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What is crack a lacing fellow thermonuclear
A efforts. I am Dana Valley,

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coming at you Capslock Live with my
certified fantabulous thermonuclear AF co host mister Grant

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Hughes. It is post NBA trade
deadline talk. People are mad, big

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mad that there wasn't more action.
There was no action. We're gonna get

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into all of it, talk about
the teams, winners, losers, just

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impressions of whatever. It's gonna be
a good time. It was still.

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Look, it was hectic on my
end, Grant though, how did you

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do? Did you? Did you
survive the deadline? Are you? Are

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you mad? Are you angry?
In range? I'm not mad. I'm

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not I'm certainly not big mad.
I don't think I'm mad of any size.

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I feel pretty good about it.
I've for for br I was working

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on buyout Camp. It's so sort
of having to look ahead at post trade

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deadline world. I will say I
thought about this this morning. There was

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a weird, like a little like
preemptive sense of relief because we're here finally

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and now we're past the deadline,
and like, I don't know, this

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is probably giving away too much about
myself. But I really love when things

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get simplified and I can like check
things off that I don't have to worry

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about or think about anymore. And
the trade deadline very much like it's a

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big part of the league. We
enjoy covering it, but it like once

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we're past it, now we just
have thirty teams. I mean, the

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buyout thing is you know, never
it ends up mattering that much, but

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buyout stuff excluded. Like now we
just have teams and we get to talk

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about them and how they stack up
against each other and where they're good,

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where they're not. Like it just
clarifies the rest of the season for me

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once we're past the deadline because we're
not thinking about, Okay, what if

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you tweaked this or what if this
guy's available, like where should he?

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We just like wipe we just like
I don't know, clear all that clutter

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off our desks and we just can
focus on like a few things that are

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simpler and like I kind of to
be frank, like enjoy a little bit

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more about basketball analysis. So that's
exciting to me. And also, like

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I think sometimes when you don't get
a blockbuster trade, which we really didn't

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other than like the you know,
the actual block moves, get a deadline

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blockbuster. I think it's just kind
of more interesting to look at some of

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these smaller moves and it's not like
there's not a no brainer, Oh this

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team crushed it, or this team
was terrible, like there sometimes is with

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marquee names. But we'll get into
that, we'll get into winners and losers

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and stuff. But I felt pretty
good about the deadline. I'm I'm interested

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in talking about it, and I'm
also interested to move past it. What

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about you? How do you feel
about it? So it's disappointing in a

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sense that I'm never a big like
rumors person. I like the idea of

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figuring out which players team should target, but then I really like analyzing how

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they fit and the fact that we
don't have like bigger names that we have

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to figure out the fits. But
we did get these bigger deals, and

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so there's like a little bit I'm
not as I'm not as invested in the

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rumor mill as others, so it's
not as big of a disappointment. I

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do understand that people wanted just more
activity and that there's that rush of reaction

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to where when you get a James
Harden deal at the trade deadline. I

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do think and I normally I don't
feel this way. I don't fall into

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the trap of this deadline's gonna suck. Look we had, I wrote,

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I was grading every deal. They
were like at least nine deals, maybe

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ten, depending on how you feel
about Xavier Tillman that are worth going like,

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oh in on if you really wanted
to. But I think the the

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I normally don't fall into the trap
of, oh, this deadline's gonna suck.

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Everyone's saying it's gonna be quiet.
But as soon as Miami traded that

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first round pick so early, I
was like, oh, like this deadline

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day just might be a little bit
different, and it was. I still

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think like a lot of meaningful stuff
happened, and now we get to focus

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on the games, and that's just
a little bit easier to tackle. It

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doesn't feel like my opinions are less
inclined to change every five seconds now,

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So that's that's super exciting. I'll
throw it to you first, though,

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just which team or if it's a
specific trade, like both ends of it

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do you want to start with?
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in the absence of de Jontay Murray
going somewhere, and we we kind of

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knew that the Bulls probably were going
to sit it out, so I didn't

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realize that three deadlines, no moves
in a row. Yeah, well,

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when the last deadline trade you made
was the trade little hesitating going forward because

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we still never I still never shut
up about how bad that trade was.

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I think it's probably the Knicks.
I think, I like, you know,

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you get Bogdanovich, you get Alec
Burks, you use that Fournier salary

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slot finally, so we can stop
talking about that. Although I don't.

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I don't think the Pistons are going
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I think you rolled out. He's
a team option. Might as well just

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let him like that. Yeah,
So to get like two really significant offensive

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boosts Bogdanovic, who you can keep
under contract next year for nineteen million or

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just not you know, pay him
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guarantee. Burks is expiring, so
there's no major salary implications. Guys that

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really can help you, especially with
Julius Randall out, Guys that can juice

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the offense veterans like and to give
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To do all that without a first
going out pretty solid, Like I

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think they they jumped to mind for
me as the biggest winner just because I

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mean, you know, we'll get
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did they get two of the best
players that change teams? I mean,

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certainly, I don't know the two
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three, two of the four,
like some of the best players that change

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hands, didn't give up a first
got the kind of help they needed,

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Like it's a that's just a clear
win to me, right like that that's

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almost too obvious. I feel like, yeah, they're so fred katz On

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he clarified the pick, So they
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seconds, Like those are twenty nine
seconds, and we do tend to over

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romanticize second round picks. I got
into this, well, I didn't get

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in this. People reyelling at me
on Twitter when Detroit got Simoni Fontecio,

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and I was like, they just
up the number thirty two pick or whatever,

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thirty one pick. That's like,
eh, Like that's not great for

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someone who's twenty eight and gonna be
a restricted free agent. In the Knix's

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case, I think there's I wonder
if and I'm not sure this is probly

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calculus like Grimes in those seconds,
could that have gotten you Malcolm Brogden And

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then you made the active decision to
well, we need two guys instead of

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like, instead of like kind of
rolling it into Malcolm Brogden alone. And

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I will say the one concern is
Boyan Bardonovich turns thirty five in April,

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and so yes, his salary next
year nineteen million, that partially guaranteed,

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but you fully guarantee it, and
you can move it. He's just not

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gonna have as much standalone value as
a He still will be viewed more so

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by his next team as a unless
there's a third team involved, maybe they

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give you something for Boyon but he's
gonna be viewed as a salary matcher rather

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than a Broggeden or a Colin Sexton
like someone along those or Dejonte Murray of

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course could have been viewed as an
actual asset. But that's like, that's

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super nitpicking. And you look at
the Knicks and you mentioned it just juicing

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up the offense. Boya Badonovich over
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attempts per thirty six minutes. He's
not doing his good into isolation as he

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was last year, and he doesn't
grab any rebounds, but like he can

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create some of his own stuff in
a pinch. And because of the way

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the Knicks are built, and you
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healthy and that elbow thing isn't something
that'll linger, you can actually play him

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og Randall in a big together and
then whoever you want Jalen Brunson at the

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one that can work thanks to og
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Robinson and Isaiah Hartenstein, should Robinson
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look, his defense is infuriating because
of how up and down it is,

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but the breadth of assignments that he
covers is actually valuable to the team,

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and so that allows you to do
things with Boyan Bagdanovic. That's a home

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run acquisition. I don't I like
Burkes. He's shooting like forty or thirty

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eight percent on off the dribble threes
this year. That's an element they could

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use outside of Jalen Brunson. I
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I still think you needed that a
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do have enough of those secondary ball
movers in Dante DiVincenzo, in Josh Hard

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even the minutes you've gotten for Miles
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movement here when it was four y
eight grimes. And so I would be

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curious as to what the argument necessarily
is against this deal unless it was,

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well, did they choose between I
would have rather have them consolidated into Malcolm

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Brogden then sort of you know,
splitting it. They didn't split it down

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the middle because the money they wind
up giving up, but rather than getting

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these these two players. But I
think it was Yeah. To me,

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I think they are the biggest and
especially when you look at their moves in

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some when it's like okay og and
these like, they feel like the maybe

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biggest winners of trade season, although
the Clippers they're just up there right now

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because of the way that they've they've
played by and large, Yeah, I

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think the the only the only other
team. I think it's pretty clearly the

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Knicks as the biggest winner. I
mean, we probably should talk about the

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Sixers, uh, you know,
no, no Marquee moves seemingly setting themselves

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up for a couple of buyout guys. Maybe Kyle Lowry seems like the most

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you know, obvious guy out there, but like so they they flip.

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I have this is this is a
symptom of recording this live, Like I

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have to look at all the Sixers
trades that well, they traded. They

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traded Patrick Beverly for Campaign in a
twenty twenty seven second, which is hilarious

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because we get Patrick Beverly on Damian
Lillard's team now, and like, I

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mean, I'm sure nothing will come
of it, but it's always funny when

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guys that like, well, also
Patrick Beverly like has this relationship with seventy

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five percent of the league where he's
like talked shit about them or like made

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fun of them on the sidelines and
all the other stuff. He already called

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to apologize on his podcast live or
I really can't. I can't stand that

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man. So they have they traded
Beverly for campaign in a twenty twenty seven

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second. By the way, campaign, and we'll get into some Bucks and

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Pacers stuff like and other, like
we should get into the Pistons. They

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did the most of any team,
but campaytrooon, like fifty five percent on

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floaters close to it. He's shooting
very interesting. It's very low volume,

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but he's at like twelve of eighteen
on step back jumpers, like that's not

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a nothing get, especially without Joel
Embiid. So there's that trade. He

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traded Jaden Springer for a second round
pick, and then the big deal,

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which was three seconds and Marcus Morris's
money effectively to bring in Buddy Healed,

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and the seconds were for anyone who
cares about by the way, that's uh,

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I didn't mention this at the top
the reporting on these things, Woj

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and Schamps don't give a fuck anymore. They're sometimes not even mentioning the players

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that are in the deal. And
then the second round pick protections like we

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still don't even have all of them
for some of these trades. But the

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Sixers gave up fer Conkrk Mars,
Marcus Moore senior, Toronto's twenty four second,

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Portland's twenty twenty nine second, and
the Clippers is twenty twenty nine second

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to get Buddy Healed. So you
may take it from there. Those Yeah,

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no, Heald is the big one. But I think if you view

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all of their I guess it's three
trades. Technically, you're you're clearing roster

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spots for buyout stuff. And look, they essentially can go into this summer

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with if I have it right,
five first that they can trade and upwards

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of sixty million in cap space,
and we definitely need to have Paul Reid

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thing if they don't want to play
a round, then they can get to

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over sixty. Otherwise I think it's
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he probably should have a conversation.
Like I think these were all opportunistic moves,

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although like I really, I know, I irrationally like Jaden Springer.

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He can't shoot, but he's he
is a hillacious defender, really good athlete.

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I really love Boston adding Springer as
like an end of the roster type

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of guy. But you're you're getting
they got a second forum, which I

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think probably is never going to convey. I think was that one of those

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like top fifty five protected there were
a couple of those that changed hands today.

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I don't know if that's one for
sure. All Right, So very

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breaking news on the podcast per woj
not a trade. Oj Anobi had surgery

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to remove a loose bone fragment in
his right elbow, and we'll miss a

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minimum of three weeks according to sources. Okay, so look three weeks March

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first, that's a week and a
half after the All Star break. Not

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having Julius Randall either is kinda is
kind of big. So that's Look,

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that's not nothing as part of all
this. And like the Knicks go for,

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I mean, their injuries are part
of the game. But like the

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Julius Randall shoulder, og Anobe elbow, Mitch Robinson out until like we he

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started on court works or whatever whatever
that means. That's just something to monitor

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because at full strength, they're one
of the most lethal teams in the East.

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But you have to ask or they
ever going to approach full strength.

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Well, that makes this trade better
for them, That makes it makes it

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even more important because now Bogdanovic is
just going to be in a significant role,

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right, He's going to get a
lot of minutes at the three,

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a lot of minutes at the four, because otherwise you're just so it'll be

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really I mean, Boganovitch is not
like a sturdy defender, but they'll be

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so small if they if it's going
to be like Heart and Devincenzo soaking up

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minutes at the three and the four. Potentially that's not what you want.

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So I think that if anything,
that makes the Knicks look better based on

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the trade they make, because like
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could score because they lost their best
small forward and their best power forward is

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already out. Nope. But so
for the Sixers, like, where do

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you come down on because a lot
of like how well they did, I

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think depends on what you think their
next big move is. And all this

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cap space gives them the option to
do something in free agency. Everybody talks

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about how there are no free agents. Things can change, like you never

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know what space might allow you to
do. Would you put them as a

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winner and does that depend on sort
of what they do? Like is that

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is their winner status contingent on sort
of the All right, so what are

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we doing with all these assets?
Right? Because it's kind of incomplete?

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I guess if you really wanted to
be sort of precise about it, No,

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you're not even that's not even like
nitpicking, it's just, yeah,

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it's a lot of TVD because what
does that cap space roll into? But

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I think we'll get into this with
the magic is they surveyed the landscape and

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said it makes more sense for us
to open more first round equity to trade

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this summer than to trade any of
it now, and the NBAT injury simplified

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that for them, I'm sure.
But they're a winner. That was the

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There are two big discrepancies I think
based off sort of just fans. Maybe

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even our discord members haven't really checked. That's the other thing at all.

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This too many tangents here. But
if I have not answered your message on

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Twitter or in Discord or Instagram or
like, it's not happening today, so

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like I'm just not I'm not gonna
get to everyone. I saw people tagging

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me, DM and me on Twitter
all over the place. They didn't get

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to all of them. It was
hectic. So I've I viewed him as

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a winner though, and it seems
like I diverged from like public consensus on

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that. But like this is a
team that need won, like get to

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the raw bones of it. They
didn't. If you care about the finances,

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they did nothing to sacrifice their spending
power this year. And there's a

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chance, by the way, that
what you're able to do now is resigned,

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Buddy held while still having one max
slot open like that's a like and

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having the maxie cap like that's a
really big deal to be in. And

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then as friend of the podcast slash
our editor at Pleacher Report, Brian Dapoora

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pointed out, let's just get to
the raw, simplified bones of this.

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This is per bt. The Sixers
are twenty six and three point ten to

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eight and twenty seventh and made three
pointers this season, Like Buddy hild is

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gonna shoot over forty percent. And
when he's not shooting, guess what,

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whether he's moving off the ball,
whether he's running downhill. That dude has

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fucking gravity. Yeah, gravity,
And so I like that, And you

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gave up who Marcus Moore Senior and
Ferkhon Korkmas, who's requested trade once a

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week for the past three and a
half years. So it's just like,

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I'm just confused. And I saw
people were upset about them trading Beverly,

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mostly six Ers fans, and so
I get like the emotional bell Weather aspect

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of that. I just don't not
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I actually think that campaign probably feels
more of a need, right now with

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him beat out. And I will
say, though, and you brought this

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up with your cap space, we
need to see what happens over the off

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season. But you then need to
tell me even if they don't get Paul

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George, which Chris Haynes said they're
gonna target him, They're probably not gonna

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get him, but like, they
can still make trades with that cap space.

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If they don't trade for anybody over
the off season or something goes right,

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well, then tell me what the
move is that they missed out on

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at this deadline that would have made
you feel better. And finally, I

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am operating under the assumption a little
bit that it's just I get that they

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didn't trade for You can't even call
them an emergency big at this point.

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It's like, well, it beads
out. We need someone other than Paul

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Read and Mobam, but a soak
cup minutes Kelly Olynik would have been nice.

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But like, I'm just assuming,
well, there's gonna be a big

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that falls to the buyout market who's
not Robin Lopez. And I'm just assuming

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I'm penciling in Kyle Lowry for Philadelphia
at this point. And so it's just

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like there's your defensive makeup from Patrick
Beverley, who, look, he's a

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defensive try hard. He's also performative
on that end of a lot of time,

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it's like this chaotic energy without a
purpose on it. And I'm not

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saying that Lowry is like some lockdown
guy. But if you go from here's

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a question for the rest of the
season, would you rather have Kyle Lowry

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and campaign or Patrick Beverley? Easy
Lowry. I would just rather have Lowry

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than Beverly. I mean, I
know Lowry is not what he used to

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be, but like you don't even
need to include campaign in that. It's

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pretty easy for me. Yeah.
So it's just I like, I'm just

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what is the argument? Like,
and maybe you're just you could you're removed

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from it better than I am saying, well, what is the argument?

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What did they do wrong at this
DEVN? I think the only thing that

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really you could quibble about right now
is well, you didn't really do anything

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to address like the shallowness on the
front line. And it's okay, what

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did you want? Like, look, look what the cost ended up being

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for Kelly Olinik was like, were
you gonna beat that? So it's just

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you know. I just I'm I'm
surprised that so many people were down on

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their deadline because to me, it
wasn't strictly a money saving getting at like

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keeping yourself out of the tax so
we can go buy out market hunting move.

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It was We're gonna prioritize for the
future, but we just got better

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in the short term too. Yeah, I agree. So those are my

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two big winners. I don't know, Oh can we can you let me?

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Can I pick the Can I pick
where we go next? Oh?

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Yes, please? Uh? What
is going on in Dallas? Okay?

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So that was gonna go there because
like that was the that was no,

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no, no, And I wasn't
I was just gonna say, like basically

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that, like what do we make
of this? Because to me, and

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look we were talking off air before, like I saw like condemnations of this,

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of this deadline for Dallas, and
I saw like celebrations of it.

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I won't say who did what because
obviously, like when we give our opinions,

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it will suggest who we disagree with. Uh, But so PJ.

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Washington in essentially Grant Williams Seth Curry
A twenty seven first with top two protection

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and a couple seconds go out right. That's that's that's that's got They got

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two back in that deal. They
got two back, two seconds coming back.

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Yeah, Charlotte gave them two seconds
in that deal. All right.

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So I had my notes based on
the original reporting. I think maybe had

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that backwards. So again, they
don't give a fuck anymore about reporting.

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We do. We're going to get
it right. So before they probably got

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it wrong, but please we get
it right eventually. That's our that's our

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motto. So if you love this
for Dallas, you're convinced PJ. Washington

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is significantly better than Grant Williams,
and like Washington's contract does decline, so

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that's you know, that's a factor
pretty similar numbers ultimately, and you really,

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if you like this for Dallas,
are just over the moon because you

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didn't give up Josh Green or Jayden
Hardy or omax. I guess right,

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Like that's the defense of it,
to give up the only first you could

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trade at this point and put like
almost no meaningful protection on it. Uh,

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is like that's kind of that really
like knocks me back. I was

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really surprised I'm giving up Josh Green. I think before I give up that

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first, especially considering how few Dallas
has to trade at the moment. They'll

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get more uh after the draft,
but like moneymore, they won't. Oh

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that's right, So how does let's
talk about that? How does that encumber

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their other picks. It's so they
can't trade one they saw they could a

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twenty thirty one slop slop swap.
But what they've also done, and this

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is not just the one move,
is they've now so Luca has that player

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option for twenty twenty six, twenty
twenty seven, they don't control any of

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their own first like from that point
forward, right now they'll have twenty thirty

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one. We'll be back in their
control. This I mean, Exechny,

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they still have that, but you
couldn't trade it anyway. Twenty twenty seven

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is going to Charlotte. The twenty
twenty eight swap is going to Okac because

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that's how they opened. That was
the other reporting that annoyed is that we

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found out how they got the first
right, So twenty twenty eight is headed

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to Okay. See twenty twenty nine, the pick itself is headed to Brooklyn,

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and then you gave up a twenty
thirty swap. That's the san Antonio,

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which I think before I throw it
back to you really ook. You

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think that's an important way to view
this deal is Gafford is sort of a

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separate thing, and you can't hold
on to a mistake. But you ended

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up what you ended up doing is
hard tapping yourself. You ended up giving

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up a twenty thirty pick swap,
and you now ended up giving that twenty

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twenty seven first round pick. And
because of the seconds going in and out

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there, they also give up a
twenty thirty, but they have some coming

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in, so's just forget the seconds
for a minute. You turned all of

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that into PJ. Washington. You
really gotta believe PJ. Washington is the

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missing piece, right Like you have
to believe that his last year thirty four

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point eight percent from three this year
thirty two point four percent. You have

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to believe that improves. Although there's
some I don't have them in front of

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you, but there's some numbers out
there that like his catch and shoot is

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just bad. So it's like if
you're saying once, once you play with

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Luca, you get all the clean
looks you can you can handle, Like,

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I don't know that we're suddenly going
to see peg Washington colon forty three

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point shooter because of the quality of
his looks going up. Maybe that happens

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and the quality of his looks will
go up, But like I think he's

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over sold as this multi position defender. I just that that has not been

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true. Again, Like you get
someone out of Charlotte, or you get

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someone out of a team that's not
playing for anything, and like things can

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change. That happens all the time, right, Like anyone that got traded

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from Washington, from Detroit, from
you know wherever, throw in Charlotte,

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Like we it's not unfair to to
suspect like they might just be like fifteen

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percent better, like the second thing
about to become all. That's how it's

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like, yeah, right, that's
another one. We got to talking about

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the homeless Killian Hayes or a teamless
sorry I mean it's teamless. He'll find

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somewhere. But so you just have
to believe PJ. Washington is worth like

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all of the opportunity costs that you
paid, right, And like I'm just

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kind of not convinced. I don't
think you know, if you're giving,

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if you're Dallas and you are as
limited as they are, and you laid

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it out in the assets you can
trade going forward. We talked about like,

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okay, would you trade that first
if it was Jeremy Grant, Like

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that was the cutoff line of doing
it now versus waiting for the off season.

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And it's just like we said,
Yeah, PJ. Washington is not

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Jeremy Grant, So we fallen short
of our own threshold here. Yeah,

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as Jacob Wiley says, Luca better
stay for the next ten years. I

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mean, it's moves like this that
kind of make you wonder, make you

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wonder if he's interested in that.
So he is. And to your point,

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PJ. Washington shooting a little bit
over thirty eight percent on wide open

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threes, that's good enough. It's
not exceptionally high. And you can't just

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say he's gonna shoot forty four now
in Dallas. He might. I do

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think what he brings, and I
saw people throwing around his forty three point

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performance highlights he is. There's versatility
there. He could do stuff with his

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paint touches. I think're shooting over
seventy percent or whatever on paint touches.

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He can especially they're gonna give him
more space to work with than he had

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in Charlotte on the ball, that
will be like he is an upgrade.

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I want to make clear. So
the Mavericks are, and I like Daniel

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Gafford for them, you're shooting under
fifty nine percent against him at the rim.

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He's the type of player. He's
not what Rashawn Holmes used to be

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on offense, I should say,
but like he could screen and roll and

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finish, but he can also get
shots up before the restricted area. He's

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only taken ten mid range jumpers this
year, but he's hit six of them.

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He can kind of throw up stuff
from that float to range. And

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you know the paint twos that aren't
in their stricted area shooting about fifty percent

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on like that's at least something that's
semi serviceable for a big and the Derek

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Lively the second nasal fracture, I
don't know how much that factored into their

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thinking as well. I want to
make clear the Mavericks today are better than

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the Mavericks were yesterday. Are the
Mavericks of tomorrow better off for what they

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did today? That's that's the question. And I don't I feel very uneasy

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and it's just stepping on the toes
of what you said of giving up your

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only tradable first round pick, and
that's to get PJ. Washington. And

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that's on top of, by the
way, now giving up that swap right

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to Okay season that you had a
tangible first round pick to send to I

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mean, and you can look at
it this way, is just do you

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think that pick right now of that
swap might be just because of how good

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OKC and LAC the Clippers are,
that big is probably gonna I'll say bottom

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seven to give myself a cushion.
Yeah, you think the Dallas is big

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is going to be better than bottom
Like maybe OKAYC will be so good it

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doesn't matter. So that's part of
the calculus. I just don't think the

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reward was worth the risk. And
I get that Luca infers urgency and any

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needs to but like what the Sixers
there even I'm not going to compliment the

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Lakers, and we'll get into teams
very quickly that should have made moves and

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didn't. Maybe, but like,
if you're Dallas and you have the ability

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to kind of wait, this is
a team that I think could have afforded

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to wait, given what ended up
happening here. I agree. I agree,

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like across the board and just looking
at it laid out, so Holmes

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was not in the rotation and just
made never be in one again. And

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I get it. And he's got
your on the hook for twelve point nine

403
00:24:52,359 --> 00:24:55,000
million dollars for him for next year
because he's got a player option that he

404
00:24:55,079 --> 00:24:59,640
will exercise. Is a twenty four
is a first? So really because you

405
00:24:59,680 --> 00:25:03,400
paid to swap and you lost that
swap to get that twenty four first to

406
00:25:03,480 --> 00:25:06,319
send to Washington, which, by
the way, good job Washington to get

407
00:25:06,319 --> 00:25:11,759
a first out out of Dallas by
way of Okay, See, I don't

408
00:25:11,799 --> 00:25:14,799
think Gafford is like he's a backup. He's going to be a backup,

409
00:25:14,880 --> 00:25:18,160
right, So he's not I assume
because the coming back, yeah for sure,

410
00:25:18,359 --> 00:25:22,039
but but ultimately he's a backup.
So like, is he that much

411
00:25:22,079 --> 00:25:26,119
better than a replacement player at that
level? Like whether that's we go back

412
00:25:26,160 --> 00:25:30,319
to the Dwight Powell, Well,
we go back to what for a first?

413
00:25:30,519 --> 00:25:34,359
Like I know, yeah, Amrica, I think the cost is too

414
00:25:34,440 --> 00:25:40,240
high to go from homes slash replacement
center to Gafford because he's not going to

415
00:25:40,279 --> 00:25:42,680
be a starter, you know,
unless there's injury, and I don't imagine

416
00:25:42,720 --> 00:25:47,359
him playing like closing minutes in a
playoff series or whatever, like you know,

417
00:25:47,640 --> 00:25:51,119
you know me, I always default
to that. But like, I

418
00:25:51,279 --> 00:25:56,160
just this seems super aggressive by Dallas, like like you know, marginal,

419
00:25:56,200 --> 00:26:00,920
it's a significant overpays on both of
these trades for like dubious grades and I

420
00:26:00,960 --> 00:26:04,200
will eat a steaming bowlful of crow
if they make a deep playoff run or

421
00:26:04,240 --> 00:26:08,039
PJ. Washington turns out to be
a fringe all start. Just I just

422
00:26:08,240 --> 00:26:11,960
they were not they were a team
that needed to be urgent, but if

423
00:26:11,960 --> 00:26:14,480
this was the best course out there, and it seems like they were just

424
00:26:14,480 --> 00:26:18,279
done with Grant Williams, which did
you not do your research about his personality

425
00:26:18,279 --> 00:26:21,240
because that's the stuff that's floating around
out there right now. I just have

426
00:26:21,319 --> 00:26:26,720
questions about because they've proven they can
evaluate talent like Josh green Good, Derek

427
00:26:26,799 --> 00:26:30,680
Lively the second fantastic I loved Omas
coming into this season. So again,

428
00:26:30,119 --> 00:26:33,480
we're wrong all the time. But
it's just like the mode of operations here

429
00:26:33,519 --> 00:26:37,480
is weird. I'm wondering if very
quickly we could tackle kind of the other

430
00:26:37,880 --> 00:26:41,319
ends of these deals that we've already
talked about, so maybe we start with

431
00:26:41,599 --> 00:26:47,359
let's go to Charlotte really quickly.
They did great work on on this front.

432
00:26:47,400 --> 00:26:49,480
I don't know. I haven't seen
the seconds that are being sent out

433
00:26:49,480 --> 00:26:52,799
to Dallas, but to get a
distant first for PJ. Washington, and

434
00:26:52,799 --> 00:26:56,680
like Grant Williams is someone who is
going to play for them, and like

435
00:26:56,759 --> 00:27:02,000
he's he could play alongside Mark Williams. His best role is probably hey next

436
00:27:02,039 --> 00:27:04,000
to a big to begin with.
And if he's not going to great on

437
00:27:04,039 --> 00:27:07,640
your personality, he's young enough.
I know that deal isn't great, but

438
00:27:07,680 --> 00:27:11,720
it's just he is at least switchable
on the defensive end. Will he take

439
00:27:11,839 --> 00:27:15,079
enough threes? Will he grabs grab
enough rebounds? Will he will he shut

440
00:27:15,079 --> 00:27:18,440
the hell up on the court talking
to refs and complaining. I don't know.

441
00:27:18,480 --> 00:27:21,519
Those are all fair questions, but
I like it as a flyer for

442
00:27:21,559 --> 00:27:23,279
them. And here's what it proves
to me overall, So they've moved Terry

443
00:27:23,319 --> 00:27:26,640
Rozier. They get in the first
round pick for that. So a team

444
00:27:26,680 --> 00:27:30,000
that was technically a net negative in
the first round pick department because of that

445
00:27:30,039 --> 00:27:33,480
fake one going to San Antonio,
you're not a net positive even if you

446
00:27:33,480 --> 00:27:34,440
want to say that one's out the
door, and it won't be because they're

447
00:27:34,440 --> 00:27:37,960
gonna be a lot of team the
next two years. I and then the

448
00:27:37,000 --> 00:27:42,160
Gordon Hayward deal that and that might
lead into OKC. So you trade Gordon

449
00:27:42,200 --> 00:27:48,480
Hayward for Vassili Michic uh Damas Berton's
and trey Man with LaMelo injured. I

450
00:27:48,599 --> 00:27:51,240
kind of like the flyer on trey
Man. By the way, Yamelo dealing

451
00:27:51,240 --> 00:27:56,039
with more ankle stuff. Mesich is
like he's not he's thirty, but like

452
00:27:56,079 --> 00:27:59,559
he's making under eight million dollars this
year and next season. He is shooting

453
00:28:00,119 --> 00:28:03,039
secondary ball, handling him passing,
and he's kind of got like that pinball

454
00:28:03,039 --> 00:28:06,519
element to him on offense, and
he can even screen. And so you're

455
00:28:06,519 --> 00:28:10,599
getting and like, if you're gonna
have older players on a rebuilding squad,

456
00:28:10,599 --> 00:28:14,839
aside from making sure they're high character, I love the idea of just shooters

457
00:28:14,839 --> 00:28:18,720
and ball movers because they make everything
easier on the players you're trying to develop.

458
00:28:18,119 --> 00:28:22,200
And so there's all of that that
they did. I don't think I

459
00:28:22,240 --> 00:28:25,599
missed anything, but then it just
shows you, oh my god, they're

460
00:28:25,640 --> 00:28:27,480
actually I don't even I'm not getting
into Miles Bridges. They didn't move them,

461
00:28:27,720 --> 00:28:30,720
they never should have even brought them
back. That's where I stand.

462
00:28:30,960 --> 00:28:36,759
But as an organizational direction, it
proves that they're gonna take a more gradual,

463
00:28:37,359 --> 00:28:40,640
level headed approach, and that's something
that has been missing them for like

464
00:28:40,920 --> 00:28:45,039
right ever, and so I love
it. So I also love the thunderside

465
00:28:45,039 --> 00:28:49,000
of that, getting Gordon Hayward,
we can you don't love that? Did

466
00:28:49,000 --> 00:28:52,000
you go? Could you go on
your horness thoughts first? And then we

467
00:28:52,039 --> 00:28:55,440
can we can know. I think
my first thought was, yeah, I

468
00:28:55,480 --> 00:28:59,920
like, I like what Charlotte did. It was like a very sane man

469
00:29:00,000 --> 00:29:03,119
measured, you know, operation.
But I also it made me think,

470
00:29:03,200 --> 00:29:08,880
like it's so much easier to be
in that position as a friend and just

471
00:29:08,920 --> 00:29:14,720
in terms of like making trades,
because it's like everybody knows that you'll get

472
00:29:14,759 --> 00:29:18,279
good reviews from dummies like us if
you you know, get draft equity,

473
00:29:18,720 --> 00:29:22,839
you know, take on some bad
money, get some young guys. It's

474
00:29:22,880 --> 00:29:26,079
all just speculative. Like the hard
the hard spots are like being the Knicks

475
00:29:26,160 --> 00:29:30,720
or being the Sixers, or being
these other teams that like we need something

476
00:29:30,799 --> 00:29:33,720
and it matters because we're pretty good, and we you know, we're trying

477
00:29:33,759 --> 00:29:37,160
to preserve that, and we've got
all these different you know, irons in

478
00:29:37,200 --> 00:29:40,400
the fire, like for the for
the Hornets and for other bad teams.

479
00:29:40,440 --> 00:29:44,440
It's just like it should be really
easy to like quote unquote do well at

480
00:29:44,440 --> 00:29:47,599
the trade deadline all the time.
So that was my thought, is like

481
00:29:47,640 --> 00:29:51,200
the bar is just so low for
our approval and it's so easy to execute

482
00:29:51,200 --> 00:29:53,160
because you're always like, you know, they were they could have traded Gordon

483
00:29:53,160 --> 00:29:56,759
Hayward lots of places, but they
you know, they so they sort of

484
00:29:56,799 --> 00:30:00,319
had their pick I guess of what
they got back. So it's just easy

485
00:30:00,319 --> 00:30:03,200
to transact from that position. You
know, I think I don't have a

486
00:30:03,240 --> 00:30:06,720
lot else to say on Charlotte.
I think, like, you know,

487
00:30:07,519 --> 00:30:10,000
I think Grant Williams will help there. I think he's you were you were

488
00:30:10,039 --> 00:30:11,880
referring to mechic. I think,
but like Williams is gonna make open shots

489
00:30:11,880 --> 00:30:15,359
and defend hard and move the like
he's just gonna be another guy that maybe

490
00:30:17,000 --> 00:30:19,279
helps Brandon Miller's life get a little
easier. And you know, when LaMelo's

491
00:30:19,319 --> 00:30:22,039
back, like he kind of fits
in as a as just a supple a

492
00:30:22,319 --> 00:30:27,119
complimentary piece, like maybe he'll great
on Charlotte like he has on his last

493
00:30:27,160 --> 00:30:30,640
two teams. I guess, like
that's that's a concern, But like I

494
00:30:30,680 --> 00:30:34,440
don't think Grant Williams is gonna be
unmovable at his salary going forward, Like

495
00:30:34,440 --> 00:30:40,000
there's always gonna be interest in you
know, a sort of maybe can guard

496
00:30:40,079 --> 00:30:42,559
fives but can shoot threes and you
know, defense hard like that guy's that

497
00:30:42,599 --> 00:30:45,759
guy's movable. So yeah, I
like that. I like everything Charlotte did,

498
00:30:47,119 --> 00:30:52,160
even though it's easy to do what
Charlotte did on to the thunder you,

499
00:30:52,880 --> 00:30:57,039
I basically reacted with the the Kumbatra
girl reaction. So I saw the

500
00:30:57,079 --> 00:31:00,680
trade when it was just doabas Barton's
and trade Man, which would have worked

501
00:31:00,720 --> 00:31:03,119
under the new salary matching rules.
And then I saw meat just was included.

502
00:31:03,319 --> 00:31:06,359
Yeah, and I was like uh. And then I was like,

503
00:31:06,400 --> 00:31:10,240
well, isaya Joe is there?
And like Casan Wallace, maybe he needs

504
00:31:10,279 --> 00:31:11,519
more volume, but like that's someone
who plays off the ball a lot and

505
00:31:11,519 --> 00:31:15,440
can play him on the ball.
And then I talk myself into like Gordon

506
00:31:15,440 --> 00:31:18,640
Hayward hasn't played since the end of
December, but I talk myself into Gordon

507
00:31:18,680 --> 00:31:21,960
Hayward being the what have I been
calling for? On this pod? Everyone's

508
00:31:21,960 --> 00:31:23,960
focusing on size, size, size, rebounding. I've been calling for.

509
00:31:25,519 --> 00:31:30,720
Get Josh Giddy all the way away
from my high leverage like crunch time lineups,

510
00:31:30,720 --> 00:31:33,400
which they've done, and just get
me someone who can defense as well

511
00:31:33,440 --> 00:31:37,200
respect away from the ball and give
you some of the jiggle and joggle on

512
00:31:37,319 --> 00:31:40,839
it. And guess what Gordon Hayward
at his peak, even now when he's

513
00:31:40,839 --> 00:31:42,160
like what I was he forty five
years old or whatever, Now he's like

514
00:31:42,200 --> 00:31:45,559
what thirty three? Age thirty three
season? Yeah, age thirty three,

515
00:31:45,920 --> 00:31:49,039
that's where he does. And to
have his bird rights gives you a couple

516
00:31:49,039 --> 00:31:52,640
of options if he fits okay,
like we bring him back and he guess

517
00:31:52,640 --> 00:31:56,359
what his number is gonna not be
thirty one and a half million dollars next

518
00:31:56,440 --> 00:31:59,920
year. And even if he's not, like if he's fringe, you get

519
00:32:00,039 --> 00:32:02,720
a role that salary slot into like
some someone else, or maybe you resigned

520
00:32:02,720 --> 00:32:06,599
Gordon Heyward to a smaller deal that
you think could be moved, and his

521
00:32:06,799 --> 00:32:13,519
role in Okayc's gonna be so much
more tertiary than it was in Charlotte to

522
00:32:13,559 --> 00:32:15,079
where he'll have to play a few
more minutes. When he's healthy, he'll

523
00:32:15,200 --> 00:32:19,519
not have to do as much because
you know his pro like LaMelo Ball,

524
00:32:19,559 --> 00:32:22,440
won't be injured every five seconds.
You have. SGA and Jyl Williams were

525
00:32:22,480 --> 00:32:24,079
both kind of like SGA has had
some injury issues, but they both buy

526
00:32:24,079 --> 00:32:28,119
in large bit available and he was
shut down a few times anyway, So

527
00:32:28,759 --> 00:32:30,680
I ended up liking the deal.
But it went from like an A plus

528
00:32:30,680 --> 00:32:32,960
plus plus plus plus to me like, all right, this is a solid

529
00:32:34,000 --> 00:32:37,039
like B B plus move, and
I understand the theory, but there's a

530
00:32:37,039 --> 00:32:42,400
little bit of just like it.
There's there's it's not risk, but there's

531
00:32:42,400 --> 00:32:45,880
a little bit of underwhelmingness to it, even by the standards of we all

532
00:32:45,960 --> 00:32:49,079
knew, okayc he wasn't gonna do
nothing. I honestly thought they were gonna

533
00:32:49,119 --> 00:32:52,599
roll Damas Breton's into somebody who was
guaranteed to be on the books next year,

534
00:32:52,640 --> 00:32:55,200
even if they didn't help them as
much this year. I think that's

535
00:32:55,200 --> 00:32:59,440
all fair. I just kind of
looked at it. I think maybe we've

536
00:32:59,480 --> 00:33:02,599
just been talking too much. But
I immediately thought, like, what exactly

537
00:33:02,640 --> 00:33:07,720
does Josh Giddy do better than Gordon
Hayward right now today, like not a

538
00:33:07,720 --> 00:33:10,240
better defender. And that's not saying
Hayward's a great defender, like he's got

539
00:33:10,319 --> 00:33:15,160
mobility issues now, but like I
think Giddy's probably worse. You could say

540
00:33:15,200 --> 00:33:16,839
Giddy's a better passer. He's a
better passer than a lot of players in

541
00:33:16,839 --> 00:33:22,839
the league, but like he's the
third most important facilitator in their starting lineup

542
00:33:22,880 --> 00:33:28,880
behind SGA and and Jada probably,
Like I just you know, we've talked

543
00:33:28,920 --> 00:33:31,480
about the space and concerns, Like
Hayward's a better shooter. Hayward's just you

544
00:33:31,519 --> 00:33:37,000
know, a more functional, movable
around the lineup piece. Like Hayward is

545
00:33:37,039 --> 00:33:40,559
going to be the fourth or sometimes
fifth option, Like he's way overqualified for

546
00:33:40,640 --> 00:33:44,279
that job. And Giddy is someone
that you just have to make all these

547
00:33:44,279 --> 00:33:46,160
accommodations for on the floor. You
don't have to do that with Hayward.

548
00:33:46,240 --> 00:33:50,920
Like he will command defensive attention as
a spot up guy, and he will

549
00:33:50,920 --> 00:33:54,880
command attention if he gets to the
elbow, Like Giddy doesn't see two defenders

550
00:33:54,920 --> 00:33:59,440
like ever, because why like why
would you ever do that as a defense.

551
00:33:59,680 --> 00:34:02,119
I think Hayward might as like a
pass, shoot, dribble threat,

552
00:34:02,240 --> 00:34:06,839
like in the upper paint, like
Mike collapse the defense, and like Giddy

553
00:34:06,920 --> 00:34:09,880
just doesn't do that. So I
think Hayward is better than Josh Getty,

554
00:34:09,920 --> 00:34:13,679
assuming he's healthy, assuming he can
play, Like that's always going to be

555
00:34:13,679 --> 00:34:15,599
the thing with Hayward. But then
you said, you said the thing I

556
00:34:15,639 --> 00:34:19,119
love the most is like, I
don't feel like this has to be a

557
00:34:19,159 --> 00:34:22,320
rental. I feel like Hayward could
just be someone that they bring back at

558
00:34:22,360 --> 00:34:24,679
you know, they Clay Thompson him, They're like, what are you making

559
00:34:24,679 --> 00:34:29,119
this year cool? Half of that
next year and going forward to do that,

560
00:34:29,519 --> 00:34:32,199
and and like, I think Hayward
is someone that probably is like itching

561
00:34:32,400 --> 00:34:37,599
to play winning basketball because it's been
a minute, so I could see him,

562
00:34:38,599 --> 00:34:45,039
I could see him fitting perfectly.
I just I love getting him onto

563
00:34:45,079 --> 00:34:47,760
this team specifically because I think if
you just view him as, like we

564
00:34:47,800 --> 00:34:52,400
don't believe Josh Getty's a long term
piece at least for this year, Hayward

565
00:34:52,400 --> 00:34:55,159
can eat into some of his minutes
and just give us more all around play

566
00:34:55,239 --> 00:34:59,719
than we're getting from from Giddy.
So like and like the Meetchich piece of

567
00:34:59,760 --> 00:35:02,159
it. Yeah, like we both
like him by the way, he was

568
00:35:02,199 --> 00:35:07,039
like really galvanizing some bench units with
j Dubb. So it's Heyward. Hayward

569
00:35:07,159 --> 00:35:10,880
can be a guy that functions as
a facilitator like that is in his his

570
00:35:12,000 --> 00:35:14,599
average I'm looking, you know,
he's a he's like been a four or

571
00:35:14,679 --> 00:35:16,679
five assist guy once. He's you
know, three point six for his career.

572
00:35:16,800 --> 00:35:20,840
But he's a smart passer. I
think, you know, you lose

573
00:35:20,880 --> 00:35:25,719
some facilitation with Mechic and probably that
forces Jaylen Williams back into some a little

574
00:35:25,719 --> 00:35:30,719
bit more second unit like run the
show minutes than like maybe he should have.

575
00:35:30,760 --> 00:35:32,039
But like I'm not gonna sit here
and say, Jaalen Williams can't do

576
00:35:32,079 --> 00:35:37,119
something that's not my brand. So
I feel like Hayward that was is a

577
00:35:37,159 --> 00:35:42,719
good enough facilitator to make the Mechicic
departure like, yeah, not not my

578
00:35:42,800 --> 00:35:45,760
favorite, but like I'm not gonna
get home. And also working within OKAC

579
00:35:46,000 --> 00:35:51,760
spacing will be fascinating because it's just
like Cat changes the dynamics there. So

580
00:35:51,800 --> 00:35:53,559
even look, they're gonna be super
small if they're gonna run chet at the

581
00:35:53,559 --> 00:35:58,480
five and then it's early that's what
they've been. Yeah, so it's I'm

582
00:35:58,519 --> 00:36:00,840
all for it in that sense.
The move I actually liked better from them,

583
00:36:00,840 --> 00:36:04,079
I don't. I really don't think
there's a strong argument against it.

584
00:36:04,159 --> 00:36:07,000
By the way I just it made
it. It's a little bit like it's

585
00:36:07,039 --> 00:36:13,599
the word's not riskier. It just
doesn't feel very thundery, right, That's

586
00:36:13,679 --> 00:36:15,119
just what's weird about it. But
maybe look, maybe this is now Horford

587
00:36:15,159 --> 00:36:17,360
situation. I don't just don't know
what his lower body is like, He's

588
00:36:17,400 --> 00:36:22,559
had ankle and calf issues and all
this stuff. So I loved that they

589
00:36:22,559 --> 00:36:28,800
took advantage of the Dallas Mavericks because
they send out a pick that's gonna convey

590
00:36:28,840 --> 00:36:31,480
in the bottom seven, the bottom
five for the rights to swap in twenty

591
00:36:31,639 --> 00:36:36,760
twenty eight. And so I understand
windows aren't forever, and so okayse could

592
00:36:36,800 --> 00:36:39,280
be appreciably worse in twenty twenty eight
than they aren't twenty twenty four. At

593
00:36:39,280 --> 00:36:44,159
the same time, you could tell
me that their top two players on this

594
00:36:44,199 --> 00:36:46,199
team are not on that team in
twenty twenty eight, and the thunder is

595
00:36:46,239 --> 00:36:50,519
still gonna be better than the Mavericks
in twenty twenty eight. That's how much

596
00:36:50,559 --> 00:36:54,440
optionality they have. And so it
was just like the wording on Stein's report.

597
00:36:54,639 --> 00:36:58,639
Funny Funnily enough is that Brian to
Port and I ended up having a

598
00:36:58,679 --> 00:37:01,760
discussion about he just say like they
just already agreed to swap without the rights,

599
00:37:01,760 --> 00:37:05,480
and I'm like, I understand the
thunder can be confident, but there's

600
00:37:05,480 --> 00:37:08,360
no way you agree to just swap
right now because that would be batshit bonkers.

601
00:37:08,519 --> 00:37:12,840
I want more trades like that,
just a huge flexes like yeah,

602
00:37:12,880 --> 00:37:16,760
we'll just we'll be better than eight. So I liked I liked that piece

603
00:37:16,760 --> 00:37:20,679
of it to like get because a
lot of other teams can't. But okay,

604
00:37:20,719 --> 00:37:22,119
see has reached the point. And
it's not that they just reached it,

605
00:37:22,159 --> 00:37:27,280
they've been there. Yeah, where
they have more picks inbound imminent pigs

606
00:37:27,480 --> 00:37:31,280
than roster spots, Like I'm honestly
available, so you can do something like

607
00:37:31,320 --> 00:37:35,159
that. I loved that, And
they've already done a move like that,

608
00:37:35,199 --> 00:37:37,880
But I loved this one in particular
because I'm just looking at the Mavericks and

609
00:37:37,960 --> 00:37:40,199
I'm like, yo, even if
they kind of fortified themselves for this year

610
00:37:40,239 --> 00:37:44,800
and next year, like they're kind
of fucked long term. So I liked

611
00:37:44,840 --> 00:37:47,840
that. The Washington Element and you
got into them a little bit. Getting

612
00:37:47,840 --> 00:37:51,840
a first round pick here just for
a team that didn't have like a ton

613
00:37:51,840 --> 00:37:54,400
of extra first round equity was good. I think it's smart. Kyle Kuzma

614
00:37:54,440 --> 00:37:59,079
seems happy there, so you can
only get a one also ran first round

615
00:37:59,119 --> 00:38:01,039
pick. Kind of it's funny they
got a first round pick for the Mavericks

616
00:38:01,039 --> 00:38:06,280
and it wasn't for the player.
Everyone wanted the Mavericks to require. I

617
00:38:06,440 --> 00:38:09,199
just the only thing that I'm wondering
this is the I'll stand by, is

618
00:38:09,679 --> 00:38:14,760
maybe they're gonna resign him, Like
why not move Tigas Jones? And when

619
00:38:14,800 --> 00:38:16,000
Minnesota made that deal for Monte Morris, I was like, oh, I

620
00:38:16,000 --> 00:38:21,280
guess Tis Jones really isn't gonna go
anywhere. It seemed like they were going

621
00:38:21,280 --> 00:38:23,199
to move him for seconds too,
and so I'm surprised that they didn't do

622
00:38:23,280 --> 00:38:25,400
that. And then if he leaves
for nothing, not the end of the

623
00:38:25,440 --> 00:38:29,920
world. Like they're bad enough,
they don't need to tank Harter. That

624
00:38:30,039 --> 00:38:32,119
surprised me a little bit. But
and Daniel Gafford is good, but you

625
00:38:32,199 --> 00:38:36,000
got a first round pick for Daniel
Gafford, And look, I'm not We

626
00:38:36,119 --> 00:38:38,280
both know how I felt about Rashawn
Holmes once upon a time, Right,

627
00:38:38,639 --> 00:38:42,639
they're just like a chance. If
he's held like that, the floater comes

628
00:38:42,639 --> 00:38:45,559
back and he's just like so and
he's making basically the same money as Daniel

629
00:38:45,599 --> 00:38:50,360
Gafford. You're not trying to be
good next season anyway. I thought they

630
00:38:50,440 --> 00:38:54,400
handled this deadline mostly shrewdly. If
anything, you could probably quibble over what

631
00:38:54,519 --> 00:39:00,760
were they aggressive enough? Yeah?
How many firsts changed him? There's this

632
00:39:00,840 --> 00:39:06,159
one. There's the one we talked
about with the maps twenty twenty seven,

633
00:39:07,039 --> 00:39:08,880
was there? There was there another
one. I guess the didn't Toronto got

634
00:39:08,880 --> 00:39:14,280
one for in the the least favorable
that was once upon a time, the

635
00:39:14,639 --> 00:39:17,960
like of those picks that's headed to
Toronto or me that's headed to Utah.

636
00:39:19,079 --> 00:39:22,639
Yeah, to Utah for in the
Olymtic deal. So to see that few

637
00:39:22,679 --> 00:39:28,519
first rounders move and to see one
of them go for Daniel Gafford, like,

638
00:39:28,840 --> 00:39:32,039
that's pretty good from mid range.
Daniel Gafford, come on, Like

639
00:39:32,039 --> 00:39:36,400
he's a backup center in this in
this in this economy, Dan, we're

640
00:39:36,400 --> 00:39:38,760
getting first rounders for backup centers.
That's amazing. What a get by the

641
00:39:38,760 --> 00:39:43,360
Wizard's good job. I like I
mean, because yeah, I don't think

642
00:39:43,360 --> 00:39:46,079
Holmes is getting back to that level, but like the best version of Holmes

643
00:39:46,199 --> 00:39:50,480
was better than the current version of
Gafford, right, or at least like

644
00:39:50,800 --> 00:39:54,159
really comparable. Different type of player. Yeah, like for the and for

645
00:39:54,239 --> 00:39:58,639
the Wizards, like who cares how
good are center? Like there's just I

646
00:39:58,639 --> 00:40:01,360
mean to get first. It's with
like three first changing hands. That's unbelievable.

647
00:40:01,480 --> 00:40:05,119
The thing I will quibble over,
and it is different because there's there's

648
00:40:05,159 --> 00:40:07,440
a new coach there now, but
like they didn't do anything to kind of

649
00:40:08,400 --> 00:40:12,320
ensure that bla cool bali' uses will
be through the roof for the rest of

650
00:40:12,320 --> 00:40:14,679
the year. Yeah, they were
never gonna get rid of Jordan Poole,

651
00:40:14,760 --> 00:40:16,519
but just even having Kuzma there,
and when you look at some of the

652
00:40:16,519 --> 00:40:20,559
shots these guys take whenever in the
shot clock, I don't blame them.

653
00:40:20,559 --> 00:40:23,800
Like this team was not built to
be anything other than a meme on most

654
00:40:23,920 --> 00:40:28,400
nights, even though they have ties. That's like, this is the anti

655
00:40:28,480 --> 00:40:31,400
Tias Jones team, who's just like
this very measured offensive organizer. And the

656
00:40:31,400 --> 00:40:36,679
Wizards are just like anarchic and play
sometimes like they don't give an f h.

657
00:40:36,760 --> 00:40:38,800
But I thought it was a solid
deadline from them. Might be tempt

658
00:40:38,880 --> 00:40:43,039
They got a first round pick,
and you can say that they didn't move

659
00:40:43,159 --> 00:40:45,280
Tias Jones or Kyle Kuzma and they
still got a first round pick. Yeah,

660
00:40:45,360 --> 00:40:50,360
I have to assume they're gonna try
to re sign Tias Jones because otherwise

661
00:40:50,920 --> 00:40:52,480
gets brought out, which would be
you know that that there are a lot

662
00:40:52,480 --> 00:40:54,760
of teams that be interested in him. But yeah, I would be with

663
00:40:54,800 --> 00:40:59,960
you on that. You did mention
the Raptors should we go to the Jazz

664
00:41:00,280 --> 00:41:04,440
Raptors stuff? Yeah, so,
uh, you can correct me if I'm

665
00:41:04,519 --> 00:41:08,239
if I'm wrong here, but the
Jazz get Auto Porter Junior kyra lewis uh

666
00:41:08,360 --> 00:41:15,079
the worst of Okay, see the
Clippers Houston and their own twenty twenty four

667
00:41:15,159 --> 00:41:20,280
first, do I have that right
for Kelly O Linok and o chaiag Baji,

668
00:41:20,280 --> 00:41:23,840
which, like you know, I
think that's how you understand it from

669
00:41:23,920 --> 00:41:28,320
the Raptor side, is there like
we're getting the number fourteen pick in a

670
00:41:28,360 --> 00:41:31,920
recent draft who has shown some flashes, uh, but you know is not

671
00:41:32,000 --> 00:41:35,559
the type of player Utah needs because
he's just not big enough to be that

672
00:41:35,639 --> 00:41:39,199
big wing that they need for like
a really bad twenty four first, right,

673
00:41:39,280 --> 00:41:44,400
like so that like that made me
like, all right, Toronto,

674
00:41:44,440 --> 00:41:46,480
we're kind of I could see.
I get it like a linic helps now

675
00:41:46,519 --> 00:41:50,599
and you probably want to resign him
if you could get him back at first,

676
00:41:50,599 --> 00:41:52,199
so you better well yeah, that's
well, yeah, you know when

677
00:41:52,280 --> 00:41:55,440
Toronto get somebody and they gave up
a first, they re signed that guy,

678
00:41:55,559 --> 00:42:00,440
especially via the Center because that's the
girdle treatment, that's where that's their

679
00:42:00,559 --> 00:42:05,840
mo. Who do you? I
guess I I think I liked that better

680
00:42:05,880 --> 00:42:07,880
for Toronto, so did I and
a lot of people did not. I

681
00:42:07,920 --> 00:42:10,480
saw John Hollinger, really smart guy, did not like it. There are

682
00:42:10,519 --> 00:42:13,519
a lot of other people like what
are they doing giving up a first?

683
00:42:13,559 --> 00:42:15,280
So I have a few different ways
to frame it. And if you're not

684
00:42:15,320 --> 00:42:20,039
gonna resign Kelly olinok, I will
admit this change is the calculus of the

685
00:42:20,079 --> 00:42:24,840
deal. Sure quite a bit.
But everyone's one up in arms about this

686
00:42:24,960 --> 00:42:29,000
draft not being good. I don't
know nearly enough about it to buy into

687
00:42:29,000 --> 00:42:32,159
it or not. You gave up
a bottom five pick for o chaiak Baji,

688
00:42:32,199 --> 00:42:36,320
where Utah knows more about him than
you do. That also wasn't Utah's

689
00:42:36,320 --> 00:42:37,480
pick. They got him in the
Donovan Mitchell deal, which was just kind

690
00:42:37,480 --> 00:42:42,679
of like, ooh, a number
fourteen pick. Last year he showed glimpses

691
00:42:43,119 --> 00:42:46,280
of shot making and like try hard
defense, like at the wingspots, So

692
00:42:46,440 --> 00:42:49,880
maybe you can get some of that
back as Toronto, and like between him

693
00:42:49,880 --> 00:42:53,440
and Grady Dick, just have the
flyers on shooting. Kelly Olinick is having

694
00:42:53,480 --> 00:42:58,920
it like Kelly Olinok has probably being
one of Utah's too, Like there's lowry

695
00:42:59,000 --> 00:43:01,800
marketing in and then you could probably
argue over who is UTA's second most valuable

696
00:43:01,800 --> 00:43:07,159
player after that, between Jordan Clarks
and Walker Kessler collin zext like it goes

697
00:43:07,199 --> 00:43:10,440
a bunch of different spots. But
his passing, like I'm not that about

698
00:43:10,480 --> 00:43:15,639
just facilitating from a standstill. This
is like dude has thrown live dribbled dimes

699
00:43:15,000 --> 00:43:17,719
this year and he stretches the floor. So if you wanted to, I'm

700
00:43:17,760 --> 00:43:22,000
not necessarily advocating, you could play
him in Yaka pertl together. And also

701
00:43:22,360 --> 00:43:27,079
if you're Toronto, like let's not
forget and I'm not, I honestly don't

702
00:43:27,159 --> 00:43:30,039
understand why there's an argument against this. So there has to be differences of

703
00:43:30,119 --> 00:43:32,800
opinion you want your pick to convey
this year. If the draft is supposed

704
00:43:32,840 --> 00:43:36,480
to be that bad, hey,
guess what, you also own the number

705
00:43:36,480 --> 00:43:38,559
thirty one pick right now or whatever
it ends up being. So what's the

706
00:43:38,599 --> 00:43:43,079
difference between having number twenty seven and
number thirty one or thirty three in this

707
00:43:43,199 --> 00:43:45,320
draft? Look at it that way. I can't imagine it's that big of

708
00:43:45,360 --> 00:43:50,280
a difference. So let the pick
convey you've gotten better. And you know

709
00:43:50,320 --> 00:43:52,800
the Bulls and Hawks don't really make
any moves, So does that Does that

710
00:43:52,880 --> 00:43:55,320
hurt your chances of reaching the plane? Okay, fine, but like you

711
00:43:55,320 --> 00:43:59,760
at least ensure the pick conveys you
get someone who's easy to fit a flyer

712
00:43:59,760 --> 00:44:01,960
on a BAJI and it just costs
you a pick that I don't think was

713
00:44:02,000 --> 00:44:06,159
super valuable. So I definitely liked
this better for them. And the other

714
00:44:06,239 --> 00:44:09,000
thing you did is we could tell
like, so you get Spencer Dinwiddy from

715
00:44:09,000 --> 00:44:13,679
the nets, And when I started
analyzing this, I said, look,

716
00:44:13,719 --> 00:44:16,280
the peak version of Spencer Dinwoody is
a much better perimeter shot creater than Den

717
00:44:16,679 --> 00:44:21,159
Dennis Shruder. And I don't know
if Toronto will ever get that. They're

718
00:44:21,199 --> 00:44:23,280
not gonna get that because they waved
them. So they're gonna wave him because

719
00:44:23,280 --> 00:44:27,599
of his contract incentives. But since
you got Dennis Shruter was not a bad

720
00:44:27,599 --> 00:44:30,400
deal you sent out him and that
young for Spencer Dinwiddie, he was not

721
00:44:30,440 --> 00:44:34,440
a bad deal. But by clearing
his money from the books, you now

722
00:44:34,480 --> 00:44:37,639
have a pathway to carrying a manual
quickly's cap hold and if you really want

723
00:44:37,679 --> 00:44:42,639
to, you can have forty plus
million dollars in cap space. Now this

724
00:44:42,679 --> 00:44:45,480
doesn't include the Olytic cap hole.
But if you resign a Linux to a

725
00:44:45,519 --> 00:44:49,800
deal that is comparable to what he's
making now, which is what is he

726
00:44:49,840 --> 00:44:52,400
at twelve million about? Too?
Yeah, yeah, twelve two, you're

727
00:44:52,400 --> 00:44:55,239
still working with twenty five plus million
in cap space, which I don't know

728
00:44:55,280 --> 00:44:59,400
who that gets you in this market, but it certainly helps you for trades.

729
00:45:00,159 --> 00:45:01,920
So I don't know that I'm in
love with their deadline, but for

730
00:45:02,000 --> 00:45:06,280
a team that like they tore it, they like they're doing, I guess

731
00:45:06,280 --> 00:45:08,760
a soft reset because they've We've seen
them first round picks, We've seen them

732
00:45:08,760 --> 00:45:14,360
prioritize players over picks, we've seen
them accept purely draft equity basically for Pascal

733
00:45:14,400 --> 00:45:16,679
Siakam, there's still the element of
Okay, well what direction are we going

734
00:45:16,679 --> 00:45:21,360
in here? But I do think
they've just made themselves more pliable and able

735
00:45:21,400 --> 00:45:23,320
to react on the fly. Yeah, I think that's right. It's so

736
00:45:23,840 --> 00:45:30,199
also because this is the jazz and
I think because we regard them and really

737
00:45:30,280 --> 00:45:32,719
Danny Ainge as like these guys know
what they're doing. It makes me always

738
00:45:32,719 --> 00:45:37,239
think, like I wonder what Utah
is up to, Like what why did

739
00:45:37,360 --> 00:45:40,239
Utah do? Like is it because
can they really value that twenty four first

740
00:45:40,239 --> 00:45:43,719
that, like you said, is
gonna be bottom five? That highly Oh

741
00:45:43,760 --> 00:45:45,440
you have a you have a thought? Well what if they think? I

742
00:45:45,480 --> 00:45:49,880
mean, I don't think they believe
this, but a few people have made

743
00:45:49,880 --> 00:45:53,000
this point. Where aside from Larry
market In, who's the guy you could

744
00:45:53,159 --> 00:45:57,599
rip from the Utah rotation that's actually
going to crater it, I think you

745
00:45:57,599 --> 00:46:00,519
can make a case that maybe it's
Kelly Olnik, but it's but like when

746
00:46:00,519 --> 00:46:04,960
you see Simoni Fontacio Kelly leaving,
it's all right, well is that inking

747
00:46:05,119 --> 00:46:08,719
argument? Is this what I'm saying? They owe their pick to Okac?

748
00:46:09,440 --> 00:46:14,760
It could it's top ten protected,
it could convey and so now you you

749
00:46:14,760 --> 00:46:16,880
ad don't have a twenty twenty four
first round pick, now you do.

750
00:46:17,239 --> 00:46:21,599
Maybe they're looking at it from that
perspective. Yeah, that's interesting. I

751
00:46:22,039 --> 00:46:23,840
still even trying to be charitable to
the Jazz. I still just like this

752
00:46:24,000 --> 00:46:29,199
for Toronto because I think it were
you surprised that, like there wasn't more

753
00:46:29,920 --> 00:46:31,320
on the Jazzes, But what did
you think of I thought the return on

754
00:46:31,320 --> 00:46:36,760
Simonne Fontacio was fine. Yeah,
picked in the thirties. I mean I

755
00:46:36,760 --> 00:46:40,079
think so you take the Jazz and
uh, I think you look at I

756
00:46:40,199 --> 00:46:43,679
just was just thinking of another team
that didn't do anything. I mean,

757
00:46:43,719 --> 00:46:46,079
the bulls are the bulls are a
separate issue. Well, the King's helping

758
00:46:46,280 --> 00:46:50,719
facilitate the Robin Lopez do well take
Washington too, like there are there are

759
00:46:50,760 --> 00:46:53,360
just certain teams that like, huh, that's all because you know you look

760
00:46:53,400 --> 00:46:58,119
at youd think like Utah could move, Like you said, there's nobody that

761
00:46:58,119 --> 00:47:00,000
you're going to take off of there
really and crater it so like you could

762
00:47:00,039 --> 00:47:06,079
have looked to trade Clarkson Sexton even
like Chris Done although I would just want

763
00:47:06,119 --> 00:47:08,440
to keep Chris Done around just because
he's maybe the best defensive guard in the

764
00:47:08,519 --> 00:47:12,800
league. To watch him the other
night against the Thunder that was unbelievable,

765
00:47:14,400 --> 00:47:17,360
and like Washington still, Kuzma still
there, Tyas Jones still there. I

766
00:47:17,480 --> 00:47:22,440
think that probably just means like nobody
was thrown first around, and like we

767
00:47:22,559 --> 00:47:25,480
just talked about, like only three
changed hands, and none of them are

768
00:47:25,519 --> 00:47:30,199
like great other than that twenty twenty
seven Dallas one. So like I think

769
00:47:30,559 --> 00:47:32,519
I think it just suggests to me
that and then we kind of suspected this

770
00:47:32,639 --> 00:47:37,400
that like nobody's really eager to just
like kick first round picks out the door

771
00:47:37,559 --> 00:47:42,079
anymore, and so these middling guys
were in the past, like you might

772
00:47:42,119 --> 00:47:44,840
have been able to get a first
for Sexton, right given his youth,

773
00:47:44,880 --> 00:47:46,920
given his scoring, given how he's
played the last like you know, however

774
00:47:47,000 --> 00:47:51,039
many weeks it's been now that he's
played really well, and that's just not

775
00:47:51,119 --> 00:47:53,000
the case anymore. So I think
that if you're looking for, like what

776
00:47:53,039 --> 00:47:57,199
are the themes of this deadline,
I think it might be as we look

777
00:47:57,239 --> 00:48:00,639
back on it, like it's just
not that easy to probably like real firsts

778
00:48:00,679 --> 00:48:05,159
out of teams anymore when the teams
that are willing to trade them can't.

779
00:48:05,599 --> 00:48:07,599
Yeah, that helps too, Like, well, they're just looking at I

780
00:48:07,639 --> 00:48:12,119
mean the restrictions. Really, you
know, we haven't even got fully into

781
00:48:12,119 --> 00:48:15,880
the new CBA environment yet, but
like there's seven contenders that can't sign anybody

782
00:48:16,039 --> 00:48:20,039
out on the buyout market that made
more than the mid level. So like

783
00:48:20,079 --> 00:48:22,599
there, what's the point of them
in, you know, finagling on the

784
00:48:22,639 --> 00:48:27,840
margins to try to clear buyout money. Is there's just like and the restrictions

785
00:48:27,880 --> 00:48:30,119
going forward, just general team building
stuff. I think first rounders might become

786
00:48:30,119 --> 00:48:35,360
more valuable because as it gets harder
and harder to you know, swing big

787
00:48:35,400 --> 00:48:38,199
trades and aggregate salaries for certain teams
and take in more than you send out

788
00:48:38,239 --> 00:48:42,440
and all this other stuff. Like
maybe the value of just let's draft this

789
00:48:42,519 --> 00:48:45,400
guy with a first round pick that
we own and develop him and then pay

790
00:48:45,480 --> 00:48:50,920
him to scale, Like maybe that
just becomes a more valuable roster building tool

791
00:48:50,960 --> 00:48:52,840
as we get into the new CBA. I don't know, that's just speculation

792
00:48:52,960 --> 00:48:58,559
based on the dearth of first that
we saw move this this deadline, Well,

793
00:48:58,880 --> 00:49:01,360
this would reinforce your pointot too,
is that and the decision might have

794
00:49:01,360 --> 00:49:05,079
been made for the sixers. But
look at the Mavericks and the Lakers is

795
00:49:05,159 --> 00:49:07,159
kind of the good parallels where it's
the MAVs move their only chip, this

796
00:49:07,199 --> 00:49:10,320
is what they get. The Lakers
probably could have had de Jonte Murray,

797
00:49:10,800 --> 00:49:14,159
and it seems like they've decided,
no, we're gonna I mean, Dangel

798
00:49:14,199 --> 00:49:16,000
Russell's playing better the past few weeks, so that helps. But they might

799
00:49:16,039 --> 00:49:20,239
have actively decided, well, we
get to trade three first round picks on

800
00:49:20,280 --> 00:49:22,039
top of three swaps this summer,
so maybe teams are also their valuing first

801
00:49:22,079 --> 00:49:25,679
round picks and that the Sixers two. Again, the Mbat injury complicates that,

802
00:49:27,079 --> 00:49:30,119
but it's, oh, we can
trade five now instead of like three,

803
00:49:30,159 --> 00:49:32,199
and like one of them is all
one of the five or the three

804
00:49:32,239 --> 00:49:37,119
is gonna be like super complicated.
Anyway, I'm wondering if that adds to

805
00:49:37,159 --> 00:49:39,320
the value. I will start moving
us along a little bit quicker, since

806
00:49:39,360 --> 00:49:43,880
it feels like there's a bunch of
teams just gonna need to hit the Pacers

807
00:49:43,960 --> 00:49:46,079
and we had a comment about them. Pacers got me scratching my head from

808
00:49:46,239 --> 00:49:52,840
from PDPT. I I'm kind of
with him. My whole thing was,

809
00:49:52,440 --> 00:49:59,159
okay, if Buddy Field was gonna
leave, I get it, but like

810
00:49:59,239 --> 00:50:02,119
he was so like the gravity and
you're pulling, and like Doug McDermott doesn't

811
00:50:02,119 --> 00:50:06,880
do that, like not what Buddy
Heal did, and and the other thing

812
00:50:06,920 --> 00:50:09,079
I was gonna say, yes,
if he's gonna leave, capitalize him on

813
00:50:09,119 --> 00:50:12,800
what you could you had three seconds? Those are you know, those are

814
00:50:12,840 --> 00:50:15,880
sweeteners or those are players you could
take stabs at. You have Ben mcmather,

815
00:50:15,000 --> 00:50:17,880
and you have Ben Sheppard, you
have Andrew Nemhard, who we should

816
00:50:17,880 --> 00:50:22,639
see just his minutes tick up in
general now I would imagine, but it

817
00:50:22,760 --> 00:50:25,360
is sort of weird just because they're
a team that just traded three first round

818
00:50:25,360 --> 00:50:29,440
picks in theory, well not in
theory, but they trade three first round

819
00:50:29,440 --> 00:50:31,760
picks to get Pascal Siakam, so
you would expect them to be more invested

820
00:50:31,760 --> 00:50:37,079
in the now where it's just look
at this in a vacuum, like if

821
00:50:37,119 --> 00:50:39,119
you could, do you prefer to
have Buddy Heel for the rest of this

822
00:50:39,199 --> 00:50:44,199
season knowing he just leaves, but
also maybe we could have worked to signing

823
00:50:44,199 --> 00:50:46,400
trade from them, but knowing he
just leaves, or would you rather have

824
00:50:46,480 --> 00:50:50,880
these three seconds? And I guess
Doug McDermott is how I'm viewing this and

825
00:50:50,920 --> 00:50:53,800
I might prefer to have but I
don't think they're a loser. I kind

826
00:50:53,840 --> 00:50:57,599
of understand it, and it's not
like this team will want for offense,

827
00:50:57,639 --> 00:51:00,239
but I actually kind of found myself
wondering they just not. I think it's

828
00:51:00,280 --> 00:51:04,159
smart to say they definitely treat this
as like, well, this is not

829
00:51:04,239 --> 00:51:07,920
our year, even though we traded
for Siakam integrating him mid season. But

830
00:51:07,119 --> 00:51:10,320
I was almost wondering, like,
Okay, is it just is it part

831
00:51:10,320 --> 00:51:14,239
of the Well, it's hard to
integrate these guys mid season. Also,

832
00:51:14,280 --> 00:51:17,440
do we not trust the Tyrese Halburton
hamstring stuff? That's almost my read on

833
00:51:17,519 --> 00:51:22,079
it. But there's also this is
their their biggest defense of all. But

834
00:51:22,239 --> 00:51:25,039
he'll requested a trade over the offseason, and so it's like if he was

835
00:51:25,119 --> 00:51:30,360
just gonna leave, I understand trying
to capitalize on his value while you could.

836
00:51:30,800 --> 00:51:34,719
Yeah, and they didn't. They
failed in extension negotiations. So like

837
00:51:34,960 --> 00:51:38,480
whatever Buddy Heal's camp wants, I
think it's pretty clear that Pacers don't want

838
00:51:38,480 --> 00:51:42,400
to pay, so, like I
do think it's a fair assumption to say

839
00:51:42,480 --> 00:51:46,599
they were gonna lose him for nothing. That doesn't like that doesn't excuse this

840
00:51:46,760 --> 00:51:52,199
idea that you're like talking about of
Like, the Pacers are good, and

841
00:51:52,239 --> 00:51:54,760
Buddy Held plays a lot and he
matters. He's like he's a great shooter.

842
00:51:55,079 --> 00:51:59,559
I will say, like his numbers
are down. He's getting up fewer

843
00:51:59,599 --> 00:52:01,719
attempts for thirty six minutes from deep
than he has since like eighteen nineteen.

844
00:52:02,199 --> 00:52:06,519
He's not at forty percent from deep, He's averaging twelve a game. Those

845
00:52:06,559 --> 00:52:08,920
are all like you know, lows
for quite a while. And I just

846
00:52:08,960 --> 00:52:14,880
wonder if, like the six the
Pacers, sorry, kind of look at

847
00:52:14,880 --> 00:52:19,199
the makeup of the roster and say, because all these moves happen in conjunction

848
00:52:19,280 --> 00:52:21,960
with each other, we think we
get we can get Doug McDermott cheap.

849
00:52:22,480 --> 00:52:24,880
We think the drop off exists from
Buddy Heel to Doug McDermott as far as

850
00:52:24,920 --> 00:52:29,719
what we need, It's not gonna
be enormous given Buddy Heeld's giving him twelve

851
00:52:29,719 --> 00:52:31,920
a game and whatever, And like
you can make the case that McDermott still

852
00:52:32,320 --> 00:52:36,199
is like more valuable as an off
ball cutter and a guy that can kind

853
00:52:36,199 --> 00:52:38,880
of like move around inside the arc
a little better than Heal does and we

854
00:52:38,920 --> 00:52:45,039
get these three seconds. And then
also, Doug McDermott's a very good cutter.

855
00:52:45,280 --> 00:52:46,159
Listen, I'm not saying no,
I'm gonna say he's a bad cutter.

856
00:52:46,199 --> 00:52:52,079
I'm just saying the like he's maybe
he hasn't played enough in San Antonio

857
00:52:52,119 --> 00:52:54,280
fore t like watching what Buddy Heal
kind of does to defenses. I just

858
00:52:54,800 --> 00:52:59,039
Doug mcdermot's having to do that.
Here's the bigger point, though, if

859
00:52:59,079 --> 00:53:02,199
you're the Pacers moving Healed for McDermott, I assu McDermott's gonna play less than

860
00:53:02,199 --> 00:53:05,840
Heal did, even though Healed I
don't have the pull up. Is I

861
00:53:05,840 --> 00:53:07,960
have his minutes here? You don't
think Dougy dermots gonna get some run at

862
00:53:07,960 --> 00:53:14,039
the two under just under twenty six
minutes a game for Healed. I think

863
00:53:14,079 --> 00:53:20,280
maybe if this opens up more for
the more Kneesmith Nimhard minutes, both of

864
00:53:20,280 --> 00:53:23,039
them are just better defenders than Healed. This is still the Pacers are still

865
00:53:23,079 --> 00:53:25,920
a team. Even posts Siakam that
like, if there's a problem, it's

866
00:53:25,920 --> 00:53:29,920
on defense, it's not offense.
I think if Halliburton is healthy, this

867
00:53:29,960 --> 00:53:31,960
offense is gonna be awesome. I
don't really care who else is around him

868
00:53:32,000 --> 00:53:36,679
on the floor. And so like, if moving Healed for value now because

869
00:53:36,719 --> 00:53:38,199
you know you're gonna lose him,
means you get a little better in terms

870
00:53:38,239 --> 00:53:42,840
of like apportioning minutes the guys that
are gonna be more defense focused than Healed,

871
00:53:42,840 --> 00:53:45,920
which is like literally everybody. I
think, like the drop off is

872
00:53:45,960 --> 00:53:50,480
not massive, and so you should
maybe just get the meager assets you can,

873
00:53:50,719 --> 00:53:52,599
Like three seconds, I mean two
of them in twenty twenty nine,

874
00:53:53,000 --> 00:53:55,400
not so bad, Like that's that's
fine. I just think it. I

875
00:53:55,400 --> 00:54:00,679
think it's probably as much as anything. The Pacers decided they could offset the

876
00:54:00,719 --> 00:54:04,599
loss of Healed to some degree with
McDermott, and they're gonna give more minutes

877
00:54:04,599 --> 00:54:07,679
to guys that defend and so like, and that's just what the team needs,

878
00:54:07,719 --> 00:54:09,880
is more guys on the floor who
can defend around Haliburton. So I

879
00:54:09,920 --> 00:54:15,039
don't know. I it does seem
weird though, because Healed mattered to a

880
00:54:15,079 --> 00:54:17,280
team that is trying to win,
you know, this year. I guess

881
00:54:17,320 --> 00:54:21,199
like the Pacers are kind of gonna
have it both ways because they're young.

882
00:54:21,239 --> 00:54:23,119
But like, on its face,
it's weird. It doesn't really bother me

883
00:54:23,159 --> 00:54:29,440
that much if you sort of look
at the holistic view of their deadline activity.

884
00:54:29,559 --> 00:54:34,960
Another one of my siren songs,
the Phoenix Suns getting Royce O'Neill without

885
00:54:35,000 --> 00:54:37,320
giving up either one of their two
I guess you could say three best if

886
00:54:37,320 --> 00:54:40,480
you want to include Nurkicen there,
but any one of their best salary matching

887
00:54:40,519 --> 00:54:45,760
tools. They just step ladder their
way with minimums to Royce O'Neill cost you

888
00:54:45,800 --> 00:54:49,480
three seconds. I still don't have
clarification on those. I'm assuming at least

889
00:54:49,480 --> 00:54:52,920
one of them they have those two
Memphis seconds in twenty eight and twenty nine,

890
00:54:52,320 --> 00:54:57,159
those are gonna be going out.
I can't bring myself to care about

891
00:54:57,199 --> 00:54:59,199
those. I know that we kind
of belabor we do need to get to

892
00:54:59,199 --> 00:55:00,840
the Pistons after this. I promise
Piston's fans, if you're still listening,

893
00:55:00,880 --> 00:55:05,199
I apologize you did so much.
Uh. I know he just belabored kind

894
00:55:05,239 --> 00:55:07,280
of the Pistons giving me up one
for Simony fun tak yell. But like

895
00:55:07,360 --> 00:55:12,039
the Suns are in this now,
and there's a chance I wouldn't necessarily predict

896
00:55:12,079 --> 00:55:15,000
it. Royce O'Neil, he's smaller, he's slower than he was a couple

897
00:55:15,039 --> 00:55:17,119
of years ago, but like,
this is someone who will hit threes and

898
00:55:17,199 --> 00:55:22,840
he can't guard like the startiest point
of attack guards anymore, but like he

899
00:55:22,880 --> 00:55:25,079
can be moved around the two,
the three, the four against a lot

900
00:55:25,079 --> 00:55:30,039
of matchups just based off him being
a player that you can say, we

901
00:55:30,159 --> 00:55:31,960
know what we're gonna get from him, and there's a chance that he's a

902
00:55:31,960 --> 00:55:36,679
net positive on both ends of the
floor. It's not unreasonable to say that

903
00:55:36,760 --> 00:55:38,920
he could become their fifth most important
player for the rest of the year.

904
00:55:39,440 --> 00:55:44,199
I think he's like the logical choice
to close now, like we thought it

905
00:55:44,280 --> 00:55:47,320
was gonna be KBD. People thought
maybe Gordon Watson Abby, Like there's a

906
00:55:47,360 --> 00:55:52,079
lot of options, I guess,
but like like Allen, the guy,

907
00:55:52,719 --> 00:55:55,559
Grayson Allen's been playing so well that
I know they can't shoot in fourth quarters.

908
00:55:57,079 --> 00:55:59,880
I just wonder, like that's just
where I go, because we know

909
00:56:00,360 --> 00:56:01,599
Beal and Durant are going to close, and then if you want to play

910
00:56:01,599 --> 00:56:05,480
O'Neill and Allen, then you're saying
KD at the five, which I guess

911
00:56:05,840 --> 00:56:08,400
is fine. And like Phoenix didn't
do anything to address the backup big situation

912
00:56:08,480 --> 00:56:12,599
of anything they're they got rid of
Metu, so they're like sort of less

913
00:56:12,599 --> 00:56:15,440
equipped to handle it. Drew Eubanks
has been not great this season. He's

914
00:56:15,480 --> 00:56:19,880
been a little bit better lately,
but he's been not great overall. I

915
00:56:20,039 --> 00:56:22,159
love like And by the way,
this is a guy that they could just

916
00:56:22,480 --> 00:56:25,199
keep beyond this year too, because
they have his bird rights and now you

917
00:56:25,239 --> 00:56:28,320
have a number. We talk a
lot about, well, if you sign

918
00:56:28,360 --> 00:56:30,159
Grace and Allen, if you extend
him, you can move him at a

919
00:56:30,199 --> 00:56:31,719
higher number. It's like, as
long as you don't give Royce O'Neill like

920
00:56:31,760 --> 00:56:36,119
an absurd amount of money, that's
still the archetype of player that team's like,

921
00:56:36,159 --> 00:56:37,960
yeah, we don't have him on
out our books for like another year

922
00:56:37,039 --> 00:56:39,920
or two. We don't care.
Sure, yeah, absolutely, he's just

923
00:56:40,000 --> 00:56:44,960
like the ideal I mean, the
ideal role playing fit for Phoenix would be

924
00:56:45,000 --> 00:56:46,880
like twenty six year old Royce O'Neill
and not thirty year old Royce O'Neil.

925
00:56:46,920 --> 00:56:51,000
But like, given what they had
to trade and what they didn't trade to

926
00:56:51,000 --> 00:56:52,880
get this done, which is kind
of amazing, Like that's that's a huge

927
00:56:52,880 --> 00:56:55,360
win for them. I don't know
what value that has. By the way,

928
00:56:55,400 --> 00:56:58,639
moving forward, to where it's like
do you just view that no,

929
00:56:58,760 --> 00:57:00,800
sole because you can't agg this season, they can't aggregate, so like this

930
00:57:01,000 --> 00:57:05,079
was taking advantage of that rule where
it's one hundred and ten percent of the

931
00:57:05,119 --> 00:57:07,599
money could come back, we can
aggregate, and like you can't do that.

932
00:57:07,639 --> 00:57:12,960
So the nas little does in theory
as an expiring contract making what is

933
00:57:13,000 --> 00:57:15,360
he at like seven million next year
or whatever it is as contract pays him,

934
00:57:15,400 --> 00:57:21,480
he's at uh six point eight,
Like just as a standalone number,

935
00:57:21,480 --> 00:57:23,840
that's that's more valuable because you can't
step out of your way like you just

936
00:57:23,920 --> 00:57:29,280
did. So I have no notes. I thought it was an eleven to

937
00:57:29,400 --> 00:57:31,360
ten move for them. Okay,
yeah, I like it. I mean

938
00:57:31,400 --> 00:57:34,719
I guess yeah, it's a great
move. I don't know if it's my

939
00:57:34,800 --> 00:57:37,320
favorite, but considering yeah, we
would just I'm just we found out it's

940
00:57:37,360 --> 00:57:39,800
like they only I think they only
had four seconds to trade, and if

941
00:57:39,800 --> 00:57:43,239
it's just the three of the best
four seconds, then it's like, what

942
00:57:43,320 --> 00:57:46,559
is salary matching matter when you fucking
trade anything. I want to see a

943
00:57:46,599 --> 00:57:51,119
team get to a point where they
have no draft picks to trade whatsoever.

944
00:57:51,440 --> 00:57:54,000
It will be the as Zach Low
says the horcucks it. They'll start swapping

945
00:57:54,039 --> 00:57:59,360
the swaps that they've already swapped with
three other swaps twice removed from that last

946
00:57:59,360 --> 00:58:02,320
swap. Right, you get you
get a you get a you get if

947
00:58:02,320 --> 00:58:07,480
it falls between forty one and forty
six in the second round of twenty twenty

948
00:58:07,480 --> 00:58:09,119
twenty nine, you get it.
Otherwise it goes to these five yeah.

949
00:58:09,159 --> 00:58:12,960
People in the Chatapornty out to the
Pacers also traded seconds. I do not

950
00:58:13,119 --> 00:58:15,920
care. One of them was definitely
fakes like we're not gonna cover like that

951
00:58:15,960 --> 00:58:17,320
stuff as we don't need to cover
like that. That's for the one of

952
00:58:17,360 --> 00:58:21,920
the top fifty five protected picks for
the Corey Joseph one. They didn't give

953
00:58:21,960 --> 00:58:24,239
up actual value for Corey Joseph just
to wave them. The Warriors just paid.

954
00:58:24,320 --> 00:58:28,360
I think I saw the Warriors paid
five point eight million in cash to

955
00:58:28,400 --> 00:58:30,760
get them. That much cash is
the most they could give, and but

956
00:58:30,800 --> 00:58:34,719
it's gonna save them like twelve So
it's just like, of course you do

957
00:58:34,800 --> 00:58:37,400
that. It's just because well,
the tax implications for them. They're probably

958
00:58:37,400 --> 00:58:40,119
a team we need to get to
as to should they have made moves or

959
00:58:40,159 --> 00:58:44,639
could they have? But I think
is there we got to do some other

960
00:58:44,639 --> 00:58:46,800
teams before we get to the Wood. It should is like we got to

961
00:58:46,840 --> 00:58:50,719
talk Chicago. We should probably talk
Warriors. I'm trying to think who else,

962
00:58:50,800 --> 00:58:53,159
but like so the Wood would a
teams I'm talking about, do we

963
00:58:53,159 --> 00:58:57,079
have any the Piston Let's talk pistons. We know we gotta talk pistons.

964
00:58:57,280 --> 00:59:00,400
Yeah, let's just I mean moves
all they got some they have like all

965
00:59:00,519 --> 00:59:04,960
even when you factor in like the
Marvin Bagley trade. They just made all

966
00:59:05,000 --> 00:59:07,719
these moves and it was an admission. And James Edwards, the third uh

967
00:59:08,000 --> 00:59:10,920
over the Athletic, wrote a great
piece about this, like they basically admitted,

968
00:59:12,000 --> 00:59:14,320
oh fuck, we screwed up over
the summer. We should have done

969
00:59:14,360 --> 00:59:19,960
more, rather than basically yeah,
So what did you kind of make of

970
00:59:20,000 --> 00:59:23,960
their Like they finally moved by On
Bardonovich that was actually and Alec Burks,

971
00:59:23,960 --> 00:59:27,880
the two players they didn't want to
move at Monte Morris, who everyone thought

972
00:59:27,880 --> 00:59:30,519
they weren't gonna move. I don't
know how to feel about any of this

973
00:59:31,119 --> 00:59:35,840
in a vacuum, but like I
think that it was like, I mean,

974
00:59:35,920 --> 00:59:37,599
you got Grimes, who's a great
fit. I think if he's if

975
00:59:37,599 --> 00:59:42,400
he's gonna take enough threes, he's
gonna give you someone who will defend ND

976
00:59:42,480 --> 00:59:45,239
space the floor around Kate Cunningham and
Jade and Ivy. You took out some

977
00:59:45,360 --> 00:59:52,480
of the roadblocks to ensuring that Jade
and Ivy gets then like Killian Hayes gone,

978
00:59:52,880 --> 00:59:55,599
Alec Burks gone, Monte Morris who
didn't really play for them a bunch

979
00:59:55,599 --> 00:59:59,440
of season because of injuries. He's
now gone. So like you're in full

980
00:59:59,480 --> 01:00:02,440
on development and you surrounded them with
Simoni von Techio is a great shooter.

981
01:00:02,599 --> 01:00:07,400
I just questioned the value, and
you know, you go through the history

982
01:00:07,400 --> 01:00:10,559
of number thirty two or thirty three
picks, I understand what the track record

983
01:00:10,599 --> 01:00:14,360
is there. And now he has
this small cap hole and you don't have

984
01:00:14,400 --> 01:00:17,239
boy and Madonovich's again fully guaranteeing his
seal around the book, so you still

985
01:00:17,239 --> 01:00:22,119
have these cops caps based options.
He's a fit. I just it was

986
01:00:22,880 --> 01:00:25,800
there wasn't anything necessarily inconsistent. It
was refreshing, But in the long run,

987
01:00:25,880 --> 01:00:30,760
I don't necessarily know what they've advanced. I think that now they are

988
01:00:30,760 --> 01:00:35,159
more committed to developing their young talent, and they have enough complimentary shooting around

989
01:00:35,239 --> 01:00:37,360
them to where it makes you know, some of these guys were complimentary shooting,

990
01:00:37,599 --> 01:00:42,039
like Montay Morris super low volume,
prefers to operate with the ball in

991
01:00:42,079 --> 01:00:45,079
his hands. Alec Burks wants to
be on ball boy and Madonovich he doesn't

992
01:00:45,079 --> 01:00:49,280
really care so like, but Simoni
Fontekio is like this pure I'm gonna come

993
01:00:49,280 --> 01:00:51,239
in here, I'm gonna fly around, I don't need the ball in my

994
01:00:51,280 --> 01:00:53,920
hands, and I'm gonna give you
more defensively than Alec Burks or Boy and

995
01:00:54,000 --> 01:00:59,039
mcdonovich would. So I think,
I like their deadline is my roundabout way

996
01:00:59,039 --> 01:01:01,039
of getting there. I was just
curio where you landed on Detroit's deepline.

997
01:01:01,559 --> 01:01:07,440
I gotta say, I'm you know, I think you can only give them

998
01:01:07,519 --> 01:01:12,239
so much credit for sort of doing
the clean up that they should have done

999
01:01:12,360 --> 01:01:15,079
a long time ago. And I
mean, you know, like sometimes this

1000
01:01:15,199 --> 01:01:17,639
roster building plan works. Like Houston, I think is the counter example of

1001
01:01:17,679 --> 01:01:22,159
what like how you can sort of
mix in the veterans with your you know,

1002
01:01:22,239 --> 01:01:24,880
with with a bunch of young guys
and it sort of have it succeed.

1003
01:01:25,320 --> 01:01:29,199
You know, you add Fred van
Vliet and Dylan Brooks and you still

1004
01:01:29,239 --> 01:01:32,159
you're not taking anything away really from
Jalen Green or from Jabari Smith or certainly

1005
01:01:32,199 --> 01:01:37,320
not shan Gun. Detroit just sort
of did it wrong with like Bogdanovic.

1006
01:01:37,440 --> 01:01:40,920
That's probably defensible. I guess it
made sense to have him on that roster,

1007
01:01:42,280 --> 01:01:45,840
but like you know, guys like
Morris got even guys like like Burks

1008
01:01:45,840 --> 01:01:47,079
and Hayes, like you just said
it, like they they kind of got

1009
01:01:47,119 --> 01:01:52,599
things out of the way for the
players that should have been getting big developmental

1010
01:01:52,639 --> 01:01:55,599
minutes all along. And so like, yeah, the right thing, did

1011
01:01:55,599 --> 01:01:59,320
the right thing, And if you
really like Quinton Grimes, then then this

1012
01:01:59,440 --> 01:02:02,239
is even or even more you know, enthused about this. I'm not sure.

1013
01:02:02,360 --> 01:02:06,239
Like I think my knee jerk reaction
was. I'm a little disappointed that

1014
01:02:06,280 --> 01:02:09,599
they didn't get a first in giving
up Agdanovic and Burks, but like maybe

1015
01:02:09,599 --> 01:02:13,800
that just wasn't out there. You
also just spoke about how hard it was

1016
01:02:13,840 --> 01:02:15,360
to get first, and I think
I could argue, of all the type

1017
01:02:15,360 --> 01:02:20,119
of young players that were dealt,
is quite in Grihymes more likely to have

1018
01:02:20,159 --> 01:02:22,119
first round value than o Chaik Baji. I don't tell ye, I don't

1019
01:02:22,159 --> 01:02:27,119
know Yeah, maybe maybe I do
think like there there would have been some

1020
01:02:27,400 --> 01:02:31,280
justifiable thinking behind let's keep Agdanovic and
guarantee him and we go into next year

1021
01:02:31,320 --> 01:02:35,639
with a nineteen million dollars salur.
Like a whole problem with that plan.

1022
01:02:35,719 --> 01:02:37,679
I know people were up in arms
about it, but I think it's because

1023
01:02:37,679 --> 01:02:40,159
they wanted their teams to track the
off. Yeah, maybe that's it.

1024
01:02:40,400 --> 01:02:45,719
You gotta consider the source. Yeah, I don't. I don't. I

1025
01:02:45,800 --> 01:02:50,639
don't. I don't feel like super
excited about it, just because it's kind

1026
01:02:50,639 --> 01:02:52,440
of like you should have done this
a long time ago, like, you

1027
01:02:52,480 --> 01:02:55,079
know, get get all these guys
out of the way for Jade and Ivy,

1028
01:02:55,119 --> 01:02:58,960
getting you know, Killian Hayes was
just like we should probably talk about

1029
01:02:58,960 --> 01:03:01,360
that specifically. It's it's hard.
Where's that compet in the chat? I'll

1030
01:03:01,360 --> 01:03:07,239
find it. A number seven pick
that was starting most of this year started

1031
01:03:07,280 --> 01:03:09,679
like thir you know, three out
of four games that he played. Yeah,

1032
01:03:09,760 --> 01:03:14,519
because Monti Williams, Jacob Wiley Money
Williams will leave Detroit and move to

1033
01:03:14,559 --> 01:03:20,039
whatever city killing goes to. Perhaps
the guy's last defender. Uh in literally

1034
01:03:20,039 --> 01:03:22,440
doing it right now, Griffin.
Sorry, I think he put that up

1035
01:03:22,440 --> 01:03:25,400
before we started talking about him and
Fair Okay, but the Hayes thing is

1036
01:03:25,480 --> 01:03:29,760
kind of wild, Like I think
I think like the Spurs should be all

1037
01:03:29,800 --> 01:03:35,119
over, just buy the buyout market
for him Washington Charlotte, like yeah,

1038
01:03:35,360 --> 01:03:37,800
any anybody, But I like san
Antonio there just because Trey Jones is still

1039
01:03:37,800 --> 01:03:42,199
the point guard there, like no
Tias Jones. That might as well see

1040
01:03:42,239 --> 01:03:45,400
if see if Hayes has anything.
I guess what I appreciate about the Troy's

1041
01:03:45,400 --> 01:03:50,079
deadline I'm wondering if you would agree, is that I don't love it,

1042
01:03:50,320 --> 01:03:52,519
but they I don't feel like they
made any moves just for the sake of

1043
01:03:52,559 --> 01:03:57,079
making moves, Like because even the
and the smart is like so they get

1044
01:03:57,199 --> 01:03:59,719
new and again it's the second round
pick. It's coming from the Knicks.

1045
01:04:00,039 --> 01:04:01,880
But like they were able to take
on Daniel House and just get an extra

1046
01:04:01,960 --> 01:04:06,760
second round pick. Those were moves
that they weren't doing before. I think

1047
01:04:08,840 --> 01:04:12,280
it's also like I just keep finding
ways to not give the Pistons credit.

1048
01:04:13,199 --> 01:04:15,639
I think like part of the reason
that we feel I agree. I think

1049
01:04:15,679 --> 01:04:20,039
I generally agree with you. I
think part of the reason maybe Detroit didn't

1050
01:04:20,079 --> 01:04:23,559
do a bunch of dumb stuff.
Is like the option was off the table

1051
01:04:23,559 --> 01:04:27,559
because Zach Lavine had surgery, and
apparently Tobias Harris just wasn't going to be

1052
01:04:27,559 --> 01:04:29,719
traded, like because they were in
on a lot of these guys, and

1053
01:04:29,760 --> 01:04:31,679
I think if they traded for either
of them, we would be speaking very

1054
01:04:31,679 --> 01:04:36,719
differently, certainly Levine about the Pistons. So I guess I agree, like

1055
01:04:36,800 --> 01:04:41,440
you probably have to view this deadline
as a positive for them. It's just

1056
01:04:42,280 --> 01:04:46,199
like you needed almost you know,
you needed seventy percent of the season or

1057
01:04:46,199 --> 01:04:49,679
sixty percent of the season to determine
like this is what needed to happen,

1058
01:04:49,719 --> 01:04:56,880
Like you had this information in you
know, September, in July of twenty

1059
01:04:56,880 --> 01:05:00,559
twenty three. So it's hard to
get too excited for me. Three teams

1060
01:05:00,599 --> 01:05:03,360
I'd like to hit super quickly.
Let's start with Milwaukee. I think people

1061
01:05:03,440 --> 01:05:06,840
wanted them to make a bigger move
than getting Patrick Beverley and getting rid of

1062
01:05:06,880 --> 01:05:11,239
Robin Lopez. They just weren't set
up for it. And maybe they could

1063
01:05:11,239 --> 01:05:15,960
have attached Bobby Portis and the Portland
pick and Pat Content and done something,

1064
01:05:15,000 --> 01:05:17,239
but I don't know what that something. You know, they were they were

1065
01:05:17,239 --> 01:05:19,840
never gonna get PJ. Washington.
They weren't gonna get Dorian Phinie Smith or

1066
01:05:19,840 --> 01:05:25,280
anyone like that. I don't Patrick
Beverley, We're very talking about like he

1067
01:05:25,440 --> 01:05:29,760
makes sense on this roster actually more
than a campaign does. It's just do

1068
01:05:29,800 --> 01:05:32,320
you think he was worth giving up
a twenty twenty seven second round pick one

1069
01:05:32,360 --> 01:05:36,440
of your last remaining assets that you
could realistically trade. I'm not sure he

1070
01:05:36,679 --> 01:05:41,599
is in a vacuum, but I
think for a Bucks team that like both

1071
01:05:41,679 --> 01:05:44,920
externally like people like us saying like
they gotta get they gotta get a guy

1072
01:05:45,000 --> 01:05:47,760
in there and they need somebody,
and probably internally where it's like, you

1073
01:05:47,760 --> 01:05:50,840
know, just I'll just say,
like Jannis probably is like what are we

1074
01:05:50,920 --> 01:05:55,320
doing? You know we pulled the
coach lever, Like it's just just a

1075
01:05:55,360 --> 01:05:59,519
little bit of Internally, I feel
like they probably all understood, like we

1076
01:05:59,559 --> 01:06:02,840
got to do something because you know, we're we're the lowest regarded like thirty

1077
01:06:02,840 --> 01:06:08,320
and fourteen team or whatever they are
in NBA history. Nobody totally believes in

1078
01:06:08,360 --> 01:06:12,400
them. So like just from a
stylistic perspective, Beverly has his flaws.

1079
01:06:12,440 --> 01:06:15,079
He's overrated as a defender because he
fouls so much and because of his size,

1080
01:06:15,079 --> 01:06:20,039
but like just as an attitude adjustment
of like he's gonna go hard when

1081
01:06:20,039 --> 01:06:24,880
he's out there, and maybe that, along with changing from Griffin to Rivers

1082
01:06:24,920 --> 01:06:29,159
as the head coach, kind of
coaxes better consistent defensive effort out of these

1083
01:06:29,199 --> 01:06:32,719
guys. Like I totally understand that. Like it's underwhelming, but like the

1084
01:06:32,719 --> 01:06:40,000
Bucks did not have the ability to
make a whelming move let alone is as

1085
01:06:40,039 --> 01:06:43,960
whelmed as they could as they could
get. Like there just wasn't they as

1086
01:06:44,039 --> 01:06:47,719
much as almost any other team just
didn't have the assets or the ability to

1087
01:06:47,840 --> 01:06:51,480
like, like I remember seeing like
Andrew Wiggins as a Bucks target. It's

1088
01:06:51,519 --> 01:06:57,400
just like, how like Robby Murray
and yeah, stop, but we need

1089
01:06:57,400 --> 01:07:00,360
the Jill. I will just say, even when he's not good, Patrick

1090
01:07:00,400 --> 01:07:04,239
Beverley still defends the guys that they
need to defend. It might not always

1091
01:07:04,280 --> 01:07:06,719
be well, but like to have
a body where it's okay, it doesn't

1092
01:07:06,719 --> 01:07:10,960
have to be Malie Beasley and you're
still sparing Dame from it. I'm just

1093
01:07:11,000 --> 01:07:13,760
they could they should have done more. I just don't think they could have.

1094
01:07:13,800 --> 01:07:15,800
They would have been nice, Like
if that Portland pick could have gotten

1095
01:07:15,800 --> 01:07:17,199
them Chris Dunn somehow. Yes,
I would have been all over that,

1096
01:07:17,239 --> 01:07:20,280
but I'm guessing that it couldn't have, right, I agree, So what

1097
01:07:20,599 --> 01:07:25,679
else? We got two more quick
ones to hit Minnesota getting Monte Morris.

1098
01:07:25,760 --> 01:07:30,760
So I don't dislike it. I
want to make that clear, but it's

1099
01:07:30,920 --> 01:07:32,719
I thought people were kind of viewing
it as like too much of a home

1100
01:07:32,840 --> 01:07:35,800
run to where it's well, they
also needed someone who would give you some

1101
01:07:36,239 --> 01:07:41,360
shot volume or higher end three point
volume, and that's not Monte Morris's game.

1102
01:07:42,039 --> 01:07:45,880
And I just I would rather have
seen them been like if you would

1103
01:07:45,880 --> 01:07:47,039
have And I don't know if this
was on the table. I'm assuming it's

1104
01:07:47,079 --> 01:07:49,840
not because they're worried about what's gonna
happen to them in the future. Like

1105
01:07:49,880 --> 01:07:53,719
I would have traded nas Reed for
Malcolm Brogden. That's how invested in the

1106
01:07:53,840 --> 01:07:57,079
now I am. I a sued
way too, and it would have been

1107
01:07:57,320 --> 01:08:00,559
nas Reed and Anderson for Brogden basically, which I would have done. But

1108
01:08:00,639 --> 01:08:04,239
like, even why couldn't you get
Tias Jones, Like you couldn't figure out

1109
01:08:04,239 --> 01:08:06,920
a way to do that with the
seconds that you had. I would imagine

1110
01:08:06,920 --> 01:08:11,000
you could you had the twenty thirty
that you shipped out for Montey Morris.

1111
01:08:11,159 --> 01:08:14,280
It felt like they aired too much
on the side of caution and thinking that

1112
01:08:14,320 --> 01:08:17,760
they're there and that they're ready,
and their offense not just when Anthony Edwards

1113
01:08:17,840 --> 01:08:20,760
is off the court, not just
when you're not playing Mike Conley. Like

1114
01:08:20,800 --> 01:08:27,359
their offense needs help, Like there's
turnovers, there's there's like wonky clumpiness.

1115
01:08:27,399 --> 01:08:30,720
Sometimes there's Karl Anthony Towns doesn't want
to be in the corner for some reason

1116
01:08:30,960 --> 01:08:32,720
I don't like, I don't know, or they don't have him in the

1117
01:08:32,720 --> 01:08:35,359
corner enough for some reason. I
don't get it. I'm not saying trading

1118
01:08:35,399 --> 01:08:39,920
for Malcolm Brogden would have fixed that, like you needed it all of a

1119
01:08:39,960 --> 01:08:42,600
sudden, feels like they're they could, They're they're one of the best teams

1120
01:08:42,640 --> 01:08:44,560
in the league right now. We've
been pretty high on them all year,

1121
01:08:44,840 --> 01:08:49,119
but just lately it feels like they
need it, like that monte Morris wasn't

1122
01:08:49,119 --> 01:08:53,920
the move. It just felt like
it needed to be bit like even and

1123
01:08:54,000 --> 01:08:57,159
he doesn't bring as much playmaking,
but he's and he's definitely an injury risk,

1124
01:08:57,439 --> 01:09:00,479
but he has a higher ceiling you
couldn't have gotten Luke Nar from them.

1125
01:09:00,479 --> 01:09:02,359
Supply no one got Lukenard from the
Grip. They would have burned it

1126
01:09:02,399 --> 01:09:10,680
down at the deadline. I think
it's interesting that Morris simultaneously is a I

1127
01:09:10,680 --> 01:09:13,600
think a good value for what they
gave up to get him, and is

1128
01:09:13,640 --> 01:09:15,880
also the type of player that you
would say they needed, like an adult

1129
01:09:15,880 --> 01:09:19,560
in the room, backup point guard
Mike calmly insurance that kind of like doesn't

1130
01:09:19,600 --> 01:09:23,840
play like Commley, but kind of
a similar Like he's out here to make

1131
01:09:23,880 --> 01:09:28,319
open shots and facilitate, and Morris
has done that throughout his career, really

1132
01:09:28,399 --> 01:09:31,359
like since taking over a meaningful size
role I don't know, four or five

1133
01:09:31,439 --> 01:09:36,479
years ago, and you can still
criticize him for like that's it, like

1134
01:09:36,520 --> 01:09:40,800
you couldn't which is what you're saying, Like you couldn't have gotten a couple

1135
01:09:40,840 --> 01:09:44,920
more seconds out there and and and
scaled up to Jones, for example,

1136
01:09:44,960 --> 01:09:47,279
it would be the name that I
think made the most sense. But I

1137
01:09:48,039 --> 01:09:51,640
think Morris is a good get.
And I think they're not gonna miss Shake

1138
01:09:51,720 --> 01:09:56,000
Milton or Troy Brown, and that's
a distant second, and like I'm just

1139
01:09:57,159 --> 01:10:00,399
I'm not gonna I think to be
really critical of I would have to feel

1140
01:10:00,399 --> 01:10:04,680
confident that, like there was a
way for them to get Tias Jones with

1141
01:10:04,720 --> 01:10:08,039
what they had, and they just
chose not to. And I don't know

1142
01:10:08,079 --> 01:10:11,159
that you know, and and like
same with Canard, same with a lot

1143
01:10:11,159 --> 01:10:14,439
of other options. It's always hard
for me to judge what I think is

1144
01:10:14,479 --> 01:10:18,399
a pretty good acquisition against like hypothetical
better ones. But you would think that

1145
01:10:18,520 --> 01:10:21,880
you would think that they could have
figured out a way to get someone better

1146
01:10:21,920 --> 01:10:25,199
than Morris. I just think he
makes sense as a fit to me.

1147
01:10:25,239 --> 01:10:27,479
I can't get too upset about it. Well, I mean the low turnover

1148
01:10:27,560 --> 01:10:31,000
stuff for sure, just like Gay
low key big turnover problems for the Wolves,

1149
01:10:31,279 --> 01:10:35,239
Uh, not so low key.
And if it came off this way,

1150
01:10:35,279 --> 01:10:38,760
I'm not criticizing the move which is
a good fit. I think it

1151
01:10:38,800 --> 01:10:41,840
was just over sold, is the
answer. But yeah, yeah, to

1152
01:10:41,960 --> 01:10:45,960
your point, because I was just
guilty of that. Teams are not and

1153
01:10:45,960 --> 01:10:46,920
we lose sight of this. I
try and keep it in mind when I'm

1154
01:10:46,920 --> 01:10:49,680
grading these things live and it gets
a little hard. You're off the cuff

1155
01:10:49,720 --> 01:10:56,520
reaction. Teams are not actively taking
or making worse offers like They're like,

1156
01:10:56,720 --> 01:11:00,600
they're if for the return like this
this was probably the best that the Wolves

1157
01:11:00,600 --> 01:11:02,600
felt they could do. It wasn't
well, we could have given up this

1158
01:11:02,680 --> 01:11:06,239
same deal and gotten tyas Jones and
just included a little bit more salary.

1159
01:11:06,640 --> 01:11:10,880
And it's like, I have to
remember that. I just think it was

1160
01:11:10,920 --> 01:11:13,840
being over sold as an answer.
But maybe I'm under selling the extent to

1161
01:11:13,880 --> 01:11:17,079
which turnovers of undermined, not just
like the offensive issues, but like the

1162
01:11:17,119 --> 01:11:23,000
blown leads for them this season.
That's been a big issue the other team.

1163
01:11:23,159 --> 01:11:26,640
I think that we need to talk
about Boston, which I respected Boston

1164
01:11:26,760 --> 01:11:29,520
saying it was and they ended up
getting Jaden Springer too, But they came

1165
01:11:29,560 --> 01:11:31,119
out today and said they were done
after getting Exavier tillmant and I was like,

1166
01:11:31,159 --> 01:11:33,880
you know what, you didn't lie
to us, and I respect that.

1167
01:11:34,039 --> 01:11:38,479
I really do appreciate that. I
like Exavier Tillman. It's a fit.

1168
01:11:38,520 --> 01:11:41,279
I know he's dabbled in three point
volume of this huar because my first

1169
01:11:41,319 --> 01:11:45,640
thought was this is like a big
man who's not really a good playmaker and

1170
01:11:45,680 --> 01:11:48,560
doesn't stretch the floor. That's not
a Boston big even under you know,

1171
01:11:48,600 --> 01:11:53,439
whether it's Ema Rudoka or Joe Mazzula
or Brad Stevens. And then I'm like,

1172
01:11:53,479 --> 01:11:57,439
well, like he does. He
has been dabbling at three point volume

1173
01:11:57,439 --> 01:11:59,439
this year, so maybe he'll chuck
more of those in Boston. But I'm

1174
01:11:59,520 --> 01:12:03,079
just like they needed a girthy,
just brute force. Opponents are shooting like

1175
01:12:03,079 --> 01:12:05,880
fifty eight or whatever percent against him
at the rim. It's super low this

1176
01:12:05,960 --> 01:12:09,520
year, so that helps you with
a reserve. He will battle on the

1177
01:12:09,520 --> 01:12:12,880
glass. He's a physical body to
throw at some of the stronger bodies,

1178
01:12:12,880 --> 01:12:15,079
which I think one you're never going
to want to do that with KP and

1179
01:12:15,119 --> 01:12:18,039
al Horfer's getting older so he don't
have to do that. So I liked

1180
01:12:18,039 --> 01:12:20,479
that move. And you already mentioned
this at the top, so you get

1181
01:12:20,560 --> 01:12:24,640
rid of Delano Banton and it doesn't
actually look like that didn't cost you anything.

1182
01:12:24,640 --> 01:12:28,000
Maybe it was cash so you were
able to open up the roster spot

1183
01:12:28,039 --> 01:12:30,720
to get Jayden Springer, who is
you mentioned, just like, let's get

1184
01:12:30,720 --> 01:12:34,439
this other defensive wing in here.
Yeah, it was an understated trade deadline,

1185
01:12:34,439 --> 01:12:38,399
but I actually really liked it.
And look, Xavier Tilman is in

1186
01:12:38,479 --> 01:12:41,600
theory. I know there's going to
be second aproned out six ways, seven

1187
01:12:41,680 --> 01:12:44,920
day like all over the place,
but you keep him, like yeah with

1188
01:12:45,000 --> 01:12:47,720
bird rights and these reserve bigs don't
rermally cost too much money, so I

1189
01:12:47,760 --> 01:12:53,199
thought they had just like a really
solid deadline. Take it with a grain

1190
01:12:53,239 --> 01:12:55,920
of salt because like some of the
names up at the top of this list

1191
01:12:56,000 --> 01:13:00,319
are, you know, it makes
you suspicious of it, but I think

1192
01:13:00,319 --> 01:13:03,439
it's I think it's the best catch
all metric estimated plus minus from dunksan threes.

1193
01:13:04,399 --> 01:13:09,800
He's every Tieman's third in defensive EPM
this year, so like I mean

1194
01:13:09,840 --> 01:13:13,560
above, you know, number one
is Isaiah your your your boy, Isaiah

1195
01:13:13,560 --> 01:13:16,319
Hartenstein number one in defensive estimated because
he's the defensive player of the year.

1196
01:13:16,359 --> 01:13:20,000
So that's that checked out, followed
by Jonathan Isaac, which means this list

1197
01:13:20,039 --> 01:13:27,359
is valid if we're ranking defensive awesomeness. Alex Cruzos fifth, Joel embiid,

1198
01:13:27,439 --> 01:13:30,199
Evan Mobley, my guy, Nikhil, Alexander Walker. But Tillman's third,

1199
01:13:30,520 --> 01:13:35,119
so like it's a premium skill whatever
it like, even even if he's your

1200
01:13:35,159 --> 01:13:39,720
third big, I guess like you
might even play cornette over him sometimes,

1201
01:13:39,840 --> 01:13:43,880
like I think, to get a
guy that might eat up some minutes and

1202
01:13:43,960 --> 01:13:46,319
just really defend hard for a little
while and maybe bring him back. Maybe

1203
01:13:46,319 --> 01:13:49,960
you don't totally good with that,
and Springer is the same way. Like

1204
01:13:50,000 --> 01:13:58,199
I think Alexander Walker, it sounds
like you might be. I just think

1205
01:13:58,199 --> 01:14:02,279
that the Celtics sort of gave themselves
like another look. Maybe like you,

1206
01:14:02,279 --> 01:14:04,680
you know, I don't know when
you're gonna use this your your best players

1207
01:14:04,680 --> 01:14:06,880
are going to be on the floor
in the games you care about the most.

1208
01:14:06,880 --> 01:14:10,399
But like, I don't know,
maybe there's a game in the middle

1209
01:14:10,479 --> 01:14:14,000
of March where like everybody's hurt,
and Springer and Tillman and you know,

1210
01:14:14,039 --> 01:14:16,520
Peyton Pritchard and whoever else do you
want to throw out there just like win

1211
01:14:16,560 --> 01:14:19,279
him a game because they hold the
opponent to like ninety one points, or

1212
01:14:19,399 --> 01:14:23,840
just like you know, there's a
there's there's ways for these guys to contribute,

1213
01:14:24,159 --> 01:14:28,079
and given Boston's kind of restrictions,
like that trade exception they took Springer

1214
01:14:28,079 --> 01:14:31,159
into was kind of like the only
real way they could do anything. They

1215
01:14:31,199 --> 01:14:34,439
at least caught some guys that are
interesting that could help them in ways that

1216
01:14:34,600 --> 01:14:39,119
players currently on the roster maybe would
not have been able to so like given

1217
01:14:39,159 --> 01:14:43,800
the constraints of of like just their
lack of flexibility, I guess I should

1218
01:14:43,800 --> 01:14:45,439
say pretty good to get two guys
that you can look at and say,

1219
01:14:46,000 --> 01:14:48,760
I could he might help. He
really might help at some point. And

1220
01:14:48,960 --> 01:14:51,680
because he's really good at this one
thing, you know that's hard, that's

1221
01:14:51,680 --> 01:14:57,439
hard to do, so very very
quickly, I'm so fascinated, boy,

1222
01:14:57,479 --> 01:14:59,640
what the Grizzlies are going to do
this offseason? Because you get rid of

1223
01:14:59,640 --> 01:15:00,880
Steven Adams, I know I wasn't
playing. You get rid of Xavior Chill,

1224
01:15:00,920 --> 01:15:03,800
when you get rid of David Roddy, you've just blown up your front

1225
01:15:03,840 --> 01:15:06,960
court. And so it's your either
just big believer in Brendon Clark coming back

1226
01:15:06,960 --> 01:15:11,439
from this Achilles injury and looking fantastic, or they're a team that's like kind

1227
01:15:11,439 --> 01:15:15,239
of fixing to do something interesting over
the off season. I leaned towards the

1228
01:15:15,279 --> 01:15:16,760
ladder. So they's just a team
that I don't know that we need to

1229
01:15:16,760 --> 01:15:19,319
spend much time. This is what
they should be doing, where yeah,

1230
01:15:19,359 --> 01:15:23,520
let's just recoup some of these picks. And they definitely made mistakes. I

1231
01:15:23,520 --> 01:15:26,079
don't think they've undid any of them. When it comes to roster building,

1232
01:15:26,119 --> 01:15:29,680
but they've kept they put themselves in
a position where they can still be aggressive

1233
01:15:29,960 --> 01:15:31,640
over the off season for the most
part, though getting rid of Tillman because

1234
01:15:31,640 --> 01:15:35,840
of his next deal, and then
the stuff that they did with the the

1235
01:15:35,840 --> 01:15:39,880
Steven Adams trace specifically was well,
we don't want to pay the attacks next

1236
01:15:39,960 --> 01:15:42,399
year and we want to make sure
that Marcus Smart is in the cap casualty.

1237
01:15:42,439 --> 01:15:45,920
That's how I read it. But
they've basically blown aside from Jaron Jackson

1238
01:15:45,960 --> 01:15:49,159
Junior, they just like blew up
their future front court. Yeah, can

1239
01:15:49,199 --> 01:15:54,000
I ask you, like a macro
question that we don't really haven't really done

1240
01:15:54,079 --> 01:15:58,560
done this yet. So in the
wake of the deadline, has your view

1241
01:15:58,640 --> 01:16:03,079
on like the contender tier versus like
the tier below that, like, has

1242
01:16:03,079 --> 01:16:09,600
anybody moved around in a meaningful way? So I'm not gonna lie. I

1243
01:16:09,640 --> 01:16:14,000
am less confident than I was not
because of the deadline, but post deadline,

1244
01:16:14,039 --> 01:16:18,439
I'm less confident in the Timberwolves being
as legit as I thought they were.

1245
01:16:17,239 --> 01:16:21,520
I thought that they might just get
some if it was Tias Jones,

1246
01:16:21,560 --> 01:16:26,439
someone who I could envision just playing
more minutes than Monte Morris. I like

1247
01:16:26,479 --> 01:16:29,359
it maybe incrementally better, which I
think makes a big difference when you're as

1248
01:16:29,359 --> 01:16:31,520
good as the Wolves. I would
have liked to have seen them get I

1249
01:16:31,560 --> 01:16:33,720
mean like a Luke Canar I mentioned. I would have liked to see them

1250
01:16:33,760 --> 01:16:36,720
been more at least have them tied. If we've even heard a report like,

1251
01:16:36,720 --> 01:16:40,479
oh, they tried to get so
and so and even the thunder a

1252
01:16:40,520 --> 01:16:45,119
little bit, because like you didn't
add any like half the rebounding or bounce

1253
01:16:45,319 --> 01:16:47,119
up front. But I still feel
really good about what we just mentioned With

1254
01:16:47,119 --> 01:16:51,319
Gordon Hayward, I will say what's
changed for me? I am I don't

1255
01:16:51,319 --> 01:16:55,159
know, And this might have to
do more with their recent play. I'm

1256
01:16:55,399 --> 01:16:59,760
I'm like in on the Suns again, like they are full strength, having

1257
01:16:59,760 --> 01:17:02,399
real O'Neil there, They've consolidated their
options a little bit. Look, options

1258
01:17:02,399 --> 01:17:04,720
can also be the enemy of success. Sometimes it feels like you need to

1259
01:17:04,720 --> 01:17:09,159
try and pull so many of these
different levers, consolidating some of that into

1260
01:17:09,239 --> 01:17:12,560
roy O'Neil. Yes, there's big
man questions, there's rotation questions up and

1261
01:17:12,560 --> 01:17:15,880
down the court. I don't want
to hear about the point guard stuff anymore.

1262
01:17:15,960 --> 01:17:19,279
I was doing something the other day, Devin Booker the percentage of his

1263
01:17:19,359 --> 01:17:24,760
passes that lead to in a like
a direct shot, a free throw,

1264
01:17:24,960 --> 01:17:28,079
or a secondary assist. He ranks
not as he ran in the top five

1265
01:17:28,079 --> 01:17:30,119
to the league this year. He's
ranked in the top five of the league

1266
01:17:30,119 --> 01:17:34,039
among high volume passers in every single
season for the past half decade. Trey

1267
01:17:34,119 --> 01:17:36,720
Young's the only other player who has
done the same. So I said it

1268
01:17:36,760 --> 01:17:41,399
a thousand passes per year as my
minimum. That's nothing like these guys are

1269
01:17:41,439 --> 01:17:44,800
passing like thousands and thousands of times. So that's a real sample. So

1270
01:17:44,880 --> 01:17:47,880
I find myself. I think my
biggest change is that I'm probably the same

1271
01:17:47,920 --> 01:17:51,520
as I was on OKAC. Nothing
has really changed about the Clippers. For

1272
01:17:51,640 --> 01:17:56,079
me, I'm still the Nuggets are
my title pick. I'm a little bit

1273
01:17:56,119 --> 01:17:58,560
more easy about the Timberwolves. With
the bigger thing is is like I'm not

1274
01:17:58,640 --> 01:18:01,359
kind of in on the Suns.
Yeah. Yeah, I think if you

1275
01:18:01,399 --> 01:18:06,479
look down the list of like who's
gonna be an impact player on teams that

1276
01:18:06,560 --> 01:18:12,920
matter, you get Healed in Philly, You maybe get Hayward in Okay see,

1277
01:18:13,000 --> 01:18:15,119
depending on how healthy he is.
Bogdanovic and Burke's in New York.

1278
01:18:15,640 --> 01:18:18,920
I think you probably go PJ.
Washington in Dallas, like impact, meaning

1279
01:18:18,960 --> 01:18:23,600
I don't know which way that's gonna
go. And then you know in Phoenix,

1280
01:18:23,680 --> 01:18:26,159
right, like those are That's what
we're dealing with in terms of like

1281
01:18:26,239 --> 01:18:29,439
needle movers. I guess, like
which of those guys I mentioned or maybe

1282
01:18:29,439 --> 01:18:31,319
you have someone else? Do you
think maybe it is O'Neill, But like,

1283
01:18:31,720 --> 01:18:35,039
who do you think is gonna matter
the most in the sort of grand

1284
01:18:35,039 --> 01:18:39,199
scheme of like the league hierarchy at
this point, like who, oh,

1285
01:18:39,199 --> 01:18:42,359
I misunderstood your question, then I'm
sorry, Oh no, no, no,

1286
01:18:42,399 --> 01:18:44,760
I'm changing the question. I was
just looking at the names, like

1287
01:18:44,920 --> 01:18:46,800
because because I kind of feel the
same way about teams themselves. But like,

1288
01:18:46,840 --> 01:18:49,840
of those none of those names are
huge, But like, of those,

1289
01:18:49,880 --> 01:18:54,720
who do you think has the ability
or is in position to like make

1290
01:18:54,760 --> 01:18:58,319
the most meaningful difference? I feel
like it might be Gordon Hayward, which

1291
01:18:58,359 --> 01:19:00,279
is a wild thing to say,
but you you kind of laid it out.

1292
01:19:00,399 --> 01:19:05,359
So much of this is inextricably tied
to health and is he gonna be

1293
01:19:05,399 --> 01:19:09,000
available? But then in New York, I would pick what the Knicks did

1294
01:19:09,399 --> 01:19:12,680
if you told me that og Annobie
and Julius Randall Mitchell Rott if two of

1295
01:19:12,680 --> 01:19:15,960
those guys are gonna be back and
fine, but like we don't know.

1296
01:19:15,000 --> 01:19:17,439
And then in Philly, that's the
other thing we didn't kind of talk about

1297
01:19:17,960 --> 01:19:23,720
is going after healed. Does it
kind of imply that you are expecting Joell

1298
01:19:23,720 --> 01:19:26,279
Ebie to come back this season,
which is a good thing. So like

1299
01:19:26,720 --> 01:19:29,760
that's the I don't know if he
has a big enough difference on them.

1300
01:19:29,760 --> 01:19:31,920
If Joell Embid is coming back,
it could be him, I would say

1301
01:19:32,000 --> 01:19:35,039
right now, if we just had
to guess based off how these guys are

1302
01:19:35,079 --> 01:19:42,079
gonna play, I honestly think I
think it's Gordon Hayward. Who I mean,

1303
01:19:42,119 --> 01:19:44,359
look at it this way, PJ. Washington, of anyone who is

1304
01:19:44,359 --> 01:19:47,520
traded if their teams are at full
strength, maybe the answer is Buddy heeled.

1305
01:19:47,520 --> 01:19:50,800
I don't think it's anybody the Knick's
just acquired. He has the best

1306
01:19:50,880 --> 01:19:54,880
chance to be a part of a
closing unit of a playoff team, right,

1307
01:19:55,000 --> 01:19:57,279
Yeah, that's an interesting way to
frame it. I mean O'Neil is

1308
01:19:57,279 --> 01:20:00,239
in that conversation too, but I
think Hayward just does more on is a

1309
01:20:00,279 --> 01:20:02,560
better player than O'Neill probably, although
like for what the Sons need, Like

1310
01:20:02,600 --> 01:20:05,760
if you had Hayward on the Suns
instead of O'Neil, you might not feel

1311
01:20:05,760 --> 01:20:10,199
as good about them as as you
do now with them having O'Neill. So

1312
01:20:10,199 --> 01:20:13,079
it's very situational. But like,
yeah, I think there's a case for

1313
01:20:13,119 --> 01:20:15,760
Hayward. I think, I mean, I know, maybe you don't want

1314
01:20:15,760 --> 01:20:17,880
to say it, but I think
that that Bogdanovic and Burkes, and this

1315
01:20:17,920 --> 01:20:21,800
assumes health for the rest of the
roster, like, those guys will both

1316
01:20:21,840 --> 01:20:26,760
be in the rotation, like however
deep the Knicks go in the playoffs,

1317
01:20:26,760 --> 01:20:29,079
Like, I think both of those
guys are going to be on the floor

1318
01:20:29,199 --> 01:20:33,039
a lot. So I think that
they're like but the injury questions the rest

1319
01:20:33,079 --> 01:20:35,880
of the roster make that tricky to
sort of figure out how much they're gonna

1320
01:20:35,880 --> 01:20:39,560
matter. Although I think to be
on the team next year too, right

1321
01:20:39,600 --> 01:20:43,319
would you wouldn't you? That's another
question. You think they gets moved over

1322
01:20:43,359 --> 01:20:45,680
the offseason, like because of his
they guarantee his contract. I will say

1323
01:20:45,720 --> 01:20:48,479
so if it's just in a vacuum. Actually think it's the Knicks by a

1324
01:20:48,479 --> 01:20:53,560
comfortable margin because we're kind of looking
at the realities of the question marks.

1325
01:20:54,199 --> 01:20:58,279
I think it's Gordon Hayward and okay
seor O'Neil even in Phoenix. I'm definitely

1326
01:20:58,359 --> 01:21:01,960
most interested to see what Hayward looks
like with the Thunder, because I like,

1327
01:21:02,039 --> 01:21:04,520
you know what he's gonna do in
Philly, like you know what Royce

1328
01:21:04,520 --> 01:21:08,680
O'Neil is gonna do in Phoenix,
like you you Hayward is just kind of

1329
01:21:08,720 --> 01:21:11,600
like it's an interesting fit, and
he's been hurt for so long that we

1330
01:21:11,640 --> 01:21:15,039
don't really know what level he's at. So I mean, I think I'm

1331
01:21:15,039 --> 01:21:16,800
excited for that one for sure.
Plus I just like watching the Thunder,

1332
01:21:16,840 --> 01:21:20,319
so any any extra excuse to watch
Okay see is a positive. We have

1333
01:21:20,359 --> 01:21:24,239
a few minutes left, so let's
get to some teams that didn't do much

1334
01:21:24,359 --> 01:21:27,880
or anything. This comment comes from
Ruby'scals being a team that didn't do anything.

1335
01:21:27,960 --> 01:21:31,319
Dunleavy Junior perfected his trade deadline philosophy
under the tutelage of our tourist Carnacibus

1336
01:21:31,760 --> 01:21:34,560
Uh that what did you just make
of the Dubs doing nothing? I don't

1337
01:21:34,600 --> 01:21:39,560
think this shocked anybody. I guess
I'm not saying rubik'scaut was shocked, but

1338
01:21:39,560 --> 01:21:43,119
I just don't think that this their
inactivity was a surprise. Yeah, and

1339
01:21:43,159 --> 01:21:45,560
I would I would distinguish it from
the Bulls in activity by saying the Warriors

1340
01:21:45,600 --> 01:21:48,680
probably shouldn't have done something, whereas
I think we all agree the Bulls should

1341
01:21:48,680 --> 01:21:53,920
have, even being hamstrung by that
by the Levigne injury, Like you should

1342
01:21:53,960 --> 01:21:57,199
have traded de Rosen. You probably
should have traded Caruso if like that would

1343
01:21:57,199 --> 01:22:00,359
have been an interesting test in this
like depressed market for first rounders. I

1344
01:22:00,399 --> 01:22:03,720
wonder if Caruso would have got you, like a good first because you know,

1345
01:22:04,159 --> 01:22:08,840
the Bulls we're talking about, we
want to or whatever the ridiculous reporting

1346
01:22:08,920 --> 01:22:12,560
was on that. I don't think
the Warriors were in a position where there

1347
01:22:12,600 --> 01:22:15,319
was a trade out there. This
I'm just rehashing this like cut and paste

1348
01:22:15,359 --> 01:22:16,560
this. There was not a trade
out there to get the Warriors into the

1349
01:22:16,560 --> 01:22:24,279
contender tier. Their best, if
highly unlikely path to reassuming that form is

1350
01:22:24,319 --> 01:22:27,640
for the guys currently on the roster
to play better, and like that's kind

1351
01:22:27,640 --> 01:22:30,880
of been happening. Kminga's on a
heater. Andrew Wiggins has been a lot

1352
01:22:30,920 --> 01:22:34,840
better lately. Their Their win against
a depleted Sixers team the other night was

1353
01:22:34,880 --> 01:22:41,119
the best team ball they played literally
all year. It feels like Kaminga's emergence

1354
01:22:41,640 --> 01:22:46,399
has the veterans like believing a little
bit or like and trusting a little bit.

1355
01:22:46,560 --> 01:22:51,039
And I think they also realized that
like Kminga draws so much attention now

1356
01:22:51,039 --> 01:22:55,199
with the ball that like, oh
my god, like suddenly there's a little

1357
01:22:55,199 --> 01:22:58,279
bit of room for Klay Thompson to
get open or for you know, Wiggins

1358
01:22:58,279 --> 01:23:01,119
to duck in or curry like I
think. So that's not to say that

1359
01:23:01,159 --> 01:23:04,119
they're gonna get anywhere this year,
but it is to say that like trading

1360
01:23:04,119 --> 01:23:11,079
Wiggins for a version of like of
another Wiggins type and giving up capital to

1361
01:23:11,079 --> 01:23:13,960
do it would have been stupid and
like, you're not trading Klay Thompson.

1362
01:23:14,000 --> 01:23:16,399
Nobody wants that forty plus million expiring. Like, I don't think there was

1363
01:23:16,439 --> 01:23:18,479
a good trade for the Warriors,
and so I think it was right not

1364
01:23:18,560 --> 01:23:23,239
to do anything, not so for
the Bulls. That that's the contrast,

1365
01:23:23,319 --> 01:23:26,159
is the Bulls should have done something, but they're gonna compete for the playoffs,

1366
01:23:26,159 --> 01:23:29,640
I guess is the mandate now according
to the latest comments out of there,

1367
01:23:29,680 --> 01:23:33,600
is there anybody besides the Bulls that
you thought, like really missed opportunities

1368
01:23:33,680 --> 01:23:39,760
or or just should have done something
consequential so very quickly to wrap up on

1369
01:23:39,800 --> 01:23:41,840
the Warriors, I was a little
bit sad, and I actually have a

1370
01:23:41,920 --> 01:23:44,039
question for you. I was hoping
they were gonna free Moses Moody, to

1371
01:23:44,039 --> 01:23:47,159
be honest with you, Yeah,
do you think this makes it? Or

1372
01:23:47,159 --> 01:23:50,439
are they just so concerned about costs
they did pay to get Corey Joseph off

1373
01:23:50,439 --> 01:23:55,960
their books. Is there a chance
now that they guarantee Chris Paul Sally or

1374
01:23:56,239 --> 01:23:59,039
like to then make the bigger move
over the offseason, or do you think

1375
01:23:59,039 --> 01:24:01,079
that this is more of an submit
of actually saying maybe they bring him back

1376
01:24:01,079 --> 01:24:04,600
in a smaller number, but we're
more about this exact core and hoping that

1377
01:24:04,640 --> 01:24:09,840
it's better next year and that it's
you know, does the needle or the

1378
01:24:09,840 --> 01:24:14,359
barometer for judgment on Klay Thompson moves
when he's playing a smaller role like he

1379
01:24:14,720 --> 01:24:17,560
is now, but he won't be
making forty plus million dollars. Yeah,

1380
01:24:17,600 --> 01:24:23,680
I think Clay coming back next year
at like twenty is probably the likeliest outcome.

1381
01:24:23,800 --> 01:24:26,279
I don't know how long that deal
goes, but I would I would

1382
01:24:26,279 --> 01:24:29,960
guess on Paul because that's I neglected
to mention him as like that's a chip

1383
01:24:30,000 --> 01:24:32,399
they could have moved with, say
Moody, and you know first for something.

1384
01:24:34,039 --> 01:24:38,399
I would bet I think the least
likely outcome is they bring him,

1385
01:24:38,600 --> 01:24:41,960
they pick up the guarantee and bring
him back at thirty, just because I

1386
01:24:42,000 --> 01:24:45,479
don't feel like there's again it's all
tied to like, well, how much

1387
01:24:45,560 --> 01:24:47,560
cheaper can you bring Thompson back for? And you know that kind of thing.

1388
01:24:47,560 --> 01:24:51,560
But like I would guess he's either
back at a reduced salary or they

1389
01:24:51,640 --> 01:24:55,920
just kind of you know, we
got off the Jordan Pool deal. We're

1390
01:24:55,960 --> 01:24:59,560
good. You know. The cowards
just let him go, their financial cowards.

1391
01:25:00,000 --> 01:25:03,720
So to answer your question, the
team that I feel like, I'm

1392
01:25:03,720 --> 01:25:08,840
actually genuinely shocked, and this again
must be prefaced with well, what was

1393
01:25:08,880 --> 01:25:11,880
out there for them? Can I
guess? I guess? Well, I

1394
01:25:11,960 --> 01:25:14,319
already said their name would go ahead. I didn't hear you say it,

1395
01:25:14,319 --> 01:25:17,760
so I swear I'm not. Is
it Orlando? No? Uh? First

1396
01:25:17,760 --> 01:25:20,720
of all, I saw a Lando
saying they didn't have interest in Kevin Herder

1397
01:25:20,720 --> 01:25:26,359
because didn't play enough defense. If
that was accurate reporting, Fuck that front

1398
01:25:26,359 --> 01:25:30,399
office does not know what it needs
or like this just doesn't like that would

1399
01:25:30,399 --> 01:25:32,439
be I don't even want to talk
about them because if that's the logic they

1400
01:25:32,439 --> 01:25:36,000
had heading into this deadline after seeing
their offense for the entire season, Yeah,

1401
01:25:36,119 --> 01:25:40,000
I don't care. Also, that's
what feeling sucks is for he go

1402
01:25:40,119 --> 01:25:43,079
he can go guard that guy.
You can have Kevin, Like we're not

1403
01:25:43,119 --> 01:25:46,039
asking you to acquire Like I don't. I don't even know what do they

1404
01:25:46,079 --> 01:25:48,960
Who do they think Kevin Hurder is? I don't know. I'm just like

1405
01:25:49,279 --> 01:25:55,960
just so the King's not doing anything. Feels like a major major miss here.

1406
01:25:56,359 --> 01:25:59,439
Like you've had some struggles of late. The offense has not been as

1407
01:25:59,439 --> 01:26:02,680
good as you need to. You
already mentioned like the Sabonus without Fox minutes

1408
01:26:02,760 --> 01:26:06,119
or a little bit iffy, and
there were just clear spots like you have

1409
01:26:06,239 --> 01:26:14,800
three big needs on this team,
and I'll say this perimeter defense is one

1410
01:26:14,800 --> 01:26:16,319
of them. But I do think
that the Aaron Fox and Keegan Murray have

1411
01:26:16,359 --> 01:26:21,600
allowed you to now prioritize well,
we either needed like additional shop creation on

1412
01:26:21,640 --> 01:26:26,119
this roster that came in the form
of someone who's bigger than Maligue Monker has

1413
01:26:26,159 --> 01:26:29,319
more of like the perimeter, not
just getting downhill, or we needed rim

1414
01:26:29,399 --> 01:26:32,199
protection that could fit next to Dolmas
Sabonis. So those are three things that

1415
01:26:32,279 --> 01:26:35,119
I just named and maybe you would
come up with more. And you did

1416
01:26:35,159 --> 01:26:39,680
nothing. You didn't do anything on
the margins. Maybe you're a team that'll

1417
01:26:39,680 --> 01:26:43,960
be linked to buyout candidates. And
this is also I respect that they were

1418
01:26:44,039 --> 01:26:47,359
kind of like only ankle deep in
the ogn Andobi and Pascal Siakam stuff where

1419
01:26:47,359 --> 01:26:49,960
it shows, well, we don't
want to short circuit our future, like

1420
01:26:50,000 --> 01:26:53,359
it's just not now for us looking
at the lay of the land in the

1421
01:26:53,359 --> 01:26:57,439
west, But like, how do
you do nothing at this deadline when there

1422
01:26:57,479 --> 01:27:00,800
are so many clear areas that you
need, not just it's like, oh,

1423
01:27:00,880 --> 01:27:02,239
this guy needs to be like a
cap Like you didn't need to get

1424
01:27:02,279 --> 01:27:06,279
another top forty player over, like
you just needed to get a rotational upgrade.

1425
01:27:06,520 --> 01:27:10,319
And yes, PDPTE this is the
other thing. Yes, Malik Bunk

1426
01:27:10,359 --> 01:27:12,840
could walk this summer because they have
early bird rights on him. But if

1427
01:27:12,840 --> 01:27:15,039
a team comes over the top,
or if they don't want to pay him

1428
01:27:15,319 --> 01:27:17,279
like more than he's making right now. That's the other part of this is

1429
01:27:17,359 --> 01:27:20,439
so you don't even have like Malague
Monk insurance at this point if he does

1430
01:27:20,520 --> 01:27:25,840
leave. Yeah, I agree.
I think the Devil's Advocate position would be

1431
01:27:25,920 --> 01:27:28,159
kind of like what I just said
about the Warriors, which is like,

1432
01:27:28,239 --> 01:27:31,399
what was the move that was gonna
bump them up like a tier in terms

1433
01:27:31,399 --> 01:27:35,119
of you know, cause they're I
mean, it may have been there,

1434
01:27:35,119 --> 01:27:38,640
it may have not like it may
have they may have missed the boat,

1435
01:27:38,720 --> 01:27:41,920
like if they could have just overpaid
for siakam Ran Andobi or whatever. I

1436
01:27:41,920 --> 01:27:45,560
don't think they were beating anybody's offers
for those guys. But if you're not

1437
01:27:45,600 --> 01:27:48,319
gonna trade Kegan Murray and that's just
like the the line in the sand,

1438
01:27:48,359 --> 01:27:53,039
it seems like there's just they will
not do it, then it's like you're

1439
01:27:53,039 --> 01:27:56,760
trading Harrison Barnes and what you know. Like that that's the way the way

1440
01:27:56,760 --> 01:27:59,439
forward. I agree, like they
need they were one of the teams that's

1441
01:27:59,439 --> 01:28:01,720
like kind of in the middle and
not in the middle middle, not like

1442
01:28:01,760 --> 01:28:05,000
the Bulls middle or what we used
to call like the Orlando middle. But

1443
01:28:05,159 --> 01:28:10,000
like, yeah, you're not a
top four team. You're probably better than

1444
01:28:10,039 --> 01:28:13,720
the like nine ten spot in the
play in, but you're in the you're

1445
01:28:13,720 --> 01:28:15,640
in that middle, and I don't
know what they could have done to like

1446
01:28:15,720 --> 01:28:19,760
climb out of that. But yeah, they got perimeter defense issues the offense.

1447
01:28:20,119 --> 01:28:23,600
You said it all like it is. It is kind of disappointing,

1448
01:28:23,600 --> 01:28:28,039
slash surprising that they didn't do like
literally anything. And to your point,

1449
01:28:28,039 --> 01:28:31,119
if it took a twenty twenty seven
first to get PJ Washington, granted you're

1450
01:28:31,159 --> 01:28:35,520
not send I mean Barnes and Williams's
salary if that was the stuff going out,

1451
01:28:35,520 --> 01:28:38,560
I don't even know if First of
all, I don't know how much

1452
01:28:38,960 --> 01:28:42,880
upgrade pe Washington is an upgrade over
Harrison Barnes minutes. Maybe you're not trying

1453
01:28:42,920 --> 01:28:45,760
to give up Harrison. But also, and I'm step, I'm like negating

1454
01:28:45,800 --> 01:28:49,560
my own point here, Like Kevin
Hurder' is still kind of too valuable than

1455
01:28:49,600 --> 01:28:53,640
be like, well let's just move
him for for X. But it took

1456
01:28:53,720 --> 01:28:56,600
again, it wasn't well you need
to move one of your Like you couldn't

1457
01:28:56,600 --> 01:29:00,560
even trade Davey on Mitchell for like
second round flyers or something. Apparently not

1458
01:29:00,800 --> 01:29:03,159
like that, he's back in the
rotation a little bit, by the way,

1459
01:29:03,199 --> 01:29:06,159
But yeah, that's that's a good
nomination. I don't really have any

1460
01:29:06,159 --> 01:29:10,880
other. I did mention Orlando just
because we spent you know, the last

1461
01:29:10,920 --> 01:29:15,159
several months thinking about which different guards
or offensive players they could add, and

1462
01:29:15,199 --> 01:29:18,880
they just they didn't. I think
if we give anybody a pass, it's

1463
01:29:18,880 --> 01:29:24,319
probably them, just because of the
youth of the roster and stock. Come

1464
01:29:24,319 --> 01:29:27,000
on, we're not we're in the
business of hot takes here, but this

1465
01:29:27,079 --> 01:29:31,079
is they should have done something.
No, like, let's just put shooting

1466
01:29:31,119 --> 01:29:35,479
on it, especially because so much
of their talent feels makeshift where it's Gary

1467
01:29:35,479 --> 01:29:40,560
Harris is expiring, MARKL. Folks
is expiring, Jonathan Isaac is fully guaranteed

1468
01:29:40,600 --> 01:29:44,039
next year, go Gooba Toadze is
going to be a free agent. So

1469
01:29:44,159 --> 01:29:47,439
it's not like you're just locked down
in the sule future. I guess,

1470
01:29:47,479 --> 01:29:49,319
like, well, what's the move. I mean, we've talked about a

1471
01:29:49,319 --> 01:29:53,720
million of them, Like Brogden would
have made some sense there, I guess,

1472
01:29:53,760 --> 01:29:56,560
like trying to think who we all
are would have made sense. Yeah,

1473
01:29:56,600 --> 01:30:00,159
Brooks was an option. Yeah,
they definitely could have had so some

1474
01:30:00,199 --> 01:30:04,199
improvement, But like again, like
I wonder if teams are just like you

1475
01:30:04,239 --> 01:30:08,760
want Tyas Jones. It's a first
deal and then he's a free agent,

1476
01:30:08,920 --> 01:30:12,880
so deal with that's your problem now, you know. Here's here's an interesting

1477
01:30:13,000 --> 01:30:16,039
question though, if it would have
cost you to first to get Jeremy Grant,

1478
01:30:16,039 --> 01:30:19,000
would you have done it for this
team? For Orlando? No?

1479
01:30:19,079 --> 01:30:20,840
Oh, I'm sorry, I thought
we were still talking about the Kings for

1480
01:30:20,840 --> 01:30:24,000
a second. No, no,
not that if it but like, why

1481
01:30:24,000 --> 01:30:26,399
couldn't they have gone out? I
guess if they didn't want Kevin Hurder,

1482
01:30:26,439 --> 01:30:30,840
they wouldn't have wanted Luke Canard.
But like even for like Luke Canard wasn't

1483
01:30:30,840 --> 01:30:32,479
gonna cost you a first round pick. The Grizzlies are out here trying to

1484
01:30:32,760 --> 01:30:35,399
They're only gonna duct the tax next
year, probably if they decline in this

1485
01:30:35,439 --> 01:30:40,640
steam option. So like I just
them and the Kings felt like they could

1486
01:30:40,680 --> 01:30:45,720
have just made the move of Okay, this isn't a caps lock like improvement,

1487
01:30:46,720 --> 01:30:49,399
but like we got better or we
got a little bit deeper, and

1488
01:30:49,439 --> 01:30:53,399
they did nothing. How about this? You look at what it took to

1489
01:30:53,399 --> 01:30:58,079
get Bogdanovic and Burk's for the Knicks, you're telling me the Kings couldn't get

1490
01:30:58,119 --> 01:31:01,279
matching salary and just put more seconds
on the table, Like is Quentin Grimes

1491
01:31:01,319 --> 01:31:04,920
like they really the gem like that? You know, I think they're just

1492
01:31:05,000 --> 01:31:09,720
so viewed through that lens, Like
the Kings should have been able to if

1493
01:31:09,720 --> 01:31:12,960
they put a first on the table, like they should have beaten they should

1494
01:31:12,960 --> 01:31:15,079
have beaten the offer for Bogdanovitch,
for example, like they could not that

1495
01:31:15,119 --> 01:31:17,960
he's what they need. But it's
like right, it does. It does

1496
01:31:18,000 --> 01:31:20,720
go to your point of like it
feels like the inactivity was more like,

1497
01:31:21,720 --> 01:31:26,359
you know, an unwillingness as opposed
to an inability to do something. This

1498
01:31:26,479 --> 01:31:28,680
is I mean, we're back to
the Kings, but can you would you

1499
01:31:28,880 --> 01:31:30,199
Well, let's get to from Rubus
Galas. This is the ceiling for the

1500
01:31:30,239 --> 01:31:32,800
Kings. What's the difference between this
team and the one that lit the beam

1501
01:31:33,399 --> 01:31:38,000
and the league? I do think
I'll answer that one. It just feels

1502
01:31:38,039 --> 01:31:43,039
like some of their offensive ceiling has
fallen apart. Even though they've gotten progression

1503
01:31:43,199 --> 01:31:46,119
from dearon Fox, the bonus is
still just as good and Keegan Murray,

1504
01:31:46,199 --> 01:31:53,520
I just feel like Barnes Lyles,
who who's the main we were just talking

1505
01:31:53,520 --> 01:31:55,840
about him, Barnes, Oh,
Kevin Hurder like they've been, Kevin Heurder

1506
01:31:55,840 --> 01:31:58,960
still hitting his threes, like they've
all been a little bit worse. And

1507
01:31:59,000 --> 01:32:02,600
when it's compounded over, they didn't
really have the personnelity get much better defensively.

1508
01:32:02,960 --> 01:32:06,000
That's just why. And and the
bigger thing to me is I think

1509
01:32:06,000 --> 01:32:10,439
this King's team is just as good
as it was last year, might even

1510
01:32:10,479 --> 01:32:13,000
be a little bit better if you
want a cake in the Keegan Murray development.

1511
01:32:13,279 --> 01:32:16,520
The West overall is just a lot
more dangerous when you're factoring in not

1512
01:32:16,720 --> 01:32:19,800
just the Nuggets. But it's okay, the Sun's got healthy, the Clippers

1513
01:32:19,800 --> 01:32:23,359
are now, or the Clippers are
healthy, the Sons are getting healthy,

1514
01:32:24,000 --> 01:32:28,039
Denver is still walking around there,
and then you have like the Timberwolves and

1515
01:32:28,079 --> 01:32:30,760
the Thunder on the rise. So
I think that's the bigger difference. And

1516
01:32:30,840 --> 01:32:33,079
my question to you is like if
you would have had I wouldn't have done

1517
01:32:33,079 --> 01:32:35,920
two first round picks for Cloud Kuzma. I don't even think I would have

1518
01:32:35,960 --> 01:32:39,359
given up the same value. Like
if it was just a first round pick

1519
01:32:39,359 --> 01:32:42,319
for PJ Washington, I probably would
have said pass. But if it was

1520
01:32:43,039 --> 01:32:45,119
like a two picks for Jeremy Grant. I mean, even if it was

1521
01:32:45,199 --> 01:32:48,359
Hurder and a pick Herder might have
some value to Portland maybe, like maybe

1522
01:32:48,359 --> 01:32:50,279
they didn't want to get rid of
Jeremy Grant. It seems they didn't want

1523
01:32:50,279 --> 01:32:54,319
to get rid of anybody. But
like, if you could have gotten a

1524
01:32:54,359 --> 01:32:58,279
player of Jeremy Grant, because you
wouldn't have gotten I'm curious what was their

1525
01:32:58,279 --> 01:33:01,119
best offer for og An Andobi?
Because if it was two first round picks,

1526
01:33:01,159 --> 01:33:04,600
I guess Toronto wanted players. Were
they aggressive enough with him? But

1527
01:33:04,720 --> 01:33:08,279
if you would have, would you've
given up two first for Jeremy Grant if

1528
01:33:08,279 --> 01:33:11,199
you're this team, I'm genuinely curious. I'm not giving an opinion there or

1529
01:33:11,199 --> 01:33:15,039
anything. I like, depending on
how good they were, Like if there's

1530
01:33:15,079 --> 01:33:19,560
one real one in there and then
one like I think I probably would just

1531
01:33:19,600 --> 01:33:23,960
because that he does give you.
I mean, we don't love the contract.

1532
01:33:24,039 --> 01:33:26,600
It's not like a crippler, but
it's not great, but he does

1533
01:33:26,680 --> 01:33:30,359
give you the defense, the versatility, the like on the margin stuff,

1534
01:33:30,439 --> 01:33:31,760
and he can get you twenty,
which is you know, Barnes can't do

1535
01:33:31,800 --> 01:33:38,880
that anymore either. I think I
probably would do that. I think I

1536
01:33:38,920 --> 01:33:42,239
can also imagine a world where we're
criticizing them for doing that after it doesn't

1537
01:33:42,279 --> 01:33:45,039
fair neutle enough, you know,
I would say too to your point one

1538
01:33:45,119 --> 01:33:48,680
nineteen point seven offensive rating for them
last year, number one greatest ever all

1539
01:33:48,680 --> 01:33:53,119
this stuff, that'd be seventh this
year. So it's just like the thing

1540
01:33:53,159 --> 01:33:56,319
they were great at, like six
other teams are now just as good at

1541
01:33:56,479 --> 01:34:00,720
and there it's just like the league. It didn't catch because it's not like

1542
01:34:00,760 --> 01:34:03,760
the Kings were innovating in any real
sense offensively, but just they were a

1543
01:34:03,840 --> 01:34:08,279
year ahead of the offensive explosion maybe
or something like that, and they're just

1544
01:34:08,359 --> 01:34:12,520
they're just not They're not like world
beaters on offense anymore, and the defense

1545
01:34:12,560 --> 01:34:14,920
isn't good enough to offset that,
which we knew was going to be the

1546
01:34:14,920 --> 01:34:16,640
case. I have one more team
I would like to hit, because I

1547
01:34:16,640 --> 01:34:20,039
know you have to go in five
minutes because they did nothing and everyone thought

1548
01:34:20,079 --> 01:34:25,880
they were gonna do everything. The
Atlanta Hawks. Oh yeah, I mean,

1549
01:34:26,560 --> 01:34:30,439
like again, it's gotta be that
the offers weren't there for Murray and

1550
01:34:30,640 --> 01:34:33,640
they when we talked to Keith Smith
about this, I mean, the great

1551
01:34:33,680 --> 01:34:38,720
point of like, there's not really
urgency. You've got them under contract,

1552
01:34:38,720 --> 01:34:42,199
you just sign them to an extension. If there's no you know, multiple

1553
01:34:42,199 --> 01:34:44,840
first round pick off er out there, you don't have to do anything.

1554
01:34:45,199 --> 01:34:47,960
But it did feel like they pulled
the change of the coach lever last year

1555
01:34:48,600 --> 01:34:54,520
and nothing's really changed. And so
the next move is let's move guys that

1556
01:34:54,560 --> 01:34:57,199
are not named Trey Young. And
then the next next move is let's move

1557
01:34:57,199 --> 01:34:59,880
Trey Young. And they they didn't
even take that middle step yet. So

1558
01:35:00,439 --> 01:35:03,399
I'm I'm surprised, Like DeAndre Hunter
would have been one of the best players

1559
01:35:03,399 --> 01:35:08,079
to move if he'd gone anywhere.
Clint Capella I think, probably does Clin

1560
01:35:08,079 --> 01:35:12,479
Capella get you more than Daniel Gafford? Probably not right, but no,

1561
01:35:12,600 --> 01:35:16,039
which is probably fair. He's got
hurt the other day too, I think.

1562
01:35:17,000 --> 01:35:19,680
But yeah, surprising. Can I
want to nominate? We could talk

1563
01:35:19,960 --> 01:35:25,319
the Hawks two, but Portland,
like Brogden's still there, Jeremy Grant's still

1564
01:35:25,359 --> 01:35:29,439
there, Like how I thought I
thought for sure we'd get something. I

1565
01:35:29,479 --> 01:35:31,960
actually think that keeping Grant was the
bigger risk because I don't know if his

1566
01:35:32,079 --> 01:35:35,199
value will be any higher than it
is now. However, I will say,

1567
01:35:35,720 --> 01:35:39,520
if you couldn't get a real first
for Brogden, or if it was

1568
01:35:39,600 --> 01:35:43,039
because Grimes has I know, Shadon
Sharp got injured and is out for the

1569
01:35:43,119 --> 01:35:45,359
year now. Like if Grimes was
the offer in New York, wasn't giving

1570
01:35:45,399 --> 01:35:47,720
you a pick. I get why
you're not trading him to New York Brogden

1571
01:35:47,800 --> 01:35:51,000
specifically, So you couldn't get a
first round pick for Brogden and he wants

1572
01:35:51,039 --> 01:35:54,680
to stay there. But that's that's
smart. You should never when you're not

1573
01:35:54,720 --> 01:35:57,000
a star, You shouldn't say you
don't want to be anywhere, right,

1574
01:35:57,319 --> 01:35:59,880
But if you could have gotten to
first for Jeremy Grant, and I'm not

1575
01:35:59,880 --> 01:36:01,199
saying they could have, So that's
why I really don't have a problem,

1576
01:36:01,479 --> 01:36:04,960
you should have moved it. Like
we agree there. I think that is

1577
01:36:05,000 --> 01:36:08,000
the well we would have moved him, for one, if it was from

1578
01:36:08,039 --> 01:36:11,760
Dallas for but we were talking Dallas's
perspective. I guess yeah. So no

1579
01:36:11,880 --> 01:36:15,479
multiple first round offers out there.
Those those are dead apparently. I think

1580
01:36:15,800 --> 01:36:17,520
as the closest we came with,
the Knicks gave up just because of those

1581
01:36:17,560 --> 01:36:20,439
two distant seconds and grinds, and
it wasn't even a true first round pick.

1582
01:36:21,520 --> 01:36:25,319
I'm to a first round pick changing
hands. I mean it's that Dallas

1583
01:36:25,319 --> 01:36:28,960
pick that twenty I met, like
to multiple first changing hands. Oh yeah,

1584
01:36:29,000 --> 01:36:31,399
I guess like nothing else for you
really even like bumps up against it

1585
01:36:31,560 --> 01:36:35,359
kind of amazing. To the Hawks's
point, I think I'm like, kind

1586
01:36:35,359 --> 01:36:39,640
of okay, not because they won
a few good games lately. I just

1587
01:36:39,760 --> 01:36:43,000
by the way I thought when I
saw Young got traded, I didn't see

1588
01:36:43,000 --> 01:36:45,039
the initial tweets, so they were
talking about fattyus. I was like,

1589
01:36:45,079 --> 01:36:49,319
Trey Young got traded the net.
So, but I would have I understand

1590
01:36:49,319 --> 01:36:54,239
not keeping Murray if the offers are
really because I think Murray's become vastly underrated.

1591
01:36:54,319 --> 01:36:57,760
I just the offers that were maybe
it was just counter reporting. I

1592
01:36:57,880 --> 01:37:00,000
was surprised, but like this could
fall under the line of the Kings is

1593
01:37:00,039 --> 01:37:04,000
like, so you couldn't have done
something where it's like given them Barns and

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then sweetened it just enough. Like
I would have probably done Barnes in a

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first for DeAndre Hunter, and that
would have been a better for you to

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protect the pick, but that would
have been a better fit for your roster

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in my opinion, I think it's
different for the Hawks than the Kings though,

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because the Hawks are well, I
don't know, they're not that far

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apart really relative to the competition in
their conferences. The Hawks are below,

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you know that, just to say
that, like the Kings should have felt

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more urgency just as an example to
do something than the Hawks, because the

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01:37:29,439 --> 01:37:33,520
Hawks season is in the shit are
basically betterment was selling versus buying, which

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01:37:33,560 --> 01:37:38,000
is a little bit different. I
just like it's weird that the Hawks didn't

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01:37:38,039 --> 01:37:41,119
like even get a rid of some
deep bay at this point. Are you

1605
01:37:41,119 --> 01:37:43,279
gonna pays a deep Bay? I
guess did they just look at it and

1606
01:37:43,279 --> 01:37:47,880
say, you know, we're only
two games out of ninth place and the

1607
01:37:47,960 --> 01:37:53,079
Raptors aren't going to catch us.
Yeah. I wonder, like just I

1608
01:37:53,119 --> 01:37:55,720
guess to wrap it on the Hawks, like they might have just looked at

1609
01:37:55,760 --> 01:37:59,920
things and said, like, there's
really no difference to us in a positive

1610
01:38:00,079 --> 01:38:03,520
way between doing something now and waiting
until the summer, because you're still gonna

1611
01:38:03,560 --> 01:38:06,279
have I mean, Bay is gonna
be restricted. Trying to think who else

1612
01:38:06,279 --> 01:38:09,960
they're just gonna like, hell,
the might get more valuable as in expiring

1613
01:38:10,000 --> 01:38:13,680
ah Kungu isn't poison pilled anymore.
So there's I Actually, they were just

1614
01:38:13,720 --> 01:38:16,239
so out there I expected them to
do something. Yeah, they I mean

1615
01:38:16,640 --> 01:38:21,319
hard to think if someone talked more
about than than Murray that I mean once

1616
01:38:21,399 --> 01:38:26,159
Levigne was hurt, like Murray was
just the guy. And before you take

1617
01:38:26,239 --> 01:38:28,079
us out of here, I'm just
gonna we didn't really talk about the Bulls.

1618
01:38:28,079 --> 01:38:30,359
But they're an unserious team. They
wanted to first for everybody, They

1619
01:38:30,359 --> 01:38:35,039
wanted eight second rounders for Andre Drummond. They are just such an unserious organization

1620
01:38:35,119 --> 01:38:40,239
and those fans should revolt that.
It's shameful what they're They want to remain

1621
01:38:40,279 --> 01:38:43,840
competitive. They're gonna be the billboard
of the play in for the next like

1622
01:38:44,199 --> 01:38:46,600
eighty years, and it's I'm honestly, I want like Demarta Rosen to escape

1623
01:38:46,880 --> 01:38:49,479
this summer just to like kind of
reinforce the point of but they might pay

1624
01:38:49,560 --> 01:38:51,960
him. It's probably gona get a
three ye hundred million dollar deal or something.

1625
01:38:53,039 --> 01:38:55,439
So that's why we didn't cover them, because we didn't. I didn't

1626
01:38:55,439 --> 01:38:59,239
expect them to do anything because they're
that fucking stupid. They started to telegraph

1627
01:38:59,319 --> 01:39:02,880
it both directly as the deadline got
really close, and then like indirectly by

1628
01:39:02,960 --> 01:39:08,319
just putting out these asks for guys
that we're just never gonna get met.

1629
01:39:08,600 --> 01:39:11,199
So yeah, we don't. We
don't need to discuss the bulls. We

1630
01:39:11,600 --> 01:39:14,960
understand the bulls completely. Everybody listening
to this does. There's not a lot.

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01:39:15,000 --> 01:39:15,600
Are you ready to take us out
of here? And I know you

1632
01:39:15,640 --> 01:39:18,520
are because you have to go,
Oh yeah, I do. Thanks everybody

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01:39:18,520 --> 01:39:24,359
for checking in on this live broadcast, Thanks for the comments, Thanks for

1634
01:39:24,640 --> 01:39:27,279
just enjoying the trade deadline with us. It's over, guys. We get

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01:39:27,319 --> 01:39:30,720
to talk about non trades for a
little while until we start talking about off

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01:39:30,720 --> 01:39:36,319
season trades, which will happen in
like a week probably. You know the

1637
01:39:36,399 --> 01:39:42,439
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1638
01:39:42,479 --> 01:39:45,439
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1639
01:39:45,479 --> 01:39:49,680
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1640
01:39:50,039 --> 01:39:55,680
Of course we'll get there. There's
an order to these things, even though

1641
01:39:55,720 --> 01:39:59,800
I forget it all the time.
The links for those are in the YouTube

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01:40:00,079 --> 01:40:03,319
guest descriptions. Thank you Dan,
Thank everybody else. Shout out to the

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one and only Frank Milakina and an
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