Here on the fourth hour of the Alex Jones Show. It's always a pleasure,
always an honor. Today, I want to talk about a topic that
you've heard covered, but we don't often hear people with academic expertise covering this
topic. I mean, I think to a degree I have that, But
what about the issue of transhumanism as an academic discipline as a study. Today
I have one of my good buddies as the guest with me. His name
is David Patrick Harry. You can find him on Twitter under that as well
as on YouTube under Church of the Eternal Logos. And David, I want
to talk to you about transhumanism because this is a subject that you know very
well. I think you're studying this at the academic level. Before we get
into it, I'm going to let you give your take on it. What
I understand is kind of an agenda that we have been under for many decades.
We can go back to people like HG. Wells, who wrote a
book called The New World Order, the Open Conspiracy, Bertrand Russell, other
people in those circles. They said they wanted to go back to Plato,
utilize Plato's philosophy of techne and make it into a technocracy, a world government
ruled not by nation states, not by firewalls of the family and borders,
but rather a global federation of world citizens where nobody has identity other than what
the system gives you, ultimately by some sort of matrix, some sort of
thing to be plugged into. And as we progress up into the future beyond
the designs of people one hundred plus years ago, we see books like Between
Two Ages by Brazinski outlining this world government we see that's run by technocracy.
The book is called the Technotronic Era. We see people like Jakatali, the
Kissinger of France, writing books about transhumanists as the tip of the sphere of
the revolution. We find people like Klaus writing books like the Fourth Industrial Revolution,
where he talks about how we're going to be LinkedIn to Skynet. We
see his understudy You Noah, you of all Harari basically saying the same type
of stuff. What is transhumanism? Does it have a predecessor in the ancient
gnostic cults and mystery religions? And is it kind of ultimately something gnostic?
Yeah, thanks for having me, Jay, I really appreciate the opportunity and
this is a topic that I've been really concerned with and is the primary focus
of my academic research. And as you highlighted, you know, we have
a lot of conversation, and you do incredible work talking about many of the
globalist elite books and the technocracy and how transhumanism fits into that. But what
I think most people aren't aware of is that the sort of philosophical presuppositions that
give an undergird transhumanist philosophy in the contemporary period actually have pretty old roots.
And I would argue that you can look back to early philosophers like Scotis Origina.
He was an Irish Neoplatonic Christian deemed heretic by the Church, but he
was considered one of the leading philosophers of the Carolyn Gian era, and in
the eight hundreds he talked about this new concept of the useful arts as redeeming
the abilities that were lost to Adam due to the fall. And so what's
interesting, and a handful of scholars have made this argument and I actually agree
with it, that transhumanism and transhumanist philosophy actually emerges out of heretical belief systems
within Christianity, specifically Western Christianity, and that from the Scholastic period forward,
this idea that technology and technological or mechanical means are going to divinize man and
regain total universal knowledge over nature, which they believed Adam had before the fall,
is therefore us moving back to the New Jerusalem. And this is generally
characterized as a millenarian perspective as posed to a more traditional Christian perspective would be
more of an apocalyptic and that would ebb and flow. There'd be good and
bad periods throughout history, but ultimately the eschonological vision of traditional Christianity is that
things are going to get worse in one sense or another. Where many of
these heretical views that we can see moved through the Scholastic period through people like
Yakima Fiore, and I'll speak a little bit more about that in just a
few about why he is so influential, Roger Bacon moving into people like Paracelsus,
the alchemist Henry Cornelis Agrippa, moving into somebody like Francis Bacon, who
also wrote a book called The New Atlantis. And after the Reformation period there
is this energy that was really characterizing Protestant Northern European ideas that was sort of
blending hermetic ideas, esoteric Western esoteric ideals with Protestant Christianity and undergirded by this
belief in and technological progress which ultimately is going to lead towards the transcendence of
man and go to the New Jerusalem. And so much of the sixteenth century
in the seventeenth century was characterized by this enlightenment utopian thinking that we were going
to redeem ourselves through technology. And I would argue, and even Nick Bolstrom,
we'll talk a little bit about he's one of the leading current philosophers of
transhumanism. He has an article on the history of transhumanism, and he even
highlights that many of the aspirations of transhumanism actually comes out of Western esoteric alchemy.
But I think we could make a strong argument that it even emerges before
that. Yeah, I like the Tian there was going to bring up her
meticism. You know, there's a famous book by Dame Francis Yates on the
Rosicrucian Enlightenment, and she highlights the beginning of that book the philosophy of say
John Dee right the first Double O seven. John de was very interested in
the notion of man achieving apotheosis through ritual magic, and a lot of the
esotery stuff that you're talking talking about that we think about today comes out of
this tradition of hermeticism, and even scientism itself actually has a lot of its
origin in the hermetic tradition of the fifteen hundred and sixteen hundred and seventeen hundreds.
Many of the famous scientists were involved in these esoteric lodges where they can
conduct alchemy. Newton was a famous alchemist. Most people don't know this,
and it ties in as well with the rise of Marxism and socialism because a
lot of the groups that you're talking about, Yoakama fior and his radical Franciscan
philosophy, it was a very imminentizing of the escaton, and that's just a
fancy word for saying, we can bring the Kingdom of God into time and
space through human works, create a kind of human kingdom of God. And
later groups picked up on this idea. Thomas Munzer and the Munster Rebellion was
an earlier the next phase of a kind of socialism, and as we get
up into the period of Marx, Marx himself has a very technocratic bent in
his right. He thinks that technology could be the key to the creation of
what would quote liberate man and bring about the utopian state. We see this
in other philosophers after Marx who also speak this way, and then we get
into the technocrats and they share this idea. But like you said, it
goes back to the ancient world of the idea of creating an ideal world,
an ideal government. But it also wants to transform man. And I think
when we mentioned gnosticism, why do you think they want to transform man?
Is it something like out of the Garden of Eden, like the promise of
that, you know, you can be like God, you can be your
own God, And it all sounds like that. Yeah. I would argue,
again, coming at it as an orthodox Christian, that it really is
this sort of misinterpretation of Scripture being at Genesis three. But really, many
of the thinkers throughout history that I would highlight regarding this trajectory of transhumanist undergirded
presuppositions all believe in this linear progress that technology and rational apprehension of nature is
what's going to transcend man and the traditional Christian understanding is the way that we
unite with God is through a moral behavior, a moral living of our lives
that reflects the teachings of Jesus Christ. And it's through that embodiment of the
teachings of Christ and the uncreated energies as an orthodox Christian, that we become
synergized by God. But this worldview is specifically about you could argue it has
gnostic elements because of this emphasis on the rational apprehension of knowledge, which when
we move into the twenty first century with somebody like you. Val Noah Harari
and his philosophy of dataism, which I would argue is a central core to
transhumanist philosophy. He actually argues in favor of philosophy dataism, where the only
thing that truly exists in the world is information, and therefore the only thing
that's important is the ability to process and cipher information. And he makes the
claim towards the end of that book Homodeus, that we are just algorithms,
and everything that's living is an algorithm, and therefore there is no real ontological
distinction between a digital or computerly generated algorithm in us as biological entities, and
the only thing that's important then is how much can we process? And therefore,
if you are upgraded with hardware in your brain or essentially totally transcend human
nature through transhumanism, that you are going to be at an ontologically a higher
state than you could ever be as a human entity. And that really is
gnostic in the sense that one it's a transcendent of nature for them, it's
part of their post evolutionary philosophy. But it's that focus on rational apprehension,
I think is something that can't be underappreciated, that it really stems out of
spiritual ideas. And when we look at the twentieth century with somebody like Arthur
C. Clark and his famous quote that any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from
magic. You know, my research is really focused in the the realm of
new religious movements in Western esoteric traditions, and I would argue that transhumanism is
a new religious movement. It sort of challenges the categories of what religion is,
but it's built on many presuppositions. Despite transhumanists now would say, oh,
we're atheists, we're rationalists, we don't have any sort of spiritual worldview.
But in fact I would say that they do, and these are ancient
roots. And Yakima Fioria, as you mentioned, was an abbot who believed
that there was these sort of three different ages that reflected the Trinity. There
was the Age of the Father, which was the Old Testament, the Age
of the Son, which was the incarnation of Christ. And then he believed,
as most people do, that in his life, then they entered into
the Age of the Holy Spirit. So he just happened to be at the
precipice, and that this Age of the Holy Spirit then was all about the
regeneration of man back to the Adenic state, and that technology and knowledge are
the ways in which that curs. And when we look at somebody like Roger
Bacon, who was also an English Franciscan friar, we see the exact same
thing. And there's many legends regarding Roger Bacon. He was obviously considered an
alchemist, but there's a big legend about his mechanical or necromantic brazen head that
he was able to conjure and that he could then ask the questions to this
mechanical or necromantic head and it would give him all sites of responses. It
was a sort of an all knowing entity, and it's like, well,
that's in the thirteen hundreds and we can already see a sort of precursor in
what many people believe that AGI is going to be. Yeah, the idea
of a mimicked logic machine that mimics the human brain. This is the origins
of modern computing. If you look at Leibnuzleivenuz in some of his writings,
you know, the co founder of Calculus at the same time as Newton.
He has essays talks about the possibility of building on the basis of his kind
of neoplatonic philosophy, a machine that mimics the logic of the human mind,
and it kind of sets the stage for the rise of the computer. I
think the medieval Gollum mythology also plays into that. There is an overlap two
with medieval cabbala and her meticism and scientism that emerges out of that as well.
So there's a lot of strains that go together absolutely. And one thing
you talk about a lot in your videos, and you have a channel Churcy
Eternal Logos over on YouTube. You talk a lot about boundaries and that men
and the masculine spirit is very interested in erecting and protecting boundaries. That's part
of what it is to be a man, and appreciate that because this is
overlooked today. I just did a stream kind of piggybacking your masculinity stream.
And this relates to the transhumanist stuff, because transhumanism is really about going beyond
all boundaries, and it ties into the trans agenda in terms of biology,
because the idea that when you're mentioning these esotericis when we look at something like
the image of Baphomet, we notice that it has both genders, and in
some of the occult circles and traditions, there's this idea that to have both
of the genders or to be non binary, to go beyond that is to
return to this original primal monadic state, which is not in any kind of
division or differentiation. So, for example, to go from the original source
primal monad state to male and female is somehow a fall into a lesser state
of being. And they have an assumption, and you can actually read some
of the esotericists and the occultists and the Crollians, they'll speak this. Well,
they'll say, we need to get back to some kind of non gendered
supra state beyond man and woman or being both. That statue that they unveiled
in one of the Nordic countries where it was a man with genitalia having breast
a baby. That is a form of the baphomet imagery here. How does
that relate to the transhumanist movement though? And this idea of transcending boundaries,
well, yeah, you highlight that transcendence of boundaries or the dissolution of boundaries.
Terrence mckennaon was famous for arguing that that's exactly what psychedelics do. And
I would argue that much of when we look at the agenda of the elites,
the dissolution of national boundaries, the dissolution of boundaries between man and machine,
the dissolution of boundaries between man and animal, the dissolution of boundaries between
male and female, that these are actually attacks on the psyche. These are
attacks on the reality of God's creation. These are attacks on our ability to
logically and rationally apprehend and process reality. And if you can't see what's in
front of you and understand it, well, then you're going to be very
malleable by powers that be to reinterpret the phenomenon that is occurring in front of
your face. And I think that's something that we're seeing right now. Yeah,
human nature is believed to be plastic us a thing as nature's there's the
plasticity of man. And this goes back to H. G. Wells's Island
of Doctor Moreau. He was actually a way ahead of the curve in this,
in this idea because his idea was that you can sort of turn man
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Welcome back to the fourth hour of the Auctions, Johnstown, your guests,
Jayder of Jason Ellis is I wan to remind you that we have a
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Be sure and get your tickets now, there's a limited seating. So
we're talking about this dissolution of boundaries. We're talking about weird contradictions in the
worldview of transhumanism. And before the Breakthore I was trying to get into the
point of this element of on the one hand, we want no boundaries.
However, all of reality in this quantification perspective is seen to be somehow information.
Well, to have information requires setting some kind of boundaries. We have
this piece of information, which is the sink from this piece of information.
So having in knowing information requires boundaries you have. At the same time,
we're told that there are no boundaries and man must sort of step beyond all
boundaries and somehow achieve his own divinity. And it's always based on weird fallacies,
weird illogical contradictions. Klaus and Harari, for example, say that there's
no such thing as consciousness, there's no such thing as the mind. However,
we're going to upload the mind to the cloud. How are you gonna
upload something that doesn't exist? It makes no sense. Man is going to
be god, of course, but man is meaningless muck from the pond skam
of the ancient, primordial world of the soup. So it's always a contradictory
story and narrative. Yet they're selling us on this myth that technology will somehow
make us into gods or Marvel Universe. Soy men, superheroes, right,
what's the root of this in terms of what they really want? So we've
talked about the ancient history, but what's the real goal of the transhumanists in
your view? Well, it depends on who you are in regards to some
of these contemporary philosophers. You know, if you look at one who is
a co founder of Humanity Plus, which is sort of the rebranding of the
Transhumanist Association, the World Transhumanist Association that was rebranded in the early two thousands
as Humanity Plus by philosopher Nick Bolstrom, and David Perce And David Purse describes
himself as a negative utilitarian, and that philosophical worldview is interested in the elimination,
or at least the limiting, to the most significant extent, suffering.
And so he is a vegan who promotes a hedonistic transhumanism which is about the
engineering. This is a direct quote of paradise engineering. So he believes that
this hedonistic transhumanism, what they're going to do through the technologies is engineer paradise.
And in so doing he goes so far is that he wants to redesign
the total global ecosystem. I kid you not. And in his own writings,
he would want to re design predatory species so that they would no longer
eat other animals and therefore eliminate suffering. And the one of the ways in
which he postulates we might be able to do that is through a brain implant.
And so what would happen is when you experience suffering, this would be
sort of transmutated into a sense of pleasure, but it would be it would
be the way he describes it is, it would inform you that you would
be suffering. It'd be a different type of stimulation but therefore when you experience
suffering, you wouldn't actually feel it. Well. From a Christian worldview,
that is demonic. And we've talked about sort of providing everybody with their hedonistic
desires and living in you know, podlike entities with their ubi, all their
you know, kibble, and their their bugs ready there to eat for them.
And he's very much in favor of a utopian worldview like this where you
talk with other major transhumanist thinkers. You know. Max More is really kind
of can considered one of the premier philosophers and founders of contemporary transhumanism, and
he owns the Alcore Life Extension Foundation in Scottsdale, Arizona, which is focused
on cryogenics, and so they are currently freezing human bodies right before death.
So this is a sort of assisted mediated death where they will you'll go there
before you die. And he's actually recently on the THEO Vaughn podcast talking about
what they do at Alcore and you have to obviously sign waivers, it's very
expensive, and then they'll place your body in a form of liquid nitrogen or
you can just put your brain in there, so you have kind of two
options and it's been speculating. I don't know for sure, so somebody will
have to fact check me. But Bill Gates and some of the elites have
been very interested in cryogenics, and his wife Natasha Vitamore actually participated in an
experiment at the University of Seville in Spain where they were to prove that there
was no memory loss in multicellular organisms when they were cryonically frozen. So what
they did is they froze neurons and tissues from a multicellular organism and then we're
able to unfreeze it. Although it's a little bit more technical because obviously if
it was just frozen in the way that we think something in the freezer,
it would the water would be a major problem for the tissues and all this
different stuff. So there's a different process for it, and they're very emphatic
to explain this when everybody brings it up. But what they did prove is
that the memory of something before could be maintained after it was sort of resuscitated.
And so the whole point of Alcore Life Extension Foundation is for what they
deem and what they even describe explicitly as a form of resurrection, and that
people who pay for these services that eventually, at some point in the future,
whether we're able to, in their opinion, upload our brains or our
minds to a computter or be able to totally technologically augment the human entity,
that they'll be able to revive somebody right on the brink of death before they're
frozen, and they would be able to sort of transfer them to a new
body. And this is something that they believe they're making headway in, and
this is something that a lot of money is being pushed for. And when
you look at their founders, it's many of the same global movers and shakers
that you would suspect funding a lot of this research. Yeah, it's just
weird to me. The way the thought process of a lot of these people
is that, you know, they give the appearance of being very logical and
very rational and sort of almost worshiping mathematics, like some sort of weird Pythagorean
cult or something. And yet at the same time, if I were to
say, you know, I brought the number seven with me, would you
like to talk to him? Would you like to talk to the number seven?
People would think you're insane. They think you have a mental problem.
You can't talk to the number seven. And yet when we think about what
a computer is or what a is, it's really nothing more than a bunch
of nerd code. There's there's no consciousness there. And yet they'll treat well.
If we just put more nerd code in there, eventually it'll like become
it's like a magical thinking, if you like, more algorithms somehow equate to
consciousness. And I was I recently did a lecture on Lewis Carroll's Through the
Looking Glass, which is a sequel to Alice in Wonderland, and we went
really deep into the philosophy of that book. He was a mathematician, and
in certain ways I think some of his thought uh sort of sort of presages
where we are now, because he was a pretty strict determinist and he put
his mathematical determinism into the the Alice stories. And when you get into the
the later chapters of the copy that I have, there's a there's a reprinting
of what the tortoise said to Achilles. And this is a famous logic problem
in the history of of of logic. But it all it overlaps with mathematics
as well, because it sort of makes the point that, following upon Zeno's
paradox, that you kind of can't encapsulate some things in sets, or in
math or in logic. And it overlaps with Girdel's in completeness theorems where the
sets appeal outside of themselves. And the reason I bring all that up there's
a famous paper that was written some decades back. I think it's at Oxford.
It's called Mind Machines and Girdell, and it's making the point that some
of these mathematical principles and philosophical logical principles that we're talking about that you see
in some of Lewis Carroll's writings, it kind of demonstrates the impossibility of numbers
or sets ever becoming self aware or self conscious. It's not possible. It
makes no sense. Yet, so much of what we're talking about with AI
and transhumanism is premise on the idea that it can just become conscious. So
how do you see an overlap maybe with evolutionary philosophy and transhumanism the idea that
we're evolving, maybe even humans and robots or robots are going to become conscious
and the we're gonna meld with them like how in two thousand and one or
something, right, I think most people in regards to that question are gonna
be familiar with like Vernervinge and Ray Kurzwell's theory of the singularity, which is
built on this idea that there's going to be this ex dimensional growth of technology
based on Moore's law, and that we're going to reach this sort of apex
and it really is a sort of eschaological vision of transhumanism. And this is
one of the reasons why I think it really gels well with many of these
medieval Renaissance Enlightenment ideas of utopia, because transhumanism does fit into that quite well.
And when we you know, and I think it needs to be said
that transhumanism and that term and the way we understand it was actually first said
by Julian Huxley, and he wrote a book in nineteen fifty seven called New
Bottles for New Wine, describing what he articulated as the religion without revelation.
And that's what transhumanism essentially is, is that we don't longer need to deal
with revelation because revelation is occurring through our rational apprehension of the world. But
you mentioned earlier again, this sort of dissolution of boundaries in this emphasis on
unity is very much a neoplatonic presupposition and it's characterized throughout transhumanism because they are
focused on this unifying principle. So Ray Kurzwel, for example, in his
books I Believe It's the Age of Spiritual Machines literally believes and he promotes this
idea that we will all be interconnected and there will be essentially a global hive
mind of humanity. And again that's another dissolution of boundaries. And this is
why transhumanism so much in favor of androgyny, and they use the rhetoric.
Well, they're very very supportive of the LGBTQ enterprise because of what they deem
as bodily autonomy, and so if you can transition and you can change genders,
this one shows a sort of nominal reality that these universal characteristics don't really
exist and we can augment ourselves. But it also highlights this push towards it
doing away with traditional masculinity. As we said, is very much principally oriented
around boundaries and the maintaining of boundaries, whether it be men that went to
war, to defend national boundaries or religious principles, or the tribe itself or
their wives and children. These were all boundaries to some extent in which men
defend, and that's also done through ideology, that's done through religion and culture,
and what we're seeing right now through multiculturalism and globalism. All these things
are sort of dissolutions of boundaries to some degree or another. And post evolutionary
theory is essential to transhumanism. So I have a handful of philosophical presuppositions that
really characterize transhumanism. The first one I would say is post secularism, and
so actually the Frankfurt School Jurgen Habermos. I'm not a big fan of the
Frankfurt School, but Jurgen Habermas had really a great criticism of what he saw
as genetic engineering and the development of crisper technologies and stuff like this, and
he highlighted how this was part of the decadence of liberal democracies in the West.
But he described transhumanism in this enterprise as a post secular phenomenon. So
what post secularism means is that secularism, as most people probably understand, is
this distinction between the religious ultimate meaning, and then the sort of secular enterprise
and the sort of public sphere and stuff. Well, because of whether it
be postmodernism, posthumanism, or post secularism, all these things are a collapsing
of boundaries again, and so post secularism is the collapsing of the boundary between
the religious and the secular. And Habermas highlighted that what transhumanism is is because
of the postmodern turn, it really is a form of post secular meaning making,
which ultimately is a religious narrative, and he argued that it really is
a secular faith, and multiple other academics have made this argument regarding transhumanism as
a post secular faith. Now, posthumanism is also essential, and there's kind
of a couple competing schools within posthumanism. There's more of the ecological bent that's
very radical and doing away with an anthropocentric view of the twenty first century.
And so the idea is to reorient our perception away from what benefits mankind generally
speaking, towards the earth or nature or the cosmos or something like this.
And so they are wanting to end the sort of enlightenment project of man being
the sort of measure of all things, and transhumanism though posthuman because they want
to sort of transcend the limits of biology. They do compete with these people
because many of these transhumanisms, like Max Moore and Natasha Vitamore, Nick Bolstrom,
they're very outspoken of how much they disdain postmodernism because they view themselves as
these sort of technological scientists, philosophers that are highly rational, that are actually
doing real things in the world with their research, compared to these postmoderns.
So transhumanism believes that it is the sort of epitome of the Enlightenment project.
They are the endpoint of the Enlightenment, and so they're very clear Max Moore
and Nick Bostrom that they are sort of the fulfillment of man is the measure
of all things, and that transhumanism then is the ability to transcend biological constraints,
and that leads into then if you transcend biological constraints, that leads into
one of the other pillars, which is post evolution. That they believe that
the the of course, they're very Darwinian Wallace theory evolutionarily oriented in their mindset,
but they believe that by transcending biology, they're going to transcend the selective
pressures of evolution itself, which is for them a sort of spiritual transcendence.
It's a release from the suffering and the constraints of the world. And that
all then, how is that accomplished? That comes to this fourth pillar of
data ism, about the processing and ciphering and understanding of information, which really
is I would argue a sort of a gnostic core to transhumanism, although they
would certainly not explain it that way, but I would argue that's exactly what
it is. Yeah, I was thinking to a lot of the essays that
I wrote some years back, and I remember writing about the overlaps between even
though there was some disagreement between Gnostics and Plotinus, the basic idea here is
that we're escaping this world, escaping this reality, to go back to the
source, the One, the monad, the unit he or whatever. So
what a lot of the transhumanist ideas have done in regard to things like the
metaverse and where they want to take us with this idea of the matrix is
to really put that into the here and the now in a technological sense.
So even though there's they may not believe in an afterlife or a higher transcendent
reality. The idea is we can put man into his own sort of virtual
god world of his own. It makes me think of that the cell with
the Jennifer Lopez where she goes into this the mind of the serial killer and
in that world he's sort of his own god and he wants to be worshiped
in that virtual world. I think that's the ultimate offer here for the breaking
down of all boundaries is well, what if you could be the god of
your own virtual mental world, wouldn't you want to live in that world and
not in this world? So they're really sort of offering this, you know,
divided fake simulacrum as a pseudo heaven. You could say almost would you
agree with that? And that's really where they're pushed why they're pushing a lot
of the the brain ships in virtual reality where they want to take things.
And you brought up Baphomet too, which again the most tracings of the historicity
of sort of veneration of Bahamet kind of goes back to the Knight's templars,
which when we look at Yakima Fiore, you know his mentor was Bernard of
Clairvau, who is by many considered the sort of spiritual father of the Templars,
and the Templars. I've done research looking into esoteric spirituality and the sort
of mystery schools, and they participated in very interesting homoerotic initiation ceremonies for the
Templars, and they were reviving of gnosticism generally speaking. So when you look
at this ultimate transcendence and a gaining and attaining many of these divine qualities like
omnipotence, omnipresence, omnipresence is one that Ray Kurzwell is very interested in regards
to the sort of digital interconnecting of all mankind that essentially then we become one
man or one entity around the world, and because of that then we have
attained the sort of divine ability of omnipresence. And then obviously, through the
AI and that becoming essentially your brain, you're going to have omnipotence. And
this is for them always the sort of smashing together of opposites. This is
the way in which they view this sort of neoplatonic presupposition of unity over multiplicity
that they worship unity, and I think from a spiritual perspective, it becomes
that they worship themselves, as you highlighted, so you're only one person,
and there's a I think it's subtle, but it's an important point to make
that because they worship themselves, they tend to worship pure unity or pure monad
And I think this could be characterized in regards to New Age religion various forms
of narcissism, neoplatonism, but transhumanism, I would say, is characterized by
the same thing. Yeah, speaking of the Huxleys, I mean Ala Suxley's
book Perennial Philosophy says that we need to concoct or sort of create the religion
of the future of the world technocratic order, and he says that what it
needs to be is some kind of ultimate big blob where everybody just worships collectivity
in some generic monatic sense, and the purpose is more of a geopolitical strategic
agenda of control than it is some sort of you know, well, we
really want to see people be enlightened. I mean, no, no,
no. If you go listen to the clip of Terrence McKenna on YouTube,
I think when I found this clip is really it really showed me everything about
Terrence McKenna's look up the Clipperies where it's it's the discussion of what the mushroom
said to me, and it's not what you think, because he says,
well, when I spoke to the mushroom, the mushroom told me that we
don't need less brown people in third world countries. It's the white soccer moms
that need to stop having babies because it's killing the planet. So he literally
says that we need to stop having white kids because that's what's killing the planet.
So there's a geopolitical strategic agenda behind this same thing. If you listen
to remember years ago listening to Manly P. Hall's lectures on esoterica and astrology,
and the last lecture of that whole series was him saying, oh,
by the way, the purpose of all this is that we need a socialist
world government led by the United Nations. So we're not getting esoteric mysteries.
We're getting a geopolitical agenda of a one world government and technocratic agenda. I
think the same thing is going along with the transhumanists who want to promote things
like collectivism, New Age, all this so that everybody can be merged into
the high mind right, absolutely. And you know, we kind of mentioned
some of these early players in regards to setting the foundation for transhumanist thought,
and I'd like to just mention one further connection I think is really interesting in
regards to how they understood mechanical technology as the extension of divinity. And so
we highlighted in the eight hundreds John Scotis a Regina. Then we talked about
Yakima Fiore and his dates are eleven thirty five to twelve oh two. Then
we get Roger Bacon into the thirteenth century. Then Henry Cornelius Agrimpa. This
is after the Italian Renaissance. This is after the translation of the Hermetic Corpus,
which was deemed by Cosmo de Medici more important than Plato at that time,
even though Latin in the West didn't have a full read of Plato.
And he has a quote that it was precisely this power over nature which Adam
had lost by original sin, by which the purified soul the magician could now
regain. And he highlighted this in the sixteenth century, and this was sort
of echoed by Paracelsus. Both of those individuals or followers of Yakima Fiore.
They're called Yakamite prophecies or Yakamites, who followed this idea that technology was going
to gain the capabilities of God and this was the point of mankind. Francis
Bacon then also echoes this. But the book that Francis Bacon has called The
New Atlantis one of the things that's really interesting. It's subtle, but it
has a lot of symbolism related to the Rosicrucians, who also had the same
idea in their esoteric spirituality that they were going to blend Protestant Christianity, hermetic,
magical, esoteric, cabitalistic ideas with science and technology itself to create utopia
because the millennium was at hand. Because they also believed in the prophecies of
Yakima Fiora's right, and so you see books like Thomas Moore, he has
a book called Utopia. Tomaso Campanella has one called The City of God,
which literally enshrined the worship of science and technology for the social and moral perfection
of man. And then you look into the seventeenth century with Johann andre He
who was a alchemist, esoteric thinker. He's he claims that he wrote the
Chemical Wedding of Christian Rosencrouz, the foundation friends. Yeah, and he wrote
a book that was again utopianistic, called Christianopolis, which literally and this what
I think is so interesting. He argues that mechanical technology was the way that
man's soul would unfold itself. So man's soul, in his image of God
his divinity, would unfold itself through technology, therefore making technology the sort of
ladder that's that we're going to climb out of the detritus that we're in.
And so we see then and you've mentioned this before about the Royal society,
but the Rosicrucians had the concept of the invisible College and this actually was the
precursor and many argue, many scholars have argued the foundation for the actual royal
society itself. That the rose Aicrucian manifestos and many of these manuscripts were saying
that there was this invisible college that was already under way, that these men
were working to manifest this thing, and then it connected to the royal society.
I think is really interesting. It is. Yeah, Hegel plays a
key role in that too, because Hegel's hermetic philosophy talks about everything sort of
gradually converging into pure spirit, which is the idea of transcending physicality and bodily
limitations. My books you can get those that Jays Analysis signed copies. If
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