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You're listening to KFI AM six forty
on demand. D Welcome to the Jesus

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Christ Show. Good morning. My
problem is my family and the Bible.

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Okay and not a good start.
Weird, but hello, yeah, I'm

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here. Okay, this may sound
weird that our whole family was raised in

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Catholicism back in the days and then
life happened and I don't read the Bible.

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I try to run my life with
what I believe in my heart and

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according I believe that I'm taking in
the principles. But most of my family

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are what people call the thumpers.
They say everything literally, and I can't

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talk to anymore because they just push
it in my face instead of like practicing

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what I think they're reading. I
don't believe they practice it, and so

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I can't communicate, and I feel
like I'm wrong or they're right, or

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and I'm confused. I'm confused.
Well, it's not necessarily either, or

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it could be both, and you
can learn something and so can they.

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Wouldn't you agree? Sure, it
doesn't have to be you're wrong or or

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they are wrong. It's not about
that necessarily. Maybe maybe there's some learning

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that can be done on both sides, because you know it, people often

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just get to into that mindset that
that they're wrong or you're wrong. And

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I would say that you have every
right to be left alone and to not

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have them cram it down your throat, because you know what happens when people

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cram things down your throat, Well
you don't listen. Well you're throw them

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back up, probably right, you
know. And it's not fair, and

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it's it's there's nothing in scripture that
says, you know, take this book

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and see if you can feed it
to somebody in thirty seconds. It's it's

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not fair. But also they're not
here to defend themselves. So we'll just

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look at you if we put candy
and just look at ways that you can

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deal with this. I prefer the
direct, honest rap. You know,

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if always do that, just say
hey, listen, I know that you

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think you're trying to do something good
for me, but really it's off putting.

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It just bothers me. It seems
it seems hoity and above, and

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you make me feel bad about myself
and I don't think that that's that's productive.

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And you make me question things,
but not in a good way.

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You might make me question wanting to
talk to you or be around you,

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and really if you want to have
an open discussion to talk about things.

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There might be times where it's appropriate
and where I would welcome it, but

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not every day. Sometimes I just
miss you guys, or want to see

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you or want to talk with you, or want to hang out. And

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about starting at the beginning, and
how people don't do that when they share

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their faith. They just want to
kind of cram it down your throat rather

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than just saying, hey, listen, this is some experiences I've had,

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or this is why I have gone
down the path that I have, or

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why I'm no longer a practicing Catholic, or whatever their change may be.

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I like the way you put it
that life does happen and people change,

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but it's not fair. You have
every right to say this is not what

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I'm interested in or what I want
to hear about. Having said that,

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I will because you brought it up. I will say that I'm always concerned

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about people who because both sides are
a little extreme. You've got somebody who

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seems like they're not living it,
but they're just cramming it down other people's

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throats, as you put it,
and say that they're not really living it,

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they're just talking about it. And
then on the other hand, you

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have somebody like yourself, you described
that you, well, I believe that

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I'm kind of living these tenets or
these beliefs, and that concerns me as

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well. I recently had a conversation
d with someone who was saying, well,

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I'm a good person, and isn't
that all that matters is if you're

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a good person and you live this
way, And I said, no,

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it really isn't. That's a part
of it, but it's not the whole

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thing. And they were having a
hard time understanding that. Nike plain to

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them that, for instance, in
a marriage all good in all good marriages,

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there's not infidelity. Right, So
if you're gonna have a if if

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you're gonna have a good marriage,
it can't be sleeping around as well,

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Right, that's not going to produce
a good marriage. However, just because

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you're not sleeping around doesn't mean you
have a good marriage, right, that's

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true. Okay, So okay,
So my point here is that just because

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you're living a good life doesn't mean
that you're right with God or that you're

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under you know, you're understanding or
taking in the truths of God or what

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God will have you do, just
because you're not sinning. Uh, it

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takes more to So the absence of
doing bad doesn't mean that you're good.

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It just means you're not doing those
things. For first Secondly, there's other

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parts of that good that are more
important, and those are the reasons for

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the laws or the reasons for what
you're doing that is called good. So

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in and the process of a law, there's the law. And I always

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use this example because people remember it
simply is the speed limit. Okay,

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it's fifty five sixty five miles per
hour on the highways. So that's the

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law, and you could say I'm
driving fifty five sixty five. But the

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spirit of the law is what's important, and that is that driving in a

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safe manner keeps people from dying or
getting hurt. So people's people not getting

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hurt is more important than the law, because that's what the law is all

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about. So it's not why you're
good or that you're being good, it's

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why you're good. It's important.
So if you're good just because well culture

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says to do it this way,
that's not really necessarily good. Because some

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cultures can be wrong. If it's
because God says to do it this way,

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and God is the creator or the
author of all creation, well then

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you need to know more about God
to understand the purpose of what you're doing

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and why it's good. So that's
why I say it's not just about being

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good, because like the marriage analogy, you can have a bad marriage and

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not be sleeping around with other people. However, you can't have a good

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marriage and be sleeping around with people
the old you know, uh, what

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they call an informal logical fallacy.
All police carry guns, but not everybody

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that carries a gun is a police. So in this particular sense, yes,

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all people who are living a life
for God should be doing good things,

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but not everybody who is doing good
things is living a life for God.

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So that's what I want you to
think about, d because you called,

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and so I want to I want
to impart you with something because you're

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the one brave enough to call and
they're not here to defend themselves. However,

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do I condone condone people Bible thumping
and cramming their faith down in your

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throat? Absolutely positively not. And
if you told me you were an happy,

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happy atheist, and you didn't want
that. I think you absolutely should

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have the right to be such.
Well, what should I do then?

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Do you feel that I should be
bridging the gap to reconnect with them,

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because that's what I should be doing, even though when they talk to me

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I feel that it's evil coming at
me. Well, if you genuinely miss

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them, I think you can call
them and say, you know what,

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I genuinely miss you. I miss
I miss this. I miss when you

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tell jokes. I miss when we
would bake together. I miss when we

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would talk about books that we read
that weren't the Bible. I missed that

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when we talked about movies we watched. I miss the person I grew up

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with. Uh And I just wanted
you to know the reason why I'm missing

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that, the reason why I've sacrificed
that in my life, because every time

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we get together it's about X,
Y and Z, and I can't build

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a relationship with that. That's not
a relationship builder. Do you think that

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I sat around the fire with the
twelve and only talked about the Bible all

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the time. No, that's just
not the way things work. And in

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this particular case, the best thing
to do is to be very honest with

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them and say, I know this
may come across as hurtful, and it's

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not that I am I'm not curious, and it's not that I don't want

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to grow, but the way you're
doing it to me, it offends me

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and it makes me not want to
see you. And if you tell me

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that that's the way it's going to
be, then I respect that and I'll

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go on my merry way. But
I do miss you and I do miss

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us having normal interaction and you know
those things, and just explain that to

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them and if if they listen,
they listen, and hopefully you know,

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God will plant that seed in their
heart will grow, and if they choose

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to reject it, then you move
on. Okay, you very much,

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Well, thank you for calling D
very brave of you and I and I

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always like when when someone calls who's
uh, you know, maybe being mistreated

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by Christians or the church. It
doesn't The fact that you find this to

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be a safe enough place uh to
bring your concerns really pleases me. And

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it doesn't mean that I'm always going
to agree with you. Doesn't mean that

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in your eyes I will will always
treat you nicely. Some people don't see

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tough love or a firm response as
nice, and I don't. I don't

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understand that. But the fact that
you called d pleases me, and that

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you're very brave and stand your ground
and truth will out on both sides.

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Frank, welcome to the Jesus Christia. Hi Jesus. Thank you for your

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show and I appreciate the enjoy especially
all your analogies. Oh, thank you.

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Well, you know what they're like. Yes, analogies are like I

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got another one for you, Frank, what if there were no hypothetical questions?

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Anyway? My question is something I
have kind of a problem with.

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I'm a believer in you, and
I believe you are who you've said you

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are. And I have a hard
time thinking that people of other religions,

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maybe especially Lady Abrahamic religions, are
not in fact praying to the same God,

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the Father God, that I pray
to. And I wondered if does

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God not here since the sincere prayer
and intention of people of other religions,

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And I have a hard time believing
these people are not saved and go to

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heaven as as many people sort of
tak kind of an ugly thought. It

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seems awkward to think that God,
that God would work in that way,

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doesn't it. Yeah, yeah,
I mean, just that's I mean,

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I have to live with my head
in my rationale of things, no matter

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what I hear or what I you
know, it's hard to believe that.

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I mean, there's so many good, good people, wonderful people, maybe

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people better than someone. Some people
will receive or savor received Jesus crisis their

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savior. Okay, this is difficult
for me to to rationalize, you know.

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Okay, so let's ask ourselves those
questions and think about the possible responses.

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And there's the sincerity, the human
touch on things and getting wrapped up

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in the humanity of something is good. I mean, you're human. That's

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the purpose of it is to think
humanly about the way you interact with the

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world and the way the world interacts
with you and to you. It's legitimate

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and fair to have differing opinions and
thoughts out there. However, if you're

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a math teacher, you wouldn't allow
that same premise. You wouldn't say,

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well, whatever you think two plus
two equals is fine. If you were

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a chemist, you wouldn't do that. A scientist, you wouldn't do that.

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A baker, you wouldn't do that. Well, one cup, one

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tablespoon. You know they both have
flour in it. No, the recipe

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comes out completely different, as does
the equation, as does the chemical compound,

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as does all of these things.
That's just the way life works.

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In truth, the emotional aspect of
it is when you think, really,

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what comes down to it is if
you think that way, it's you're not

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putting enough importance on the absolute nature
of God. You're making God kind of

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chameleon like. Well, God can
look the other way on this. Well,

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that's not up to Frank, that's
up to God. Right, So

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hold on tight. We got to
take a quick break, but I want

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you to hang on, Frank,
because I want to explain some more things

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in just a moment as to why
that's different and why differing views may have

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problems, and where that lands,
and why that's not just an ugly part

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of God we've been talking with Frank. Frank, your question essentially is,

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you know, does God respect all
religions? And I know you mentioned the

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Abrahammick belief systems, but ultimately it's
very human to go you know what,

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God should be fair and kind of
give somebody a pass here, give somebody

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a pass there. But if you
read through scripture, the whole problem lie

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lays in the fact that everybody wanted
to pass all the time, and the

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people of Israel wanted to pass,
and there was always well, can't we

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just do this? Can't we just
do that? There has to be a

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right way. There has to be
otherwise you can't. If there's no right

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way, then you can't do anything
wrong. And if you can't do anything

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wrong that there's no morality. There's
no otness, there's no ethos, there's

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no mora's, there's no there's none
of that because there's no implied should do

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or implied should not do? Right. You kind of need that in life.

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I think I do. But I
think there are people and other religions

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who are extremely moral and have,
you know, very even strict moral codes,

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and are very good people, and
they're not contrary to even the ways

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I act like a good Christian.
Okay, should be Let's take it off

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of good person because person is so
ambiguous. It's really well, that means

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you don't murder. Let's take it
off that and say a good soldier.

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Now, if you said somebody was
being a good soldier, that would imply

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specific understandings and no longer get out
of the ambiguity of oh, well,

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they're a good person, because nobody
wants to judge what a good person is.

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That's where the problem lies. That's
where your humanity comes in. Frank,

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you don't want to judge another person
for being human. But God can.

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And so if I say soldier,
if I put one modifier, or

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a good cook or a good chef, and all those those those things could

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be subjective. If you say good
baker, not really subjective because bakery is

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more science based in the fact that
it's it's very measurement focused, in chemistry

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focused. But if you go through
these things and you say, oh,

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they're good this or get it.
Once you add a modifier, you feel

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it's okay to define whether they're good
at it or not. They're a good

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mechanic, they're a good driver.
But when you say good person is where

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you get oh, I don't feel
I don't feel okay about defining that,

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but God can. God can say
it's you're not a good person because you

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don't murder someone. There's more to
it than that God is the author of

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those rules to begin with, so
God can say when they're applied properly or

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not. Now you get into the
different faiths, Yes, it seems very

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awkward and rude as a human being
to go there wrong. But you brought

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up the word sincere a couple of
times, and and you can be sincere

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and be sincerely wrong. And so
that applies to many things, including religion.

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And it's not about it's not about
the belief. It's about what you

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reject. And if you're rejecting God
on God's rules, God's wants, God's

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demands, then you're wrong. So
it's not about while Christians are better than

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Muslims, or Muslims are better than
Jews, it's not about that. That's

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a human desire to want to say
my club's better than yours. You separate

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the club factor. It's not about
that. It's God saying this is how

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you get in my house. Now, if that's like me saying that it's

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weird that when you go to your
house, Frank, that people have to

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take their shoes off, that's like
saying, well, that's wrong. Why

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would no, it's Frank's house.
If you want your visitors take their shoes

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off. That's right in your house. Correct, correct, Because whether it's

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you know, some silly reason,
maybe you've got white carpet. I've never

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understood white people get white carpet and
then nobody's allowed to walk on it.

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But let's say you have white carpet, Frank, and you don't want anybody

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walking with their soiled feet on it. You say, you take your shoes

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off. That's your rule. Now
you may not feel comfortable telling everybody that

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that's wrong, but when it comes
to your house and who gets in your

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house, that's okay. And I'm
saying, when it comes to my house,

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which is Heaven, there's one way
in. That's the understand who I

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am. That's important. Now you
people say, oh, so you could

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be a murder and do whatever,
and all you got to understand is Jesus

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is God. No, because if
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not going to be out murdering.
So people of other religions who have indeed

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heard your name and know about you
and reject it and reject it are in

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fact not safe. And that's the
that's the story for them. Well,

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let me put it to you this
way. If if there's a grocery store

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at the end of main Street and
you tell them there's a grocery store at

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the end of main street and they
reject that, will they ever get to

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the grocery store at the end of
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That is not about It's that people
keep wanting to put the names in the

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faces of these religions so that it
pulls on your heartstrings. You go,

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these are people. Of course,
there are many cults out there, and

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I'm not talking about the mainstream religion. I'm talking about many factions and cults

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filled with good people, but they're
horrible, horrible belief systems that are damaging

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to those individuals. And that's like, do you want a sincere doctor or

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do you want an educated and a
doctor who's efficient. I mean, well,

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I really really thought I could do
brain surgery. I really believed it.

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I really believed it. That's not
what you want. And so it's

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not just about those things. And
I know it sounds nasty because now because

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people think, well, now it's
Frank saying that his religion's right. No

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truth is truth is truth. When
you say two plus two equals four,

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that's not oh, Frank says his
math is right. No, that's two

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plus two equals four. Okay,
So here we have I believe, accept

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and believe everything you're saying, and
when they get go, I believe in

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you. Now for me personally,
I don't seem to have any particular you

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know, impetus to go out and
evangelize. I feel that if people have

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heard your name and God knows you're
you're you're everywhere and in news and in

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churches and schools and everywhere, I
don't I don't feel the need to go

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out and everybody I meet say,
listen, you know I'm a Christian and

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this is this is it and you
should be and you know. So I

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don't know how to how to deal
with that. You know, well,

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Frank, let me tell you something. You drive up in a beautiful car.

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What's the first thing? And another
guy says, hey, wow,

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that's beautiful. Where'd you get it? How fast is it? Wants to

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know about it immediately. If you
lose weight, you come into work losing

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thirty pounds, what's first thing?
Someone says, Oh, my goodness,

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how'd you do it? Someone who
people know your life, they exactly and

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It doesn't mean that you shouldn't share
it. It means that sometimes I hound

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Christians for being so darn lazy because
they prefer to talk about it rather than

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do it in a way that inspires
other people to ask questions. One Peter

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three fifteen says, to sanctify Jesus's
Lord in your heart, be ready to

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give a defense, to give an
answer to those who ask about the hope

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that lies within you, with meekness
and reverence. Now, now that is

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such a beautiful synopsis of the whole
thing. First, it's about God.

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God's got to be first in your
life individually. Second, live in a

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way that people want to ask you
about who you are and why you are

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the way you are, and be
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they ask, and always do it
in meekness and reverence. So being kind

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and respectful. And when Christians we
heard calls earlier would get people that are

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being mean spirited or saying, well, this is the truth. So I

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got to pound it. Could you
imagine if a teacher did that, the

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kid would reject it. Yeah,
So it's a matter of finding a balanced

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way, Frank, to express these
things. But I guarantee. People desire

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to know truth. They do.
Everyone does. And if they see you

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reacting to something truly, because remember, it's not what people say, it's

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not how they act, it's how
they react to something that really shows you

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the character of who they are.
And because they're taking off guard and its

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spur the moment and they're reacting.
And and so when they see you react

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painful things or through things in your
life or whatever you're going through, and

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you react to a certain way,
they want to know, how can you

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How can you deal with that that
way? Or such great loss or pain?

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They will ask. You are a
walking marketing machine for your faith if

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you live it properly. If you
don't, then you've got to talk about

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it like those like an infomercial.
But wait, there's more, and it's

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licens and dices and and everything else. And they keep adding more information because

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they can't live live up to it, and that demonstrative kind of execution of

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your life they can't do. So
they talk about it for thirty minutes until

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somebody goes and buys it. The
at the phone number, and just what

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you're talking about now, I've been
picturing some friends of mine who I admire

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very much for Christians, you know, and that's exactly leave the picture.

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They're just great people, the wonderful
people. They don't come on strong about

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it, you know, and their
their lives are wonderful and I admire them.

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And there that's it. There the
advertisements for you. Yeah, no,

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nobody had to market uh my my
birth. There was no marketing.

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There was no Twitter. Nobody was
blogging about me when I was born,

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and people still came from far away
just to see the birth. There was

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no there was no. Yeah,
yes, not not in this form,

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absolutely so, So there's not.
Everybody assumes everything needs to be packaged and

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put a spin on it, but
really you don't need to market food and

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water. You don't. People need
to eat, they need to drink.

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They will, they will seek it
out. Animals seek out water. They

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know, they move their entire herd
to follow where the water goes. They

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will go. They will follow.
Truth. It's when you start to package

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it too much or put a spin
on it that you make people think,

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oh, you know, what's the
hook, what's the catch? And then

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it becomes a problem. Frank,
what a wonderful, wonderful call, and

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what an amazing and gentle spirit you
have and I'm happy to have talked with

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you. Joanna. Welcome to the
Jesus Christ Show. Good morning, I'm

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sorry, good hello, Jesus.
I have a question. As an Episcopalian.

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We just started well about two months
ago. Our bishop added a Spanish

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Mass actually too, because we're growing, it's growing so fast. We actually

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have people who sit into vestry.
I'm taking if those people come, I'm

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taking my money and going elsewhere.
What do I say and what can I

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do? I mean, how can
I be loving those people? Are they

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referring to people that speak Spanish?
Spanish? Yes, and hey, I

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go so that I can improve my
Spanish. It's a little rusty, but

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so that's why I go. And
because he's so on fire for the Lord

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that it's it's a blessing to go. So what can I say to those

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who object? You get people who
are who feel that the church having services,

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they have English services as well.
Yeah, so we have three,

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Okay, So this is just a
few services that they're doing as a as

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an outreach to the Hispanic community.
Yeah. Because where I came from,

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in San Jose, California, that's
where the biggest growth is our lady,

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while Louve Parish has over five thousand
members. Well, you know, it's

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it seems uh, it seems a
little silly. There's what do I say

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to somebody who's who's has racial discomfort. Yeah, I guess that's the best

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way to put it. Well,
tip your hat and let them go their

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way. You know what's funny is
Joanna, that you can find churches that

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have electric instrument services and then they
have just organ services. There are some

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that have acoustic services and they will
tell you well, this is for to

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try and get some of the younger
people more interested, or they have younger

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topics, or maybe a younger priest
leading, or a younger bishop leading,

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or someone who is the pastor overseeing
might be. You know, they have

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youth groups, they have all kinds
of different outreaches. And there are many

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churches throughout the country that teach and
preach in different languages throughout the day,

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whether it be Korean or what have
you, or Spanish to super serve their

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community because of the makeup of the
community. That may offend some. That

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may offend some, and it's their
right to be offended. However, really

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it's not a very loving attitude.
If to go into it saying, well,

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if they change the entire church service, you know, all services to

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Spanish, well, then you get
up and you go to one that's English

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because it's no the church. Well, because the church is now saying that

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we don't serve you English speakers,
and and that I could see would be

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upsetting. But even in radio,
you can find radio that is kind of

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Spanglish, kind of half Spanish,
half English. You can find English speaking

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radio, you can find Spanish radio, you can find Korean radio. You

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can find all kinds of different language
radio in the United States, as it

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pertains to a certain geographic area.
And although the language of the United States

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most certainly is English, to the
chagrin of some, that doesn't mean that

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you can't super serve certain parts of
your your community. There are schools that

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teach primarily in French in the United
States. That's because that's the community that

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they're trying to serve. So it's
really based on a form of bigotry.

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It's just somebody wanting to get upset. If it's really infringing on you and

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it's no longer serving you at the
church, then get up and go but

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if not, enjoy the English services
and let other people enjoy it in Spanish.

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