Dave, how's everything going. Oh it's good, it could be, I
guess that of me just asking you questions. And I hate to just kind
of put you on the spot, Dave, but just whatever pops in your
mind. I know you've had some bigfoot encounters. Do you want to start
with that. I was about twelve years old when this happened, and I
got to put up close and personal with that one that was I was within
touching distance a bit. We'll tell us the story. I want to hear
you. Well, basically, Dad Pop he was I was born and raised
in Nan and he always wanted to get back to the country. I say,
he was raised by his uncle out there on the farm during the depression,
and he kind of wanted to get away from the hustle and bustle in
Miami and find a piece of ground and do a little farm again, stuff
like that. So the seventies he bought this little piece of brownd out here.
You know, we're all going to move to the country. Of course,
he was still working going back and forth, so he had us out
here. We were in a little single wide trailer that he put on the
property, and we did have you know, a whole lot of power and
stuff. Here was kind of like camping out in this trailer. He got
some some calves, we built the hay barn and stuff out there. And
one night the gals are all moving and carrying, carrying on. Of course,
I ain't got a flash light or nothing, but I go out there.
I think I'm in short pants and t shirt. I'm glad to see
what's going on with his calves. Well, the way the barn was made,
it was facing away from the moonlight, so I couldn't see himTo the
barn, but I could tell there was a calf inside the barn and something
laying next to it, and I thought that there was a dog or something
on the calf. So here I am trying to get my eyes just to
the light to sit bout that time whatever it was stood up, and of
course it's sell inside the barn, and I'm thinking it's a man. So
I'm home for my brother to bring a light and a gun and so forth.
Well it steps out from underneath the eve of the hay barn, and
that's that's seven foot Is that even that barn? I know this because as
a kid, part of the game was to jump up trying to touch the
eve. It was about seven talk. He had to bend over to step
out of it. He was standing there. By then I could seem fairly
well in the moonlight. The first thing came out of my mouth was okay,
I'm armed, you know, and it said it either said this or
mine spoken or whatever. But here I am. Look at this thing.
It's over seven feet tall, it's all of four or five feet wide.
And his voice does not fit his body. It's like, well, i'll
come. I own the end in a you know, a high pitched nasally
voice that would fit, you know, right into the local accent here.
So by now I'm backing up, and it decide it's gonna it's gonna run
past me. And as it runs, it runs down this ditch line and
you know, jumps over to four foot fence like you know, like like
a hurdler hops over hurdle and it's gone. Well, I go into the
barn and there's a calf and it's tied by the neck that it took the
hay strings and it seem like tying knots had had it like twisted and braided
up. I got the calf loosed and then of course Pop was away at
that time. He came on the next day. Bob goes out there and
looks and so forth. I'm showing him the footprints this thing left, and
you know, it's like the size twenty two footprint. You're great, big
footprint. He calls the law out there. Law comes out. First thing,
first thing your deputy does is he tries to convince Bob, yeah,
there's one of them crazy guys out of the mental hospital at his gate.
And you know they're mostly harmless, don't pay no attention. But I noticed
everywhere he seemed to put print, he tookie shoe and wiped it out,
wiped over new footprints that you couldn't see him anymore. I'm pretty much convinced
that whatever this thing was, this big foot or whatever it was having some
kind of sexual relations with this calf when you take a look at it,
because I've seen other ones they don't look like this this one here. I
don't know if he was fostering, or if he was deformed, if there
was something wrong with him, but his head seemed to becoming out of the
center of his chest. I mean, I don't know if that's how big
his upper body muscles were what But if you were to look at it,
like if you to see his shadow cast on the ground, you wouldn't see
a shadow of his head. You see his shoulders up a brother, and
it was just it just now I've seen I've seen ones after that. You
can clearly you know, he don't see much of a neck on them,
but you see their head above their shoulders. But not for this one.
But I thought, well maybe it was deformed. And the other ones,
you know, he couldn't find the mate, so it decided to have its
way with his camp. I don't know that that was that that that was
the first one. That's when uh pop bought me a shotgun. She showed
me how to shoot. He you know, in his mind it was a
crazy mental patient. But I know, I know for a fact that would
that was anything. I've never heard anybody talk about one that's head. I
can see what you're talking about, almost like an igor post. Exactly,
okay, exactly it was as I said. I don't know if it was
trying to bulk up to make it look itself much larger than it was by
flexing its muzzles or what. But you know, it's like if if you
were looking on it straight on its shin would be like even to where it's
nipples, and add all that muscular over top of it. So I've seen
I've seen one picture on the internet that kind of looks like that, or
it's all muscle above its head like that. But man, that is so
weird. It is the other ones I've seen. You know, you can
you know, just just like the Patty film, you know what its head
is on his body, but not knocked that one. It might have been
the one, right. Well, I know you've had other encounters, but
I kind of want to vary You have so many stories you've heard from family
members and other people and people you're associated with. I kind of want to
vary it up again. Before we started, you were telling us about a
guy that you knew that hunted vampires and werewolves. Do you want to talk
about that or leave that out? It is okay, the same mental hospital
they told me this guy escaped from. When I got grown up, I
got a job out there. You know, you have all kinds of craziness
going on in the mental hospital. You know, got you an idea of
what can it does go on in a place like that? Yeah, it's
one guy came in and he was a John Doe. They didn't give his
name, and he wouldn't give his name. In fact, I knew him
for about four months, every day working with him before he finally told me
I could call him Tom. Young guy, well not young he was.
He had a demeanor on him, like so something like Denzel Washington. He
was a little a light skinned black guy. He was probably in his forties
at that point, maybe maybe even his fifties. It's hard to tell.
Very clean cut. We had a little clothing store over there where you could
go and the patients could go when they could get closed, and you could
tell that he was used to dressing nice. He was always you know,
like telling him, guys and run around in their underwear, not him.
He was always fully dressed, very very sociable. And they didn't haven't we
any medications of any kind. He was just there for observation. Have you
never known anybody was like lifetime military, How they've got this kind of way
about them that you can tell that he's like, you know, almost Chris
Turns and stuff. That's the way this guy was. After a bit of
time, I got to talking to him and he told me that he hunted
the paranormal, that he hunted vampires and werewolves. And that's that's the reason
he was admitted. He had driven a steak through a guy's heart in Tampa
and had killed him, or so they thought. And when the cops come,
and I guess the guy had a silent alarm that Tommy, Tommy wasn't
aware of. They came into their arrested bese. He went without a fuss,
And the only thing was he kept telling him he wasn't done yet.
He wasn't done yet. They had him locked up down there in the jail
and they were going asked prosecuting for murder. The body of the person or
whatever it was they thought was a person, it disappeared out of the morning.
He's gone. You know, they couldn't prosecute you for murder. They
had no evidence, They had nobody that had nothing. They set him down
to us. That's what he was telling me later about that. He said,
he said that you had to cut the head off to make it official.
If not, you pull that steake out, they come right back to
life. I guess that's would happy steak, he told me. He told
me the different things that he had done. The only thing he told me
about werewolves, because he knew well. To start the story off, he
told me that he was trained by a guy in Boston to do this kind
of stuff, that he has the wherewithal and the means to come and go
and do his please, and that he traveled up and down the Eastern Cboard
hunting estings, and that he made quite a few kills. He didn't say
what all, what all he gotten rid of, but you know, in
his mind he was a monster killing. That's what he did. He told
me about about werewolves. He said that you had to kill them when they're
in a human form. That the wolf was just too tough, you could,
you know. And I got thinking about this is when people told about
the dog men and they shoot to think fifteen times to the keeps Ronald coming.
That's what he said about a werewolf. He said, you know,
bullets of stuff really having no effect on him. You got to kill them
when they're human. Name I don't know, but anyways, he stayed there
about six and a half to seven months, and like I said, he
told me after about the four or fourth or fifth months, I could call
him. There a few few other people he that called time and he became
real good friends with the social worker. Well, one night on night shift,
this is the shift after mine, he gave a note to one of
the people and told them to give it to the social work and they were
like, well, why don't you just wait to give Jonahmar He's like,
well, you do this one. So the next morning when they do the
Brett the morning check, he was gone. They got no idea how he
got out of the place where he went to or what. He was just
gone. And the note with the social workers to this and I'm sorry,
man duty calls, that was that was the note. I don't know how
he got the notice to know when it was time for him to leave or
what, but he got ready to go, it was boom, he was
gone. That is fascinating that I have never talked to anybody like that in
my life. Now, did you work at the hospital? Yeah? I
worked about ten years out there. Okay, so that's how you had access
to him. Yeah, I'm figuring you're working, I don't know, carpentry
work or something. You had. He was a hand on your a crew
or something. But you later in life, I did a lot of menia
waivers at different things, but at that point I worked out there at the
at the hospital, and it's amazing about you know, when it comes to
the paranormal. I believe in the physical, I believe in the angelic,
and I believe in the demonic. I'm kind of a Bible literalist in that,
so I don't believe that if you see a ghost, that you're actually
seeing the spirit of somebody that dies. But I know spots in that hospital,
like every one ward up there where a nurse had gotten killed a patient
than that killed her, And on certain nights you could see her walking up
down the haulway. I don't know if that was just the psychic energy absorbed
by the building or what it was, but you know, I doubt you
can carry on the conversation with her. I don't believe in that, but
you could see her walking up down that hallway late at night. And I
know a lot of times, like with the way the units were laid out,
you had like one set awards on one side, and then like like
usually had male and female awards would would share like a courtyard to wear in
the evenings they could get out there and congregate a little bit and they had
these big flabberglass rocking chairs and I've walked between wards, you know, late
at night. I used to work fort at midnight and there wouldn't be a
wind blowing and the rocking chairs would be rocking like crazy. I don't know
if it was all the disturbed minds putting out in psychic energy or what it
was, but this silly stuff like that. We had a boy out there
one time and uh, I saw this myself, and this this one was
scared. He wasn't crazy. And you know, as as far as like
violinering, he thinks that most time he's very quiet, kept himself in the
room. Well, he believed that he was possessed by demon, and one
of the psychologists there decided, well, they're going to and she she was.
She was a nice lady, don't get me wrong. I mean she
went to church and everything else. But she thought that if she could convince
him that she, you know what, going exercises demon out of him,
that he'd get better. So one day she brings her Bible and starts to
pray over him and stuff. And old man, somebody who was so nice
and calm, he changed real quick. He was trying to kill her.
I grabbed hold of him. Now I waited, Oh at that time,
I probably weighed about two forty about six foot tall, so I was a
pretty big old boy. And I grabbed him, was planning him to the
ground. Two or three other guys grabbed hold of was trying to hold him
down over his face. It's just like you you ever watched like the old
you know, wolfman movies, and never he changed how they did that with
the stop motion photography. One minute he's a man, and it's like the
next scene he had a little bit of hair. Next team be more hairy.
Looking at his face. It did, but I don't know, like
like a demon's face was like projected over top of his. And he went
to flipping us around, and I say he did. He wouldn't have weighed
one hundred and twenty pounds. He was whipping us around like we weren't nothing.
They finally got enough dope in him to knock him out, but you
know, there for a while he was whipping three or four of us.
I think I ain't actually demonically possessed. And she brought it out, trying
to read that Bible and stuff over it. I think that happens. Well,
when my pop was dying, he was dying in the cancer he was
down in uh in Miami, dinner at the cancer center, and he was
he was kind of a war hero. He was shot three times in France.
Whenever they come time for him to die, he was sitting there up
in his bed and he had on a button down shirt, you know,
short sleeved shirt. I didn't see this figure, but I didn't see the
shirt. Afterwards, he said, death came, and you know, like
like death like you see like on the Simpsons or the Family Guy, you
know, the black robe and the bony hands and all that. He hed
come and stood on pop shoulder and he said, oh, boy, said,
you were skating me. You were skating me twice, he said,
but this time I have now. I looked at his shirt after that was
over, and there was two little footprints burnt the top of his shirt.
I said, I didn't see to figure. I guess only only he could
see the fat footprints his shirt. I think probably the ghost thing or I've
never seen anything, but I felt like the presence of other I don't even
know what to call them, entities close to me. Probably just probably just
my imagination, that's a lot closer than I've ever come to having a bigfoot
encounter, you know. And as far as encounters go, there's a lot
of bigfoot encounters and we do them all the time on this channel, and
you know, people talk about it all the time, But there are so
many more paranormal type stories, like you just told out there that they there's
a hundred times as many of those as there are bigfoot encrypted encounters. And
we were again talking before we started to record, and you were saying,
that's a huge deal that people deal with, and I'd like, I'd like
to start hearing more of those. You know, we're not just locked into
cryptids here anyway. That's a little bit off topic, but but but it
is interesting. Okay, So imagine you have even more ghost stories you want
to you want to you want to dig into that. Dave, Well,
here the road that I live on back in the day, and he used
to lead down to what was in the county seat. It's no longer than
the county seat. We had a courthouse down there, and we had the
hanging treaty into jail, you know, to to to the big churches were
down there back whenever I was dating my wife. There used to be a
spot about midway down that road where there was a swamp and they had put
big coverts in the swamp and it built a road over it. There was
a spot you can kind of pull over. You wouldn't be on the road,
but you can pull over there. And the way that freeze grew it
was like a tunnel. That was a good place to go and you know,
park, park with your sweetheart late later at night and sit and talk
and so forth. So we're down there one even and it's probably it's probably
going on where we are at four to twelve in the hospital, so it's
probably going on about one o'clock in the morning. We were sitting there discussing
life and getting married and all that, all that stuff, and we hear
coming down the road behind us the sound of a horse and wagon. You
hear the horse and ah, and you hear them plump of his feet,
You hear the the I guess a man and woman talking. You hear spring
squeaking and a bell ringing and so forth. It comes right up to the
car where we're parked, to ride on by us. You know, you
could hear all this and says, I looked on the road going in front
of us. All you could see was a horse and wagon. Was a
horse and white feet clumping on the floor on the ground. He's the four
white beetle. That was I thought, I, oh, that was pretty
good. She was, she was, she was ready to quit discussing.
It hit the road at that point, it was the conversation was over with.
And well, once she saw that she wanted no part of it.
I was staying at a house that was supposedly haunted. They told me that
there was the spirit of a little girl in there. Their their little girl
would see this other little girl's spirit or whatever, would you know, laugh
and giggle a wave at it. I know a couple of times on the
answering machine you get a message, it'd be like a child laughing. And
well, it worked out to where because I worked nights, I slept during
the day while you know, they were at working and their kids and stuff
were at school of babysit a I'm laying there and I'm sleeping real good,
and I feel something like shake mateau and I ignore it. And then I
feel pad on the leg and I ignore that, and then whap, I
get slapped in the face, and I go when I look in the mirror
and there's a little tiny handprint like you imagine a baby slapped my face,
Babe a favorite. I thought, Oh, that was kind of odd.
Uh. You know, we were talking about about how the psyche can play
on some things. Back in the twenties and thirties here in Florida. Each
have bands and gypsies. They still come today, if they don't come like
it did back then. They roll into town, you know, with a
horse and a wagon and they put on a show and they would go around.
They'd you know, do little odd jobs, fixing pots and pants.
Well, on Sunday, their thing was to put them on the show and
they had some animals and stuff. When the animals they had was a monkey
and they had like you remember, like the old organ grinders. The monkey
eat Chippy's hat and he'd do a backflip and he got a little tin cup.
Yeah. Well, he caught to people outside of church and he would
do that. He would do little flips and he told you know, and
people dropped a penny in his cups, and you know he'd out like he'd
done us a favor. Well, he'd watch the crowd and for the ones
that hadn't paid yet, he'd like going, like, you know, tug
on their pant leg, hold a cup out, like you know, quit
being cheap kind of thing. It was part of the act. And I
guess that if if a guy give him, give him a penny or whatever,
he chaked the guy's hand. Well, this woman, she was there,
and she was about a month along and pregnant, and you could tell
us she was scared of the monkey gives My grandmother telling the stories that she
was scared of that monky. But she reached out and dropped the penny in
the cup. Well, I guess the monkey was going to hop up on
her shoulder and kiss her. I guess it was the deal, you know,
thank you for the penny going to give her. And it's scared her.
It's scared her almost half to death. She'd like to faint it and
everything else. Well, fast forward seven months and the baby born. Maybe
it looks just like a monkey. Oh my gosh, your kid. My
grandmother, my grandmother said that that woman kept that baby covered up, you
know, like she'd be out walking the baby in the carriage, she'd have
a blanket over to you know, like tend it over the baby. They
want to buy to seat the baby. So he looked just like a monkey.
Yeah, you know, she was so scared of it that it imprinted
the baby or what. But I thought that that was a bit of a
bit of vidness, you know, for things to happen. You know,
I've I've seen something like that before, and it was in my adult life.
I bought some property in another state. I actually built a building on
it and ran a business out of it for fifteen years. But the property
was way out in the delta, and it had it had only just been
formed. There was an old liquor store on there that had been closed down.
And I bought the property from a woman who had inherited it from her
father, and she had two daughters. Now I don't know, I'm sure
it was a genetic a chromosomal thing or something, because I you know,
I'm not familiar with those type of birth defects and handicaps and things like that.
But she had two daughters, and I swear they both looked like cavemen.
They had you know, have you seen the pictures of a neanderthal looking
human face? And yeah, right, well these two girls were there were
twins, and they both looked identical and they looked like and they were very
friendly. I mean, I loved him. I talked to him all the
time. And of course they couldn't they were older. I think they were
in their thirties or forties, and they had to live with their mother.
But you know, when you first walk up and see that, it's shocking.
It's you have to really think about it, not to show it when
you see something like that. But she walked around town with them all the
time, and I never saw him before, but I saw him three or
four times after we made that deal on the property and I got her paid
and all that stuff, and it's really it was it's I have not thought
of that until you just told that story. That's amazing. It's amazing.
Now I'm going to think about it for another week and I don't know what
I'm going to glean from it. But that's really strange. So yeah,
the psyche does have I mean, the way you see things, the way
you absorb things and work them out in your mind, has a lot to
do with And there are people who will say, oh, that's that's just
bullcrap, that's not true and stuff like that. But there's too many.
It's like Bigfoot. There's too many stories out there, and it's hard to
weed through the chaff, you know. To I think somebody said, wino
out the chaff, and I don't even try to do that. But I
just listened to the stories and I relate them to everyone because I like the
story. But there's too many. There's too much weird stuff that people talk
about through the years for some of that not to be true. Don't you
think, Oh yeah, it's just like just like that. The story about
the fact, now I saw him. It's daughter and she would have been
I'd have been about sixteen at the time, and she'd have been in her
late fifties, almost sixty. And they said that she got the blessing of
the face. She was, you know, the first I guess the first
three kids had the pock marks and the missing hair and stuff to match him.
It. By the time come along, I guess they forgave her.
But I've seen her face. I don't know how to explain it. It
was it was an ethereal beauty. She almost glowed, you know, It's
like if she if she she walked into a grocery store or a public place,
everybody would turn and look at her. It was just it was just
set that outstanding. I mean that the ain't no movie store had nothing on
her, and to be as old as she was and to look at her,
I mean it was you know, you do see you do see the
age on her at all. I mean it was, you know, almost
I don't know. I won't say tinker bellish, but you know what I
mean, It's it's just I don't know, she glowed and I can't even
explain it. It's like it's like Pop. You know, Pop's always been,
uh, the center of attention whenever he went anywheres. He had a
good sense of humor, and he wasn't you know, he's pretty good looked
fellow and Eric. You know when I seen her walk up, Pop's jaw
hanging open. I know that he saw it too. He's like, you
know, what is this this angel come down from heaven kind of thing?
And here's another thing, like, for instance, the Faye. I got
a lot of comments on that video and I can't I'm trying. I get
so many. I'm trying to think, but here's what I'm trying to get
at people will lock for instance, you know a story about fairies, for
example, they'll lock them into something they read and they can't they can't see
it any other way. Or they'll see Darby O'Gill and the little people,
or they else you know, or you know, like a banshee, or
and they lock them into one. They have one vision of what these things
can be. But the truth is, for example, the fae can take
on all kinds of all kinds of physical appearances. Wouldn't you do you agree
with that? I mean, like people lock themselves into what they think Bigfoot
looks like. But I think the descriptions that we get across the at least
across North America, your description when we first started was totally different than anything
I've ever seen. And I don't doubt for a minute you saw, but
that was a different looking you know, Carrie Arnold, he describes one.
A matter of fact, the one he describes sounds like the one you described.
It was real wide, and you know, had real big you know,
those big neck muscles and what do you call those shoulder muscles next to
your neck anyway, those kind of muscles. So, and then you hear
people like I got the guy who told me the story while he was duck
hunting that I wrote recently. He said the one he saw was tall and
lanky. So I mean, I think they take on all kinds of different
forms. And what do you think about Bigfoot? Do you think he's a
physical, flesh and blood beast. I want to say yes. I mean
looking at it, looking at it biblically, there's there's there's only two things
I see Bigfoot as being. He's either descendant enough or he's Esau, one
of the you know when they biblely they talk about Esau, about him being
a man of the forest, and Harry Man and of course Jacob and them
when they say it, you know, there's there's no surprise in it.
It's like that was an everyday occurrence. Oh I'm a smooth man, but
my brother, he's a hearty man. It's like that's something that happened every
day back. I don't know, maybe they were just a different branch of
humanity that popped up every you know, blue moon or what the deal was.
But I do know that they can do things with the speed and the
ability that they move, you know, it's it almost seems supernatural. I'm
not gonna say it's supernatural, but they're so in tune with their environment.
It's like I've I've seen one walking across the pal meta field. Yeah dude,
you're familiar with pal metace, right, Yeah, Okay, Now you
know as well as I do. There's there's you ned to do a clump
of palm metace. You and I couldn't go through there with you know,
with a machete. It take us half an hour to move twenty feet.
And I've seen these things go through them like they're gliding, like they're on
the ten speed bicycle going full out blue. I don't through there, and
they don't bob, they don't trip, they don't weave, they just I
don't through there. You know, it's like it is it? Are they
that in tune with it and they're that fast and that agile to where it
makes you look supernatural? You know. I know people talk about cloaking and
all that the stuff. Now, so so something I do believe, because
I do, I do believe in the demonic. I believe if you go
out there looking for Bigfoot or whatever dis you're looking and you don't have a
clear crisp idea in your mind and what that is? You know, Bigfoot,
he's the greatest side and teak player there is. He don't want to
be seen, but there's plenty of things out there that do. I know
guys here here local that if you know, they spend a lot of third
time in the green Swamp. They go hunting for Bigfoot, and they do
pretty good. But for every one time they see a big Foot, they'd
be three or four times they'll see a shadow man. Are you familiar with
the shadow man? Basically a shadow man is it's a shadow that walks and
moves. It's it's a three dimensional shadow. It's a dark entedy. I
saw one on one occasion walking across the back of my property to look at
it. It looked just like, you know, an old man with a
cowboy hat. Of course it's all dark and in shadow. But you can
watch him move. You know, he moved from fact Montfoot who was my
daughter has seen him, call me the one they're watching. And he just
walked and hambled along and then just when he got a certain part, he
just disappeared. I've got a friend, he's a he was a highly patrollan
at that time. He saw one in his in his kid's bedroom, and
he pulled a gun on it. They've walked crazy the wall, this pear.
Now Here's here's a guy that his his whole thing is about observation.
And he told me, said, Dave, you know, Gud's my witness.
That's what this thing was. It was a walking shadow. But we
were talking before about the way the way things can seem, the way things
you know, are, are different for everybody to seize him, you know,
I guess it was right after Thanksgiving and I've got some neighbors down here.
They raised uh barbe to the sheep, and I don't have you ever
seen a barbe the sheep or not? That they aren't really like like in
white sheep are. They're kind of a long hair They looked like a long
stringy haircoat what they looked like. But he had about ten of them and
he got up one morning and they were all dead. Well, people around
here know that I'm into that kind of thing. So one of his neighbors,
that's about better and take a look. I go down here and I'm
taking a look. I'm trying to talk to him and they ain't the Spanish
belt. I didn't know him all the time we're talking, he's acting like
you don't understand englishes. I looked at the animals. They were all killed
with a single blow to the left side of their neck. The hole that
it left. You've seen people that like the ice climbers. They got the
little pick they used to climb nice with. If you walked up and snacked
the sheep in the side of the neck, that's what the hole looked like.
We've got a lot of sugar sand down here, so it's not great
on tracks. The little pen they had the sheet then was probably fifty by
fifty. Then walking around in that pen at night, they done wore away
most of the grass. There was one spot there where they had an old
metal tub like the bathtub out of the house and what they're using for water
and through and they had it plugged up, but it leaked. There was
some water there. The ground was well enough to leave the track you could
actually make out. I looked at that track, and that track was a
lizard's track. It was. It had the elongated and I guess they call
it the second distal, the lange, or if you looked at your hand
and beat your ring finger at elongated and the lizard track. I've seen it,
it was probably probably six inches, not not including that toes. If
you included to include that long toe, it's probably about about eight inches.
So looked. I didn't see. I didn't see a trail for any tails
or anything. So I went. I told him, I said, well,
I know, this isn't a dog attack, this isn't a big cat
attack. I said, I'm gonna go home. I'm gonna get up some
casting material, cast this track. I'm gonna, you know, shave the
neck of the things. We get a good look at this stuff. But
I left. I was gone about an hour and a half trying to get
my stuff together, and I went back down there. Of course by then,
and I had asked him. Of course, he was hard to communicate
because he act, you know, he acted like you didn't understanding. You
know, it was any kind of noise made or you know, they didn't
hear nothing, they didn't see nothing. They'd got up and you know,
the sheep for this. By the time I got back down there, the
cops are in the yard and they done pointed to he had a neighbor over
there. So he's about I don't know about fifty fifty five years old,
and he's gay, and he's pretty flamboyant about it, and you know,
he holler out and he'd you know, be out in the front yard like
in a daisy dukes and stuff, hollering the guys driving. So the whole
neighborhood didn't like him anyway. And he had some dogs. And I know
these dogs. These dogs are they're more of a nuisance than anything. I
mean, they're they're terif you trash, you'll pull your clothes down off the
clothes line, that kind of thing. But they want vicious animals. But
by the time I get back down there, the cops are there and animal
control were there, and they picked up the two of the dogs that belonged
to that fellow. And he doesn't change his story. Now, oh yeah,
he's seen the dogs do it and all like that. He wouldn't let
me go in there and cat he wouldn't let me examine the bodies after that,
So I went down there too. Whenever they actually having the court case,
this would have been old towards the end of January, would actually went
to court, I was just well, I don't want to see what they're
gonna say. But I was gonna tell the jud hey, I looked at
their bodies. That was not a dog at that. That was that single
point and something else about to punch your room. It kind of gotten thinking.
You've cut your hand, cut your finger before, and you wash it
in the in the sink and you get like the water down blood kind of
that runny, pinkish look. Yeah, that's what the little bit of blood
on the animal's neck looked like. And there wasn't no blood on the ground.
Now, I butchered a lot of hogs. I've done a lot of
hunting. You know, when you stick an animal, it bleeds. Even
in this sugar sand, you could tell where an animal bled out. There
wasn't much blood around these and what I said, what blood was on them,
it looked watered down. So whatever it was a god them use some
kind of handicoagulants, which gotta be thinking too. I mean, you've got
ten sheet that's that's a lot of blood for one animal. I don't know,
either some kind of clotting agent or they got all the blood out of
it. I was talking to SHANEA and Crystall and people over it, American
Cryptids their Facebook page and they were. They were saying it was probably a
che picabra. Now, if you look up chie picabra, you know,
on Google or whatever, they're gonna show you a picture of an old Manji
coyote or you know, a dog that's got the mange. But they said
no, that those pictures are misleading because they were telling me about other cases
where you know, they would go and you know, kill every chicken in
the chicken coop with that function wound, and they wouldn't make a sound.
That's why apparently these these sheep did. I mean, they didn't make any
noise. There were no ruckus made. They just like went one from one
animal to the other and spiked him in the neck and drank their blood.
I guess. But anyway, I went to the court day. Of course,
when they're when they're talking to the judge, they all speak perfect English.
At this point, it wasn't like it was and I was trying to
make goat sounds and stuff out there and striking maybe man I hate Anyway,
they had brought pictures in of you know, like the dead the dead sheep
out there in the field. The judge asked them, said, well,
did you see the dog? Oh, yes, yes, we've seen the
dog. Did you take the Oh no, we didn't take pictures. Did
you try and stop the dog? Oh no, we didn't try and stop
it. And he's like, you know, empty pictures. You didn't try
and stop it. You know, case's dismissed. But I was going to
tell the judge and then you know, but unfortunately the guy, you know,
the animal can throw already picked up the dogs and he lost his dogs.
But he was you know, he wasn't a very conscientious dog owner anyway.
But you know, I did see two dogs get destroyed. Right,
bad owners, not bad dog say kind of Yeah, you're just always in
the right place at the right time, or through your life you've you've had
some or maybe you're just able to recognize it. You know. It's it's
funny you say that because I've talked to people and they were like, there
are certain people that have kind of you know, lucked up into this.
I don't say lucked up, but they seem to, you know, be
the center of this kind of thing. It's like, uh, oh,
some like in folks. His name is jam Williams. This was back years
years ago, long long before I was born. He was sitting up.
Fever was going through West Virginia and he was sitting up with a little toddler.
I guess he was the only one in the house there. Basically he
was in one room and in the bedroom was like through an open doorway there,
and that's where the child was laying in the crib. And you know,
they they knew he wasn't want to make it through the night. So
he got up and he heard a voice saying, come and see. So
he walked to the doorway and looks in. He didn't go in the room,
and he said, you know, he cries and gave cry when he
told you in the story. He couldn't he couldn't tell you what a great
faced he, you know, bring chears through his nights. But he saw
the angels death and he said it was huge. Said it's wing tips touched
either side of the of the room, which ten by ten room. I
mean just it's you know, wingtips would have been longer than that. And
and he was tall, and he was all bent over and said he reached
down like into the bassinette. He couldn't see was reaching for and like he
cupped up water and it's in his hand of course this you know, the
annel was going, but whatever it was he cupped up, was going twice
and right. It just kind of faded away and left. Now fast forward
to head to two thousan eleven. My wife was dying. I had her
here at home, and I had her set close to the window where she
could see out. She was telling me about the man in white. She
kept seeing and when it first started awful, he was out there by the
road. And then you know a few days later, well he was coming
up the driveway. The third day, well he's at the bottom of the
stairs, and so forth. Well, the day that she died, she
had slipped into a coma, and we'd done decided she was gonna die at
home. She done been to the hospital. How many times they patched her
ups in her home. He goes through all that stuff, and again that
was our decision. So the preacher came by me and him a kind of
thought about it, like I say, she's she's fixed to go within an
hour. I happen to just glance out the window, and there for a
second I seen I've seen the man in white standing there to what would be
my front stoop, getting ready to come to the door, and of course
she didn't look Angela. He just looked like, I don't know, young
John Denver, Jong, Glenn Campbell, somebody like that, and just white
clothes, very clean cut, you know, very attractive young man. I
seen him for a second. He was gone. But you know, I
guess, I guess as angels come in any form, and I guess whatever
they want you to see is what you see. But I'm so sorry about
your wife. That just breaks my heart. Yeah, she'd been sick a
long time. You know. It's like, I don't begrudge death. I
know everybody's gonna die, but this suffering stuff, I ain't got no part
with that. That's you know, seemed like seemed like all my family members
they died along suffering death. Yeah. It's hard. It's hard, and
you're right, none of us get out of here alive, none of us.
But it's hard for a spouse to watch their other spouse kind of waste
away and die. But you you hung with her and you loved her,
and that's a that's real special. But and you got to experience that and
you know, with her, So I think that's really interesting. You know.
Well, whenever she was telling me about it, and I was saying,
well, you know, she's sick her brain, like get the option,
and she's imagining this she's the one painkiller until I've seen it for myself.
And it's like, you know, all the time, I'm kind of
putting it back in my mind that you know, this is all her imagination,
but it wasn't. It was real. That's what I was gonna say
earlier. Is like the guy that had the sheep that were killed. You
know, somebody could come drive up to my house and say, hey,
there's a there's a I don't know, I mean, think of anything something
along those lines, or you know there's a big foot walking through these woods.
Come same. I don't know that I would go, So I think
that's the I mean, I would probably go, Man, I don't have
time to do that. I gotta get to work. That's the difference between
probably you and me. As it interests you and you'll go check it out,
like you said you were gonna you spend an hour and a half away
from the site wanting to come back and make the cast of that track,
and I would have never done that. I don't know if I'm just lazy
or I think I'll probably just try to expend my energy on things that I
know, or that's just kind of the way my mind works, you know,
maximize time all the time. Heck, if I just hauled in a
bunch of groceries about an hour ago, and I'm sitting there working in my
mind out how I can get every one of these Walmart bags up in the
house in one trip. But you know what I'm saying. I mean,
those things through your life, those things have interested you and you see something
to it to where other people wouldn't, which goes to the way that people
think about these things. And there's a lot of paranormal type stories out there
that probably you know, I'm an inquisitive person. I guess if I were
to meet someone here locally that I could sit down and talk to and get
to know them and maybe even experienced some of the things they would, I
would probably do it. I'm just never in that position. I'm just kind
of stuck here behind the microphone in my YouTube life and my other life.
I'm just sitting here working on engineering stuff. So what else is going on?
Anything going on recently that you've that you've had an experience with the most
recent thing has happened here, I guess was my my my girlfriend. Now
she had a little cat, so strange dogs had come through here and they
killed her cats. Well, well before we found the cat's body, she
went off in the woods with me to call for this cat. She thought
the cat was lost in the woods. And normally you couldn't fare enough money
going in wood. She just wouldn't do it. She said, in gats,
you don't want to part it. But she's out there and she's hauled
for the cat. She's hauling for the cat, and then she finds the
cat's body the next day, you know, and courses the cats dead,
and she makes me give us uneral up there out in a new yard.
She's putting flowers out there, and she flew the crying. And that night
the big Foot's come and they started leaving her gifts, leaving her orange.
Just say they left her an orange on the hood of her car. How
they knew her car many playoffs the car. Me tell me they've been watching
and they knew exactly who she was, where it was, and they left
they left oranges twice for her, and then the last the last time they
came, they had gotten you remember them old blue metal coffee pots camp and
sets. Yeah, yeah, that's somewhere. They had found one in blue
in blue metal coffee pots and they had left that out there for on the
hood of the car. And that was you know, kind of like,
oh, don't cry, you know it was you know, we feel bad
for you. That's the last thing that happened here. Did you say they
were bringing her oranges? Yeah, we've got on orange grow probably oh about
a mile down the road from me, okay, And they went down there
and they pick, they pick oranges. They leave him on the hood of
her card. He did that, Why twice they left orangs just and then
they they that coffee pot and a half that day will leave us, Like
I think I could see more and long enough three days. Do you live
out in a rural rural area? It was a lot more rural whenever I
was a kid. It started to build up. Now, but everything out
of here is cut into either five or seven and a half acre tracks out
here. Yeah, okay. When when I first moved out here, I
had like two or three neighbors. Now they're they're all around me. Of
course, you know about the closest houses and getting one the other about three
hundred feet from the center, one at one five acre tractice the next.
So if you've had recent activities, do you ever do you ever talk to
your neighbors about that? Do you get in collaboration with them? Or similar
stories. I've got a young feller there behind us. He decided he will
be in the chicken raising business. And he built a nice big chicken pin
and he got cows, and he got chickens and stuff. Within about a
week or two. He had bunch of chickens this year, and I found
their wings all over my yard and then in in the back of my property.
Apparently that when a big foot takes a chicken, he takes it live
and where he's going, and then where he gets where heal sound he eat,
that's where he eats him. So I find a pile of like you
know, the wing tip part agent b broke off in a pilot property.
So I went over there, and I of course, like three months he
lost like one hundred twenty chickens. I mean they were cleaning him out.
Of course, he's all the time the raccoons or whatever, and I'm like,
buddy, raccoons on open up the chicken pan, go in and get
a handful of the walk out and then lock the pin behind them. They
don't do that, but you know, I could see right off. He
wasn't too open to the idea, so I didn't mention it to him.
I had another fell. I had his traval trailer here on my property.
Well after the hurricane it happened here in two thousand side a lot of people
have lost everything down, houses destroyed and everything. I was one of them.
I had power and stuff right out here to my barn. So we
put out a bunch of travel trailers, different people staying out there. Well,
I went out there one evening to see my uncle Bill, and on
top of his trailer was a garden. Well he wasn't very big. He
was probably, I don't know, sixteen seventeen inches tall. When it took
off the flight, it had wings. It spread its wings. They never
flapped its wings to the lift. That's read I think alt of the Demonican.
It feeding off all the negative energy for people had lost their homes,
didn't know what they were going to do. I saw that, and I
saw I saw at the little people one done too. They were I got
a cowpond out here, and the way the cowpond was dug their last a
little peninsula that comes out in the side of it. And to the one
side of that peninsula, I saw something playing and at first I thought it
was birds like little wood ducks or something splashing around. So I come out
around the curve of the peninsula where I could see it, and I could
see it two little people. They were less than twenty inches tall, and
their bodies were uh, they didn't have any hair on them. They were
brown. They were uh, you got you got grandchildren. So I'm sure
you've seen the Disney movie Moanna. Yeah, okay, you know the the
demigogue Mallie Cow. He's built he's almost as broad as he is tall.
Yeah, yeah, Now that that was the figure. These these two little
people, they were one was male and one was female and they was playing
there splash just like kids with splashing the water, splashing one another stuff.
Well, as I got come around to get a really close look at them,
but I had to go around this peninsula. And once I come around
the peninsula, they were out in my line of sight. By the time
I got around it, they were gone. But here in Florida. These
califonds, they got muck bottoms in them. So the water is somewhere between
the shade of iced tea and coffee. It's always black and nasty looking water.
Coals don't seem to mind it. But if you go, if you
swimming in one, you come out thirty your wings went in. But the
spot, the spot where they were playing, like in about a four foot
circle, that water was so clean. It looked clean enough to drink.
I don't know what they've done in that water where it was planned, but
it was just as clean. It looked like, you know, store bought
drinking water, and that one looked fun. When I tried to tell my
uncle about those two things and about fool guard Oyle, they gave me a
stank guy and they didn't believe him. It so about about what, well,
what people will and won't believe. It's you know, it was just
just like an aghbor behind me. He'd accept anything, accept that. And
you know the people down the road, of course, I think I think
more of there's about money signed They figured at too and get a bunch of
money out of the guy. Well, you said, the guy who lost
all his chickens. You didn't really You didn't really broach the topic with him,
did you. Well, I I kind of broached it, just like
you know, he's talking about the raccoons, and I'm like, you know,
racos don't open up a chicken pan going there, get a hand below
the clothes pin. Mind, they will do that. So and he's,
you know, trying to think of everything, and you know, I could,
I could see he wasn't open to it. It's like, uh,
I had another fellow. I brought a travel trailer over here to be fixed.
I used to do some elect electronical repair and his, uh, his
power and burner had burnt out on it. So they brought over here from
a six powerd burn and the first night. You know, the Sasquatches,
they're smart. They they recognize things. They know that usually where there's a
travel trailer, there's campers. Whether there's campers, there's you know, cooler,
it's full of good Easton picnic. What's this stuff? So I had
it parked over there and on the front they had the gas bottles and they
had a cover over top of it. And I'm listening and I'm hearing anyh
over there, and he's trying to lift that cover, see if there's food
or he's that cover jiggling them gas bottles and stuff. It was dark.
I didn't shine a light. It was as I've learned that you shine a
light, disappear quick. But yeah, I can go out there. It's
about they make a circuit here about every two weeks. They'll show up three
or four days and they're going about their you know, about their circuit.
I don't know. I don't know how big their territory is, but you
know, I imagine it up in an order and climates that you know,
when they they kind of follow the seasons like uh well, like in that
that phase story they talk about about the wood folks about how they they would
leave the area when the leaves turn, they go deeper back in the mountains.
Well, here in Florida, we you know, we don't have any
We've only got two seasons here underwater, on fire. We don't snow or
anything talk about So I think they just make a They just make circuits.
Like I say, I can I can Almos sign it. And if I
sit out there on my back stoop, you know, when they're in town
or in the area, you can hear the the the big owl who sound
like a four hundred pound hour About there, you're hear a knock and response.
If you listened real close, you can hear them. Like there's a
tree line about maybe one hundred and twenty feet from my place. You can
hear them walk along that tree line. Then you know they're watching the house.
Sometimes late as night mung about two three o'clock in the morning, you
hear them pat inside the house. They've patted up high, so high they
I live in a manufactured home, so the pat where they're patting, they've
got to be able to reach up, you know, eight they'd smackside the
house. That kind of thing I had, well, I had a small
X in the backyard. I met some juveniles that built it, and I
left it up there for a while, And finally one day I was out
doing something in the yard. The X may out of two small maple trees.
They probably about it bigg around as your wrist. They weren't very big.
They were just pull up out of the ground and made X with the
roots up. One with the roots found made X at it. So I
burned that X, oh man. I made them mad with that. The
next night they egged the back of my house with bird eggs. Yeah,
they took about about four or five different types of birds. I don't know
where all they got the eggs from and just flattered the back of my house
with them. They probably though tendered twelve eggs back side of my house.
If they hey, you know that that was our eggs. They get mischievous,
don't they. Well, you know, you know that's that's probably a
pretty big food source for them. I imagine they've gotten quite a bit trug
I imagine it a view and I was built that egg. They probably got
bubbled that. I don't know, like that that little one I had out
here in the front yard. I had poured a driveway, concrete driveway up
to the house because mc gal friends he was talking about Dracula's dirt punse,
So we poured that driveway. Well, when it was new, it was
pretty slick when we had a little rains for them. And then I was
looking out there and the concrete was wet and there was a little one.
He was probably about the side of a toddler, about a two or three
year old, and he would run and ski across like like he was ice
skating on that flick concrete. I imagine he got into trouble for that too.
They ain't seen I would watch him for two or three minutes after ice
skating. You know, it's like, you know, I wanted to film
him, but by the time you walk out there with a camera, he's
gone. Anyway. Oh yeah, like I've I've had a lot of people
at them. You know, well, why don't you put up trail cans.
Why don't you The minute you do that, they stop interacting with They
won't. You know, it's like it's like you're you're warding them off.
They don't want to interact with I know I had I had put out marbles
and things like that, and you know, they'd take the marbles or they'd
move them. I gotta like, I'll take it. I'll stick a shovel
in the ground, or you know, I can't carry a machetey, I'll
stick a ma chetty in a certain defense posts and go out there the next
day and it's been moving, stuck into another fence post, so the shovel
has been he was leaning head down, they'd be turned up the head up
that kind. But all this activity around your house and maybe you're not close
to all your neighbors, I'm not. I've got people who live all around
me. I don't even know who they are, and I should, but
I'm so busy I don't. I just don't have time to go meet I
know some of them. But my question is, you don't have anybody there
that sees these things like you do, or can share stories like you do
with, you know, amongst yourselves. I know people that have seen things,
but trying to get them to talk about it's like trying to pull teeth,
you know. It's like, uh, I know, like like some
of the so some of the people I've I've talked to, you know,
it's like I've got I've got some neighbors down the road and their property backs
up into a bigger pastor field, so they're probably forty acres in that block,
and you know, there's there's really nothing on, and you know they'll
see something, you know, running across the back or whatever, but you
know they won't they won't call it by name. You know, I see
something run across or what it looked like, well, it kind of looked
like a man, it wasn't a big well I'm not saying that, but
yeah, they see stuffs, will talk about they won't give the name.
And then you've got other people out here that you know, if if,
if what they say is true. It's like, uh, I've had a
few guys tell me that you know, they've seen, you know, the
dog man. You know, they're like, I know, I know.
One guy told me he went up took up in northern Florida, went up
in the bear hunt, and he said he seen he seen the dog man
up there. But again, these are the same guys that I've been hunting
with that you know, a killer uh a little two points And by the
time and they told the story, it was, you know, world record
twelve point kind of thing. I don't know, I know, I know
if you like that. I wanted to say a couple of things or give
you a chance to talk about now You've sent me a couple of stories.
One was the Mackie's and the Fay and the other the other was about the
Rattlesnake Cannery and Harold Keane and it was I love that story. That was
so good. But you uh, you have so many that you've written and
you've sent them out to other people. Talk about talk about some of the
other channels you've sent them. Sent the stories to one American cryptis. One
time was about a story that was told to me by selling M. A.
J. Bullock. He was he run a sawmill down here. I
worked for him for a while whenever I was rushed out of high school.
One of the best jobs I've ever had out of the sun. And you
know, we were out there cutting down trees, cutting, you know,
cutting timber and the lumber. But he told me, or see, he
didn't believe in the big food, but he told me about claim that he
had gotten there and outside of his home in Purpose, Mississippi. It was,
you know, a bunch of old growth timber and stuff that he'd gotten
to claim board. And he said the guy that the guy either didn't know
what it was worth or you know, he just didn't care. So he
got it like a rock bottom prices. So he went in there to stake
his claim. And the first day they went in there and there was trees
dragged across the roads. They had been to day cut the trees out.
They finally got you know, the sawyers down there and were cutting and you
know, they were getting rocks throwed at them. They got one guy got
his nose broke. Somebody chunk chunk of wood at him and he run in
the face and bust his nose. This stuff was was messed with. They
had a little he described it like a like a like a D three doz
or. It's a it's a small track machine. And they used for a
skidder to pull logs out of the out of the woods with. And something
had pushed it sideways and not knocked the track off of it. And of
course by now he's thinking that, you know, somebody wants to jump his
claim and cut the timber, and they wasn't gonna run him off. You
know, Yead, you had guys quitting every day because they you know,
they getting scared of being rocks throwed at him. And of course that one
boy had his nose broke. You know, he even told him that I
ain't coming back, said there's boogers in the woods. Of course, you
know, ajaj Aj always thought it was, you know, somebody trying to
sabotage his operation. But the last time he went out there, he went
out there with guns and stuff. He went out there early in the morning,
thinking eagle to catch these people out there, and messed around, you
know, yet a drum, a druma diesel fuel was upban didn't turned over.
I mean stuff that he would take that well like blah lah like that,
like that skitter that got turned sideway, you know, a farm tractor
movement. The human being couldn't move that push it sideways like like like it
was pushed. And like the digel drums. They had their fuel men.
You know, I fIF fits five gallon druma a diesel fuels. Pretty heavy
thing to pick up and throw. So you know they limped up out of
there. Now I checked on going the Google Earth where that piece of ground
was. They No, nobody never did cut that piece of ground. You
know, it's like so, yeah, those trees are still there looking at
Google Earth and there didn't nobody ever go in there. And you know saw
so saw Milan's a big part of the livelihood Louisiana and Mississippi, especially that
old growth timber you're doing about, you know, pine trees that two men
can't reach around, right, you know, crime crime stuff. Didn't way
ever cut that. I don't know if they all got scared out or what
the deal was. We just had a guy clear cut a forty acre track
right next to me, and I went out there and talk to him,
and of course I had to ask him. I said, y'all ever getting
way back here in these woods and stuff, do y'all ever see anything strange?
He goes, oh, yeah, yeah, we see some weird stuff.
And I said anything about bigfoot? And he goes, I'll tell you
about that sometime if I run into you at the restaurant. But I got
to get back to work now, so I've already. He was telling me.
I think these But the point is, these guys at work in the
timber industry, I think they run into that stuff a lot. I'm sure
they do. Uh, you know, it's just it's just like hunters,
you know, I don't know, I don't know what the guys that you
know, that don't even believe will go out and and and they'll go hunting
and they'll be in, you know, in the middle of field field dressing
a deer whatever, and come back and you know their killer is gone,
or they'll shoot one, they'll see it off and before they can get to
it, it's gone. It's just spirit and it's get's close by. I
mean, here, everybody's got this idea. You got to be in the
woods to see him. I think that they're a whole lot closer than people
think they're just like in my little area here, it's like, yeah,
you know, there's there's steers here. There there's hog here. You know,
there's there's plenty for them to eat. You know, a lot of
these places like cleared off fashion land and stuff. Every once in a while
the big foot will take it upon himself that he's gonna kill some coyotes.
I don't know why. At first I thought that maybe they did it,
you know, a piece of ranchers. Well, if the kyote, you
know, if they come in here is trying to kill coyotes, in might
find up. And then I thought, well, maybe he's a ride of
passage. I don't know, maybe maybe when a young bigfoot decides he's a
man now, he's gonna go out and kill the largest predator he can come
across. But that night I heard him killing him coyotes and the most ungodly
thing you ever want to hear the animals japing and screaming. They had went
into I guess, a whole pack up and they just like grab them up
by the leg or by the tail, just beat their bodies against the ground
and then they laid them out like they were, you know, when they
were on the show. The next morning, when I got down there,
there was eight up laid out in a rug and their bones were broken and
skulls cracked in and you could see spots in the ground where they just you
know, they just beat them on the ground. I don't know if they
were hitting them with clubs or what, but it was like, you know,
a big show thing. And I've been in spots two, like on
farther down the road where you find three or four of them hanging on a
bob marpin. It's like, you know, this is a sign, you
know, looking at the look at out big and bad. I am.
I killed these these eight coyotes, you know, with nothing but a stick,
that kind of thing. Do you think it's a competition thinge competition for
food? Maybe I don't think so, because I mean, they really aren't
the same class. I mean it's like, well, you take you take
a big foot down here, and I have I have run in, I
have run into this. I've actually seen the aftermath of it. They'll take
and they'll pull up a young fine dream. It's probably eight or ten feet
long. Ship the branches off of it. They'll run out into a herd
of hogs and they'll start slapping them and they'll smack and break their legs.
You'll cripple up many of them as if possible, and then go back.
It's like it's like keeping fishing alive. Well, they'll be all these crippled
hogs out there and they'll go back and you know, kill them as they
need them kind of thing. I know, guys that'll run up onto a
herd of hogs and and you know, maybe eight of them and got got
their front legs broke, and they're all, you know, just kind of
wallowing out there, you know, waiting for whatever just come back and get
them. And then they're smart too. It's like a lot of people around
here. They hog hunt from up from a swamp leg and they'll be out
there on the buggy and they'll be out hog hunting and they'll be going down
the track. Well, the big foot are smart. They'll get off to
the side of the track and they'll find the spot, you know, like
a choke point where he talks you make a breaking you know, can go
through a spot where that buggy can't go, and that's that's where they'll be
waiting. They'll be waiting, runt there at that check point and just club
them up some hugs, then clean them out. And I think you're right.
I don't think Coyoty and the Bigfoot are on the same class. Cowdies
eat small game, they don't eat. You know. One of the big
fallacies is that cowodies are killing deer by the thousands. They're not. They'll
take a fawn, but they unless it's a pack of them. They can't
take down a full grown deer. One of them can't. And so yeah,
I doubt it's competition. That's interesting. Well, like I said,
we're coming up past an hour. We talked about so many things before we
got on the air here, and is there anything we left out you wanted
to talk about. I don't know, Cam, there's so many of them.
I could come up with. The One thing that they got me the
most, I guess is whenever you come to an area or a story where
you've got people that have actually seen it, you know, I've actually gone
through it, and then they hear them retell it. I mean, it's
just just like like like me trying to talk some of this stuff, but
there's so many things you can't explain, you know. And then you go
to a chat room and he say, well, this is what I've seen.
What could it be? You've got some people got that's what any different
ideas about it, be it ghosts or chupacabres or or whatever it is.
Ye. So, but when whenever I get a story from somebody, it's
like, it's like the story I got, I got a back team that
was told to me by some of the jumps. You know, they're there
an old fa family here, and I vet these stories, you know,
I go back and I look, well, this is where it happened,
and and and and you know, this is where the house would have been.
And you know you met him on Google or well that's six miles and
it's you know, and he there's the cannery and yes, here's here.
Here's the old clippings where he was advertising that, you know, live snakes
and worth more in the dead snakes. And so you're trying to vet all
the stuff before you before you present it. But like to the story of
the Fay, in my mind, it was all live sales U till I've
seen until I've seen him, and it's like, man's this this had to
him been real, right, you know? Davis just a wealth of information
on not just Bigfoot, but the story about the guy from the mental institution
was fascinating. Whatever happened to that guy? Did he just fade away?
Did they release him? What happened? Did he go to prison? That's
the thing. I mean, they wouldn't have caught him if the guy hadn't
had the silent along. And when he when he left us, there was
no sign of escape. I've got no idea how he got out of that
building. You know, we're we're a security mental institution. You've got to
have a key to get in and get out. So how he got out
with nobody seeing him? You know, where did he go from there?
Because he was kind of out, you know, in the middle of nowhere.
If he had if he had somehow contacted somebody pre arranging to be picked
up or what you know, and and when they picked him up, he
had no ID, he didn't have no money, he didn't have none of
that when he left. I don't know, of course, there ain't no
telling. He may have statues berries here and there with fake IDs and money
and everything else. That is the makings of a novel if you ask me.
I mean, that's an eighty thousand word novel you could do. Somebody
could take that idea and just run with it and keep all the facts in
there and then expound on what he did after after he left. And did
you say that was in two thou eleven? No, that was much earlier
than that, wasn't it. Yeah, that would have been what about eighty
seven or eighty eight? I believe? Okay, was he a young guy?
Then? No, he was, like I said, he was probably
of course, it's it's hard to tell. Like I said, he had
woman in faces like Denzel Washington, he could have been fifty or he could
have been you know, thirty or anywhere in between. Right, very clean
side. It's like, you know, here we are in a mental institution
and you have a patient who's acting out. I mean they're they're fixing to
gets physical and violent, and I've seen him just look at him, say
now, you settle down now, and they just go quiet. You know.
It's like it's like, you know, you have you have an institution
like that, you have bullies, you know, why bully him? Yeah,
they didn't get close to him. They were just you you could see.
It's like if he came walking down the hallway. Of course, you
know, he was very humble, you know, like did you did you
ever see the Book of Eli? Yes, okay, this is that's the
kind of guy he reminded you of. Okay, he was just very humble,
very clean cut, but you can imagine at any time that he would
get you some kind of chop psych to just knock you out. That's the
way the people treated him. It's like, you know, even even the
big christ guys who would reach out and grab a staff member and try and
chill them, they gave him a wide birthday walk down the Hollywood. They
they knew he wasn't a guy to be messed with. I'm laughing, it's
not funny, but that's kind of my response to just things that just blow
me away. All Right, Dave, I think we're gonna wind this up.
We're past an hour. It's gonna be my longest interview, but that's
worth every minute of it. I think I wanted to thank you very much
for being willing to come on. You're you're such an interesting guy, such
a good writer. And thank you. That's about all I can say.
You're such a great host. It's been my pleasure. But I'm horrible at
this, but anyway, it's fun to talk to you, listen to everybody.
Thanks for watching the video. I guess we'll see you guys on the
next one. Thank you.