You're listening to the Mind Over Murder podcast. My name is Bill Thomas.
I'm a writer, consulting, producer, and now podcaster. I am now
trying to use my experience as the brother of a murder victim to help other
victims of violent crime. I'm working on a book on the unsolved Colonial Parkway
murders, and I'm the co administrator of the Colonial Parkway Murders Facebook group together
with Kristin Dilly. My name is Kristin Dilly. I'm a writer, a
researcher, a teacher, and a victim's advocate, as well as the social
media manager and co administrator for the Colonial Parkway Murders Facebook page with my partner
in crime, Bill Thomas. Welcome to mind Over Murder. I'm Kristin Dilly
and I'm Bill Thomas, and we're talking today about the Route twenty nine stalker.
Oh she's using the spooky voice today. Yeah. This is a pretty
mysterious case and it's one that has confounded people in and around on the Central
Virginia area for quite a while. So I'm glad that we're finally getting a
chance to talk about it. A lot like the Colonial Parkway murders. The
Route twenty nine Stocker label may actually be a little bit of a misnomer because
it encompasses a pretty wide series of crimes that ultimately may not all be connected.
We're not entirely sure which of them are which of them aren't. There
are so many cases here that it's going to take us a little bit to
cover them all. But the umbrella term Route twenty nine Stoker, after doing
more research on this, is a little bit of a misnomer because it's not
just one Route twenty nine Stoker. I think there's many Route twenty nine Stokers.
Bear with us. We're going to start broad and then narrow down.
I know that ye Kristen said in her notes that this is an umbrella term,
But at the same time I was also thinking about a funnel, because
yes, we start wide, and please don't think we've completely lost our minds.
We're going to talk about a number of different cases which potentially may be
linked, and then over the course of the conversation we'll begin to narrow things
down a little bit. So hence the funnel example exactly, And I think
that does work better than umbrella. But when I settled down to do my
research about Route twenty nine, and I started looking at cases that people were
like, this could be Route twenty nine Stocker, this could be Route twenty
nine Stocker. I was like, Oh, this is a lot, it
is. What I'm going to do is I'm going to go ahead and just
mention the overarching number of cases that could potentially be related to the Route twenty
nine Stocker, and then we're going to break down the ones that definitely aren't
Route twenty nine Stocker, and the ones that maybe could be, and the
ones that we're not sure of. It's going to be a crazy episode.
So first, let me just establish that the Route twenty nine stocker's umbrella term
describes the murders of thirteen different women that happen in the area along Route twenty
nine between Charlottesville, Virginia and Manassas, Virginia. And this happened in the
time frame between nineteen ninety six in twenty fourteen. So I'm gonna list our
victims' names first, because, as always, we try to be victim centric
here and we want all of these women to have their names mentioned. The
potential victims of the Route twenty nine Stalker are Alicia Showalter, Reynolds, Julie
Williams, Lally Winan's and McDaniel, Thelmas Skroggins, Cyphia Silva, Kristen Lisk,
Katie Lisk, Morgan Harrington, Samantha Clark, Alexis Murphy, Sage Smith,
and Hannah Graham. Some of those cases are eventually going to be taken
off the table because we know who perpetrated the crimes against them. But when
you do as I think we all do, which is go to the source
of all knowledge Wikipedia. If you were to google the Route twenty nine Stoker
on Wikipedia, they would list all of these women and their cases under the
Route twenty nine Stocker umbrella, which is why I started there. Fair enough
so far, tell our listeners a little bit more about Route twenty nine itself.
So Route twenty nine is, as Bill said, a federal highway and
it runs north south and it is one thirty six miles long. It actually
runs from Florida to Maryland. When it runs through Virginia, it bisects it
into eastern and western halves. It provides the major north south route through the
Commonwealth, or one of the major north south routes through the Commonwealth. If
you move in the direction from south to north. Route twenty nine has bypassed
routes through Danville, Lynchburg, Lovingston, Charlottesville, Madison, Culpepper, Remington,
and Warrenton. Those names are going to come back in just a little
bit as we discuss those cases, So everybody pay attention. They'll be a
quiz on this later. We promised to include detailed information in our show notes
as always. Okay, so we'll go ahead and start, and I'm going
to just break this down bit by bit. Bill is going to offer colorful
commentary and additional salient details as needed, and we'll see how much we can
get through for one episode. But I get the sense this is going to
take us a little bit. I think you're right. We'll go ahead and
start with the term Route twenty nine stalker because it is a pretty evocative and
interesting moniker. The Route twenty nine stalker refers to the man who, during
nineteen ninety six, was spotted signaling more than twenty women to pull over to
the side of the road, pretending that they were having issues with their cars.
The pretty typical ruse that he would use was, oh, I can
see spark flying out from underneath your car, you better pull over and let
me help you. Ultimately, when a lot of these women pulled over,
the cars didn't have anything wrong with them, which I would think is a
pretty big red flag for anybody who's suddenly been pulled over by somebody. There
are theories as to who this person was, which we'll get into shortly.
Signaling more than twenty women came forward eventually and said I was signaled by this
guy. Pulled over by this guy, and apparently he was waiting for just
the right victim, and he found that victim with Alicia Showalter Reynolds. Alicia
was a twenty five year old Johns Hopkins University grad student. She was getting
her degree in pharmacology, and she was seen getting out of her white Mercury
Tracer. You remember that little tiny Carville. I don't think they have him
around anymore. I do remember the car, so it's a small economy size
to door. I definitely remember the Tracer. She was getting out of her
white Mercury Tracer and she got into a dark pickup truck with a stranger who
was allegedly helping with her car. Her car was found with a white napkin
under the windshield wiper, which for anyone of the younger generation who does not
know that means I've had car trouble. It's worth mentioning. This is a
pre cell phone environment. Cell phones weren't popular and most people didn't necessarily have
a cell phone. They were growing in popularity, but not necessarily everyone had
one. There's a couple things worth mentioning here. Women that came forward after
Alisa Showalter Reynolds's disappearance had said that a man would pull alongside them, signaling
to them, trying to catch their eye and letting them know that supposedly there
was something wrong with their vehicle. He would sometimes say, I can see
sparks, you need to pull over, it's not safe, that kind of
thing. He drove a variety of different vehicles, so one of the theories
about the Route twenty nine stalker was that he had access to different motor vehicles.
There were two pickup trucks, for example, one was a dark colored
Ford or Mazda they were made by the same company at that time, and
another green Nissan truck with gold zigzag stripes, and so some of the vehicles
were actually quite distinctive. They thought that he might be someone who worked with
or had access to multiple vehicles. So this could be a mechanic or someone
that worked with cars, maybe worked in a repo yard, junkyard, something
like that, where you'd have different vehicles which might belong to customers or other
people, and not necessarily the driver. He seemed to be cruising up and
down Route twenty nine, attempting and sometimes successfully flagging people down and convincing these
women to pull over, and then trying to talk them into that there was
something wrong with their vehicle. So Alicia Showalter Reynolds was the only woman who
apparently went with this person in the dark pickup truck, but she was found
dead in the woods nearby in March of nineteen ninety six. She was murdered
by the Route twenty nine stoker, and we'll get into some speculation about who
the Route twenty nine Stoker might be just a little bit later. Alisia Showalter
Reynolds's disappearance and murder kicked off what seemed to be a startling series of murders
and disappearances of women in and around this area. So I'm going to very
quickly highlight the disappearance and murders that were happening in the area during that time
period, and then we're going to get into different details. Shortly after Alisha
was found dead in the woods in March of nineteen ninety six, two women,
Julie Williams and Lolly Winans, were killed inside the Shenandoa National Park.
In May of nineteen ninety six, or two months later, in July of
nineteen ninety six, seventy four year old Thelma Skroggins was found dead in her
home along Route twenty nine. In September of nineteen ninety six, twenty year
old and McDaniel was found murdered in the woods very near to where Alicia Showalter
Reynolds's body was. That is this cluster that happened in a long Route twenty
nine in nineteen ninety six. There are more cases, though, but we'll
get into that in more detail, into just a second bill. Anything you
want to add, I think you're good. I know we're going to be
talking with Kate Miles, the author of Trailed, the new book about the
Julie Williams Lolly Winans murder. Kate puts forth some very provocative theories and that'll
be a fascinating conversation in the next few weeks. Her new book, Trailed
One Woman's Quest to Solve the Shenandoah Murders, comes out May third. Many
experts seem to feel that there is a strong possibility that the murder of Thelma
Scroggins and Anne McDaniel may actually link into the Route twenty nine stock her case.
Some of those same experts feel that the Julie Williams and Lawley Winan's murder
inside the Shenandoah National Park may be a separate event, although as you said,
everything happens in pretty close proximity and over a period of just a few
months, and these bodies being found in and around Lingham, Virginia, where
I've never been, but I understand it's a real small town. They call
it a hamlet in some of the reporting, and it really is just six
houses, a post office, and a field. I don't know if there's
a term smaller than a hamlet, but I feel like they would almost have
to be. That's what Lingham is. When you're smaller than a village,
I think you're down to hamlet size. And it's a tiny place, and
it is odd that all of these women started showing up dead in and around
this area. But then, if you want to further complicate the Route twenty
nine stocker label, how about this. There were a series of killings after
nineteen ninety six, closer into the the mid two thousands that were ultimately proven
to be the work of three different serial killers. I knew that it seems
highly improbable that there would be multiple serial killers working in one relatively small area,
but apparently that actually happened. We are talking about the work of Randy
Taylor, who was responsible for the murders of Alexis Murphy and presumably Samantha Clark.
We are talking about Jesse Matthew, who was responsible for the murders of
Morgan Harrington and Hannah Graham. And we're talking about Richard Mark Evanitts, who
was responsible for the murders of Sophia Silva, Katie Lisk, and Kristen Lisk.
All of these murderers worked along that Route twenty nine corridor. It is
it's very odd, it is very strange. At the time of these later
murders, there was thinking in law enforcement and media circles that these cases might
tie back into the nineteen ninety six cluster that we refer to as the Root
twenty nine Stocker case. And that's why this case really is so confusing.
There are so many things. What's in, what's out, what's part of
it, what's not. It can be very intimidating to try to deal with
this case. What I thought we would do now that we've got the basics
out of the way is work backward and talk about the cases that don't fall
under the label of Root twenty nine Stoker. We can dig down to the
ones that do. Sounds good. There are four cases which do not fall
under the label of Route twenty nine stalker anymore, and those are the murders
of Morgan Harrington, Samantha Clark, Alexis Murphy, and Hannah Graham. The
first murder is the two thousand and nine murder of Virginia Tech student Morgan Harrington,
who was twenty years old. She was the first known victim of serial
killer Jesse Matthew, who is currently on death row. Jesse Matthew would go
on to murder Hannah Graham, a UVA student, five years later in twenty
fourteen. So he murdered Morgan in two thousand and nine, took a break
win again after Hannah in twenty fourteen. I have always felt that there was
a strong possibility that Jesse Matthew may have been involved in other unsolved rapes and
homicides. Now Matthew was tied in to a sexual assault of a woman in
Fairfax, Virginia several years prior, although she fortunately survived a sexual assault,
but Jesse Matthew's DNA was found ultimately that is what helped connect the Morgan Harrington
and Hannah Graham case. After Morgan Harrington's murder in two thousand and nine,
there was the September twenty ten disappearance and probable murder of Samantha Clark, who
was nineteen years old. We say probable murder because Samantha's remains have never been
recovered. Very likely her murder was perpetrated by Randy Taylor, who would go
on to murder Alexis Murphy three years later. If you have not followed our
coverage of those cases, we do encourage you to go listen to our back
catalog. It was very early on that we covered these murders. It was
episode seven and eight, I believe, and we covered Alexis Murphy and Samantha
Clark, and we also talked to Alexis Murphy's great aunt, Trina Murphy.
There's no question in my mind that Randy Taylor is directly responsible for the murder
of Samantha Clark, although he has never admitted as such. He was in
touch with Samantha Clark in the last few days of her life and had cell
phone contact with her. He had met her a few days prior. And
it's very unfortunate that we have not been able to find points of leverage with
Randy Taylor to get him to admit to the murder of Samantha Clark because Randy
Taylor never getting out of jail. He has helped in some ways, but
I find it heartbreaking that he's not willing to admit that he's also responsible for
the murder of Samantha Clark. There has to be something that Randy Taylor needs
or wants in jail that could be provided as an incentive to have him admit
his involvement with Samantha Clark. And I think, perhaps most importantly, the
guide law enforcement to where Samantha Clark's remains can be found. Randy Taylor abducted
and murdered Alexis Murphy in August of twenty thirteen in Lovingston, Virginia. Her
body, unfortunately went unrecovered until twenty twenty. Hers was the second nobody homicide
that was successfully prosecuted in the state of Virginia, and as I mentioned,
we did cover her case in some depth in our earlier episode in twenty twenty
for reasons that we are still not entirely clear of. I think maybe Trina
would be a good person ask about this. Randy Taylor suddenly gave up the
location of Alexis Murphy's remains, and so in twenty twenty he did lead them
to where her remains could be recovered, and they were ultimately recovered. Her
family was able to give her a proper burial. But right around the time
period that he led them to Alexis Murphy's remains, Samantha Clark's disappearance was reclassified
from a disappearance to abduction and murder. I have to think that is probably
because in the midst of giving them information about where to find Alexis Murphy.
I wonder if he gave up information about Samantha Clark as well. You're listening
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We're back here at Mindover Murder. They never publicly said why Randy Taylor came
forward with this additional information in twenty twenty leading them to be able to recover
the remains of Alexis Murphy. I was so hopeful at that time. I
think Christin you felt the same way that this might also lead to the recovery
of Samantha Clark's remains. And the whole thing has been baffling and frustrating.
I had some off the record conversations with Trina a couple of years ago where
she told me this was coming, and she said they were hopeful that Taylor
would lead them to Alexis Murphy's remains, which he did. I know.
Samantha Clark's family in interviews, has talked about the fact that they just feel
like they're on the outside looking in, and that people have forgotten about Samantha
Clark and her disappearance. For what it's worth, we haven't forgotten about her.
We still find ourselves at this frustrating crossroads where we can't seem to convince
Randy Taylor, whom, as I said, is serving two life sentences.
He's not getting out of jail. Ever, there's got to be some way
to convince him. I know. One of the things when I talked to
Trina a couple of years ago about this, she had said that the kind
of appeals to heart and soul or religious or spiritual approach that might work with
most of us often don't work with people that are just brutal, sociopathic killers
who just lack the empathy gene, if you will, And when you and
I look at each other, Kristen, and we think, oh my gosh,
how can he not see how much it would mean to the Clark family
to find Samantha's remains, much in the same way it was a dare I
say, a healing step for the Murphy family. That appeal to someone's humanity
is so difficult a reach for people that are probably almost without a soul.
These are brutal killers. I'm hoping there can be some way to reach Taylor
with something that he wants and in a way that would result in a good
outcome for the Clark family. Interestingly enough, Randy Taylor, who is totally
full of it in my opinion, suggested to investigators that maybe you should check
Alexis Murphy's cell phone and Facebook pages and Instagram accounts to see if she had
any contact with Jesse Matthew, who murdered Morgan Harrington and would later murder Hannah
Graham. As if he didn't have everything to do with Alexis Murphy, he
actually went out there and told his lawyers, hey, ask for a DNA
sample from Jesse Matthew. Maybe he did it, really, dude, you
did it? Come on? During the investigation of Alexis Murphy's disappearance, Taylor
had claimed that an African American man with long dreads had been with them at
Taylor's trailer, and it seemed awfully convenient to me. Yeah, first of
all, oh, let's blame the black guy, and then, of course
there's a guy with long dreads, which is a style that matches roughly the
description of Jesse matt At that time, the whole thing was just ludicrous.
I think they actually went through with it, did they not, Christ they
did. They did run a DNA test on Jesse Matthew, justin cause,
and unsurprisingly, there was no DNA or social media commonality. There was no
contact between Jesse Matthew and Alexis Murphy. That only just implicates Randy Taylor even
further. In my opinion, he wasn't fooling anybody with that. Maybe you
should look at this guy over here. We've got the right guy. And
interestingly enough, Randy Taylor and Jesse Matthew are both in the same supermax prison
in Virginia. They are both in Red Onion State Prison, along with Lee
Boyd Malvote, the DC Sniper. Interesting. What a classy group of people
to have all together out there. And this would be in the western part
of the state. Yeah, way way down, like you're almost getting to
Tennessee. You'll notice then in you'll notice how states almost always stick their prisons
at the very edge of their area of jurisdiction. It's almost we couldn't push
them any further. Outs were just as far away as you can. It's
like putting the dump at the edge of town. This is not dissimilar as
a repository for people that no one really wants to see, oh exactly.
And then after the twenty thirteen murder of Alexis Murphy, there was the twenty
fourteen murder of UVA student Hannah gram eighteen, very much publicized I remember watching
this just absolutely explode across social media. NBC, CNN, like every single
news outlet that there was at the time had the Hannagram story and that was
I remember that just being huge news for a couple of days until ultimately her
body was found and it was a DNA comparison that linked Jesse Matthew to both
Morgan Harrington and Hannah Graham. Matthew finally ultimately just pleaded out and he pled
guilty to the murder of Hannah Graham and Morgan Harrington and was sentenced to three
life terms without the possibility of parole in twenty sixteen. And really, it
just couldn't happen to a nicer guy. We do encourage you to listen to
our episodes seven and eight of Mind Over Murder, in which we discuss Alexis
Samantha and we interview Trina Murphy, and we will get to coverage of Morgan
Harrington and Hannah Graham in more detail in future episodes. The next set of
murders that we come to, I guess we're going reverse chronologically at this point.
I think so, yeah, the next set of murders that are not
the work of the route twenty nine stalker, but are often grouped in there
anyway, are those of Sophia Silva and Kristen and Katie Lisk. Those were
perpetrated by Richard Mark Ivana. So these actually happened also within that nineteen ninety
six time frame. Both of them were just absolutely horrific. I was doing
some reading and research on this last night before going to bed. Probably not
the best before bed reading activity that will help you sleep. Yeah, it
was not great reading before bedtime, but absolutely horrific. Although there is a
pretty good compelling story of survival that does come out of everything that happened with
Evanna. Okay, so let's get to September of nineteen ninety six, and
that was the abduction and murder of Sophia Silva, and that is in Spotsylvania.
Sixteen year old Sofia Silva was actually kidnapped right off of her front porch.
She was sitting outside doing her homework, had a Cannesota with her,
had her notes from class. Her twenty one year old sister, Pam,
came outside to check her and she's gone, just gone. Pam said she
heard no screams, she heard no sounds of a struggle, her sister just
up and vanished. There was an intense hunt for Sophia because it was determined
pretty quickly that this is not a teenage girl who would run away from home,
that she was not troubled in anyway, she had a good family life,
everything was copesthetic. So there was an intense hunt for Sophia that she
was ultimately found dead more than a month later. In some of the reporting
calls it a creek, some calls it a swamp, but body of water,
but wrapped in a blue blanket. She had been raped and her pubic
area had been shaved, which later will come into play when we talk about
the next abduction. Later in May of nineteen ninety seven, you have the
double abduction and murder of sisters Kristen and Katie Lisk. And this one breaks
my heart, I think, possibly even more because I can't sagine what their
poor parents must have gone through to lose both daughters at once. Twelve year
old Katie and fifteen year old Kristen were abducted from in front of their home
in Spotsylvania, again in broad daylight, just like Sophia Silva. Their bodies
were found in the south Anna River. Five days later, under similar circumstances,
they also had been raped, they had been wrapped up, and their
pubic areas had been shaved as well. The case ultimately on this went cold.
During the Sophia Silva disappearance, there was an arrestmate. It was one
of Sophia Silva's neighbors, who they thought was maybe responsible for her disappearance because
he had been seen talking with her, as neighbors sometimes do. There was
a search done of his van, and there were fibers found in his van
that seemed to match ones that were found on Sophia's silva. But again,
fiber analysis is not exactly a science that we trust nowadays. Also, when
this person happened to have been in jail on suspicion of abducting and murdering Sofia
Silva, the lists sisters were kidnapped and so very quickly the charge against him
was dropped. Now, the case probably would have stayed cold, except for
in June two thousand and two, fifteen year old Kara Robinson did about the
most badass thing that I can possibly imagine. She escaped from a serial killer.
Fifteen year old Kara Robinson had been kidnapped at gunpoint from the yard of
a friend, and she was kidnapped by Richard mark Evanenz. He kidnapped her
gunpoint when he was walking around pretending to sell magazines of all things. He
showed her a magazine she's flipping through. He's got another magazine in his hand
in which he's got a gun, drops the magazine, holds the gun up.
Ushers her into a rubber maid container in the back of his car and
takes off with her. He took her back to his apartment, which he
happened to have to himself because his wife and mother were on a trip to
Disney World at the time. He let her out of the rubber maid container,
took her into the apartment, bound her, raped her repeatedly. After
eighteen hours, he fell asleep. Kara slipped her hand out of the cuffs
and made a run for it. I love this. She's awesome. She's
so awesome. And she said that she made a point of memorizing every single
detail that she saw in that house. She memorized his dentists and doctor's names
that were on the magnets on his refrigerator. She memorized all the turns that
they took when she was stuck in the rubber maid container in the back of
the car. She memorized everything and then she ran to the police said hey,
I've been kidnapped, I just escaped. I can give you all the
information, and that did lead to the information that Richard Mark Evanitz was in
fact the person who had kidnapped her. Incidentally, and I think most deservedly,
Kara actually received the one hundred and fifty thousand dollars reward that had been
offered for the capture of Katie and Kristen lists killer. It's worth noting here
that Kara Robinson's kidnapping may actually resolve one of the questions from the previous cases
involving Evonnors, which is how did he manage to convince these young girls to
leave the safety of their porch or yard and come with him? Now,
he may have used a ruse, and there's always the lost puppy in those
kind of stories which appeal to young people. Given the fact that he used
a gun to compel Kara Robinson to come with him, he may have actually
used the same approach with these other young girls, where he just produced a
gun and insisted that they come with him, and they went quietly because they
were in fear of their lives. It makes a lot of sense. Mark
Evanez was thirty eight at the time that he kidnapped Kara Robinson, and he
seemed on the surface, as we hear about so many serial killers, he
seemed like a nice guy. Twice married, he was a former sonar tech
for the US Navy. He'd been honorably discharged. He'd received the Navy's Good
Conduct Medal not once but twice. He looked like you're just straight up,
regular, ordinary guy. He had a history of legal issues, including an
a nineteen eighty seven conviction for leude exposure. He was also an alcoholic,
and he did have a pretty nasty temper. So unfortunately, the ordinary nice
guy thing only went so far. After Kara Robinson's escape, Evanittz fled and
was on the run by the time the police arrived, and he was running
ahead of them for two days, I think it was they finally trailed him
to Sarasota, Florida. On his way to Florida, Evanantz called his sister
and confessed to the murders of Sophia Silva Katie Lisk, Kristen Lisk, and
then he said, as well as more crimes than he could remember, and
it's unfortunate he wasn't more specific about that. Ultimately he was cornered by police.
He got out of his vehicle, they set a police dog on him,
at which point he shot himself rather than be taken into police custody.
And so any other information that Mark Evanits would have had about any crimes that
he committed died with him. Interestingly, though, in his apartment they did
find a number of truly frightening and incriminating pieces of evidence. He did keep
a foot locker, and it contained newspaper clippings about the Silva murders and the
List murders. There was also a map and explicit directions to the Lisk home
with a description of two white females eleven or twelve, the other fourteen or
fifteen, next to the words brunette very cute, excuse me while I vomit.
In addition, there were notes which contained the addresses and descriptions of two
other young girls who evidence was stalking. So he was clearly getting ready to
do this again, even after he had kidnapped Kara Robinson, and this is
something that I found only in one piece of reporting, and I could not
find it again. There is no further confirmation on this one. One piece
of reporting said that among the other things in his foot locker was a note
containing directions to the location where Alicia Showalter Reynolds's body was found. But like
I said, I saw no other reporting that indicated that, and a follow
up article on Alicia's case that was done last year did not mention that information,
and in fact it said her killer still had not been caught. So
I don't know where that bit of information stands. Color me skeptical on that
one. It is possible, given the fact that he was following the news
regarding the cases he was responsible for, that he may have made notes about
a case that he was not responsible for, or he may have made notes
about where Alisa Showalter reynolds body was found in Lingham, Virginia, with an
i towards dropping off a murder victim in the future at that location in order
to create confusion for law enforcement. So there can be a lot of different
aspects to that reporting. We're not one hundred percent sure it's accurate, and
I can think of a couple of explanations, not that they're innocent explanations.
They may be able to explain why he'd be interested in that Lingham location where
Alisha Showalter reynolds remains were found, And it would never have occurred to me.
That explanation that you just gave would never have occurred to me. So
it's it's a testament. I think to how long you've spent immersing yourself,
and you spend so much time on true crime, you start thinking like it's
I'm not going to I'm not going to accuse you of thinking like a serial
killer. I would never say that. I note the hesitation, but he
looked at things a certain way, and then you find yourself flipping them around.
We've done this in the Colonial Parkway murders many times as well. It
occurred to me there might be reasons, as I said, not necessarily innocent
explanations, but explanations that don't necessarily mean that he's directly involved in the Route
twenty nine stalker case remains to be seen. Okay, So now that we
have worked backward and we've covered the cases that are not Route twenty nine Stalker,
we are finally going to get to the cases that probably are, but
we're still not sure if they're connected. Anyway. We will continue our conversation
about the unsolved crimes along Route twenty nine in our next episode, so stay
tuned. Thank you so much for listening to this episode of mind Ever Murder.
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