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Welcome to another night at the round
Table. Tonight we'll be going over a

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documentary I Know What I Saw two
thousand and nine History Channel. Is it

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a History Channel original? By the
way, you got me Zinger, I'm

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David. Well, this is Derek, and I'll chime in. I think

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History has something to do with it
because they're on the little poster. They're

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in IMDb. But my guess is
it was something filmed independently in History Channel

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picked it up. I'm going with
that because at the beginning of the one

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I watched as the you know UFO
Network or t UFO TV. I think

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it is. Yeah, yeah,
yeah, So so we watched I Know

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What I Saw, which is an
older documentary one hundred and thirty two minutes.

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We did not watch the Lifetime original
movie I Know What I Saw,

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because there's also that that came out
in two thousand and seven, and we

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did not read the book by m
Linda Godfried. I Know What I Saw.

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That's a good book. That's a
good book. Yeah it is.

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And also on that fun note,
she also has a book called Monsters among

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Us. We watched this documentary and
I gotta say it wasn't bad. It's

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just blatantly outdated from two thousand and
nine because it was not the documentary I

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thought it was until I started watching
it. So this was my pick.

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My bad, but I may I
gathered some stuff from this, so I

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think we can salvage this, guys. Unless you've got any positive things to

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say about the documentary front, I
liked it. I thought it was pretty

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good actually, in terms of just
kind of collecting and archiving a lot of

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different sightings and stuff, including some
well known ones and lesser known ones.

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I thought it was pretty good for
what it was. I think the director,

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James Fox did some good stuff with
it, which we can get into

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later. I definitely want to get
into that. Derek Um, Yeah,

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I actually did like it as well, although I will admit it was very

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dry. It's been a long day
for me and I'm just kind of nodding

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off there a few times. And
maybe to me, you know, I

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knew every one of these stories.
Nothing here was a surprise to me.

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Humble brag, But maybe that had
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the the mundane fashion of the film. But like you said, it's from

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two thousand and nine, so it's
a little older. It's not brand new,

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so it's it moved a little slower
and that kind of thing. But

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there was a lot of good information, like Flora said, which is what

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I decided to do with this,
was to go over some of the sightings

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and stuff they talked about and get
our three's opinion on each of them,

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since I feel like that would be
a great way to go over this.

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It's fresh and arm minds everything.
So the initial documentary starts off with them

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talking about the Phoenix Lights, the
Phoenix Slice, of course, taking place

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in March of nineteen ninety seven,
So God, that's getting up there in

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time now. I'm just thirty years
ago, closer to thirty years than twenty

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so. But but this this sign
took place, of course, over Phoenix

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and over the states of Nevada and
Arizona. So I guess I'm gonna go

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to the expert, the the self
proclaimed expert Derek Hays first for this one.

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Derek, what are your thoughts on
the Phoenix Lights? I think David

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and I both just puckered up at
the same time. Well, you you

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claimed it, so go for it, man. I don't. I don't

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know that I claimed it. But
the Phoenix Lights. So that was certainly

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an interesting series of events there,
and one of the things that to this

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day still catches my attention is in
this documentary is a really good example.

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They talk to all the witnesses out
there and you actually see their passion and

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what they're talking about what they claim
to have seen. And on top of

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that, there was two different sets
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early sighting, which was the quote
unquote legitimate sighting, and then an hour

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or so later there was what looked
like military flares drop in the exact same

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place, which to me sounds like
some sort of cover up was going on.

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You know, I'm not an expert
on the Phoenix lights, despite what

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Singer thinks, but if I had
to say, I would say that something

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showed up in the military kind of
swooped into to cover it up. All

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right, What about you? I
think Derek hit all the points on that.

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I feel the same way. The
first sighting that you could track across

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state lines with the sightings that people
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a lot more legitimate, and the
one that was over the mountain out there,

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which we have one at least one
video of that's pretty famous. Where

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you see the lights kind of flickering
out here and there. Somebody has has

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put up a kind of an outline
of that mountain in the daytime, and

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it I think, according to them, it seems like it corresponds to them

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disappearing behind that mountain in spots,
and that's why it's so kind of random.

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Which one's blink in and out or
not in. I guess they just

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blink out. But yeah, I'm
with Derek. I think that the first

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one was a lot more legitimate.
You have a ton of people that report

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it and see it, and that's
what makes it so compelling. And then

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somebody either either some and was coincidental
with flares, you know, out there

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dropping that night they had it on
the on the books, or they swooped

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in and were like, shoot,
this is something we either don't know or

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it is one of ours that was
going so fast that pilot didn't know what

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to do and so and so let's
get some flares up there and just tell

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everybody it's flares. Yeah, I
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things they point out is that this
was all done by a ten aircraft,

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which not a super military expert,
not super familiar with everything that flies in

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the sky. But if I'm remembering
correctly, I feel a ten ward hogs

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are if I remember correctly, they
have a very noticeable sound. Yeah,

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and you have a you have a
clip of that sound right right here.

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I'm inserting it right here. Wow, thank you, thank you. Um

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No, I mean it's a very
noticeable sound that's supposed to have and no

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one reported that. Yeah, and
it's these these also, A tens are

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not like you know, the jets
that fly there. They're the big things

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with the machine guns on the front
that are designed to take out tanks.

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They're not meant for like super high
flying or stuff like that. So it's

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really weird that that would be the
go to excuse of all it was a

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tens. There was the fact that
a lot of people just sit It was

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silent too that first second. Yeah, and these have very distinct engine sounds

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to them, which I'm pretty sure
people are to report, But all jets

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do. I mean, if you
think about it, there's not too many

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aircraft out there that are silent,
especially back in ninety seven. Yeah,

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the drone technology just simply wasn't there. Unless this was an early drone who

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knows, but no, I want
I wanted to pick pick Carol's brain about

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this one and everything, because I
mean, like you said, it's there,

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there's a lot of this that's unexplained. And not to sound super conspiracy

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theorist, but I think the government
knows more about this than they're lighting on.

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And this is the kind of disclosure
I would want, because this was

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before we had soft disclosure and before
we add to the Stars Academy stuff that

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I'm sure stuff like the press conference, stuff like that they touch on in

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this that sort of leads to what
we know now years later. But moving

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onto the next siding they talked about, or the next siding that I felt

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was pertinent for us to discuss the
thing that kicked off this whole flying saucer

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craze. Kenneth Kenneth Arnold siding taking
place in June of nineteen forty seven,

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Kenneth Arnold claims to have seen a
string of nine shiny, unidentified flying objects

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as he flew past Mount Rainier.
The estimate speed was twelve hundred miles an

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hour. So, Flora, I'm
gonna swing the ball in your court for

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this one. I have no Um, there's nothing I can say that would

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debunk this. I don't think there's
anything to debunk. It's it's a citing

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that he had. He's a pilot
and he was pretty vehement about what he

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saw and there were multiple I think
saucer shaped objects that he saw. Wasn't

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there, There wasn't just one that
was bouncing around. It was like seven

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to nine. Yeah, it seven
to nine. I think it's it's interesting

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and yeah, I don't know what. I don't know that you could really

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say one thing or another confidently about
it because at that time, I mean

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forty seven, that's very early days
with even jet fighters. So if they're

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seeing something that maneuvers, just like
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yeah, that there's something going on
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time. Anyway, the thing that
gets me about this case is, uh,

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it's like two weeks later Roswell takes
place. Yeah, and between Kenneth

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Arnold's sighting Roswell and I think there
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it was like Shag Harbor or sometimes. Um the Maury Island Maury Island incident

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had had them backwards. One ones
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I think, or Newfoundland or something. Yeah, the oppositens of the

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country. But they happened right around
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was the first men in black case
to the Maury Island, which is funny

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because the Kenneth Arnold case was the
first use of the term flying saucer.

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He described them as skipping across the
sky like I think it's in this documentary

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actually he says this clip. He
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water like a like a saucer would. So then the papers picked it up

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all the flying saucer, yeah,
because they talked about before that. During

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World War Two they would be known
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get the band name the Food Fighters
from. Uh. The other interesting thing

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about this I can't remember. I
think it's a popular mechanics um cover where

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it has like the swooped wing sort
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looks flyin saucer with a bite taken
out of it is basically what it looks

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like. Yeah, and it looks
reminiscent enough to us nowadays, like oh

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that that looks vaguely like a bomber
like one of our stealth bombers, I

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said, vaguely, but it's like, it's weird that correlation that my mind

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goes to seeing that now with our
present day of mind, was that what

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was flying around back then. I'm
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it's a weird sort of correlation.
But of course correlations not causation. My

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thing is that's what kicked off the
whole craze. And I found it interesting

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that they used him to sort of
do other investigations too for a little bit,

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because I'm like, was he the
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he saw this, bring him in. But also I keep thinking Morey Island

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was, like Derek was on the
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forgetting it was near where he lived, So it's not like that out there,

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I guess. And there's something strange
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over the Olympics in Washington State,
and I get a ton of report UFO

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reports from not only Washington State but
to Pacific Northwest in general. I mean

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dozens upon dozens compared to other places. So there's something strange going on up

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there. I just, you know, don't know what it is. That's

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well, I guess it's not that
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place that kind of a hot spot. That's northern California. But there there

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has been some talk about those places, at least Mount Shasta and stuff in

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the Pacific Northwest. Mountain wise,
that is one of the entrances to the

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Hollow Earth, and that's why lots
of stuff comes in and out of their

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Batsquatch even has been linked to some
of that stuff. But I think the

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from what I'm seeing online, the
stealth bomber you were you were mentioning when

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we got around to designing that,
that was that wasn't until like the mid

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seventies that I think they even started
designing it. So that's, you know,

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almost thirty years later, allegedly.
I was about to say, I

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was about to say, if you
guys remember there was a show on sci

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Fi called um oh gosh, I'm
trying remember what it was. Wasn't signed?

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It was like Steven Spielberg exactually produced
it, Dakota Fanning. Wasn't it

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taken? Taken? Yeah? Yeah, And there's a scene in there where

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it's like right after World War Two, like about ten years later, and

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they had the stealth bombers flying around
the base and they're like, yeah,

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we're not going to be disclosing those
for about another twenty. Sorry. That

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just made me think of that show, which I haven't seen in years,

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so god knows how good that is
anymore, from if it even holds up.

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But like that, that's something like
very very point in time, speaking

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a point in time and staying in
Oregon. Something I found interesting was we

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get the mcmonville UFO photos. They're
the one that looks like the pie,

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Like literally looks like a pie.
Someone took a pie saucer and threw it

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up in the air from mcmnville,
Oregon, taken in nineteen fifty. They're

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also known as the Trent UFO photos. So I was about to say they

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showed it, and I think they
interviewed the photographer's wife because he had passed

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on by then. I don't know
if you guys wanted to talk about these

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real quick. It looks fake,
like they look so fake, but they're

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always held up as such legit photos. You know. It's funny. When

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I was a kid, I always
had those Readers Digests paranormal book series.

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Yeah, I didn't have them my
grandparents had him, and whenever I go

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over there, I just dive into
those things. And the UFO book was

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obviously one of my favorites. In
the mcmn photo was in there. Mcmanville.

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Sorry, and uh, I thought
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kid, like seven, eight nine
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like a pie plate. Looks like
they just threw it up there and took

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the picture. But yeah, like
you said, it's held in high regard

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for some reason. I'm not entirely
sure, and maybe I might be wrong

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on this. I get a lot
of these confused lately. But did they

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just release new photographs of the mcmhnville
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the government for some reason, maybe
mixing this up with a different case.

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But maybe three months ago there was
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of these famous old cases. Um, While David responds, I'm going to

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take a look. I'm I'm looking
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can tell, you know, it's
a it looks like someone through a hotel

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bellboy bell. You know, it's
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it, and then you can see
there's a little dome and something there on

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top. But I'm I'm wondering when
when we see, especially old pictures,

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I always wonder about shutter speed things
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to capture something moving with the phone. That just doesn't make it a mess.

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Um. And so I'm just wondering, you know what, what do

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you guys think about photos that look
very pristine and what you're looking at,

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um, even if it was thrown
in the air, you'd think there'd be

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some kind of blur. Right.
Well, there's I think there's three total

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photos. You have like one where
it's sort of banking. You have one

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words more straight on and I can't
remember what the other one is. But

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and it is taken in quick succession
and you didn't have like automode or anything

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like that on these. It's there. It's it's compelling. How much of

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the test the time this is this
is held up to though, like it's

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something. I mean, I don't
ever see anything saying it was hoaxed or

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someone came out like with Nessie the
famous surgeon's photo and on their deathbed,

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whin I was the one that that
was that made the boat like the there

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there's no one saying I'm the one
that flew the through the byton, So

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I don't know. I don't go
ahead, Derek. I was just gonna

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chime in with what David was saying. Maybe back in the day, and

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I don't know what camera was used, and you know, I'm not a

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camera expert either, but I think
back then the cameras were kind of cheaper,

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and they had like a wide focus
range or a focal length so that

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they could accommodate any range. If
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you're in focus. If you're taking
a distant shot, is going to be

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in focus. And the camera speed
determines how blurry things are. So if

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it was bright outside, the camera
speed's probably really quick and that'll cut down

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on any blurring of the image.
One thing I want to point out,

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and I didn't really realize it until
just now. I googled it too while

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you guys were talking, And do
you guys remember I think it was the

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Nimits or the one of those that
came. Oh here it is, actually

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I just found it. Let me
tell you which one. This one is

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Killer radio right here. It's one
of those military I'm still trying to find

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which one. This one's off the
coast of Florida, so if narrows it

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down to anybody, But it's the
same shape that this mcminville UFO is.

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It's a it's like an oval and
then uh, it's got that little point

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on the top that looks like a
like a kaiser's helmet from World War One

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or something. Fight the you guys
able to find this this image that sounds

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like that one picture of the mcminville. It's because it's got something sticking up

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in the middle of it. Yeah, it's just got a little point at

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the top. Now in the gimbal
that's the name of this one, because

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it looks like a gimbal. I
believe I type go fast. I type

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because I thought it was the go
fact. Oh no, go fast.

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The other ones all typing it pulled
up, both of them. It looks

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like it has the top on both
sides almost. That is weird. I

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was about to say, Derek,
thank you. That is very I would

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have never thought to put those two
pieces together because it was gonna what's the

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date on that second one, Florida
UM twenty ten? I believe whoa that

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was? Whoa? Sixty years later, Yeah, that's a slow flight,

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well at all across America. You
got to assume that. You know,

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if you keep seeing the same shape
over and over and it's reported over and

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over, photographed over and over,
that's going to mean something. Um,

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even if it's the same hoaxer or
something, you know, it means something.

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Well, I tricked that guy in
Oregon. I'm gonna trick the US

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Navy now. But huh, just
chucks it in the air. I said,

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there's a lot of there's other ones
that I didn't type on here,

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but I mean if you searched mcmonville
photo, um and go to images there,

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there is like a few of the
other ones I cannot remember. It's

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the one where the guy took it
and it was like flying across in front

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of his um, his car or
his truck, and he took several photos

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of it. And it's the smoker
smoke ring at the end you talking about.

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I was about to say, there's
gonna know but not remember the names.

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I don't know the name yet,
but I unfamiliar with the image.

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Images had pulled up too, And
that's the that's a sad part um.

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So I guess moving on, why
I look that up to this on the

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side. Um, I guess our
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it looks fake, but maybe legit. We're talking about mcmonville, Yeah,

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yeah, we're well. I guess
conclusion to the mcmonville photo host, Yeah,

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who knows. I mean there's a
long time ago speaking people take it

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seriously, so who knows. Speaking
of inconclusive um findings, Project blue Book

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the US government's effort from nineteen fifty
two to nineteen sixty nine to basically be

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like there's nothing in the sky and
proceeded of course by Project Grudge and Project

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sign and the basically their summation on
this was, yeah, there's there's nothing

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for you guys to worry about.
But it took John Heineck from a very

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solid in the camp of these are
fake to being very skeptical by the end

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of it. I don't okay.
I went to David for the last one.

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Go into Derek for this one.
Derek thoughts on the Project Bluebook and

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the fact that it turned Heineck from
a skeptic to a believer by the end,

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and is Swampcastle legitimate thing that you
get reports of on your show?

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I first I questioned whether or not
Heinick changed his mind. I'm kind of

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in the understanding that he thought this
way the whole time and he just wasn't

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able to verbalize any of this information. And actually there was clips in this

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documentary that kept that supported that theory. They showed two juxtaposing clips, one

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from I don't know, the sixties
at some point and the other one was

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from the late seventies. And he's
just he's contradicting himself the entire time,

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and that tells me that, you
know, the program's over, he's no

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longer working with the government. He
can be a little more loose lipped,

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I think ten years later. Yeah, all right, And what was the

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other what was the other question?
Oh? No, just I just was

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saying your thoughts on Project Blue Book
with them basically summing up everything as oh

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well, I think what was it
They only like found like five percent was

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unexplained by the end of it,
or they claimed only five percent was unexplained.

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Was this the government attempting to cover
up something or do you think they

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were putting in a legit effort the
whole time they were covering everything up?

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A Blue Blue Book wasn't for us? Well, Let's let me rephrase that

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it was for us, but not
how we think it was. It was

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designed to deceive us, to keep
us in the dark, in the dark

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of what I don't know. I
don't I don't know what was out there

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that they were keeping from us,
but that's definitely what that program was set

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up for. It was either it
was either that or it was it was

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just run by somebody who didn't care. That's I got. I've written a

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lot of stuff about it that it
seemed like one of the guy, at

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least one of the guys in charge, was just like, yeah, yeah,

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yeah, get your report in here. Who cares. Let's just sign

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off on this and get it back. Who cares? Like that's kind of

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the impression that I got. It. Nobody literally said that, but it

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was kind of one of those military
things where it's like, hey, will

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you do this? All right?
Fine, if I have to, let's

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do this. Here's some reports.
I don't know. I got that impression

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of it, So yeah, I
agree with Derek. It could either be

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that it's completely for the public to
shut him up, or it was just

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kind of like a joke or taken
as a joke by whoever was leading.

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It just too old school for it
or something, you know what I mean,

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probably a little of all that.
Yeah, but sorry that the Heinich

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stuff like he was saying that later
clip, which was like a Johnny Carson

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or a knockoff Johnny Carson was uh
he was. It sounded like he was

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saying things that kind of pissed him
off about the whole um project, the

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whole thing he was involved with,
where he was like, uh this,

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you know, they they are changing
things, they are doing stuff that is

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not what we found or the reports
and stuff we're not you know, adding

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up to what was experienced, things
like that. So it does seem like

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he was a little more loose about
what he was saying that that later stuff.

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I I like Derek's response because I
can also see the military assigning it

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to somebody who did not want to
do it. It was like, this

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is a bum this is a bum
thing. I'll do whatever I need to

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do to get through the years of
doing it and then I'm you know,

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this is a means to and I
can move on to something else afterwards,

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and just did not take it seriously
nor cared about it. Um, Yeah,

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I'm sorry, go ahead, just
no that and Heinich being like towing

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the line at the beginning is also
something I can totally see because I think

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it is the swamp gas thing that
that he like claimed like later that he

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hated the fact that he had to
say that. What was he the one

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that was like, the military has
like a list of stuff that they just

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say things are like balloons, swamp
gas, atmospheric conditions. Right, yeah,

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um words a couple of times store. Yes, I've told you both

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this story and I've brought up before. Um my family members of mine have

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been in the military. My grandfather
was a Navy officer for years. And

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when I vaguely brought up years ago
that I saw something in the sky,

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his response was immediately like, oh, you must see in a rocket launch

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or something. I'm like, there's
no, there's no rockets around here.

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That like, there's no launch pad. Oh it must have been a secret

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one, okay whatever, And then
and then he's like, you you don't

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know what you saw, And I
was like, I wasn't trying arms,

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like, dude, I just saw
something weird in the sky, and he

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goes, it was probably swamp gas. I'm like, where I live in

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Virginia seriously, and he goes,
you don't know what you saw, don't

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bring it up. You're gonna embarrass
yourself. So he grew up a few

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I mean, he was in the
military a few years removed from Project Bluebook.

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So I've never had the guts to
ask follow up questions on that one

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because he was very like. It
was one of those moments. I very

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rarely have seen my grandfather be like
to the point on something, but that

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was one of them. You think
me the rest of the day. This

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subject really gets under certain people.
Again, you know, it makes people

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feel really small, It makes people
feel insignificant. It's terrifying. You think

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about wherever these things come from,
the future, different dimensions, outer space.

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Who the hell knows wherever it is
that makes them more powerful than we

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are if they're able to travel here
and do all this stuff. So we're

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just ants in an ant hill essentially. So I could see why people would

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be upset talking about it. It's
a tough pill to swallow, not to

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mention that other people have no problem
doing being just like ha ha, you're

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stupid, which isn't as bad anymore. But I don't think back in the

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day yeah, apparently back in the
day it was a big deal. And

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I even remember as a kid like, I've always been interested in this,

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so if the subject would come up, I'd be like, oh, what's

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going on over here? You know, a little kid under the under the

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legs listening, and uh, it's
the same thing. Back in the eighties.

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It was ridicule. It was making
fun of people and yeah, oh,

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how much did you have to drink? Or you know, something like

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that. That came up a couple
of times in this documentary, like somebody

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you know, literally some of these
witnesses were like, well, what was

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he on? Blah blah blah,
and it's like, dude, there are

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there are certain drugs that make you
hallucinate, and not everybody has access.

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Light is not one of them.
But not locking up a big old dube

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that doesn't do anything. Come on, I went there, I drink,

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let me, I changed plenty of
booze, and I can tell you that

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that does not make you see anything
other than the floor a little quicker maybe,

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and certain circumstances bingo or beauty where
it's not perhaps I don't know,

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but um that speaking of drinking and
the eighties, Um rendalls from fourth incident.

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I'm see because right there, because
one it takes place in the eighties,

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and two one of the excuses was, oh, everyone was freaking blitzed

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out of their minds drunk from the
Chris Dude party while on duty. So

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December twenty sixth of December twenty eighth
of nineteen eighty eighty over in Rendelshom Forest

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near Stafforshire, England. I'm not
gonna get into it. I'm not going

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to go into every single detail with
this because that's a podcast episode on its

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own, which David, did you
ever kind of that? Yeah? Sorry,

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it's one of those I was I
was really thinking. I'm like,

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I feel like I remember you talking
about it, but we've had so many

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conversations, and Derek, have you
had any reports of Rendelshom Forest activity recently?

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I don't think, so I can't
cool, all right, cool?

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So this whole thing takes place between
RF Woodbridge and the US Air Force base

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that's there as well. Basically,
they see something. There's plenty of recording,

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there's documentation of it, there's a
huge cover up that's being done,

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there's memo there, there's a whole
ton of stuff, and I just wanted

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to go to you guys Derek first
with this one, because I went David

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last time, what are your thoughts
on the Rendelsham forest incident as documented in

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this documentary because there are stuff that's
come later that was not featured in this

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documentary. Now, before I start, I'm getting older. But okay,

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am I wrong? Justin have you
said I'm gonna start with me like three

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times in a row? Now,
No, I went to David last time.

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Okay, No, I'm joking.
I'm trying to alter it. I'm

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trying to alternate. Oh, you
should write you should write down whose turn

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it is, because I think he
keeps skipping David. Um put put a

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post a note over our picture on
the zoom. You know what I'm gonna

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put it. I'm gonna put d
for um. Okay, So Rendelsham,

407
00:31:57.480 --> 00:32:01.640
that's a crazy case. You know. There are two or two Air Force

408
00:32:01.720 --> 00:32:07.079
bass that the English base and the
American base there, and one night something

409
00:32:07.119 --> 00:32:09.279
weird showed up, and I think
it showed up like three nights in a

410
00:32:09.319 --> 00:32:13.480
row, and on the third night
it kind of landed in the woods between

411
00:32:13.519 --> 00:32:16.200
the two and they went to investigating. Like Zenger said, there's recordings which

412
00:32:16.200 --> 00:32:20.480
you hear in this documentary. And
something else I thought was really cool in

413
00:32:20.519 --> 00:32:25.119
this documentary was the they reported divots
in the ground, three divots where something

414
00:32:25.119 --> 00:32:30.759
had landed and presumably like a tripod, had come out and pushed holes in

415
00:32:30.799 --> 00:32:32.920
the ground. So they casted those
holes and you can actually see one of

416
00:32:32.920 --> 00:32:37.640
them in this documentary. I thought
that was super cool. Um. I

417
00:32:37.839 --> 00:32:40.640
know from other documentaries that they that
it was claimed that those were just rabbit

418
00:32:40.680 --> 00:32:49.880
burrows. I've seen it was perfectly
perfectly symmetrical in like how they were divvied

419
00:32:50.000 --> 00:32:53.519
up, but the rabbit. Rabbit
burrows also go down into the ground so

420
00:32:53.559 --> 00:32:58.000
that the rabbit could actually get into
it. These divots were like a popcorn

421
00:32:58.039 --> 00:33:09.119
bowl or something or pie possibly in
Oregon. Urgin Um David going to you

422
00:33:09.720 --> 00:33:19.200
thoughts on Rendall SHOWM and and the
the the British Roswell. I remember covering

423
00:33:19.200 --> 00:33:22.519
this in a in an episode,
and it's been years, like five to

424
00:33:22.599 --> 00:33:27.480
six plus years, because Dave was
with me when we covered this. Um.

425
00:33:27.559 --> 00:33:31.319
I remember after doing research on it
that I didn't believe a single thing

426
00:33:31.359 --> 00:33:37.000
about it. Uh And I now
I can't remember why, but um,

427
00:33:37.319 --> 00:33:39.119
I think One of the one of
the things that got to me about it

428
00:33:39.200 --> 00:33:46.440
was James Peniston's um. His his
testimony about it changed a lot over the

429
00:33:46.519 --> 00:33:52.839
years, and it got really weird
with some of the um markings and the

430
00:33:52.960 --> 00:33:58.720
language that he thought maybe was in
that like dreams or something was. Yeah,

431
00:33:58.799 --> 00:34:01.559
there was like a tele knes not
tell nisus of some sort images or

432
00:34:01.599 --> 00:34:07.159
something. Yeah, something images that
came to him. UM. Now that's

433
00:34:07.159 --> 00:34:12.719
why I said it's portrayal in this
documentary. Yeah. Well, I mean,

434
00:34:14.480 --> 00:34:17.440
yeah, exactly exactly. Everything looks
straightforward in this documentary. I mean

435
00:34:17.440 --> 00:34:22.880
they present everything as almost as fact
here. I do. I do appreciate

436
00:34:22.960 --> 00:34:27.440
that he had everybody that was involved
in it talk in this because that's interesting

437
00:34:27.559 --> 00:34:32.480
to me, you know it to
have the actual witnesses of these events UM

438
00:34:32.599 --> 00:34:37.519
to talk about him and the lectures
some of the lectures or whatever that they've

439
00:34:37.559 --> 00:34:40.159
given on it. There was footage
from that UM as you said, he

440
00:34:40.199 --> 00:34:45.239
showed the plaster cast, which he
also said when he went around it he

441
00:34:45.280 --> 00:34:50.760
didn't see any landing gear, but
then was like, here are the divots

442
00:34:50.760 --> 00:34:55.079
in the ground from landing gear.
I don't something like that, But so

443
00:34:55.199 --> 00:35:00.679
I don't know what it could be
if it if it's fake, Like why

444
00:35:00.679 --> 00:35:05.280
did they all make recordings and make
a big deal and to this day there

445
00:35:05.320 --> 00:35:07.639
you know, they stick to their
story and stuff. But at the same

446
00:35:07.679 --> 00:35:14.079
time, there's a lot of um, a lot of information that has changed

447
00:35:14.119 --> 00:35:17.800
and morphed over the years with it, which makes me kind of skeptical of

448
00:35:19.000 --> 00:35:22.639
his story. But it's kind of
all how much sense does it make to

449
00:35:22.760 --> 00:35:27.280
fake something like that? You know, you're on duty working for the military,

450
00:35:27.360 --> 00:35:30.239
Like I mean, you get bored
and have fun, But why stick

451
00:35:30.280 --> 00:35:34.599
to it for so long? That's
the other thing, Not just him like

452
00:35:34.760 --> 00:35:38.400
he I think he went crazy with
it, Peniston, Penis Ton, but

453
00:35:38.639 --> 00:35:45.119
um, the other guys that are
involved, why would they stick to it

454
00:35:45.239 --> 00:35:49.880
and and be willing to talk about
it on camera years and years and years

455
00:35:49.880 --> 00:35:52.440
and years later? You know.
That's that's the sticky point with it.

456
00:35:52.519 --> 00:35:55.719
Sometimes people just get in too deep
and they you know, you can't get

457
00:35:55.719 --> 00:36:01.280
out. You just read the ride. So the things I've heard after the

458
00:36:01.280 --> 00:36:04.480
fact, now because I said,
none of this is brought up in this,

459
00:36:04.559 --> 00:36:09.239
but on the more in depth stuff
I've seen is he signed an NDA

460
00:36:09.320 --> 00:36:14.320
and that that ran out. Yeah, so that that when that ran out,

461
00:36:14.440 --> 00:36:17.400
he revealed more information, like he
was able to talk more about it,

462
00:36:17.440 --> 00:36:21.920
and apparently there's another one he signed
that he can't talk about that stuff.

463
00:36:22.400 --> 00:36:24.800
The stuff that gets me is the
whole it's not morrise code, it's

464
00:36:24.920 --> 00:36:34.119
um oh, the language was um, it's whatever computer speak. Yeah,

465
00:36:34.119 --> 00:36:38.440
but thank you, thank you.
Um that that apparently there's a binary code

466
00:36:39.920 --> 00:36:46.599
coordinates to Hyperzil or somewhere near where
hyperzil is allegedly at. But it's it's

467
00:36:46.639 --> 00:36:51.239
one of those things that that part
of it kind of makes me scratch my

468
00:36:51.280 --> 00:36:54.719
head on why was that something?
Because that that that comes up later on.

469
00:36:54.800 --> 00:36:59.880
That's and I was looking to see
when he brought that fourth I said,

470
00:37:00.079 --> 00:37:02.400
I don't know. Obviously this this
got ran up the chain too,

471
00:37:02.880 --> 00:37:07.480
like this was something that that involved
like Ministry of Defense getting involved all this

472
00:37:07.559 --> 00:37:12.039
other stuff. So I mean,
if it was a hoax, they took

473
00:37:12.079 --> 00:37:15.639
it pretty dang seriously for a while. Plus, I mean, if it

474
00:37:15.719 --> 00:37:19.960
was somebody hoaxing it, I don't
know why you'd want to go hoaxing something

475
00:37:20.000 --> 00:37:27.079
where there's people with guns who could
shoot you for trespassing very quickly. So

476
00:37:27.239 --> 00:37:30.880
it's also it's also a possibility that
this was some sort of military craft that

477
00:37:30.880 --> 00:37:34.840
they were testing out or something,
and these you know, guards just like,

478
00:37:34.840 --> 00:37:36.960
oh, what's going on over there, and it just kind of stumbled

479
00:37:36.960 --> 00:37:40.639
into it. So it's it's it's
the need to know. They weren't in

480
00:37:40.679 --> 00:37:45.719
the need to know. They were
still aren't yep, So that okay.

481
00:37:45.800 --> 00:37:52.679
And there's also I also loved the
excuse that it was a antenna that was

482
00:37:52.719 --> 00:37:58.199
on the coast, that was flash
lighthouse was a lighthouse okay, yeah,

483
00:37:58.239 --> 00:38:02.679
that I think in the recordings he
talks about like there's the lighthouse. Yeah,

484
00:38:02.760 --> 00:38:07.360
and then he said it's moving referring
to the object. Not Yeah.

485
00:38:07.360 --> 00:38:08.880
They did say it was like it's
coming to write for us a couple of

486
00:38:08.960 --> 00:38:14.920
times. So yeah, surprised they
didn't shoot. You know what, Maybe

487
00:38:14.920 --> 00:38:21.960
it was the Maybe it was the
lighthouse that took those three UM lighthouse keepers.

488
00:38:22.000 --> 00:38:25.840
Hey, yeah, we're all forgetting
what that is. But that came

489
00:38:28.360 --> 00:38:34.840
yeah Island Moore, Elan Moore.
Which is funny because real quick when I

490
00:38:34.920 --> 00:38:40.159
was I visited the Isle of Sky
last month and they had a map on

491
00:38:40.199 --> 00:38:45.840
the wall of this UM this one
establishment. I was looking at it and

492
00:38:45.159 --> 00:38:49.880
right off the coast of one part
of Isle of Sky. There was Island

493
00:38:49.880 --> 00:38:53.119
Moore and I was like, what, I'm like, that were that close

494
00:38:53.239 --> 00:38:59.000
to this thing? And I asked
the person who was running the place.

495
00:38:59.440 --> 00:39:04.360
I was like, is this really
the the island more like the one from

496
00:39:04.360 --> 00:39:08.760
the Lighthouse story where the three and
she had no idea, like she didn't

497
00:39:10.320 --> 00:39:15.800
cover up, but I was like, wait, okay, UM looked it

498
00:39:15.880 --> 00:39:20.840
up and that the actual one from
the story was way the hell away outer

499
00:39:20.960 --> 00:39:27.199
hebrides like super far north Um.
But they have two islands that were that

500
00:39:27.239 --> 00:39:31.559
were not and it's just that's just
the name More Island. So like Roger

501
00:39:31.599 --> 00:39:37.239
Moore or Michael Moore. I was
gonna say, is it a request more

502
00:39:37.400 --> 00:39:40.119
More Island please? I mean,
it's a tiny island. They need all

503
00:39:40.119 --> 00:39:46.400
they can get. But no,
I'm sorry. The only prescription is um.

504
00:39:46.440 --> 00:39:51.559
Anyways, I thought i'd throw that
in there because it kind of uh

505
00:39:51.599 --> 00:39:57.039
scared me from an I was like, we're gonna get disappeared. Um,

506
00:39:58.159 --> 00:40:00.880
I can't segue to the next one
perfectly with that, you know what I

507
00:40:00.960 --> 00:40:06.000
set the I set the bar too
high with the last one. Japan japan

508
00:40:06.360 --> 00:40:13.760
Airline Cargo Flight sixteen twenty eight incident. This took place in November seventeenth of

509
00:40:13.960 --> 00:40:20.199
nineteen eighty six over the I thought
this was over like the Bay of Alaska

510
00:40:20.480 --> 00:40:24.719
or like near the bottom of Alaska. No, this thing was flying straight

511
00:40:24.760 --> 00:40:32.000
through Alaska apparently like this incident.
So basically what happened on a Paris to

512
00:40:32.000 --> 00:40:43.320
Tokyo flight Giant, This giant like
object shows up and the sight inc last

513
00:40:43.480 --> 00:40:51.599
for almost an hour of this giant, huge object following this plane through basically

514
00:40:52.280 --> 00:40:54.920
the majority of the internal part of
Alaska, which, if you want me

515
00:40:54.960 --> 00:41:00.559
to throw out something crazy real quick, Alaskan triangle that's straight through where that

516
00:41:00.719 --> 00:41:06.800
is. And this huge object basically
followed the plane during this time. And

517
00:41:06.840 --> 00:41:09.519
this is the big plane because it's
one of the big like cargo planes,

518
00:41:09.679 --> 00:41:15.119
and they were even like this thing
that was following us was huge. That

519
00:41:15.239 --> 00:41:17.239
that's another one they go over in
that. This is one I remember as

520
00:41:17.239 --> 00:41:22.760
a kid always seeing on documentaries and
I was always like whoa, because like

521
00:41:22.800 --> 00:41:27.679
the pilots came out and talked about
everybody talked about it. I just always

522
00:41:27.719 --> 00:41:30.800
thought it was like New or Alaska. I didn't realize they were like over

523
00:41:30.880 --> 00:41:37.039
the state. So David. Yep
is the d that was written on the

524
00:41:37.039 --> 00:41:42.920
paper for this one. So David
thoughts On nailed it. The the the

525
00:41:43.519 --> 00:41:49.000
Japan Airline flight Cargo flight sixteen twenty
eight. This one was new to me.

526
00:41:49.159 --> 00:41:52.920
I hadn't heard about this one.
Yeah, so I thought it was

527
00:41:52.039 --> 00:41:59.559
very compelling. I have nothing to
add to it. I don't know anything

528
00:42:00.239 --> 00:42:02.480
more about it than what was in
there, and I thought that was very

529
00:42:02.519 --> 00:42:09.079
interesting. Derek, go ahead.
My favorite part about this case is the

530
00:42:09.199 --> 00:42:15.880
radar, the radar hits. They
had this thing on radar, I'm pretty

531
00:42:15.920 --> 00:42:19.679
sure confirming the size. You know, this was a beast of a craft.

532
00:42:20.719 --> 00:42:22.760
And anytime you have that validation,
you have a pilot that sees it,

533
00:42:22.800 --> 00:42:27.280
and you have radar on the ground
that sees it, it's meaningful.

534
00:42:27.639 --> 00:42:31.000
It doesn't mean it's a space alien, but it's meaningful. Means something's up

535
00:42:31.000 --> 00:42:36.719
there, is what it means.
Yeah. The recordings that they had of

536
00:42:36.800 --> 00:42:40.119
it were super interesting, right,
Yeah, very difficult to hear, but

537
00:42:40.360 --> 00:42:44.920
super interesting. Why is it always
so hard to hear those Like, if

538
00:42:44.920 --> 00:42:49.280
you're an air traffic controller, are
you just trained to pick voices out of

539
00:42:49.480 --> 00:42:52.760
static? Or every time you hear
one of those recordings. It's just the

540
00:42:52.800 --> 00:42:55.079
worst quality imaginable. You know what
it is. Have you ever been to

541
00:42:55.119 --> 00:43:02.880
an airport? The audio, the
audio there is terrible welcome. Right,

542
00:43:04.119 --> 00:43:12.239
you got a point right now,
please stand by for an important announcement,

543
00:43:15.320 --> 00:43:22.199
last barning call for fight three out
nine to Oh. It was a cargo

544
00:43:22.239 --> 00:43:24.440
plane, right, there was like
a t X plane or something that.

545
00:43:24.559 --> 00:43:28.559
No, you know what, they
were hauling wine? They were they were

546
00:43:28.599 --> 00:43:31.760
they were hauling wine because you can
get a butt of wine, so they

547
00:43:31.760 --> 00:43:40.440
were literally hauling ass. So so
I guess if we're going with the whole

548
00:43:40.880 --> 00:43:45.840
conspiracy theory on this one, they
were drinking the supply. That's why they

549
00:43:45.840 --> 00:43:50.280
saw it. Nailed it, nailed
it perfect Um No, I mean we

550
00:43:50.440 --> 00:43:53.800
got Zinger, Yeah exactly. I
solved this one. It was the wine

551
00:43:53.880 --> 00:44:02.719
fumes leaking out the Merry Celeste of
the ass. But I think one of

552
00:44:02.760 --> 00:44:09.119
the like it was solved was like
they said, it was like plankton or

553
00:44:09.159 --> 00:44:17.960
something that ear doesn't plankton that was
reflecting off the ocean or something. Yeah,

554
00:44:19.000 --> 00:44:22.119
exactly. It's one of those like, oh, well, you know

555
00:44:22.280 --> 00:44:27.320
it, Alaska has just weird stuff
happening, and it who cares about radar.

556
00:44:27.400 --> 00:44:30.000
It's like if I'm flying in something, I really like to know my

557
00:44:30.199 --> 00:44:37.599
radars like being responsive to what's around
me. Because I mean, it's it's

558
00:44:37.639 --> 00:44:43.440
one of those crazy things. I
said, it's weird. It's one that

559
00:44:43.480 --> 00:44:45.280
I've seen a few times, and
it's the shape of it. It looks

560
00:44:45.320 --> 00:44:51.719
like Saturn. Basically, it's like
this giant ball ball with us with a

561
00:44:51.880 --> 00:44:58.480
like ring around. It's just like
Plankton, exactly like Plankton, just like

562
00:44:58.559 --> 00:45:02.760
playing ear ear doesn't playing Um.
The next thing I have before get into

563
00:45:02.840 --> 00:45:12.119
another photo and some final things.
Does Anderson Cooper age Derek like a fine

564
00:45:12.159 --> 00:45:16.440
wine? I doubt it doesn't look
like a butt of wine. I mean

565
00:45:16.880 --> 00:45:20.960
was twelve, thirteen years old,
and he looked exactly the same, exactly

566
00:45:21.000 --> 00:45:23.440
the same, exactly the same.
Because that's my first thing. I was

567
00:45:23.480 --> 00:45:30.639
like, wait, what Anderson Cooper
doesn't age terrified? He's got them that

568
00:45:30.639 --> 00:45:35.679
that Vanderbilt family Suspenderbilt jeans. Yeah, yeah, yeah, money does that.

569
00:45:37.599 --> 00:45:40.239
Money does do that. I don't
have any money, but I know

570
00:45:40.280 --> 00:45:46.119
people to do and they look like
they're thirty years old and I'm just forty

571
00:45:46.159 --> 00:45:53.199
wood Um sorry, I just I
when I was taking notes. That was

572
00:45:53.239 --> 00:45:58.679
one of my notes was does Anderson
Cooper age? There was another one.

573
00:45:58.719 --> 00:46:04.679
I'm like, Larry King's been old
forever too, but he's dead, right.

574
00:46:05.199 --> 00:46:07.719
I was about to say he died
a few years ago, but man,

575
00:46:08.159 --> 00:46:12.000
he had that look for a while. He had that look for a

576
00:46:12.000 --> 00:46:15.840
while, like like Anderson Cooper just
isn't aging. Larry King has been old

577
00:46:15.920 --> 00:46:20.400
forever. Larry King was old and
Ghostbusters if you remember his cameo and that

578
00:46:20.440 --> 00:46:22.639
one hundred years ago, he was
old. Yeah, quick, quick,

579
00:46:22.719 --> 00:46:25.679
Larry Larry King's story if if I
may, Oh god, I think I've

580
00:46:25.679 --> 00:46:30.159
heard this before. Do it?
Oh please do it? Oh well,

581
00:46:30.199 --> 00:46:32.840
now I feel pressured. I haven't
heard of stories that good. Um No.

582
00:46:34.679 --> 00:46:37.440
Used to live by a CVS in
La and I just went in there

583
00:46:37.480 --> 00:46:40.000
one day to pick up some beer, probably some wine actually, and literally

584
00:46:40.119 --> 00:46:43.559
ran right into Larry King. We
both came around the aisle. I'm like,

585
00:46:43.559 --> 00:46:45.519
oh, Larry King, and he
just did not he was not interested.

586
00:46:45.559 --> 00:46:50.320
He just get going. But I
ran into Larry King. It would

587
00:46:50.320 --> 00:46:53.239
have been better if he went,
oh, Derrik Hayes and then he's been

588
00:46:53.320 --> 00:46:58.199
much better, terrified, but much
better. Just no, no moreer action

589
00:46:58.280 --> 00:47:00.480
just he said, you said his
name, he said yours. He just

590
00:47:00.599 --> 00:47:05.320
walks off. But also, um, I need to talk about today's sponsor

591
00:47:05.400 --> 00:47:16.039
box of wine. It's not just
for prison anymore. The next side down

592
00:47:16.039 --> 00:47:22.679
I want to go over, Um
is this Lagradkota photo. It's the photo

593
00:47:22.800 --> 00:47:29.719
that was like taken from a surveillance
like plane. Oh and once again we

594
00:47:29.920 --> 00:47:35.960
got a pipe tin flying through the
air. At least they're consistent, and

595
00:47:36.280 --> 00:47:39.360
it's was taken um near coast.
I think it was Costa Rica. But

596
00:47:39.480 --> 00:47:45.679
it's just this weird, like basic
ground shot and then there's a random silver

597
00:47:45.800 --> 00:47:52.559
dish just sit there. It's like
Google if Google Maps had taken this photo

598
00:47:52.599 --> 00:47:55.320
and you found found the something.
It doesn't look like a UFO to me.

599
00:47:55.679 --> 00:47:59.840
That that's just me personally. It
just kind of looks like a mistake

600
00:48:00.079 --> 00:48:02.679
or a smudge or something. The
edges are very defined, but it still

601
00:48:02.719 --> 00:48:07.840
doesn't look like it's part of the
photography. In my opinion, there's something

602
00:48:07.960 --> 00:48:09.679
off about it, and I don't
know what it is. See, I

603
00:48:09.679 --> 00:48:15.000
thought this was a different photo because
there were somebody I was talking about a

604
00:48:15.079 --> 00:48:19.199
very compelling photo that was taken from
like one of these, and I found

605
00:48:19.239 --> 00:48:22.440
out right before we recorded. It
was a completely different photo. But I'm

606
00:48:22.440 --> 00:48:28.320
like, nope, I put it
down. It's noted. You know what.

607
00:48:28.400 --> 00:48:32.159
You watch enough UFO documentaries and listen
to enough podcast they all blend into

608
00:48:32.800 --> 00:48:37.760
you're gone crazy, you're very cure
the choir man. That is true.

609
00:48:37.559 --> 00:48:40.480
But no, I mean this is
something. I mean, it would be

610
00:48:40.519 --> 00:48:45.559
interesting. I know there's weird stuff
on Google Earth that people find, I

611
00:48:45.559 --> 00:48:51.000
mean the ones that, of course
government didn't scrub away. But no,

612
00:48:51.079 --> 00:48:52.519
I mean I just thought this one
was cool and I wanted to bring it

613
00:48:52.599 --> 00:48:57.039
up. It's not the most If
you showed me this first, I'd be

614
00:48:57.079 --> 00:48:59.199
like, okay, everything I was
going to show me now it looks fake.

615
00:48:59.280 --> 00:49:01.960
But since this was later on,
this one's compelling, but not as

616
00:49:02.000 --> 00:49:07.159
compelling. Well, if there were
reports of somebody seeing this object and they

617
00:49:07.159 --> 00:49:09.679
cut it on the photograph, that
would be a lot more compelling to me.

618
00:49:10.800 --> 00:49:14.400
I also, there's another one.
I was wondering about the shutter speed

619
00:49:14.400 --> 00:49:17.599
for on those types of things.
It's gotta I would assume it's probably pretty

620
00:49:17.599 --> 00:49:22.239
good. If you're mapping from a
plane, um that probably the speed would

621
00:49:22.280 --> 00:49:27.280
be good enough to cut down on
blurs. So there is that, but

622
00:49:27.320 --> 00:49:29.920
I did it did make me question? Well, I said, it took

623
00:49:29.920 --> 00:49:32.599
a picture every seventeen seconds, I
believe, and it was flying high altitude,

624
00:49:32.760 --> 00:49:37.119
probably with sixty thousand feet or something
like that, something like that.

625
00:49:37.239 --> 00:49:39.840
Pretty high. Um, I could
just get the photo. There wasn't very

626
00:49:39.920 --> 00:49:44.639
much backstory from when I looked up
on it. Um, I wasn't familiar

627
00:49:44.679 --> 00:49:47.360
with this picture. By the way, I've never seen this either. I'll

628
00:49:47.360 --> 00:49:52.280
send you guys the picture I thought
it was gonna be and yeah, all

629
00:49:52.519 --> 00:49:57.800
I said. I was really disappointed
us. No, no, this is

630
00:49:57.840 --> 00:50:00.480
completely separate from the record. I'll
say it you guys, because it I

631
00:50:00.599 --> 00:50:02.119
said. The one I heard,
I was like, oh man, that's

632
00:50:02.119 --> 00:50:05.480
really compelling. And then I saw
and I was like, oh wait,

633
00:50:05.519 --> 00:50:12.119
it's completely different photo. Whoops,
it's actually a still shot from uh,

634
00:50:13.639 --> 00:50:17.440
what's a movie with the Aliens?
Tim Burton Mars attacks. Yeah. Ruined

635
00:50:17.440 --> 00:50:21.719
my own joke with my bad memory. Yeah, um yeah. I mean

636
00:50:21.719 --> 00:50:24.599
there is a lot of other photos
they show in this one. There's one

637
00:50:24.679 --> 00:50:28.760
that's was It was taken near Vancouver
and I don't remember what it was.

638
00:50:29.039 --> 00:50:34.639
It was like a beautiful scenic photo
of a mountain and then a ufo up

639
00:50:34.639 --> 00:50:38.480
in the corner like if if nothing
else, this is a great lesson and

640
00:50:39.159 --> 00:50:45.480
how people could actually use cameras back
in the day. But another one that's

641
00:50:45.559 --> 00:50:49.199
I guess if we want to go
to We got some blurry photos coming up.

642
00:50:50.760 --> 00:50:54.639
The Belgian ufo wave that took place
during November of nineteen eighty nine,

643
00:50:55.280 --> 00:51:00.519
which is kind of said to be
similar in regards because it was a giant

644
00:51:00.559 --> 00:51:07.880
triangle or a larger triangle to a
course connecting back to the Phoenix lights.

645
00:51:07.960 --> 00:51:15.719
We got that iconic image of that
weird triangular um ufo up in the sky

646
00:51:16.199 --> 00:51:19.480
that they showed a few times,
and they had a few people that they

647
00:51:19.519 --> 00:51:22.559
interviewed, and I thought that was
very cool that they went out and talked

648
00:51:22.559 --> 00:51:27.239
to people on the street in It
was in France, but near Belgium.

649
00:51:27.679 --> 00:51:34.639
Um, going back to David for
this one. Yeah, back to David,

650
00:51:35.239 --> 00:51:39.599
Um, what are your thoughts on
this Belgian wave in this very blurry

651
00:51:39.760 --> 00:51:46.280
photo, it's about the same as
the others. It's it's it's interesting.

652
00:51:46.400 --> 00:51:50.320
I don't I don't know if it's
as interesting as the Japanese one, but

653
00:51:51.679 --> 00:51:55.559
you know, it's it's it's wild, and I'm like, you, I

654
00:51:55.639 --> 00:52:01.679
really appreciate that he talks to so
many different people, gets a lot of

655
00:52:01.719 --> 00:52:08.400
different opinions on it, and the
people that were involved as well talking about

656
00:52:08.440 --> 00:52:13.760
it, and you know, it's
interesting that they're like, I can't speak

657
00:52:13.800 --> 00:52:15.719
for this, and then the guy's
like, well, what advice would you

658
00:52:15.760 --> 00:52:19.840
give the US government for the sort
And he's like, I don't know.

659
00:52:19.960 --> 00:52:22.480
I'm I'm not in any position to
give advice to the government. What are

660
00:52:22.480 --> 00:52:30.760
you talking about? Run, Derek, your your your thoughts on the Belgian

661
00:52:30.800 --> 00:52:34.519
wave? Well, you know,
it's funny. The thing about that flap

662
00:52:34.639 --> 00:52:40.800
is it's pretty identical to Southern Illinois
black triangle flap the Phoenix Lights, which

663
00:52:40.840 --> 00:52:45.840
wasn't a triangle, but it was
like that delta wing shape, boomerang shape.

664
00:52:45.960 --> 00:52:49.440
The Hudson Valley. UFO wanted to
be a triangle, which they briefly

665
00:52:49.440 --> 00:52:53.280
touched on in this documentary. And
you know, I obviously receive a ton

666
00:52:53.280 --> 00:53:00.119
of UFOE calls and I would say
seventy or black triangle raft that people see

667
00:53:00.800 --> 00:53:05.599
and I'm at the point now where
this is most certainly some sort of government

668
00:53:05.679 --> 00:53:09.239
vehicle, some sort of government craft
that I think it's some sort of high

669
00:53:09.320 --> 00:53:15.480
speed balloon or something along those lines, which sounds counterintuitive, but I think

670
00:53:15.519 --> 00:53:22.880
that's what it is because people it
hovers, It hovers, uh silently.

671
00:53:22.960 --> 00:53:25.880
You know it's there. It just
sneaks up on people and then gone,

672
00:53:27.000 --> 00:53:29.920
like in a flash. So in
order for a balloon to take off like

673
00:53:29.960 --> 00:53:34.440
that, that's so you're saying,
it's all pops. Yeah. Yeah,

674
00:53:34.559 --> 00:53:45.960
A guy reaches out the back pops
it speaking. Um No, I mean,

675
00:53:45.000 --> 00:53:47.679
it's like I said, the photos
weird. There is a lot of

676
00:53:47.760 --> 00:53:52.119
correlation with other stuff. We don't
have a pie ten this time though,

677
00:53:52.159 --> 00:53:57.079
but we'll take what we can get. Um. This entire documentary was vaguely

678
00:53:57.119 --> 00:54:02.880
based around the National Press Club's UFO
conference they did in two thousand and seven.

679
00:54:05.400 --> 00:54:07.719
Yes, yes, there was,
there was a lot of that.

680
00:54:07.840 --> 00:54:10.559
Bill Burns from History Channel makes an
appearance to ask a question. He did

681
00:54:10.599 --> 00:54:14.920
not have his iconic hat and glasses. I didn't recognize him at first,

682
00:54:15.199 --> 00:54:17.280
I did. I did like how
he was. He was like a reporter.

683
00:54:17.400 --> 00:54:22.480
He's like Bill Burn's History Channel,
Great channel. Like is that a

684
00:54:22.559 --> 00:54:30.960
legitimate news sorcer? I mean,
now it would be suclos and and he

685
00:54:31.000 --> 00:54:35.639
would stand up and everyone be blocked
by his hair. But but still,

686
00:54:35.679 --> 00:54:39.079
I mean it was just funny because
I'm like, I remember that that was

687
00:54:39.119 --> 00:54:44.719
the time he was starting to like
peek into like the UFO Hunters and and

688
00:54:44.800 --> 00:54:49.320
all that stuff was about to burst
forth onto the world. So it was

689
00:54:49.360 --> 00:54:51.280
just cool to see see him in
this because I was like, oh,

690
00:54:51.320 --> 00:54:53.679
hey, it's Bill Burn. Cool
um, But no, I mean it's

691
00:54:53.719 --> 00:54:57.360
it's cool because they had all these
people there. They talked about like the

692
00:54:57.400 --> 00:55:04.000
government obviously knows something. What's the
government doing? And even though it's several

693
00:55:04.079 --> 00:55:08.519
years later, I'm gonna say there's
a vague connection between all these questions being

694
00:55:08.559 --> 00:55:15.519
asked here and what gets revealed with
To the Stars Academy and these this soft

695
00:55:15.559 --> 00:55:20.559
disclosure we're currently in. I think
still are we still currently in? It

696
00:55:20.639 --> 00:55:22.239
is? It's still going on.
There's just a new report last week.

697
00:55:22.320 --> 00:55:25.639
Yeah, I covered it on this
week's show. Okay, I really think

698
00:55:25.679 --> 00:55:30.639
they could just pull the plug or
pull the ripcord maybe and people will be

699
00:55:30.679 --> 00:55:35.760
fine. We're Also that I was
talking about on the episode actually was how

700
00:55:35.880 --> 00:55:39.760
boring these reports are and how they're
essentially not telling us anything, show us

701
00:55:39.800 --> 00:55:45.119
something. Well, the audios out
there. I brought up all these,

702
00:55:45.280 --> 00:55:50.880
brought all these star attention. If
just one of these had a report link

703
00:55:50.960 --> 00:55:55.239
to it that the government released,
here's what we actually found, here's the

704
00:55:55.280 --> 00:56:00.079
truth behind that incident, that would
be something once again. I God,

705
00:56:00.079 --> 00:56:04.800
I think I'm going three for three
right now with this of I want to

706
00:56:04.800 --> 00:56:07.760
be in a room with some guy
smoking a cigarette that throws a file down

707
00:56:07.800 --> 00:56:13.400
in front of me and like photos
and documentation stuff spills out and he's like,

708
00:56:13.440 --> 00:56:15.800
there's everything you need to know about
the incident, and I just get

709
00:56:15.840 --> 00:56:22.199
to look at it in one and
then he and then he walks out and

710
00:56:22.199 --> 00:56:30.079
he tells the guard kill him.
I mean, is anyone else not excited

711
00:56:30.079 --> 00:56:34.000
to look at micro feash and see
what really happened? I don't trust it

712
00:56:34.039 --> 00:56:37.119
to be real. That's the thing. Like that's also the problem with this

713
00:56:37.199 --> 00:56:42.679
government stuff. Everything I read I'm
extremely skeptical of. So there's no fun

714
00:56:42.719 --> 00:56:46.320
in it, honestly. I mean
the go Fast and the gimbal video like

715
00:56:46.400 --> 00:56:52.239
it's interesting, but it's one of
those things like we've had those, and

716
00:56:52.320 --> 00:56:58.199
those are like if this documentary was
made now, that would be like the

717
00:56:58.239 --> 00:57:01.639
headlining thing on it would be that
we'd also have some interviews with Tom DeLong

718
00:57:01.679 --> 00:57:07.000
and everyone else from to the Stars
Academy and everything, so that I said,

719
00:57:07.039 --> 00:57:09.880
this is at a strange point where
we're asking for where we were asking

720
00:57:09.920 --> 00:57:15.639
for disclosure, Now that we exist
in the disclosure, we're kind of disappointed

721
00:57:15.679 --> 00:57:20.800
with it or sorry, we're not
disappointing, we're just it's just not as

722
00:57:20.800 --> 00:57:24.440
exciting as we thought. Yeah.
I think they could literally just say,

723
00:57:24.800 --> 00:57:30.639
hey, everybody, guess what aliens
are here? They are here, they

724
00:57:30.639 --> 00:57:35.000
have been. Here's one right now, and it's shifts in front of the

725
00:57:35.039 --> 00:57:38.760
camera everything, and and people would
be like, oh, neat now I

726
00:57:38.760 --> 00:57:45.679
gotta pay electricity, I gotta I
gotta buy fifty dollars eggs, Like what

727
00:57:45.840 --> 00:57:50.719
else is there? Oh man,
Twitter's on fire again? Yeah, Like,

728
00:57:51.119 --> 00:57:55.400
just tell people at this point that
alien took our job. Yeah.

729
00:57:54.840 --> 00:57:59.719
I said that this was not the
documentary I thought it was. But what

730
00:57:59.760 --> 00:58:05.320
did you trick it was going to
be. I will discuss that later because

731
00:58:05.400 --> 00:58:07.960
I don't know which one it is, and I have refused to look it

732
00:58:07.039 --> 00:58:10.840
up because I'm going to be so
disappointed with myself when I find it.

733
00:58:10.840 --> 00:58:14.840
I'm like, oh man, this
was a good one. I'm not saying

734
00:58:14.880 --> 00:58:17.840
this one was bad. It's just
it covers a broad spectrum and I think

735
00:58:17.840 --> 00:58:21.920
it does a good job bring all
these topics. And that's why I was

736
00:58:21.920 --> 00:58:24.280
like, you know what, let's
just bring these topics up. Let's have

737
00:58:24.440 --> 00:58:30.239
us all discuss them and see what
we just think about them. Something about

738
00:58:30.239 --> 00:58:35.199
this film that I noticed and I
appreciate as a quote unquote filmmaker, Um,

739
00:58:36.360 --> 00:58:39.239
this thing was filmed over like ten
years. If you notice the dates

740
00:58:39.280 --> 00:58:46.159
on some of these clips, what's
the astronauts? Gordon Cooper, Gordon Cooper,

741
00:58:46.239 --> 00:58:52.119
thank you? The guy that was
like sad done knots said, that's

742
00:58:52.159 --> 00:58:57.360
exactly right. He's talking slow his
entire life. I think because I keep

743
00:58:57.400 --> 00:59:00.679
seeing older clips, I'm like,
oh, he just got old. Older

744
00:59:00.679 --> 00:59:02.400
people slow down when they speak.
But now I think this guy spoke a

745
00:59:02.400 --> 00:59:07.079
mile an hour from birth? What
was what was I getting? Oh?

746
00:59:07.119 --> 00:59:12.079
Oh, the You could tell that
he filmed us over like a decade because

747
00:59:12.239 --> 00:59:15.079
the Cooper clip was from ninety eight
or something, and he had a Nick

748
00:59:15.119 --> 00:59:20.679
Pope click that was from two thousand
and eight. So there's a ten year

749
00:59:20.719 --> 00:59:22.880
span just right there. And he's
in both of these shots, so you

750
00:59:22.920 --> 00:59:25.480
know he's out there doing the field
work. He also flew all over the

751
00:59:25.559 --> 00:59:29.840
damn world to do this documentary.
He's spent a ton of money, in

752
00:59:29.880 --> 00:59:31.119
a ton of time, and ton
of effort on this thing. Yeah,

753
00:59:31.239 --> 00:59:37.880
I did really appreciate that. He
also directed another one called Out of the

754
00:59:37.960 --> 00:59:40.559
Blue, which was another documentary done
in two thousand and three, and I

755
00:59:40.599 --> 00:59:44.800
was reading somewhere I haven't seen Out
of the Balloon forever, and that's not

756
00:59:44.840 --> 00:59:49.519
the one I was thinking of for
this. But I think if I remember

757
00:59:49.559 --> 00:59:52.440
correctly, it said that a lot
of footage from that is reused in this

758
00:59:52.719 --> 00:59:59.320
with like updated like stuff and every
like, like he updates like coverage and

759
00:59:59.320 --> 01:00:04.119
stuff like that. So I mean
it's obviously this was a passion project for

760
01:00:04.199 --> 01:00:08.079
him and everything, which I mean, it's it's it's still compelling and it's

761
01:00:08.159 --> 01:00:15.159
and it definitely is a snapshot of
a place and time in our in paranormal

762
01:00:15.199 --> 01:00:20.719
culture. Yeah too, Like it
is very interesting to go back and knowing

763
01:00:20.760 --> 01:00:24.119
what we know now, I think
it was cool to go back and take

764
01:00:24.159 --> 01:00:28.599
a look at it. Um.
I don't have a Rotten Tomatoes score for

765
01:00:28.599 --> 01:00:32.039
this, It doesn't have one,
so sorry. Um I ambb I AMDB

766
01:00:32.239 --> 01:00:36.559
rating is seven point two. It's
pretty good, it's not it's not bad

767
01:00:36.639 --> 01:00:39.760
for a UFO documentary. Let's check
and see what Velma is at right now?

768
01:00:42.519 --> 01:00:45.079
Or or have you guys not not
not watching the slow decline of that?

769
01:00:45.679 --> 01:00:49.599
I'm not even is it the Scooby
Doo movie. No, it's the

770
01:00:49.599 --> 01:00:55.880
Scooby Doo HBO show. That's apparently
people are very angry, not enough,

771
01:00:58.440 --> 01:01:06.039
not enough enemy titties. I who
knows umo snacks? Okay. Velma is

772
01:01:06.079 --> 01:01:14.719
currently sitting at a one point three
WOW rating. Go for it U thirty

773
01:01:14.760 --> 01:01:21.119
thousand reviews. So on that note, um, I guess let's wrap this

774
01:01:21.239 --> 01:01:24.800
up. We've had We've been the
nights at the round table, Derek.

775
01:01:25.079 --> 01:01:30.079
Where can people find more from you? You can find me anywhere you find

776
01:01:30.199 --> 01:01:32.199
fine podcasts. Mine will also be
there. It's not a fine podcast,

777
01:01:32.239 --> 01:01:37.039
but it'll be there too. Monsters
among Us podcast. It's a callin show

778
01:01:37.079 --> 01:01:43.400
about monsters and aliens and ghosts and
weird stuff. We release every Thursday.

779
01:01:43.800 --> 01:01:46.599
And uh, yank you find me
on social media as well? All right,

780
01:01:46.719 --> 01:01:50.320
David? Where can people find more
from you? You can find more

781
01:01:50.360 --> 01:01:57.199
blurry photos, same places where monsters
among us can be found. I'm not

782
01:01:57.239 --> 01:02:04.719
putting a lot out there these days. UM, but um, you can

783
01:02:04.760 --> 01:02:08.760
also find me on a Hysteria fifty
one, UM and Quiz Quiz Bang Bang,

784
01:02:08.800 --> 01:02:12.960
my trivia podcast. I'm doing more
stuff with those of these days.

785
01:02:13.559 --> 01:02:16.719
UM. Also audiobooks, just search
Tom Lyons. I'll be there alongside Derek

786
01:02:17.199 --> 01:02:22.360
and a lot of those. And
UM that's uh yeah, those are the

787
01:02:22.360 --> 01:02:24.039
places you can find. Hum me, you just forget to plug that.

788
01:02:27.079 --> 01:02:30.480
Um. You can of course find
zignis where you find great podcasts, like

789
01:02:30.519 --> 01:02:37.039
the two others mentioned that three four
others mentioned. Sorry, there's so many

790
01:02:37.239 --> 01:02:39.519
David, you're David, You're doing
so many podcasts. Um, you can

791
01:02:39.559 --> 01:02:43.840
find us where you find those great
podcasts, well, where pop culture podcasts

792
01:02:43.920 --> 01:02:47.920
or we cover everything in pop culture. So definitely check us out that zeng

793
01:02:49.519 --> 01:02:53.440
this and uh, this has been
another night at the round Table.