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I think, yes, yes, that's right, and of course we've we've
gone through a list of accomplishments that you have achieved throughout your life for scriptwriter,
an author, I mean, you name it, filming, you've been
there and you've done it. But we are here to talk a little bit
about your new book that's been released. God Rod Stewart anime. It's a
memoir. It's because we were going to buy it, but it's just about
your life. It is, it's it's it's it's a memoir. I didn't
assume that anyone would be particularly interested in, you know, the whole damn
thing of my life. So what I did was I chose three years from
in my late teens, when you know, quite frankly, I was reckless
and I lived life absolutely to the full, and I tasted all kinds of
forbidden fruits. And do I regret it, not not one iota. But
I thought, what I can do is I can make these incidents and these
events and these years into a series of vignettes and hopefully interesting little stories.
So because I always feel slightly how bident about memoirs, you know, it's
not that I'm I'm kind of trumpeting myself so much as I think these are
interesting experiences, and I treated each one like a short story. And I
mean I did pack a lot of experiences those years in terms of I mean
I flirted with every religion there was going and those those those years in certainly
in London were as we're just full of everyone, you know, Sorry,
Krishna's on one corner was the Maharishi, there were there were there were zen
things going on. Alan Watts was becoming the GURUSO was, and so I
flirted with them all and some of them got me into into serious trouble.
Didn't. But when I needed money, I worked for Parks and Recreation in
North London, and what I didn't realize was the Parks and Recreation was like
a care in the community scheme for highly distressed and disturbed people. So things
that happened there were I mean quite extraordinary, you know. And I mean,
for example, I was working with someone at the back of a clinic
and we were clearing briers and nettles and we found a dead body that was
sitting up and had been there a long time. So I wanted to call
the police, but the guy was working with said, I think we should
get to know him first, and so we had this bizarre half an hour
we were sitting talking to this kind of partly skeletal body before the before anyone.
And when I look back on that, I thought that was that was
very bizarre. But then then I sort of won a competition and the prize
was to go to the States and meet Rod Steward, and I was,
you know, I was a very young man and I loved pop culture,
and I thought I may never go to the States again. So I left
my job and went there. And they had a manager at the time called
Billy gaff And, and I just got on well with him. So he
signed me on for the tour and he said, I'm not going to pay
you, but all your hotel bills will be paid, you'll be fed,
and you'll get a bit of pocket money. And I said, but what
do I do? You know, I don't know anything about getting in rock
and roll. And he said, your job is very important. You sit
on stage with a bucket of vice and six bottles of blue Nun wine and
you just hand it to the band when they're thirsty. So for the next
month I just sat on stage ending out bottles of that. There were just
fun things like that, and I tried not to pull any punches. But
what I do hope is that it's a fun and entertaining read. And it
does get a bit tragic at the end where I did get into trouble in
with myself really always a victim of my own misfortunes. But it was I
was surprised that someone published it, but I was very glad that they did.
And you know, i've i'm I have hopes for it. Yeah,
I really enjoyed doing it. Yeah. So I think when you when you
take a trip down memory lane, it's amazing, you know, because each
and every one of us more or less has something to say, you know.
But the dead body you found, I'm, oh my god, I'll
talking to it. But there again, you were getting acquainted. But it
was a nice thing to do. It was a touching thing to do before
he was taken away. So I think that's high, beautiful, very poetic.
If that's I've never heard of that in my life. So that in
itself, you know, you weren't working for Dr Frankenstein and we like that,
so it was quite so. I think Also the Rod's Stewart part,
I think a lot of people will find fascinating because you are very much accomplished
and an intellect and a lot of the work that you've achieved so much and
I think it's wonderful that you're able to incorporate most of your experiences into a
book that other people can relash in, you know, because you know how
many people get to do what you've done in life basically, But not only
that, and not only the the films and the television and all the scripts
and everything you've done. You're also a passionate advocate for the truth and that's
what we see most of the time with your talks on YouTube about your strong
held beliefs, which absolutely and I've got to say here really hit home with
a lot of people. And of course there's a truth. It's the truth
that's right. And this is where you I mean, are you going to
write a book also about all of your thoughts about how you see the way
that the structured system is trying to take control over all of us? Steve,
Yes, Yeah, I have got a book on the boil based on
some of the things that I that I've done on YouTube, and it has
been an interesting journey because I'm sure you you will appreciate that, and people
who listen to you. But it has certainly and I don't I don't say
this in any mock heroic way, but it has certainly cost me. I've
certainly been canceled a lot professionally, in fact once in the past month,
and and and sometimes personally, you know, put personal friends. But and
I have had one or two people say to me, you should just stop
doing this because you know you've lost so much work in the past five or
ten years. But then perhaps like yourselves, but I think, well,
it's me I have to wake up with every morning, and I don't want
to be get to the end of my life and think, okay, I
did okay, But I never put my head above the parapet and I never
I never said what I never said what I thought the truth was, because
I just want to know what's going on, and I think there's it is
a strange world we live. And I was thinking very much of you two
a couple of weeks ago, when I don't know if you called them,
but I spent a long time listening online to the the hearings in the American
Senate and all about UFOs and what was really interesting to me were that this
stemmed from very conservative, straight whistleblowers in the Special Forces and stuff. So
there was rather these priven characters sitting there, but they were prepared to tell
the truth. You know, they have found non human materials and non human
remains, and you know this this is now in the public domain, and
so you know, things like that do give me a little bit of of
hope that at least questions are being asked. But yes, yeah, it's
it's it's been. It's been very tricky, but I do feel driven to
do it, and I feel compelled to do it. And I think it's
because you don't feel part of a community. I don't know if you do,
but I've I've lost my sense of a place in the world and a
place in the community. So it's it's mostly living in the theater of your
own imagination and hopefully a few friends and having contact with people like yourselves.
You know, That's where I get my sense of belonging from now. And
I just wish there were more more out there doing that, because yeah,
it's a very it's it's a very tricky world. I think I was going
to say, indeed, it is because as we consume we've noted that this
thing a simple example, we have noted and we we're just ordinary guys.
Well we can see what's going on with the acand with the news. I
simple think it's artificial intelligence. Now this is not a reality, because artificial
intelligence denotes thinking, conscious concept. But we now see from that, and
that's only a small element of the propaganda being used. For blame is that
they're promoting this heavily, this AI stuff. Everything is referred to as artificial
intelligence, but that's in itself as a deception because there's no such thing as
AI. They are algorithms, the programs. So the only reason why they're
doing is Philip and I worked this out. I think perhaps many people might
have thought about it. It's the fact that when they're plumping this up,
this ideology of a super monstrous consciousness as controlling things when something goes wrong,
well not wrong to plan. I think you know what I mean by that
they can blame the super consciousness. Are not those instigating this agenda or some
kind of control agenda. It's nasty, and this is only a segment of
the propaganda we face today. Yeah, absolutely, I mean this this new,
this new chat thing that people are using that's caused such a furory in
the States, and writers and actors have gone on strike because the chat software
is being used to write scripts. And for example, last year, I
was mentoring a couple of young scriptwriters and they both stopped because they found this,
as you say, it's not artificial intelligence, really, but this piece
of software could mentor them the same for using And I did say to them,
you know, you know the next step this is, this is going
to say to you, why are you even bothering to write? Because I
can write a better script than you can. And it's going in that direction.
And I was also thinking, and I spoke to a psychologist about this
about the use of how it's going to invade personal lives because he was interested
in the idea of people are going to look for partners in in robots and
and my instant response was, what do you tell someone you're very close to?
You tell them your secrets, you know, you exchange really personal information.
So these things, if it gets to that, are going to be
able to build a network of not only everyone's data and the stuff of their
lives, but also their deepest fantasies and their deepest thoughts and that becomes that
that becomes an interesting kind of dystopian view of the world. Really, I
think that that's that's that's happening and increase that recent Tony Blair Institute conference that
he had, which was somebody said it was like American politics visiting the UK.
His his vision now has gone beyond global globalization to high tech and apparently
that's you know, he wants to be the high priest of that, and
that is exactly it's having a controlling nerve center that has everyone's health data,
for example, on it. And his view is that this is a benign
thing. But it's it's it's just it's just all well dressed up in other
lags as far as as far as I can see, and I mean I
think, yeah. And the more we go that way, the more I
find I go back into into older, more ancient things to try and sustain
me. I mean, for example, in that little Blood Stewart book,
I used a system of archetypes, you know, each little bit of the
book. I thought, what archetype am I in this section of my life?
I'm either victim? Am I the warrior? Am I trying to be
foot? My other Jester, and I use the overall overarching sort of archetype
or story of the hero. I'm not like seeing myself as hero at all,
but in the sense of going out into the unknown and then returning with
new knowledge for good or for ill. And and I found that just refreshing
to start thinking about, you know, people in archetypal terms again rather than
technology everything being about technology. Yeah. Absolutely, if I do see a
point. I mean, at the moment artificial intelligence is based on algorithms.
I think we know that, but I do You're right, I do see
a point when it will advance to the point where it will be able to
simulate consciousness. Our grandfather always told us that this will come about, and
obviously he was right, because they're moving towards it, and only progress towards
this kind of stimulated sentient being, which, as you're right, I like
that the priest did the god the man who wishes to have power, this
is this is the thing. This is the with the fountain of knowledge but
also the fountain of control, because the person who wishes to be godly is
that the apex of that very power. And as you said, totally of
course, they all want to mistake in it. This new found technological horror
I would call it, and I think also Steve, what's interesting, going
back slightly, I really agree with what you're saying about individuals like us setting
ourselves within our own world and fitting frustrated corruption, disruption or the propaganda and
the machine that's being created to turn one person against the other or you know,
infiltrate or subjugate their human consciousness. But the UFO question, now,
this is again only a tiny fragment of a lot of what's been going on,
the secrecy with that. I mean, the system that we serve things
were absolute idiots, don't they. I mean, you know, I think
maybe it's possible that perhaps the so called life forms on ice, I'd be
very surprised if they were still alive. They're probably be in a very bad
way. And of course these so called non terrestrial vehicles that they have,
I wonder whether or not they because we hear a lot about this about you
know, one hive mind consciousness like the borg, and whether or not the
system wants to subjugate all of us to believe that we're just biological automatons with
the cell by day, But what's interesting with you is that you your narratives,
each and every one of them within your arguments, you know, with
regards to a lot of the wrongs that's being done in the world. You're
very highly structuring the way you bring this amounts and passionate. And so where
where did your awakening basically come, Steve? When did that actually all start
happening for you? Yeah, that's a really good question. I think there
was several mini awakenings. I think one was when I was a very young
man, and it sort of comes I put it into my little memoir book,
but I put it in slightly comediically, slightly tongue in cheek. But
when I came back from America, I think I had, you know,
trying to find a word on and breakdown. But I certainly felt myself falling
apart a little bit. And I went to live in a stick community in
Sussex in Heywood Seats, was called Anchor Hold, and it was run by
a Cowley father, the priest so high Anglican, but his name was Father
Slagh. But he'd been sent out to India to start a school and Christianize
Hindus. But when he got there, he found himself fascinated by Indian mythologies
by carl By. He got interested in yoga, did to Taichi, and
so the church cut off his funds and I think he's sold the school bus
to keep it going for a while. But then he came back to England.
They didn't know what to do with him, but being the church and
fairly wealthy, they said, we've got this property in Sussex. If you
run it along Benedictine lines, you know, up at six for matins in
silence after six and nine, if you run it, you can have the
house, but just leave us alone and we're not going to send you out
to do missionary work. Basically did that. So he did that, and
there were there were four novitiates there. There were a few people like me
who were just looking around and but I found something about his openness to the
whole world and to different ways of thinking about life. I've never met anyone
like that, and so that that was a bit of an eye opener for
me as as as as a very young man, I think, and then
jumping forward many decades, I think it was just a profound series of disillusionments
in the late nineties where I really did not not just vaguely think it,
but I knew, absolutely knew that we were being lied to consistently about just
about everything, really, you know, what was really happening in the world,
Who was really controlling things, how decisions were made, how people were
being controlled, you know. And then the big public events like Irraq just
crystallize that even more for me. And so I slowly felt myself drifting away
from society and drifting away from all the all the safety nets that I felt
as a child had gone. You know, that the safety net of if
you're if you're ill, there's a system that's going to look after you,
You're going to get a basic decent education. You know, fundamentally you could
trust other people. And I felt as though all those safety nets were going,
and that that worried me deeply. And so then I started reading around
a lot more, talking a lot more, thinking a lot more. And
I found the more I found out, the more hostile some people were towards
me because they didn't want me to do that. So I quite a lot
of quite a lot of battles I think went on, and then i'd appear
where I retreated. I think it just into my own, my own head.
But then I came out and started doing the YouTube things. But I
did, I did write about that. And I had a book out last
year called Sometimes I Disappear, and it's set it's set in the future,
and the main character is a woman called Ali, and it's my homage to
Orwell and people, and so it is a dystopian world. But she she
retreats completely into her private world and she does disappear sometimes. And so I
think that was a that was an act of exorcism for me. And it
was quite cathartic because I got halfway through the book and I realized I was
writing about myself, but she's also a character who was looking for redemption and
love and how to form a new sense of a community and family. And
I thought, well, you know, hopefully I'm trying to do that too,
in a very modest way. So it's interesting and sometimes after you I
don't know if you find that, but sometimes after you've done a piece of
work, you realize what you were trying to get at. Yes, I
think the idea absolutely, Steve, and I think the idea, you know,
with us when we began to see the cracks was ironically the very tool
they use for propaganda, the Internet. I mean yeah, to begin with,
it was very subtle, and I thought, well, it can be
this, it can be that. But then it got became so bold,
the complete blatant deception of many topics from this. I found it at first
hard to believe that this was driven by any kind of agenda, but eventually
it became so strong, and basically they got so damn cocky that you can
see blatantly that everything good or everything they'll be whole, so dear. It's
always like a mirror on there. It's reversed, it's completely reversed. It's
always a mirror. It's always negative. And we also find that things like
politics, most definitely politics, they controversial. These news media's, I mean
on like certain Internet channels, they cross out the comment box. They will
show they will show the likes, but not that it's life. They're moving
towards a new phase because I think they're getting desperate. They're becoming desperate because
they're losing they're losing mileage on it, and they're finding that people have basically
called their bluff and they're finding new tactics to try and brainwash people and I
did write about this in the Digital demon about the mobile phones was a magnificent,
powerful demonic tool for the young because the propaganda broadcasts on that the young
it's not their fault, would actually fall from because they wouldn't question as much
as the older and wiser people with auduo respect who have lived in the times
before the internet and before this electronic demon It's nothing wrong with technologists how it's
used. It's always abused, you know, more than not. But I
want to ask, Steve, who do you think that these etch Holon's are.
I mean, we've heard so much about the overall agenda of these faithless,
nameless bureaucrats that high behind the curtain a reality, yes, I know
so in your terminology, Steve, what do you think is their ultimate goal
at the end of the day, What do you think that their main drive
and purposes with all of this this chaos that we're experiencing at at the moment.
Well, do I do subscribe to the view that it's all about power
and that the ultimate aim is to is to own everything, is to own
or transport or food production or medicines or land, and to to to deetois
people. And I don't. I don't think beyond that there is a thought
it's a bit doctor Strange lovey. Whatever we whatever we do, we'll have
our bunker and we'll be okay. So I do think it's about it's about
power and control and a select group you know there there are there. I
do think there are the particular individuals, but often their figureheads for it.
I think people like Obamber and sorrow Us and amongst the some some of the
culprits. But I do think, yeah, I do think it's about ultimately
trying to control everyday reality and control life. And it's and it's a perverted
deification of the self. There's there's certainly a religious impulse in that. You've
only got to look at the way some people speak the messianically about to other
people. And what is good I think is that there are increasing number of
people who have woken up or waking up, I think, and I've always
thought cynicism is is you know, people think cynicism is a bad thing.
It's actually a useful philosophical tool because the cynic can always imagine something better.
So I think it is good, but it's only good if it connects people.
And yes, my sense of everyday life is that there's there's an awful
lot of antagonism and violence just in the fissures of everyday life. I remember
some weeks ago you you obviously had a bad experience driving, you know,
good Lord, Yes, that was me. And I find there's lots of
incidents like that now, and that just beneath the surface of life there is
this anger and resentment, but it has nowhere to go. And also I
think it's a fundamental misunderstanding of what human beings are. I take with you
that human beings are much more tribal than we give them credit for. Well,
I will tell you that one of the arago hangs in the car was
absolutely red faced with anger, and the ape behind was even more so.
I don't know what the hell was going on there, but I knew that
I was called between the pillar and the deep blue sea. But I remained
calm, and I thought, I'm not getting involved with this. And you
wanted you want the space there it is, it's all yours. But you're
right, there is an anger brewing, angry feel it. It's sorry,
it's horrible. That seems so quite right. If they've got no way to
for it to direct it. That's the thing. It's awful, isn't it.
It is awful, And you know, certainly the pandemic. I think
it exacerbated that, you know, this suspicion of everyone else, and yes,
keep keeping two meters away from everyone, and and people getting angry if
someone didn't have a mask or you stepped too closely. I found that deeply
disturbing. Y And but it worked. God, it worked, you know,
that's right there. And I don't think we've we've recovered from that either.
And the paranoia, yes, I experienced that myself. I couldn't believe
it because I had just gone down wearing a mask to the shop. And
an example for you, a simple example. I mean, we know it's
ridiculous. I mean, the mask can do nothing. They can do nothing.
This handkerchief or tissue paper on your on your mouth. You know,
it's just a statement, isn't it. But I was down this alley and
there was a lady with her little child at the other end, and she
would not walk through. It's quite a widely alley. She would not walk
through that alley. I had to walk through first, and she backed off.
She backed off with her child. I thought, my goodness, what
an earth are we've come to? You know, it's terrible. You're absolutely
right, Sue. Well, we can't mention the word obviously of what this
is. But it did make me laugh with David l when he said he
was in a shop and he handed over a five hour note and the shopkeepers
that I can't take that because of some And it's somebody you're selling the newspapers,
aren't you. Yes, then you couldn't win. They had battened it
down so hard there was no way out. We we we could not win.
It shows the power. There's something, as we know. I think
something quite wrong there or set respects. So Steve, where do you think?
I mean? I mean you you've been looking at these varied areas within
politics, within the world situations that's going on, and it's very You're you're
very clever the way you seem to be able to dissect and see through the
illusion of what the public are being fed through the media cartel. I mean,
where where do you think this is actually going? Now? What you
know? Where where do you see this system I call it the system is
trying to take us? Now? Where what's the next stage? Do you
think they've got set or planned because we're ready for it. Well, I
did get interested in, you know, the whole the three minute city and
the ghetto eising of land. I followed quite carefully the certainly in the States,
the way large corporations were buying up huge swathes of farmland and effectively trying
to put farmers out of business by if they wouldn't say, on making it
impossible for them to get their goods to market by closing certain roads and opening
another road one hundred miles away. And I thought, why are they doing
this? And I've I've followed one or two people who were also also following
this in the States, and they they they they were quite clear that the
idea was just to build supercities, you know, to get her eyes,
and that most people will be living in those, you know. And it's
that whole idea of you will have less, but you will have, you
will be you will be happier. So I certainly see it moving towards that
away, you know, I move away from the from from from farming,
from people owning land, from countryside into into creating incredibly dense metropolis because these
are easier to control you know, I think someone you know, I was
interested some years ago to read about the beginnings of prison systems and the idea
for the first prisons where you could create an environment where you could one or
two people could see what a lot of people are doing all at once.
And this is even before the days of television monitors. And they got the
idea from from plague plague villages where you know, people were contained, nobody
was allowed to go outside and you know, one or two people and you
know, certain certain houses were designated no go areas because they knew there was
a plague case in there. And surveillance techniques developed from from from from that.
So it's interesting that they developed from a pandemic, you know, the
view want it plague, and then that became the model for prison systems.
And obviously that's got much more refined and increasingly I have a sense of you
know, that's that's the plan to create. You know, it's kind of
England. There's a series of half a dozen gigantic prisons really where a few
people know exactly what's going on in, who's doing what, who's who's saying
what. Put more cameras in, you know, if you're driver in London,
now you can't, you know. I think that there are probably two
blind spots where you can't be seen, but everywhere, So I think that
and the surveillance society also then breeds hostility, makes people suspicious of each other,
the maybe wants to get caught out, so people then start to accept
their imprisonment. And you know, that's a really worrying thing. And I
think that's why a lot of the things that I write are about people who
are trying to break out from that, you know, and sometimes hopefully I
do, sometimes entertainingly, but you know, I'm writing as soon as the
children's books at the moment, and even there, I'm trying to do the
same thing. I think. It's it's you know, it's it's animal characters
who are accepting their truncated, squeezed reality, but it's still trying to make
a life within that and push the boundaries out a bit in terms of personal
freedoms. And that's that's all I'm trying to do. I think that that
shows through what you're describing about your your this is your world. This has
been done so many times with the Metropolis, the film, the science fiction
film by I think it was Fritz. Was it Fritz? Where there's that's
it, where there's always this either this fear of it or this hope of
it, one or the other, or this romantic notion in a science fiction
kind of sense. But it was dramatized to give the effect of what this
totalitarian force will become. It's being done again and again. So it must
be inherent, as you said, our tribal instincts. There's always something within
that kind of domination, someone, some despots somewhere, whereas I thought the
film Metropolis, which I have seen the entire film, was a prime example
of control. And also it also gave us some hope in the fact that
no matter how powerful this organization that's administration is, no matter how mighty it
might be, there's always an Achilles hill, there's always something there to bring
it down. We saw it within the film where they rebelled, the classes
underground, rebelled the work the machinery, as we saw with Adolf Hitler,
the greatest force in the world, and he was defeated. So it always
gives us hope from the old stories and from reality that no matter how powerful,
no matter how magnificent, these empires become eventually they always almost turned to
dust to give rise to a new one that follow suitus, like a recycling
where breaking that kind of recycling kind of method it's the only way, and
now it's becoming. This is exactly like Metropolis in a kind of loose way,
where these powers that be, the masters, the habit masters, where
they're never seen, where that's a dream. They see these things out off
hit they're actually watched, I believe Metropolis and he fell in love with it.
Well, there's no surprise there, Okay, yeah, yeah, is
that so I didn't I didn't. Yeah, I didn't know that. Well,
I did. What I found intriguing in many things about it was that
he got the idea of creating a focused tape group. But it's the Jews
or the Gypsies from reading American history, because he said, I looked around
the world, and you know, most of the you know, most of
the world has been colonized, so there wasn't a lot to go out and
get. So I looked to America and they did the opposite. They looked
inwards, and they took over everything inwards and destroyed whatever indigenous cultures there were,
and he said, So that's he said, that was my model.
You know, I who in German society can I demonize to the point that
it will create a collective hatred and we then we then control that and that
becomes the engine on which we can we can you know, strengthen ourselves militarily
and politically. So yeah, I didn't know that. I didn't know that
at all. I mean, he wasn't a few of them when he saw
Metropolis he was I think he was. I don't know if he was chancellor
or sonic or something to do with this hope of becoming a monster. Yeah,
I didn't know what you said about and althology. I think that you
know, Steve your ideas because you get you know, you're you're like another
David ik As it were. I mean, you've written no end of books
and scripts and so on and so forth, and and I agree with when
you you set about the awaking and all the process of waking up. And
it really is quite shocking because to some degree something's happened with good souls like
yourself and ourselves and many other people in the world, and because we see
beyond the deceptionalize, the corruption and even beyond the level of what we represent
an obvious statistetic lesson a biological or Toomotombo sell by. Don't they didn't they
denounced it and you'll see. Now the interesting thing, let's let's just figure
ot all that from the memo. But these so called experts that are wheeled
out that that narrate the official narrative. One of them is a scientist of
British scientists that everyone can't stand Oneman that he was saying they don't exist,
I mean, they're UFOs, and then all of a sudden he becomes an
expert and changes the tune. But now the light is encompassing and a blinding
everyone because we're beginning to see that the revelation is occurring with regards to people
their license. Whod it really are? I mean, how do you feel
about that? Before you continue, I just want to say the reason why
they are keeping the non human secret just because they don't I believe. I
think it could be possible that they don't want us to believe there's a power
above us. Oh that's right, but no, no, well yeah,
I agree with that, and I think it's at the heart of everything you've
just said is is the idea of consciousness, you know, and which is
something we still know very very little about. I'm not even sure that it's
outside us, but I think we're simply an expression of it, And increasingly
I find that an attractive way to think about myself. That I'm not I'm
not some you know, because it's easy to feel isolated and a bit lost
and learning in the world. But I'm an expression of something which is far
bigger than me, and is both human and non human. And I don't
I don't. I don't pretend to understand that, but I do have a
sense of it, and I have a sense in a very simple way,
so you know. For example, I used to give a little talk on
on what is an environment, and people say, well, environments somewhere where
you are, And I'd say, well, you know, if you think
of the human organism as an environment, there are billions and billions of things
that are living in you, feeding and you. Some are attacking you somewhere
on your side. Everything is moving and you think you're in charge of it.
But you know, you don't beat your heart. Your heart simply beats.
You don't breathe your lungs. You're not doing that, you don't even
think your thoughts necessarily yea, there is something going on that is a far
bigger organism that than that, that than than you are, and you're simply
an expression of that. And I find the more I think about that,
the less I feel frightened by something like like the idea of death, because
I think it's going to go on, and it does make me feel connected
to things bigger than myself. I remember listening to as a favorite kind of
comedian of mine George Carlin, the American who Whoo, who had a rent
against hardline environmentalists, who insisted that you have to do this, you have
to do that, you gotta put your car where you can never do.
And he said, my view is that the planet is fine, the world
is fine. It's us who are in trouble. And it might be that
we go and when we go there might be something much more interesting that we
could ever be. But how lucky we are to be a footnote in that
story. And I find I find that thoughts like that just I find them
sustaining only because they enlarge you, and they enlarge your thinking. So I
do think, you know, the idea of some kind of universal consciousness.
And I don't fully understand even what I mean by that is is good And
sometimes if i'm if I'm running a writing workshop, it's it's it's on the
idea of parallel lives, you know. And I love this idea, which
I think is gaining some credence in science, that the you know, twenty
years ago when you sat in a cafe and you could have gone off to
have this incredible adventure, but you didn't. You stayed at home and worked
in the bank or whatever. But on some in some parallel universe, you
did go off, and that life is happening. You may not be conscious
of it, but you may get a glimpse at the corner of your eye
of of you, you know, walking across to heat, eating or pomegranate,
or fishing in the Caribbean, or going into outer space. And I
have a sense of that too, because I mean, perhaps like yourselves.
But I find I increasingly spent a lot of time talking to people, not
just people, but animals who were in my life who've gone. You know,
my parents are still very real to me, and my grandparents are very
real to me, and so I think there is there is something way beyond.
Oh, I told to God, and I mean, you know this
is absolutely true, perhaps twenty five years ago. This is what really propelled
us into it, as well as many other things. That one time,
Philip and I were very down and the clouds were It was very cloudy in
the sky, the moon was out, and within perhaps perhaps five seconds,
me and him locked up. And what had happened. There was this lion
staring down at me and Philippi. It was a perfect shape of a line.
It's somehow the clouds had shaped into a perfect place of a line.
You could even see the stars twinkling through his eyes. And I know it's
a cheap cop out to say we didn't have mobile phones, and we didn't,
but he was just staring down at as. I took that as a
sign, so I think we all are what you said, expression, that's
beautiful. You are an expression. I also have had those experiences where multidimensional
realities I absolutely believe because memory and also sometimes when I don't know how it
operates, but sometimes I could be relaxing and then I get this image,
or it could be looking at something that could be completely random or apparently random
light, the light coming through the blinds of the room or whatever, and
in an instant I get this overwhelming sense of immortality, of freedom, of
a sense of connection. And I do sometimes see these different worlds that are
hard to explain or find parallel words. Well, I'm not saying I walk
into them, but certainly here because the brain is the transmitter and receiver of
consciousness and a cause consciousness is locked into this reality. But I agree with
you. I think and feel that it is able on some occasions to run
rampant, but can come back and has to come back while we're in this
form. But there's something I want to ask you, Steve this. You
know, you know we're all looking for the holy grail of the big answer
of what this is all about? And even one greatest philosopher couldn't Bertrand Russell
because I remember there was a famous story of someone being in a cab and
the cab drivers said, oh, so Bert, what's it all about?
And then someone turned down and said, you know, he didn't have a
bloody clue. You know, in terms of this, this this whole our
genus as a human form and going through this lighted dart, I think Steve
said an expression, yeah, I will just say here, and I will
joke with Steve here that I've always said that when I get back to the
other side, I'm going to get a refund. And then I'm going to
say, what on earth was that all about? Because he left scratching my
head thinking why have we put ourselves through all of this? But it could
be that we're creating memories or going to an experience of utilizing memory that's sent
back or included into the greater reality of where we all comfort. Who knows
that maybe possible, but I love your sense of irony. It's wonderful.
They're going to take you back to the reincarnation. Now I'm not going there.
I'm going to see right there and I'm going to be walking the other
pace. I'm going to throw a spanner in that reincarnation chamber. However it's
done, because we don't know, but I'll be having words. But I
think it's fascinating. And what you said, that word, that word just
exemplifies everything expression. I think that's beautiful. It's so out expression. Yes,
did you ever meet Allan Watts Steve No, I didn't know, but
I certainly enjoy He talks a lot bit and also because you know, there's
such common sense. He's got that ability to think step by step through things,
and he's got a sense of humor. And certainly some of these talks
have been eye opening moments for me. For example, when he talks about
translations in the Bible, and you know, he says, the orthodox Christian
view, of course, of course, is that Christ was the son of
God. And he said, this is a mistranslation. And in the King
James, if you look the word these italicized, and that's not to give
its emphasis emphasis, it's because they don't quite know. But there are certain
Hebrew scholars who said that what Christ actually said was I am a son of
God. And what that means is we all we are all the children of
God and what and Alan Watt said, you know, but the high priests
in the church didn't want that because then they lose their authority for all sons
of God. So they keep they kicked Jesus upstairs, you know, he
says, and they say, he's you know, he's the son of God,
so no one else can be. But that's I like that ubiquitous notion
that you know, if there is a deity and we are all some kind
of manifestation of it, then that there's a democratization of it. We are
actually all in it. And there's an image that Stephen and Kid is slightly
different. It's tangential, I think, but an image that Stephen king Us
used to use a lot about tapping into the unconscious, and I guess it's
a bit like Young's collective unconscious. But he said, what's my best work
has done when I go down to the pool and drink? And what he
meant by the pool was that the collective sum of human memories and emotions and
fears and sensations and joys. And at his most intense moments, he felt
he could go down and just get a taste of that and that was kind
of global and ubiquitous, and then bring it back and show people. And
you know, I don't I think if you have a few moments in your
life where you feel that you're doing that, I've had a couple, I
think, And I think that that was extraordinary. I was I was lucky
enough to be just have a glimpse of something so much bigger than myself.
But the connection was consciousness, you know, And that's why I've always liked
Young's idea of the collective unconscious. I still don't fully understand it, but
I do have a sense of what he means, and I think it's a
very attractive and and and sensible idea. You know, this is where people
actually connect. And I've always sort of literature as that it's it's where you
try and you dig a little tunnel down and then you try and connect with
others through reading and stuff and create a you know, a community of consciousness
suring at the time I think of oh, I would say perhaps more innocent
than now, the time of innocence where they look upon this control now and
it is absolutely true. I'm sorry for have to say that they are aiming
for total control with technology. Why is it always abused? It's like the
Internet itself. They create a wonderful thing at the time for spending of information
and you'll have to buy a FIREWALLFA because it's infiltrated. That's only a minor
part of this abuse. So it's sad, isn't it When you look back
at that. That's quite charming to look about. They still utilize this and
it always is the network to real people in as prisoners. Prisoners control control,
I was going to say, I love the idea of your suggestion about
dipping into that pool. I think with both my brother and myself and your
good self. With literature, I mean I love some of the old classics,
some of the children classics like Alice in Wonderland, the images of Arthur
Rackham, and the sense of realism and the real connection that you get by
looking at these illustrations, not just a story that maps within your mind as
you sit and I think it's beautiful. But I think that what's happening now
is the system is restructuring itself to take that magical way, and you know,
really condensed because we're seeing these changes. But thank God that you know,
you and I are, many other people are on that page. So
what gives you your inspiration as well? What really motivates you? Steve?
I just feel driven, and I feel excited about just being able to use
my senses, and I feel privileged to just go from walk and see the
flowers grow and look at animals. So I think it's I think it's that
I've never grown up properly. Yes, the part of the magic, isn't
it certainly does change a lot of things for us. But sometimes it's very
hard to live in the moment without worrying about other things. That is kind
of like swamping our consciousness. But I have to say to you that you
know the work that you've achieved, your children's books, your thrillers, your
it goes. I think that Aldance books as well. There's quite charming because
I've created for me a mechanical dog. When I was a kid, I
wanted one. I was so desperate to have one, so we tried to
build him out of beer cats, beer cats. We had nothing when the
technologically, you know, takeable as a kid to use. But but he
in this mechanical dog of ours, he hasn't left us. So as you
said, like I want to build a life sized model of him, I'm
not skilled enough to make him move really. But it's like you said,
when you're talking about the that I think it's the child in us. As
you said, that beautiful measics that hasn't died. People do, some of
them. They kill the child off too, so they grow up too fast.
If we inherit that child and keep that child as we should, then
that is the magic, that is the beauty, you know. Yeah,
yeah, I mean I love you. Some of your your figurines and your
advatars and images that you create. I think they, you know, they
really speak to me. And I think the magnetics and they take you somewhere.
You know. That's what's the glorious thing about that I was, you
know, I was telling that someone the other day about something that I'd completely
forgotten. My childhood where a lot of my childhood I spent with puppets.
I loved I love puppets. But I had a friend down the road and
we would spend everyone else was doing things in the holidays, but we were
making creatures out of papier mache and pipe cleaners and painting them, and then
when it got to dusk, we would just put them on the pavement and
then hide behind the hedge and watched the neighbor's reactions. And there was a
certain there was a certain childish satisfaction in just watching the wonder sometimes the horror,
you know, creating an effect and making making something, you know,
and I've always found I'm not great with spiders, but I've always found the
idea of spinning something out of yourself, you know, these beautiful things.
You go for a walk on a on on early in the morning and the
grass is just a filigree, a cathedral of lacy structures. So yeah,
but I think it is about keeping, you know, keeping that child alive
inside you and and living there. And it's where I'm happiest actually, when
when I'm being that and sort of playing. You know, there's nothing more
serious than being playful, I think. And because you find things because you
don't. You don't you have a spirit of curiosity, and you don't think
you know the aunt or everything. You know you know you're dead that you
think you know everything. And that's one of the things I find very difficult
about a lot of people in the modern world who they've got a view of
things and they're damn right, and they're going to you know, it's either
you're either with us or you're against us, and this is the only way
to think about this, and I just can't tap into that. And that's
where I think that's Any kind kind of electronic manipulation with the brain is an
absolute disaster waiting to happen, and it's a monstrosity because it will kill or
dampen it. It wouldn't kill it anything, but that will dampen it.
And it will destroy creativity. And that's what you're saying as beautiful playing and
also creating you. So we also find inspiration through others characters. Yes,
you know sometimes you want to be those people or play that part, or
live in that timeless moment where you can reenact the scene over and over and
over again. So I think as as we are to a degree act as
as well in life, those that use and the creative aptitude, which is
incredibly important with how we not only view others but also try and get in
touch with ourselves, the multi dimensional self as it were. So I think
it's because some people want to be Darth Vader, even though he's even to
kill people but is glorified in films. It's that's okay because we know it's
fiction. You better, we can prior Marple the it's the awe of the
essence of that energy that encapsulates the individual, like, wow, look at
this thing. I mean, you know, I remember when we first saw
Darth there, You've never seen anything like it quite like in your life.
It's like really shocking, and see if an art deta. We were shocked.
But creation the mind and George Lucas he used his like you use yours
and many others usen it is incredibly vast, and it's like as a sort
of reservoir which is beautiful, where we can all have a little dip in.
Well you've got it as well. You've just got to get in touch
with it. But it's lowly. They can find it through you. But
it's like the actors as well. I would never thought I'd be so amazed
by, like Miss Marple the nineteen eighties version Joan Hicks. I think with
the characters in that, you know, and I kept watching them again and
again and they're thinking afterwards, what is this fascination with these people is because
of the characters. It's the way they talked to move. They were fascinating.
Lady Sedgwick who got away in a carn't smash it didn't shet that whole
tell Badine, and also Jeremy Bretta. Sherlock Holmes, well great and he
actually he brought that chart. He's became Sherlock Holmes and this deeply troubled soul
with his powerful shadow self and sometimes his makeup was so white, you know,
there was something vampiric and this and you knew he had this intense in
a life. No, I agree, that was certainly one of my favorites
too. And yeah, I mean what as sometimes when you say keep the
child in yourself, people think it's all in terms of innocence and purity,
but it's not. It's it's also allowing yourself the freedom to be the beast
sometimes, because that's what you do when your child. You want to be
powerful and you want to be strong and take the world on, but you
also want to be small and be comforted. And it's that, why,
Pat, that's that very very palette that you you need to just to try
and nourish yourself through life a little bit more. Well, did you know
we're coming to the end of the show, Steve, And it has been
an intellectual treat to see how you'll grapple with these of now you're using Professor
Marian. Yes, so it's been a real joy. And I've just got
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Okay, Well, you can always get in contact with me through my
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