Welcome to another night at the round Table. Tonight we'll be going over a
documentary I Know What I Saw two thousand and nine History Channel. Is it
a History Channel original? By the way, you got me Zinger, I'm
David. Well, this is Derek, and I'll chime in. I think
History has something to do with it because they're on the little poster. They're
in IMDb. But my guess is it was something filmed independently in History Channel
picked it up. I'm going with that because at the beginning of the one
I watched as the you know UFO Network or t UFO TV. I think
it is. Yeah, yeah, yeah, So so we watched I Know
What I Saw, which is an older documentary one hundred and thirty two minutes.
We did not watch the Lifetime original movie I Know What I Saw,
because there's also that that came out in two thousand and seven, and we
did not read the book by m Linda Godfried. I Know What I Saw.
That's a good book. That's a good book. Yeah it is.
And also on that fun note, she also has a book called Monsters among
Us. We watched this documentary and I gotta say it wasn't bad. It's
just blatantly outdated from two thousand and nine because it was not the documentary I
thought it was until I started watching it. So this was my pick.
My bad, but I may I gathered some stuff from this, so I
think we can salvage this, guys. Unless you've got any positive things to
say about the documentary front, I liked it. I thought it was pretty
good actually, in terms of just kind of collecting and archiving a lot of
different sightings and stuff, including some well known ones and lesser known ones.
I thought it was pretty good for what it was. I think the director,
James Fox did some good stuff with it, which we can get into
later. I definitely want to get into that. Derek Um, Yeah,
I actually did like it as well, although I will admit it was very
dry. It's been a long day for me and I'm just kind of nodding
off there a few times. And maybe to me, you know, I
knew every one of these stories. Nothing here was a surprise to me.
Humble brag, But maybe that had something to do with, you know,
the the mundane fashion of the film. But like you said, it's from
two thousand and nine, so it's a little older. It's not brand new,
so it's it moved a little slower and that kind of thing. But
there was a lot of good information, like Flora said, which is what
I decided to do with this, was to go over some of the sightings
and stuff they talked about and get our three's opinion on each of them,
since I feel like that would be a great way to go over this.
It's fresh and arm minds everything. So the initial documentary starts off with them
talking about the Phoenix Lights, the Phoenix Slice, of course, taking place
in March of nineteen ninety seven, So God, that's getting up there in
time now. I'm just thirty years ago, closer to thirty years than twenty
so. But but this this sign took place, of course, over Phoenix
and over the states of Nevada and Arizona. So I guess I'm gonna go
to the expert, the the self proclaimed expert Derek Hays first for this one.
Derek, what are your thoughts on the Phoenix Lights? I think David
and I both just puckered up at the same time. Well, you you
claimed it, so go for it, man. I don't. I don't
know that I claimed it. But the Phoenix Lights. So that was certainly
an interesting series of events there, and one of the things that to this
day still catches my attention is in this documentary is a really good example.
They talk to all the witnesses out there and you actually see their passion and
what they're talking about what they claim to have seen. And on top of
that, there was two different sets of sightings that night. There was the
early sighting, which was the quote unquote legitimate sighting, and then an hour
or so later there was what looked like military flares drop in the exact same
place, which to me sounds like some sort of cover up was going on.
You know, I'm not an expert on the Phoenix lights, despite what
Singer thinks, but if I had to say, I would say that something
showed up in the military kind of swooped into to cover it up. All
right, What about you? I think Derek hit all the points on that.
I feel the same way. The first sighting that you could track across
state lines with the sightings that people had in the reports, I think that's
a lot more legitimate, and the one that was over the mountain out there,
which we have one at least one video of that's pretty famous. Where
you see the lights kind of flickering out here and there. Somebody has has
put up a kind of an outline of that mountain in the daytime, and
it I think, according to them, it seems like it corresponds to them
disappearing behind that mountain in spots, and that's why it's so kind of random.
Which one's blink in and out or not in. I guess they just
blink out. But yeah, I'm with Derek. I think that the first
one was a lot more legitimate. You have a ton of people that report
it and see it, and that's what makes it so compelling. And then
somebody either either some and was coincidental with flares, you know, out there
dropping that night they had it on the on the books, or they swooped
in and were like, shoot, this is something we either don't know or
it is one of ours that was going so fast that pilot didn't know what
to do and so and so let's get some flares up there and just tell
everybody it's flares. Yeah, I don't know. So so one of the
things they point out is that this was all done by a ten aircraft,
which not a super military expert, not super familiar with everything that flies in
the sky. But if I'm remembering correctly, I feel a ten ward hogs
are if I remember correctly, they have a very noticeable sound. Yeah,
and you have a you have a clip of that sound right right here.
I'm inserting it right here. Wow, thank you, thank you. Um
No, I mean it's a very noticeable sound that's supposed to have and no
one reported that. Yeah, and it's these these also, A tens are
not like you know, the jets that fly there. They're the big things
with the machine guns on the front that are designed to take out tanks.
They're not meant for like super high flying or stuff like that. So it's
really weird that that would be the go to excuse of all it was a
tens. There was the fact that a lot of people just sit It was
silent too that first second. Yeah, and these have very distinct engine sounds
to them, which I'm pretty sure people are to report, But all jets
do. I mean, if you think about it, there's not too many
aircraft out there that are silent, especially back in ninety seven. Yeah,
the drone technology just simply wasn't there. Unless this was an early drone who
knows, but no, I want I wanted to pick pick Carol's brain about
this one and everything, because I mean, like you said, it's there,
there's a lot of this that's unexplained. And not to sound super conspiracy
theorist, but I think the government knows more about this than they're lighting on.
And this is the kind of disclosure I would want, because this was
before we had soft disclosure and before we add to the Stars Academy stuff that
I'm sure stuff like the press conference, stuff like that they touch on in
this that sort of leads to what we know now years later. But moving
onto the next siding they talked about, or the next siding that I felt
was pertinent for us to discuss the thing that kicked off this whole flying saucer
craze. Kenneth Kenneth Arnold siding taking place in June of nineteen forty seven,
Kenneth Arnold claims to have seen a string of nine shiny, unidentified flying objects
as he flew past Mount Rainier. The estimate speed was twelve hundred miles an
hour. So, Flora, I'm gonna swing the ball in your court for
this one. I have no Um, there's nothing I can say that would
debunk this. I don't think there's anything to debunk. It's it's a citing
that he had. He's a pilot and he was pretty vehement about what he
saw and there were multiple I think saucer shaped objects that he saw. Wasn't
there, There wasn't just one that was bouncing around. It was like seven
to nine. Yeah, it seven to nine. I think it's it's interesting
and yeah, I don't know what. I don't know that you could really
say one thing or another confidently about it because at that time, I mean
forty seven, that's very early days with even jet fighters. So if they're
seeing something that maneuvers, just like he said, if that's true, then
yeah, that there's something going on there that is beyond human capacity at the
time. Anyway, the thing that gets me about this case is, uh,
it's like two weeks later Roswell takes place. Yeah, and between Kenneth
Arnold's sighting Roswell and I think there was one other. I don't know if
it was like Shag Harbor or sometimes. Um the Maury Island Maury Island incident
had had them backwards. One ones in Seattle and the other ones in Maine,
I think, or Newfoundland or something. Yeah, the oppositens of the
country. But they happened right around the same time. And I think that
was the first men in black case to the Maury Island, which is funny
because the Kenneth Arnold case was the first use of the term flying saucer.
He described them as skipping across the sky like I think it's in this documentary
actually he says this clip. He describes them skipping across what looked like the
water like a like a saucer would. So then the papers picked it up
all the flying saucer, yeah, because they talked about before that. During
World War Two they would be known as food Fighters, which is where we
get the band name the Food Fighters from. Uh. The other interesting thing
about this I can't remember. I think it's a popular mechanics um cover where
it has like the swooped wing sort of flying object that, yes, it
looks flyin saucer with a bite taken out of it is basically what it looks
like. Yeah, and it looks reminiscent enough to us nowadays, like oh
that that looks vaguely like a bomber like one of our stealth bombers, I
said, vaguely, but it's like, it's weird that correlation that my mind
goes to seeing that now with our present day of mind, was that what
was flying around back then. I'm not saying it was. I'm just saying
it's a weird sort of correlation. But of course correlations not causation. My
thing is that's what kicked off the whole craze. And I found it interesting
that they used him to sort of do other investigations too for a little bit,
because I'm like, was he the expert after that of like, oh
he saw this, bring him in. But also I keep thinking Morey Island
was, like Derek was on the other side of the country. I keep
forgetting it was near where he lived, So it's not like that out there,
I guess. And there's something strange about that area. His sighting was
over the Olympics in Washington State, and I get a ton of report UFO
reports from not only Washington State but to Pacific Northwest in general. I mean
dozens upon dozens compared to other places. So there's something strange going on up
there. I just, you know, don't know what it is. That's
well, I guess it's not that close to Mount Shasta, but that's another
place that kind of a hot spot. That's northern California. But there there
has been some talk about those places, at least Mount Shasta and stuff in
the Pacific Northwest. Mountain wise, that is one of the entrances to the
Hollow Earth, and that's why lots of stuff comes in and out of their
Batsquatch even has been linked to some of that stuff. But I think the
from what I'm seeing online, the stealth bomber you were you were mentioning when
we got around to designing that, that was that wasn't until like the mid
seventies that I think they even started designing it. So that's, you know,
almost thirty years later, allegedly. I was about to say, I
was about to say, if you guys remember there was a show on sci
Fi called um oh gosh, I'm trying remember what it was. Wasn't signed?
It was like Steven Spielberg exactually produced it, Dakota Fanning. Wasn't it
taken? Taken? Yeah? Yeah, And there's a scene in there where
it's like right after World War Two, like about ten years later, and
they had the stealth bombers flying around the base and they're like, yeah,
we're not going to be disclosing those for about another twenty. Sorry. That
just made me think of that show, which I haven't seen in years,
so god knows how good that is anymore, from if it even holds up.
But like that, that's something like very very point in time, speaking
a point in time and staying in Oregon. Something I found interesting was we
get the mcmonville UFO photos. They're the one that looks like the pie,
Like literally looks like a pie. Someone took a pie saucer and threw it
up in the air from mcmnville, Oregon, taken in nineteen fifty. They're
also known as the Trent UFO photos. So I was about to say they
showed it, and I think they interviewed the photographer's wife because he had passed
on by then. I don't know if you guys wanted to talk about these
real quick. It looks fake, like they look so fake, but they're
always held up as such legit photos. You know. It's funny. When
I was a kid, I always had those Readers Digests paranormal book series.
Yeah, I didn't have them my grandparents had him, and whenever I go
over there, I just dive into those things. And the UFO book was
obviously one of my favorites. In the mcmn photo was in there. Mcmanville.
Sorry, and uh, I thought the same thing when I was a
kid, like seven, eight nine years old. I'm thinking, this looks
like a pie plate. Looks like they just threw it up there and took
the picture. But yeah, like you said, it's held in high regard
for some reason. I'm not entirely sure, and maybe I might be wrong
on this. I get a lot of these confused lately. But did they
just release new photographs of the mcmhnville case that were that were held up by
the government for some reason, maybe mixing this up with a different case.
But maybe three months ago there was a new picture that was released involving one
of these famous old cases. Um, While David responds, I'm going to
take a look. I'm I'm looking at the photo right now, and you
can tell, you know, it's a it looks like someone through a hotel
bellboy bell. You know, it's kind of kind of a flat bottom to
it, and then you can see there's a little dome and something there on
top. But I'm I'm wondering when when we see, especially old pictures,
I always wonder about shutter speed things like that with cameras because it's hard today
to capture something moving with the phone. That just doesn't make it a mess.
Um. And so I'm just wondering, you know what, what do
you guys think about photos that look very pristine and what you're looking at,
um, even if it was thrown in the air, you'd think there'd be
some kind of blur. Right. Well, there's I think there's three total
photos. You have like one where it's sort of banking. You have one
words more straight on and I can't remember what the other one is. But
and it is taken in quick succession and you didn't have like automode or anything
like that on these. It's there. It's it's compelling. How much of
the test the time this is this is held up to though, like it's
something. I mean, I don't ever see anything saying it was hoaxed or
someone came out like with Nessie the famous surgeon's photo and on their deathbed,
whin I was the one that that was that made the boat like the there
there's no one saying I'm the one that flew the through the byton, So
I don't know. I don't go ahead, Derek. I was just gonna
chime in with what David was saying. Maybe back in the day, and
I don't know what camera was used, and you know, I'm not a
camera expert either, but I think back then the cameras were kind of cheaper,
and they had like a wide focus range or a focal length so that
they could accommodate any range. If you're taking a close up picture, then
you're in focus. If you're taking a distant shot, is going to be
in focus. And the camera speed determines how blurry things are. So if
it was bright outside, the camera speed's probably really quick and that'll cut down
on any blurring of the image. One thing I want to point out,
and I didn't really realize it until just now. I googled it too while
you guys were talking, And do you guys remember I think it was the
Nimits or the one of those that came. Oh here it is, actually
I just found it. Let me tell you which one. This one is
Killer radio right here. It's one of those military I'm still trying to find
which one. This one's off the coast of Florida, so if narrows it
down to anybody, But it's the same shape that this mcminville UFO is.
It's a it's like an oval and then uh, it's got that little point
on the top that looks like a like a kaiser's helmet from World War One
or something. Fight the you guys able to find this this image that sounds
like that one picture of the mcminville. It's because it's got something sticking up
in the middle of it. Yeah, it's just got a little point at
the top. Now in the gimbal that's the name of this one, because
it looks like a gimbal. I believe I type go fast. I type
because I thought it was the go fact. Oh no, go fast.
The other ones all typing it pulled up, both of them. It looks
like it has the top on both sides almost. That is weird. I
was about to say, Derek, thank you. That is very I would
have never thought to put those two pieces together because it was gonna what's the
date on that second one, Florida UM twenty ten? I believe whoa that
was? Whoa? Sixty years later, Yeah, that's a slow flight,
well at all across America. You got to assume that. You know,
if you keep seeing the same shape over and over and it's reported over and
over, photographed over and over, that's going to mean something. Um,
even if it's the same hoaxer or something, you know, it means something.
Well, I tricked that guy in Oregon. I'm gonna trick the US
Navy now. But huh, just chucks it in the air. I said,
there's a lot of there's other ones that I didn't type on here,
but I mean if you searched mcmonville photo, um and go to images there,
there is like a few of the other ones I cannot remember. It's
the one where the guy took it and it was like flying across in front
of his um, his car or his truck, and he took several photos
of it. And it's the smoker smoke ring at the end you talking about.
I was about to say, there's gonna know but not remember the names.
I don't know the name yet, but I unfamiliar with the image.
Images had pulled up too, And that's the that's a sad part um.
So I guess moving on, why I look that up to this on the
side. Um, I guess our conclusion on this is, I mean,
it looks fake, but maybe legit. We're talking about mcmonville, Yeah,
yeah, we're well. I guess conclusion to the mcmonville photo host, Yeah,
who knows. I mean there's a long time ago speaking people take it
seriously, so who knows. Speaking of inconclusive um findings, Project blue Book
the US government's effort from nineteen fifty two to nineteen sixty nine to basically be
like there's nothing in the sky and proceeded of course by Project Grudge and Project
sign and the basically their summation on this was, yeah, there's there's nothing
for you guys to worry about. But it took John Heineck from a very
solid in the camp of these are fake to being very skeptical by the end
of it. I don't okay. I went to David for the last one.
Go into Derek for this one. Derek thoughts on the Project Bluebook and
the fact that it turned Heineck from a skeptic to a believer by the end,
and is Swampcastle legitimate thing that you get reports of on your show?
I first I questioned whether or not Heinick changed his mind. I'm kind of
in the understanding that he thought this way the whole time and he just wasn't
able to verbalize any of this information. And actually there was clips in this
documentary that kept that supported that theory. They showed two juxtaposing clips, one
from I don't know, the sixties at some point and the other one was
from the late seventies. And he's just he's contradicting himself the entire time,
and that tells me that, you know, the program's over, he's no
longer working with the government. He can be a little more loose lipped,
I think ten years later. Yeah, all right, And what was the
other what was the other question? Oh? No, just I just was
saying your thoughts on Project Blue Book with them basically summing up everything as oh
well, I think what was it They only like found like five percent was
unexplained by the end of it, or they claimed only five percent was unexplained.
Was this the government attempting to cover up something or do you think they
were putting in a legit effort the whole time they were covering everything up?
A Blue Blue Book wasn't for us? Well, Let's let me rephrase that
it was for us, but not how we think it was. It was
designed to deceive us, to keep us in the dark, in the dark
of what I don't know. I don't I don't know what was out there
that they were keeping from us, but that's definitely what that program was set
up for. It was either it was either that or it was it was
just run by somebody who didn't care. That's I got. I've written a
lot of stuff about it that it seemed like one of the guy, at
least one of the guys in charge, was just like, yeah, yeah,
yeah, get your report in here. Who cares. Let's just sign
off on this and get it back. Who cares? Like that's kind of
the impression that I got. It. Nobody literally said that, but it
was kind of one of those military things where it's like, hey, will
you do this? All right? Fine, if I have to, let's
do this. Here's some reports. I don't know. I got that impression
of it, So yeah, I agree with Derek. It could either be
that it's completely for the public to shut him up, or it was just
kind of like a joke or taken as a joke by whoever was leading.
It just too old school for it or something, you know what I mean,
probably a little of all that. Yeah, but sorry that the Heinich
stuff like he was saying that later clip, which was like a Johnny Carson
or a knockoff Johnny Carson was uh he was. It sounded like he was
saying things that kind of pissed him off about the whole um project, the
whole thing he was involved with, where he was like, uh this,
you know, they they are changing things, they are doing stuff that is
not what we found or the reports and stuff we're not you know, adding
up to what was experienced, things like that. So it does seem like
he was a little more loose about what he was saying that that later stuff.
I I like Derek's response because I can also see the military assigning it
to somebody who did not want to do it. It was like, this
is a bum this is a bum thing. I'll do whatever I need to
do to get through the years of doing it and then I'm you know,
this is a means to and I can move on to something else afterwards,
and just did not take it seriously nor cared about it. Um, Yeah,
I'm sorry, go ahead, just no that and Heinich being like towing
the line at the beginning is also something I can totally see because I think
it is the swamp gas thing that that he like claimed like later that he
hated the fact that he had to say that. What was he the one
that was like, the military has like a list of stuff that they just
say things are like balloons, swamp gas, atmospheric conditions. Right, yeah,
um words a couple of times store. Yes, I've told you both
this story and I've brought up before. Um my family members of mine have
been in the military. My grandfather was a Navy officer for years. And
when I vaguely brought up years ago that I saw something in the sky,
his response was immediately like, oh, you must see in a rocket launch
or something. I'm like, there's no, there's no rockets around here.
That like, there's no launch pad. Oh it must have been a secret
one, okay whatever, And then and then he's like, you you don't
know what you saw, And I was like, I wasn't trying arms,
like, dude, I just saw something weird in the sky, and he
goes, it was probably swamp gas. I'm like, where I live in
Virginia seriously, and he goes, you don't know what you saw, don't
bring it up. You're gonna embarrass yourself. So he grew up a few
I mean, he was in the military a few years removed from Project Bluebook.
So I've never had the guts to ask follow up questions on that one
because he was very like. It was one of those moments. I very
rarely have seen my grandfather be like to the point on something, but that
was one of them. You think me the rest of the day. This
subject really gets under certain people. Again, you know, it makes people
feel really small, It makes people feel insignificant. It's terrifying. You think
about wherever these things come from, the future, different dimensions, outer space.
Who the hell knows wherever it is that makes them more powerful than we
are if they're able to travel here and do all this stuff. So we're
just ants in an ant hill essentially. So I could see why people would
be upset talking about it. It's a tough pill to swallow, not to
mention that other people have no problem doing being just like ha ha, you're
stupid, which isn't as bad anymore. But I don't think back in the
day yeah, apparently back in the day it was a big deal. And
I even remember as a kid like, I've always been interested in this,
so if the subject would come up, I'd be like, oh, what's
going on over here? You know, a little kid under the under the
legs listening, and uh, it's the same thing. Back in the eighties.
It was ridicule. It was making fun of people and yeah, oh,
how much did you have to drink? Or you know, something like
that. That came up a couple of times in this documentary, like somebody
you know, literally some of these witnesses were like, well, what was
he on? Blah blah blah, and it's like, dude, there are
there are certain drugs that make you hallucinate, and not everybody has access.
Light is not one of them. But not locking up a big old dube
that doesn't do anything. Come on, I went there, I drink,
let me, I changed plenty of booze, and I can tell you that
that does not make you see anything other than the floor a little quicker maybe,
and certain circumstances bingo or beauty where it's not perhaps I don't know,
but um that speaking of drinking and the eighties, Um rendalls from fourth incident.
I'm see because right there, because one it takes place in the eighties,
and two one of the excuses was, oh, everyone was freaking blitzed
out of their minds drunk from the Chris Dude party while on duty. So
December twenty sixth of December twenty eighth of nineteen eighty eighty over in Rendelshom Forest
near Stafforshire, England. I'm not gonna get into it. I'm not going
to go into every single detail with this because that's a podcast episode on its
own, which David, did you ever kind of that? Yeah? Sorry,
it's one of those I was I was really thinking. I'm like,
I feel like I remember you talking about it, but we've had so many
conversations, and Derek, have you had any reports of Rendelshom Forest activity recently?
I don't think, so I can't cool, all right, cool?
So this whole thing takes place between RF Woodbridge and the US Air Force base
that's there as well. Basically, they see something. There's plenty of recording,
there's documentation of it, there's a huge cover up that's being done,
there's memo there, there's a whole ton of stuff, and I just wanted
to go to you guys Derek first with this one, because I went David
last time, what are your thoughts on the Rendelsham forest incident as documented in
this documentary because there are stuff that's come later that was not featured in this
documentary. Now, before I start, I'm getting older. But okay,
am I wrong? Justin have you said I'm gonna start with me like three
times in a row? Now, No, I went to David last time.
Okay, No, I'm joking. I'm trying to alter it. I'm
trying to alternate. Oh, you should write you should write down whose turn
it is, because I think he keeps skipping David. Um put put a
post a note over our picture on the zoom. You know what I'm gonna
put it. I'm gonna put d for um. Okay, So Rendelsham,
that's a crazy case. You know. There are two or two Air Force
bass that the English base and the American base there, and one night something
weird showed up, and I think it showed up like three nights in a
row, and on the third night it kind of landed in the woods between
the two and they went to investigating. Like Zenger said, there's recordings which
you hear in this documentary. And something else I thought was really cool in
this documentary was the they reported divots in the ground, three divots where something
had landed and presumably like a tripod, had come out and pushed holes in
the ground. So they casted those holes and you can actually see one of
them in this documentary. I thought that was super cool. Um. I
know from other documentaries that they that it was claimed that those were just rabbit
burrows. I've seen it was perfectly perfectly symmetrical in like how they were divvied
up, but the rabbit. Rabbit burrows also go down into the ground so
that the rabbit could actually get into it. These divots were like a popcorn
bowl or something or pie possibly in Oregon. Urgin Um David going to you
thoughts on Rendall SHOWM and and the the the British Roswell. I remember covering
this in a in an episode, and it's been years, like five to
six plus years, because Dave was with me when we covered this. Um.
I remember after doing research on it that I didn't believe a single thing
about it. Uh And I now I can't remember why, but um,
I think One of the one of the things that got to me about it
was James Peniston's um. His his testimony about it changed a lot over the
years, and it got really weird with some of the um markings and the
language that he thought maybe was in that like dreams or something was. Yeah,
there was like a tele knes not tell nisus of some sort images or
something. Yeah, something images that came to him. UM. Now that's
why I said it's portrayal in this documentary. Yeah. Well, I mean,
yeah, exactly exactly. Everything looks straightforward in this documentary. I mean
they present everything as almost as fact here. I do. I do appreciate
that he had everybody that was involved in it talk in this because that's interesting
to me, you know it to have the actual witnesses of these events UM
to talk about him and the lectures some of the lectures or whatever that they've
given on it. There was footage from that UM as you said, he
showed the plaster cast, which he also said when he went around it he
didn't see any landing gear, but then was like, here are the divots
in the ground from landing gear. I don't something like that, But so
I don't know what it could be if it if it's fake, Like why
did they all make recordings and make a big deal and to this day there
you know, they stick to their story and stuff. But at the same
time, there's a lot of um, a lot of information that has changed
and morphed over the years with it, which makes me kind of skeptical of
his story. But it's kind of all how much sense does it make to
fake something like that? You know, you're on duty working for the military,
Like I mean, you get bored and have fun, But why stick
to it for so long? That's the other thing, Not just him like
he I think he went crazy with it, Peniston, Penis Ton, but
um, the other guys that are involved, why would they stick to it
and and be willing to talk about it on camera years and years and years
and years later? You know. That's that's the sticky point with it.
Sometimes people just get in too deep and they you know, you can't get
out. You just read the ride. So the things I've heard after the
fact, now because I said, none of this is brought up in this,
but on the more in depth stuff I've seen is he signed an NDA
and that that ran out. Yeah, so that that when that ran out,
he revealed more information, like he was able to talk more about it,
and apparently there's another one he signed that he can't talk about that stuff.
The stuff that gets me is the whole it's not morrise code, it's
um oh, the language was um, it's whatever computer speak. Yeah,
but thank you, thank you. Um that that apparently there's a binary code
coordinates to Hyperzil or somewhere near where hyperzil is allegedly at. But it's it's
one of those things that that part of it kind of makes me scratch my
head on why was that something? Because that that that comes up later on.
That's and I was looking to see when he brought that fourth I said,
I don't know. Obviously this this got ran up the chain too,
like this was something that that involved like Ministry of Defense getting involved all this
other stuff. So I mean, if it was a hoax, they took
it pretty dang seriously for a while. Plus, I mean, if it
was somebody hoaxing it, I don't know why you'd want to go hoaxing something
where there's people with guns who could shoot you for trespassing very quickly. So
it's also it's also a possibility that this was some sort of military craft that
they were testing out or something, and these you know, guards just like,
oh, what's going on over there, and it just kind of stumbled
into it. So it's it's it's the need to know. They weren't in
the need to know. They were still aren't yep, So that okay.
And there's also I also loved the excuse that it was a antenna that was
on the coast, that was flash lighthouse was a lighthouse okay, yeah,
that I think in the recordings he talks about like there's the lighthouse. Yeah,
and then he said it's moving referring to the object. Not Yeah.
They did say it was like it's coming to write for us a couple of
times. So yeah, surprised they didn't shoot. You know what, Maybe
it was the Maybe it was the lighthouse that took those three UM lighthouse keepers.
Hey, yeah, we're all forgetting what that is. But that came
yeah Island Moore, Elan Moore. Which is funny because real quick when I
was I visited the Isle of Sky last month and they had a map on
the wall of this UM this one establishment. I was looking at it and
right off the coast of one part of Isle of Sky. There was Island
Moore and I was like, what, I'm like, that were that close
to this thing? And I asked the person who was running the place.
I was like, is this really the the island more like the one from
the Lighthouse story where the three and she had no idea, like she didn't
cover up, but I was like, wait, okay, UM looked it
up and that the actual one from the story was way the hell away outer
hebrides like super far north Um. But they have two islands that were that
were not and it's just that's just the name More Island. So like Roger
Moore or Michael Moore. I was gonna say, is it a request more
More Island please? I mean, it's a tiny island. They need all
they can get. But no, I'm sorry. The only prescription is um.
Anyways, I thought i'd throw that in there because it kind of uh
scared me from an I was like, we're gonna get disappeared. Um,
I can't segue to the next one perfectly with that, you know what I
set the I set the bar too high with the last one. Japan japan
Airline Cargo Flight sixteen twenty eight incident. This took place in November seventeenth of
nineteen eighty six over the I thought this was over like the Bay of Alaska
or like near the bottom of Alaska. No, this thing was flying straight
through Alaska apparently like this incident. So basically what happened on a Paris to
Tokyo flight Giant, This giant like object shows up and the sight inc last
for almost an hour of this giant, huge object following this plane through basically
the majority of the internal part of Alaska, which, if you want me
to throw out something crazy real quick, Alaskan triangle that's straight through where that
is. And this huge object basically followed the plane during this time. And
this is the big plane because it's one of the big like cargo planes,
and they were even like this thing that was following us was huge. That
that's another one they go over in that. This is one I remember as
a kid always seeing on documentaries and I was always like whoa, because like
the pilots came out and talked about everybody talked about it. I just always
thought it was like New or Alaska. I didn't realize they were like over
the state. So David. Yep is the d that was written on the
paper for this one. So David thoughts On nailed it. The the the
Japan Airline flight Cargo flight sixteen twenty eight. This one was new to me.
I hadn't heard about this one. Yeah, so I thought it was
very compelling. I have nothing to add to it. I don't know anything
more about it than what was in there, and I thought that was very
interesting. Derek, go ahead. My favorite part about this case is the
radar, the radar hits. They had this thing on radar, I'm pretty
sure confirming the size. You know, this was a beast of a craft.
And anytime you have that validation, you have a pilot that sees it,
and you have radar on the ground that sees it, it's meaningful.
It doesn't mean it's a space alien, but it's meaningful. Means something's up
there, is what it means. Yeah. The recordings that they had of
it were super interesting, right, Yeah, very difficult to hear, but
super interesting. Why is it always so hard to hear those Like, if
you're an air traffic controller, are you just trained to pick voices out of
static? Or every time you hear one of those recordings. It's just the
worst quality imaginable. You know what it is. Have you ever been to
an airport? The audio, the audio there is terrible welcome. Right,
you got a point right now, please stand by for an important announcement,
last barning call for fight three out nine to Oh. It was a cargo
plane, right, there was like a t X plane or something that.
No, you know what, they were hauling wine? They were they were
they were hauling wine because you can get a butt of wine, so they
were literally hauling ass. So so I guess if we're going with the whole
conspiracy theory on this one, they were drinking the supply. That's why they
saw it. Nailed it, nailed it perfect Um No, I mean we
got Zinger, Yeah exactly. I solved this one. It was the wine
fumes leaking out the Merry Celeste of the ass. But I think one of
the like it was solved was like they said, it was like plankton or
something that ear doesn't plankton that was reflecting off the ocean or something. Yeah,
exactly. It's one of those like, oh, well, you know
it, Alaska has just weird stuff happening, and it who cares about radar.
It's like if I'm flying in something, I really like to know my
radars like being responsive to what's around me. Because I mean, it's it's
one of those crazy things. I said, it's weird. It's one that
I've seen a few times, and it's the shape of it. It looks
like Saturn. Basically, it's like this giant ball ball with us with a
like ring around. It's just like Plankton, exactly like Plankton, just like
playing ear ear doesn't playing Um. The next thing I have before get into
another photo and some final things. Does Anderson Cooper age Derek like a fine
wine? I doubt it doesn't look like a butt of wine. I mean
was twelve, thirteen years old, and he looked exactly the same, exactly
the same, exactly the same. Because that's my first thing. I was
like, wait, what Anderson Cooper doesn't age terrified? He's got them that
that Vanderbilt family Suspenderbilt jeans. Yeah, yeah, yeah, money does that.
Money does do that. I don't have any money, but I know
people to do and they look like they're thirty years old and I'm just forty
wood Um sorry, I just I when I was taking notes. That was
one of my notes was does Anderson Cooper age? There was another one.
I'm like, Larry King's been old forever too, but he's dead, right.
I was about to say he died a few years ago, but man,
he had that look for a while. He had that look for a
while, like like Anderson Cooper just isn't aging. Larry King has been old
forever. Larry King was old and Ghostbusters if you remember his cameo and that
one hundred years ago, he was old. Yeah, quick, quick,
Larry Larry King's story if if I may, Oh god, I think I've
heard this before. Do it? Oh please do it? Oh well,
now I feel pressured. I haven't heard of stories that good. Um No.
Used to live by a CVS in La and I just went in there
one day to pick up some beer, probably some wine actually, and literally
ran right into Larry King. We both came around the aisle. I'm like,
oh, Larry King, and he just did not he was not interested.
He just get going. But I ran into Larry King. It would
have been better if he went, oh, Derrik Hayes and then he's been
much better, terrified, but much better. Just no, no moreer action
just he said, you said his name, he said yours. He just
walks off. But also, um, I need to talk about today's sponsor
box of wine. It's not just for prison anymore. The next side down
I want to go over, Um is this Lagradkota photo. It's the photo
that was like taken from a surveillance like plane. Oh and once again we
got a pipe tin flying through the air. At least they're consistent, and
it's was taken um near coast. I think it was Costa Rica. But
it's just this weird, like basic ground shot and then there's a random silver
dish just sit there. It's like Google if Google Maps had taken this photo
and you found found the something. It doesn't look like a UFO to me.
That that's just me personally. It just kind of looks like a mistake
or a smudge or something. The edges are very defined, but it still
doesn't look like it's part of the photography. In my opinion, there's something
off about it, and I don't know what it is. See, I
thought this was a different photo because there were somebody I was talking about a
very compelling photo that was taken from like one of these, and I found
out right before we recorded. It was a completely different photo. But I'm
like, nope, I put it down. It's noted. You know what.
You watch enough UFO documentaries and listen to enough podcast they all blend into
you're gone crazy, you're very cure the choir man. That is true.
But no, I mean this is something. I mean, it would be
interesting. I know there's weird stuff on Google Earth that people find, I
mean the ones that, of course government didn't scrub away. But no,
I mean I just thought this one was cool and I wanted to bring it
up. It's not the most If you showed me this first, I'd be
like, okay, everything I was going to show me now it looks fake.
But since this was later on, this one's compelling, but not as
compelling. Well, if there were reports of somebody seeing this object and they
cut it on the photograph, that would be a lot more compelling to me.
I also, there's another one. I was wondering about the shutter speed
for on those types of things. It's gotta I would assume it's probably pretty
good. If you're mapping from a plane, um that probably the speed would
be good enough to cut down on blurs. So there is that, but
I did it did make me question? Well, I said, it took
a picture every seventeen seconds, I believe, and it was flying high altitude,
probably with sixty thousand feet or something like that, something like that.
Pretty high. Um, I could just get the photo. There wasn't very
much backstory from when I looked up on it. Um, I wasn't familiar
with this picture. By the way, I've never seen this either. I'll
send you guys the picture I thought it was gonna be and yeah, all
I said. I was really disappointed us. No, no, this is
completely separate from the record. I'll say it you guys, because it I
said. The one I heard, I was like, oh man, that's
really compelling. And then I saw and I was like, oh wait,
it's completely different photo. Whoops, it's actually a still shot from uh,
what's a movie with the Aliens? Tim Burton Mars attacks. Yeah. Ruined
my own joke with my bad memory. Yeah, um yeah. I mean
there is a lot of other photos they show in this one. There's one
that's was It was taken near Vancouver and I don't remember what it was.
It was like a beautiful scenic photo of a mountain and then a ufo up
in the corner like if if nothing else, this is a great lesson and
how people could actually use cameras back in the day. But another one that's
I guess if we want to go to We got some blurry photos coming up.
The Belgian ufo wave that took place during November of nineteen eighty nine,
which is kind of said to be similar in regards because it was a giant
triangle or a larger triangle to a course connecting back to the Phoenix lights.
We got that iconic image of that weird triangular um ufo up in the sky
that they showed a few times, and they had a few people that they
interviewed, and I thought that was very cool that they went out and talked
to people on the street in It was in France, but near Belgium.
Um, going back to David for this one. Yeah, back to David,
Um, what are your thoughts on this Belgian wave in this very blurry
photo, it's about the same as the others. It's it's it's interesting.
I don't I don't know if it's as interesting as the Japanese one, but
you know, it's it's it's wild, and I'm like, you, I
really appreciate that he talks to so many different people, gets a lot of
different opinions on it, and the people that were involved as well talking about
it, and you know, it's interesting that they're like, I can't speak
for this, and then the guy's like, well, what advice would you
give the US government for the sort And he's like, I don't know.
I'm I'm not in any position to give advice to the government. What are
you talking about? Run, Derek, your your your thoughts on the Belgian
wave? Well, you know, it's funny. The thing about that flap
is it's pretty identical to Southern Illinois black triangle flap the Phoenix Lights, which
wasn't a triangle, but it was like that delta wing shape, boomerang shape.
The Hudson Valley. UFO wanted to be a triangle, which they briefly
touched on in this documentary. And you know, I obviously receive a ton
of UFOE calls and I would say seventy or black triangle raft that people see
and I'm at the point now where this is most certainly some sort of government
vehicle, some sort of government craft that I think it's some sort of high
speed balloon or something along those lines, which sounds counterintuitive, but I think
that's what it is because people it hovers, It hovers, uh silently.
You know it's there. It just sneaks up on people and then gone,
like in a flash. So in order for a balloon to take off like
that, that's so you're saying, it's all pops. Yeah. Yeah,
A guy reaches out the back pops it speaking. Um No, I mean,
it's like I said, the photos weird. There is a lot of
correlation with other stuff. We don't have a pie ten this time though,
but we'll take what we can get. Um. This entire documentary was vaguely
based around the National Press Club's UFO conference they did in two thousand and seven.
Yes, yes, there was, there was a lot of that.
Bill Burns from History Channel makes an appearance to ask a question. He did
not have his iconic hat and glasses. I didn't recognize him at first,
I did. I did like how he was. He was like a reporter.
He's like Bill Burn's History Channel, Great channel. Like is that a
legitimate news sorcer? I mean, now it would be suclos and and he
would stand up and everyone be blocked by his hair. But but still,
I mean it was just funny because I'm like, I remember that that was
the time he was starting to like peek into like the UFO Hunters and and
all that stuff was about to burst forth onto the world. So it was
just cool to see see him in this because I was like, oh,
hey, it's Bill Burn. Cool um, But no, I mean it's
it's cool because they had all these people there. They talked about like the
government obviously knows something. What's the government doing? And even though it's several
years later, I'm gonna say there's a vague connection between all these questions being
asked here and what gets revealed with To the Stars Academy and these this soft
disclosure we're currently in. I think still are we still currently in? It
is? It's still going on. There's just a new report last week.
Yeah, I covered it on this week's show. Okay, I really think
they could just pull the plug or pull the ripcord maybe and people will be
fine. We're Also that I was talking about on the episode actually was how
boring these reports are and how they're essentially not telling us anything, show us
something. Well, the audios out there. I brought up all these,
brought all these star attention. If just one of these had a report link
to it that the government released, here's what we actually found, here's the
truth behind that incident, that would be something once again. I God,
I think I'm going three for three right now with this of I want to
be in a room with some guy smoking a cigarette that throws a file down
in front of me and like photos and documentation stuff spills out and he's like,
there's everything you need to know about the incident, and I just get
to look at it in one and then he and then he walks out and
he tells the guard kill him. I mean, is anyone else not excited
to look at micro feash and see what really happened? I don't trust it
to be real. That's the thing. Like that's also the problem with this
government stuff. Everything I read I'm extremely skeptical of. So there's no fun
in it, honestly. I mean the go Fast and the gimbal video like
it's interesting, but it's one of those things like we've had those, and
those are like if this documentary was made now, that would be like the
headlining thing on it would be that we'd also have some interviews with Tom DeLong
and everyone else from to the Stars Academy and everything, so that I said,
this is at a strange point where we're asking for where we were asking
for disclosure, Now that we exist in the disclosure, we're kind of disappointed
with it or sorry, we're not disappointing, we're just it's just not as
exciting as we thought. Yeah. I think they could literally just say,
hey, everybody, guess what aliens are here? They are here, they
have been. Here's one right now, and it's shifts in front of the
camera everything, and and people would be like, oh, neat now I
gotta pay electricity, I gotta I gotta buy fifty dollars eggs, Like what
else is there? Oh man, Twitter's on fire again? Yeah, Like,
just tell people at this point that alien took our job. Yeah.
I said that this was not the documentary I thought it was. But what
did you trick it was going to be. I will discuss that later because
I don't know which one it is, and I have refused to look it
up because I'm going to be so disappointed with myself when I find it.
I'm like, oh man, this was a good one. I'm not saying
this one was bad. It's just it covers a broad spectrum and I think
it does a good job bring all these topics. And that's why I was
like, you know what, let's just bring these topics up. Let's have
us all discuss them and see what we just think about them. Something about
this film that I noticed and I appreciate as a quote unquote filmmaker, Um,
this thing was filmed over like ten years. If you notice the dates
on some of these clips, what's the astronauts? Gordon Cooper, Gordon Cooper,
thank you? The guy that was like sad done knots said, that's
exactly right. He's talking slow his entire life. I think because I keep
seeing older clips, I'm like, oh, he just got old. Older
people slow down when they speak. But now I think this guy spoke a
mile an hour from birth? What was what was I getting? Oh?
Oh, the You could tell that he filmed us over like a decade because
the Cooper clip was from ninety eight or something, and he had a Nick
Pope click that was from two thousand and eight. So there's a ten year
span just right there. And he's in both of these shots, so you
know he's out there doing the field work. He also flew all over the
damn world to do this documentary. He's spent a ton of money, in
a ton of time, and ton of effort on this thing. Yeah,
I did really appreciate that. He also directed another one called Out of the
Blue, which was another documentary done in two thousand and three, and I
was reading somewhere I haven't seen Out of the Balloon forever, and that's not
the one I was thinking of for this. But I think if I remember
correctly, it said that a lot of footage from that is reused in this
with like updated like stuff and every like, like he updates like coverage and
stuff like that. So I mean it's obviously this was a passion project for
him and everything, which I mean, it's it's it's still compelling and it's
and it definitely is a snapshot of a place and time in our in paranormal
culture. Yeah too, Like it is very interesting to go back and knowing
what we know now, I think it was cool to go back and take
a look at it. Um. I don't have a Rotten Tomatoes score for
this, It doesn't have one, so sorry. Um I ambb I AMDB
rating is seven point two. It's pretty good, it's not it's not bad
for a UFO documentary. Let's check and see what Velma is at right now?
Or or have you guys not not not watching the slow decline of that?
I'm not even is it the Scooby Doo movie. No, it's the
Scooby Doo HBO show. That's apparently people are very angry, not enough,
not enough enemy titties. I who knows umo snacks? Okay. Velma is
currently sitting at a one point three WOW rating. Go for it U thirty
thousand reviews. So on that note, um, I guess let's wrap this
up. We've had We've been the nights at the round table, Derek.
Where can people find more from you? You can find me anywhere you find
fine podcasts. Mine will also be there. It's not a fine podcast,
but it'll be there too. Monsters among Us podcast. It's a callin show
about monsters and aliens and ghosts and weird stuff. We release every Thursday.
And uh, yank you find me on social media as well? All right,
David? Where can people find more from you? You can find more
blurry photos, same places where monsters among us can be found. I'm not
putting a lot out there these days. UM, but um, you can
also find me on a Hysteria fifty one, UM and Quiz Quiz Bang Bang,
my trivia podcast. I'm doing more stuff with those of these days.
UM. Also audiobooks, just search Tom Lyons. I'll be there alongside Derek
and a lot of those. And UM that's uh yeah, those are the
places you can find. Hum me, you just forget to plug that.
Um. You can of course find zignis where you find great podcasts, like
the two others mentioned that three four others mentioned. Sorry, there's so many
David, you're David, You're doing so many podcasts. Um, you can
find us where you find those great podcasts, well, where pop culture podcasts
or we cover everything in pop culture. So definitely check us out that zeng
this and uh, this has been another night at the round Table.