1 00:00:00,080 --> 00:00:02,919 Here on the fourth hour of the Alex Jones Show. It's always a pleasure, 2 00:00:03,000 --> 00:00:06,599 always an honor. Today, I want to talk about a topic that 3 00:00:06,679 --> 00:00:12,359 you've heard covered, but we don't often hear people with academic expertise covering this 4 00:00:12,439 --> 00:00:15,199 topic. I mean, I think to a degree I have that, But 5 00:00:15,359 --> 00:00:21,120 what about the issue of transhumanism as an academic discipline as a study. Today 6 00:00:21,160 --> 00:00:25,120 I have one of my good buddies as the guest with me. His name 7 00:00:25,160 --> 00:00:29,000 is David Patrick Harry. You can find him on Twitter under that as well 8 00:00:29,039 --> 00:00:34,520 as on YouTube under Church of the Eternal Logos. And David, I want 9 00:00:34,560 --> 00:00:37,719 to talk to you about transhumanism because this is a subject that you know very 10 00:00:37,759 --> 00:00:41,640 well. I think you're studying this at the academic level. Before we get 11 00:00:41,679 --> 00:00:44,399 into it, I'm going to let you give your take on it. What 12 00:00:44,479 --> 00:00:50,880 I understand is kind of an agenda that we have been under for many decades. 13 00:00:50,920 --> 00:00:54,600 We can go back to people like HG. Wells, who wrote a 14 00:00:54,600 --> 00:00:58,600 book called The New World Order, the Open Conspiracy, Bertrand Russell, other 15 00:00:58,640 --> 00:01:02,000 people in those circles. They said they wanted to go back to Plato, 16 00:01:02,679 --> 00:01:08,840 utilize Plato's philosophy of techne and make it into a technocracy, a world government 17 00:01:10,359 --> 00:01:15,959 ruled not by nation states, not by firewalls of the family and borders, 18 00:01:15,959 --> 00:01:23,079 but rather a global federation of world citizens where nobody has identity other than what 19 00:01:23,159 --> 00:01:26,920 the system gives you, ultimately by some sort of matrix, some sort of 20 00:01:26,959 --> 00:01:32,359 thing to be plugged into. And as we progress up into the future beyond 21 00:01:32,400 --> 00:01:36,959 the designs of people one hundred plus years ago, we see books like Between 22 00:01:37,000 --> 00:01:44,079 Two Ages by Brazinski outlining this world government we see that's run by technocracy. 23 00:01:44,159 --> 00:01:48,000 The book is called the Technotronic Era. We see people like Jakatali, the 24 00:01:48,079 --> 00:01:53,000 Kissinger of France, writing books about transhumanists as the tip of the sphere of 25 00:01:53,040 --> 00:01:59,920 the revolution. We find people like Klaus writing books like the Fourth Industrial Revolution, 26 00:02:00,079 --> 00:02:02,959 where he talks about how we're going to be LinkedIn to Skynet. We 27 00:02:04,000 --> 00:02:08,840 see his understudy You Noah, you of all Harari basically saying the same type 28 00:02:08,840 --> 00:02:15,800 of stuff. What is transhumanism? Does it have a predecessor in the ancient 29 00:02:15,840 --> 00:02:21,319 gnostic cults and mystery religions? And is it kind of ultimately something gnostic? 30 00:02:22,919 --> 00:02:25,199 Yeah, thanks for having me, Jay, I really appreciate the opportunity and 31 00:02:25,319 --> 00:02:30,240 this is a topic that I've been really concerned with and is the primary focus 32 00:02:30,240 --> 00:02:32,759 of my academic research. And as you highlighted, you know, we have 33 00:02:32,800 --> 00:02:37,159 a lot of conversation, and you do incredible work talking about many of the 34 00:02:37,159 --> 00:02:42,520 globalist elite books and the technocracy and how transhumanism fits into that. But what 35 00:02:42,639 --> 00:02:46,719 I think most people aren't aware of is that the sort of philosophical presuppositions that 36 00:02:47,039 --> 00:02:53,840 give an undergird transhumanist philosophy in the contemporary period actually have pretty old roots. 37 00:02:53,199 --> 00:03:00,120 And I would argue that you can look back to early philosophers like Scotis Origina. 38 00:03:00,639 --> 00:03:07,080 He was an Irish Neoplatonic Christian deemed heretic by the Church, but he 39 00:03:07,159 --> 00:03:12,439 was considered one of the leading philosophers of the Carolyn Gian era, and in 40 00:03:12,520 --> 00:03:17,520 the eight hundreds he talked about this new concept of the useful arts as redeeming 41 00:03:19,000 --> 00:03:23,400 the abilities that were lost to Adam due to the fall. And so what's 42 00:03:23,439 --> 00:03:27,520 interesting, and a handful of scholars have made this argument and I actually agree 43 00:03:27,560 --> 00:03:32,479 with it, that transhumanism and transhumanist philosophy actually emerges out of heretical belief systems 44 00:03:32,520 --> 00:03:38,240 within Christianity, specifically Western Christianity, and that from the Scholastic period forward, 45 00:03:39,240 --> 00:03:46,400 this idea that technology and technological or mechanical means are going to divinize man and 46 00:03:46,240 --> 00:03:52,400 regain total universal knowledge over nature, which they believed Adam had before the fall, 47 00:03:52,960 --> 00:03:55,199 is therefore us moving back to the New Jerusalem. And this is generally 48 00:03:55,280 --> 00:04:01,759 characterized as a millenarian perspective as posed to a more traditional Christian perspective would be 49 00:04:01,759 --> 00:04:05,759 more of an apocalyptic and that would ebb and flow. There'd be good and 50 00:04:05,800 --> 00:04:12,639 bad periods throughout history, but ultimately the eschonological vision of traditional Christianity is that 51 00:04:12,680 --> 00:04:16,199 things are going to get worse in one sense or another. Where many of 52 00:04:16,199 --> 00:04:21,600 these heretical views that we can see moved through the Scholastic period through people like 53 00:04:23,199 --> 00:04:26,160 Yakima Fiore, and I'll speak a little bit more about that in just a 54 00:04:26,160 --> 00:04:32,240 few about why he is so influential, Roger Bacon moving into people like Paracelsus, 55 00:04:32,240 --> 00:04:38,439 the alchemist Henry Cornelis Agrippa, moving into somebody like Francis Bacon, who 56 00:04:38,480 --> 00:04:43,240 also wrote a book called The New Atlantis. And after the Reformation period there 57 00:04:43,319 --> 00:04:49,120 is this energy that was really characterizing Protestant Northern European ideas that was sort of 58 00:04:49,160 --> 00:04:59,240 blending hermetic ideas, esoteric Western esoteric ideals with Protestant Christianity and undergirded by this 59 00:04:59,319 --> 00:05:03,160 belief in and technological progress which ultimately is going to lead towards the transcendence of 60 00:05:03,199 --> 00:05:09,279 man and go to the New Jerusalem. And so much of the sixteenth century 61 00:05:09,279 --> 00:05:13,560 in the seventeenth century was characterized by this enlightenment utopian thinking that we were going 62 00:05:13,600 --> 00:05:17,040 to redeem ourselves through technology. And I would argue, and even Nick Bolstrom, 63 00:05:17,120 --> 00:05:20,199 we'll talk a little bit about he's one of the leading current philosophers of 64 00:05:20,240 --> 00:05:26,600 transhumanism. He has an article on the history of transhumanism, and he even 65 00:05:26,680 --> 00:05:32,000 highlights that many of the aspirations of transhumanism actually comes out of Western esoteric alchemy. 66 00:05:32,040 --> 00:05:35,199 But I think we could make a strong argument that it even emerges before 67 00:05:35,240 --> 00:05:40,079 that. Yeah, I like the Tian there was going to bring up her 68 00:05:40,120 --> 00:05:45,120 meticism. You know, there's a famous book by Dame Francis Yates on the 69 00:05:45,199 --> 00:05:48,720 Rosicrucian Enlightenment, and she highlights the beginning of that book the philosophy of say 70 00:05:48,800 --> 00:05:53,600 John Dee right the first Double O seven. John de was very interested in 71 00:05:53,639 --> 00:05:58,560 the notion of man achieving apotheosis through ritual magic, and a lot of the 72 00:05:59,040 --> 00:06:01,120 esotery stuff that you're talking talking about that we think about today comes out of 73 00:06:01,160 --> 00:06:08,680 this tradition of hermeticism, and even scientism itself actually has a lot of its 74 00:06:08,680 --> 00:06:12,680 origin in the hermetic tradition of the fifteen hundred and sixteen hundred and seventeen hundreds. 75 00:06:12,920 --> 00:06:15,879 Many of the famous scientists were involved in these esoteric lodges where they can 76 00:06:16,000 --> 00:06:19,720 conduct alchemy. Newton was a famous alchemist. Most people don't know this, 77 00:06:20,839 --> 00:06:27,279 and it ties in as well with the rise of Marxism and socialism because a 78 00:06:27,319 --> 00:06:31,279 lot of the groups that you're talking about, Yoakama fior and his radical Franciscan 79 00:06:31,319 --> 00:06:35,879 philosophy, it was a very imminentizing of the escaton, and that's just a 80 00:06:35,920 --> 00:06:40,720 fancy word for saying, we can bring the Kingdom of God into time and 81 00:06:40,800 --> 00:06:46,399 space through human works, create a kind of human kingdom of God. And 82 00:06:46,879 --> 00:06:50,000 later groups picked up on this idea. Thomas Munzer and the Munster Rebellion was 83 00:06:50,000 --> 00:06:55,879 an earlier the next phase of a kind of socialism, and as we get 84 00:06:55,959 --> 00:06:59,560 up into the period of Marx, Marx himself has a very technocratic bent in 85 00:06:59,600 --> 00:07:03,439 his right. He thinks that technology could be the key to the creation of 86 00:07:03,720 --> 00:07:09,120 what would quote liberate man and bring about the utopian state. We see this 87 00:07:09,199 --> 00:07:12,920 in other philosophers after Marx who also speak this way, and then we get 88 00:07:12,920 --> 00:07:15,959 into the technocrats and they share this idea. But like you said, it 89 00:07:16,279 --> 00:07:20,560 goes back to the ancient world of the idea of creating an ideal world, 90 00:07:20,639 --> 00:07:27,040 an ideal government. But it also wants to transform man. And I think 91 00:07:27,079 --> 00:07:30,600 when we mentioned gnosticism, why do you think they want to transform man? 92 00:07:30,680 --> 00:07:33,600 Is it something like out of the Garden of Eden, like the promise of 93 00:07:33,959 --> 00:07:35,759 that, you know, you can be like God, you can be your 94 00:07:35,800 --> 00:07:40,560 own God, And it all sounds like that. Yeah. I would argue, 95 00:07:41,120 --> 00:07:44,319 again, coming at it as an orthodox Christian, that it really is 96 00:07:44,399 --> 00:07:48,879 this sort of misinterpretation of Scripture being at Genesis three. But really, many 97 00:07:48,879 --> 00:07:55,920 of the thinkers throughout history that I would highlight regarding this trajectory of transhumanist undergirded 98 00:07:56,000 --> 00:08:03,800 presuppositions all believe in this linear progress that technology and rational apprehension of nature is 99 00:08:03,839 --> 00:08:07,959 what's going to transcend man and the traditional Christian understanding is the way that we 100 00:08:09,040 --> 00:08:13,120 unite with God is through a moral behavior, a moral living of our lives 101 00:08:13,120 --> 00:08:18,199 that reflects the teachings of Jesus Christ. And it's through that embodiment of the 102 00:08:18,240 --> 00:08:22,319 teachings of Christ and the uncreated energies as an orthodox Christian, that we become 103 00:08:22,360 --> 00:08:28,639 synergized by God. But this worldview is specifically about you could argue it has 104 00:08:28,680 --> 00:08:33,639 gnostic elements because of this emphasis on the rational apprehension of knowledge, which when 105 00:08:33,679 --> 00:08:37,320 we move into the twenty first century with somebody like you. Val Noah Harari 106 00:08:37,759 --> 00:08:43,159 and his philosophy of dataism, which I would argue is a central core to 107 00:08:43,600 --> 00:08:50,240 transhumanist philosophy. He actually argues in favor of philosophy dataism, where the only 108 00:08:50,279 --> 00:08:54,720 thing that truly exists in the world is information, and therefore the only thing 109 00:08:54,720 --> 00:08:58,120 that's important is the ability to process and cipher information. And he makes the 110 00:08:58,159 --> 00:09:03,240 claim towards the end of that book Homodeus, that we are just algorithms, 111 00:09:03,279 --> 00:09:07,120 and everything that's living is an algorithm, and therefore there is no real ontological 112 00:09:07,200 --> 00:09:13,759 distinction between a digital or computerly generated algorithm in us as biological entities, and 113 00:09:13,799 --> 00:09:18,000 the only thing that's important then is how much can we process? And therefore, 114 00:09:18,039 --> 00:09:24,840 if you are upgraded with hardware in your brain or essentially totally transcend human 115 00:09:24,919 --> 00:09:28,960 nature through transhumanism, that you are going to be at an ontologically a higher 116 00:09:28,000 --> 00:09:31,200 state than you could ever be as a human entity. And that really is 117 00:09:31,279 --> 00:09:35,159 gnostic in the sense that one it's a transcendent of nature for them, it's 118 00:09:35,200 --> 00:09:43,679 part of their post evolutionary philosophy. But it's that focus on rational apprehension, 119 00:09:43,720 --> 00:09:46,559 I think is something that can't be underappreciated, that it really stems out of 120 00:09:46,600 --> 00:09:52,039 spiritual ideas. And when we look at the twentieth century with somebody like Arthur 121 00:09:52,080 --> 00:09:56,879 C. Clark and his famous quote that any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from 122 00:09:56,879 --> 00:10:00,480 magic. You know, my research is really focused in the the realm of 123 00:10:00,519 --> 00:10:03,960 new religious movements in Western esoteric traditions, and I would argue that transhumanism is 124 00:10:05,480 --> 00:10:09,399 a new religious movement. It sort of challenges the categories of what religion is, 125 00:10:09,960 --> 00:10:13,200 but it's built on many presuppositions. Despite transhumanists now would say, oh, 126 00:10:13,200 --> 00:10:18,039 we're atheists, we're rationalists, we don't have any sort of spiritual worldview. 127 00:10:18,279 --> 00:10:22,720 But in fact I would say that they do, and these are ancient 128 00:10:22,840 --> 00:10:28,240 roots. And Yakima Fioria, as you mentioned, was an abbot who believed 129 00:10:28,279 --> 00:10:33,000 that there was these sort of three different ages that reflected the Trinity. There 130 00:10:33,039 --> 00:10:35,879 was the Age of the Father, which was the Old Testament, the Age 131 00:10:35,919 --> 00:10:39,879 of the Son, which was the incarnation of Christ. And then he believed, 132 00:10:39,240 --> 00:10:43,600 as most people do, that in his life, then they entered into 133 00:10:43,279 --> 00:10:46,720 the Age of the Holy Spirit. So he just happened to be at the 134 00:10:46,759 --> 00:10:50,399 precipice, and that this Age of the Holy Spirit then was all about the 135 00:10:52,519 --> 00:10:58,120 regeneration of man back to the Adenic state, and that technology and knowledge are 136 00:10:58,159 --> 00:11:03,480 the ways in which that curs. And when we look at somebody like Roger 137 00:11:03,519 --> 00:11:07,240 Bacon, who was also an English Franciscan friar, we see the exact same 138 00:11:07,320 --> 00:11:13,799 thing. And there's many legends regarding Roger Bacon. He was obviously considered an 139 00:11:13,840 --> 00:11:20,720 alchemist, but there's a big legend about his mechanical or necromantic brazen head that 140 00:11:20,799 --> 00:11:24,159 he was able to conjure and that he could then ask the questions to this 141 00:11:24,679 --> 00:11:30,200 mechanical or necromantic head and it would give him all sites of responses. It 142 00:11:30,240 --> 00:11:31,360 was a sort of an all knowing entity, and it's like, well, 143 00:11:31,360 --> 00:11:35,799 that's in the thirteen hundreds and we can already see a sort of precursor in 144 00:11:35,840 --> 00:11:41,399 what many people believe that AGI is going to be. Yeah, the idea 145 00:11:41,480 --> 00:11:48,919 of a mimicked logic machine that mimics the human brain. This is the origins 146 00:11:48,960 --> 00:11:52,480 of modern computing. If you look at Leibnuzleivenuz in some of his writings, 147 00:11:54,039 --> 00:11:58,879 you know, the co founder of Calculus at the same time as Newton. 148 00:11:58,919 --> 00:12:03,919 He has essays talks about the possibility of building on the basis of his kind 149 00:12:03,919 --> 00:12:09,159 of neoplatonic philosophy, a machine that mimics the logic of the human mind, 150 00:12:09,200 --> 00:12:11,279 and it kind of sets the stage for the rise of the computer. I 151 00:12:11,360 --> 00:12:16,919 think the medieval Gollum mythology also plays into that. There is an overlap two 152 00:12:16,960 --> 00:12:22,600 with medieval cabbala and her meticism and scientism that emerges out of that as well. 153 00:12:22,679 --> 00:12:26,759 So there's a lot of strains that go together absolutely. And one thing 154 00:12:26,799 --> 00:12:31,600 you talk about a lot in your videos, and you have a channel Churcy 155 00:12:31,600 --> 00:12:35,120 Eternal Logos over on YouTube. You talk a lot about boundaries and that men 156 00:12:35,919 --> 00:12:41,840 and the masculine spirit is very interested in erecting and protecting boundaries. That's part 157 00:12:41,879 --> 00:12:45,159 of what it is to be a man, and appreciate that because this is 158 00:12:45,200 --> 00:12:48,879 overlooked today. I just did a stream kind of piggybacking your masculinity stream. 159 00:12:50,440 --> 00:12:56,080 And this relates to the transhumanist stuff, because transhumanism is really about going beyond 160 00:12:56,120 --> 00:13:01,399 all boundaries, and it ties into the trans agenda in terms of biology, 161 00:13:01,799 --> 00:13:05,879 because the idea that when you're mentioning these esotericis when we look at something like 162 00:13:05,919 --> 00:13:09,960 the image of Baphomet, we notice that it has both genders, and in 163 00:13:09,000 --> 00:13:13,039 some of the occult circles and traditions, there's this idea that to have both 164 00:13:13,080 --> 00:13:16,600 of the genders or to be non binary, to go beyond that is to 165 00:13:16,679 --> 00:13:22,519 return to this original primal monadic state, which is not in any kind of 166 00:13:22,960 --> 00:13:28,320 division or differentiation. So, for example, to go from the original source 167 00:13:28,440 --> 00:13:35,159 primal monad state to male and female is somehow a fall into a lesser state 168 00:13:35,200 --> 00:13:37,279 of being. And they have an assumption, and you can actually read some 169 00:13:37,320 --> 00:13:41,679 of the esotericists and the occultists and the Crollians, they'll speak this. Well, 170 00:13:41,960 --> 00:13:45,840 they'll say, we need to get back to some kind of non gendered 171 00:13:46,440 --> 00:13:54,279 supra state beyond man and woman or being both. That statue that they unveiled 172 00:13:54,360 --> 00:13:58,720 in one of the Nordic countries where it was a man with genitalia having breast 173 00:14:00,200 --> 00:14:03,039 a baby. That is a form of the baphomet imagery here. How does 174 00:14:03,080 --> 00:14:07,799 that relate to the transhumanist movement though? And this idea of transcending boundaries, 175 00:14:09,919 --> 00:14:13,360 well, yeah, you highlight that transcendence of boundaries or the dissolution of boundaries. 176 00:14:13,440 --> 00:14:18,759 Terrence mckennaon was famous for arguing that that's exactly what psychedelics do. And 177 00:14:18,080 --> 00:14:22,799 I would argue that much of when we look at the agenda of the elites, 178 00:14:22,879 --> 00:14:26,759 the dissolution of national boundaries, the dissolution of boundaries between man and machine, 179 00:14:26,799 --> 00:14:31,559 the dissolution of boundaries between man and animal, the dissolution of boundaries between 180 00:14:31,559 --> 00:14:35,159 male and female, that these are actually attacks on the psyche. These are 181 00:14:35,200 --> 00:14:39,000 attacks on the reality of God's creation. These are attacks on our ability to 182 00:14:39,159 --> 00:14:43,759 logically and rationally apprehend and process reality. 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And before the Breakthore I was trying to get into the 224 00:17:33,519 --> 00:17:37,480 point of this element of on the one hand, we want no boundaries. 225 00:17:37,559 --> 00:17:45,599 However, all of reality in this quantification perspective is seen to be somehow information. 226 00:17:45,799 --> 00:17:48,799 Well, to have information requires setting some kind of boundaries. We have 227 00:17:48,880 --> 00:17:52,440 this piece of information, which is the sink from this piece of information. 228 00:17:52,559 --> 00:17:56,720 So having in knowing information requires boundaries you have. At the same time, 229 00:17:56,720 --> 00:18:00,960 we're told that there are no boundaries and man must sort of step beyond all 230 00:18:02,039 --> 00:18:07,559 boundaries and somehow achieve his own divinity. And it's always based on weird fallacies, 231 00:18:07,599 --> 00:18:12,759 weird illogical contradictions. Klaus and Harari, for example, say that there's 232 00:18:12,799 --> 00:18:17,480 no such thing as consciousness, there's no such thing as the mind. However, 233 00:18:17,680 --> 00:18:19,640 we're going to upload the mind to the cloud. How are you gonna 234 00:18:19,680 --> 00:18:22,880 upload something that doesn't exist? It makes no sense. Man is going to 235 00:18:22,960 --> 00:18:26,680 be god, of course, but man is meaningless muck from the pond skam 236 00:18:26,720 --> 00:18:32,599 of the ancient, primordial world of the soup. So it's always a contradictory 237 00:18:32,640 --> 00:18:38,039 story and narrative. Yet they're selling us on this myth that technology will somehow 238 00:18:38,039 --> 00:18:44,960 make us into gods or Marvel Universe. Soy men, superheroes, right, 239 00:18:45,160 --> 00:18:51,119 what's the root of this in terms of what they really want? So we've 240 00:18:51,119 --> 00:18:55,799 talked about the ancient history, but what's the real goal of the transhumanists in 241 00:18:55,839 --> 00:19:00,000 your view? Well, it depends on who you are in regards to some 242 00:19:00,039 --> 00:19:03,880 of these contemporary philosophers. You know, if you look at one who is 243 00:19:03,880 --> 00:19:08,079 a co founder of Humanity Plus, which is sort of the rebranding of the 244 00:19:08,079 --> 00:19:14,519 Transhumanist Association, the World Transhumanist Association that was rebranded in the early two thousands 245 00:19:14,519 --> 00:19:19,440 as Humanity Plus by philosopher Nick Bolstrom, and David Perce And David Purse describes 246 00:19:19,519 --> 00:19:26,480 himself as a negative utilitarian, and that philosophical worldview is interested in the elimination, 247 00:19:26,640 --> 00:19:30,599 or at least the limiting, to the most significant extent, suffering. 248 00:19:30,000 --> 00:19:37,119 And so he is a vegan who promotes a hedonistic transhumanism which is about the 249 00:19:37,279 --> 00:19:41,839 engineering. This is a direct quote of paradise engineering. So he believes that 250 00:19:41,880 --> 00:19:47,400 this hedonistic transhumanism, what they're going to do through the technologies is engineer paradise. 251 00:19:47,960 --> 00:19:52,839 And in so doing he goes so far is that he wants to redesign 252 00:19:52,079 --> 00:19:57,119 the total global ecosystem. I kid you not. And in his own writings, 253 00:19:57,160 --> 00:20:03,920 he would want to re design predatory species so that they would no longer 254 00:20:03,599 --> 00:20:07,920 eat other animals and therefore eliminate suffering. And the one of the ways in 255 00:20:07,960 --> 00:20:11,279 which he postulates we might be able to do that is through a brain implant. 256 00:20:11,680 --> 00:20:15,160 And so what would happen is when you experience suffering, this would be 257 00:20:15,200 --> 00:20:21,519 sort of transmutated into a sense of pleasure, but it would be it would 258 00:20:21,559 --> 00:20:23,880 be the way he describes it is, it would inform you that you would 259 00:20:23,960 --> 00:20:29,000 be suffering. It'd be a different type of stimulation but therefore when you experience 260 00:20:29,039 --> 00:20:33,240 suffering, you wouldn't actually feel it. Well. From a Christian worldview, 261 00:20:33,240 --> 00:20:38,839 that is demonic. And we've talked about sort of providing everybody with their hedonistic 262 00:20:38,880 --> 00:20:45,119 desires and living in you know, podlike entities with their ubi, all their 263 00:20:45,359 --> 00:20:49,240 you know, kibble, and their their bugs ready there to eat for them. 264 00:20:49,319 --> 00:20:53,960 And he's very much in favor of a utopian worldview like this where you 265 00:20:55,039 --> 00:20:59,759 talk with other major transhumanist thinkers. You know. Max More is really kind 266 00:20:59,759 --> 00:21:04,039 of can considered one of the premier philosophers and founders of contemporary transhumanism, and 267 00:21:04,440 --> 00:21:11,519 he owns the Alcore Life Extension Foundation in Scottsdale, Arizona, which is focused 268 00:21:11,559 --> 00:21:18,200 on cryogenics, and so they are currently freezing human bodies right before death. 269 00:21:18,240 --> 00:21:23,759 So this is a sort of assisted mediated death where they will you'll go there 270 00:21:23,839 --> 00:21:30,240 before you die. And he's actually recently on the THEO Vaughn podcast talking about 271 00:21:30,240 --> 00:21:33,799 what they do at Alcore and you have to obviously sign waivers, it's very 272 00:21:33,839 --> 00:21:37,720 expensive, and then they'll place your body in a form of liquid nitrogen or 273 00:21:37,759 --> 00:21:41,240 you can just put your brain in there, so you have kind of two 274 00:21:41,319 --> 00:21:45,160 options and it's been speculating. I don't know for sure, so somebody will 275 00:21:45,200 --> 00:21:48,400 have to fact check me. But Bill Gates and some of the elites have 276 00:21:48,480 --> 00:21:55,559 been very interested in cryogenics, and his wife Natasha Vitamore actually participated in an 277 00:21:55,559 --> 00:22:02,279 experiment at the University of Seville in Spain where they were to prove that there 278 00:22:02,359 --> 00:22:07,000 was no memory loss in multicellular organisms when they were cryonically frozen. So what 279 00:22:07,039 --> 00:22:14,240 they did is they froze neurons and tissues from a multicellular organism and then we're 280 00:22:14,279 --> 00:22:18,519 able to unfreeze it. Although it's a little bit more technical because obviously if 281 00:22:18,519 --> 00:22:21,160 it was just frozen in the way that we think something in the freezer, 282 00:22:21,559 --> 00:22:25,799 it would the water would be a major problem for the tissues and all this 283 00:22:25,920 --> 00:22:29,720 different stuff. So there's a different process for it, and they're very emphatic 284 00:22:29,759 --> 00:22:33,519 to explain this when everybody brings it up. But what they did prove is 285 00:22:33,519 --> 00:22:38,839 that the memory of something before could be maintained after it was sort of resuscitated. 286 00:22:38,880 --> 00:22:44,839 And so the whole point of Alcore Life Extension Foundation is for what they 287 00:22:44,960 --> 00:22:48,319 deem and what they even describe explicitly as a form of resurrection, and that 288 00:22:48,720 --> 00:22:53,799 people who pay for these services that eventually, at some point in the future, 289 00:22:53,839 --> 00:22:57,039 whether we're able to, in their opinion, upload our brains or our 290 00:22:57,119 --> 00:23:03,920 minds to a computter or be able to totally technologically augment the human entity, 291 00:23:04,319 --> 00:23:07,960 that they'll be able to revive somebody right on the brink of death before they're 292 00:23:08,000 --> 00:23:11,400 frozen, and they would be able to sort of transfer them to a new 293 00:23:11,440 --> 00:23:17,839 body. And this is something that they believe they're making headway in, and 294 00:23:17,880 --> 00:23:22,119 this is something that a lot of money is being pushed for. And when 295 00:23:22,119 --> 00:23:25,880 you look at their founders, it's many of the same global movers and shakers 296 00:23:25,880 --> 00:23:30,160 that you would suspect funding a lot of this research. Yeah, it's just 297 00:23:30,200 --> 00:23:33,880 weird to me. The way the thought process of a lot of these people 298 00:23:33,000 --> 00:23:36,880 is that, you know, they give the appearance of being very logical and 299 00:23:37,000 --> 00:23:41,359 very rational and sort of almost worshiping mathematics, like some sort of weird Pythagorean 300 00:23:41,440 --> 00:23:44,519 cult or something. And yet at the same time, if I were to 301 00:23:44,799 --> 00:23:48,319 say, you know, I brought the number seven with me, would you 302 00:23:48,400 --> 00:23:52,319 like to talk to him? Would you like to talk to the number seven? 303 00:23:52,359 --> 00:23:53,680 People would think you're insane. They think you have a mental problem. 304 00:23:53,759 --> 00:23:57,160 You can't talk to the number seven. And yet when we think about what 305 00:23:57,200 --> 00:24:03,160 a computer is or what a is, it's really nothing more than a bunch 306 00:24:03,160 --> 00:24:07,759 of nerd code. There's there's no consciousness there. And yet they'll treat well. 307 00:24:07,799 --> 00:24:10,759 If we just put more nerd code in there, eventually it'll like become 308 00:24:10,839 --> 00:24:15,079 it's like a magical thinking, if you like, more algorithms somehow equate to 309 00:24:15,240 --> 00:24:19,480 consciousness. And I was I recently did a lecture on Lewis Carroll's Through the 310 00:24:19,480 --> 00:24:22,960 Looking Glass, which is a sequel to Alice in Wonderland, and we went 311 00:24:23,000 --> 00:24:26,640 really deep into the philosophy of that book. He was a mathematician, and 312 00:24:26,680 --> 00:24:32,920 in certain ways I think some of his thought uh sort of sort of presages 313 00:24:33,279 --> 00:24:37,279 where we are now, because he was a pretty strict determinist and he put 314 00:24:37,480 --> 00:24:45,799 his mathematical determinism into the the Alice stories. And when you get into the 315 00:24:45,799 --> 00:24:48,799 the later chapters of the copy that I have, there's a there's a reprinting 316 00:24:48,880 --> 00:24:53,920 of what the tortoise said to Achilles. And this is a famous logic problem 317 00:24:53,960 --> 00:24:57,880 in the history of of of logic. But it all it overlaps with mathematics 318 00:24:57,920 --> 00:25:03,319 as well, because it sort of makes the point that, following upon Zeno's 319 00:25:03,359 --> 00:25:10,880 paradox, that you kind of can't encapsulate some things in sets, or in 320 00:25:10,960 --> 00:25:15,759 math or in logic. And it overlaps with Girdel's in completeness theorems where the 321 00:25:15,880 --> 00:25:18,720 sets appeal outside of themselves. And the reason I bring all that up there's 322 00:25:18,720 --> 00:25:22,240 a famous paper that was written some decades back. I think it's at Oxford. 323 00:25:22,279 --> 00:25:26,319 It's called Mind Machines and Girdell, and it's making the point that some 324 00:25:26,359 --> 00:25:32,079 of these mathematical principles and philosophical logical principles that we're talking about that you see 325 00:25:32,079 --> 00:25:37,440 in some of Lewis Carroll's writings, it kind of demonstrates the impossibility of numbers 326 00:25:37,960 --> 00:25:42,400 or sets ever becoming self aware or self conscious. It's not possible. It 327 00:25:44,119 --> 00:25:48,000 makes no sense. Yet, so much of what we're talking about with AI 328 00:25:48,279 --> 00:25:53,119 and transhumanism is premise on the idea that it can just become conscious. So 329 00:25:53,160 --> 00:25:57,880 how do you see an overlap maybe with evolutionary philosophy and transhumanism the idea that 330 00:25:57,920 --> 00:26:03,160 we're evolving, maybe even humans and robots or robots are going to become conscious 331 00:26:03,160 --> 00:26:06,599 and the we're gonna meld with them like how in two thousand and one or 332 00:26:06,640 --> 00:26:10,240 something, right, I think most people in regards to that question are gonna 333 00:26:10,240 --> 00:26:15,240 be familiar with like Vernervinge and Ray Kurzwell's theory of the singularity, which is 334 00:26:15,359 --> 00:26:18,839 built on this idea that there's going to be this ex dimensional growth of technology 335 00:26:18,880 --> 00:26:22,200 based on Moore's law, and that we're going to reach this sort of apex 336 00:26:22,920 --> 00:26:26,480 and it really is a sort of eschaological vision of transhumanism. And this is 337 00:26:26,519 --> 00:26:30,279 one of the reasons why I think it really gels well with many of these 338 00:26:30,799 --> 00:26:37,880 medieval Renaissance Enlightenment ideas of utopia, because transhumanism does fit into that quite well. 339 00:26:38,519 --> 00:26:41,839 And when we you know, and I think it needs to be said 340 00:26:41,880 --> 00:26:47,200 that transhumanism and that term and the way we understand it was actually first said 341 00:26:47,200 --> 00:26:51,799 by Julian Huxley, and he wrote a book in nineteen fifty seven called New 342 00:26:51,839 --> 00:26:56,759 Bottles for New Wine, describing what he articulated as the religion without revelation. 343 00:26:56,440 --> 00:27:00,920 And that's what transhumanism essentially is, is that we don't longer need to deal 344 00:27:00,960 --> 00:27:07,119 with revelation because revelation is occurring through our rational apprehension of the world. But 345 00:27:07,319 --> 00:27:11,880 you mentioned earlier again, this sort of dissolution of boundaries in this emphasis on 346 00:27:12,119 --> 00:27:21,119 unity is very much a neoplatonic presupposition and it's characterized throughout transhumanism because they are 347 00:27:22,839 --> 00:27:26,279 focused on this unifying principle. So Ray Kurzwel, for example, in his 348 00:27:26,359 --> 00:27:30,440 books I Believe It's the Age of Spiritual Machines literally believes and he promotes this 349 00:27:30,559 --> 00:27:37,359 idea that we will all be interconnected and there will be essentially a global hive 350 00:27:37,480 --> 00:27:41,880 mind of humanity. And again that's another dissolution of boundaries. And this is 351 00:27:41,920 --> 00:27:47,680 why transhumanism so much in favor of androgyny, and they use the rhetoric. 352 00:27:48,599 --> 00:27:55,279 Well, they're very very supportive of the LGBTQ enterprise because of what they deem 353 00:27:55,359 --> 00:28:00,079 as bodily autonomy, and so if you can transition and you can change genders, 354 00:28:00,160 --> 00:28:06,319 this one shows a sort of nominal reality that these universal characteristics don't really 355 00:28:06,359 --> 00:28:11,880 exist and we can augment ourselves. But it also highlights this push towards it 356 00:28:11,920 --> 00:28:15,599 doing away with traditional masculinity. As we said, is very much principally oriented 357 00:28:15,640 --> 00:28:19,240 around boundaries and the maintaining of boundaries, whether it be men that went to 358 00:28:19,279 --> 00:28:25,039 war, to defend national boundaries or religious principles, or the tribe itself or 359 00:28:25,079 --> 00:28:29,119 their wives and children. These were all boundaries to some extent in which men 360 00:28:29,160 --> 00:28:32,839 defend, and that's also done through ideology, that's done through religion and culture, 361 00:28:33,319 --> 00:28:36,960 and what we're seeing right now through multiculturalism and globalism. All these things 362 00:28:37,039 --> 00:28:42,200 are sort of dissolutions of boundaries to some degree or another. And post evolutionary 363 00:28:42,279 --> 00:28:48,519 theory is essential to transhumanism. So I have a handful of philosophical presuppositions that 364 00:28:48,559 --> 00:28:52,960 really characterize transhumanism. The first one I would say is post secularism, and 365 00:28:53,039 --> 00:28:59,079 so actually the Frankfurt School Jurgen Habermos. I'm not a big fan of the 366 00:28:59,119 --> 00:29:03,079 Frankfurt School, but Jurgen Habermas had really a great criticism of what he saw 367 00:29:03,119 --> 00:29:07,759 as genetic engineering and the development of crisper technologies and stuff like this, and 368 00:29:07,799 --> 00:29:11,519 he highlighted how this was part of the decadence of liberal democracies in the West. 369 00:29:12,119 --> 00:29:18,559 But he described transhumanism in this enterprise as a post secular phenomenon. So 370 00:29:18,599 --> 00:29:22,319 what post secularism means is that secularism, as most people probably understand, is 371 00:29:22,359 --> 00:29:27,559 this distinction between the religious ultimate meaning, and then the sort of secular enterprise 372 00:29:29,079 --> 00:29:33,279 and the sort of public sphere and stuff. Well, because of whether it 373 00:29:33,319 --> 00:29:37,640 be postmodernism, posthumanism, or post secularism, all these things are a collapsing 374 00:29:37,680 --> 00:29:42,160 of boundaries again, and so post secularism is the collapsing of the boundary between 375 00:29:42,200 --> 00:29:48,680 the religious and the secular. And Habermas highlighted that what transhumanism is is because 376 00:29:48,680 --> 00:29:52,000 of the postmodern turn, it really is a form of post secular meaning making, 377 00:29:52,039 --> 00:29:56,359 which ultimately is a religious narrative, and he argued that it really is 378 00:29:56,400 --> 00:30:00,920 a secular faith, and multiple other academics have made this argument regarding transhumanism as 379 00:30:00,920 --> 00:30:06,359 a post secular faith. Now, posthumanism is also essential, and there's kind 380 00:30:06,400 --> 00:30:12,759 of a couple competing schools within posthumanism. There's more of the ecological bent that's 381 00:30:12,920 --> 00:30:18,240 very radical and doing away with an anthropocentric view of the twenty first century. 382 00:30:18,279 --> 00:30:26,640 And so the idea is to reorient our perception away from what benefits mankind generally 383 00:30:26,680 --> 00:30:32,799 speaking, towards the earth or nature or the cosmos or something like this. 384 00:30:32,920 --> 00:30:38,000 And so they are wanting to end the sort of enlightenment project of man being 385 00:30:38,039 --> 00:30:42,720 the sort of measure of all things, and transhumanism though posthuman because they want 386 00:30:42,759 --> 00:30:48,279 to sort of transcend the limits of biology. They do compete with these people 387 00:30:48,359 --> 00:30:52,000 because many of these transhumanisms, like Max Moore and Natasha Vitamore, Nick Bolstrom, 388 00:30:52,039 --> 00:30:57,119 they're very outspoken of how much they disdain postmodernism because they view themselves as 389 00:30:57,119 --> 00:31:02,680 these sort of technological scientists, philosophers that are highly rational, that are actually 390 00:31:02,720 --> 00:31:06,480 doing real things in the world with their research, compared to these postmoderns. 391 00:31:07,000 --> 00:31:12,160 So transhumanism believes that it is the sort of epitome of the Enlightenment project. 392 00:31:12,200 --> 00:31:15,920 They are the endpoint of the Enlightenment, and so they're very clear Max Moore 393 00:31:15,920 --> 00:31:19,720 and Nick Bostrom that they are sort of the fulfillment of man is the measure 394 00:31:19,759 --> 00:31:27,079 of all things, and that transhumanism then is the ability to transcend biological constraints, 395 00:31:27,400 --> 00:31:30,960 and that leads into then if you transcend biological constraints, that leads into 396 00:31:32,000 --> 00:31:34,480 one of the other pillars, which is post evolution. That they believe that 397 00:31:34,519 --> 00:31:41,440 the the of course, they're very Darwinian Wallace theory evolutionarily oriented in their mindset, 398 00:31:41,480 --> 00:31:45,200 but they believe that by transcending biology, they're going to transcend the selective 399 00:31:45,240 --> 00:31:51,519 pressures of evolution itself, which is for them a sort of spiritual transcendence. 400 00:31:52,079 --> 00:31:55,640 It's a release from the suffering and the constraints of the world. And that 401 00:31:55,759 --> 00:31:57,640 all then, how is that accomplished? That comes to this fourth pillar of 402 00:31:57,720 --> 00:32:02,680 data ism, about the processing and ciphering and understanding of information, which really 403 00:32:02,759 --> 00:32:07,960 is I would argue a sort of a gnostic core to transhumanism, although they 404 00:32:07,960 --> 00:32:12,359 would certainly not explain it that way, but I would argue that's exactly what 405 00:32:12,440 --> 00:32:19,359 it is. Yeah, I was thinking to a lot of the essays that 406 00:32:19,400 --> 00:32:23,720 I wrote some years back, and I remember writing about the overlaps between even 407 00:32:23,759 --> 00:32:30,119 though there was some disagreement between Gnostics and Plotinus, the basic idea here is 408 00:32:30,160 --> 00:32:34,319 that we're escaping this world, escaping this reality, to go back to the 409 00:32:34,359 --> 00:32:37,160 source, the One, the monad, the unit he or whatever. So 410 00:32:37,440 --> 00:32:39,920 what a lot of the transhumanist ideas have done in regard to things like the 411 00:32:39,920 --> 00:32:44,000 metaverse and where they want to take us with this idea of the matrix is 412 00:32:44,319 --> 00:32:46,640 to really put that into the here and the now in a technological sense. 413 00:32:46,640 --> 00:32:51,559 So even though there's they may not believe in an afterlife or a higher transcendent 414 00:32:51,640 --> 00:32:55,960 reality. The idea is we can put man into his own sort of virtual 415 00:32:57,759 --> 00:33:00,039 god world of his own. It makes me think of that the cell with 416 00:33:00,160 --> 00:33:07,680 the Jennifer Lopez where she goes into this the mind of the serial killer and 417 00:33:07,799 --> 00:33:10,720 in that world he's sort of his own god and he wants to be worshiped 418 00:33:10,759 --> 00:33:15,880 in that virtual world. I think that's the ultimate offer here for the breaking 419 00:33:15,880 --> 00:33:19,599 down of all boundaries is well, what if you could be the god of 420 00:33:19,640 --> 00:33:22,839 your own virtual mental world, wouldn't you want to live in that world and 421 00:33:22,880 --> 00:33:27,920 not in this world? So they're really sort of offering this, you know, 422 00:33:28,440 --> 00:33:35,160 divided fake simulacrum as a pseudo heaven. You could say almost would you 423 00:33:35,160 --> 00:33:37,799 agree with that? And that's really where they're pushed why they're pushing a lot 424 00:33:37,839 --> 00:33:40,079 of the the brain ships in virtual reality where they want to take things. 425 00:33:40,400 --> 00:33:46,359 And you brought up Baphomet too, which again the most tracings of the historicity 426 00:33:46,440 --> 00:33:51,559 of sort of veneration of Bahamet kind of goes back to the Knight's templars, 427 00:33:52,119 --> 00:33:55,480 which when we look at Yakima Fiore, you know his mentor was Bernard of 428 00:33:55,559 --> 00:34:01,160 Clairvau, who is by many considered the sort of spiritual father of the Templars, 429 00:34:01,559 --> 00:34:07,240 and the Templars. I've done research looking into esoteric spirituality and the sort 430 00:34:07,240 --> 00:34:15,239 of mystery schools, and they participated in very interesting homoerotic initiation ceremonies for the 431 00:34:15,239 --> 00:34:22,679 Templars, and they were reviving of gnosticism generally speaking. So when you look 432 00:34:22,719 --> 00:34:29,800 at this ultimate transcendence and a gaining and attaining many of these divine qualities like 433 00:34:29,840 --> 00:34:35,400 omnipotence, omnipresence, omnipresence is one that Ray Kurzwell is very interested in regards 434 00:34:35,440 --> 00:34:38,719 to the sort of digital interconnecting of all mankind that essentially then we become one 435 00:34:39,199 --> 00:34:43,920 man or one entity around the world, and because of that then we have 436 00:34:44,000 --> 00:34:49,039 attained the sort of divine ability of omnipresence. And then obviously, through the 437 00:34:49,079 --> 00:34:52,599 AI and that becoming essentially your brain, you're going to have omnipotence. And 438 00:34:52,880 --> 00:34:58,719 this is for them always the sort of smashing together of opposites. This is 439 00:34:58,760 --> 00:35:02,760 the way in which they view this sort of neoplatonic presupposition of unity over multiplicity 440 00:35:04,119 --> 00:35:07,119 that they worship unity, and I think from a spiritual perspective, it becomes 441 00:35:07,159 --> 00:35:10,440 that they worship themselves, as you highlighted, so you're only one person, 442 00:35:12,039 --> 00:35:15,039 and there's a I think it's subtle, but it's an important point to make 443 00:35:15,079 --> 00:35:22,679 that because they worship themselves, they tend to worship pure unity or pure monad 444 00:35:22,199 --> 00:35:27,559 And I think this could be characterized in regards to New Age religion various forms 445 00:35:27,599 --> 00:35:31,239 of narcissism, neoplatonism, but transhumanism, I would say, is characterized by 446 00:35:31,239 --> 00:35:37,800 the same thing. Yeah, speaking of the Huxleys, I mean Ala Suxley's 447 00:35:37,800 --> 00:35:43,440 book Perennial Philosophy says that we need to concoct or sort of create the religion 448 00:35:43,480 --> 00:35:46,159 of the future of the world technocratic order, and he says that what it 449 00:35:46,199 --> 00:35:52,559 needs to be is some kind of ultimate big blob where everybody just worships collectivity 450 00:35:52,960 --> 00:35:59,320 in some generic monatic sense, and the purpose is more of a geopolitical strategic 451 00:35:59,360 --> 00:36:02,519 agenda of control than it is some sort of you know, well, we 452 00:36:02,599 --> 00:36:06,360 really want to see people be enlightened. I mean, no, no, 453 00:36:06,519 --> 00:36:08,920 no. If you go listen to the clip of Terrence McKenna on YouTube, 454 00:36:08,960 --> 00:36:13,639 I think when I found this clip is really it really showed me everything about 455 00:36:13,800 --> 00:36:17,840 Terrence McKenna's look up the Clipperies where it's it's the discussion of what the mushroom 456 00:36:17,920 --> 00:36:22,639 said to me, and it's not what you think, because he says, 457 00:36:22,719 --> 00:36:25,800 well, when I spoke to the mushroom, the mushroom told me that we 458 00:36:25,880 --> 00:36:32,280 don't need less brown people in third world countries. It's the white soccer moms 459 00:36:32,320 --> 00:36:37,360 that need to stop having babies because it's killing the planet. So he literally 460 00:36:37,440 --> 00:36:42,000 says that we need to stop having white kids because that's what's killing the planet. 461 00:36:42,199 --> 00:36:45,519 So there's a geopolitical strategic agenda behind this same thing. If you listen 462 00:36:45,599 --> 00:36:52,119 to remember years ago listening to Manly P. Hall's lectures on esoterica and astrology, 463 00:36:52,320 --> 00:36:54,280 and the last lecture of that whole series was him saying, oh, 464 00:36:54,320 --> 00:36:58,000 by the way, the purpose of all this is that we need a socialist 465 00:36:58,079 --> 00:37:01,880 world government led by the United Nations. So we're not getting esoteric mysteries. 466 00:37:01,880 --> 00:37:07,559 We're getting a geopolitical agenda of a one world government and technocratic agenda. I 467 00:37:07,559 --> 00:37:10,519 think the same thing is going along with the transhumanists who want to promote things 468 00:37:10,559 --> 00:37:14,960 like collectivism, New Age, all this so that everybody can be merged into 469 00:37:15,000 --> 00:37:19,920 the high mind right, absolutely. And you know, we kind of mentioned 470 00:37:19,960 --> 00:37:23,159 some of these early players in regards to setting the foundation for transhumanist thought, 471 00:37:23,199 --> 00:37:28,960 and I'd like to just mention one further connection I think is really interesting in 472 00:37:28,960 --> 00:37:34,159 regards to how they understood mechanical technology as the extension of divinity. And so 473 00:37:34,199 --> 00:37:38,440 we highlighted in the eight hundreds John Scotis a Regina. Then we talked about 474 00:37:38,480 --> 00:37:44,159 Yakima Fiore and his dates are eleven thirty five to twelve oh two. Then 475 00:37:44,159 --> 00:37:49,159 we get Roger Bacon into the thirteenth century. Then Henry Cornelius Agrimpa. This 476 00:37:49,239 --> 00:37:52,159 is after the Italian Renaissance. This is after the translation of the Hermetic Corpus, 477 00:37:52,199 --> 00:37:57,199 which was deemed by Cosmo de Medici more important than Plato at that time, 478 00:37:57,239 --> 00:38:00,639 even though Latin in the West didn't have a full read of Plato. 479 00:38:00,119 --> 00:38:05,639 And he has a quote that it was precisely this power over nature which Adam 480 00:38:05,679 --> 00:38:09,920 had lost by original sin, by which the purified soul the magician could now 481 00:38:09,960 --> 00:38:14,320 regain. And he highlighted this in the sixteenth century, and this was sort 482 00:38:14,360 --> 00:38:19,639 of echoed by Paracelsus. Both of those individuals or followers of Yakima Fiore. 483 00:38:19,679 --> 00:38:24,519 They're called Yakamite prophecies or Yakamites, who followed this idea that technology was going 484 00:38:24,559 --> 00:38:30,920 to gain the capabilities of God and this was the point of mankind. Francis 485 00:38:30,960 --> 00:38:34,960 Bacon then also echoes this. But the book that Francis Bacon has called The 486 00:38:34,960 --> 00:38:37,440 New Atlantis one of the things that's really interesting. It's subtle, but it 487 00:38:37,519 --> 00:38:44,400 has a lot of symbolism related to the Rosicrucians, who also had the same 488 00:38:44,480 --> 00:38:49,559 idea in their esoteric spirituality that they were going to blend Protestant Christianity, hermetic, 489 00:38:49,639 --> 00:38:54,280 magical, esoteric, cabitalistic ideas with science and technology itself to create utopia 490 00:38:54,360 --> 00:38:59,239 because the millennium was at hand. Because they also believed in the prophecies of 491 00:38:59,280 --> 00:39:01,920 Yakima Fiora's right, and so you see books like Thomas Moore, he has 492 00:39:01,960 --> 00:39:07,519 a book called Utopia. Tomaso Campanella has one called The City of God, 493 00:39:07,840 --> 00:39:13,199 which literally enshrined the worship of science and technology for the social and moral perfection 494 00:39:13,320 --> 00:39:19,159 of man. And then you look into the seventeenth century with Johann andre He 495 00:39:19,400 --> 00:39:24,639 who was a alchemist, esoteric thinker. He's he claims that he wrote the 496 00:39:24,719 --> 00:39:31,159 Chemical Wedding of Christian Rosencrouz, the foundation friends. Yeah, and he wrote 497 00:39:31,199 --> 00:39:37,280 a book that was again utopianistic, called Christianopolis, which literally and this what 498 00:39:37,400 --> 00:39:43,079 I think is so interesting. He argues that mechanical technology was the way that 499 00:39:43,199 --> 00:39:47,239 man's soul would unfold itself. So man's soul, in his image of God 500 00:39:47,280 --> 00:39:52,920 his divinity, would unfold itself through technology, therefore making technology the sort of 501 00:39:53,039 --> 00:39:58,000 ladder that's that we're going to climb out of the detritus that we're in. 502 00:39:58,599 --> 00:40:05,280 And so we see then and you've mentioned this before about the Royal society, 503 00:40:05,320 --> 00:40:10,159 but the Rosicrucians had the concept of the invisible College and this actually was the 504 00:40:10,199 --> 00:40:15,760 precursor and many argue, many scholars have argued the foundation for the actual royal 505 00:40:15,800 --> 00:40:20,920 society itself. That the rose Aicrucian manifestos and many of these manuscripts were saying 506 00:40:20,920 --> 00:40:23,400 that there was this invisible college that was already under way, that these men 507 00:40:23,480 --> 00:40:28,760 were working to manifest this thing, and then it connected to the royal society. 508 00:40:28,760 --> 00:40:31,199 I think is really interesting. It is. Yeah, Hegel plays a 509 00:40:31,280 --> 00:40:36,760 key role in that too, because Hegel's hermetic philosophy talks about everything sort of 510 00:40:37,079 --> 00:40:42,079 gradually converging into pure spirit, which is the idea of transcending physicality and bodily 511 00:40:42,119 --> 00:40:45,159 limitations. My books you can get those that Jays Analysis signed copies. If 512 00:40:45,519 --> 00:40:50,440 you find today's topics interesting, there's my philosophy book deals with that, and 513 00:40:50,480 --> 00:40:53,679 then follow David Patrick Carey over on Twitter and on YouTube. 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