WEBVTT 1 00:00:01.840 --> 00:00:07.440 Welcome to Open Minds Radio with your host Alejandro Rojas, former official spokesperson for 2 00:00:07.559 --> 00:00:12.759 the Mutual UFO Network. Alejandro who has been a UFO paranormal researcher and journalists 3 00:00:12.759 --> 00:00:17.359 for nearly a decade and has long hours in the field investigating the paranormal up 4 00:00:17.399 --> 00:00:22.239 close and personal, and now Open Minds Radio presents evidence in the latest news 5 00:00:22.320 --> 00:00:29.000 regarding the UFO phenomenon. Here's your host, Alejandro Rojas. Hello, and 6 00:00:29.160 --> 00:00:33.759 welcome to Open Minds Radio. This is your host Alejandro Rojas, and we 7 00:00:33.840 --> 00:00:39.240 have another great show today. In fact, you know, I heard something 8 00:00:39.280 --> 00:00:42.799 good about the way I pronounced my name. I don't speak Spanish, and 9 00:00:42.840 --> 00:00:47.640 I feel self conscious about that sometimes, but I was meeting with famous Mexican 10 00:00:47.719 --> 00:00:52.119 ufologist Time Mussan yesterday and his crew, and they said, I say my 11 00:00:52.240 --> 00:00:58.640 name just mine. It's very good Spanish pronunciation. Very good, very good, 12 00:00:58.799 --> 00:01:03.560 very good. Today is a great show. We've got James Fox. 13 00:01:03.679 --> 00:01:11.239 He's created everybody's favorite UFO documentaries. He's done three of them, actually, 14 00:01:11.280 --> 00:01:15.879 fifty Years of Denial out of the Blue. And I know what I saw, 15 00:01:15.280 --> 00:01:19.799 which has just recently been shown on the Discovery Channel, and it's being 16 00:01:19.879 --> 00:01:23.560 shown on there. Out of the Blue, I know, was really big 17 00:01:23.599 --> 00:01:29.400 when that came out. Everybody was real excited about Out of the Blue when 18 00:01:29.400 --> 00:01:33.640 it came out because it was just so much evident, so many great credible 19 00:01:33.680 --> 00:01:38.680 witnesses. He did such a great job putting that together. So he continued 20 00:01:38.719 --> 00:01:44.920 on with I know what I saw, and we'll be talking to him about 21 00:01:45.959 --> 00:01:49.959 how that went, you know, how he put this together, the experiences 22 00:01:49.000 --> 00:01:53.519 he had, and why he's done that. And I paused because I noticed 23 00:01:53.519 --> 00:01:57.439 out of the Blue, by the way, showed on the Sci Fi Channel 24 00:01:57.719 --> 00:02:00.159 a lot, and I know what I saw was recently on the History Channel. 25 00:02:00.200 --> 00:02:06.599 I think I said, Discovery, sorry about that. The History Channel, 26 00:02:06.599 --> 00:02:10.199 which it's shown a lot of great UFO shows UFO Files, was when 27 00:02:10.240 --> 00:02:15.080 they showed a lot for a while. And what's funny is that when it 28 00:02:15.159 --> 00:02:21.520 comes to like New Year's Day or even Christmas Day, sometimes they'll show every 29 00:02:21.599 --> 00:02:25.639 year one of those big holidays, they show UFO shows almost all day long. 30 00:02:27.039 --> 00:02:30.039 And what's great about the UFO or the History Channel ones is at least 31 00:02:30.080 --> 00:02:35.479 they finally stopped having a debunker at the end of the show. Used to 32 00:02:35.520 --> 00:02:40.080 be all the shows had a Debunker at the end, but History Channel broke 33 00:02:40.120 --> 00:02:44.280 that change. So we're gonna be talking to James Box, a great guy, 34 00:02:44.319 --> 00:02:46.719 an incredible guy, a lot of fun, and we'll also be talking 35 00:02:46.759 --> 00:02:52.199 about something a little off topic for a second where he's at right now, 36 00:02:52.520 --> 00:02:54.680 because of course, in that last little break you heard the news about VP 37 00:02:54.879 --> 00:02:59.639 and everybody knows about the oil spill and everything. He's out there and he's 38 00:02:59.639 --> 00:03:05.400 made some shocking discoveries out there recently, so good just today. So we'll 39 00:03:05.400 --> 00:03:10.039 talk a little bit about that when he gets on. However, before we 40 00:03:10.120 --> 00:03:15.039 get to our guests, let's go ahead and talk news. Every day, 41 00:03:15.159 --> 00:03:22.000 practically every day, we're posting UFO news from conventional news sources on our website, 42 00:03:22.039 --> 00:03:28.240 Open Mindset TV, and every radio show. We have our news correspondent, 43 00:03:28.319 --> 00:03:30.919 Jason McLellan here to share those news stories with us. Hey, Jason, 44 00:03:34.759 --> 00:03:37.479 I take my microphone. There we go, and now I can say 45 00:03:37.479 --> 00:03:40.719 it again. Greeting Zalehundro readings, my friend, Hello Phoenix, and hello 46 00:03:40.759 --> 00:03:45.080 world. This is your Open Minds News brief for Monday, June sixth, 47 00:03:45.120 --> 00:03:50.319 twenty ten. The future of the Annual Roswell UFO Festival may be in jeopardy. 48 00:03:50.800 --> 00:03:53.759 The Roswell City Council recently approved a preliminary budget for next year, and 49 00:03:53.840 --> 00:03:59.120 it didn't include any funding for next year's festival. This year's UFO festival had 50 00:03:59.120 --> 00:04:01.960 AIG had a budget of one hundred fifty thousand dollars, but some officials feel 51 00:04:01.960 --> 00:04:06.639 that using city funds for the festival is outrageous. City officials plan to review 52 00:04:06.680 --> 00:04:12.000 the budget and determine whether or not to use lodging tax revenues to fund thet 53 00:04:12.039 --> 00:04:15.879 Roswell UFO Festival next year. Now, Alejandro, I know that you've been 54 00:04:15.919 --> 00:04:21.839 involved at this festival before, and you've been there many times, and isn't 55 00:04:23.160 --> 00:04:29.720 the festival and tourism in general really the lifeblood of Roswell Well? I guess 56 00:04:30.000 --> 00:04:32.959 from what I understand there have even been a couple of hotels that have popped 57 00:04:33.040 --> 00:04:38.360 up solely for the reason of the festival, So that would be damaging, 58 00:04:38.399 --> 00:04:41.040 I think, to the city if they let it go completely. Luckily, 59 00:04:41.079 --> 00:04:45.600 only one of the officials had said it was a complete waste of money, 60 00:04:45.920 --> 00:04:49.120 so they'll probably cut the budget a bit, but hopefully open minds will be 61 00:04:49.199 --> 00:04:53.240 there to save the day. We're a major sponsor of the event. This 62 00:04:53.360 --> 00:04:58.399 year, I'll be speaking and so come to Roswell on the fourth of July 63 00:04:58.480 --> 00:05:01.279 weekend and I know we'll talk to him and see how we can help out 64 00:05:01.319 --> 00:05:03.560 next year. Huh, that'd be great. You want to come and wear 65 00:05:03.600 --> 00:05:09.160 an het outfit or something, I'll do what I have to. Thank you, 66 00:05:09.160 --> 00:05:11.839 you know. The news. The Boston Globe published an article last week 67 00:05:11.879 --> 00:05:16.959 about the Association for Psychology Psychological Science as the annual convention that just took place. 68 00:05:17.279 --> 00:05:21.439 The article highlights a panel discussion that took place at the convention entitled Alien 69 00:05:21.480 --> 00:05:28.839 Abduction Experiences, Normal Science or Revolutionary Science. Alejandro, this goes right to 70 00:05:28.920 --> 00:05:31.199 your points and I love bringing it up time and time again. This shows 71 00:05:31.199 --> 00:05:35.639 that scientists are in fact interested in the UFO topic. It was great because 72 00:05:35.639 --> 00:05:41.160 one of the quotes from the guy who runs that organization said, if we 73 00:05:41.199 --> 00:05:46.800 don't look at the amazing claims, the farfetch claims out there, then we're 74 00:05:46.800 --> 00:05:49.720 going to miss out on major discoveries, which is a very wise stance for 75 00:05:49.759 --> 00:05:54.160 a scientist to take. And I know some of the best scientists, like 76 00:05:54.199 --> 00:05:59.000 Einstein, took that stance because that's what discovery is all about, looking into 77 00:05:59.040 --> 00:06:01.480 the unknown. It seems like just this year alone, so many of these 78 00:06:02.120 --> 00:06:08.560 scientific organizations, their annual meetings, their annual conferences, have been addressing the 79 00:06:08.680 --> 00:06:15.040 extraterrestrial UFO PHENANMENA. Yeah, it's really great to see. And of course 80 00:06:15.120 --> 00:06:18.360 we've had some of those people on the show. I interviewed Shostak. In 81 00:06:18.399 --> 00:06:23.839 fact, I should put a piece of that interview together for our show here, 82 00:06:23.879 --> 00:06:26.800 but you can also read about it online. But yeah, we've been 83 00:06:26.839 --> 00:06:30.000 able to talk to a lot of these scientists where they've opened up and they're 84 00:06:30.000 --> 00:06:32.839 at least willing to discuss because even though they disagree with us, they disagree 85 00:06:32.839 --> 00:06:35.040 with each other on a lot of stuff too, right, And I think 86 00:06:35.040 --> 00:06:40.439 we'll have more coming out that we'll want to talk about it. In other 87 00:06:40.519 --> 00:06:43.680 news, evidence of life has been found on Saturn's biggest moon, Titan. 88 00:06:44.399 --> 00:06:49.319 Natha's Cassini probe has analyzed Titan and has found a surface to be the most 89 00:06:49.360 --> 00:06:53.800 earth like world in our Solar System, with mountains, lakes, and rivers. 90 00:06:54.079 --> 00:06:58.079 But the liquid on Titan isn't water, it's methane, and scientists expect 91 00:06:58.160 --> 00:07:02.240 like there to be methane based evidence also shows that hydrogen gas flowing down through 92 00:07:02.279 --> 00:07:08.480 Titan's atmosphere disappears at the surface, leading scientists to believe that alien bugs are 93 00:07:08.560 --> 00:07:14.199 breathing hydrogen. What if they're not bugs, What if they're dinosaurs on Titan. 94 00:07:15.000 --> 00:07:17.439 That could be a big bug. I guess yeah, big giant bugs 95 00:07:17.439 --> 00:07:23.480 like that movie Starship Troopers. Hopefully they're nice. But this is cool. 96 00:07:23.480 --> 00:07:27.439 This is a really cool idea, so exciting. It's so exciting that pretty 97 00:07:27.439 --> 00:07:30.639 soon, I think we're going to discover evidence for life in our Solar system. 98 00:07:30.920 --> 00:07:34.399 If it's on Mars, the closest planet, that's absolutely incredible. But 99 00:07:34.439 --> 00:07:39.399 still, even if it's in our Solar system, what that means is that 100 00:07:39.480 --> 00:07:43.759 life is abundant throughout the universe. And recently we've been talking about, you 101 00:07:43.800 --> 00:07:47.800 know, the additional evidence has come out about life on Mars. So I 102 00:07:47.839 --> 00:07:51.759 think, yeah, we're getting closer. Yeah, it's exciting, very exciting. 103 00:07:51.759 --> 00:07:56.199 We're living in exciting times. I don't know about you, but every 104 00:07:56.240 --> 00:08:00.399 time I live is exciting. Amen, brother, All right, let's go 105 00:08:00.399 --> 00:08:03.839 into some entertainment news. Entertainment news is fun. Dennis Hopper passed away last 106 00:08:03.879 --> 00:08:09.040 week, and while the name Dennis Hopper doesn't make most people think about UFOs. 107 00:08:09.199 --> 00:08:13.160 The actor apparently had an early impact on some UFO researchers. According to 108 00:08:13.199 --> 00:08:16.319 Vancouver based paranormal researcher John Kelly, the script for the movie Easy Writer, 109 00:08:16.480 --> 00:08:22.040 that Hopper co wrote with Peter Fonda, helped introduce UFO information to a large 110 00:08:22.079 --> 00:08:26.160 audience. A scene in the movie shows Dennis Hopper and Jack Nicholson discussing extraterrestrials 111 00:08:26.199 --> 00:08:30.879 and their presence on Earth. They talk about alien bases here on our planet, 112 00:08:31.160 --> 00:08:35.840 alien technology, and government suppression of information. Yeah. At first, 113 00:08:35.879 --> 00:08:39.240 some people were saying, you know, the scene was to set up just 114 00:08:39.240 --> 00:08:43.720 that there are these stone goofballs, But when I rewatched it, that's not 115 00:08:43.840 --> 00:08:46.919 the case. Really, they are talking about Jack Nicholson, who's always a 116 00:08:46.960 --> 00:08:52.000 lot of fun. They're talking about some of the Adams Gay early contact e 117 00:08:52.120 --> 00:08:56.399 stuff that really these people were talking about and was a big deal in UFO 118 00:08:56.519 --> 00:09:01.320 research back then and prior to that. So it was interesting. And you 119 00:09:01.320 --> 00:09:03.679 know, I'd seen that movie years and years ago and didn't remember that scene 120 00:09:03.720 --> 00:09:07.159 at all, and now going back and watching it is incredible. Yeah, 121 00:09:07.200 --> 00:09:11.960 it's so fun. It's a great scene. That's hilarious. We have more 122 00:09:11.080 --> 00:09:16.159 entertainment news. Robbie Williams, the hugely famous UK pop star, And I 123 00:09:16.200 --> 00:09:20.799 love talking about Robbi Williams because I always think back to your story with Ross 124 00:09:20.799 --> 00:09:26.600 Hemsworth. Yeah, you know Robbie Williams. Really, even still now, 125 00:09:26.639 --> 00:09:30.080 I don't think most people in the United States have any idea who Robbie Williams 126 00:09:30.240 --> 00:09:33.879 is. And even if I add a little bit more information and say he 127 00:09:33.039 --> 00:09:39.440 was in the boy band take that who, that doesn't help at all. 128 00:09:39.559 --> 00:09:43.759 Uh huh. But tell your story about when Robbie Williams showed up at the 129 00:09:43.799 --> 00:09:48.879 International UFO Congress two years ago. Yeah, he shows up and everybody's getting 130 00:09:48.879 --> 00:09:52.679 really excited. And I saw Ross grabbing his equipment to go do an interview, 131 00:09:52.679 --> 00:09:54.039 and I said, Ross is from the UK, by the way, 132 00:09:54.320 --> 00:09:58.639 and I asked, who's here and he says Robbie Williams And I said who's 133 00:09:58.679 --> 00:10:01.600 that. They said, Robbie Williams, only the most famous pop saw in 134 00:10:01.639 --> 00:10:05.039 the world. And he went racing off. And that's the only time I 135 00:10:05.039 --> 00:10:09.000 think I disappointed Ross. I didn't know who Robbie was. I love that 136 00:10:09.120 --> 00:10:13.440 story. Yeah, I still don't think most people know who Robby Williams is, 137 00:10:13.840 --> 00:10:18.679 but Robbie Williams is a hugely famous UK pop star. He is reportedly 138 00:10:18.759 --> 00:10:24.440 selling the english manster mansion he just purchased last year. The house is located 139 00:10:24.480 --> 00:10:28.840 in an area with frequent crop circle activity. Williams, who was deeply interested 140 00:10:28.840 --> 00:10:31.679 in the UFO phenomenon, purchased the house with the hopes of spotting UFOs. 141 00:10:33.080 --> 00:10:37.679 But it seems that Robbie's love for his fiance is more than his love for 142 00:10:37.840 --> 00:10:41.399 UFOs because he's packing up and moving to LA to be with her. And 143 00:10:41.799 --> 00:10:45.440 I guess, well, he claims he's moving to LA to be with his 144 00:10:45.519 --> 00:10:50.960 fiance, but maybe he's secretly making the move because he heard about that ring 145 00:10:50.000 --> 00:10:54.519 shaped UFO that was in La last week. Maybe, but then again, 146 00:10:54.559 --> 00:10:58.000 you know, UFOs are all over. He doesn't need to buy some place 147 00:10:58.320 --> 00:11:01.279 in some wor space. He's a pop star. It doesn't have to make 148 00:11:01.320 --> 00:11:07.559 sense with his right ale handra That's all the news I have for today. 149 00:11:07.919 --> 00:11:13.919 Oh right, great, thank you very much. Someone just reminded me dan 150 00:11:13.559 --> 00:11:18.679 Oky good buddy, who was in been listening to the show for a long 151 00:11:18.720 --> 00:11:22.879 time, reminded me that you can watch the show live at open Minds dot 152 00:11:22.919 --> 00:11:31.279 tv. On video on the watch this tab and Dan is having problems because 153 00:11:31.279 --> 00:11:35.519 he can't figure out how to push the buttons. He's out there in the 154 00:11:35.519 --> 00:11:37.360 middle of nowhere, and you know, not that computer savvy, I guess, 155 00:11:37.440 --> 00:11:43.799 but we'll keep helping him until he reaches the destination. But you can 156 00:11:43.919 --> 00:11:46.600 watch us there, which is a lot of fun because then you can see 157 00:11:46.679 --> 00:11:50.080 Jason and all the funny faces that he makes while he's doing the news only 158 00:11:50.120 --> 00:11:54.559 sometimes, but yeah, that's other exciting news. There's some of those rings 159 00:11:54.559 --> 00:12:00.080 that are happening in Australia. This was a new one for me when I 160 00:12:00.159 --> 00:12:03.200 posted the news today. It was the first time I ever posted a news 161 00:12:03.200 --> 00:12:09.799 story on UFOs from ESPN. And it was funny because it was actually related 162 00:12:09.840 --> 00:12:13.879 to a surfer who went out surfing and he saw this UFO that many people 163 00:12:13.919 --> 00:12:18.399 saw of our Australia. It was another one of those rings, and I 164 00:12:18.480 --> 00:12:22.240 think perhaps it was a rocket, But that was kind of interesting ESPN covering 165 00:12:22.320 --> 00:12:26.879 it and they took it very seriously because they take this surfer guy very seriously. 166 00:12:28.039 --> 00:12:33.200 But are these rings rockets? Are not? It's kind of weird that 167 00:12:33.720 --> 00:12:37.360 these rings are happening so much lately. You know, why weren't they happening 168 00:12:37.399 --> 00:12:41.320 before? Why is it only now that people are starting to see some of 169 00:12:41.360 --> 00:12:45.840 these things. So those were two pretty big stories. That's a big story 170 00:12:45.879 --> 00:12:48.919 going on right now. There's a lot of speculation that that was a rocket 171 00:12:48.440 --> 00:12:54.240 launched from Cape Canaveral. It was one of the tech the initial test flight 172 00:12:54.279 --> 00:13:03.159 for a company launching space as part of the new initiative to get private companies 173 00:13:03.240 --> 00:13:07.440 into space, and went off without a hitch, and so the White House 174 00:13:07.519 --> 00:13:11.360 was very excited about that. They were very excited about that. Trying to 175 00:13:11.360 --> 00:13:18.159 get back and restock the space station and hopefully it won't be long till we'll 176 00:13:18.159 --> 00:13:20.679 be doing the show from space. Well, we need to make friends with 177 00:13:22.200 --> 00:13:26.759 Virgin Galactic I think yeah, or Bigelow or Big below Virgin. They'll get 178 00:13:26.799 --> 00:13:30.600 us up there and Big Low provide the space for us. We can have 179 00:13:30.639 --> 00:13:33.679 a suite in his hotel. That would be wonderful. All right, everybody, 180 00:13:33.759 --> 00:13:37.759 stay tuned. We've got some great news coming from James Fox, the 181 00:13:37.879 --> 00:13:45.360 UFO documentary maker. His history in UFO documentaries and some incredibly discoverers discoveries he's 182 00:13:45.360 --> 00:13:56.720 made today. Stay tuned. You're listening to Open Minds Radio. You're listening 183 00:13:56.759 --> 00:14:03.559 to Open Minds Radio with Alejandro Rojas. I'm KFNX News Talk Radio eleven hundred. 184 00:14:05.200 --> 00:14:09.840 Hello and welcome back. You're listening to Open Minds Radio. This is 185 00:14:09.879 --> 00:14:15.320 Alejandro Rojas and we have our guests James Fox on the line, UFO documentary 186 00:14:15.399 --> 00:14:22.799 producer and today when he called me earlier, he's off in New Orleans in 187 00:14:22.879 --> 00:14:26.200 the area of the golf and it sounds more like China. What's going on 188 00:14:26.279 --> 00:14:30.360 down there than the United States? Pretty shocking, and I was wondering, 189 00:14:30.399 --> 00:14:33.639 maybe let's get this out of their way real quick on what you discovered down 190 00:14:33.679 --> 00:14:39.440 there. Hi, Yeah, thanks for having on your show. By the 191 00:14:39.440 --> 00:14:43.080 way, no, thank you for being on. I'm just a little bit 192 00:14:43.120 --> 00:14:46.639 in shock. You think that the media and the freedom of beach right here 193 00:14:46.639 --> 00:14:50.639 in America. But I'll tell you right now, I just came in from 194 00:14:50.840 --> 00:14:56.159 Grand Isle and it's high security everywhere, lots of workers running around with badges, 195 00:14:56.200 --> 00:15:03.559 security badges. We stopped at a corner market and just felt sort of 196 00:15:03.639 --> 00:15:07.679 under observation from the moment we got there. The friend I'm with was highly 197 00:15:07.720 --> 00:15:13.600 spooked. I got out and went into the corner store and just everyone's watching 198 00:15:13.639 --> 00:15:18.840 you and you turn to try to you know, acknowledge, you know, 199 00:15:18.960 --> 00:15:22.679 being there for them, and they just sort of turn away as soon as 200 00:15:22.720 --> 00:15:26.440 you turn your back, there watching you. And I talked to a fifteen 201 00:15:26.519 --> 00:15:31.159 year old boy whose father works and the clean up crew. He said that 202 00:15:31.480 --> 00:15:37.360 there's a complete media blackout there, preventing anyone from flying over the still zone 203 00:15:37.519 --> 00:15:41.159 at all. Wow, No boats, no fishermen allowed to go in there, 204 00:15:41.360 --> 00:15:46.039 and that what the media is getting is one tenth of reality. Oil 205 00:15:46.120 --> 00:15:50.480 still is way worse than what they want the public to know about. They're 206 00:15:50.559 --> 00:15:54.399 arresting people. I wouldn't believe this if it didn't if I didn't see this 207 00:15:54.480 --> 00:15:58.039 first hand and hear this first hand from the locals. Any locals to talk 208 00:15:58.080 --> 00:16:03.639 to the reporters or subject to arrest and they reports with cameras or subject to 209 00:16:03.720 --> 00:16:07.799 arrest, and they're just it's a complete media blackout. Someone in the chat 210 00:16:07.960 --> 00:16:14.360 just asked what country you're in, and that's right here in the United States. 211 00:16:14.919 --> 00:16:18.000 And it just was a real, real eerie feeling. The whole area 212 00:16:18.080 --> 00:16:22.639 was a very high security state of alarm. Wow, And what is the 213 00:16:22.759 --> 00:16:26.840 pretense they can use to arrest people you know the thing. It's like they're 214 00:16:26.919 --> 00:16:30.039 you know, even the people there were saying, you know, this is 215 00:16:30.080 --> 00:16:33.039 supposed to be America. Freedom of speech, the media is supposed to have 216 00:16:33.360 --> 00:16:37.159 access to these sort of things. So I don't know, I mean, 217 00:16:37.759 --> 00:16:41.080 it really felt like third world. It was really kind of kind of scary. 218 00:16:41.519 --> 00:16:47.840 Yeah, pretty incredible. I know in some cases perhaps they're able to 219 00:16:48.000 --> 00:16:52.440 use these the gig orders type of things. Is that maybe what they're using 220 00:16:52.440 --> 00:16:56.960 to arrest people. Well, I you know, I'm going to go and 221 00:16:56.000 --> 00:17:00.080 investigate it first thing tomorrow morning, Yeah, daylight, because it's just and 222 00:17:00.159 --> 00:17:06.880 you know, there was just it was a very very eerie, unsettling feeling 223 00:17:06.960 --> 00:17:10.240 being there and like you're just being watched. No one wanted to have any 224 00:17:10.240 --> 00:17:15.599 interaction with you. I even tried to say hello to a couple of people 225 00:17:15.599 --> 00:17:19.200 I felt were eyeballwing me for the from the the little store, and they 226 00:17:19.240 --> 00:17:22.039 would just look down at their shoes when I looked at him, when I 227 00:17:22.079 --> 00:17:26.799 tried to acknowledge the presence. And then I was being checked out of the 228 00:17:26.799 --> 00:17:30.720 cell clerk. I bought a Coca Cola and he opened up with me a 229 00:17:30.720 --> 00:17:33.359 little bit. We actually stepped outside him as the veranda of the store, 230 00:17:33.359 --> 00:17:37.319 and we talked a little bit, and he said that it's a complete media 231 00:17:37.359 --> 00:17:41.960 blackout. People are being arrested for even talking to the reporters. And just 232 00:17:41.000 --> 00:17:47.079 to clarify, you're down by the Golf Region investigating the VP spill down there. 233 00:17:47.400 --> 00:17:48.799 I spent a couple of days, a couple days in New Orleans. 234 00:17:48.960 --> 00:17:52.920 I did some man on street stuff, which I'll be posting on my Facebook 235 00:17:52.000 --> 00:17:59.079 site. I can link a YouTube video to your site. You'll hear the 236 00:17:59.200 --> 00:18:06.319 sentiments from the from the locals. They're very very upset, very very profoundly 237 00:18:06.400 --> 00:18:08.119 upset by what's going on. Okay, yeah, I'll do that. I'll 238 00:18:08.119 --> 00:18:14.079 link it to our Facebook. That's absolutely amazing that that could happen out here, 239 00:18:14.079 --> 00:18:18.799 and it's so frustrating this. You know, these companies don't feel any 240 00:18:18.880 --> 00:18:26.000 responsibility towards taking accountability. I don't understand how they can completely section off, 241 00:18:26.039 --> 00:18:29.000 cording off the whole area. I mean, Obama is just there on the 242 00:18:29.039 --> 00:18:33.519 Friday in grand Isle. You didn't get the feeling from that report at all. 243 00:18:33.680 --> 00:18:37.720 What's actually going on there? Right? They are They're not allowing the 244 00:18:37.799 --> 00:18:42.079 media anywhere. I mean, it's it's like it's a scary concept right here 245 00:18:42.079 --> 00:18:45.880 in the US or just and this this kid said to me basically, you 246 00:18:45.920 --> 00:18:48.000 know, his father is involved with the cleanup. He said, they don't 247 00:18:48.000 --> 00:18:51.640 want the media to know just how bad it really is. That if you 248 00:18:51.680 --> 00:18:53.519 could fly over the zone, you'd see just how much oil is there. 249 00:18:53.880 --> 00:19:00.119 Wow, And these massive plumes apparently they're using these I know, these what 250 00:19:00.160 --> 00:19:04.799 are they calling them, with those detergents. They're using this that want to 251 00:19:04.799 --> 00:19:10.839 make this persons and they're causing these these heavy oil plumes just below the surface 252 00:19:10.839 --> 00:19:15.079 and further down below the surface trying to I mean, my only guess that 253 00:19:15.160 --> 00:19:18.160 there is trying to hide this how bad it really is, how awful, 254 00:19:18.440 --> 00:19:22.480 that's so terrible, and uh, you know that's this kind of devetails bit 255 00:19:22.559 --> 00:19:26.480 into the UFO arena and along the lines of something you've mentioned before I've heard 256 00:19:26.519 --> 00:19:32.680 you say is that the president isn't as powerful as people think. Just like 257 00:19:32.880 --> 00:19:37.799 the president can get pushed out of the whole UFO arena. This could be 258 00:19:37.880 --> 00:19:41.599 a case. What we're seeing here sounds like kind of the president getting bullied, 259 00:19:41.759 --> 00:19:45.440 bullied around by these oil companies. There was no question and I'm want 260 00:19:45.480 --> 00:19:48.799 to consault with my friend who's with me. Now that the oil companies are 261 00:19:48.799 --> 00:19:52.960 controlling that whole region, they're calling the shots. That's that's this very distinct 262 00:19:52.960 --> 00:20:00.000 impression that we got, and they're just the only The similar feeling I had 263 00:20:00.440 --> 00:20:03.279 was in was in January two thousand and eight when I was investigating the UFO 264 00:20:03.400 --> 00:20:10.519 over Stevensville, Texas, where the you know, the clamp was going down 265 00:20:10.559 --> 00:20:15.000 on the whole, like threatening of witnesses and just the general harassment, right, 266 00:20:15.119 --> 00:20:19.240 whether it's this I don't know, very sinister body of governing bodies somewhere 267 00:20:19.839 --> 00:20:26.880 that that you know, just climping the whole thing down, right, which 268 00:20:26.920 --> 00:20:30.400 is unfortunate. And now let's if unless you had anything to add to or 269 00:20:30.519 --> 00:20:34.000 move on to the UFO subject. Absolutely, no, that's fine. I'll 270 00:20:34.000 --> 00:20:37.880 have a lot more to report by the end of day, at the end 271 00:20:37.880 --> 00:20:41.319 of tomorrow. Great. So we'll keep an eye on your Facebook and then 272 00:20:41.359 --> 00:20:44.519 we'll link to some of the stuff you have on your Facebook on our Facebook, 273 00:20:45.400 --> 00:20:51.480 and we'll Twitter and the whole social media thing will get rolling. But 274 00:20:51.599 --> 00:20:56.680 with UFOs, what inspired you to get so involved? What let your fire 275 00:20:56.799 --> 00:21:04.440 to create these documentaries? Well, I mean I have to say that if 276 00:21:04.440 --> 00:21:11.640 you can imagine, uh, speaking hypothetically, that if the UFO phenomena were 277 00:21:11.720 --> 00:21:15.160 real, it would be one of the greatest discoveries of our time. And 278 00:21:15.279 --> 00:21:22.480 I am three and a half four documentaries into it, and I'm absolutely convinced. 279 00:21:22.519 --> 00:21:26.960 It's a very difficult story to walk away from. I keep. After 280 00:21:26.359 --> 00:21:32.119 completing my first piece for Discovery Channel, I swore I'd never make another piece 281 00:21:32.160 --> 00:21:37.440 again. But then I got I got invited to Russia, Star City, 282 00:21:37.480 --> 00:21:41.559 Russia, and I met with active generals, and I met with Pavel Popovich, 283 00:21:41.559 --> 00:21:48.799 who just died I think last year, and those series of interviews, 284 00:21:48.880 --> 00:21:53.160 along with the merchan after Gordon Cooper led me to my second piece, which 285 00:21:53.200 --> 00:21:57.720 was Out of the Blue, and uh, I swore that I never created 286 00:21:57.759 --> 00:22:06.240 another documentary VIEWFO after that was done in two thousand and three. But I 287 00:22:07.400 --> 00:22:11.079 but thank goodness you did continue. Now you essentially were the person and I 288 00:22:11.079 --> 00:22:17.000 didn't notice till recently. Who broke the fIF Simonton story, right, Yeah, 289 00:22:17.079 --> 00:22:21.079 I did, yeh, And you weren't expecting that. Now. Unfortunately, 290 00:22:21.079 --> 00:22:22.319 we don't have time to get into that right now. We've got to 291 00:22:22.359 --> 00:22:26.119 take a break. But when we get back from the break, we'll take 292 00:22:26.200 --> 00:22:30.680 about Five Simington and your documentaries, and I know you have a lot of 293 00:22:30.720 --> 00:22:37.160 other really cool stories to share that we'll be talking about. But stay tuned 294 00:22:37.559 --> 00:22:41.279 and we will be back in a second. You're listening to Open Minds Radio 295 00:22:42.079 --> 00:23:12.079 with your host Alejandro Rojas. This is Open Minds Radio here again your host 296 00:23:12.480 --> 00:23:19.759 UFO paranormal researcher and journalist Alejandro Rojas. All right, welcome back. You're 297 00:23:19.799 --> 00:23:22.759 listening to Open Minds Radio. And before we went to the break, I 298 00:23:22.799 --> 00:23:29.240 had mentioned how James Box, our guest UFO documentary producer, had broke the 299 00:23:29.319 --> 00:23:33.799 story of five Simington. And what I mean by that is Five Simington was 300 00:23:33.799 --> 00:23:38.119 the governor during the famous Phoenix Lights incident, and you were surprised by what 301 00:23:38.279 --> 00:23:42.240 he had to say when you went and interviewed him on the subject. Well, 302 00:23:42.279 --> 00:23:45.920 you know, it's funny because I decided in two thousand and three is 303 00:23:45.960 --> 00:23:48.880 when Out of the Blue was released. At that point, the film had 304 00:23:48.880 --> 00:23:55.640 just documented what the governor had done. He staged that sort of silly press 305 00:23:55.680 --> 00:23:57.799 conference where he had one of his aides dressed up in an alien suit. 306 00:23:57.920 --> 00:24:02.400 Mid out of the whole thing. So it was always kind of really frustrated 307 00:24:02.440 --> 00:24:03.599 me as to why he did that, and I knew there was something more 308 00:24:03.640 --> 00:24:07.920 going on behind the scenes. But I in two thousand and six made a 309 00:24:07.960 --> 00:24:12.319 list of I wanted to revisit Out of the Blue. I was exhausted prior 310 00:24:12.359 --> 00:24:17.160 to that, but I wanted to revisit Out of the Blue and just kind 311 00:24:17.200 --> 00:24:21.440 of revamp the film a little bit, fill in some of the interviews that 312 00:24:21.480 --> 00:24:23.119 I was unable to get at the time. I had a little bit more 313 00:24:23.160 --> 00:24:26.240 access because of the success I had No. Three when we sold the Sci 314 00:24:26.240 --> 00:24:30.880 Fi Channel, a number of other places Europe and whatnot. But in any 315 00:24:30.920 --> 00:24:37.000 case, I made a list of ten interviews and the ninth one was Governor 316 00:24:37.000 --> 00:24:40.720 Simonson. Number ten was President Bill Clinton. But I was able to get 317 00:24:40.759 --> 00:24:45.039 to everybody but Bill Clinton. And I remember when in two thousand and six, 318 00:24:45.119 --> 00:24:48.880 when I was granted the interview with Governor five Simonson, I quickly went 319 00:24:48.920 --> 00:24:52.599 to my co producers and I said, hey, guys, you know you're 320 00:24:52.599 --> 00:24:55.920 not gonna believe this, but Governor Simonson actually agreed to meet with us. 321 00:24:56.480 --> 00:24:57.640 And my co producer said, well, what's he going to say? And 322 00:24:57.680 --> 00:25:00.880 I said, who cares, Let's go so we packed up our camera gear 323 00:25:00.920 --> 00:25:03.480 and we rushed down to Santa Barbara. Because he was between Santa Barbara and 324 00:25:03.559 --> 00:25:10.559 Phoenix Son from San Francisco, and all the way down, I decided that 325 00:25:10.680 --> 00:25:14.880 who better to ask him a question than one of his former constituents and witness 326 00:25:14.920 --> 00:25:18.240 to the event, Stacey Rhades. So I called Stacy on the side of 327 00:25:18.279 --> 00:25:21.119 the road with my cell phone. I had a pocket tape recorder and I 328 00:25:21.200 --> 00:25:22.720 recorded a statement from her. I told her, Hey, you're not gonna 329 00:25:22.720 --> 00:25:26.400 believe what I'm going to meet with, you know, former Governor Fife Simonton. 330 00:25:26.640 --> 00:25:30.440 Would you like to say something to him? She said, yeah, 331 00:25:30.440 --> 00:25:33.799 you're damn right I would, And so I pressed record on my little pocket 332 00:25:33.799 --> 00:25:37.160 tape recorder and recorded a statement from her. Then, about five minutes into 333 00:25:37.200 --> 00:25:41.319 the interview with Governor five simonton, camera's rolling, I said, oh, 334 00:25:41.359 --> 00:25:42.720 Governor, I have a little something I want to share with you, And 335 00:25:42.759 --> 00:25:47.759 I pulled out my pocket tape quarter press play and there's you know, former 336 00:25:47.759 --> 00:25:52.720 constituent and witness of the event, Stacy Rhodes just lays into him right there 337 00:25:52.759 --> 00:25:59.680 on camera, and he he just copped to it right there on the spot 338 00:26:00.200 --> 00:26:07.480 that not only had he tried to determine the origin of this massive object that 339 00:26:07.559 --> 00:26:11.839 flew over the state of Arizona, but that he too had seen it, 340 00:26:11.200 --> 00:26:15.839 and as a captain in the Air Force, a pilot and governor at the 341 00:26:15.839 --> 00:26:18.759 time, was unable to He just felt it was not of this earth. 342 00:26:19.160 --> 00:26:22.559 Yeah, which is incredible. Bought the bomb on us. I knew it 343 00:26:22.559 --> 00:26:23.319 was going to be a big story, but I didn't realize it was going 344 00:26:23.359 --> 00:26:26.559 to be as big as it was. Yeah, And it blew up. 345 00:26:26.599 --> 00:26:30.519 And I think the video that lots of the news stations were showing was your 346 00:26:30.640 --> 00:26:34.920 video. Apparently, well, we we went. I mean we went on 347 00:26:36.279 --> 00:26:42.559 gosh, just about every talk show, I mean Larry King and Today's Show, 348 00:26:42.680 --> 00:26:51.200 and Nightline and Dateline and Anderson Cooper. I mean, my god, 349 00:26:51.640 --> 00:26:53.720 did a lot of shows. It was a pretty big story, right, 350 00:26:53.799 --> 00:26:57.839 and it led to the birth of I Know what I saw, Ah. 351 00:26:57.880 --> 00:27:03.400 And it was great that he was willing to back up his statements to you 352 00:27:03.440 --> 00:27:07.200 and continue talking about it, at least for a period of time. He 353 00:27:07.240 --> 00:27:11.720 even went to several other venues to talk about it. He moderated the National 354 00:27:11.759 --> 00:27:17.599 Press Club event we did November of two thousand and seven, and that is 355 00:27:17.640 --> 00:27:21.559 pretty much the basis of the film. I know what I saw revolves around 356 00:27:21.599 --> 00:27:27.960 that event. We flew in witnesses from seven countries, high ranking government military 357 00:27:29.240 --> 00:27:33.720 officials from seven countries, and documented the whole event over a three day period, 358 00:27:33.920 --> 00:27:37.759 and then Washington, DC included the National Press Club, and then the 359 00:27:37.480 --> 00:27:41.480 film I know what I saw revolves around that event, but it goes back 360 00:27:41.519 --> 00:27:45.279 in time as well, like you know, the event Water's Case, Arizona 361 00:27:45.400 --> 00:27:49.640 Cave. And then we flew to France after that, and we expanded on 362 00:27:49.680 --> 00:27:55.240 the Commanda Report, which was also featured in the earlier version of Out of 363 00:27:55.240 --> 00:28:00.039 the Blue. And I remember finishing a rough cut which I thought i'd integrated 364 00:28:00.119 --> 00:28:03.000 into Out of the Blue is going to be re released as you know, 365 00:28:03.160 --> 00:28:07.400 quasi new film, but some of the same old material, like I said, 366 00:28:07.440 --> 00:28:11.359 sort of revamped, and I was all excited I got the thing done. 367 00:28:11.359 --> 00:28:15.359 I was I had to buy out my previous producers because they were at 368 00:28:15.359 --> 00:28:18.400 the end of the rope and finances were stained, and I mean, it 369 00:28:18.480 --> 00:28:22.680 was just a whole ordeal. And this agent in Hollywood said, you know, 370 00:28:22.720 --> 00:28:26.920 it was amazing what was all happening, and reviewed the film and she 371 00:28:26.920 --> 00:28:29.079 said, oh, this is great. This is a really good film. 372 00:28:29.160 --> 00:28:30.519 And I was at the end of my rope at this point. But I 373 00:28:30.640 --> 00:28:33.680 tell you, if you spent another year, a year and a half gaining 374 00:28:33.680 --> 00:28:37.200 some additional you know, witnesses and more camera footage, I think you could 375 00:28:37.240 --> 00:28:45.119 have a really good film. Yeah, I'm done. I'm done. But 376 00:28:45.240 --> 00:28:48.079 we went. We went another year and a half, two years actually, 377 00:28:48.119 --> 00:28:49.920 and that was the birth of I know what I saw. Yeah. Well, 378 00:28:49.960 --> 00:28:56.359 and you've got some absolutely incredible interviews some of those foreign people, including 379 00:28:56.799 --> 00:29:03.000 a general right from the from Belgium. Yeah, yeah, de Brauer, 380 00:29:03.200 --> 00:29:07.960 Yeah, I've met. He's a really interesting guy, talking about the case 381 00:29:08.000 --> 00:29:11.000 that they took very serious, of the triangles that they were seeing over there 382 00:29:11.319 --> 00:29:15.400 over Belgium. We talked about the attempt to intercept the UFO, talked a 383 00:29:15.400 --> 00:29:18.400 little bit about the video cams taken and I think it was the F sixteen, 384 00:29:21.680 --> 00:29:25.559 and you know, basically the inquiries. This is really funny actually, 385 00:29:25.559 --> 00:29:27.119 and I mentioned this a number of times, is that you know, the 386 00:29:27.240 --> 00:29:33.200 US government or the Air Forces, they no longer conduct any interest or investigations 387 00:29:33.279 --> 00:29:37.200 into the UFOs. Since the termination of the Blue Book in nineteen sixty nine, 388 00:29:37.240 --> 00:29:42.759 and yet every single major UFO siding around the world, including Tehran Iran 389 00:29:42.839 --> 00:29:48.720 in nineteen seventy six, had a representative of the US government there investigating the 390 00:29:48.759 --> 00:29:53.319 cases. Foyer released documents to back this up and statements from General saying that 391 00:29:53.359 --> 00:29:59.799 there were US representatives in making inquiries into these So those fully an investigative arm 392 00:29:59.839 --> 00:30:06.440 of US government somewhere. They're just completely secretive. Yeh what And getting onto 393 00:30:06.440 --> 00:30:10.279 some of the other incredible interviews you got, you were actually able to interview 394 00:30:10.359 --> 00:30:14.200 Jerald Ford. Yeah, it was really funny. You know. I spent 395 00:30:15.119 --> 00:30:19.319 probably like a better part of a year and a half back and forth with 396 00:30:19.359 --> 00:30:26.359 his secretary, Penny Circle, and it seemed possible that he would agree to 397 00:30:26.359 --> 00:30:29.880 an interview, but it took forever to kind of pin down. I never 398 00:30:29.880 --> 00:30:33.279 got a definitive answer. One day, my phone rings in the early afternoon, 399 00:30:33.400 --> 00:30:36.480 picked up and Penny Circles he says, the President is ready to speak 400 00:30:36.519 --> 00:30:41.000 with you. I'm not ready. Can you give me a couple of minutes 401 00:30:41.000 --> 00:30:44.200 to get some recording devices to other I know this was out of the blue, 402 00:30:44.559 --> 00:30:48.039 yeah, and so I scrambled quickly. I had about two minutes to 403 00:30:48.079 --> 00:30:51.359 get ready and I got a recording device and I had a very brief phone 404 00:30:51.400 --> 00:30:55.759 interview with with President jeral Ford. That much have been great. I mean, 405 00:30:55.799 --> 00:30:57.200 it was amazing. It was amazing. What was funny is that he's 406 00:30:57.240 --> 00:31:00.000 like, well, look then I'm gonna I'm gonna like you. I'm gonna 407 00:31:00.319 --> 00:31:07.920 I'm gonna basically verify that he pushed for congressional hearings in sixty six sixty eight 408 00:31:07.880 --> 00:31:14.160 because of that massive siding that was over Michigan in nineteen sixty six, and 409 00:31:14.200 --> 00:31:18.680 he was then congressman, and so I guess his constituents were up in arms 410 00:31:18.680 --> 00:31:21.519 when the Air Force came out and said, I was just a bunch of 411 00:31:21.519 --> 00:31:25.319 swamp gasts, and so they put pressure on him and he pushed for congressional 412 00:31:25.319 --> 00:31:27.920 hearings, and he backed that story up with me. But then when I 413 00:31:27.960 --> 00:31:32.799 tried to take it a step further and asked when during his presidency whether or 414 00:31:32.839 --> 00:31:34.519 not he you know, looked into the matter, he just shut me down. 415 00:31:36.599 --> 00:31:38.680 He wouldn't answer. He said, yeah, I'm not gonna, I'm 416 00:31:38.680 --> 00:31:45.680 not going any further with this m which is at least he gave you something. 417 00:31:45.279 --> 00:31:49.079 I was thrilled that he gave me something. And we also were the 418 00:31:49.079 --> 00:31:53.279 first people that I know of to get Jimmy Carter to admit on camera having 419 00:31:53.319 --> 00:31:59.640 seen a UFO and made inquiries during his presidency right, which was quite a 420 00:31:59.640 --> 00:32:05.000 cupe. Yeah, itself, I think you've been pretty successful, and I 421 00:32:05.000 --> 00:32:10.079 would probably attribute that to and maintains stance if you agree kind of the angle 422 00:32:10.160 --> 00:32:15.119 you take, the way you approach this subject. Could you kind of explain 423 00:32:15.440 --> 00:32:21.640 your approach? Well, I get a lot of flak from the UFO community, 424 00:32:21.839 --> 00:32:23.680 and it's not that I don't want to take it to another level. 425 00:32:23.720 --> 00:32:29.480 I just feel that it's very very important too in order to get the people 426 00:32:29.519 --> 00:32:35.960 of credentials or credible witnesses to come forward, to give them a platform that's 427 00:32:37.279 --> 00:32:44.359 free of any kind of let's say, accusations, but claims that cannot be 428 00:32:44.440 --> 00:32:49.559 backed up. In other words, I can't prove that ets are visiting the 429 00:32:49.599 --> 00:32:54.319 planet. However, there's a plunderance of evidence suggest there are structured crafts of 430 00:32:54.480 --> 00:33:00.720 unknown origin whizzing around with impunity in our airspace, with technology so far beyond 431 00:33:00.799 --> 00:33:06.079 anything we have or had fifty years ago. That makes a very strong argument 432 00:33:06.119 --> 00:33:07.799 that we are being that it's not if it's not us, in other words, 433 00:33:07.880 --> 00:33:12.000 and it's not the Russians, and it's not anybody else, then you 434 00:33:12.039 --> 00:33:17.039 know, natural conclusion would be we're being visited. But I don't actually say 435 00:33:17.079 --> 00:33:22.160 that, right see, and I agree with that perspective. It's kind of 436 00:33:22.240 --> 00:33:24.640 like it reminds me of like that the Jaws of life. How you just 437 00:33:24.680 --> 00:33:30.440 got to get in there with this powerful information to really open up the public, 438 00:33:30.480 --> 00:33:35.799 which is obviously a very difficult task, but to get more and more 439 00:33:35.799 --> 00:33:38.240 people interested because of course, you know, one thing I always realize is 440 00:33:38.279 --> 00:33:44.559 how little the resources are in the UFO research field. So we need to 441 00:33:44.599 --> 00:33:49.880 get some of these conventional organizations involved to help us out here. Well, 442 00:33:49.920 --> 00:33:52.640 you know, we've something i'd like to capitalize on. As we've got the 443 00:33:52.680 --> 00:33:57.839 thirty year anniversary of the Bentwaters incident happened this year. I think it'd be 444 00:33:57.839 --> 00:34:04.759 a terrible shame not to to host an event with a lot of the new 445 00:34:04.759 --> 00:34:07.440 witnesses that are coming forward, as well as some of the older witnesses that 446 00:34:07.519 --> 00:34:09.960 have come forward, right and really, because you know, we've got all 447 00:34:10.000 --> 00:34:15.840 the ingredients of a very very solid case. And I've just talked to Jim 448 00:34:15.880 --> 00:34:19.840 Penniston about this. Jim Penison was the sergeants that sat with the craft on 449 00:34:19.880 --> 00:34:24.800 the ground with John Burrows and Kambansag and he said that every thirty years these 450 00:34:24.840 --> 00:34:31.079 cases come under review for a release of their classification, in other words, 451 00:34:31.119 --> 00:34:35.000 for the stuff to be released either. So if we could put pressure on 452 00:34:35.000 --> 00:34:39.000 the representatives, particularly their representatives, there's a chance that we could get the 453 00:34:39.159 --> 00:34:45.679 US government to release their documents on the case. Right, Well, we'll 454 00:34:45.679 --> 00:34:49.480 talk more about that. We'll talk more about bent Waters. There's a requestion 455 00:34:49.599 --> 00:34:53.480 that chat to talk about Condon and we'll also talk about buzz Aldrin. I 456 00:34:53.480 --> 00:35:00.760 want to ask you about that when we get back from our break and just 457 00:35:00.840 --> 00:35:06.119 the Humanutier. 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The largest UFO conference in the country, 465 00:35:47.559 --> 00:35:52.159 twentieth Anniversary of the International UFO Congress, takes place February twenty third to February 466 00:35:52.159 --> 00:35:54.440 twenty seventh. To the UFO Congress dot com for more information, including sponsorship 467 00:35:54.480 --> 00:36:00.840 and vendor opportunities. Welcome back to Open Minds Radio. Here now former officials, 468 00:36:00.880 --> 00:36:06.079 folkesperson for the Mutual UFI Network, your host of Open Minds Radio, 469 00:36:06.440 --> 00:36:12.960 Alejandro Rojas, Welcome back. We are talking to James Box, UFO documentary 470 00:36:12.960 --> 00:36:15.840 maker and one of the people in our chat rooms. Wanting to ask you 471 00:36:15.880 --> 00:36:21.159 about the Condon Report and your thoughts regarding the Condon Report. Maybe you can 472 00:36:21.239 --> 00:36:23.559 kind of explain as quick as possible what it was for those of us who 473 00:36:23.559 --> 00:36:29.400 don't know. Well, it's funny actually, because we we went back and 474 00:36:29.440 --> 00:36:35.159 forth on covering the Condon Report in Out of the Blue, and my partners 475 00:36:35.960 --> 00:36:37.199 didn't really want to have anything to do with it because they kept saying, 476 00:36:37.199 --> 00:36:43.079 look, you know, we're making key elements of this story then I got 477 00:36:43.119 --> 00:36:47.400 an interview with doctor Peter Sturk, Stanford physicist, and you know he lived 478 00:36:47.400 --> 00:36:52.800 through that hole, right. And you know that, in my opinion, 479 00:36:52.920 --> 00:36:58.599 is an extremely significant case, our story, because it's probably the closest we 480 00:36:58.639 --> 00:37:00.960 ever came to disclosure on the subject. I mean fact that we had congressional 481 00:37:01.000 --> 00:37:07.400 hearings, and you know, Congress decided that the Air Force was excuse my 482 00:37:07.719 --> 00:37:12.960 terminology but for no better term but expression should I say, for what dogg 483 00:37:12.960 --> 00:37:20.559 you do do? So they convened a group of scientists and made the Air 484 00:37:20.559 --> 00:37:22.719 Force pay for it. I think it was a half was five hundred thousand 485 00:37:22.760 --> 00:37:31.119 dollars for the investigation involved scientists at the Colorado University, and you know, 486 00:37:31.159 --> 00:37:35.199 all sorts of I guess that the memos leaked up, But the nutshell, 487 00:37:35.239 --> 00:37:37.440 basically what happened was is at the end of the day, at the end 488 00:37:37.480 --> 00:37:43.039 of the study, the as one would expect, the scientists concluded, it's 489 00:37:43.039 --> 00:37:47.159 a very thick report kind of report that you know, there are some of 490 00:37:47.199 --> 00:37:52.119 them. There's not enough data for UFOs to some of the cases to explain 491 00:37:52.440 --> 00:37:54.400 some of them. Wasn't enough data, so someone ambiguous and some of the 492 00:37:54.760 --> 00:38:00.079 few cases were bonafide UFOs where everything checked out, photographs, eyewitness testimony. 493 00:38:00.400 --> 00:38:06.039 But doctor Connan, Edward Connon was very clear from the beginning of the investigation 494 00:38:06.159 --> 00:38:08.360 that you know, don't bother me with the evidence. I have to quote 495 00:38:08.360 --> 00:38:14.079 San Freeman on this. My mind's already made up. And so as doctor 496 00:38:14.119 --> 00:38:17.119 Peter Sturk had pointed out to me, you know, the media didn't bother 497 00:38:17.239 --> 00:38:22.440 to sit through the body of the data, but instead just the summary written 498 00:38:22.440 --> 00:38:28.840 by doctor Edward Condon, which basically said it there's nothing to it and pretty 499 00:38:28.880 --> 00:38:32.360 much you know, that conclusion was drawn. H and they you know, 500 00:38:32.400 --> 00:38:36.840 they closed, they terminate right around that same time they terminated a Project Bluebook 501 00:38:36.880 --> 00:38:39.079 and you know, washed their hands clean and walked away. But if you 502 00:38:39.159 --> 00:38:43.000 go back to the Connor important actually look at some of the case studies, 503 00:38:43.000 --> 00:38:46.079 you'll see that there were some conclusions where they agreed that it was the bona 504 00:38:46.079 --> 00:38:50.880 fide UFO, right, And these are for the most part, even to 505 00:38:50.880 --> 00:38:55.280 this day, some of the only scientific conclusions in this report where they thoroughly 506 00:38:55.360 --> 00:39:01.559 investigated that these and determined that these were us. These were these large craft 507 00:39:01.639 --> 00:39:06.239 structured craft in the sky. Yeah, one of the cases. That was 508 00:39:06.320 --> 00:39:10.320 mcvindel organ taken on the trench. Those photographs actually, you know, I 509 00:39:10.400 --> 00:39:15.000 really wanted to read. I really liked to at some point revisit the Condon 510 00:39:15.039 --> 00:39:16.920 Report. I think a whole documentary could be made on that right alone. 511 00:39:17.360 --> 00:39:22.719 There was all kinds of alarms or to tell signs that the fix was in 512 00:39:22.719 --> 00:39:28.960 from the beginning. I think Congressman Rouche had pushed for more transparency. But 513 00:39:29.280 --> 00:39:30.440 you know, and like I said, I think it was the closest we 514 00:39:30.559 --> 00:39:34.599 game to disclosure. Ben. That was what in the sixties, right. 515 00:39:34.760 --> 00:39:37.440 Donald Kehoe wrote a book UFOs Are Real. He wrote several books. He 516 00:39:37.519 --> 00:39:43.079 was in charge of Nightcap, as you know, a major in the Marines. 517 00:39:43.960 --> 00:39:47.480 His books are very revealing too about that report, because they tried to 518 00:39:47.559 --> 00:39:53.719 use some of the Nightcap cases, but just about how they really didn't investigate 519 00:39:53.719 --> 00:39:58.920 at times astorially as they should have, or how they predetermined their decisions. 520 00:39:58.920 --> 00:40:02.000 Like you had said, I interviewed Richard Hall right before he died. He's 521 00:40:02.440 --> 00:40:07.320 featured in I Know What I Saw. He had talked about his relationship with 522 00:40:07.320 --> 00:40:13.639 with Donald Kiho and yeah, and he lived through that whole period. Richard 523 00:40:13.639 --> 00:40:16.440 Hall was very, very helpful actually with the historical perspective. I did a 524 00:40:16.480 --> 00:40:22.320 snapshot history, and I know what I saw, just because I thought I 525 00:40:22.400 --> 00:40:25.599 wanted to create a body of evidence that could be presented to you know, 526 00:40:25.679 --> 00:40:30.840 mainstream going on the assumption that they didn't know anything about the history. And 527 00:40:30.880 --> 00:40:34.679 so I did a snapshot history of all of that, and Richard Hall was 528 00:40:34.800 --> 00:40:42.559 very instrumental in putting that together. I want to about bas Aldrin, and 529 00:40:43.480 --> 00:40:46.920 you came close to being able to interview him, yes, And he seems 530 00:40:46.920 --> 00:40:51.559 to flip flop on this the ideas of whether he saw a UF or not. 531 00:40:52.000 --> 00:40:53.960 Sometimes he says he does and that makes big news and then he recants 532 00:40:53.960 --> 00:41:00.800 it. Well, that's somewhat consistent with my experience with him, because I'm 533 00:41:00.840 --> 00:41:06.400 friends with his sister Fay and Potter, and also worked on a movie set, 534 00:41:06.480 --> 00:41:10.159 the Legend of Over Taggart back in the nineties with Mickey Rooney and his 535 00:41:10.199 --> 00:41:15.239 wife Jan Rooney, and they had both you know, we were started talking 536 00:41:15.239 --> 00:41:17.039 on the movie said oh what are you and you know, what are you 537 00:41:17.079 --> 00:41:20.239 doing? You know, James, I was an Exeterra on the movie set. 538 00:41:20.280 --> 00:41:22.599 It was in New Mexico, and I told him, Ah, I 539 00:41:22.320 --> 00:41:25.039 thought I was trying to get a bunch of laughter. I told him UFOs 540 00:41:25.400 --> 00:41:29.119 and Mickey Rooney and Jan Runey said, oh, you know, we're good 541 00:41:29.119 --> 00:41:31.079 friends with buzz Aldron, and they they say, he's got something to share, 542 00:41:31.519 --> 00:41:36.199 you know, about his fighting. He had Wow. And I spent, 543 00:41:36.480 --> 00:41:38.639 well, I guess close the better part of ten years trying to get 544 00:41:38.639 --> 00:41:43.079 an interview with him, and between Mickey Rooney, they wrote a letter to 545 00:41:43.280 --> 00:41:47.840 buzz Aldron as well as his sister, Say and Potter and we he granted 546 00:41:47.840 --> 00:41:52.199 me an interview, and I think it was in like ninety nine, correct 547 00:41:52.199 --> 00:41:53.760 me if I'm wrong. Ninety nine, Yeah, right around nineteen ninety nine, 548 00:41:54.360 --> 00:41:59.360 and he said, meet me in I was in Chenge, just for 549 00:41:59.519 --> 00:42:02.639 the time, meet me in Monte Carlo, montic Carlo. Well, I 550 00:42:02.639 --> 00:42:07.079 mean just the fact that I had an interview with buzz Older and I leaped 551 00:42:07.079 --> 00:42:09.880 to the occasion and followed ten thousand bucks, got a camera crew together and 552 00:42:09.880 --> 00:42:15.199 flew to the south of France, and every day he kept putting me off. 553 00:42:15.079 --> 00:42:17.519 And I remember short of day four, I got him on the front 554 00:42:17.519 --> 00:42:21.880 of my hotel room. It's a very expensive place to be, yeah, 555 00:42:21.920 --> 00:42:22.920 you know, and I had all these people with me. I was a 556 00:42:22.960 --> 00:42:25.320 couple of people with me, and I said, you know, I, 557 00:42:27.159 --> 00:42:30.119 with all due respect, I can't. I can't stay here forever. You 558 00:42:30.199 --> 00:42:34.400 granted me an interview. Let's let's you know, let's can we do it? 559 00:42:35.440 --> 00:42:37.320 He said, Okay, tomorrow morning, meet me in my hotel lobby. 560 00:42:37.400 --> 00:42:39.760 Don't have any cameras rolling, but I'll me too, you know, 561 00:42:39.760 --> 00:42:45.519 in the hotel lobby. So the next morning I showed up ten minutes earlier, 562 00:42:45.519 --> 00:42:47.400 and I went to the little cafe and the hotel lobby and I was 563 00:42:47.400 --> 00:42:51.880 having a coffee and the contierge came, I'm mister Bucks. Instead of one 564 00:42:51.920 --> 00:42:54.960 call, I picked it up and it was buzz welbyn. He said, 565 00:42:54.960 --> 00:42:58.639 I can't do it. I said, well, what do you mean. 566 00:42:59.199 --> 00:43:00.199 I flew all the way down here, I got a crew. You agreed 567 00:43:00.239 --> 00:43:06.519 to do this interview. He said. Paul Allen has just invested in SETI, 568 00:43:06.920 --> 00:43:10.000 which is NASA's program for you know, the search for US custural life 569 00:43:10.000 --> 00:43:15.119 in the universe, and he was labeled a UFO not and I can't jeopardize 570 00:43:15.119 --> 00:43:20.079 my initiative of getting funding to develop a rocket that will label citizens to go 571 00:43:20.119 --> 00:43:23.039 into oter space and so. And then he said, and what difference is 572 00:43:23.079 --> 00:43:27.239 my story going to make anyway? And I said, well, with all 573 00:43:27.280 --> 00:43:30.199 due respect, it takes people of your caliber to come forward to really elevate 574 00:43:30.800 --> 00:43:35.480 the phenomenon out of the rut that it's in. And it's it's it's a 575 00:43:35.559 --> 00:43:38.599 tremendous significance for someone of your of your stature to come forward. It said, 576 00:43:38.599 --> 00:43:42.480 well, I can't do it, so, as you know, you 577 00:43:42.519 --> 00:43:45.159 can imagine how I felt. I have a friendly graph of me. I 578 00:43:45.199 --> 00:43:47.199 have a photograph of me in a cafe at that very cafe, right moments 579 00:43:47.239 --> 00:43:51.199 after I got the news, and I just looked gutted. You know, 580 00:43:51.280 --> 00:43:53.800 you don't look very happy, and it would it's too bad. He couldn't 581 00:43:53.800 --> 00:43:57.880 have told you this five days earlier. Yeah, I know, I could. 582 00:43:57.920 --> 00:44:00.079 I know. I ended up. I ended up jumping on a plane. 583 00:44:00.159 --> 00:44:06.440 I went to Greece to more and in Greece, well, I'm sorry 584 00:44:06.519 --> 00:44:10.679 that we're out of time because I had some more questions and some people in 585 00:44:10.719 --> 00:44:14.039 the chat had some more questions. So we'll just have to have you on 586 00:44:14.159 --> 00:44:16.519 again my Facebook. I got a Facebook fan page, but I know what 587 00:44:16.559 --> 00:44:20.119 I saw. Please join, people can ask me questions. I interact with 588 00:44:20.159 --> 00:44:22.960 there at least a couple times a week. It's I know what I saw 589 00:44:22.079 --> 00:44:24.760 on Facebook. I know what I saw on Facebook, and you can go 590 00:44:24.800 --> 00:44:28.800 to our Facebook. We'll put some stuff out there, So thank you so 591 00:44:28.880 --> 00:44:32.119 much for joining us, James. Next week we're going to have David Watts 592 00:44:32.159 --> 00:44:37.960 as bear. He is a inter trible elder and an author, a syndicated 593 00:44:38.000 --> 00:44:43.199 columnist. He's been researching UFOs and he's also going to talk to us about 594 00:44:43.239 --> 00:44:49.360 some of the Native American legends regarding UFOs, one of my favorite subjects. 595 00:44:49.400 --> 00:44:52.960 So join us next week. Thank you for listening to Open Minds Radio, 596 00:44:53.519 --> 00:44:59.960 your UFO news authority. Don't forget to visit Openminds dot tv for more on 597 00:45:00.039 --> 00:45:07.239 and what we're up to talk to you next week. Smell Walls summer at 598 00:45:07.480 --> 00:45:15.360 the time were cancer thing. Do you watch your feet the cracks and crack 599 00:45:27.400 --> 00:45:35.400 up Alien Suber like a whole movie for folks back home