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We'll hear from coach Lou, We'll hear from the players post game. William
Updyke from clips in dip Pod, we'll be here too. But, like
we talked about it extensively on the post game show, even during the game
in the fourth quarter, it just felt like the Clippers were in an uphill
battle. They put themselves in a tough spot, being down thirty three to
eighteen after the first quarter, given up fourteen points of Devin Booker in the
first quarter. He finished with thirty five and just torched them, and the
Clippers looked a step slow. Granted they're on a back to back that happens
obviously, Kawhi Leonard and John Wall, they did look fresh, but they
were playing limited minutes out there. And there's more to talk about with John
Wall starting the third quarter, and we'll get to that. I just thought
the Clippers didn't have a lot of pop and they couldn't make the hustle plays,
get to the fifty fifty balls and box out well enough either. They
got crushed on the boards in the first half. I believe it was thirty
to nineteen. They ended up a more respectable forty nine to forty three disparity
on the boards when all was said and done, But ultimately the Clippers couldn't
shoot from the outside tonight. They started one for twelve from three in the
first half, and the one they hit was the toughest one they took.
It was a forty footer in the first quarter for Nicholas Batum. Somehow,
some way he got it to go, just a ridiculous shot that he saw
fall. The Clippers did start to heat up more so in the second half
and ended up hitting eight more three pointers, went five of eleven in that
third quarter when they made a couple of pushes, but they weren't able to
turn the corner on Phoenix whenever they got close within thirteen. Then there was
an end one for DeAndre eight and on the other end when they had it
to within ten, it looked like Paul George was going to be going to
the line after a downhill at attack didn't get the call. Sons had numbers
going back the other way and Devin Booker got a layup to go, so
four points swing there. Phoenix was back up by twelve, then they were
back up by fourteen, and it was just that type of night for the
Clippers. I thought there were some very good performances. I mentioned John wall
him starting the third quarter, whether it was because Reggie Jackson's still dealing with
a groin injury, or it was coach lew just wanting to change a pace
because John wall Well, that downhill attack that was there in the preseason,
it's here in the regular season two. He has seventeen points, went seven
to twelve, and went two to four from three. Hit his first three
pointers as a Clipper in the regular season. Now in this ball game,
had when rattle through, had a catching two three that he made on another.
He looks fabulous in the open court with the way he can attack and
fly by defenders. That's exactly what the Clippers were hoping for and they got
it in him and he finished with four assists to zero turnovers. The other
guy, Marcus Morris, He's looked good in all three games so far,
even on this back to back, played good yesterday in Sacramento. Was ten
or fourteen with twenty two points in this one. Led the Clippers, and
when they made some of those runs, it was a lot of Marcus Morris.
When they got hot from the outside, Marcus Morris hit a couple of
them, showed off the mid range, also showed off the bunnies, showed
off the hops, had a two handed throwdown. He said his goal was
to have a couple of dunks this season, and he's got one already.
Marcus looked spry. Whatever that conditioning training regiment was that he was on this
offseason, it's worked out. He looks like a different player than how he
ended last season and certainly than how he started last season. And Kawhi Leonard
looked good in his twenty minutes overall activity wise, he only took six shots,
had eleven points, but as soon as he got into the game,
he just bullied and muscled his way to the hoop for an and one over
Cameron Johnson. But there were a couple of plays showing off the athleticism coming
off the ACL injury, where Kauai threw a lob to Paul George who wasn't
able to corral and come down with it, and Kawai came up with it.
He followed his own lob his pass, he came down with it,
eventually got a bucket out of it. A couple of hustle plays where he
got offensive rebounds where he really showed the burst getting to the basketball, and
you got superstars that liked to do those little things as well. The scrappy
place to get you back into ball games. They couldn't get over the hump.
They couldn't get into single digits. You thought if they did, they
would make that run. There were a ton of wide open threes that were
just missed shots that could have been momentum changers. Rocco missed a wide open
three top of the key, I want to say, but two missed one
a great look looks that normally go. This is a team that I think
is going to be top three and three point shooting efficiency this season. Tonight
nine to thirty two. Give the Sun some credit, but I think a
lot of this was just on the Clippers not hitting shots when they had opportunities
to get back into this ball game. And again, some sloppy turnovers,
especially in the first half where the Clippers head I want to say, yeah,
nine leading into thirteen points for the Phoenix Suns. In the first half
of this one, they finished with fifteen, leading to eighteen points for the
Suns. But that may have been the other reason that coach Lee went with
John Wall just securing the basketball to make careless passes out there, guys just
being too loose with it against a team like Phoenix, they'll make you pay.
And they were coming off a really tough loss in overtime to the Portland
Trail Lasers, so it's not a surprise that they really gave their best effort
tonight against the Clippers. Coming up, we'll have coach Lou for you.
After the Clippers lose one twelve to ninety five, we'll get to your phone
calls as well. Sean hold on for me, take a quick time out
here. Clippers lose the home opener all to two and one on the season.
Phoenix improves to two and one. Is Devin Booker gross for thirty five?
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Let's go to Sean and Inglewood before we hear from the head coach, Sean,
you're on Clippers stop without am aslin. What's up, fellow, my
friend? How are you? And Yeah, I watched into our game tonight
and I always try to be positive about my Clippers, but I got a
little gold tonight. It's just as good as Zoobox, who's been playing.
They just made him just a piece on the chessboard tonight and really didn't utilize
him. And ty Lew is so committed to small ball that he's willing to
lose a lot of games until they get maybe where he's comfortable with them.
My two favorite teams, Chicago Bulls and the Clippers, are committed to small
ball and they get their brains beat out by tall teams. And they made
this guy land out from San Diego look like an MVP. We lost the
East from San Antonio. I'm sorry, but we lost this game on the
boards. I don't care how much they lost, they missed threes, whatever,
we lost this game and the paint on the boards, and we were
playing way too much small ball. Especially land Out barely get into games last
year for San Antonio, a terrible team last year. But he looked great
tonight because we got six eight guys trying to play a seven footers. It
doesn't work. I don't like small ball. I hate it. But basically
they're so look at you tall at three and old. Because one did it
work against you Utah in the playoffs. It may have worked you you Tah
against the Plous, but they weren't playing three seven footers like some of these
teams are now. And Gobear is slow footing and he has no offense.
That's why I worked against them. Okay, it doesn't work every time.
It is not a panacea just for every situation. Look, you have to
say you have to show versatility. You have to be able to show some
some big, big lineup and you have to have a small lineup. Now
your point is taken, Sean. I appreciate the phone call. Your point
is taken strong opinion Shrean Clippers talk tonight. I get it. They lost
the home opener to Phoenix, a team they lost to in the twenty twenty
one Western Conference Finals. And yeah, Visa Zubots only played twenty one minutes.
I think they call him tinker and ty Loo for a reason. He's
trying to see what works right now. He's trying to mix and match and
they don't have I think right now with Moses Brown, a center that is
as seasoned and as reliable as you'd like for a true natural backup big Man's
Zoobots. Now, he came in late and had a dunk. But this
Clippers team is going to play small lot and they have to adjust to that,
and guys have to crash the boards and just be better in that area.
They were better in the second half, a lot better, but too
little, too late when down twenty at the half, and a Visa Zubots
has been really good. The first two games of this season. Didn't get
as many touches, didn't it featured as much, and I could see it
because people are already calling for him to play the fourth quarter yesterday against the
Sacramento Kings when they were making a comeback. Where's big Zoo. We need
that defensive anchor out there. I think Coach Lou, who will hear from
in just a moment, is still seeing what he has with these wings,
of what they are capable of against a team like the Suns. First though,
let's pause ten seconds for station identification. Here on five seventy l A
Sports. This is La Clippers Basketball A five seventy KLAC Los Angeles, seven
KYSR HD to Los Angeles and iHeart radio station. All right, let's hear
from coach Lou after the Clippers fall once twelve to ninety five here and downtown
Los Angeles to the Phoenix Suns. You guys from the game, coaches trailed
wire to wire in this game, I think goes down like what happened tonight.
I guess I'm from the start. I think we didn't mess up physicality
early on their pace which they play in play with that was to start,
you know. So you can't start games like that, especially when we want
to start with a deepenessive mindset. So to get down twelve on your home
floor, it's tough, you know. And so no excuse me. With
the back to back like you know, everybody plays back to backs, and
so we just gotta be better, you know, start games. And I
gotta do a better job too it just you know, offensively, just making
sure they understand what we want, what we're trying to do. So,
you know, and right now, like I said, Feedings a better team
than we are right now, So we'll be better. Though I know it's
still early. Obviously the love of averages probably will play out. But the
three games, you guys have made nine threes in each each game shot shooting
about thirty three percent. Are you happy with the looks you're getting? Is
that something concerning to you at all? I think a lot of times we
have shots we turned down and we should take, and then we take shots
that we shouldn't take, you know. So we just got to find that
balance, you know, the right balance. And so we've always been a
good shooting people in shooting team, and so we gotta step up and make
shots. But we gotta take good shots as well. But we're not touching
the pain getting down here, and he's hard to create open threes like we
normally get. So we gotta do a better job attacking the paint. Valley
Sports No Eagle brought this up during the game, something coach lu just touched
upon. There. We turned down good looks and took some bad looks.
They were overpassing at times, being a little bit too unselfish. You don't
often knock a team for that. You like it. Those are good habits
overall. But when the shot is there and you're in rhythm and it's within
the flow of the offense, yeah you gotta put it up. And there
were a couple of times where guys were just overpassing out there. Maybe it's
just early season pecking order stuff, guys just being a little bit too unselfish.
There's great chemistry on this team. Everybody's rooting for the guy next to
him to succeed. I think they'll figure this out. I'm not concerned about
it. This is gonna be a great three point shooting team. It was
an off night, and part of the reason was because, yeah, they
took some of the bad ones and not enough of those great open looks.
But when they did have them, they weren't knocking him down. Clippers lose
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phone number. But it wasn't just a back to back for the Clippers.
We got William updike On formerly of Lockdown Clips, now a Clips and Dip
with myself and Charles Mockler on back to back nights here from Will William We
just heard from coach lou Let's get right into it. He talked about them
not matching Phoenix's pace and physicality to start off this ball game where they were
down in a twelve old hole immediately. Did you notice the same thing where
the Clippers just didn't have the jews so the right mindset from the opening tip.
Yeah, I think that that's one hundred percent of fair. And on
the second night of a back to back, you know, you expect to
see that in the first quarter. I think that that's understandable. I guess
I was just a little dismayed to see that carry out for the following thirty
six minutes, just kind of be unable to climb out of that. And
really it was just defensively. I'll have to go back and look at the
tape, but I gotta be honest, it feels like they did not put
together consecutive stop at any point during that game. It seemed like things it
seems like we got a little momentum shift on Kauai's you know, first kind
of shift there in the second quarter. Marcus Morris really tried to make things
happen there in the third, but ultimately, yeah, we we just really
could not string together enough stops to get this game, you know, within
distance, and you know, it's it's tough because you have the minutes load
kind of issue, especially with that third quarter with Paul George Marcus Morris.
But I think starting the fourth there with the three guard lineup, complimented with
the tomb and Zoom's like that was a situation where like we're hoping to you
know, get things going offensively, but like you know, the double edged
sword of that is that it's not really a lineup engineer to rebound well or
get stopped, and that was just what we needed in this game, and
yeah, it just wasn't there for the Clippers. I think I guess the
thing that kind of just is nagging at me is some of those like some
of those possessions where Phoenix would pick up two sometimes three offensive boards and like,
not only is the defense tired, but now you know they're adding seconds
and seconds onto the clock, and it's just you know, it's just difficult.
It's it's it's the recipe to fizzle out second night of a back to
back. You know, guys standing around, standing around watching offensive rebounds happen.
You know, it's just it's not going to bolster a defense that's already
you know, a little bit of a step behind. And honestly too,
you know, I you know me personally, I don't like to get into
these things. I thought some of the officiated two on the offensive end,
but the Clippers was absolutely brutal. We saw Paul George get quavered a couple
of times and like stuff like that. You know it to me, that's
not the difference between a win and a loss, but it's certainly understandable how
something like that can take the wind out of your sales. Yeah, it
felt like I brought up when they were down by ten, Paul George was
driving to the hoop, got knocked to the floor, wasn't rewarded with free
throws, and instead Phoenix goes back on a five on four and Devin Booker
scores a layup and they're down by twelve again. It looked like they were
about to break through, get it to within single digits, and there were
a couple other frustrating calls. If you're a Clippers fans, just offensive fouls
a couple on Luke Canar. The first one was incredibly iffy, the second
one was probably well earned, and then a visa zoobots got called for one
or a moving screen however you want to put it. Yeah, there were
some frustration. You brought up some of the extra possessions by the Phoenix Suns
and all those offensive rebounds that ended up having thirteen of them, but that
one possession that really hurt the Clippers. It ended up with a Tory Craig
layup after a miss three by Devin Booker, And there was, yeah,
three different chances there for the Phoenix Suns where it felt like the Clippers are
getting stopped, but then they don't get the board, they don't box out
Tory Craig and he gets an easy layup. So a frustrating game overall,
you can understand some of it. I'm still looking for positives though, And
I thought John Wall, who started the second half of this one, he
was just a blur in the open court, like he is doing everything you
would expect from John Wall, even if he's eighty five percent of what he
was athletically. He's doing what's asked of him and just pushing the pace and
trying to get the Clippers. You know, when the Suns would play back
in the day that seven seconds are less style of offense, they'd get into
their offense quickly. It would look chaotic for the defense, but they knew
where they were going to be and so they'd catch you off balance. And
I think that's what the Clippers are trying to do by pushing the pace with
John Wall, and we saw a little bit of that and just great individual
efforts from John Watson night as well. Yeah, yeah, I mean,
look, John Wall looks great when he's charging at the basket like, he
looks incredible. He did a much better job taking care of the ball to
night. I believe zero turnovers on four assists, the three point shooting evenly,
you know that even like the attempts aren't going to be super high,
but I still he's still knocked him down in a fifty percent clip. Honestly,
you know. The only thing I can really knock on the performances,
like I'd like to see those free throws hit a little bit, a little
bit better of an efficiency. But I agree, man, when he when
he gives this team like another another sort of gear I still think they've struggled
to like put completely figure out those rotations around him, so we're maximizing Matt
and able to get guys shot like he was on the he was on the
floor with Luke. I believe it was the second quarter, and man,
Luke went so long without an attempt from three. And once again, I'm
not I'm not blaming that on John Wall by any means. I'm saying it's
just one of those things, like it seems like there's if the pieces are
there and we're seeing this new gear spinning in the right direction, but not
everything is quite caught up yet, which you know, isn't to say that
it won't. It's only game three, uh, and the second night of
a back to back, but yeah, you'd like to see some of those
things get better. But speaking of other performances, I mean, I hope,
I hope that we're given Marcus Morris's flowers. Yeah, speak to it,
because we've been back in Marcus Morris all summer long. He seems to
be a divisive player within Clipper Nation, but he's been fabulous in these first
three games, I mean, twenty two and five. And I think if
Morris is right around that five rebounds per game number, which is it's only
one more than his career average. I know it doesn't exactly knock the light
out for power forward, but if he's scoring double digits in that like fifteen
to twenty range snagging five boards, that does a lot for this Clippers team.
And he does a lot of things too where you know, when things
fall apart because his side, he can exploit some mismatches. He can create
offense in just a little bit different of a way than even saying Norm Powell.
So it was great to see him use that size and just get just
find himself a rhythm in this one. And he was only five three point
attempts, but knocking down at a forty percent clip like Marcus Morris, to
me, is moving so much better. He's looking I mean, he's just
looking head and shoulders over where he started this season last year. And I
think if this, you know, health being the main thing. If he
can you know, at least stay at this level, the Clippers are at
a really good spot. If he can actually manage to ramp up and build
on this level, I think the Clippers are looking very dangerous. Speaking of
things that you can take away from a game like this and just big picture
view, at bird's eye view of how things are going to look long term.
Kawhi Leonard, well, he didn't put up monster numbers in his twenty
minutes, had eleven points two of six shooting, but the activity level that
he is playing with, I thought it was ramped up even more so tonight
as opposed to Game one. He must have been on the hardwood three or
four times where he was either making ridiculous moves and john a foul or going
towards the basket, was reckless, abandoned. It just looked like Kauai was
an attack mode immediately once again, but even more so to the nth degree
tonight. In this game. Oh absolutely, And I think you know,
you look at his free throw attempts and I'll speak to that aggressive this He
took seven shots at the line, hit one hundred percent of them. I
mean, it's interesting because he looks pretty darn ready to go right despite you
know, like we're you know, hearing he definitely has the minutes restriction restriction
in that like twenty one to twenty two kind of minutes range from what we're
seeing, But he looks pretty darn ready to go. I guess I'm just
at the point now where I'm excited to see, like when he's fully integrated
in the lineup. I think that it could come in around the ten game
mark. But we'll see, because I gotta be honest, man, I
think he looks pretty ready. It doesn't look like there's much holding him back
to my eye. Yeah, and he talked about it a little bit postgame
after Game one, strengthening the ACL. He's taken the doctor's advice with that.
You don't want to do too much too soon. You gotta ramp up.
Even though he is somebody who goes zero to one hundred really quick when
he's out there on the court, he's still not coming in until the midway
pointed the second quarters. It's almost bizarre to see. But as soon as
he gets into the game, he goes right into action. He went right
at Cameron Johnson speeding down the court and got that in one opportunity, So
that was good. But who else As we moved to this road trip coming
up in Okay, See it's a two game mini series Tuesday and Thursday.
Will who would you like to see maybe get their minutes ramped up just a
little bit, because you see, you know, a mere coffee has only
had a couple of minutes here and there. Even Terrence Man tonight under ten
minutes in this one. Who do you think starts to get a little bit
more play out there? And we lost will eight six six ninety eight seven
two five seventy is the phone number. It's all right, Katie, we
got a break. Anyways, we'll take a quick time out here. As
William Updyke dropped from Clips and Dip, we went back to him for the
second night. Didn't work out as well. You can check out that podcast
also on the Eclipse and Dip pod on Spotify or iTunes. You're listening to
Clippers Talk after they lose once twelve to ninety five and the home opener to
the Phoenix Suns here in downtown Los Angeles, coming back more of your phone
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is fains the three on the home of your LA Clippers. Climbers take their
first loss of this young season. They lose the home openers and the Phoenix
Suns one twelve to ninety five is Devin Booker has thirty five. The Clippers
shoot just forty three percent from the field, nine of thirty two from the
outside was worse than that. In the first half, they were one up
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against the Thunder on Tuesday. Tip time for that one's at five. WELLO,
your pregame show starting right back here at four pm. Let's go to
Greg in La. Greg, you're on Clippers stock without am Auslin. What's
up? What's up Sta? What's up? Greg? Hey? Man,
I was at the game. I had those good seas, bro. I
enjoyed the game. I didn't enjoy the outcome. But listen, man,
my take on the game was the slow start, you know, digging that
hole early and then trying to come back. I didn't like to starting line
up, but I understand. You know, they gonna try to give Kauai
and wall Work come in slowly if we gonna keep going with that starting line
up, though, Man, I'll tell you what Norman Powell have to be
more aggressive, man, he has to look for a shot more. I'd
like to see Zoo back on the floor a little bit more. I think
tonight we got out rebounded because we didn't have no size on the floor.
We kept having a Zoubok on the bench and going with all those queen players,
man, and we didn't have no answer for the back up center for
the Suns. He was just dominating us on the glass as well as aiding.
And it just seemed like to me like the Clippers kept getting confused on
the switches. Man. If somebody was always opened in the corner for Phoenix
for three and then in the first quarter, they shouldn't miss a basket at
him. They would hitting everything they threw up. Everything was going in.
Man. I said that that lead, it was just too hard for us
to come back. I kept thinking in the second half and we would cut
it down to like thirteen, fourteen, fifteen. I said, maybe we'll
make a run and get it down below ten. But it just didn't happen.
Man. But it's only game three, so I'm not panicking. Man.
I still think once we get the rotation to the way we want them,
that the Clippers are still gonna be a team to reckon with Matt greg
fabulous phone call to close things out tonight. You brought up someone in Norman
Powell who I was watching tonight. He was my player to watch and he
was more aggressive and more efficient. Four of nine, had eight points,
went to the basket, was driving, was attacking. Gave them more of
what they need from him. But there was also something interesting to start that
third quarter. John Wall got the start, Norman Powell was out there for
about a minute, and then Coach Slew went to Marcus Morris because Kawhi started
the third quarter. Also, I think he wanted more sides there with Marcus
Morris to help out with the rebounding. But yeah, there's a lot of
different line of rotations going on right now, and they're sorting through what they
have. And then you also have to find the right guy at the right
time and push the right button at the right time, which coach Lew does.
We've seen it so many times down multiple games of the Dallas Mavericks and
the Utah Jazz a couple of seasons ago in the playoffs, he has the
chiropractors. Noah Eagle calls him. He makes the adjustments. Not concerned,
And we also talked about this a team like the Phoenix Suns with the loss
they had where DeAndre Aiden missed a big free throw light against Portland as he
got psyched out by Damian Lillard the other night in overtime. They were waiting
for the Clippers. They had the day off. They ambushed him in that
first quarter. And when a guy like Devin Booker gets hot, is one
shot hot, that's all he needs. He sees one go through and he's
locked in. He had that fourteen point first quarter and it didn't matter when
there was good defense after he started to get a few to go for him,
put a hand in his face. He's see him right through it.
It's transparent, and he was putting him in from everywhere. And he's a
great player. He finished with thirty five. Clippers lose one twelve to ninety
five in their home opener here in downtown Los Angeles. They'll get back after
it on the road. They're in Okac for two on Tuesday and Thursday.
Tip time Tuesdays at five pm, we'll have Clippers count Down your pregame show
starting at four pm before we get out of here. I do want to
thank the Clippers organization, Noah Eagle, Brian Stemen, Ralph Lawler, big
brother, Jake Warner, head engineer here in DTLA, Katie Newton back in
the bank, the listeners, the callers, and William Updyke for coming on
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