WEBVTT 1 00:00:34.840 --> 00:00:39.399 Are you done with your movies? No, I'm not yet. Hey everyone, 2 00:00:39.399 --> 00:00:46.240 welcome to game Spot after Dark, the podcast where two men sit in 3 00:00:46.240 --> 00:00:49.920 a room stare at each other directly or any other directly. I'm John Nagsipke, 4 00:00:50.119 --> 00:00:53.479 I'm Curtain Divina. Hi, Hello, and we're looking into each other's 5 00:00:53.520 --> 00:01:02.079 eyes as we sip on a cold crisp beer. Fine, finally, aged, 6 00:01:03.439 --> 00:01:08.159 are these expired? Probably? I mean yeah, yeah, as of 7 00:01:08.239 --> 00:01:15.879 January? Fuck it? Can you even tell? Of course? Not drinking 8 00:01:15.920 --> 00:01:22.959 bubbly bubbly yellow water. I don't like whoa o gay, which can be 9 00:01:23.000 --> 00:01:27.840 a lot of different things. Sure can welcome anyways, it's just us. 10 00:01:27.680 --> 00:01:30.359 It's just you know what, I think it's I think this is something that 11 00:01:30.400 --> 00:01:34.519 I've actually wanted for a while. I'm a big I'm a big fan of 12 00:01:36.239 --> 00:01:41.040 small form content in general, media in general, not like a very small 13 00:01:41.120 --> 00:01:42.799 form not I don't want to go I don't want to offend anyone. I 14 00:01:42.840 --> 00:01:46.319 don't watch your TikTok. But you know, like it's just you know, 15 00:01:46.359 --> 00:01:49.319 intimate, I guess is maybe the word for it. Sure, I've been 16 00:01:49.319 --> 00:01:53.959 looking forward to doing a two person podcast well as long as I've heard about 17 00:01:53.959 --> 00:01:56.519 the concept. Of a podcast. Yeah. I don't partake in often, 18 00:01:56.560 --> 00:01:57.760 but here I am. Well, here we go. Although I know your 19 00:01:57.840 --> 00:02:00.920 version of that would be like no longer than fifteen minutes. We do got 20 00:02:00.920 --> 00:02:02.840 to go at least a little bit er. I know, that's fine. 21 00:02:04.000 --> 00:02:08.000 I have a dream of of I wanted to launch a podcast to coincide with 22 00:02:08.080 --> 00:02:14.120 the Game Spots show The Kurt Locker, which I was the host of my 23 00:02:14.199 --> 00:02:15.439 name Kurt, but I wanted to have like if that, if that took 24 00:02:15.479 --> 00:02:17.560 off and we did well, and like you know, we were going to 25 00:02:17.599 --> 00:02:22.639 do an audio kind of uh like sister thing of it, I wanted to 26 00:02:22.719 --> 00:02:25.120 do getting Kurt with Kurt. Well, there you go, Getting Kurt with 27 00:02:25.159 --> 00:02:28.960 Kurt, and this is the one off Kurt with Kurt episode. I was 28 00:02:29.120 --> 00:02:30.000 just gonna be the name of the episode. Yeah, Kurt with Kurt. 29 00:02:30.080 --> 00:02:32.240 Yeah, so here we are. We get the sit and we get the 30 00:02:32.280 --> 00:02:37.120 bee as Kurt as we want to be with each other. We can both 31 00:02:37.159 --> 00:02:39.879 be Kurt, all right. You know you could choose to be Kurt with 32 00:02:39.879 --> 00:02:46.280 a K. I mean the title makes it Kurt with the K versus Kurt. 33 00:02:46.319 --> 00:02:47.400 I mean, Kurt with the K would be my name. But Kurt 34 00:02:47.439 --> 00:02:51.080 with the C is the actual word, right, but like what But but 35 00:02:51.120 --> 00:02:55.439 if I'm being Kurt with a K like as an adjective, the formalities, 36 00:02:55.479 --> 00:02:59.439 it's just it's the what makes it like, what makes it different? Yeah, 37 00:02:59.439 --> 00:03:02.080 what makes it differ from being a sea Kurt. I feel like getting 38 00:03:02.120 --> 00:03:07.319 Kurt with somebody is usually like, can be very serious. Yeah, you're 39 00:03:07.360 --> 00:03:09.599 like, no, we need to talk about. Yeah, I'm gonna get 40 00:03:09.680 --> 00:03:15.439 very curt with you about something you need to stop farting, or at least 41 00:03:15.439 --> 00:03:17.240 when you when you are got to do it, announce it, look me 42 00:03:17.240 --> 00:03:20.280 in the eyes and tell me, all right, I will so that I 43 00:03:20.280 --> 00:03:23.639 don't know that would you know? But I guess Kurt with a K is 44 00:03:23.680 --> 00:03:30.960 a little bit more like, Hey, you should fart more, and you 45 00:03:30.960 --> 00:03:34.039 should tell me when it happens, and we'll high five and part together. 46 00:03:35.439 --> 00:03:38.199 Hell yeah, welcome to getting Kurt with Kurt. Lovely speaking of things that 47 00:03:38.240 --> 00:03:42.759 get Kurt about. Yeah, we can keep this formal as the usual, 48 00:03:42.840 --> 00:03:46.599 as the usual episodes dive right into it. We could talk yeah, yeah, 49 00:03:46.039 --> 00:03:49.520 but there is there is a thing that I have not really got to 50 00:03:49.560 --> 00:03:52.280 hear you talk about. Sure, only briefly today and I want to hear 51 00:03:52.280 --> 00:03:55.719 a lot more about it, and that is a little game about a speedy 52 00:03:57.599 --> 00:04:08.520 blue hedgehog. Sonic Superstars. It's the first co op sonic game, but 53 00:04:08.560 --> 00:04:11.159 that's not true. But it's not the first co op sonic game there I 54 00:04:11.159 --> 00:04:15.080 think. But it's like it's built around four player co op and that's supposed 55 00:04:15.080 --> 00:04:16.720 to be like a new thing for the series. And the menu screen when 56 00:04:16.759 --> 00:04:21.079 you like get the star button is does it say, like does a voice 57 00:04:21.160 --> 00:04:30.040 be like Sonic Superstars. It only happened to the days of like crazy Taxie, 58 00:04:30.160 --> 00:04:31.759 you know, like yeah, I mean even Risen Evil doesn't do it. 59 00:04:32.399 --> 00:04:35.879 Yeah, which is like a real bummer. Yeah, like come on 60 00:04:36.120 --> 00:04:41.879 crazy Taxy wooll you know yeah that No, that's my that's my old man. 61 00:04:42.000 --> 00:04:45.759 Soapbox is like bring back a person just yelling the name of the game 62 00:04:45.800 --> 00:04:49.680 you're about to experience. Yeah, enough of the the low poly depression. 63 00:04:50.240 --> 00:04:55.680 Give us the give us the screaming menu screens. Uh, give us. 64 00:04:56.000 --> 00:05:00.240 I just miss Like it's really hard to find a game these days is to 65 00:05:00.279 --> 00:05:03.680 have a menu screen like a UI that is like like who that is cohesive 66 00:05:03.720 --> 00:05:06.720 to the concept of the game itself. Oh yeah, I I love. 67 00:05:09.000 --> 00:05:11.839 I have a great love for for like a menu screen or like a late 68 00:05:11.879 --> 00:05:15.759 title card or just something that like gets you in the the mood where you're 69 00:05:15.800 --> 00:05:17.319 just like, I think, my favorite. It's not a good game I 70 00:05:17.319 --> 00:05:25.360 have ever played X Men Origins Wolverine. Is that that's not the I was 71 00:05:25.360 --> 00:05:27.519 thinking. I was thinking about the Quake clone for a second. No, 72 00:05:27.519 --> 00:05:30.240 you're talking. Is that like the GameCube era? No, it wasn't. 73 00:05:30.399 --> 00:05:31.639 It was in game Cube. It was like three sixty era. I want 74 00:05:31.639 --> 00:05:35.360 to say, Okay, so it was a license game for the X Men 75 00:05:35.399 --> 00:05:41.800 Origins Wolverine movie, which is terrible. It's a bad movie. But because 76 00:05:41.800 --> 00:05:44.240 the title screen doesn't scream at you. If the title screen doesn't scream at 77 00:05:44.240 --> 00:05:48.839 you, But the the the reason the game is noteworthy is because it was 78 00:05:49.120 --> 00:05:54.439 m and like wolver would like just like people in half and you're like, 79 00:05:54.680 --> 00:05:57.160 oh my god, they're doing the thing. We're like, you know, 80 00:05:57.319 --> 00:06:00.920 it's like a odds. It's violent and like a team You're like, this 81 00:06:00.959 --> 00:06:03.800 is the greatest thing ever. Off it was actually like pretty decent, uh 82 00:06:03.879 --> 00:06:08.680 Like it had like a decent combat system. And then eventually like the second 83 00:06:08.680 --> 00:06:13.199 half of that game is terrible. But I will always remember the opening of 84 00:06:13.240 --> 00:06:19.240 that game where like you you're like in a helicopter and like the helicopter blows 85 00:06:19.319 --> 00:06:21.720 up, and then you're like falling to the ground and you're playing this where 86 00:06:21.720 --> 00:06:25.160 you're like falling to the ground, and then it's like, wow, it's 87 00:06:25.199 --> 00:06:29.000 like they played one game and then and then you're and then you're like getting 88 00:06:29.000 --> 00:06:31.360 closer and closer and closer, and then there's like this one guy who's like 89 00:06:31.399 --> 00:06:34.439 on the ground and you're like going right for him, and then you get 90 00:06:34.480 --> 00:06:38.319 to him and you pull out the clause and it goes in a slow motion 91 00:06:38.959 --> 00:06:43.199 and the title screen pops right there, ins X Men, origins wolver You 92 00:06:43.199 --> 00:06:46.160 see the pay you know, and then it hard cuts to you slamming and 93 00:06:46.199 --> 00:06:49.720 a just a fountain of blood, just explosion, And I'm like, fucking 94 00:06:49.839 --> 00:06:55.199 video games man, Like, did you play Gungngrave Gore No? Because I've 95 00:06:55.399 --> 00:06:57.959 never shut up about that game? Yeah, does that one yell at you? 96 00:06:59.000 --> 00:07:01.879 Uh No? But at the at the start of every single level, 97 00:07:02.000 --> 00:07:06.120 it says kick their ass. Like it doesn't like verbally say it, but 98 00:07:06.199 --> 00:07:10.720 these huge texts just comes up. It just says kick their ass. But 99 00:07:10.879 --> 00:07:16.040 the opening CUTSCENEO that fucking game involves a giant casket flying from the sky and 100 00:07:16.120 --> 00:07:19.560 like smashing into a dude, like a gang of like dudes with like like 101 00:07:19.920 --> 00:07:25.079 liberty spikes and mohawks and exploding in balloons of blood. Uh. And then 102 00:07:25.120 --> 00:07:28.360 he like leaps out of his casket in slow motion and like as he's like 103 00:07:28.680 --> 00:07:33.360 flying over like above this like bad dude, like bad Dude number four, 104 00:07:33.680 --> 00:07:39.120 he cracks his head like he like like he rotates his head one eighty degrees 105 00:07:39.120 --> 00:07:41.480 and like breaks it. Oh my gosh, but like that to me, 106 00:07:41.560 --> 00:07:44.560 I mean a lot of people name that like point that game is like a 107 00:07:44.600 --> 00:07:48.639 throwback to three sixty era sure like style of like combat and violence. So 108 00:07:48.720 --> 00:07:51.040 like hearing that was, like, dude, that is like the opening gun 109 00:07:51.120 --> 00:07:56.079 Grave gorl. Yeah exactly. Yes, So games that just are just like 110 00:07:56.079 --> 00:07:59.240 in your face from the beginning, you know, which is not sound like 111 00:07:59.279 --> 00:08:01.480 Super Start, not Sonic Superstars Nose. Okay, Yes, anyway we were 112 00:08:01.480 --> 00:08:05.639 talking about I feel like you were about to say something though. Oh I 113 00:08:05.759 --> 00:08:09.519 was going to say because I was thinking about like what the modern version of 114 00:08:09.639 --> 00:08:11.519 like the game like yelling your objective, and I was gonna say like, 115 00:08:11.759 --> 00:08:15.959 uh, because obviously we're I have Alan Wake on the brain because I'm very 116 00:08:15.959 --> 00:08:22.000 excited and like they're they're like big text title card that's the classy like refine 117 00:08:22.720 --> 00:08:26.639 your face version of that. But like imagine if like yeah, they just 118 00:08:26.680 --> 00:08:30.160 have to imagine if you booted up Alan Wake too, and right when you 119 00:08:30.199 --> 00:08:33.759 start the start of the game you hear a voice that's like Ellen Wa to 120 00:08:33.399 --> 00:08:35.919 I would be like, oh my god, this is it, but Sam 121 00:08:37.000 --> 00:08:43.120 Lake's voice doing it. Uh, So it would be like Wake, there 122 00:08:43.200 --> 00:08:48.200 is a really really song there. I think Devil may Cry does this where 123 00:08:48.279 --> 00:08:52.399 I think like four did it where like the characters would say Devil may Cry, 124 00:08:52.559 --> 00:08:56.639 but it would randomize which character would do it, So like I would 125 00:08:56.720 --> 00:09:00.240 want to be like I want to hear like a an Alan Wake version of 126 00:09:00.519 --> 00:09:03.919 Allen Wake two and by every character Yeah, and then like yeah, you 127 00:09:03.960 --> 00:09:09.600 need you need a a what's his name Alex Casey version like uh yeah, 128 00:09:09.720 --> 00:09:13.200 saga and then yeah, like I just need every character to get their own 129 00:09:13.720 --> 00:09:16.320 there's there. This is like the this is the level of detail that has 130 00:09:16.360 --> 00:09:22.279 gotten lost as games get more expensive. Yeah, this games development goes on 131 00:09:22.720 --> 00:09:26.840 longer and longer and longer, and games get better looking, there's like this 132 00:09:26.840 --> 00:09:30.200 this this thing that probably seems trivial to other people, right yeah, but 133 00:09:30.480 --> 00:09:33.720 like to me, it's like it's that extra it's the extra sprinkle of a 134 00:09:33.799 --> 00:09:37.200 personality, of an identity that like you know, but who knows. These 135 00:09:37.200 --> 00:09:39.960 things probably happened like very late in development. They're probably packed into the game 136 00:09:41.039 --> 00:09:43.279 up. The game was probably already ready to be shipp they didn't have to 137 00:09:43.320 --> 00:09:45.600 do day one patches, and they just like, well, yeah, I 138 00:09:45.600 --> 00:09:48.000 think like I remember someone kind of pointed it out where it's like back in 139 00:09:48.039 --> 00:09:52.559 the day, just because of like the flexibility of like how much more simple 140 00:09:52.559 --> 00:09:54.879 game development was. It was like you could just be like I'm gonna make 141 00:09:54.919 --> 00:09:56.759 a thing and and you could put it in the game and where like now 142 00:09:56.799 --> 00:10:01.000 it's like affects six different Yeah, like you can't just do teams of one 143 00:10:01.039 --> 00:10:05.279 hundred people each, you know. Yeah, Like even if you decide to 144 00:10:05.279 --> 00:10:07.639 go out of your way and just make a thing, like now you've given 145 00:10:07.720 --> 00:10:09.639 all these other people like so much work. So it's like it's it's almost 146 00:10:09.679 --> 00:10:13.480 like unfair to to just make a thing. Hold on, but but but 147 00:10:13.519 --> 00:10:16.519 it's getting a guy in a in a you know, in a sound booth 148 00:10:16.559 --> 00:10:20.519 and just be like, okay, now just say Ellen wake too, and 149 00:10:20.559 --> 00:10:24.320 like just putting that in. Okay, I agree, Like that's probably breaks 150 00:10:24.360 --> 00:10:28.960 everything. Yeah, like you do that, and then the programmer like, 151 00:10:28.000 --> 00:10:33.759 since you're just like the angriest email. I had the five hundred more lines 152 00:10:33.879 --> 00:10:39.600 like I missed my daughter's birthday, I missed my own bar Met's fun, 153 00:10:39.720 --> 00:10:46.600 my own thirteen years old coading me out, and I had to put some 154 00:10:46.679 --> 00:10:58.960 guy saying sad super in the then you screen you know, so solid superstars. 155 00:11:00.200 --> 00:11:01.200 Yeah, but you know, do you really want to talk about that 156 00:11:01.200 --> 00:11:09.360 game? Kind of kind is the day of this episode, the barges out, 157 00:11:09.919 --> 00:11:13.879 we don't have a review up yet. I should be up next week. 158 00:11:13.159 --> 00:11:22.679 Apparently it's I don't think it's very good unfortunately. I mean it's like 159 00:11:24.000 --> 00:11:26.639 it's really easy to come in and be like like folk Sonic, Like I 160 00:11:26.639 --> 00:11:31.279 don't want to rip on Sonic necessarily because like people love a Sonic and and 161 00:11:31.279 --> 00:11:33.879 and I genuinely love Sonic Mania. I think that's the one Sonic game I 162 00:11:33.879 --> 00:11:39.399 can say like I unequivocally love. Yeah, there's like I kind of like 163 00:11:39.399 --> 00:11:43.519 in hindsight. You know, this is like the problem with a I I 164 00:11:43.559 --> 00:11:46.879 tend to not have I tend to have very reserved opinions about anything until it's 165 00:11:46.879 --> 00:11:48.799 in my hands, you know. Like I'm not a person who gets excited 166 00:11:48.799 --> 00:11:54.480 over stuff. I'm also not a sonic person. Sure, but I actually, 167 00:11:54.519 --> 00:11:56.320 I actually do want to play Sonic Frontiers. I just oh, the 168 00:11:56.519 --> 00:12:03.279 the three D the one came out last year, the dust rainding Tustlemania. 169 00:12:03.440 --> 00:12:05.519 I actually do you want to play that game? I've had people turn to 170 00:12:05.519 --> 00:12:11.360 me be like, Kurt, you like Esoteric Ship, you should play Sonic 171 00:12:11.399 --> 00:12:16.360 Frontiers? Do you like? Uh? Like anime? Butt rock? Is 172 00:12:16.799 --> 00:12:20.000 that the actual what the genre is called? But rock? Yeah? That 173 00:12:20.080 --> 00:12:24.159 is that is the name? Is that just kind of like the equivalent of 174 00:12:24.240 --> 00:12:28.000 like the opening and end credits? Well, no, the open would have 175 00:12:28.039 --> 00:12:33.159 to be open credit of an anime because the end credit E like describe but 176 00:12:33.360 --> 00:12:37.720 rock. I like a lot of different kinds of gosh, like, how 177 00:12:37.720 --> 00:12:46.399 would I but rock said? Rock music? Depending so like imagine, I 178 00:12:46.440 --> 00:12:48.559 mean you've heard some of the like the classic Sonics, like you know, 179 00:12:48.080 --> 00:12:52.200 the City and stuff like that, but like a little more like emo, 180 00:12:52.320 --> 00:12:56.759 E like kind of well, I know that that band like did a bunch 181 00:12:56.840 --> 00:13:01.559 of songs for Sony Frontiers, A different band, a different band, not 182 00:13:01.639 --> 00:13:05.840 the original Sonic band. No, but it's like no, yeah, they 183 00:13:05.879 --> 00:13:09.039 do all the like the Boss themes, and it's one of those like and 184 00:13:09.200 --> 00:13:13.320 ironically, I'm like really into the Boss theme okay in Sonic Frontiers. So 185 00:13:13.440 --> 00:13:16.679 if I like butt rock, while I like, yeah, okay, that's 186 00:13:16.720 --> 00:13:18.679 that's what I feel like. This is just going back to I was talking 187 00:13:18.679 --> 00:13:24.759 about parts getting Kurt with Kurt where we talked about butt rock, butt rock. 188 00:13:24.600 --> 00:13:28.559 But I want butt butt rock. I wanted to I want to play 189 00:13:28.600 --> 00:13:31.799 Sonic Frontiers. And I just remember people, you know, everyone has something 190 00:13:31.799 --> 00:13:35.639 to say about Sonic no matter what. Sure, it's a realm of the 191 00:13:35.759 --> 00:13:39.720 universe in which I don't entirely grasp or understand. I'm not it's not even 192 00:13:39.799 --> 00:13:43.519 a judgment. I just can't even begin to unwrap it. Yeah, but 193 00:13:43.159 --> 00:13:48.120 when I saw like the reveal for Sonic Superstars, I very ignorantly was like, 194 00:13:48.840 --> 00:13:52.679 man, people had were like so up in arms about what Frontiers look 195 00:13:52.799 --> 00:13:56.919 like. This looks like the game they should have always always came out with, 196 00:13:58.000 --> 00:14:01.320 always announced. And now I think that's what they're going for, is 197 00:14:01.360 --> 00:14:03.960 I think they realize like after how well Mania went that they were like, 198 00:14:05.759 --> 00:14:11.840 they're kind of rotating between like we'll have like a classic style like retro inspired 199 00:14:11.879 --> 00:14:16.840 Sonic two D, and then we'll have like the more kind of like Sonic 200 00:14:16.919 --> 00:14:18.879 Team, Sonic Force is kind of like Big three D one, right, 201 00:14:18.919 --> 00:14:22.679 And so they're kind of they're they're developing a pattern where they rotate, which 202 00:14:22.679 --> 00:14:24.799 I think is a good idea, right, because it's like totally you know, 203 00:14:24.840 --> 00:14:28.600 if you're not into Frontiers but you love classic Sonic, like maybe like 204 00:14:28.679 --> 00:14:33.120 super Stars, Yeah there's two there's like Sonic has you know, it's it's 205 00:14:33.159 --> 00:14:35.000 the same thing with Mario. There's like this there's a whole separate two D 206 00:14:35.399 --> 00:14:39.559 games and that are that exists, and then there's a three and you get 207 00:14:39.639 --> 00:14:41.639 you get a wonder Yeah, you get can't wait for one time? Well, 208 00:14:41.679 --> 00:14:46.399 you get you get your two D Sonics, your Sonic Mania, which 209 00:14:46.440 --> 00:14:48.240 is a throwback if it's nostalgic and nadyada. But then you still get the 210 00:14:48.679 --> 00:14:52.720 newer crowd of general people who grew up on the you know, post Sonic 211 00:14:52.799 --> 00:14:56.320 Adventure three D era. I get it. Yeah, So I do think 212 00:14:56.320 --> 00:14:58.919 there's gonna be people who are into the two D Sonic who will probably like 213 00:15:00.480 --> 00:15:03.200 Superstars, and I hope they do if they alone, if they played alone. 214 00:15:03.639 --> 00:15:05.919 So that's kind of the thing is. I was like, the game's 215 00:15:05.960 --> 00:15:11.639 co op, it's the big feature, and I said, Georgia, get 216 00:15:11.679 --> 00:15:15.480 in here, get in here, grab a controler. We're playing, get 217 00:15:15.759 --> 00:15:18.879 it, put that butt rock down next to me, and let's get going. 218 00:15:20.480 --> 00:15:28.039 The co op is just a fucking visual mess. Okay, like you're 219 00:15:28.080 --> 00:15:31.559 doing two players, doing two players. I can't even players, so it's 220 00:15:31.639 --> 00:15:37.039 like stream it the imagine. Have you ever played the Mario games like with 221 00:15:37.159 --> 00:15:41.360 co op, like the like the Yeah, dude, you know, I 222 00:15:41.399 --> 00:15:46.799 was working at I was Q eight and Nintendo a decade ago working on multiplayer 223 00:15:48.000 --> 00:15:50.080 like Super Luigiu and three D World, So I had to I had to 224 00:15:50.399 --> 00:15:54.279 go through the ringer on those. My feelings on those is I think they're 225 00:15:54.320 --> 00:15:58.759 still at their best played single player and co op is is fun, but 226 00:15:58.919 --> 00:16:00.360 like you're kind of making a session that things are going to be like a 227 00:16:00.360 --> 00:16:04.519 little bit messy. Feel there's a point in time which if you're gonna be 228 00:16:04.519 --> 00:16:07.320 playing the game with more than two people. You really are playing it as 229 00:16:07.360 --> 00:16:11.639 like a party game. Yes, so imagine that was Sonic, but it's 230 00:16:11.720 --> 00:16:15.720 the speed of Sonic. So everything's moving so fast that like it's just like 231 00:16:15.759 --> 00:16:25.200 you don't even know what is happening. So basically, every time one character 232 00:16:25.240 --> 00:16:29.080 gets slightly ahead of the other character, the camera will just be like, 233 00:16:29.399 --> 00:16:30.720 all right, now we're following that character, and that other character they're just 234 00:16:30.720 --> 00:16:37.559 gone like and and it's also not consistent, like I feel like some games 235 00:16:37.559 --> 00:16:40.639 will be like we'll always prioritize player one maybe, right. And it's like, 236 00:16:40.799 --> 00:16:41.759 you know, because because this is a one shared screen, it's not 237 00:16:41.759 --> 00:16:47.159 split screen, it's one share because Sonic two is wasn't that split screen that 238 00:16:47.240 --> 00:16:49.919 was split screen, but this one is one shared screen. And also it's 239 00:16:49.960 --> 00:16:53.440 like the camera's really tight on some levels in a way that I'm still like, 240 00:16:53.840 --> 00:16:56.360 how have you guys, Like I feel like that's been a problem since 241 00:16:56.399 --> 00:16:59.559 like, oh g Sonic, Like just move the camera out just like a 242 00:16:59.600 --> 00:17:02.480 little bit more. Yeah, And there's some levels that are a little bit 243 00:17:02.480 --> 00:17:03.519 further back, and I'm like, this is a lot better. Why aren't 244 00:17:03.519 --> 00:17:10.119 all the levels like this? But uh, you instead of like having it 245 00:17:10.119 --> 00:17:12.519 being like, well, we always know it'll follow me player one, it 246 00:17:12.680 --> 00:17:17.119 just kind of seems to pick up random who it follows, like like we 247 00:17:17.079 --> 00:17:18.640 we. I literally couldn't figure it out because at first I was like, 248 00:17:18.880 --> 00:17:22.359 well, maybe it's like whoever kind of moves forward, it'll follow them. 249 00:17:22.359 --> 00:17:26.119 But sometimes it would I would run forward and then it would just stay on 250 00:17:26.200 --> 00:17:30.200 like Georgia, and then your character just disappears and then you have to just 251 00:17:30.279 --> 00:17:34.400 hit X to uh just pop back in. So they make it very like 252 00:17:34.519 --> 00:17:37.799 simple to pop back in. It's not like Mario work like a bubble because 253 00:17:37.799 --> 00:17:44.200 I think they realize like it happens so often, and I mean like literally 254 00:17:44.279 --> 00:17:45.920 every like three seconds. That happens because you're because it's sonic, because you're 255 00:17:45.920 --> 00:17:49.519 just moving so fast that you're just you're just constantly like, oh man, 256 00:17:49.559 --> 00:17:53.079 I'm gone, click, I'm back in and I'm gone again, click and 257 00:17:53.200 --> 00:17:59.039 I back in click like that's the game, you know. And and also 258 00:17:59.119 --> 00:18:03.559 because it's so it has multiple pathways right, like it's like a sprawling level 259 00:18:03.559 --> 00:18:06.559 where it's like up and down, are you gonna go? Left and right? 260 00:18:06.640 --> 00:18:10.880 Like like there's variety where you go, and so you'll have situations where 261 00:18:10.920 --> 00:18:11.920 it's like, well, I made the jump and I'm up here, and 262 00:18:11.920 --> 00:18:15.200 then George's like I didn't make the jump, so I'm down here, and 263 00:18:15.519 --> 00:18:18.359 the game's like uh and it just kind of like will pick one of you? 264 00:18:18.400 --> 00:18:19.799 And you're like, I guess we're going that way because the game decided 265 00:18:19.839 --> 00:18:26.279 you're the one it's gonna follow, and so you have you constantly feel like 266 00:18:26.319 --> 00:18:32.119 you don't have any control over what's happening because the game is like bopping back 267 00:18:32.119 --> 00:18:38.480 and forth between who it's prioritizing, Like it's very disorienting. Wow, okay, 268 00:18:38.680 --> 00:18:42.079 makes me want to play it. Yeah, it's it's a mess to 269 00:18:42.240 --> 00:18:47.319 be fair. In that hour, like Georgia hated it. She was like, 270 00:18:47.400 --> 00:18:49.319 well, I hate this. This is awful. This is the worst 271 00:18:49.319 --> 00:18:52.920 thing ever. I did have a lot of fun, just like kind of 272 00:18:52.000 --> 00:18:56.160 ragging on it with her, like in sort of like that like bad movie 273 00:18:56.359 --> 00:18:59.400 kind of way, which we'll get, you know, we got some movies 274 00:18:59.400 --> 00:19:06.279 though about later. But I can't sit there and be like this is well 275 00:19:06.319 --> 00:19:11.839 designed or fun really like it's just it's just such a mess. And now 276 00:19:11.960 --> 00:19:15.279 you did youbviously none of that will happen if you play a single player, 277 00:19:15.279 --> 00:19:18.880 but that I was gonna ask, like you only really played it. I 278 00:19:18.920 --> 00:19:23.440 have played a couple single player levels, because as you go through there will 279 00:19:23.480 --> 00:19:26.960 be there's like you know, each area has like an act one in an 280 00:19:26.000 --> 00:19:30.359 Act too, it's like Sonic, we'll also have like other acts that like 281 00:19:30.960 --> 00:19:32.839 at one point we beat an act and it said, hey, do you 282 00:19:32.839 --> 00:19:34.240 want to pick Act too or do you want to pick Axonic? And we're 283 00:19:34.240 --> 00:19:37.319 like, I don't know what that is. I'll pick Axonic. And then 284 00:19:37.359 --> 00:19:42.920 it dropped me into a single player mission that I was just doing, and 285 00:19:44.000 --> 00:19:47.319 so George is like, I guess I'm just not playing anymore, and I 286 00:19:47.359 --> 00:19:49.680 was like, I guess I'm playing solo. Did that level and then it 287 00:19:49.680 --> 00:19:52.960 went back to the next level and now she's back in the game. Like 288 00:19:52.039 --> 00:19:57.759 so the game like that stuff's weird where it's like, okay, like we're 289 00:19:57.799 --> 00:20:02.720 playing co op, so should everything be available co op or like you you 290 00:20:02.759 --> 00:20:07.720 shouldn't because because it doesn't make it clear that like picking the Sonic level was 291 00:20:07.759 --> 00:20:11.519 going to like take the pick out the other player. So she's just sitting 292 00:20:11.519 --> 00:20:14.680 there like I guess I'm not playing anymore, and she was like thank god, 293 00:20:15.680 --> 00:20:19.200 Okay, and you know, for you, this is like you played 294 00:20:19.200 --> 00:20:25.000 a multiplayer because that's the big selling point, Like that's the thing, Like 295 00:20:25.039 --> 00:20:26.680 that's the thing the game is sold on. So I'm like, well, 296 00:20:26.680 --> 00:20:30.720 of course I'm gonna play it that way because that feels like how the game 297 00:20:30.839 --> 00:20:36.559 is being marketed. One of the big new features. The other big new 298 00:20:36.599 --> 00:20:38.000 feature is that every time you get a chaosum world, you'll unlock like a 299 00:20:38.039 --> 00:20:42.039 power you have like a little wheel you can like rotate the right stick to 300 00:20:42.039 --> 00:20:47.799 pick a power. I think that stuff feels super like unnecessary and superfluous, 301 00:20:47.839 --> 00:20:52.160 like because of the way you're moving in Sonic constantly, I kind of just 302 00:20:52.160 --> 00:20:55.880 forget I even have them cool, So I just like every once in a 303 00:20:55.920 --> 00:20:57.319 while, I'm like, oh, right, I have a power. I 304 00:20:57.319 --> 00:21:00.079 guess I should use that, and then I just kind of use it and 305 00:21:00.119 --> 00:21:04.359 then I go okay, uh, And the powers will be like this one 306 00:21:04.440 --> 00:21:10.119 creates uh it will show like in platforms that were normally invisible, or this 307 00:21:10.160 --> 00:21:15.200 one will like have this weird uh like enemy like screenwiping attack, where like 308 00:21:15.279 --> 00:21:18.319 fifty versions of Sonic will just like come off the side of the screen and 309 00:21:18.480 --> 00:21:22.720 be everyone up, which is like funny, but at no point did I 310 00:21:22.759 --> 00:21:26.960 ever feel like they were necessary to use, and as a consequence, I 311 00:21:26.000 --> 00:21:30.960 just kind of forgot they were there, so they feel superfluous. You know, 312 00:21:32.400 --> 00:21:36.599 what are you enjoying about it? Again? I think I was just 313 00:21:36.720 --> 00:21:41.720 enjoying kind of just like the chaos, the chaos over by the chaos. 314 00:21:42.319 --> 00:21:47.039 Also, hopefully this is fixed by the time the game comes out. But 315 00:21:47.119 --> 00:21:52.759 it is unfortunately buggy in a classic Sonic way. In a classic Sonic way. 316 00:21:52.000 --> 00:21:56.160 Well, I mean as in, like Sonic is notoriously uh been a 317 00:21:56.240 --> 00:22:00.759 buggy franchise. Yeah, I guess I guess when I think about like classic 318 00:22:00.839 --> 00:22:03.839 Sonic Oh sure, yeah, I know, classic Sonic is not buggy Okay, 319 00:22:03.920 --> 00:22:10.279 as in like as in like sorry and like Sonic tradition, I guess 320 00:22:10.599 --> 00:22:12.079 it is. It is because you know, I was playing Sonic Adventure for 321 00:22:12.160 --> 00:22:15.079 like the first time in years, like probably like, no, that's I 322 00:22:15.079 --> 00:22:19.680 wouldn't say until Sonic six did that become like a thing where son was kind 323 00:22:19.680 --> 00:22:23.599 of buggy. I do remember like that six, Like apparently was that notorious 324 00:22:23.920 --> 00:22:29.400 Oh yeah, the notorious one, Like it's awful. I've ever played it? 325 00:22:29.519 --> 00:22:33.000 No, No, I haven't. I've not played a Sonic game since 326 00:22:33.039 --> 00:22:36.920 Sonic Adventure two, like so like many people say that's the best one. 327 00:22:37.039 --> 00:22:40.400 Yeah, and I and I even if from if like if my memory and 328 00:22:40.440 --> 00:22:42.680 a and like recollection serves me, right, I always I still think that 329 00:22:44.480 --> 00:22:48.200 I had a better time with Sonic Adventure one. I did find a lot 330 00:22:48.200 --> 00:22:49.720 of like I remember when I was younger playing something Adventure two and get like 331 00:22:49.839 --> 00:22:56.119 really frustrated some of the levels, specifically as knuckles the knuckle the knuckles trying 332 00:22:56.119 --> 00:22:59.000 to find and I remember I don't know if I ever finished the game for 333 00:22:59.000 --> 00:23:02.839 that reason, but like I've vivid memories of fucking like plowing through song Adventure 334 00:23:03.000 --> 00:23:06.720 one more than a couple of times. And I also like I find that 335 00:23:06.759 --> 00:23:08.440 like I don't know this is probably nostalgia speaking, but I find the opening 336 00:23:08.440 --> 00:23:15.680 fight in Sonic Adventure one just so intensely nostalgic, where you're that water it's 337 00:23:15.720 --> 00:23:19.119 like the water Sonic guy chaos, yeah, and he's like and you're like 338 00:23:19.119 --> 00:23:22.920 fighting him with all the cop cars surrounded and he's like it's out in the 339 00:23:22.000 --> 00:23:25.680 raining city and stuff. Yeah. I find something like so into I mean, 340 00:23:25.720 --> 00:23:27.640 I think it's just because it comes from my obsession and love for the 341 00:23:27.680 --> 00:23:32.759 Dreamcats, but like there's something so intensely nostalgic about yeah thing. But I 342 00:23:32.759 --> 00:23:37.039 remember I played Song Adventure one again for the first time in like fifteen years, 343 00:23:37.720 --> 00:23:42.599 uh like fairly recently because I'd gotten like I had come with the streamcast, 344 00:23:42.640 --> 00:23:45.720 had gotten and I like popped in it and I was like kind of 345 00:23:45.799 --> 00:23:51.759 really impressed with how well that game held up to me. I'm I don't 346 00:23:51.759 --> 00:23:55.359 know, I just feel like Sonic games have just become so at a design 347 00:23:55.440 --> 00:23:57.559 level. I have always been at a design level, so like chaotic, 348 00:23:59.079 --> 00:24:03.480 they have like and not really feel designed at all. It's just like go 349 00:24:03.559 --> 00:24:07.720 fast, like do stuff fast. U. Yeah, anyways, tangent over 350 00:24:07.839 --> 00:24:11.480 but I have no I have not played a Sonic game since Sonic A right, 351 00:24:11.759 --> 00:24:18.599 but yeah, yeah, Superstars unfortunately kind of buggy. There's this uh 352 00:24:18.119 --> 00:24:22.200 mechanic where like you can like build a robot. I'm actually so not sure 353 00:24:22.240 --> 00:24:26.400 what it's even for, to be honest, but uh like at the end 354 00:24:26.440 --> 00:24:27.279 of the level, like I built a little robot and then I like popped 355 00:24:27.279 --> 00:24:30.599 out of the menu and then it just like popped me in an area like 356 00:24:30.680 --> 00:24:33.720 a later stage that I wasn't hadn't unlocked yet, and I was like, 357 00:24:33.799 --> 00:24:37.599 what's going on? And then I just then fell through the floor infinitely, 358 00:24:38.799 --> 00:24:44.200 and I was like, cool, Uh. There is a classic water level 359 00:24:44.279 --> 00:24:47.799 where you know, Sonics got the little bubbles you need to pick and then 360 00:24:47.799 --> 00:24:51.920 it does that dund and you die if you know you don't get a bubble. 361 00:24:52.440 --> 00:24:55.640 And at one point in that level, we hop out of the water 362 00:24:55.839 --> 00:25:00.160 and we're like, wait a minute, I still feel the control still feels 363 00:25:00.200 --> 00:25:06.079 sluggish, like I'm underwater. What's going on? And then all of a 364 00:25:06.079 --> 00:25:11.160 sudden, it starts going and the timer goes and we're like does the game 365 00:25:11.319 --> 00:25:17.680 think we are underwater? And sure enough it did and it killed us. 366 00:25:18.039 --> 00:25:22.079 Okay. Then that happened multiple times throughout that stage, and I was like, 367 00:25:22.240 --> 00:25:27.920 this is kind of a mess, like you know, but again again, 368 00:25:27.960 --> 00:25:30.960 it was one of those things where like I was having we were kind 369 00:25:30.960 --> 00:25:37.119 of having a fun time just being like, Wow, what the time for 370 00:25:37.960 --> 00:25:41.880 that game? Does that game come out on Friday? No, it comes 371 00:25:41.880 --> 00:25:45.680 out on the seventeenth, I believe, a few days before Wonder. I 372 00:25:45.680 --> 00:25:51.680 think, so wow, I think I think sumer I Wonder is the twentieth 373 00:25:51.960 --> 00:25:56.519 Yeah, so I haven't played Wonder yet, so I can't definitively say which 374 00:25:57.359 --> 00:26:03.640 classic two D mass got platform or you should play. But Sonic people are 375 00:26:03.640 --> 00:26:06.319 gonna Sonic. I think Sony people are gonna Sonic, and I genuinely hope 376 00:26:06.319 --> 00:26:07.599 they enjoy it. I hope the single player. Yes, that's it feels 377 00:26:07.720 --> 00:26:11.599 better. I mean to me, it's like I still have I think. 378 00:26:11.720 --> 00:26:17.279 I think it's like some of the level design isn't great, like it I 379 00:26:17.319 --> 00:26:18.319 was gonna ask, like how much of it? I mean, I think 380 00:26:18.319 --> 00:26:22.319 you already answered it based on that there's multiple roots in which you can take 381 00:26:22.319 --> 00:26:26.440 a certain levels, like how much of it feels like it's designed for multiplayer? 382 00:26:26.680 --> 00:26:29.440 But it feels like it isn't. Well, but that's the thing is 383 00:26:29.480 --> 00:26:30.720 like, well, it doesn't it doesn't feel like it's design for multiplayer at 384 00:26:30.720 --> 00:26:34.480 all. Like it feels like those roots feel like they're designed for Classic Sonic 385 00:26:36.039 --> 00:26:40.839 because the multiplayer you can't take advantage of multiple roots because one screen in the 386 00:26:40.880 --> 00:26:45.000 cameras. But yeah, I mean, like the level design swings from like 387 00:26:45.039 --> 00:26:48.880 yeah, this is like pretty good to like sometimes I'm just like like it 388 00:26:48.799 --> 00:26:53.039 slows you down too much, or like you know, you'll have like a 389 00:26:53.200 --> 00:26:56.119 enemy pop up or like a roadblock pop up in a way that's like, 390 00:26:56.119 --> 00:27:02.160 how was I possibly supposed to avoid that? If I'm moving at the speedy 391 00:27:02.200 --> 00:27:03.880 like problems I feel like Sonic has always had and either you've just sort of 392 00:27:03.920 --> 00:27:08.119 like are accepted with or so like for me, I'm just like, there's 393 00:27:08.160 --> 00:27:15.039 not it's not doing anything particularly like new or improving on the Sonic formula. 394 00:27:15.519 --> 00:27:18.640 And then I think all the new stuff it ads just doesn't feel very well 395 00:27:18.680 --> 00:27:22.960 designed, so it's it's kind of a thumbs down for me unfortunately. Okay, 396 00:27:23.480 --> 00:27:27.000 Wow, yeah, sorry, I mean, I'm so I'm sorry for 397 00:27:27.039 --> 00:27:30.599 you. It's okay, but I'm glad you got Kurt with me about it. 398 00:27:30.720 --> 00:27:33.599 Yeah, I got Kurt with Kurt. Yeah, Kurt with Kurt Sonic. 399 00:27:44.319 --> 00:27:48.359 Have you been playing anything else? I did play. I actually played 400 00:27:48.359 --> 00:27:51.160 like a lot of Lies Appeal over the weekend, but like Michael talked about 401 00:27:51.160 --> 00:27:52.799 it last week, and I don't want necessarily go to youp into it, 402 00:27:52.799 --> 00:27:55.519 but like it did get its hoaks in me, and I was like, 403 00:27:55.559 --> 00:28:00.319 wow, yeah, I've only played the demo. Speaking of demos, Steam 404 00:28:00.319 --> 00:28:03.599 Nextfest is happening? Is that what it's called right, Yes it is, 405 00:28:03.880 --> 00:28:06.920 I realize because didn't it just happen like a few months It happened a few 406 00:28:06.960 --> 00:28:11.880 months ago. Yeah, I realized. They that often, which is great. 407 00:28:11.000 --> 00:28:15.160 Like it's like, I uh, probably one of my least favorite things 408 00:28:15.200 --> 00:28:18.759 that I do, but I still find myself doing it. Is just like 409 00:28:18.559 --> 00:28:25.640 endlessly scrolling new releases and games on every fucking platform imaginable, just like to 410 00:28:25.759 --> 00:28:29.480 see what exists and what happens. Yeah, yeah, and like really is 411 00:28:29.599 --> 00:28:33.319 rarely is that ever like an informative way to spend my time. I usually 412 00:28:33.319 --> 00:28:36.559 just be like, wow, could've actually been playing something else? I could 413 00:28:36.559 --> 00:28:38.799 have been playing a game. I do that a lot with the streaming services 414 00:28:38.799 --> 00:28:42.079 like Netflix. Yes, it's literally it's the Netflix game. Ya, don't 415 00:28:42.079 --> 00:28:47.359 play that anymore. I don't do that. Georgia loves because because we just 416 00:28:47.400 --> 00:28:51.400 like talk about whatever we're seeing. It is so I can There are so 417 00:28:51.599 --> 00:28:55.400 few times I don't know if there's a single time where I can like remember 418 00:28:56.000 --> 00:29:00.559 discovering something that way. It's always I always discover something some or else or 419 00:29:00.559 --> 00:29:03.079 somehow between, you know, just during now. Usually I'm a big fan 420 00:29:03.119 --> 00:29:07.079 of IMDb IMDb Rabbit Holes, which we can get to and how we you 421 00:29:07.079 --> 00:29:11.759 know, to a movie that we both watched recently, but like and then 422 00:29:11.799 --> 00:29:14.400 you use that as a means to find where it is. But rarely do 423 00:29:14.480 --> 00:29:17.400 I ever like open up a streaming service and like find value and just being 424 00:29:17.480 --> 00:29:22.640 like what I lost the night It doesn't work. But the steam next pest 425 00:29:22.720 --> 00:29:26.000 Is is a really cool way in which I will just like sit there and 426 00:29:26.039 --> 00:29:29.079 scroll and scroll and scroll and scroll and try and find like and usually it 427 00:29:29.119 --> 00:29:33.039 can like find at least two one or two games I wish list. I 428 00:29:33.039 --> 00:29:34.920 get excited, yeah, to keep an eye on. Uh. And then 429 00:29:36.000 --> 00:29:41.720 last night I started playing the demo of a game called The Thematage Thomaturge now 430 00:29:41.720 --> 00:29:47.119 you say it Thomaturge anyways. It's an RP, it's a it's an isometric 431 00:29:47.200 --> 00:29:52.160 RPG based off like Slavic mythos uh. And I know it's a demo, 432 00:29:52.279 --> 00:29:55.920 so that's not like anything super exciting to talk about necessarily, but it has 433 00:29:56.000 --> 00:29:57.839 it's coming out later this year December fifth, I believe it's coming out. 434 00:30:00.680 --> 00:30:04.319 And I found it like really something I was like really got really excited about. 435 00:30:04.920 --> 00:30:11.799 It has like it's like it's this dark folklorish sort of setting, and 436 00:30:11.839 --> 00:30:17.519 like it's very stark in its colors. It's very dark. I've said that 437 00:30:17.559 --> 00:30:21.079 a million times. It's dark. It's a dark game, but it's basically 438 00:30:21.119 --> 00:30:23.200 it's I haven't really put a lot of it together, especially because like Slavic 439 00:30:23.640 --> 00:30:27.680 mythology is not something I'm intimate with. But that's another reason why I'm kind 440 00:30:27.680 --> 00:30:32.640 of super pumped to kind of explore, because I think it does it in 441 00:30:32.640 --> 00:30:38.119 a way that's like kind of leans into this almost like Shrilockey style detective game 442 00:30:38.160 --> 00:30:45.279 at the moment that has turn based combat and it's like choose yourr own dialogue 443 00:30:45.319 --> 00:30:48.720 choices and all that jazz. I'm teaming up with Rasputin, like the ras 444 00:30:48.799 --> 00:30:56.400 Mutant, like the Soothsayer of the past. And that's really the only thing 445 00:30:56.440 --> 00:31:02.000 I've been poking at recently, and I guess it's just been an RPG man. 446 00:31:02.039 --> 00:31:04.359 I downloaded Bowlderskate three. Finally download bowlders Kate three. Yeah, I 447 00:31:04.359 --> 00:31:07.000 haven't started yet. I only played the early access, so I'm familiar with 448 00:31:07.000 --> 00:31:11.319 it, but just haven't done it. And Jake got up his review. 449 00:31:11.359 --> 00:31:15.039 It's true he did ten out of ten, ten out of ten it's a 450 00:31:15.079 --> 00:31:18.640 review that everyone's been waiting for. Really glad that we're able to do it. 451 00:31:18.680 --> 00:31:22.759 I would definitely read it, even if you're someone who's already like feels 452 00:31:22.799 --> 00:31:26.559 like I've read all the reviews because Jake talks a lot about the cap experience, 453 00:31:26.599 --> 00:31:30.160 which I think is one of those things that's like, you know, 454 00:31:30.240 --> 00:31:32.079 you're not going to get as much in the early reviews. Yeah, I 455 00:31:32.359 --> 00:31:36.079 think. I also think the perspective of allowing Jake to review this game so 456 00:31:36.359 --> 00:31:40.440 long after it had come out is interesting because like you kind of get like 457 00:31:40.480 --> 00:31:42.599 he was playing it at launch, so you kind of get this like three 458 00:31:42.799 --> 00:31:45.960 was it but three months? Four months? Yeah, this like sort of 459 00:31:47.000 --> 00:31:49.599 like this mini retrospective already of a person who's been playing this game for this 460 00:31:49.680 --> 00:31:53.000 amount of time, for this long, Like how how how often you get 461 00:31:53.039 --> 00:31:56.559 to do that like actually review totally? I mean most reviews like are in 462 00:31:56.640 --> 00:32:01.720 that weird like you get it, you got two days, and it's like 463 00:32:02.920 --> 00:32:07.279 there's been a lot of debates about you know, how valuable is that versus 464 00:32:07.279 --> 00:32:10.640 like because it's not a way I agree with person experience is a game, 465 00:32:10.720 --> 00:32:15.880 and and I think there's definitely arguments to be made. Yeah, there's there's 466 00:32:15.960 --> 00:32:20.799 a it's like there's you know, I'm not going to say this is the 467 00:32:20.839 --> 00:32:23.000 case, but like if it does feel tactical in certain ways, I mean 468 00:32:23.039 --> 00:32:28.200 there's there's absolutely no doubt there's the tactics in which games are given to press, 469 00:32:28.440 --> 00:32:30.960 oh sure to play, what time in which it is given to them, 470 00:32:30.000 --> 00:32:34.400 and how much band do they have to do it? But like you, 471 00:32:34.400 --> 00:32:38.680 you definitely have a different perspective on when you're given a timeline you have 472 00:32:38.720 --> 00:32:42.839 to finish game X amount of time and like formulate your thoughts, even if 473 00:32:42.880 --> 00:32:49.039 those thoughts haven't completely baked. Yeah, and like I don't know, I 474 00:32:49.039 --> 00:32:54.319 I think in hindsight I would have scored Deadly Predmission two differently, Oh yeah, 475 00:32:54.799 --> 00:32:59.039 sure, having played it, reviewed it, and then like come back 476 00:32:59.039 --> 00:33:04.519 to it later, and like, I think this is a point lower originally 477 00:33:04.559 --> 00:33:07.440 gave it. I've definitely heard that opinion from a few people about games where 478 00:33:07.440 --> 00:33:09.920 they're just like oh yeah, like I think if I had like more time 479 00:33:09.960 --> 00:33:14.400 than now chew on it, I would have said this or I've given it 480 00:33:14.440 --> 00:33:16.559 that score. Yeah, And yeah, I mean, well that's just kind 481 00:33:16.559 --> 00:33:19.960 of how it is. Right. People's opinion has changed and right, I 482 00:33:20.000 --> 00:33:22.039 mean, but it's like it's like opinion develops. Yeah, It's like I 483 00:33:22.039 --> 00:33:24.559 don't know if like it's it's for some Yeah, I don't know if it's 484 00:33:24.559 --> 00:33:28.440 ever so much that my opinion changes. It's just like you just it just 485 00:33:28.519 --> 00:33:30.559 exactly like it develops and it kind of like sinks in a little bit solidifies, 486 00:33:30.680 --> 00:33:37.799 Yeah, because it does take time to like really process something in a 487 00:33:37.799 --> 00:33:40.640 way that like, It's why I don't really like pay attention to people who 488 00:33:40.720 --> 00:33:45.880 like give their opinion on like a movie like the minute they get out of 489 00:33:45.880 --> 00:33:47.160 the theater where the just got theater and this is what I think of it, 490 00:33:47.200 --> 00:33:52.799 And I'm like, okay, you're like initial maybe like emotions are valid, 491 00:33:52.000 --> 00:33:57.400 but like I do feel like you have to like sit on something and 492 00:33:57.440 --> 00:34:02.960 I feel about it. Like perfect example was like going we did the Oppenheimer 493 00:34:04.039 --> 00:34:09.679 Barbie thing, Yeah, and Georgia initially was like Oppenheimer was kind of all 494 00:34:09.800 --> 00:34:13.039 right. She's like she's like didn't hate it, but it was kind of 495 00:34:13.079 --> 00:34:16.400 like on it she's like Barbie though, loved it of ten and then now 496 00:34:16.480 --> 00:34:20.679 actually like that she's like sat with the more. She's like way more positive 497 00:34:20.840 --> 00:34:24.559 on Oppenheimer and less positive on Barbie. I was just like her actually like 498 00:34:25.320 --> 00:34:30.079 getting over those like initial feelings and really like sitting there and like processing interesting. 499 00:34:30.159 --> 00:34:35.320 And I'm like, yeah, like that's that's a it's valuable to do 500 00:34:35.360 --> 00:34:37.920 that. I stand firm that. Uh my, with how much I love 501 00:34:37.960 --> 00:34:43.760 Barbie and how much I didn't my opposing opinions interesting, all right, I 502 00:34:44.159 --> 00:34:46.159 stand firm on this, Okay, but I do. But like that is 503 00:34:46.199 --> 00:34:50.960 a perfect example of which, like there's this sort of like starstruckism. I 504 00:34:50.960 --> 00:34:53.360 guess, like the story of like you know, in the moment like kind 505 00:34:53.360 --> 00:34:59.760 of excitement and experience that yeah, you're not entirely processing everything anyways. Uh 506 00:35:00.079 --> 00:35:02.000 but I have. I'm gonna start playing Bowlers Gay three, which is actually 507 00:35:02.079 --> 00:35:07.840 vital because I'm so excited for Super Mario Wonder and then Allen Wake two is 508 00:35:07.840 --> 00:35:12.639 coming out, like I just like I'm basically trying to find time to avoid, 509 00:35:12.719 --> 00:35:19.079 you know, between not reading books basically, and then I have been 510 00:35:19.239 --> 00:35:22.519 playing Phantom Liberty Wow, I know, which is a while for me because 511 00:35:22.519 --> 00:35:24.960 I probably like ten hours of the Bass game was like this is not for 512 00:35:25.079 --> 00:35:28.760 me. Yeah, And I played ten hours of Phantom Liberty. I was 513 00:35:28.760 --> 00:35:32.039 like, holy shit, this is good, this is great. We don't 514 00:35:32.079 --> 00:35:35.239 have to get into that too much. Just know that I'm enjoying it. 515 00:35:35.719 --> 00:35:40.239 Yeah. I definitely am like curious to hear your specifics about like what was 516 00:35:40.280 --> 00:35:44.880 it about the base game that didn't click with you? And like how does 517 00:35:44.960 --> 00:35:50.440 Phantom Liberty feel difficult? Yeah? I think like the Bass game like it's 518 00:35:50.559 --> 00:35:52.360 wasn't it was not the performance, It wasn't the bugs like that to me 519 00:35:52.519 --> 00:35:57.360 is like whatever, Like I find those that be sometimes like really fun blemishes 520 00:35:57.960 --> 00:36:01.440 on a game, unless they destroy the actual experience. Opinions on bethesta bog 521 00:36:01.840 --> 00:36:07.599 Oh yes, uh. But I think the the issue I had with Bass 522 00:36:07.679 --> 00:36:15.079 Cyberpunk was just purely and simply put was it's writing, Like I there is 523 00:36:15.239 --> 00:36:20.519 there's this kind of like it has like this tough guy syndrome that made it 524 00:36:20.559 --> 00:36:24.079 really hard to take anything seriously when every single character in that world is a 525 00:36:24.119 --> 00:36:30.159 tough guy and they're always like to the nth degree just like I'm a bad 526 00:36:30.239 --> 00:36:31.599 dude, I'm gonna I'm gonna, I'm gonna mess you up, and the 527 00:36:31.599 --> 00:36:37.760 main character is like I'm a bad dude. Found there wasn't any diversity and 528 00:36:37.800 --> 00:36:40.320 the characters and their motives, but just like it gets exhausting and I felt, 529 00:36:40.320 --> 00:36:43.960 and this is gonna sound really this might sound goofy, but it's hard 530 00:36:43.960 --> 00:36:49.159 to explain. I actually found the visuals of that game to be like too 531 00:36:49.239 --> 00:36:53.239 many graphics, like there is like like I found like like I found the 532 00:36:53.280 --> 00:36:58.199 world hard to take in, Like I did not feel immersed because I was 533 00:36:58.280 --> 00:37:01.199 like there was so much going on to like there was like these flares, 534 00:37:01.239 --> 00:37:05.480 and there's these other graphics, and there's these other like signs, every signs 535 00:37:05.480 --> 00:37:07.800 and lenses and your characters like fucking bouncing around and booping, like and the 536 00:37:07.800 --> 00:37:10.880 cameras moving with all your movements because you're like you're in it, you're immersed 537 00:37:12.239 --> 00:37:15.719 and some and I'm under the impression that that that doesn't create immersion, like 538 00:37:15.800 --> 00:37:19.280 you know, like I really don't feel like immersions like is defined by like 539 00:37:19.320 --> 00:37:22.800 how good the game looks, or how like realistic your character moves, how 540 00:37:22.840 --> 00:37:28.360 they interact with the environment. Immersion comes from a world that feels like believable. 541 00:37:28.440 --> 00:37:32.199 In a world that feels like that you can like get wrapped up in 542 00:37:32.239 --> 00:37:36.119 and existent and not just visually like that's not that I'm not talking about just 543 00:37:36.159 --> 00:37:38.079 like it looks good, like it's a world that like it's a it's a 544 00:37:38.199 --> 00:37:43.159 it's it's where like all the concepts of a game fit in with with a 545 00:37:43.199 --> 00:37:45.559 sense of cohesion where like you're not thinking that hard. You know, you're 546 00:37:45.599 --> 00:37:49.840 just existing and you're just you're working with it. And I always felt like 547 00:37:49.840 --> 00:37:52.000 I was working against that game. Yeah it's I thought as menus screens were 548 00:37:52.000 --> 00:37:57.280 a mass, I thought the characters were goofy as fuck. It was there's 549 00:37:57.320 --> 00:38:02.840 tony graphics and many I didn't feel like I was taking anything in and eventually 550 00:38:02.840 --> 00:38:07.000 I stopped Yeah, okay, so that's why. That's why I stopped off 551 00:38:07.000 --> 00:38:08.079 that game. I was just like I just don't think this is you know, 552 00:38:08.159 --> 00:38:12.360 I have this analogy with Witcher three that I've talked about a million analogy 553 00:38:12.519 --> 00:38:15.960 where it's like Witcher three and it's unfortunately another CDPR game, uh that I 554 00:38:16.000 --> 00:38:21.480 could not get into. But like I tried to play Witcher three like five 555 00:38:21.599 --> 00:38:24.559 times, like I've put a collect maybe collectively like thirty to forty hours in 556 00:38:24.559 --> 00:38:28.480 that game on different playthroughs the different moments in my life, being like maybe 557 00:38:28.480 --> 00:38:30.719 now is the time I'm going to get into it. And aside from featuring 558 00:38:30.880 --> 00:38:35.039 similar tough guyisms, in my opinion, like that game kind of also has 559 00:38:35.039 --> 00:38:37.159 this like kind of macho ness to it. That's hard. That was like 560 00:38:37.320 --> 00:38:40.760 having, you know, not to denounce any of the writers. It just 561 00:38:40.840 --> 00:38:45.719 kind of had this like just juvenile, sort of fan fic sort of approach 562 00:38:45.800 --> 00:38:50.079 to how some of his characters, especially in Cyberpunk. Yeah, I have 563 00:38:50.159 --> 00:38:52.480 this whole analogy where it's like I don't think The Witcher three is a bad 564 00:38:52.519 --> 00:38:55.440 game, but there's like you see certain people who just love it and like 565 00:38:55.480 --> 00:38:58.920 they're so into it, and you're like so excited for them, like and 566 00:38:59.000 --> 00:39:01.119 you agree with like their perspectives on games, and you're like, man, 567 00:39:01.159 --> 00:39:06.280 like that game must be so good. And it's kind of like when you 568 00:39:06.320 --> 00:39:09.400 see somebody wearing a really cool jacket or like a really sweet pair of jeans 569 00:39:09.400 --> 00:39:13.079 and you're like, damn, it looks like you look so good, dude, 570 00:39:13.199 --> 00:39:15.639 Like you look awesome in that jacket, Like this is the coolest jacket 571 00:39:15.639 --> 00:39:16.719 I've ever seen. Like you look awesome. They're like, yeah, thanks, 572 00:39:16.760 --> 00:39:20.079 bro, And I was like, I should get that jacket. I 573 00:39:20.079 --> 00:39:22.599 should get that jacket and like I could be a cool dude too, and 574 00:39:22.599 --> 00:39:25.639 then you get that jacket and it doesn't quite fit right, like doesn't maybe 575 00:39:25.679 --> 00:39:30.079 like fall on your shoulders correctly, or maybe like your arms are too long, 576 00:39:30.199 --> 00:39:31.679 or maybe like there's just something about it that you realize that like maybe 577 00:39:31.679 --> 00:39:36.599 it just isn't for you. That jacket just looks cool on other people, 578 00:39:36.599 --> 00:39:38.119 and you can still think that jacket's cool, but that doesn't mean you need 579 00:39:38.119 --> 00:39:40.559 to wear that jacket. And that's how I feel about The Witch or three 580 00:39:40.760 --> 00:39:45.159 all right, And that's I genuinely I love that analogy. That's a great 581 00:39:45.199 --> 00:39:50.159 way to think about and anything. And it's the same way with like Cyberpunk. 582 00:39:50.159 --> 00:39:52.400 I know, I just was like talking shit about some of his characters, 583 00:39:52.400 --> 00:39:55.159 like, but like ultimately I think, like, you know, this 584 00:39:55.239 --> 00:39:59.639 is just maybe just wasn't the game for me. Yeah, just wasn't clicking 585 00:39:59.639 --> 00:40:02.480 that way. Liberty has a has a more kurt fitting jack. Oh I 586 00:40:02.679 --> 00:40:06.119 yeah, No, I think like it's a totally I think it's like a 587 00:40:06.159 --> 00:40:08.320 different jacket made by the same just you know, manufacturer, but they put 588 00:40:08.320 --> 00:40:13.719 out a new line of clothes and I'm like, whoa, yeah, like 589 00:40:13.760 --> 00:40:16.559 it's kind of got the style of the original refined, and I mean, 590 00:40:16.760 --> 00:40:21.440 yeah, I think you can. I think you can really see like how 591 00:40:22.199 --> 00:40:25.599 they they took We like the I a lot of the ideas in the original 592 00:40:25.679 --> 00:40:30.400 Cyberne felt like could have worked or like just felt like unrefined. Yeah, 593 00:40:30.400 --> 00:40:34.920 I see it and and you know, really like matured and and kind of 594 00:40:34.920 --> 00:40:37.440 were able to like put them together. Because you talk about like the visual 595 00:40:37.480 --> 00:40:44.519 mess like in comparison, Fantom Liberty like Dogtown feels like much more I would 596 00:40:44.559 --> 00:40:47.840 say, like, uh, considered and subtle, and it's just it's just 597 00:40:47.880 --> 00:40:51.519 not like big city, big buildings, big stuff. It's like it really 598 00:40:51.559 --> 00:40:53.440 does feel like a world that like I walked. I mean, that's the 599 00:40:53.440 --> 00:40:55.800 thing I was telling you is like I spent so much more time walking in 600 00:40:55.880 --> 00:41:02.159 Cyberpunk and Fantom Like Dogtown than they do driving, because like walking, the 601 00:41:02.199 --> 00:41:07.559 world feels like walk a bull, Like there's things to like see and do, 602 00:41:07.960 --> 00:41:10.079 maybe not so much do, but right like environments to take in. 603 00:41:12.679 --> 00:41:16.199 And yeah, like the main the main thing with Fantom Liberty me is like 604 00:41:17.920 --> 00:41:22.559 it feels like it grew up. Like the writing feels less tough guy, 605 00:41:22.119 --> 00:41:24.719 it feels like a little bit more nuanced, it feels a little bit more 606 00:41:24.760 --> 00:41:30.599 mature. It feels like less like they're trying to prove that they know the 607 00:41:30.639 --> 00:41:34.679 cyberpunk genre and more that they're like really are just trying to tell that they're 608 00:41:34.760 --> 00:41:37.599 using it as the foundation to tell another genre story, which in this case 609 00:41:37.639 --> 00:41:40.920 is like the spy story. Yeah, and I think that like is like 610 00:41:42.719 --> 00:41:45.559 I think that's like the next I almost feel like it was necessary in a 611 00:41:45.559 --> 00:41:47.239 way for like what we got from the base game to be able to like 612 00:41:47.320 --> 00:41:50.920 understand, Yeah, they had challenge, they kind to get it out of 613 00:41:50.960 --> 00:41:52.280 their system. They had to try it out because I mean, I definitely 614 00:41:53.000 --> 00:41:57.679 feel a big problem I have for the base game is like it feels like 615 00:41:57.760 --> 00:42:05.639 they were just pulling from like every other cyberpunk material but not really bringing as 616 00:42:05.679 --> 00:42:07.920 much of their own sensibilities to it. And like it's like, what's your 617 00:42:08.000 --> 00:42:13.679 version of cyberpunk. I'm seeing Blade Runner, I'm seeing Johnny Numonic, I'm 618 00:42:13.719 --> 00:42:19.599 changing and you know all this stuff and and but it's like what's your cyberpunk? 619 00:42:19.639 --> 00:42:22.199 And I feel like Fantom Liberty is like a much stronger case of like 620 00:42:22.239 --> 00:42:27.599 this is Stee Project Red's version. I get that, Yeah, I'm getting 621 00:42:27.599 --> 00:42:30.760 that and like also important note, I don't know if this is part of 622 00:42:30.760 --> 00:42:32.880 the two point zero update. I have not played the games. It's longer, 623 00:42:34.159 --> 00:42:37.320 but I turned off some of the graphics, like I was able to 624 00:42:37.320 --> 00:42:38.920 like I was able to turn off the I think you could turn off the 625 00:42:38.960 --> 00:42:42.840 lens flair in the original one, but like you can definitely tailor it a 626 00:42:42.880 --> 00:42:44.960 little bit before. So like I turned a lot of the lens flair. 627 00:42:45.000 --> 00:42:49.519 There's like some other thing that gave this like this thing that you're looking through 628 00:42:49.519 --> 00:42:51.920 like a lens. I was like, I don't care. You're able to 629 00:42:52.000 --> 00:42:54.239 like and you're able and then you're able to tone down the way in which 630 00:42:54.239 --> 00:42:58.480 you're the character, like the head Bob. Yeah, so I turned that 631 00:42:58.559 --> 00:43:00.840 down and again Mike not, I don't get like motion sick. It just 632 00:43:00.960 --> 00:43:06.920 was like it doesn't work for you. It's hard to take the world in 633 00:43:06.960 --> 00:43:08.840 because of that. So I turned all that stuff down or off, and 634 00:43:08.920 --> 00:43:14.719 like it's it feels like a way way way better experience, like just fully 635 00:43:14.719 --> 00:43:17.360 exp like totally for I'm not like fighting with the fucking menu screens, Like 636 00:43:17.400 --> 00:43:22.840 I'm not like confuses what they're doing. So yeah, I've been kind of 637 00:43:22.880 --> 00:43:25.760 like on a RPG kick, which is not a surprise, but it's definitely 638 00:43:25.760 --> 00:43:30.239 a surprise. They have like to be playing like multiple RPGs at once. 639 00:43:30.360 --> 00:43:36.719 Usually that's not the case for me. Yeah, so yeah, thank you. 640 00:43:37.079 --> 00:43:39.679 Yeah, but it's also spooky season. It's also spooky season. Last 641 00:43:39.679 --> 00:43:43.360 week. Yeah, if you guys were here last week, you were able 642 00:43:43.400 --> 00:43:45.840 to hear John Logan I divulge and a story. We have a story development 643 00:43:45.880 --> 00:43:47.800 from last week. Yeah, we have a story development. So yeah, 644 00:43:47.800 --> 00:43:51.599 why don't we just get into that. So, so we watched I've watched 645 00:43:51.599 --> 00:43:54.559 a few more movies since last week talked. Okay, I don't have to 646 00:43:54.719 --> 00:43:59.599 necessarily go into detail about all of them, but I did watch wendeln Wild, 647 00:44:00.400 --> 00:44:06.159 which was the uh the clay animation. Oh yes, one Keen peel 648 00:44:06.280 --> 00:44:09.360 or Great Wonderful. I haven't seen it. Absolute delight directed by Henry Selleck. 649 00:44:09.679 --> 00:44:15.199 Henry Selick. Uh, just a delightful little film. I really cool. 650 00:44:15.280 --> 00:44:17.719 I wanted to watch that too. Yeah, no, I'm a big 651 00:44:17.719 --> 00:44:21.480 fan of that director. Yeah. Yeah, it's it's really good. It's 652 00:44:21.480 --> 00:44:25.559 got it's got like the like every character just is like a like a fun 653 00:44:25.639 --> 00:44:30.639 creative look. It's got some of those sort of like nightmare like isms where 654 00:44:30.639 --> 00:44:35.320 you like, look, how weird and all this just like rotten skeletons with 655 00:44:35.360 --> 00:44:37.599 like you know, worms coming out of their eyeballs and people. People don't 656 00:44:37.760 --> 00:44:40.039 tend to always forget that. Henry Sellick was the one who directed in Air 657 00:44:40.079 --> 00:44:45.440 for Christmas. Oh yeah, so he's just always so yeah everyone everyone always 658 00:44:45.480 --> 00:44:47.599 forgets that. Yeah, like and like he also don't forget he directed Monkey 659 00:44:47.599 --> 00:44:52.280 Bone. Oh I didn't know that actually, Yeah. Okay, James the 660 00:44:52.280 --> 00:44:55.639 Giant Peach. Oh yeah, I love James. Yeah yeah, Coraline, 661 00:44:55.760 --> 00:44:59.599 Coraline, Corpse Bride. Yeah, he didn't do we didn't do corpse? 662 00:45:00.280 --> 00:45:02.039 Was that actually Timber? That is? That is actually a Timber and direct 663 00:45:02.159 --> 00:45:06.480 time that makes more sense because that one does have a Hella bomb Carter. 664 00:45:09.159 --> 00:45:15.320 But yeah, delightful, delightful film. I really enjoyed it. It was 665 00:45:15.360 --> 00:45:20.639 good. Uh. And then pre your suggestion, I watched Nightmare on Elm 666 00:45:20.679 --> 00:45:22.079 Street, the original, which you were always going which is going to but 667 00:45:22.119 --> 00:45:27.239 I watched it first because of your recommendation for the other film, Deadly Friend, 668 00:45:27.840 --> 00:45:30.360 which we need to make a culturally important film. Yes, I think 669 00:45:30.400 --> 00:45:36.639 that's my main goal of this conversation is too because holy shit. But we'll 670 00:45:36.639 --> 00:45:40.639 get into that in a second nightmare, A Nightmare on Elm Street. I 671 00:45:40.679 --> 00:45:45.880 always forget the a the A Nightmare on Elm Street. Uh, pretty good. 672 00:45:46.440 --> 00:45:53.239 Didn't love it first off, fascinating to me. And Friday the Thirteenth 673 00:45:53.320 --> 00:45:58.639 is like the other example of this where you have these long running horror franchises 674 00:45:58.679 --> 00:46:04.320 where the cultural perception and like the big like isms of those franchises are like 675 00:46:04.519 --> 00:46:08.119 barely in the original yes, uh, like Freddy he doesn't call anyone a 676 00:46:08.119 --> 00:46:12.440 bitch once. Now he barely talks. You barely see his face for most 677 00:46:12.440 --> 00:46:15.920 of the film. Yeah, he And it's clearly like it's so it's like 678 00:46:15.920 --> 00:46:22.440 that that iconic cultural Freddy Krueger is like he's definitely like scary, He's he's 679 00:46:22.480 --> 00:46:25.559 a means to to a to a spookery, but he's not that like a 680 00:46:25.880 --> 00:46:32.000 like primetime bitch, like like I looked it up and they're like, that's 681 00:46:32.000 --> 00:46:36.920 not till three Wow. And Friday the Thirteenth is also kind of the same 682 00:46:36.920 --> 00:46:38.440 thing where it's like he doesn't get his mask until the third film. Yeah, 683 00:46:38.519 --> 00:46:40.880 yeah, he's it's not even him in the first and then he's wearing 684 00:46:40.880 --> 00:46:44.559 like a just a potato sack and then yeah, he doesn't get the hockey 685 00:46:44.599 --> 00:46:49.119 Master the third movie. That's crazy. Yeah, wild. You think about 686 00:46:49.119 --> 00:46:52.559 all these war films that come out today and like they like almost I feel 687 00:46:52.639 --> 00:46:55.519 like there's like a thing in horror to strive for that like iconic thing, 688 00:46:55.559 --> 00:47:00.000 like what makes you the idea established that iconic thing. Yeah, like Screen 689 00:47:00.239 --> 00:47:01.519 had ghost face. I mean the ghost face was the thing that already exists 690 00:47:01.519 --> 00:47:05.199 in the world, but they made it theirs. But like you think about 691 00:47:05.239 --> 00:47:07.599 these other films and like that they didn't even find their footing, their identity 692 00:47:07.679 --> 00:47:13.599 until until three films, which is crazy. But also it was back during 693 00:47:13.599 --> 00:47:15.800 an era where you could just pump out those films super cheap, and it's 694 00:47:15.840 --> 00:47:19.320 like it's like whatever. Yeah, I'm pretty sure if I remember right. 695 00:47:19.360 --> 00:47:22.280 I'm not a huge Bright the Thirteenth fan, but I'm pretty sure right The 696 00:47:22.360 --> 00:47:28.119 Thirteenth Part two and three were planned sequels to one another. Like I'm pretty 697 00:47:28.159 --> 00:47:30.599 sure that it, like if I remember, started to be like we can 698 00:47:30.639 --> 00:47:34.320 make money out. Yeah, if there's any horror fans who want to correct 699 00:47:34.320 --> 00:47:37.840 me on this, by all means, I'm pretty sure, Like Part two 700 00:47:37.079 --> 00:47:40.400 ends with a cliffhanger. Oh okay to allude to Part three, which I 701 00:47:40.400 --> 00:47:44.719 think was I think Part three was the one that was filmed that was supposed 702 00:47:44.719 --> 00:47:47.679 to be like thirteenth three D, Like there is a three D one, 703 00:47:47.880 --> 00:47:51.559 yeah, and I can't remember. That is the one which has a really 704 00:47:51.599 --> 00:47:54.760 bad scene where guys like hanging up laundry and like this like him is like 705 00:47:54.800 --> 00:47:59.119 he's playing with the stick in the camera line. It's supposed to be Yeah, 706 00:48:00.119 --> 00:48:02.679 ship, dude, you're doing long. They're like, that's gonna blow 707 00:48:02.719 --> 00:48:07.960 people's fucking mind. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, fuck Avatar. 708 00:48:07.880 --> 00:48:10.599 Is there still a way to watch those movies in three D? I think 709 00:48:10.639 --> 00:48:14.679 they sold a version. I think they sold the DVD copy where I had 710 00:48:14.679 --> 00:48:16.960 a like because they were that at the time they were because I would I 711 00:48:17.000 --> 00:48:21.920 feel like I feel obligated. You and me feel very strongly about like experience 712 00:48:22.760 --> 00:48:24.400 the way it was meant to be and it was meant to be seen. 713 00:48:24.599 --> 00:48:29.079 Yeah, if I remember right, I think there is a release of thirteen 714 00:48:29.159 --> 00:48:32.840 three D with a red and blue filtered version where it comes with the glasses 715 00:48:32.840 --> 00:48:37.079 for you to wear, because okay, yeah, I'll have to figure that 716 00:48:37.079 --> 00:48:39.079 out. If I get that, I'm almost positive, like it's did a 717 00:48:39.159 --> 00:48:42.199 Nymer on Elm Street have a three D one? They must have. I 718 00:48:42.199 --> 00:48:45.079 don't think they did. No, I don't think they did. I'm way 719 00:48:45.119 --> 00:48:49.400 more intimate with Nymer and Elm Street than I am thirteen. Uh. That 720 00:48:49.519 --> 00:48:52.840 said, I do think Freddy Versus Jason is a phenomenal movie. Oh no, 721 00:48:52.960 --> 00:48:55.840 I yeah, I agree it was. It is to this day. 722 00:48:55.880 --> 00:49:00.440 I consider it the number one movie theater experience I've ever had. Was Friday. 723 00:49:00.639 --> 00:49:04.000 I was seeing Fridday Versus Jason, Like it was like being at a 724 00:49:04.000 --> 00:49:07.320 wrestling show in a movie theater, just people freaking out and being like before 725 00:49:07.320 --> 00:49:12.159 the movie even started, people like strangers, people who literally didn't know each 726 00:49:12.159 --> 00:49:14.719 other. Who thinks is gonna win? I think it's gonna be Jason, 727 00:49:14.800 --> 00:49:16.000 Like, fuck you man, it's gonna be Freddy Mann. It's gonna be 728 00:49:16.039 --> 00:49:20.639 Freddy Man. Like by the time that movie ended, and like there was 729 00:49:20.639 --> 00:49:23.119 this constant back and forth during that last half hour, the people were standing 730 00:49:23.159 --> 00:49:27.440 up in theaters. Yeah, they were just like full blown just making love. 731 00:49:28.480 --> 00:49:30.679 Like people stood Like my brother was like, he's a huge hor nerd. 732 00:49:30.679 --> 00:49:34.199 He's the horr nerd of the family, and he was like, fucking 733 00:49:34.320 --> 00:49:37.559 like verbally do it, like just duking it out with this guy. Their 734 00:49:37.679 --> 00:49:42.400 entire film was amazing. It was amazing anyways. Uh, but I've seen 735 00:49:42.880 --> 00:49:46.559 I think I've seen every I'm pretty positive the only one I'm iffy on is 736 00:49:46.639 --> 00:49:51.800 five because now I've definitely seen it because that's when he has a kid there 737 00:49:52.320 --> 00:49:55.119 for Nightmarewln Streets. So I've seen all the Nightmare Elm Street films and I 738 00:49:55.159 --> 00:49:58.760 know what ones. I like on the ones I don't want that, but 739 00:49:58.880 --> 00:50:01.000 Fly the thirteenth, I'm like more like I've just watched from a distance. 740 00:50:01.039 --> 00:50:06.000 I saw Jason Axton theaters. I'm so sorry. Yeah, me too. 741 00:50:07.000 --> 00:50:09.559 I was like nine, my dad, My dad took me to see that. 742 00:50:09.599 --> 00:50:14.880 Hell yeah anyway, So I didn't mean this interrupting a Nightmare on Ellan 743 00:50:14.920 --> 00:50:17.039 Street starring Fred Krueger, as it says in the opening credits, which I 744 00:50:17.079 --> 00:50:21.360 thought was really fun Robert England. No, it was like Fred Krueger, 745 00:50:21.400 --> 00:50:22.679 and I was like Fred, Yeah, I they call him Fred the entire 746 00:50:22.719 --> 00:50:25.519 film. Yeah, well, I think at one point Freddy, but but 747 00:50:25.559 --> 00:50:30.559 they're like Fred Cruiz, Fred Krueger. Mom like Yeah, the mom's just 748 00:50:30.960 --> 00:50:36.280 downing like a Kirkland size bottle of Vodko. That entire movie, every weeking 749 00:50:36.320 --> 00:50:45.079 scene genuinely, the the like nightmare scenes and the kills are still so much 750 00:50:45.119 --> 00:50:52.079 fun, like just super creative, like the good like build up of tension 751 00:50:52.360 --> 00:50:55.559 and just like I was like, man, like this stuff rules. Some 752 00:50:55.599 --> 00:51:00.639 of the stuff in the in between those can like be like sometimes little borings. 753 00:51:00.719 --> 00:51:02.679 Yeah, I think it gets more interesting as like she starts to kind 754 00:51:02.679 --> 00:51:10.320 of go more crazy. Yeah, like and stuff and Johnny Depp, little 755 00:51:10.400 --> 00:51:15.119 Johnny Depp Georgie. You could not believe that She's Like no way, I 756 00:51:15.159 --> 00:51:19.519 was like this Johnny Depp. He hasn't like he did an age for like, 757 00:51:19.519 --> 00:51:22.559 I feel like, yeah, he looks really young there in a way 758 00:51:22.599 --> 00:51:23.760 where it's like I think if you're only familiar with how he looks now, 759 00:51:24.239 --> 00:51:29.280 it's a little harder to see, but you can see it. His death 760 00:51:29.360 --> 00:51:37.199 is incredible. It's it's amazing, and but it's also one that like kind 761 00:51:37.199 --> 00:51:39.719 of sort of breaks the rules a little. Yeah, that movie is not 762 00:51:40.000 --> 00:51:45.320 very consistent with like the rules of the nightmare stuff, which I have no 763 00:51:45.320 --> 00:51:49.119 problem with for the most part, because I think it's like in service of 764 00:51:49.280 --> 00:51:52.280 just like let's do this really cool thing. But there were moments where I'm 765 00:51:52.360 --> 00:51:57.920 like, wait a minute, yep, how does that work? The whole 766 00:51:58.239 --> 00:52:00.239 crap that that one scene, I was like, wow, they pull the 767 00:52:00.280 --> 00:52:05.400 body in the bed and like apparently an entire pools worth like yes, swimming, 768 00:52:05.400 --> 00:52:09.880 Olympics swimming, ripping through the floor and like all the like cops are 769 00:52:09.920 --> 00:52:16.320 like vomiting and the outside it's incredible. Yeah, amazing, And then I 770 00:52:16.320 --> 00:52:20.039 thought the ending kind of sucked. Yeah, that's when that's when it turns 771 00:52:20.079 --> 00:52:22.440 on Home Alone. Yeah, it turns it Home Alone, which is like 772 00:52:22.119 --> 00:52:25.440 immediately like yeah, just like the second Friddy gets hit with like a mouth 773 00:52:25.519 --> 00:52:34.840 and he's like lhammer fall and he's he's like oh, like a cartoon like 774 00:52:34.920 --> 00:52:37.840 sound effect and You're like, okay, yeah, we we had mentioned this 775 00:52:37.880 --> 00:52:43.280 earlier we were talking about this off podcast. But like Wes Craven had like 776 00:52:43.320 --> 00:52:45.559 a knack for ending most of his films like that, like the first his 777 00:52:45.639 --> 00:52:50.519 earlier movies like Last House on the Left and Almost Positive Hills Have Eyes has 778 00:52:50.519 --> 00:52:52.599 a two Like he has a weird way of like I don't know if he 779 00:52:52.679 --> 00:52:57.880 knows how to if you just didn't know how to like write an exciting climax. 780 00:52:58.440 --> 00:53:00.719 But they always end with booby trap, Like they always end with like 781 00:53:00.760 --> 00:53:05.119 we're gonna get the bad guy with booby traps, like and that's just like 782 00:53:05.239 --> 00:53:07.440 and that that's what she did for Night Before or that's what they did with 783 00:53:07.559 --> 00:53:10.920 A Night Relm Street. And even as a kid, like I saw the 784 00:53:10.920 --> 00:53:14.719 movie when I was pretty young, and like that, even as a kid, 785 00:53:14.760 --> 00:53:17.159 I was kind of like, this is goofy, like very cartoonish. 786 00:53:17.280 --> 00:53:22.400 Yeah, very cartoonish, and then the the ending is like just kind of 787 00:53:22.400 --> 00:53:28.760 more confusing, and you're just like, what, like, so it fell 788 00:53:28.760 --> 00:53:34.280 flat, but that was a good That was a good prime rh for Deadly 789 00:53:34.760 --> 00:53:40.280 Friend, which uh it blew me away. I liked it more than The 790 00:53:40.519 --> 00:53:45.800 Night I liked it more than Scream and no one talks and no one talks 791 00:53:45.840 --> 00:53:49.920 about it. I've literally never heard of it until you told me about it. 792 00:53:49.920 --> 00:53:57.079 It is shocking how that like that movie has not hit like like like 793 00:53:57.760 --> 00:54:00.719 kind of has but not really. But it's like because of the type of 794 00:54:00.719 --> 00:54:04.280 movie you see like popping up at like le me the draft House, draft 795 00:54:04.280 --> 00:54:06.360 House, you know, like and like you know just like the sort of 796 00:54:06.360 --> 00:54:08.079 thing that you think. I think it's one of those movies that I'm surprised 797 00:54:08.079 --> 00:54:15.159 that like people are not showing it's incredible. Yeah. I genuinely loved it 798 00:54:15.199 --> 00:54:20.079 from start to finish. I mean I don't want I like, I don't 799 00:54:20.119 --> 00:54:22.159 want to spoil it because you were like, don't look at anything about it, 800 00:54:22.199 --> 00:54:24.519 and like you really don't because just like the direction it goes it is 801 00:54:24.599 --> 00:54:29.480 so yeah, it's it's so it's frustrating to talk about, especially like podcasts. 802 00:54:29.480 --> 00:54:31.880 All I could do is just influence people to just if you're looking for 803 00:54:31.920 --> 00:54:37.280 a movie to watch your spooky Halloween season, this is also Halloween. Yes, 804 00:54:37.519 --> 00:54:39.000 yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. There's a scene where they're turcker 805 00:54:39.039 --> 00:54:42.719 treating, like yeah, it's a Halloween film, Like it gives the vibe 806 00:54:42.719 --> 00:54:45.480 like it still is that sort of like fun Halloween thing. Amazon Prime. 807 00:54:45.519 --> 00:54:50.400 It is the best what three four dollars to ran you'll ever Yes, yes, 808 00:54:50.440 --> 00:54:53.760 and uh, it's one of those things where like we just can't tell 809 00:54:53.840 --> 00:55:00.639 you no, we just you just have to trust us. But it's it's 810 00:55:00.239 --> 00:55:04.400 but I do I think we can kind of talk about the development of it 811 00:55:04.400 --> 00:55:07.639 because afterwards you told me to look with the Wikipedia because I think it's fascinating. 812 00:55:07.320 --> 00:55:13.639 So that movie was originally PG. Thirteen and was not really like it 813 00:55:13.679 --> 00:55:17.599 didn't have the the Wes Craven is. So that's that's the whole thing, 814 00:55:17.679 --> 00:55:21.760 is like a Nightmare and Elmstry put West Craven on top of the world like 815 00:55:21.760 --> 00:55:24.599 in the in the Horror movie like the Posters, like the next Horror Master. 816 00:55:24.719 --> 00:55:28.679 Yeah, from the Master of Horror, West Cravey like that was just 817 00:55:28.679 --> 00:55:30.639 like name that was so he was the guy nyro alms Street came out huge 818 00:55:30.639 --> 00:55:35.800 commercial success. It went on to get a sequel that he didn't even write 819 00:55:35.880 --> 00:55:38.920 or direct, and which is a choice. Which is a choice. It 820 00:55:39.079 --> 00:55:43.679 is a choice. Uh, And I don't think he even came out to 821 00:55:43.679 --> 00:55:49.000 direct any of them until a New Nightmare, which is like the six. 822 00:55:49.280 --> 00:55:52.679 I do remember hearing that like a piece of trivia with Nightmare two, where 823 00:55:52.679 --> 00:55:57.480 they apparently didn't even get Robert England at first for like like they like for 824 00:55:57.639 --> 00:56:00.719 apparently for like the first week of shooting they were like, even Robert and 825 00:56:00.760 --> 00:56:02.199 we'll just get another guy. And then they like shot that first week and 826 00:56:02.239 --> 00:56:07.880 said, oh we need him at least, so like they really thought they 827 00:56:07.880 --> 00:56:12.559 could just make it work on name alone. Yeah, and uh, Wes 828 00:56:12.679 --> 00:56:15.159 Craven, they were like new line I think wasn't new lines in the movie 829 00:56:15.519 --> 00:56:16.480 they friend. I don't know. All I know is Wes Craven is on 830 00:56:16.480 --> 00:56:20.039 the top of the world. And it just seemed like this perfect storm, 831 00:56:20.119 --> 00:56:22.800 which like, well, he's a big name and et is big and uh 832 00:56:22.840 --> 00:56:28.840 like big Hollywood blockbuster kid movies like Gremlins, Like let's just put it all 833 00:56:28.880 --> 00:56:30.880 together. Yeah, but you need to make a family film, but uh, 834 00:56:31.320 --> 00:56:35.679 it needs to be a Wes Craven movie, and Wes Cravens only made 835 00:56:35.719 --> 00:56:42.679 horror films at this point. And then you basically get Deadly Friend, which 836 00:56:43.320 --> 00:56:45.639 first a PG thirteen film. Yeah, and then they brought it to the 837 00:56:45.800 --> 00:56:49.199 to the to the big wigs, and it was like, wait a minute, 838 00:56:49.199 --> 00:56:52.559 this was this is Wes Craven. This needs to be a horror film. 839 00:56:52.599 --> 00:56:54.480 So they had to do a bunch of reshoots to basically shove a bunch 840 00:56:54.559 --> 00:57:00.280 of like Friday or Nightmare on Elm Street esque scenes into the movie, brought 841 00:57:00.280 --> 00:57:01.920 it back, brought it back, and then the funniest part about this is 842 00:57:01.920 --> 00:57:06.599 apparently they were like, this is actually too violent. It's too much. 843 00:57:06.880 --> 00:57:08.400 You need to tone it back. So then they toned it back down, 844 00:57:08.519 --> 00:57:13.119 and that's the version was released. So there's two other versions of this movie. 845 00:57:13.519 --> 00:57:19.760 One that is like just like a normal dramas and I still did I 846 00:57:19.800 --> 00:57:22.320 still don't know how the film would even work as a PG thirteen movie. 847 00:57:22.400 --> 00:57:23.800 I don't know either. I still have no idea how that movie would make 848 00:57:23.840 --> 00:57:27.760 any sense. So you hear all that and you'd think, well, obviously 849 00:57:27.800 --> 00:57:30.079 this final version it would be a mess. But I think it actually works. 850 00:57:30.159 --> 00:57:35.039 I think it works super effectively. I think if that film were to 851 00:57:35.079 --> 00:57:37.239 have come out as a PG thirteen film, it would have just been a 852 00:57:37.280 --> 00:57:39.159 fucking horrible movie. Oh I agree, it would have just been a bad 853 00:57:39.199 --> 00:57:42.519 weird No. I think it had just been a bad weird movie. And 854 00:57:42.599 --> 00:57:44.480 then if you put it out and like and then like, I mean, 855 00:57:44.519 --> 00:57:46.079 but like you know this in the hard arm, we will never know. 856 00:57:46.119 --> 00:57:52.239 But I think like by making it an R rated horror film in the end, 857 00:57:52.960 --> 00:57:58.559 you it actually like kind of like makes the unintentional like weirdness and campiness 858 00:57:58.559 --> 00:58:00.880 in that movie, like it's so much better together. Yeah, It's like 859 00:58:01.119 --> 00:58:04.559 you think they wouldn't gel, but it like totally does because yeah, like 860 00:58:04.599 --> 00:58:07.719 that movie, the it's an hour and a half the first hour, there 861 00:58:07.800 --> 00:58:13.840 aren't any kills they add like a dream sequence. Yes, that is very 862 00:58:13.920 --> 00:58:16.599 good. It feels very inappropriate. It feels so like we just need to 863 00:58:16.599 --> 00:58:21.599 add a Friday like that. I was saying that scene, like the character 864 00:58:21.639 --> 00:58:23.559 in that scene, he's almost acting like it reminded me of like Residenteval seven, 865 00:58:23.639 --> 00:58:25.920 You're acting like Jack Baker. Yes, And I was just like, 866 00:58:27.000 --> 00:58:30.239 what is it going on? This is so it's so it's a tonal whiplash, 867 00:58:30.960 --> 00:58:31.760 And before I even realized it was a dream, I was like, 868 00:58:31.760 --> 00:58:35.159 all right, well this is the direction the movie is going in. And 869 00:58:35.159 --> 00:58:37.360 then it takes it back for a sec. But yeah, like that first 870 00:58:37.440 --> 00:58:39.760 hour, like nothing happens, and then the last half hour it's just like 871 00:58:40.360 --> 00:58:44.599 here you go, and it's kind of amazing. Yeah, but that first 872 00:58:44.639 --> 00:58:50.039 hour I think is actually still genuinely interesting because like, even though it's not 873 00:58:50.280 --> 00:58:53.199 it doesn't go full on the in the horror gore, the plot twist that 874 00:58:53.280 --> 00:58:57.639 it takes is sure is something. I mean, we could at least talk 875 00:58:57.639 --> 00:59:01.400 about BB. We could talk about BB, the robot who they decided to 876 00:59:01.440 --> 00:59:07.119 give like the voice of like he sounds both like the jawas for like the 877 00:59:07.159 --> 00:59:12.719 seller's new both a little like what like the ones that like steal arts yeah 878 00:59:12.760 --> 00:59:15.440 and Gizmo and yes, like if they took that in the Gremlins and Gizmo 879 00:59:15.480 --> 00:59:19.039 and likes gating. So what if the robot has that voice? And you're 880 00:59:19.079 --> 00:59:23.199 like, I never understand what he's saying. No, you never like mumbling 881 00:59:23.239 --> 00:59:28.960 to him. He's just mumbling to himself, and you're like the guy who 882 00:59:28.960 --> 00:59:31.280 made him, You're like, why did you when you do this? Also, 883 00:59:32.000 --> 00:59:35.559 he's like at first you're like, oh, he's like a teen, 884 00:59:35.760 --> 00:59:37.639 and then he's like going to college and he's like I'm going to call it, 885 00:59:37.719 --> 00:59:39.840 like yeah, is he even college? No? No? No, 886 00:59:39.679 --> 00:59:45.960 no. So he meets he meets his friend Ted or Tom, who, 887 00:59:45.119 --> 00:59:47.800 by the way, looks a lot like Chris Pine, but isn't Chris Pine, 888 00:59:49.880 --> 00:59:51.639 which I thought, like I was like, is that Chris Pine? 889 00:59:51.760 --> 00:59:52.679 Like no, Chris Pine would be way too young, Like that's not. 890 00:59:53.360 --> 00:59:55.960 But he's like, oh, are you like in tenth grade? He's like, 891 00:59:57.199 --> 00:59:59.880 oh, actually, I'm like in college because I'm taking I'm like, 892 01:00:00.039 --> 01:00:01.960 he's like a smart kid. But then it cuts to him and he's like 893 01:00:02.079 --> 01:00:06.599 teaching a lecture. Yes, And I was like, how old is this 894 01:00:06.679 --> 01:00:10.239 guy? But then during the trick or Treat scene, they're like they're like 895 01:00:10.280 --> 01:00:15.360 pouring like cream on like a cop car and like acting like they're fucking thirteen 896 01:00:15.400 --> 01:00:19.480 years old. And I was like, I have no idea, Chara are. 897 01:00:19.639 --> 01:00:21.239 I was like, he's in high school. No, no, he's 898 01:00:21.280 --> 01:00:23.599 in college. But wait is he like is he working for that one doctor 899 01:00:23.719 --> 01:00:27.559 he is? Yeah, so that makes no. This kid is like a 900 01:00:27.599 --> 01:00:32.280 brain surgeon. He's like a brain slash robotics surgeon. Like he's like a 901 01:00:32.280 --> 01:00:37.400 brain surgeon who also like built like the most advanced robot ever who lives at 902 01:00:37.440 --> 01:00:44.360 home. Yeah, it's incredible. Uh but yeah, like the design of 903 01:00:44.360 --> 01:00:47.920 of BB is like just classic eighties like, oh, I know, and 904 01:00:47.960 --> 01:00:52.320 it's always because I think Short Circuit came out after oh Wow, and he 905 01:00:52.400 --> 01:00:57.760 has that sort of like short Circuit sort of like I like, yeah a 906 01:00:57.760 --> 01:01:00.079 little bit, so I think short Circuit just wanted to be deadly friend. 907 01:01:00.639 --> 01:01:04.159 But did they went the more winsical, but they went the you know, 908 01:01:04.400 --> 01:01:07.280 he's got the darkness in him. Yeah, he's just got a very strong 909 01:01:07.320 --> 01:01:09.360 sense of justice. That's the you know, that's it. I think bb 910 01:01:09.599 --> 01:01:12.679 like, that's the whole thing. I think Bbe in the end is like, 911 01:01:12.760 --> 01:01:15.079 you know is an anti hero. He's like yeah, he's he is 912 01:01:15.119 --> 01:01:19.480 trying to do good things, uh and serve the injustice of the world. 913 01:01:19.559 --> 01:01:22.840 That's just you know how that comes about all that, How the execs reacted 914 01:01:22.880 --> 01:01:27.239 to that and was like, nah, this needs to be Uh you need 915 01:01:27.280 --> 01:01:29.199 to have something you need. I can't. I can't say it. You 916 01:01:29.199 --> 01:01:31.639 need There's just one scene in that movie that just pushes it over the end. 917 01:01:31.679 --> 01:01:36.119 Yeah, it's incredible. It is the scene. So if anybody, 918 01:01:36.320 --> 01:01:40.079 like anybody's listening, I cannot, like, go watch Deadly. It's a 919 01:01:40.119 --> 01:01:44.840 ton of fun. Yeah. It's a great group of friends together. Absolutely. 920 01:01:44.920 --> 01:01:46.280 Yeah. Yeah, definitely one of those kinds of movies. Get a 921 01:01:46.320 --> 01:01:50.400 group of friends together, have a great time. You will not regret it, 922 01:01:50.679 --> 01:01:54.039 right, I agree? Perfect, Yeah, thank you for putting me 923 01:01:54.079 --> 01:01:57.599 on that one. Dude. It like it came to me like lightning last 924 01:01:57.599 --> 01:01:59.679 week when you're talking about horror movies to watch, and I was like, 925 01:01:59.719 --> 01:02:02.199 wait, there's something like there's weird calling to me right now. I like 926 01:02:02.199 --> 01:02:06.199 I have one because I because I was like, I've only seen that movie. 927 01:02:06.360 --> 01:02:07.559 I've only seen that movie recently. Yeah, you know, like I 928 01:02:07.559 --> 01:02:10.599 grew up like knowing about Wes Craven and horror films and all this jazz. 929 01:02:12.239 --> 01:02:15.239 H. And also I feel so I've read it again for our listeners who 930 01:02:15.599 --> 01:02:17.280 enjoy the first half of our video game chat and then turn into it the 931 01:02:17.360 --> 01:02:24.239 end turns into a horror movie chat. Uh the uh. I had only 932 01:02:24.239 --> 01:02:28.519 found out about that film like in the past year or two, and like, 933 01:02:28.599 --> 01:02:30.320 I don't even remember how. And I think it came from doing an 934 01:02:30.360 --> 01:02:35.360 IMDb rabbit hole of trying to like watch you know. I sometimes it we'll 935 01:02:35.360 --> 01:02:37.320 do is I'll pick a director an actor and just be like, yeah, 936 01:02:37.360 --> 01:02:38.519 let's just go. Let's just like fly down there, let's go the first 937 01:02:38.559 --> 01:02:40.199 thing they do, and like, I think it's just like I don't know 938 01:02:40.199 --> 01:02:44.880 if the Deadly Friend is. I've never heard of this, and holy hotchnikes, 939 01:02:45.280 --> 01:02:50.679 I am so glad I watched it. Yeah, incredible needs more respect. 940 01:02:51.199 --> 01:02:52.679 No one seems to appreciate it the way you and me do, at 941 01:02:52.800 --> 01:02:57.440 least not the user reviews. Yeah, like, which shocks me the most. 942 01:02:57.559 --> 01:03:00.280 Yeah, weirdly, like I mean, like I was to use the 943 01:03:00.320 --> 01:03:02.440 reviews with a I know, but even like usually that's like usually that's like 944 01:03:02.480 --> 01:03:05.519 you know, I feel like for something like that the Friend, that's where 945 01:03:05.559 --> 01:03:07.880 you would see you know, where the critics didn't get it or maybe the 946 01:03:07.880 --> 01:03:12.599 critics didn't care at the time and right, but who knows. Like contextually, 947 01:03:12.639 --> 01:03:15.719 it's so different for how what viewers looked in a film at the time, 948 01:03:15.800 --> 01:03:19.199 and they were probably like exactly what it was, which was like, 949 01:03:19.239 --> 01:03:22.599 what is this? I thought this was like Wes Craven movie, what's going 950 01:03:22.679 --> 01:03:25.920 on with? Put up with these kids? And like in a robot that's 951 01:03:25.920 --> 01:03:30.840 like constant gurgling to itself, like what's happening here? Uh So, as 952 01:03:30.880 --> 01:03:31.800 you know, I think at the time, people probably went in being like 953 01:03:31.840 --> 01:03:35.440 I want the next Wes Craven horror film, I want the next Nightmare and 954 01:03:35.440 --> 01:03:37.760 Austria and they get that and they're like what the fuck was this? Yeah? 955 01:03:37.840 --> 01:03:43.880 Yeah, totally. I mean yeah, I think horror in general it's 956 01:03:43.920 --> 01:03:47.400 really hard to like, uh sell outside of just like you know, like 957 01:03:49.440 --> 01:03:53.360 like the classic example I always think of is Crimson Peak, the film. 958 01:03:53.360 --> 01:03:55.679 I love that movie. I think that movie is great, but it is 959 01:03:57.320 --> 01:04:02.599 a Victorian era like Jane Off romance movie with some ghosts in it. Yes, 960 01:04:04.280 --> 01:04:10.840 but it was absolutely like the studio was trying to be like like maybe 961 01:04:10.880 --> 01:04:13.719 they were selling it like it's the next conjuring, Like they were really trying 962 01:04:13.719 --> 01:04:16.519 to sell it. And so like I went with a friend who we're both 963 01:04:16.840 --> 01:04:23.079 Guilmel del Toro fans, saw it for first and foremost. We're there because 964 01:04:23.079 --> 01:04:25.960 we love him, saw it and we're like that was great. Yeah, 965 01:04:26.320 --> 01:04:30.440 I think everyone else is fucking hated it, like like like I remember like 966 01:04:30.480 --> 01:04:33.679 this one like family and this like one Dad just like he just seemed like 967 01:04:33.760 --> 01:04:39.159 he was like, what the fuck was that nonsense? It was scary, 968 01:04:39.159 --> 01:04:42.360 you don't happened, And like, you know, the movie has some weird 969 01:04:42.400 --> 01:04:45.320 twists and that I imagine just if you're not prepared for you'd be like what. 970 01:04:45.440 --> 01:04:49.400 But you know, I think it's hard to market movies and aren't like 971 01:04:49.559 --> 01:04:55.679 Olso didn't Kristen Pek come out after Pacific It did? Yeah, that's interesting. 972 01:04:55.840 --> 01:04:59.519 It is. It was like I was gonna say, it's not like 973 01:04:59.719 --> 01:05:01.400 I'm in this one for me because I think Pacific rim he also made for 974 01:05:03.800 --> 01:05:06.719 him. Yes, but it was an easy cell I think for like a 975 01:05:06.719 --> 01:05:11.679 studio where like Crimsy Peak is like, no, this was just for him, 976 01:05:11.719 --> 01:05:14.320 like they were like you can make her yeah, because he had hell 977 01:05:14.400 --> 01:05:18.519 Boy one and two and the yeah Grim played too, and then yeah and 978 01:05:18.559 --> 01:05:24.159 then like Pacific rim even though that film wasn't not a commercial success, it 979 01:05:24.199 --> 01:05:27.880 was still this like cultural I don't know, like it's like talked about. 980 01:05:27.920 --> 01:05:31.360 Remember Crimson Peak is maybe his more underlooked film. Yeah, I agree with 981 01:05:31.360 --> 01:05:35.079 that, remember that and people like remember Shape of Water and oh stuff. 982 01:05:35.119 --> 01:05:43.760 But yeah, yeah, that's it. That's it. Well ended. There 983 01:05:43.840 --> 01:05:47.719 was getting Kurt with Kurt on this week of what's the podcast called after Dark? 984 01:05:47.199 --> 01:05:53.360 After Dark, Episode two thirteen. Oh you stayed it for the end 985 01:05:53.519 --> 01:05:59.320 for October thirteenth. We didn't even lead with that. No, we didn't 986 01:05:59.599 --> 01:06:03.840 because I just remembered it right now. Amazing. Yeah, Well thanks for 987 01:06:03.840 --> 01:06:08.400 watching everyone or listening, not watching just us, justus, just two of 988 01:06:08.480 --> 01:06:14.880 us. Yeah. I think a more typical podcast will happen next week, 989 01:06:14.920 --> 01:06:17.440 probably because I think everyone is going to be back from uh, from their 990 01:06:17.559 --> 01:06:20.679 their responsibilities from a wedding. From a wedding. Yeah, they all went 991 01:06:20.679 --> 01:06:23.760 to a wedding. Yeah, all of them went to a wedding to get 992 01:06:23.760 --> 01:06:27.719 to marry each other. Yes, yeah, yes, so everyone's gonna come 993 01:06:27.760 --> 01:06:32.039 back married and you will be shocked at who married who you tune in next 994 01:06:32.039 --> 01:06:36.400 week to find out who. The answer I might surprise you. Yeah cool? 995 01:06:36.519 --> 01:06:42.320 All right right anyway, bye, all right, see you guys. 996 01:06:42.320 --> 01:06:47.079 See folks, thank you watch a who watch Deadly Friend? And oh give 997 01:06:47.119 --> 01:06:49.559 us a review once you watched. Yeah, if you've made it this far, 998 01:06:50.760 --> 01:06:57.159 tweet at Jean Luke and I Kurt if you watch, say we watched 999 01:06:57.199 --> 01:07:01.119 Deadley Friend? Yeah or well no, because I can't. I was gonna 1000 01:07:01.159 --> 01:07:04.559 say, tweet this specific worry, but I can't because like anybody could just 1001 01:07:04.599 --> 01:07:06.159 tweet that. No, no, no, no, I just want to 1002 01:07:06.159 --> 01:07:10.119 know, like if you watched it, yeah, anytime I told me if 1003 01:07:10.119 --> 01:07:11.840 you like it, and I just want to I don't know. I don't 1004 01:07:11.840 --> 01:07:16.840 care A right, I don't really A very cool tells if you watched it? 1005 01:07:16.960 --> 01:07:41.400 All right? All right? By folk Spy