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We are going to go right out
to the KWA commons Parrel hotline, though,

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bring on one of our favorites,
Ryan Michael at the Ryan Michael on

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the Twitter. How you doing,
Bud? Doing well? Ben? How

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are you guys? It's been a
fun day, a little all over the

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map, but a little busy,
but overall been a pretty good day.

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Steve was in here a segment ago. We were I was noticing with the

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Marlin Brisco thing, the number fourteen
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you noticed that that number popped up
a lot as well? It sure has,

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and I've been just waiting for the
opportunity to come on to explain to

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people why the number fourteen is so
much more impressive than it probably seems,

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because I bet you a lot of
our listeners are thinking of what raw numbers

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look like in the NFL today,
in a seventeen game schedule, modern day

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rules, and they wouldn't necessarily know
that fourteen touchdown passes in nineteen sixty eight

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in the AFL ranked sixth in the
league, and if you combine Marlin's three

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rushing touchdowns that year, he tied
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and Lenn Dawson for fourth in the
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So it's so much more impressive than
just the raw number fourteen or the raw

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number seventeen would lead you to believe. And he didn't play the whole season.

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I mean, he didn't start until
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of October. He came on a
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week of September, that's correct.
And he only he appeared in eleven games,

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but he only had five starts in
total. So the numbers again just

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to break them down, and I
love to adjust statistics for Era just to

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put into perspective how impressive our forefathers
had been. He was seventh in the

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league with ninety three pass completions,
sixth in the league in passing yards one

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thy five hundred and eighty nine,
as I had mentioned, six and touchdown

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passes with fourteen, second in the
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the league in touchdown pass percentage at
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yards per pass completion at seventeen point
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of football. So in you compare
him to Steve Tenzie, who was the

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incumbent starter whom he replaced in Marlin
ranked higher than Steve did in completion percentage,

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yards per attempt, touchdown pass percentage, interception percentage, So by every

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measure, he outshined the guy who
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would end up taking the gig back
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back to Marlin Brisco's nineteen sixty eight
seeds and he should have been the rookie

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of the year, but statistically far
more impressive than you would think just looking

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at the world numbers. Yeah,
it was kind of an interesting year,

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you know, with that you had, was it nineteen was it sixty eight?

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I think you had eight quarterbacks lebronco
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Steve Tenzie, Jim mcclare, John
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who is actually the guy in between
Tenzie and Brisco. DeVito who came

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in went one of six for sixteen
yards, and then they brought in Marlon

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Briscoe and you know the rest.
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it were. It's interesting to me
that he came in had this success,

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they still didn't quite believe in him
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from him, and he just couldn't
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were stocked at quarterback with Jack Camp, Tom Flores, James Harris, you

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know all those guys, and they
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Absolutely, and when he went to
Buffalo, he was already a formidable

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receiving threat. Bear in mind,
and I encourage all of our listeners to

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listen to Nick's interview because he really
breaks it down in great detail there directly

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with Marlin that he had never played
receiver in his career before, not in

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high school, not in college.
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in nineteen seventy, he finished seventh
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had a second in the NFL in
receptions fifty seven, second in the NFL

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in receiving yards one thy thirty six, and he was only sixty five yards

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shy of leading the league. I
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moment and recognize just how impressive it
is for a guy to switch positions with

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no prior experience at that position,
and in the first year where the NFL

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and the AFL were merged, he
was putting up what would have been the

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equivalent of Justin Jefferson like numbers and
Justin for era. Incredible. He was

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a first team All Pro selection even
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year at the receiver position. Yeah, he finished. He finished his career

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with a Pro Bowl, two time
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yards, thirty touchdowns. You know, it's just it's interesting. There was

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a movie are they were trying to
get a movie off the ground about his

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life, called The Magician, but
it was it's one of those things that's

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kind of sort of been languishing and
development for, you know, for years

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in trying to get that thing off
the ground. He had a fascinating life.

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I mean, he was one of
the the fifteen plaintiffs and MacKiev National

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Football League in which the Roselle rule
was declared violation that he trust rolls is

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Back in seventy five, he moved
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He had a problem with cocaine and
then recovered after rehab and became more director

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for the boys and Girls clubs.
He's just he had a fascinating life and

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it's a shame that they can't get
that movie, that that biopic off the

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ground. I agree, because I
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I think it's a tremendous story of
a guy who broke down barriers, turned

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his life around, and really,
to this day, I've always been a

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very strong advocate for players who I
feel are underrated. And when you consider

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the success he had a quarterback in
really somewhat unprecedented circumstances, and then the

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success he had in Buffalo and the
success he had winning two Super Bowls with

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the Dolphins in that undefeated nineteen seventy
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two to nothing blowout against the Patriots, caught four passes for one hundred and

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twenty eight yards and two touchdowns.
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Miami. He definitely contributed to winning
those championships. Yeah, it's fascinating to

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me because it's i mean, the
magnitude of what he did and was able

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to accomplish, you know, he
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when he got, you know,

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the tap to come in for yeah, to come into play quarterback. It

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would be it's similar to like the
Kendall hitting thing, except if Kendle Hitton

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had gone on to ball out.
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definitely similar parallels there to be had, and I think, and for whatever

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reason, the number seventeen is the
stat then that really sticks out to me

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to have tied Jon Namath and Len
Dawson truly at the peak of their power.

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Namith would go on to win the
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the Baltimore Colts, and Len Dawson
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the following season to produce an equal
amount of touchdowns to quarterbacks who are Hall

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of famers playing at the peak of
their power, surrounded by Hall of Fame

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talent when you're stuck on a Broncos
team that hadn't quite found its footing yet,

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it's impossible for me to overstate just
how impressive that was for a rookie

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quarterback. I'm going to do that
that number fourteen, Yeah, impressive,

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Yeah, it's fascinating and talking about
these numbers. I want to get to

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the rookie touchdown passing record that he
holds. Talking with Ryan Michael d Ryan

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Michael on Twitter, fourteen passing touchdowns
is a rookie passing touchdown number that still

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stands to this day. Part of
that is bolstered by the fact that the

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Broncos haven't had a whole lot of
rookies playing for them since then. You

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look at you know, John Always
rookie year, only threw seven touchdowns,

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Jay cutlerly played five games, Drew
Lock only played what four or five games,

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Trevor Senming only played one game his
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he had eighteen touchdowns in his first
starting season. Brockdon plays rookie year,

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Paxton barely played his rookie year.
Boonix looks like he has the best shot

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to break Marlin Brisco's record. I
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whether he starts week one or we
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around week three or week four,
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a reality. And you know,
it's one of those records that is eventually

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going to fall. But I assure
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the biggest campaign manager for pone Hicks, I think if he throws for fourteen

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or more touchdown passes, he's certainly
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in total touchdowns. That would be
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put up Patrick Mahomes numbers today.
So I'm rooting for him to break the

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number fourteen. But let's just keep
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Fererra Well, yeah, obviously,
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that doesn't want him to break it, you know, I mean, yeah,

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I do want to see the Broncos
succeed, all the cast up on

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succeed, blah blah blah. But
there's a part of me that nostalgia where

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there's a record that you don't want
to see falls. Is there any other

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record that you can think of that
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fall. That's a really good question, because there are so many records.

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If we're talking specifically in Broncos history, part of me would say I never

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want to see someone throw for more
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But you know, being a Bronco
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be disappointed a Phoni fifty six.
I think records are meant to be broken,

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and for me, as someone who
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history, as long as you're adjusting
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the lens of what they were at
the time when they're achieved, there's no

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need to feel threatened by having a
record be broken. It's all relatives.

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Yeah, I think most of the
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broken would would would would harken from
another sport, you know, like cal

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Rinkin's Lodgevity streak in baseball, which
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believe that will ever be broken.
Nolan Ryan has several of them, you

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know, the leading the league in
strikeouts eleven times. I sincerely doubt anyone

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will ever be able to do that
ever. Again, those those kinds of

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things stand to me is nostalgic of
my youth type records that I just don't

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want to see broken. I'm right
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that we have any any reason to
be concerned about them being broken in our

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lifetime. Even so, I think
those are there to stay. Football records

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a little bit more malleable. We
tend to see them broken more often than

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a lot of Major League Baseball's top
records. But nevertheless, even if you

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look to a number of the career
marks, let's say Tom Brady broke career

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pass completion's, career passing the yards, career touchdown passes, it's really only

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two handfuls of quarterbacks since the nineteen
forties who have held those records, and

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most Hall of famers never even touched
those records. So yes, they're changing

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hands a little bit more often,
certainly the Major League Baseball, but it's

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still rarefied, air records being something
even in professional football. Don't let the

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haters tell you otherwise. Well that's
true. Five six six nights tchne.

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I think interesting to me, getting
back to the subject of football records,

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that while Peyton Manning's touchdown record was
fun, exciting and Broncos fans obviously proud

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of all that, to me,
the record that had the most sizzle that

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you were sort of watching multiple times
over the years as people got close to

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it, it had more accepted.
It was almost the home run record in

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baseball. He's the season rushing yard
record, which has stood since nineteen eighty

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four. Twe hundred five yards Eric
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have see Adrian Peterson come close.
He got within was it like eight yards?

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I think it was. We saw
Jamal Lewis get close. He was

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within one hundred yards. Barry Sanders
got close. Derrick Henry got close in

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twenty twenty. I think he had
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seven yards something like that. TD
of course got close in ninety eight.

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I remember Chris Johnson. So for
me, and it's funny because we use

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back by committee now, so that's
it's probably even more out of reach.

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But that one has had more sizzle
to me. And I don't know why.

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I don't know why the single season
rushing yard has been the one that

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I kind of if there's anybody ever
close, all of a sudden, I

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perk up. I would assume it's
because it's a record that hasn't been challenged

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as often as a number of the
passing records. And you know, the

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NFL season has expanded from fourteen to
sixteen to seventeen, So when O.

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J. Simpson rushed for two thousand
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he averaged one hundred and forty three
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to this day still the NFL record. Just punching numbers real quick in a

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seventeen game season, that would be
two thousand, four hundred and thirty two

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point seven yards impossible, an impossible
number. And so he actually averaged more

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yards from scrimmage in nineteen seventy five, when he rushed for oney eight hundred

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and seventeen and was more formidable threat
through the air. I think records that

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stand for longer periods of time tend
to be more hallowed. I think that's

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human nature. So whether or not
anyone's going to break Dickerson's record, you

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know, we could wait in another
twenty years and still be having the same

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conversation when we both had gray hair. I understand the appreciation for that record

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for sure. Yeah. And would
you say both of us have gray hair.

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I'm assuming you're a friend yourself,
because the grays are creeping in for

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you know, from a and by
creeping, I mean they're here. Oh

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my goodness, talk about Ryan Michael. Let you Ryan Michael on Twitter.

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All I we gotta we gotta hit
a break here. When we come back

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on the other side, I want
to talk to you about Tom Brady's struggles

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here in devth the greatest of all
time struggled here in Denver. What lessons

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we can take from that, and
maybe if there's things that that the Denver

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Broncos can do uh with a natural
maybe built in advantage, we'll get to

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go inside the numbers then as well. You listen to Broncos Country to Night

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a second. Shout out to my
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it. You can find all Bright
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get a chance to listen to it. He's up and covering. Man.

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It's got a good little podcast.
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listen to that as well. Five
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line you want to get involved in
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in their see you there just ten
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it just means a lot of times
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the breaks and we have what seemed
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actually things going on during the break
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Michael on Twitter, Ryan Michael before
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and we wanted to talk a little
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a built in advantage here? If
so, figuring out exactly what that is

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at altitude and how do we harness
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to play against in this division.
You put some data together after we put

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the poll out there, but you
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Tom Brady struggled at mile high.
So Ryan, you got the data,

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run us through it. Yeah,
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it's a combination of altitude culture and
aggression on defense. Because we've had success

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against great Hall of Fame quarterbacks over
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defensive coordinators, so it's impossible for
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But I don't think it's any secret
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Denver. Using Tom Brady as the
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took over as the starting quarterback for
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the lost in the NFC Championship Game
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defense, Brady finished with a record
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He ended up going three and l
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it's really that two and seven that's
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his, for lack of a better
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thousand and one. It was actually
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Bowl run. They had lost to
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Primetime, but a little bit before
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to twenty and Brady threw four picks. So it started there and it really

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didn't let up all the way going
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look at the history of a quarterback
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him to be the greatest of all
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here in Denver, some of the
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five NFC Divisional loss to our guy, Nick Ferguson and the rest of the

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defense there Ferguson with the safety blitz
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interception return. You fast forward a
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Championship team. That was the game
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Peyton Manning put up four hundred yards
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winning touchdown run and overtime. That
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number one seed versus the number two
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the af Championship game, he goes
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if you consider the game loser on
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which it was a pretty rough history
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to try to carry a little bit
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we would need a lot more luck
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and he sort of had the fluid
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little more with that. But is
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there is there anything you know with
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of that that we can sort of
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why quarterbacks struggle here in Denver,
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our advantage. I would say it's
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altitude, and personnel. So under
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saw a lot of one gap penetration
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back end, and we just really
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the personnel that we have that year, Chris Harris Junior, a key to

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lead TJ. Ward von Miller to
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it allows you to be a little
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look to what Vance Joseph does and
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assembling the personnel in order to play
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and distances oftentimes of safety in the
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one, they'll cover three. But
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aggressive nager. So you bring in
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can generate pressure where we really really
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have the success certainty that we've had
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we can find a way to combine
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personnels who can really win, especially
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the perfect recipe combined with combined with
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of trouble. Yeah, and I
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a bit. Is I feel like
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is go up tempo right off the
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come out the gate, go up
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go up tempo and gass them on
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get them sucking that you know,
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and do it fast enough where they
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you on the front foot, you
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in game something that Broncos really you
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that much of in recent years.
Uh. There are other things I think

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that that you could you could do
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but that seems to be, you
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you mentioned sort of the way that
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to play defense versus what we've done
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with with Wade and with Vance.
Uh you see that that you want to

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kind of send everything that you can
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an island and play middle of the
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three high type coverages with with with
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even advanced last year, kind of
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playing quarters match. He was tight
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send the least amount of people at
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know, even coverages stuff like that, and so it's it's interesting to see.

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back to what vance Joseph wants to
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on the personnel decisions that they've made, that that is what they want to

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do. I agree, and I
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it's going to come down to personnel. We really have to take a moment

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to appreciate just how special that twenty
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nineties Yankees all star lineup of defensers, defensive players that allowed us to do

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a lot more than most teams could
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gradual process. And as I've been
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assembling through the draft and through free
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in the reality of the salary cab
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It's going to be a slow retooling. It's not something that's going to

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happen overnight. So we look back
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twenty fifteen era defense. We'd love
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either of those two things, but
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going to take some patience. I'm
confident we'll get better, but those are

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some very high expectations to live up
to. Absolutely. Talking with Ryan Michael

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v Ryan Michael on Twitter, you
talked a little bit about Tom Brady's struggles

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here at never somebody who didn't struggle
here endeavor Peyton Manning. Manning is widely

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considered one of the best quarterbacks of
all time. You you might even pause

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it that he was one of the
best, if not the best quarterback of

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all time, even though he didn't
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Brady, and I think it's interesting
to take a look back at, you

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know, what Tom Brady and Peyton
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it's interesting to note that there was
an article out today or yesterday as it

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were, a six thousand word opus
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Player of the Year award was actually
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this guy who wrote this article,
complete with tape and everything else. They

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were cooking the books on the stats. He evered something like four steals and

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two blocks a game at home and
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and they were cooking the books for
Michael Jordan while and nobody I guess

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caught it or whatever. He wound
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As we look at these numbers,
as we look at what they were able

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to do in their career, why
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Brady. I would say that when
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greatest of all time is, what
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of the debate having two different conversations
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down to what one's criteria is.
So say I'm the Manning guy in the

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scenario and you're the Brady guy.
The Brady guy is going to come to

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the debate table and say, well, Tom Brady won seven Super Bowls,

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he had the highest winning percentage of
any start quarterback in NFL history. He

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has all of the volume records in
terms of career completions, passing yards,

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and touchdown passes. That's a close
case, especially if championship rings are the

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best measure for greatness. Because he
has seven. Auto Graham also had seven,

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but in terms of the modern Super
Bowl era, nobody else has more

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than four. And I would say
that if that were a good criteria,

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I don't think there is a discussion
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or number three if that were a
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conversation with a Manning guy who will
say, well, Manning is a five

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time League MVP, more than anybody
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All Pro selection, so in the
modern Super Bowl era, and nobody else

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has more than four. Aaron Rodgers
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including Brady, has three. Manning
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time touchdown pass record at the age
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until the age of forty three.
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at the eight to thirty nine.
Brady had to play until age forty four

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to break that record, And so
what you're having is a debate with two

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completely different criteria. So what I
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Brady as the greatest of all time, and if you're going to start that

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debate with team wins in Super Bowl
rings, use that own criteria against Brady

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himself, because I'd make the argument
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were all non championship winning seasons.
Two thousand and seven, far and away

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not only the greatest year of his
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seasons in the history of American sports. Twenty ten. League MVP through thirty

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six touchdowns to only four picks in
twenty ten. Nowadays it stuff to have

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single digit interception totals if you're playing
sixteen games. Come through four in a

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sixteen game schedule almost fifteen years ago. League MVP again in twenty seventeen and

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had some incredibly underrated years that are
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twelve was a tremendous season. Two
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season. I made the argument in
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AFC Championship game, he should have
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greatest years of Tom's career are the
years that he didn't win championships, then

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how is championships the best argument to
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all time? Because you might love
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He's an easy guy to love.
He's an easy guy to root for.

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But if you're going to acknowledge him
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what you're doing unintentionally, that is
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The man played over twenty years.
So when you adjust statistics for Eric,

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we're just talking, certainly from a
statistical standpoint. Hayden Manning and Tom

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Brady both retired as the all time
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you look at the actual adjustment Carra. When Peyton Manning was a twenty two

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year old rookie, he finished fifth
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Kit would have been thirty seven touchdown
passes during the last sixteen game season

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in NFL history. Twenty twenty,
he was third in the NFL, number

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one in the AfD and pass yards
with three thousand, seven hundred and thirty

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nine yards. That would have been
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have been four thousand, six hundred
and thirty three yards. Then you adjust

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for the fact that they actually did
play a considerable amount of time in different

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eras a lot of people. You
know, there's obviously the overlap from the

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head to head matchups, but people
forget Peyton started fifty games before Tom made

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his first start, and Tom started
one hundred and twenty seven games, to

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his credit, the greatest quarterback by
measure of longevity, far and away after

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Manning retired. That's a one hundred
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that basically takes away from Manning's numbers
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we're talking from an efficiency standpoint,
And despite that one hundred and seventy seven

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interception percentage, so he had a
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to average touchdown pass percentage, more
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So by every measure, Peyton and
a top Tom Brady. And that's

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even without factoring in one hundred and
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Brady was and always will be the
Goats. I guess we'll have to reload

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that argument and give you another chance
to break that down at some point.

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What does Sean Payton have to gain
this season? We know Sean Payton came

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back because he loves coaching, but
he also came back because Sean Payton wants

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the Hall of Fame, and he
knew he was not getting the Hall of

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Fame unless he did something significant with
another football team without Drew Brees. It's

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similar to the Belichick Brady sort of
thing, you know. And so Sean

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Payton has an opportunity to come in
here to Denver. He's trying to do

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something no other head coach has ever
done, and that's win a Super Bowl

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with two different teams. But what
is it that Sean Payton has to gain

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here in Denver? Ironically, then
I think that Sean Payton has found himself

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in almost the exact same situation that
Russell Wilson has found himself, in the

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sense that if Russell Wilson had,
for whatever reason retired as a Seattle Seahawk,

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he would have put together a decade
of dominance that very few players in

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all of NFL history could compete with, and in my view, he would

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have been a first ballot Hall of
Famer. The fact that he came to

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Denver struggled tremendously in twenty twenty two
was a lot better than given credit for.

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But people are still going to focus
on the win loss record from twenty

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twenty three. Now people are saying
it's to make it or break it.

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In terms of his performance in Pittsburgh, I put him in the Hall of

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Fame regardless. He's a top twenty
five all time quarterback. I don't think

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there's anything he can do to take
away from that. But that's a very

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comparable situation to what Sean Payton finds
himself in, where if he had just

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retired along with Drew Brees, he
would have gone down as one of the

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greatest offensive geniuses of all time.
I believe he put together nine seasons where

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the offense ranked top five in scoring. Two of them led the league in

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New Orleans. That's as perfect as
a head coach of resume as you could

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ever ask for, at least from
an offensive perspective. But the issue is

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he hung in there after Drew Brees
retired. He came over to Denver eight

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and nine last year, and I'll
defend him in so much as to say

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that it could be a lot worse
than eight and nine. Bronco's country has

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felt greater pain than eight and nine, But it's not the standard that we're

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hoping for because the combination of Russell
Wilson Sean Paigon, we were hoping for

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a Super Bowl. Now were in
a little bit of a different scenario.

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If he wins a Super Bowl with
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Will be a first Hall of Famer
realistically, being able to be the

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first person in all of history to
win a Super Bowl of the second team.

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It's not likely, but I'll tell
you this. If he helps rebuild

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Denver into a competitive, double digit
winning playoff contending team, and if he's

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able to develop Bo Nicks into a
Pro Bowl caliber When I say Pro Bowl

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caliber, I mean top three in
the conference, not the game itself,

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no game anymore. But if he's
able to help bow Knicks become that poor

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man's Drew Brees that I refer to
him with affection, I think that that

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makes a very compelling case for him
in the Pro Football Hall of Fame.

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If things go in a different direction, you may also see his chances for

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inductions to the Pro Football Hall of
Fame become more of a struggle than they

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would have been otherwise. Ryan,
we always appreciate the time at the Ryan

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Michael on Twitter. Look forward to
catching up with you again next week.

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Brother sounds good Man, appreciate having
me on take Care