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The logos is the icon of Father, and man is the icon of God.

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The arts reflects the soul, the
spirit of the architecture reflects the soul

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the spirit. Because therefore you can
see the degeneracy. You can see the

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degradation and the loss of aesthetics,
the loss of the idea of it being

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harmony order symmetry in esthetics. It's
connected with the loss of a coherence,

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the loss of all. Right,
welcome everybody, Hopefully you can hear me

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good. I'll just going crazy today
Part two. So we're gonna keep this

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one kind of tight. We want
it to be brief. We want this

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one to be accessible, So we're
not gonna go super deep into a whole

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bunch of documents. We'll hit on
a few here. One of the things

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that I would point to is if
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that I did a couple of years
ago. We went really deep into that

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and that was about a three hour
stream. So if you want the fuller

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approach to the question of what exactly
is the full on Vatican One document of

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the papacy in terms of all the
constituent elements and parts. What's the necessary

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things that are there for the papacy
to be this the papacy typically there's you

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know, like most people will think
of the issue of infallibility, they'll think

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of the issue of oh, the
pope is, you know, the successor

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to Peter. But really the patrin
office is essentially four components. There's the

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the Peter himself who lives in presies
and judges and his successors. There's the

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universal premiacy doctrine that there's not any
person that he submits to. He's above

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the councils, he's above even you
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the pope doesn't the don't judge the
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The pope can unilaterally declared dogma,
the pope can unilaterally excommunicate, and

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that premiacy is immediate and divine.
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not mediated by it's not given him
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in time. And that's going to
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divino from the divine, it's not
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not by custom, it's not by
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or body. It's not granted to
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immediate, and divine Matthew sixteen.
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they say. The other two constituent
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it is the exercise of the Roman
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into the essential components of the office
in person of the Pope. Right,

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So it's not merely a collection of
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the person of Peter exercising, judging
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in Rome, so it's not another
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Rome. It's the sea in Rome. And it's the person, the living

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personal successor who is the occupant of
that throne. And all of those go

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together. All of those function in
a unity. And thus there's no invisible

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chair of Peter. There's no patrine
office that you can ignore. I'll just

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have my church here. We don't
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of those work, given the Vatican
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other points that emerge from Vatican One
are the ideas that the church can't lose

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in the Roman Catholic yew, the
church could never lose the papacy, could

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never lose any of those constituent elements
and fundamental parts, because if the Church

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were to lose those things, other
doctrines would then be compromised, such as

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the indefectibility of the office of the
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The unity of the Church would be
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papacy was not there. And so
we see then that it's not anything that

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could be squished into seta contism.
It's not anything that could be divorced from

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what's going on in Rome, because
you only in the Roman Catholic system have

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jurisdiction as a bishop or as a
priest. In the Roman Catholic scheme,

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you only have the office of the
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And that's not an ethereal made up
Rome. It's not the rom that you

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think is traditional. It's the one
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actually connected to the living guy sitting
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Catholics know that. You would think, yeah, duh, right, No,

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I mean, as we see,
we looked at some of the basic

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points that are made in the Abridged
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we notice how many places, just
within a few pages, Roman Catholics aren't

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consistent and they aren't faithful to typically
speaking, the basic principles and points that

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are made in that brief document.
So we will be reading the super chats

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as I get through these canons.
We're gonna jump to the cannons because I

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don't want to spend too long on
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bit, as I said at aught
in a little bit at Denzinger. But

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the main point is that and that
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One, that's the hinge, right, that's the foundation stone of the church

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is Peter and his successors, and
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yesterday's video, right that even the
abridged version knows that you can't pick and

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choose. So just to kind of
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talk, we're gonna look at Denzinger, and this should be Denzinger's sixteen eighty

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threet. Me make sure we get
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gonna look at sixteen eighty three,
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so we know here in this one
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those that don't know a lot of
these very few of these Roman Catholics have

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ever bought this book or read it
literally read it. They've just referenced it

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if they've even heard of it.
So if you don't know, it's the

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sources of Catholic dogma, Okay,
it's I mean the Vatican cites this book.

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I mean it's used as a source
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the Kurgan didn't know what it was. That doesn't matter, right. While

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in truth, now this is talking
about people who this is at the time

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of Attican one. This is talking
about people who think, well, I

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can just affirm the Roman Catholic doctrines
that I think are ex Cathedral. I

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don't have to listen to the other
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that that's not true. But we're
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here. While in truth, we
lawed these men and do praise because they

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professed the truth which necessarily arises from
their obligation to the Catholic faith. We

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wish to persuade ourselves that they do
not wish to continue the obligation by which

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Catholic teachers and writers are absolutely bound. Do you hear that theologians, SSPX,

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writers people out there we absolutely bound
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set forth in the infallible judgment of
the Church to be believed see also seventeen

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twenty two. And we persuade ourselves
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that these perfect, that the perfect
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absolutely necessary to attend a true progress
in the sciences into refute errors could be

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obtained if faith and obedience were given
only to the dogmas expressly defined. This

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is the very position they say,
I'm only bound by the expressly defined dogmas.

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For even if it were a matter
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manifested by an active mind faith,
nevertheless, it would not have to be

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limited to those matters which have been
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or their own pontiffs or the sea, but would have been extended. Also,

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the matters which are handed down is
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of the Church spread throughout the world. In other words, you are also

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bound to the ordinary teaching authority,
and therefore, by universal and common consent

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are held to be calic theologians to
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you want to be a calacic theologian
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are bound by the ordinary teaching,
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can be fallible. The universal ordinary
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but you're still bound to it.
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You could privately dissent if you think
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infallible teaching is an error, but
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the Church without ceasing to be Catholic
and becoming a schismatic. That's what this

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is saying clearly right there, condemnation
of a gigantic portion of the trad approach,

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which you hear as a mantra on
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by what the Pope himself and the
church dogmatically defines. That literally, condemns

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the position that you're only bound by
specific dogmatic definitions. That's dog Do you

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understand it's not that hard. Sixteen
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go down to that. Nor do
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is liberalism in the eighteen hundreds,
right openly in publicly the axiom and the

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principle of heretics which so many perverse
opinions, errors and arise, where they

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repeatedly say the ecclesiastic power is not, by divine right distinct from an independent

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from the civil power, and that
the distinction and independence of that sin could

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not be preserved without the essential rights
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by the Church, as so much
church and state. And we cannot pass

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over in silence the boldness of those
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sin, without sin, and with
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withhold assent and obedience, assent and
obedience to the judgments and decrees. Does

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it say just the ex cathedral doctrines? Does it say only ecumenical councils?

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Does it say I only have to
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no judgments in decrees, and obedience
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See, whose object is declared to
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Church and its rights and disciplines,
rights and disciplines, provided it does not

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touch the dogmas of faith or morals. So that's the quote, I'm only

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bound to give a cent and judgment
to those things. There is no one

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who's not seen understand clearly how openly
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and of the plenary power divinely bestowed
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So he does not get his power
by the councils, by the Church,

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by anybody other than Christ himself.
It's direct to feed, rule and govern

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the universal Church. Again, the
non Catholic theologians who think they're Catholic literally

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exactly what eighty ninety percent of the
trads and the servant and novasortos think.

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You're not sinning and you don't lose
your faith. Quote if you withhold this

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assent and obedience to judgments and decrees
of the Apostolic See, that you declare

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to be not correct. Right,
if it doesn't touch on the dogmas of

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faith and morals, I don't have
to follow it if I judge it to

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be wrong. You could literally copy
and paste this quote from the liberal theologies

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of the eighteen hundreds, and it
would be the very copy paste phrase that

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ninety eighty ninety percent of conservative and
traditional Catholics literally repeat. I'm only bound

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by the Pope's moral excuse me,
dogmatic and dogmatic statements and infallible statements.

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I'm not bound to decrees, judgments, disciplines. Yes you are. And

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there's one more seventeen ninety two.
Hopefully everybody can see this, right?

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Is it legible? Can you read
it? So? Again? The point

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here is not You may think,
oh, this is just refuting set of

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a contest or SSPX. No.
Do you understand that a gigantic portion of

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the Roman Catholic world now believes that
they can disagree with Francis as they will.

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They don't have to accept the teaching
of his ncyclicals, which is ordinary.

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Teaching doesn't matter even if it's ordinary
universal or ordinary non universal. It

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still comes from the Apostolic see with
his teaching authority which is ordinary, which

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you still owe obedience to even if
you disagree, but if an encyclical expresses

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the constant teaching of the Church,
which is totally ambiguous, vague, right,

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I mean, part of the reason
this works is because of the so

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called principles that you judge everything by
are so vague that they presuppose a standard

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in a category themselves, right,
which they don't actually give. So this

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is what allows the Catholics to justify
they're playing hard and fast with what they

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have to accept and what they don't
have to accept. This is why every

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different Roman Catholic has a different list, and there is no list of what

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the actual dogmas are, because this
isn't the whole list, This doesn't have

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canon law in it, and you
have to follow canon law. Right.

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The object of faith further by defining
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be believed, which are contained in
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and those proposed by the Church,
either in a solemn pronouncement or in her

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universal ordinary, in her ordinary and
universal teaching power, are to be divinely

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revealed. And that was the quote
from Vatican One that we saw earlier.

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So as we saw in octorum fide
as we see in these at the time

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of Vatican one, these three examples. You do not have the right,

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you don't have the authority, You
don't have the ability to pick and choose

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amongst the various teachings, disciplines,
decrees, rights, et cetera, which

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things you will accept, even with
the delineation between No. I mean,

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so I'm not going to go into
Albrecht. He's a waste of time.

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The guy is a clown. He
doesn't what he does is and he's done

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this multiple times. He just says, okay, we'll set up a debate,

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and then he yells at you for
an hour, calls you a clown,

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a fraud, knowing that you're not
going to want to interact with him.

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And then when he acts like that
and you're like, all right,

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uninteracting with you, then he says
you won't debate. I mean, I've

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shared the tweets multiple times from twenty
eighteen twenty nineteen trying to get this guy

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to do it, and he just
postpones. And he says, I've never

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postponed. I never postponed. Yeah, okay, whatever, I don't even

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I don't have to waste my time
on all bricked. That guy is not

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worth anybody's time, so he can
debate other people whatever anyway. We see

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then that it's clear. The main
point here is that again, even if

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you find within these documents and notice
that the principles of ordinary and universal ordinary

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don't tell you, actually, when
you're reading through all the documents what's what?

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That becomes something that you have to
judge. Right, that becomes your

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judgment. But as a fallible lay
person, how do I know that I'm

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correctly putting into what ben they go? Right? As I'm reading through an

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encyclical and I'm saying, oh,
this section looks like this is something that

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the Church has always taught. Well, the Church has always taught That's ambiguous,

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right, And that assumes that you, as the individual Catholic reading the

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document, knows that that's what the
Church has always taught. So it doesn't

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really tell you anything these kinds of
phrases. So essentially these are useless criteria

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because they don't tell you exactly or
what is and isn't dogma. It then

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becomes your job reading through the piles
of documents to put them into the right

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bin, And that begs the question
because the whole purpose of this was I'm

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supposed to be exempted from relying on
individual interpretation. Oh really, Catholics don't

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do this kind of picking and choosing. Catholics don't rely on their own understanding

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of the text that they're reading the
papal text. And that's why Albrick and

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Obara and these people don't know anything
about pistemology. They can't answer basic epistemological

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questions. Even Trent Horn, who's
about ten times better than Albrecht, was

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confused and couldn't answer these questions.
Now we know Albrich doesn't know anything about

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philosophy at all, doesn't know anything
about epistemology. And so if Trent,

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who actually has had some classes in
those things, can't answer those questions,

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do you think any of that clown
trip can answer epistemological questions. No?

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And that's why Albreck thinks that Matt
Slick won the debate with Father Deacon.

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I'm not joking. He tweets that
Matt Slick, who says that I know

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that the scriptures are true because I
cried when I read him, he thinks

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that's an epistemic justification. So that's
the tear of person that you're dealing with

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with Albrecht. And so no,
I'm not gonna waste my time with somebody

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who with no philosophical training at all, totally incoherent ideas about what justification even

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means and is just a clown.
If we're already debating Trent Horn and people

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at that level and caliber and Trent
lost, why would I waste my time

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with a goober who has about one
tenth the education of Trent honestly, come

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on. So the point here is
that, as is obvious from the criteria,

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which there are criteria for the different
levels of dogma and Roman Catholicism,

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the criteria don't tell you actually,
in fact, what the application to these

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massive piles of dogmas, of books, encyclicals and decrees actually is. So

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then it becomes you, the individual
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I've got piles, stacks and shelves
over here the Roman Catholics, Okay,

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tons of papal, tons of Vatican
two documents and decrees, the two

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volume ten around Alberigo set on the
Ecumenical councils thousands of pages. Vatican two

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itself nine hundred pages, papal encyclicals
itself, the set hundreds of pages,

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thousands of pages. Within all of
those, you're going to find many,

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many things that qualify as not just
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and ordinary teaching which you owe obedience
to. Is that not clear from the

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documents that we've read? Now,
the individual Catholic is in the same boat

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as an Orthodox person, and they're
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We just have different books we're going
through. But you're no better bout.

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You're in no epistemically privileged position because
you have pope, because it doesn't

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actually tell you as you're reading to
the documents which sections and teachings in the

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documents go in which ben that's up
to you. Hope you can figure it

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out, dude, good luck.
Here is your role playing game quest map.

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Good luck, have fun. Hopefully
you can figure it out. Here's

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your gigantic shelf full of books.
Better get to work. So, being

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the spergatron i am, I spent
a lot of years on this stupid role

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playing quest, LARPing role playing quest
of traditional Roman Catholicism, of winding one's

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way through all of this nonsense,
which was supposed to be ironically avoided and

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solved the office of the papacy.
Does it look like the office of the

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papacy solves just just take the section
of Francis's papacy. Does that look like

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it's solving for anyone problems in the
church? Or is Francis in fact splitting

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the church, running away all of
the Latin Mass fans, all the traditional

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fans, all the most diehard Catholics, the Catholics that would be willing to

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die for Catholicism. He is pushing
out of the church. So the very

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guy who's supposed to be the foundation
stone of the church. In terms of

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the living magisterium, yes, the
living magisterium. Magisterium isn't just a list

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of doctrines. It's a living embodiment
in the bishops in communion with the pope.

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The pope is the living magisterium par
excellence, and thus, via the

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Vatican One view, he is the
judge of tradition. You don't read through

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the books and tell him when he's
not in accord with tradition. He determines

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what is the correct interpretation of the
tradition. And this is what Roman Catholics

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don't understand. And what none of
the goober's over at reason that theology understand.

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And if they'd had a class or
two in semiotics or philosophy of signs

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and symbols, they would know that
texts require interpretations. They don't just mean

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what they say and say what they
mean. That's a Protestant view. Protestants

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think, I just read the Bible
and it means what it says, and

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it says what it means. The
Bible don't require interpretation. And what does

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the Roman Catholic do. He's no
different than the Protestant because he thinks that

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I just read the papal decrees.
Oh, I'll go to dudes, read

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the papal decrease. Jay, why
can't you just read the papal decrease?

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That's my bar impression. Now,
if I start doing in Barra impressions,

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this dream is going to be four
hours because he will do Legit talks in

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point five speed, perhaps point one
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point three I don't know. So
again, the practic they always because they

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always love to go to the practical
point, right. The practical point is

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that the papacy solves all these practical
problems of the Protestant world. But in

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fact, not only does it not
do that, it actually compounds things because

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now instead of just reading the Book
of the Bible, that's that's the one

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book. So if I'm Protestant man, this is the thing I'm trying to

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decode right for my life, to
give it meaning and to understand everything.

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So I've only got a few thousand
pages here. Now, if I'm Papacy

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man, I got to start with
just this, which is at least as

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big as the Bible. And to
even understand Densinger, I'm gonna have to

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read a lot of other books.
Right, I'm gonna have to know a

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lot about church history. Then i'n'na
have to dig into Tanner and Alberta go

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Go's two thousand page history documents of
the Ecumenical Councils. You see, so

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I want to know the dogmas,
let me let's show you these A lot

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people don't even know these exist.
Okay, this is the decrees of the

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Ecumenical Councils, Okay, by Tanner
and Alberta. Go This is the official

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sort of most scholarly Roman Catholic right, like two three hundred dollars set that

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I bought many many years ago.
This is volume one, Volume one,

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seven hundred pages volume one, okay, Volume two, Volume two of Tanner

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and Albera mean pages of that one
one three and twenty nine okay, so

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there's two thousand pages for ecumenical councils. So now, good luck, better

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start to reading. But that's not
all you got to read do because guess

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what, papal and cyclicals are a
big deal, and they're up there on

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the top. I'm not going to
get those down. But if you just

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want to skip, maybe you want
to skip past reading all the encyclicals,

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even though you can't do that because
they also contain miles and miles and miles

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of documents worth of ordinary magisterium ordinary
teaching, which you're also bound by.

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I mean, I can go get
my Leo's and cyclicals down, right,

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I can go get the popes against
the modern error in cyclicals, right,

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But many of those are actually repeated
in Densinger. So just to be nice

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to you, we could give you
the shortcut through densing Er if you want

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so, right, there's three thousand
pays. Let's just take that, right,

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So let's be nice to you and
say, even though you do have

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to read the papal and cyclicals,
if you really wanted to be consistent with

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the position of knowing all of the
ordinary teaching, both universal and non universal,

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you'd have to read all those things. You have to read the acts

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of the Apostolic see are you Are
you reading it? You better get started

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Roman Catholics. If you want to
do this consistently, you're going to operate

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on this principle, you better be
reading through these books now. As you're

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reading through these mountains of books here
this whole time, Let's say it takes

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you two years to read through I
don't know, these thousands and thousands of

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pages. We'll say five thousand pages. And let's say it takes you,

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I don't know, two three years. Are you sure as you read through

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these that you understand what you're reading? Don't you have to have kind of

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bit of a good bit of prior
Roman Catholic theology and church history to even

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understand what's going on in these gigantic
books. Well of course, okay,

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so actually you're gonna need a lot
more time, right just to be able

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to grasp this. So and by
the way, the same would extend to

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the Protestant too, right, Like
I mean people that just pick up the

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Bible, right, they can't understand. And by the way, you can

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read all these papal documents, don't
you also have to read this one too?

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Because the papal documents in the church's
teachings, what are those? Oh

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they're partially interpretations of this, aren't
they. So this is the original source

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document, right, and here's your
papal footnotes on that, right. But

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don't you also kind of have to
read some of the church fathers. Oh

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yeah, but that's another thirty eight
volumes just in the chaft set, right,

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So you better get the reading,
dude. But as the Catholic reads

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through these, are you seriously going
to tell me that he's not interpreting these

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texts? I mean this is literally
how they act with this. They act

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like, no, I'm not interpreting
it, I'm just reading it, dude,

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Are you really? I mean,
they don't understand what their position entails,

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right, It's not just I just
read a few councils and read a

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few papal dogmas and I've got it
figured it out, right, It's all

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in the bag. The papal teaching
is in the midst of all of these

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vast archives and troves of documents,
and for you to know it, unless

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you magically have osmosis, you're gonna
have to start reading it. Basically is

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going to require a THHD or a
PhD to say, I understand Caloic theology.

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But does Roman Catholicism teach that when
you get a PhD or a THHD

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you're infallible? Oh no, you're
an errant, fallible lay person still,

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even if you become a priest,
even if you teach theology. So the

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irony of this is that they've completely
missed the point and shot themselves in the

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foot by affirming the classical foundationalists epistemology, that is the Roman Catholic epistemology that

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I just look at the evidence.
This is the approach of a barrow,

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right, just look at the evidence. Just look at church history. What

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do we see as if there's not
an interpretation of the events and the books

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and the documents and the liturgy.
It's just so inane, it's childish and

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stupid. So with that in mind, we understand that this really does not

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do what it's supposed to do.
The whole point of the papacy was the

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way to do rest all these issues, the way to not have the problem

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of the individual has to reinvent the
wheel. But when we come into the

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last seventy years of Rome Catholicism post
Vatican Two, everything is in chaos.

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The Church is in decline, the
Church is in a revolution from the top

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down, right, I had chili, got chili in my teeth. And

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so the point is just simply that
the last sixty seventy years is the greatest

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testament that the world could ask for
to see if this office actually achieves and

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does what it's supposed to. And
so literally every one of those objections of

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Lofton of a Bara about the Orthodox
Church one hundredfold was back on their own

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head, because all they do is
sit there and say Orthodox ain't got no

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way to resolve things. I mean, there was just a schism resolve two

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weeks ago in the news. So
how did that occur? If there's no

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way to resolve things? How is
it the case? As Ratzinger says that

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the Orthodox East has retained the faith
for the last thousand years, Wait a

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minute. If we've maintained the faith
for the last thousand years without the pope

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and the office of the pope,
then we don't need the pope. That's

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the point, you see. And
their whole argument is that we must have

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the pope to maintain the faith,
to have certainty, to have unity,

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to have the How can we how
could the orthodoxies maintain the faith without the

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cornerstone of the faith. It's just
ridiculous. And what does satist Cognitum,

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which is of course one of the
famous papal encyclicals about the office of the

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papacy, what does it say about
departing from doctrines. Let's see what Leo

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the thirteenth says. The practice of
the Church has always been the same as

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a shown in unanimous teaching of the
fathers who were wont to, who were

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wont to hold outside Catholic communion an
alien to the Church. Whoever would recede

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in the least degree from any point
of doctrine proposed by her authoritative magistarian Epiphanius

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Augustin Theodore Dripp. Long list of
heresies. So did you see that?

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And then it goes on to say, no one who merely disbelieves in all

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of these heresies can for that reason
call himself a Catholic, or himself won

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for then maybe arisees some new heresy
which is not in this work of ours.

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And if he holds to one single
one of these, he is not

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a Catholic. Accuoding Saint Augustine.
Does that say that I can pick and

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choose amongst the papal teaching? Now? What did we just read in Denzinger?

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Denzinger says that you have to believe
all of the teachings. What was

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it sixteen eighty nine it said that
you can't be or was it eighty three?

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Oh, here's another one condemned proposition
seventeen twenty two. The obligation of

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Catholic teachers and writers are absolutely bound, is restricted only to the matters proposed

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by the infallible judgment of the Church, believed by all the dogmas condemned.

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Do you understand that's a condemned proposition
of the modernist I am only obliged and

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bound to what is dogmatic and infallible, condemned. This is this syllabus of

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errors. Syllabus of errors is in
Denzinger. Goobers. Now, if I'm

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not restricted to ex cathedra as a
Roman Catholic and I have to believe everything

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that's proposed, including ordinary, including
disciplinary matters, including the rights and judgments

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of the Church. Then am I
a Roman Catholic? If I say,

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if I'm condemned by seventeen twenty two, as ninety percent of the Trads and

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conservative novs ortos are because they say
they don't have to follow Francis's ordinary teaching?

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Are they Catholics? What does Leo
say the practice of the Church as

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shown by the animus teaching the fathers
or want to hold as outside Catholic communion

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an alien to the Church. Whoever
recedes in the least degree from any point

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of doctrine proposed by the magistarium and
one point of dissent from doctrine makes you

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not a Catholic? Do you understand? I know some of Roman clitics a

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little slow. I have to repeat
the arguments ten times sometimes for some of

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you guys. I know Eric thinks
and talks in slow motion. So if

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you affirm seventeen twenty two that you're
only bound by what's infallible, as many

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Trads and Saytas do, then you're
condemned because you deny dogma seventeen twenty two.

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If I deny Dogma seventeen twenty two
in Denzinger, am I still in

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church? According to Southeast cognitum,
No, it's called ipsel facto excommunication,

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the same penalty for an abrashun if
you know what I mean. In Roman

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cathout theology, I don't have to
be condemned by an ecumenical council for procuring

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an abro a bromtion. And I'm
speaking that way because of algorithms. So

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when this comes up, what do
they all say? Well, even if

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the pope fell into here the uh
or even if somebody is a Catholic that's

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a hero it it takes the ecumenical
council to define it and to excommunicate them.

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Yeah, does Vatican one say that
a ecumenical council is above a pope,

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that a council can dethrone a pope. No, it condemns that position.

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It says that the pope is superior
to all councils. In fact,

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there is no council without the ratification
of the Pope. That's the teaching a

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Vatican One. Now there's another encyclical
I'm gonna spare you. It makes the

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exact same point as satist Cognitum mestichi
corporus of Pius the twelfth. You can

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go read that if you're really bored, and it basically says the exact same

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thing that to cease to be Catholic
does not require you to be condemned in

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writing by a bishop, or by
the pope or by an ecumenical council.

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To cease to be Catholic is to
dissent from doctrines in any point. Even

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one dogma, according to Leo,
is enough to remove you from the society

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of the Catholic Church, because all
things divinely revealed and appointed must be believed,

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and you must submit to the rights, decisions, decrees, and disciplines

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of the Roman See, including excommunications. So literally, the SSPX are in

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schism by Vatican one's definition, and
they lie to themselves and make up things

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to say that they're not. They
think they can judge the Pope. So

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with that, that's the part two, or that's the last part of what

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we wanted to talk about in regard
to Vatican one and what am I actually

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bound by? What is the actual
Vatican one doctrine in Rome Catholicism? Is

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it? What Ibarra thinks. Is
it what Lafton thinks? And we see

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that the documents make it very clear. Is it what the set of a

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contest think? Is it what the
SSPX thinks. It doesn't matter. I'm

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all of these groups I'm talking about, All of these groups are wrong.

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Why because the system is wrong.
Because the problem is Vatican won and the

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Vatican One is actually an implementation into
the Church of European humanism. And if

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you want to read more on that, you can read Saint Justin Popovitch's book

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Orthodox Faith and Life in Christ,
where he has multiple chapters demonstrating, proving,

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arguing how it is the case that
the papacy is not a protector of

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tradition, it is the essence of
autonomous humanism in the Church. Now we

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want to come to the real meat
of this here, and the point of

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today. Tonight's dream was to do
a run through in terms of what we

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saw yesterday and what we see now
in Vatican and Vatican two, excuse me,

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Vatican one regarding the what exactly the
teaching was right. So let's let's

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remind ourselves in the abridged statement here
of what the claim was. You guys,

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can see that right right, For
no one can be in doubt.

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Indeed, that it was known in
every age that the Most Holy blessed Peter

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Prince and had the apostles, pillar
of faith and foundation of the church,

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receie the keys of the kingdon from
the Lord the Savior, redeming human race,

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and that to this day he forever
lives and presides and exercise the judgment,

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and his successors, the bishops of
the Roman see which he found in

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consecrated with his blood. Therefore,
so the next argument is premised on two.

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Whoever succeeds to that chair is the
head whole church and is the rock.

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Right, That's the next link in
this chain. Now, what they

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did there was take a section of
Ephesus and one of the statements by one

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of the priests at Ephesus, the
Legate, and then they took a section

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out of something that Pope Saint Leo
said, and they creatively pasted the two

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together. Not to imply that Rome
has honor or that Rome was first in

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the seas. No, no,
no, because no one disagrees with that.

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This was creatively pasted together to give
the impression that in the councils of

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Ephesus and Chalcidon. It was the
universally known truth that the doctrines of Vatican

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One are the case. That's what
this is implying, because it goes on

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to link this chain one, two, three, four of argumentation to the

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prior argumentation. So it's just sort
of here's a quote from Ephesis and here's

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a quote from Leo. Let me
stream them together, and look, here

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we begin. We can read the
Vatican one position here. Now, wait

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a minute. If Vatican one's view
is the case in every age, that's

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what this is saying, and that
Peter is the head of the church and

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this is known in all these ages, he's the rock et cetera, then

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we would expect to see that attitude
consistent in the councils. Now, again,

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the point is not to debate,
because I have to repeat that.

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I'm apologize to the guys that are
listening where I have to repeat this stuff

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because for the slow boys out of
there, we gotta repeat it again because

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00:47:59,599 --> 00:48:04,159
they won't don't listen, and they
will say. The first thing they're going

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00:48:04,239 --> 00:48:08,719
to say is Kenji councils aren't infamible. Did I say the canons the councils

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00:48:08,719 --> 00:48:15,199
are infallible. No, did not
make that argument. The argument is that

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the canons reflect the mind of the
Church in each of these centuries, and

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so the canons not just the dogmatic
decrees of the councils. The canons are

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also important because those canons tell us
the mindset of the Church on a host

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of issues in the church. And
thus, because this document is arguing that

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the Vatican One mindset, attitude,
and position was always known in the Church

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in every age, that's the line
of argumentation it's making there. We should

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expect to see that when the Church
expresses its mind collectively in ecumenical councils.

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Do we see that? I'm not
saying, I'm not asking do we see

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a place of canonical privilege and honor
for the Roman Sea? That's not what

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I said. Do we see the
Vatican One view in every ecumenical council?

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Because that's what that says we should
that's the expectation. They have the burden

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a proof because of what they claim
that that's the expectation in every age.

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Do we have that? Do we
see that? Absolutely not? Every council

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has multiple canons which do not support
that view, and in fact, directly

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00:49:47,079 --> 00:49:52,960
contradict that view. So has nothing
to do with whether the canons are infallible.

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The canons simply show and demonstrate the
mindset of the Church in each of

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these centuries, the Ecumenical Council's Canons, that essentially the entire Church in every

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one of these periods enacts things that
contradict and go against the Vatican one.

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Do you do you understand Roman Catholics. I'm making this really clear as clear

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as I can. And if you
if you come at me and say that

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the canons aren't infallible, I'm just
gonna block you because I don't know how

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00:50:27,880 --> 00:50:34,719
many times I have to explain this. That's not the argument. The burden

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of proof was on you guys to
demonstrate these hefty, hefty claims. Extraordinary

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00:50:40,639 --> 00:50:50,480
claims require extraordinary proofs and evidence.
So then why is it in each council,

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in these canons that we're about to
read all the way through. We're

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gonna read them. Okay, strap
yourselves in, because if we just have

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to do this, because these people
are so lazy, most of them,

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00:51:00,719 --> 00:51:04,599
they're never going to do this,
So we're going to do it. You

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00:51:04,639 --> 00:51:13,079
want to be lazy we'll read them
for you. Why are we seeing canons

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00:51:13,079 --> 00:51:17,159
in each of these councils reflecting the
mind of the Church at that time,

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00:51:19,440 --> 00:51:24,960
directly contrary, contradicting, and making
absolutely no sense with the claim that this

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00:51:25,039 --> 00:51:29,079
is the case in all of these
ages. And as we're going to see

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00:51:29,079 --> 00:51:31,800
in a moment, many Roman Catholic
theologians and scholars at the time of Vatican

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00:51:31,800 --> 00:51:37,440
One, before and after we're well
aware of this. So how do they

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00:51:37,920 --> 00:51:42,000
deal with that? Well, as
you're going to see from ludwigats, it

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00:51:42,079 --> 00:51:47,079
is a doctrine that evolves and develops
exactly Now, Wait a minute, Wait

514
00:51:47,119 --> 00:51:55,360
a minute, how does doctrinal development
get us to the outlandish extreme claims of

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00:51:55,400 --> 00:52:06,159
Vatican One? When Vatican One says
no one can be indeed being doubt that

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00:52:06,280 --> 00:52:09,679
in every age these views of Vatican
One were known to be the case.

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00:52:12,760 --> 00:52:17,480
Again, logic, realman Catholics,
are you familiar with this? These are

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00:52:17,559 --> 00:52:22,599
mutually exclusive claims. It cannot be
the case at the same time that it

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00:52:22,679 --> 00:52:29,800
was universally known in every age that
the Vatican One attitude and views are what

520
00:52:29,840 --> 00:52:36,880
they are. But it's also something
that was unclear and developed on the basis

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of a lot of implications. I
think that's the word that ought uses,

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which we'll look at here in a
minute. It's phrasing like that, right,

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okay, So those are mutually exclusive
claims. And this is for so

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00:52:50,480 --> 00:52:52,280
I said, while you listen to
a borrow. He says, oh,

525
00:52:52,360 --> 00:52:57,880
well, the doctrine of icons is
a development that wasn't in the early Church.

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00:52:58,760 --> 00:53:00,880
You know, the principle of iconography
is in the early Church. It

527
00:53:00,920 --> 00:53:05,840
is not a development, And in
fact, the Seventh Council argues that it

528
00:53:05,880 --> 00:53:13,239
was always the truth that the Church
had forms of iconography. So he's confusing

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00:53:13,719 --> 00:53:17,639
clarifying doctrines, which is the Apostolic
faith with it, which is full,

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00:53:17,719 --> 00:53:22,639
complete and entire handed down. So
evolution, we don't need new doctrines.

531
00:53:23,280 --> 00:53:30,199
We don't need made up things.
The faith is whole and complete, given

532
00:53:30,239 --> 00:53:36,920
by the Apostles. Is that not
obvious? Of course it is. I

533
00:53:36,920 --> 00:53:39,519
mean, when the Church condemns an
Astorianism, is it making up new doctrines.

534
00:53:40,400 --> 00:53:45,639
No, it's just clarifying what was
already handed down that the New Testament

535
00:53:45,920 --> 00:53:51,000
writers and the Apostles and their successors
don't teach the Nestorianism. It's not a

536
00:53:51,039 --> 00:53:53,960
new evolving doctrine. But this is
the nonsense that these people have to go

537
00:53:54,039 --> 00:54:00,320
to to prove papal supremacy. Now, the irony is that the concer it

538
00:54:00,440 --> 00:54:07,760
is supposedly who wanted to defend Ultramontanism
and the strong you know, papal claims

539
00:54:07,760 --> 00:54:15,440
about it caan one. We're utilizing
the very idea of development that the liberals

540
00:54:15,599 --> 00:54:21,000
and modernists would flip on their head. They would be like, what it

541
00:54:21,079 --> 00:54:24,239
meant? You guys can use doctrinal
development, why can't we modernists and liberals

542
00:54:24,320 --> 00:54:34,119
use it? I have some of
the books of the late eighteen hundreds early

543
00:54:34,199 --> 00:54:43,039
nineteen hundreds Roman Catholic modernists, and
their argument is that, so if doctrine

544
00:54:43,199 --> 00:54:50,760
develops, then why can't it develop
in the liberal way? And it doesn't

545
00:54:50,800 --> 00:54:55,599
work to do the circular argument that
well, the papacy developed so that it

546
00:54:55,679 --> 00:55:04,639
could condemn the doctrine of development,
like Pacendi and Lamentabiley and Murrarii vass.

547
00:55:05,079 --> 00:55:08,199
Wait a minute, So doctrine develops
and that's where we get the papacy.

548
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But the papacy condemns the idea of
doctrinal development in Maurrai Voss, Lamentabiley son

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and Pachndi Dominici grazes. What.
By the way, if you would hit

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like and share, be sure and
use the stream labs link. I forgot

551
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to put it in this show,
but you can leave a super chat via

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the soup the stream labs link,
so as you see there Jethro put that.

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Thank you very much, jeth Throw
He's always good, as well as

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our awesome mods there to include that
link if you want to ask you a

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00:55:49,119 --> 00:55:53,039
question. Uh so we'll get to
those in a second. But now again

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the refresher, because a lot of
people may not even watch yesterday's stream.

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They may just see this one who
knows. But this is what is the

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burden of proof. Now we're going
to go to the canons. So let's

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00:56:04,159 --> 00:56:08,760
go to specifically the canons in each
council, which pose a problem for this

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00:56:09,320 --> 00:56:15,760
hefty claim, this hefty burden which
they have taken upon themselves by saying that

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this was true in every age,
in every case, and we always knew

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00:56:17,199 --> 00:56:21,159
this was so, and everybody knew
it. But by the way, the

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00:56:21,199 --> 00:56:24,079
Pope just didn't use this power that
was there latent, which could have made

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a lot of things really easy.
Because everybody believed it and knew it.

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00:56:28,639 --> 00:56:31,880
But you know, Leo submits his
letter to Ephesus to be examined for five

566
00:56:31,960 --> 00:56:37,760
days to see if it matches up
to Saint Cyril. But Ibara, who

567
00:56:37,800 --> 00:56:43,159
plagiarized and said that this was ex
Cathedra and then reversed his position and deleted

568
00:56:43,159 --> 00:56:47,559
his stuff calling it ex Cathedra,
was super quiet about that. Oops.

569
00:56:50,400 --> 00:56:53,800
And you wonder why he kind of
faded into oblivion and won't talk to Ubi.

570
00:56:53,800 --> 00:56:58,039
It is because Ubi humiliated him so
many times, and that's why they

571
00:56:58,039 --> 00:57:01,920
won't debate Ubi. So they do
the same thing where they scream as they

572
00:57:01,960 --> 00:57:07,079
stab you. They he cries out. The scamurai cries out as he stabs

573
00:57:07,119 --> 00:57:15,280
you, and you know, as
he's in pain stabbing you. Yes,

574
00:57:15,639 --> 00:57:22,079
and I'm saying Loten with his samurai
katana sword performance art or, I don't

575
00:57:22,079 --> 00:57:28,719
know what he's doing. Uh,
he is the scamurai. That was a

576
00:57:28,719 --> 00:57:32,239
great name for him. So Nicea
Canon four it is by all means desirable.

577
00:57:32,400 --> 00:57:37,039
So this is of course the first
Ecumenical Council, and the canons of

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Nicea are very important for just showing
that the attitude obviously at the first Secumentical

579
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council certainly does not match up to
Vatican one's claims. And remember, remember

580
00:57:52,199 --> 00:57:59,079
what's the contradictory claim here? It
is that I lost my Vatican one thing.

581
00:57:59,119 --> 00:58:04,719
Where do you go? People knew
this in every age and it was

582
00:58:04,760 --> 00:58:13,920
always the case, right, remember
that canon, for it is by all

583
00:58:13,960 --> 00:58:16,559
means desirable that a bishop should be
appointed by the bishops of the province.

584
00:58:16,960 --> 00:58:21,920
Uh oh, But if this is
difficult because of some pressing necessity on the

585
00:58:21,960 --> 00:58:24,639
length of the journey involved, let
at least three bishops come together and perform

586
00:58:24,679 --> 00:58:30,599
the ordination. Where does this say
anything about the pope affirming and confirming all

587
00:58:30,599 --> 00:58:32,320
the bishops in the world. Did
you know? That's the Roman calou got

588
00:58:32,400 --> 00:58:37,760
right? In the second millennium that
becomes the norm. So wait a minute,

589
00:58:37,920 --> 00:58:45,000
So it's not necessary. So nobody
saw fit to mention a fundamental Second

590
00:58:45,039 --> 00:58:50,760
Millennium principle for Romantholicism in the midst
of the first most important ecomenical council,

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which was called by the emperor and
not by the pope. All the ecomitical

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00:58:53,880 --> 00:58:58,280
councils are called by emperors, not
by popes, which itself is a testament

593
00:58:58,320 --> 00:59:02,719
to the fact that they did not
have the Vatican One mindset. But each

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00:59:02,719 --> 00:59:07,159
in the province, the right of
the confirming and proceedings belongs to the metropolitan

595
00:59:07,199 --> 00:59:13,360
bishop in each province. Does it
say, with the affirmation of the Bishop

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00:59:13,360 --> 00:59:15,719
of Rome. No, did you
realize? Do you realize that in the

597
00:59:15,880 --> 00:59:21,199
Orthodox Church it still operates this way. The Moscow patriarch it signs off on

598
00:59:21,559 --> 00:59:25,880
who's ordained in his jurisdiction. That's
what Canon for is saying, still operating

599
00:59:25,880 --> 00:59:30,400
in this way. The Roman Catholic
Church innovated and does not do it this

600
00:59:30,440 --> 00:59:35,719
way. Bishops must be elected by
as the Seraphim in the discord wrote a

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00:59:35,719 --> 00:59:40,920
great note. The notes here are
from our great apologist Seraphim. Bishops must

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00:59:40,920 --> 00:59:45,840
be elected by other bishops of the
region. No pope is involved. This

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00:59:45,920 --> 00:59:50,760
is contrary the contary contemporary Romeancholic practice. Because put be responsible the election of

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00:59:50,800 --> 00:59:53,440
every bishop in the world. He
signs it off. Now, I'm sure

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00:59:53,480 --> 00:59:57,159
most of you have heard of Canon
six, if you've heard of anything to

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00:59:57,199 --> 01:00:00,079
do with this stuff. Of course, it is clearly the case that it

607
01:00:00,119 --> 01:00:05,480
is affirming. That is, the
custom does not mention divine law. It

608
01:00:05,559 --> 01:00:09,679
mentions the custom of Egypt, Libya, and Pantapolis to be maintained according to

609
01:00:09,719 --> 01:00:14,800
which the Bishop of Alexandria has authority
over these places. In a similar custom

610
01:00:14,800 --> 01:00:17,000
it exists with reference to the Bishop
of Rome. Do you see that?

611
01:00:17,000 --> 01:00:22,800
That is comparing the limited jurisdiction of
Rome to the limited jurisdiction of Alexandria.

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01:00:22,039 --> 01:00:25,719
Now, what's the Roman Catholic retort
to this? Can you guess? Well,

613
01:00:25,719 --> 01:00:31,480
they're just assuming that he has the
universal premacy. They just don't even

614
01:00:31,559 --> 01:00:37,039
see fit to mention it. What
was Canon four? Canon four contradicted universal

615
01:00:37,039 --> 01:00:45,000
supremacy. So the Roman Catholic argument
that Canon six presupposes universal supremacy is completely

616
01:00:45,039 --> 01:00:52,320
destroyed by Canon four because clearly it
does not affirm universal supremacy. The jurisdiction

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01:00:52,599 --> 01:01:02,519
of each region is who is involved
in the ordination of bishops in that region,

618
01:01:06,199 --> 01:01:13,159
and following with that tradition of limited
jurisdiction. The traditions the customs,

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not divine law. The customs refer
to the comparison of jurisdictions between Rome,

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01:01:25,920 --> 01:01:32,880
Alexandria, and Antioch. Seraphim says, a bishop has jurisdiction over territory.

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The defining territories are a custom of
the Church. The metropolitan the region must

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01:01:38,400 --> 01:01:43,800
consent to the ordination. Nothing to
do with Roman supremacy. Again, Roman

623
01:01:43,840 --> 01:01:49,679
Catholics just ignore Canon for and act
like this exists in a vacuum, and

624
01:01:49,719 --> 01:01:59,840
then just assume and say it presupposes
the universal supremacy. And then, by

625
01:01:59,880 --> 01:02:02,880
the way of barus On this said, but it also is a thing that

626
01:02:02,920 --> 01:02:07,039
develops, like he says, like
icons developed. Wait a minute, Eric,

627
01:02:07,760 --> 01:02:13,880
is it something that's known and presupposed
in Canon six? That's what you

628
01:02:13,920 --> 01:02:16,679
said, But then you said it's
a thing that evolves. Those are mutually

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01:02:16,679 --> 01:02:24,199
exclusive claims. Let's go to the
next ecumenical council Constpt Number one, which,

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01:02:24,239 --> 01:02:29,280
as I pointed out many times,
we all know this. Hapile admits

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01:02:29,320 --> 01:02:32,920
that this council was convened out of
community with Rome. Saint Melidius, who

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01:02:32,960 --> 01:02:37,800
presided at the council, was out
of community with Rome. The council,

633
01:02:37,920 --> 01:02:44,639
under the inspiration of the Holy Spirit, defines, not pointless doctrines, the

634
01:02:44,679 --> 01:02:47,559
doctrine of the Trinity. Do you
understand how important constptth number one is to

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01:02:47,599 --> 01:02:55,239
the church. It is the council
that confirms and ratifies Cappadocian theology of the

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01:02:55,280 --> 01:03:00,400
Trinity. Which also refutes Rome in
terms of philioquay, because the cap Adotionans

637
01:03:00,400 --> 01:03:05,480
don't teach a philioquay, as Sashinski
says, and that means that the ratification

638
01:03:05,559 --> 01:03:14,039
of Cappadocian theology at Constantinople One also
precludes philioque because the council's creed, I

639
01:03:14,079 --> 01:03:19,039
believe in One God of the Father
Almighty is the doctrine of the monarchia of

640
01:03:19,079 --> 01:03:23,119
the Father, which means that the
monarchia of the Father as the sole cause

641
01:03:23,239 --> 01:03:28,079
is not shared by the son.
That's what the Cappadocians say, the Father

642
01:03:28,280 --> 01:03:30,320
is the sole cause. If the
Father is the soul cause, the son

643
01:03:30,400 --> 01:03:43,079
is not also a soul cause.
And so therefore Constantinople One in amazing providential

644
01:03:43,119 --> 01:03:47,840
irony. Here the council that confirms
the doctrine of the Trinity basically for the

645
01:03:47,880 --> 01:03:53,199
next thousand years is not debated again
significantly until you could say the eight hundreds

646
01:03:53,239 --> 01:03:59,599
with Saint Photius, but really the
Middle Ages with Lions in Florence. The

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01:04:00,119 --> 01:04:06,079
council that dogmatizes the church's trinitarian theology, which is not Augustinian, it's Cappadocian,

648
01:04:08,760 --> 01:04:12,760
is called out of community with the
Rome occurs out of community with Rome,

649
01:04:13,440 --> 01:04:15,760
closes out of commune with the realm. The saint who presides over it

650
01:04:15,800 --> 01:04:20,159
dies out of community with Rome,
and Rome later says, we affirm this

651
01:04:20,280 --> 01:04:25,679
council and we accept Saint Melidios of
Antioch as a saint. That is a

652
01:04:25,719 --> 01:04:31,159
contradiction. That is a contradiction.
They're always asking for a contradiction. There

653
01:04:31,199 --> 01:04:34,280
you go, there's one. Hefela
admits, that's the case, the great

654
01:04:34,360 --> 01:04:46,079
Roman Catholic historian. Now let's look
at the canons here, because they're interesting,

655
01:04:46,159 --> 01:04:50,360
and remember that most of the time, each ecumenical council will say,

656
01:04:50,800 --> 01:04:58,280
we are holding this council in unison
with the previous council or councils. So

657
01:04:58,320 --> 01:05:03,000
they will usually in the first canon
refer back to the previous ecumenical councils and

658
01:05:03,239 --> 01:05:10,599
canons, in many cases reaffirming what
was said before, which means that progressively,

659
01:05:10,639 --> 01:05:15,280
as the councils stack up, they
are also adding on to their regiment

660
01:05:15,320 --> 01:05:20,400
of argumentation the arguments made in the
previous councils. So, in other words,

661
01:05:20,480 --> 01:05:28,280
we agree with all those restating all
the previous anti Vatican One canons.

662
01:05:29,880 --> 01:05:32,360
That's the point I'm trying to make
here. So not only is it,

663
01:05:32,760 --> 01:05:38,239
oh, the church in this century
at this council believes this. We also

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01:05:38,320 --> 01:05:44,039
affirm the canons in the previous councils, and those are the ones that also

665
01:05:44,519 --> 01:05:50,360
don't fit with Vatican one that doubles
triples. The argument is the point costs

666
01:05:50,360 --> 01:05:53,719
out of the Uple three eighty one. The bishops are not to go beyond

667
01:05:53,760 --> 01:05:59,440
their diocese to churches lying outside of
their balands to bring confusion to the churches,

668
01:05:59,480 --> 01:06:02,840
but let the of Alexandria according to
the Canons alone and administered his affairs

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01:06:05,320 --> 01:06:09,599
the privileges of Antioch which are mentioned
the Canons and Nicia to be preserved.

670
01:06:09,800 --> 01:06:12,559
Now, remember Rome is not out
this council. Rome is not here,

671
01:06:13,719 --> 01:06:16,280
So you wonder why, well,
maybe didn't mention Rome because they knew Rome

672
01:06:16,360 --> 01:06:20,480
could do whatever we wanted to Dude, this council is not had in communion

673
01:06:20,519 --> 01:06:32,000
with Rome. So this mentions clearly
again limitations of jurisdictions, which is exactly

674
01:06:32,079 --> 01:06:35,360
the principle of Canon's four and six
of Nicia, not just Canon six.

675
01:06:35,480 --> 01:06:40,239
Canon four and six, by the
way, to Canon six mentioned anything to

676
01:06:40,239 --> 01:06:45,199
do with Peter, anything to do
with extraordinary claims for Rome. No does

677
01:06:45,239 --> 01:06:54,440
this canon exclude any of the seas. Remember what was the claim in every

678
01:06:54,440 --> 01:06:59,079
age? No one can doubt in
every age that everybody knew and had this

679
01:06:59,199 --> 01:07:08,440
view. Okay, what about so
far? Two ecumenical councils, and the

680
01:07:08,480 --> 01:07:17,679
second one is the one that dogmatized
the trinity. Dude. So it goes

681
01:07:17,679 --> 01:07:24,480
on to say that the providence the
provinces are limited, and it says note

682
01:07:24,800 --> 01:07:28,920
bishops are to stay within their own
jurisdictions. According to Seraphim's note, less

683
01:07:28,920 --> 01:07:32,440
to be confusion amongst the laity the
Reformation reaffirmation of the different regions of their

684
01:07:32,480 --> 01:07:39,519
hierarchy. As we said from Nicea, there's no special mention of Rome being

685
01:07:39,559 --> 01:07:42,920
exempted from this, which is contrary
Vatican one. And that's because this council

686
01:07:43,079 --> 01:07:45,800
was had out of commune with Rome. Now Canon three is interesting because the

687
01:07:45,880 --> 01:07:50,320
council saw fit and believe that they
had the power and the authority to enact

688
01:07:50,360 --> 01:07:57,079
ay canon raising Constantinople to equal status
with Old Rome. Old Rome is the

689
01:07:57,119 --> 01:08:00,840
see of Rome, Peter C.
The doubly apostol Petrian Pauline C. It's

690
01:08:00,880 --> 01:08:05,920
not just Peter in our view,
and so they said, let's make can

691
01:08:08,119 --> 01:08:15,079
Constantinople also having the prerogatives of honor
next after Rome. Constantinoples is said to

692
01:08:15,079 --> 01:08:19,279
be new Rome here, which relates
to the dispute over Canon twenty eight in

693
01:08:19,479 --> 01:08:26,319
Chalcedon. But notice that the attitude
is a premissy in role of honor accorded

694
01:08:26,319 --> 01:08:34,920
by the council. Okay, prerogative
of honor, not unilateral authority incomparable too.

695
01:08:35,720 --> 01:08:43,560
Next to Rome, nobody denies that
Old Rome is listed first, But

696
01:08:43,640 --> 01:08:46,279
again, the burden of proof was
not. Is Rome listed first? Right,

697
01:08:46,319 --> 01:08:49,479
that's the Roman Catholic slide of hand. Look, Rome's listed first.

698
01:08:49,680 --> 01:08:57,119
Vatican one No, no, no, Vatican One's burden of proof was way

699
01:08:57,159 --> 01:09:01,880
heavier than that. Dude. It's
the claims of Vatican one in the councils,

700
01:09:02,760 --> 01:09:09,479
which we know that's not there.
That's the point. But keep in

701
01:09:09,520 --> 01:09:13,560
mind Canon three there, because what's
going to happen at Chalcedon is that in

702
01:09:13,600 --> 01:09:16,640
the Roman Catholics will take this out
of context and they say, aha,

703
01:09:16,800 --> 01:09:23,399
Leo rejects Canon twenty eight of Chalcedon
because he believes in Vatican one people supremacy.

704
01:09:23,479 --> 01:09:28,960
He has that mindset. No,
that's another lie. Or a falsehood,

705
01:09:29,279 --> 01:09:33,279
or they're ignorant. Because Leo does
not reject Canon twenty eight on the

706
01:09:33,319 --> 01:09:38,079
basis of papal premacy. He rejects
it on the basis of it not being

707
01:09:38,159 --> 01:09:44,600
consistent with his reading of Canon six. So he thinks that that would displace

708
01:09:45,520 --> 01:09:56,119
the customs that gave Alexandria the second
position. Leo does not reject Canon twenty

709
01:09:56,159 --> 01:09:59,800
eight of Chalcidon because he just thinks, well, I'm the pope and I

710
01:09:59,800 --> 01:10:06,199
can do that, and guess what, several centuries later, Rome does accept

711
01:10:06,199 --> 01:10:11,279
it. That's the irony is that
they do accept constantinople as number two.

712
01:10:11,720 --> 01:10:15,439
And that's because these positions and patriarchates
are movable positions, because they're accorded through

713
01:10:15,479 --> 01:10:21,520
canons anyway, They're not from God
directly, like Dave divine Davine de divina.

714
01:10:21,560 --> 01:10:29,039
Their date, their customs de jure
their church law. And thus,

715
01:10:29,039 --> 01:10:33,279
for example, if a patriarchate apostatizes, they're no longer in the pentarchy or

716
01:10:33,319 --> 01:10:39,119
the originally it was three, it
was three. Uh patriarchts at nicea right

717
01:10:39,119 --> 01:10:45,359
if one of them apostatizes, there
would only be two. Or let's move

718
01:10:45,399 --> 01:10:49,279
to Ephesus kenon six if anyone anyway
attempt to set aside the in each case

719
01:10:49,399 --> 01:10:53,279
made by the Holy Senator to ephesis, the Holy Synod decrease that if they

720
01:10:53,359 --> 01:10:59,960
be bishops or clergyman, they shall
uh absolutely forfeit their office, and if

721
01:11:00,039 --> 01:11:02,520
laymen, they shall be excommunicated.
The Holy Synod as accepted by the churches

722
01:11:02,520 --> 01:11:06,319
that commenical has authority even over the
faithful. There's no mention here of the

723
01:11:06,359 --> 01:11:11,159
canon of the exemption of the Bishop
of Rome as someone who could not be

724
01:11:11,199 --> 01:11:15,720
excommunicated. Do you understand that if
Vatican one is true, the Roman sea

725
01:11:15,800 --> 01:11:21,720
is indefectible and you cannot excommunicate a
Roman pontiff because Vatican one says councils are

726
01:11:21,760 --> 01:11:26,680
not superior to the Pope. The
Pope judges and is superior to the councils.

727
01:11:27,760 --> 01:11:31,760
But this canon does not say,
well, you can the councils and

728
01:11:31,800 --> 01:11:35,319
the synods can excommunicate anybody, but
of course not the bit of Rome.

729
01:11:35,399 --> 01:11:39,600
Wink wink, right, And what's
the Roman count. Oh, they just

730
01:11:39,680 --> 01:11:45,159
assumed it. It was argument from
silence. Everybody knew it. Everybody knew

731
01:11:45,159 --> 01:11:47,159
it. But they're also enacting canon's
contrary to it. Okay, whatever,

732
01:11:47,239 --> 01:11:50,640
dude. Canon seven. When these
things have been read, the Holy Sinai

733
01:11:50,680 --> 01:11:54,359
decreed that is unlawful for any man
to bring forward, or to write or

734
01:11:54,359 --> 01:11:58,640
compose a different faith as what is
laid down by the Fathers at the Holy

735
01:11:58,680 --> 01:12:00,239
Spirit, by the Holy Spirit at
Nice. But those who shall dare to

736
01:12:00,239 --> 01:12:05,039
compose a different creed. And so
this is the addition of the philioque as

737
01:12:05,079 --> 01:12:10,079
professed in terms of the violation of
this canon. Right, and this canon

738
01:12:10,239 --> 01:12:15,279
is it is correct, basically speaking, even though constant the Niceno constant Apolitan

739
01:12:15,319 --> 01:12:25,920
creed eventually also gets accepted. We're
not saying that it's always wrong to do

740
01:12:26,000 --> 01:12:29,840
this per se, but it becomes
wrong after this canon. That's the point,

741
01:12:30,000 --> 01:12:33,119
right, So after this canon is
enacted, you can't add to the

742
01:12:33,159 --> 01:12:38,720
creed right, because they'll say,
well, Constantinople, change the creed.

743
01:12:41,119 --> 01:12:45,800
Canon eight. Our brother Bishop Regenus, Beloved of God has fellow Beloved of

744
01:12:45,840 --> 01:12:48,640
God. Bishops Zeno and Evagrius,
the Province of Cyprus have reported to us

745
01:12:48,680 --> 01:12:55,239
an innovation which has been introduced countrary
ecclesiastical canons and constitutions which the Holy Apostle,

746
01:12:55,279 --> 01:12:58,359
which touched on the liberty of the
churches of all, wherefore some injuries

747
01:12:58,399 --> 01:13:03,039
affect and require more attention. And
so I'm gonna skip down because this is

748
01:13:03,039 --> 01:13:05,760
a long one. This deals with
Cyprus. Now. The reason Cyprus is

749
01:13:05,800 --> 01:13:13,960
important because at Ephesus Cyprus is accepted
as an autocephalist church. Okay, an

750
01:13:13,960 --> 01:13:23,560
autocephalist church means that it's not under
the jurisdiction of another region that can impose

751
01:13:23,640 --> 01:13:28,479
anything upon it. The very idea
of an autocephalist church is contrary to the

752
01:13:28,600 --> 01:13:33,399
entire Roman Catholic scheme. I'm not
talking about uniates and having your own right.

753
01:13:33,840 --> 01:13:39,399
That's not what autocephalist does not mean
your own right. It's not just

754
01:13:39,439 --> 01:13:48,399
a liturgical practice. It's jurisdictional,
jurisdictional and the and notice there's nothing about

755
01:13:48,640 --> 01:13:54,600
well, it's jurisdictional, it's autocephalus
except at the bishop of see every time

756
01:13:54,640 --> 01:13:58,159
it's just well, but it's assumed
that the pope has the authority over the

757
01:13:58,199 --> 01:14:00,680
autocephalist churches. Yeah, nobody talks
about that, but it's assumed, you

758
01:14:00,760 --> 01:14:10,039
see. And what do they appeal
to do they say the autocephalist churches are

759
01:14:10,079 --> 01:14:13,439
autocephalis because the pope allows them to
be autocephalists. That would be the Batican

760
01:14:13,479 --> 01:14:16,640
One view. That's how the Roman
Catholics approach Unionism and the Byzantine Rite.

761
01:14:17,439 --> 01:14:23,760
No, it says, according to
the canons, the ancient canons, the

762
01:14:23,800 --> 01:14:28,840
customs, the traditions, there's no
mention of Rome in regards to this authority.

763
01:14:29,520 --> 01:14:33,520
When the Church enacted this autocephaly,
the canon reaffirms the importance of succession

764
01:14:33,560 --> 01:14:39,319
of bishops and their authority over their
own jurisdictions, again stressing the decentralized nature

765
01:14:39,359 --> 01:14:42,680
of the Church, the nodality of
the church, the collegiality the church.

766
01:14:45,199 --> 01:14:49,159
There's no special mention of Rome having
authority over any of the autocephalist jurisdictions.

767
01:14:49,800 --> 01:14:56,039
And which of these two churches,
Orthodox or Roman Catholic continues this clear tradition

768
01:14:56,279 --> 01:15:04,359
in Ephesus and later councils of autocephaly. Can you guess which one? It's

769
01:15:04,399 --> 01:15:11,760
not their only accountatur So when we
come to Chalcedon Canon one, we have

770
01:15:11,800 --> 01:15:15,119
a judge it right, the canons
the Holy Fathers made in the previous canons

771
01:15:15,119 --> 01:15:21,079
and sinatas until now should remain in
force. So notice that it's also affirming

772
01:15:21,119 --> 01:15:27,640
these previous councils and canons which enacted
Canon's contrary to the Vatican One idea and

773
01:15:27,680 --> 01:15:35,159
mindset. So Chalcedon is not a
council just from the outset affirming the Vatican

774
01:15:35,159 --> 01:15:41,199
One view. The point here is
that the mindset of the Church is collegial

775
01:15:41,199 --> 01:15:47,079
and sonodl and Roman Catholics have to
then go back to Chalcedon and read into

776
01:15:47,119 --> 01:15:50,640
it the Vatican One view, and
all they do is pick the little quotes

777
01:15:50,680 --> 01:15:58,880
about universal archbishop. That's Vatican one. Did you know that other patriarchates referred

778
01:15:58,880 --> 01:16:03,960
to themselves as also universal patriarch.
Oh wait, that's the title of the

779
01:16:04,000 --> 01:16:10,880
ecumenical patriarch. So if the argument
is that the title alone means Vatican one,

780
01:16:12,359 --> 01:16:15,800
then Bartholomew is a pope by the
title. I mean, this is

781
01:16:15,800 --> 01:16:19,199
literally the level of the arguments that
they use. Peter has spoken through Leo.

782
01:16:19,880 --> 01:16:23,960
Yeah, but if you read Denny, he gives you dozens of quotes

783
01:16:23,960 --> 01:16:29,560
where the church fathers say that Peter
speaks in all the bishops. So Peter

784
01:16:29,680 --> 01:16:34,800
speaking through Leo just simply means that's
the patrin see. Yeah, of course,

785
01:16:35,119 --> 01:16:39,399
but Peter also spoke through the other
bishops, like at Antioch when they

786
01:16:39,439 --> 01:16:45,399
taught truth and when Rome teaches truth. Peter speaks through Rome. But the

787
01:16:45,479 --> 01:16:55,000
attitude even at Constantinople II, just
like at Chalcedon, is to investigate the

788
01:16:55,079 --> 01:17:01,680
letter of the pope that arrives for
five days. When Leo's comes, they

789
01:17:01,720 --> 01:17:09,079
spend five days to see if it
aligns with who who's the father of Calcildon.

790
01:17:09,520 --> 01:17:12,319
Oh you thought it was Leo?
No, no, it's Cyril.

791
01:17:13,479 --> 01:17:18,159
The council spends five days to check
Leo's tone to see if it matches up

792
01:17:18,560 --> 01:17:27,239
with Cyril's ephesis theology. That is
not the attitude of Vatican One. That

793
01:17:27,279 --> 01:17:31,960
is not the attitude of the pope
judges and ratifies the council. That is

794
01:17:31,960 --> 01:17:40,880
the reverse view that the council judges
and ratifies and decides if the pope's teaching

795
01:17:41,119 --> 01:17:45,800
is Orthodox. Two different views.
You see that, and we know what

796
01:17:45,800 --> 01:17:46,880
the Vatican One view says, right? Do are we clear on this?

797
01:17:46,920 --> 01:17:50,720
The pope is not below the council. No council is above a pope.

798
01:17:50,720 --> 01:18:00,800
Nope, no council can tell the
pope what to do. So first off,

799
01:18:00,840 --> 01:18:04,920
with that in mind, remember,
Calcedon reaffirms the previous canons of the

800
01:18:04,960 --> 01:18:13,239
previous councils that are Contrary to Vatican
One's mindset, Canon five concerning bishops of

801
01:18:13,279 --> 01:18:15,159
clergymen who go about from city to
city is the creed that the canons enacts

802
01:18:15,159 --> 01:18:17,880
about the Holy Fathers still remain in
force. The previous canon, the ones

803
01:18:17,880 --> 01:18:24,319
that we've read about limited jurisdictions.
Where is there anything about except for the

804
01:18:24,439 --> 01:18:28,279
universal supremacy and jurisdiction of Rome,
which everyone of course knows about. Again,

805
01:18:28,800 --> 01:18:32,199
they just assumed it. If they
knew it and assumed it, then

806
01:18:32,319 --> 01:18:38,800
why would they be enacting canons in
the previous Council's contrary to it? And

807
01:18:38,920 --> 01:18:42,279
number two, If they knew it
and assumed it, then it can't be

808
01:18:42,359 --> 01:18:47,680
something that evolves from being unclear.
They knew it and they assumed it.

809
01:18:47,680 --> 01:18:51,039
It's an argument from silence, but
they didn't know and assume it because the

810
01:18:51,119 --> 01:18:56,760
doctrine that devolves to become clear eighteen
hundred years later. So remember the foundation

811
01:18:56,960 --> 01:19:00,800
doctrine of the church and the Roman
Catholic system is not defined until eighteen hundred

812
01:19:00,840 --> 01:19:06,199
years later. Wouldn't that be the
first thing defined? This is ridiculous.

813
01:19:08,960 --> 01:19:11,840
Why is there nothing to do with
Peter and the Pope in the creed?

814
01:19:13,680 --> 01:19:21,600
Wouldn't that be in the creed.
How does John Damascus, who's a doctor

815
01:19:21,600 --> 01:19:27,279
in the Roman Catholic Church, write
an entire systematic theology about what the faith

816
01:19:27,439 --> 01:19:34,319
is with nothing to do with Peter, nothing to do with Rome. Concern

817
01:19:34,399 --> 01:19:38,199
your bishops or clergyman. So that
was the limitation of Juris Kenonine. If

818
01:19:38,199 --> 01:19:41,840
any clergyman has a matter against another
clergyman, he will not forsake his bishopmen

819
01:19:41,920 --> 01:19:45,880
run to the secular course. Him
may lay his matter before his bishop,

820
01:19:45,760 --> 01:19:49,399
or let the matter be submitted to
a person whom both parties may, with

821
01:19:49,479 --> 01:19:55,439
the bitcious consent select. If he
has a complaint against another bishop, let

822
01:19:55,479 --> 01:19:58,159
it be decided in the sin out
of the province. And if a bishop

823
01:19:58,239 --> 01:20:01,399
or clergyman has a different synod,
have a difference with the metropolitan, he

824
01:20:01,439 --> 01:20:04,319
may have recourse to the exarc of
the dioce. So this is getting into

825
01:20:04,359 --> 01:20:10,920
that model of appeal appleate structure.
Appealing apple it matters live within local jurisdictions,

826
01:20:10,960 --> 01:20:14,439
working the way up the hierarchy until
they reach the throne of Constantinople.

827
01:20:15,039 --> 01:20:24,439
Right now, in the Roman districts
you have the Sartikan canons right which do

828
01:20:24,640 --> 01:20:30,760
allow for appleate structure to Rome as
well, But none of that proves Vatican

829
01:20:30,840 --> 01:20:36,720
one because the Sardikan canons actually contradict
the claims of Vatican One. They do

830
01:20:36,800 --> 01:20:41,640
not claim that the privilege of the
applet structure has anything to do with divine

831
01:20:41,720 --> 01:20:45,720
law or the prerogatives and principles of
Christ. To Peter, it's the appeal

832
01:20:45,800 --> 01:20:51,880
of privilege and custom right de jurre, not devino. And you can read

833
01:20:51,920 --> 01:20:56,920
Denny's chapter on Sartica on that if
you want to. UBI has also dealt

834
01:20:56,920 --> 01:21:00,439
with all these, by the way, in more depth. But people want

835
01:21:00,439 --> 01:21:02,239
to go into the sarctica, which
is just a local council anyway. If

836
01:21:02,239 --> 01:21:05,359
you think people want to go into
those, you can go and look at

837
01:21:05,479 --> 01:21:12,279
ubi's material more in depth on that
stuff. Canon ten, it shall not

838
01:21:12,319 --> 01:21:15,600
be lawful for a clergyman at the
same time enrolled in the churches of two

839
01:21:15,680 --> 01:21:17,960
cities, that is, in one
church which is first ordained, another which

840
01:21:17,960 --> 01:21:23,399
it is greater and removed a lust
of empty honor. Those who do shows

841
01:21:23,399 --> 01:21:27,079
shall be honored, should be returned
to their own church in which they originally

842
01:21:27,199 --> 01:21:30,239
ordained, and there will only be
there they only shall they administer. Let's

843
01:21:30,199 --> 01:21:34,039
just talking about just not going crazy
and hopping jurisdictions. After this decree of

844
01:21:34,079 --> 01:21:38,880
the Ecumenical Synod, any who shall
dare to do these things will be degraded

845
01:21:38,880 --> 01:21:42,840
from his rank. Now this is
more enforcement of jurisdictional boundaries. There is

846
01:21:42,840 --> 01:21:46,119
no mention again of any special exemption
for Rome Canon twelve. It has come

847
01:21:46,159 --> 01:21:49,319
to our knowledge to a certain person's
contraur The laws of Church, having recourse

848
01:21:49,359 --> 01:21:58,359
of the secular power again run to
other situations. And then it says the

849
01:21:58,439 --> 01:22:00,560
cities which have already been honored by
means of imperial letters with the name of

850
01:22:00,600 --> 01:22:05,680
the metropolis, and the bishops in
charge of them shall take the bare title,

851
01:22:05,920 --> 01:22:10,920
all metropolis rights being preserved to the
true metropolis. In other words,

852
01:22:11,520 --> 01:22:15,800
no bishop is allowed to set up
two metropolitans in one province, and any

853
01:22:15,840 --> 01:22:17,760
bishops who does so loses his rank. There is no exemption for the pope.

854
01:22:18,359 --> 01:22:23,039
And it might be added that in
the Roman Catholic world there are three

855
01:22:23,319 --> 01:22:29,119
patriarchs of Antioch. Did you know? This direct violation of Canon twelve.

856
01:22:31,199 --> 01:22:36,840
So all the more irony given the
fact that they talk about the problems in

857
01:22:36,960 --> 01:22:45,279
the Orthodox ecclesial model, when they
literally have three Patriarchs of Antioch violation of

858
01:22:45,319 --> 01:22:48,640
that canon. Wherefore, it has
come to our attention that certain provinces canonical

859
01:22:48,640 --> 01:22:53,880
synods of bishops are not held an
this account. In the eclesiastical matters which

860
01:22:54,000 --> 01:22:56,960
need reformation are neglected. Therefore,
according to the canons the Holy Fathers.

861
01:22:57,039 --> 01:23:01,520
Now, wouldn't it be the case, by the way, that if the

862
01:23:01,600 --> 01:23:09,159
Vatican One mindset was the case,
wouldn't they just consistently say and use the

863
01:23:09,279 --> 01:23:19,239
language and the praxis of the Vatican
One Church or the Roman Catholic system.

864
01:23:19,680 --> 01:23:24,680
I mean, wouldn't they just appeal
to the Pope. Wouldn't they just say

865
01:23:24,840 --> 01:23:30,800
consistently, however, meet these matters
could easily be resolved by an appeal to

866
01:23:30,960 --> 01:23:36,640
Rome. Now remember, Roman Catholics
make the argument that Clement in his letters

867
01:23:38,239 --> 01:23:41,600
is literally just deciding, you know, latterly the problems in the church.

868
01:23:43,000 --> 01:23:46,239
So they argue that the Vatican One
view is in Clement of Rome because he's

869
01:23:46,560 --> 01:23:53,680
unilaterally just solving problems throughout the church
everywhere, right hundreds of miles away.

870
01:23:53,760 --> 01:24:01,560
But then Chalcedon clearly is not using
that mindset. And so again notice the

871
01:24:01,560 --> 01:24:06,039
contradictory claims that On the one hand, it was always the case Clement is

872
01:24:06,199 --> 01:24:12,199
unilaterally just ex cathedral, you know, announcing what is the he's solving.

873
01:24:12,239 --> 01:24:16,760
He's is cathedral, but he's unilaterally
solving problems in the church across the empire.

874
01:24:17,920 --> 01:24:24,680
That's Vatican one proof got it.
But then because there's all these canons,

875
01:24:24,920 --> 01:24:29,520
well, the church didn't have a
clear idea for many centuries what the

876
01:24:29,560 --> 01:24:33,520
real role where the Bishop Barome was
and Bishop barn could have all of these

877
01:24:33,640 --> 01:24:40,159
powers and not use them. What
I'm not joking, that's literally what he

878
01:24:40,239 --> 01:24:47,840
says, and that's literally why this
whole religion devolves into papal lawyering. It's

879
01:24:48,039 --> 01:24:54,720
just let me prove to you in
these mountains of documents, something that pulled

880
01:24:54,800 --> 01:25:00,479
I can pull out that says something
close to Vatican One. I can't.

881
01:25:00,720 --> 01:25:09,159
But they read into the quotes about
premiacy of honor, canonical privileges, vat.

882
01:25:09,239 --> 01:25:17,479
It can want if you running where
I keep doing this because I have

883
01:25:17,520 --> 01:25:21,600
to have this light on the papers
so I can read, and this light

884
01:25:21,720 --> 01:25:25,199
is super bright. That's why.
That's that's why I keep doing this.

885
01:25:27,399 --> 01:25:40,159
Oh where my sunnglasses so I can't
so I can refute the herrestes, I

886
01:25:40,239 --> 01:25:45,359
used to do it like that the
Holy Synod decrease. Every bishopher is providence.

887
01:25:45,399 --> 01:25:50,640
So this is talking about sonodal matters. And uh it says Seraph's note

888
01:25:50,800 --> 01:25:56,399
summarizes bishops of each individual metropolis is
in charge of their own matters. This

889
01:25:56,479 --> 01:26:01,479
would have been the perfect time to
mention the final decision Court of Rome,

890
01:26:01,560 --> 01:26:09,000
which Ibara claims everybody knew, right. Why isn't that Why wouldn't Calcedon have

891
01:26:09,079 --> 01:26:14,000
been the greatest place to make all
of these points? I mean they literally

892
01:26:14,319 --> 01:26:17,960
remember Abara what a year or two
ago, was arguing two years ago that

893
01:26:18,560 --> 01:26:24,479
Leo's Tome is ex cathedral, which
he then pulled down all of his comments

894
01:26:24,479 --> 01:26:30,800
saying that and never said he was
wrong, because those people cannot admit that

895
01:26:30,840 --> 01:26:34,079
they were wrong. And that's the
chief problem that they have. For inasmuch

896
01:26:34,119 --> 01:26:39,239
as the certain of the Metropolitans that
we have heard neglect the flocks committed to

897
01:26:39,319 --> 01:26:42,640
them. This is Kennon twenty five
of Calcdon. They delayed the ordination of

898
01:26:42,640 --> 01:26:45,359
bishops in the police, and I
decided that the ordination of bishops shall take

899
01:26:45,359 --> 01:26:48,199
place within three months. This is
again just about the ordination of bishops.

900
01:26:49,399 --> 01:26:54,439
It talks about eclesiastical penalties. Note, the election of bishops is up to

901
01:26:54,479 --> 01:26:58,800
the Metropolitans. There's no mention of
the Bishop of Rome signing off on all

902
01:26:59,239 --> 01:27:03,319
every bishop in the world being affirmed
by the vision of Rome. And there

903
01:27:03,359 --> 01:27:06,920
is no exemption of Rome from ecclesiastical
penalties. Right now, again, remember

904
01:27:08,000 --> 01:27:12,680
Vatican one, no man judges the
first See. A council cannot depose a

905
01:27:12,720 --> 01:27:15,640
pope. The Pope is the head
of the church. He judges and ratifies

906
01:27:15,680 --> 01:27:24,520
councils. Is there any mention of
well Rome is exempted from any and all

907
01:27:24,520 --> 01:27:29,720
ecclesiastical penalties. That's the view of
Vatican One. The Holy See cannot defect.

908
01:27:30,560 --> 01:27:38,560
The Holy See cannot teach error,
indefectible, infallible. Does it sound

909
01:27:38,760 --> 01:27:45,000
like they think that about Rome Canon
twenty eight From all things that decisions the

910
01:27:45,000 --> 01:27:48,119
Holy fathers acknowledging the canon, the
canons which have just been read at the

911
01:27:48,119 --> 01:27:51,600
one hundred and fifty Bishops Beloved of
God at Constantinople and New Rome in per

912
01:27:51,640 --> 01:27:58,520
Theodosias, the church is new Rome. This is, of course the disputed

913
01:27:58,560 --> 01:28:02,319
canon we've already mentioned in this and
of course Roman Catholics always claim, well,

914
01:28:02,359 --> 01:28:10,520
this is the canon that Leo rejects
this canon because he knows that he's

915
01:28:10,560 --> 01:28:15,039
the pope. No, that is
not why Leo rejects the canon. He

916
01:28:15,079 --> 01:28:19,079
rejects this canon because he disagrees with
the ordering given in Canon six of Nicia.

917
01:28:20,000 --> 01:28:27,079
But setting that aside, both Constantinople
one and Chalcedon saw a fit because

918
01:28:27,119 --> 01:28:35,479
this is this This is hearkening back
to Constantinople Canon three, right, So

919
01:28:35,520 --> 01:28:40,479
they are looking back to Constantinople Canon
three, which says that Constantinople is new

920
01:28:40,560 --> 01:28:46,600
Rome. Canon twenty eight of Calcadon
is reaffirming that canon of Constantinople one,

921
01:28:46,720 --> 01:28:56,319
saying that Constantinople is second. It
has the role of honor and equal privileges.

922
01:28:56,399 --> 01:29:01,840
So again privileges law language, not
divine right privileges, canonical privileges.

923
01:29:04,479 --> 01:29:11,000
So the claim was privileges because it
was and well we'll read Serphum's note here.

924
01:29:11,239 --> 01:29:14,920
Old Rome had privileges because it was
the royal city, and there's no

925
01:29:15,079 --> 01:29:20,680
mention of a particular terrorism of infallibility
for Peter. Obviously, because Antioch is

926
01:29:20,680 --> 01:29:26,439
also the successor of Peter, these
equal privileges were also given to Count Constantinople

927
01:29:26,560 --> 01:29:30,039
in this canon because it is the
new city of the Imperium. There's no

928
01:29:30,159 --> 01:29:31,800
mention of Peter or any divine grace
given to the church in Rome. The

929
01:29:31,880 --> 01:29:36,319
Archbishop of Constantinople is a granted the
special authority toward tain bishops in certain diocees

930
01:29:36,319 --> 01:29:40,319
outside of his own. This would
have been the perfect place to mention despite

931
01:29:40,359 --> 01:29:45,640
the added to progatives granted to Constantinople. So remember their attitude is constant that

932
01:29:45,760 --> 01:29:50,119
Chalcedon believes in Vatican One, they
used to say, because Leo's tome is

933
01:29:50,159 --> 01:29:57,960
ex cathedral. Oh but Chalcedon also
enacted a canon contradicting Vatican one type mindset

934
01:29:58,039 --> 01:30:01,359
as well, so that alone is
an contradiction they have. There's no way

935
01:30:01,399 --> 01:30:06,000
they believed in papal supremacy and infallibility
at the same time as enacting a Canon

936
01:30:06,079 --> 01:30:11,479
twenty eight that you guys say is
contrary to papal supremacy. Let me just

937
01:30:11,479 --> 01:30:15,640
think how stupid this is. Right, But regardless, the rejection of the

938
01:30:15,680 --> 01:30:18,479
canon by Leo was not because of
anything to do with papacy. It had

939
01:30:18,520 --> 01:30:27,960
to do with him complaining that it
was unfair to Constantinople. One, excuse

940
01:30:28,000 --> 01:30:32,479
me to Canon six of Nicia Canon
six and Nicia right, which said that

941
01:30:34,000 --> 01:30:40,880
the ordering is Rome, Alexandria,
Antioch, and so it's not fair to

942
01:30:41,119 --> 01:30:46,800
Alexandria and Antioch to move Constantinople to
number two. That was Leo's argument,

943
01:30:47,399 --> 01:30:53,600
not I'm the pope and I don't
like the idea of Constantinople being next to

944
01:30:53,640 --> 01:31:02,319
me and in honor and authority and
privilege. And the canon itself shows that

945
01:31:02,319 --> 01:31:06,840
that they did not believe in papal
supremacy according to the Vatican One mindset.

946
01:31:09,079 --> 01:31:14,399
Next we come to Trollo, and
Trollo, of course is Quinisex Council,

947
01:31:14,479 --> 01:31:17,720
and it is later affirmed by the
Seventh Ecumenical Council and Pope Adrian. So

948
01:31:17,840 --> 01:31:25,520
by the way, both Pope Hadrian
it's reaffirmed, and and I see it

949
01:31:25,560 --> 01:31:28,920
too. And then later popes say, no, wait a minute, we

950
01:31:28,960 --> 01:31:32,720
don't accept everything that's in Trollo.
And that's admitted by many Roman Catholic historians

951
01:31:32,720 --> 01:31:38,319
at theologians. Some will dispute that, right, there's oh, we never

952
01:31:38,359 --> 01:31:43,000
accepted Trollo never. But the point
here is that there are so many things

953
01:31:43,039 --> 01:31:45,880
in the in Trollo quintessex, which
for Orthodox are part of the Seventh Council

954
01:31:45,920 --> 01:31:50,560
and thus ecumenical. It's a gigantic
council. There are so many things in

955
01:31:50,600 --> 01:31:57,800
it that are contrary to papal supremacy
and universal jurisdiction that it's quite obvious why

956
01:31:57,840 --> 01:32:00,800
they eventually said, no, no, we can't accept them, right,

957
01:32:00,840 --> 01:32:05,159
get that council out of here.
But at one time they did, and

958
01:32:05,199 --> 01:32:10,960
there are even Roman Catholic theologian scholars
and historians who admit that Rome reversed its

959
01:32:11,960 --> 01:32:15,760
view of this one. Now to
the Orthodox, that's our view. Of

960
01:32:15,800 --> 01:32:19,720
course, they reversed because they innovated
and changed, and they know that what's

961
01:32:19,720 --> 01:32:28,119
expressed in Trilo Quintisex, and as
Trillo is affirmed at Nicea too, expresses

962
01:32:28,159 --> 01:32:32,279
the Orthodox ecclesiology, the Orthodox view
of the sacraments, married clergy, all

963
01:32:32,319 --> 01:32:38,039
of these things that are just obvious
and still maintaining the Orthodox Church. Trillo

964
01:32:38,159 --> 01:32:41,720
Quinisex is one of the best proofs
of all of these things that we're saying.

965
01:32:42,319 --> 01:32:48,119
And Trillo, in its first canon
reaffirms all of these previous canons in

966
01:32:48,199 --> 01:32:54,600
these previous councils, and thus states
that they are enacting things in accord with

967
01:32:54,640 --> 01:33:02,359
them, and expands and elucidates even
further the limitations of jurisdictions. You see,

968
01:33:03,479 --> 01:33:08,680
in other words, there's there's so
many canons that deal with there are

969
01:33:08,720 --> 01:33:14,039
so many canons so explicitly contrary to
the Vatican One mindset. That is precisely

970
01:33:14,079 --> 01:33:19,920
why eventually as papalism evolves into papalism, that's one thing we agree with many

971
01:33:20,000 --> 01:33:24,199
Roman Catholics. Soy, yes,
oh, yes, we agree papalism is

972
01:33:24,239 --> 01:33:27,479
an evolving doctrine. Absolutely. Yeah, that's the really, really the only

973
01:33:27,520 --> 01:33:30,239
way you guys can argue for that, which, by the way, is

974
01:33:30,359 --> 01:33:34,560
self refuting. The idea that doctrines
evolve is self refuting. They can't make

975
01:33:34,560 --> 01:33:50,800
a distinction between clarification and evolving.
So, now, as you said,

976
01:33:50,880 --> 01:33:59,079
Pope Adrian Seventh Council reaffirms these canons. Canon one. Here you'll notice it

977
01:33:59,159 --> 01:34:05,760
is the real information of the previous
canons, which were all full of limitations

978
01:34:05,800 --> 01:34:11,600
of jurisdiction, nothing to do about
exemptions for Rome or anything like that.

979
01:34:12,760 --> 01:34:14,880
This is kind of long, so
I'm not going to read all of the

980
01:34:15,119 --> 01:34:19,600
statements of what they're reaffirming, But
if you want to. You can just

981
01:34:19,640 --> 01:34:30,800
pull up Trollo Quintesssex's council and you'll
we'll look down here at Seraphim's note.

982
01:34:32,199 --> 01:34:38,159
According to this canon one of Trollo, the heretics were defeated by whatever Rome

983
01:34:38,239 --> 01:34:42,760
says, No, by theous unanimous
acknowledgment of the faithful that was revealed to

984
01:34:42,800 --> 01:34:47,960
the Church, that was synotically anathematized. Did they just ask Rome? Was

985
01:34:48,000 --> 01:34:53,439
it just we appealed to the Roman
See and whatever they anathematized was anathema?

986
01:34:53,640 --> 01:34:57,439
That would be the Vatican One attitude. No, none of that. All

987
01:34:57,479 --> 01:35:00,319
of the fathers were God bearing who
agreed on these teachings. The city of

988
01:35:00,359 --> 01:35:02,600
constantin Noble is called God Preserved.
The Church states that the faith, the

989
01:35:02,600 --> 01:35:05,279
writings, and the teacher of the
Church shall stand firm and remain unsolid until

990
01:35:05,279 --> 01:35:11,520
the end of the world. Notice
that nothing in here is like the Vatican

991
01:35:11,520 --> 01:35:15,319
One statements about how the Roman Sea
preserves the Church until the end of the

992
01:35:15,319 --> 01:35:20,279
world. So this is again contrary
to the attitude and dogma of Vatican One

993
01:35:20,840 --> 01:35:25,399
that the foundation stone of the Church
is the Roman Sea, which preserves the

994
01:35:25,479 --> 01:35:29,680
Church and remains in her keeping her
in unity and whatnot until the end of

995
01:35:29,720 --> 01:35:34,279
the world. It says there is
no canon of the Church that had more

996
01:35:34,319 --> 01:35:39,600
opportunity to profess the ultramontanous position currently
espoused by Rome than this one. This

997
01:35:39,640 --> 01:35:42,640
would have been the place to do
it. Yet there's nothing like that here,

998
01:35:42,640 --> 01:35:45,159
totally absent. Interestingly enough, the
Pope has declared in a story as

999
01:35:45,159 --> 01:35:49,800
a heretic before the council what's called
to judge it, and yet that is

1000
01:35:49,840 --> 01:35:53,840
not mentioned. That's we're just referring
back to a previous thing. Now my

1001
01:35:53,880 --> 01:35:57,640
life goes out Canon two of Trolo, it has seemed good to the Holy

1002
01:35:57,680 --> 01:36:01,640
Council eighty five canons received and ratify
the Holy Blessed Fathers before us the Holy

1003
01:36:02,039 --> 01:36:11,840
Glorious Apostles, and it mentions the
previous secondmentical councils. We're going to scroll

1004
01:36:11,880 --> 01:36:15,760
down. Note that this reaffirms the
teaching of the Fathers as a whole,

1005
01:36:15,760 --> 01:36:18,920
being dogmatic. A large number of
synods and Church fathers are listed as being

1006
01:36:18,920 --> 01:36:21,960
accepted by the synod as authorities.
However, there's no mention of Rome as

1007
01:36:21,960 --> 01:36:26,840
the foundation stone of the Church or
any of the Vatican Want teachings or having

1008
01:36:26,920 --> 01:36:30,880
any special authority over the church or
as being the reasons why these canons and

1009
01:36:30,920 --> 01:36:33,600
holy teachers are accepted. There's no
exemption for the Pope of Rome or for

1010
01:36:33,680 --> 01:36:38,319
his not being punished for transgressions or
for heresies. In fact, at the

1011
01:36:38,359 --> 01:36:43,279
next council, Pope Honorius will be
condemned, and that condemnation will be reaffirmed

1012
01:36:43,279 --> 01:36:46,359
of the Seventh Council and will be
reaffirmed in the sonod Kon of Orthodoxy,

1013
01:36:46,760 --> 01:36:50,479
which is a product of the Seventh
Council. So when Roman Catholics try to

1014
01:36:50,520 --> 01:36:55,880
say that the sixth Council didn't actually
condemn Honorious, totally false. Total BS

1015
01:36:57,920 --> 01:37:00,960
Canon six is the declared Apostolic canons
that of those who are advance the clergy

1016
01:37:01,039 --> 01:37:03,640
that are unmarried, only lectures and
cannoners are able to marry. Also,

1017
01:37:03,720 --> 01:37:08,880
I'll maintain this to determine that henceforth
it is not lawful for any subdeacon.

1018
01:37:09,279 --> 01:37:12,960
Now, this is the one that
just simply says it explicitly permits married men

1019
01:37:13,159 --> 01:37:16,920
to become priests. And that's because
East and West had married priests. And

1020
01:37:17,039 --> 01:37:20,880
of course you can imagine why Rome
simply decides this is no longer the case.

1021
01:37:21,319 --> 01:37:25,840
So Rome once again innovates, just
like they get rid of Pato communion,

1022
01:37:26,000 --> 01:37:30,000
they innovate, which again Pato communion
was practiced in the East and the

1023
01:37:30,000 --> 01:37:33,600
West. And then Rome says,
no, We're not gonna do that anymore,

1024
01:37:33,840 --> 01:37:39,199
because Rome innovates canonate. Since we
desire that in the in every point

1025
01:37:39,199 --> 01:37:42,920
which is teaching has been to decree
by healthy fathers, we hear renew the

1026
01:37:42,960 --> 01:37:45,199
cannon which orders the synods of the
bishops of East Province be held every year,

1027
01:37:45,199 --> 01:37:48,079
in which the Bishop of the Metropolis
shallot deem best. But since on

1028
01:37:48,079 --> 01:37:53,039
account of these incursions of barbarians certain
other incidental causes, those who present with

1029
01:37:53,079 --> 01:37:56,479
the churches cannot hold sinots twice a
year, it is right by all means

1030
01:37:56,520 --> 01:37:59,079
that once a year, on account
of the ecclesiastic questions which are likely to

1031
01:37:59,119 --> 01:38:02,680
arise the Senate of the aren't mentioned
for sid bishops should be holding in every

1032
01:38:02,720 --> 01:38:11,199
province between eastern October. This is
all snodal, Okay. There's no mention

1033
01:38:11,399 --> 01:38:16,319
of seeking Rome to answer and solve
everybody's universal questions in the Church, which

1034
01:38:16,359 --> 01:38:20,760
is the attitude of Vatican One,
which is the attitude of the post first

1035
01:38:20,840 --> 01:38:26,159
Millennium evolving Roman Church as it evolves
into that, right, that would have

1036
01:38:26,199 --> 01:38:30,560
been another place for this to all
be mentioned. Yet nothing like that here.

1037
01:38:30,720 --> 01:38:33,960
Now, remember this is not just
some random council. This is affirmed

1038
01:38:34,760 --> 01:38:42,840
in the Seventh Council, and the
Seventh Council for the Orthodox produces doctrines and

1039
01:38:42,880 --> 01:38:48,079
theology about iconography that Rome does not
hold because it says, we don't do

1040
01:38:48,319 --> 01:38:53,119
the Lamb, we don't do icons
of the Father. Yes, some Orthodox

1041
01:38:53,199 --> 01:38:59,239
churches violate this, but there's a
whole theology of the Seventh Council that Rome

1042
01:38:59,319 --> 01:39:02,680
does not adhere to. Two,
which is the theology of Saint Theodore the

1043
01:39:02,720 --> 01:39:11,840
Studite in Saint John Damascus, which
is an explicit crystall logical iconographic theology.

1044
01:39:12,319 --> 01:39:15,920
Rome gives verbal credence to the Seventh
that Chemical Council, but it does not

1045
01:39:16,039 --> 01:39:21,880
hold to the canons and the sonoticon
of the Seventh Council, because if it

1046
01:39:21,920 --> 01:39:27,199
did, they wouldn't have the Sistine
Chapel. Okay, that's contrary to the

1047
01:39:27,239 --> 01:39:33,399
Seventh Council, all right. So, and by the way, by extension,

1048
01:39:33,439 --> 01:39:39,000
that the entire Renaissance art tradition would
not be in the churches because it's

1049
01:39:39,000 --> 01:39:42,279
contrary to the Seventh a Chemical Council. And if you doubt me on that,

1050
01:39:42,359 --> 01:39:46,079
read Ospensky and Lasky's book Theology the
Icon Volume two, because there's entire

1051
01:39:46,159 --> 01:39:53,359
chapters going through how the philosophy and
theology of iconography from the Seventh Council is

1052
01:39:53,399 --> 01:39:59,039
based on what will be Palamite theology. It's the same essence synergy doctrine.

1053
01:39:59,079 --> 01:40:02,960
The energy's doctrine is crucial to the
argmentation of John Damascus and Saint Theodore,

1054
01:40:03,159 --> 01:40:09,119
who are the theologians of the Seventh
Council on icons. That theology of essen

1055
01:40:09,159 --> 01:40:16,840
synergy in terms of iconography is repeated
by Palamite theology because the halo above the

1056
01:40:16,880 --> 01:40:20,960
saints. Did you know icons teach
theology? Did you know that in the

1057
01:40:21,000 --> 01:40:30,079
Middle Ages, the Byzantine theologians would
appeal to iconographic theology because icons are like

1058
01:40:30,680 --> 01:40:40,039
visible pictures of the Bible, they're
written, So appealing to canonical icons is

1059
01:40:40,560 --> 01:40:45,039
like an appeal to the Bible.
And the very idea of canonical and non

1060
01:40:45,039 --> 01:40:48,800
canonical icons is foreign to the Roman
Catholic Church. They don't even know what

1061
01:40:48,880 --> 01:40:53,840
that is because they don't hold to
the Seventh Council. Only in name.

1062
01:40:54,520 --> 01:41:00,000
That's the point. And again another
way to show they don't hold this same

1063
01:41:00,199 --> 01:41:01,439
council and they only hold to it
in name, is that they don't accept

1064
01:41:01,439 --> 01:41:08,199
Trolo because Trollo is accepted at seven
the seventh Council. So anyway, Mary

1065
01:41:08,199 --> 01:41:10,960
Clergy, Pedro, communion, all
of these things are the norm. Roman

1066
01:41:11,000 --> 01:41:15,199
innovates. The dispenses with all that, we're going to skip down again,

1067
01:41:15,239 --> 01:41:19,319
So Kenon nineteen. Priests are meant
to teach according to the tradition of the

1068
01:41:19,359 --> 01:41:24,680
universal teaching of the Fathers. There's
no mention about Rome being the pillar and

1069
01:41:25,199 --> 01:41:29,319
hinge of Orthodoxy in the Settler of
all matters. Again, if the Vatican

1070
01:41:29,359 --> 01:41:32,479
One view were the case, then
the Church in the first millennium should have

1071
01:41:32,520 --> 01:41:36,520
just operated on the principle of how
the church, and the second millennium that's

1072
01:41:36,560 --> 01:41:42,680
the papal Latin Church in the West
operates. But they don't. The Church

1073
01:41:42,760 --> 01:41:47,319
fathers wouldn't have been composing gigantic theological
treatises. They would have just been footnoting

1074
01:41:47,359 --> 01:41:51,479
the popes. And that's why Dollinger
was correct when he said that if Vatican

1075
01:41:51,520 --> 01:41:57,159
One passes Roman Catholic theology from the
time after Vatican One will be nothing but

1076
01:41:57,319 --> 01:42:01,279
footnotes about debating Roman the Roman papacy. That's it. It will all be

1077
01:42:01,359 --> 01:42:04,600
papal lawyering. That's what Dollinger said, and that's exactly what it is.

1078
01:42:04,600 --> 01:42:08,720
What does Abora do, nothing but
papal lawyer, and it's all he debates

1079
01:42:08,720 --> 01:42:12,119
for him the whole and that because
that is the religion. The religion is

1080
01:42:12,199 --> 01:42:17,479
just the pope. It is just
arguing about to what degree and what documents

1081
01:42:17,479 --> 01:42:20,840
and what boring ass papers from the
dude in Rome I have to accept or

1082
01:42:20,880 --> 01:42:26,880
I can reject. It's another version
of sola scriptura. It's just more sophisticated

1083
01:42:26,880 --> 01:42:30,920
with a bunch of more boring papers. At least solo scriptura, they're just

1084
01:42:30,000 --> 01:42:33,520
reading the Bible, which is actually
interesting. But in the Roman Catholic system,

1085
01:42:33,600 --> 01:42:38,920
it's thousands of more boring ass pages
from the popes and from all of

1086
01:42:38,920 --> 01:42:45,960
these documents that I have to weighe
through as a faithful Roman Catholic, which

1087
01:42:45,159 --> 01:42:49,600
nobody can do. That's the point. It's an exercise of utility to actually

1088
01:42:49,600 --> 01:42:55,439
try to be a faithful Catholic theologian. Mainly because of the Vatican Two and

1089
01:42:55,479 --> 01:43:01,640
where it goes and so Vatican one
is not a traditional thing in contrast to

1090
01:43:01,760 --> 01:43:08,319
Vatican two. Vatican one is a
humanist exercise just as much as Vatican two

1091
01:43:08,680 --> 01:43:14,920
is the logical implication and next phase
process of the humanism of Vatican one.

1092
01:43:15,279 --> 01:43:17,159
That's the right position, that's the
act, that's actually what's going on.

1093
01:43:17,399 --> 01:43:20,880
But people like classical theist, Oh, he thinks Vatican one is traditional.

1094
01:43:21,279 --> 01:43:25,560
Vatican two may be liberal. I
don't know what is Viovatican two is.

1095
01:43:25,600 --> 01:43:29,399
But you know, whatever he thinks
of Vatican two, right, he's making

1096
01:43:29,439 --> 01:43:33,119
these arguments that papal supremacy is inherently
traditional. No, it's actually inherently liberal.

1097
01:43:33,119 --> 01:43:38,960
That's the point, because it's backed
up by the evolution of doctrine,

1098
01:43:39,239 --> 01:43:43,279
which is itself a liberal principle.
Canon twenty. It is not lawful for

1099
01:43:43,319 --> 01:43:45,159
a bishop to teach publicly in any
city that does not belong to him,

1100
01:43:46,039 --> 01:43:49,760
except for the exception of the Church
of Rome, who teaches the entire church.

1101
01:43:49,800 --> 01:43:54,600
He's the universal pastor, the infallible
teacher of all Christians. No,

1102
01:43:54,680 --> 01:43:59,920
nothing like that here. Now,
remember romany Catholics, they just hand way

1103
01:44:00,079 --> 01:44:02,560
this whole council, even though it's
accepted of the Southern Council, and even

1104
01:44:02,600 --> 01:44:08,960
though Adrian accepted it, they just
handled it ken In twenty one, there's

1105
01:44:09,000 --> 01:44:13,079
no exemptions made for the punishment of
the Bishop Rome to be exempted from the

1106
01:44:13,079 --> 01:44:19,279
canonical penalties and privileges. Now,
remember concept of noble six excommunicates and condemns

1107
01:44:19,359 --> 01:44:26,000
Pope honorias. Now Roman Catholics have
zillions of mental gymnastics to tell you why

1108
01:44:26,039 --> 01:44:28,840
he's not really condemned and he's not
really a heretic, blah blah blah blah

1109
01:44:28,880 --> 01:44:32,800
blah. But if we just set
all of those endless, pointless, dumb

1110
01:44:32,880 --> 01:44:38,920
arguments aside, listen to the point
that I'm making. Whether you think he

1111
01:44:39,039 --> 01:44:45,319
was or wasn't, the mere fact
that the council believes that they have the

1112
01:44:45,359 --> 01:44:51,319
authority to excommunicate and declare the Pope
to be a heretic means that they did

1113
01:44:51,359 --> 01:44:58,479
not believe in the infallibility and indefectibility
of the Roman see. So that's the

1114
01:44:58,640 --> 01:45:02,640
very council that the will misinterpret the
Letter of Agatho to try to be Vatican

1115
01:45:02,680 --> 01:45:09,239
one letter. Pope Agosto is Vatican
one view. Hahah. You mean the

1116
01:45:09,319 --> 01:45:15,359
very council that condemns a pope as
a heretic. That's councils above popes.

1117
01:45:15,399 --> 01:45:23,359
Dude, Vatican One says the opposite
popes are above councils. I'm not interested

1118
01:45:23,399 --> 01:45:28,079
in disputing whether. It doesn't even
matter for the sake of the argument whether

1119
01:45:28,159 --> 01:45:31,119
Honoius was or was not a heretic. The argument is that the attitude of

1120
01:45:31,159 --> 01:45:36,399
the council is not Vatican One,
and the locus of the burden of proof

1121
01:45:36,479 --> 01:45:45,560
was on the Roman Catholic to prove
that in every age it was known and

1122
01:45:45,640 --> 01:45:55,720
held no one, no man can
be in doubt in every age the petrine

1123
01:45:56,079 --> 01:46:06,560
Vatican One views are the case.
So here we are all the way up

1124
01:46:06,560 --> 01:46:16,840
into very nuanced canon law and theology. We even have lists of church fathers

1125
01:46:17,640 --> 01:46:25,560
to be appealed to, and we
don't have anything about the exemptions of Rome.

1126
01:46:25,600 --> 01:46:29,079
We don't have anything about know these
canons apply to everybody except the Bishop

1127
01:46:29,079 --> 01:46:30,479
of Rome, of course. And
they will argue, yeah, because it

1128
01:46:30,520 --> 01:46:35,760
was all just presupposed and known.
If it was presupposed unknown, the same

1129
01:46:35,760 --> 01:46:42,560
people wouldn't be enacting canons where you
argue it was not presupposed and known yet

1130
01:46:43,079 --> 01:46:51,159
it was unclear, but it was
also presupposed to know again mutually exclusive claims.

1131
01:46:54,840 --> 01:47:00,159
Canon twenty five mentions problems relating to
provincial synods. Where is the appeal

1132
01:47:00,199 --> 01:47:08,399
to Rome as the final arbiter.
Canon thirty two Holy Fathers at Carthage about

1133
01:47:08,399 --> 01:47:10,680
in the mixing of the water and
the wine. This canon is about the

1134
01:47:10,680 --> 01:47:13,600
water and the wine. The Eucharus
reinforces teating of the church mist for the

1135
01:47:13,640 --> 01:47:16,000
sacrament in the Maner handed down by
the Fathers, bread and water mixed with

1136
01:47:16,039 --> 01:47:23,680
wine, bread mixed with wine and
water, which is supposed to signify by

1137
01:47:23,720 --> 01:47:29,079
the way grace and Theosis in our
theology. Of course, Rome screws up

1138
01:47:29,079 --> 01:47:32,560
on Theosis in terms of their theology, and so no wonder why they don't

1139
01:47:32,600 --> 01:47:40,399
have the correct administration of the Eucharist, and no wonder why they stopped giving

1140
01:47:40,479 --> 01:47:48,319
children the euchros. Canon thirty six
reaffirms Calceinon and reaffirms that Constant and Nobilize

1141
01:47:48,359 --> 01:47:56,039
equal privileges to Rome Again. Canon
twenty eight they say, is itself anti

1142
01:47:56,720 --> 01:48:00,199
papal supremacy, and yet this is
reaffirmed. I mean Canon twenty eight of

1143
01:48:00,319 --> 01:48:04,319
Nicia, which means that Trollo is
anti papal supremacy, which means that the

1144
01:48:04,319 --> 01:48:14,720
Seventh Council is anti papal supremacy because
it reaffirms Trollo Canon fifty five City of

1145
01:48:14,760 --> 01:48:17,239
the Romans. I'm gonna skip down
to his summaries. You can go read

1146
01:48:17,279 --> 01:48:20,920
all these. You can read it
right there on the screen. The Council

1147
01:48:20,960 --> 01:48:25,880
condems a practice that have developed a
Roman Church against the apsolt Cans, that

1148
01:48:25,920 --> 01:48:30,760
councils have authority over anyone bishop.
So again it's a nodality. Canon eighty

1149
01:48:30,760 --> 01:48:34,800
two has to do with icons that
there's no you can't do the lamb.

1150
01:48:34,880 --> 01:48:39,000
The lamb is canonically forbidden. Of
course Roman Catholics do this all the time.

1151
01:48:39,000 --> 01:48:41,760
They don't care because again demonstrating they
don't care about the Seventh Council,

1152
01:48:42,000 --> 01:48:47,279
because that canon is particularly relevant to
the Icon Council. In seven eighty seven,

1153
01:48:48,359 --> 01:48:59,079
because again Trollo is reaffirmed in Icia
two, kneeling is not permitted on

1154
01:48:59,119 --> 01:49:08,119
Sunday because the Resurrection. Every Roman
Catholic does kneelers can it's two and I

1155
01:49:08,119 --> 01:49:12,800
see it. Two seventy seven.
We have the reaffirmation of the previous councils.

1156
01:49:14,920 --> 01:49:18,479
The faith is completely and eternally unchangeable. Now notice remember Abara says that

1157
01:49:19,359 --> 01:49:25,640
iconography is an evolved, developed doctrine
that wasn't in the early Church, and

1158
01:49:25,680 --> 01:49:30,840
it's ratified and explained in the Seventh
Council because it wasn't there before. The

1159
01:49:30,000 --> 01:49:34,359
very thing the first Canon says is
that the tradition of the Church is unchangeable

1160
01:49:34,399 --> 01:49:39,159
and does not evolve. The very
opposite of what Ibarra says. The fullness

1161
01:49:39,159 --> 01:49:41,520
of the faith was given to the
apostles, thus it does not develop or

1162
01:49:41,520 --> 01:49:46,119
evolve. Now you understand that anybody
in the first century had the fullness of

1163
01:49:46,159 --> 01:49:50,560
the faith, and on the Roman
Catholic system, that's not possible because they

1164
01:49:50,600 --> 01:49:53,960
did. Did they have Vatican One
in the first century? Did they have

1165
01:49:54,000 --> 01:49:59,439
Vatican One in the fourth century?
Oh? Wait, actually the Roman Catholics

1166
01:49:59,439 --> 01:50:00,760
say yes they did. Oh,
but also the no, they didn't because

1167
01:50:00,800 --> 01:50:06,760
it evolved the confirmation of what was
in the action and the bushess must be

1168
01:50:06,840 --> 01:50:10,279
chosen by bishops. Nothing to do
with the Bishop of Rome. And Canon

1169
01:50:10,279 --> 01:50:19,000
three affirming all the bishop in the
world. That's another innovation. Next canon

1170
01:50:19,159 --> 01:50:23,880
is ten summary. Another canon explained
the bishops are meant to stay in their

1171
01:50:23,880 --> 01:50:26,920
own jurisdictions without a blessing. The
cannon states the permission must be given by

1172
01:50:26,960 --> 01:50:30,399
the bishoc content novel for a bishops
serving another area, not the Bishop of

1173
01:50:30,439 --> 01:50:32,880
Rome, showing that authority the bishop
Roman bishop is limited to the West exactly.

1174
01:50:33,159 --> 01:50:36,399
Now, remember, we're gonna look
at what Roman Catholic theologists today on

1175
01:50:36,439 --> 01:50:41,279
the basis of the Chi eighty document. What do they say? Oh?

1176
01:50:41,399 --> 01:50:45,560
Uh oh, how are we to
reconcile that the dogmatic formation of Vatican's universal

1177
01:50:45,680 --> 01:50:51,239
Vatican One's universalizing claim with the now
public admitted historical fact of the regional limitations

1178
01:50:51,239 --> 01:50:54,840
of the authority the Bishop of Rome
in the first millennium. Let's make this

1179
01:50:54,920 --> 01:51:00,439
bigger. That's just one God's opinion. Yeah, but it's his opinion on

1180
01:51:00,479 --> 01:51:11,319
the basis of the joint statement of
the Chi eighty statement kiati whatever however you

1181
01:51:11,399 --> 01:51:15,000
say it, sinidality and premacy during
the first millenniu of the Church is a

1182
01:51:15,000 --> 01:51:19,640
common understanding of the unity of the
Church. And the way the argument this

1183
01:51:19,680 --> 01:51:25,760
guy makes is that the revolutionary statement
in this document is that quote, the

1184
01:51:25,760 --> 01:51:29,560
Bishop of Rome did not exercise canonical
authority over the churches of the East.

1185
01:51:30,119 --> 01:51:35,119
Do you see that Wow. Right, that's paragraph nineteen of the of the

1186
01:51:35,159 --> 01:51:44,800
papally approved Doctrine, I mean a
document on sinidality, the chi eighty document,

1187
01:51:44,880 --> 01:51:49,199
a recent document. And even this
guy who is trying to explain and

1188
01:51:49,239 --> 01:51:53,840
give an account of how maybe we
could reconcile these things, he says,

1189
01:51:54,520 --> 01:51:58,520
yes, this is pretty hard to
reconcile with. Pastor attornis right, I

1190
01:51:58,560 --> 01:52:01,680
mean, yeah, exactly. The
Chiady document says the Bishop of Rome did

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01:52:01,680 --> 01:52:10,359
not exercise canonical authority over the churches
of the East. In other words,

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01:52:10,479 --> 01:52:17,239
what I'm telling you about the canons
is what's admitted here. This Roman Sea

1193
01:52:17,319 --> 01:52:28,840
approved document is admitting the limitations of
the jurisdictions in all these canons that we've

1194
01:52:28,840 --> 01:52:33,560
been talking about for the last two
hours. And this rando Roman Catholic theologian

1195
01:52:33,680 --> 01:52:40,239
is saying, hey, how do
we reconcile? I mean, how does

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01:52:40,279 --> 01:52:47,640
pastor atturn us Vatican one reconcile with
the publicly admitted fact In other words,

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01:52:47,840 --> 01:52:55,159
Vatican one and Papalism are contrary to
facts he says, namely paragraph nineteen of

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01:52:55,199 --> 01:52:59,600
the Chiady document, which says the
Bishop of Rome did not exercise canonical authority

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01:52:59,600 --> 01:53:06,039
over the Tree of the East.
And if you think that's heretical to say

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01:53:06,079 --> 01:53:10,640
that, then you've just said that
the pope is a heretic because that's a

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01:53:10,680 --> 01:53:16,800
papally approved ecumenical document. So now
the pope has dissented from a doctrine.

1202
01:53:17,600 --> 01:53:23,039
And what did did I already exit
out? Yeah? What what did Leo

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01:53:23,560 --> 01:53:30,920
say? That if you dissent in
one doctrine you're no longer Catholic canon?

1204
01:53:30,960 --> 01:53:35,880
Eleven? The ecumenae ought to be
in the episcopal palaces and in the monasteries.

1205
01:53:36,520 --> 01:53:41,359
And I'm going to summarize that privileges
that Rome has are granted to the

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01:53:41,399 --> 01:53:45,880
pope were historically those also the patriarch
Count Santinople in this attitude. The note

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01:53:45,880 --> 01:53:50,680
in the chef set says, among
the officials of the Constantopolitan Church, Cadinas

1208
01:53:50,720 --> 01:53:58,800
is named first as the grand Ecumenical, the grand universal Ecumenus, who says

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01:53:58,920 --> 01:54:03,640
holds his all the faculties of the
church and all their returns, and is

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01:54:03,680 --> 01:54:08,800
the dispenser of this matter as well
as a patriarch or the church. Now

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01:54:09,520 --> 01:54:17,239
that language is that language, would
you conclude that that means papal supremacy?

1212
01:54:17,399 --> 01:54:23,880
Of course it doesn't. Nobody believes
that it's an example of flowery grand language

1213
01:54:23,960 --> 01:54:29,039
that all of these people used in
this time period. Multiple patriarch hats spoke

1214
01:54:29,079 --> 01:54:32,800
this way. I mean this literally
reads like a quote papal quote mine,

1215
01:54:36,119 --> 01:54:45,119
but it's for Constantinople. The point
is that it's a perfect example of the

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01:54:45,199 --> 01:54:51,479
language that nobody would believe refers to
Vatican one type ideas used by the patriarch

1217
01:54:51,520 --> 01:54:58,239
Constantinople, who nobody believes has Vatican
one powers, except that Bartholomew is starting

1218
01:54:58,279 --> 01:55:03,479
to think that he does, apparently, But yet that phrase there reads just

1219
01:55:03,640 --> 01:55:08,840
like a papal quote mine, And
so it's an example of how they spoke

1220
01:55:08,960 --> 01:55:15,000
and use language at this time that
does not prove Vatican One, you see.

1221
01:55:15,119 --> 01:55:18,399
So anyway, if you want to
yourself go through this, here's this

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01:55:18,520 --> 01:55:21,079
at my site. You can just
go look up all these canons. They're

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01:55:21,079 --> 01:55:26,279
well known. I mean, these
are the very things that the Kiati document

1224
01:55:26,359 --> 01:55:38,159
talks about as being the reason why
Catholic World Report admits doctor Adam Deville that

1225
01:55:40,680 --> 01:55:47,119
how are we going to reconcile the
limitation of jurisdictions in the first thousand years

1226
01:55:48,279 --> 01:55:56,399
with the claims of Vatican One and
the document admits ram did not have canonical

1227
01:55:56,399 --> 01:55:59,479
authority over the Church of the East. Okay, then Vatican one is not

1228
01:55:59,479 --> 01:56:04,600
true. I mean it's not rocket
science here because Vatican one literally clearly says

1229
01:56:05,279 --> 01:56:10,840
that the Church has universal canonical authority
in jurisdiction and anybody who wants to challenge

1230
01:56:10,880 --> 01:56:19,399
that is just a ridiculous person and
not worth your time. So with that,

1231
01:56:19,760 --> 01:56:23,079
I will give you here again.
Did I get that I put the

1232
01:56:23,119 --> 01:56:27,920
link in there or not? I
can't remember if I did. So here's

1233
01:56:27,960 --> 01:56:45,920
the link to the canons, and
we will do super jets. I gotta

1234
01:56:45,960 --> 01:56:48,560
go back and make sure I see
everybody super chat from yesterday too. Okay,

1235
01:56:48,600 --> 01:56:51,279
so if the lone ass asked yesterday, ten dollars, I have a

1236
01:56:51,279 --> 01:56:55,880
longtime super chatter. Thank you very
much. And this is a first time

1237
01:56:55,960 --> 01:57:00,000
viewer. How did you super chat
if you didn't view that's confusing, dude,

1238
01:57:00,279 --> 01:57:04,399
that's that's like, that's like papal
logic there. But whatever, I'll

1239
01:57:04,439 --> 01:57:08,960
accept it. I'll be I'll be
a papist for a moment and accept crazy

1240
01:57:09,319 --> 01:57:12,520
things that I don't understand. It
don't make sense. Trad culture preservation.

1241
01:57:12,560 --> 01:57:15,560
Five dollars. Thank you for being
such a light in my life. Your

1242
01:57:15,600 --> 01:57:20,760
workplace studying cultural anthropology helped me to
see through the closed minded attitude of most

1243
01:57:20,760 --> 01:57:26,000
super Western culture that prevailed and Catholicism
of my birth stay based friend. Thank

1244
01:57:26,039 --> 01:57:30,520
you very much. Of course,
every Roman, Catholic and Convert in our

1245
01:57:30,520 --> 01:57:34,000
discord are all soft puppets. They're
all fake. So all Brekt has pointed

1246
01:57:34,039 --> 01:57:38,960
out there is no discord that has
seven thou five hundred people. It's just

1247
01:57:39,039 --> 01:57:42,680
bots. It's literally all fake.
That's that's what he said. So thank

1248
01:57:42,720 --> 01:57:46,079
you bought number two five three,
five, six nine two for pretending to

1249
01:57:46,079 --> 01:57:49,119
be a convert Alex three dollars.
Hey, Jay, you recently mentioned that

1250
01:57:49,159 --> 01:57:54,279
in the natural world points to Christ. Would you mind sharing any books or

1251
01:57:54,279 --> 01:57:57,399
resources on the matter. Yeah,
just read Saint Maximus, right, the

1252
01:57:57,439 --> 01:58:00,119
doctrine of the logie. That's the
whole point of the Doctor of the Well.

1253
01:58:00,119 --> 01:58:03,319
It's one of the points, not
the whole point. But the creative

1254
01:58:03,319 --> 01:58:08,800
world is made on the basis of
the logi. Who are the logos?

1255
01:58:08,920 --> 01:58:13,800
The mini logi are the one logos, and the one logos is present in

1256
01:58:13,840 --> 01:58:19,600
the mini logi. So just read
Ambigum seven at Saint Maximus is a good

1257
01:58:19,600 --> 01:58:23,640
place to start with that, Clint
ten dollars, I appreciate your work.

1258
01:58:23,800 --> 01:58:28,439
Happy New Year, Thank you well. Emmannual ten dollars. It seems that

1259
01:58:28,479 --> 01:58:31,680
most SuDS are quick to agree with
the eclectic vision of the religions that are

1260
01:58:31,680 --> 01:58:34,720
all the same view, right,
so they have like a seoge usually,

1261
01:58:34,800 --> 01:58:40,279
Yeah, the other religions are one
man and they share some ancient symbolism,

1262
01:58:40,359 --> 01:58:44,800
Okay, but sharing some symbolisms and
things does not mean that they're all the

1263
01:58:44,840 --> 01:58:51,840
same. Right. That's the quantifier
shift fallacy. That's the what was it

1264
01:58:51,880 --> 01:59:02,840
from the Garibie paper, the non
transferable, the non transferability of predicates and

1265
01:59:02,880 --> 01:59:09,319
epistemic and intentional contexts. And that's
what it is that you just because there's

1266
01:59:09,560 --> 01:59:15,079
the same word used in different contexts
in intentional settings, doesn't mean that everything

1267
01:59:15,199 --> 01:59:19,119
is being referred to as the same
and so just and by extension, the

1268
01:59:19,159 --> 01:59:25,399
fact that there's commonalities amongst many world
religions does not prove that there's one world

1269
01:59:25,479 --> 01:59:36,479
religion or that they all had the
same perennialus type structure or origin. Pano

1270
01:59:36,560 --> 01:59:40,920
for three dollars was pano? He
says, Happy New Year's Jay in Greece.

1271
01:59:40,960 --> 01:59:44,800
There's a saying that thank God for
the Turks, they protected us from

1272
01:59:44,800 --> 01:59:51,319
the Latins. Catholicism is a slow
boy factory. These papal lawyers have atrophied

1273
01:59:51,359 --> 02:00:00,960
minds due to absolute divine simplicity,
or you could say absolute efficiency syndrome.

1274
02:00:00,079 --> 02:00:05,600
It's another that's another way to do
adios, completely leveling everything onto logically exactly

1275
02:00:06,039 --> 02:00:11,560
into orthodoxy five dollars. Do you
know of a historical connection between the imposition

1276
02:00:11,600 --> 02:00:18,039
of papal infallibility and the rise of
fascism? I mean there's these you know,

1277
02:00:18,199 --> 02:00:23,840
there were these accords that were had
between who's the player, somebody a

1278
02:00:23,920 --> 02:00:29,359
saint who killed a bunch of Orthodox
people that it's a it begins with a

1279
02:00:29,479 --> 02:00:33,319
you guy. The name escapes me, but somebody in the chat will remember

1280
02:00:33,359 --> 02:00:39,239
that. So uh yeah, Actually
there is some some connection on that that

1281
02:00:39,439 --> 02:00:42,159
I don't know a lot about that
though that's not really my my history.

1282
02:00:42,199 --> 02:00:48,399
Who is it? So it's mentioned
in Metropolitan Sera Seraphima Pereus's little letter slash

1283
02:00:48,399 --> 02:00:57,079
book to Pote Francis the it's on
the tip of my tongue. What's his

1284
02:00:57,199 --> 02:01:11,439
name? Roman Catholic prelate or dude
that killed and persecuted. He was one

1285
02:01:11,439 --> 02:01:14,600
of the fascists that killed a bunch
of Orthodox and then I think Rome sainted

1286
02:01:14,680 --> 02:01:18,880
him. What's the name? It's
on the top of my tongue. Stars

1287
02:01:18,880 --> 02:01:26,279
with you. No, I can't
remember what it is. Anyway, somebody

1288
02:01:26,319 --> 02:01:30,920
in the chat will know. I'll
look back in a minute. Uh,

1289
02:01:31,319 --> 02:01:35,640
I just went blank on this this
this thing. Stepanic, that's it.

1290
02:01:36,239 --> 02:01:40,600
Thank you, Patrick Stephani. I
don't know where I got Utrecht. That's

1291
02:01:40,640 --> 02:01:46,000
weird. Uh. Yes, And
didn't he relate to that? I think

1292
02:01:46,039 --> 02:01:57,520
that's right. Yeah. Now maybe
you meant the doctrine of infallibility and not

1293
02:01:57,600 --> 02:02:00,840
the paper, the people, not
the poet, but the doctrine. There

1294
02:02:00,880 --> 02:02:03,520
probably is some connection. I'd have
to think about that more. I don't

1295
02:02:03,520 --> 02:02:11,720
know. Ustashi, that's it.
That's what I was thinking of. Thank

1296
02:02:11,760 --> 02:02:18,079
you. I went blame for the
Uh orthodoxychlor Queen, excellent work. Here's

1297
02:02:18,079 --> 02:02:21,920
a question to ask trad Catholics.
Did the gates of Hell prevail against the

1298
02:02:21,920 --> 02:02:26,920
doctrinal and liturgical reforms about it?
Continue? Yeah? Exactly what does doctorum

1299
02:02:26,960 --> 02:02:32,319
fide say you cannot reject rights and
disciplines liturgical rights? In that case?

1300
02:02:32,560 --> 02:02:39,079
And disciplines that the Roman Sea gives
because the Jansenists did, and the Janseness

1301
02:02:39,119 --> 02:02:43,039
were condemned for doing that. So
literally, the Trads are making Jansonius arguments

1302
02:02:43,039 --> 02:02:45,720
that were condemned to the noctorum fy
day, regardless of whether they say yes

1303
02:02:45,840 --> 02:02:54,720
or no. The whole of Catholic
papal centric paradigms is thus disproven. Yeah,

1304
02:02:54,720 --> 02:02:57,600
because it's really hard to argue with
the practical facts. Let's see,

1305
02:02:57,600 --> 02:03:02,560
I'm trying to think, how would
a Roman Catholic mentally gymnasticized their way around

1306
02:03:02,640 --> 02:03:06,520
that one? Did the Gates of
Hell prevail against the liturgical reforms of atticant

1307
02:03:06,520 --> 02:03:13,439
too. The documents themselves are not
a problem, it's the liberals that are

1308
02:03:13,560 --> 02:03:19,640
enacting it. You mean the liberals
like the pope. The pope who does

1309
02:03:20,199 --> 02:03:27,359
puppet masses. Yes, Burgolio did
giant puppet masses, played that many times

1310
02:03:28,680 --> 02:03:33,479
ten dollars. Are there any other
pagan philosophers aside from played in Aristotle who

1311
02:03:33,520 --> 02:03:41,640
were discussed or reference to the Church
fathers? Yeah, I mean tons of

1312
02:03:41,640 --> 02:03:49,079
them, Stoics, Neoplatonists, Porphyry, I mean Plotinus, I mean all

1313
02:03:49,159 --> 02:03:54,159
kinds of philosophers are mentioned. In
various ways and in various places, and

1314
02:03:57,479 --> 02:04:00,880
a good book on that. I
would say read Pelican's book on Metamorphosis of

1315
02:04:01,079 --> 02:04:06,920
natural Theology in the Cappadocians. So
Yarislav Pelicon's book is a great book showing

1316
02:04:06,960 --> 02:04:13,479
how the Hellenic view of natural theology
gets transformed by the Cappa Docians. Again,

1317
02:04:14,039 --> 02:04:17,600
why there's not natural theology? If
anybody read that Pelicon book or had

1318
02:04:17,640 --> 02:04:20,560
read may end or if they would
know the arguments I was going to make.

1319
02:04:20,680 --> 02:04:27,199
But Jpoppy twenty dollars, thank you
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just from taking chalk, how to
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1325
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I'm playing around right because I'm not
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fighter. No, really, I
do actually want to I've been taking thinking

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about taking some Brazilian jiu jitsu classes
what not because of like I'm actually gonna

1328
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be in the octagon or something,
but because there's some some things that I

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02:05:13,319 --> 02:05:18,520
might try to do. So basically
that there's this thing about a movie role.

1330
02:05:18,520 --> 02:05:20,600
I don't know if it's true or
not. I can't really tell if

1331
02:05:20,640 --> 02:05:24,359
the guy's being serious, but he
had mentioned, well, if you do

1332
02:05:24,399 --> 02:05:27,560
think you want to try to be
in a film, he said, you

1333
02:05:27,640 --> 02:05:32,680
might want to take a jiu jitsu
class. Because it's like, I don't

1334
02:05:32,720 --> 02:05:38,039
know something to do with the role
anyway, So maybe I mean, I

1335
02:05:38,039 --> 02:05:42,159
mean, I'm not gonna go to
Dallas to take jiu jitsu, but I

1336
02:05:42,199 --> 02:05:45,279
have been to Dallas, so but
then I also might enter the octagon to

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fight Sam Hide and Butterbean at once. Who knows. Right, But if

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not a shock jock. I'm a
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and maybe you want to get rid
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1366
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that. I'm just joking. Doesn't
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for the ju jitsu. Appreciate that. Jmail thirty dollars due. Catholics have

1375
02:08:39,079 --> 02:08:45,640
the tradition of fronema as in the
Orthodox No, I mean fronima means the

1376
02:08:45,680 --> 02:08:52,760
mindset, so I guess just in
a general sense of attaining the Catholic mindset,

1377
02:08:52,039 --> 02:08:56,960
they would use that terminology. But
for example, one thing antithetical to

1378
02:08:58,600 --> 02:09:03,159
the Orthodox tradition would be the usage
of imagination in prayer. And many of

1379
02:09:03,159 --> 02:09:09,039
the Roman Catholic Historyonic women quote saints
are all about using your imagination and coming

1380
02:09:09,119 --> 02:09:11,920
up with all these crazy scenarios,
right like Alfonda Lagloria has all these sermons

1381
02:09:11,920 --> 02:09:16,520
where he tells you to picture yourself
in the midst of all the terrible torments

1382
02:09:16,520 --> 02:09:20,159
of Hell all the time. So
orthodoxeology does not promote the usage of imagination

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in prayer, and that would be
one example of completely different fronema mindsets.

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So they don't mean what we mean. Hickory Dickory eighty six ten dollars.

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You mentioned that earlier the schism had
been healed. I just if you go

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to my Twitter, I tweeted Snacks, retweeted snack in it was like two

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weeks ago maybe, so I don't
remember what exactly what day that was,

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but it was one of those local
jurisdictional problems that had been solved somewhere I

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think in Eastern Europe. But yeah, yeah, go look that up.

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So, and we were making the
point on Twitter that, you know,

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the the Ruman Catholic starts like they
can never solve their their ecclesial jurisdictional problems,

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even though we just had one solved. So raw stakes five dollars.

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Is there any church Father's saints?
I talk about the martyrs outside the or

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the Orthodox Church, for example,
martyrs that were in non Calcedonian churches.

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No, not to my knowledge,
because you know, by definition, a

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martyr would most likely be seen as
a saint, and a saint is somebody

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who is joined in some way,
even if extraordinary, extraordinarily via God,

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to the body of the Orthodox Church. That's the only way to be saved

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for anybody. And if God has
extraordinary means by which you can do that,

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that's possible for God to do that. But I don't know of any

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that are saints. I mean,
I mean, in other words, that

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would be an exception and we wouldn't
know. We wouldn't know that about them

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until maybe the ascanton or something,
right, But saints are people that have

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the Orthodox faith, So I would
say kind of by definition. No,

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Frankie D five dollars. Thanks for
all the work that you do. I

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continue to read Papacy and Orthodox by
Shasinsky, really good info so far.

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I'm so worrying about Peter as a
historical man. What do you think about

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the different confessions? What do you
think about different confessions and petri mission of

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each gospel. I'm not sure what
you mean. You mean, like the

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way Peter is treated in the Gospels, I'm not sure. I'm not sure

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what that means. Why did the
Roman Church have the same reason, Brad,

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I'm sorry, Brad. Ten dollars? Why did the Roman Church have

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the same reason that it fell into
relative disuse? To explain fasting practices and

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the use of the Rosary? Understand, Like, so, I mean the

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Roman if I remember the Romancchaalolic story
is that the Rosary is delivered to dominic

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right by Mary. So it wouldn't
have fallen out of disuse because it was

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miraculously supposedly revealed from Mary to Dominick. What is it have different fasting practices?

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Probably because asceticism became something that the
Roman Church said was just from monastics.

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So you know, the Orthodox Church
had the tradition, the older tradition

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that no, it's Fascinus for everybody. So but I think that's what you're

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getting at in that question. So
hopefully that's a sufficient answer. But all

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right, thank you guys, if
you would please hit like and share.

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Hopefully this was a useful Part two. I mean, hopefully we conveyed the

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point that Vatican one it has a
tall a tall order, right, that's

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a big order, that's claims,
right, and given those big claims,

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we would expect to see not a
few quote minds, but consistent, constant,

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conciliar evidence. Do we see that. No, what we see is

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consistent, concilier evidence to the contrary, which Roman callout. Theology nowadays has

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admitted, as I showed you in
you can go read the Chi eighty kiat

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document itself. Right. Sometimes that
link doesn't work, so you might have

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to do a little digging to find
the actual statements. But it's actually just

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paragraph nineteen, which says that the
Roman bishop didn't have canonical authority over the

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churches of the East in the first
millennium. Okay, thank you. So

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now you've admitted that the Orthodox position
is true, and Rome admits that Rome

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has approved that document, so thank
you for admitting that we were right.

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Cringe, Emo boomer five dollars.
Do you know where I can find the

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go arch document that speaks about not
evangelizing? Yes, that is in what

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is that book called? I've got
it in the other room, and if

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I go trying to look for it, it'll take me forever to find it.

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It is the Greek Orthodox Archdiocese manual, and I think it has a

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bunch of different chapters by different authors. Here's how you can find that page

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if you go to Twitter. Now, go to Google and search jade ire

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02:14:35,079 --> 02:14:45,000
Comma Twitter Comma Greek Ortho Archdiocese says
don't proselytize, and maybe my tweet of

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that book showing what it says will
pop up. But if you want to

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buy the book, let me look
real quick. Maybe I can. Maybe

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that book's for sale. Maybe it's
out of print. I don't know,

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but let me see if I can
find it. Hyeah uh, Maybe I

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should I look on should look on
Amazon. It would be the place to

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find that. Let's try Amazon to
see if it comes up. No,

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no, so mhmm, that's probably
out of print. M I know,

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how can find it. Let's see, maybe this will work. Oh,

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I found it. There we go, all right, amazing. I can't

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believe on that. So it actually
did come up under what I said to

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search. So it says dealing with
other Christians the experience and they make it

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bigger. I can't even read this
because on my screen it's really the obs

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is tiny. The experience of being
subject to massive proselytizing efforts has caused the

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formulation of a multifaceted policy. First, it is meant that Orthodoxy has sought

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to influence other churches, primarily through
the Ecumenical movement, to renounce systematic proselytizing

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02:17:37,319 --> 02:17:43,159
programs. First, it has meant
that Orthodoxy has sought to influence other churches,

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02:17:43,200 --> 02:17:52,440
primarily through the Ecumenical movement quote,
to renounce systematic proselytizing programs generally accepted

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02:17:52,440 --> 02:17:56,280
in the Ecumenical movement. They are
not and they are not widely practiced.

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So in other words, it's saying
orthodox were proselytized on and this has caused

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the formulation of a multifaceted policy,
so that supposedly the Orthodox Church has different

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02:18:16,000 --> 02:18:24,840
policies. First, we have sought
to influence other churches through acumenism to not

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proselytize. Second, the Orthodox do
not themselves proselytize. So it's saying that

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first when we adopted a humanism,
which we don't adopt a humanism. That's

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false first of all. Then it
goes on to say we do not practice

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proselytism in the sense that we do
not actively seek to cause the defection of

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others from non orthodox faiths. Are
you serious? I mean total nonsense.

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Yes, we do. Every church
father iled heterodoxy to bring Orthodox back to

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the faith, and this would be
the promotion of indifferentism. So there it

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is. I pointed this out for
years. I don't know, people think

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I make this up. No,
I don't make it up. I bought

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that book in two thousand and seven, and that kind of stuff was one

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of the reasons that back in the
day I didn't convert because I saw stuff

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like that. I was like,
well, I mean, are you serious.

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Do you think the church fathers don't
convert people out of heresy? Just

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leave them in their heresy? Yeah, you just stay in your Ariyan church,

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bro, because we don't proselytize it. It's just ridiculous, right,

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anybody knows anything would There's no way
you could accept that. I mean,

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it's just ridiculous. But that is
the Greek Orthodox Archdiocese manual, which is

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not in print, apparently because I
didn't see it on Amazon. Greek Orthodox Archdiocese Manuals