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All right, welcome back. And
the book is School World Order. Let

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me get this where I'm not getting
some glare on its School World Order.

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The author is John Klasik, and
he I think when I think Jason Barker,

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we're telling me about this and actually
buying this book and sending it to

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me. So thank you, Jason, appreciate it. I'll let me tell

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you just a little bit about John, and then we'll let him tell you

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about his book. He has an
mb an m A in English and has

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taught college rhetoric and research argumentation for
over a decade. His literary scholarship concentrates

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on the history of global eugenics and
Aldus Huxley's dystopic novel Brave New World.

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He's the author of this book here, School World Order, the technocratic globalization

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of corporatized education. And he's a
contributor to Unlimited, Hangout New Politics,

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the Center for Research on Mobilization.
Activists post him many other publications, and

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he is also holds a black belt
in classical Taekwondo, certified kickboxing instructor under

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the Mutai Boxing Association. So be
nice to him because and pronounce his name

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correctly. I think I do have
your name correctly, John Kaisek, Is

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that correct? Okay, thank you
for joining us, and let's talk a

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little bit about this because there's it's
a very long list of adjectives there,

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technocratic, globalization, corporatized education,
but those are all very significant, and

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so tell us how you see this
folding out. I see your work.

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By the way, let me just
say this and you actively acknowledge this is

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really kind of an extension of what
Charlotte does would be began talking about,

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but you're bringing it up to date
and fleshing it out with the current situation

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as well as a lot of the
organizations that are behind this. But it

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really is global thing. It really
is part of the global technocracy as well,

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isn't it. Yeah? Definitely,
Yeah, it definitely is an extension

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of Charlotte's work. One of the
most significant things that she did was leak

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something called Project Best that was Basic
Education Skills through Technology, and effectively,

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it was a plan to corporate tize
the education system through public private partnerships with

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big technology corporations that would implement scnary
and operating conditioning to condition students for workforce

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training. And I have recently in
the last couple of years. I guess

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it was after the book. Anyways, recently after the book, wrote a

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piece on a package of files that
she gave me on something called UNESCO Study

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eleven, which was actually sort of
the international version of Project Best, or

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another way to say that is that
Project Best was sort of our domestic version

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of this UNESCO project. And so
that sort of gives you an overview of

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sort of the technocratic, the globalist, and the corporate angle. So the

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book basically goes through the evolution of
the privatization of big government schooling and then

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sort of looks at how that is
going to be facilitated through these ed tech

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partnerships. And then I sort of
go through a series of different technologies that

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are being implemented, and those are
adaptive learning course where socioemotional biofeedback, wearables,

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and then eventually bring computer interfaces that
will hook up to social credit algorithms.

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There's a lot of stuff there,
but you know, basically, you

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talk about school world order, and
if we understand what the new world order

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is, I would say, let's
see if you agree with this. This

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really when we're talking about global governance, it is a fascist merger of government

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and these multinational corporations of technocracy.
It's a key part of it. And

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so what you do in terms of
talking about school world order, you show

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how this is being used as a
seminal way to establish that new world order.

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Getting the kids at an early age. The public private partnerships that are

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talking about that is a real concern. Every time we see that. You

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know, you understand what is happening
with that, a Courson, and you

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know, whether we're looking at the
green agenda or that we're looking at the

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pharmaceutical agenda, there's always these public
private partnerships. It's always a merger of

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governments and corporations for global governance.
And that's what is really happening with the

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way these the schools are being redesigned
these educational programs. Talk to us a

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little bit about what was going on
with Betsy Divace, because you talk a

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great deal about Trump's education secretary,
the corporation that she had before she became

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an education secretary, her vision of
that, and how she's moving along this

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public private partnership and this you know, their vision of what they want to

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do with kids. Basically, Yeah, so there's three significant things to play

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out as far as divaces corporatization agenda, and so one would be her connection

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to a company called K twelve,
Inc. Which was the first virtual charter

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school that was ever established. It's
one of the largest, it might be

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the largest in the United States at
this point. Was actually created by Secretary

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of Education Bill Bennett, who took
over the took the torch from THH.

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Bell. THH. Bell was the
guy that set up Project Best, so

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he basically carried on the tenants of
Project Best and eventually developed this virtual charter

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school out of that. Out of
that agenda, Betsy Divos was involved in

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the funding of K twelve Inc.
Early on. She was also heavily involved

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in something called alex SO. That's
the American Legislative Exchange Counsel, And what

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they do is basically create boiler plate
legislative temp plates to hand out to various

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state and federal representatives, and then
they take that draft and they make their

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own bills based on it. And
so one of the things that came out

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of ALEC was something called the Virtual
Public Schools Act, and Divos was on.

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She also helped fund ALEC with some
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is like the American Federation for Children. And then the third thing that's significant

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to note about the boss was that
she was invested. I think she was

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on the board of trustees or the
board of directors of a company called Neurocore

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Neuralcore Traffics in EEG wearables. So
these are some of the biofeedback wearables.

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It's basically a halo or a headband
the kids can wear and a data the

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egs while they're doing work, and
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tracks. They're personalized learning based on
those headbands. That's one of the things

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in your book that I thought was
very interesting and I had not thought about

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this before, and that is how
important it is for then we get all

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kinds of information about kids. The
data mining is so important, and we

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see this happening now as we move
into artificial intelligence. Everybody is is manic

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about sweeping up as much information as
they can everywhere, and so that's especially

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true of our kids. You know, they have to train their artificial intelligence.

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They need massive amounts of data.
The more data they can get,

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the better their AI is going to
be. And so they're trying to grab

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the stuff from our kids. And
it's not just looking at their test score

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results or their essays and anything,
but your point's actually looking at their egs

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or whatever. They're looking at the
brain waves that they've got. It's absolutely

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amazing how manic they are about following
all this, and very sinister. I

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would say, as well, yeah
it basically, you know, the way

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I looked at it was that you
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going to personalize learning for the children, but actually is whatever the children might

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be learning from these technologies, the
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which leads me to conclude the basic
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is the data mining to develop the
AI. It's not the use of the

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technology to develop the children. And
you know, interestingly enough so the bio

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feedback wearables and the learning course where
the biofeedback wariables are basically data mining the

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students emotional or feeling algorithms. The
adaptive learning course where is data mining what

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they call their cognitive behavioral Basically,
they're thinking algorithms and it's all based on

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opera and conditioning stimulus response loops,
which you can basically just convert to from

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stimulus response to input output and you
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feeds the artificial intelligence. So for
people who don't know about what I mean

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by stimulus response, it's basically it's
the basis of all behavioral psychology. It

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was started by Wilhelm Winz. He
came up with the first laboratory psychology department

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in Leipzig, Germany, and basically
his theory was that all of human consciousness,

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all of learning, is actually just
neurological reflexes to environmental stimuli. So

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you know, the classic example would
be like Pavlov's dog, and so you

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know, you can associate natural responses
to natural stimuli. You can condition artificial

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responses to artificial stimuli by by putting
the two together, right, So associating

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the food and the dog, right, the food is the natural stimulati dog

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salivates. If you associate the artificial
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that with the salivation. You can
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you move down the line over you
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like el Forndyke and eventually BF Skinner
and basically he takes this idea of stimulus

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response, adds a series of rewards
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positive and negative, and then converts
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stimuli. So he had these analog
teaching machines and he basically you know,

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so the learning stimuli would be,
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choice matching something like that. The
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So the analog of machines would have
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view masters. So it'd be like
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with the different learning stimuli, a
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etc. And then there'd be two
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we describe the answer, and as
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an automated feedback. And then eventually
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distribute chocolate to have the reinforcement mechanism. So you just take that concept and

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you digitize it and replace the gears
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clicks on a mouse and clicks on
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make it some video games in there, some some other multimedia to make it

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more interactive. But the idea is
basically the same that we're What they're data

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mining is the feedback loop between how
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in the curriculum. And I think
one of the things about it, you

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know BF Skinner his book Beyond Freedom
and Dignity. When I saw that,

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and again that's always been a big
part of educational curriculum. Karen had that

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issues getting our master's de Great Education. It's like, what is that?

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And I started reading this is horrific
because his idea is that we are all

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simply animals and he can manipulate us
very quickly. And his training mechanism has

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been very effective for training animals,
you know, pigeons or dolphins or whatever,

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dogs, cats, you know,
his operant conditioning, you associate the

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clicker chaining training if you've ever seen
that, that is very effective. But

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they treat us like animals, and
he says, you don't have that.

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You know, you're there's nothing special
about you. It's antithetical to everything that

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we believe religiously, everything that our
society is based on, the Bill of

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Rights and all the rest of this
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We're no different from the animals,
and they treat us as animals. And

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that's a very telling thing that that's
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That's how they see us. And
then also the fact that they feel

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entitled then to manipulate us for their
purposes. And that's what we're seeing with

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these corporations and these people. You
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like Betsy of Us and uh,
you know the where they're having meetings and

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they've got Bill Gates and and Tim
Cook and Betsy DeVos and um uh,

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Peter Thiel, all these people who
are essentially looking at how they can make

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money off of us and also how
they can control that's really kind of the

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public private partnership, isn't it control
for government and money for these corporations.

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And they see us as their their
slaves to manipulate, don't they. Yeah,

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And they basically see us as the
term they use as human capital.

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And so one of these terms it's
often used as human capital management. So

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not only are you the are you
the workforce drone, but you're you're also

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and not only are you the consumer
of the products that you produce. But

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you are yourself the product, right, you are the you are the reservoir

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of data that they're using to basically
create this artificial intelligence that will be used

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to basically dictate your life through social
credit systems that will basically permit a restricted

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access to the public square. Commercial
service is everything from healthcare, transportation,

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housing, education, jobs, may
even have you know, China they have

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blacklists for you know, so you
can't even gather in public and things if

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you have you know, a wrong
think in some of your social media speech

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and whatnot. But you know,
as you know, it basically is the

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repudiation of anything regarding our notion of
a soul or consciousness. Right. And

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so for Skinner, you know,
basically in that book beyond Freeman Diemity,

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what it indicates is that for him, you know, the very notion of

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morality, of consciousness, of free
will like these are all basically antiquarian sort

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of superstitions, uh that have gone
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actually say that someone is wrong or
bad or immoral. You can only say

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that the environment that he or she
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Right. In other words, whatever
in all actions this person might exhibit,

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is it's not. It has nothing
to do with the nature of their own

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soul or consciousness. It has everything
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to. And you know, once
you reduce human consciousness uh to basically algorithms

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to basically stimulus response inputs and outputs, uh, you know, we're left

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in a situation, as you sort
of alluded to, in which the very

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notion of any form of democratic uh
self governance is also antiquarian. Because if

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there's nothing, if there is no
consciousness, right, there is no agency,

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then you have no you have there's
no justification for you to uh oppose

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or to resist any the larger social
credit system. Right. If the social

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credit system, if we can come
up with the data that will make you

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behave in the proper manner, it
doesn't matter what you might you know in

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your in your illusionary conscious to robot, because that's all just ephemeral. It's

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like in Homogaeus that's uh you Harari's
book where he goes deep into transhumanism,

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he equates consciousness basically. The analogy
he uses is to the roar an engine

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makes as it's flying through the air. Right, The roar that an engine

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makes when a plane is flying is
entirely secondary. Right, It doesn't actually

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propel the vehicle through the sky.
Right, It's just it's a secondary effect.

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And so for him, right,
the inner monologue that you have inside

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your head, right, the thing
that you recognize as yourself, your consciousness,

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your soul, that that's just the
roar of an engine makes. It's

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right, it's it's it's not actually
it's secondary. It's just it's it's the

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sounds you hear when all those chemicals
bounce around in your head. Wow.

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of that, the fact that they're
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for people's actions. And we see
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you know we can't when the liberals
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Right, we're not going to punish
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we'll rehabilitate them with some manipulation.
Of course that never works, but

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we're not going to hold them morally
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product of their environment. Right.
You hear that over and over again.

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Well, where does that come from. That comes from this pervasive idea BF

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Skinner and others of behavioral stuff.
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up to observe us. They can
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get you know, they can tap
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can they can market that, they
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so we've known for the longest time
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it comes to free stuff free social
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just by collecting all that information that
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manipulate us, especially with the ability
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concerning thing. But now it's going
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you AI and grabbing that information with
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the charter school thing, because I've
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who's done excellent documentary called Killing d
looking at what was the worst case scenario

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in a sense of corruption raps,
and that is the photological movement and how

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much money they were getting out of
the charter school stuff. But but talk

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a little bit about charter schools as
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technocracy and this kind of fascist control
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So I see the evolution of the
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in the mid eighteen yards, and
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phase. It sort of starts actually
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General Education Board that was created by
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Institution Carnegie Center for the Advanced me
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and then eventually the Department of Education. But the third phase is then this

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corporatization phase, so you basically force
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school. Then you bloat the budget
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seen recently, right when we hit
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is this is actually how I started
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the governor in Illinois was guy named
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There's actually a round charter school.
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the Noble Network of Charter Schools in
Chicago. And basically what was happening was

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the federal they wouldn't pass the budget, which meant they couldn't get state funds,

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one of my departments, the adult
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and at the time was actually ninety
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that meant that the whole department shutdown. So I broke this article corporatization of

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education, and Charlotte saw it,
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her and all that. But basically, right they use after blowing getting you

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and go, oh, here's the
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these public private partnerships. And you
know the thing about it is and you're

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seeing this push right now, right
like that, you see it especially as

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a sort of an election thing where
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schools choice stuff is sort of the
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with the wokeness schools right now.
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you know the charter schools, what
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school because they're subsidized by federal dollars. Right, and once you put the

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federal strings attached, right, you're
that's right, Yeah, you're we're frozen

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there. Okay, Sorry, it
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Go ahead. Sorry, it's even
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school because yeah, I saw something
FROs Where did I cut at? Uh?

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Yeah, it froze, but I
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continue with where you were. We
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were talking about the federal dollars and
how they if they control the money,

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they control the purse strings, they
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freezing up again on us. Okay, right, and it's even schools because

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are we gonna need to Yeah,
let's uh, okay, cut. So

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what do I think I think we
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connection. Yeah, let's try to
re establish connection and uh, John,

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and we're going to uh, we're
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recall you. Maybe we'll get something
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know why it's freezing like that.
I think it's okay. Should wait Travis

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as he thinks you're okay, he
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just go ahead and continue. We're
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the private funds, of course the
government is going to control it. They're

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going to first bribe people and then
they will blackmail you once you get used

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to their money. Right, that's
what always happens. They go ahead,

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right, and it's worse than just
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school, at least you have an
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how poorer or whoever might be in
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and vote the people out right.
With the corporate charter school there that that

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doesn't exist, right, they have
a corporate board. There is no voting

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anybody out right, you're basically stock
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once if they can convert a large
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private system, basically what you'll have
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any democratic resource to any elected school
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conservative thing, not just for the
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pushers of charter schools. Arnie Duncan, who is the Secretary of Education and

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received massive funding from the Bill and
Mullindy Gates Foundation. He basically he kicked

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off all of the charter school privatization
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Secretary of Education. And then you
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he belongs to the American Federation for
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that Betsy new Boss is part of
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was what came up with these ten
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for the Work for Public Schools Act. So what you see here as just

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that Democrats Republicans have both pushed it, but they've actually been involved in some

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of the same foundations and other institutions
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it's it's not a left right thing. It's it's it's it's just a dialectical

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thing. Yeah. Yeah, when
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they're pushing at us, you see
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see the public private partnership, you
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one of the things that you mentioned
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the things that's driving this with the
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we see in terms of the wokeness
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to have more control of the schools, and they think that they're going to

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get that with a charter school.
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of the things that the corporations have
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and so how does this competence thing
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something called outcomes based education, okay, and outcomes based education DOVETAILS was something

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that was called PPBS Planning, Programming
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by the RAND Corporation, was first
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was sort of outsourced as a way
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of the education institutions, right,
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have some uh, some predetermined outcomes
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workforce development and the other one would
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the civic development. And that's basically
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clarification. Nowadays, you know,
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Christian values to you know, this
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ideology. And then the workforce development
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skills that they need. So the
way that you train those outcuts. The

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way you achieve those outcomes through the
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particular competencies. Okay, and they
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have social emotional learning competencies and the
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collaborative collaborative for something social emotional learning, and you know, they have these

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vague categories of like you know,
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grit and self esteem and things like
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can think of the social emotional stuff
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guess the look agenda. But the
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would be uh more I guess promoted
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created by the American Confederation of Teachers
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was different about the AFT from the
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is largely considered a union of professional
associations. The AFT is considered a trade

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union. And so the AFT was
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basically so that they could get on
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of training the students for those workforce
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document where Shanker admits that he met
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the eighties, and he also said
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from IBM. So the competency based
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for job skills, but also some
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kind of interesting to me because you
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and the right is buying into the
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beginning, is about manipulating the kids. As you know, some you know,

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animal devoid of any morality, devoid
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any of that kind of stuff.
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really skinner esque in their manipulation.
It's just what their immediate goals are focused

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on, and the left buys into
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the other one. And yet the
reality is is that even competence is not

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really what our kids need, is
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be something there where they understand the
bigger picture. And I'm thinking John back

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to R. L. Dabney who
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and education, and he said,
you can train people for certain things,

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but that's not education. And if
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his mind it was his view of
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look, any kind of competency in

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training, where you're training people to
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That's fine, but you've got to
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some kind of a moral foundation or
religious foundation, and we don't want government

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having anything to do with that.
And it's gonna be real problematic if government

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is involved in that. And and
but you know the rest of the stuff

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is, if you take that out, you know, what are you going

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to wind up with. You're going
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you know, no moral basis whatsoever. And that's what we're really seeing and

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both the woke and the competence stuff, isn't it. It's just the different

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angles that people coming out at it
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kids. And they all see the
kids as a product to be manipulated,

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don't they. Yeah. I mean, so so you plant out sort of

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this this left wing version, this
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sort of being the critical theory and
the woke stuff basically a form of called

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for Marxism. So that's basically you
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this Heagallion ideology. And on the
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training, the public private partnerships between
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a planned economy, I mean that's
the fascist anger or the right wing version

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of Hegelianism. So both so what
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and history historically. The Hegelianism and
you know, Hegold basically believed that it

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was a collectivist philosophy. Uh.
He basically had this theory that, um,

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the history evolves through ideas, there's
usually a dominant idea that he called

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the thesis and there's you know,
the these other ideas that sort of uh

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that come in conflict with that uh, and those are the antithesis. And

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then through that you come you come
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the synthesis was expressed in the state, right, so all the contradictions between

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the thesis and the antithesis would eventually
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which he said was God marshing on
earth. So UH in both is

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basically what you have is uh,
two pillars that have built what today is

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called stakeholder capitalism, being pushed by
the World Economic Format in the Great Reset

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and was actually developed in the seventies
by Cloud Schwab. And if and when

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you look at what are the two
tenants of your stakeholder capitalism? Will you

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have your public private partnerships, right, but then you also have your your

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d EI or diversity equity inclusion based
on the different stakeholders and with a particular

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emphasis on what they call community based
stakeholders. Okay, And this actually leads

406
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us into another This is sort of
the left wing counterpart to the charter school

407
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privatization, and that's something called community
schools and the way that those privatized is

408
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through something called wraparound services, and
these wrap around services in the Every Student

409
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Succeeds act. To be a full
service community school, you have to have

410
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these public private wrap around or sometimes
they call them pipeline services, and that's

411
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where the school plugs into healthcare,
workforce training programs with the in demand industries

412
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in the local areas. And then
also like criminal justice so to programs to

413
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prevent at risk youth from becoming delinquents. Um and so again, right,

414
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you see these these sort of this
left wing version, this right wing version,

415
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but they both basically come together in
the same projects at the end.

416
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Yeah, it's kind of interesting.
You're talking about the social emotional learning in

417
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the SEL is what we typically see
it abbreviated AS and uh, you know

418
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that that is going in and starting
to look at as you point out,

419
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bringing the larger community aspect, the
family and that type of thing. But

420
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of course, you know, in
their vision, there is no family.

421
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There's just you know, God marching
through society in the form of government.

422
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U talk a little bit about what
happened during the Trump administration with Betsy Devas

423
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and some of the things that happened
there is as I look at this lockdown

424
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the more I look at it,
reading your book and their emphasis, Devas's

425
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emphasis on uh, you know,
remote learning and monitoring the kids, all

426
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of that is part of it.
I thought, well, that, you

427
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know, really played into kind of
their vision of a more technological education.

428
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As Charlotte Desser we had talked about, you know, the monitoring what the

429
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kids are doing, feeding it to
them through the computer. That was the

430
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way everybody was being forced to operate
and do school during the lockdown. Really

431
00:32:24.000 --> 00:32:28.200
helped to advance that. I've talked
many times about how it gave parents an

432
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opportunity to see what was happening with
the let's CRT stuff and the LGBT stuff

433
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in their in their classrooms. But
I think a lot of them didn't really

434
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realize the bigger picture of how it
was drawing the kids into this technological paradigm

435
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of getting their education through the computer
box. Did they? Yeah. One

436
00:32:50.480 --> 00:32:55.160
of the things that was passed early
on during the whole lockdown phase were some

437
00:32:55.279 --> 00:33:01.359
new federal regulations on distance learning and
believe the Federal Regulations FR. One eight

438
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sixty three eight. And what they
did was this is righting is I don't

439
00:33:07.640 --> 00:33:08.599
want to say it's like April,
so this is like a month or two

440
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into into the lockdowns. Before before
these new regulations, you had in order

441
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to be accredited. For for a
course to be accredited and transferable to other

442
00:33:21.279 --> 00:33:23.920
institutions, you had to have a
certain number of what we're known as Carnegie

443
00:33:24.000 --> 00:33:29.880
units, okay, and Carnegie units
are measured in terms of um classroom hours,

444
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in other words, hours during which
the student is in contact with the

445
00:33:32.839 --> 00:33:38.359
human teacher right in which the student
is gaining some form of instruction through interaction

446
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with the instructor. And so with
these federal or these new regulations did in

447
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early April of I guess twenty twenty
was they authorized the substitution of that that

448
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human human human interactions student to teacher
interaction with quote adaptive learning and quote artificial

449
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intelligence. And then the term CBE
or competency based education is used over one

450
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hundred times in those federal regulations.
So basically what they did was they said,

451
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no, you don't have to have
all that human interaction anymore. We

452
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can we can accredit you if just
based on the students using adaptive learning courseware,

453
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which as I mentioned, is the
modern digital version of the Skinner Box.

454
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And what one thing I should also
add about that is that the algorithms

455
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they tell you, like on some
of the company, the Adaptive Learning courseware

456
00:34:30.360 --> 00:34:32.679
company, some of them are There's
Clever, There's Newton. Both of those

457
00:34:32.880 --> 00:34:36.480
are funded by Peter Field, by
the way, who had a private meeting

458
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with the boss at one point,
wash you secretary, but then you had

459
00:34:40.239 --> 00:34:45.639
other like Spart Smart Sparrow and then
Bright's basically dream Box. And in dream

460
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Box they specifically say not only that
the algorithms they use are based on Skinner's

461
00:34:52.400 --> 00:34:59.119
operating conditioning algorithms, but they're also
based on the same algorithms that Netflix uses

462
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for behavioral ad advertise. So so
built into it is this right It sort

463
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of it gets us back to we're
data mining students not just to develop this

464
00:35:07.360 --> 00:35:12.079
AI, but also to enhance our
abilities to you know, turn the students

465
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into human human capital resources. Yeah, it's just amazing how manipulated it all

466
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is. And while we're talking about
manipulation, you know, we talked a

467
00:35:19.840 --> 00:35:24.840
little bit about BF Skinner define Skinner
Box for our audience. Yeah, the

468
00:35:24.920 --> 00:35:30.840
Skinner Box. Um, so it's
a play on what was called the puzzle

469
00:35:30.840 --> 00:35:34.320
box. Experiments that were created by
E. L. Thorndyke. So you

470
00:35:34.360 --> 00:35:39.599
know whereas um Woot was doing what
was called basically associative or classical conditioning right,

471
00:35:39.599 --> 00:35:45.719
just seeing if you could get certain
responses in association with particular stimuli.

472
00:35:45.480 --> 00:35:50.840
U el Thorndyke will come with these
puzzle box experiments where he put the rat

473
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in the maze right where the pigeon
has to click the button or something like

474
00:35:53.400 --> 00:35:58.159
that, right to see not just
can you have this, have the animal

475
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associate certain refle is a certain stimuli, but but can you can it be

476
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performative or to use Skinner's term,
this is why he uses it operate right.

477
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In other words, could with the
with the right schedule and the right

478
00:36:09.320 --> 00:36:15.400
system of stimuli, could you condition
the animal to perform operations or procedures right?

479
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And that would be more readily transferable
to conditioning a human being to right

480
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perform particular workforce operations. So that
term Skinner box was basically just what he

481
00:36:27.280 --> 00:36:31.039
called the little animal the different experiments
he did with his animals. But later

482
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when he came up with his teaching
machines, he literally said that the that

483
00:36:36.679 --> 00:36:39.360
the teaching machine is my box,
right, so for him that you could

484
00:36:39.400 --> 00:36:45.880
use the skinner box both as a
reference to the animal contraptions that condition the

485
00:36:45.880 --> 00:36:51.159
animals, but also the early iterations
of the teaching machines. And so in

486
00:36:51.159 --> 00:36:53.440
a general sense, you know,
what we're looking at are more sophisticated extended

487
00:36:53.519 --> 00:36:59.239
versions of the skinner box. When
you're talking about this computer instruction. Uh,

488
00:37:00.000 --> 00:37:04.800
as they're using it, right.
Yeah, And honestly, the entire

489
00:37:04.840 --> 00:37:07.480
social credit system is just a giant
skinner boxing you think about it, because

490
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everything is basically conditioning you to write
through rewards and punishments right through. Like

491
00:37:14.599 --> 00:37:16.400
either you know, in China,
if you have a really high social credit

492
00:37:16.440 --> 00:37:20.679
score, you can get discounts on
your hotels, or right, you can

493
00:37:21.079 --> 00:37:22.920
you can jump to the front of
the line at the doctor's office. Right,

494
00:37:23.199 --> 00:37:27.440
Those would be the rewards. The
punishments are like, uh, you

495
00:37:27.480 --> 00:37:30.800
know, you're gonna have to pay
extra if you want that beer this week,

496
00:37:30.880 --> 00:37:34.840
or you're gonna have to pay extra, you know, to play this

497
00:37:35.000 --> 00:37:38.039
video game, or you're not allowed
in the store today because you're you're not

498
00:37:38.159 --> 00:37:42.760
up to date on your vaccine or
whatever it might be. So you know,

499
00:37:42.840 --> 00:37:46.480
everywhere you go, every every institution, public or private right that you're

500
00:37:46.519 --> 00:37:53.199
incentivized to basically gain access through these
different digital rewards and punishments. It's interesting

501
00:37:53.199 --> 00:37:55.400
that we see the same thing as
being used over and over again. They've

502
00:37:55.400 --> 00:37:59.320
got same mo for everything. You
got to monitor everybody, use that to

503
00:37:59.599 --> 00:38:04.559
manipe Waite and course people, but
also to have complete, uh you know,

504
00:38:04.599 --> 00:38:07.440
foresight as to everything that is happening. There's also a eugenics aspect to

505
00:38:07.519 --> 00:38:10.239
this as well that you talked about
in your book, talk about how they're

506
00:38:10.239 --> 00:38:16.920
applying eugenics and education. Yeah,
so it really comes out of the mental

507
00:38:17.079 --> 00:38:22.199
hygiene branch of eugenics. So eugenics
back in the day there was two there

508
00:38:22.280 --> 00:38:24.119
was two branches, right, there
was what was called race hygiene, and

509
00:38:24.199 --> 00:38:29.159
then there was mental hygiene. And
the race hygiene is most well known in

510
00:38:29.239 --> 00:38:36.280
terms of Hitler's you know, attack
on Jews and other ethnic populations that were

511
00:38:36.280 --> 00:38:39.639
not airing. Right. And so
basically also here in the United States would

512
00:38:39.639 --> 00:38:43.960
say, you know, Margaret saying
her intention to you know, board black

513
00:38:44.039 --> 00:38:45.639
kids, you know, because she
didn't like black kids, that type of

514
00:38:45.639 --> 00:38:49.880
thing. Yeah, yeah, one
hundred percent, And you know, and

515
00:38:49.920 --> 00:38:54.480
it was the Rockefeller Foundation from here, right that funded the Kaiser Wilhelm Institute

516
00:38:54.480 --> 00:38:59.519
for Anthropology, Human Heredity, and
Eugenics. And then you had people like

517
00:38:59.599 --> 00:39:02.800
Charles Avenport, who was pen pals
with some of the people that were running

518
00:39:02.800 --> 00:39:07.360
some of the Kaiser Villehulm institutes.
One of them would have been Fritz Lens.

519
00:39:07.880 --> 00:39:10.440
There was a couple others that escaped
me right now, but so so

520
00:39:10.480 --> 00:39:15.559
the so the Hilarian eugenics project was
actually an extension of the American corportization of

521
00:39:15.599 --> 00:39:21.400
the British eugenics project. It started
with really with Darwin and then ultimately his

522
00:39:21.519 --> 00:39:25.599
cousin basically took that idea of natural
selections that we can basically control evolution,

523
00:39:25.639 --> 00:39:29.639
we can steer it through what you
call positive eugenics. So that was like

524
00:39:29.679 --> 00:39:32.800
inbreeding between the elites and the negative
eugenics, which was to sort of call

525
00:39:32.960 --> 00:39:37.039
the gene pool from the unfit,
and that would be like sterilization, uthan

526
00:39:37.119 --> 00:39:40.840
asia abortion, okay, And those
would have been applied in terms of race

527
00:39:40.920 --> 00:39:45.599
hygiene just based on your ethnic lineage. But let's say, you know,

528
00:39:45.800 --> 00:39:52.119
let's say you you fit the ethnic
profile to be acceptable to to you know,

529
00:39:52.360 --> 00:39:55.840
Hitler or whoever. If your IQ
was too low or you had some

530
00:39:55.880 --> 00:40:00.039
other mental issue, right, well, you still needed to be sterilized or

531
00:40:00.039 --> 00:40:04.880
otherwise segregated from society, and that
was called the mental hygiene. And one

532
00:40:04.920 --> 00:40:08.480
of the aspects of mental hygiene was
based on the IQ tests, which were

533
00:40:08.480 --> 00:40:15.079
developed the early Simon's ben A IQ
tests, and so basically what they would

534
00:40:15.119 --> 00:40:17.360
do is, you know, you
had your meme was one hundred, and

535
00:40:17.400 --> 00:40:23.679
then every ten points below that deviation
from the average was considered either and these

536
00:40:23.719 --> 00:40:28.320
were like scientific terms at the time. He had like moron, idiot,

537
00:40:28.360 --> 00:40:32.239
imbecile, like these were categories that
would render you to be either you know,

538
00:40:32.280 --> 00:40:37.280
putting a home or sterilized, etc. So based on this theory,

539
00:40:37.360 --> 00:40:43.199
what you get over time was well
basically gets brought back with the Bell curve.

540
00:40:44.079 --> 00:40:46.760
And Charles Murray wrote the Bell curve. And by the way, he

541
00:40:47.280 --> 00:40:52.880
has attended builderberg meetings. Yeah,
he's pushing a universal basic income now as

542
00:40:52.880 --> 00:40:54.320
well. You know, he's one
of these guys talking about losing ground and

543
00:40:54.360 --> 00:40:58.840
how the welfare system had not worked. But now he's out there pushing universe

544
00:40:59.119 --> 00:41:01.000
versal basic in comp I didn't know
that he had attended the builder Bergs,

545
00:41:01.000 --> 00:41:07.199
but that makes perfectly good sense.
Yeah, and I noted that in the

546
00:41:07.239 --> 00:41:09.880
book that you know, this libertarian
guy is for a UBI, right.

547
00:41:09.920 --> 00:41:15.880
And what's funny is one of the
things they used to justify their data was

548
00:41:15.920 --> 00:41:19.639
something called the flint effect. And
the flint effect basically said this that.

549
00:41:20.159 --> 00:41:23.239
So the question was, you know, after after we discovered the horrors of

550
00:41:23.280 --> 00:41:28.239
the Holocaust, you know, eugenics
became this four letter word, and they

551
00:41:28.360 --> 00:41:30.239
changed a lot of a lot of
The Eugenic Society has changed their name,

552
00:41:30.320 --> 00:41:35.480
so the British Eugenic Society became the
Gulf Institute recently changed its name again like

553
00:41:35.559 --> 00:41:37.760
this year, last year, I
can't remember what it is. UM.

554
00:41:37.840 --> 00:41:43.000
The the American Eugenic Society is something
like the Society for the Study of Social

555
00:41:43.000 --> 00:41:49.000
Biology, Okay, but basically it
went underground into something called crypto eugenics UM

556
00:41:49.079 --> 00:41:52.639
and UM those would have been things
like you know, basically, you know,

557
00:41:52.639 --> 00:41:55.360
it was Friedrich Osborn, you know, the abortion was for him a

558
00:41:55.920 --> 00:42:00.840
good use for um a crypto eugenics
and sort of you know what we saw

559
00:42:00.880 --> 00:42:06.119
in terms of the concerns of overpopulation
over the over the decades that sort of

560
00:42:06.119 --> 00:42:09.400
culminated in UM in uh, you
know, the one child policy in China.

561
00:42:09.480 --> 00:42:13.400
These were all these were also you
know for people like Osborne, who

562
00:42:13.440 --> 00:42:15.760
by the way, was a member
of the American Eugenetics Society, that these

563
00:42:15.800 --> 00:42:21.800
were these were also methods of crypto
eugenics. Okay, But so so people

564
00:42:22.000 --> 00:42:28.000
started to wonder or the question was
was that IQ score based on genetics or

565
00:42:28.039 --> 00:42:30.000
was it based on the environment.
And so they started to do some studies

566
00:42:30.039 --> 00:42:37.039
over time that showed that IQ scores
had had risen over over the decades,

567
00:42:37.239 --> 00:42:39.639
and they attributed a lot of a
lot of that too, access to education

568
00:42:39.679 --> 00:42:44.880
and things. But what what they
also studied, Um, so somebody like

569
00:42:45.320 --> 00:42:47.119
Jim Flynn, he would have looked
at them and said, see this means

570
00:42:47.159 --> 00:42:52.519
that uh to the and and none
of these guys are just in one camp

571
00:42:52.599 --> 00:42:53.559
or the other. It's sort of
like, right, it's a ratio like

572
00:42:53.599 --> 00:42:57.280
how much of it is genetic,
how much of it is environment But for

573
00:42:57.360 --> 00:43:01.199
Jim Flynn it's more environmental, Dadnport
or Charles Murray, people like that,

574
00:43:01.480 --> 00:43:05.239
Richard Lynn. Um, I'm trying
to think of some of these other guys

575
00:43:05.280 --> 00:43:08.559
that were part of the Pioneer Fund, which was basically this is basically this

576
00:43:08.800 --> 00:43:13.840
white supremacists think tank, you had
people like Felipe A. J. Rushton,

577
00:43:13.960 --> 00:43:19.239
ARFM. Jensen, Um, Linda
Godferdson, okay um. And basically

578
00:43:19.400 --> 00:43:22.320
what people like that would have said
is they look at the Flint effect and

579
00:43:22.360 --> 00:43:24.880
say, okay, yeah, you're
right. Look you can you can increase

580
00:43:24.960 --> 00:43:30.840
people's IQ with environmental conditions, right, so access to education stuff. But

581
00:43:31.000 --> 00:43:35.119
they said, look, the deviation
stays the same, meaning, right,

582
00:43:35.199 --> 00:43:39.480
Whites are still at one hundred average
Black, brown people, right are going

583
00:43:39.519 --> 00:43:44.639
progressively less. And then Askenazi,
Jews and Asians are always a box.

584
00:43:44.679 --> 00:43:50.360
So like so like, even though
you can increase the the the IQ with

585
00:43:50.360 --> 00:43:53.159
with education and other things, right, the deviation stays the same. So

586
00:43:53.199 --> 00:43:59.280
somebody like Murray says, this means
that we have to personalize education based on

587
00:43:59.360 --> 00:44:05.599
a students genetic IQ. And so
they so the burgeoning trend is called precision

588
00:44:05.719 --> 00:44:08.440
education, and it's a play on
precision medicine, which is a burgeoning field

589
00:44:08.440 --> 00:44:14.519
that basically wants to treat all ailments
it personalize them by treating them based on

590
00:44:14.519 --> 00:44:17.599
your genetic code. And so one
of the ways that they're building the data

591
00:44:17.719 --> 00:44:23.280
to sort of um apply this to
education is you know through companies like twenty

592
00:44:23.280 --> 00:44:27.440
three and me where when you send
your data, your your DNA in there

593
00:44:27.480 --> 00:44:30.599
and you ask them, hey,
what's what's my ethnic image? You can

594
00:44:30.639 --> 00:44:34.679
also check this box and this box
says something like can we use your data

595
00:44:34.800 --> 00:44:37.000
your DNA for research? Well,
if you say yes, right, they'll

596
00:44:37.039 --> 00:44:43.920
try to find sequences in there that
correlate with other other physiological or mental conditions.

597
00:44:43.920 --> 00:44:45.960
And maybe it's allergies, maybe it's
IQ. And they've got a whole

598
00:44:46.000 --> 00:44:52.320
set of stuff on different different sequences
that they think right correlate to IQ.

599
00:44:52.400 --> 00:44:55.760
And I should mention that some of
the that the correlations between these DNA sequences

600
00:44:55.760 --> 00:45:00.239
and IQ is it's not much more
than fifty per which isn't that high,

601
00:45:00.480 --> 00:45:06.800
right, Like you when you're talking
about feeling typic stuff like you know,

602
00:45:06.960 --> 00:45:08.760
skin color, hair type, but
it's like ninety percent right, I mean

603
00:45:08.760 --> 00:45:13.599
like Mendel could could predict it,
you know, just doing his his Punnett

604
00:45:13.599 --> 00:45:16.000
squares with roses and peas and stuff. When it comes to IQ, you

605
00:45:16.039 --> 00:45:19.320
can't, you can't do it like
that. But they think you know that

606
00:45:19.440 --> 00:45:23.000
it's for them there if it's you
know, just like they do with pharmaceuticals.

607
00:45:23.000 --> 00:45:25.840
If it's more than fifty percent.
Uh you know what I mean?

608
00:45:25.880 --> 00:45:30.360
That means that means it's ethicable,
right, um. And so they want

609
00:45:30.360 --> 00:45:31.679
to so they want to take that. And as a guy by the name

610
00:45:31.719 --> 00:45:35.679
of Robert Plouman, he's actually signed
in the Bell curve and he wants to

611
00:45:36.000 --> 00:45:38.159
he wants to apply it through something
called the Learning chip that would basically keep

612
00:45:38.159 --> 00:45:43.159
a record of not just your genetic
IQ, but perhaps other learning disabilities.

613
00:45:43.199 --> 00:45:45.800
And then that would that would set
you on the trajectory of what types of

614
00:45:45.840 --> 00:45:52.159
adaptive learning course where or what types
of wearables you'll need to get you to

615
00:45:52.239 --> 00:45:55.800
the competencies and the outcomes that they
had planned through the PPVs and everything else.

616
00:45:57.079 --> 00:45:59.639
Wow, So they're gonna they're gonna
look at that and they're going to

617
00:45:59.760 --> 00:46:05.159
kind of send you down a track
where very very much like a brave New

618
00:46:05.159 --> 00:46:08.840
World did you talk about, you
know, where maybe they're not manipulating people

619
00:46:08.840 --> 00:46:12.079
in the hatcheries, but they're going
to manipulate you as you go through the

620
00:46:12.119 --> 00:46:15.320
school system to make you somebody who's
going to be a janitor or somebody's going

621
00:46:15.360 --> 00:46:19.360
to be a CEO. They put
you on these different tracks based on how

622
00:46:19.400 --> 00:46:24.159
they so called analyze your genetic makeup, which they currently don't know yet.

623
00:46:24.559 --> 00:46:29.119
Talk a little bit more about these
wearables, because that's one of the creepiest

624
00:46:29.119 --> 00:46:31.800
things. Where are we with that? I haven't seen much of that in

625
00:46:31.920 --> 00:46:37.280
terms of you know, Betsy Devace's
um, what was their their neuron um

626
00:46:38.199 --> 00:46:43.280
the company that she had, Neurocor
Neurocor. Yeah, I haven't seen much

627
00:46:43.280 --> 00:46:45.719
of that. What is the status
of that? Is that really? Is

628
00:46:45.760 --> 00:46:49.719
that still kind of experimental? Have
they rolled that out anywhere? What kind

629
00:46:49.719 --> 00:46:55.320
of devices are they are they working
on? You know, I was busy,

630
00:46:55.360 --> 00:47:00.400
busy, busy, but I thought
last night and then this morning busy

631
00:47:00.400 --> 00:47:01.920
he was like, I should have
sent him you. I should have sent

632
00:47:02.000 --> 00:47:05.559
you the there's a clip, okay, and anybody can check it and I'll

633
00:47:05.559 --> 00:47:07.119
send it to you afterwards. You
can play it on your next episode.

634
00:47:07.159 --> 00:47:10.960
It's a if you go to if
you go on YouTube and you just type

635
00:47:10.960 --> 00:47:19.760
in brainco China WSJ for Wall Street
Journal, you're gonna get a short little

636
00:47:19.800 --> 00:47:25.599
documentary that shows you how in China
how they're using a particular wearable called the

637
00:47:25.639 --> 00:47:30.840
Focus one headband. It's developed by
a company called Brainco. It was developed

638
00:47:30.840 --> 00:47:36.760
by a team of Harvard academics in
partnership with the Chinese State Over Electronics Corporation.

639
00:47:37.159 --> 00:47:39.559
And in this and in this short
documentary which we'll see is classrooms of

640
00:47:39.639 --> 00:47:44.760
students with the halo on their head, and it's feeding that data into a

641
00:47:44.840 --> 00:47:49.920
dashboard on the teacher's desk, and
then the teacher is going to monitor that

642
00:47:50.039 --> 00:47:52.880
and then you know, basically what's
showing is are the students paying attention?

643
00:47:52.920 --> 00:47:58.559
Are they frustrated, are they daydreaming? Are they enjoying the curriculum? All

644
00:47:58.599 --> 00:48:01.480
these types of things, and if
somebody's algorithms go funky, that the teacher,

645
00:48:01.519 --> 00:48:07.000
I guess is supposed to interceed,
right, and it's maybe help get

646
00:48:07.000 --> 00:48:09.440
them back on track. It'll take
that data and it'll send it to the

647
00:48:09.480 --> 00:48:15.320
parents so the parents can punish you
if you weren't following instructions as well.

648
00:48:15.480 --> 00:48:20.119
And then it goes into the broader
social credit database and they show they show

649
00:48:20.199 --> 00:48:22.480
basically, I mean not just the
classroom aspects, but they just show you

650
00:48:22.519 --> 00:48:28.400
know, the broad and social credit
infrastructure with all the surveillance grid technologies that

651
00:48:28.440 --> 00:48:32.719
are basically all all tracking that data
and that associating it with your your digital

652
00:48:32.760 --> 00:48:37.639
idea or your biometric idea as you
move through real space in virtual space.

653
00:48:37.320 --> 00:48:43.480
But in the United States where we're
at with wearables is actually there's a company

654
00:48:43.519 --> 00:48:46.360
called heart Math. So so right
now we've talked about the egs, the

655
00:48:46.440 --> 00:48:52.760
headbands that data mind the brain lives, but there's also wearables that data mind

656
00:48:52.800 --> 00:48:54.800
the heart rate. And one of
the companies that does that is called heart

657
00:48:54.840 --> 00:49:00.719
Math, and I wrote a body
in my book they do. They have

658
00:49:00.760 --> 00:49:04.239
two products. One is called m
Wave your other one's called Inner Balance,

659
00:49:05.039 --> 00:49:07.880
and it was largely piloted, as
most of the stuff is, it's piloted

660
00:49:08.159 --> 00:49:13.920
to help usually at first with people
who have learning disabilities, so like this

661
00:49:13.960 --> 00:49:16.519
was supposed to help students with like
who have test anxiety. So we're supposed

662
00:49:16.519 --> 00:49:20.360
to put the heart rate monitor on
before you, you know, before you

663
00:49:20.360 --> 00:49:22.960
get really worked up on the test. And they have like meditations like breathing

664
00:49:23.000 --> 00:49:25.519
exercises that, by the way,
are trademarked, so I guess you're not

665
00:49:25.559 --> 00:49:31.039
allowed to use them outside of the
premises or the purview of the product.

666
00:49:31.280 --> 00:49:37.159
They even owned and control how you
breathe, right, Yeah, And it's

667
00:49:37.199 --> 00:49:40.199
funny because it's just like it's like
it comes out of this new age company.

668
00:49:40.679 --> 00:49:44.960
They have a for profit branch in
a nonprofit branch, and they have

669
00:49:45.000 --> 00:49:47.400
this multi level marketing sort of system
where you know, basically you can be

670
00:49:47.440 --> 00:49:52.400
a heart map coach, right,
you can train people to use this trademarked

671
00:49:52.079 --> 00:49:54.400
breathing technique. But you know what
I mean, they're they're all into this,

672
00:49:54.480 --> 00:49:59.400
you know, communitarian, collectivist,
you know whatnot. But but yet

673
00:49:59.400 --> 00:50:04.280
they trade a completing technique, right, technological device that it's going to data

674
00:50:04.320 --> 00:50:07.519
mind you. But so the students
use that to like kind of get calmed

675
00:50:07.679 --> 00:50:13.480
down before they before they take the
test. And just recently, I maybe

676
00:50:13.480 --> 00:50:15.320
a month or two ago, I
got an email from one of the colleges

677
00:50:15.320 --> 00:50:19.239
where I teach, one of the
community colleges where I teach, I'm gonna

678
00:50:19.239 --> 00:50:22.519
ad jump. So I bounced around
at different community colleges. Um, they're

679
00:50:22.599 --> 00:50:27.880
using it at one of those schools
now so um, so it's and I

680
00:50:27.920 --> 00:50:31.039
think it was it was in partnership
with the health and Wellness Center or something

681
00:50:31.079 --> 00:50:34.800
like that. So it's not like
in the classroom. But you know,

682
00:50:34.800 --> 00:50:37.920
if you're having some stress, you
know about studying or something. I guess

683
00:50:37.960 --> 00:50:40.880
you can go to the health and
wellness center and they'll look you up to

684
00:50:40.920 --> 00:50:45.519
one of these things and you know, you'll do some meditation or whatever and

685
00:50:45.840 --> 00:50:50.480
you'll you'll it'll give you one point. I can't think of anything more stressful

686
00:50:50.519 --> 00:50:52.920
than even from an early age,
like you're talking about the kids in China,

687
00:50:53.559 --> 00:50:57.679
knowing that you know if you're it's
going to know if you're paying attention

688
00:50:57.760 --> 00:51:00.760
or not, and how good you're
paying attention and watching everything that you're doing,

689
00:51:01.079 --> 00:51:05.360
feeding it into essentially your permanent record, and this is going to set

690
00:51:05.360 --> 00:51:07.280
you on a trajectory for what you'll
be allowed to do in your life.

691
00:51:07.360 --> 00:51:15.519
We're seeing this happening, John,
with the Amazon drivers who have every bit

692
00:51:15.559 --> 00:51:21.760
of movement that they're doing is being
watched and analyzed and reported, and you

693
00:51:21.840 --> 00:51:23.840
know that kind of pressure that's being
put on people, and this is the

694
00:51:23.960 --> 00:51:28.800
kind of you know, as you're
talking about these different aspects and about the

695
00:51:28.840 --> 00:51:32.320
eugenics aspects of this and everything makes
me think of all the worst aspects of

696
00:51:32.320 --> 00:51:36.719
all these dystopian films like not just
um, you know, Brave New World,

697
00:51:36.760 --> 00:51:39.000
but also things like Gattaca, you
know, where they're gonna, you

698
00:51:39.039 --> 00:51:43.119
know, put you on one track
or the other based on their assessment of

699
00:51:43.159 --> 00:51:46.320
your genetics and your capability. It's
such a horrific thing. And yet,

700
00:51:46.559 --> 00:51:50.000
you know, when you look it
seems to me that's kind of where the

701
00:51:50.199 --> 00:51:53.800
competency part mels with the the wokeness
part. You know, where they're going

702
00:51:53.880 --> 00:51:59.599
to categorize you and put you in
a in a box based not on your

703
00:51:59.639 --> 00:52:02.639
skin color or your chosen gender or
this or that, but also now based

704
00:52:02.679 --> 00:52:07.960
on how they have identified you with
your genetics. You're not going to have

705
00:52:07.000 --> 00:52:12.480
a chance to try to change at
some point in your life, or have

706
00:52:12.519 --> 00:52:15.280
a chance to to really buckle down
and work on your merit, and you're

707
00:52:15.280 --> 00:52:19.079
going to be pigeonholed by these people
and they're going to control you for the

708
00:52:19.079 --> 00:52:22.119
rest of your life. What a
horrific model these people have. What do

709
00:52:22.199 --> 00:52:25.119
we do to try to pull back
against this? Of course, a big

710
00:52:25.159 --> 00:52:30.320
part of it is your book School
World Order pulling as people get here,

711
00:52:30.199 --> 00:52:36.119
You've got a tremendous breadth and depth
of understanding about the relationships and the history

712
00:52:36.119 --> 00:52:38.920
of this stuff, and so that's
what's really good about this book. But

713
00:52:39.000 --> 00:52:45.320
other than educating ourselves about where these
people want to go and the tactics that

714
00:52:45.320 --> 00:52:49.119
they're going to use. What would
you say the best way to defend against

715
00:52:49.199 --> 00:52:52.000
this is so when I wrote it, you know, I'm a public educator,

716
00:52:52.039 --> 00:52:54.639
I came out of public education,
and when I wrote it, you

717
00:52:54.639 --> 00:53:00.159
know, this was it was kind
of prescient because it was published in over

718
00:53:00.280 --> 00:53:04.119
twenty nineteen. It was only a
few months until lockdowns came, and then

719
00:53:04.280 --> 00:53:07.280
basically everything that I thought I had
about ten years to warn people about was

720
00:53:07.360 --> 00:53:10.000
basically thrust down our froth, right. I mean, we were just all

721
00:53:10.400 --> 00:53:15.519
plugged into the computers twenty four hours
a day. Right at the time,

722
00:53:15.679 --> 00:53:17.360
you know, I was hoping that
there might might be some way to try

723
00:53:17.360 --> 00:53:22.760
to reform public education. So I
had like a five point program in there.

724
00:53:22.239 --> 00:53:27.239
The first one was to local control
public control, right means locally elected

725
00:53:27.239 --> 00:53:30.400
school boards, no public private partnerships. The other one was to ban the

726
00:53:30.280 --> 00:53:36.400
behavioral educational psychology as a methodology for
teaching. That doesn't just mean with technology

727
00:53:36.400 --> 00:53:38.320
and data mining. It means,
you know, the whole reward and punishment

728
00:53:38.400 --> 00:53:43.400
system with gold stars and detentions and
all that type of stuff. To the

729
00:53:43.440 --> 00:53:46.440
extent that we use technology. This
is the third premise. There should be

730
00:53:46.440 --> 00:53:52.400
no data mining involved, certainly no
biometric psychometric data mining. And then the

731
00:53:52.480 --> 00:53:55.119
last two had to do with a
return to the classical method, which is

732
00:53:55.159 --> 00:54:00.519
grammar, logic rhetoric grounded in civics
and history rather than social studies and critical

733
00:54:00.559 --> 00:54:05.480
theory, with an emphasis on history
of philosophy, um, and but then

734
00:54:05.559 --> 00:54:07.800
grounded in metaphysics. Right. And
you know, it's it's one of the

735
00:54:07.840 --> 00:54:12.760
denser chapters because you know, I'm
not quite saying, you know, God,

736
00:54:12.840 --> 00:54:15.280
but I am right? Because right, truth is objective and morality is

737
00:54:15.320 --> 00:54:19.920
objective. That means it's metaphysical.
Right, It means it comes from right,

738
00:54:19.920 --> 00:54:23.800
beyond our social conditions. Right,
it comes from the universe, God,

739
00:54:24.000 --> 00:54:27.559
nature, however you want to call
it. Right. And so I

740
00:54:27.559 --> 00:54:30.400
thought that, you know, if
we could at least have a discussion of

741
00:54:30.480 --> 00:54:32.960
metaphysics in a in an educational setting, which is totally gone right, all

742
00:54:34.360 --> 00:54:37.920
philosophy, all postmodern philosophy, there
is no discussion of metaphysics or ontology.

743
00:54:38.159 --> 00:54:43.159
And that that's what gets us to
this relativistic state where we can transmute the

744
00:54:43.239 --> 00:54:47.480
human person through merging with technology or
changing the categories of identity with all this

745
00:54:47.559 --> 00:54:52.519
woke stuff, right. But you
know, in the wake of the lockdowns

746
00:54:52.519 --> 00:54:55.639
and the mandates, I've been promoting, you know, homeschooling one hundred percent,

747
00:54:55.920 --> 00:55:00.960
homeschooling, pods, coops, finding
people in your bhood, all these

748
00:55:00.960 --> 00:55:05.519
other all these other premises still apply. It's just that rather than rather than

749
00:55:05.559 --> 00:55:07.920
trying to reform from the inside,
I say, we have to build uh,

750
00:55:08.199 --> 00:55:14.920
an organic, a truly community based
homeschooling system. And you know,

751
00:55:15.679 --> 00:55:17.960
to do so, uh, you
know, you'll you'll need to, you

752
00:55:17.960 --> 00:55:22.400
know, hopefully find some people around
you that are good at that. But

753
00:55:22.440 --> 00:55:24.480
you know what I'm trying to do, like I'm trying to put some courses

754
00:55:24.519 --> 00:55:30.880
together through Autonomy University that's Richard Groves
Organization, and so sort of a basket

755
00:55:30.920 --> 00:55:38.159
of these these different off you know, non accredited, non institutional approaches um

756
00:55:38.840 --> 00:55:42.679
as as sort of a as sort
of a broader basket. That's that would

757
00:55:42.719 --> 00:55:45.920
be the back. I couldn't agree
with you more. You're absolutely right.

758
00:55:46.039 --> 00:55:50.880
It's moved too quickly, and it's
gone too far, and it's too pervasive

759
00:55:51.280 --> 00:55:55.079
in terms of governments and corporations and
all the political parties are in on this

760
00:55:55.159 --> 00:56:00.960
thing. The institutions have totally been
taken over, and I really do think

761
00:56:00.960 --> 00:56:02.760
we have to do this on a
parallel manner. And you're absolutely right,

762
00:56:02.760 --> 00:56:06.000
you know, one of the best
ways that people can look at it if

763
00:56:06.159 --> 00:56:12.320
it's a very rigorous way to go, but a classical education is really ideal.

764
00:56:12.679 --> 00:56:15.440
And to get people to think about
things as you're pointing out, you

765
00:56:15.480 --> 00:56:20.280
know, when you know, picking
out the metaphysical and going really with this

766
00:56:20.440 --> 00:56:24.920
skin esque thing, focusing just on
us as um you know, our animal

767
00:56:25.000 --> 00:56:29.320
nature essentially, which is what they're
trying to do to control us. We

768
00:56:29.440 --> 00:56:31.920
have to pull back from that and
look at the bigger picture and that really

769
00:56:31.920 --> 00:56:38.320
truly is the anecdote and that has
to be a part of our education,

770
00:56:38.639 --> 00:56:42.920
critical thinking and all the rest of
the stuff. But laying that foundation that

771
00:56:43.079 --> 00:56:47.639
is there, getting kids to think
about the bigger picture instead of just the

772
00:56:47.679 --> 00:56:52.599
immediacy of what they're going to do. I think that is one of the

773
00:56:52.599 --> 00:56:55.639
most important ways that they have purged
God out of the schools. You know,

774
00:56:55.639 --> 00:56:59.960
they focus on these things. Well, we can't have a silent prayer

775
00:57:00.079 --> 00:57:02.840
even in schools anymore. That's that's
just the tip of the Iceberg. That

776
00:57:04.000 --> 00:57:07.239
is just a little superficial thing that
really didn't matter. What is really mattering

777
00:57:07.360 --> 00:57:10.760
is what you talked about the fact
you can't even have these discussions and you

778
00:57:10.800 --> 00:57:14.480
will never really have these discussions.
One of the things R. L.

779
00:57:14.559 --> 00:57:17.480
Dabney was saying is if you're going
to pull this in into the government,

780
00:57:17.519 --> 00:57:24.360
whose version of a reality, of
metaphysical reality, of religion of spirituality,

781
00:57:24.360 --> 00:57:28.639
whose version is going to be taught. That's why I agree with you.

782
00:57:28.719 --> 00:57:31.000
It's got to be done in kind
of a parallel way. It's got to

783
00:57:31.079 --> 00:57:35.280
be parents who are in control.
And there's a lot of people who are

784
00:57:35.280 --> 00:57:37.519
looking for this now, and I
think that's that's the key thing. So

785
00:57:37.559 --> 00:57:42.920
you're putting together a curriculum as well. Yeah, So, I mean I've

786
00:57:43.119 --> 00:57:45.719
I've tried to do some of it
on my own. I have like a

787
00:57:45.760 --> 00:57:49.320
really short video on introduction to the
Trivium on my YouTube and my bit shoot.

788
00:57:49.880 --> 00:57:52.079
One of the things that Richard Grove
is going to help me out with

789
00:57:52.360 --> 00:57:54.599
is is you know the time it
takes to edit and everything like that.

790
00:57:54.679 --> 00:57:58.199
So the first thing I'm going to
do is just do a crash course in

791
00:57:58.239 --> 00:58:00.800
the book. But eventually I want
to do with he's on rhetoric. I

792
00:58:00.880 --> 00:58:06.440
think he has some series on philosophy
and on basic trivium stuff with some other

793
00:58:06.519 --> 00:58:10.440
creators. And the thing I think
that's important about developing these types of courses

794
00:58:12.239 --> 00:58:15.599
is that another issue that's not that
I didn't touch on the book, but

795
00:58:15.760 --> 00:58:19.519
is always sort of I think I've
always kind of known it intuitively, but

796
00:58:20.239 --> 00:58:22.920
helped bring it to the forefront of
my consciousness was a friend of mine who's

797
00:58:23.000 --> 00:58:28.440
part of the Undercover Mothers, and
she has told me that the private schools

798
00:58:28.480 --> 00:58:30.159
are just as bad with a lot
of this wolk stuff, and of course

799
00:58:30.199 --> 00:58:36.000
they want the vouchers, which would
just you know, would basically federalize them.

800
00:58:36.079 --> 00:58:39.360
And so, but the reason why
the private schools do that is because

801
00:58:39.360 --> 00:58:45.199
of the national crediting agencies like the
National Association of Independent Schools. So,

802
00:58:45.239 --> 00:58:49.800
in other words, one of the
concerns that you know, adults or parents

803
00:58:49.800 --> 00:58:52.159
have when they bring your kids to
a school or when they're thinking about making

804
00:58:52.159 --> 00:58:57.679
the decision to move to homeschooling is
like, how is my child going to

805
00:58:57.719 --> 00:59:00.320
get a good job or be able
to go to a good column, or

806
00:59:00.400 --> 00:59:04.920
right are they going to be afforded
the opportunities that they would be afforded from

807
00:59:04.960 --> 00:59:07.440
an accredited school. Right. And
so at the end of the day,

808
00:59:07.599 --> 00:59:12.559
education is really it's not teaching you, right, it's not teaching you how

809
00:59:12.559 --> 00:59:15.440
to think, it's teaching you what
to think. But more importantly it's teaching

810
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you. It's it's accrediting you,
right for your giving you those competency certificates

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that you can fit into the planned
economy. So we have to actually also

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break away from the accreditation system through
this process of homeschooling and independent coursework.

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And one more thing I want to
add is that this doesn't mean so when

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you take your kids out of the
public school and your homeschool, you can

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still go to that public school board
meeting and you can still right, be

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very careful and polite because you're you
know, because they want to label you

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a terrorist, which they've done to
many people. But you're still paying taxes.

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So just because your child isn't in
that school doesn't mean you still have

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every right to go in there and
politely with rhetorical savvy right, explain you

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know what reforms you would like.
You can you can continue to run for

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school board, so you know agree, So these two tracks. I think,

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I think we need to work them
both at the same time, Right,

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both of our dollars get out and
still put pressure on them through the

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civic sphere. Yeah, Alex Newman
has has put it. He says,

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so your kids are in a burning
building, first thing you get to do

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is get them out, and then
the second thing you do is work with

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other people in the community to put
out the fire so it doesn't burn down

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the entire community. That's exactly what
you're talking about. Get your kids out,

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take care of your kids. But
at the same time, you can

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still engage the school institutions because it's
going to have an effect on the entire

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community. You're absolutely right. Yeah. And the other part of it I

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just underscored as well, that whole
thing about accreditation. If they can hold

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that over you, you know,
like the Wizard of Oz at the end

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of the movie. You know you
want to get that medal saying that you've

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got a brain or courage or whatever. If they can hold that over you,

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they've got you. If they're going
to hold out this accreditation thing,

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that means that they're then going to
define the test and then the curriculum is

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going to then teach to that test
so that you can get those medals at

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the end. What the end product
that you want from your kid at the

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very end is the ability to think
and also to have a kid who doesn't

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graduate with honors, but a kid
who is honorable. And if you focus

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on that and the real stuff,
it'll everything will work out in the end.

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John, is great talking to you. It's an amazing book. I

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can't say enough good about this again. The book is Social World Order by

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John Klizak. Right, is that
the way I pronounced your ring correctly?

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The technocratic globalization of corporatized education.
Thank you so much. It's a fascinating

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interview, fascinating book. I highly
recommend it. We'll get you back on

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sometime. Thank you. That's nice
game. All right, that's up for

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the broadcast, folks. Thank you, have a great weekend. Thanks for

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listening. The common man they created
common cored and dumbed down our children.

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They created common past to track and
control us, their commons project to make

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sure the commoners own nothing, and
the communist future. They see the common

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man as simple, unsophisticated ordinary,
but each of us has worth and dignity.

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Created in the image of God,
that is what we have in common.

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That is what they want to take
away. Their most powerful weapons are

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isolation, deception, intimidation. They
desire to know everything about us, while

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they hide everything from us. It's
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they want to hide. Please share
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