1 00:00:00,760 --> 00:00:06,559 You're listening to the Paranormal UK Radio Network. The best in paranormal talk radio 2 00:00:06,799 --> 00:00:10,800 in the UK and around the world has brought to you an association with the 3 00:00:10,839 --> 00:00:17,160 Paranormal UK Radio Network. JOW hosts Ronald and philipkins Seller. Today we speak 4 00:00:17,199 --> 00:00:21,039 with the author Steve Atridge about his book god Rod, Stewart and Me, 5 00:00:21,559 --> 00:00:27,039 along with the views of the Aliens and also the controversial New World Order. 6 00:00:27,879 --> 00:00:49,920 You're listening to the Paranormal UK Radio Network. Hello, is such the famous 7 00:00:50,000 --> 00:00:56,759 of Stoloma, Sir Patrick Moore, it is very much sill any news on 8 00:00:56,840 --> 00:01:04,400 the space front. Irol Enough has just designed and developed five gigantic state of 9 00:01:04,439 --> 00:01:10,519 the art rocket ships. All members have parlowed along with the American Senate, 10 00:01:10,920 --> 00:01:15,359 have first craft tickets of all them. You'll see they're told they're going to 11 00:01:15,439 --> 00:01:22,599 the moon. Told where isn't flatly are they're going, Sir Patrick? The 12 00:01:22,680 --> 00:02:07,039 new normally discovered recently asnomicy, a fuled flack hole. Hi Steve, and 13 00:02:07,080 --> 00:02:10,840 welcome to Twin Souls. It's an honor to have you on board. Thank 14 00:02:10,879 --> 00:02:14,840 you, Hide by Ronald Hyphilip. It's lovely, lovely to be here. 15 00:02:15,520 --> 00:02:19,400 I think, yes, yes, that's right, and of course we've we've 16 00:02:19,439 --> 00:02:23,400 gone through a list of accomplishments that you have achieved throughout your life for scriptwriter, 17 00:02:23,960 --> 00:02:27,840 an author, I mean, you name it, filming, you've been 18 00:02:27,840 --> 00:02:30,560 there and you've done it. But we are here to talk a little bit 19 00:02:30,560 --> 00:02:35,120 about your new book that's been released. God Rod Stewart anime. It's a 20 00:02:35,199 --> 00:02:38,520 memoir. It's because we were going to buy it, but it's just about 21 00:02:38,599 --> 00:02:43,000 your life. It is, it's it's it's it's a memoir. I didn't 22 00:02:43,080 --> 00:02:46,840 assume that anyone would be particularly interested in, you know, the whole damn 23 00:02:46,960 --> 00:02:53,000 thing of my life. So what I did was I chose three years from 24 00:02:53,240 --> 00:02:58,360 in my late teens, when you know, quite frankly, I was reckless 25 00:02:58,800 --> 00:03:02,599 and I lived life absolutely to the full, and I tasted all kinds of 26 00:03:02,800 --> 00:03:07,800 forbidden fruits. And do I regret it, not not one iota. But 27 00:03:08,199 --> 00:03:13,759 I thought, what I can do is I can make these incidents and these 28 00:03:13,759 --> 00:03:19,599 events and these years into a series of vignettes and hopefully interesting little stories. 29 00:03:20,080 --> 00:03:23,680 So because I always feel slightly how bident about memoirs, you know, it's 30 00:03:23,759 --> 00:03:28,400 not that I'm I'm kind of trumpeting myself so much as I think these are 31 00:03:28,479 --> 00:03:35,039 interesting experiences, and I treated each one like a short story. And I 32 00:03:35,039 --> 00:03:38,560 mean I did pack a lot of experiences those years in terms of I mean 33 00:03:38,599 --> 00:03:44,879 I flirted with every religion there was going and those those those years in certainly 34 00:03:44,879 --> 00:03:49,240 in London were as we're just full of everyone, you know, Sorry, 35 00:03:49,280 --> 00:03:53,000 Krishna's on one corner was the Maharishi, there were there were there were zen 36 00:03:53,159 --> 00:03:59,120 things going on. Alan Watts was becoming the GURUSO was, and so I 37 00:03:59,199 --> 00:04:02,400 flirted with them all and some of them got me into into serious trouble. 38 00:04:04,039 --> 00:04:11,680 Didn't. But when I needed money, I worked for Parks and Recreation in 39 00:04:11,759 --> 00:04:15,199 North London, and what I didn't realize was the Parks and Recreation was like 40 00:04:15,439 --> 00:04:23,279 a care in the community scheme for highly distressed and disturbed people. So things 41 00:04:23,319 --> 00:04:28,800 that happened there were I mean quite extraordinary, you know. And I mean, 42 00:04:28,920 --> 00:04:31,360 for example, I was working with someone at the back of a clinic 43 00:04:32,160 --> 00:04:40,199 and we were clearing briers and nettles and we found a dead body that was 44 00:04:40,240 --> 00:04:44,199 sitting up and had been there a long time. So I wanted to call 45 00:04:44,240 --> 00:04:46,240 the police, but the guy was working with said, I think we should 46 00:04:46,279 --> 00:04:50,360 get to know him first, and so we had this bizarre half an hour 47 00:04:50,639 --> 00:04:59,800 we were sitting talking to this kind of partly skeletal body before the before anyone. 48 00:05:00,439 --> 00:05:04,600 And when I look back on that, I thought that was that was 49 00:05:04,680 --> 00:05:10,839 very bizarre. But then then I sort of won a competition and the prize 50 00:05:11,079 --> 00:05:15,480 was to go to the States and meet Rod Steward, and I was, 51 00:05:15,800 --> 00:05:17,720 you know, I was a very young man and I loved pop culture, 52 00:05:18,439 --> 00:05:20,959 and I thought I may never go to the States again. So I left 53 00:05:20,959 --> 00:05:26,759 my job and went there. And they had a manager at the time called 54 00:05:26,800 --> 00:05:30,000 Billy gaff And, and I just got on well with him. So he 55 00:05:30,079 --> 00:05:33,439 signed me on for the tour and he said, I'm not going to pay 56 00:05:33,519 --> 00:05:36,879 you, but all your hotel bills will be paid, you'll be fed, 57 00:05:38,600 --> 00:05:41,120 and you'll get a bit of pocket money. And I said, but what 58 00:05:41,160 --> 00:05:43,879 do I do? You know, I don't know anything about getting in rock 59 00:05:43,920 --> 00:05:46,920 and roll. And he said, your job is very important. You sit 60 00:05:46,000 --> 00:05:51,240 on stage with a bucket of vice and six bottles of blue Nun wine and 61 00:05:51,279 --> 00:05:55,600 you just hand it to the band when they're thirsty. So for the next 62 00:05:55,639 --> 00:06:00,199 month I just sat on stage ending out bottles of that. There were just 63 00:06:00,360 --> 00:06:04,439 fun things like that, and I tried not to pull any punches. But 64 00:06:04,879 --> 00:06:10,480 what I do hope is that it's a fun and entertaining read. And it 65 00:06:10,519 --> 00:06:13,759 does get a bit tragic at the end where I did get into trouble in 66 00:06:15,240 --> 00:06:20,759 with myself really always a victim of my own misfortunes. But it was I 67 00:06:20,839 --> 00:06:24,800 was surprised that someone published it, but I was very glad that they did. 68 00:06:25,319 --> 00:06:29,279 And you know, i've i'm I have hopes for it. Yeah, 69 00:06:29,399 --> 00:06:31,680 I really enjoyed doing it. Yeah. So I think when you when you 70 00:06:31,839 --> 00:06:36,680 take a trip down memory lane, it's amazing, you know, because each 71 00:06:36,680 --> 00:06:41,399 and every one of us more or less has something to say, you know. 72 00:06:42,199 --> 00:06:46,600 But the dead body you found, I'm, oh my god, I'll 73 00:06:46,680 --> 00:06:47,680 talking to it. But there again, you were getting acquainted. But it 74 00:06:47,720 --> 00:06:50,480 was a nice thing to do. It was a touching thing to do before 75 00:06:50,519 --> 00:06:55,680 he was taken away. So I think that's high, beautiful, very poetic. 76 00:06:55,920 --> 00:06:59,399 If that's I've never heard of that in my life. So that in 77 00:06:59,480 --> 00:07:02,519 itself, you know, you weren't working for Dr Frankenstein and we like that, 78 00:07:02,600 --> 00:07:08,680 so it was quite so. I think Also the Rod's Stewart part, 79 00:07:08,759 --> 00:07:12,920 I think a lot of people will find fascinating because you are very much accomplished 80 00:07:13,000 --> 00:07:16,879 and an intellect and a lot of the work that you've achieved so much and 81 00:07:16,920 --> 00:07:20,800 I think it's wonderful that you're able to incorporate most of your experiences into a 82 00:07:20,800 --> 00:07:25,279 book that other people can relash in, you know, because you know how 83 00:07:25,279 --> 00:07:29,480 many people get to do what you've done in life basically, But not only 84 00:07:29,560 --> 00:07:33,399 that, and not only the the films and the television and all the scripts 85 00:07:33,439 --> 00:07:39,360 and everything you've done. You're also a passionate advocate for the truth and that's 86 00:07:39,399 --> 00:07:44,160 what we see most of the time with your talks on YouTube about your strong 87 00:07:44,279 --> 00:07:48,040 held beliefs, which absolutely and I've got to say here really hit home with 88 00:07:48,120 --> 00:07:51,680 a lot of people. And of course there's a truth. It's the truth 89 00:07:51,839 --> 00:07:55,959 that's right. And this is where you I mean, are you going to 90 00:07:56,000 --> 00:08:00,160 write a book also about all of your thoughts about how you see the way 91 00:08:00,199 --> 00:08:03,439 that the structured system is trying to take control over all of us? Steve, 92 00:08:03,519 --> 00:08:07,800 Yes, Yeah, I have got a book on the boil based on 93 00:08:07,839 --> 00:08:13,000 some of the things that I that I've done on YouTube, and it has 94 00:08:13,040 --> 00:08:18,120 been an interesting journey because I'm sure you you will appreciate that, and people 95 00:08:18,120 --> 00:08:20,720 who listen to you. But it has certainly and I don't I don't say 96 00:08:20,720 --> 00:08:26,160 this in any mock heroic way, but it has certainly cost me. I've 97 00:08:26,199 --> 00:08:31,560 certainly been canceled a lot professionally, in fact once in the past month, 98 00:08:33,159 --> 00:08:39,080 and and and sometimes personally, you know, put personal friends. But and 99 00:08:39,240 --> 00:08:41,559 I have had one or two people say to me, you should just stop 100 00:08:41,600 --> 00:08:46,120 doing this because you know you've lost so much work in the past five or 101 00:08:46,120 --> 00:08:48,440 ten years. But then perhaps like yourselves, but I think, well, 102 00:08:50,159 --> 00:08:52,399 it's me I have to wake up with every morning, and I don't want 103 00:08:52,440 --> 00:08:58,440 to be get to the end of my life and think, okay, I 104 00:08:58,480 --> 00:09:01,320 did okay, But I never put my head above the parapet and I never 105 00:09:03,080 --> 00:09:05,559 I never said what I never said what I thought the truth was, because 106 00:09:05,559 --> 00:09:11,759 I just want to know what's going on, and I think there's it is 107 00:09:11,799 --> 00:09:13,360 a strange world we live. And I was thinking very much of you two 108 00:09:13,799 --> 00:09:16,200 a couple of weeks ago, when I don't know if you called them, 109 00:09:16,200 --> 00:09:22,919 but I spent a long time listening online to the the hearings in the American 110 00:09:22,000 --> 00:09:30,679 Senate and all about UFOs and what was really interesting to me were that this 111 00:09:30,879 --> 00:09:37,320 stemmed from very conservative, straight whistleblowers in the Special Forces and stuff. So 112 00:09:37,519 --> 00:09:41,919 there was rather these priven characters sitting there, but they were prepared to tell 113 00:09:41,919 --> 00:09:46,679 the truth. You know, they have found non human materials and non human 114 00:09:46,879 --> 00:09:52,000 remains, and you know this this is now in the public domain, and 115 00:09:52,039 --> 00:09:56,720 so you know, things like that do give me a little bit of of 116 00:09:56,759 --> 00:10:03,159 hope that at least questions are being asked. But yes, yeah, it's 117 00:10:03,200 --> 00:10:07,240 it's it's been. It's been very tricky, but I do feel driven to 118 00:10:07,240 --> 00:10:11,960 do it, and I feel compelled to do it. And I think it's 119 00:10:11,000 --> 00:10:16,240 because you don't feel part of a community. I don't know if you do, 120 00:10:16,440 --> 00:10:18,960 but I've I've lost my sense of a place in the world and a 121 00:10:20,000 --> 00:10:24,799 place in the community. So it's it's mostly living in the theater of your 122 00:10:24,840 --> 00:10:30,759 own imagination and hopefully a few friends and having contact with people like yourselves. 123 00:10:31,200 --> 00:10:35,200 You know, That's where I get my sense of belonging from now. And 124 00:10:35,240 --> 00:10:39,519 I just wish there were more more out there doing that, because yeah, 125 00:10:39,600 --> 00:10:43,600 it's a very it's it's a very tricky world. I think I was going 126 00:10:43,679 --> 00:10:48,759 to say, indeed, it is because as we consume we've noted that this 127 00:10:48,960 --> 00:10:52,480 thing a simple example, we have noted and we we're just ordinary guys. 128 00:10:52,480 --> 00:10:56,279 Well we can see what's going on with the acand with the news. I 129 00:10:56,399 --> 00:11:03,519 simple think it's artificial intelligence. Now this is not a reality, because artificial 130 00:11:03,559 --> 00:11:09,000 intelligence denotes thinking, conscious concept. But we now see from that, and 131 00:11:09,039 --> 00:11:15,399 that's only a small element of the propaganda being used. For blame is that 132 00:11:15,440 --> 00:11:18,559 they're promoting this heavily, this AI stuff. Everything is referred to as artificial 133 00:11:18,559 --> 00:11:22,559 intelligence, but that's in itself as a deception because there's no such thing as 134 00:11:22,600 --> 00:11:26,759 AI. They are algorithms, the programs. So the only reason why they're 135 00:11:26,799 --> 00:11:31,679 doing is Philip and I worked this out. I think perhaps many people might 136 00:11:31,720 --> 00:11:35,039 have thought about it. It's the fact that when they're plumping this up, 137 00:11:35,120 --> 00:11:41,600 this ideology of a super monstrous consciousness as controlling things when something goes wrong, 138 00:11:41,679 --> 00:11:45,720 well not wrong to plan. I think you know what I mean by that 139 00:11:46,039 --> 00:11:50,039 they can blame the super consciousness. Are not those instigating this agenda or some 140 00:11:50,120 --> 00:11:54,799 kind of control agenda. It's nasty, and this is only a segment of 141 00:11:54,840 --> 00:12:01,080 the propaganda we face today. Yeah, absolutely, I mean this this new, 142 00:12:01,360 --> 00:12:05,960 this new chat thing that people are using that's caused such a furory in 143 00:12:07,000 --> 00:12:11,600 the States, and writers and actors have gone on strike because the chat software 144 00:12:11,720 --> 00:12:16,200 is being used to write scripts. And for example, last year, I 145 00:12:16,240 --> 00:12:22,960 was mentoring a couple of young scriptwriters and they both stopped because they found this, 146 00:12:22,159 --> 00:12:24,600 as you say, it's not artificial intelligence, really, but this piece 147 00:12:24,639 --> 00:12:31,799 of software could mentor them the same for using And I did say to them, 148 00:12:31,840 --> 00:12:33,200 you know, you know the next step this is, this is going 149 00:12:33,240 --> 00:12:37,120 to say to you, why are you even bothering to write? Because I 150 00:12:37,120 --> 00:12:41,279 can write a better script than you can. And it's going in that direction. 151 00:12:41,440 --> 00:12:46,120 And I was also thinking, and I spoke to a psychologist about this 152 00:12:46,200 --> 00:12:54,559 about the use of how it's going to invade personal lives because he was interested 153 00:12:54,639 --> 00:13:01,559 in the idea of people are going to look for partners in in robots and 154 00:13:01,559 --> 00:13:07,200 and my instant response was, what do you tell someone you're very close to? 155 00:13:07,600 --> 00:13:11,000 You tell them your secrets, you know, you exchange really personal information. 156 00:13:11,279 --> 00:13:16,480 So these things, if it gets to that, are going to be 157 00:13:16,519 --> 00:13:22,240 able to build a network of not only everyone's data and the stuff of their 158 00:13:22,240 --> 00:13:26,879 lives, but also their deepest fantasies and their deepest thoughts and that becomes that 159 00:13:26,879 --> 00:13:33,039 that becomes an interesting kind of dystopian view of the world. Really, I 160 00:13:33,080 --> 00:13:41,759 think that that's that's that's happening and increase that recent Tony Blair Institute conference that 161 00:13:41,759 --> 00:13:48,080 he had, which was somebody said it was like American politics visiting the UK. 162 00:13:48,879 --> 00:13:54,600 His his vision now has gone beyond global globalization to high tech and apparently 163 00:13:54,720 --> 00:13:58,600 that's you know, he wants to be the high priest of that, and 164 00:13:58,200 --> 00:14:05,480 that is exactly it's having a controlling nerve center that has everyone's health data, 165 00:14:05,600 --> 00:14:07,720 for example, on it. And his view is that this is a benign 166 00:14:07,799 --> 00:14:11,960 thing. But it's it's it's just it's just all well dressed up in other 167 00:14:13,039 --> 00:14:16,320 lags as far as as far as I can see, and I mean I 168 00:14:16,320 --> 00:14:20,360 think, yeah. And the more we go that way, the more I 169 00:14:20,399 --> 00:14:24,919 find I go back into into older, more ancient things to try and sustain 170 00:14:24,960 --> 00:14:28,960 me. I mean, for example, in that little Blood Stewart book, 171 00:14:28,000 --> 00:14:33,600 I used a system of archetypes, you know, each little bit of the 172 00:14:33,639 --> 00:14:39,159 book. I thought, what archetype am I in this section of my life? 173 00:14:39,159 --> 00:14:43,080 I'm either victim? Am I the warrior? Am I trying to be 174 00:14:43,360 --> 00:14:50,440 foot? My other Jester, and I use the overall overarching sort of archetype 175 00:14:50,480 --> 00:14:52,960 or story of the hero. I'm not like seeing myself as hero at all, 176 00:14:52,000 --> 00:14:56,519 but in the sense of going out into the unknown and then returning with 177 00:14:56,639 --> 00:15:01,879 new knowledge for good or for ill. And and I found that just refreshing 178 00:15:01,000 --> 00:15:05,720 to start thinking about, you know, people in archetypal terms again rather than 179 00:15:05,759 --> 00:15:11,080 technology everything being about technology. Yeah. Absolutely, if I do see a 180 00:15:11,120 --> 00:15:16,480 point. I mean, at the moment artificial intelligence is based on algorithms. 181 00:15:16,519 --> 00:15:18,679 I think we know that, but I do You're right, I do see 182 00:15:18,679 --> 00:15:24,159 a point when it will advance to the point where it will be able to 183 00:15:24,200 --> 00:15:28,639 simulate consciousness. Our grandfather always told us that this will come about, and 184 00:15:28,679 --> 00:15:31,799 obviously he was right, because they're moving towards it, and only progress towards 185 00:15:31,840 --> 00:15:37,879 this kind of stimulated sentient being, which, as you're right, I like 186 00:15:37,039 --> 00:15:41,879 that the priest did the god the man who wishes to have power, this 187 00:15:43,120 --> 00:15:46,399 is this is the thing. This is the with the fountain of knowledge but 188 00:15:46,440 --> 00:15:52,720 also the fountain of control, because the person who wishes to be godly is 189 00:15:52,759 --> 00:15:56,440 that the apex of that very power. And as you said, totally of 190 00:15:56,440 --> 00:16:00,200 course, they all want to mistake in it. This new found technological horror 191 00:16:00,240 --> 00:16:06,559 I would call it, and I think also Steve, what's interesting, going 192 00:16:06,559 --> 00:16:11,960 back slightly, I really agree with what you're saying about individuals like us setting 193 00:16:11,960 --> 00:16:17,639 ourselves within our own world and fitting frustrated corruption, disruption or the propaganda and 194 00:16:17,679 --> 00:16:21,799 the machine that's being created to turn one person against the other or you know, 195 00:16:21,960 --> 00:16:26,120 infiltrate or subjugate their human consciousness. But the UFO question, now, 196 00:16:26,159 --> 00:16:30,840 this is again only a tiny fragment of a lot of what's been going on, 197 00:16:30,440 --> 00:16:33,519 the secrecy with that. I mean, the system that we serve things 198 00:16:33,519 --> 00:16:37,440 were absolute idiots, don't they. I mean, you know, I think 199 00:16:37,519 --> 00:16:41,879 maybe it's possible that perhaps the so called life forms on ice, I'd be 200 00:16:42,000 --> 00:16:45,960 very surprised if they were still alive. They're probably be in a very bad 201 00:16:45,000 --> 00:16:51,039 way. And of course these so called non terrestrial vehicles that they have, 202 00:16:51,639 --> 00:16:55,039 I wonder whether or not they because we hear a lot about this about you 203 00:16:55,039 --> 00:16:59,399 know, one hive mind consciousness like the borg, and whether or not the 204 00:16:59,440 --> 00:17:03,680 system wants to subjugate all of us to believe that we're just biological automatons with 205 00:17:03,759 --> 00:17:08,920 the cell by day, But what's interesting with you is that you your narratives, 206 00:17:10,559 --> 00:17:12,960 each and every one of them within your arguments, you know, with 207 00:17:14,039 --> 00:17:17,759 regards to a lot of the wrongs that's being done in the world. You're 208 00:17:17,880 --> 00:17:22,079 very highly structuring the way you bring this amounts and passionate. And so where 209 00:17:22,319 --> 00:17:26,599 where did your awakening basically come, Steve? When did that actually all start 210 00:17:26,640 --> 00:17:32,440 happening for you? Yeah, that's a really good question. I think there 211 00:17:32,559 --> 00:17:40,039 was several mini awakenings. I think one was when I was a very young 212 00:17:40,079 --> 00:17:45,079 man, and it sort of comes I put it into my little memoir book, 213 00:17:45,119 --> 00:17:48,960 but I put it in slightly comediically, slightly tongue in cheek. But 214 00:17:49,279 --> 00:17:52,880 when I came back from America, I think I had, you know, 215 00:17:53,079 --> 00:17:56,799 trying to find a word on and breakdown. But I certainly felt myself falling 216 00:17:56,799 --> 00:18:00,960 apart a little bit. And I went to live in a stick community in 217 00:18:00,039 --> 00:18:06,839 Sussex in Heywood Seats, was called Anchor Hold, and it was run by 218 00:18:07,720 --> 00:18:12,359 a Cowley father, the priest so high Anglican, but his name was Father 219 00:18:12,440 --> 00:18:18,160 Slagh. But he'd been sent out to India to start a school and Christianize 220 00:18:19,079 --> 00:18:25,680 Hindus. But when he got there, he found himself fascinated by Indian mythologies 221 00:18:25,880 --> 00:18:30,079 by carl By. He got interested in yoga, did to Taichi, and 222 00:18:30,119 --> 00:18:36,319 so the church cut off his funds and I think he's sold the school bus 223 00:18:36,319 --> 00:18:37,519 to keep it going for a while. But then he came back to England. 224 00:18:37,519 --> 00:18:41,359 They didn't know what to do with him, but being the church and 225 00:18:41,440 --> 00:18:45,359 fairly wealthy, they said, we've got this property in Sussex. If you 226 00:18:45,519 --> 00:18:48,839 run it along Benedictine lines, you know, up at six for matins in 227 00:18:48,920 --> 00:18:53,039 silence after six and nine, if you run it, you can have the 228 00:18:53,119 --> 00:18:57,160 house, but just leave us alone and we're not going to send you out 229 00:18:57,160 --> 00:19:03,200 to do missionary work. Basically did that. So he did that, and 230 00:19:03,240 --> 00:19:07,000 there were there were four novitiates there. There were a few people like me 231 00:19:07,119 --> 00:19:15,319 who were just looking around and but I found something about his openness to the 232 00:19:15,319 --> 00:19:19,839 whole world and to different ways of thinking about life. I've never met anyone 233 00:19:19,920 --> 00:19:23,119 like that, and so that that was a bit of an eye opener for 234 00:19:23,200 --> 00:19:29,920 me as as as as a very young man, I think, and then 235 00:19:30,160 --> 00:19:37,720 jumping forward many decades, I think it was just a profound series of disillusionments 236 00:19:37,799 --> 00:19:42,440 in the late nineties where I really did not not just vaguely think it, 237 00:19:42,440 --> 00:19:48,039 but I knew, absolutely knew that we were being lied to consistently about just 238 00:19:48,240 --> 00:19:52,079 about everything, really, you know, what was really happening in the world, 239 00:19:52,400 --> 00:19:57,119 Who was really controlling things, how decisions were made, how people were 240 00:19:57,160 --> 00:20:04,240 being controlled, you know. And then the big public events like Irraq just 241 00:20:04,480 --> 00:20:10,680 crystallize that even more for me. And so I slowly felt myself drifting away 242 00:20:10,799 --> 00:20:18,160 from society and drifting away from all the all the safety nets that I felt 243 00:20:18,200 --> 00:20:22,920 as a child had gone. You know, that the safety net of if 244 00:20:23,000 --> 00:20:26,559 you're if you're ill, there's a system that's going to look after you, 245 00:20:26,559 --> 00:20:33,079 You're going to get a basic decent education. You know, fundamentally you could 246 00:20:33,079 --> 00:20:37,559 trust other people. And I felt as though all those safety nets were going, 247 00:20:38,039 --> 00:20:44,559 and that that worried me deeply. And so then I started reading around 248 00:20:44,640 --> 00:20:47,279 a lot more, talking a lot more, thinking a lot more. And 249 00:20:47,319 --> 00:20:52,640 I found the more I found out, the more hostile some people were towards 250 00:20:52,680 --> 00:20:56,640 me because they didn't want me to do that. So I quite a lot 251 00:20:56,680 --> 00:21:03,240 of quite a lot of battles I think went on, and then i'd appear 252 00:21:03,359 --> 00:21:07,119 where I retreated. I think it just into my own, my own head. 253 00:21:07,240 --> 00:21:11,000 But then I came out and started doing the YouTube things. But I 254 00:21:11,039 --> 00:21:14,000 did, I did write about that. And I had a book out last 255 00:21:14,039 --> 00:21:18,759 year called Sometimes I Disappear, and it's set it's set in the future, 256 00:21:21,079 --> 00:21:26,119 and the main character is a woman called Ali, and it's my homage to 257 00:21:26,640 --> 00:21:30,079 Orwell and people, and so it is a dystopian world. But she she 258 00:21:30,160 --> 00:21:37,519 retreats completely into her private world and she does disappear sometimes. And so I 259 00:21:37,519 --> 00:21:41,759 think that was a that was an act of exorcism for me. And it 260 00:21:41,839 --> 00:21:45,119 was quite cathartic because I got halfway through the book and I realized I was 261 00:21:45,119 --> 00:21:49,759 writing about myself, but she's also a character who was looking for redemption and 262 00:21:49,839 --> 00:21:56,680 love and how to form a new sense of a community and family. And 263 00:21:56,720 --> 00:21:59,359 I thought, well, you know, hopefully I'm trying to do that too, 264 00:21:59,480 --> 00:22:04,119 in a very modest way. So it's interesting and sometimes after you I 265 00:22:04,160 --> 00:22:07,839 don't know if you find that, but sometimes after you've done a piece of 266 00:22:07,880 --> 00:22:12,119 work, you realize what you were trying to get at. Yes, I 267 00:22:12,119 --> 00:22:17,599 think the idea absolutely, Steve, and I think the idea, you know, 268 00:22:18,079 --> 00:22:22,279 with us when we began to see the cracks was ironically the very tool 269 00:22:22,400 --> 00:22:26,440 they use for propaganda, the Internet. I mean yeah, to begin with, 270 00:22:27,119 --> 00:22:30,359 it was very subtle, and I thought, well, it can be 271 00:22:30,400 --> 00:22:34,160 this, it can be that. But then it got became so bold, 272 00:22:34,480 --> 00:22:41,240 the complete blatant deception of many topics from this. I found it at first 273 00:22:41,279 --> 00:22:48,559 hard to believe that this was driven by any kind of agenda, but eventually 274 00:22:48,640 --> 00:22:53,000 it became so strong, and basically they got so damn cocky that you can 275 00:22:53,079 --> 00:22:59,799 see blatantly that everything good or everything they'll be whole, so dear. It's 276 00:22:59,839 --> 00:23:03,400 always like a mirror on there. It's reversed, it's completely reversed. It's 277 00:23:03,440 --> 00:23:07,359 always a mirror. It's always negative. And we also find that things like 278 00:23:07,480 --> 00:23:11,440 politics, most definitely politics, they controversial. These news media's, I mean 279 00:23:11,480 --> 00:23:18,319 on like certain Internet channels, they cross out the comment box. They will 280 00:23:18,400 --> 00:23:21,920 show they will show the likes, but not that it's life. They're moving 281 00:23:21,960 --> 00:23:26,200 towards a new phase because I think they're getting desperate. They're becoming desperate because 282 00:23:26,200 --> 00:23:33,200 they're losing they're losing mileage on it, and they're finding that people have basically 283 00:23:33,119 --> 00:23:38,920 called their bluff and they're finding new tactics to try and brainwash people and I 284 00:23:38,960 --> 00:23:44,240 did write about this in the Digital demon about the mobile phones was a magnificent, 285 00:23:44,279 --> 00:23:48,319 powerful demonic tool for the young because the propaganda broadcasts on that the young 286 00:23:48,960 --> 00:23:52,880 it's not their fault, would actually fall from because they wouldn't question as much 287 00:23:52,920 --> 00:23:57,839 as the older and wiser people with auduo respect who have lived in the times 288 00:23:57,920 --> 00:24:03,920 before the internet and before this electronic demon It's nothing wrong with technologists how it's 289 00:24:03,079 --> 00:24:07,200 used. It's always abused, you know, more than not. But I 290 00:24:07,240 --> 00:24:12,039 want to ask, Steve, who do you think that these etch Holon's are. 291 00:24:12,160 --> 00:24:19,000 I mean, we've heard so much about the overall agenda of these faithless, 292 00:24:19,279 --> 00:24:25,039 nameless bureaucrats that high behind the curtain a reality, yes, I know 293 00:24:25,359 --> 00:24:30,839 so in your terminology, Steve, what do you think is their ultimate goal 294 00:24:30,039 --> 00:24:33,400 at the end of the day, What do you think that their main drive 295 00:24:33,440 --> 00:24:37,519 and purposes with all of this this chaos that we're experiencing at at the moment. 296 00:24:37,799 --> 00:24:41,720 Well, do I do subscribe to the view that it's all about power 297 00:24:41,200 --> 00:24:48,519 and that the ultimate aim is to is to own everything, is to own 298 00:24:49,000 --> 00:24:59,000 or transport or food production or medicines or land, and to to to deetois 299 00:24:59,119 --> 00:25:03,079 people. And I don't. I don't think beyond that there is a thought 300 00:25:03,160 --> 00:25:07,079 it's a bit doctor Strange lovey. Whatever we whatever we do, we'll have 301 00:25:07,200 --> 00:25:11,400 our bunker and we'll be okay. So I do think it's about it's about 302 00:25:11,440 --> 00:25:21,759 power and control and a select group you know there there are there. I 303 00:25:21,759 --> 00:25:23,680 do think there are the particular individuals, but often their figureheads for it. 304 00:25:23,720 --> 00:25:30,039 I think people like Obamber and sorrow Us and amongst the some some of the 305 00:25:30,079 --> 00:25:34,559 culprits. But I do think, yeah, I do think it's about ultimately 306 00:25:34,640 --> 00:25:40,680 trying to control everyday reality and control life. And it's and it's a perverted 307 00:25:41,200 --> 00:25:47,119 deification of the self. There's there's certainly a religious impulse in that. You've 308 00:25:47,119 --> 00:25:52,279 only got to look at the way some people speak the messianically about to other 309 00:25:52,359 --> 00:25:56,799 people. And what is good I think is that there are increasing number of 310 00:25:56,839 --> 00:26:02,799 people who have woken up or waking up, I think, and I've always 311 00:26:02,799 --> 00:26:07,559 thought cynicism is is you know, people think cynicism is a bad thing. 312 00:26:07,599 --> 00:26:11,440 It's actually a useful philosophical tool because the cynic can always imagine something better. 313 00:26:11,799 --> 00:26:15,759 So I think it is good, but it's only good if it connects people. 314 00:26:17,680 --> 00:26:22,160 And yes, my sense of everyday life is that there's there's an awful 315 00:26:22,240 --> 00:26:29,880 lot of antagonism and violence just in the fissures of everyday life. I remember 316 00:26:30,000 --> 00:26:33,920 some weeks ago you you obviously had a bad experience driving, you know, 317 00:26:37,039 --> 00:26:40,039 good Lord, Yes, that was me. And I find there's lots of 318 00:26:40,079 --> 00:26:45,920 incidents like that now, and that just beneath the surface of life there is 319 00:26:45,920 --> 00:26:52,720 this anger and resentment, but it has nowhere to go. And also I 320 00:26:52,720 --> 00:26:56,480 think it's a fundamental misunderstanding of what human beings are. I take with you 321 00:26:56,720 --> 00:27:03,680 that human beings are much more tribal than we give them credit for. Well, 322 00:27:03,720 --> 00:27:07,359 I will tell you that one of the arago hangs in the car was 323 00:27:07,440 --> 00:27:11,000 absolutely red faced with anger, and the ape behind was even more so. 324 00:27:11,079 --> 00:27:14,640 I don't know what the hell was going on there, but I knew that 325 00:27:14,720 --> 00:27:17,680 I was called between the pillar and the deep blue sea. But I remained 326 00:27:17,720 --> 00:27:19,880 calm, and I thought, I'm not getting involved with this. And you 327 00:27:21,400 --> 00:27:23,880 wanted you want the space there it is, it's all yours. But you're 328 00:27:25,000 --> 00:27:27,880 right, there is an anger brewing, angry feel it. It's sorry, 329 00:27:29,039 --> 00:27:33,000 it's horrible. That seems so quite right. If they've got no way to 330 00:27:33,119 --> 00:27:37,359 for it to direct it. That's the thing. It's awful, isn't it. 331 00:27:37,359 --> 00:27:42,000 It is awful, And you know, certainly the pandemic. I think 332 00:27:42,200 --> 00:27:48,359 it exacerbated that, you know, this suspicion of everyone else, and yes, 333 00:27:48,039 --> 00:27:52,920 keep keeping two meters away from everyone, and and people getting angry if 334 00:27:52,960 --> 00:27:57,359 someone didn't have a mask or you stepped too closely. I found that deeply 335 00:27:57,440 --> 00:28:03,799 disturbing. Y And but it worked. God, it worked, you know, 336 00:28:03,599 --> 00:28:07,680 that's right there. And I don't think we've we've recovered from that either. 337 00:28:07,960 --> 00:28:12,359 And the paranoia, yes, I experienced that myself. I couldn't believe 338 00:28:12,400 --> 00:28:17,400 it because I had just gone down wearing a mask to the shop. And 339 00:28:17,599 --> 00:28:21,519 an example for you, a simple example. I mean, we know it's 340 00:28:21,640 --> 00:28:23,559 ridiculous. I mean, the mask can do nothing. They can do nothing. 341 00:28:23,599 --> 00:28:27,640 This handkerchief or tissue paper on your on your mouth. You know, 342 00:28:27,680 --> 00:28:33,119 it's just a statement, isn't it. But I was down this alley and 343 00:28:33,599 --> 00:28:37,079 there was a lady with her little child at the other end, and she 344 00:28:37,160 --> 00:28:41,920 would not walk through. It's quite a widely alley. She would not walk 345 00:28:41,000 --> 00:28:45,599 through that alley. I had to walk through first, and she backed off. 346 00:28:45,640 --> 00:28:48,920 She backed off with her child. I thought, my goodness, what 347 00:28:48,000 --> 00:28:52,480 an earth are we've come to? You know, it's terrible. You're absolutely 348 00:28:52,519 --> 00:28:56,039 right, Sue. Well, we can't mention the word obviously of what this 349 00:28:56,200 --> 00:29:00,240 is. But it did make me laugh with David l when he said he 350 00:29:00,319 --> 00:29:03,880 was in a shop and he handed over a five hour note and the shopkeepers 351 00:29:03,920 --> 00:29:08,359 that I can't take that because of some And it's somebody you're selling the newspapers, 352 00:29:08,359 --> 00:29:15,720 aren't you. Yes, then you couldn't win. They had battened it 353 00:29:15,759 --> 00:29:21,480 down so hard there was no way out. We we we could not win. 354 00:29:21,559 --> 00:29:23,119 It shows the power. There's something, as we know. I think 355 00:29:23,160 --> 00:29:27,799 something quite wrong there or set respects. So Steve, where do you think? 356 00:29:29,079 --> 00:29:32,440 I mean? I mean you you've been looking at these varied areas within 357 00:29:32,559 --> 00:29:36,359 politics, within the world situations that's going on, and it's very You're you're 358 00:29:36,440 --> 00:29:38,599 very clever the way you seem to be able to dissect and see through the 359 00:29:38,640 --> 00:29:42,920 illusion of what the public are being fed through the media cartel. I mean, 360 00:29:44,079 --> 00:29:47,519 where where do you think this is actually going? Now? What you 361 00:29:47,559 --> 00:29:51,880 know? Where where do you see this system I call it the system is 362 00:29:52,680 --> 00:29:56,000 trying to take us? Now? Where what's the next stage? Do you 363 00:29:56,039 --> 00:30:02,680 think they've got set or planned because we're ready for it. Well, I 364 00:30:02,720 --> 00:30:04,680 did get interested in, you know, the whole the three minute city and 365 00:30:06,000 --> 00:30:14,440 the ghetto eising of land. I followed quite carefully the certainly in the States, 366 00:30:14,519 --> 00:30:22,039 the way large corporations were buying up huge swathes of farmland and effectively trying 367 00:30:22,039 --> 00:30:26,880 to put farmers out of business by if they wouldn't say, on making it 368 00:30:26,920 --> 00:30:30,759 impossible for them to get their goods to market by closing certain roads and opening 369 00:30:30,799 --> 00:30:33,359 another road one hundred miles away. And I thought, why are they doing 370 00:30:33,400 --> 00:30:40,680 this? And I've I've followed one or two people who were also also following 371 00:30:40,720 --> 00:30:47,200 this in the States, and they they they they were quite clear that the 372 00:30:47,279 --> 00:30:51,599 idea was just to build supercities, you know, to get her eyes, 373 00:30:52,559 --> 00:30:59,359 and that most people will be living in those, you know. And it's 374 00:30:59,400 --> 00:31:02,720 that whole idea of you will have less, but you will have, you 375 00:31:02,720 --> 00:31:07,839 will be you will be happier. So I certainly see it moving towards that 376 00:31:07,000 --> 00:31:12,200 away, you know, I move away from the from from from farming, 377 00:31:12,319 --> 00:31:21,759 from people owning land, from countryside into into creating incredibly dense metropolis because these 378 00:31:21,759 --> 00:31:26,359 are easier to control you know, I think someone you know, I was 379 00:31:26,400 --> 00:31:36,720 interested some years ago to read about the beginnings of prison systems and the idea 380 00:31:36,839 --> 00:31:41,079 for the first prisons where you could create an environment where you could one or 381 00:31:41,119 --> 00:31:45,400 two people could see what a lot of people are doing all at once. 382 00:31:45,720 --> 00:31:51,079 And this is even before the days of television monitors. And they got the 383 00:31:51,200 --> 00:32:00,000 idea from from plague plague villages where you know, people were contained, nobody 384 00:32:00,119 --> 00:32:04,519 was allowed to go outside and you know, one or two people and you 385 00:32:04,519 --> 00:32:07,799 know, certain certain houses were designated no go areas because they knew there was 386 00:32:07,839 --> 00:32:15,240 a plague case in there. And surveillance techniques developed from from from from that. 387 00:32:15,319 --> 00:32:19,200 So it's interesting that they developed from a pandemic, you know, the 388 00:32:19,279 --> 00:32:22,720 view want it plague, and then that became the model for prison systems. 389 00:32:22,279 --> 00:32:29,240 And obviously that's got much more refined and increasingly I have a sense of you 390 00:32:29,279 --> 00:32:32,480 know, that's that's the plan to create. You know, it's kind of 391 00:32:32,519 --> 00:32:37,680 England. There's a series of half a dozen gigantic prisons really where a few 392 00:32:37,720 --> 00:32:43,079 people know exactly what's going on in, who's doing what, who's who's saying 393 00:32:43,160 --> 00:32:45,359 what. Put more cameras in, you know, if you're driver in London, 394 00:32:45,400 --> 00:32:49,319 now you can't, you know. I think that there are probably two 395 00:32:49,319 --> 00:32:54,160 blind spots where you can't be seen, but everywhere, So I think that 396 00:32:54,240 --> 00:33:00,119 and the surveillance society also then breeds hostility, makes people suspicious of each other, 397 00:33:00,119 --> 00:33:04,599 the maybe wants to get caught out, so people then start to accept 398 00:33:04,640 --> 00:33:07,000 their imprisonment. And you know, that's a really worrying thing. And I 399 00:33:07,039 --> 00:33:09,839 think that's why a lot of the things that I write are about people who 400 00:33:09,839 --> 00:33:15,319 are trying to break out from that, you know, and sometimes hopefully I 401 00:33:15,319 --> 00:33:17,920 do, sometimes entertainingly, but you know, I'm writing as soon as the 402 00:33:19,000 --> 00:33:21,839 children's books at the moment, and even there, I'm trying to do the 403 00:33:21,880 --> 00:33:25,400 same thing. I think. It's it's you know, it's it's animal characters 404 00:33:25,440 --> 00:33:31,680 who are accepting their truncated, squeezed reality, but it's still trying to make 405 00:33:31,680 --> 00:33:37,039 a life within that and push the boundaries out a bit in terms of personal 406 00:33:37,079 --> 00:33:40,960 freedoms. And that's that's all I'm trying to do. I think that that 407 00:33:42,119 --> 00:33:45,839 shows through what you're describing about your your this is your world. This has 408 00:33:45,880 --> 00:33:51,759 been done so many times with the Metropolis, the film, the science fiction 409 00:33:51,880 --> 00:33:55,759 film by I think it was Fritz. Was it Fritz? Where there's that's 410 00:33:55,799 --> 00:34:00,720 it, where there's always this either this fear of it or this hope of 411 00:34:00,759 --> 00:34:05,359 it, one or the other, or this romantic notion in a science fiction 412 00:34:05,440 --> 00:34:08,280 kind of sense. But it was dramatized to give the effect of what this 413 00:34:08,440 --> 00:34:14,119 totalitarian force will become. It's being done again and again. So it must 414 00:34:14,119 --> 00:34:17,840 be inherent, as you said, our tribal instincts. There's always something within 415 00:34:19,280 --> 00:34:23,599 that kind of domination, someone, some despots somewhere, whereas I thought the 416 00:34:23,639 --> 00:34:29,320 film Metropolis, which I have seen the entire film, was a prime example 417 00:34:29,920 --> 00:34:36,239 of control. And also it also gave us some hope in the fact that 418 00:34:36,280 --> 00:34:40,440 no matter how powerful this organization that's administration is, no matter how mighty it 419 00:34:40,559 --> 00:34:45,280 might be, there's always an Achilles hill, there's always something there to bring 420 00:34:45,320 --> 00:34:52,639 it down. We saw it within the film where they rebelled, the classes 421 00:34:52,719 --> 00:34:55,920 underground, rebelled the work the machinery, as we saw with Adolf Hitler, 422 00:34:57,719 --> 00:35:01,440 the greatest force in the world, and he was defeated. So it always 423 00:35:01,519 --> 00:35:07,559 gives us hope from the old stories and from reality that no matter how powerful, 424 00:35:07,920 --> 00:35:14,960 no matter how magnificent, these empires become eventually they always almost turned to 425 00:35:15,079 --> 00:35:17,840 dust to give rise to a new one that follow suitus, like a recycling 426 00:35:19,119 --> 00:35:23,519 where breaking that kind of recycling kind of method it's the only way, and 427 00:35:24,639 --> 00:35:30,039 now it's becoming. This is exactly like Metropolis in a kind of loose way, 428 00:35:30,079 --> 00:35:35,679 where these powers that be, the masters, the habit masters, where 429 00:35:35,239 --> 00:35:38,719 they're never seen, where that's a dream. They see these things out off 430 00:35:38,800 --> 00:35:42,920 hit they're actually watched, I believe Metropolis and he fell in love with it. 431 00:35:42,960 --> 00:35:46,400 Well, there's no surprise there, Okay, yeah, yeah, is 432 00:35:46,440 --> 00:35:50,199 that so I didn't I didn't. Yeah, I didn't know that. Well, 433 00:35:50,239 --> 00:35:54,679 I did. What I found intriguing in many things about it was that 434 00:35:54,719 --> 00:36:00,719 he got the idea of creating a focused tape group. But it's the Jews 435 00:36:00,760 --> 00:36:07,519 or the Gypsies from reading American history, because he said, I looked around 436 00:36:07,519 --> 00:36:10,239 the world, and you know, most of the you know, most of 437 00:36:10,239 --> 00:36:14,760 the world has been colonized, so there wasn't a lot to go out and 438 00:36:14,800 --> 00:36:19,400 get. So I looked to America and they did the opposite. They looked 439 00:36:19,480 --> 00:36:24,320 inwards, and they took over everything inwards and destroyed whatever indigenous cultures there were, 440 00:36:24,360 --> 00:36:27,480 and he said, So that's he said, that was my model. 441 00:36:27,559 --> 00:36:32,559 You know, I who in German society can I demonize to the point that 442 00:36:32,639 --> 00:36:38,760 it will create a collective hatred and we then we then control that and that 443 00:36:38,840 --> 00:36:45,480 becomes the engine on which we can we can you know, strengthen ourselves militarily 444 00:36:45,519 --> 00:36:47,360 and politically. So yeah, I didn't know that. I didn't know that 445 00:36:47,400 --> 00:36:51,039 at all. I mean, he wasn't a few of them when he saw 446 00:36:51,119 --> 00:36:52,880 Metropolis he was I think he was. I don't know if he was chancellor 447 00:36:52,920 --> 00:36:58,400 or sonic or something to do with this hope of becoming a monster. Yeah, 448 00:36:59,360 --> 00:37:01,679 I didn't know what you said about and althology. I think that you 449 00:37:01,719 --> 00:37:07,519 know, Steve your ideas because you get you know, you're you're like another 450 00:37:07,639 --> 00:37:10,280 David ik As it were. I mean, you've written no end of books 451 00:37:10,280 --> 00:37:14,760 and scripts and so on and so forth, and and I agree with when 452 00:37:14,760 --> 00:37:17,159 you you set about the awaking and all the process of waking up. And 453 00:37:17,760 --> 00:37:23,400 it really is quite shocking because to some degree something's happened with good souls like 454 00:37:23,440 --> 00:37:28,880 yourself and ourselves and many other people in the world, and because we see 455 00:37:28,920 --> 00:37:32,920 beyond the deceptionalize, the corruption and even beyond the level of what we represent 456 00:37:34,000 --> 00:37:37,199 an obvious statistetic lesson a biological or Toomotombo sell by. Don't they didn't they 457 00:37:37,280 --> 00:37:40,719 denounced it and you'll see. Now the interesting thing, let's let's just figure 458 00:37:40,719 --> 00:37:44,800 ot all that from the memo. But these so called experts that are wheeled 459 00:37:44,800 --> 00:37:50,400 out that that narrate the official narrative. One of them is a scientist of 460 00:37:50,480 --> 00:37:53,559 British scientists that everyone can't stand Oneman that he was saying they don't exist, 461 00:37:53,599 --> 00:37:57,880 I mean, they're UFOs, and then all of a sudden he becomes an 462 00:37:57,880 --> 00:38:04,400 expert and changes the tune. But now the light is encompassing and a blinding 463 00:38:05,400 --> 00:38:09,559 everyone because we're beginning to see that the revelation is occurring with regards to people 464 00:38:09,639 --> 00:38:12,679 their license. Whod it really are? I mean, how do you feel 465 00:38:12,679 --> 00:38:15,599 about that? Before you continue, I just want to say the reason why 466 00:38:15,679 --> 00:38:21,159 they are keeping the non human secret just because they don't I believe. I 467 00:38:21,159 --> 00:38:23,360 think it could be possible that they don't want us to believe there's a power 468 00:38:23,360 --> 00:38:30,159 above us. Oh that's right, but no, no, well yeah, 469 00:38:30,199 --> 00:38:34,880 I agree with that, and I think it's at the heart of everything you've 470 00:38:34,920 --> 00:38:39,679 just said is is the idea of consciousness, you know, and which is 471 00:38:39,719 --> 00:38:45,440 something we still know very very little about. I'm not even sure that it's 472 00:38:45,440 --> 00:38:49,800 outside us, but I think we're simply an expression of it, And increasingly 473 00:38:49,920 --> 00:38:53,119 I find that an attractive way to think about myself. That I'm not I'm 474 00:38:53,159 --> 00:38:57,440 not some you know, because it's easy to feel isolated and a bit lost 475 00:38:57,480 --> 00:39:00,800 and learning in the world. But I'm an expression of something which is far 476 00:39:00,840 --> 00:39:07,679 bigger than me, and is both human and non human. And I don't 477 00:39:07,880 --> 00:39:10,320 I don't. I don't pretend to understand that, but I do have a 478 00:39:10,360 --> 00:39:14,440 sense of it, and I have a sense in a very simple way, 479 00:39:14,599 --> 00:39:19,199 so you know. For example, I used to give a little talk on 480 00:39:19,199 --> 00:39:22,920 on what is an environment, and people say, well, environments somewhere where 481 00:39:22,960 --> 00:39:25,280 you are, And I'd say, well, you know, if you think 482 00:39:25,360 --> 00:39:30,079 of the human organism as an environment, there are billions and billions of things 483 00:39:30,119 --> 00:39:34,400 that are living in you, feeding and you. Some are attacking you somewhere 484 00:39:34,480 --> 00:39:37,760 on your side. Everything is moving and you think you're in charge of it. 485 00:39:37,800 --> 00:39:42,840 But you know, you don't beat your heart. Your heart simply beats. 486 00:39:43,119 --> 00:39:46,039 You don't breathe your lungs. You're not doing that, you don't even 487 00:39:46,239 --> 00:39:52,239 think your thoughts necessarily yea, there is something going on that is a far 488 00:39:52,360 --> 00:39:59,960 bigger organism that than that, that than than you are, and you're simply 489 00:40:00,119 --> 00:40:04,320 an expression of that. And I find the more I think about that, 490 00:40:04,360 --> 00:40:07,760 the less I feel frightened by something like like the idea of death, because 491 00:40:07,760 --> 00:40:13,960 I think it's going to go on, and it does make me feel connected 492 00:40:14,559 --> 00:40:20,280 to things bigger than myself. I remember listening to as a favorite kind of 493 00:40:20,280 --> 00:40:24,559 comedian of mine George Carlin, the American who Whoo, who had a rent 494 00:40:25,000 --> 00:40:30,760 against hardline environmentalists, who insisted that you have to do this, you have 495 00:40:30,840 --> 00:40:34,079 to do that, you gotta put your car where you can never do. 496 00:40:34,480 --> 00:40:38,920 And he said, my view is that the planet is fine, the world 497 00:40:39,159 --> 00:40:44,880 is fine. It's us who are in trouble. And it might be that 498 00:40:44,920 --> 00:40:50,519 we go and when we go there might be something much more interesting that we 499 00:40:50,599 --> 00:40:54,239 could ever be. But how lucky we are to be a footnote in that 500 00:40:54,360 --> 00:41:00,719 story. And I find I find that thoughts like that just I find them 501 00:41:00,760 --> 00:41:06,760 sustaining only because they enlarge you, and they enlarge your thinking. So I 502 00:41:07,360 --> 00:41:12,960 do think, you know, the idea of some kind of universal consciousness. 503 00:41:13,280 --> 00:41:17,199 And I don't fully understand even what I mean by that is is good And 504 00:41:17,280 --> 00:41:22,360 sometimes if i'm if I'm running a writing workshop, it's it's it's on the 505 00:41:22,440 --> 00:41:30,239 idea of parallel lives, you know. And I love this idea, which 506 00:41:30,239 --> 00:41:37,000 I think is gaining some credence in science, that the you know, twenty 507 00:41:37,079 --> 00:41:39,559 years ago when you sat in a cafe and you could have gone off to 508 00:41:39,599 --> 00:41:44,440 have this incredible adventure, but you didn't. You stayed at home and worked 509 00:41:44,440 --> 00:41:47,679 in the bank or whatever. But on some in some parallel universe, you 510 00:41:47,760 --> 00:41:52,840 did go off, and that life is happening. You may not be conscious 511 00:41:52,880 --> 00:41:54,480 of it, but you may get a glimpse at the corner of your eye 512 00:41:54,960 --> 00:41:59,840 of of you, you know, walking across to heat, eating or pomegranate, 513 00:42:00,679 --> 00:42:04,440 or fishing in the Caribbean, or going into outer space. And I 514 00:42:05,599 --> 00:42:09,320 have a sense of that too, because I mean, perhaps like yourselves. 515 00:42:09,360 --> 00:42:15,599 But I find I increasingly spent a lot of time talking to people, not 516 00:42:15,679 --> 00:42:19,599 just people, but animals who were in my life who've gone. You know, 517 00:42:19,679 --> 00:42:22,400 my parents are still very real to me, and my grandparents are very 518 00:42:22,400 --> 00:42:27,920 real to me, and so I think there is there is something way beyond. 519 00:42:28,440 --> 00:42:30,880 Oh, I told to God, and I mean, you know this 520 00:42:31,000 --> 00:42:36,440 is absolutely true, perhaps twenty five years ago. This is what really propelled 521 00:42:36,559 --> 00:42:38,480 us into it, as well as many other things. That one time, 522 00:42:38,599 --> 00:42:45,679 Philip and I were very down and the clouds were It was very cloudy in 523 00:42:45,679 --> 00:42:49,920 the sky, the moon was out, and within perhaps perhaps five seconds, 524 00:42:50,800 --> 00:42:55,239 me and him locked up. And what had happened. There was this lion 525 00:42:55,719 --> 00:42:59,960 staring down at me and Philippi. It was a perfect shape of a line. 526 00:43:00,039 --> 00:43:02,239 It's somehow the clouds had shaped into a perfect place of a line. 527 00:43:02,559 --> 00:43:07,159 You could even see the stars twinkling through his eyes. And I know it's 528 00:43:07,159 --> 00:43:10,199 a cheap cop out to say we didn't have mobile phones, and we didn't, 529 00:43:10,199 --> 00:43:14,159 but he was just staring down at as. I took that as a 530 00:43:14,199 --> 00:43:16,360 sign, so I think we all are what you said, expression, that's 531 00:43:16,400 --> 00:43:22,119 beautiful. You are an expression. I also have had those experiences where multidimensional 532 00:43:22,280 --> 00:43:29,840 realities I absolutely believe because memory and also sometimes when I don't know how it 533 00:43:29,880 --> 00:43:32,599 operates, but sometimes I could be relaxing and then I get this image, 534 00:43:32,679 --> 00:43:37,480 or it could be looking at something that could be completely random or apparently random 535 00:43:37,559 --> 00:43:39,360 light, the light coming through the blinds of the room or whatever, and 536 00:43:39,440 --> 00:43:44,320 in an instant I get this overwhelming sense of immortality, of freedom, of 537 00:43:44,360 --> 00:43:50,079 a sense of connection. And I do sometimes see these different worlds that are 538 00:43:50,119 --> 00:43:53,000 hard to explain or find parallel words. Well, I'm not saying I walk 539 00:43:53,079 --> 00:43:58,519 into them, but certainly here because the brain is the transmitter and receiver of 540 00:43:58,599 --> 00:44:02,400 consciousness and a cause consciousness is locked into this reality. But I agree with 541 00:44:02,440 --> 00:44:06,920 you. I think and feel that it is able on some occasions to run 542 00:44:07,000 --> 00:44:08,719 rampant, but can come back and has to come back while we're in this 543 00:44:08,880 --> 00:44:13,000 form. But there's something I want to ask you, Steve this. You 544 00:44:13,000 --> 00:44:15,840 know, you know we're all looking for the holy grail of the big answer 545 00:44:15,880 --> 00:44:22,719 of what this is all about? And even one greatest philosopher couldn't Bertrand Russell 546 00:44:22,760 --> 00:44:27,599 because I remember there was a famous story of someone being in a cab and 547 00:44:28,239 --> 00:44:31,000 the cab drivers said, oh, so Bert, what's it all about? 548 00:44:31,599 --> 00:44:35,519 And then someone turned down and said, you know, he didn't have a 549 00:44:35,599 --> 00:44:38,239 bloody clue. You know, in terms of this, this this whole our 550 00:44:38,320 --> 00:44:43,320 genus as a human form and going through this lighted dart, I think Steve 551 00:44:43,440 --> 00:44:45,840 said an expression, yeah, I will just say here, and I will 552 00:44:45,920 --> 00:44:49,920 joke with Steve here that I've always said that when I get back to the 553 00:44:49,920 --> 00:44:52,840 other side, I'm going to get a refund. And then I'm going to 554 00:44:52,880 --> 00:44:59,760 say, what on earth was that all about? Because he left scratching my 555 00:44:59,800 --> 00:45:02,400 head thinking why have we put ourselves through all of this? But it could 556 00:45:02,519 --> 00:45:09,199 be that we're creating memories or going to an experience of utilizing memory that's sent 557 00:45:09,320 --> 00:45:15,440 back or included into the greater reality of where we all comfort. Who knows 558 00:45:15,480 --> 00:45:19,519 that maybe possible, but I love your sense of irony. It's wonderful. 559 00:45:19,639 --> 00:45:22,679 They're going to take you back to the reincarnation. Now I'm not going there. 560 00:45:22,800 --> 00:45:24,440 I'm going to see right there and I'm going to be walking the other 561 00:45:24,480 --> 00:45:29,679 pace. I'm going to throw a spanner in that reincarnation chamber. However it's 562 00:45:29,679 --> 00:45:31,079 done, because we don't know, but I'll be having words. But I 563 00:45:31,119 --> 00:45:35,480 think it's fascinating. And what you said, that word, that word just 564 00:45:35,800 --> 00:45:39,800 exemplifies everything expression. I think that's beautiful. It's so out expression. Yes, 565 00:45:40,239 --> 00:45:45,000 did you ever meet Allan Watts Steve No, I didn't know, but 566 00:45:45,079 --> 00:45:52,400 I certainly enjoy He talks a lot bit and also because you know, there's 567 00:45:52,400 --> 00:45:57,800 such common sense. He's got that ability to think step by step through things, 568 00:45:57,880 --> 00:46:01,960 and he's got a sense of humor. And certainly some of these talks 569 00:46:02,000 --> 00:46:07,159 have been eye opening moments for me. For example, when he talks about 570 00:46:08,360 --> 00:46:15,599 translations in the Bible, and you know, he says, the orthodox Christian 571 00:46:15,679 --> 00:46:20,079 view, of course, of course, is that Christ was the son of 572 00:46:20,119 --> 00:46:22,679 God. And he said, this is a mistranslation. And in the King 573 00:46:22,760 --> 00:46:27,559 James, if you look the word these italicized, and that's not to give 574 00:46:27,559 --> 00:46:31,679 its emphasis emphasis, it's because they don't quite know. But there are certain 575 00:46:31,719 --> 00:46:37,039 Hebrew scholars who said that what Christ actually said was I am a son of 576 00:46:37,079 --> 00:46:40,880 God. And what that means is we all we are all the children of 577 00:46:40,920 --> 00:46:46,400 God and what and Alan Watt said, you know, but the high priests 578 00:46:46,440 --> 00:46:50,920 in the church didn't want that because then they lose their authority for all sons 579 00:46:50,960 --> 00:46:54,199 of God. So they keep they kicked Jesus upstairs, you know, he 580 00:46:54,320 --> 00:46:58,360 says, and they say, he's you know, he's the son of God, 581 00:46:58,599 --> 00:47:01,360 so no one else can be. But that's I like that ubiquitous notion 582 00:47:01,599 --> 00:47:07,960 that you know, if there is a deity and we are all some kind 583 00:47:07,000 --> 00:47:13,480 of manifestation of it, then that there's a democratization of it. We are 584 00:47:13,480 --> 00:47:17,920 actually all in it. And there's an image that Stephen and Kid is slightly 585 00:47:17,920 --> 00:47:22,400 different. It's tangential, I think, but an image that Stephen king Us 586 00:47:22,920 --> 00:47:29,360 used to use a lot about tapping into the unconscious, and I guess it's 587 00:47:29,360 --> 00:47:32,960 a bit like Young's collective unconscious. But he said, what's my best work 588 00:47:34,079 --> 00:47:37,719 has done when I go down to the pool and drink? And what he 589 00:47:37,760 --> 00:47:45,199 meant by the pool was that the collective sum of human memories and emotions and 590 00:47:45,320 --> 00:47:51,000 fears and sensations and joys. And at his most intense moments, he felt 591 00:47:51,199 --> 00:47:57,360 he could go down and just get a taste of that and that was kind 592 00:47:57,360 --> 00:48:00,440 of global and ubiquitous, and then bring it back and show people. And 593 00:48:00,880 --> 00:48:04,440 you know, I don't I think if you have a few moments in your 594 00:48:04,440 --> 00:48:07,639 life where you feel that you're doing that, I've had a couple, I 595 00:48:07,679 --> 00:48:12,440 think, And I think that that was extraordinary. I was I was lucky 596 00:48:12,559 --> 00:48:15,639 enough to be just have a glimpse of something so much bigger than myself. 597 00:48:16,679 --> 00:48:22,760 But the connection was consciousness, you know, And that's why I've always liked 598 00:48:22,800 --> 00:48:25,480 Young's idea of the collective unconscious. I still don't fully understand it, but 599 00:48:25,519 --> 00:48:30,039 I do have a sense of what he means, and I think it's a 600 00:48:30,199 --> 00:48:36,400 very attractive and and and sensible idea. You know, this is where people 601 00:48:36,519 --> 00:48:42,440 actually connect. And I've always sort of literature as that it's it's where you 602 00:48:42,559 --> 00:48:46,400 try and you dig a little tunnel down and then you try and connect with 603 00:48:46,599 --> 00:48:57,559 others through reading and stuff and create a you know, a community of consciousness 604 00:48:57,760 --> 00:49:01,920 suring at the time I think of oh, I would say perhaps more innocent 605 00:49:01,960 --> 00:49:07,199 than now, the time of innocence where they look upon this control now and 606 00:49:07,280 --> 00:49:10,639 it is absolutely true. I'm sorry for have to say that they are aiming 607 00:49:10,760 --> 00:49:16,599 for total control with technology. Why is it always abused? It's like the 608 00:49:16,639 --> 00:49:22,800 Internet itself. They create a wonderful thing at the time for spending of information 609 00:49:22,000 --> 00:49:27,079 and you'll have to buy a FIREWALLFA because it's infiltrated. That's only a minor 610 00:49:27,639 --> 00:49:30,199 part of this abuse. So it's sad, isn't it When you look back 611 00:49:30,199 --> 00:49:35,039 at that. That's quite charming to look about. They still utilize this and 612 00:49:35,079 --> 00:49:38,440 it always is the network to real people in as prisoners. Prisoners control control, 613 00:49:39,239 --> 00:49:43,719 I was going to say, I love the idea of your suggestion about 614 00:49:43,760 --> 00:49:46,440 dipping into that pool. I think with both my brother and myself and your 615 00:49:46,800 --> 00:49:51,880 good self. With literature, I mean I love some of the old classics, 616 00:49:51,880 --> 00:49:54,920 some of the children classics like Alice in Wonderland, the images of Arthur 617 00:49:55,000 --> 00:50:00,679 Rackham, and the sense of realism and the real connection that you get by 618 00:50:00,679 --> 00:50:04,400 looking at these illustrations, not just a story that maps within your mind as 619 00:50:04,440 --> 00:50:07,960 you sit and I think it's beautiful. But I think that what's happening now 620 00:50:07,079 --> 00:50:14,079 is the system is restructuring itself to take that magical way, and you know, 621 00:50:14,159 --> 00:50:16,559 really condensed because we're seeing these changes. But thank God that you know, 622 00:50:17,039 --> 00:50:20,119 you and I are, many other people are on that page. So 623 00:50:20,159 --> 00:50:23,000 what gives you your inspiration as well? What really motivates you? Steve? 624 00:50:23,360 --> 00:50:29,519 I just feel driven, and I feel excited about just being able to use 625 00:50:29,559 --> 00:50:34,639 my senses, and I feel privileged to just go from walk and see the 626 00:50:34,679 --> 00:50:38,440 flowers grow and look at animals. So I think it's I think it's that 627 00:50:38,519 --> 00:50:44,199 I've never grown up properly. Yes, the part of the magic, isn't 628 00:50:44,199 --> 00:50:46,000 it certainly does change a lot of things for us. But sometimes it's very 629 00:50:46,039 --> 00:50:51,079 hard to live in the moment without worrying about other things. That is kind 630 00:50:51,079 --> 00:50:53,880 of like swamping our consciousness. But I have to say to you that you 631 00:50:53,920 --> 00:50:58,360 know the work that you've achieved, your children's books, your thrillers, your 632 00:50:58,800 --> 00:51:01,199 it goes. I think that Aldance books as well. There's quite charming because 633 00:51:01,480 --> 00:51:06,360 I've created for me a mechanical dog. When I was a kid, I 634 00:51:06,400 --> 00:51:07,480 wanted one. I was so desperate to have one, so we tried to 635 00:51:07,519 --> 00:51:10,559 build him out of beer cats, beer cats. We had nothing when the 636 00:51:10,639 --> 00:51:15,280 technologically, you know, takeable as a kid to use. But but he 637 00:51:15,719 --> 00:51:20,519 in this mechanical dog of ours, he hasn't left us. So as you 638 00:51:20,639 --> 00:51:23,360 said, like I want to build a life sized model of him, I'm 639 00:51:23,360 --> 00:51:27,559 not skilled enough to make him move really. But it's like you said, 640 00:51:27,559 --> 00:51:30,960 when you're talking about the that I think it's the child in us. As 641 00:51:30,960 --> 00:51:35,960 you said, that beautiful measics that hasn't died. People do, some of 642 00:51:36,000 --> 00:51:37,400 them. They kill the child off too, so they grow up too fast. 643 00:51:37,679 --> 00:51:42,639 If we inherit that child and keep that child as we should, then 644 00:51:42,719 --> 00:51:45,559 that is the magic, that is the beauty, you know. Yeah, 645 00:51:45,880 --> 00:51:50,679 yeah, I mean I love you. Some of your your figurines and your 646 00:51:50,800 --> 00:51:55,400 advatars and images that you create. I think they, you know, they 647 00:51:55,440 --> 00:52:00,360 really speak to me. And I think the magnetics and they take you somewhere. 648 00:52:00,639 --> 00:52:05,079 You know. That's what's the glorious thing about that I was, you 649 00:52:05,079 --> 00:52:07,880 know, I was telling that someone the other day about something that I'd completely 650 00:52:07,880 --> 00:52:14,159 forgotten. My childhood where a lot of my childhood I spent with puppets. 651 00:52:14,559 --> 00:52:17,199 I loved I love puppets. But I had a friend down the road and 652 00:52:17,239 --> 00:52:22,719 we would spend everyone else was doing things in the holidays, but we were 653 00:52:22,760 --> 00:52:29,079 making creatures out of papier mache and pipe cleaners and painting them, and then 654 00:52:29,639 --> 00:52:31,079 when it got to dusk, we would just put them on the pavement and 655 00:52:31,119 --> 00:52:37,519 then hide behind the hedge and watched the neighbor's reactions. And there was a 656 00:52:37,599 --> 00:52:45,480 certain there was a certain childish satisfaction in just watching the wonder sometimes the horror, 657 00:52:45,719 --> 00:52:51,039 you know, creating an effect and making making something, you know, 658 00:52:51,119 --> 00:52:54,400 and I've always found I'm not great with spiders, but I've always found the 659 00:52:54,400 --> 00:52:59,559 idea of spinning something out of yourself, you know, these beautiful things. 660 00:52:59,639 --> 00:53:02,199 You go for a walk on a on on early in the morning and the 661 00:53:04,639 --> 00:53:12,000 grass is just a filigree, a cathedral of lacy structures. So yeah, 662 00:53:12,039 --> 00:53:15,440 but I think it is about keeping, you know, keeping that child alive 663 00:53:15,519 --> 00:53:21,400 inside you and and living there. And it's where I'm happiest actually, when 664 00:53:21,519 --> 00:53:25,079 when I'm being that and sort of playing. You know, there's nothing more 665 00:53:25,119 --> 00:53:30,639 serious than being playful, I think. And because you find things because you 666 00:53:30,679 --> 00:53:34,800 don't. You don't you have a spirit of curiosity, and you don't think 667 00:53:34,800 --> 00:53:37,719 you know the aunt or everything. You know you know you're dead that you 668 00:53:37,760 --> 00:53:42,119 think you know everything. And that's one of the things I find very difficult 669 00:53:42,159 --> 00:53:45,039 about a lot of people in the modern world who they've got a view of 670 00:53:45,079 --> 00:53:49,280 things and they're damn right, and they're going to you know, it's either 671 00:53:49,360 --> 00:53:52,199 you're either with us or you're against us, and this is the only way 672 00:53:52,199 --> 00:53:58,239 to think about this, and I just can't tap into that. And that's 673 00:53:58,280 --> 00:54:02,960 where I think that's Any kind kind of electronic manipulation with the brain is an 674 00:54:04,000 --> 00:54:08,360 absolute disaster waiting to happen, and it's a monstrosity because it will kill or 675 00:54:08,639 --> 00:54:12,280 dampen it. It wouldn't kill it anything, but that will dampen it. 676 00:54:12,360 --> 00:54:16,559 And it will destroy creativity. And that's what you're saying as beautiful playing and 677 00:54:16,639 --> 00:54:22,920 also creating you. So we also find inspiration through others characters. Yes, 678 00:54:22,440 --> 00:54:25,679 you know sometimes you want to be those people or play that part, or 679 00:54:25,719 --> 00:54:30,440 live in that timeless moment where you can reenact the scene over and over and 680 00:54:30,519 --> 00:54:35,199 over again. So I think as as we are to a degree act as 681 00:54:35,199 --> 00:54:38,360 as well in life, those that use and the creative aptitude, which is 682 00:54:38,400 --> 00:54:45,199 incredibly important with how we not only view others but also try and get in 683 00:54:45,239 --> 00:54:47,679 touch with ourselves, the multi dimensional self as it were. So I think 684 00:54:47,679 --> 00:54:51,960 it's because some people want to be Darth Vader, even though he's even to 685 00:54:52,159 --> 00:54:57,360 kill people but is glorified in films. It's that's okay because we know it's 686 00:54:57,400 --> 00:55:00,960 fiction. You better, we can prior Marple the it's the awe of the 687 00:55:01,079 --> 00:55:06,559 essence of that energy that encapsulates the individual, like, wow, look at 688 00:55:06,559 --> 00:55:07,960 this thing. I mean, you know, I remember when we first saw 689 00:55:08,039 --> 00:55:10,719 Darth there, You've never seen anything like it quite like in your life. 690 00:55:10,920 --> 00:55:15,599 It's like really shocking, and see if an art deta. We were shocked. 691 00:55:15,599 --> 00:55:21,920 But creation the mind and George Lucas he used his like you use yours 692 00:55:21,960 --> 00:55:25,760 and many others usen it is incredibly vast, and it's like as a sort 693 00:55:25,760 --> 00:55:30,519 of reservoir which is beautiful, where we can all have a little dip in. 694 00:55:30,760 --> 00:55:32,800 Well you've got it as well. You've just got to get in touch 695 00:55:32,840 --> 00:55:35,840 with it. But it's lowly. They can find it through you. But 696 00:55:35,920 --> 00:55:38,800 it's like the actors as well. I would never thought I'd be so amazed 697 00:55:38,840 --> 00:55:43,960 by, like Miss Marple the nineteen eighties version Joan Hicks. I think with 698 00:55:44,400 --> 00:55:46,280 the characters in that, you know, and I kept watching them again and 699 00:55:46,320 --> 00:55:51,719 again and they're thinking afterwards, what is this fascination with these people is because 700 00:55:51,719 --> 00:55:54,400 of the characters. It's the way they talked to move. They were fascinating. 701 00:55:54,679 --> 00:55:59,960 Lady Sedgwick who got away in a carn't smash it didn't shet that whole 702 00:56:00,079 --> 00:56:07,679 tell Badine, and also Jeremy Bretta. Sherlock Holmes, well great and he 703 00:56:07,719 --> 00:56:14,239 actually he brought that chart. He's became Sherlock Holmes and this deeply troubled soul 704 00:56:14,480 --> 00:56:20,880 with his powerful shadow self and sometimes his makeup was so white, you know, 705 00:56:21,000 --> 00:56:24,760 there was something vampiric and this and you knew he had this intense in 706 00:56:24,800 --> 00:56:30,400 a life. No, I agree, that was certainly one of my favorites 707 00:56:30,400 --> 00:56:34,880 too. And yeah, I mean what as sometimes when you say keep the 708 00:56:34,960 --> 00:56:38,880 child in yourself, people think it's all in terms of innocence and purity, 709 00:56:39,079 --> 00:56:43,920 but it's not. It's it's also allowing yourself the freedom to be the beast 710 00:56:44,079 --> 00:56:46,079 sometimes, because that's what you do when your child. You want to be 711 00:56:46,159 --> 00:56:52,079 powerful and you want to be strong and take the world on, but you 712 00:56:52,159 --> 00:56:54,639 also want to be small and be comforted. And it's that, why, 713 00:56:55,079 --> 00:57:00,159 Pat, that's that very very palette that you you need to just to try 714 00:57:00,159 --> 00:57:05,360 and nourish yourself through life a little bit more. Well, did you know 715 00:57:05,960 --> 00:57:08,400 we're coming to the end of the show, Steve, And it has been 716 00:57:08,480 --> 00:57:14,559 an intellectual treat to see how you'll grapple with these of now you're using Professor 717 00:57:14,599 --> 00:57:19,480 Marian. Yes, so it's been a real joy. And I've just got 718 00:57:19,519 --> 00:57:22,719 to say, ladies and gentlemen out there, Steve Etridge an amazing guy, 719 00:57:22,920 --> 00:57:28,239 an accomplished author, scriptwriter. In fact, that there's no end to this 720 00:57:28,360 --> 00:57:32,280 guy's talents. His new book god Rod Stewart and Me out now you have 721 00:57:32,360 --> 00:57:35,559 to go and get it, please, buy it. I'm sure you won't 722 00:57:35,559 --> 00:57:39,000 be disappointed because Steve's had a lot of experiences and encounters us with lots of 723 00:57:39,159 --> 00:57:45,000 people and situations. So Steve, tell thee tell your listeners how they can 724 00:57:45,039 --> 00:57:46,960 get hold of you, and a little bit about you know, your thoughts. 725 00:57:49,360 --> 00:57:52,519 Okay, Well, you can always get in contact with me through my 726 00:57:52,599 --> 00:57:59,199 website, Steve Atridge dot com. Easy to find, and you can contact 727 00:57:59,199 --> 00:58:05,119 me through there or on Facebook in my own name. And books are available 728 00:58:05,440 --> 00:58:08,840 at some bookshops, but it's mostly, as with everyone, these mostly at 729 00:58:08,880 --> 00:58:13,719 Amazon. So if you look up that title my name on Amazon you can 730 00:58:13,840 --> 00:58:16,079 you can get that and any other book, and if you have problems getting 731 00:58:16,119 --> 00:58:19,880 them, you can always contact me. But be nice to hear from people 732 00:58:19,920 --> 00:58:22,840 anyway. Yes, and it's always a delight to link with you Steve, 733 00:58:23,239 --> 00:58:29,280 and go on now and thank you very much because we have respect for our 734 00:58:30,079 --> 00:58:35,840 our peers and mentors and that is one thing that we that magic that we 735 00:58:35,920 --> 00:58:39,039 have not and will not lose. Now, No, well, absolutely delight, 736 00:58:39,239 --> 00:58:44,239 thank you so much, thank you. And you've been listening to Steve 737 00:58:44,280 --> 00:58:49,760 Atridge author, well steveson Everything, go and check him out. And we 738 00:58:49,840 --> 00:58:52,719 just say to our audience, stay safe, look to the stars, believe 739 00:58:52,760 --> 00:59:17,440 in yourself and see you soon. Love School Muse has