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Fame, he'd liked to be walked
on a leash and play really dirty kinky

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sex games. Is uh the guy
put the cock in the peacock network.

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Okay, bitch, hey, everybody, aj Benzi here with fame as a

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bitch. This is your free show
for February seventh, twenty twenty four.

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Yes, Berdiees, it's been very, very wet out here in Shittown,

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California. Actually a lot of states
are getting tons of brain go having houses

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washed down streets. Two days ago, I saw a baby grand piano slide

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down in muddy streets. So people
are losing their most prized possessions left and

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right. Not to mention. As
I mentioned on the Patreon show, it

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must be affecting in a bad way
the migrants who are coming here through San

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Diego because the weather down there,
I mean, complete beaches have been washed

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away. Mission Beach is shot,
which is a big popular spot down there,

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beautiful part of America. It's getting
destroyed by this storm. People see

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rain. They make fun of Los
Angeles a lot because whenever it rains hard

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here for days, they get right
on it and call it a storm watch.

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They make sure they tell you all
about it. I used to laugh

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when I came here in and said, storm watch it's raining. Then you

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live for here a little longer,
and you see what rain does to the

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hills, How houses slide down hills
and end up at the pit of a

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valley, and people get stuck in
cars. It's an awful mess. It's

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just awful. So I was thinking
about you birds. It's no fun to

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fly around that rain. Don't hear
little trip trips by the window. But

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here I am throwing out some free
food in the hope that you'll come to

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patreon dot com slash fames a bitch, as many of you have, I

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wanted to tell you today of this
story of how it all began at the

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at the beginning for me, when
I became a gossip commnist for New York

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News Day that came before the New
York Daily News. And the way that

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happened is basically, in a very
brief way, I'll say that I was

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married for five years and we got
divorced, and after five years, in

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one day, I kept the house
we bought. She moved to an apartment

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nearby. I had some money in
my banking campus. The house of my

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youth was sold, and after everybody
took their piece of it, me Jen

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the Rain and Frankie, Rosalie and
Jack. We paid off bills that we

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had, what have you, mortgages, whatever people wanted to do with it,

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and then we had some leftover.
I paid for my ex wife's college

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education when it came to her master's
degree, which I don't regret. She

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became a teacher and still as one
to this day. And I had like

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thirteen thousand leftover to myself and all
was said and done, so I never

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played with a bank card before.
I'm loving this go to the bank and

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taking money out of the account.
They never had that before. When I

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was married, I said, bring
home my check to my wife, give

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it to her, and she would
bank it. I didn't touch money.

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I would say, I'm gonna go
to home deep on eed, fifty bucks

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okay here, So I'd walk around
with ten bucks in my pocket. That

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was it just suck my father.
Now I'm ripping through this money like crazy.

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But I'm going to Manhattan. I'm
looking for stuff in Manhattan. I'm

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having the fun at the bars and
the restaurants of places I never dreamed i'd

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get into. So I'm having a
ball, dating girls, meeting crazy people

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in New York City. Suddenly I
find some information that I've got a club.

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At a party, I see Cindy
Crawford making out with another female model

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named Gail Elliott. I call the
gossip columnists at the paper I worked at

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Newsday at this point, all long
owned. Linda Stacey wrote the gospel columnists.

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The gossip colump at New York Newsday
called Inside New York, and she

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wrote from Park Avenue, Manhattan.
I gave it a bit, she'd get,

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Look, i'll pay you money.
Every week. You want to go

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to nightclubs and bring me back some
stories, I'll give you fifty bucks the

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story. I said, great,
So I'll make it a little side hustle,

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staying in the city. Finally,
eventually she goes, why don't you

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come work for us one day a
week on Fridays. I'll help you.

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I'll watch you put the page together. I'll teach you the ins and outs

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of it. And I said,
that's great. That's what I want.

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Because I was tired of sports.
I wanted to get into gossip and entertainment

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writing. So one day a week
I'm in Manhattan now working with Linda.

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I felt amazing. I was doing
a Boom at night, you know,

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my Buddy's restaurant down in Soho.
I'd walk from parking like thirty fourth all

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the way to Boom, all the
way downtown, just because I felt great.

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I felt like I didn't weigh anything. I love the New York City

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streets. A little money in your
pocket, you know, just disguised the

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limit. So one day Linda takes
me and this other guy that worked with

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her, Doug Vaughan. There's an
old man who worked with her named Tony

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Skududo, but he was just sent
to her page. He probably wrote one

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or two items a week, and
he was nothing. So I would come

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in on Fridays and take over for
him while he would go home and rest

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because he was old, in his
late sixties. And Linda says, mort

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Zuckerman wants to pay me a lot
of money to come to the New York

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Daily News when he buys it,
which is going to take place in a

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day or two. What should I
do? I said, you should go.

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She goes, He's gonna pay me
a lot of money. I said,

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go mean, while I'm thinking what
about me? And she goes,

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well, I told him, if
i'd go, I'm taking my boys with

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me. I'm taking you and Doug, and we looked like we were really

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happy. Doug. Doug was that
openly gay guy, which wasn't easy for

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a kid from Mississippi, but he
had a biting wit and nothing ever seemed

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to shake him. And I guess
that Tony's could do. That. Was

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an old timer who wrote a book
on Bob Dylan once got him some buzz.

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Otherwise they banished him to the gossip
page because he was too old and

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stoddch she didn't cover anything else.
They tried to get him to take a

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buy out, but he didn't want
to. Budge had a nurse nice earn

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there in New York news Day,
got a great paycheck, and basically I

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guess that wrote like one or two
items a week for Linda's page. And

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Linda's page inside Neurope was the funniest
and also the most interesting gossip column in

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New York City. I had a
female voice to it, and on Today's

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page I talk about why female comics
never work on late night TV. I

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have my theories, but a gossip
columns from a female voice was very different.

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In a lot of ways, especially
from her vantage point having been divorced

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and now raising a child alone.
And Linda had Linda brought with her,

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brought to the page the way she
lived her life. It was very interesting

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and she got letters of congratulations from
big, heavy female and male writers across

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the city, so she felt great. We were humming along. She takes

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me and Doug to the Daily News. How much money you want to make,

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she asked me. I said,
I don't know. I didn't know

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what to say. I was just
I was working shifts at Newsday. You

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know, I'm like, can you
get me sixty a year? And she

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goes, oh, I'll do better
than that. So I just left it

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up to her, and she did
much better than that. For my first

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gig in a newspaper full time,
I did great. Most journalists don't get

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that, ever, what I got
in the first year. But I'm sitting

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there at human resources with Doug.
Doug Vaughan was his name, and you

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know, we're hard, we're human
resources, We're filling out paperwork. It's

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all good. And all of a
sudden, Doug looks over to me and

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he goes, yeah, I can't
do this anymore. I said, yeah,

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take it home, finish it at
home. I'll talk to you tomorrow.

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He goes, no, No,
I'm done. I'm done with gossip.

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I'm done with Linda. You're a
boy. Now you stay, you

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do your think. I'm gonna do
something else. I said, you sure,

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because yeah, yeah, I've been
tired of this for a while.

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He just got something leaves. I
told Linda. She goes, fuck him.

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Whoever works for me does very well
in life. Doug will be fine.

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And Doug did fine. She was
right. He went to NBC Television

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Rose the Ranks was in charge of
the Today's Show years back, vice president

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of Special Programs, in charge of
Jay Leno, SNL Late Night with Jimmy

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Fallon Carson Daily. Doug blew up
over there. So for a while it

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was her and I writing perfectly together
this column called hot Copy for the Daily

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News. Linda wanted the third person. She asked me who I knew.

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I suggested Michael Lewitis from Rubinstein Public
Relations. One day, Michael called me

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and said, I would do anything
to write for you and Linda because I

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know so many people in the city. I could really help. But I'm

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like Michael. You went to Yale
university. What do you want to do

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with it? With that degree?
To be a gossip college. I don't

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care. That's what I love to
do. And it's true. He did

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have a lot of contact. Contacts
are a big part of that job,

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so as humor, and Mikey had
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a very woody Allen type humor.
We loved each I loved it. I

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still love him to this day.
So I kept him in mind, and

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eventually I told Linda that Michael might
be a good addition. She was like,

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he went to Yale. I said, I know, I talked to

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him about that, but he just
want the position here. He knows everybody,

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he knows the pr people. He
could be a good addition, Linda.

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He'll do what you tell him to
do. Blah blah blah. And

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I said, well, work great
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downtown, He'll be uptown. He'll
burg got great. She was, tell

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him, he's got to give us
a really big story first. So I

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called him, go, Michael,
Linda's gonna take you on, but you

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gotta deliver a big story because I
know exactly what story to do. What's

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that he goes, Well, I
know a girl who doesn't want to admit

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it, but she told me that
Woody Allen was writing her as a pen

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pal when she was very underage and
he wrote some things to her on that

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page that didn't really sit right with
her as she got older and re read

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them. I said, that's fucking
great. This is during the sunny preven

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bullshit, so that was a huge
story. I said, get it,

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do it. He came in the
office one day he presented the story and

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Linda, she loved it, and
we watched him to go to town and

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try to get it and at the
last minute. The girl who was the

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pen pal a woman by the name
of Nancy Joe Sales, So she's a

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woman now. She wrote her first
magazine piece on me for a New York

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magazine about me being a gossip columnist, and she almost got me killed.

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But she now has a very big
byline for Vanity Fair and different different periodicals,

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mainly Vanity Fair. She was Woody
Allen's penpal and when Michael told you

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he's gonna write this story so we
can get a job for us, she

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said, no, flat out,
if you ever write it, you'll never

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talk to me again. And I
can tell Michael was crushing on the girl

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a little bit, and he comes
back from the phone just all four along.

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I said, Mikey, you can't
let that bother you. Everybody's gonna

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tell you they'll never talk to you
again. Everybody's going to tell you the

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disappointed in you. It doesn't matter. They all come around. I'm doing

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this for a year now, They're
all gonna come around. Mike. Don't

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worry about Believe me, you didn't
lose her. Linda says, fuck that.

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If you don't write it, I'll
never want to see in this office

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again. Linda was so tough.
I'm like, relax, relax, don't

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worry. Michael writes the story.
Of course, the girl complained and called

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him and said, you rap,
bast I'll ever talk to you again.

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They ended up talking again, so
it all goes away in a period of

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time. But Michael got his job
because of that, because Lida said it's

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either her or us, and that
story went to page one. Woody Allen

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used to have an underage pen pals, big story. After that, we

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hired Michael full time double this salary
at Rubenstein Public Relations, and initially Linda

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put Michael through all sorts of shit
that she put me through when I got

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the job. You get Linda a
clothee in the morning, get the three

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newspapers we write up against, have
them spread out on her desk so she

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can see each pages, got each
paper's gossip, calm, and she reads

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them all. We all sit there
with a cup of colffee and she'll say,

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who's this? What is the post
of this story? Don't you know

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so and so at that nightclub?
Yeah, I find out why that guy

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didn't give you the story. I'm
pissed off or else, tell them we'll

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never write a fucking thing on this
nightclub again. Lindibig gets so overboard and

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so angry that one birthday I bought
her an electric chainsaw and I put it

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together. We left at the bottom
of her desk. People came in,

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giving a shit like an editor.
She would thought the chain saw in a

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funny way, and people would laugh, like, could you imagine nowadays having

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a chain shaw at your desk.
She didn't give a shit, But little

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by little, that female voice in
the page was being kind of I was

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speaking louder than it. She was
letting me. By the way, it

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wasn't just me playing a power game. She was letting me, which was

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really nice of her. But she
would go banana if she saw a story

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in another paper. We both had
the same source. She waned a walk,

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did that store us go to them
and not for us? She was

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relentless, And then we started to
sail along just perfectly. We were a

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very different group of gossip columns columnists. I mean, we broke stories on

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a daily basis, and we kept
you laughing from the first sentence of the

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last sentence. Not many pages did
that, In fact, none of them

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did that. Linda had politics covered
in a lot more, you know.

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I had the mob and the downtown
scene covered Hollywood supermodels. Michael let uptown.

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He went to a lanes every night, always going to Friar's events with

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the tux A lot of nights Michael
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I didn't wear a tux once in
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Michael Wallman like once a week,
two different guys doing two different things for

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the same page. And as things
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columnists coming at our page in a
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add someone else. Just someoney on
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to get tips from people a lot. One kid from some South Jersey named

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Chauncy Hayden who used to put together
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Out, and he always had an
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interviewed the celebrity for the middle of
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He in to be like a lot
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of Jersey people, sopranos people.
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He interviewed like some major people over
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quotes where some would put their foot
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them the different gossip. Thomas.
He always came to us first and we'd

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give him a big write up.
So I said, you know, I'm

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thinking about Tchauncy come in Linda once
a week. He always has these articles

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in his magazine where he gets the
celebrity to put their foot in the mouth

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and it goes everywhere all over the
country. He'd be good if we had

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mere once a week. That way
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She liked the idea we called him
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on. We just let him go
and it was going well. You know,

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we'd print his little tidbits from his
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like, I don't know if we
want to do this anymore. I said,

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why He's I don't know, you
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salary I was getting in New Jersey. It's enough money. I know you

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guys can pay more, but I
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the whole show out there, and
I'm able to give my articles to more

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than one newspaper. I just feel
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if you're uncomfortable, Chauncy, no
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what you're doing. We'll find someone
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him up because he just finished a
book of putting together thirty of his interviews

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over the years and some of the
quotes he got from these people. I'm

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gonna read you some at the end
of this. If not, go to

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go to tomorrow's Patreon and you'll hear
it there. At patreon dot com.

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Slash famous a bit everybody from Howard
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would be gold but you name it. He interviewed them all interesting stuff.

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But there was a third guy I
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someone who could ask the questions that
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who'd go to events that I didn't
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at this five six years Linda retired, left the page to me and Michael.

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The page became a male dominated page. Obviously. I met with mart

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Zuckerman. I promised I wouldn't cover
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his feathers ruffled. I said,
it's gonna be Hollywood, it's gonna be

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gossip, it's gonna be this.
That he agreed. He gave me a

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bumpin' salary and it was my page, plus another column on Sunday that was

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just about me and what I did
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but it was great. I loved
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was always giving us items. He
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in the village or a lower east
side, a lot of like neighborhood politics

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going on, and Jimmy loved that
shit. Hey would give us stuff that

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had to do with nightclubs, down
their parking policies, anything that would make

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people going to nightclubs pissed off.
Plus, his sister was a dominatrix I

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knew, and into the drug scene. I figured, if I get Jimmy,

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I'll have the sister's dominatrix world.
I'll have politics with him to be

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lost with Linda. Plus I'll have
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and I don't want to go to
any months perfect. That's the same reason

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why then they got me. She
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She wanted somebody with young legs,
and now so did I. I didn't

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want to go to sixteen places all
night. I want to go to two

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places see my girlfriend. Relax.
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the gas for a while at the
end of my run. So Jimmy came

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up with great stories. I wanted
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to saying money in the budget,
I said, we're gonna lose this

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guy, and I knew I wasn't
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we're gonna lose this guy if you
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to pay him. He'll take it. He wants to be a part of

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the paper. He wants to be
a journalist and stay a journalist. He

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already is, but he's got big
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Martin Dunn, said no, there's
no money. I went over his

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head to mort' Zackerman, which is
a big mistake. You don't go to

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the owner and publisher when your editor
says no. And when I went to

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more It said I'll think about it. But he told Martin, get your

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nights in a row. You sent
up a soldier to talk to me about

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money. That's your problem, not
my problem. Martin ripped me in a

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new ass. He left the door
open while he did it. The whole

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newsroom heard it. And before I
left the office, there were two different

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newspapers working on that gossip buyer.
And that's the way papers work. People

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see what happened in the newsroom,
they call him the newspaper. They want

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favors down the road too. It's
a very very You want to take a

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shower, trust me after you've done
working. But I had to tell Jimmy

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there's none money for him, so
he politely had to leave and guess what

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Hi by the New York Times.
Okay, Jimmy was a New York Times

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reporter. Still writes for the New
York Times at large, but he was

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a White House senior reporter. It
was a big shot. Then they gave

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him an even larger role. Ended
up interviewing me when he covered the Hobby

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Weinstein trial. Still works for The
Times, bought a house in the Hamptons.

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Writes from home these days part time
nice. I knew he was right,

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but what can I tell you?
One damn at Rosie in Jack's house

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when I was at a dull working
as a cabb and working at Best Buy

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and I needed some extra money,
I said, let me talk to Chauncey

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about writing for Stepping Out. So
we met in New York City. We

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met at a place on Bleaker Street
called Caliente Cab Company. It was kind

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of damp out, reigning, a
little bit shitty day to be in the

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city. We sit down, we
get some food to margarita, and Chauncey

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tells me I'm leaving New York.
I'm leaving Jersey. I'm taking the operation

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with me. I'm going to go
to Ireland. I said, what the

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fuck? Island? What are you
doing now? Truncy's a red haired you

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know, looks like a Viking.
He's got that somewhere in his blood.

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He goes, I'm gonna go there. What happened? He goes, I

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went there on a trip. I
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She won't tell me where she's staying. She won't tell me anything about

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the baby. Apparently it's a little
girl that she's expecting. I gotta be

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there and find this kid. He
dropped everything, he gave away all he

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owned, left his place with a
toothbrush, and went to Ireland in search

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of his baby daughter. Because I
was in the restaurant that day and I

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said to them, Truncy, I'd
already had Roxy was three or four years

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old. This to Truncy, you
cannot have a little girl out there and

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never see her. You gotta go. I understand completely. You gotta go

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and take care of it. Once
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to. He goes out there,
thinking, maybe in a month he come

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back with a hotailway tween his legs. But no, he said, there's

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no turning back. I kept in
touch with him. First few years were

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hell. Legal costs, not no
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He said, I was like my
cousin Vinnie, but with an Irish

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brogue. Isolated, he felt very
It felt impossible, but he refused to

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give up. Turn through religion,
beg God to help him, or else

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he would returned. But if he
found that, he'd be the best father

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on earth and state in Ireland.
Well seven years later, founder now his

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Facebook is full of pictures of him
and her. The mother's not in the

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picture, not that I gather.
And he is the best dad and loves

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his little girl so much. And
he told me he promised God. If

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he promised God, he wouldn't let
him down if he gave him the chance

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and granted him that wish of finding
that little girl. And now he lives

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every day to make sure he keeps
up his end of the bargain. He

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told me so. He asked me
to write the forward of this book he's

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got coming up, and I did
so, and I wrote It was sometime

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in the early nineties that I was
given the reins to a gossip calumn ran

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in the New York Daily News called
Hot Copy. It was as tabloid newspapers

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Go considered the must read to many
of the city's inhabitants, not the least

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of which were the millions who commuted
there via the bridges and tunnels that connected

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Gotham to the Five boroughs in the
great state of New Jersey. Writing the

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column was a true labor of love
for me, and I did so for

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seven years. At the crux of
it all was being at the helm of

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the paper in the midst of the
great tabloid War of the nineties. Back

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then, in the pre Internet and
pre Google days, the way we knew

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our papers were performing was measuring the
stacks of the Daily News and the New

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York Post and Newsday at the many
newstands that dotted the city. If the

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stack of the News was lower,
I knew we were doing a good job.

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If the stack was higher, that
I knew the Post or Newsday had

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a better edition, and I better
hit the phones hard when I got my

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office. Many people make up a
gossip gom Other than tips from publicists and

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agents and club owners, etc.
It sometimes came down to calling up someone

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I always knew had the goods.
Trauncey Hayden always had the goods. During

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the nineties, there wasn't a better
man to go to. An incredible knack

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of getting a celebrity to agree to
an interview inside his free newsprint New Jersey

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Man called stepping out. Whenever I
was in dire need to close out the

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column, I just wanted a juicy
quote from an interview Chauncy conducted. I'd

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bring him up. He had this
incredible ability to have celebrities admit to things

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that would go on to become big
stories of their own right. It may

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have been a quote maybe Fisher Howard's
Durn Boy, George, Tom Jones,

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Debbie Harriet Vanilla Eyes. It didn't
matter. It is an easy answering the

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celebrity questions. There's unique talent in
making them feel comfortable enough to open their

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hearts for the world to see.
And whenever I called Chauncey form one of

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these interviews, he delivered because Chauncy
always had the goods. So I'm going

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to read you a couple of quotes
from some of these interviews and you'll get

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to know what I meant. And
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going on. Was there a little
relationship between Hunter Biden and Kate Quigley,

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a comedian who almost died of a
cocaine with those one three of her friends?

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Did all in the patreon be sure
to go so a couple of quotes.

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I'll leave you with Sybil Shepherd told
Chauncy. I always felt that when

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Elvis sang, oh you lonesome tonight, that there was a loneliness in him

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that would never be satisfied. At
the time I knew Elvis, I didn't

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realize the full extent of that addiction
until many years later after he had died.

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I think he had five different drugs
in him aut a old times,

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and enough that any of those would
have killed him on his own. And

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he had five different ones. That
was really hushed up because we didn't want

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to mar his great talent and his
great heart. Hmmm, see that hushed

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up, O'Neil. I would like
to be remembered as someone who worked really

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hard and came back for nothing.
Literally nobody thought ever work again. I

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went through a very dry period in
my career. I say this to my

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kids when it was so hard for
me to be out in public and to

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believe in myself was what I needed
to be doing the most. When I

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did finally do it, it was
like getting back on the horse. That

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is something I think will be remembered
about me. I don't know, Tatum,

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looking back, that quote doesn't really
stand Donald Trump. I learned that

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I can handle pressures. When the
real estate market collapsed, I was in

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some pretty serious financial trouble. I
had many friends who went bankrupt, but

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I fought through it and didn't have
any of those legal maneuvers, and today

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my company is much stronger than it
ever was. I guess I learned that

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I can handle adversity and pressure in
bed times. Something you don't know if

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you can handle until it actually happens
to you. Well, it's happening right

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now, Donald, and we don't
know if you're going to come through this

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unscathed. Fuck that you're already scathed, if that's even a word seth mcfallen's

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that's something that I think is truly
awful. I think nine to eleven has

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been, to be honest, they're
a very huge overreaction. Just speaking completely

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honestly, I'm not a fatalist.
I think of myself as a man of

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science, and you know, to
me, it seems like it was horrifying

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and it was terrible, but at
the same time, you can't let it

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completely disrupt everything. It seems we're
living in a world now that is much

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less pleasant place than it was ten
years ago, and I don't think that's

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essential. I think that September eleventh
has been used as a tool of fear

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by those in power. Certainly,
what an asshole, horrible Bill Maher.

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First of all, it's hard to
argue with the simple truth that people who

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fly suicide missions aren't cowardly. One
thing I'm always amazed by is that with

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all these suicide missions that the Palestinians
undertaken so forth, I never read about

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one guy who at the last minute
went what the fuck am I doing?

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I mean, wouldn't you think if
you were able to walk into a place

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and blow yourself up, somebody along
the way would say, what the fuck

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am I crazy? Let's get out
of here, but they always go through

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with it. Joanath Dickinson. Dickinson
said, what really hurt me was when

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Sliced Alone said one of the reasons
he didn't want to be with me besides

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the kid, was that I was
too old for him. I said,

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define old, and he said,
when you're going through the pet shop,

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you buy the puppy, not the
old dog. I thought that was a

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really stupid thing to say. That
bothered me. Who the hell did he

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think he was telling me that shit
for Anyhow, David Caruso, I was

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hoping MIPD Blue would loosen my schedule
up like they did for George Clooney when

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he was making Batman. They let
him work weekends and stuff like that.

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Anyway, I proposed, for lack
of a better term, for precedent,

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that had never been done before,
and everyone panicked on me. So they

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decided the best thing for the show
was to me to leave. So in

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reality I was fired. They said, you go far with your motion picture

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career, and we're going to go
far without you. I've told this story

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five of the times, but nobody
will print it. Nobody wants to believe

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it. This is terrible. Ja
Jacaboa said, Darling, look at how

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Michael Jackson looks. He doesn't want
to be black and he can't be white.

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I think it looks awful. I
mean, I just think that Michael

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is a very sick man. I
think Madonna's just his bad. She also

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has such a big talent, yet
she believes like she behaves like a street

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walker. And explained to me,
Elizabeth Taylor, you knows she's my next

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door neighbor, right, But I
can't understand why she would defend him.

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Do you think it's for publicity?
And Finally, Pauline Pozakova said, do

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you really think Jade Barrymore and Pharah
Fawcett look hot and playboy? I don't

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think so. Those pictures gave me
nightmares. I thought they looked like train

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wrecks. Geez, somebody should have
told them to do better. Excuse me,

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Pauline, it you ended up posing
quite a bit lately, and Jade

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and Pharah looked a lot better than
you. Gotta be careful what you say.

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It comes back to bite you in
the ass. Finally, Victoria Gotti

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said, my father hated to see
any of us under any situation. Cry

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and thinking back now as a little
girl, it was hard not to.

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But my father's attitude if you skin
your knee, thought of the cry was

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you're tougher than this. You don't
have to cry over this. You cry

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when you really need those tears,
and I hope the god you'd ever need

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them. Now, stop crying,
Carrot Top. Some comics say my act

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there's a piece of crap, but
then four thousand people will line up to

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see me perform. Well, do
I care more about the fans or this

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one guy who was sitting in a
room without a window, going fuck Carrot

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Top? Henry Winkler. The first
time I said a as the funds it

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was because there was too much dialogue, so I set it to reduce language

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to sound. I never would have
guessed how popular it would become. All

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I knew back then was that I
was getting paid and I bet them up

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with stuff and be funny. Man, Look where that took him. I

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don't think I have Howard's dorning it
too. At the end. Yeah,

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I got Howard's doing I know it. Yeah, Howard's doing. I know

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intellectually there's no God, but in
case there is, I don't want to

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piss them off by saying that if
you watch that tape of the guy getting

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his head chopped off, there's no
way there could be a God like no

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God could allow that. If I
was God, I would say, listen,

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I can't allow this. I'm gonna
stop it. Just as his head

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was about to be cut off,
I would break the Arab's arms. If

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God is compassionate, he would never
allowed it. I understand that too,

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I get it. But this are
the kind of things that Chauncy would end

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up getting out of people just for
saying, are you ready, I'm gonna

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press record, And he puts them
in a state when they're very comfortable with

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themselves, and after a while,
what happens. It's interesting, it happens

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when you're on Howard's Done. You
just want to bring the truth to that

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show, because that's what Howard does. If he brings the truth. Thing,

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you've got to bring the truth.
And with Chauncy being the editor of

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that page, he wanted certain things
from those people to be said. And

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eventually, in the course of an
hour or so being interviewed, you don't

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want me dead air time. You
want to be spontaneous, funny, and

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you end up saying things that kind
of come out outrageous at times and other

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times they can really light your ass
on fire. But there's something to be

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said about always talking, always answering
questions. Eventually you're gonna say anything.

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It's scary, but I know that
an interviewing technique when I was a journalist

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was not to ask too much and
keep your mouth shut and not answer questions

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for them that you post. Let
them build down the second and third tier

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of their brains to figure out what
they're gonna answer that question with. You'd

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be surprised what people come up with. They break stories just because you're sitting

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there listening. Interesting. I've learned
a lot about talking since I've had this

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podcast. I've learned it after almost
seven years of doing this. You do

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anything for our day daily for that
many years, and like Johnny Carson said

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at one point hosting The Tonight Show, he said, you do a show

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every night for a year, for
for an hour, for years, and

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eventually you will say everything you have
in your head and your heart. And

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I think I'm absolutely headed there,
that's for sure. I've done it before

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00:31:14.359 --> 00:31:15.960
in the past that I'm not going
to stop now. So if you really

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want to hear that stuff that's deep
from the marrows of my bone. Go

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00:31:22.359 --> 00:31:26.440
to patreon dot com slash Fame as
a Bitch and get the real good stuff.

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Spend thirty one minutes at you birds. All right, that was a

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good day. I took care of
you. Because it's so rainy out I

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want you to wash it away.
But you know, next show is a

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new day to fend for yourself.
Come over here in the shade, the

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nice trees over here, a lot
of food. You'll do well, you'll

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flourish. That's it. I'm aj
Benson. That was your free show for

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February seven, twenty twenty four.
I'll talk to you guys soon. Thank

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you for listen. Fame as a
Bitch is an aj Benza Workhouse Connect production

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featuring the endless wisdom, insightful commentarian
sometimes fucked up perspective of AJ Benza executive

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00:32:09.640 --> 00:32:12.200
producer Mike Agavino