introduced articles of

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impeachment not just against President Joe Biden, but also against Vice President Kamala Harris,

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and Congressman wanted to get you to
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on what grounds you believe they're the
president and the vice president should be impeached.

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And a little bit about why you
decided to introduce those articles a great

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question. I think. To answer
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backdrop, right, and so in
the context of you know, whether you

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like Donald Trump or you don't like
Donald Trump, that doesn't matter if you

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have a former president who's not just
being frostated to being persecuted by the Justice

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Department. And that's that's a scary
precedent to set, whether you're a Republican

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or Democrat or independent. And so
part of it is to send a message

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that enough is enough. We're gonna
hold people are accountable based off of facts

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and on crimes that rise to the
level that they're being huged. The other

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part of that and for appeaching Harris
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So to go back in history again
looking at the backdrop. Under the

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Obamba administration, a thousand crossing migrant
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was a crisis moment, right,
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Under the Biden administration, with Harris
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we're hitting two hundred and fifty to
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what's happened is is every small town
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Finnel is sweeping through our streets of
killing or compositing our kids. I mean

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virtually everyone you can talk to is
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so understand ending that back drop,
and then get into Biden himself and you

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look at the money and the payments
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in the Oversight Committee, etc.
It's time that we send a message to

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the American people there's not a two
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and everybody's going to be created equally. We got to get back to that

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because that is the root of our
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the protections and security that we all
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Yeah, you've mentioned that the Biden
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to shield himself from investigation. And
obviously we're talking in the week the hunter

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Biden news that he basically got a
slap on the risk for some very obvious

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charges and probably wasn't charged with some
other various very obvious things. But can

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you tell us a little bit about
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itself and in your articles as well. Yeah, I mean, you know,

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in life, we're always looking at
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know, what's going on as you're
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if it's if it's a business,
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If you're law enforcements the talipule or
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about weaponization of the justice system.
Look, you had actors and just average

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run of the middle people go to
jail for similar crimes, but because he's

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connected to the president, he's being
treated differently. And again that that speaks

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to the fact that we now have
a two tiered justice system in this country,

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and that's not going to work.
You know, political retributions by way

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of prosecutions didn't work in Rome,
it didn't work under the British Empire.

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It's not going to work in the
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hold the republic, and so we've
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from a political standpoint, this is
why Republicans have to hold the House in

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twenty four. We've got to win
the Senate in twenty four and the White

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House because we do need to quite
frankly urge the bureaucracy of those who are

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there to be actable versus implementing their
mission statement, their core mission of justice

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where everyone is equal in front of
the law. We did an episode of

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the show shortly after the disappointing debt
negotiations, thinking about you, what good

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is power if you don't wield it? For you just ends and wanted to

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toss that over your way because you
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I know that it's probably not first
and foremost on your constituents minds when they

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wake up every day. You know, as the House of Representatives functioning in

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a constitutional sense, but you know
that all those policy priorities are obviously downstream

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of how the House is functioning.
So, now that the debt negotiations are

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in the rearview mirror, the speaker
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How do you rate Speaker McCarthy's handling
of the conference? Not an easy job

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by any stretch of the imagination,
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the Freedom Caucus itself, which you're
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as well, and so big question
a lot to point. So what I'll

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say is I'll rate you aren't these
ability and the job he's done to United

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the defense, it's quite remulkable because
like you said, you do have multiple

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factions, you have a variety of
volts across the kind of the political affecting

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of me being on the more conservative
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negotiations, I was incredibly disappointed.
I think we could have gotten more.

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In fact, I'll say, I
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you know, I go back to
you know when we talk about the roles

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pactags and why that's significant and my
regular order is so important is over the

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last two decades, a lot of
the power and function of the House representatives,

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they've really been concentrated in the Speaker's
office and within leadership. And what

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we wanted to do is rent that
back to rank and file members. I

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mean, someone like me. I'm
not a chairman, I'm not a cardinal

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cardinaler, and those folks and appropriations
that control money, like I have a

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voice. I would represent my constituents. I can offer an amendment to cut

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spending to do things that my constituents
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And I go back to John Quincy
Adam, you know, nerve of the

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founding fathers. He was a he's
a member of the House, he was

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a senator, he was an ambassador
president. And I have of faith and

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retire back to the House of Representatives. Why because it was his most unloved

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chamber. It was the raucous chamber, and it was where you argued and

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debated and did the people's work.
Because you know, we're elected every two

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years. And so I'm up here. I'm doing a good job, and

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I hope God before my confessionals and
say, look, this is what I've

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done, and you can take it. You can like it, and you

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cannot like it. But I'm here
before you to be judged. And so

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John Quincy Adams, you know,
I expect the House to be a little

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bit raucous. We're supposed to argue
in debate because at the end of the

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day, iron sharp's iron, and
we're striving for the best outcome. And

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I don't care who you are.
I mean, all the polling shows Republican

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or Democrats. Everybody recognizes that Congress
has broken and our spendings out of control,

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and we've got to write this ship
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number one anymore? Sometimes it takes
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to fix it. Between parental rights
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wherever you get your podcasts. Yeah, you've been even involved in the broader

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conservative movement for a while. I
believe you work for doctor Laugher, doctor

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Art Laugher, the Flaffer Center,
And can you tell us a little bit

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from your perspective about how this sort
of current moment in the conservative movement and

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the Republican Party compares with the Tea
Party moment Is this a continuation the sort

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of populism that you see from the
Freedom Caucus and others? Is this a

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continuation of the Tea Party movement?
Do you feel that, you know,

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pushing for the debt ceiling, which
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the pages of twenty twenty eleven,
do you feel as though that is a

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continuation of a prioriation of that sort
of conservative uprising in the country. How

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do the two moments compare. Yeah, you know, I think the Tea

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Party movement was kind of a flashpoint
where we kind of had it, had

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specific action items, and I think
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consider ourselves kind of an activists or
Tea Party esque, we joined and became

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very active within the Republican Party in
order to write that ship. Because we're

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Republican parties have kind of drifted away
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my opinion, and so here we
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And when I say to the right, I'm a more conservative. And

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I would argue when you look at
the twenty of us that fought for the

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Rules package, when we look at
the Freedom Caucus as a whole. You

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know, we've moved the conference to
a more a more conservative position. There's

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a lot of work to be done
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I think from a spending level.
You know, I always like in the

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Yorks autonomy to the Titanic, the
big shift. It turns slowly, and

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if we know there's a collision ahead, and if we don't make course corrections,

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we are going to crash and the
outcome is going to be catastrophic.

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And so what are we going to
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on the horizon, you know it's
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And I don't think we've done enough
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going to keep fighting as our colleagues, and we'll see what we can do.

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With the American people. Nashville is
obviously a changing place right now,

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like many big cities in the South
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and the Culture War has touched every
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wanted to ask, especially with the
influx of business, the influx of people

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from out of state New York,
LA. I imagine you see that every

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day in the Nashville area. How
that is playing out in the clash of

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sort of culture where you have a
very conservative area that is changing pretty quickly.

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Is this affecting your constituents. Is
this affecting the way that some of

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these big cultural questions like for instance, what books are in school libraries and

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what books obviously should not be in
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Yeah, that's a great question,
because you have seen a huge influx of

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folks moving to Tennessee and Florida and
somebody your more red conservative state. But

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what I'll say is, so my
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numbers, is about a third urban, which would be the natural portion,

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about a third suburban, which are
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the east of Nashville, and then
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So I would argue, if if
you're from California and you're moving out

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to the country where I live,
you're a clause of rednet if you just

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figured it out, which is why
you moved right now. For those people

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that are probably seeking out in downtown
Nashville, that's probably a mixed bag that

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I'll say you both from the Left
Coast or New Jersey New York or wherever,

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and they moved to Tennessee like they're
they're militantly conservative, especially on the

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fiscal issues and on some of the
social stuff that may be a little bit

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different. But that being said,
my experiences, all those folks understand and

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realize that, look, when you
look at some of the transgender issues,

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let's keep our children, Let's let
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they can make up their own decisions. Then they can be exposed to some

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of that material in making formed decisions. Right, And Tennessee from a broader

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perspective on a policy standpoint, and
the Tennessee General Assembly is quite conservative and

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they're really the ones that step of
telling as far as what books are going

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to be into schools, etc.
Yeah, just I know you have to

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run. So last question. You've
been involved on the economic side of the

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policy movement on the right for a
while and there's a lot of talk about

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visit the conservative movement need to shift
the way that approach approaches economics. Are

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there, you know, different different
questions that need to be asked when it

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comes to fiscal responsibility versus government.
Where you land on that, I mean,

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Senator Vans on the Senate side has
a rail bill that has put them

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on odds with for instance Senator Cruise
and definitely industry. Um, how do

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you see this conversation evolving on the
right. Do you think that the right

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needs to rethink perhaps some of us
approach us to that those big questions about

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labor and uh, you know the
government versus Marcus. Yeah, no,

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you know again that's a big question. We could talk about that for hours.

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But I think we kind of reach
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you know, we're no longer planning
for what are they look like?

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And what do you do when you
kind of hit that crisis point that that

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when you hit critical massive too much
that we're there we get that point right,

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And so I mean at this point, you know, I'm all about

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cutting the budget and offer budget etcetera
for holding the line on spending. But

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the reality is when you look at
on that Bertie huge trillion, there's not

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enough money to balance that budget.
There's the only way to to fix this

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is to grow our way out.
Some of it get gets back to this

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idea we've got to get in government
out of the way of commerce, and

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we must be energy independence. We've
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And this is the other thing.
This little negative information is for those that

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are like kind of anti fossil fuels
and they talk about greenhouse emissions and all

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this other stuff. You know,
the United States produces the cleanest energy,

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oil gas, and natural gas in
the world, and if we were really

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serious about cutting carbon emissions, we
would make sure that our natural gas was

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being used in Europe, not natural
gas from other countries, because it would

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cut emission by some crazy number.
It's about like sixty. Because our energy,

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our production, we hold ourselves to
a different standard. It's just cleaner.

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So again, we've got to be
energy. We've got to leak the

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nation economically on the resource stands time, and we can't be beholding the folds

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like the ce some p that you
literally want to see us fall and kneel

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before then. I'm not going to
let that happen. I'll continue to fight,

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and I'll fight to my last bread. The Congressman Andy Ogles represents Tennessee's

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fifth district. We really appreciate your
time, Congressman, thanks so much,

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absolutely, thank you. Of course, even listening to another edition of the

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Federal Radio Hour, I'm Elijahnski,
culture editor here at The Federalist, will

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be back soon with more. Until
then, be lovers of freedom and anxious

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for the fray, all right,