Get some facts and come back and Seebee. Get some facts and come back
and Seebee. Don't throw out salaries or other things. Get some facts and
come back and Seebee. You can't handle the true I told our players you
need a bit more like a dog. We don't need a bunch of cats
in here. Looking in the mirror, I look good. I got my
extra bands on, I got my other shoes. Be a doll. We
don't need no mows. We don't need no cats. We need more dolls.
Were not at the time. Why you're not at the time, we
weren't good. There's no sense of asking me things about the game. I'm
telling you. We laid an egg. So I'm not gonna break it down
for you. He sucks. He sucked. He laid an egg. That's
all I have to say. Guys, I'm sorry. I'm not gonna break
it down for you. Nothing went well for us. It's on us.
We have to figure it out, and we went dab figured. It's been
a pretty good show so far. Here this morning, on this Monday,
July first. Glad you've joined us and spent part of your morning whatever is
you may be headed here on axes and bros. Across the great state of
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Monday through Friday, six until nine. The Meyer hotline is eight sixty six
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Radio to twenty one thousand as well. Tiger's a winner yesterday seven to six
over the Angels there in Minnesota, starting a series tomorrow. Pistons have reportedly
hired Cabs head coach former Caves head coach JB. Bickerstaff five year deal,
four years guaranteed. Kate Cunningham reportedly set to sign a five year, two
hundred and twenty six million dollar extension. And we'll talk about those two topics
and more with Deshaun Tate at the bottom of the hour. Cam Smith wins
the Rocket Mortgage Classic for the second time in his career. Or did ak
Sha Batilla lose it. I'm sure he lost it, considering he missed the
putt that would have sent it to a playoff. But we would have had
more golf at Detroit Golf Club in the sixth annual Rock A Mortgage Classic yesterday
if ak Sha Batilla didn't miss a four foot par pot that broke left to
right slightly, but he did miss it along the right edge, and thus
cam Smith won for the second time in his career. He carted at two
hundred seventy on Sunday Batia in case you missed it, afterwards said look,
so it's a little nerves. Yeah, he's human. He had an early
text and you can or an early tweet. I should say, you can
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for you, was the pistons hiring of JB. Bickerstaff a good one?
Yes? No, it won't matter until they get good players or better players.
And regarding Patrick Kaine, did you want to re sign Kin? Did
you want to sign Steven Stamkos or both? I get the sense it's probably
going to be both. But you can vote as off the as you want
on Twitter at exus and bros. And we'll give you the results in the
eight o'clock hour tomorrow. We will do that from our Friday poll question here
coming up in this half hour as well, but again at the bottom of
the hour to Shaun Tate joining us eight thirty five to talk a little NBA.
Somebody had sent reached out to me on Twitter on X and said,
enough Tigers talk. They're not worthy of the discussion that was early on in
the six o'clock hour. I strongly disagree with that. Now, do I
have a tendency to go a little bit longer on baseball? Probably? You
know. I mean, look, I could sit here and talk about how
Baltimore set a franchise record sixty flipping home runs in the month of June and
the Tigers only had a little bit more than seventy on the season. I
could do that. I could have gone there. I chose not to go
there. I love baseball discussion. I could go. Hey. Bryce Harper
in twenty twenty one was the MVP. He hit three ten, thirty five
bombs, eighty four runs driven in, and had a war of almost six.
While here in Judge through June he's hitting three thirteen with thirty one homers,
eighty two RBIs and a war of almost six. Baseball is front and
center, man, I mean, unless you want to talk about the Olympic
trials from last night. I mean, I suppose you could do that.
Baseball's front and center. I'm going to talk baseball because it's worthy of it,
and because it's We're in the emotionally transportational business. What do you get
emotional about. It's emotional when it comes to Patrick Kine signing. Absolutely,
it's emotional. With JB. Bickerstaff and Kate Cunningham agreed to long term contracts
with the Pistons. Cunningham an extension. Bickerstaff look four years. Five year
contract in today's NBA can be considered long term. I think it's emotional when
the Tigers win but almost loose. Those those are important to fans. I
am not going to apologize or stop talking baseball now. Do I have a
tendency to go a little bit longer than I probably should? Yes? Self
evaluation is really important in life, folks. I say that to my kids
all the time. I have to own it too. I get it.
Sometimes I go a little bit longer than I should. But when we have
a couple of quick segments, I try to get as much in that I'm
thinking about as I possibly can. So I am going to continue to talk
about the Tigers when it's appropriate. But we did move on we did talk
about JB. Bickerstaff being the new head coach of the Pistons Cape Cunningham and
the extension that he will soon sign. And we did talk about Patrick Kine
and the Red Wings with Tied Coulfin of the Detroit News at seven thirty five.
In case you missed any of that, that'll be on our podcast coming
up a little bit later on on our social media channels. I would say
this, and the NFL is going to start kicking in at some point this
month, if it hasn't already for a lot of people. CBS Sports came
out with the top twenty five NFL players twenty five and under for twenty twenty
four. Anytime I see something like this, I'm sure I'm a lot like
you. Immediately you gravitate toward our team. How many Lions are on there?
One fifth of this team, according to this website, one fifth are
made up of Detroit Lions. You want to reason for hope. I think
that's what we do in sports. There's a few key words we do or
we associate with sports. As a personal fan, you want trust in your
person making the decisions. So you want to trust your general manager and your
head coach, right, I mean eventually certain sports, your quarterback, you
want to trust your quarterback, I mean, but trust is a big word.
It's an important word, and it's something that every fan base wants out
of the leaders of their respective franchises. Okay, And besides trust, you
would like future, right, the people who are going to mold your team
in the future. Who are they? How many are they are there?
And how much further in the future can you have with the Lions to have
one fifth And I know it's just one website. It's somebody's opinion, but
I think you feel it too. When you're looking at players who are twenty
five years or younger. Jamiir Gibbs is one of those. He's twenty two.
Sam Laporta is one of those. He's twenty three. Aiden Hutchinson is
one of those. He's twenty four. There's three of the five and three
of the top twenty five. They may be at the lower end and that's
okay, but they are believed to be key guys, long term solutions for
a while. Aman Rossain Brown is another. He's twenty four. And of
course you already know this by now. Penne seoul Is twenty three and he's
one. Those are the five players at cbssports dot Com has excuse me rated
as among the top twenty five players who are twenty five years or younger.
Sewell, they have ranked fourth. I was gonna say, Sewell, you
could argue is the best tackle in all of football without a doubt as a
twenty three year old. Yeah. I don't care what ag is. But
if I told you justin Jefferson, Micah Parsons, and Jamar Chase were the
only players who are twenty five years or younger that this website has ranked ahead
of Penny Seowoel, You'd say I can live with that because those three guys
are all dogs. I mean, those guys are unbelievable players. I love
it because I'm a big offensive line guy. And Penny Sewell, like you
said, not just the best tackle twenty five years or younger, but perhaps
the best tackle in football and will continue to show that. We'll talk a
little more NFL on the other side quick Break ten after the hour at the
bottom of the hour to Sean Tate will join us to talk NBA, specifically
Pistons with Kate Kunneingham and JB. Bickerstaff on Exus and Bros. After this
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I wouldn't ask you to pick the one player who's most indisposable, because
you could make a case for each of them. Aiden Hutchinson really important.
He's gotten better each of the last two years. Sam Laporta, you're damn
right, he's a better weapon. That position is so much more important than
people originally give it credit for. People are starting to recognize it a little
bit more now. Right, Penney Sewell goes without saying i'man Ross Saint Brown.
It's a passing league. You gotta have him Jamior gives a dual threat.
The top twenty tight ends, some of the best tight ends in the
world, the top tight ends in football. Sam Laporta is rated by many
as a top five tight end. Already walked in and did that, shep
walked right in? Top five is production? Did you know that he had
one hundred and twenty targets a year ago? I mean, eighty six rocks
is unbelievable, right, and he's scoring a touchdown every eight and a half
catch. But for him to have one hundred and twenty targets, that to
me is mind blown. Like Mark Andrews is really good for Baltimore, right,
sixty one targets, Travis Kelce excellent for Kansas City, one hundred and
twenty targets, George Kittle for San Francisco ninety targets. That's how much confidence
Jared Goff and the Lions had in Sam Laporta. That's just it, shep.
Jared Goff is no spring chicken either. I mean, he's a in
he knows what he's doing, and he trusts the rookie last year. Yeah,
he wants him, He's looking for him, man. I mean there's
others who had more tj Hockinson had one hundred and twenty seven. David and
Joko had a few more, but overall, one hundred and twenty targets.
And it's not like he's the only option, the only weapon the Lions had.
You've got Saint Brown, You've got Reynolds, You've got Williams, You've
got Gibbs. Now you'll have Raymond. There's a way to spread that wealth
a little bit. Here's what a website said about Sam Laporta as the fourth
ranked the fourth ranked tight end in the National Football League. He's put together
one of the best receiving seasons we've ever seen from a rookie tight end,
emerging as one of Jared Goff's top targets and a perfect compliment to Saint Brown
as the Lions repeatedly found ways for them to access the middle of the field.
He's a high end athlete who can both stretch the field and create with
the ball in his hands. He found his way into the perfect system with
an offensive coordinator who will put him in a position to succeed. He might
not cross the goal line ten times again, but he'll make a significant impact.
And I do think you got to throw in his durability and his toughness
and, for lack of a better term, grit. He was banged up
in the playoffs, scored a touchdown in the home game against the Rams.
I mean he straps him up and goes out there and gives it his best
no matter what. Amen. Here's the other thing. At some point,
opposing defenses were taking notice. You don't surprise teams over a seventeen games schedule
and say, you know that guy came up. We didn't see that coming.
You don't do that. You game plan for that. Now, there's
a part of me that says, wait a minute. Now when you hear
the writing of he had the perfect system with an offensive coordinator who will put
him in a position to succeed. Listen, everybody's like that. You don't
think Kansas City? Do you not think Kansas City is a really good system
for Travis Kelcey or New England. Put Rob Gronkowski in the right type of
system. Come on, give me a break. Absolutely, it was.
Now again, I'm not trying to take a shot at the people who write
this. I'm just saying, let's not diminish what he accomplished based on the
offensive coordinator and the quote unquote system. I don't want people feeling like,
wow, he's a system player. That's not cool. That's not fair at
all, because, as you said, very started fourteen to the seventeen games
highly productive. We all know that with the targets, the number of catches
and the touchdowns and so on and so forth. I think he's the real
deal. And look, I'm not afraid to admit I was wrong. Michael
Mayer was right there the tight end out of Notre Dame. I'm like,
line' are gonna get Michael Mahyer, Holy crap? And they take Sam Laporta.
And I thought I wasn't mad at the pick by any stretch, but
I was a little surprised considering the options. This website has the top tight
ends. They have George Kittle number one, over a thousand yards receiving,
I get it. Travis Kelcey number two. By the way, he had
half as many touchdowns as Sam Laporta, and Mark Andrews at number three.
This is based off what you've done in your career. I like Mark Andrews.
I think he's a hell of a player. Mark Andrews had forty five
catches to Sam Laporta's eighty six. Mark Andrews had five hundred and forty four
receiving yards to Sam Laporta's eight hundred and ninety. Mark Andrews had six touchdowns
to Sam Laporta's ten. Now, granted, could he be underrated, Sure,
he's a hell of a block or two. By the way, he's
exceeded fifty yards receiving per game in five straight seasons. I give him a
ton of credit. Don't tell me he's better than Sam Laporta, or don't
let me rephrase that. Don't tell me he had a better year than Sam
Laporta. Laporta puts together another season like he just had, he won't just
surpass Mark Andrews, He'll surpass Kelsey and Kittle Chef. I find this super
interesting. Look at the four tight ends from the National or the NFC and
AFC Championship games. I mean, that's arguably the four top four tight ends
in the whole league. It shows you try to shows you how important that
position is, now, doesn't it? Oh yeah, yeah for sure.
And you hear the rhetoric about system quarterback. I mean, we can't start
talking system tight end. Now, look at those guys. Yeah right,
I mean it's it's fun to watch. I've always I've always really appreciated the
position I do. I like the position a lot. I think it's vital
for a team's success, and I'm glad they're finally getting some recognition. When
we come back, we'll recognize an NBA conversation with DeShawn Tate. You can
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the NBA, primarily in Atlanta is where he is based, but that doesn't
stop him from reaching out and finding all that is NBA related to cover.
And you can follow him on x at Tate's Take on Hoops and he joins
us here to talk a little bit about free agency, the Pistons and specifically
cad Cunningham. Deshaun and we appreciate the time very much. Happy early holiday
to you and your family. Kate Cunningham reportedly set to sign a five year,
two hundred and twenty six million dollar extension. Why do you think that's
so important for the Pistons? Number one? And what do you think it
says about him and the Pistons relationship number two, great relationship for sure.
I'm kind of moving backwards here and thank you again for having me. But
obviously there's got to be some sort of a great relationship there. And I
don't know, I mean it kind of in terms of Kate. Let's just
be honest about something here for a second. The vibe, the energy,
and the feel is that this is essentially and this is no disrespect to Kate,
although it may sound like it a little bit, but he's like he's
like the ugliest pretty girl at the party, you know what I mean.
It's like, you gotta pay somebody. Somebody's got to be the guy.
Somebody's got to be the one, like Kate. I don't know if I
love King, I don't know. What they're asking of Kate to do is
necessarily is necessarily something that's going to take them to the next level. That
being said, is he worth two hundred and twenty six million dollars? Many
people will probably say no, but because you got to pay somebody, and
he's a face right now this franchise and he's going to be the guy.
But it is a it's certainly a boatload of money, uh into with today's
market, to be honest with you, which is the elephant in the room
that sticks out like a sore thumb? Uh there, you know, obviously
looking at the way today's landscape is and paying guys and so forth. I
mean, one thing you can't disagree with is that Kate is not the reason
why things look the way that they did last year. That's for sure.
Agreed to one hundred percent. You know. I think the money is one
thing. But you want to win. You want to be around a winning
culture that Pistons obviously don't have that. So it's tough to say no to
the money. But if you want to win and you don't feel like your
organization is going to win, you at least leave your options open. So
I think it does say something about him, his character, perhaps the relationship
he has with the Pistons, and perhaps and this might be a reach to
Sean, but perhaps the bringing in of JB. Bickerstaff. I think with
the proven track record that he has with developing younger players, that bodes well.
Why do you like or dislike the hiring of JB. Bickerstaff as their
new head coach? Well, I mean it gives more feel of you know,
like it, not necessarily love it. You know, if we're talking
about for a short term, then I think it's great. Long term,
I don't love the idea. It kind of reminds me of how I feel
about a guy that just got picked the other night in Dalton, Connects from
Tennessee. Kind of feels like that, like high floor, you know,
low ceiling kind of thing. I don't think this is something that we're gonna
be talking about, all right, is year eight for JB or anything like
that, you know, but the development of the players, like you just
mentioned, in addition to the fact that Cleveland was one of the not only
better defensive teams in the NBA last year, but certainly one of the better
teams in the East. They were competing for a second seed late into the
season. Not just to mention that, but I mean, listen, it's
not bad. It's the most ideal he personally, would I rather have Jay
Wright maybe a name that hasn't been brought up very often for whatever reason.
But I mean, listen, you gotta start somewhere. My concern with this
team besides the shooting, and we could have a whole laundry list of things
that we could discuss, But I sometimes think that they try to get guys
that fit the culture more importantly than guys that fit together on the floor.
And I love the culture. San Antonio has its on Miami has its,
so Detroit has its own. I don't think it's a terrible idea to have.
I'm just not in love with grouping a bunch of guys and it feels
like the graveyard of the NBA the MotorCity does that has to change when you
start talking about Marvin Bagley's and James Wiseman. That isn't something that's gonna push
guys over the top. But we have to find somewhere to get started,
and obviously taking Holling a number five is a start. Yeah, I'm with
you on all that. I find it interesting what you originally said about JB.
Bickers deaf John Blair Bickers death, specifically that you know you don't necessarily
love it that he's the guy for the short term, not necessarily the long
term. How do we know that when he really hasn't been given that much
of an opportunity. I mean Cleveland, he takes over for John Bline,
He turns a team that went twenty two and fifty and he takes him to
forty four wins, then fifty one wins and forty eight wins. Why do
we not think that he deserves the opportunity to be a long term answer when
we've seen plenty of coaches in the past not get that chance Dan Campbell Lions
for example, and then make the most of it when people, most of
them thought he was a short bridge. I think part of it is because
of the an experience, not saying a zero experience, because he had a
job obviously before Cleveland, but because because we have it, he doesn't have
that long history of a resume, right right, you know, would you
rather have? And maybe someone that I'm kind of grouping in comparing with him,
a guy who obviously did very good this past year in Orlando was Jamal
Mosley. Right, we probably could have said the same thing, but because
of what he was able to do in the playoffs and even Cleveland, well,
I think when went further than they did or just about as far,
but he left a different kind of impression on people, and I think that
was a huge part by why I feel the way that I feel, and
it just feels like the same guys in a coaching caresel over and over,
going around and a round between Bago and actings, and and and and and
and bicker staff and so you know, just from that standpoint. Now,
granted, nobody has the experience until somebody does what gives you the experience.
Nobody has success until someone gives you that opportunity to have success. And here
it is another opportunity. But make no mistake about it, there's a there's
a list of guys that is under him that were not as considerable for the
job in my opinion, as he was. But you know, again,
it's not an overwhelming great feeling. It's like, well, here we go
again. Let's just try it out, and let's just I guess well the
dice and see what happens if we're you know whatever, three hundred and sixty
five times two or three years down the line from now, two three years
we're talking about twenty twenty six and twenty seven from now. Will anybody be
ridiculously surprised that things maybe didn't work out? Probably not. Now we're keeping
our fingers toes, eyes and teeth and everything else crossed that it does,
of course, But would anybody be surprised, Probably not. If we're in
the same situation again, I'm not just gonna surprise anybody. Yeah, Deshaun
Tate joining us here on Ex's and Bros. Fauma x at Tate's take on
hoops. What you just said there really piques my interest. And as soon
as you said it, here we go again. We got the same guys.
And obviously that's a different way of saying retreads. I think of Okay,
well, JJ Reddick gets hired by the Lakers, and people aren't necessarily
overly thrilled with that he was their second choice. You got Doc Rivers who
took over in Milwaukee, and he's been very accomplished in his career, and
yet they didn't respond all that well to him. I don't know if there's
the right solution. I don't know if there's the right thing that makes us
go okay, yeah, I want this guy because he's got experience, but
yet he's a retread. Although I want to try something new with fill in
the blank. That's a difficult river to navigate for general managers. I would
guess it is. It definitely is. I'm not saying I got all the
right answers, because if I did, i'd certainly be part of one of
those decision makers, I'm sure, instead of talking to you, which I'm
so grateful to be doing, by the way, But and you know,
that is a very you know, obviously very difficult decision that you have to
make, and the concerns about this theme with direction that we're going prior to
hire having a hand coach, and when they've got so many new pieces over
there, obviously with the Alaska Assassin changing Langdon as well, so to be
able to have new energy, I think is to start something that this team
needed, and people are looking forward to them, you know, obviously looking
significantly different than they did last year. I'm probably be thinking you're fooling yourself.
However, people are ready for this team to be good again. People
are ready for this team to at least be competing, at least just contending
for a playing spot. They give you two extra opportunities at teams to be
able to have a chance to play into this thing, and they haven't been
closed. And we all wish much better than that. Obviously, like I
said, there's probably no perfect guy that's gonna go to Detroit that is to
be able to fit into that space. But again, I'll throw it at
you again and again. This guy has no experience either. So it may
sound like I'm contradicting myself a little bit, but I just feel like the
energy would be a little bit better if you attempted to go after a guy
like the Jay Wright. Yeah, and I respect Jay Wright a great deal.
I don't know why he would want to put up with a headache that
oftentimes come in the NBA when he's got a pretty good gig right now a
number one Amen. Yeah. And the other thing is I do believe I
do think it's interesting. I think he's one of those coaches at the college
level who could make the transition to the NBA. It just doesn't work very
often because of how different you have to coach, and with my background in
calling college basketball and the NBA, I just I don't see many who fit
it very well and could do well at both. But it is an interesting
thing to discuss. Before I get to a couple of free agents, I
wanted your overall take on Rona Hall on the second, being the fifth overall
pick. I think it was the first early surprise of the NBA Draft.
I can't say that it was something that I expected, but I can't say
that I necessarily dislike it either. What is your take on the lot on
the Pistons first first round point pick? Well, yeah, I mean the
idea that he's checking all the boxes and all that, the athleticism and the
wings span and the potential, it is just a potential draft. I mean,
at the end of the day, let's just be honest, if one
of these guys didn't happen to work out with one of these teams, then
I don't think anybody's going to be all that surprise or what have you.
The guy, the team that got the perfect the right guy probably just accidentally
drafted the right guy, just fell in their some way, somehow they rolled
the dice, and that could be Holland for all we know. Only thing
taking him at five was too early at all. I mean, you get
a guy who a lot of people were extremely high on, you know,
around this time last year, expecting to potent to be a potential number one
pick, obviously putting the eyes on him in a whole new situation. He's
already been a professional so far in his career at least one year, if
not nothing else. So I think that that's good from experience standpoint, but
again, I mean got to work on this jump shot. I think you
to say that about probably every guy whose name was called a few days ago.
And you know, you know, I'm not sure that it was that
they drafted based off of need. I know, it was really difficult to
say that they drafted based off of most available. But when you start talking
about potentials, he arguably has the most potential in this draft another light,
not love, but it's really arguable when you look at who else was left
on the board, with the exception of Maidensa, if you wanted to go
after another big again, I guess, especially considering the fact that Isaiah Stewart
from an injury standpoint, there really wasn't a whole lot more left that I
felt more comfortable saying, why would we do this? We had this guy
on the board instead, typical Detroit Piston. I don't think he was terrible,
but at the end of the day, it's just something that we're gonna
have to wait and see. But also for fifty nine other guys, by
the way, yeah, for sure when you see the free agency and sell
the numbers that are being thrown around right now, Uh, is there anything
that has really caught your attention, like, wow, I can't believe.
For example, the Clippers gave James Harden two years, seventy million dollars,
you know, possibly four year deal for Paul George in Philadelphia. What's caught
your eyes in the early stage US A free agency? Yeah, through twenty
six for k paid Kate is what I'm calling him now, not Trey k
paid k I think it was interesting. What the you know, uh,
San Antonio Spurs, did you know? I think clearly got a point where
we're seeing, maybe not from a money standpoint, but I think it's pretty
evident that Chris Paul is probably going to be one of those greats that go
down without a ring. By adding him and putting him in a position or
where he can kind of teach other guys, it feels like an extension of
a judonas Haslam type role, although he's going to be playing. But that
was really interesting to me. Obviously you got to throw Paul George in that
mix. Says well, Klay Thompson should be relatively soon. I would imagine
too, But where to I don't know. I guess maybe that I would
imagine that probably probably would be the Lakers or Dallas however, or Dallas excuse
me, or Dallas. But you got the Lakers out there, the Lakers
trying to get everybody and get they're trying to get me and you for crying
out out I think to call me prior to me coming on the air with
you or something, you know, seriously I mean, but obviously Paul George
being an elephant in the room right here, being a guy that can fill
that need, I just I don't think that that really takes them over time.
We're gonna talk about them being contenders, when's you talking about those guys
being contenders for similar relatively close to maybe what about ten years now or something
close to it. So overly in belief of the Philadelphia seventy six ers by
any stretch of the imagination, either primarily because of the health concerns to Joe
Embi when it matters the most. But I'm gonna be honest, George,
going through the sixers is not something that I felt was nearly as realistic as
many other people did. And if your cap to them for being able to
land them, but now I have to see the results. Yeah. Lastly,
real quick in your Wheelhouse de'onta. Murray goes from Atlanta to New Orleans.
Surprised boy, because I think he's a hell of a player. Now,
I would argue, I mean Atlanta got an awful lot back for him,
right. I think they got Larry Nance Junior, they got Dyson Daniels.
I think they got a first round pick from either the Bucks or the
Pelicans or something along those lines. You would know the details better than I,
but that surprised me a little bit. People felt like you had to
decide between Trey Young or Murray or why couldn't they coexist? What was your
take on that trade? And why couldn't they coexist? Overall? Getting a
lot back for him that felt like a bunch of nothing considering what they've done
over the last few days, especially take the recess. But I think that's
a whole another conversation. The reality is just that it just wasn't a good
thing. I got two guys who can not natural naturally play the point guard
position. Obviously, you know, with Murray being able to play off the
ball a little bit. They had conversations for quite a long time about maybe
putting Tray off the ball in the situations and that wasn't gonna work as well.
And I'm not sure that you know it'd be the smartest thing in the
world to do that, to try it. Maybe I don't think it's terrible,
but it's just it's it's it's like mixing water and oil to a degree
in some ways. And I don't think that there was anything out, you
know, a personal situation like many people made it out to seem and all
those kind of things. But it kind of reminds me of you know,
last year's NBA draft. On the time about a year ago, we were
talking about what the number two pick or whatever it was. I think we
saw Brandon Miller go to Charlie conversations about Scoot Henderson, School Inderson and LaMelo
Ball. I just did not feel like was going to work. Now,
depending on what your definition of work is, you may disagree with me,
however, I just don't think you can get the best. I don't think
it was gonna be terrible, and it wasn't terrible, but you weren't going
to get the best that you can get out of both of those guys on
the same night at the same time. If you were able to do that,
then we might be talking about something different, but because you weren't able
to do that in the situation that the Atlanta Hawks are in, I think
that's something that kind of hurt them more than it helped. I don't think
it was as bad as some people made it out to scene, but it
really wasn't as good as some people made it out to see either. And
it just clearly looks like you're trying to rebuild off of a rebuild. Now
at this point, no idea what the front office is doing, but I
don't love it at all, and I don't get really good feelings about it.
Would I be surprised and Tray was on the train block maybe the best
thing to ever come through those doors since the number twenty one, besides the
guy who's got number twenty one outside. But I guess we'll just have to
play wait and see. It's great stuff, DeShawn. I really enjoyed the
conversation. I hope we can do it again. Thanks for the insight and
your success. Have a great week, buddy, Appreciate it man. Yeah
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