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The countdown is on to fight time. This is Big Fight Weekend. No.

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Here is your host, t J
leaves. Well, we get ready

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for a weekend. It has a
heavyweight showdown in London that has some news

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from this week and also has some
big time nostalgia from an April fifteenth,

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epic, epic, epic fight,
not just an epic fight, an epic

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first round. Whenever you say top
opening rounds in the history of boxing,

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Hagler hearns has to be first and
we're gonna talk a little bit about that

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on the nostalgia part of the show. Welcome in. It is the Big

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Fight Weekend preview podcast. I am
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Hello and good to be back with
Dan Raphael here on the program. How

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are things as we head into the
weekend? Things are great? Why don't

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you tell them about our other special
guests we have coming up? Yeah,

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this is very true because you won't
have to wait very long. We're gonna

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preview the one major fight car which
is getting England but about six, seven,

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eight days from now, depending on
when you're hearing us Ida is going

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to be right in the throws of
Jervonte Davis and Ryan Garcia. And before

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everything gets hyped up next week,
my man Rayphael has already talked to Ryan

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Garcia this week in a one on
one conversation. You will hear that conversation

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right here on the Big Fight weekend
preview coming up in just a few minutes,

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covering everything about this event to fight. It has taken a while for

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it to get figured out, ironed
out, and it's about to be fight

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week. There is a nasty rumor, are you ready to confirm or unconfirmed?

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You will be on site Oel on
location for Jervonte Davis, Ryan Garcia.

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You ready to say? Are you
ready to spill the beans? Are

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you telling us early spilling the beans? I've had my flight book for a

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few weeks now. I'm definitely gonna
be there, all right, you know

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I'm not. I'm not maybe getting
off as many places I as I once

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did when I was at ESPN running
around the country pretty much every other week.

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It felt like, so I picked
my own spots these days and and

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go cover these events. We'll be
writing it for the Big Fight weekend and

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my newsletter, and I can't wait
to be at that fight. That's so

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far the biggest fight of this year. I was happy, happy that they

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finally got the deal done. And
you know, you mentioned how long it

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took to meet and all the back
and forth and then the interim fight and

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the legal problems and did he you
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the interim out and and Ryan Garcia
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etc. But once they actually announced
the fight, it's been super quick.

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Because it was announced, it feels
like just a few weeks ago, and

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here we are almost on fight weeks. So I was very happy to get

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a chance to have a lengthy conversation
with Ryan, who I've always gotten on

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well with. We had a nice
interview and people will enjoy that on the

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podcast today. I think they shall. You're going to hear that coming up,

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And really, I know what you
mean. They have been going round

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each other back and forth for the
better part of a couple of years on

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making this happen, and finally it
is about to be here. So we're

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excited about that. And by the
way, you're talking about picking and choosing

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if you gonna pick or choose,
just a great one to pick and choose.

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This is arguably we're not overselling.
And then we're moving on here.

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This is arguably the biggest fight maybe
of this year. That's not overselling it

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in terms of the two opponents.
What's at stake for them? They're both

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undefeated. Davis has been a world
champion, garcias not. I don't know

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if in the next eight months of
this year there's a better head to head

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match up unless we get undisputed Fury
usk, which you keep telling me that

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ain't happening before. I was gonna
say it depends on what else happens,

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because if Fury and Joshua were to
fight, that's a pretty big fight.

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Even so, let's say non heavyweight
with the exact maybe of Spencon Crawford,

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which God only knows if that happens, this is that fight if it's you

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know, and again we don't know
for sure what Canella was going to do

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when the fall off hest survives through
the Rider fight, you know, if

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he decides to maybe you know,
I don't think this is gonna happen,

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But like if he decided, let's
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and Bible is a big fight also, but still not as big necessarily as

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as a Tank against Ryan. You
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is a pretty big deal, but
it's not the commercial kind of attraction that

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Tank Davis is against Ryan. So
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We don't know every fight that's going
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but certainly this is going to be
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no doubt about it. All right, so much to get to By

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of into Friday is obviously we get
you ready for the biggest of the fights

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in the weekend. So the biggest
card is in England. It is the

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Queensberry Promotions card where Joe Joyce gets
set to take on Zalai Jiang of China.

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So let's get into this fight.
It's the main event from Queensbury,

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a BT sport will televise in the
UK. Most importantly, ESPN Plus will

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have it here in the United States
for this main event, and Joyce is

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the placeholder right now for the WBO. He's gonna have to wait a little

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while, it looks like for Alexander
Usik to come around. But okay,

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give me the give me the lowdown. The fighters have had their final press

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conference as we do this podcast,
and we're about ready to go with the

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Juggernaut, who's a popular prominent heavyweight
in the UK back in the ring.

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This is gonna be a fun fight, I have no doubt about it.

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You got two big dudes, Joe
Joyce about six foot six and Zangs about

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six foot seven, six foot six. Also, one guy's about you know,

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Zang's about two seventy five, Joe's
about two sixty five. They're abouts.

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They haven't weighed in just yet,
but as we're taping this, neither

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one of them would you would refer
to as a speed demon. Neither one

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of them are what you would refer
to as a man with silky smooth skills.

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But they're gonna come in there and
rumble these That's what these guys.

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Joe Joyce is a straight ahead kind
of guy, big punching power, big

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chin, big man, and Zang
Zili also a big man, likes to

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rumble, pretty good power himself.
Both guys were decorated amateurs. Zang was

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a silver medal winner in the Olympic
Games back a number of years ago.

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Joe was a silver medal winner in
his own Olympic Games. A lot of

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people thought he should have had the
gold, but he didn't get the decision

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against Tony Yoka. Based on the
way the professional careers have gone, I

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would have taken the silver and and
and Joe's proker, then the other way

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around. Tony's golden the flaming disaster
at his pro career. But but Joe

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Joyce, he has He's a little
older compared to your average heavyweight who's only

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got fifteen fights, but Joe is
a handful for anybody. I think he

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would give any heavyweight in the entire
division a really tough night at the office,

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including Tyson Fury, including anybody else
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he would at this stage of the
game. He probably would beat Joshua Frankly.

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But he's a tremendous puncher, and
he's got a great chin, and

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say, you know, was a
lie. Maybe not the greatest chin,

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but tough dude. And look,
this is a good matchup. I'm excited

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to watch it. Like you mentioned
ESPN plus in America, the afternoon fight

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three three o'clock, when the when
the card gets rolling, you know they'll

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be on obviously a few hours after
that. But Joe, even in fifteen

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fights, has already put together a
pretty good resume. He has a win

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by stoppage and a really good fight
in his last fight out September against Joseph

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Parker, who was once a world
title holder. He has obviously the knockout

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victory against Daniel Dubois, who was
the huge, big prospect at that time

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that many people rated ahead of Joe
Joyce in that packing order of the up

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and coming British fighters. And uh, you know, he has a knockout

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against Carlos Tokam, who's been in
with everybody and usually displays a good chin.

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So Joe's got a lot of accomplishment
and u and with zang z Ali.

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Look, he is coming off of
his first defeat. That was a

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decision loss against Philip Kurgovich. That
was an IBF title eliminator that was this

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past August, and there was a
lot of people that thought that he was

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the winner of that fight. Now, I personally thought Hergevitz did enough to

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win the fight. But that was
a hell of a fight also, they

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were that was a really good back
and forth battle. And even if you

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thought that a Hergevic won, it
was by no means an easy day in

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the ring that day. It was
a very tough fight. And now now

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zale is the the opponent of choice
for Joe Joyce as he goes into this

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optional defense as he's you know,
he's not. He can't just sit idle

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waiting for his chance to fight for
the real world title. He has the

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interim title holder of the WBO.
He is in position for an Alexander Ussek

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fight. But US's first mandatory is
going to be Daniel Dubas that they've ordered,

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and he's got to stay active.
So this is a this is a

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heck of a fight. I'm I'm
anticipating fireworks in this one, my man,

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and again for Joyce. He's thirty
seven years of age, and there's

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no mystery here. That's what I
keep smiling at you about while we're talking

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back and forth. I mean,
this is this is not going to be

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somebody you know out boxing the other
for you know, ten twelve beautiful rounds.

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This is gonna be straight ahead stuff. And whether Jang can can fire

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back, uh, And whether or
not we're in for a brawl or is

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Joyce gonna walk right through him?
I don't. I mean, there's not

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a whole lot of tactical I mean, yeah, and you mentioned that Joe's

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thirty seven, but zen Zilia's thirty
nine. Uh. You know this is

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there are very few times where you
can look at a fight that you're interested

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in and basically know exactly how.
I don't know who's gonna win specifically,

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I lean towards Joyce, of course, but I can with very good comfort

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level tell you this is gonna be
two guys trying to beat the shit out

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of each other. This is not
gonna be a fight where you know you're

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gonna be looking at the clock and
clapping when the round is over, because

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it's been so bad of a fight. Uh, they're gonna go and trade.

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They don't know any other way.
And they're not fast, they're not

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the most skillful, and uh they're
gonna meet in this center of the ring

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and it's like gonna be bulls in
a china shop. All right. And

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again for Joyce, five consecutive knockouts
on the resume, and really we have

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to go back. I'm gonnas you
a little bit here that if you,

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if you really gave Frank Warren,
the British promoter the truth Serum had him

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on a lie detector. He was
grooming Daniel Dubois a couple of years ago

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to be the guy to be,
to be the heavyweight contender that would be

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in the mix, or Anthony Joshua
who had all the unified belts, or

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maybe get a shot at Deontay Wilder, et cetera. Will Joe Joyce beat

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him. Joe Joyce beat him up, fractured his eye orbital and stopped him

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and derailed Duboi's career. And since
that time, Joyce, as you listed,

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has gotten a couple of more key
wins over veteran fighters, including over

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Joseph Parker by stoppage. So that
has a lot of people very interested in

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what this guy can do, even
at an advanced age here in this matchup.

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Will make some gambling picks. It
is interesting that Joyce is significantly favored,

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and let me double check on what
the under over. The under over

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is usually around eight rounds, something
like that, seven and a half eight

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something like that. I'm gonna find
the under over for this matchup again because

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it's the most prominent card that's taking
place on Saturday night. I'm double checking

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here on the fight lines. Oh, very interesting. The knockout prop is

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kind of good here for Joyce in
this matchup, and I'm looking for the

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over under. I thought I had
it here a second ago. There it

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is. It's ten and a half, so it's a twelve round fight,

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ray feel, and I thought it
would be less than that. I figured

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it would be like seven and a
half, eight and a half. So

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just first blush, does that surprise
you will make the picks tomorrow that the

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over under is that high. That
doesn't surprise me because you see that in

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a lot of these world title fights, where you know it's more rare.

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It seems to me, especially now
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over under since we've been doing the
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where I didn't really pay attention closely, but it feels to me that most

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of the time they're on the higher
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it's a huge sort of mismatched where
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half three and afflic we saw this
past week on Jared Anderson's fight was I

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believe four and a half. But
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pros, that doesn't surprise me at
all. All Right, So again,

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that's the main event that will be
coming from Queensberry Promotions. Immediately preceding that

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one, this is the most prominent
card here. Again is Mikaela Mayer in

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the ring for the first time since
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bomb Gardner. So Mayor will be
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That is a ten round non title
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is Mayor is back in action.
But again she goes to the UK here

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where she fought bomb Gardner. Obviously
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in the UK late last year.
She would love to have a rematch with

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bomb Gardner, but this is their
first fight since then. So Dan,

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give us a little bit more and
what is your educated inside information on are

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we potentially going to get that fight? Because I know a few weeks ago

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we talked on the podcast they've been
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What an impressive showing by Mayor.
Lynn Credence too, there is going

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to be a bomb Gardner rematch later
on in the year. What do you

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know? What do you think?
I don't really know anything particular as far

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as whether they're going to have the
rematch. I just know that in bomb

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Gardner's public statements, she's basically given
Michaela the finger and saying I'm not going

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to fight the girl again. So
we'll see if they make it. Money

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is going to talk. But the
main thing is, you know that's for

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the future. Right now, You've
got Michaela coming off a very close loss

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to Alicia bomb Gardner that took place
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up from the junior lightweight division where
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fight show. This fight's going to
take place at lightweight. And what is

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interesting about it is that she is
taking on the one woman that hung a

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loss on Lisa bumb Garner. So
by design, you know, if she

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can't get the immediate rematch against the
one woman that defeated her, she's at

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least going to take on the one
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She beat her by an eight round
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And Lindarto has also been a world
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pound weight class, and she has
two losses. She's, you know,

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michaelis seventeen and one and and she's
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to the top women in the sport. Essentially, she has a ten round

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decision loss and a world title fight
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one of the best women out there, who had two fights against Katie Taylor.

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I was at their first fight in
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Joshua Andy Reives first fight undercard,
and by the way, me and pretty

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much everybody I was sitting there on
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beat Katie Taylor that night. Katie
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loss came against Katie Taylor in twenty
nineteen. She lost the decision. You

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know, when Katie has been for
a long on time the lightweight champion,

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she did take a one step up
to one hundred and forty and she beat

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Lendardo to win the Junior Wealth aweight
belt and then immediately vacated it and went

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back down and continued to defend her
title in the lightweight division. So Michael

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is not coming back off of her
loss against nobody. She's coming back against

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one of the best female boxers in
and around that weight class, who's been

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in with the rank with lots of
good opponents and you know, beating some

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like Bomb Garner and took U,
you know, losses that were competitive against

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Katie and also against against Pursue.
And so this is a chance for both

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of these women to put themselves back
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And I know that she would like
Michaela to get the rematch with bomb

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Garner. Maybe bomb Garner, if
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she might want to avenge her loss
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that she now possesses. And you
know, again for women's boxing, you

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know, you can't really complain these
are we complain in the men's side of

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the sport A lot of times we're
the best, don't fight the best.

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This is a case where it's not
even for a title fight, but you

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have two of the best women fighting
each other. The one thing I did

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notice that was very profound in my
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them from their press conference and then
doing a faceoff Michaela Mayor unless it was

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taking us some wacky angle or there
was some messed up stuff going on,

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she is much much taller. Len
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and she looked every bit of it
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Michaela, you know, is five
foot nine, legit. And I've you

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know, been in Michaela's presence several
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talked to her and you know,
I'm about six feet tall. She's not

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that much shorter than me, so
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was very, very like just amazing
when I saw the photo and Mayor is

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obviously here. We go back the
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excellent jab and with the reach,
so that should be in her favor,

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you would think for this one.
But that's not everything. As as

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we often say, can you get
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So that is the co feature fight
that is again coming Saturday afternoon. Bat

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Sport will have it in the UK
ESPN plus in the US on the undercard

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of Joyce and Jang for the w
BO Interim heavyweight title. Those two bouts

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we look forward to those, and
that's pretty much it in terms of the

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preview for magnitude of fight for this
weekend. So without any further delay,

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the big bout of next weekend is
the pay per view Jervonte Davis and Ryan

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Garcia and Dan spoke with the unbeaten
California and he's going to step through the

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ropes and what will be his biggest
fight to date, and you can argue

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it's Jervonte Davis's biggest fight, no
question about all right, you're gonna say

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no question about a right. Speaking
of questions, you had lots of questions,

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and Ryan Garcia had answers, And
let's go back to a conversation that

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you had with him earlier this week. I'm pleased to bring in my special

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guests. Now you all know him. He's got a huge fight coming up

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April twenty second against Ervanta Tank Davis
at the team Obile Arena in Las Vegas,

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live on Showtime pay per view.
It is the big Star, Ryan

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Garcia in his first headline big pay
per view fight. Ryan, thank you

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so much for joining me today.
I really appreciate I know you're busy,

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got the got the fight coming up
in the not too distant future. How's

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everything going getting ready for the big
one? Oh man, everything's great.

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Thank you for having me on.
I appreciate you. But yeah, man,

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everything's going great in camp. I
feel good, feel strong, and

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honestly, everything is going as good
as it could go. For sure.

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I'm glad to hear that. I
wanted to start off by by talking a

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little about the evolution of getting this
fight made because that was such a big,

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big part of the build up to
this fight. You know, I

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know from our previous conversations going back
well before this fight was made, just

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how badly you wanted this not just
any big fight. Do you wanted this

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big fight? You You've been calling
out and talking Tank Davis name. I

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want to say, it's got to
be at least a couple of years at

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this point. And while he didn't
necessarily I don't. I never felt like

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he was trying to avoid you.
It wasn't like top of his mind.

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You weren't like the first name out
of his out of his out, the

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first on the tip of his tongue
when it came to what his big fights

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were. So when when the fight
was made, I feel like you kind

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of I mean, he had to
go along with it. Obviously you're both

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going to be in the ring,
but you kind of willed this fight into

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existence. As the way I've looked
at it. Can you just describe to

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me what it was about him and
this fight specifically that you were just you

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know, weren't gonna say no,
we're't gonna take no for an answer.

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Well, I just always envisioned that
this would be my first huge fight,

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that I would have in my career, this would be the moment that could

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define my career, like the first
moment that could define my career. And

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I've always kind of chased that because
inside, I just had an intuition that

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I knew that this would be the
fight. And he knew it too.

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He said it like a long time
ago, and he felt the same thing,

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and I guess through time. You
know, he obviously didn't want to

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use anybody's name. I think that's
a tactic of his. He doesn't say

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any name. But for me,
I just was so hungry for this that

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I was always advocating to make this
fight happen. You know. Obviously,

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not only did I want it to
happen, the fans wanted it to happen.

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Everybody wanted it to happen. I
mean all my comments, you know,

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when you get to fight Tank,
So I kind of already knew that

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this was where it was going.
And yes, I willed it to happen,

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because again it's not that he was
avoiding, but they made it very

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difficult for me to say yes.
So I mean you could look at it

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at two ways. You know,
they could look as you know, they

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want to be you know, they
want to have a stronghold over me,

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or they really did want to avoid
me. We'll never know, but all

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I know is I never gave him
a reason to say no. And now

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we're here and I'm ready to go. So when you were going through all

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of that, besides trying to work
and get things done with his team,

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not to say that your side didn't
want to do the fight, but it

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was complicated, you know, broadcaster
issues, different promoters, that it felt

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like maybe there were times where you
and your own people were kind of not

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necessarily on the same page in terms
of moment moving forward with this way.

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How it's hard enough to make a
deal with the other side, How hard

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is it sometimes when you can't really
quite get there with your own people.

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Yeah, I mean it's difficult.
It's difficult because you know, you you

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know, longer feeling control of your
career. At times, you feel like,

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man, you know, I really
really want to happen, and everybody's

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discouraged, and you know, everybody
doesn't believe it's going to happen at times,

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and you know, you feel like
he wasted months and months, you

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know, of trying to make it
happen for no reason and it really it

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really just uh, it really had
me down. I was like, man,

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this is ridiculous. Like I didn't
take a fight in October the way

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I wanted to, because you know, the guys said I was going to

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fight in December, and it was
just a lot of things that I had

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to overcome mentally to just you know, stay hopeful, stay hopeful that this

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is going to happen. And you
know, the stars of line and ended

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up happening. But yeah, it
was it was pretty tough to to go

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through that. So you finally when
you got it agreed to, then there

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was other things that were not necessarily
problems making the deal, but he had

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his legal issues. Then he was
going to have an interim fight. You

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opted not to have an interim fight. So how how difficult was it to

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watch him go through the legal situation, not knowing what's gonna happen, and

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then have a boxing match before that
and no, he's not only does he

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have to win the fight, but
he can't get injured, and you know

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how boxing goes, anything can happen
and you're just sitting idle not fighting.

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Were a little was that never waking? Yeah? Definitely? Um, I

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didn't get too nervous, but there
was a level of concern of you know,

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is his legal problems going to stop
the fight from happening? I mean,

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what is this? Of course they
they comforted me with the fact that

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it wasn't going to affect the fight, so I was like, all right,

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cool. And then and and then
when he was fighting Hector Garcia,

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I said, okay, I've seen
Hector fight. He shouldn't have caused taking

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any problems, but like you said, anything could happen. That's the reason

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why I didn't take my fight,
because I was like, you know,

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I could hurt my hand. I've
worked, but it was like four to

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six, five to six months on
the fight. I mean, there's no

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way that I was gonna risk that. Maybe he can, but this means

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more to me than probably him because
I was not risking it. How did

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you guys wind up at the one
hundred and thirty six pound catchweight, because

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my thought was, you know,
you're fighting your last two fights close to

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one forty first one as a you
know, acquiesced to the opponent that couldn't

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make the weight. He has a
belt, even if it's a secondary belt.

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At one hundred and thirty five.
Did you have the thought of maybe

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let me go to thirty five and
try to win that belt. Was he

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wanting you to come down as low? Was he willing to go up higher?

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Like? How'd you wind up in
that number? It's a it's sort

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of a weird catchweight. Yeah.
I never. I never. He never

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told me to. They never asked
to do one thirty five. He keeps

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saying in these interviews that you know, I wanted it at one thirty five.

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We started it, I believe at
one thirty eight, and then it

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started going down, like just out
of nowhere. He would say, no,

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we gotta do, you know,
one thirty seven. Then a week

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later, oh, we gotta do
one thirty six. That's how it got

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to that number. And I said, man, like, I'm not going

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anymore lower, Like I'm just not
like like you should have said from the

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jump, let's just do one thirty
five, you know. But he didn't

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like, if I'm going more and
more down, you're okay with that one

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thirty six, you know what?
Like I said, I'm not giving him

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a chance out of this. I'm
gonna do it, and I don't care.

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I don't care. It's like My
mentality is like I don't care what

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anybody throws at me. It's not
even just him, anybody. You know,

406
00:25:51,680 --> 00:25:56,160
when I really want something, I
find a way to make it happen.

407
00:25:56,680 --> 00:26:00,359
And of course you know I'm not
dumb. I oh, I could

408
00:26:00,400 --> 00:26:03,880
make the weight and I know I
could be strong. Uh, just just

409
00:26:03,960 --> 00:26:08,000
it's a it's just discipline. I've
seen worset weight weight cuts than this,

410
00:26:08,359 --> 00:26:12,519
and I've done worst weight cuts.
I just don't like a guy's character like

411
00:26:12,640 --> 00:26:18,119
that. Like you know, it's
just it's just like I've already accepted so

412
00:26:18,119 --> 00:26:21,680
many other things, and you keep
on adding other things and other things,

413
00:26:21,680 --> 00:26:25,720
like come on, man, at
what point do you save yourself? Let's

414
00:26:25,759 --> 00:26:27,559
just get it on already, like
as real as a real fighter, Like

415
00:26:29,119 --> 00:26:32,440
fuck, why are you looking for
every advantage to me? That's that's my

416
00:26:32,480 --> 00:26:34,680
mentality, and that's why I lost
a little respect, Like come on,

417
00:26:34,720 --> 00:26:38,039
man, like we're fighters, Like
let's just get it on, Like stop

418
00:26:38,039 --> 00:26:41,000
with this. You know, I
need every advantage in the book, so

419
00:26:41,240 --> 00:26:45,160
just to fight. And Ryan,
it wasn't just one thirty six. He

420
00:26:45,240 --> 00:26:48,240
also you know you you both you
both have to only go up a certain

421
00:26:48,240 --> 00:26:51,920
amount of weight with the rehydration.
Right, that's a two way right hydration

422
00:26:51,920 --> 00:26:55,079
clause. But what seemed to be
easier for him than you because he's been

423
00:26:55,079 --> 00:26:57,480
fighting at one thirty five for the
last you know, several fights exactly.

424
00:26:57,720 --> 00:27:03,799
Um, that's another thing I was
like. I mean, like, I

425
00:27:03,960 --> 00:27:06,880
was just disappointed. I'm like,
oh my gosh, they're like, you

426
00:27:06,960 --> 00:27:08,039
gotta do it. If you don't
do it, they don't want to do

427
00:27:08,079 --> 00:27:11,440
it, they don't want to fight. And it's just another thing I just

428
00:27:11,440 --> 00:27:14,960
sucked up. And I'm like,
all right, let's go whatever. Like

429
00:27:14,960 --> 00:27:18,079
you don't want me to fucking gain
ten pounds to eleven? Fine, you

430
00:27:18,119 --> 00:27:22,960
know, the only thing I wouldn't
let them touch is my gloves or you

431
00:27:22,000 --> 00:27:26,039
know, type of shoes I wear. But anything else, let's fucking go.

432
00:27:27,599 --> 00:27:32,400
But yeah, I was just disappointed
a little bit. I just thought

433
00:27:32,400 --> 00:27:36,759
to myself, like I don't know
if you're terrified or is this just your

434
00:27:37,000 --> 00:27:42,680
your character, like you just that's
just how you are. But I say,

435
00:27:42,400 --> 00:27:45,640
it's a it's a really big fight, and the one thing I find

436
00:27:45,680 --> 00:27:48,000
to be different than your usual and
you know, let's call it a run

437
00:27:48,000 --> 00:27:51,799
of the mill, big megafight.
Is it just not a title fight,

438
00:27:51,839 --> 00:27:55,160
and most of the biggest fights that
we've seen in boxing typically are for a

439
00:27:55,240 --> 00:27:57,240
major world title. This he has
his belt, although not a you know,

440
00:27:57,240 --> 00:28:00,400
it's a secondary variety. You're fighting
at one hundred thirty six no belts

441
00:28:00,440 --> 00:28:04,160
at stake, and to me as
a fan, it's sure doesn't affect my

442
00:28:04,200 --> 00:28:07,759
interest in the fight. I don't
think it will affect the interest of most

443
00:28:07,759 --> 00:28:11,279
people who want to tune in and
watch your fight. But what I'm interested

444
00:28:11,400 --> 00:28:15,079
is here you are in your career, twenty three and oh nineteen knockouts,

445
00:28:15,359 --> 00:28:18,279
you know, probably not even yet
into your prime at your age. I

446
00:28:18,319 --> 00:28:22,240
wonder how important is it to you
to be a world champion. I mean,

447
00:28:22,240 --> 00:28:25,799
you're gonna make a lot of money
and have a big event, but

448
00:28:26,319 --> 00:28:30,079
you don't have that that trophy,
that belt, that that notch in the

449
00:28:30,119 --> 00:28:33,119
history book to say I was the
lightweight champ or I was the junior welterweight

450
00:28:33,200 --> 00:28:36,920
champ at least not yet. How
important is that to you? You know,

451
00:28:37,400 --> 00:28:41,559
maybe a part of me, maybe
it is important to me, But

452
00:28:41,319 --> 00:28:45,720
I don't know, I don't know
how much important. I feel like winning

453
00:28:45,720 --> 00:28:48,960
a gold medal was felt way more
important than me. I don't know,

454
00:28:48,240 --> 00:28:52,880
like when I was in the Amateurs, like that was one of my dreams.

455
00:28:52,200 --> 00:28:56,319
So you know, Beata Louke Campbell
made me feel like a gold medalist,

456
00:28:56,559 --> 00:29:00,640
so I really felt really happy there. But well, you also got

457
00:29:00,680 --> 00:29:04,000
an interim title with that fight.
Yeah, I guess so right, I'm

458
00:29:04,039 --> 00:29:08,880
an interim champion. Yes, no, uh, I think I think,

459
00:29:08,920 --> 00:29:14,000
I think, I think it is
important to me. I think I'll be

460
00:29:14,039 --> 00:29:18,599
shooting for though for that soon.
But again, I want to feel like

461
00:29:18,640 --> 00:29:21,880
a champion. I don't want to
feel like these guys that are collecting these

462
00:29:21,920 --> 00:29:26,200
bouts, like for example, I
don't like I don't even like he did

463
00:29:26,240 --> 00:29:29,960
beat Pajars. I'll give him that, but like all these other titles,

464
00:29:30,039 --> 00:29:32,880
like how can you really call yourself
a champan? Who do you beat?

465
00:29:33,039 --> 00:29:36,079
You know what I mean? What
you guy would? That's not a champion?

466
00:29:36,240 --> 00:29:40,079
Dude? Like that? You pretty
much you were given about. Like

467
00:29:40,240 --> 00:29:42,960
let's look at the truth. Let's
not fucking I know the I know the

468
00:29:44,400 --> 00:29:48,200
on paper it says this, but
if you really look at it, you're

469
00:29:48,240 --> 00:29:51,680
not that many champion, you know
what I mean? I think about this

470
00:29:51,799 --> 00:29:55,240
Ryan, you walk into to the
Golden Boy offices you know, you have

471
00:29:55,279 --> 00:29:59,279
a meeting about whatever is going on, and you come across those beautiful glass

472
00:29:59,319 --> 00:30:03,960
cases there and an Oscar, your
promoter, Oscar de Lloy had huge amounts

473
00:30:03,960 --> 00:30:07,599
of Nega fights through his square,
but he had a lot of world titles.

474
00:30:07,599 --> 00:30:10,440
And do you ever like go in
there and see the case filled that

475
00:30:10,519 --> 00:30:12,720
there was what something like ten world
title belts from a whole bunch of different

476
00:30:12,720 --> 00:30:15,839
weight classes, six different weight divisions, and uh think, you know,

477
00:30:15,880 --> 00:30:18,519
he had these big fights, made
that big money, had these huge events,

478
00:30:18,759 --> 00:30:22,160
but he also got those belts,
and you know that's something I haven't

479
00:30:22,240 --> 00:30:25,759
quite gotten too yet. No,
because I don't even look at the ones

480
00:30:25,799 --> 00:30:27,400
that he won that really mattered,
you know what I mean, that really

481
00:30:27,440 --> 00:30:30,680
meant something, the fight that he
won, and you know, he fought

482
00:30:30,680 --> 00:30:34,279
the best and that made him a
champion. Because that's just about how my

483
00:30:34,319 --> 00:30:38,319
mind works. I don't I look
at the real truth of it, Like

484
00:30:38,359 --> 00:30:42,640
I don't. I want to live
with myself if I had won the title

485
00:30:42,720 --> 00:30:45,559
from Lou Campbell, right, like, does that really make me a champion?

486
00:30:45,599 --> 00:30:51,480
Lomachenko won the title for Lou Campbell, Does that make like does that

487
00:30:51,559 --> 00:30:53,680
count? Like what matters? You
know what I mean. To me,

488
00:30:53,960 --> 00:30:56,880
it's who I beat. That's just
how I feel my heart. You know.

489
00:30:57,839 --> 00:31:00,200
Of course, if i'd be different
ham Me for all the titles,

490
00:31:00,240 --> 00:31:03,359
that's gonna feel like I want a
championshi because I feel like he's one of

491
00:31:03,400 --> 00:31:06,680
the best, you know what I
mean, So to me, the opponent

492
00:31:06,759 --> 00:31:10,400
also matters. But that's just my
heart. I mean maybe other people are

493
00:31:10,440 --> 00:31:12,240
different, but that's just how I
see things. Oh so in the future,

494
00:31:12,279 --> 00:31:15,640
like you're gonna look to maybe fight
for a title whatever it goes on

495
00:31:15,680 --> 00:31:18,720
in April twenty second, Yeah,
as long as it's against a great fighter,

496
00:31:19,000 --> 00:31:22,279
you know what I mean, I
would definitely be I'm not a daintie

497
00:31:22,400 --> 00:31:26,799
yo. If there's a title online
now, you know you can't can't be.

498
00:31:27,440 --> 00:31:32,000
So the one thing about this fight
that I keep hearing from their side,

499
00:31:32,559 --> 00:31:33,920
and I don't know if this is
that it's they're trying to down you

500
00:31:34,039 --> 00:31:37,200
or they're trying to like make you
focus on it or what, but it's

501
00:31:37,240 --> 00:31:41,599
all this stuff that well, the
only weapon that Ryan Garcia has is that

502
00:31:41,680 --> 00:31:44,319
left hook of his, which is
a great left hook. But I've watched

503
00:31:44,319 --> 00:31:45,480
you, you know you'll fight your
whole career, and yeah, the left

504
00:31:45,480 --> 00:31:48,920
hook is clearly your best weapon,
but it's not as though you don't have

505
00:31:48,960 --> 00:31:51,920
a right hand also, or or
other things you can do with your left

506
00:31:51,960 --> 00:31:56,680
hand. Do you find that like
they're fearful of that and they want you

507
00:31:56,720 --> 00:32:00,359
to focus solely on it, or
do they think that you really do foles

508
00:32:00,359 --> 00:32:02,519
in your game? Like when you
hear them talk so much about that one

509
00:32:02,599 --> 00:32:06,839
attribute that you have, they don't
talk about your hand speed, or your

510
00:32:06,839 --> 00:32:09,160
size advantage, or your work.
They just talk about the left took.

511
00:32:09,240 --> 00:32:15,359
What is the deal there, you
think? I think I think they believe

512
00:32:15,480 --> 00:32:21,799
that's why only uh yeah, I
think they're Yeah, I think they're underestimating

513
00:32:21,880 --> 00:32:24,799
me for sure. I think they
see me as some guy that they could

514
00:32:24,839 --> 00:32:30,079
just walk through. Um And I
think they think they believe that they just

515
00:32:30,160 --> 00:32:32,960
have to watch out for that left
took as they're coming in, you know,

516
00:32:34,079 --> 00:32:37,039
as they're as they're walking me down. I think that's the real game

517
00:32:37,079 --> 00:32:44,079
plan because I know that when I
was in the Amateurs, they thought to

518
00:32:44,240 --> 00:32:47,200
just pressure me, you know,
because of just my frame, you know.

519
00:32:47,680 --> 00:32:52,359
But it's it's I've evolved, I'm
sorry, I've evolved as a fighter

520
00:32:52,720 --> 00:32:59,039
and Anybody who's trying to pressure me
has gotten knocked out really early when it's

521
00:32:59,079 --> 00:33:02,599
came to Dona. Anybody who's like
Fonseca, if you come at me,

522
00:33:02,839 --> 00:33:07,559
has gotten knocked out really early in
the first round, first or second round.

523
00:33:08,079 --> 00:33:13,920
So if he if he wants to
come at me early, and if

524
00:33:13,920 --> 00:33:15,880
he thinks I only have the left
hook, I really believe that he's gonna

525
00:33:15,920 --> 00:33:21,880
walk into something and it's gonna be
a very shocking moment for everybody. So

526
00:33:22,000 --> 00:33:24,000
if you have the left hook in
this fight, and everybody knows that's your

527
00:33:24,079 --> 00:33:27,839
great weapon, what do you view
as his best weapon. I think some

528
00:33:27,880 --> 00:33:30,559
people might say it's his upper cart
I'm not sure. What do you think

529
00:33:30,559 --> 00:33:37,359
when you see him? I think
his best attribute is his ability to sense

530
00:33:37,400 --> 00:33:42,759
punches as he's coming in and encountering. I think that's his best attribute.

531
00:33:42,880 --> 00:33:46,079
So I have to be tricky in
my attacks. I have to, you

532
00:33:46,119 --> 00:33:51,839
know, not let him predict any
of my moves. So that's what I'm

533
00:33:51,960 --> 00:33:55,559
really working on, because I think
his best attribute is vibing on the front

534
00:33:55,599 --> 00:34:00,599
foot encountering at the same time.
That's just how I feel he fights best.

535
00:34:00,640 --> 00:34:04,880
I don't feel he fights that good
going backwards. People say, oh,

536
00:34:04,920 --> 00:34:07,680
he boxes, but yeah, he
boxed, but doesn't look that good.

537
00:34:07,159 --> 00:34:10,280
So, um, anybody could back
a box right, I can move

538
00:34:10,320 --> 00:34:13,320
around, but he's gonna look that
good, you know what I mean.

539
00:34:14,679 --> 00:34:19,920
So I really feel like his best
attribute is coming forward encountering. He just

540
00:34:19,960 --> 00:34:22,280
has a good sense on what punches
are coming. So that's why I feel

541
00:34:22,320 --> 00:34:24,960
like he's best. All right,
I just got a couple more for you.

542
00:34:25,559 --> 00:34:30,000
This is your third fight with Joe
Goosen as your head trainer, and

543
00:34:30,119 --> 00:34:31,000
uh, you know, I've talked
to boxers over the years, and a

544
00:34:31,039 --> 00:34:34,159
lot of them will tell you it
takes, you know, two or three

545
00:34:34,159 --> 00:34:37,760
fights at least to really sort of
gel and feel the most comfortable with what's

546
00:34:37,760 --> 00:34:40,719
going on in the corner. This
is your third fight, so I don't

547
00:34:40,760 --> 00:34:44,480
know if you're quite there yet.
I would wondering what your thoughts are as

548
00:34:44,480 --> 00:34:46,280
far as where you think Joe and
you are. I know you work together

549
00:34:46,360 --> 00:34:51,239
years ago when you're amateurs, so
perhaps that was able to accelerate the gelling

550
00:34:51,239 --> 00:34:59,840
process. But how would you describe
that working relationship you know now that we've

551
00:35:00,199 --> 00:35:05,000
two camps. Uh, I'm pretty
vocal, so if I'm uncomfortable with something,

552
00:35:05,039 --> 00:35:07,239
I'll let him know. So we
we've got into a great place where

553
00:35:07,400 --> 00:35:12,760
we know each other. And um, honestly, he's just a great man

554
00:35:12,840 --> 00:35:15,840
to be around with. You know, He's somebody that I could have great

555
00:35:15,840 --> 00:35:20,320
conversations with, deep conversations with.
Um. He has a lot of experience.

556
00:35:20,360 --> 00:35:23,079
Obviously, he's a Hall of Fame
trainer. Now. Um, and

557
00:35:23,199 --> 00:35:25,320
even before we get the Hall of
Fames, I mean, look, how

558
00:35:25,360 --> 00:35:30,039
many years fifty years or or you
know, however many he's been in the

559
00:35:30,079 --> 00:35:31,679
game, not quite that many.
He'll feel he'll feel old if you say

560
00:35:31,760 --> 00:35:35,960
fifty, I know he'll probably yeah, he won't say anything. He'd be

561
00:35:36,000 --> 00:35:37,280
like, you know, it look
good for seventies, it look good.

562
00:35:38,000 --> 00:35:43,039
Uh. He got his shirt for
fight night? Is the question? Ah,

563
00:35:43,199 --> 00:35:47,599
man, you know what that's that's
his He is about a billion uh

564
00:35:47,320 --> 00:35:51,840
uh Jeane jackets. So he'll he'll
find one. He'll just probably close the

565
00:35:51,840 --> 00:35:54,039
eyes and picket. But uh,
but yeah, I mean it's been great.

566
00:35:54,679 --> 00:36:00,400
Uh and I'm ready to I'm ready
to do my thing. But yeah,

567
00:36:00,400 --> 00:36:02,400
with Joe, Joe's a great trainer, it's gonna be good. You

568
00:36:02,400 --> 00:36:07,239
know, I'm I'm a smart guy. Too, So that's the thing,

569
00:36:07,400 --> 00:36:10,320
Like, I'm gonna make sure it
works out. Whoever I'm training with,

570
00:36:10,480 --> 00:36:15,719
it's gonna work out great because we're
gonna figure it out together. I'm believing

571
00:36:15,840 --> 00:36:21,880
collaboration, you know, and just
finding the best thing possible, you know,

572
00:36:22,039 --> 00:36:25,119
no ego involved, no pride,
just trying to figure out what is

573
00:36:25,159 --> 00:36:30,639
the best training method or you know
what I mean. So I feel like

574
00:36:30,639 --> 00:36:34,840
it's gonna be great. Well,
I know that winning the fight is obviously

575
00:36:34,880 --> 00:36:37,719
the big thing for for both of
you guys. Getting a win in this

576
00:36:37,719 --> 00:36:40,920
big spot is obviously huge, But
how much more would it mean to you

577
00:36:42,039 --> 00:36:44,480
or how much more do you want
this to be the case for you to

578
00:36:44,480 --> 00:36:50,159
win this fight and do it by
a knockout. I think it's important that

579
00:36:50,280 --> 00:36:55,719
I make I'm intentionally going in there
to make a special moment that's important for

580
00:36:55,760 --> 00:37:00,039
me, and I want to knock
him out in front of the world that

581
00:37:00,480 --> 00:37:04,239
I really do deep down on my
heart. Yeah, wins great, But

582
00:37:04,400 --> 00:37:07,119
I've never thought like that in my
life, and I don't think I'm gonna

583
00:37:07,119 --> 00:37:12,960
start now just because it's this fight. I'm coming in there with the intent

584
00:37:13,119 --> 00:37:15,880
to sleep him. I mean,
I want him to go, you know,

585
00:37:16,039 --> 00:37:19,679
night night in front of the world. So that's just how it.

586
00:37:19,760 --> 00:37:22,079
I'm sure he wants that for me, but I'm not gonna let that happen.

587
00:37:23,119 --> 00:37:27,639
You figure, if you're able to
win or get a knock out either

588
00:37:27,679 --> 00:37:30,880
way, that a lot of people
that have downgraded you and say you're just

589
00:37:30,920 --> 00:37:34,440
a pretty boy, you're just a
social media guy, that by winning this

590
00:37:34,480 --> 00:37:38,599
fight, whatever way it goes,
that you'll finally get that that element of

591
00:37:38,639 --> 00:37:42,920
respect from a large group of people
that for whatever reason don't respect you.

592
00:37:43,480 --> 00:37:46,039
Yes, yes, this is the
fight to do it. That's why this

593
00:37:46,119 --> 00:37:49,639
fight means so much for me.
It's big. It's bigger than just this

594
00:37:49,800 --> 00:37:52,440
fight. It's just something I've been
doing with since I was a young boy.

595
00:37:52,519 --> 00:37:57,679
So this this has a lot of
attached to it. I don't want

596
00:37:57,679 --> 00:38:00,840
to lose his fight. I don't. I'm doing everything I could, you

597
00:38:00,880 --> 00:38:05,480
know, I'm making sure that no
stone is unturned, like I'm making sure

598
00:38:05,519 --> 00:38:09,840
I'm doing every single thing possible to
win this fight. So I want this

599
00:38:09,880 --> 00:38:15,079
more than anything I've wanted. All
Right, I think that's a great place

600
00:38:15,079 --> 00:38:16,920
to end it. Ryan, thank
you very much for doing this, and

601
00:38:17,000 --> 00:38:20,199
I wish you the best. Of
luck in your fight, and I'll look

602
00:38:20,239 --> 00:38:22,880
forward to seeing you a fight week
Like, Yeah, Dan, you're the

603
00:38:22,920 --> 00:38:27,800
man as I often like to do. As you wrapped it up there with

604
00:38:27,880 --> 00:38:30,039
him. You were on a zoom
call in that instance with the technology,

605
00:38:30,079 --> 00:38:32,880
not unlike right now where I get
to constantly see your mug and you get

606
00:38:32,880 --> 00:38:36,760
to look at me. How did
you find Ryan? You will be out

607
00:38:36,800 --> 00:38:39,760
in his presence along with Javonte Davis
and everybody else next week, But how

608
00:38:39,760 --> 00:38:43,039
did you find him looking at him
on the zoom? How did he seem?

609
00:38:43,360 --> 00:38:46,360
Body language and all the all the
rest. Ryan was, you know,

610
00:38:46,719 --> 00:38:52,159
calm, in a good mood,
talkative as they could hear on the

611
00:38:52,199 --> 00:38:54,519
on the interview, just just an
easy going kind of guy. But but

612
00:38:54,599 --> 00:38:58,480
you could tell you know how much
he wants this fight. And the one

613
00:38:58,519 --> 00:39:01,000
thing I have to give Ryan gar
See a credit for. And I'll throw

614
00:39:01,039 --> 00:39:05,920
out some plotts to h to Jane
from Golden Boy Promotions, who handles their

615
00:39:05,960 --> 00:39:08,119
public relations. I've done a lot
of interviews with a lot of fighters,

616
00:39:08,480 --> 00:39:13,320
from the biggest names in the world
to you know, prospects on the way

617
00:39:13,400 --> 00:39:19,360
up, and Ryan Garcia is the
first one in a long time, maybe

618
00:39:19,360 --> 00:39:22,760
since I used to regularly interview Vladimir
Klitchko when he was still heavyweight champion.

619
00:39:22,679 --> 00:39:27,440
He was early for our zoom call, so I always like, when I

620
00:39:27,480 --> 00:39:30,159
know I've got an interview schedule,
I will text whoever's you know, handling

621
00:39:30,159 --> 00:39:34,000
the arrangements just to double check,
Hey, are we good everything? Are

622
00:39:34,000 --> 00:39:35,960
you running late? Let me know? I know, And I'm cool with

623
00:39:35,960 --> 00:39:39,000
it because I come to expect if
I'm setting up an interview that for me,

624
00:39:39,519 --> 00:39:43,480
anything within fifteen minutes late. I'm
like, I don't even consider late,

625
00:39:43,559 --> 00:39:47,199
frankly. So I texted her Jane
about I don't know, five or

626
00:39:47,199 --> 00:39:52,199
six minutes before our call time,
and just to make sure that everything was

627
00:39:52,239 --> 00:39:53,679
good. She goes, you know
what, We're already in place. I

628
00:39:53,760 --> 00:39:55,559
was like, all right, I'll
log right, and I was sitting at

629
00:39:55,559 --> 00:39:58,960
my desk. I was ready to
go, so you know, I'll be

630
00:39:59,079 --> 00:40:00,119
right there. So it took me
like a minute to like, you know,

631
00:40:00,199 --> 00:40:04,800
find the link to our call and
I called up and Ryan was waiting

632
00:40:04,840 --> 00:40:07,159
for me, which usually it's the
other way around. So from that alone,

633
00:40:07,400 --> 00:40:09,440
you got to give him props to
Klitchko. When we used to do

634
00:40:09,480 --> 00:40:14,840
our phone interviews, like with regularity
at the tail end of his training camps

635
00:40:14,960 --> 00:40:17,239
when he was heavyweight champion for the
better part of you know, seven or

636
00:40:17,280 --> 00:40:20,719
eight years, we would do an
interview pretty much every single time he fought,

637
00:40:21,039 --> 00:40:24,239
and Vladimir was always on time,
always on time, sometimes early.

638
00:40:24,519 --> 00:40:30,239
And U Ryan Garcia following those footsteps, which as a person that has waited

639
00:40:30,239 --> 00:40:32,880
for fighters and others many times much
longer as I'd like to, I appreciated

640
00:40:34,320 --> 00:40:37,320
the punctuality. So and he gets
to him, he gets it right now.

641
00:40:37,360 --> 00:40:39,320
They've got to sell this thing,
they got to pay per view to

642
00:40:39,360 --> 00:40:43,159
sell, and he's doing his part
and Javante Davis is going to try to

643
00:40:43,199 --> 00:40:45,199
do his part. And we'll see
as fight we goes next weekend. Again,

644
00:40:45,480 --> 00:40:47,559
one thing I'll say about this,
by the way, TJ is and

645
00:40:47,639 --> 00:40:52,719
I'm not. It's not a knock
on Davis at all. While Ryan has

646
00:40:52,719 --> 00:40:57,760
been doing massive amounts of the of
the you know, his part of the

647
00:40:57,800 --> 00:41:00,679
promotion of the fight. You know, while you know they keep a schedule.

648
00:41:00,719 --> 00:41:02,360
You're gonna go do your gym work
at this time, you eat your

649
00:41:02,400 --> 00:41:06,360
lunch at this time, you do
your mitwork at this time. So it's

650
00:41:06,440 --> 00:41:09,000
it's all scheduled in terms of the
way the day works. But he's been

651
00:41:09,039 --> 00:41:13,960
doing I think it seems to me
much more than Gervante has. He he's

652
00:41:14,000 --> 00:41:15,920
been difficult not to get a hold
of. I had, I know,

653
00:41:15,119 --> 00:41:19,000
I'll be honest. I tried to
line him up for the podcast and get

654
00:41:19,000 --> 00:41:22,960
an interview with him. Also,
Dads, it's been difficult, huh.

655
00:41:22,119 --> 00:41:24,920
And I was told by Davis that
you know, not by Davis, I

656
00:41:24,920 --> 00:41:28,119
was told by the PR team.
I said, listen, it's nothing personal

657
00:41:28,159 --> 00:41:31,320
against you. He's not doing uh
many interviews at all periods, so it's

658
00:41:31,320 --> 00:41:34,639
not it's like we can't get up
we can't get him to do it.

659
00:41:34,719 --> 00:41:37,519
So I don't know what that means
for the fight, But uh, you

660
00:41:37,559 --> 00:41:42,599
know, I appreciate Garcia's uh you
know, openness and willingness. And we

661
00:41:42,639 --> 00:41:45,960
know sometimes you do interviews with these
these these bigger names, and you know

662
00:41:46,000 --> 00:41:49,920
you're you're told ahead of time,
you've got ten minutes, you've got fifteen

663
00:41:49,920 --> 00:41:52,840
minutes, whatever it is, And
on this one, I wasn't told you

664
00:41:52,960 --> 00:41:55,599
have X number of minutes or whatever. But I also don't like to to

665
00:41:55,599 --> 00:41:59,679
to take more than I need,
and I don't try to waste anybody's time.

666
00:41:59,840 --> 00:42:00,639
I'm not looking to, you know, to do anything like that.

667
00:42:00,960 --> 00:42:04,960
So I went like twenty minutes with
Ryan or so when I figured that's good

668
00:42:04,960 --> 00:42:08,000
and I but I no one was
sending me a message on my zoom wrap

669
00:42:08,000 --> 00:42:10,840
it up or anything like that,
you know, so he's in other words,

670
00:42:10,920 --> 00:42:14,840
when I hear when I see that
being the case, it tells me

671
00:42:14,840 --> 00:42:16,960
that the athlete is comfortable, that
he's okay doing the interviews, that he

672
00:42:17,000 --> 00:42:21,239
doesn't mind that to him, it's
just part of the workday, the same

673
00:42:21,280 --> 00:42:23,239
way I mentioned that you're gonna go
do a sparring session, you're gonna go

674
00:42:23,239 --> 00:42:25,400
have your lunch, you're gonna get
a massage, whatever the case is.

675
00:42:25,800 --> 00:42:30,000
Um, So he is enjoying,
I feel like and taking it all in.

676
00:42:30,039 --> 00:42:32,840
But and just based on the tone
of his voice, as those who

677
00:42:32,880 --> 00:42:37,960
listening can hear, you know,
really wants this win and really really definitely

678
00:42:37,960 --> 00:42:43,039
taking it seriously. I was very
impressed how he spoke about I asked him

679
00:42:43,079 --> 00:42:45,920
at one point about the difficulties of
making the fight and all the things that

680
00:42:45,960 --> 00:42:51,039
he had to give up, whether
it was the weight or the rehydration close

681
00:42:51,119 --> 00:42:53,079
or you know, the short end
of the money, whatever aspect of the

682
00:42:53,119 --> 00:42:57,400
match you want to talk about.
And he said in the interview multiple times,

683
00:42:57,400 --> 00:43:00,880
I wasn't going to give them a
chance to not this fight. I

684
00:43:00,000 --> 00:43:04,360
basically gave them everything because I was
not going to let this fight get away

685
00:43:04,360 --> 00:43:07,639
from me. And I respect them
and he's betting on himself. We keep

686
00:43:07,719 --> 00:43:10,559
talking about that that if you get
the win, you've got all the leverage,

687
00:43:10,599 --> 00:43:13,840
not only in a rematch with Davis, but whatever else you want to

688
00:43:13,840 --> 00:43:17,239
do as well. Good stuff,
really good stuff on that. We'll have

689
00:43:17,400 --> 00:43:22,800
more on Davis and Garcia again,
lookout Vegas because not only are those guys

690
00:43:22,800 --> 00:43:25,400
coming, but Rayfiel's coming as well. To be out there and be around

691
00:43:25,480 --> 00:43:30,119
all of this for next week,
Let's get to some news of the week

692
00:43:30,199 --> 00:43:34,639
real quick, and then some nostalgia
with Haggler and Hearns and that anniversary that's

693
00:43:34,639 --> 00:43:38,159
coming this weekend. You have an
update, Bam Rodriguez did have surgery.

694
00:43:38,199 --> 00:43:44,400
When last week talked he had that
broken jaw in his title win last week

695
00:43:44,440 --> 00:43:47,719
in the Dezone matchroom main of Indian
San Antonio. So he has had surgery

696
00:43:47,760 --> 00:43:52,119
on the broken jaw. What else
do we know, including timetables, anything,

697
00:43:52,199 --> 00:43:55,920
if anything, Well, I mean, I had spent time texting with

698
00:43:57,000 --> 00:44:00,400
Robert Garcia, who is Bam Rodriguez, his trainer and sort of like his

699
00:44:00,480 --> 00:44:05,280
de facto manager, and obviously he
was in the corner and knows the kind

700
00:44:05,320 --> 00:44:07,079
of pain and the kind of problems
he was having with the jaw he fractured

701
00:44:07,119 --> 00:44:10,800
in two places. He stayed over
to hospital Saturday night after his victory against

702
00:44:10,840 --> 00:44:15,360
Christian Gonzalez that got him the vacant
WBO flyweight title, which was his second

703
00:44:15,400 --> 00:44:20,239
role title. He had moved down
from junior bantam weight to become amazingly the

704
00:44:20,280 --> 00:44:24,199
first ever fighter from San Antonio to
win titles and two weight classes. Stayed

705
00:44:24,199 --> 00:44:29,000
over the hospital again on Sunday night, and then had the surgery on Monday

706
00:44:29,280 --> 00:44:32,920
and was released and his resting and
as Robert said, you know, they

707
00:44:32,960 --> 00:44:36,239
said he's going to be out for
the rest of the know, till the

708
00:44:36,320 --> 00:44:38,760
end of the year, not that
he if everything heals properly. This is

709
00:44:38,760 --> 00:44:43,000
what Robert was saying to me,
that he will fight again near the end

710
00:44:43,039 --> 00:44:45,840
of the year, probably in the
December time frame. And he made the

711
00:44:45,880 --> 00:44:47,599
point that we were going to go
for an August fight, which would have

712
00:44:47,599 --> 00:44:51,840
given us three fights in twenty and
twenty three, but now he's going to

713
00:44:51,920 --> 00:44:53,119
just have the two fights, which, as he said, it's basically what

714
00:44:53,199 --> 00:44:55,719
most of the top fighters have to
fight. So you know, we're still

715
00:44:55,719 --> 00:44:59,719
going to get too, which is
still one more than some guys. A

716
00:45:00,000 --> 00:45:01,559
he's only only get one some of
the better fighters, so you know they

717
00:45:01,599 --> 00:45:05,800
want to get him healed up.
Unfortunately for BAM, it's going to be

718
00:45:05,840 --> 00:45:09,519
six weeks with no solid food.
Having written stories and interviewed Oscar Valdez about

719
00:45:09,519 --> 00:45:13,480
that situation when he broke his jaw
a few years ago in a fight with

720
00:45:13,480 --> 00:45:17,480
Scott Quigg, I don't know if
there was as as as I remember sitting

721
00:45:17,519 --> 00:45:22,440
with Oscar at the Mandalay Bay.
I was covering a fight and he was

722
00:45:22,480 --> 00:45:25,079
there in the media center and I
was doing an interview with him, and

723
00:45:25,159 --> 00:45:28,920
we were talking about it, and
he could joke about it because it was

724
00:45:29,239 --> 00:45:31,239
better and he was over the situation. But he was basically like, you

725
00:45:31,280 --> 00:45:34,679
know, for about six weeks,
I was the grumpiest guy in the world,

726
00:45:34,679 --> 00:45:37,880
because, you know, even when
you were able to have your meals,

727
00:45:37,920 --> 00:45:39,559
whatever you're drinking through a straw,
you know, or everything's mashed up

728
00:45:39,559 --> 00:45:43,519
for you or not able to chew
your food, and it hurts, and

729
00:45:43,559 --> 00:45:45,360
it's it's a problem. It's it's
a rough, rough injury. I mean,

730
00:45:45,559 --> 00:45:49,960
here's what I want to just say
to everybody that listens and watches these

731
00:45:50,000 --> 00:45:52,320
fights. You know, we sit
there and we watched a fight for the

732
00:45:52,360 --> 00:45:54,639
hour, and we cheered and we
excited, and we write about it or

733
00:45:54,760 --> 00:45:59,719
talk about it, whatever your perspective
is. And then they're out of the

734
00:45:59,760 --> 00:46:00,760
ring. You might hear, Okay, the guy has a broken jaw.

735
00:46:00,840 --> 00:46:04,440
And then most people, and I'm
not knocking them that they go on with

736
00:46:04,440 --> 00:46:07,519
their own lives and everything. But
these are real people and they're going to

737
00:46:07,559 --> 00:46:09,400
the hospital and having surgery around their
fucking broken jaw in two places, and

738
00:46:09,480 --> 00:46:12,760
we don't see all the agony and
all the stuff that goes on behind the

739
00:46:12,760 --> 00:46:15,440
scenes. And you know, we'll
see maybe in December he'll come back in

740
00:46:15,480 --> 00:46:17,639
the ring, but we won't have
seen a difficult recovery. So in about

741
00:46:17,679 --> 00:46:21,280
three weeks, now, think about
Bam Rodriguez. You know, when you're

742
00:46:21,280 --> 00:46:23,320
when you're sucking down a chili dog
or whatever, this dude hasn't even the

743
00:46:23,360 --> 00:46:28,280
solid food for three weeks. I'm
enjoying, enjoying your big mac. Although

744
00:46:28,280 --> 00:46:30,079
he could maybe soft food get a
big back, but doubtful. I'm just

745
00:46:30,159 --> 00:46:35,639
making the point that I mean,
I find myself thinking about these types of

746
00:46:35,920 --> 00:46:39,639
fighters when they're not fighting, knowing
what they're what they're going through injury wise,

747
00:46:39,719 --> 00:46:44,960
that that they're not I can speak
only for myself when they get because

748
00:46:44,960 --> 00:46:46,440
it's going to be some low moments
when they're in the recovery. You're by

749
00:46:46,480 --> 00:46:52,480
yourself and you can't train and all
that that I'm thinking about him like I'm

750
00:46:52,559 --> 00:46:55,119
ruined for him to do well and
get better quick and have a speedy recovery

751
00:46:55,119 --> 00:46:59,920
and an injury free recovery and no
complications. But I think every boxing thing

752
00:47:00,039 --> 00:47:01,800
to just take a minute or two
every now and then and just think when

753
00:47:01,800 --> 00:47:06,559
you're going through your normal good fun
day or whatever, you're having good times,

754
00:47:06,679 --> 00:47:08,480
or you like I said, you're
sucking down your chili dog Like Bam

755
00:47:08,559 --> 00:47:13,519
Rodriguez broke his drawn two places,
and it's not like he can just go

756
00:47:13,559 --> 00:47:15,519
home the next day and everything is
good. These guys put themselves through a

757
00:47:15,559 --> 00:47:19,639
lot of stuff when they have these
fights, and I wish him a speedy

758
00:47:19,639 --> 00:47:22,599
recovery big time, and he is
one of the most talented young champions.

759
00:47:22,599 --> 00:47:27,039
He is the youngest champion I think
once again, is what we were saying

760
00:47:27,039 --> 00:47:30,239
off the podcast last week. And
hopefully he heals up soon and we'll be

761
00:47:30,280 --> 00:47:35,199
back soon. Already a couple of
other news items. Claressa Shields. We

762
00:47:35,320 --> 00:47:38,440
made mention that MICHAELA. Mayor and
Alicia Bamgarner fought last October. Shields was

763
00:47:38,480 --> 00:47:44,639
the main event beating Savannah Marshall for
the undisputed middleweight the championship, and now

764
00:47:44,679 --> 00:47:46,599
there's news that she is going to
be back in the rain. Dan phill

765
00:47:46,679 --> 00:47:52,840
Us in on winn and it's going
to be in her home area in Detroit,

766
00:47:52,960 --> 00:47:55,719
Michigan. Tell us more. Yeah, they just announced this week.

767
00:47:55,920 --> 00:47:59,280
It wasn't like a huge secret in
the world, but they made an official

768
00:47:59,320 --> 00:48:05,519
that she will end her undisputed middleweight
women's championship against Hannah Gabriel's who was won

769
00:48:05,599 --> 00:48:08,719
titles in four weight classes and has
been one of the better women boxers for

770
00:48:08,760 --> 00:48:13,039
the for the better part of the
last decade or so, and they will

771
00:48:13,039 --> 00:48:15,880
fight a rematch. It will take
place June third. It will be at

772
00:48:15,920 --> 00:48:19,960
Little Caesar's arena in Detroit, which
is the home arena where the Detroit Pistons

773
00:48:20,000 --> 00:48:23,480
play, and the Detroit was the
hockey team up there, her Red Wings

774
00:48:23,519 --> 00:48:29,800
play exactly. And uh, it's
interesting from the standpoint that the only now

775
00:48:29,880 --> 00:48:36,280
Clarss that defeated Hannah Gabriel's back in
twenty eighteen in a in a tight in

776
00:48:36,280 --> 00:48:39,079
a fight where she won two of
the vacant middleweight belts in her first time

777
00:48:39,119 --> 00:48:45,320
around before she became undisputed the first
time. And the thing that was the

778
00:48:45,800 --> 00:48:49,760
big moment I guess of that fight
was that Hannah Gabriel's knocked her on her

779
00:48:49,800 --> 00:48:53,039
rear end in the first round.
It's the only time in Claressa Shields's professional

780
00:48:53,039 --> 00:48:58,320
career or amateur career, She's had
thirteen professional fights, had about close to

781
00:48:58,320 --> 00:49:01,920
eighty amateur fights, only lost a
one fight to Savannah Marshall. Would she

782
00:49:01,960 --> 00:49:06,320
avenged in that fight you just mentioned, But the only time she's ever been

783
00:49:06,360 --> 00:49:09,599
on the deck pro or amateur was
by Hannah Gabriels, who was making a

784
00:49:09,679 --> 00:49:13,400
point in her pre fight comments that
she's going to put her down again and

785
00:49:13,480 --> 00:49:15,559
keep her down. Of course,
what else would you expect her to say?

786
00:49:15,000 --> 00:49:17,559
What I expect her to say,
and so Claressa gets to go home.

787
00:49:17,559 --> 00:49:21,159
She's from Flint, Michigan. This
will take place in Detroit. And

788
00:49:21,199 --> 00:49:23,239
she made the point to her team, her manager, Marked Hafett, her

789
00:49:23,239 --> 00:49:29,199
promoter Dmitri Selda, that after she
secured the victory against Savannah Marshall and the

790
00:49:29,239 --> 00:49:34,280
Marshall team, let expire their right
to an immediate rematch. Once that was

791
00:49:34,320 --> 00:49:37,599
no longer her obligation, she said
to her team, I want to go

792
00:49:37,639 --> 00:49:39,360
home and defend my title. And
that's exactly what they're going to do.

793
00:49:39,400 --> 00:49:44,079
And the thing that, more so
than just a matchup, is the fact.

794
00:49:44,360 --> 00:49:47,559
And this is important for boxing fans
to understand because what I wrote about

795
00:49:47,559 --> 00:49:50,960
it, but I think a lot
of people probably didn't really quite realize this.

796
00:49:50,960 --> 00:49:53,119
This fight will be on the Zone
as part of your regular subscription.

797
00:49:53,320 --> 00:49:58,000
But the reason why that's a big
deal is because they are going outside of

798
00:49:58,039 --> 00:50:01,119
their output deal they have with match
Room Boxing and Golden Boy to be there,

799
00:50:01,119 --> 00:50:05,440
who have been their major providers of
boxing and content. So they have

800
00:50:05,480 --> 00:50:08,960
picked up a couple of cards here
or there from Canada, small club type

801
00:50:08,960 --> 00:50:13,960
cards. They picked up a couple
of shows from Germany, but that weren't

802
00:50:14,000 --> 00:50:15,800
that big. They did pick up
which was one of their bigger pickups that

803
00:50:15,960 --> 00:50:20,559
was not a matchroom or Golden Boy
card. When they in America, they

804
00:50:20,559 --> 00:50:23,880
had the rights to Liam Smith against
Chris Eubank Junior. But now this is

805
00:50:23,920 --> 00:50:29,039
a card that's taking place in the
United States that is a higher profile women's

806
00:50:29,079 --> 00:50:31,679
fight. Clariss is probably pound for
pound number one, and they're putting on

807
00:50:31,679 --> 00:50:35,800
this card. And just this week
also they announced that they have picked up

808
00:50:35,840 --> 00:50:38,559
the American rights. They will televise
live in a card coming up, one

809
00:50:38,599 --> 00:50:43,960
of Lou Debella's Broadway boxing cards,
which is his regular club show he does,

810
00:50:44,000 --> 00:50:45,440
you know, eight times a year
or something like that. And so

811
00:50:45,519 --> 00:50:50,519
it just shows me that they may
not be putting on as many match room

812
00:50:50,559 --> 00:50:53,239
shows, or maybe not necessarily the
biggest title fights necessarily, but for content

813
00:50:53,280 --> 00:50:58,199
purposes. If you're a boxing fan, they are seemingly spending some money by

814
00:50:58,280 --> 00:51:02,440
putting on these other events that would
others either be on smaller outlets that we

815
00:51:02,480 --> 00:51:06,719
don't necessarily have access to, or
that would be maybe on tape delay like

816
00:51:06,760 --> 00:51:08,719
some of the Broadway boxing cars are. So the fact that they're picking up

817
00:51:08,760 --> 00:51:13,119
Claressa. They picked up as I
mentioned, you Bank and Smith, and

818
00:51:13,119 --> 00:51:16,519
they're picking up the Broadway Boxing.
Like to me, that adds some value

819
00:51:16,519 --> 00:51:20,920
to the pay of what you buy
a subscription for. It may not be,

820
00:51:21,280 --> 00:51:23,079
you know, some big mega fight
fair enough, but at least it's

821
00:51:23,119 --> 00:51:28,239
something so that that I think they
will be seeing more of that of the

822
00:51:28,239 --> 00:51:32,039
fights that are not of the promoters
that are associated with Output Deal's Top Rank

823
00:51:32,320 --> 00:51:38,480
PBC and then their own in house
contract promoters Golden Boy Match. By the

824
00:51:38,559 --> 00:51:42,920
way, there are plenty who would
be saying while you're saying that, as

825
00:51:42,960 --> 00:51:45,840
they should be, because they've jacked
the rates and are charging you so you

826
00:51:45,880 --> 00:51:49,760
need to have brights, you need
to have more content, if that's the

827
00:51:49,760 --> 00:51:52,920
case. A couple more quick news
items than some nostalgia on Haggler Hearn's anniversary

828
00:51:53,320 --> 00:51:59,760
coming on Saturday. Xander Zaiez is
now going to be part of the under

829
00:52:00,039 --> 00:52:05,920
part of the Josh Taylor Teya Fimo
Lopez title fight, the WBO one hundred

830
00:52:05,920 --> 00:52:08,800
and forty pound title fight that will
be in New York Hulu Theater, Madison

831
00:52:08,840 --> 00:52:14,239
Square Garden June. Tan Xander zaias
back finding the same opponent he was scheduled

832
00:52:14,280 --> 00:52:16,400
to fight before he suffered an injury. And this is a big deal because

833
00:52:16,440 --> 00:52:22,960
it's also a big weekend in New
York with the the Puerto Rican Parade that

834
00:52:23,079 --> 00:52:27,639
is going on the following day,
and they traditionally have had big time Puerto

835
00:52:27,719 --> 00:52:30,719
Rican fighters in and around that.
So Dan just fill in the blanks a

836
00:52:30,760 --> 00:52:34,119
little bit more on Zayas being back
and he'll be the co feature on that

837
00:52:34,360 --> 00:52:37,320
card. Sure like you like you
menture it's supposed to by Ronald Cruz.

838
00:52:37,719 --> 00:52:39,880
Buddy had and how started a hand
injury and so the fight was postponed and

839
00:52:39,920 --> 00:52:43,360
so when they reschedule it, they
put it on this card. And when

840
00:52:43,519 --> 00:52:46,119
when the fight between Taylor and Lopez
was announced being in New York at the

841
00:52:46,159 --> 00:52:50,239
Hulu Theater, and a lot of
people question why it wasn't in the main

842
00:52:50,280 --> 00:52:52,159
arena. As I explained in the
piece I wrote, it wasn't because that

843
00:52:52,199 --> 00:52:55,039
the people that run the run the
gardener at the top rank people didn't think

844
00:52:55,039 --> 00:52:59,079
it was a fight that could sell
a lot of tickets. Remember Timo Lopez

845
00:52:59,079 --> 00:53:01,920
sold almost nine and tickets for the
fight against Sandra Martin in December, which

846
00:53:02,199 --> 00:53:05,639
you know, obviously the Garden main
arena holds a lot more than nine thousand,

847
00:53:05,639 --> 00:53:07,480
but that wasn't really that big of
a fight. Taylor and Lopez is

848
00:53:07,519 --> 00:53:10,519
a much much bigger fight. It's
a big time world title fight. Uh

849
00:53:10,719 --> 00:53:14,559
you know, it's just a far
more fascinating fight. The problem is,

850
00:53:14,599 --> 00:53:15,920
as we mentioned that they have a
hold on the day because of the NHL

851
00:53:15,960 --> 00:53:20,079
Playoffs situation, So they put the
fight in the in the theater and you'd

852
00:53:20,079 --> 00:53:21,880
think, well, why don't I
just go to some other city. Well,

853
00:53:21,920 --> 00:53:23,159
the reason they want to go to
some other cities because Top Rank has

854
00:53:23,199 --> 00:53:28,760
for many many years as often as
they can, have always done a bigger

855
00:53:28,760 --> 00:53:31,000
boxing event, going back to the
heyday of Miguel Koto. This is something

856
00:53:31,079 --> 00:53:36,320
they basically created, which was to
have some kind of big card on Puerto

857
00:53:36,360 --> 00:53:39,639
Rican Day Parade weekend at Madison Square
Garden, and so they are going to

858
00:53:39,679 --> 00:53:44,480
stick to that now. The main
event between Lopez and and Taylor is not

859
00:53:44,719 --> 00:53:46,199
a Puerto Rican related fight. Taylor, of course, is from Scotland.

860
00:53:46,199 --> 00:53:52,119
Tithimo is by his his heritage is
from Honduras where he you know, he

861
00:53:52,119 --> 00:53:54,559
fought for them in the Olympic Games. But Xander's ayas the Garden people and

862
00:53:54,800 --> 00:54:00,199
top ranked view him as the next
Puerto Rican Star Championship level fighter that's going

863
00:54:00,199 --> 00:54:02,639
to fill that building up. So
they have constructed underneath an excellent main event

864
00:54:02,679 --> 00:54:07,519
between Taylor and Lopez. This this
undercard would that includes Xander's Eyes and the

865
00:54:07,559 --> 00:54:13,559
co feature against Ronald Cruz and also
other other Puerto Rican fighters that they promote

866
00:54:13,559 --> 00:54:16,400
that are trying to make their names
good prospects Handling Lebrone against Christin Tapia,

867
00:54:16,559 --> 00:54:22,599
Omar Razzario undefeated, also against Sehn
Carlos Rivera, and so it's there will

868
00:54:22,639 --> 00:54:24,880
be a Puerto Rican theme to it. And of course they've done a good

869
00:54:24,960 --> 00:54:29,760
job constructing the remainder of the undercard
because they put on Shoeshoekarenkin, the featherweight

870
00:54:29,760 --> 00:54:32,719
from Brooklyn who's starting to gain some
some notoriety, and they put on the

871
00:54:32,760 --> 00:54:37,199
Polish heavyweight they just signed. And
you know anything about Polish heavyweights tape cringing

872
00:54:37,239 --> 00:54:38,400
in a lot of fans a lot
of times when they fight. Just let

873
00:54:38,480 --> 00:54:43,199
me give you an example of the
big events at Adam Konaki has had at

874
00:54:43,199 --> 00:54:46,280
Barclay Center and UH and the likewise
back a few years before that Thomas Adamec

875
00:54:46,320 --> 00:54:52,360
in Newark, New Jersey. So, but the Puerto Ricans main event aside,

876
00:54:52,360 --> 00:54:53,239
that's what this is about, and
that's why they decided to keep it

877
00:54:53,239 --> 00:54:57,119
at the Madison's Square Garden Theater and
Xander's Ayas is gonna sell a lot of

878
00:54:57,119 --> 00:54:59,960
tickets and and bring a lot of
Puerto Rican fans to that arena. That

879
00:55:00,719 --> 00:55:04,320
very talented prospect, and we'll see, hopefully he's healed up on that hand

880
00:55:04,320 --> 00:55:07,519
injury. We'll find out in a
few a few weeks. All right,

881
00:55:07,719 --> 00:55:09,800
one more, I somewhat hesitate to
bring this up, and we are going

882
00:55:09,840 --> 00:55:12,639
to bring this up, and then
we're gonna get to the nostalgia. So

883
00:55:12,760 --> 00:55:15,920
Jake Paul is going to be back
in the boxing ring. Stop looking at

884
00:55:15,960 --> 00:55:21,719
me like that. Nate Diaz is
going to be the opponent. This is

885
00:55:21,760 --> 00:55:25,679
August Dallas, Texas. I have
already put my opinion out there, and

886
00:55:25,719 --> 00:55:29,480
I don't mean to speak for the
mighty one here, but you and I

887
00:55:29,519 --> 00:55:32,280
did talk about this before off the
loss to Tommy Fury, that if he

888
00:55:32,400 --> 00:55:37,599
was going to go back to fighting
MMA, guys, I'm out, and

889
00:55:37,639 --> 00:55:40,400
I got the sands. You're out
as well. Until he's fighting boxers.

890
00:55:40,480 --> 00:55:44,639
All right, so what is now
that I've seen that? Look, what's

891
00:55:44,679 --> 00:55:46,679
what's your reaction here? We're bringing
this up on the podcast that that's been

892
00:55:46,719 --> 00:55:50,719
announcement. It's a couple of months
away. It's August fifth, it's the

893
00:55:50,840 --> 00:55:54,199
Zone pay per view. I can't
say I'm out, but I'm like,

894
00:55:55,280 --> 00:56:00,159
I'm not. I'm not like this. I'm not against the fight. You

895
00:56:00,199 --> 00:56:01,199
know what, I'm gonna buy the
fight. I'll watch because I enjoyed the

896
00:56:01,239 --> 00:56:04,440
Jake Paul events. I'll be honest. People know that I'm not, you

897
00:56:04,480 --> 00:56:07,440
know, just a hypocrite like that. I enjoy his events. They dick

898
00:56:07,519 --> 00:56:09,559
me a little while to come around
to them, but I admitted I kind

899
00:56:09,559 --> 00:56:13,639
of dig him. To me,
it's like the other end of the spectrum

900
00:56:13,679 --> 00:56:15,320
of what I like in boxing.
But I have a wide variety of things

901
00:56:15,360 --> 00:56:19,800
in boxing that I enjoy. So
assuming it's not going to conflict with some

902
00:56:19,880 --> 00:56:22,880
other huge event, by all means, I will, I will write about

903
00:56:22,880 --> 00:56:25,400
it, talk about it, and
watch it. That said, I mean,

904
00:56:25,440 --> 00:56:28,559
he took the loss of Tommy Fury. It was a close fight.

905
00:56:28,599 --> 00:56:30,239
He did lose, and you know, I still will give him the credit

906
00:56:30,280 --> 00:56:34,360
for stepping up against a quote unquote
real boxer, which is what we wanted

907
00:56:34,400 --> 00:56:37,360
to see. So I wasn't going
to penalize him for the loss. But

908
00:56:37,440 --> 00:56:40,320
I also understand, Hey, Jay, this is a business. He want

909
00:56:40,360 --> 00:56:44,760
to make money now. Because Jake
Paul is who he is, he can

910
00:56:44,800 --> 00:56:47,360
make money fighting a lot of different
guys and where he is in the sport.

911
00:56:47,519 --> 00:56:51,719
Even if it happens in the distant
future, it's not like he's fighting

912
00:56:51,719 --> 00:56:54,320
for world titles in the boxing ring
anytime soon. So if you're Jake Paul,

913
00:56:54,360 --> 00:56:58,159
you have to make an assessment.
Do I put on something that people

914
00:56:58,239 --> 00:57:00,920
clearly are interested in? Nads is
a huge name from the MMA field.

915
00:57:00,960 --> 00:57:06,159
Dave talked shit for a long time
about everything. He's a novice boxer,

916
00:57:06,159 --> 00:57:08,000
obviously, Jake I still consider somewhat
of a novice, even where a handful

917
00:57:08,039 --> 00:57:12,760
of fights that he does have.
UM, So I can't get mad at

918
00:57:12,800 --> 00:57:14,800
the fight because you know why,
in the end, it's gonna put a

919
00:57:14,840 --> 00:57:16,000
lot of people in seats. It's
gonna sell a bunch of paper, no

920
00:57:16,159 --> 00:57:19,679
questions, and it's gonna be no
question, no question about that. And

921
00:57:20,159 --> 00:57:22,719
there's one more aspect to this,
And Jake Paul made this clear, and

922
00:57:22,760 --> 00:57:25,599
we don't know and maybe you maybe
you will find out and maybe you do

923
00:57:25,679 --> 00:57:30,719
know this. He shared that he
is now owner, he's part owner of

924
00:57:30,760 --> 00:57:36,639
this Professional Fighters League, and he
shared at that time that he wanted a

925
00:57:36,679 --> 00:57:39,719
two fight deal with Nate Diaz where
the first fight would be a boxing match

926
00:57:40,039 --> 00:57:45,159
and the second fight would be in
some version of a cage octagon with professional

927
00:57:45,199 --> 00:57:51,079
fighter league rules. So I understand
the business. I get it. I'm

928
00:57:51,119 --> 00:57:54,079
with you. They're making money,
they're selling seats. The thing is gonna

929
00:57:54,119 --> 00:57:57,960
sell seats, it's gonna sell pay
per views. The only thing that I'm

930
00:57:58,000 --> 00:58:05,440
coming at here is he's wasting our
time about boxing if he's not fighting boxers,

931
00:58:05,599 --> 00:58:08,840
even if he wins over Diaz,
for most it is a soul what

932
00:58:09,239 --> 00:58:14,000
in terms of boxing, because that's
not a boxer. So that's all I'm

933
00:58:14,039 --> 00:58:15,480
coming at it from. I understand
what you're saying. But I also will

934
00:58:15,519 --> 00:58:19,719
say this, since we know that
Jake is not gonna probably be a world

935
00:58:19,760 --> 00:58:22,719
champion, I don't say that in
a dismissive kind of way. I'm just

936
00:58:22,880 --> 00:58:27,280
being honest with my assessment. If
he can become a world champion, good

937
00:58:27,280 --> 00:58:30,800
for him. I'd be happy for
him. But given that fact, in

938
00:58:30,920 --> 00:58:35,199
boxing, not every single fight has
to be where does the lead in terms

939
00:58:35,199 --> 00:58:37,440
of a world championship? Where does
the lead are gonna be on the pounds

940
00:58:37,440 --> 00:58:38,679
for a poundless? Where does the
leader? How are you gonna be ranking

941
00:58:38,719 --> 00:58:45,039
your weightless? Jake is he's in
a special sort of category where he attracts

942
00:58:45,039 --> 00:58:49,519
interests of some element of boxing fans, even if it's not necessarily for big

943
00:58:49,519 --> 00:58:51,960
time world titles. And I'm not
trying to say these are the same thing,

944
00:58:52,199 --> 00:58:54,880
but when people went and watch our
Taro Gotti fight Mickey Ward, I'm

945
00:58:54,920 --> 00:58:58,280
just then, I'm not trying to
compare them. Just hear me out.

946
00:58:58,679 --> 00:59:00,800
What I'm saying is when people went
to watch Mickey fight ar Taro Gatti,

947
00:59:01,320 --> 00:59:05,679
you know they didn't think that was
a world championship fight. It did,

948
00:59:05,920 --> 00:59:09,239
It didn't have any implications on the
divisional rankings at that time. It wasn't

949
00:59:09,239 --> 00:59:12,559
for world titles on three straight non
title fights, but people knew they were

950
00:59:12,559 --> 00:59:15,440
gonna se a fucking barn burning fight, a great matchup, and that's where

951
00:59:15,440 --> 00:59:16,480
they saw. So again, as
it relates to a guy like at Jake

952
00:59:16,519 --> 00:59:20,039
Paul, if people go to watch
Jake Paul fight. They know it's not

953
00:59:20,079 --> 00:59:23,000
for world title fights, they know
it's not implications on pound for pounder divisional

954
00:59:23,119 --> 00:59:25,639
rankings, but they know they're probably
in for a pretty fun night out.

955
00:59:25,679 --> 00:59:29,280
And that's the bottom line and the
end of the day, TJ. As

956
00:59:29,360 --> 00:59:31,280
much as we want to see the
meaningful fights, and we get plenty of

957
00:59:31,320 --> 00:59:35,039
them, we also want to just
be fucking entertained for a few hours.

958
00:59:35,039 --> 00:59:37,159
And that's what this is about.
It's not the same thing as major world

959
00:59:37,199 --> 00:59:43,119
championship boxing, and in my life
there's room for both. So I'm out,

960
00:59:43,400 --> 00:59:45,679
You're not out. We'll get to
it when it comes from it.

961
00:59:45,480 --> 00:59:47,559
You know, we'll get to it
when it comes around. It will come

962
00:59:47,599 --> 00:59:50,679
around, and we'll get to it. So probably, you know what,

963
00:59:50,719 --> 00:59:52,760
we'll probably try to get Jake Paul
back on the podcast before then. And

964
00:59:53,119 --> 00:59:58,639
again, I am here as somebody
that has been interested in this. I

965
00:59:58,679 --> 01:00:04,119
attended the Tyron rematch that was supposed
to be Tommy Fury in Tampa in December

966
01:00:04,159 --> 01:00:07,360
of twenty twenty one. I know
he was trying to fight Hassin Rockman,

967
01:00:07,440 --> 01:00:12,480
who's a boxer, Hassin Rockman Junior, and it didn't materialize. He did

968
01:00:12,480 --> 01:00:16,480
eventually fight fury. I was more
in using the kids today's terminology in or

969
01:00:16,519 --> 01:00:20,920
out. I was more in if
we're on the trajectory of fighting boxers,

970
01:00:21,119 --> 01:00:22,800
I just don't have to see him
beat up or knock out an MMA guy

971
01:00:22,840 --> 01:00:28,360
that doesn't prove anything. I understand
his business. I understand the next fight

972
01:00:28,480 --> 01:00:31,119
is likely. He just made aage
fight. The one comment you said you

973
01:00:31,199 --> 01:00:36,280
were looking for something to be proven. I am no longer looking for something

974
01:00:36,280 --> 01:00:37,519
to do, all right. I
wanted to see him fight a boxer.

975
01:00:37,800 --> 01:00:40,679
He did it, he didn't win, and now if he wants to go

976
01:00:40,719 --> 01:00:44,679
back and fight a n Adaz,
now that's it. I hope, however

977
01:00:44,719 --> 01:00:47,079
long he continues to be a professional
boxer, that at some point he'll fight

978
01:00:47,079 --> 01:00:52,199
another boxer. I don't I don't
want to see a steady diet of nothing

979
01:00:52,239 --> 01:00:55,599
but MMA fighters or other different kind
of people over the next few years that

980
01:00:55,599 --> 01:01:00,119
he's going to be involved in the
ring. But you know, if he

981
01:01:00,199 --> 01:01:01,840
is in a boxer here and there
as well as these types of fights,

982
01:01:01,880 --> 01:01:06,360
I'm okay with it. Okay,
good enough on the news. Now that

983
01:01:06,400 --> 01:01:13,119
the nostalgia, how about thirty eight
years ago Saturday, My god, marvelous

984
01:01:13,119 --> 01:01:16,480
Marvin Hagler, the late Marvin Hagler, and Tommy Hitman. Hearns. So

985
01:01:16,599 --> 01:01:21,719
much has been said, including by
us on this podcast, you in numerous

986
01:01:21,760 --> 01:01:25,519
interviews, You and I have talked
about this even without the anniversary previously.

987
01:01:27,840 --> 01:01:30,320
Now we have the anniversary. I'm
gonna be the first one to say it

988
01:01:30,360 --> 01:01:31,679
because you're gonna say it as well. I'm gonna watch the whole fight at

989
01:01:31,719 --> 01:01:36,320
some point. I may watch it
twice this weekend because it's that good.

990
01:01:36,400 --> 01:01:38,719
It is the greatest short fight,
bar none, in boxing history. I

991
01:01:38,800 --> 01:01:42,000
put that out there. Maybe you
want to argue with that. It's the

992
01:01:42,000 --> 01:01:46,360
greatest short It's the greatest first round
in major championship boxing history without a knockdown,

993
01:01:46,599 --> 01:01:51,599
bar none, greatest first round maybe
ever, but definitely without a knockdown.

994
01:01:51,880 --> 01:01:52,920
That's me saying all of that,
all right, so go ahead.

995
01:01:53,280 --> 01:01:57,000
You don't even have to put in
the caveat of no knockdown. It's the

996
01:01:57,000 --> 01:02:00,039
greatest first round in boxing history,
period, barn On, Barnon period.

997
01:02:00,119 --> 01:02:02,480
There's no other. There's plenty of
fights. I'm sure if we sat in

998
01:02:02,519 --> 01:02:06,559
the round and thought about it,
with other excellent first rounds, but nothing

999
01:02:06,599 --> 01:02:09,159
like that. I mean Yes,
we've talked about the fight before, but

1000
01:02:09,199 --> 01:02:13,440
I'm always down for the for an
excuse to talk about Haggler and Hearns,

1001
01:02:13,440 --> 01:02:16,719
because, as you mentioned, it's
such a it's such a big time fight,

1002
01:02:16,760 --> 01:02:20,920
it's such a meaningful fight. It's
such a fight that transcended the sport

1003
01:02:21,039 --> 01:02:23,480
that people literally will bring it up
to me in some forward fashion, like,

1004
01:02:23,519 --> 01:02:27,199
you know, every few days,
you know, thirty eight years after

1005
01:02:27,239 --> 01:02:30,079
the fact. I mean, there's
not that many fights that occupy that sort

1006
01:02:30,119 --> 01:02:36,840
of space in sports lure and Hagler
Hearns occupies a special place in sports lore,

1007
01:02:37,159 --> 01:02:39,559
not just boxing lore. That's the
kind of fight that it Wasn't that

1008
01:02:39,599 --> 01:02:45,880
you want to talk about people who
are poor, top boxers who had universal

1009
01:02:45,920 --> 01:02:50,559
respect from other boxers, from media, from fans, from everybody else in

1010
01:02:50,599 --> 01:02:53,079
the business, from other athletes,
from other people in sports, from anybody

1011
01:02:53,079 --> 01:02:58,079
that may have watched them even before
they fought each other. Hearns and Haggler

1012
01:02:58,440 --> 01:03:00,719
commanded huge amounts of respect from everybody. And then when they went in the

1013
01:03:00,800 --> 01:03:05,599
ring and did what they did for
those glorious nine minutes or so, uh,

1014
01:03:05,880 --> 01:03:07,880
you know, they put themselves in
a rarefied air. And whether Tommy

1015
01:03:07,920 --> 01:03:10,440
Hearns has got knocked out or not. No one's gonna hold that against him.

1016
01:03:10,440 --> 01:03:15,000
He was in one of the all
time greats and uh, Haggler was

1017
01:03:15,079 --> 01:03:16,880
just not going to be denied on
that night. And it is a special,

1018
01:03:16,960 --> 01:03:20,599
special fight. And the great thing
about it doesn't take a whole lot

1019
01:03:20,599 --> 01:03:23,840
of time to watch. And uh, you know, I don't know anybody

1020
01:03:23,920 --> 01:03:28,079
that could be a boxing and not
enjoy that fight. I'll use this analogy

1021
01:03:28,400 --> 01:03:32,480
if a Martian came down and landed
on planet Earth and and and you explained

1022
01:03:32,480 --> 01:03:36,079
to them what boxing was. Or
let's say you have a friend of yours

1023
01:03:36,320 --> 01:03:38,960
that is a basketball fan or a
baseball fan but doesn't know anything or never

1024
01:03:38,960 --> 01:03:42,960
watch boxing, and wanted that you
wanted to introduce them to the sport,

1025
01:03:43,519 --> 01:03:45,800
and you picked out, you know, you know whatever, two or three

1026
01:03:45,840 --> 01:03:47,639
fights or whatever you would pick.
Haggler Hearns is one of those fights has

1027
01:03:47,679 --> 01:03:52,320
showed this person to sort of explain
what the attraction of this sport is.

1028
01:03:52,239 --> 01:03:55,719
Well, you use the word special. It is it is still thirty eight

1029
01:03:55,800 --> 01:04:01,480
years later, now this is interesting. Previously on the Fight Weekend preview podcast

1030
01:04:01,559 --> 01:04:05,280
feed, we did talk with Barry
Tompkins. So there were two calls of

1031
01:04:05,280 --> 01:04:11,199
the fight that night. The live
pay per view call was Al Michaels,

1032
01:04:11,199 --> 01:04:15,960
the legendary Al Michaels now of mainly
Sunday Night football fame, but for so

1033
01:04:15,000 --> 01:04:19,719
many years did the World Series now
Thursday night football fame. Correct has done

1034
01:04:19,719 --> 01:04:23,280
the Super Bowl? Did the World
Series for so many years? Famous for

1035
01:04:23,320 --> 01:04:26,920
the US hockey team. Do you
believe in miracles? Yes, with that

1036
01:04:27,000 --> 01:04:30,679
call winning the gold medal in the
ice hockey game with the Russians. So

1037
01:04:30,760 --> 01:04:33,159
Al on the call, with Al
Bernstein on the pay per view, the

1038
01:04:33,239 --> 01:04:39,760
legendary Hall of Fame analyst all right. So also HBO had the tape delay

1039
01:04:39,840 --> 01:04:42,880
right the rights. They had paid
millions of dollars to show the fight a

1040
01:04:42,920 --> 01:04:45,519
few days later after it was held
on a Monday night, by the way,

1041
01:04:45,639 --> 01:04:49,960
on tax Day, April to fifteenth. That was Barry Tompkins, Larry

1042
01:04:50,000 --> 01:04:55,360
Merchant, and Sugar Ray Leonard on
the call. Interesting that Leonard had fought

1043
01:04:55,400 --> 01:04:59,800
and beaten Thomas Hearns, as we
talked about last week on the podcast,

1044
01:05:00,199 --> 01:05:02,800
he had not fought Marvin Hagler.
Would not fight Marvin Hagler for a couple

1045
01:05:02,880 --> 01:05:08,119
more years had already humiliated Marvin Hagler
by saying I'm not gonna fight you,

1046
01:05:08,159 --> 01:05:11,679
I'm going to retire. He had
done that before. So Leonard is on

1047
01:05:11,719 --> 01:05:15,840
the call with Barry Tompkins, with
Larry Merchant. So Dan, I want

1048
01:05:15,840 --> 01:05:19,519
to play this for the audience here. We talked with Barry Tompkins about that,

1049
01:05:19,639 --> 01:05:24,519
about the fact that there were two
calls. Al Michael's on the call,

1050
01:05:24,920 --> 01:05:28,360
Barry Tompkins on the call, and
you'll hear me say in the build

1051
01:05:28,440 --> 01:05:30,960
up, it is still in my
mind. It is still in my brain,

1052
01:05:31,840 --> 01:05:35,280
in my ears. Barry Tompkins in
the middle of the first round finally

1053
01:05:35,320 --> 01:05:40,719
just exclaims, this is still the
first round. And you will hear me

1054
01:05:40,880 --> 01:05:45,440
ask him about that when we had
him on the Big Fight Weekend preview back

1055
01:05:45,480 --> 01:05:47,400
of a few years ago, right
around the anniversary back three four years ago,

1056
01:05:47,480 --> 01:05:50,719
right around the anniversary of Hagler,
hearns here was what Barry had to

1057
01:05:50,760 --> 01:05:57,079
say on the Q and A about
calling that epic first round and through the

1058
01:05:57,119 --> 01:06:00,559
middle of it, you know this, Both of you had kind of the

1059
01:06:00,679 --> 01:06:04,840
same reaction where Al's line with Al
Bernstein is something to the effect, how

1060
01:06:04,880 --> 01:06:08,960
long can they keep it up not
very long at this point, at this

1061
01:06:09,039 --> 01:06:13,519
pace, you say, in the
middle of that first round, obviously this

1062
01:06:13,719 --> 01:06:17,559
is still the first round. We
are all forty years later, still saying

1063
01:06:17,679 --> 01:06:21,679
this is still the first round and
it was just great to relive. It

1064
01:06:21,719 --> 01:06:27,079
transcends everything, and again we're thrilled
to have you and I still love almost

1065
01:06:27,079 --> 01:06:30,880
forty years later, this is still
the first round. Very tough. Well,

1066
01:06:30,920 --> 01:06:33,599
you know, the funny thing about
that is there's been a few opportunities.

1067
01:06:33,639 --> 01:06:38,239
You only have so many opportunities in
your career to have, you know,

1068
01:06:38,320 --> 01:06:41,360
a moment like that, I say
a moment it was three minutes,

1069
01:06:41,400 --> 01:06:46,760
but you know where there's something really
big happens and you're fortunate enough to reckon

1070
01:06:46,840 --> 01:06:50,199
end Al of course Al doesn't better
than anybody, oh out of the way,

1071
01:06:50,400 --> 01:06:56,400
but to recognize that moment when it
happens, and you just hope that

1072
01:06:56,440 --> 01:06:59,800
you say the right thing at the
right time. And it's nothing you could

1073
01:06:59,800 --> 01:07:03,519
ever prepare for, it's nothing you
could ever plan, and you hope.

1074
01:07:03,639 --> 01:07:08,719
I've always thought, if you can
get fifty percent of those, you're doing

1075
01:07:08,800 --> 01:07:13,360
okay, and Al Michaels gets about
seventy five, you know, I mean,

1076
01:07:13,639 --> 01:07:15,480
you know his line in the hockey
game in nineteen eighty Miracle on ice

1077
01:07:15,519 --> 01:07:20,039
game was probably one of the most
classic lines in sports television history, you

1078
01:07:20,079 --> 01:07:24,960
know, and he nailed it,
you know. And I've been lucky enough.

1079
01:07:25,000 --> 01:07:29,239
I've had my share, and I
think, in my own mind,

1080
01:07:28,719 --> 01:07:31,199
maybe maybe I've gotten fifty percent the
way I would have wanted to do it,

1081
01:07:31,519 --> 01:07:35,159
had I have had time to rehearse
it, you know. But you

1082
01:07:35,159 --> 01:07:39,840
know, there've been a number of
calls that I'd like to have back.

1083
01:07:41,320 --> 01:07:44,079
That man's a legend, and he's
still doing this at a very high level,

1084
01:07:44,119 --> 01:07:46,800
doing the Showbox series occasionally on Showtime
Championship Boxing as a fill in for

1085
01:07:46,880 --> 01:07:53,360
Moral Ronaldo at over eighty years of
age. All of Fame broadcaster Barry Tompkins

1086
01:07:53,840 --> 01:07:58,719
and Al Michael's the same way as
Al's line to Al Bernstein was how long

1087
01:07:58,800 --> 01:08:01,119
can they keep this up at this
pace? Not very long, is what

1088
01:08:01,199 --> 01:08:05,079
Al says to the other. Alley
answers his own question with that just an

1089
01:08:05,079 --> 01:08:09,719
epic first round and two Hall of
Fame broadcasters on the call of it,

1090
01:08:09,760 --> 01:08:12,519
on two different calls of it.
Dan, it's not just the first round

1091
01:08:12,519 --> 01:08:14,559
though, I mean, yes,
that's at the table obviously, and that's

1092
01:08:14,559 --> 01:08:16,880
the great round. But the whole
fight was tremendous, you know, ending

1093
01:08:16,880 --> 01:08:19,840
in the third round with a knockout. I mean, it was just as

1094
01:08:19,840 --> 01:08:24,479
good as it gets. And you
know what you mentioned about talking to Barry,

1095
01:08:24,920 --> 01:08:26,600
who, by the way, just
one of the best guys you'll ever

1096
01:08:26,640 --> 01:08:30,680
know, just just a tremendous,
a great guy. To hear him talk

1097
01:08:30,720 --> 01:08:34,560
about, it's still the first round
when I think of that fight, with

1098
01:08:34,600 --> 01:08:39,039
all respect to the great call that
that Al Michaels and our friend Al Bernstein

1099
01:08:39,119 --> 01:08:45,079
did on the fight. Also,
I always remember that comment from Barry Tompkins

1100
01:08:45,399 --> 01:08:49,119
that as the as as the audio, let's say, of that fight,

1101
01:08:49,239 --> 01:08:53,279
this is still the first round.
You know, the great calls that we've

1102
01:08:53,279 --> 01:08:55,840
heard through boxing history, Barry Thompkins
has a lot of them. I mean,

1103
01:08:56,239 --> 01:08:59,119
that's that's probably his most famous one. Or how do you like it?

1104
01:08:59,159 --> 01:09:02,159
I guess as another one that he
said when Marvin Hagler and Sugar and

1105
01:09:02,239 --> 01:09:05,359
Leonard were fighting each other. But
yeah, I mean I just can't get

1106
01:09:05,439 --> 01:09:10,239
enough of that fight. Anybody that's
listened to us talking about those four kings

1107
01:09:10,239 --> 01:09:13,119
over the years, you know,
when they fought each other, I've been

1108
01:09:13,159 --> 01:09:15,640
obsessed with those nine fights between those
great fighters for most of my life.

1109
01:09:15,720 --> 01:09:18,760
I've collected the memorabilia from those fights
as much as I've could. I've read

1110
01:09:18,800 --> 01:09:25,000
the books, I've watched the documentaries. Obviously, there's a great documentary on

1111
01:09:25,079 --> 01:09:29,600
the HBO Legendary Night series about Haggler
versus Hearns. And you know, there's

1112
01:09:29,600 --> 01:09:31,279
stuff in the book I keep mentioning
by George Kimball, The Four Kings.

1113
01:09:32,600 --> 01:09:39,039
It just it lives on. I
mean, Marvin Hagler left us a couple

1114
01:09:39,039 --> 01:09:43,520
of years ago, Tommy still with
us when Tommy's gone. That they will

1115
01:09:43,560 --> 01:09:47,079
always be remembered for their great careers. But the crescendo, the apax,

1116
01:09:47,159 --> 01:09:50,439
so whatever word you want to use, was that fight, Because as big

1117
01:09:50,439 --> 01:09:54,960
of a deal as Ray Leonard was
when he fought Tommy Hearns in the first

1118
01:09:54,960 --> 01:09:59,119
fight, whatever big of a deal
it was when they finally Haggler and Leonard

1119
01:09:59,159 --> 01:10:01,119
finally fought, which turn to be
Marvin's final fight, and all the different

1120
01:10:01,119 --> 01:10:05,159
fights with Duran and all the other
ones, the greatest fight of those nine

1121
01:10:05,199 --> 01:10:12,600
fights and probably not probably definitely the
biggest one that didn't include Ray, who

1122
01:10:12,640 --> 01:10:15,319
was the biggest star of the four, obviously it was Hagler. Versions I

1123
01:10:15,359 --> 01:10:18,079
was in high school in the fight
happened. I can still remember going to

1124
01:10:18,119 --> 01:10:21,079
school the next day, and you
know, the teachers were talking about it.

1125
01:10:21,079 --> 01:10:24,600
All the kids were talking about it, even if they hadn't seen it,

1126
01:10:24,600 --> 01:10:28,239
because I wasn't able to watch alive. My you know, my mom

1127
01:10:28,319 --> 01:10:30,000
wasn't taking me to see closed circuit. I don't remember what my dad was

1128
01:10:30,039 --> 01:10:34,159
doing. Uh. But so you
saw the still photos on the cable,

1129
01:10:35,039 --> 01:10:40,079
and you saw the pictures still photos
right right, saw the pictures in Sports

1130
01:10:40,079 --> 01:10:43,680
Illustrated a few days later when a
magazine came out, and then you know,

1131
01:10:43,680 --> 01:10:45,800
you watched the replay on HBO.
This was no internet, no YouTube,

1132
01:10:45,800 --> 01:10:48,560
no smartphone. You had to wait
a week or so to be able

1133
01:10:48,560 --> 01:10:50,920
to watch the fight. And then
even if you watch the fight, they

1134
01:10:50,920 --> 01:10:54,800
only showed it like one time.
There was no HBO two, HBO,

1135
01:10:54,880 --> 01:10:58,159
three, HBO, Max, HBO, this HBO on demand. You just

1136
01:10:58,520 --> 01:11:00,800
you sat down in your in your
living room at like ten o'clock on the

1137
01:11:00,840 --> 01:11:03,279
Saturday night. You are you know
you watched them a few days later.

1138
01:11:03,319 --> 01:11:06,319
Did you miss it? You're out
of Look you didn't tape it. Yeah,

1139
01:11:06,399 --> 01:11:12,119
there's no doubt epic, epic to
watch all of that unfold. Will

1140
01:11:12,119 --> 01:11:15,199
be watching it again this weekend.
And I was just thinking this when you

1141
01:11:15,199 --> 01:11:17,279
were saying this, you echo,
you echo this as well. I mentioned

1142
01:11:17,279 --> 01:11:23,359
the US hockey team defeating the Russians. So that's forty three years ago.

1143
01:11:23,600 --> 01:11:27,199
In February of nineteen eighty, we
talked about Larry Bird, Magic Johnson,

1144
01:11:27,680 --> 01:11:33,279
and it transcended that that championship game
transcended the NCAA tournament. It helped launch

1145
01:11:33,319 --> 01:11:38,640
their NBA careers and helped launch the
NBA in to becoming what's now. If

1146
01:11:38,640 --> 01:11:43,680
you think of those guys, you
think largely of, you know, their

1147
01:11:43,760 --> 01:11:46,399
championship game, the USA Hockey team. You know, as soon as you

1148
01:11:46,479 --> 01:11:50,840
say the USA Hockey team, you
think of that game with the Russians,

1149
01:11:51,039 --> 01:11:58,399
And as soon as you think of
NonStop brutal championship fight, the first and

1150
01:11:58,520 --> 01:12:02,479
probably the only fight that comes to
mind immediately is Hearns and Haggler, because

1151
01:12:02,479 --> 01:12:06,079
again, it just it transcends,
and it was in around that same time

1152
01:12:06,119 --> 01:12:10,760
period of those other two things that
I mentioned, so well worth it well,

1153
01:12:11,319 --> 01:12:13,439
by the way, just real quick, we've talked about I think before

1154
01:12:13,479 --> 01:12:15,840
about why they came out the way
they came out. Said it again,

1155
01:12:15,960 --> 01:12:19,279
said a couple of weeks ago,
But say it again. Back then there

1156
01:12:19,359 --> 01:12:25,000
was no you know, virtual press
conferences on zoom. They barnstorm the country

1157
01:12:25,039 --> 01:12:28,239
to sell closed circuit because pay per
view was still only in and full of

1158
01:12:28,239 --> 01:12:30,239
homes. You had to go to
individual cities and get the local fans and

1159
01:12:30,239 --> 01:12:33,439
local press all geeked up for the
fight. And you did that by going

1160
01:12:33,439 --> 01:12:36,720
to their town and selling it so
they would pay their money and go see

1161
01:12:36,720 --> 01:12:41,039
your Then on a Monday night when
the empty movie theaters would then be filled

1162
01:12:41,039 --> 01:12:43,199
with boxing events because most people didn't
take a date to a movie on a

1163
01:12:43,279 --> 01:12:45,359
Monday night, and they would go
and they wanted to fill up the local

1164
01:12:45,560 --> 01:12:48,960
movie houses in the theaters. And
so how they do that by going on

1165
01:12:49,039 --> 01:12:54,399
a long press store. They traveled
to something like thirty cities. They barnstorm

1166
01:12:54,479 --> 01:12:57,279
the country in private jet, and
every day they would do a couple of

1167
01:12:57,279 --> 01:13:00,439
press conferences. And so Marvin Hagler
and Tommy Hearns, you know who could

1168
01:13:00,479 --> 01:13:03,800
definitely be grumpy kind of guys,
stood in front of each other every single

1169
01:13:03,880 --> 01:13:08,800
day for probably about two weeks and
talking about they were gonna beat the shit

1170
01:13:08,840 --> 01:13:10,960
of each other. And by the
time and air Bob Aaron, who was

1171
01:13:11,000 --> 01:13:13,279
the promoter the fight, tells the
story. I've heard him tell it many

1172
01:13:13,319 --> 01:13:16,199
times, you know, during where
you're just sitting around shooting the shooting the

1173
01:13:16,199 --> 01:13:20,159
crap about whatever's been going on,
talks about how they had gotten under each

1174
01:13:20,159 --> 01:13:23,680
other's skin so bad they just absolutely
hate each other. They wanted to tear

1175
01:13:23,720 --> 01:13:27,319
each other's heads off. And when
that bell rang, all that month,

1176
01:13:27,399 --> 01:13:30,399
you know, the two weeks of
being in front of each other and all

1177
01:13:30,439 --> 01:13:32,840
the back and forth for weeks and
weeks and weeks, it all spelled out

1178
01:13:32,880 --> 01:13:36,039
and it ended up with them just
going and trying to get each other out

1179
01:13:36,079 --> 01:13:40,119
of there. And we should and
we should say this too, just to

1180
01:13:40,199 --> 01:13:43,319
eliminate what you're talking about. So
there is no internet. Obviously the Internet

1181
01:13:43,359 --> 01:13:47,880
would not be around for another decade. And you were very reliant on ESPN,

1182
01:13:48,399 --> 01:13:53,159
or you were reliant on CNN Sports
Tonight for the national news. What

1183
01:13:53,319 --> 01:13:56,000
they were doing, because we've talked
about it before, but for the audience

1184
01:13:56,039 --> 01:13:59,039
here is they would go into the
local market to be on the front page

1185
01:13:59,119 --> 01:14:02,199
of the La Times, to be
on the front page of the Atlanta Journal

1186
01:14:02,239 --> 01:14:06,560
Constitution newspaper, to have the Atlanta
Local TV talking about it, the Dallas

1187
01:14:06,600 --> 01:14:12,720
Morning News newspaper talking about a Dallas
TV, Dallas radio. They were going

1188
01:14:12,760 --> 01:14:16,239
to all those places so that in
the local market where you're watching the news

1189
01:14:16,319 --> 01:14:20,159
and reading the newspaper, because that's
what you had to do before in the

1190
01:14:20,199 --> 01:14:25,600
eighties was watch the local news and
read the newspaper. They were hitting all

1191
01:14:25,640 --> 01:14:30,399
those cities to get coverage, so
they would buy the closed circuit tickets or

1192
01:14:30,399 --> 01:14:32,640
in the early stages of pay per
view, by the pay per view,

1193
01:14:32,720 --> 01:14:38,840
and it worked. It was a
massive success because of the barnstorming you're describing,

1194
01:14:40,000 --> 01:14:43,960
no question, and it became front
page news. It became not just

1195
01:14:44,039 --> 01:14:46,600
front page news of your sports section, but of your newspaper period. It

1196
01:14:46,720 --> 01:14:49,800
was that kind of fight. And
it didn't hurt, of course, that

1197
01:14:49,800 --> 01:14:55,359
they were already Hagler Hearns already had
a level of stardom and notoriety before they

1198
01:14:55,399 --> 01:14:59,119
fought each other. And really what
led them, you know, not exactly,

1199
01:14:59,159 --> 01:15:03,039
but he ended up with each other
because Ray had been retired at that

1200
01:15:03,039 --> 01:15:06,119
time and it wasn't you know,
he would come back and eventually fight Haggler.

1201
01:15:06,119 --> 01:15:11,159
He would eventually fight but Haggler to
the point Haggler didn't know that Haggler

1202
01:15:11,159 --> 01:15:14,319
didn't know that Ray was gonna fight
him, and Haggler understood, this is

1203
01:15:14,359 --> 01:15:17,199
my big moment. This is my
multi multi million dollar moment. If I

1204
01:15:17,239 --> 01:15:21,439
can win this fight and cash in, this is it. And listen,

1205
01:15:21,479 --> 01:15:27,640
Marvin became with that victory. He
didn't need Ray. He was selling shaving

1206
01:15:27,680 --> 01:15:30,840
cream and deodorant and Pizza's and Kitchman
for everything. You know, he got

1207
01:15:30,880 --> 01:15:36,000
that commercial endorsement money besides what he
made in the fight. He became a

1208
01:15:36,039 --> 01:15:40,560
guy that was on regular TV commercials. That's way you might see, you

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01:15:40,600 --> 01:15:44,920
know, like cologne, wasn't it
brute? The cologne after he shaved and

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01:15:45,000 --> 01:15:47,199
the one commercial I think it was
bruty at the end he had the deodorant.

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01:15:47,359 --> 01:15:50,399
Yes, you know, so it
was. It was. It was

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01:15:50,439 --> 01:15:53,680
a great fight. What can I
say? I mean, it's uh And

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as I always say now over the
last ten years, it's my pleasure to

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01:15:58,359 --> 01:16:01,039
have that fight anniversary to be on
the same day as my son's birthday.

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01:16:01,119 --> 01:16:06,319
How about that? And we will
always be talking about this, I mean,

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01:16:06,359 --> 01:16:10,760
we're talking about it nearly forty years
later, we'll be talking about it

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01:16:10,840 --> 01:16:14,640
ten years from now. It's that
epic. There are so many fight fans

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01:16:14,680 --> 01:16:16,159
that are not our age, that
are younger because we're getting old, ray

1219
01:16:16,159 --> 01:16:19,239
Field, We're not old, but
we're getting old and they don't know about

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01:16:19,279 --> 01:16:23,239
this. And the and the Four
Kings documentary that Showtime did did a great

1221
01:16:23,319 --> 01:16:25,920
job. The internet's a great thing
with YouTube, like you mentioned, go

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01:16:26,039 --> 01:16:30,920
watch the HBO Legendary Nights, a
little thirty minute quick in encapsulation of this,

1223
01:16:31,359 --> 01:16:35,920
because it just it was that big
of a deal and that phenomenal of

1224
01:16:35,960 --> 01:16:41,800
a first round. There's something like
over ninety power punches landed between the two

1225
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guys in that first round. The
boxing was just the first round. Dan

1226
01:16:46,119 --> 01:16:49,119
ray Field, Listen, I love
boxing. I've made my life in it

1227
01:16:49,159 --> 01:16:54,560
in terms of my career for twenty
plus years. But it's boxing was so

1228
01:16:54,640 --> 01:16:58,279
much bigger back then. It really, it was just so much more of

1229
01:16:58,319 --> 01:17:00,960
a big deal, at least in
this country, compared to what it is

1230
01:17:00,960 --> 01:17:03,920
now. And it hurts my heart
where boxing has fallen too. I still

1231
01:17:04,079 --> 01:17:08,359
love the big fights and all that, but it's very rare that there's a

1232
01:17:08,359 --> 01:17:10,680
fight like a Haggler herns or breaks
through. It's happened a few times.

1233
01:17:10,680 --> 01:17:14,760
Obviously Mayweather pack out, other Mayweather
fights, Oscar Tyson here and there,

1234
01:17:14,840 --> 01:17:18,680
that type of fight, but the
magnitude of those events, it was every

1235
01:17:18,680 --> 01:17:23,159
bit the level of the biggest sporting
events you could ask for in the entire

1236
01:17:23,199 --> 01:17:27,079
country whatever. And that's including things
like the World Series in the final four.

1237
01:17:27,199 --> 01:17:30,079
Maybe not quite the super Bowl,
but any other sport you pick it,

1238
01:17:30,159 --> 01:17:32,920
and it was on that same level. Great stuff on the nostalgia and

1239
01:17:33,039 --> 01:17:38,359
again love the inside of somebody like
Barry Tompkins that was on the call.

1240
01:17:38,479 --> 01:17:43,199
And still remember Ray Leonard was right
on it as well, because he kept

1241
01:17:43,199 --> 01:17:45,960
saying Tommy's legs are not there.
He's saying that early on in the second

1242
01:17:46,039 --> 01:17:48,760
round, like this is gonna be
over because tom He didn't say that,

1243
01:17:48,760 --> 01:17:53,119
but he's applying it. Tommy's legs
are gone, He's not there, and

1244
01:17:53,159 --> 01:17:57,880
eventually Haggler got him out of there. Signature win for all time for Marvin

1245
01:17:57,880 --> 01:18:01,640
Hagler that night. Okay, so
again we've got Joe Joyce and Zali Jang.

1246
01:18:01,760 --> 01:18:04,239
That's the heavyweight main event. I
don't know that we'll get first round

1247
01:18:04,239 --> 01:18:09,319
fireworks like Hagler and Hearns on the
thirty eighth anniversary. But that's the fight

1248
01:18:09,399 --> 01:18:13,720
for Saturday the fifteenth. We've talked
about that. We've given you some news.

1249
01:18:14,439 --> 01:18:16,520
Dan. I will see you and
talk to you next as the podcast

1250
01:18:16,640 --> 01:18:20,880
releases here on the bet Us Boxing
Show Live one Eastern time on Friday.

1251
01:18:20,920 --> 01:18:25,920
They need to find us on the
bet Us platform's YouTube, Twitter, Twitch,

1252
01:18:25,920 --> 01:18:30,119
wherever you get the bet US programming
where they're live at one Eastern time

1253
01:18:30,199 --> 01:18:33,800
making some comments, making some gambling
predictions on it. Find us there,

1254
01:18:34,159 --> 01:18:38,560
and whatever happens with Joyce and Jang
and the MICHAELA. Mayor fight, will

1255
01:18:38,560 --> 01:18:41,920
come back and recap it on the
weekend. And next week is Jervonte Davis

1256
01:18:41,960 --> 01:18:45,159
Ryan Garcia fight week. So we
enjoyed having Ryan on the podcast to preview

1257
01:18:45,159 --> 01:18:48,920
it. You'll hear a lot more
from him and some from Jervonte Davis next

1258
01:18:48,960 --> 01:18:51,840
week. Right. We're looking forward
to all of this this weekend and next

1259
01:18:51,840 --> 01:18:55,760
week as well, and hopefully while
I'm in Vegas, I can line up

1260
01:18:55,760 --> 01:18:59,359
a couple other folks to come on
and do some interviews with me and let

1261
01:18:59,359 --> 01:19:02,079
the folks know we have coming up
in the can we'll use on upcoming podcast

1262
01:19:02,119 --> 01:19:05,920
episodes. At some point we have
Kenelo Alvarez interview in the bank. I

1263
01:19:06,079 --> 01:19:11,560
have a great interview with Dmitri Beevill
and his manager of Dadian Cornelov in the

1264
01:19:11,600 --> 01:19:15,479
bank. So you're gonna make sure
you're following or subscribing to the Big Fight

1265
01:19:15,520 --> 01:19:19,279
Weekend podcast fee because you'll get those
interviews as part of our podcast or even

1266
01:19:19,319 --> 01:19:24,039
in a standalone form as well.
Great stuff with Ryan Garcia. Dan is

1267
01:19:24,119 --> 01:19:26,239
killing it. Keep it up,
my friend, have a great weekend.

1268
01:19:26,279 --> 01:19:29,319
We'll see you on the bet us
show. We'll recap everything on Fight Freaks.

1269
01:19:29,319 --> 01:19:31,920
You unite off the weekend. Thank
you, sir, you bet and

1270
01:19:32,039 --> 01:19:34,920
we thank all of you for listening. Rate us and review us. Ray

1271
01:19:34,920 --> 01:19:39,760
feels getting grumpy. We need some
more reviews five star reviews. Tell him

1272
01:19:39,800 --> 01:19:42,760
how wonderful all this coverage is that
it has been good. No bs,

1273
01:19:42,840 --> 01:19:45,359
it has been great with the different
fighter interviews and the insight and the analysis

1274
01:19:45,399 --> 01:19:48,720
on the show. Give us a
rating of review. Apple Podcast, Google

1275
01:19:48,760 --> 01:19:51,319
Podcasts, Spotify, wherever you get
podcast, you can find the show.

1276
01:19:51,359 --> 01:19:55,520
It is the Big Fight Weekend Preview. We'll see what happens with Joe Joyce

1277
01:19:55,600 --> 01:19:59,880
and Jang. We're back to recap
it off the weekend with the Fight Freaks

1278
01:19:59,880 --> 01:20:04,640
You Night Recap podcast. For now, We're good though previewing the weekend. Bye m