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Get some facts and come back and
Seebee. Get some facts and come back

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and Seebee. Don't throw out salaries
or other things. Get some facts and

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come back and Seebee. You can't
handle the true I told our players you

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need a bit more like a dog. We don't need a bunch of cats

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in here. Looking in the mirror, I look good. I got my

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extra bands on, I got my
other shoes. Be a doll. We

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don't need no mows. We don't
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Were not at the time. Why
you're not at the time, we

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weren't good. There's no sense of
asking me things about the game. I'm

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telling you. We laid an egg. So I'm not gonna break it down

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for you. He sucks. He
sucked. He laid an egg. That's

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all I have to say. Guys, I'm sorry. I'm not gonna break

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it down for you. Nothing went
well for us. It's on us.

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We have to figure it out,
and we went dab figured. It's been

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a pretty good show so far.
Here this morning, on this Monday,

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July first. Glad you've joined us
and spent part of your morning whatever is

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you may be headed here on axes
and bros. Across the great state of

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Michigan. Trent Bally is our producer. I'm Matt Sheppard. We're with you

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Monday through Friday, six until nine. The Meyer hotline is eight sixty six

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eight three, eight forty eight forty
three. You can text the program Sports

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Radio to twenty one thousand as well. Tiger's a winner yesterday seven to six

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over the Angels there in Minnesota,
starting a series tomorrow. Pistons have reportedly

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hired Cabs head coach former Caves head
coach JB. Bickerstaff five year deal,

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four years guaranteed. Kate Cunningham reportedly
set to sign a five year, two

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hundred and twenty six million dollar extension. And we'll talk about those two topics

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and more with Deshaun Tate at the
bottom of the hour. Cam Smith wins

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the Rocket Mortgage Classic for the second
time in his career. Or did ak

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Sha Batilla lose it. I'm sure
he lost it, considering he missed the

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putt that would have sent it to
a playoff. But we would have had

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more golf at Detroit Golf Club in
the sixth annual Rock A Mortgage Classic yesterday

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if ak Sha Batilla didn't miss a
four foot par pot that broke left to

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right slightly, but he did miss
it along the right edge, and thus

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cam Smith won for the second time
in his career. He carted at two

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hundred seventy on Sunday Batia in case
you missed it, afterwards said look,

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so it's a little nerves. Yeah, he's human. He had an early

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text and you can or an early
tweet. I should say, you can

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follow me on Twitter at Chef Matt, but you can also follow us on

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the program x'es and bros. And
when we've got a couple of poll questions

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for you, was the pistons hiring
of JB. Bickerstaff a good one?

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Yes? No, it won't matter
until they get good players or better players.

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And regarding Patrick Kaine, did you
want to re sign Kin? Did

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you want to sign Steven Stamkos or
both? I get the sense it's probably

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going to be both. But you
can vote as off the as you want

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on Twitter at exus and bros.
And we'll give you the results in the

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eight o'clock hour tomorrow. We will
do that from our Friday poll question here

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coming up in this half hour as
well, but again at the bottom of

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the hour to Shaun Tate joining us
eight thirty five to talk a little NBA.

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Somebody had sent reached out to me
on Twitter on X and said,

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enough Tigers talk. They're not worthy
of the discussion that was early on in

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the six o'clock hour. I strongly
disagree with that. Now, do I

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have a tendency to go a little
bit longer on baseball? Probably? You

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know. I mean, look,
I could sit here and talk about how

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Baltimore set a franchise record sixty flipping
home runs in the month of June and

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the Tigers only had a little bit
more than seventy on the season. I

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could do that. I could have
gone there. I chose not to go

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there. I love baseball discussion.
I could go. Hey. Bryce Harper

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in twenty twenty one was the MVP. He hit three ten, thirty five

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bombs, eighty four runs driven in, and had a war of almost six.

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While here in Judge through June he's
hitting three thirteen with thirty one homers,

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eighty two RBIs and a war of
almost six. Baseball is front and

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center, man, I mean,
unless you want to talk about the Olympic

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trials from last night. I mean, I suppose you could do that.

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Baseball's front and center. I'm going
to talk baseball because it's worthy of it,

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and because it's We're in the emotionally
transportational business. What do you get

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emotional about. It's emotional when it
comes to Patrick Kine signing. Absolutely,

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it's emotional. With JB. Bickerstaff
and Kate Cunningham agreed to long term contracts

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with the Pistons. Cunningham an extension. Bickerstaff look four years. Five year

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contract in today's NBA can be considered
long term. I think it's emotional when

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the Tigers win but almost loose.
Those those are important to fans. I

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am not going to apologize or stop
talking baseball now. Do I have a

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tendency to go a little bit longer
than I probably should? Yes? Self

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evaluation is really important in life,
folks. I say that to my kids

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all the time. I have to
own it too. I get it.

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Sometimes I go a little bit longer
than I should. But when we have

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a couple of quick segments, I
try to get as much in that I'm

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thinking about as I possibly can.
So I am going to continue to talk

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about the Tigers when it's appropriate.
But we did move on we did talk

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about JB. Bickerstaff being the new
head coach of the Pistons Cape Cunningham and

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the extension that he will soon sign. And we did talk about Patrick Kine

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and the Red Wings with Tied Coulfin
of the Detroit News at seven thirty five.

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In case you missed any of that, that'll be on our podcast coming

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up a little bit later on on
our social media channels. I would say

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this, and the NFL is going
to start kicking in at some point this

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month, if it hasn't already for
a lot of people. CBS Sports came

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out with the top twenty five NFL
players twenty five and under for twenty twenty

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four. Anytime I see something like
this, I'm sure I'm a lot like

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you. Immediately you gravitate toward our
team. How many Lions are on there?

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One fifth of this team, according
to this website, one fifth are

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made up of Detroit Lions. You
want to reason for hope. I think

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that's what we do in sports.
There's a few key words we do or

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we associate with sports. As a
personal fan, you want trust in your

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person making the decisions. So you
want to trust your general manager and your

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head coach, right, I mean
eventually certain sports, your quarterback, you

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want to trust your quarterback, I
mean, but trust is a big word.

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It's an important word, and it's
something that every fan base wants out

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of the leaders of their respective franchises. Okay, And besides trust, you

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would like future, right, the
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in the future. Who are they? How many are they are there?

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And how much further in the future
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one fifth And I know it's just
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I think you feel it too.
When you're looking at players who are twenty

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five years or younger. Jamiir Gibbs
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Sam Laporta is one of those.
He's twenty three. Aiden Hutchinson is

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one of those. He's twenty four. There's three of the five and three

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of the top twenty five. They
may be at the lower end and that's

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okay, but they are believed to
be key guys, long term solutions for

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a while. Aman Rossain Brown is
another. He's twenty four. And of

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course you already know this by now. Penne seoul Is twenty three and he's

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one. Those are the five players
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as among the top twenty five players
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Sewell, they have ranked fourth.
I was gonna say, Sewell, you

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could argue is the best tackle in
all of football without a doubt as a

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twenty three year old. Yeah.
I don't care what ag is. But

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if I told you justin Jefferson,
Micah Parsons, and Jamar Chase were the

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only players who are twenty five years
or younger that this website has ranked ahead

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of Penny Seowoel, You'd say I
can live with that because those three guys

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are all dogs. I mean,
those guys are unbelievable players. I love

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it because I'm a big offensive line
guy. And Penny Sewell, like you

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said, not just the best tackle
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the best tackle in football and will
continue to show that. We'll talk a

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little more NFL on the other side
quick Break ten after the hour at the

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bottom of the hour to Sean Tate
will join us to talk NBA, specifically

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Pistons with Kate Kunneingham and JB.
Bickerstaff on Exus and Bros. After this

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old or younger around the NFL,
and how the Lions have five of them.

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I wouldn't ask you to pick the
one player who's most indisposable, because

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you could make a case for each
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He's gotten better each of the last
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right, he's a better weapon.
That position is so much more important than

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people originally give it credit for.
People are starting to recognize it a little

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bit more now. Right, Penney
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It's a passing league. You gotta
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The top twenty tight ends, some
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world, the top tight ends in
football. Sam Laporta is rated by many

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as a top five tight end.
Already walked in and did that, shep

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walked right in? Top five is
production? Did you know that he had

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one hundred and twenty targets a year
ago? I mean, eighty six rocks

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is unbelievable, right, and he's
scoring a touchdown every eight and a half

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catch. But for him to have
one hundred and twenty targets, that to

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me is mind blown. Like Mark
Andrews is really good for Baltimore, right,

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sixty one targets, Travis Kelce excellent
for Kansas City, one hundred and

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twenty targets, George Kittle for San
Francisco ninety targets. That's how much confidence

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Jared Goff and the Lions had in
Sam Laporta. That's just it, shep.

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Jared Goff is no spring chicken either. I mean, he's a in

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he knows what he's doing, and
he trusts the rookie last year. Yeah,

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he wants him, He's looking for
him, man. I mean there's

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others who had more tj Hockinson had
one hundred and twenty seven. David and

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Joko had a few more, but
overall, one hundred and twenty targets.

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And it's not like he's the only
option, the only weapon the Lions had.

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You've got Saint Brown, You've got
Reynolds, You've got Williams, You've

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got Gibbs. Now you'll have Raymond. There's a way to spread that wealth

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a little bit. Here's what a
website said about Sam Laporta as the fourth

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ranked the fourth ranked tight end in
the National Football League. He's put together

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one of the best receiving seasons we've
ever seen from a rookie tight end,

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emerging as one of Jared Goff's top
targets and a perfect compliment to Saint Brown

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as the Lions repeatedly found ways for
them to access the middle of the field.

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He's a high end athlete who can
both stretch the field and create with

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the ball in his hands. He
found his way into the perfect system with

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an offensive coordinator who will put him
in a position to succeed. He might

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not cross the goal line ten times
again, but he'll make a significant impact.

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And I do think you got to
throw in his durability and his toughness

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and, for lack of a better
term, grit. He was banged up

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in the playoffs, scored a touchdown
in the home game against the Rams.

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I mean he straps him up and
goes out there and gives it his best

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no matter what. Amen. Here's
the other thing. At some point,

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opposing defenses were taking notice. You
don't surprise teams over a seventeen games schedule

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and say, you know that guy
came up. We didn't see that coming.

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You don't do that. You game
plan for that. Now, there's

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a part of me that says,
wait a minute. Now when you hear

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the writing of he had the perfect
system with an offensive coordinator who will put

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him in a position to succeed.
Listen, everybody's like that. You don't

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think Kansas City? Do you not
think Kansas City is a really good system

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for Travis Kelcey or New England.
Put Rob Gronkowski in the right type of

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system. Come on, give me
a break. Absolutely, it was.

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Now again, I'm not trying to
take a shot at the people who write

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this. I'm just saying, let's
not diminish what he accomplished based on the

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offensive coordinator and the quote unquote system. I don't want people feeling like,

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wow, he's a system player.
That's not cool. That's not fair at

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all, because, as you said, very started fourteen to the seventeen games

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highly productive. We all know that
with the targets, the number of catches

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and the touchdowns and so on and
so forth. I think he's the real

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deal. And look, I'm not
afraid to admit I was wrong. Michael

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Mayer was right there the tight end
out of Notre Dame. I'm like,

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line' are gonna get Michael Mahyer,
Holy crap? And they take Sam Laporta.

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And I thought I wasn't mad at
the pick by any stretch, but

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I was a little surprised considering the
options. This website has the top tight

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ends. They have George Kittle number
one, over a thousand yards receiving,

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I get it. Travis Kelcey number
two. By the way, he had

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half as many touchdowns as Sam Laporta, and Mark Andrews at number three.

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This is based off what you've done
in your career. I like Mark Andrews.

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I think he's a hell of a
player. Mark Andrews had forty five

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catches to Sam Laporta's eighty six.
Mark Andrews had five hundred and forty four

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receiving yards to Sam Laporta's eight hundred
and ninety. Mark Andrews had six touchdowns

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to Sam Laporta's ten. Now,
granted, could he be underrated, Sure,

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he's a hell of a block or
two. By the way, he's

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exceeded fifty yards receiving per game in
five straight seasons. I give him a

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ton of credit. Don't tell me
he's better than Sam Laporta, or don't

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let me rephrase that. Don't tell
me he had a better year than Sam

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Laporta. Laporta puts together another season
like he just had, he won't just

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surpass Mark Andrews, He'll surpass Kelsey
and Kittle Chef. I find this super

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interesting. Look at the four tight
ends from the National or the NFC and

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AFC Championship games. I mean,
that's arguably the four top four tight ends

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in the whole league. It shows
you try to shows you how important that

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position is, now, doesn't it? Oh yeah, yeah for sure.

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And you hear the rhetoric about system
quarterback. I mean, we can't start

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talking system tight end. Now,
look at those guys. Yeah right,

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I mean it's it's fun to watch. I've always I've always really appreciated the

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position I do. I like the
position a lot. I think it's vital

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for a team's success, and I'm
glad they're finally getting some recognition. When

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about free agency, the Pistons and specifically

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cad Cunningham. Deshaun and we appreciate
the time very much. Happy early holiday

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to you and your family. Kate
Cunningham reportedly set to sign a five year,

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two hundred and twenty six million dollar
extension. Why do you think that's

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so important for the Pistons? Number
one? And what do you think it

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says about him and the Pistons relationship
number two, great relationship for sure.

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I'm kind of moving backwards here and
thank you again for having me. But

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obviously there's got to be some sort
of a great relationship there. And I

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don't know, I mean it kind
of in terms of Kate. Let's just

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be honest about something here for a
second. The vibe, the energy,

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and the feel is that this is
essentially and this is no disrespect to Kate,

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although it may sound like it a
little bit, but he's like he's

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like the ugliest pretty girl at the
party, you know what I mean.

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It's like, you gotta pay somebody. Somebody's got to be the guy.

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Somebody's got to be the one,
like Kate. I don't know if I

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love King, I don't know.
What they're asking of Kate to do is

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necessarily is necessarily something that's going to
take them to the next level. That

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being said, is he worth two
hundred and twenty six million dollars? Many

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people will probably say no, but
because you got to pay somebody, and

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he's a face right now this franchise
and he's going to be the guy.

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But it is a it's certainly a
boatload of money, uh into with today's

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market, to be honest with you, which is the elephant in the room

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that sticks out like a sore thumb? Uh there, you know, obviously

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looking at the way today's landscape is
and paying guys and so forth. I

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mean, one thing you can't disagree
with is that Kate is not the reason

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why things look the way that they
did last year. That's for sure.

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Agreed to one hundred percent. You
know. I think the money is one

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thing. But you want to win. You want to be around a winning

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culture that Pistons obviously don't have that. So it's tough to say no to

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the money. But if you want
to win and you don't feel like your

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organization is going to win, you
at least leave your options open. So

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I think it does say something about
him, his character, perhaps the relationship

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he has with the Pistons, and
perhaps and this might be a reach to

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Sean, but perhaps the bringing in
of JB. Bickerstaff. I think with

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the proven track record that he has
with developing younger players, that bodes well.

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Why do you like or dislike the
hiring of JB. Bickerstaff as their

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new head coach? Well, I
mean it gives more feel of you know,

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like it, not necessarily love it. You know, if we're talking

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about for a short term, then
I think it's great. Long term,

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I don't love the idea. It
kind of reminds me of how I feel

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about a guy that just got picked
the other night in Dalton, Connects from

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Tennessee. Kind of feels like that, like high floor, you know,

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low ceiling kind of thing. I
don't think this is something that we're gonna

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be talking about, all right,
is year eight for JB or anything like

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that, you know, but the
development of the players, like you just

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mentioned, in addition to the fact
that Cleveland was one of the not only

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better defensive teams in the NBA last
year, but certainly one of the better

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teams in the East. They were
competing for a second seed late into the

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season. Not just to mention that, but I mean, listen, it's

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not bad. It's the most ideal
he personally, would I rather have Jay

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Wright maybe a name that hasn't been
brought up very often for whatever reason.

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But I mean, listen, you
gotta start somewhere. My concern with this

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team besides the shooting, and we
could have a whole laundry list of things

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that we could discuss, But I
sometimes think that they try to get guys

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that fit the culture more importantly than
guys that fit together on the floor.

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And I love the culture. San
Antonio has its on Miami has its,

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so Detroit has its own. I
don't think it's a terrible idea to have.

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I'm just not in love with grouping
a bunch of guys and it feels

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like the graveyard of the NBA the
MotorCity does that has to change when you

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start talking about Marvin Bagley's and James
Wiseman. That isn't something that's gonna push

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guys over the top. But we
have to find somewhere to get started,

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and obviously taking Holling a number five
is a start. Yeah, I'm with

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you on all that. I find
it interesting what you originally said about JB.

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Bickers deaf John Blair Bickers death,
specifically that you know you don't necessarily

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love it that he's the guy for
the short term, not necessarily the long

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term. How do we know that
when he really hasn't been given that much

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of an opportunity. I mean Cleveland, he takes over for John Bline,

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He turns a team that went twenty
two and fifty and he takes him to

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forty four wins, then fifty one
wins and forty eight wins. Why do

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we not think that he deserves the
opportunity to be a long term answer when

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we've seen plenty of coaches in the
past not get that chance Dan Campbell Lions

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for example, and then make the
most of it when people, most of

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them thought he was a short bridge. I think part of it is because

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of the an experience, not saying
a zero experience, because he had a

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job obviously before Cleveland, but because
because we have it, he doesn't have

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that long history of a resume,
right right, you know, would you

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rather have? And maybe someone that
I'm kind of grouping in comparing with him,

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a guy who obviously did very good
this past year in Orlando was Jamal

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Mosley. Right, we probably could
have said the same thing, but because

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of what he was able to do
in the playoffs and even Cleveland, well,

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I think when went further than they
did or just about as far,

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but he left a different kind of
impression on people, and I think that

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was a huge part by why I
feel the way that I feel, and

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it just feels like the same guys
in a coaching caresel over and over,

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going around and a round between Bago
and actings, and and and and and

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and bicker staff and so you know, just from that standpoint. Now,

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granted, nobody has the experience until
somebody does what gives you the experience.

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Nobody has success until someone gives you
that opportunity to have success. And here

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it is another opportunity. But make
no mistake about it, there's a there's

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a list of guys that is under
him that were not as considerable for the

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job in my opinion, as he
was. But you know, again,

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it's not an overwhelming great feeling.
It's like, well, here we go

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again. Let's just try it out, and let's just I guess well the

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dice and see what happens if we're
you know whatever, three hundred and sixty

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five times two or three years down
the line from now, two three years

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we're talking about twenty twenty six and
twenty seven from now. Will anybody be

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ridiculously surprised that things maybe didn't work
out? Probably not. Now we're keeping

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our fingers toes, eyes and teeth
and everything else crossed that it does,

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of course, But would anybody be
surprised, Probably not. If we're in

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the same situation again, I'm not
just gonna surprise anybody. Yeah, Deshaun

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Tate joining us here on Ex's and
Bros. Fauma x at Tate's take on

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hoops. What you just said there
really piques my interest. And as soon

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as you said it, here we
go again. We got the same guys.

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And obviously that's a different way of
saying retreads. I think of Okay,

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well, JJ Reddick gets hired by
the Lakers, and people aren't necessarily

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overly thrilled with that he was their
second choice. You got Doc Rivers who

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took over in Milwaukee, and he's
been very accomplished in his career, and

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yet they didn't respond all that well
to him. I don't know if there's

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the right solution. I don't know
if there's the right thing that makes us

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go okay, yeah, I want
this guy because he's got experience, but

404
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yet he's a retread. Although I
want to try something new with fill in

405
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the blank. That's a difficult river
to navigate for general managers. I would

406
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guess it is. It definitely is. I'm not saying I got all the

407
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right answers, because if I did, i'd certainly be part of one of

408
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those decision makers, I'm sure,
instead of talking to you, which I'm

409
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so grateful to be doing, by
the way, But and you know,

410
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that is a very you know,
obviously very difficult decision that you have to

411
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make, and the concerns about this
theme with direction that we're going prior to

412
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hire having a hand coach, and
when they've got so many new pieces over

413
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there, obviously with the Alaska Assassin
changing Langdon as well, so to be

414
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able to have new energy, I
think is to start something that this team

415
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needed, and people are looking forward
to them, you know, obviously looking

416
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significantly different than they did last year. I'm probably be thinking you're fooling yourself.

417
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However, people are ready for this
team to be good again. People

418
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are ready for this team to at
least be competing, at least just contending

419
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for a playing spot. They give
you two extra opportunities at teams to be

420
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able to have a chance to play
into this thing, and they haven't been

421
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closed. And we all wish much
better than that. Obviously, like I

422
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said, there's probably no perfect guy
that's gonna go to Detroit that is to

423
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be able to fit into that space. But again, I'll throw it at

424
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you again and again. This guy
has no experience either. So it may

425
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sound like I'm contradicting myself a little
bit, but I just feel like the

426
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energy would be a little bit better
if you attempted to go after a guy

427
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like the Jay Wright. Yeah,
and I respect Jay Wright a great deal.

428
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I don't know why he would want
to put up with a headache that

429
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oftentimes come in the NBA when he's
got a pretty good gig right now a

430
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number one Amen. Yeah. And
the other thing is I do believe I

431
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do think it's interesting. I think
he's one of those coaches at the college

432
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level who could make the transition to
the NBA. It just doesn't work very

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often because of how different you have
to coach, and with my background in

434
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calling college basketball and the NBA,
I just I don't see many who fit

435
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it very well and could do well
at both. But it is an interesting

436
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thing to discuss. Before I get
to a couple of free agents, I

437
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wanted your overall take on Rona Hall
on the second, being the fifth overall

438
00:34:52.519 --> 00:34:57.000
pick. I think it was the
first early surprise of the NBA Draft.

439
00:34:57.079 --> 00:35:00.639
I can't say that it was something
that I expected, but I can't say

440
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that I necessarily dislike it either.
What is your take on the lot on

441
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the Pistons first first round point pick? Well, yeah, I mean the

442
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idea that he's checking all the boxes
and all that, the athleticism and the

443
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wings span and the potential, it
is just a potential draft. I mean,

444
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at the end of the day,
let's just be honest, if one

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of these guys didn't happen to work
out with one of these teams, then

446
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I don't think anybody's going to be
all that surprise or what have you.

447
00:35:24.639 --> 00:35:30.800
The guy, the team that got
the perfect the right guy probably just accidentally

448
00:35:30.880 --> 00:35:34.519
drafted the right guy, just fell
in their some way, somehow they rolled

449
00:35:34.519 --> 00:35:37.079
the dice, and that could be
Holland for all we know. Only thing

450
00:35:37.199 --> 00:35:40.400
taking him at five was too early
at all. I mean, you get

451
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a guy who a lot of people
were extremely high on, you know,

452
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around this time last year, expecting
to potent to be a potential number one

453
00:35:49.400 --> 00:35:52.039
pick, obviously putting the eyes on
him in a whole new situation. He's

454
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already been a professional so far in
his career at least one year, if

455
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not nothing else. So I think
that that's good from experience standpoint, but

456
00:36:00.239 --> 00:36:02.920
again, I mean got to work
on this jump shot. I think you

457
00:36:04.000 --> 00:36:07.679
to say that about probably every guy
whose name was called a few days ago.

458
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And you know, you know,
I'm not sure that it was that

459
00:36:12.480 --> 00:36:15.159
they drafted based off of need.
I know, it was really difficult to

460
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say that they drafted based off of
most available. But when you start talking

461
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about potentials, he arguably has the
most potential in this draft another light,

462
00:36:24.719 --> 00:36:30.119
not love, but it's really arguable
when you look at who else was left

463
00:36:30.159 --> 00:36:32.840
on the board, with the exception
of Maidensa, if you wanted to go

464
00:36:32.880 --> 00:36:39.079
after another big again, I guess, especially considering the fact that Isaiah Stewart

465
00:36:39.119 --> 00:36:45.519
from an injury standpoint, there really
wasn't a whole lot more left that I

466
00:36:45.519 --> 00:36:49.559
felt more comfortable saying, why would
we do this? We had this guy

467
00:36:49.599 --> 00:36:52.480
on the board instead, typical Detroit
Piston. I don't think he was terrible,

468
00:36:52.480 --> 00:36:55.000
but at the end of the day, it's just something that we're gonna

469
00:36:55.039 --> 00:36:59.239
have to wait and see. But
also for fifty nine other guys, by

470
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the way, yeah, for sure
when you see the free agency and sell

471
00:37:01.840 --> 00:37:07.159
the numbers that are being thrown around
right now, Uh, is there anything

472
00:37:07.199 --> 00:37:09.639
that has really caught your attention,
like, wow, I can't believe.

473
00:37:09.840 --> 00:37:14.480
For example, the Clippers gave James
Harden two years, seventy million dollars,

474
00:37:15.480 --> 00:37:20.159
you know, possibly four year deal
for Paul George in Philadelphia. What's caught

475
00:37:20.199 --> 00:37:24.360
your eyes in the early stage US
A free agency? Yeah, through twenty

476
00:37:24.360 --> 00:37:29.719
six for k paid Kate is what
I'm calling him now, not Trey k

477
00:37:29.920 --> 00:37:34.719
paid k I think it was interesting. What the you know, uh,

478
00:37:35.400 --> 00:37:38.199
San Antonio Spurs, did you know? I think clearly got a point where

479
00:37:38.199 --> 00:37:42.360
we're seeing, maybe not from a
money standpoint, but I think it's pretty

480
00:37:42.360 --> 00:37:45.400
evident that Chris Paul is probably going
to be one of those greats that go

481
00:37:45.480 --> 00:37:49.440
down without a ring. By adding
him and putting him in a position or

482
00:37:49.440 --> 00:37:52.440
where he can kind of teach other
guys, it feels like an extension of

483
00:37:52.480 --> 00:37:55.440
a judonas Haslam type role, although
he's going to be playing. But that

484
00:37:55.599 --> 00:37:59.679
was really interesting to me. Obviously
you got to throw Paul George in that

485
00:37:59.800 --> 00:38:04.519
mix. Says well, Klay Thompson
should be relatively soon. I would imagine

486
00:38:04.559 --> 00:38:07.880
too, But where to I don't
know. I guess maybe that I would

487
00:38:07.880 --> 00:38:15.280
imagine that probably probably would be the
Lakers or Dallas however, or Dallas excuse

488
00:38:15.320 --> 00:38:17.960
me, or Dallas. But you
got the Lakers out there, the Lakers

489
00:38:19.000 --> 00:38:21.440
trying to get everybody and get they're
trying to get me and you for crying

490
00:38:21.440 --> 00:38:24.719
out out I think to call me
prior to me coming on the air with

491
00:38:24.840 --> 00:38:30.480
you or something, you know,
seriously I mean, but obviously Paul George

492
00:38:30.559 --> 00:38:35.000
being an elephant in the room right
here, being a guy that can fill

493
00:38:35.039 --> 00:38:37.719
that need, I just I don't
think that that really takes them over time.

494
00:38:37.719 --> 00:38:39.679
We're gonna talk about them being contenders, when's you talking about those guys

495
00:38:39.679 --> 00:38:45.000
being contenders for similar relatively close to
maybe what about ten years now or something

496
00:38:45.039 --> 00:38:52.039
close to it. So overly in
belief of the Philadelphia seventy six ers by

497
00:38:52.039 --> 00:38:55.079
any stretch of the imagination, either
primarily because of the health concerns to Joe

498
00:38:55.199 --> 00:39:00.559
Embi when it matters the most.
But I'm gonna be honest, George,

499
00:39:00.559 --> 00:39:04.119
going through the sixers is not something
that I felt was nearly as realistic as

500
00:39:04.159 --> 00:39:07.400
many other people did. And if
your cap to them for being able to

501
00:39:07.480 --> 00:39:10.800
land them, but now I have
to see the results. Yeah. Lastly,

502
00:39:10.920 --> 00:39:16.599
real quick in your Wheelhouse de'onta.
Murray goes from Atlanta to New Orleans.

503
00:39:17.159 --> 00:39:21.679
Surprised boy, because I think he's
a hell of a player. Now,

504
00:39:21.800 --> 00:39:23.280
I would argue, I mean Atlanta
got an awful lot back for him,

505
00:39:23.320 --> 00:39:27.519
right. I think they got Larry
Nance Junior, they got Dyson Daniels.

506
00:39:28.119 --> 00:39:30.079
I think they got a first round
pick from either the Bucks or the

507
00:39:30.079 --> 00:39:34.239
Pelicans or something along those lines.
You would know the details better than I,

508
00:39:34.920 --> 00:39:37.719
but that surprised me a little bit. People felt like you had to

509
00:39:37.760 --> 00:39:45.320
decide between Trey Young or Murray or
why couldn't they coexist? What was your

510
00:39:45.360 --> 00:39:50.679
take on that trade? And why
couldn't they coexist? Overall? Getting a

511
00:39:50.719 --> 00:39:53.719
lot back for him that felt like
a bunch of nothing considering what they've done

512
00:39:53.760 --> 00:39:58.000
over the last few days, especially
take the recess. But I think that's

513
00:39:58.039 --> 00:40:01.960
a whole another conversation. The reality
is just that it just wasn't a good

514
00:40:02.039 --> 00:40:07.000
thing. I got two guys who
can not natural naturally play the point guard

515
00:40:07.000 --> 00:40:10.280
position. Obviously, you know,
with Murray being able to play off the

516
00:40:10.320 --> 00:40:15.400
ball a little bit. They had
conversations for quite a long time about maybe

517
00:40:15.400 --> 00:40:19.480
putting Tray off the ball in the
situations and that wasn't gonna work as well.

518
00:40:19.519 --> 00:40:21.960
And I'm not sure that you know
it'd be the smartest thing in the

519
00:40:21.960 --> 00:40:23.639
world to do that, to try
it. Maybe I don't think it's terrible,

520
00:40:23.679 --> 00:40:30.199
but it's just it's it's it's like
mixing water and oil to a degree

521
00:40:30.159 --> 00:40:34.000
in some ways. And I don't
think that there was anything out, you

522
00:40:34.039 --> 00:40:37.159
know, a personal situation like many
people made it out to seem and all

523
00:40:37.239 --> 00:40:39.760
those kind of things. But it
kind of reminds me of you know,

524
00:40:40.000 --> 00:40:43.920
last year's NBA draft. On the
time about a year ago, we were

525
00:40:43.920 --> 00:40:46.000
talking about what the number two pick
or whatever it was. I think we

526
00:40:46.079 --> 00:40:52.920
saw Brandon Miller go to Charlie conversations
about Scoot Henderson, School Inderson and LaMelo

527
00:40:52.039 --> 00:40:54.480
Ball. I just did not feel
like was going to work. Now,

528
00:40:54.519 --> 00:40:59.079
depending on what your definition of work
is, you may disagree with me,

529
00:40:59.199 --> 00:41:01.679
however, I just don't think you
can get the best. I don't think

530
00:41:01.719 --> 00:41:05.840
it was gonna be terrible, and
it wasn't terrible, but you weren't going

531
00:41:05.880 --> 00:41:08.039
to get the best that you can
get out of both of those guys on

532
00:41:08.159 --> 00:41:12.880
the same night at the same time. If you were able to do that,

533
00:41:12.880 --> 00:41:15.760
then we might be talking about something
different, but because you weren't able

534
00:41:15.800 --> 00:41:19.320
to do that in the situation that
the Atlanta Hawks are in, I think

535
00:41:19.360 --> 00:41:22.840
that's something that kind of hurt them
more than it helped. I don't think

536
00:41:22.840 --> 00:41:27.239
it was as bad as some people
made it out to scene, but it

537
00:41:27.320 --> 00:41:30.880
really wasn't as good as some people
made it out to see either. And

538
00:41:30.920 --> 00:41:35.599
it just clearly looks like you're trying
to rebuild off of a rebuild. Now

539
00:41:35.639 --> 00:41:37.559
at this point, no idea what
the front office is doing, but I

540
00:41:37.639 --> 00:41:42.119
don't love it at all, and
I don't get really good feelings about it.

541
00:41:42.159 --> 00:41:45.519
Would I be surprised and Tray was
on the train block maybe the best

542
00:41:45.559 --> 00:41:51.000
thing to ever come through those doors
since the number twenty one, besides the

543
00:41:51.039 --> 00:41:53.119
guy who's got number twenty one outside. But I guess we'll just have to

544
00:41:53.199 --> 00:41:57.159
play wait and see. It's great
stuff, DeShawn. I really enjoyed the

545
00:41:57.199 --> 00:42:00.079
conversation. I hope we can do
it again. Thanks for the insight and

546
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your success. Have a great week, buddy, Appreciate it man. Yeah

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wait, thanks for having me.
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