WEBVTT 1 00:00:02.640 --> 00:00:07.679 This is I on the Ball with Steve Rivera and Jay Gonzalez on Fox Sports 2 00:00:07.719 --> 00:00:14.439 fourteen fifty powered by Nova Insurance Services and Sure Your Most Prized Possessions kat z 3 00:00:14.759 --> 00:00:20.320 R two SA and iHeartRadio Station. Good afternoon, everybody, welcome to I 4 00:00:20.480 --> 00:00:23.960 on the Ball here on Fox Sports fourteen fifteen. I'm Steve Riverta, He's 5 00:00:24.039 --> 00:00:27.160 Jagan Zauaz. We've got our boys sit in today, so it could be 6 00:00:27.160 --> 00:00:30.399 a good show. I would love to talk about We're gonna talk. We 7 00:00:30.480 --> 00:00:34.560 continue to talk about the football situation. New coach Brenton Brennan. He was 8 00:00:34.560 --> 00:00:36.840 there last night, he was there last week. The electric when he was 9 00:00:36.840 --> 00:00:42.079 announcing it was not a shock. There was a rumor, a rumor tell 10 00:00:42.079 --> 00:00:47.960 me that when he took the floor that North Fafida and team we're going to 11 00:00:48.000 --> 00:00:51.280 come out. Well, yeah, we had kind of speculated that too. 12 00:00:51.719 --> 00:00:54.920 To get to the three of them right all together. Yeah, yeah, 13 00:00:54.920 --> 00:00:57.399 we had tone and then they didn't. But they were there. They were 14 00:00:57.439 --> 00:01:00.399 there. You saw plenty of pictures of him talking today. It was a 15 00:01:00.439 --> 00:01:03.760 crazy night. I don't know if you read me, but it was so 16 00:01:04.239 --> 00:01:07.159 And we'll talk a lot about basketball because we kind of we're going to talk 17 00:01:07.159 --> 00:01:11.079 more about football with our guests today. Uh, and a lot of things. 18 00:01:11.319 --> 00:01:14.560 But let me ask you something, because did you you you when you 19 00:01:14.599 --> 00:01:17.400 do your job. I know you're not able to watch the game, watch 20 00:01:17.400 --> 00:01:22.439 the game, but you're able to see the game at points right. I 21 00:01:22.879 --> 00:01:27.079 wrote, kind of in a backhanded way, there's this team doesn't look like 22 00:01:27.120 --> 00:01:30.120 it used to look. It looks way different from what it did. And 23 00:01:30.159 --> 00:01:34.599 that's not a good thing. Yeah, that's not a good November exactly what 24 00:01:34.680 --> 00:01:38.879 I wrote. It's not the November December team we saw, passing happy, 25 00:01:38.920 --> 00:01:42.840 boom boom bro. I'm not sure what's happening. Things seemed forced, very 26 00:01:42.920 --> 00:01:48.760 much so forced and and and selfish in a one shot take it, get 27 00:01:48.760 --> 00:01:52.680 it down, get it one shot, both sides, both sides, And 28 00:01:52.719 --> 00:01:55.359 I say not maybe selfie is not the right word, but it's get the 29 00:01:55.359 --> 00:01:57.680 ball down, shoot right. It's not the past pass pass, find the 30 00:01:57.719 --> 00:02:01.959 man, open boat shoot. Yeah. And I'm it's hard to ask Tommy 31 00:02:02.120 --> 00:02:06.400 that question in a in a situation for the press comments because we need more 32 00:02:06.879 --> 00:02:12.159 sample size. But the last couple of weeks that it's just looked, it 33 00:02:12.199 --> 00:02:15.479 has looked very different. It just it doesn't seem to have the flow that 34 00:02:15.520 --> 00:02:21.400 it is exactly this team getting the way they were gets what this team needs 35 00:02:20.680 --> 00:02:25.080 needs flow. So here we are and maybe and you've been here long enough, 36 00:02:25.080 --> 00:02:30.240 and I've seen enough games, cover enough teams that the zone screws with 37 00:02:30.319 --> 00:02:36.919 people and it has it has it's always always because they're like the flow, 38 00:02:37.400 --> 00:02:42.159 and what does the zone do it It suffocates the flow. Yeah, so 39 00:02:42.199 --> 00:02:44.800 I'm good. I'm not alone seeing that. I know we in the press 40 00:02:44.840 --> 00:02:47.520 press room we're saying, yeah, this, this doesn't look this doesn't look 41 00:02:47.520 --> 00:02:52.520 the same nothing. It looks bad because we're not that bad yet. But 42 00:02:52.639 --> 00:02:55.120 it's inching too bad rather than good, right right, Yeah, no, 43 00:02:55.240 --> 00:03:00.560 I I I saw that last night and it struck me last night. You 44 00:03:00.599 --> 00:03:05.159 know, in those road games, it's like you chalk it up to your 45 00:03:05.159 --> 00:03:07.639 on the road. It's hard, it's hard to start to play on the 46 00:03:07.719 --> 00:03:12.360 road. But you know, it looked Saturday. Saturday last night looked a 47 00:03:12.360 --> 00:03:16.280 lot like Saturday. It was just choppy, stilted, kind of forced choppy. 48 00:03:16.360 --> 00:03:21.360 Yeah, just they kept usc hanging around. They could have put them 49 00:03:21.360 --> 00:03:24.599 away early, and US had its two best players sitting in street clothes street 50 00:03:25.599 --> 00:03:30.240 and I'm not going to say there's issues, but well, again, are 51 00:03:30.240 --> 00:03:37.400 they Is it a slump you know that they can get out of and it 52 00:03:37.439 --> 00:03:40.439 happens. Could it could be a slump or is there something going on, 53 00:03:42.639 --> 00:03:49.120 uh mechanically or offensively, particularly offensively that it's just kind of take them. 54 00:03:49.199 --> 00:03:54.719 They're they're not getting into any kind of rhythm or for other team's defenses, 55 00:03:54.759 --> 00:03:59.879 I don't know, or internally we're sharing the ball comes easy, yeah, 56 00:04:00.039 --> 00:04:01.639 when you share the ball, and they're not sharing the ball. And if 57 00:04:01.639 --> 00:04:05.280 they hadn't been doing it earlier in the year, you'd think okay, But 58 00:04:05.319 --> 00:04:10.080 they were, and they were playing well like that very much so in the 59 00:04:10.120 --> 00:04:12.919 past and covering the loots teams and that's all you really have to go by 60 00:04:12.960 --> 00:04:15.840 because I was there every day and Shawn's teams a little. But they didn't 61 00:04:15.840 --> 00:04:18.680 really do that. They moved, they ran, they had finally jammed and 62 00:04:18.680 --> 00:04:21.800 blah blah blah, they got on the break. This team isn't doing that. 63 00:04:23.120 --> 00:04:25.360 And if it is, it's a one man break. They do it 64 00:04:25.399 --> 00:04:29.399 every now and again, but not like they did. This is like you 65 00:04:29.439 --> 00:04:30.879 know you love this man? Yes? And do you love this woman. 66 00:04:30.959 --> 00:04:33.879 Yes, let's have fun the honeymoon, honeymoon, honeymoon, and then you 67 00:04:33.959 --> 00:04:39.360 hit the no longer when you're not exactly and here they are no longer in 68 00:04:39.399 --> 00:04:44.480 the honeymoon. But guess what they have to refine the honeymoon. They gotta 69 00:04:44.480 --> 00:04:51.319 do something because the worst thing that could possibly happen would be that, you 70 00:04:51.360 --> 00:04:57.680 know, UCLA has gotten its stuff together and they come in on Saturday and 71 00:04:57.399 --> 00:05:00.319 and do something. Yeah, I don't, Yes, you can. You 72 00:05:00.360 --> 00:05:03.399 can not at home, certainly not at home, but on the road. 73 00:05:03.800 --> 00:05:08.120 Who's on the road. There's another issue. And I've said this from the 74 00:05:08.160 --> 00:05:11.160 first week or two or whatever. That's always concerned me. And I don't 75 00:05:11.399 --> 00:05:15.160 say the other one. But Babow can't hit free throws. And I asked 76 00:05:15.160 --> 00:05:17.639 the question of Sean, he's only one of two most of the time you 77 00:05:17.720 --> 00:05:21.279 have forty is even forty percent of the shots? And is that good enough 78 00:05:21.279 --> 00:05:27.480 for you? No, because he's in a position he's gonna take the ball 79 00:05:27.519 --> 00:05:30.680 that he's gonna he's gonna get followed a lot, and people are going to 80 00:05:30.720 --> 00:05:32.839 follow on purpose. Remember one of the games he got hacking very much so. 81 00:05:33.160 --> 00:05:36.399 And let me say, and I even asked the question, I couched 82 00:05:36.399 --> 00:05:41.160 it even with Tommy. I know you've been asked this question before. Are 83 00:05:41.160 --> 00:05:45.600 you concerned about Babo's free throw shooting? And he said the same answer about 84 00:05:46.160 --> 00:05:47.920 him getting fouled. So it gets him to the double bonus and the bonus 85 00:05:47.959 --> 00:05:51.120 all that stuff. Sure, but that doesn't solve his problem of getting to 86 00:05:51.120 --> 00:05:55.319 the line and hitting shots. You lose, you lose a game by three 87 00:05:55.360 --> 00:05:59.279 points easily, it's gonna come down. He went four for ten last night. 88 00:05:59.639 --> 00:06:01.759 You hit two more, three more. It's a little more comfortable game, 89 00:06:02.079 --> 00:06:04.199 and you kind of start feeling. But he says he likes the way 90 00:06:04.199 --> 00:06:08.920 he shooting him. They're better shot. The shots didn't look better, he 91 00:06:08.959 --> 00:06:13.800 got he's putting more arc on the shots. You know last night you're a 92 00:06:13.800 --> 00:06:16.759 better driver, Jay, but you're still getting into crashes. But you're driving 93 00:06:16.800 --> 00:06:25.839 pretty well now, excellent. What you gonna say you, I get it. 94 00:06:26.639 --> 00:06:30.079 The bigger picture of Steve is that that they don't look right. No, 95 00:06:30.720 --> 00:06:32.120 that's why I brought it off. Yeah they don't. My eyes are 96 00:06:32.160 --> 00:06:34.800 your eyes, and we see the same thing. Yeah, No, they 97 00:06:34.839 --> 00:06:38.199 don't. You see did you watch? Yeah? I was there. I 98 00:06:38.240 --> 00:06:42.120 was there too. My question is whenner are we going to see uptick in 99 00:06:42.240 --> 00:06:46.079 previous playing time as well, because if follow play in games, if he's 100 00:06:46.079 --> 00:06:50.560 getting fouled, prebs is a much better feature. Sure, and that's what 101 00:06:50.600 --> 00:06:55.199 we'll see. The funny thing is a friend of mine texted me late Left 102 00:06:55.199 --> 00:07:00.000 Start early this morning said this team plays small, then a lot of dunks. 103 00:07:00.439 --> 00:07:02.759 The list will miss a lot of bunny I saw that. Didn't somebody 104 00:07:02.800 --> 00:07:06.040 have a have a stat on the number it was? It was in my 105 00:07:06.079 --> 00:07:10.560 story, but Peterson's only came up. But the seventeen out of thirty something 106 00:07:10.560 --> 00:07:13.120 like it was. It was a weird, weird number, where last week 107 00:07:13.120 --> 00:07:16.079 it was twenty out of thirty. And this team doesn't do that, and 108 00:07:16.199 --> 00:07:19.759 he said that there was one who doesn't do that. They need to finish. 109 00:07:19.959 --> 00:07:23.160 Yeah, they do, they do. And there have been a number 110 00:07:23.199 --> 00:07:26.040 of times where you're just you know, you're looking at uh at uh at 111 00:07:26.160 --> 00:07:30.720 umar bellow and you're saying, dude, dunk that you're looking grievous dunk that 112 00:07:30.879 --> 00:07:33.519 like right, like eating right, but put that thing in that and many 113 00:07:33.519 --> 00:07:36.079 times the balls is getting knocked out of their hand. Yeah, yeah, 114 00:07:36.279 --> 00:07:43.120 well, who does this remind you of U back in the day could hold 115 00:07:43.120 --> 00:07:46.959 on it Stokes, Yeah, that's not a good comparison. They they you 116 00:07:46.000 --> 00:07:50.199 know, this was a team, this was the USC team that was uh 117 00:07:50.600 --> 00:07:55.439 incredibly undermanned again with the two best players, and Boogie Allis is really really 118 00:07:55.439 --> 00:07:57.720 good. He's one of the best players in the conference. And to not 119 00:07:57.759 --> 00:08:00.839 have him in your lineup and and hang with their as owner for as long 120 00:08:00.839 --> 00:08:03.600 as they did, I I I, you know, I walked. I 121 00:08:03.879 --> 00:08:07.920 came home last night thinking that wasn't great. They won they one hand that 122 00:08:07.959 --> 00:08:11.279 you know, they weren't they were never going to lose the game. Yeah, 123 00:08:11.879 --> 00:08:16.560 but that wasn't what you were looking for last night, right, So 124 00:08:16.560 --> 00:08:20.279 so I was coming to the show not sure what I was gonna talk about 125 00:08:20.319 --> 00:08:22.639 initially, and I said, I don't want to be this guy that I 126 00:08:22.680 --> 00:08:24.560 always say that, you know, don't to the fans and to people who 127 00:08:24.600 --> 00:08:28.600 observe they win by fifteen. They win kind of handily, but not really. 128 00:08:28.879 --> 00:08:33.679 I'm thinking I'm going to complain about a double digit win on a team 129 00:08:33.720 --> 00:08:35.279 that's, you know, pretty good. And then I'm saying, because I 130 00:08:35.320 --> 00:08:39.000 criticis you know, they just this they should have been better it did it? 131 00:08:39.000 --> 00:08:43.559 Didn't. Again, you know, sometimes let's you know, let's let's 132 00:08:43.559 --> 00:08:46.799 go to the football team, right against Stanford. Yeah, you should have 133 00:08:46.840 --> 00:08:50.759 lost that game. Yeah in Colorado, Colorado, you should have lost that 134 00:08:50.799 --> 00:08:52.879 game. There were two bad teams and you went in there and played down 135 00:08:52.879 --> 00:08:56.919 to their level and you put, you know, you put, and those 136 00:08:56.919 --> 00:08:58.960 games were at risk. You survived. I'm not saying that they survived last 137 00:09:00.320 --> 00:09:03.399 because they again, they were never gonna lose the game, but they did 138 00:09:03.440 --> 00:09:07.159 not. They did not play where you would have expected them to play, 139 00:09:07.159 --> 00:09:09.519 particularly with a team that has his best players sitting on the bench. No, 140 00:09:09.519 --> 00:09:13.360 no, I agree. I agree, And one game is not gonna 141 00:09:13.360 --> 00:09:15.679 solve it. Saturday, if they kill him, I thirty, it's not 142 00:09:15.720 --> 00:09:18.960 gonna solve it because you still have that in the back of your mind that 143 00:09:18.000 --> 00:09:22.480 this is possible, right, this is possible. Okay, we'll talk more 144 00:09:22.480 --> 00:09:28.360 about all this basketball stuff. We have a pretty eclectic show today because I 145 00:09:28.440 --> 00:09:31.159 try to get Kendrea and he'll be on sometime soon. He's taking the trip 146 00:09:31.200 --> 00:09:35.519 and yeah, yeah, we're gonna get Dave Rubio. But the reason I 147 00:09:35.559 --> 00:09:37.960 wanted to have Dave Rubio is not for basketball or football or whatever. He's 148 00:09:39.000 --> 00:09:43.600 retired, and we had this conversation about Savan how it all started right right, 149 00:09:43.720 --> 00:09:46.320 how you know, the retirement stuff and you don't want to deal with 150 00:09:46.320 --> 00:09:48.759 this crap and saving blah blah blah. And now a week later, all 151 00:09:48.799 --> 00:09:52.240 this poopy hit the fan right just And one of the reasons why he left 152 00:09:52.639 --> 00:09:56.039 he didn't want to see He didn't want to deal with people poo. You 153 00:09:56.039 --> 00:09:58.799 don't want to running into poop. And he must be a happy man. 154 00:09:58.519 --> 00:10:01.879 I didn't ask him. I and talk to him and just protect each other. 155 00:10:01.080 --> 00:10:05.480 That will go how happy he is and how probably he saw this coming 156 00:10:05.519 --> 00:10:07.039 and didn't want any part of it. Yeah, yeah, no, I 157 00:10:07.279 --> 00:10:09.879 hear you. You know. It was an interesting thing too, is that, 158 00:10:11.279 --> 00:10:15.039 you know, the number of people from Mikaal who were at the press 159 00:10:15.080 --> 00:10:18.000 conference yesterday, and it's like, okay, we get it. Football pays 160 00:10:18.039 --> 00:10:20.559 the bills, so everybody's got to get out there and and you know, 161 00:10:22.000 --> 00:10:26.480 show support, be excited, you know. And I don't know if this 162 00:10:26.480 --> 00:10:28.320 is the right way to say, but kind of you know, get on 163 00:10:28.360 --> 00:10:31.039 the guy's good side, right right, And that happens most of the time, 164 00:10:31.080 --> 00:10:33.440 you know, they do because it's a family and he's part of that 165 00:10:33.480 --> 00:10:37.559 family. Yeah, because he was in the good old dish, in the 166 00:10:37.559 --> 00:10:39.639 good old dish, and then we're gonna have Clarence Farmer tracked him down. 167 00:10:39.679 --> 00:10:43.399 He's in Houston. Former U a football player, big dude, very good, 168 00:10:45.039 --> 00:10:46.080 very good running back, really good one. You know, one of 169 00:10:46.120 --> 00:10:52.080 the under under um under exposed is the right word, but sort of one 170 00:10:52.080 --> 00:10:56.279 of the underrated really good running back. Sinnares I've never had because he played 171 00:10:56.639 --> 00:11:00.240 back in the day. He had one year under under Dick Toomy and then 172 00:11:00.240 --> 00:11:05.559 he finished his career out with Macovic and you know he people. You know 173 00:11:05.559 --> 00:11:07.720 when I when I was looking up, you know, because we running a 174 00:11:07.759 --> 00:11:09.480 picture of him on our on our social media, I was looking up picture 175 00:11:09.480 --> 00:11:13.919 and you know I remember that guy being really damn good. Yeah, you 176 00:11:13.960 --> 00:11:18.879 know he was Keith when his freshman year when Arizona went up and beat USC 177 00:11:18.600 --> 00:11:24.799 uh at U s C which ended up leading to uh to uh uh Paul 178 00:11:24.799 --> 00:11:28.840 Hackett getting fired. You know, I remember walking out of that game and 179 00:11:28.879 --> 00:11:31.919 saying, guys, the good news is Arizona beat USC. The bad news 180 00:11:31.960 --> 00:11:37.000 is they're gonna fire the coach. Don't want They're gonna fire the coach and 181 00:11:37.080 --> 00:11:39.919 we needed to stand right. That's funny you say that because that happens a 182 00:11:39.919 --> 00:11:43.519 lot. Well, yeah, like I like him, he's a friend of 183 00:11:43.519 --> 00:11:46.000 mine, Steve Lavin don't wear Yeah. Yeah, Well, and like, 184 00:11:46.200 --> 00:11:50.559 uh, you know, uh, my buddy, who you asked me to 185 00:11:50.559 --> 00:11:52.919 ask Jason Johnson about the thing? You know we're talking? I say, 186 00:11:52.960 --> 00:11:54.919 I said, okay, So I asked him and he and he listened to 187 00:11:54.960 --> 00:11:58.200 it and and then we had a discussion. But it's saying basically, you 188 00:11:58.240 --> 00:12:07.799 know, to this day, Pete Carroll says that that was what turned the 189 00:12:07.879 --> 00:12:13.080 program for USC. Was that game when they came back one that won on 190 00:12:13.120 --> 00:12:16.720 that pick six and then the next year two thousand and one. I know 191 00:12:16.799 --> 00:12:20.399 that because that was a game one of the very few home games I missed 192 00:12:20.399 --> 00:12:22.600 because I went to Game one of the World Series. World Series. I'm 193 00:12:22.600 --> 00:12:26.240 listening to that on the radio October November. Yeah. Yeah. And so 194 00:12:28.320 --> 00:12:33.440 you know Pete Carroll later on and talking about about the program and how they 195 00:12:33.440 --> 00:12:37.600 went off, he he has said that game kind of turned a corner for 196 00:12:37.720 --> 00:12:41.799 them, and uh and so Jason Johnson has to answer for that as well. 197 00:12:43.639 --> 00:12:48.480 He gave us the USC Dynasty of the two thousands. Yeah, okay, 198 00:12:48.600 --> 00:12:50.240 that was fun though with Jason, So that we're gonna have these two 199 00:12:50.399 --> 00:12:54.720 on and we'll talk more. Take your calls and and and enjoy the conversation. 200 00:12:54.799 --> 00:12:56.639 Yeah, it'll be fun. Yeah, pretty fun. Look at you 201 00:12:56.639 --> 00:12:58.960 know, let's see how David's doing. You know, I'm gonna tell you 202 00:13:00.080 --> 00:13:03.559 attention to what what was going on in softball. He's out there. He's 203 00:13:03.559 --> 00:13:05.600 out there coaching. You know, I don't know if you've seen it. 204 00:13:05.840 --> 00:13:09.799 You follow him on social media. He's out there, you know, doing 205 00:13:09.799 --> 00:13:13.679 some clubs and going to schools and stuff like that. So he's he's staying 206 00:13:13.679 --> 00:13:16.200 busy. I'm sure you know, these guys who retired don't really retire. 207 00:13:16.240 --> 00:13:20.960 Yeah, and he's he's the youthful kind of guy. So but you know, 208 00:13:22.080 --> 00:13:26.639 you know, getting back to change, getting back to the last they 209 00:13:26.720 --> 00:13:31.960 kept showing guys on the screen who weren't guys on the screen Jam Joiner. 210 00:13:31.039 --> 00:13:37.399 That was, Oh yeah, you're wondering, no wonder, Noah might leave. 211 00:13:39.080 --> 00:13:41.879 Yeah, for those that weren't there, Jami Joiner was showed on the 212 00:13:41.919 --> 00:13:46.080 big screen and they called him be John Robinson, so that that k D 213 00:13:46.279 --> 00:13:50.159 also didn't seem thrilled to be on the big board. He didn't what was 214 00:13:50.159 --> 00:13:52.159 he here for anyway? He was like, what am I doing here? 215 00:13:52.480 --> 00:13:58.840 If they came down to see Yeah, okay, he was pretty good, 216 00:13:58.679 --> 00:14:01.759 but I thought he was much better. I read I had read before the 217 00:14:01.799 --> 00:14:05.840 game that he was over fourteen in his last three games, and I just 218 00:14:05.919 --> 00:14:09.120 jokingly leaned over to the guys at the table and said, hey, you 219 00:14:09.159 --> 00:14:11.919 know, what's thee over under on whether he hits a field goal today? 220 00:14:11.919 --> 00:14:18.080 And like a couple of minutes in card so he looked better than I expected, 221 00:14:18.159 --> 00:14:20.600 and he kept them in the game. And again it might be a 222 00:14:20.639 --> 00:14:24.159 game that he maybe first game and he sort of gets into it, you 223 00:14:24.200 --> 00:14:26.639 know, got got got into more of the rhythm. Did you see his 224 00:14:26.720 --> 00:14:31.039 dad's stuff? Oh yeah, when he was in the locker room. Yeah, 225 00:14:31.120 --> 00:14:33.600 yeah, that was funny. He's watching he's doing the interviews and watching 226 00:14:33.639 --> 00:14:39.039 the game at the same time. That was fine. Yeah, all right, 227 00:14:39.159 --> 00:14:41.919 let's take a break. David Rubio coming up. We'll just see how 228 00:14:41.919 --> 00:14:45.399 his retirement is going and see what he thinks of all this mess that goes 229 00:14:45.440 --> 00:14:48.519 on when a coach has to come into a new program. So stick around 230 00:14:48.559 --> 00:14:50.039 for all that, and then we've got Clarence Farmer in the second In the 231 00:14:50.080 --> 00:15:01.759 second half, we'll be make the right choice for your home when it comes 232 00:15:01.799 --> 00:15:05.279 to windows and doors. For more than twenty years, the Window Depot has 233 00:15:05.320 --> 00:15:09.480 provided the best price and biggest inventory on in stock windows and doors. The 234 00:15:09.519 --> 00:15:13.960 Window Depot is open to the public, so whether you're a homeowner or a 235 00:15:13.000 --> 00:15:16.919 contractor, you can shop the enormous warehouse. 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I mean, iHeartRadio app. This is I on the Ball with 305 00:20:12.720 --> 00:20:19.759 Steve Rivera and Jay Gonzalez on Fox Sports fourteen fifty. Funny years I heard 306 00:20:19.759 --> 00:20:25.160 the same thing. Hey, welcome back to my I in the Ball here 307 00:20:25.160 --> 00:20:27.440 on Fox Sports fourteen fifty. I'm Steve Rivera, He's Jacon Zalis and on 308 00:20:27.480 --> 00:20:33.240 the phone we have Dave Rubio, former U of a volleyball coach. Dave, 309 00:20:33.279 --> 00:20:37.720 how are you fantastic? Thank you good, good good. Hey. 310 00:20:37.720 --> 00:20:40.480 We wanted to touch base with you a while back. But I'm sure you 311 00:20:40.519 --> 00:20:45.880 saw that mister coach Saban decided to retire and and we're thinking, hmm, 312 00:20:45.960 --> 00:20:51.000 canrea you you guys must be smiling, thinking, yeah, we knew about 313 00:20:51.000 --> 00:20:53.680 this nil stuff, all these troubled things, and we beat you to the 314 00:20:53.680 --> 00:21:00.440 punch. Yeah. Yeah, it doesn't surprise me that coach Savings stepped down, 315 00:21:00.519 --> 00:21:04.559 and uh, you know, it's just it gets the point where the 316 00:21:04.599 --> 00:21:08.359 guys have been in the business for so long, just it's kind of an 317 00:21:08.440 --> 00:21:12.839 uptill battle dealing with all these aspects that they didn't have to deal with five 318 00:21:12.920 --> 00:21:15.920 years ago. Yeah, well, you know what you're thinking about. You 319 00:21:15.920 --> 00:21:21.160 know what you know the trickle down that that happened, uh with Jedfish leaving 320 00:21:21.240 --> 00:21:25.559 here, he goes to Washington after they get Kaylen de Borr. Now Arizona 321 00:21:25.559 --> 00:21:26.839 had to feel a job and you know, you got a new guy down 322 00:21:26.880 --> 00:21:30.839 here. But so there's so much more on now that goes into you know, 323 00:21:30.880 --> 00:21:34.160 taking over a new program, right. I mean, Brent Brannan is 324 00:21:34.160 --> 00:21:37.119 here, he's got to he's got to get a staff together, he's got 325 00:21:37.160 --> 00:21:40.720 to you know, all that stuff. But now he's also got to figure 326 00:21:40.759 --> 00:21:44.720 out how to get his players to stay, which is something that you know, 327 00:21:44.720 --> 00:21:47.400 you always met with the guys right or your your players, but you 328 00:21:47.400 --> 00:21:49.240 didn't have to go get the money or whatever it is that they've got to 329 00:21:49.279 --> 00:21:52.759 do now. I mean, can you imagine having to work in that that 330 00:21:52.799 --> 00:21:57.359 whole thing. Now, Well, it's always been a complicated, you know 331 00:21:57.799 --> 00:22:03.799 job, and every year it seems to get more complicated. But as soon 332 00:22:03.839 --> 00:22:07.559 as we started to recruit our own players to stay in the program, and 333 00:22:07.680 --> 00:22:11.200 when I started to really question whether or I wanted to stay in it, 334 00:22:11.400 --> 00:22:15.759 and you know, it's like every year you're trying, you're afraid to push 335 00:22:15.759 --> 00:22:19.839 the guys to the point where they become upset with you. They started to 336 00:22:19.839 --> 00:22:23.400 take it personally, and then you're worried about losing your best players, you 337 00:22:23.440 --> 00:22:29.960 know. And so the whole paradigm of coaching in our generation has changed, 338 00:22:30.039 --> 00:22:32.839 and I think for the player, for the coaches to come in, the 339 00:22:32.960 --> 00:22:36.759 young coaches, they just don't know any different, you know, and so 340 00:22:36.880 --> 00:22:40.839 they just, you know, make the adjustments a lot easier than guys who 341 00:22:40.960 --> 00:22:44.000 have been in the vision for twenty thirty years. You were in it for 342 00:22:44.279 --> 00:22:48.079 close to thirty, if not more, all Longe, Yeah, thirty one 343 00:22:48.119 --> 00:22:52.039 years. And this may be this might be the difficult question you can answer 344 00:22:52.079 --> 00:22:55.480 if you'd like. But at some point, you know, it's a job. 345 00:22:55.519 --> 00:22:57.480 It's obviously worked, but you enjoy it. At some point along the 346 00:22:57.519 --> 00:23:02.240 way, did it become more of like a job that you said, God, 347 00:23:02.359 --> 00:23:06.559 you don't want I'm not sure about this. Well, you know, 348 00:23:06.640 --> 00:23:08.920 it's like, you know, I was in at the front end of Title 349 00:23:10.000 --> 00:23:12.000 nine for the women's sports, you know, so the seventies and eighties and 350 00:23:12.119 --> 00:23:17.200 nineties, and so that's when kind of the Golden Era for US, and 351 00:23:17.240 --> 00:23:21.160 certainly there are zona things were just so different than as we got in the 352 00:23:21.200 --> 00:23:25.599 two thousands and mid two thousands and late two thousands, things really started to 353 00:23:25.680 --> 00:23:30.920 change and evolved. Student athlete and empowerment became a big deal, and you 354 00:23:30.920 --> 00:23:37.279 know, the whole dynamic of coaching changed and it just didn't become as enjoyable. 355 00:23:37.400 --> 00:23:41.079 You know, the things that you really like to do were became much 356 00:23:41.279 --> 00:23:45.319 less and the things that you didn't like to do it became a lot more. 357 00:23:45.920 --> 00:23:48.240 You know, you mentioned, you know how now you have to recruit 358 00:23:48.279 --> 00:23:52.319 your own players pretty much all the time, right, you know, not 359 00:23:52.319 --> 00:23:56.319 not just during recruiting, you know, season, but you know, all 360 00:23:56.359 --> 00:24:00.079 the time. It seems like it what's the hardest thing about that? And 361 00:24:00.200 --> 00:24:03.960 you know, is it approaching a player just to kind of get a sense 362 00:24:03.960 --> 00:24:06.880 of where they are? You know? Do you hear stuff and then you 363 00:24:06.880 --> 00:24:10.960 go talk to somebody? How how is a coach do you work that whole 364 00:24:11.480 --> 00:24:15.400 angle of trying to make sure that your players are solid with you? Well, 365 00:24:15.480 --> 00:24:18.279 that's it. That's that's a good point, you know, and I 366 00:24:18.319 --> 00:24:25.599 think the assistant coaches roles become critical in your ability to keep their players and 367 00:24:25.640 --> 00:24:27.559 your program. And they're the ones who are on the front lines that the 368 00:24:27.640 --> 00:24:32.720 kids will go to the assistant coaches and confide in them long before they will 369 00:24:32.759 --> 00:24:37.039 go to the head coaches. And so the assistants have to communicate with the 370 00:24:37.079 --> 00:24:41.200 head coaches and start to plant the seeds of saying, hey, why don't 371 00:24:41.200 --> 00:24:44.200 you start to go out the coffee with this player, you know, establish 372 00:24:44.279 --> 00:24:48.279 a better relationship with them. You need to talk about things other than the 373 00:24:48.319 --> 00:24:53.240 sport and start to really pay attention to things outside of the football life or 374 00:24:53.319 --> 00:24:57.000 out of the sport life. And that's the key now, the key is 375 00:24:57.039 --> 00:25:03.119 developing. It's always been a relationship building business, but even more so now. 376 00:25:03.319 --> 00:25:07.680 And so there's a certain percentage of kids that are really looking for that. 377 00:25:07.160 --> 00:25:11.160 And then a lot of the players, this is playing time issues, 378 00:25:11.200 --> 00:25:15.480 you know, so they're just looking for another opportunity to maybe have a better 379 00:25:15.480 --> 00:25:21.200 opportunity to play somewhere else. And I don't call if anyone for leaving because 380 00:25:21.240 --> 00:25:23.960 of those reasons. I've always said that some of the best players, if 381 00:25:23.960 --> 00:25:26.960 not the best players, like to be coached. They don't mind being coached. 382 00:25:29.240 --> 00:25:30.839 And here you are or coaches, you know, just coaches in general 383 00:25:32.000 --> 00:25:36.240 who have to right walk that fine line of getting on the players yet not 384 00:25:36.319 --> 00:25:38.240 getting on the players enough where they get you know, oh he's mad at 385 00:25:38.240 --> 00:25:42.640 me. Yeah, that's that's a that's a tough one now, you know. 386 00:25:42.680 --> 00:25:48.920 And it's like it's something that I struggled with, and especially towards the 387 00:25:48.000 --> 00:25:52.599 end of my career. You know, when COVID happened in twenty twenty, 388 00:25:52.640 --> 00:25:56.960 everything changed for us for volleyball and for me specifically and trying to trying to 389 00:25:57.079 --> 00:26:03.240 learn another use had of skills to be able to communicate with my players better, 390 00:26:03.400 --> 00:26:07.319 to build that better relationship. And so it was just a struggle for 391 00:26:07.400 --> 00:26:11.160 me, you know, and I just knew it was time for me personally 392 00:26:11.200 --> 00:26:15.640 to get out. I was just not very effective in my leadership and just 393 00:26:15.680 --> 00:26:18.960 felt like it would be better served for the program and for the institution of 394 00:26:18.960 --> 00:26:22.039 a fight set aside. You know. One of the interesting things about this 395 00:26:22.079 --> 00:26:25.960 week, and we were at the at the press conference yesterday with Brent Brannan, 396 00:26:26.079 --> 00:26:29.759 was everybody was there. I Mean it was like the whole McHale building, 397 00:26:30.240 --> 00:26:33.000 you know, came in there and you know, for the football coach, 398 00:26:33.079 --> 00:26:34.400 right obviously you know, they're the ones that pay the bills, so 399 00:26:36.039 --> 00:26:37.359 you have to show support. But you you were, you were, You 400 00:26:37.720 --> 00:26:42.599 went through a few football coaching changes here, you know what what were the 401 00:26:42.799 --> 00:26:45.440 what were those likes? I went through a lot of changes in the thirty 402 00:26:45.480 --> 00:26:49.039 one years, you know what, what were the what were those like in 403 00:26:49.119 --> 00:26:55.359 terms of how did those reverber How did a foot particularly football coaching change reverberate 404 00:26:55.440 --> 00:27:00.319 sort of through the fletic department and through McHale, well only hope springs eternal. 405 00:27:00.720 --> 00:27:03.200 You know. That's the thing. I mean, football is such a 406 00:27:03.240 --> 00:27:07.240 big deal and that I think the thing that disappoints me the most with Judd 407 00:27:08.039 --> 00:27:14.839 leaving is that the promise of next year and the years of follow was partasically 408 00:27:14.880 --> 00:27:18.799 the greatest time ever for Arizona football. You know, every I bet you 409 00:27:18.880 --> 00:27:22.559 every game would have been sold out next year, you know, and I 410 00:27:22.559 --> 00:27:27.319 mean it was just that's a great opportunity, and I was I really felt 411 00:27:27.599 --> 00:27:32.160 Jeded was a little disingenuous and leaving, you know, And that's easy for 412 00:27:32.200 --> 00:27:33.799 me to say, I'm not getting paid, you know, maybe twice as 413 00:27:33.839 --> 00:27:37.920 much as he would have been paid. But you know, he came in 414 00:27:37.960 --> 00:27:41.359 and saying, look, I'm I've moved too many times and I'm not looking 415 00:27:41.400 --> 00:27:45.279 to move even if we're successful. I'm going to stay here and build this 416 00:27:45.359 --> 00:27:48.319 program. And you know, now he leaves out to three years and a 417 00:27:48.480 --> 00:27:52.440 great season. It's like everything you said you just questioned whether or notlready meant 418 00:27:52.440 --> 00:27:55.440 any of it. And of course I'm certainly not giving you the benefit of 419 00:27:55.559 --> 00:27:57.640 doubt. I would tell you this though, which is interesting. You know, 420 00:27:57.680 --> 00:28:02.480 my daughter plays on the beach team for volleyball, and she just shared 421 00:28:02.519 --> 00:28:07.799 with this with me last week, and she was really bummed when she heard 422 00:28:07.839 --> 00:28:11.680 about jet leaving and she said, you know, they have you know, 423 00:28:11.759 --> 00:28:15.720 this kind of breakfast opportunity of a bear. Now we'll kitchen every single morning, 424 00:28:15.119 --> 00:28:21.559 and she said, the players absolutely love playing for Jetfish says we would 425 00:28:21.599 --> 00:28:25.920 drive up the elevator with the football guys and they just loved playing here. 426 00:28:26.039 --> 00:28:30.039 The culture was great, the assistants were great. They never had anything bad 427 00:28:30.079 --> 00:28:36.480 to say about the football program, which is amazing to me. I mean, 428 00:28:36.519 --> 00:28:42.480 that tells that tells me that Jetfish really understands the dynamics and has figured 429 00:28:42.519 --> 00:28:47.000 out the code on how to connect with these kids. And that's why in 430 00:28:47.039 --> 00:28:49.440 such a short period of time. He did such a great job here and 431 00:28:49.640 --> 00:28:53.000 if you go look back as you were here for all those changes, he's 432 00:28:53.039 --> 00:28:57.440 the first coach to ever go on his own. Yeah, I mean yeah, 433 00:28:57.480 --> 00:29:00.920 everybody else say you're right. I mean, yeah, you're I mean, 434 00:29:00.480 --> 00:29:07.039 I mean we had Macovic after after Dick, right, and I think 435 00:29:07.079 --> 00:29:10.759 it was and then Mike Stoops, and then it was Ritch Trod, and 436 00:29:10.759 --> 00:29:18.319 then it was what's his name? That guy, that guy and someone someone, 437 00:29:18.440 --> 00:29:22.519 and then and then you know, and so I was, you know, 438 00:29:22.680 --> 00:29:25.200 I didn't know who Jed was, and I really wanted Brent. I 439 00:29:25.240 --> 00:29:26.599 mean, I really want to brand brand. I thought you was the guy. 440 00:29:26.960 --> 00:29:32.720 And I'm really happy for him and for us, and now we're just 441 00:29:33.400 --> 00:29:36.839 you know, keeping our fingers crossed and everything works out, all right. 442 00:29:36.880 --> 00:29:37.960 So are you a fan? Are you? Are you in town? Do 443 00:29:37.960 --> 00:29:41.839 you? Did you go to football games this last year? And yeah, 444 00:29:41.000 --> 00:29:45.839 yeah, I'm a season ticket hold of for football and I'm a huge fan. 445 00:29:45.920 --> 00:29:48.599 I mean, I'm an Arizona guy. So I live here, my 446 00:29:48.640 --> 00:29:52.720 family lives here, and my kids are still in high school. My daughter 447 00:29:52.799 --> 00:29:56.559 obviously is an Arizona for playing beach volleyball. But you know, my life 448 00:29:56.640 --> 00:30:02.079 is here in Tucson except when I'm in San die surfing. So we had 449 00:30:02.920 --> 00:30:06.160 Andy opus on when all this started to and you know, Andy, mister 450 00:30:06.160 --> 00:30:08.880 story teller. We love him just as like we love you. But he's 451 00:30:08.880 --> 00:30:12.319 talking about you know, nowadays, and we're gonna talk about what you're doing 452 00:30:12.319 --> 00:30:15.039 now, but the kids getting agents. No, we talked about the sports 453 00:30:15.039 --> 00:30:19.960 psychologists getting agents at fifteen sixteen and doing all these things. How times have 454 00:30:21.079 --> 00:30:23.079 changed? Right? What are you teaching? What? What age are you 455 00:30:23.160 --> 00:30:26.960 teaching now? And you have to deal with And I said, the worst 456 00:30:26.000 --> 00:30:29.279 thing that happened to kids or parents, So I'm sure you have to deal 457 00:30:29.319 --> 00:30:33.480 with that, right right. You know, I'm I'm My focus in the 458 00:30:33.599 --> 00:30:37.319 chapter that's opened up to me now is I'm coaching six, seventh and eighth 459 00:30:37.359 --> 00:30:42.480 players. You know, that's been great for my own soul and to give 460 00:30:42.559 --> 00:30:48.079 back to the community of that age group. And so I'm really kind of 461 00:30:48.079 --> 00:30:52.640 in an nuque situation because I'm just really clinics and the parents think I'm you 462 00:30:52.640 --> 00:30:56.440 know, I'm terrific, and so I'm not coaching a team. I'm just 463 00:30:56.559 --> 00:31:03.039 doing clinics that I think that's way to go. And I'm helping a couple 464 00:31:03.000 --> 00:31:07.200 of clubs in town, one being a Zone of Volleyball club, and so 465 00:31:07.240 --> 00:31:11.480 I'm really pretty busy with coaching. But they're all younger kids, and I 466 00:31:11.480 --> 00:31:15.880 haven't had really any bad experiences with the parents so far. One would just 467 00:31:15.920 --> 00:31:21.720 wait. Team. Well, you said, you mentioned off air that you've 468 00:31:21.759 --> 00:31:26.559 got a league that you've put together, a youth league that you're running in 469 00:31:26.839 --> 00:31:29.559 you know, periods over over the course of the year, and you're out 470 00:31:29.559 --> 00:31:32.240 at Sporting Chance right now. Tell us a little bit about what all that 471 00:31:32.359 --> 00:31:33.880 is and if you want, you know, how people can get involved in 472 00:31:33.880 --> 00:31:38.440 that. Well, volleyball in the town is exploding, I mean, just 473 00:31:38.480 --> 00:31:42.319 like kind of women's sports in general, right and and and all the sports 474 00:31:42.359 --> 00:31:48.799 are are really gaining in popularity in our town. And Tucson Club, Cactus 475 00:31:48.839 --> 00:31:52.559 Juniors and Zone Volleyball Club and a couple of other smaller clubs. But there's 476 00:31:52.599 --> 00:31:56.799 a lot of youth playing in the sixth, seventh and eighth grade level. 477 00:31:56.279 --> 00:32:01.680 And so I'm I am doing small little league here Tuesdays and Thursdays. That's 478 00:32:01.720 --> 00:32:07.359 forty chants from five to four o'clock to five thirty and I run that on 479 00:32:07.400 --> 00:32:10.519 a four week cycle and then start over again. And I run a few 480 00:32:10.519 --> 00:32:14.960 clinics here and if anybody's interested, they can, you know, get into 481 00:32:15.000 --> 00:32:19.519 contact with me at my website at a David Rubio barbellcamp dot com. And 482 00:32:20.319 --> 00:32:22.759 I got plenty of business. I'm completely sold out every single one. So 483 00:32:23.400 --> 00:32:27.960 it's been really really fun for me to stay involved in the community. So 484 00:32:28.599 --> 00:32:30.440 I'm going to give you the ability to be the NC Douable League commissioner. 485 00:32:30.519 --> 00:32:35.440 If that's the guy that I have to ask or give you the guy how 486 00:32:35.480 --> 00:32:40.880 do you fix ANIL or can you? Well, I tell you, I 487 00:32:40.880 --> 00:32:46.400 don't know. I haven't thought about the NIL as much as I thought. 488 00:32:46.480 --> 00:32:52.559 I think about the whole reset of athletics and my solution for that. And 489 00:32:52.680 --> 00:32:57.680 I heard Greg Byrne on a podcast with a father, Bill Burn, and 490 00:32:58.359 --> 00:33:02.759 Greg talked about it. I think coach Kelly at UCLA talked about it. 491 00:33:04.119 --> 00:33:07.359 They need to completely remove football from the equation. Football needs to be kind 492 00:33:07.359 --> 00:33:10.440 of its own entity now and have their own commission and own set of rules. 493 00:33:10.720 --> 00:33:16.559 Still represents institutions, but that needs to be three different tiers of football 494 00:33:16.720 --> 00:33:25.039 and then all the other sports need to go back to regional competition. And 495 00:33:25.119 --> 00:33:30.119 so the fact that we're flying three time zones away is crazy. You know, 496 00:33:30.160 --> 00:33:32.319 it's evolved. It wasn't a way to stop it. But there's going 497 00:33:32.400 --> 00:33:36.720 to be a reset at some point. It just can't do what they're going 498 00:33:36.799 --> 00:33:38.640 to do. And it's I don't know when it's going to happen, but 499 00:33:39.480 --> 00:33:44.599 you know, from my standpoint, this is not good for the student athletes. 500 00:33:45.079 --> 00:33:47.519 And at the end of the day, I think it's going to implode. 501 00:33:49.200 --> 00:33:52.160 The NIL is going to help it. It's gonna maybe it's gonna accelerate 502 00:33:52.240 --> 00:33:53.960 it. You know, I don't know, but you heard what the proposal 503 00:33:54.160 --> 00:33:59.839 is for the inst by the new NCAA president. Right, the thirty thousand 504 00:33:59.839 --> 00:34:02.440 dollars a year or half the student body, right, I mean that's just 505 00:34:02.599 --> 00:34:08.199 crazy. I mean that's just everyone else is going to become a club sport 506 00:34:08.480 --> 00:34:12.679 and you're just gonna have five or six out of the sports they're gonna respond 507 00:34:12.719 --> 00:34:15.880 to. Fancy. That's the way that's lection that's going. So so let 508 00:34:15.960 --> 00:34:19.719 me let me ask you again. You just said it. So everyone's talking 509 00:34:19.719 --> 00:34:22.159 about, Okay, the football is going to do what they do go across 510 00:34:22.199 --> 00:34:25.280 country and the and the the sports that you covered, the softballs, the 511 00:34:25.599 --> 00:34:30.559 volleyballs, the the minor sports, the Olympic sports are going to suffer because 512 00:34:30.559 --> 00:34:32.639 they have to travel the distance too, So that would have been bad as 513 00:34:32.679 --> 00:34:35.960 well. That's going to be bad. Yes, that's what you're saying, 514 00:34:36.079 --> 00:34:38.599 no question, No, I mean you just can't think that. I mean 515 00:34:38.679 --> 00:34:43.039 traveling from west to east. You guys have all done that, right, 516 00:34:43.119 --> 00:34:45.880 three different time zones and then traveling back, and that's just it's crazy that 517 00:34:45.960 --> 00:34:51.280 they think that that student athlete that's going to benefit them academic socially. That's 518 00:34:51.320 --> 00:34:54.280 not it's not any mean, athletically, not a chance. Yeah, another 519 00:34:54.320 --> 00:34:59.440 burden for the coaches. Yeah, exactly, exactly. Well, lucky, 520 00:34:59.719 --> 00:35:02.679 lucky, what you're doing, what you're doing, you got I'm loving it, 521 00:35:02.800 --> 00:35:07.519 and I certainly have an opinion about all that stuff, and I'm just 522 00:35:07.599 --> 00:35:09.280 glad I'm on the outside looking in. Well that's why we have you on 523 00:35:09.360 --> 00:35:13.000 the show. Exactly. Thank you, all right, man, go teach 524 00:35:13.039 --> 00:35:15.760 those little kids some good habits. Man. Well do thanks you guys. 525 00:35:15.760 --> 00:35:20.639 I appreciate its, David appreciate it. That's exactly what I wanted to hear 526 00:35:20.679 --> 00:35:22.480 from him. Yeah, yeah, and you know, and and again a 527 00:35:22.519 --> 00:35:27.840 guy who's been there and is you know, smart guy who can I you 528 00:35:27.920 --> 00:35:29.960 know, and as he was talking about that, you know, just separate 529 00:35:30.000 --> 00:35:31.800 football. Yeah, let it continue to pay the bills, but separate. 530 00:35:31.960 --> 00:35:35.599 Let it be its on entity and then everybody else go back to playing within 531 00:35:35.679 --> 00:35:38.639 your region and your conferences and stuff. And Jay go back to that. 532 00:35:38.920 --> 00:35:43.039 It's so good of an idea. It'll never happen. Happen, yeah, 533 00:35:43.280 --> 00:35:46.360 yeah, but it could happen. It's a good idea. Yeah, maybe 534 00:35:46.440 --> 00:35:50.719 something it would be. It could be. All right, let's take our 535 00:35:50.760 --> 00:35:53.480 next break. We'll take your phone calls five T zero four one, six 536 00:35:53.559 --> 00:35:59.760 seventy four forty we'll be right back. If you're an Arizona men's basketball fan, 537 00:35:59.880 --> 00:36:01.960 you know it's been successful for nearly forty years. Now. Take a 538 00:36:02.039 --> 00:36:06.159 look back at the Loudolsen era in my new book, Lessons from Loot. 539 00:36:06.239 --> 00:36:07.840 It was a labor of love through the eyes of twenty five former players, 540 00:36:07.960 --> 00:36:12.519 coaches, and friends to give insight to the coach and the man who led 541 00:36:12.559 --> 00:36:15.000 them, competed against them, and inspired them. Twenty five chapters for his 542 00:36:15.079 --> 00:36:20.440 twenty five years as Arizona's beloved coach. Lessons from Loot is an insight to 543 00:36:20.519 --> 00:36:24.119 how he built the program into a national powerhouse. 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If 576 00:38:46.159 --> 00:38:49.280 you have twelve minutes, if you guys want to give us a quick call. 577 00:38:49.679 --> 00:38:51.760 You know, we got a caller two over the break, so if 578 00:38:51.800 --> 00:38:53.199 you want to call that, that'd be great. Uh. Good to talk 579 00:38:53.239 --> 00:38:58.039 to Dave out for some perspective. He sounds great, sounds like he's doing 580 00:38:58.119 --> 00:39:00.079 well. You not haveing any issues with you? Tirement, he says, 581 00:39:00.360 --> 00:39:04.480 I'm here unless I'm surfing in San Diego. So there you go. Very 582 00:39:04.559 --> 00:39:07.079 nice, very nice. I'll retire and on a Thursday, you know, 583 00:39:07.760 --> 00:39:12.280 pass on a Monday. Yeah, don't don't let that happen. Don't let 584 00:39:12.360 --> 00:39:16.719 that. I didn't say which monday, Okay, it'll be the one where 585 00:39:16.719 --> 00:39:21.199 I was right out of money. Okay, No cool. So anybody want 586 00:39:21.199 --> 00:39:24.559 to call five two oh four one six seventy. We'd like to hear from 587 00:39:24.559 --> 00:39:28.719 you. Again a women's team. Do they play tonight? Do they play 588 00:39:28.840 --> 00:39:32.159 anytime soon? Tomorrow? Tomorrow? Okay, they're up in the Washington School. 589 00:39:32.800 --> 00:39:37.480 Okay, you get that call. Let's take this call. Hi, 590 00:39:37.559 --> 00:39:42.039 you're on the aaron I and the Ball. Hey, guys, doing good? 591 00:39:42.039 --> 00:39:49.119 Who's this James? James? What's up? I want to talk about 592 00:39:49.239 --> 00:39:54.440 Jed Fish and the fact he's had on this town and this program. Okay, 593 00:39:54.639 --> 00:40:00.159 go, let's hear it. I see it as all good. Took 594 00:40:00.159 --> 00:40:07.280 a program that was in the bottom of the garbage can, just some terrible, 595 00:40:07.480 --> 00:40:12.800 terrible shake I don't know how to get worse, and in three years 596 00:40:12.880 --> 00:40:15.800 he brought it to a point where they had one of the best two or 597 00:40:15.920 --> 00:40:22.119 three seasons they've ever had. And then and then he got an offer to 598 00:40:22.480 --> 00:40:30.440 better his family and himself. And I see no reason at all to fault 599 00:40:30.559 --> 00:40:35.079 him for that. Anybody else would have done the same thing. And so 600 00:40:37.039 --> 00:40:45.280 we now have probably the right coat, a guy that's been here and has 601 00:40:45.400 --> 00:40:50.679 ties here and has done a good job where he's been at San Diego State, 602 00:40:51.719 --> 00:40:55.840 and people here are anxious for him to come and get started. Yeah. 603 00:40:55.880 --> 00:41:00.760 I think your observation is accurate, except for the the way he left. 604 00:41:00.039 --> 00:41:04.400 I think that's the one thing that everyone is good. Well I shouldn't 605 00:41:04.400 --> 00:41:06.679 say everyone. There's a lot of people who are pissed. Well, you 606 00:41:06.719 --> 00:41:09.519 know, Dave Ruby is a good word, disingenuous, and they Jim. 607 00:41:09.559 --> 00:41:13.920 I don't think, you know, myself included. I don't think people have 608 00:41:14.000 --> 00:41:16.360 a problem with him taking the job. I think that people had a problem 609 00:41:16.440 --> 00:41:22.679 with the fact that he was selling loyalty and commitment and community and all these 610 00:41:22.760 --> 00:41:25.840 things, you know, when all the time he was waiting for the next 611 00:41:25.880 --> 00:41:29.719 big job to come along so we could leave. That's the part. That's 612 00:41:29.760 --> 00:41:31.559 what people have said about it. You Jay, you don't know that he 613 00:41:31.760 --> 00:41:36.559 was waiting all the time for the next job. Okay, then let me 614 00:41:36.599 --> 00:41:39.400 say it this way. He took the first great job that came came his 615 00:41:39.559 --> 00:41:43.000 way. He jumped. He jumped at the first thing that came up, 616 00:41:43.840 --> 00:41:46.239 you know, either way, you know, those are the facts. That's 617 00:41:46.440 --> 00:41:51.159 that's a fact, is that he was selling that and then a great job 618 00:41:51.239 --> 00:41:52.599 came up and he took off, you know, the first chance he got. 619 00:41:52.679 --> 00:41:58.559 So that's the part. It's not you or I or anybody else is 620 00:41:58.599 --> 00:42:00.519 going to take a three million dollar raised, of course we are, you 621 00:42:00.599 --> 00:42:05.719 absolutely are, but you know, don't sell me that you're here. Two 622 00:42:05.800 --> 00:42:07.679 weeks ago on Jim Romes show, he said, I don't want I there's 623 00:42:07.719 --> 00:42:10.880 not anywhere else I want to go. I'm here, and then he was 624 00:42:10.920 --> 00:42:15.039 gone. So that's what people have said about, not that he took a 625 00:42:15.119 --> 00:42:19.239 job. You right, anybody else in a job, you're you're always looking 626 00:42:19.280 --> 00:42:22.079 towards a promotion or the next job or whatever. So that's not the issue. 627 00:42:22.119 --> 00:42:25.679 I think the issue was that he sold out. He sold this community 628 00:42:27.199 --> 00:42:31.719 chronicle all the pocracy that goes on in the world today. At that level, 629 00:42:32.880 --> 00:42:37.719 I mean that that would be a full jive time job for forty people. 630 00:42:37.960 --> 00:42:39.400 Well, James, we're not talking about anybody else. We're talking about 631 00:42:39.559 --> 00:42:45.280 Jenny. He let me say, let me just say this between before you 632 00:42:45.440 --> 00:42:47.519 two guys, two things can be right at the same time. They could 633 00:42:47.559 --> 00:42:51.079 be accurate at the same time. Jim, your point is made. I 634 00:42:51.280 --> 00:42:54.239 totally agree with you that people and fans should enjoy the moment. If he 635 00:42:54.320 --> 00:42:58.920 had a great time, that it was at the worst time two three years 636 00:42:58.920 --> 00:43:02.000 ago. He brought it to this point and and people can be pissed because 637 00:43:02.000 --> 00:43:06.360 now he's left them with what they've what he's left them with. And then, 638 00:43:06.440 --> 00:43:10.920 Jab, I think he's left you with the perfect formula to go forward, 639 00:43:12.440 --> 00:43:14.440 well, a better a better formula, a better one. Yeah, 640 00:43:14.760 --> 00:43:16.440 you are correct. I agree with him one hundred percent when he said I 641 00:43:16.519 --> 00:43:21.679 left it in a better situation than when I got here, No doubt, 642 00:43:22.360 --> 00:43:29.280 James A positive, positive, positive for me when I look at the situation, 643 00:43:29.519 --> 00:43:35.039 and there's no reason to go back and criticize and or call him a 644 00:43:35.119 --> 00:43:40.360 liar because he's doing what it took to have continuity right up to the moments. 645 00:43:40.840 --> 00:43:45.599 As you guys were just talking to Dave about you know, you've got 646 00:43:45.679 --> 00:43:51.800 to sell your players on your program every week. Yeah, okay, James, 647 00:43:51.880 --> 00:43:54.320 thank you, thanks about And aren't you glad he went to Fafita rather 648 00:43:54.400 --> 00:43:59.639 than Jim. It's almost baseball season, man, it's almost baseball season. 649 00:44:00.159 --> 00:44:01.440 Let's go. Thank you. Thank you were taking to the call. We 650 00:44:01.480 --> 00:44:05.239 gainst a lot of times. Seven minutes five to two, four, one, 651 00:44:05.320 --> 00:44:07.920 six, seventy four forty. James is right, and you're right to 652 00:44:07.119 --> 00:44:09.519 Jay, I mean two things can be right at the same time. Yeah, 653 00:44:09.639 --> 00:44:14.039 no, you know again, and those of us who were taking it 654 00:44:14.159 --> 00:44:17.360 personal or guys people like me who've been here, been through, they've been 655 00:44:17.400 --> 00:44:22.320 through all this stuff with the football program, felt like something special could happen 656 00:44:22.440 --> 00:44:24.880 next year and then and it still could. I mean it still could. 657 00:44:25.039 --> 00:44:29.039 Right, we're waiting to see. Let me see this. I think that 658 00:44:29.519 --> 00:44:32.519 Brennan is and this could be totally wrong, is a is a better football 659 00:44:32.599 --> 00:44:37.119 mind? I bet. I think he knows he knows offense and defense more 660 00:44:37.159 --> 00:44:42.239 than Jed was more of an offensive guy. But I feel like Brennan knows 661 00:44:42.639 --> 00:44:45.480 he's a football guy, right. And that's hard for me to say. 662 00:44:45.639 --> 00:44:49.519 And I say that because Jed was kind of we said this on number of 663 00:44:49.519 --> 00:44:52.159 times. Jay he was kind of a CEO. He managed people to get 664 00:44:52.199 --> 00:44:55.079 the job done right and then call plays and then call plays. Yeah. 665 00:44:55.559 --> 00:44:59.840 So I could be wrong. Yeah, but no, I hear you, 666 00:45:00.000 --> 00:45:06.239 I hear you. Look and I'm not. I'm not. I mean, 667 00:45:06.280 --> 00:45:08.440 I I do you know? I agree? I mean, Jed left this 668 00:45:08.559 --> 00:45:12.639 place. You know? Yet last season was fun. Last season was almost 669 00:45:12.639 --> 00:45:15.960 as fun as season because for five weeks in we still didn't believe it. 670 00:45:16.000 --> 00:45:20.320 Right, Let's take this call. Hi, You're on the air and one 671 00:45:20.320 --> 00:45:24.039 on the ball. Hey, guys, how you doing. But I think 672 00:45:24.119 --> 00:45:29.079 the cool Dave Rubio said it all. He goes he's a great guy. 673 00:45:29.559 --> 00:45:32.719 Did all the players love him. But but and he wanted Brennan in the 674 00:45:32.760 --> 00:45:37.960 first place, so we all wanted him, or the people, you football 675 00:45:37.960 --> 00:45:44.760 people wanted him. But I'm ready. I'm ready for the basketball. That's 676 00:45:44.840 --> 00:45:46.760 the more pertinent thing. Now, you guys hit it on the head. 677 00:45:47.280 --> 00:45:52.599 I don't didn't watch it. It makes U c l A's game pretty big 678 00:45:52.840 --> 00:45:55.920 because you know, we're we're we're hanging out there to dry right now. 679 00:45:57.199 --> 00:46:00.519 We got to turn it around to play like we used to, just get 680 00:46:00.599 --> 00:46:04.239 better. Feel like they are on a ledge of some yeah right, yeah, 681 00:46:04.400 --> 00:46:07.880 and it's hard to pinpoint what it is. Yeah, I agree, 682 00:46:07.000 --> 00:46:09.719 yep, all right, Howard, thanks for the call. Hey, hey, 683 00:46:09.800 --> 00:46:15.960 go sons, sons are I was winning a record for twenty five years 684 00:46:15.960 --> 00:46:20.519 coming back from twenty points in the fourth quarter, right we saw that, 685 00:46:20.639 --> 00:46:28.519 Thank you, thank you for Yeah again, we got a few times. 686 00:46:28.679 --> 00:46:30.719 Do you even think about the Phoenix on a given day? No, no, 687 00:46:31.320 --> 00:46:35.719 no, none until the playoffs even and then right right when the plaffs 688 00:46:35.719 --> 00:46:37.440 get here. Yeah, you know, but right now it's like all right, 689 00:46:37.519 --> 00:46:39.920 yeah, it was like Kevin Durant last night at the and you know 690 00:46:40.079 --> 00:46:43.920 whatever, he was going hanging out, Yeah, I know if he came 691 00:46:43.960 --> 00:46:46.840 to and Miles was here too, you know, so you know, yeah, 692 00:46:47.519 --> 00:46:52.000 it was it was a star studded night. We'll have some breaking news 693 00:46:52.079 --> 00:46:57.159 later with Miles and him and k D and then the football team and Brennan 694 00:46:57.239 --> 00:47:00.440 and it was I think the introduction was and he was a normal dude being 695 00:47:00.559 --> 00:47:07.719 crazy Brittan. I wasn't. He definitely has a energetic side to a fun 696 00:47:07.880 --> 00:47:13.320 side that can maybe catch some of the guy's attention and keep him here. 697 00:47:13.400 --> 00:47:15.800 We'll see well and you can tell it. You know, it didn't take 698 00:47:15.880 --> 00:47:20.719 long or he didn't really even have to get up to speed on the on 699 00:47:20.880 --> 00:47:23.599 the buttons, you know that you push with Arizona fans are coming to the 700 00:47:23.639 --> 00:47:27.360 game last night, getting out of the court, getting the band to play 701 00:47:27.400 --> 00:47:30.880 bear down, you know all that all stuff. He gets it and that's 702 00:47:30.880 --> 00:47:34.559 what you're that's what people want. Well, you talked about it yesterday, 703 00:47:34.639 --> 00:47:37.599 Jay, because you're a two soon guy. He's Tucson, Yeah, Tucson 704 00:47:37.639 --> 00:47:42.519 without being Tucson. And that's what this is a how can I say this? 705 00:47:42.599 --> 00:47:45.639 You know people in hate Phoenix and Phoenix and people Tucson, How can 706 00:47:45.679 --> 00:47:49.079 I say this? And I helped you on that. It's like a warm 707 00:47:49.159 --> 00:47:52.599 hug, you know what I'm saying with maybe a blanket that's been used, 708 00:47:52.079 --> 00:47:54.519 tattered, but that's your favorite blanket. Well, well even you know, 709 00:47:54.800 --> 00:47:58.679 I think back to when Dick Tomy got here, right, this town didn't 710 00:47:58.679 --> 00:48:02.079 know Dick Tomy from Joe Schmoll right, and even through much of his first 711 00:48:02.119 --> 00:48:05.360 season, remember that seat it was four four and three, you know, 712 00:48:06.719 --> 00:48:10.079 and I but when they did what they did in that a SU game, 713 00:48:10.320 --> 00:48:13.519 you know where the you know, the drop punt and they're going to lose 714 00:48:13.559 --> 00:48:15.719 the game, and then they win the game and not win the game, 715 00:48:15.760 --> 00:48:19.599 but they finished in a time you know, that captured everybody. From that 716 00:48:19.679 --> 00:48:23.039 point on. Dick was like the dude, let's take this. Hi, 717 00:48:23.119 --> 00:48:27.559 you're on the AAR and eye on the ball. Yeah. I just had 718 00:48:28.480 --> 00:48:34.840 a thought about uh recalled with David Rubio. Yes, yeah, I think 719 00:48:34.960 --> 00:48:39.119 number one, you have to take students out of the student athlete equation because 720 00:48:39.159 --> 00:48:45.039 there they're more like minor league players anymore than they are student athletes. Right 721 00:48:45.800 --> 00:48:50.719 now, that's that's for sure. Yeah, I really I think this thing 722 00:48:50.800 --> 00:48:53.480 it's going to be like a runaway spring here pretty soon. It'll be interesting 723 00:48:53.559 --> 00:48:58.079 to see where it ends up or where it crashes. Well, it already 724 00:48:58.239 --> 00:49:00.840 is a runaway train. Actually, I think it's gonna happen. I mean, 725 00:49:01.039 --> 00:49:06.599 it's happening right now for sure. You saw the movie with the train. 726 00:49:06.719 --> 00:49:07.719 Yeah, there's no way to stop. There's no way to stop it, 727 00:49:07.800 --> 00:49:10.840 man, there's no way to breaks don't work. The breaks don't work. 728 00:49:13.400 --> 00:49:15.599 Who's don't get in front of it? Right? Who's it is this? 729 00:49:15.719 --> 00:49:20.119 Gil? Yeah? Oh good, appreciate appreciate your calling back. Yeah, 730 00:49:20.159 --> 00:49:22.000 no, it is a runaway train. You know, you had Congress 731 00:49:22.000 --> 00:49:25.719 sticking its nose in there because n C. Double A wants Congress you kill 732 00:49:25.719 --> 00:49:29.079 me about the thirty thousand things. I don't know what he was talking about. 733 00:49:29.079 --> 00:49:35.880 There was that proposal a few weeks ago. Yeah. Also, oh 734 00:49:35.960 --> 00:49:39.760 gosh, I just watched it. I forgot what I was. All right, 735 00:49:40.440 --> 00:49:45.239 we forget all the time. We appreciate it. Thanks you about you 736 00:49:45.360 --> 00:49:46.920 want to hear than care? Gil must be already because you know, oh 737 00:49:47.000 --> 00:49:50.480 yeah, let me. I lost the train of thought real quick glad. 738 00:49:50.559 --> 00:49:52.199 A couple of weeks ago, the Charlie Baker and the un double a pressent 739 00:49:52.440 --> 00:49:57.679 came out with this proposal that said they got to create a couple of different 740 00:49:57.719 --> 00:50:04.400 divisions in football and then that schools should have to pay at least half of 741 00:50:04.480 --> 00:50:08.480 their athletes at least thirty thousand dollars a year. You don't hear that. 742 00:50:08.559 --> 00:50:12.679 No, I didn't hear that half of their athletes after their football everybody. 743 00:50:12.760 --> 00:50:15.960 Ah, Everson was two hundred and forty billion dollars in debt, and how 744 00:50:16.000 --> 00:50:19.840 are they going to come up with this money? You throw it out there. 745 00:50:21.320 --> 00:50:22.360 He threw it out there. You know, well I was here. 746 00:50:22.519 --> 00:50:27.840 You know, Ohio State has like eight hundredth They've got thirty six teams. 747 00:50:27.960 --> 00:50:31.599 We've got a eight hundred athlete. Yeah, you know that'll be the end 748 00:50:31.639 --> 00:50:36.119 of some of the miners. There's no question, no question. But no, 749 00:50:36.239 --> 00:50:38.280 that proposal is out there. It's kind of like thrown out to Okay, 750 00:50:38.599 --> 00:50:42.679 see this sounds good to be go figure it out. Yeah, that's 751 00:50:42.760 --> 00:50:44.599 kind of what he did. All right, let's take our break. We're 752 00:50:44.599 --> 00:50:46.599 here at the top of the hour. Since coming back with breaking news, 753 00:50:46.639 --> 00:50:51.039 there's stuff all over the place again, so stick around for that breaking news 754 00:50:51.079 --> 00:50:52.280 at UH four o'clock