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hand and half as Wanda they die
cross even though it r They tell her

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at the battle, wish up that
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brothers Dick it said, how about
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know when it was half we love
the Tenner rocks, half gaps and temn

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row. You know he's us,
He's nothing to die about. Why don't

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you tire love that is controlled?
That that's the soul. So what I'm

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saying up a battle, a ring
of jewels and the boat doil what bad

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and your facts rain man a roll. Let me tell you it wasn't a

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suit suit me go gofs and thrill
my bad red stove up on Dobo tack

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to die up braids straight on the
bone box the track us I joe that

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knock up that round there I dropped
up ding say we love the demo Rockers,

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damp gas and heave and row.
You mean us and out the dial

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bone. Why don't you try a
letter of exact control. Let us a

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salt st Tamo Rockers, damn gas
and heal and row. You mean us.

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It's other dial bone. Why don't
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Let us a sallu who was a
cooper coming up the demo rhymes damn gas

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and then roll you'll lead us.
It's like the Diablo. Why up to

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ti a lettle that does control?
That that's a sall The tabo rods damn

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gap and then roll you'll lead us. He's another diaboll. Why not to

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ti a lettle that the control and
that that's a sall Oh, that's good

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stuff. Oh, I didn't mean
to talk over the end of it.

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There, that's good stuff. That
is a devil rock and that is inverter

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I think he's on the phone line
on the studio line with us. Deek

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are you there? Yeah? What's
up man? How you doing? Hey

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man? I love that track.
We have Deeke from Inverter here on the

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phone with us, and uh yeah, should I go ahead and disconnect you

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from Skype? Is this? Yeah? That's spinning you. I can hear

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you. It's weird because these the
connections on both isn't so great. I

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think I live in some like Berm
Triangle, like in Massachusetts. Who knows,

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Yeah, you never know. With
Skype. It's uh, it's hit

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or miss. It's better than it
used to be, but it's still will

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fail us at times, as technology
can often do. But I'm glad to

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have you here. Man. I
love this I love this band. Inverter

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You sent us a few tracks and
we're gonna We're gonna play some more a

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little bit later. I'll play another
one at the end of our discussion.

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But great, great stuff, very
very catchy but heavy. You know,

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it's it's catchy and heavy, which
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but really really good. Thank you, Thank you appreciate that. Yes,

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someone recently called us dance metal.
I'm like, I don't know if it's

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true, but that's cool. And
one thing we find is every time we

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play, the chicks are always moving
up front, which I'll take any day

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because we always try to. We
always try to kind of have that groove

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elements to things as opposed to blast
beats and all that stuff, which we

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love too, but it's just not
what we do. Yeah, I totally

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get that dance metal. I like
that. I wouldn't have thought of that

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term, but that completely makes sense
and uh yeah, very cool. Yeah,

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you guys are all Are you all
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correct, Yeah, Boston area,
And strange that we all, uh,

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every single member of the band at
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was affiliated with the former radio station
WBCN out of Boston one oh four one.

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Yeah, we were talking about many
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we were talking about that earlier.
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and I vividly remember WBCN, although
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of the There's a documentary that came
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a book that came out. I

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made it like four I was like
a later guard of BCN. I'm in

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like four pages of the book.
Maybe, yeah, but it's more about,

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like the said, I didn't even
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so it's about like the seventies era
of BCN, the heyday. And there

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was a documentary, and to be
honest, I have not seen it,

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even though I worked there for seven
years. I'm ashamed to say. No,

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I'm with you, I haven't seen
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my list my Netflix rentals or whatever. There you go. No, like

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I said, I haven't seen it
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so I definitely need to see it. But but I've heard really good

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things. You're getting some love in
the Facebook live chat. By the way,

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Legion of Solace says inverter is a
great, high energy live show that

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doesn't surprise me, and we love
the Legion, so thank you. Oh

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very nice, very nice. And
Jay Bellow from the band Chasing the Devil

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is also in the chat room and
said rock with multiple with multiple exclamation points,

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so I think he digs what you're
doing as well. Yeah, can

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you kind of So can you kind
of fill us in on the I was

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reading your bio, I'd love to
hear you kind of take us through the

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origin story of the band because it's
a little bit unconventional, and plus you

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throw in the piece where you've all
worked at WBCN once upon a time.

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So can you kind of fill us
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Well, yeah, I didn't start
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more coincidence. And I guess you
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of rock or the scene, be
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It's all it's a small yeah,
so you know, like our drummer Jeff

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used to be in the band Seventh
Rail Crew, which is a pretty big

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like metal hardcare band out of Boston
area. He later drummed for Genufleck,

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which was fronted by Drew from the
Van Revley who did odds. This Bill

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Bracken's been in five thousand bands.
He's our guitarist, Jeff Law and drummer.

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I think I mentioned that. So
he and I were in a rage

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of guessing tribute band called Age against
the Machine at one point time. I

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played drums for that, So I
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Jimmy Evangelista was kind of a neck
breaker the muscle for the BCN Street Team

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at one point in time, and
I loosely knew him back then. Just

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you know, this linebacker sized doe
in the hallway to say hi, I

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do, never knowing he played bass, guitar and lo and behold fast forward

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many years he's playing bass for us. The dude smokes a great player.

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Bill Bracken probably arguably and not in
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in the New England area maybe beyond. He's got a trophy case of like

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Shredder competition trophies. He's incredible nice
and Jess killer drummers. So it started

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off though, as a studio project. Bill and I hanging out of his

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basement drinking whiskey writing songs in the
aftermath of another band we were in called

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Death Dealer. Thee app like deaf
Jam Records, you know, and we

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thought it was clever at the time. Yeah, yeah, And that fizzled

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out and we started writing our own
stuff, and I was drumming for that

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old project too, and I started
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vocalists in the span of time.
At one point, I'm like, why

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am I writing vocals and lyrics for
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vocalist, right, And it kind
of just happened. So from a studio

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project, the first album just me
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and doing vocals. He's playing bass, guitar and guitar. He started getting

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all these gig offers and we decided
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now we've just released our fourth album. Wow, congratulations. Now the tracks

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that we're hearing today are they all
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this is actually the first time.
We've been signed to a label too,

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which has been cool. East of
the Earth Records. They're based out of

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the Connecticut area. It's like,
well, you know, Scissor Fight.

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I'm sure they're from right around where
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Fights on that label. Kings and
Liars, this other band that's kind of

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members of d Snyder, his band
The Snyder from Twisted Sister Fame. Yeah.

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Uh, Casting Shadows, a bunch
of really cool band's hero in the

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horror The Salts of the Earth Records
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but a month ago, maybe Sonic
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that right now, album number four, and we kind of pulled all the

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stops on it. I definitely feel
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think it's our best album so far. We kind of hit our stride.

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Corey Glover, we get the thumbs
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of the tracks, which was huge. He's one of He's won two Grammys,

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so that was just a little surreal
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and uh yeah, I just I
think it's a heck of an album in

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terms of, you know, being
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thought a bizarre thematic things in there. Has the Has the sound changed over

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the years, because obviously, as
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and and then and then it grew
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which is a self titled we recorded
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Uh, yeah, and the first
one is a little angrier and a

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little more kind of political. I
guess, you know, take whatever message

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anyway you want it. But it's
a little angrier. Yeah, And uh,

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it's funny. I look back,
my voice was a lot clearer than

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like years and years of doing this
has just changed my speaking voice. You

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know, it's a lout raspier.
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uh, it's it's funny. When
we first started playing, we kept getting

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branded as rap rock, you know, like new metal, hip hop metal,

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which I never really felt we were. But there are a lot of

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trailer that have kind of a hip
hop rhyming hayden or delivery, So I

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get it at the same point.
Sure, I just never like that term,

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like damn it, like there's more. You know, we're doing more

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than that, but you know when
you get pigeonholed on something the kind of

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things. But truth be told,
I grew up with a lot of crossover

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bands like you know, Downset,
bio Hazard do all employed hip hop elements,

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so I see where that's coming from. Yeah. Yeah, so it

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was a fair enough assessment. But
are more modern stuff? Sure of some

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of the verses and stuff. I
still like to to rhyme and all that,

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but it's a little more songish than
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Do you still play any of the
early material live? Did any of those

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songs make it into the present iteration
of the band? Yeah, well yes

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and no. There's a track it's
kind of become It was our first track

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ever written. It's kind of become
a fan favorite for like a heavier song.

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It's called back in the Dirt.
It's basically about like stopping lazy bump

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sitting around doing nothing and whining about
it, like get up while you still

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have some life. You know,
you're complaining while other people out out there

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are double amputees fighting cancer. I'd
listened to some of my friends whining and

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Facebook about their problems, which amounted
to basically nothing. It's like stopping a

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total whining loser. Get out there
and live your life. You know you're

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lucky enough to be here, right, And that was our first track.

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We still play that one, and
it's funny. I told this story to

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someone recently. You write these songs
never, you know, you never really,

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I don't know how to explain this. And radio was the same way

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you do your show. You talk, but you kind of never realize that

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people are actually listening and taking it
all in sometimes because you're just in a

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room by yourself, doing your thing. Right, some woman came up to

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me at a show and she told
me that that song in the chorus chorus

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and she played it repeatedly helped her
fight and get through cancer. I was

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like, what, Wow, Like, I write these songs like this,

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never think you're going to reach anyone, especially in some of the emotional level,

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but that like hit me too.
I was like, oh my god,

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Like I never would have thought anyone
would have received it or used the

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track as sucked, so it was
very flat. But that's I think the

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only one. We still working to
defect a lot of the stuff. I

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mean, like in any band you're
write new material, you want to play

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all the new stuff that it's new, it's fresh, it's fighting. I

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mean, we're actually working in an
album five already. But you know there's

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one song we play that's a no
album. But the new album, Sonic

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Vandalism, is still very fresh to
us. It's fun to play these tracks

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to people who haven't heard of them
yet to see how they come off.

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And it's been the reception has been
very good so far, excellent. And

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how did that come about you signing
with AsSalt of the Earth, Because you

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know, the music business has changed
so much, and you know you've got

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various options in terms of how you
want to market and promote your music,

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whether you sign with the label,
whether you do it on your own and

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all that. How did that come
about signing with that label? Truth be

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total if I was if I had
to hand the blame or the credit to

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one person. This guy Dwayne Eldridge, Battle Jacket is nickname, this guy

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from Connecticut. He was the scene
down there is great, and a lot

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of the bands around this area Central
mass as well. We network and hang

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out with all of these bands.
This guy reached out to us. They

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used to be this club and all
places Jewet City, Connecticut, like in

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the middle of nowhere. I actually
have some family from there. But there

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was this hole in the walk club
we'd play and the place was awesome,

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like people would be so supportive of
bands. They would show up, stay

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to the end. This guy gave
us a chance, brought us onto some

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show. It was like a two
room festival thing and he's like, listen,

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I'll give you guys a chance on
the show. But you're going in

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the second stage, second room.
On first it's like, oh craft,

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I'm like, you got to say
your dudes, yep. We thought it

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was gonna be this. You know, we'll do the show and maybe we'll

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give us something better next time.
We got there early. There were a

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ton of people. We sold so
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And through that we playing shows down
there. We got to know Scott

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Harrington and Christy his wife who runs
Salt of the Earth record They saw us

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a bunch of times. They were
fans. They have kids, like very

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young kids were fans too, so
we just started getting to know them,

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and at first I didn't know it
ran a label. Yeah, and it

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turns out he runs Salt of the
Earth Records. We almost did our last

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album with him as well, but
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Doing a release from other friends of
ours Dead by Wednesday, who were

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playing with Oh Tomorrow in fact in
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a couple other releases, is a
fight being one. So oh, let's

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see long short of it. Dead
by Wednesday. That's the name I haven't

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heard in a while, but very
familiar with them. Yeah. Oh that's

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cool. Yeah, Oh yeah,
they're still around. They put an album

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recently. It's awesome. Oh,
I'll have to check that out. I'll

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have to check that out. I
had them years ago when I was booking

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shows here in Manchester. I had
them up for Oh wow, that was

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a geez. I don't even want
to think about how long ago that was

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now that I'm thinking about it,
but right you and me, Yeah,

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it was a long time ago.
So you guys, I assume you're playing

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a lot. You're doing a lot
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we're a pretty busy band. We got

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some and things have been getting better
and better, fat good. We played

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not that long ago with Living Color
in Burlington, Vermont. We're actually gonna

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be playing with them on January twenty
eighth at the Angel City Music Hall.

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Oh right, in Manchester. We're
opening for a Living Color, which is

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like home, come on, like
you know again. They want two Grammy.

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They sold like four million albums yeah, their kick Ass Yeah. And

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then tomorrow, like I said,
the Vault in New Bedford with our friends

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and said by Wednesday, and this
van Lydia's Castle. It's John Wisaki,

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the drummer from Stained, former drummer
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and a couple others, I believe. So that's the Skiller Club,

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the vaulton at Bedford, and we
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from Scissor Fight in Vermont and then
down in Rhode Island. We play all

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over New England quite frequently, a
couple of times a month. Yeah,

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So it's been good. It's being
consistent, excellent, excellent, and I

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imagine the live show is pretty pretty
high energy. How long? How long

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do you guys play for do you
do I mean, do you do like

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a fourpence I mean some of these
mega bills you'll get anywhere from like a

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thirty minute set to an hour set
usually Yeah, and on all these like

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if you have twenty bands, then
they're all high energy you're allowed and saft

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and aggressive, like there's only so
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right, which we're usually I don't
know how to put this. We're usually

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with a lighter bands, let's call
it. Because we'll get billed with all

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these like blast black metal, death
metal bands some of them. Yeah,

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I love that stuff. Yeah,
but we time and time again we'll get

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the comment like, oh, you
guys were a welcome pace changer in the

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set, you know, just having
a very different style. But it's still

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heavy. There's still I heard you
guys talking about van Halen earlier. There's

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all these throwback elements too. Bill
Brack and her guitarist, huge van Halen

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fan. He owns the the Eddie
van Halen with the fifty one to fifty

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whatever guitar that signed like an actual
model from He's like upset, Oh no

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kidding, Yeah, So it's a
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but we're definitely a melting pot of
many things in terms of influences and

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all of us being kind of slightly
different ages too. And what about I'm

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curious about your drummer. I've noticed
a trend on the show recently when I'm

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talking to bands. It seems like
everyone's drummer these days is in multiple bands.

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So I'm curious if Jeff Lawn l
hefe I see his nickname on the

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web. Yeah, is he in
like ten other bands or is he being

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a drummer myself? This is the
only band I've ever front that I've played

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drums and bands forever kidding, yeah, so, but yeah, drummers,

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especially ones that are competent or never
mind ones that are really good, are

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in high demand. Even more demand
are good bass players. So if you're

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out there and contemplating playing an instrument, pick up the bass. Every band

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needs a good bassis. They're really
hard to find. Everyone plays guitar,

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Yeah, yeah, a thousand good
guitarist. There's a couple of great ones

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and there's a ton of lousy ones. But Jeff he does play in another

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band called the Grizzly Band band okay, yeah, but in Verter Usuals is

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luckily for us, scheduling kind of
his priority, even though he makes good

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money with that other band because they're
more like a like cover band, you

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know, they play like bar gigs
and stuff. They're really good. Yeah

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yeah, but luckily for us as
Allegiance seems to be the majority of it

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with Inverter excellent. Oh that's good
to hear. And yeah, bass players

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too, You're right, I tend
to be in high demand. I'm a

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bass player and h geez, I
was playing in multiple bands at once back

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when I when I used to play, when I was really you know,

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heavy in the in the scene.
But yeah, I think I think with

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bass players as you're right. You
know, everyone wants to play guitar.

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You get more glory that way.
And and I think with with drummers.

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My theory has always been that when
you're growing up and you first you're getting

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interested in playing a musical instrument,
well, you know, because you you

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are also a drummer. You know, you got to have that conversation with

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your parents at some point about yeah, you know, I want to learn

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to play play this or that,
and then you got to if you wanted

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to play drums. You got to
kind of talk them into letting you bring

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a drum set into the house.
Makes a lot of noise. Yeah,

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A favorite kids, not a favorite
of parents. When I first started drumming,

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my parents basically wouldn't let me until
I reached an agreement with them.

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I said, listen, if I
save up my own money mowing lawns and

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all those other craft and shoveling driveways, I buy my own drum set.

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They're like, okay, if you
do that. Sure I did. I've

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been playing forever. But again,
bass players the toughest, the toughest to

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find. We lucked out big time. Jimmy Jimmy Eaves would call me holds

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down the low end very nicely.
He's a great presence in the stage.

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The dude hilarious. I mean,
a total team player. You know.

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We feel these bands have played with
over the year, some of them just

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be falling apart because they don't get
along, argue over scoopid things, some

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one of the bands got a drug
problem or whatever. Luckily, knock on

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Wood we've had like no problems and
we've been together like seven or so years.

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Oh that's good, that's excellent.
And by the way, I was

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reading in your bios, so you
not only did you work at WBCN,

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but you were also an HGTV host. Yeah I was. I did a

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show called Tiny House Builders over Seas. Oh wow. Yeah, it was

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an it was an interesting experience,
kind of a nightmare, to be honest,

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But what was it really? I'm
curious. It was so like tolling

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physically and like they didn't know what
they were doing. And I told them

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we need more people, we need
more time to build all these things,

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and they, you know, it
just it was tough, but it was

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fun because we have to do some
traveling and spend a ton of their money.

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And yeah, and I still build
a lot of the treehouses and crazy

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structures, custom build them for people
and design them for a living. Each

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workshops about building, construction and kind
of alternative design all around the US,

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even in a couple of me,
my brother and I in Australia, tas

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Mania. I go all over the
place doing that stuff. I'm looking back

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from my I've authored several books for
a publisher, and one of them right

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now that's doing about a month is
based on treehouses. Oh no, kidding,

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Oh it all comes kind of full
circle. If only I could combine

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metal in free houses or whatever,
I'd be a happy man. More.

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If I could extend the twenty four
hour a day to forty eight, I

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could get more done. Yeah,
I think we all have that problem.

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I can relate to that. Oh
yeah, no, that's uh, that's

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really cool though. So you've written
now the books that you've written about this,

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I assume it's under the name Derek
Didrickson or I don't know if you

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Yeah. I go by yeah Deep, you know, like even in the

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building design scene, I go by
Deep. I have a couple of YouTube

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channels, one of which is you
know, fairly Large. I got about

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two hundred and thirty thousand subscribers.
And so I do like ten or eleven

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things that I'll culminate as a job
and a half for a living. But

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they're all all life hobby jobs.
Let's call them stuff I love doing.

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Anyway. I do a lot of
custom artwork and design. I have an

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Instagram page which is just Deep Dejos
and art I just started for all my

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like graffiti and artwork stuff like that. When we play live, we get

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a couple of stage props we use
that are kind of street art. I've

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done these big stand up creature things. Oh wow. Yeah, some people

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have compared to White Zombie. That's
another one. They're talking about dance metal

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and groove and all that and truth
be told. When Las s Extasy So

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from White Zombie came out, I
ate that album up. I just loved

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it. So even the artwork tie
and I'm like, okay, it's fair

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enough. You know Static x White
Zombie. Those are frequent comparisons. Yeah,

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yeah, that's those are you know, you'll take those right, I

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mean those are that puts you in
good com Yeah, that puts you in

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very good company. We're both bands
again, to use the term over and

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over. They both have groove.
They have that you know, that locker

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like you know, band like Pantera
wasn't just about thrash beat Minnie Paul and

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drums really had. They grew the
thing and that's why I loved them.

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I think they did well with big
beats and Jeff brings that every time,

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so it works out nicely. And
by the way, so what did you

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What did you do at WBCN Were
you an on air personality or yeah?

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So I was from seven to midnight
I was just an on air DJ for

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about seven years. Yeah, yeah, and it was it was fun.

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I mean I didn't grow up in
the area, so it's one of those

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like, oh my god, you
worked at WBCN. I named fewer remember

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now since they're gone. Sure,
but it's like having not grown up here,

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it wasn't as big a thing to
me, but you know, later

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I quickly realized how important that safety
was the Boston, how legendary it was.

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It broke you too, they broke
the cars. You know, quite

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a few big bands that really helped
at the drop Kick Murphy's and on and

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on. And it was fun.
I mean I got to interview everyone from

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like James Hatfield to you know,
the guys in Green Day to you know

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you and that era from the late
nineties to about two thousand and six.

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Any band that came out then,
I probably interviewed, Oh wow, okay

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and Tapros who are playing with It's
funny, Oh you interviewed them about three

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or four times. No kidding,
I know, at least ahead of time.

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We haven't played with them yet.
I know they're at least very nice

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guys. Oh that's cool, that's
cool, very good, very good.

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Uh, wow, you got a
lot going on. That's uh, that's

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fantastic, but really really glad to
see. Like I said, I love

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the tunes. I think what you're
doing is amazing and definitely want to thank

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you. Definitely want to catch you, catch you live in the future and

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oh by that, let us know, man, let us know. Yeah,

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definitely. By the way, what
does the name mean? Is there

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any meaning behind the name Inverter?
No, A lot of people ask that,

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and uh, I could give you
stories among stories upon the song with

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the name. Uh. Anytime you're
in a band, and you've been in

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band like to come up with a
name. It just sometimes comes down to

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something that sounds cool. Yeah,
I want something that had a little bit

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of a technical, nerdy almost industrial
edge, you know, inverter being like

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a solar, you know inverter you
know, in electronics, wiring stuff like

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that. Yeah, and uh,
it's just easy enough to remember. And

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it was the only and I mean
the only name that all four of us

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didn't hate. Oh no kidding,
Yeah, there were a lot. I

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can't remember somebody had names now,
there was so many, actually just two

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of us. It was Bill and
I excuse me because at the time.

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There really was no band the First
Sea. He was just two of us.

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Oh yeah, but him and I
had completely different ideas and song names,

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and it came down to inverter.
It's kind of that hard continent edge.

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Yeah, you know, uh it
almost sounds German, sharp edged word.

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Yeah, that's basically. I wish
there was some Really I should make

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up some cooler story, but that's
all it is. Yeah, yeah,

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No, it's cool. I like
it. It's uh, it's definitely a

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good name. Well, Deek,
We're gonna let you go in a minute,

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and I'm gonna play uh uh after
we let you go, I'm gonna

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play next Stone Cold Shocker. That's
my personal favorite of the ones that you

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sent us. And then we'll we'll
play a third track of course, at

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the end of the show today.
But yeah, I love it. Oh

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sorry, go ahead. Sorry,
not that bands released so to speak singles

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anymore, but that's kind of the
song we're going to work in a video

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for soon and all that. It's
kind of like the single, you know,

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if a label were to send it
out out the one song. Yeah,

407
00:27:22,799 --> 00:27:26,720
and it's the song that everybody when
we played it live before the album

408
00:27:26,839 --> 00:27:30,680
was out everybody caught on to that
chorus really quickly. Yeah, and that's

409
00:27:30,680 --> 00:27:33,279
how we kind of kne like,
oh, this is the song. Those

410
00:27:33,319 --> 00:27:36,440
are my fact dogs don't mind that. I was gonna say, are you

411
00:27:36,480 --> 00:27:41,799
all right? It sounded like something
sounded like something just tried to devour you.

412
00:27:42,799 --> 00:27:47,319
Yeah, someone's arriving at the house, and I got a couple of

413
00:27:47,359 --> 00:27:48,920
dogs who are quite loud. Oh
I see, yeah, no worries.

414
00:27:49,400 --> 00:27:52,960
Yeah, I do love this track. So we're gonna play this in a

415
00:27:52,039 --> 00:27:56,559
second. And then so do you
want to just remind us too about the

416
00:27:56,759 --> 00:27:59,920
show that you've got coming up?
The show with Taproot is that this weekend?

417
00:28:00,519 --> 00:28:03,839
Yeah? It it's tomorrow. Actually
it's a Thursday show. Tatoo's playing

418
00:28:03,839 --> 00:28:07,920
at the Vault in New Bedford.
Oh yeah yeah with dead By Wednesday and

419
00:28:08,200 --> 00:28:15,480
Lydia's Castle, and I think that
same tour of the next night's coming up

420
00:28:15,480 --> 00:28:19,559
to Walls in New Hampshire near you
guys, but anyone who's in between come

421
00:28:19,640 --> 00:28:23,480
down to the Vault. One yeah, we're going out. It's once like

422
00:28:23,559 --> 00:28:26,319
weekday shows, so it starts on
the earlier side. I think one seven

423
00:28:26,839 --> 00:28:30,640
we're like the maybe the second band
on earlier, but we'll be doing our

424
00:28:30,680 --> 00:28:34,680
thing and going full throttle. And
the Vault in the Bedford's an amazing club.

425
00:28:34,759 --> 00:28:38,240
It's it's a former like back in
the days of fancy banks with the

426
00:28:38,279 --> 00:28:42,359
big ball from marble floors and chandeliers. They took a huge city bank and

427
00:28:42,440 --> 00:28:48,759
converted it into a club. Oh
that's cool. One of my favorite venues.

428
00:28:48,799 --> 00:28:52,799
We haven't played in a while.
And tap Root's awesome. So yeah,

429
00:28:52,960 --> 00:28:56,000
that's tomorrow. I believe doors at
seven and we're we're on like shortly

430
00:28:56,240 --> 00:29:00,519
or doors at six thirty one or
like seven fifteen or something. Okay,

431
00:29:00,720 --> 00:29:03,599
okay, very good. And also
too before you go deek, just so

432
00:29:03,720 --> 00:29:07,319
our listeners know where's the best place
to go to find you online in terms

433
00:29:07,359 --> 00:29:11,720
of a website or social media so
everybody can keep up with you at verterband

434
00:29:11,799 --> 00:29:15,160
dot com the website in verter Boston. On Facebook, we have TikTok stuff

435
00:29:15,759 --> 00:29:21,000
you know, you name it.
Facebook. I mentioned Facebook already, but

436
00:29:21,079 --> 00:29:23,839
if there's any social media format for
music on it. We got YouTube videos,

437
00:29:23,880 --> 00:29:29,119
a lot of like official music videos
we filmed cool and yeah, just

438
00:29:29,160 --> 00:29:33,119
about every everywhere, thank me,
where fine recordings are found. Yes,

439
00:29:33,359 --> 00:29:36,839
yes, all right, very good. Well, Deeke, thank you so

440
00:29:37,000 --> 00:29:38,920
much. I have a great show
tomorrow night. I love the tracks.

441
00:29:40,559 --> 00:29:44,359
We're going to play Stone Cold Shocker
in a second, but we'll let you

442
00:29:44,480 --> 00:29:47,240
get going. But thank you so
much for joining us today. Man,

443
00:29:47,279 --> 00:29:49,279
this has been great and I'm sure
we'll talk again soon. Thank you,

444
00:29:49,400 --> 00:29:52,240
man, I appreciate it so much. Take care now, all right,

445
00:29:52,279 --> 00:29:55,000
you got to take care bye bye. All right, very nice. That

446
00:29:55,200 --> 00:29:59,920
was a Deeke from the band in
Verter. And yeah he mentioned Wally's You're

447
00:30:00,039 --> 00:30:06,319
you're very familiar with with Wally's there. That's right. All right. Well

448
00:30:06,400 --> 00:30:08,440
let's like I said, this is
my favorite track, and apparently from what

449
00:30:08,519 --> 00:30:11,839
Dike was saying, uh, this
is everybody's favorite track. So let's give

450
00:30:11,920 --> 00:30:15,920
this a listen and then we'll come
back with some more show. Uh.

451
00:30:15,079 --> 00:30:19,680
This is the track is called Stone
Cold Shocker. The band is Inverter.

452
00:30:21,319 --> 00:30:48,680
Check this out. That woman's not
gonna some back nails for the mail.

453
00:30:48,200 --> 00:31:00,279
She's not gonna take babies, not
break a man. You can't tell she'll

454
00:31:00,359 --> 00:31:03,400
do yo all up my down packing, how the tail. She's not gonna

455
00:31:03,440 --> 00:31:08,160
bowa it stumping in your closet.
Once you over with the dog. You

456
00:31:08,480 --> 00:31:14,480
just get bad snow cold shock up. You better go kill doctor. Been

457
00:31:14,519 --> 00:31:18,759
to get the biggest past up,
spiding for head and bother don the cot

458
00:31:18,920 --> 00:31:22,839
shock us. Better can kill doctors
and show me whatever for your sake calling

459
00:31:23,240 --> 00:31:27,279
just hang out to them all that
that must have been some scratch of rags.

460
00:31:29,079 --> 00:31:33,160
She never came out me for cushion
sat conscussions. Don't con cushions like

461
00:31:33,279 --> 00:31:37,839
a game out. I see open
up my field. She's explosive. Co

462
00:31:37,119 --> 00:31:41,119
Ro said, don't cam, I
you feel that before. Woman, she's

463
00:31:41,160 --> 00:31:47,200
got your car. She'll no man
your drown while your game card. You

464
00:31:47,359 --> 00:31:52,160
can be out. Bast dudes,
go get juice and the blues many worth

465
00:31:52,240 --> 00:31:56,519
a dollar. She spak snow coat
shock up. Better go kill doctor.

466
00:31:56,799 --> 00:32:01,240
You better get the piet past us
find they bayhead and ball the donda do

467
00:32:01,559 --> 00:32:07,039
shut up, but they call your
doctor the story what they want gonna say

468
00:32:07,160 --> 00:32:23,799
call it. Just back out all
that. She's not gonna think. Y'all

469
00:32:23,839 --> 00:32:28,160
gots a leader, y'all out and
y'all in God. Yeah, come then

470
00:32:28,240 --> 00:32:32,799
go around. They let you think
you got that out. It's as gay

471
00:32:35,319 --> 00:33:09,079
boy got a fucking yes. You
ast go socco I'm gonna call your dot.

472
00:33:09,559 --> 00:33:15,400
We're gonna get a bad fit doctor
babing bowhead and bothering doctor got Sago's

473
00:33:15,400 --> 00:33:20,640
gonna call your DOTTO, show me
what at yours and call it. Just

474
00:33:20,759 --> 00:33:38,440
back out to look about it and
raise the top. That a talk show

475
00:33:38,839 --> 00:33:40,079
and you want it listen
