WEBVTT 1 00:00:02.439 --> 00:00:07.559 Breaking down all the exes at all. It's Steve Rivera and Jagen Salaz. 2 00:00:07.879 --> 00:00:13.000 This is I on the Ball on Fox Sports fourteen fifty. Hey, welcome 3 00:00:13.000 --> 00:00:15.919 back to my the ball here on Fox Sports fourteen fifty from Steve Rivera. 4 00:00:16.000 --> 00:00:20.800 He's Jiginsaus. We have at least with breaking news. This is I on 5 00:00:20.920 --> 00:00:27.800 the Ball breaking news on Fox Sports fourteen fifty. All right, so we 6 00:00:27.920 --> 00:00:33.079 just found out that the Dartmouth men's basketball players could be identified as school employees. 7 00:00:33.159 --> 00:00:37.359 And the judge passed this approved this motion, I guess, but it's 8 00:00:37.359 --> 00:00:39.920 going to be appealed. What do you guys think about that? Well, 9 00:00:40.039 --> 00:00:44.679 who do we talk to about this? Was it a break push? Yeah? 10 00:00:44.759 --> 00:00:46.920 Yeah, be careful what you careful, what you wish for? So 11 00:00:47.479 --> 00:00:54.320 it was the National Labor Relations Board. The Dartmouth basketball team filed an action 12 00:00:54.479 --> 00:01:00.799 or whatever with the National Labor Relations Board, and the official, the NLRB 13 00:01:00.920 --> 00:01:06.959 official ruled that they are in fact employees of the school. Basically said that. 14 00:01:07.680 --> 00:01:11.560 I said, because Dartmouth has the right to control the work performed by 15 00:01:11.560 --> 00:01:15.439 the Dartmouth men's basketball team, and the players performed that work in exchange for 16 00:01:15.519 --> 00:01:19.959 compensation. I find that the petition for basketball players are employees within the meaning 17 00:01:21.000 --> 00:01:25.719 of the National Labor Relations Act, meaning that they can unionize. Also, 18 00:01:25.799 --> 00:01:29.959 on top of that, so Dartmouth, their VP of Communications, basically said, 19 00:01:29.959 --> 00:01:34.239 we're going to see seek a review of the decision. She said, 20 00:01:34.599 --> 00:01:38.760 Dartmouth has a long and proud history of productive relationships with unions on campus, 21 00:01:38.840 --> 00:01:42.840 always negotiates in good faith when appropriate, and respects the rights of workers to 22 00:01:42.959 --> 00:01:49.120 unionize. However, we do not believe these students are employees. Now the 23 00:01:49.239 --> 00:01:52.959 issue here is again we said, this can be as you said, be 24 00:01:53.040 --> 00:01:55.799 careful what you wish for. You want to be an employee, then you 25 00:01:55.840 --> 00:01:59.560 got to take all the things that come with being an employee, paying taxes 26 00:01:59.599 --> 00:02:02.599 on whatever compensation you're getting. Right, So now if you're you know, 27 00:02:02.879 --> 00:02:07.359 is tuition part of the compensation, So do you do you not have to 28 00:02:07.359 --> 00:02:12.360 pay taxes on your tuition. Let's say you're a substandard employee, meaning you 29 00:02:12.479 --> 00:02:16.159 suck at basketball, you're not getting any playing time, and there's somebody else 30 00:02:16.199 --> 00:02:22.599 out there that is available to Dartmouth that you know, they say we want 31 00:02:22.639 --> 00:02:28.000 that player. Can you be biased? Can be dismissed from your from your 32 00:02:28.120 --> 00:02:32.000 job for lack of performance because you're not any good at your job? Can 33 00:02:32.039 --> 00:02:35.240 you be fired? And all of a sudden, here I am, I'm 34 00:02:35.280 --> 00:02:39.719 at Dartmouth. I don't get any compensation anymore. Do I lose my tuition? 35 00:02:40.599 --> 00:02:45.319 And do I get kicked out of my dorm? What happens if I'm 36 00:02:45.479 --> 00:02:49.680 basically released from the team because I'm not very good? It just makes it 37 00:02:49.759 --> 00:02:53.080 way more complicated, Right, I never thought I'm older now, you're older 38 00:02:53.120 --> 00:02:55.280 now? Did you ever think this would come to it would come back? 39 00:02:55.360 --> 00:02:59.560 I never thought anything like this would be kind would be happening. Even what 40 00:02:59.560 --> 00:03:01.919 we're in the na L and all that stuff, It's just it's just complicated 41 00:03:01.960 --> 00:03:07.360 as all A student, a basketball player represented saying no, this is a 42 00:03:07.400 --> 00:03:09.960 significant step for college athletics. We're excited to say how this decision will impact 43 00:03:09.960 --> 00:03:16.240 college sports nationwide. Whether it's right or wrong against the law or you know 44 00:03:16.599 --> 00:03:21.680 what, it's bad for what's happened. It's bad for Dartmouth. You know 45 00:03:21.719 --> 00:03:24.360 why, Because what's gonna happen is they're not gonna have a basketball program anymore, 46 00:03:24.360 --> 00:03:28.400 because they're gonna be able to afford to have a basketball program. That's 47 00:03:28.400 --> 00:03:31.159 true, that's true. If you're gonna Killer Williams or let's let's just say 48 00:03:31.240 --> 00:03:37.560 someone here of Killer Bloff and you're making X amount of money, do you 49 00:03:37.560 --> 00:03:38.360 want this to happen? No, you don't. Of course you don't, 50 00:03:38.360 --> 00:03:42.159 because then now your salary is gonna be right, Your money coming in is 51 00:03:42.159 --> 00:03:46.319 gonna be right. There's gonna be let I understand you know that they're saying, 52 00:03:46.360 --> 00:03:49.919 well, we're we're bringing in all this Well, at Dartmouth, you're 53 00:03:49.960 --> 00:03:52.680 not bringing in a whole bunch of money for the school. You're not. 54 00:03:53.240 --> 00:03:57.319 You know, if the Dartmouth basketball program is breaking even, that's about as 55 00:03:57.400 --> 00:04:00.680 good as you can expect. And now these guys they want, you know, 56 00:04:00.719 --> 00:04:03.479 they I want mine. Well, what's the right amount to pay a 57 00:04:03.560 --> 00:04:09.719 Dartmouth basketball player? You know if if if Dartmouth basketball is a break even, 58 00:04:10.000 --> 00:04:14.719 uh enterprise, how much can you pay them? Yeah? You know? 59 00:04:14.800 --> 00:04:17.759 And and in the end, does this kill Dartmouth basketball or other sports? 60 00:04:17.879 --> 00:04:23.160 They're they're talking about forming an IVY League Players Association, so basically a 61 00:04:23.279 --> 00:04:26.600 union of the whole all the IVY League players. You guys, you know 62 00:04:26.639 --> 00:04:29.360 what, you're in the IVY League. You play in front of three four 63 00:04:29.399 --> 00:04:32.000 thousand people at your games. You're not making a whole bunch of money. 64 00:04:32.040 --> 00:04:34.360 What are you gonna do? Yeah, call, let's take this call. 65 00:04:38.040 --> 00:04:40.920 Hi. You're on the air and I on the ball. Hi there, 66 00:04:40.959 --> 00:04:45.839 my name is Justin and I'm listening to the conversation about the uh the darkness 67 00:04:45.879 --> 00:04:49.560 right? Uh matter? You know, I'll tell you it's there. The 68 00:04:49.600 --> 00:04:53.560 IVY League is a little bit of a weird league for this to come out 69 00:04:53.560 --> 00:04:57.959 of because they don't give athletics scholarships. It's all in need based scholarship, 70 00:04:58.040 --> 00:05:01.199 so it kind of factors in so like it's it's almost like it's a different 71 00:05:01.240 --> 00:05:08.439 beast than a school that's giving a pure athletic scholarship. So I'm not quite 72 00:05:08.519 --> 00:05:13.279 certain how that's ultimately get gets played out. Well that's a really good point. 73 00:05:15.160 --> 00:05:17.120 Well the thing too is if they do it and succeed at it, 74 00:05:17.439 --> 00:05:20.040 you know, other other teams and other schools are going to come up on 75 00:05:20.079 --> 00:05:27.120 this. Are you gonna follow suit? But go ahead? Yeah? No, 76 00:05:27.199 --> 00:05:29.439 I was gonna say that was that? That? That's that You're absolutely 77 00:05:29.480 --> 00:05:32.000 correct, that's the cascading effect. Uh. And these guys are probably thinking, 78 00:05:32.000 --> 00:05:35.000 look, we don't have anything to lose because you know, we're we're 79 00:05:35.160 --> 00:05:40.240 you know, we're not on athletic scholarship. Our parents pay the tuition anyway. 80 00:05:40.639 --> 00:05:44.160 You know, maybe there's some sort of political drive behind that as well, 81 00:05:44.160 --> 00:05:46.399 that they're going to see some sort of equity for other other schools around 82 00:05:46.399 --> 00:05:49.160 the country. Maybe that's maybe that's the drive there. I don't know, 83 00:05:49.399 --> 00:05:53.439 but the comments off there, Thanks guys, Hey, thanks for coming. 84 00:05:53.800 --> 00:05:57.560 Appreciate its No, I yeah, I mean and and I you know, 85 00:05:57.639 --> 00:06:00.120 that's actually a good point that I didn't think of that, you know there, 86 00:06:00.160 --> 00:06:02.959 you know, are they getting in il are they getting compensation? You 87 00:06:03.000 --> 00:06:06.680 know, what are they getting if if they're not they don't have athletic scholarships? 88 00:06:06.680 --> 00:06:11.120 And what compensation are they getting or are they trying to get some compensation. 89 00:06:11.199 --> 00:06:13.160 Yeah, that's a really good point because it would be different for an 90 00:06:13.160 --> 00:06:15.959 IVY League school compared to a school like Arizona. Right purely athletics. They're 91 00:06:15.959 --> 00:06:21.879 getting victories, Yeah, that's what they're taking our first round victories from us. 92 00:06:21.959 --> 00:06:26.279 Anyways, Well they should get something for that. We're we're not going 93 00:06:26.360 --> 00:06:29.720 to solve this here, but it's a it's a really interesting develop a really 94 00:06:29.720 --> 00:06:34.079 interesting development okay, okay, least so as we know the loss, I 95 00:06:34.079 --> 00:06:39.680 mean, the Oakland A's potentially are moving to Las Vegas in twenty twenty eight 96 00:06:39.720 --> 00:06:45.079 would be the move. And the last Vegas mayor previously said she thinks the 97 00:06:45.120 --> 00:06:49.800 ACE should stay in Oakland, but she said today that she is excited about 98 00:06:49.839 --> 00:06:55.839 the prospect of Major League Baseball in Vegas and if they do come, if 99 00:06:55.839 --> 00:06:59.639 the Las Vegas A's become a reality, she will welcome them to the city. 100 00:07:00.079 --> 00:07:03.199 Which one do you think she really believed. I'm not sure she knows, 101 00:07:03.439 --> 00:07:08.079 right, but yeah, yeah, you know, I mean, she 102 00:07:08.079 --> 00:07:12.040 she tried to tell she tried to explain what she meant, what she meant, 103 00:07:12.600 --> 00:07:18.399 but what she said was and you know, one of the issues because 104 00:07:18.399 --> 00:07:21.639 somebody found a lawsuit as well. One of the issues is that, you 105 00:07:21.680 --> 00:07:25.920 know, the stadium. Part of the funding is public funding. Three hundred 106 00:07:25.920 --> 00:07:29.360 and sixty million dollars of it. It's a billion and a half dollars stadium 107 00:07:29.399 --> 00:07:31.279 or whatever. But you know, some of that money is coming from public 108 00:07:31.279 --> 00:07:35.680 funding, so people are unhappy with that. But and then there's also some 109 00:07:35.680 --> 00:07:39.720 people are unhappy about and one of the things that she talked about was she's 110 00:07:39.800 --> 00:07:42.800 unhappy about the fact as to where they're putting it. She didn't think it 111 00:07:42.839 --> 00:07:46.759 should be on the strip the Tropican across the street from the MGM. Grant, 112 00:07:46.920 --> 00:07:53.680 that place is already a mess. And that corner there, well, 113 00:07:53.759 --> 00:07:57.040 that's that's where the t Bow Bull Arena is. Right on the other side 114 00:07:57.040 --> 00:08:01.800 of the freeway is where is where the football stadium is. It's Caddy Corner 115 00:08:01.839 --> 00:08:03.519 for for those of you who know, no, don't know, it's Caddy 116 00:08:03.519 --> 00:08:11.160 Corner from diagonally across the intersection Las Vegas Boulevard and Tropicana from New York New 117 00:08:11.199 --> 00:08:15.720 York MGM is directly across the street. And you got the EXCaliber on the 118 00:08:15.759 --> 00:08:18.920 other side. So it's I mean, it's smack in the middle of everything. 119 00:08:18.480 --> 00:08:24.560 And uh and don't planes land through there. I mean, it's right 120 00:08:24.600 --> 00:08:26.839 by the airport. It's right next to the airport. But anyway, so 121 00:08:26.839 --> 00:08:31.840 she had to walk it back and look, the reality is a mayor of 122 00:08:31.879 --> 00:08:37.039 a city like Vegas, like Tucson, doesn't have a ton of power. 123 00:08:37.279 --> 00:08:41.080 The power is in the city council, the power is in the city manager. 124 00:08:41.480 --> 00:08:43.960 And she can say all she wants, and she doesn't want it there. 125 00:08:45.960 --> 00:08:48.879 But but it's going to be there if the majority of their city council 126 00:08:50.039 --> 00:08:52.440 wants it to be there, and if their city manager goes off and gets 127 00:08:52.559 --> 00:08:58.679 whatever political support is needed from business community, whatever to get it there, 128 00:08:58.679 --> 00:09:01.320 and she can talk about all she wants that she doesn't want it there, 129 00:09:01.559 --> 00:09:05.200 and they can just in, you know, proverbally, proverbiallyite, throw to 130 00:09:05.240 --> 00:09:09.159 the finger, say we're coming anyways. But it's just a bad look for 131 00:09:11.039 --> 00:09:15.159 Vegas itself to have their mayor saying to stay where you're at. So many 132 00:09:15.159 --> 00:09:18.559 sports teams have been moving to Vegas. Yeah, well that's it. And 133 00:09:18.840 --> 00:09:22.480 people are saying, wait a minute. We've got the NFL here, We've 134 00:09:22.480 --> 00:09:24.879 got a hockey team here, the NBA is on its way, there's a 135 00:09:24.919 --> 00:09:28.600 super Bowl here, there's a final fore coming right in, there's a final 136 00:09:28.639 --> 00:09:33.720 FORUR coming. What are you doing? Yeah, people want to go sports 137 00:09:33.720 --> 00:09:39.559 here, people want their teams here. And it's funny. I don't remember 138 00:09:39.600 --> 00:09:41.679 how long ago this was, ten, fifteen, twenty years ago when people 139 00:09:41.720 --> 00:09:46.679 said there's no way sports is going to come right because the gambling. Gambling, 140 00:09:46.960 --> 00:09:52.840 No, it's it's part of it. Gambling now it's part of Okay, 141 00:09:52.039 --> 00:09:54.799 what else. Yeah, well, I was just telling you guys. 142 00:09:54.799 --> 00:10:00.240 The Lakers announced earlier today that they will be wearing Black Mama Inspire jerseys on 143 00:10:00.919 --> 00:10:05.519 Thursday. So the date is two eight twenty four to honor Kobe, who 144 00:10:05.559 --> 00:10:11.320 co designed these jerseys and Kobe staff, who will be unveiled outside the Staples 145 00:10:11.320 --> 00:10:16.960 Center earlier that day. On two eight twenty four is at the anniversary of 146 00:10:16.080 --> 00:10:20.720 when he was killed that first day. Oh eight is his number, twenty 147 00:10:20.759 --> 00:10:26.960 four and his other ah got it pay like two weeks ago too, Okay, 148 00:10:26.279 --> 00:10:31.000 weeks ago, two years ago, yeah, four years ago. Four 149 00:10:31.200 --> 00:10:35.840 yeah, only twenty Oh my god? Yeah? Really well, funny man, 150 00:10:35.039 --> 00:10:39.679 it all went, it all went bad after that. Were you how 151 00:10:39.519 --> 00:10:43.799 how did you take that when that happened. I was in Phoenix, coming 152 00:10:43.879 --> 00:10:46.120 dry I know where I was when I heard the news, driving back from 153 00:10:46.120 --> 00:10:50.360 Phoenix. I don't know. I'm not a Lakers guy, Kobe guy. 154 00:10:50.240 --> 00:10:54.039 He said, wow, just one of the all time greats past. I 155 00:10:54.080 --> 00:10:56.240 don't It's probably like Roberto Clemente back in the day. I don't know. 156 00:10:56.559 --> 00:11:01.320 I don't want to be remember when you do. Somebody want so, how 157 00:11:01.360 --> 00:11:05.519 did well? You don't want to saying something like that I wasn't a Pirates 158 00:11:05.559 --> 00:11:07.519 fan, but I knew who he was and something. Yeah, he was 159 00:11:07.559 --> 00:11:11.440 a big deal. Thurman Munson was a Yankee, so I really didn't care. 160 00:11:11.519 --> 00:11:18.000 Which sorry, sorry, don't you know what I almost I apologize to 161 00:11:18.159 --> 00:11:22.159 I apologize to all Yankee fans, the sermon fans. That was incredibly rude. 162 00:11:22.159 --> 00:11:28.360 I don't worry because she's not going to happen. He's going to You're 163 00:11:28.399 --> 00:11:33.200 not gonna see me anyway, have to deal with me. But no, 164 00:11:33.360 --> 00:11:37.080 you know guys like that that, you know, I don't know it was. 165 00:11:37.159 --> 00:11:41.039 I'm sure you you were. I remember exactly where I was. I 166 00:11:41.080 --> 00:11:45.679 was eighteen. I was at home. I remember my brother text me and 167 00:11:45.720 --> 00:11:48.120 I thought it was a joke and then I googled it and yeah, I 168 00:11:48.159 --> 00:11:54.080 mean I remember at school. Yeah, I'm from La Santa Wana and Kobe 169 00:11:54.159 --> 00:11:56.000 was like my childhood hero. We would go to the Laker game every year 170 00:11:56.000 --> 00:12:01.559 on Christmas, like Tobe was like my birthday, and asked for Laker tickets 171 00:12:01.559 --> 00:12:05.639 to see Kobe like we were a big fan. So I remember at school 172 00:12:07.320 --> 00:12:11.200 it was the day of his celebration of life where they had a big thing 173 00:12:11.240 --> 00:12:16.639 as center and we watched it in class, like in all of our classes, 174 00:12:16.840 --> 00:12:20.080 they just have it on because it was like that was like the big 175 00:12:20.120 --> 00:12:24.679 with no learning today, like we're watching Kobe's like celebration of life because that's 176 00:12:24.720 --> 00:12:28.559 how important he was to the city, Like he was la right, yeah, 177 00:12:28.480 --> 00:12:31.879 I know he was never do that something like for you is a kid 178 00:12:31.960 --> 00:12:35.759 in for twenty years? Is a kid like did you I'll tell you mine, 179 00:12:35.799 --> 00:12:39.600 but did you ever Kennedy? Pat was Kitty still in school yet when 180 00:12:39.600 --> 00:12:43.919 he when he was sixty she don't know what, but his brother that was 181 00:12:43.919 --> 00:12:48.679 summer. It actually happened that like on the last day of school. Okay, 182 00:12:48.720 --> 00:12:52.120 but could you imagine that for an athlete in school like high school in 183 00:12:52.200 --> 00:12:54.519 English class and they're like, no class day, we're just putting on. 184 00:12:54.159 --> 00:12:56.480 Did you have one class or did you go to class to class? It 185 00:12:56.519 --> 00:13:00.440 was on multiple so you just moved to class. I mean a wasn't like 186 00:13:00.480 --> 00:13:03.799 all day long. It was a few hours. Yeah, yeah, you 187 00:13:03.840 --> 00:13:07.600 know. I the only thing I can remember and I couldn't. I couldn't. 188 00:13:07.919 --> 00:13:11.360 I just have a vision of it. It would have been like late 189 00:13:11.399 --> 00:13:18.480 elementary school, you know, fifth or sixth grade, and uh, it 190 00:13:18.600 --> 00:13:20.360 was god it, I don't know if it was a it couldn't have been. 191 00:13:20.440 --> 00:13:22.720 Yeah, it would have been the World Series could have been in October. 192 00:13:24.240 --> 00:13:26.080 Uh. And a teacher put the World Series on, remember, because 193 00:13:26.080 --> 00:13:28.840 the World Series used to be played in the day, remember that. And 194 00:13:30.120 --> 00:13:31.080 you know, a teacher was a big fan and they went and got the 195 00:13:31.080 --> 00:13:33.720 TV and but the World Series on in our class and that was just the 196 00:13:33.720 --> 00:13:37.480 coolest thing. But it was for somebody. No, no, it was 197 00:13:37.519 --> 00:13:39.399 just a World Series game that that. Yes, so for minute, I 198 00:13:39.399 --> 00:13:43.080 remember this having gone to a Catholic school in Santa Peu when the Pope died, 199 00:13:43.159 --> 00:13:48.360 like in nineteen eighty whatever. It was like Catholic school. It was 200 00:13:48.480 --> 00:13:52.279 like an all day thing where you know, you not celebrate the life, 201 00:13:52.279 --> 00:13:54.840 but you know, you listen, you watch it. Yeah, it was 202 00:13:54.919 --> 00:13:58.480 kind of like erie. Yeah, just didn't have any didn't have anything like 203 00:13:58.519 --> 00:14:01.480 that. Yeah. True. Well, like I met you know, like 204 00:14:01.559 --> 00:14:03.679 I know that, you know, there were kids, you know, growing 205 00:14:03.759 --> 00:14:07.200 up when the Challenger blew up, right right, I remember that too, 206 00:14:07.360 --> 00:14:09.919 eighty six and I was sitting in the Starnes room when that one happened. 207 00:14:09.000 --> 00:14:13.799 Yeah, but that's that just celebrated for thirty some years. Whatever it was 208 00:14:15.200 --> 00:14:20.240 that you celebrated us recognized. Yeah, we don't want to celebrate that. 209 00:14:20.399 --> 00:14:22.879 Yeah, all right, we're gonna take our next break quick. Is that 210 00:14:22.919 --> 00:14:26.440 all you had? Yeah? Okay? Cool? Good, all right? 211 00:14:26.679 --> 00:14:31.360 Frank Middleton super Bowl alignment for the Oakland Raiders back in the day. We'll 212 00:14:31.360 --> 00:14:33.600 be joining us and talking about his experience playing in the Super Bowl. 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Hey, welcome back to about here on 280 00:19:25.279 --> 00:19:27.640 Fox Sports fourteen fifty. I'm Steve Riverta, He's jigin zos now in the 281 00:19:27.680 --> 00:19:33.759 phone we have Frank Middleton, former U of a football player and also a 282 00:19:33.799 --> 00:19:37.079 player who played in the Super Bowl thirty seven. I think it is right 283 00:19:37.279 --> 00:19:41.240 if I got my initials correct, it was all right. Thank you Frank, 284 00:19:41.599 --> 00:19:45.839 Thank you Frank. How does this kid from from Arizona gift to play 285 00:19:45.880 --> 00:19:49.680 in this Super Bowl? Dreams do come true? Oh? Man, they 286 00:19:49.720 --> 00:19:56.519 always come true. U. Great coaching from coach Dick and Dick Comy got 287 00:19:56.559 --> 00:20:00.279 me prepared to play in a lot of big games. Man. Oh yeah, 288 00:20:00.400 --> 00:20:03.720 Arizona with a great coach, with a great coaching staff and good friends. 289 00:20:03.599 --> 00:20:07.680 I think played a big part of it. Well, you're looking at 290 00:20:07.960 --> 00:20:11.200 looking at that Super Bowl now, I'm you know. I mean it was 291 00:20:11.240 --> 00:20:15.240 a tough loss. I'm sure. We talked to Ricky Hunley yesterday and you 292 00:20:15.240 --> 00:20:18.440 know, he played in the he played in the Super Bowls in the mid 293 00:20:18.519 --> 00:20:21.480 nineties, and he said they still hurt, you know, having lost the 294 00:20:21.559 --> 00:20:25.759 eighties of mid eight Excuse me. You lost a game to Tampa Bay, 295 00:20:25.799 --> 00:20:27.960 which was that's kind of interesting because you played at Tampa and then you played 296 00:20:29.000 --> 00:20:32.119 at Oakland, so you played on both teams. How did that feel for 297 00:20:32.160 --> 00:20:36.480 you when you're at the Super Bowl and you've played for both teams. All 298 00:20:36.559 --> 00:20:41.200 right, suck because you get beat by people you got to talk to and 299 00:20:41.240 --> 00:20:45.400 seeing friendship with it don't hurt as much as you get beat by strangers. 300 00:20:45.079 --> 00:20:48.920 But if you get beat by people you worked four years with, it went 301 00:20:49.000 --> 00:20:52.960 to ward winding. You got to understanding with man, it touches you a 302 00:20:52.000 --> 00:20:55.960 little bit more. It been great to be to win in that situation, 303 00:20:56.039 --> 00:20:59.400 but it was still fun and exciting just because I was playing free. And 304 00:21:00.079 --> 00:21:03.440 so let me ask you. We talked about this yesterday, the excitement, 305 00:21:03.599 --> 00:21:07.759 all the pageantry and all the craziness for press conferences. But I think, 306 00:21:07.799 --> 00:21:11.079 if I'm correct, during that one, wasn't there a lot of controversy like 307 00:21:11.319 --> 00:21:19.200 players skipping or being arrested or something like that. Oh that year our quarterback 308 00:21:19.240 --> 00:21:25.960 went missing the tier in Mexico. It was the Super Bowl in San Diego. 309 00:21:26.799 --> 00:21:30.200 That's how went across the board and never came back. So yeah, 310 00:21:30.400 --> 00:21:34.640 I guess that was a little problem. Yeah, a little bit of a 311 00:21:34.720 --> 00:21:41.039 problem. I hate to make fun of that, but that's all coming back 312 00:21:41.039 --> 00:21:42.279 to me. Well, let me ask you, though, so you know 313 00:21:42.319 --> 00:21:45.759 you're in the conference championship game, you're winning the game. You win it 314 00:21:45.839 --> 00:21:51.359 handily against the Titans. There was a point before the game was even over 315 00:21:51.440 --> 00:21:53.359 that you knew you were going to the super Bowl. You know what was 316 00:21:53.400 --> 00:21:57.519 that excitement? Like? How do you contain yourself to finish the game and 317 00:21:57.799 --> 00:22:03.160 do what you're doing when you know you're headed for the Super Bowl? Man, 318 00:22:03.599 --> 00:22:07.119 as a grown man, you feel like that first Christmas when you got 319 00:22:07.119 --> 00:22:11.799 everything you wanted. You know, Uh, everything comes alive, every feeling 320 00:22:11.839 --> 00:22:15.559 you had. Uh, my first thought went to my mom. I'm from 321 00:22:15.599 --> 00:22:19.400 Baumat, single parent, low income housing, and and and and the US 322 00:22:19.519 --> 00:22:23.160 stacked against and so when that came true, is more I was. I 323 00:22:23.200 --> 00:22:26.400 was excited about her because, uh, a lot of people said with what 324 00:22:26.440 --> 00:22:29.759 I couldn't do and what she couldn't do, it for us to make it 325 00:22:29.799 --> 00:22:32.920 to that level, coming where we where we came from, just made me 326 00:22:33.079 --> 00:22:37.160 like just grateful and happened. So Frank, if I do remember, you're 327 00:22:37.200 --> 00:22:40.319 a big dude. You're a big dude. Uh. So you've gone back 328 00:22:40.359 --> 00:22:42.039 home to Beaumont. I don't know if you drink or not, but do 329 00:22:42.079 --> 00:22:45.400 you ever have to buy a beer back in Beaumont? People know who you 330 00:22:45.440 --> 00:22:49.640 are now? You know, I was in two son to loans. I'm 331 00:22:49.640 --> 00:22:57.680 more of a tequila drinking man in the front part about it, Like if 332 00:22:57.720 --> 00:23:00.839 I hang out with pet you know, I'm sing fifty this year. H 333 00:23:02.279 --> 00:23:04.559 So my crowd is fifty to seventy five. If I hang around people fifty 334 00:23:04.559 --> 00:23:07.079 to seventy five, I get a lot of free stuff. But if I 335 00:23:07.119 --> 00:23:14.640 go under that forty five. Did So, the older the crowd, the 336 00:23:14.640 --> 00:23:15.920 more stuff I get free. The younger the crowd, the more I got 337 00:23:15.920 --> 00:23:21.119 explained. That's funny. So okay, so let me ask you. That 338 00:23:21.240 --> 00:23:25.839 was your mom the first person you called, you know after that after you 339 00:23:25.920 --> 00:23:29.119 won that conference championship game to get to the super Bowl? Who did you 340 00:23:29.160 --> 00:23:32.400 talk to and what did you say? Who did you start hearing from when 341 00:23:32.440 --> 00:23:34.720 that happened? Uh, you know, after that happened, that you hear 342 00:23:34.759 --> 00:23:37.160 from everybody because everybody want Super Bowl tickets. Well, of course, but 343 00:23:37.720 --> 00:23:41.960 but it don't work like that. My mom and my wife was at the 344 00:23:41.039 --> 00:23:45.519 game, and after the game, Uh, my mom and my wife found 345 00:23:45.519 --> 00:23:48.880 their way down and we just embraced each other and kind of cried a little 346 00:23:48.880 --> 00:23:53.599 bit and told each other thank you from just being patient and h totally get 347 00:23:53.599 --> 00:23:56.920 ready to party, and that's kind of what we beg in. So I 348 00:23:56.920 --> 00:24:00.400 asked this of Ricky and we talked about the talk to you athletes a lot. 349 00:24:00.880 --> 00:24:04.799 So when they're playing the national anthem, you're there, did a tear 350 00:24:04.920 --> 00:24:10.039 and and maybe a flyover or whatever? Did you tear up to realize, 351 00:24:10.079 --> 00:24:12.200 Hey, Frank's in the super Bowl? And two? Did you were you 352 00:24:12.279 --> 00:24:18.319 nervous before the game? To be honest with I cried before every game when 353 00:24:18.319 --> 00:24:21.960 it came to the national anthem. I don't know what what about that song 354 00:24:22.519 --> 00:24:25.480 like touch my soul, But just standing in front of all those people and 355 00:24:25.559 --> 00:24:27.720 listen to that sound play and people singing it just brought George to me, 356 00:24:29.160 --> 00:24:32.319 just knowing that the opportunities that we have here and the things that you can 357 00:24:32.359 --> 00:24:33.960 do if you work hard enough. So every time I heard the national anthem, 358 00:24:34.000 --> 00:24:37.559 I cry. I still get emotional to this day because that's my you 359 00:24:37.680 --> 00:24:42.039 made it song in my mind. But so so. But the nervous part, 360 00:24:42.839 --> 00:24:45.559 I think I wasn't nervous. I was more mad because my siner wasn't 361 00:24:45.559 --> 00:24:49.680 there and my emotions was everywhere trying to figure things out. So it wasn't 362 00:24:49.720 --> 00:24:53.119 nervous. It was more like disappointment because it worked so hard to get there. 363 00:24:53.599 --> 00:24:56.000 For somebody not to show up, it's just kind of put a love 364 00:24:56.440 --> 00:25:00.160 a black out on everything. Yeah, yeah, I can imagine, and 365 00:25:00.240 --> 00:25:03.640 so so again after all this time. So this was the super Bowl Thos 366 00:25:03.680 --> 00:25:07.839 played in two thousand and three. So we're talking, uh, twenty years 367 00:25:07.839 --> 00:25:15.960 ago, twenty one years ago like that? Okay, being that you guys, 368 00:25:15.039 --> 00:25:18.240 you know you lost the game. What you know, what's your memory 369 00:25:18.279 --> 00:25:22.839 of the Super Bowl? Does it sting you? Do you still think, 370 00:25:22.920 --> 00:25:26.119 well, that was something that not everybody gets to do. What do you 371 00:25:26.160 --> 00:25:30.079 think first about when you think about having been in the Super Bowl? Man? 372 00:25:30.480 --> 00:25:37.400 God, I praised God every day for that opportunity to me, even 373 00:25:37.440 --> 00:25:41.759 though I lost it, it was my ceiling and it's something and I tell 374 00:25:41.759 --> 00:25:45.240 my kids out the time, like when I prayed for the Super Bowl, 375 00:25:45.279 --> 00:25:47.799 I never prayed to win it, because I don't think that far hear. 376 00:25:48.119 --> 00:25:51.279 I just always prayed to be a part of it. So just to be 377 00:25:51.319 --> 00:25:53.759 a part of it, it was a prayer and dream come true. And 378 00:25:53.839 --> 00:25:56.720 I was just happy with that. Man. I just I'm I was just 379 00:25:56.759 --> 00:26:00.319 happy for the chance because so many people played in the league that don't get 380 00:26:00.319 --> 00:26:03.000 a chance to be out there to chee the confetti drives and the jets fly 381 00:26:03.119 --> 00:26:07.200 over and have all the tension in the water on you. Like I was 382 00:26:07.279 --> 00:26:10.799 just I mean, you just get that accomplished feeling. But what what was 383 00:26:10.799 --> 00:26:14.720 the what was running out of the tunnel, Like, oh, man, 384 00:26:15.440 --> 00:26:22.559 I had to peep you know, you get the pre cow where you got 385 00:26:22.559 --> 00:26:26.119 ten minutes and everything you're gonna take the walk through and you make sure you're 386 00:26:26.119 --> 00:26:30.039 blathering losing everything taped up. And right when we got down to the tunnel 387 00:26:30.039 --> 00:26:33.839 and they start calling names, man, I had like the Russia, Like 388 00:26:33.119 --> 00:26:37.720 I just got to go to the bathroom. So uh, I guess that 389 00:26:37.799 --> 00:26:41.759 was just my nerves trigging in. Man. But to sit in that thing 390 00:26:41.799 --> 00:26:44.759 and just look at our teammates. Our old line was real close that year. 391 00:26:45.240 --> 00:26:47.440 Uh, even with the problem with our centers. Just to sit there 392 00:26:47.440 --> 00:26:52.319 and say, man, uh we lost we lost the New England uh in 393 00:26:52.400 --> 00:26:55.640 the tuck rule the year before and we had some bad calls during the year. 394 00:26:56.000 --> 00:26:59.920 To just get back there after getting after when when they stole that all 395 00:27:00.119 --> 00:27:03.440 Tuney farmers with the tug bowl in the snow and just make it back and 396 00:27:03.480 --> 00:27:06.640 stick together and make it because a lot of guys said pay cuts and came 397 00:27:06.680 --> 00:27:08.480 back for that extra year just to get a chance to go to the super 398 00:27:08.519 --> 00:27:11.880 Bowl. So for us to get there, I mean it was great. 399 00:27:11.920 --> 00:27:15.079 You had rich Gannon, you had Charlie Gardy, had Jerry Rush, had 400 00:27:15.119 --> 00:27:19.640 Tim Brown. You had to see Wood, you had both woods like you 401 00:27:19.680 --> 00:27:23.680 had a Halls pass and just see all those guys get to that Promise Land, 402 00:27:25.079 --> 00:27:30.839 like like Tim Brown and and my quarterback rich Gannon had never been to 403 00:27:30.839 --> 00:27:33.960 get them older guys there. Man, I just I felt proud and happy 404 00:27:34.000 --> 00:27:37.880 for us. Man, So you're here at Arizona, are you praying, 405 00:27:38.119 --> 00:27:41.680 hey, I want to get to the league. And when did you realize, 406 00:27:41.720 --> 00:27:45.839 hey, I have a chance to play in the league. Uh, 407 00:27:45.920 --> 00:27:51.720 you kind of don't. I was to junior college first, so I kind 408 00:27:51.720 --> 00:27:55.880 of took the long way around and coach Dicky found me in for Scott. 409 00:27:56.279 --> 00:27:57.880 So when I got there, my plan was just trying to straighten up and 410 00:27:57.920 --> 00:28:00.880 get a degree so I could go to social work and become a cop and 411 00:28:00.920 --> 00:28:06.039 have kids. And I guess my after my halfway through my first year, 412 00:28:06.160 --> 00:28:08.680 man coach Ki had to talk and he started telling me how he think I 413 00:28:08.680 --> 00:28:11.759 can do it, and from like, from that moment on, I kind 414 00:28:11.799 --> 00:28:15.680 of hit the switches and start working my butt off for it. Wow. 415 00:28:15.799 --> 00:28:18.720 So okay, So now you see the game today, you see the players 416 00:28:18.720 --> 00:28:23.119 today. If you were talking to let's say Alignment on the airzon a football 417 00:28:23.119 --> 00:28:29.119 team, what would you tell him that it takes to get to where you 418 00:28:29.279 --> 00:28:32.160 got to? What? What? What? What's the most important thing that 419 00:28:32.160 --> 00:28:37.759 that player needs to know about what you did or what it took to get 420 00:28:37.799 --> 00:28:41.079 to the NFL get to a super You gotta be You gotta be selfless, 421 00:28:41.720 --> 00:28:45.000 Like I think that's one other things one word that bever gonna lose. Use 422 00:28:45.039 --> 00:28:48.160 a lot of selfless man. You got to you got to everything behind you, 423 00:28:48.519 --> 00:28:52.880 and don't worry about your seble, but work towards your goal for everybody 424 00:28:52.880 --> 00:28:55.759 else. Work for your team, work for your mother, work for your 425 00:28:55.799 --> 00:28:59.319 girlfriend, work for your daughter, whatever you have, you you gotta you 426 00:28:59.319 --> 00:29:02.079 gotta put it on the line for them. And as long as you're playing 427 00:29:02.119 --> 00:29:04.839 for somebody else and not doing it in a selfish mode and selfish mindset, 428 00:29:06.119 --> 00:29:08.240 I think you have a chance. But you got to play this game for 429 00:29:08.319 --> 00:29:11.799 more than just money. Uh, in fame you got to have passion and 430 00:29:11.839 --> 00:29:15.319 love behind it. So I don't know, I'm sorry. How long did 431 00:29:15.319 --> 00:29:18.359 you last in the league? How long did you stand the league? Nine 432 00:29:18.400 --> 00:29:22.720 years? So that's a pretty good that's a pretty good. So how was 433 00:29:22.720 --> 00:29:26.400 it to say goodbye to it? I don't think I got to change it. 434 00:29:26.400 --> 00:29:34.079 I think it said goodbye to me, Steve. So how was it? 435 00:29:34.119 --> 00:29:37.920 But how was it? Was? Really hard? Yeah? That was 436 00:29:37.920 --> 00:29:40.160 that? Really harder was the time? Do you know? I mean, 437 00:29:40.160 --> 00:29:44.599 where were you? Well? I told my court tending up against New Orleans 438 00:29:44.599 --> 00:29:47.519 and I didn't really have a chance, a choice to come back or not, 439 00:29:47.920 --> 00:29:51.480 so I kind of retired off of injury. So it wasn't It wasn't 440 00:29:51.519 --> 00:29:53.839 like I played, uh nine years, I'm tired and I want to go 441 00:29:53.920 --> 00:29:57.240 home. Like it was. My body said it's time to go home, 442 00:29:57.279 --> 00:30:00.440 man, and that's what I did. But but what they say, I 443 00:30:00.440 --> 00:30:03.160 played until the wheels fall off. Yeah, yeah, we're talking to Frank 444 00:30:03.200 --> 00:30:07.839 Middleton. There's on a lineman played in the twenty in the thirty Super Bowl 445 00:30:07.920 --> 00:30:12.200 thirty seven back in after the twenty two thousand and two seasons. So let 446 00:30:12.240 --> 00:30:15.799 me ask you. So you played nine years, which is a nice significant 447 00:30:15.960 --> 00:30:21.440 run. What has What did pro football do for you? Like, I'm 448 00:30:21.480 --> 00:30:27.240 sure you're doing okay, Now what did pro football do for me? Everything? 449 00:30:29.000 --> 00:30:30.839 Like you got my mama house, got me a house, and got 450 00:30:30.839 --> 00:30:36.119 my daughters. They they master's degree. It got my wife or r M 451 00:30:36.559 --> 00:30:38.640 degree. It got me to a point where I'm forty nine and I don't 452 00:30:38.640 --> 00:30:44.759 have to work anymore. I kind of volunteer at schools and what youth movements 453 00:30:44.759 --> 00:30:48.680 and stuff. But just being a professional and taking care of being is kind 454 00:30:48.680 --> 00:30:49.799 of, you know, set me up for life, I think, Frank, 455 00:30:49.920 --> 00:30:55.079 Frank, let me ask you this. Could you adopt me? Man? 456 00:30:55.359 --> 00:30:56.559 Me and my wife talked about the doctor kids the other day. I 457 00:30:56.559 --> 00:31:00.400 don't want that. Well, first of all, Frank, he Steve could 458 00:31:00.400 --> 00:31:03.960 be your father. So let's just let's just put the put the brakes on 459 00:31:04.000 --> 00:31:08.000 that. Well. But you know, but when you when you talk about 460 00:31:08.039 --> 00:31:11.319 that, Frank, you know it's it is an opportunity, and you know, 461 00:31:11.400 --> 00:31:15.200 not a lot of people get that opportunity by when you think of the 462 00:31:15.279 --> 00:31:18.039 numbers, but you know, it looks like it sounds like you've taken that. 463 00:31:18.119 --> 00:31:22.039 But again, you know, the whole idea. Do people when you're 464 00:31:22.039 --> 00:31:26.279 walking around town? Uh? Do people just know you were a football player? 465 00:31:26.480 --> 00:31:30.559 Uh? Do you still look like a football player? I'm still fat. 466 00:31:30.640 --> 00:31:33.640 Yeah, that's not what I meant. But I know what you said. 467 00:31:34.839 --> 00:31:38.039 No, I mean, you know, you get them conversation with somebody 468 00:31:38.039 --> 00:31:41.319 say, man, I know you played football, You're just so big, 469 00:31:41.400 --> 00:31:42.880 and I'm like, I'm happy I did, but I feel bad if I 470 00:31:42.880 --> 00:31:48.240 didn't play football. But uh, like I said, the older heads recognizement, 471 00:31:48.279 --> 00:31:49.599 I do a lot of stuff with school age kids, so uh, 472 00:31:51.559 --> 00:31:53.480 some school age kids know. I'm pretty like a homebody. Man. I 473 00:31:53.519 --> 00:31:56.759 go work out with kids and get back home. I don't don't move around 474 00:31:56.799 --> 00:32:04.119 too much. Who are you still in touch with? From you a oh 475 00:32:04.279 --> 00:32:09.440 man? Be staying this one? Idaho A bunch of younger guys for me. 476 00:32:09.920 --> 00:32:13.480 But I try to talk and talk to as many as I can. 477 00:32:13.720 --> 00:32:15.720 You know they do that alom now we can, right and I did the 478 00:32:15.799 --> 00:32:20.200 last two years. So that's always good to get back there and hang out 479 00:32:20.200 --> 00:32:22.880 with those guys. You gotta like what's happening in Arizona right now, even 480 00:32:22.880 --> 00:32:25.240 though there's a coaching change. But you gotta you had to have liked what 481 00:32:25.279 --> 00:32:30.359 happened last season, specifically right ten and three. Oh Man, I haven't 482 00:32:30.400 --> 00:32:32.000 had a chance down here in Texas to beat my chest in a long time 483 00:32:32.039 --> 00:32:36.839 about anything except for basketball with Amazon, and so to be able to talk 484 00:32:36.960 --> 00:32:38.480 noise and knowing that it's going to the Big twelve next year and they be 485 00:32:38.519 --> 00:32:43.880 closer to home, I'm excited. And then that group of guys, Keena 486 00:32:44.119 --> 00:32:49.000 and Babers like those those guys raised me. Man. Keena was there when 487 00:32:49.000 --> 00:32:52.160 I was there, so if he got anything that he had back then, 488 00:32:52.160 --> 00:32:54.279 it's gonna be a great situation. So to see them go back and get 489 00:32:54.440 --> 00:32:58.799 a bunch of dick Tony guys come back and try to keep the coach and 490 00:32:58.839 --> 00:33:01.559 moving forward and those young players. Man, I'm just I'm excited to see 491 00:33:01.559 --> 00:33:05.440 what we're gonna do again. Someone just texting me, we're talking to Frank 492 00:33:05.440 --> 00:33:09.920 Middleton. Former you, a former you of a Oakland Raiders super Bowl thirty 493 00:33:09.960 --> 00:33:14.119 seven, nine years in the NFL. Frank, I mean, that's again, 494 00:33:14.160 --> 00:33:15.839 that's there's a lot of guys who don't get who don't get to do 495 00:33:15.880 --> 00:33:20.480 that, especially for you, especially from Arizona. Good on you for doing 496 00:33:20.519 --> 00:33:22.880 that. But Frank, we do do you now? Will you sit down 497 00:33:22.920 --> 00:33:25.359 and watch the Super Bowl? Is it a big deal to you to you 498 00:33:25.400 --> 00:33:28.440 know? And how do you watch? And how do you watch it? 499 00:33:29.279 --> 00:33:31.960 I do not watch it. You don't watch. I'm a fantasy football player. 500 00:33:32.079 --> 00:33:37.319 Once my fantasy team lose, I start watching whoa, whoa. All 501 00:33:37.400 --> 00:33:42.039 right, I love my fantasy I got three or four fantasy teams though. 502 00:33:42.079 --> 00:33:45.519 But I mean, I'm one of those jealous type of guys. Man to 503 00:33:45.599 --> 00:33:50.440 work so hard to get there and have three days and do all these extra 504 00:33:50.519 --> 00:33:53.200 practices. Man, it just hurts my feelings that Seedy's guys make all the 505 00:33:53.359 --> 00:33:59.640 money and do half the work. It's like it's it's like getting the boys 506 00:33:59.640 --> 00:34:04.559 and your taking half your money do all the work that I have to do. 507 00:34:04.680 --> 00:34:07.920 But yeah, but I mean it's cool. I just I just can't 508 00:34:07.960 --> 00:34:10.719 follow it. Man. I had like a rough game to me. Yeah, 509 00:34:10.760 --> 00:34:14.599 I kind of like I missed the rough part of football, like dropping 510 00:34:14.639 --> 00:34:17.960 your head on p like no more cutting outside than tackle box. I mean 511 00:34:19.079 --> 00:34:24.400 it's getting soft man and interesting from a big dude, exactly exactly. Hey, 512 00:34:24.440 --> 00:34:28.519 well, Frank, we do appreciate the time. Uh, you know, 513 00:34:28.599 --> 00:34:30.519 best luck in whatever you do, whether you're doing a lot or doing 514 00:34:30.559 --> 00:34:34.960 a lot of nothing. But uh, we do appreciate you joining us and 515 00:34:34.960 --> 00:34:37.360 giving us some of your experience from the Super Bowl. I appreciate you off 516 00:34:37.360 --> 00:34:40.280 for the call, right, thank you, thank you. He's one of 517 00:34:40.280 --> 00:34:44.960 the good old U. Then again a shout out to Brandon Sanders who helped 518 00:34:45.119 --> 00:34:47.599 who have to get it, get us the interview with Frank Middleton. Brandon 519 00:34:47.599 --> 00:34:52.280 helps us a lot getting some of the alumni who we get on the show. 520 00:34:52.320 --> 00:34:53.679 And we're working on a few more for the rest of the week, 521 00:34:53.719 --> 00:34:58.400 the super Bowl week. So all right, let's take our last break. 522 00:34:58.559 --> 00:35:00.920 We're gonna come back and we'll take your costs five to zero, four one, 523 00:35:00.960 --> 00:35:04.519 six, seventy four to forty stick around. So if you're an Arizona 524 00:35:04.519 --> 00:35:07.159 men's basketball fan, you know it's been successful for nearly forty years. Now 525 00:35:07.280 --> 00:35:10.320 take a look back at the Ludolsen era. 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I'm Steve Rivera, he's Jagansaus 569 00:38:22.760 --> 00:38:25.599 and Lisa in the house for fifteen minutes left. Do you want to call 570 00:38:25.679 --> 00:38:30.079 us five to two oh four one six seventy four forty If you have a 571 00:38:30.159 --> 00:38:32.480 price that you'd pay to go to a sporting event, Let's let us know 572 00:38:32.519 --> 00:38:37.440 what it is the biggest this weekend. It's Frank. Frank doesn't even watch 573 00:38:37.440 --> 00:38:39.480 the damn thing. Yeah, you know, dude, he's into the fantasy 574 00:38:39.519 --> 00:38:44.000 football. Man. What do you guys do for the Super Bowl? Oh? 575 00:38:44.039 --> 00:38:46.280 I'm going to Phoenix to watch the game. We have. We usually 576 00:38:46.280 --> 00:38:50.840 have a little gathering at our house because we we we have a group of 577 00:38:50.880 --> 00:38:55.400 people that pull some money and uh make a bunch of bets you know, 578 00:38:55.440 --> 00:39:00.519 proposition bets bill and that's so we watch a game together too, root for 579 00:39:00.519 --> 00:39:02.840 our bets we have last week. We've been doing that for thirty years. 580 00:39:04.119 --> 00:39:07.559 It's a lot of fun and I think you're where are you in terms of 581 00:39:07.559 --> 00:39:12.039 profits or not profits? Oh, we've lost a lot of money, but 582 00:39:12.119 --> 00:39:14.760 we've had fun doing it. Yeah. Yeah, Literally, we've been doing 583 00:39:14.800 --> 00:39:20.079 it since since the early nineties and we just have a really good time with 584 00:39:20.199 --> 00:39:22.760 it. Now that we can just make our bets on DraftKings from now on, 585 00:39:23.519 --> 00:39:28.039 you know, we uh oh you do that. 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I saw something this morning about the top twenty five 608 00:40:52.719 --> 00:40:58.400 college basketball coaches all time, all time. It's it's a website called New 609 00:40:58.440 --> 00:41:01.800 Arena. I've never heard of it, so lend some credence to it. 610 00:41:01.840 --> 00:41:05.440 But you know, whatever you want to say. Who you think? Where 611 00:41:05.440 --> 00:41:08.880 do you think Tarcanian was listed? Do you think he was listed? Kind 612 00:41:08.880 --> 00:41:15.400 of give it away that he man, you know, because of his his 613 00:41:16.000 --> 00:41:21.199 reputation as somebody who bent the rules and those kinds of things. He was 614 00:41:21.280 --> 00:41:24.440 kind of a grouchy guy. I wouldn't be surprised if he wasn't listed, 615 00:41:24.480 --> 00:41:28.639 but I'd put him in the between twenty and twenty five. Yeah, okay, 616 00:41:28.679 --> 00:41:34.960 twenty five, twenty five, all right, twenty four Huggins. Huggins 617 00:41:34.960 --> 00:41:37.639 Again, I need to do a lament. See my problem is, Steve 618 00:41:37.719 --> 00:41:42.440 Is I've had personal experience with some of these guys you know working n Cuba 619 00:41:42.639 --> 00:41:45.519 tournaments. Uh, you know, sitting next to him on at the at 620 00:41:45.559 --> 00:41:47.880 the interview podium. If you want to, guy, if you want to, 621 00:41:49.760 --> 00:41:53.519 that's a grumpy guy. Okay, would you have j Wright ahead or 622 00:41:53.599 --> 00:42:01.960 behind Calipari ahead? He's behind? Uh he had he's Cali Parti's twenty two, 623 00:42:02.679 --> 00:42:06.440 Jaye Wright's twenty three, which makes no sense. Jaye Write's a pretty 624 00:42:06.440 --> 00:42:08.280 gone good coach. Yeah, he's got how many how you know, how 625 00:42:08.280 --> 00:42:12.599 many national cham too does he have? Right too? You got to and 626 00:42:12.599 --> 00:42:15.079 how many does Calipari have? I think maybe two? Maybe one? Maybe 627 00:42:15.079 --> 00:42:20.039 one one of Kentucky that's for sure. Yeah, okay, one Patino, 628 00:42:22.440 --> 00:42:28.960 you know it's Patino sixteen, seventeen, twenty twenty twenty, Denny Crumb nineteen, 629 00:42:29.880 --> 00:42:34.719 Billy Donovan eighteen because he went back to be and but but that was 630 00:42:34.760 --> 00:42:37.119 it, you know. Yeah, he's more of a coach. I'd have 631 00:42:37.199 --> 00:42:39.960 him at like twenty six or twenty seven. Yeah, you know, I 632 00:42:40.000 --> 00:42:43.800 know he won two championships because he had you know, in the first time, 633 00:42:43.920 --> 00:42:45.840 you know, a long time. Yeah, he hit the jackpot with 634 00:42:45.920 --> 00:42:49.559 a you know, with a roster for a couple of years there. John 635 00:42:49.599 --> 00:42:53.800 Thompson, See how I would think that he would be a top ten? 636 00:42:54.159 --> 00:42:59.840 Yeah, seventeen, yeah, seventeen, give me your before I even go 637 00:42:59.840 --> 00:43:06.559 to the lud Olsen's he's probably gonna be like fourteen twelve, okay twelve. 638 00:43:06.679 --> 00:43:08.760 The only thing that they screwed upon this is they spelled Olsen with a knee. 639 00:43:09.280 --> 00:43:15.280 You know that I was, man, Come on, Ludels were the 640 00:43:15.320 --> 00:43:20.639 best. O L E S E N what what? Okay? And Tom 641 00:43:20.719 --> 00:43:24.280 is a good number. Tom is o'header behind Lut probably ahead because he's won 642 00:43:24.320 --> 00:43:28.360 more championship. Ten ten, yeah, ten, Okay, here's the top 643 00:43:28.400 --> 00:43:31.239 ten. Calhoun nine, which is good. Cayhun went off you Bill self 644 00:43:31.320 --> 00:43:35.360 eight, he's like the modern day guy. He's like the modern day guy. 645 00:43:36.320 --> 00:43:39.159 Uh, this one's gonna really get you upset. Jim Beheim seven, 646 00:43:39.519 --> 00:43:44.320 Oh say, I wouldn't have him my head of LUT. I would not. 647 00:43:45.239 --> 00:43:52.320 Plus he killed a guy accidentally. Legend six, Roy Williams okay teen 648 00:43:52.400 --> 00:43:58.840 Smith five, Yeah, eat off Rup four. I don't know enough about 649 00:43:58.880 --> 00:44:01.880 you. I'd I'd take him off the list just because he was racist. 650 00:44:02.960 --> 00:44:10.559 Bobby Knight three, Okay, who is who? That's easy? Two I'm 651 00:44:10.599 --> 00:44:17.480 trying to blink. Come on, easy, come on, coach k And 652 00:44:17.559 --> 00:44:23.639 of course John wouldn't been. I'm sorry, and at least that's the problem. 653 00:44:23.679 --> 00:44:27.280 Okay, that's me, my daughter's name, and I might not be 654 00:44:27.320 --> 00:44:32.760 able to tell you. Okay, so I apologize. I know, I 655 00:44:34.039 --> 00:44:38.000 know I already looked stupid. I look stupid by not having it on the 656 00:44:38.000 --> 00:44:43.119 tip of my tongue. But that's again, that's what it is. That's 657 00:44:43.159 --> 00:44:46.400 who we are, and that's why you're here to get us that keep it 658 00:44:46.440 --> 00:44:54.639 fresh. No tickets, you have virtual tickets. You can't put that on 659 00:44:57.519 --> 00:45:00.400 you know, you know that's that list sounds okay. You know, I 660 00:45:00.840 --> 00:45:04.000 think Loot's in a good spot. He's not top ten, but he's you 661 00:45:04.039 --> 00:45:07.159 know yeah, I mean again, he only won one championship. Let me 662 00:45:07.280 --> 00:45:08.320 let me bring something up because I know the Greg listens to the show. 663 00:45:08.440 --> 00:45:12.519 Now again, So you saw somebody notes, yeah, and then and then 664 00:45:12.599 --> 00:45:16.679 you talked about blue Blood's modern blah blah blah. You can't go from eighty 665 00:45:16.719 --> 00:45:21.800 four. You have to go from way before that because that's where they're established. 666 00:45:21.880 --> 00:45:23.880 Yeah, yeah, yeah, you know Duke and not Duke, but 667 00:45:23.960 --> 00:45:29.840 North Carolina U c l A, Kentucky. They're kind of Kansas. Those 668 00:45:29.880 --> 00:45:31.719 guys were blue bloods back in the father day. Yeah, their grandfather did 669 00:45:31.960 --> 00:45:37.000 and whatever. Right, But you know, to his point, great numbers, 670 00:45:37.239 --> 00:45:39.360 great numbers. If I just wanted to win one or two more, 671 00:45:40.519 --> 00:45:45.360 one or two more, yeah, then I'm with you. But you know, 672 00:45:45.440 --> 00:45:46.800 somebody put up a stat did you see this? It was on, 673 00:45:46.920 --> 00:45:51.199 It was on, It was on social media that Arizona's like, oh, 674 00:45:51.239 --> 00:45:53.760 one of the winners? Yeah, fifth or fifth? I think in wins 675 00:45:53.800 --> 00:45:59.960 since what uh the last I saw that twenty five years or something like? 676 00:46:00.360 --> 00:46:04.880 What do they have the show for? Its? Well, a lot of 677 00:46:04.880 --> 00:46:08.679 wins? So did you get my boy? Right? Not a lot of 678 00:46:08.679 --> 00:46:15.920 wins when it matters, I like you, Well, there's that they went 679 00:46:15.960 --> 00:46:21.199 along again. You know what. She's a dude, he understands, understands. 680 00:46:21.400 --> 00:46:24.599 No, but I get it because I mean they've won more recently. 681 00:46:25.960 --> 00:46:30.039 Let me say this to you, and so what's done some of your buddies 682 00:46:30.079 --> 00:46:32.719 and some of my people to ask me questions? What's the knock on loot 683 00:46:34.440 --> 00:46:38.000 En Championships? Okay? First round? Okay, So wouldn't you think that 684 00:46:38.119 --> 00:46:42.760 coach Kse suffers from that a lot too. Given all his talent, he 685 00:46:42.800 --> 00:46:47.039 has five, But wouldn't you think that he would have had more Court Williamson 686 00:46:47.079 --> 00:46:52.199 Williamson? That was court? Is that the guy that's playing with New Ordans 687 00:46:52.239 --> 00:46:59.559 right now? Oh? Uh? That guy, the big guyon Zion. 688 00:46:59.679 --> 00:47:02.920 Yeah, all those talented teams that he had, that was a shoeing to 689 00:47:04.000 --> 00:47:07.519 win a title and he didn't. Yeah, there's been I mean, yeah, 690 00:47:07.599 --> 00:47:10.519 Zion r J. That team is pretty good. So you don't want 691 00:47:10.559 --> 00:47:13.840 to you know what I'm saying? He could have had maybe, but we 692 00:47:13.880 --> 00:47:17.800 know how college basketball goes. It's hard. Yeah, do we know how 693 00:47:17.840 --> 00:47:21.159 it goes. It's not like, oh, you have Zion, You're in 694 00:47:21.880 --> 00:47:27.920 the championship. To that point, they were like Arizona were shoeings a couple 695 00:47:27.960 --> 00:47:30.800 of times. They didn't even get to the final four. Duke were shoeings 696 00:47:30.840 --> 00:47:35.519 to get and they didn't too. To your point, that's how the beauty 697 00:47:35.559 --> 00:47:38.559 of March mad is exactly that's the beauty. That's why his buddies who ask 698 00:47:38.639 --> 00:47:43.239 him that question don't get the scope of it. Yeah, am I am 699 00:47:43.239 --> 00:47:46.840 I wrong? Am I misspeaking? No, you're not. That's why having 700 00:47:46.920 --> 00:47:52.760 five is amazing got to call real quick. This party to the point. 701 00:47:53.239 --> 00:47:59.360 Hey, youre on the air, Nico. What's it was that list you 702 00:47:59.360 --> 00:48:04.719 were breaking down top twenty five all time college basketball coaches. First of all, 703 00:48:04.760 --> 00:48:09.960 my boy Ricky b should be top ten. He's got out the baggage 704 00:48:10.000 --> 00:48:15.599 though. Hey man, he knows what it takes to win. And you 705 00:48:15.599 --> 00:48:20.960 know what baggage is, like Nico's middle name. So Nicle loves the bag, 706 00:48:21.199 --> 00:48:25.599 Jay saying not man, So you take the boats to a strip club? 707 00:48:25.639 --> 00:48:30.880 Man? I thought the strip cub went to them, and yeah, 708 00:48:30.880 --> 00:48:34.679 they brought it to their dorms. Hey man, I'm not trying to get 709 00:48:34.679 --> 00:48:38.519 too specific. How you doing? Okay? Yeah? Am all right man? 710 00:48:38.519 --> 00:48:42.519 It's cold weather. Man. Let me ask you something right now, 711 00:48:42.639 --> 00:48:47.280 February seventh, whatever day it is. How far is Arizona going? Realistically? 712 00:48:49.239 --> 00:48:53.360 Man, I don't care softball starts something. How far are they going? 713 00:48:54.679 --> 00:48:59.440 They're probably gonna win it though. Oh jesus, he's got to the 714 00:48:59.480 --> 00:49:02.840 desert. He's gone to the desert. Have you got could you go to 715 00:49:02.880 --> 00:49:07.199 the desert anymore? Do you just kind of hang out? Man? I'm 716 00:49:07.239 --> 00:49:09.599 an engage man. Oh yeah, yeah, you didn't want to talk about 717 00:49:09.639 --> 00:49:15.719 it could do with somebody else. Yeah, seriously, thank you, thank 718 00:49:21.039 --> 00:49:23.960 so. To the point of, that's how difficult it is to win a 719 00:49:24.079 --> 00:49:29.960 title. You have five and great because that's they had on r J. 720 00:49:30.119 --> 00:49:34.199 Who else is on that team? And then they went to the final four. 721 00:49:34.239 --> 00:49:37.920 I think they did lead eight or something. They were pretty far, 722 00:49:37.599 --> 00:49:43.480 you know, And was that a disappointment? Of course it was a disappointment, 723 00:49:43.480 --> 00:49:47.280 but that's what happened. That's the beauty of March. She's realistic. 724 00:49:49.159 --> 00:49:53.280 Well, yeah, that's why it's so hard because anything can happen. Princeton 725 00:49:53.280 --> 00:49:58.639 can upset Arizona. Dude can lose with Zion on the team, sure they 726 00:49:58.639 --> 00:50:02.119 can, or they can lose to Arizona. Derek Williams right right, And 727 00:50:01.360 --> 00:50:06.360 that was probably another another one of those duke teams that could have won it 728 00:50:06.400 --> 00:50:12.800 all. That was a Kyrie Irving right on that team. I can't remember. 729 00:50:15.000 --> 00:50:21.039 It's not like they haven't had talent dukes the players. And then yeah, 730 00:50:21.159 --> 00:50:24.679 are you are you comfortable with the new coach John Shire. I think 731 00:50:24.679 --> 00:50:29.079 he's great. I think he was the perfect fit. He was an assistant 732 00:50:29.079 --> 00:50:34.320 over under coach k for however many a player. Yeah, I think he 733 00:50:34.440 --> 00:50:37.719 was a perfect fit. And I think he's done a great job. And 734 00:50:37.760 --> 00:50:42.039 it doesn't seem like coach k has been super involved. Yeah, after he 735 00:50:42.119 --> 00:50:45.079 retired, he's been to he went to the Arizona game, maybe another one 736 00:50:45.119 --> 00:50:52.079 or two game. He's looking he did that was fine, But I mean, 737 00:50:52.119 --> 00:50:53.559 I think he's done a great job. They have another, don't They 738 00:50:53.599 --> 00:50:57.400 have, like the number one recruit coming next year? Yeah? What's his 739 00:50:57.480 --> 00:51:00.199 name? Okay? So what what's it going to be? Like I can 740 00:51:00.239 --> 00:51:04.480 be during the Tournament's gonna be like in here with you in here? I 741 00:51:04.519 --> 00:51:09.559 don't know. I don't know. I'm ready for both Arizona and uh huh 742 00:51:10.199 --> 00:51:15.320 Okay, if aar Zone and Duke are playing Arizona, are you really you're 743 00:51:15.360 --> 00:51:22.280 not school? I can root for Duke when I'm not. My brother would 744 00:51:22.320 --> 00:51:25.280 root for Duke. Yeah, house divided. When Duke played Arizona, I 745 00:51:25.320 --> 00:51:30.320 called them I was a gentleman's and I called the master like watching on the 746 00:51:30.320 --> 00:51:32.960 big screen and you're reality at him. We kicked your butt? Nice? 747 00:51:34.400 --> 00:51:37.599 Okay, all right, that's all I want to know. That's my school, 748 00:51:37.920 --> 00:51:39.880 I know. But still, and when you're you're intoucson, like you 749 00:51:39.920 --> 00:51:45.000 don't want Duke to win pretty much pretty much. Yeah, there wasna have 750 00:51:45.039 --> 00:51:50.159 fans have Duke And do you have a lot of Duke here? Yeah, 751 00:51:50.280 --> 00:51:52.679 like T shirt. I mean the growing up, my mom is always getting 752 00:51:52.679 --> 00:51:58.039 a Duke here. He Actually my daughter did got her master's over there. 753 00:51:58.119 --> 00:52:00.639 Okay recently. So you're not a hater. No, I've never hated Duke. 754 00:52:01.159 --> 00:52:05.000 And in fact, but I had a Duke sweat rd for the longest 755 00:52:05.000 --> 00:52:07.519 time because a buddy of mine worked for company whose home office was there and 756 00:52:07.719 --> 00:52:10.519 one time when they said you need to come back with it sweatshirt for me. 757 00:52:10.679 --> 00:52:14.800 Yeah. I think I've had some touch big fancas when my mom was 758 00:52:14.840 --> 00:52:20.320 there is when they got good when bills that was that was the beginning of 759 00:52:20.320 --> 00:52:22.679 it. Thank yous from Phoenix. Yeah, okay, hey, good show 760 00:52:22.679 --> 00:52:24.920 today. All right, this was fun. Frank Middleton, appreciate it again. 761 00:52:25.000 --> 00:52:29.320 Brandon Sanders, thanks for helping us get Frank and Jim Anderson. Good 762 00:52:29.360 --> 00:52:30.840 luck with the golf, the men's golf. We appreciate you being here as 763 00:52:30.880 --> 00:52:35.800 well. And we'll be back tomorrow. We've got another Super Bowl participant tomorrow 764 00:52:36.079 --> 00:52:38.679 in Marquis Flowers. Yeah, and uh, and we'll have some more talk 765 00:52:38.719 --> 00:52:43.119 about it, just some of the uh, some of the stuff going on 766 00:52:43.199 --> 00:52:45.000 around, UH, around the n C Double A. So be sure to 767 00:52:45.000 --> 00:52:47.679 come back tomorrow and we'll have some more super Bowl talk. Thanks for being here.