1 00:00:02,520 --> 00:00:07,000 Fame, he'd liked to be walked on a leash and play really dirty kinky 2 00:00:07,080 --> 00:00:11,199 sex games. Is uh the guy put the cock in the peacock network. 3 00:00:11,359 --> 00:00:16,199 Okay, bitch, hey, everybody, aj Benzi here with fame as a 4 00:00:16,239 --> 00:00:20,800 bitch. This is your free show for February seventh, twenty twenty four. 5 00:00:21,679 --> 00:00:25,960 Yes, Berdiees, it's been very, very wet out here in Shittown, 6 00:00:26,039 --> 00:00:31,519 California. Actually a lot of states are getting tons of brain go having houses 7 00:00:31,760 --> 00:00:36,679 washed down streets. Two days ago, I saw a baby grand piano slide 8 00:00:36,719 --> 00:00:41,679 down in muddy streets. So people are losing their most prized possessions left and 9 00:00:41,799 --> 00:00:46,159 right. Not to mention. As I mentioned on the Patreon show, it 10 00:00:46,240 --> 00:00:52,119 must be affecting in a bad way the migrants who are coming here through San 11 00:00:52,119 --> 00:00:56,920 Diego because the weather down there, I mean, complete beaches have been washed 12 00:00:56,920 --> 00:01:00,359 away. Mission Beach is shot, which is a big popular spot down there, 13 00:01:02,119 --> 00:01:07,200 beautiful part of America. It's getting destroyed by this storm. People see 14 00:01:07,280 --> 00:01:10,359 rain. They make fun of Los Angeles a lot because whenever it rains hard 15 00:01:10,400 --> 00:01:14,040 here for days, they get right on it and call it a storm watch. 16 00:01:14,079 --> 00:01:15,000 They make sure they tell you all about it. I used to laugh 17 00:01:15,040 --> 00:01:19,680 when I came here in and said, storm watch it's raining. Then you 18 00:01:19,719 --> 00:01:21,920 live for here a little longer, and you see what rain does to the 19 00:01:22,000 --> 00:01:26,040 hills, How houses slide down hills and end up at the pit of a 20 00:01:26,120 --> 00:01:30,879 valley, and people get stuck in cars. It's an awful mess. It's 21 00:01:30,920 --> 00:01:36,680 just awful. So I was thinking about you birds. It's no fun to 22 00:01:36,680 --> 00:01:40,799 fly around that rain. Don't hear little trip trips by the window. But 23 00:01:41,120 --> 00:01:45,840 here I am throwing out some free food in the hope that you'll come to 24 00:01:45,959 --> 00:01:49,079 patreon dot com slash fames a bitch, as many of you have, I 25 00:01:49,120 --> 00:01:53,519 wanted to tell you today of this story of how it all began at the 26 00:01:53,879 --> 00:02:00,480 at the beginning for me, when I became a gossip commnist for New York 27 00:02:00,519 --> 00:02:06,560 News Day that came before the New York Daily News. And the way that 28 00:02:06,640 --> 00:02:09,000 happened is basically, in a very brief way, I'll say that I was 29 00:02:09,039 --> 00:02:14,840 married for five years and we got divorced, and after five years, in 30 00:02:14,879 --> 00:02:17,759 one day, I kept the house we bought. She moved to an apartment 31 00:02:17,800 --> 00:02:24,680 nearby. I had some money in my banking campus. The house of my 32 00:02:24,719 --> 00:02:32,199 youth was sold, and after everybody took their piece of it, me Jen 33 00:02:32,719 --> 00:02:37,560 the Rain and Frankie, Rosalie and Jack. We paid off bills that we 34 00:02:37,639 --> 00:02:39,680 had, what have you, mortgages, whatever people wanted to do with it, 35 00:02:39,960 --> 00:02:45,639 and then we had some leftover. I paid for my ex wife's college 36 00:02:45,759 --> 00:02:50,360 education when it came to her master's degree, which I don't regret. She 37 00:02:50,479 --> 00:02:53,199 became a teacher and still as one to this day. And I had like 38 00:02:53,280 --> 00:02:57,719 thirteen thousand leftover to myself and all was said and done, so I never 39 00:02:57,800 --> 00:03:01,199 played with a bank card before. I'm loving this go to the bank and 40 00:03:01,280 --> 00:03:04,479 taking money out of the account. They never had that before. When I 41 00:03:04,520 --> 00:03:06,439 was married, I said, bring home my check to my wife, give 42 00:03:06,439 --> 00:03:07,319 it to her, and she would bank it. I didn't touch money. 43 00:03:07,319 --> 00:03:09,479 I would say, I'm gonna go to home deep on eed, fifty bucks 44 00:03:09,560 --> 00:03:14,360 okay here, So I'd walk around with ten bucks in my pocket. That 45 00:03:14,400 --> 00:03:17,159 was it just suck my father. Now I'm ripping through this money like crazy. 46 00:03:17,159 --> 00:03:21,039 But I'm going to Manhattan. I'm looking for stuff in Manhattan. I'm 47 00:03:21,039 --> 00:03:23,599 having the fun at the bars and the restaurants of places I never dreamed i'd 48 00:03:23,639 --> 00:03:27,960 get into. So I'm having a ball, dating girls, meeting crazy people 49 00:03:27,960 --> 00:03:30,840 in New York City. Suddenly I find some information that I've got a club. 50 00:03:30,879 --> 00:03:35,439 At a party, I see Cindy Crawford making out with another female model 51 00:03:35,479 --> 00:03:39,039 named Gail Elliott. I call the gossip columnists at the paper I worked at 52 00:03:39,039 --> 00:03:44,439 Newsday at this point, all long owned. Linda Stacey wrote the gospel columnists. 53 00:03:45,080 --> 00:03:49,159 The gossip colump at New York Newsday called Inside New York, and she 54 00:03:49,240 --> 00:03:53,280 wrote from Park Avenue, Manhattan. I gave it a bit, she'd get, 55 00:03:53,439 --> 00:03:54,280 Look, i'll pay you money. Every week. You want to go 56 00:03:54,280 --> 00:03:58,120 to nightclubs and bring me back some stories, I'll give you fifty bucks the 57 00:03:58,159 --> 00:04:00,199 story. I said, great, So I'll make it a little side hustle, 58 00:04:00,639 --> 00:04:03,680 staying in the city. Finally, eventually she goes, why don't you 59 00:04:03,759 --> 00:04:06,400 come work for us one day a week on Fridays. I'll help you. 60 00:04:06,879 --> 00:04:10,479 I'll watch you put the page together. I'll teach you the ins and outs 61 00:04:10,479 --> 00:04:12,280 of it. And I said, that's great. That's what I want. 62 00:04:12,479 --> 00:04:15,399 Because I was tired of sports. I wanted to get into gossip and entertainment 63 00:04:15,399 --> 00:04:19,399 writing. So one day a week I'm in Manhattan now working with Linda. 64 00:04:19,439 --> 00:04:25,240 I felt amazing. I was doing a Boom at night, you know, 65 00:04:25,279 --> 00:04:30,000 my Buddy's restaurant down in Soho. I'd walk from parking like thirty fourth all 66 00:04:30,000 --> 00:04:31,759 the way to Boom, all the way downtown, just because I felt great. 67 00:04:31,839 --> 00:04:34,839 I felt like I didn't weigh anything. I love the New York City 68 00:04:34,839 --> 00:04:40,360 streets. A little money in your pocket, you know, just disguised the 69 00:04:40,399 --> 00:04:45,959 limit. So one day Linda takes me and this other guy that worked with 70 00:04:46,000 --> 00:04:48,160 her, Doug Vaughan. There's an old man who worked with her named Tony 71 00:04:48,240 --> 00:04:53,800 Skududo, but he was just sent to her page. He probably wrote one 72 00:04:53,839 --> 00:04:57,879 or two items a week, and he was nothing. So I would come 73 00:04:57,879 --> 00:05:00,160 in on Fridays and take over for him while he would go home and rest 74 00:05:00,240 --> 00:05:05,319 because he was old, in his late sixties. And Linda says, mort 75 00:05:05,360 --> 00:05:08,839 Zuckerman wants to pay me a lot of money to come to the New York 76 00:05:08,879 --> 00:05:11,240 Daily News when he buys it, which is going to take place in a 77 00:05:11,319 --> 00:05:14,160 day or two. What should I do? I said, you should go. 78 00:05:14,439 --> 00:05:16,720 She goes, He's gonna pay me a lot of money. I said, 79 00:05:16,759 --> 00:05:19,720 go mean, while I'm thinking what about me? And she goes, 80 00:05:19,720 --> 00:05:21,720 well, I told him, if i'd go, I'm taking my boys with 81 00:05:21,720 --> 00:05:26,279 me. I'm taking you and Doug, and we looked like we were really 82 00:05:26,319 --> 00:05:31,199 happy. Doug. Doug was that openly gay guy, which wasn't easy for 83 00:05:31,240 --> 00:05:35,839 a kid from Mississippi, but he had a biting wit and nothing ever seemed 84 00:05:35,879 --> 00:05:40,079 to shake him. And I guess that Tony's could do. That. Was 85 00:05:40,079 --> 00:05:43,560 an old timer who wrote a book on Bob Dylan once got him some buzz. 86 00:05:43,639 --> 00:05:46,480 Otherwise they banished him to the gossip page because he was too old and 87 00:05:46,519 --> 00:05:49,399 stoddch she didn't cover anything else. They tried to get him to take a 88 00:05:49,439 --> 00:05:54,519 buy out, but he didn't want to. Budge had a nurse nice earn 89 00:05:54,600 --> 00:05:57,720 there in New York news Day, got a great paycheck, and basically I 90 00:05:57,759 --> 00:06:01,839 guess that wrote like one or two items a week for Linda's page. And 91 00:06:01,920 --> 00:06:06,519 Linda's page inside Neurope was the funniest and also the most interesting gossip column in 92 00:06:06,560 --> 00:06:11,639 New York City. I had a female voice to it, and on Today's 93 00:06:11,639 --> 00:06:15,480 page I talk about why female comics never work on late night TV. I 94 00:06:15,519 --> 00:06:23,240 have my theories, but a gossip columns from a female voice was very different. 95 00:06:23,879 --> 00:06:29,199 In a lot of ways, especially from her vantage point having been divorced 96 00:06:29,240 --> 00:06:32,720 and now raising a child alone. And Linda had Linda brought with her, 97 00:06:33,399 --> 00:06:36,079 brought to the page the way she lived her life. It was very interesting 98 00:06:36,720 --> 00:06:42,800 and she got letters of congratulations from big, heavy female and male writers across 99 00:06:42,920 --> 00:06:47,160 the city, so she felt great. We were humming along. She takes 100 00:06:47,199 --> 00:06:50,000 me and Doug to the Daily News. How much money you want to make, 101 00:06:50,040 --> 00:06:51,920 she asked me. I said, I don't know. I didn't know 102 00:06:51,959 --> 00:06:57,199 what to say. I was just I was working shifts at Newsday. You 103 00:06:57,240 --> 00:06:59,399 know, I'm like, can you get me sixty a year? And she 104 00:06:59,439 --> 00:07:00,839 goes, oh, I'll do better than that. So I just left it 105 00:07:00,879 --> 00:07:03,600 up to her, and she did much better than that. For my first 106 00:07:03,639 --> 00:07:08,600 gig in a newspaper full time, I did great. Most journalists don't get 107 00:07:08,600 --> 00:07:12,600 that, ever, what I got in the first year. But I'm sitting 108 00:07:12,600 --> 00:07:19,279 there at human resources with Doug. Doug Vaughan was his name, and you 109 00:07:19,319 --> 00:07:23,319 know, we're hard, we're human resources, We're filling out paperwork. It's 110 00:07:23,319 --> 00:07:28,800 all good. And all of a sudden, Doug looks over to me and 111 00:07:28,800 --> 00:07:32,160 he goes, yeah, I can't do this anymore. I said, yeah, 112 00:07:32,199 --> 00:07:34,040 take it home, finish it at home. I'll talk to you tomorrow. 113 00:07:34,040 --> 00:07:36,439 He goes, no, No, I'm done. I'm done with gossip. 114 00:07:36,480 --> 00:07:41,800 I'm done with Linda. You're a boy. Now you stay, you 115 00:07:41,839 --> 00:07:44,360 do your think. I'm gonna do something else. I said, you sure, 116 00:07:44,480 --> 00:07:46,639 because yeah, yeah, I've been tired of this for a while. 117 00:07:46,720 --> 00:07:49,360 He just got something leaves. I told Linda. She goes, fuck him. 118 00:07:50,199 --> 00:07:53,920 Whoever works for me does very well in life. Doug will be fine. 119 00:07:53,959 --> 00:07:56,800 And Doug did fine. She was right. He went to NBC Television 120 00:07:57,199 --> 00:08:01,439 Rose the Ranks was in charge of the Today's Show years back, vice president 121 00:08:01,480 --> 00:08:05,399 of Special Programs, in charge of Jay Leno, SNL Late Night with Jimmy 122 00:08:05,439 --> 00:08:11,480 Fallon Carson Daily. Doug blew up over there. So for a while it 123 00:08:11,519 --> 00:08:15,680 was her and I writing perfectly together this column called hot Copy for the Daily 124 00:08:15,720 --> 00:08:18,240 News. Linda wanted the third person. She asked me who I knew. 125 00:08:18,879 --> 00:08:24,279 I suggested Michael Lewitis from Rubinstein Public Relations. One day, Michael called me 126 00:08:24,319 --> 00:08:28,639 and said, I would do anything to write for you and Linda because I 127 00:08:28,639 --> 00:08:30,759 know so many people in the city. I could really help. But I'm 128 00:08:30,800 --> 00:08:33,840 like Michael. You went to Yale university. What do you want to do 129 00:08:33,879 --> 00:08:35,960 with it? With that degree? To be a gossip college. I don't 130 00:08:35,960 --> 00:08:39,039 care. That's what I love to do. And it's true. He did 131 00:08:39,080 --> 00:08:41,679 have a lot of contact. Contacts are a big part of that job, 132 00:08:41,840 --> 00:08:46,159 so as humor, and Mikey had a lot of that as well, so 133 00:08:46,600 --> 00:08:50,279 a very woody Allen type humor. We loved each I loved it. I 134 00:08:50,279 --> 00:08:52,279 still love him to this day. So I kept him in mind, and 135 00:08:52,279 --> 00:08:56,519 eventually I told Linda that Michael might be a good addition. She was like, 136 00:08:56,600 --> 00:08:58,759 he went to Yale. I said, I know, I talked to 137 00:08:58,840 --> 00:09:01,399 him about that, but he just want the position here. He knows everybody, 138 00:09:01,399 --> 00:09:03,679 he knows the pr people. He could be a good addition, Linda. 139 00:09:03,720 --> 00:09:07,600 He'll do what you tell him to do. Blah blah blah. And 140 00:09:07,639 --> 00:09:09,840 I said, well, work great together, trust me, and I'll be 141 00:09:09,879 --> 00:09:13,159 downtown, He'll be uptown. He'll burg got great. She was, tell 142 00:09:13,240 --> 00:09:16,960 him, he's got to give us a really big story first. So I 143 00:09:16,000 --> 00:09:18,120 called him, go, Michael, Linda's gonna take you on, but you 144 00:09:18,279 --> 00:09:22,000 gotta deliver a big story because I know exactly what story to do. What's 145 00:09:22,000 --> 00:09:26,279 that he goes, Well, I know a girl who doesn't want to admit 146 00:09:26,360 --> 00:09:28,919 it, but she told me that Woody Allen was writing her as a pen 147 00:09:30,039 --> 00:09:33,080 pal when she was very underage and he wrote some things to her on that 148 00:09:33,120 --> 00:09:37,240 page that didn't really sit right with her as she got older and re read 149 00:09:37,279 --> 00:09:41,639 them. I said, that's fucking great. This is during the sunny preven 150 00:09:41,679 --> 00:09:45,840 bullshit, so that was a huge story. I said, get it, 151 00:09:46,000 --> 00:09:48,519 do it. He came in the office one day he presented the story and 152 00:09:48,559 --> 00:09:52,159 Linda, she loved it, and we watched him to go to town and 153 00:09:52,159 --> 00:09:56,559 try to get it and at the last minute. The girl who was the 154 00:09:56,600 --> 00:10:00,360 pen pal a woman by the name of Nancy Joe Sales, So she's a 155 00:10:00,399 --> 00:10:05,080 woman now. She wrote her first magazine piece on me for a New York 156 00:10:05,159 --> 00:10:09,639 magazine about me being a gossip columnist, and she almost got me killed. 157 00:10:09,879 --> 00:10:15,559 But she now has a very big byline for Vanity Fair and different different periodicals, 158 00:10:15,559 --> 00:10:20,120 mainly Vanity Fair. She was Woody Allen's penpal and when Michael told you 159 00:10:20,159 --> 00:10:22,559 he's gonna write this story so we can get a job for us, she 160 00:10:22,639 --> 00:10:26,000 said, no, flat out, if you ever write it, you'll never 161 00:10:26,039 --> 00:10:28,759 talk to me again. And I can tell Michael was crushing on the girl 162 00:10:28,759 --> 00:10:31,799 a little bit, and he comes back from the phone just all four along. 163 00:10:31,879 --> 00:10:35,279 I said, Mikey, you can't let that bother you. Everybody's gonna 164 00:10:35,279 --> 00:10:37,000 tell you they'll never talk to you again. Everybody's going to tell you the 165 00:10:37,000 --> 00:10:41,559 disappointed in you. It doesn't matter. They all come around. I'm doing 166 00:10:41,600 --> 00:10:43,519 this for a year now, They're all gonna come around. Mike. Don't 167 00:10:43,519 --> 00:10:48,840 worry about Believe me, you didn't lose her. Linda says, fuck that. 168 00:10:48,000 --> 00:10:50,879 If you don't write it, I'll never want to see in this office 169 00:10:50,919 --> 00:10:52,519 again. Linda was so tough. I'm like, relax, relax, don't 170 00:10:52,559 --> 00:10:56,519 worry. Michael writes the story. Of course, the girl complained and called 171 00:10:56,600 --> 00:10:58,799 him and said, you rap, bast I'll ever talk to you again. 172 00:11:01,720 --> 00:11:05,320 They ended up talking again, so it all goes away in a period of 173 00:11:05,360 --> 00:11:09,360 time. But Michael got his job because of that, because Lida said it's 174 00:11:09,360 --> 00:11:13,399 either her or us, and that story went to page one. Woody Allen 175 00:11:13,519 --> 00:11:18,440 used to have an underage pen pals, big story. After that, we 176 00:11:18,519 --> 00:11:22,960 hired Michael full time double this salary at Rubenstein Public Relations, and initially Linda 177 00:11:22,960 --> 00:11:26,840 put Michael through all sorts of shit that she put me through when I got 178 00:11:26,879 --> 00:11:28,960 the job. You get Linda a clothee in the morning, get the three 179 00:11:28,960 --> 00:11:33,399 newspapers we write up against, have them spread out on her desk so she 180 00:11:33,440 --> 00:11:37,279 can see each pages, got each paper's gossip, calm, and she reads 181 00:11:37,320 --> 00:11:41,039 them all. We all sit there with a cup of colffee and she'll say, 182 00:11:41,080 --> 00:11:43,639 who's this? What is the post of this story? Don't you know 183 00:11:43,679 --> 00:11:46,480 so and so at that nightclub? Yeah, I find out why that guy 184 00:11:46,519 --> 00:11:48,399 didn't give you the story. I'm pissed off or else, tell them we'll 185 00:11:48,440 --> 00:11:52,480 never write a fucking thing on this nightclub again. Lindibig gets so overboard and 186 00:11:52,559 --> 00:11:58,159 so angry that one birthday I bought her an electric chainsaw and I put it 187 00:11:58,159 --> 00:12:00,679 together. We left at the bottom of her desk. People came in, 188 00:12:00,759 --> 00:12:03,639 giving a shit like an editor. She would thought the chain saw in a 189 00:12:03,679 --> 00:12:05,879 funny way, and people would laugh, like, could you imagine nowadays having 190 00:12:05,879 --> 00:12:13,360 a chain shaw at your desk. She didn't give a shit, But little 191 00:12:13,399 --> 00:12:18,080 by little, that female voice in the page was being kind of I was 192 00:12:18,120 --> 00:12:20,120 speaking louder than it. She was letting me. By the way, it 193 00:12:20,159 --> 00:12:24,159 wasn't just me playing a power game. She was letting me, which was 194 00:12:24,200 --> 00:12:26,840 really nice of her. But she would go banana if she saw a story 195 00:12:26,840 --> 00:12:31,080 in another paper. We both had the same source. She waned a walk, 196 00:12:31,080 --> 00:12:33,120 did that store us go to them and not for us? She was 197 00:12:33,159 --> 00:12:37,960 relentless, And then we started to sail along just perfectly. We were a 198 00:12:39,039 --> 00:12:43,720 very different group of gossip columns columnists. I mean, we broke stories on 199 00:12:43,720 --> 00:12:46,519 a daily basis, and we kept you laughing from the first sentence of the 200 00:12:46,600 --> 00:12:48,879 last sentence. Not many pages did that, In fact, none of them 201 00:12:48,879 --> 00:12:54,159 did that. Linda had politics covered in a lot more, you know. 202 00:12:54,240 --> 00:12:58,799 I had the mob and the downtown scene covered Hollywood supermodels. Michael let uptown. 203 00:13:00,879 --> 00:13:03,519 He went to a lanes every night, always going to Friar's events with 204 00:13:03,600 --> 00:13:07,440 the tux A lot of nights Michael wore a tuxedo. We were totally different. 205 00:13:07,480 --> 00:13:11,120 I didn't wear a tux once in the seven years I wrote got so 206 00:13:11,200 --> 00:13:15,200 Michael Wallman like once a week, two different guys doing two different things for 207 00:13:15,279 --> 00:13:18,840 the same page. And as things got bigger and we had more and more 208 00:13:18,919 --> 00:13:22,480 columnists coming at our page in a competitive manner, we knew we needed to 209 00:13:22,480 --> 00:13:26,399 add someone else. Just someoney on a part time basis, and we used 210 00:13:26,440 --> 00:13:31,360 to get tips from people a lot. One kid from some South Jersey named 211 00:13:31,399 --> 00:13:37,879 Chauncy Hayden who used to put together this newsprint free newsprint magazine out called Stepping 212 00:13:37,919 --> 00:13:41,960 Out, and he always had an interview that was his main thing. He 213 00:13:43,000 --> 00:13:46,039 interviewed the celebrity for the middle of the middle of this magazine. Interviewed me. 214 00:13:46,879 --> 00:13:48,639 He in to be like a lot of New York people, a lot 215 00:13:48,639 --> 00:13:52,080 of Jersey people, sopranos people. Then he got really big Donald Trump. 216 00:13:52,440 --> 00:13:56,399 He interviewed like some major people over the years, and he'd always take those 217 00:13:56,480 --> 00:14:00,240 quotes where some would put their foot in the mouth in his interview and give 218 00:14:00,279 --> 00:14:03,039 them the different gossip. Thomas. He always came to us first and we'd 219 00:14:03,039 --> 00:14:07,120 give him a big write up. So I said, you know, I'm 220 00:14:07,120 --> 00:14:09,360 thinking about Tchauncy come in Linda once a week. He always has these articles 221 00:14:09,399 --> 00:14:13,440 in his magazine where he gets the celebrity to put their foot in the mouth 222 00:14:13,480 --> 00:14:16,840 and it goes everywhere all over the country. He'd be good if we had 223 00:14:16,960 --> 00:14:20,919 mere once a week. That way his interviews could go to us exclusively. 224 00:14:22,080 --> 00:14:24,639 She liked the idea we called him in. He told us who he's working 225 00:14:24,679 --> 00:14:28,600 on. We just let him go and it was going well. You know, 226 00:14:28,679 --> 00:14:33,399 we'd print his little tidbits from his interviews. Then Charncey's thought to feel 227 00:14:33,399 --> 00:14:35,080 like, I don't know if we want to do this anymore. I said, 228 00:14:35,080 --> 00:14:39,000 why He's I don't know, you know, I just I liked the 229 00:14:39,080 --> 00:14:41,799 salary I was getting in New Jersey. It's enough money. I know you 230 00:14:41,840 --> 00:14:45,440 guys can pay more, but I like being home in Jersey. I run 231 00:14:45,480 --> 00:14:50,200 the whole show out there, and I'm able to give my articles to more 232 00:14:50,240 --> 00:14:52,399 than one newspaper. I just feel like, and you know what, Okay, 233 00:14:54,279 --> 00:14:56,000 if you're uncomfortable, Chauncy, no hard feelings, go back to doing 234 00:14:56,000 --> 00:15:00,279 what you're doing. We'll find someone else. So he leaves. I bring 235 00:15:00,320 --> 00:15:05,360 him up because he just finished a book of putting together thirty of his interviews 236 00:15:05,360 --> 00:15:07,919 over the years and some of the quotes he got from these people. I'm 237 00:15:07,919 --> 00:15:09,840 gonna read you some at the end of this. If not, go to 238 00:15:11,159 --> 00:15:15,799 go to tomorrow's Patreon and you'll hear it there. At patreon dot com. 239 00:15:15,799 --> 00:15:20,600 Slash famous a bit everybody from Howard Stern, the Jean Jacabor to Wendy Williams 240 00:15:20,600 --> 00:15:24,159 would be gold but you name it. He interviewed them all interesting stuff. 241 00:15:24,159 --> 00:15:30,279 But there was a third guy I got to get now, and I wanted 242 00:15:30,320 --> 00:15:33,279 someone who could ask the questions that I didn't want to ask anymore, someone 243 00:15:33,320 --> 00:15:35,279 who'd go to events that I didn't want to go to anymore. Now I'm 244 00:15:35,279 --> 00:15:39,440 at this five six years Linda retired, left the page to me and Michael. 245 00:15:39,679 --> 00:15:45,759 The page became a male dominated page. Obviously. I met with mart 246 00:15:45,879 --> 00:15:48,120 Zuckerman. I promised I wouldn't cover any of his socialite friends. To get 247 00:15:48,120 --> 00:15:50,919 his feathers ruffled. I said, it's gonna be Hollywood, it's gonna be 248 00:15:50,919 --> 00:15:54,759 gossip, it's gonna be this. That he agreed. He gave me a 249 00:15:54,759 --> 00:15:58,240 bumpin' salary and it was my page, plus another column on Sunday that was 250 00:15:58,279 --> 00:16:02,159 just about me and what I did for the week. Real narcissistic shit, 251 00:16:02,240 --> 00:16:04,759 but it was great. I loved it. This kid, Jimmy Ruttenberg, 252 00:16:04,879 --> 00:16:11,039 was always giving us items. He was writing for a free weekly newspaper down 253 00:16:11,120 --> 00:16:17,000 in the village or a lower east side, a lot of like neighborhood politics 254 00:16:17,039 --> 00:16:19,120 going on, and Jimmy loved that shit. Hey would give us stuff that 255 00:16:19,679 --> 00:16:23,799 had to do with nightclubs, down their parking policies, anything that would make 256 00:16:23,840 --> 00:16:27,759 people going to nightclubs pissed off. Plus, his sister was a dominatrix I 257 00:16:27,799 --> 00:16:30,559 knew, and into the drug scene. I figured, if I get Jimmy, 258 00:16:30,879 --> 00:16:34,080 I'll have the sister's dominatrix world. I'll have politics with him to be 259 00:16:34,080 --> 00:16:37,000 lost with Linda. Plus I'll have him ask questions and go to events, 260 00:16:37,000 --> 00:16:41,399 and I don't want to go to any months perfect. That's the same reason 261 00:16:41,440 --> 00:16:42,440 why then they got me. She did not want to go out anymore. 262 00:16:42,480 --> 00:16:45,799 She wanted somebody with young legs, and now so did I. I didn't 263 00:16:45,799 --> 00:16:48,480 want to go to sixteen places all night. I want to go to two 264 00:16:48,519 --> 00:16:52,919 places see my girlfriend. Relax. You know. I took my foot up 265 00:16:52,919 --> 00:16:56,919 the gas for a while at the end of my run. So Jimmy came 266 00:16:56,000 --> 00:16:59,519 up with great stories. I wanted to hire him full time. Of course, 267 00:16:59,559 --> 00:17:00,759 to saying money in the budget, I said, we're gonna lose this 268 00:17:00,840 --> 00:17:03,640 guy, and I knew I wasn't gonna be there much longer. I said, 269 00:17:03,640 --> 00:17:07,839 we're gonna lose this guy if you don't come up with even forty grand 270 00:17:07,039 --> 00:17:10,279 to pay him. He'll take it. He wants to be a part of 271 00:17:10,319 --> 00:17:12,440 the paper. He wants to be a journalist and stay a journalist. He 272 00:17:12,440 --> 00:17:17,799 already is, but he's got big things in mind. My editor in chief, 273 00:17:17,799 --> 00:17:19,000 Martin Dunn, said no, there's no money. I went over his 274 00:17:19,039 --> 00:17:22,480 head to mort' Zackerman, which is a big mistake. You don't go to 275 00:17:22,519 --> 00:17:26,000 the owner and publisher when your editor says no. And when I went to 276 00:17:26,079 --> 00:17:29,359 more It said I'll think about it. But he told Martin, get your 277 00:17:29,559 --> 00:17:33,079 nights in a row. You sent up a soldier to talk to me about 278 00:17:33,079 --> 00:17:34,920 money. That's your problem, not my problem. Martin ripped me in a 279 00:17:34,920 --> 00:17:37,920 new ass. He left the door open while he did it. The whole 280 00:17:37,920 --> 00:17:41,960 newsroom heard it. And before I left the office, there were two different 281 00:17:41,960 --> 00:17:45,359 newspapers working on that gossip buyer. And that's the way papers work. People 282 00:17:45,400 --> 00:17:48,079 see what happened in the newsroom, they call him the newspaper. They want 283 00:17:48,119 --> 00:17:52,359 favors down the road too. It's a very very You want to take a 284 00:17:52,400 --> 00:17:56,559 shower, trust me after you've done working. But I had to tell Jimmy 285 00:17:56,559 --> 00:17:59,480 there's none money for him, so he politely had to leave and guess what 286 00:17:59,720 --> 00:18:03,559 Hi by the New York Times. Okay, Jimmy was a New York Times 287 00:18:03,599 --> 00:18:07,400 reporter. Still writes for the New York Times at large, but he was 288 00:18:07,440 --> 00:18:11,400 a White House senior reporter. It was a big shot. Then they gave 289 00:18:11,480 --> 00:18:15,440 him an even larger role. Ended up interviewing me when he covered the Hobby 290 00:18:15,440 --> 00:18:18,839 Weinstein trial. Still works for The Times, bought a house in the Hamptons. 291 00:18:18,839 --> 00:18:25,640 Writes from home these days part time nice. I knew he was right, 292 00:18:25,759 --> 00:18:30,559 but what can I tell you? One damn at Rosie in Jack's house 293 00:18:30,559 --> 00:18:33,519 when I was at a dull working as a cabb and working at Best Buy 294 00:18:33,559 --> 00:18:36,200 and I needed some extra money, I said, let me talk to Chauncey 295 00:18:36,240 --> 00:18:40,799 about writing for Stepping Out. So we met in New York City. We 296 00:18:40,839 --> 00:18:44,400 met at a place on Bleaker Street called Caliente Cab Company. It was kind 297 00:18:44,440 --> 00:18:47,400 of damp out, reigning, a little bit shitty day to be in the 298 00:18:47,440 --> 00:18:52,440 city. We sit down, we get some food to margarita, and Chauncey 299 00:18:52,480 --> 00:18:56,720 tells me I'm leaving New York. I'm leaving Jersey. I'm taking the operation 300 00:18:56,799 --> 00:18:57,599 with me. I'm going to go to Ireland. I said, what the 301 00:18:57,640 --> 00:19:00,920 fuck? Island? What are you doing now? Truncy's a red haired you 302 00:19:00,960 --> 00:19:04,640 know, looks like a Viking. He's got that somewhere in his blood. 303 00:19:04,680 --> 00:19:07,000 He goes, I'm gonna go there. What happened? He goes, I 304 00:19:07,039 --> 00:19:12,559 went there on a trip. I gotta grow pregnant. She's having the baby. 305 00:19:12,799 --> 00:19:17,240 She won't tell me where she's staying. She won't tell me anything about 306 00:19:17,240 --> 00:19:19,359 the baby. Apparently it's a little girl that she's expecting. I gotta be 307 00:19:19,440 --> 00:19:25,480 there and find this kid. He dropped everything, he gave away all he 308 00:19:25,599 --> 00:19:30,559 owned, left his place with a toothbrush, and went to Ireland in search 309 00:19:32,119 --> 00:19:33,480 of his baby daughter. Because I was in the restaurant that day and I 310 00:19:33,480 --> 00:19:37,640 said to them, Truncy, I'd already had Roxy was three or four years 311 00:19:37,640 --> 00:19:41,519 old. This to Truncy, you cannot have a little girl out there and 312 00:19:41,559 --> 00:19:44,680 never see her. You gotta go. I understand completely. You gotta go 313 00:19:44,799 --> 00:19:47,079 and take care of it. Once you meet it, you will you'll want 314 00:19:47,160 --> 00:19:51,359 to. He goes out there, thinking, maybe in a month he come 315 00:19:51,400 --> 00:19:53,640 back with a hotailway tween his legs. But no, he said, there's 316 00:19:53,680 --> 00:19:57,279 no turning back. I kept in touch with him. First few years were 317 00:19:57,359 --> 00:20:02,839 hell. Legal costs, not no the way the Irish family court system worked. 318 00:20:03,279 --> 00:20:04,400 He said, I was like my cousin Vinnie, but with an Irish 319 00:20:04,400 --> 00:20:11,559 brogue. Isolated, he felt very It felt impossible, but he refused to 320 00:20:11,559 --> 00:20:15,519 give up. Turn through religion, beg God to help him, or else 321 00:20:15,559 --> 00:20:19,279 he would returned. But if he found that, he'd be the best father 322 00:20:19,319 --> 00:20:26,400 on earth and state in Ireland. Well seven years later, founder now his 323 00:20:26,480 --> 00:20:29,000 Facebook is full of pictures of him and her. The mother's not in the 324 00:20:29,039 --> 00:20:32,279 picture, not that I gather. And he is the best dad and loves 325 00:20:32,279 --> 00:20:37,240 his little girl so much. And he told me he promised God. If 326 00:20:40,160 --> 00:20:41,680 he promised God, he wouldn't let him down if he gave him the chance 327 00:20:41,880 --> 00:20:45,319 and granted him that wish of finding that little girl. And now he lives 328 00:20:45,319 --> 00:20:48,559 every day to make sure he keeps up his end of the bargain. He 329 00:20:48,599 --> 00:20:52,440 told me so. He asked me to write the forward of this book he's 330 00:20:52,480 --> 00:20:56,920 got coming up, and I did so, and I wrote It was sometime 331 00:20:56,960 --> 00:21:00,480 in the early nineties that I was given the reins to a gossip calumn ran 332 00:21:00,559 --> 00:21:03,799 in the New York Daily News called Hot Copy. It was as tabloid newspapers 333 00:21:03,839 --> 00:21:07,960 Go considered the must read to many of the city's inhabitants, not the least 334 00:21:07,960 --> 00:21:11,880 of which were the millions who commuted there via the bridges and tunnels that connected 335 00:21:11,920 --> 00:21:17,680 Gotham to the Five boroughs in the great state of New Jersey. Writing the 336 00:21:17,680 --> 00:21:19,039 column was a true labor of love for me, and I did so for 337 00:21:19,079 --> 00:21:22,759 seven years. At the crux of it all was being at the helm of 338 00:21:22,799 --> 00:21:26,200 the paper in the midst of the great tabloid War of the nineties. Back 339 00:21:26,240 --> 00:21:29,200 then, in the pre Internet and pre Google days, the way we knew 340 00:21:29,240 --> 00:21:33,519 our papers were performing was measuring the stacks of the Daily News and the New 341 00:21:33,599 --> 00:21:37,079 York Post and Newsday at the many newstands that dotted the city. If the 342 00:21:37,079 --> 00:21:41,599 stack of the News was lower, I knew we were doing a good job. 343 00:21:41,880 --> 00:21:44,880 If the stack was higher, that I knew the Post or Newsday had 344 00:21:44,880 --> 00:21:47,960 a better edition, and I better hit the phones hard when I got my 345 00:21:48,000 --> 00:21:52,160 office. Many people make up a gossip gom Other than tips from publicists and 346 00:21:52,200 --> 00:21:56,200 agents and club owners, etc. It sometimes came down to calling up someone 347 00:21:56,279 --> 00:22:02,839 I always knew had the goods. Trauncey Hayden always had the goods. During 348 00:22:02,839 --> 00:22:06,039 the nineties, there wasn't a better man to go to. An incredible knack 349 00:22:06,079 --> 00:22:10,960 of getting a celebrity to agree to an interview inside his free newsprint New Jersey 350 00:22:10,960 --> 00:22:14,960 Man called stepping out. Whenever I was in dire need to close out the 351 00:22:15,000 --> 00:22:18,200 column, I just wanted a juicy quote from an interview Chauncy conducted. I'd 352 00:22:18,240 --> 00:22:22,400 bring him up. He had this incredible ability to have celebrities admit to things 353 00:22:22,440 --> 00:22:26,920 that would go on to become big stories of their own right. It may 354 00:22:26,920 --> 00:22:30,519 have been a quote maybe Fisher Howard's Durn Boy, George, Tom Jones, 355 00:22:30,559 --> 00:22:33,000 Debbie Harriet Vanilla Eyes. It didn't matter. It is an easy answering the 356 00:22:33,079 --> 00:22:37,519 celebrity questions. There's unique talent in making them feel comfortable enough to open their 357 00:22:37,519 --> 00:22:41,519 hearts for the world to see. And whenever I called Chauncey form one of 358 00:22:41,559 --> 00:22:45,880 these interviews, he delivered because Chauncy always had the goods. So I'm going 359 00:22:45,960 --> 00:22:49,000 to read you a couple of quotes from some of these interviews and you'll get 360 00:22:49,039 --> 00:22:56,119 to know what I meant. And by the way, if you'd like to 361 00:22:56,319 --> 00:23:02,079 hear about Billy Joel's Roll Up host a Life of Heartbreaking scandal, as well 362 00:23:02,119 --> 00:23:04,839 as my mother's meeting him long before we knew he was famous. Go to 363 00:23:04,880 --> 00:23:10,559 patreon dot com slash famous Bitch. Also find out what's happening between Prince Harry 364 00:23:10,599 --> 00:23:15,039 and Prince William now that the Daddy King has cancer. A lot of stuff 365 00:23:15,079 --> 00:23:18,400 going on. Was there a little relationship between Hunter Biden and Kate Quigley, 366 00:23:19,000 --> 00:23:22,559 a comedian who almost died of a cocaine with those one three of her friends? 367 00:23:22,559 --> 00:23:27,640 Did all in the patreon be sure to go so a couple of quotes. 368 00:23:27,640 --> 00:23:33,839 I'll leave you with Sybil Shepherd told Chauncy. I always felt that when 369 00:23:33,880 --> 00:23:37,599 Elvis sang, oh you lonesome tonight, that there was a loneliness in him 370 00:23:37,640 --> 00:23:41,119 that would never be satisfied. At the time I knew Elvis, I didn't 371 00:23:41,160 --> 00:23:45,160 realize the full extent of that addiction until many years later after he had died. 372 00:23:45,519 --> 00:23:47,720 I think he had five different drugs in him aut a old times, 373 00:23:47,759 --> 00:23:49,559 and enough that any of those would have killed him on his own. And 374 00:23:49,599 --> 00:23:53,079 he had five different ones. That was really hushed up because we didn't want 375 00:23:53,119 --> 00:23:59,119 to mar his great talent and his great heart. Hmmm, see that hushed 376 00:23:59,200 --> 00:24:02,920 up, O'Neil. I would like to be remembered as someone who worked really 377 00:24:02,920 --> 00:24:06,640 hard and came back for nothing. Literally nobody thought ever work again. I 378 00:24:06,640 --> 00:24:08,319 went through a very dry period in my career. I say this to my 379 00:24:08,400 --> 00:24:11,480 kids when it was so hard for me to be out in public and to 380 00:24:11,519 --> 00:24:15,920 believe in myself was what I needed to be doing the most. When I 381 00:24:15,960 --> 00:24:18,680 did finally do it, it was like getting back on the horse. That 382 00:24:18,799 --> 00:24:22,119 is something I think will be remembered about me. I don't know, Tatum, 383 00:24:22,319 --> 00:24:29,279 looking back, that quote doesn't really stand Donald Trump. I learned that 384 00:24:29,319 --> 00:24:32,680 I can handle pressures. When the real estate market collapsed, I was in 385 00:24:32,720 --> 00:24:37,039 some pretty serious financial trouble. I had many friends who went bankrupt, but 386 00:24:37,119 --> 00:24:40,559 I fought through it and didn't have any of those legal maneuvers, and today 387 00:24:40,599 --> 00:24:42,759 my company is much stronger than it ever was. I guess I learned that 388 00:24:42,799 --> 00:24:48,359 I can handle adversity and pressure in bed times. Something you don't know if 389 00:24:48,359 --> 00:24:51,359 you can handle until it actually happens to you. Well, it's happening right 390 00:24:51,400 --> 00:24:53,079 now, Donald, and we don't know if you're going to come through this 391 00:24:53,319 --> 00:24:59,920 unscathed. Fuck that you're already scathed, if that's even a word seth mcfallen's 392 00:25:00,000 --> 00:25:03,359 that's something that I think is truly awful. I think nine to eleven has 393 00:25:03,400 --> 00:25:07,160 been, to be honest, they're a very huge overreaction. Just speaking completely 394 00:25:07,200 --> 00:25:10,160 honestly, I'm not a fatalist. I think of myself as a man of 395 00:25:10,160 --> 00:25:12,519 science, and you know, to me, it seems like it was horrifying 396 00:25:12,519 --> 00:25:15,200 and it was terrible, but at the same time, you can't let it 397 00:25:15,240 --> 00:25:18,960 completely disrupt everything. It seems we're living in a world now that is much 398 00:25:19,039 --> 00:25:22,880 less pleasant place than it was ten years ago, and I don't think that's 399 00:25:22,000 --> 00:25:26,759 essential. I think that September eleventh has been used as a tool of fear 400 00:25:26,880 --> 00:25:33,920 by those in power. Certainly, what an asshole, horrible Bill Maher. 401 00:25:33,400 --> 00:25:37,240 First of all, it's hard to argue with the simple truth that people who 402 00:25:37,279 --> 00:25:41,759 fly suicide missions aren't cowardly. One thing I'm always amazed by is that with 403 00:25:41,839 --> 00:25:45,319 all these suicide missions that the Palestinians undertaken so forth, I never read about 404 00:25:45,319 --> 00:25:48,279 one guy who at the last minute went what the fuck am I doing? 405 00:25:48,960 --> 00:25:52,079 I mean, wouldn't you think if you were able to walk into a place 406 00:25:52,079 --> 00:25:56,000 and blow yourself up, somebody along the way would say, what the fuck 407 00:25:56,000 --> 00:25:57,640 am I crazy? Let's get out of here, but they always go through 408 00:25:57,640 --> 00:26:03,799 with it. Joanath Dickinson. Dickinson said, what really hurt me was when 409 00:26:03,880 --> 00:26:06,880 Sliced Alone said one of the reasons he didn't want to be with me besides 410 00:26:06,920 --> 00:26:10,000 the kid, was that I was too old for him. I said, 411 00:26:10,039 --> 00:26:12,440 define old, and he said, when you're going through the pet shop, 412 00:26:12,480 --> 00:26:15,759 you buy the puppy, not the old dog. I thought that was a 413 00:26:15,799 --> 00:26:18,559 really stupid thing to say. That bothered me. Who the hell did he 414 00:26:18,599 --> 00:26:26,480 think he was telling me that shit for Anyhow, David Caruso, I was 415 00:26:26,519 --> 00:26:30,680 hoping MIPD Blue would loosen my schedule up like they did for George Clooney when 416 00:26:30,680 --> 00:26:33,279 he was making Batman. They let him work weekends and stuff like that. 417 00:26:33,440 --> 00:26:37,359 Anyway, I proposed, for lack of a better term, for precedent, 418 00:26:37,400 --> 00:26:41,200 that had never been done before, and everyone panicked on me. So they 419 00:26:41,240 --> 00:26:44,319 decided the best thing for the show was to me to leave. So in 420 00:26:44,359 --> 00:26:48,359 reality I was fired. They said, you go far with your motion picture 421 00:26:48,400 --> 00:26:51,599 career, and we're going to go far without you. I've told this story 422 00:26:51,680 --> 00:26:53,319 five of the times, but nobody will print it. Nobody wants to believe 423 00:26:53,359 --> 00:26:59,640 it. This is terrible. Ja Jacaboa said, Darling, look at how 424 00:26:59,680 --> 00:27:03,240 Michael Jackson looks. He doesn't want to be black and he can't be white. 425 00:27:03,359 --> 00:27:04,839 I think it looks awful. I mean, I just think that Michael 426 00:27:04,880 --> 00:27:08,519 is a very sick man. I think Madonna's just his bad. She also 427 00:27:08,559 --> 00:27:11,599 has such a big talent, yet she believes like she behaves like a street 428 00:27:11,640 --> 00:27:15,119 walker. And explained to me, Elizabeth Taylor, you knows she's my next 429 00:27:15,119 --> 00:27:18,440 door neighbor, right, But I can't understand why she would defend him. 430 00:27:18,759 --> 00:27:25,559 Do you think it's for publicity? And Finally, Pauline Pozakova said, do 431 00:27:25,599 --> 00:27:29,839 you really think Jade Barrymore and Pharah Fawcett look hot and playboy? I don't 432 00:27:29,880 --> 00:27:33,000 think so. Those pictures gave me nightmares. I thought they looked like train 433 00:27:33,079 --> 00:27:37,799 wrecks. Geez, somebody should have told them to do better. Excuse me, 434 00:27:37,839 --> 00:27:41,079 Pauline, it you ended up posing quite a bit lately, and Jade 435 00:27:41,160 --> 00:27:45,079 and Pharah looked a lot better than you. Gotta be careful what you say. 436 00:27:45,119 --> 00:27:51,640 It comes back to bite you in the ass. Finally, Victoria Gotti 437 00:27:52,039 --> 00:27:56,640 said, my father hated to see any of us under any situation. Cry 438 00:27:56,200 --> 00:27:59,799 and thinking back now as a little girl, it was hard not to. 439 00:28:00,799 --> 00:28:03,119 But my father's attitude if you skin your knee, thought of the cry was 440 00:28:03,319 --> 00:28:07,759 you're tougher than this. You don't have to cry over this. You cry 441 00:28:07,759 --> 00:28:10,039 when you really need those tears, and I hope the god you'd ever need 442 00:28:10,039 --> 00:28:15,519 them. Now, stop crying, Carrot Top. Some comics say my act 443 00:28:15,519 --> 00:28:18,640 there's a piece of crap, but then four thousand people will line up to 444 00:28:18,680 --> 00:28:22,799 see me perform. Well, do I care more about the fans or this 445 00:28:22,839 --> 00:28:26,799 one guy who was sitting in a room without a window, going fuck Carrot 446 00:28:26,880 --> 00:28:33,960 Top? Henry Winkler. The first time I said a as the funds it 447 00:28:33,039 --> 00:28:37,559 was because there was too much dialogue, so I set it to reduce language 448 00:28:37,599 --> 00:28:41,920 to sound. I never would have guessed how popular it would become. All 449 00:28:41,920 --> 00:28:45,200 I knew back then was that I was getting paid and I bet them up 450 00:28:45,200 --> 00:28:48,960 with stuff and be funny. Man, Look where that took him. I 451 00:28:49,000 --> 00:28:52,000 don't think I have Howard's dorning it too. At the end. Yeah, 452 00:28:52,039 --> 00:28:55,799 I got Howard's doing I know it. Yeah, Howard's doing. I know 453 00:28:55,920 --> 00:28:59,359 intellectually there's no God, but in case there is, I don't want to 454 00:28:59,359 --> 00:29:02,680 piss them off by saying that if you watch that tape of the guy getting 455 00:29:02,720 --> 00:29:04,920 his head chopped off, there's no way there could be a God like no 456 00:29:06,079 --> 00:29:07,759 God could allow that. If I was God, I would say, listen, 457 00:29:07,799 --> 00:29:11,680 I can't allow this. I'm gonna stop it. Just as his head 458 00:29:11,720 --> 00:29:14,359 was about to be cut off, I would break the Arab's arms. If 459 00:29:14,359 --> 00:29:18,839 God is compassionate, he would never allowed it. I understand that too, 460 00:29:21,039 --> 00:29:22,960 I get it. But this are the kind of things that Chauncy would end 461 00:29:23,039 --> 00:29:26,720 up getting out of people just for saying, are you ready, I'm gonna 462 00:29:26,720 --> 00:29:30,279 press record, And he puts them in a state when they're very comfortable with 463 00:29:30,319 --> 00:29:36,599 themselves, and after a while, what happens. It's interesting, it happens 464 00:29:36,599 --> 00:29:38,559 when you're on Howard's Done. You just want to bring the truth to that 465 00:29:38,599 --> 00:29:41,839 show, because that's what Howard does. If he brings the truth. Thing, 466 00:29:41,880 --> 00:29:47,680 you've got to bring the truth. And with Chauncy being the editor of 467 00:29:47,720 --> 00:29:52,000 that page, he wanted certain things from those people to be said. And 468 00:29:52,079 --> 00:29:56,440 eventually, in the course of an hour or so being interviewed, you don't 469 00:29:56,440 --> 00:30:00,559 want me dead air time. You want to be spontaneous, funny, and 470 00:30:00,599 --> 00:30:03,839 you end up saying things that kind of come out outrageous at times and other 471 00:30:03,920 --> 00:30:10,880 times they can really light your ass on fire. But there's something to be 472 00:30:10,960 --> 00:30:18,240 said about always talking, always answering questions. Eventually you're gonna say anything. 473 00:30:18,640 --> 00:30:23,400 It's scary, but I know that an interviewing technique when I was a journalist 474 00:30:23,519 --> 00:30:27,720 was not to ask too much and keep your mouth shut and not answer questions 475 00:30:27,720 --> 00:30:32,400 for them that you post. Let them build down the second and third tier 476 00:30:32,480 --> 00:30:36,880 of their brains to figure out what they're gonna answer that question with. You'd 477 00:30:36,920 --> 00:30:41,119 be surprised what people come up with. They break stories just because you're sitting 478 00:30:41,160 --> 00:30:45,680 there listening. Interesting. I've learned a lot about talking since I've had this 479 00:30:45,720 --> 00:30:49,240 podcast. I've learned it after almost seven years of doing this. You do 480 00:30:49,319 --> 00:30:55,160 anything for our day daily for that many years, and like Johnny Carson said 481 00:30:55,160 --> 00:30:57,400 at one point hosting The Tonight Show, he said, you do a show 482 00:30:57,440 --> 00:31:02,480 every night for a year, for for an hour, for years, and 483 00:31:02,559 --> 00:31:07,119 eventually you will say everything you have in your head and your heart. And 484 00:31:07,160 --> 00:31:14,319 I think I'm absolutely headed there, that's for sure. I've done it before 485 00:31:14,359 --> 00:31:15,960 in the past that I'm not going to stop now. So if you really 486 00:31:17,039 --> 00:31:22,279 want to hear that stuff that's deep from the marrows of my bone. Go 487 00:31:22,359 --> 00:31:26,440 to patreon dot com slash Fame as a Bitch and get the real good stuff. 488 00:31:26,240 --> 00:31:29,599 Spend thirty one minutes at you birds. All right, that was a 489 00:31:29,640 --> 00:31:32,079 good day. I took care of you. Because it's so rainy out I 490 00:31:32,079 --> 00:31:34,240 want you to wash it away. But you know, next show is a 491 00:31:34,279 --> 00:31:38,400 new day to fend for yourself. Come over here in the shade, the 492 00:31:38,599 --> 00:31:44,160 nice trees over here, a lot of food. You'll do well, you'll 493 00:31:44,200 --> 00:31:48,640 flourish. That's it. I'm aj Benson. That was your free show for 494 00:31:48,720 --> 00:31:59,559 February seven, twenty twenty four. I'll talk to you guys soon. Thank 495 00:31:59,559 --> 00:32:02,839 you for listen. Fame as a Bitch is an aj Benza Workhouse Connect production 496 00:32:04,000 --> 00:32:09,640 featuring the endless wisdom, insightful commentarian sometimes fucked up perspective of AJ Benza executive 497 00:32:09,640 --> 00:32:12,200 producer Mike Agavino