WEBVTT 1 00:00:03.399 --> 00:00:08.160 Deborah, with her thirty years of being an entrepreneur and creating over seven companies, 2 00:00:08.359 --> 00:00:12.119 knows exactly what it means to accept the mission. When you make that 3 00:00:12.160 --> 00:00:16.359 decision, when you accept the mission to become a solopreneur, to take yourself 4 00:00:16.359 --> 00:00:20.239 and your talents to market, then you embrace a life of not only unlimited 5 00:00:20.280 --> 00:00:25.280 possibilities, but also the unknown. It's an elixir of fear and bravery that 6 00:00:25.399 --> 00:00:30.440 only someone who's taken the leap really understands. On our show, deb digs 7 00:00:30.519 --> 00:00:34.399 deep with her guests to highlight what you the listener wants to know, the 8 00:00:34.520 --> 00:00:39.359 stories, the wise and the hows to navigate the journey to success. Get 9 00:00:39.359 --> 00:00:43.640 ready to hear from some of the most incredible mission takers from Generation Z to 10 00:00:43.759 --> 00:00:47.479 boomers. So sit up, perk up, and get ready to be blown 11 00:00:47.520 --> 00:00:54.679 away. Now Here is your host, Deborah Drummond. Welcome bath amazing audience. 12 00:00:55.320 --> 00:00:59.759 Seriously, if you accidentally went will accept it. I wonder what this 13 00:00:59.799 --> 00:01:03.479 is bout. You are in for a treat. If you're here, you're 14 00:01:03.479 --> 00:01:06.840 meant to be here, and you know people that are meant to listen to 15 00:01:06.879 --> 00:01:11.480 this interview. Once we go through this interview with delipping well, I am 16 00:01:11.719 --> 00:01:14.519 no, I don't know. I want to I'm so excited. I'm not 17 00:01:14.680 --> 00:01:19.599 excited. I'm honored. This is a woman of great respect in her craft 18 00:01:19.640 --> 00:01:23.359 and otherwise, and you need to pass this on now. You guys know 19 00:01:23.640 --> 00:01:27.359 that I think you're the best audience. Even when people have podcasts, you 20 00:01:27.400 --> 00:01:30.640 know they're sitting as my guests, I still say you guys are the best 21 00:01:30.680 --> 00:01:34.879 audience. Then I always give you something else. Well, I'm telling you 22 00:01:34.000 --> 00:01:40.799 guys are rock stars today, you are frigging rock stars. And if you've 23 00:01:40.840 --> 00:01:44.640 just shown up again, what we do here is we talk about the mission, 24 00:01:44.920 --> 00:01:49.599 why people take it, why they stay, which is sometimes more important. 25 00:01:49.719 --> 00:01:53.599 Why these stay. Is there something in you that makes you want to 26 00:01:53.640 --> 00:01:57.400 try something on the side full time, completely change your life. Is there's 27 00:01:57.519 --> 00:02:00.159 a mission inside that you're kind of like, I don't know, I don't 28 00:02:00.159 --> 00:02:02.560 know. I don't know. I don't know, because sometimes we get forced 29 00:02:02.560 --> 00:02:07.360 into our mission and sometimes it's a choice. We have D Lipping Well with 30 00:02:07.439 --> 00:02:13.599 us today. And if you don't know D, then you don't know music. 31 00:02:14.680 --> 00:02:21.360 Because this moment is taking more pictures of the most iconic, iconic rock 32 00:02:21.400 --> 00:02:23.840 and roll musicians. I've ever seen. I mean, I'm looking at the 33 00:02:23.879 --> 00:02:29.360 front of her magazine or her book here not magazine, and you've got Ted 34 00:02:29.479 --> 00:02:34.319 Nugent going to town, and you've got everyone in here, You've got Stevie 35 00:02:34.400 --> 00:02:38.879 nixt You've got oh my gosh, look at everybody in here. You've got 36 00:02:38.919 --> 00:02:42.599 to Sting, You've got I mean, I mean, you know what, 37 00:02:42.680 --> 00:02:46.000 I'm gonna let you tell people everyone that's in here. But it just goes 38 00:02:46.000 --> 00:02:47.479 on and on and on. I've been looking at these books because look at 39 00:02:47.520 --> 00:02:54.159 there's one, and then there's two, and then there's three. I mean, 40 00:02:54.680 --> 00:03:00.680 it is incredible. So Missy lipping Well, thank you for joining us 41 00:03:00.719 --> 00:03:07.159 today on mission acceptance. Thank you for having me absolutely four decades, four 42 00:03:07.199 --> 00:03:15.680 decades almost fine, who's counting? Who's There's gonna be lots of There's gonna 43 00:03:15.680 --> 00:03:19.759 be lots of books here. Oh, there's gonna be so many books. 44 00:03:19.759 --> 00:03:27.240 Wow. And of course Bublet, Olivia Newton, John Wow, clay A 45 00:03:27.400 --> 00:03:35.800 camm Okay, Selean Dion. I'll look at that nineteen okay. So clearly 46 00:03:35.919 --> 00:03:42.319 you've had a life of photography. Yes, I have started it out as 47 00:03:42.759 --> 00:03:50.199 just a hobby for my own personal use satisfaction memories and then just evolved and 48 00:03:50.360 --> 00:03:53.560 just had people behind me, you know, saying, go go for it, 49 00:03:53.599 --> 00:03:55.840 go for it, you have a no go for it, go for 50 00:03:55.919 --> 00:04:05.400 it, and trous and tribulations. I did enjoy it and it aroused something 51 00:04:05.439 --> 00:04:11.000 in me. It made me excited. I was working in the medical field, 52 00:04:11.199 --> 00:04:15.439 and which you know it was. You know, I have an arthritic 53 00:04:15.520 --> 00:04:24.639 finger because of it, I think, right right, but it's it's it 54 00:04:24.800 --> 00:04:28.480 just took on a life of its own. Let's just say that, and 55 00:04:28.639 --> 00:04:31.399 you know what I think, Yeah, yeah, I like to encapsulate that 56 00:04:31.439 --> 00:04:34.439 a little bit because I just said, sometimes you're at the back of the 57 00:04:34.480 --> 00:04:39.120 wall. Sometimes you need to make a leap into another career because you know 58 00:04:39.279 --> 00:04:43.279 your company has been taken over by another company or what have you. And 59 00:04:43.319 --> 00:04:49.879 then there's the passion hobby that grows and grows and grows as you grow and 60 00:04:49.920 --> 00:04:54.439 grow and grow, and it's almost like something that you have to do, 61 00:04:55.120 --> 00:04:59.040 you know, whether it's a hobby with it's And then there's many times where 62 00:04:59.160 --> 00:05:01.879 something that starts, people are like, could I could, like I really 63 00:05:01.959 --> 00:05:06.519 make a living out of doing this, and many situations it's other people going, 64 00:05:06.600 --> 00:05:11.759 oh my gosh, you paint amazing, or oh my gosh, no 65 00:05:11.839 --> 00:05:15.839 one bakes bread like you, or oh my gosh, like look at the 66 00:05:15.879 --> 00:05:19.079 clothes that you make for yourself, you should be making those for other people. 67 00:05:19.240 --> 00:05:23.720 Right. What was the turning point for you? When did you go, 68 00:05:23.959 --> 00:05:29.040 m I'm going to do this. I think after I think after my 69 00:05:29.199 --> 00:05:32.959 very first show, and it wasn't actually a show, it was just a 70 00:05:33.959 --> 00:05:39.759 I walked into a I walked into a record store and they had a Paint 71 00:05:39.800 --> 00:05:43.120 Fluid concert, which I had been at because I went with my brother and 72 00:05:43.160 --> 00:05:46.519 i'd have him to take my camera and I had bored a five hundred millimeter 73 00:05:46.639 --> 00:05:51.519 lens which I could not hold, so I getting my brother to hold the 74 00:05:51.600 --> 00:05:55.839 lens up. I'm trying to shoot this band. And I knew of the 75 00:05:55.839 --> 00:06:00.879 band right because he had turned me onto them. But I took off my 76 00:06:00.240 --> 00:06:04.680 took off my five hundred millimeter, put on my regular went down shot the 77 00:06:04.720 --> 00:06:12.000 show, and then those pictures were awesome. I don't know, it was 78 00:06:12.040 --> 00:06:15.160 like it was my third eye. And I walked into this record store and 79 00:06:15.199 --> 00:06:20.199 they had a display of Floyd concert photos and I gaffawed. I went up. 80 00:06:23.720 --> 00:06:26.279 You know, if you're going to do a display. Make sure that 81 00:06:26.319 --> 00:06:31.079 you got good pictures. And of course the manager said, I suppose you 82 00:06:31.120 --> 00:06:33.639 have better and I said, I suppose I do. He said, well, 83 00:06:33.639 --> 00:06:38.360 if you do, you know, bring them in. And I raced 84 00:06:38.399 --> 00:06:44.279 home and I'm fifteen minutes later. I was back and I had the package 85 00:06:44.360 --> 00:06:47.240 of like five by seven color pictures and he's leaving through them and he go, 86 00:06:47.680 --> 00:06:49.920 you took these? And I went yeah. He goes, what's your 87 00:06:49.959 --> 00:06:54.120 name? And I told me, goes, is that your like stage name 88 00:06:54.240 --> 00:06:59.519 or your photographer's name. No, that's my name. And he said, 89 00:06:59.560 --> 00:07:01.600 do you mind if I put these on display? I said no. He 90 00:07:01.680 --> 00:07:04.800 said yeah, Well he got his girl to type out, you know, 91 00:07:04.920 --> 00:07:12.959 on the fax machine or something delipping well, and he the poor other photographer, 92 00:07:12.959 --> 00:07:15.720 I don't know who it was, but he took all his pictures down 93 00:07:15.759 --> 00:07:18.279 because they were awful. They were like black and white blobs, white blobs 94 00:07:18.319 --> 00:07:21.600 black, you know, you couldn't even see what the artist was. And 95 00:07:21.639 --> 00:07:28.720 that was my first. That was my first in lane that wow, maybe 96 00:07:28.759 --> 00:07:32.160 I've maybe this is what I was meant to do. And then just and 97 00:07:32.199 --> 00:07:35.839 that had the people behind me saying, wow, like look at these, 98 00:07:36.160 --> 00:07:39.879 you know, uh you know, people were saying, oh, look, 99 00:07:39.879 --> 00:07:44.399 I'm getting goosebubs. You've captured such a great moment. And so I just 100 00:07:44.439 --> 00:07:47.600 continued on and I practiced and I practiced, and I sat up my own 101 00:07:47.639 --> 00:07:50.600 dark room and I had already, you know, taught myself, you know, 102 00:07:50.720 --> 00:07:55.399 how to print my pictures. So I was into trees and flowers and 103 00:07:56.920 --> 00:08:01.920 you know stuff right when I when because I was always an avid concert war 104 00:08:03.639 --> 00:08:07.079 and after and I had an instematic. I didn't even have a thirty five 105 00:08:07.120 --> 00:08:15.959 millimeter I mean really, I mean it's like, well and I had I 106 00:08:16.000 --> 00:08:18.519 had, I just had no idea that I could I could do it. 107 00:08:18.639 --> 00:08:26.160 I it was it was wow, like I'm going I take the picture. 108 00:08:26.160 --> 00:08:31.240 And it were like wow, how to go to clubs? And I, 109 00:08:31.800 --> 00:08:33.519 you know, and I would be at the back or at the back wall 110 00:08:33.679 --> 00:08:39.159 or whatever and just trying to remember, you know, moves or stuff like 111 00:08:39.200 --> 00:08:43.120 this, or how I was feeling, because that's basically how I shoot, 112 00:08:43.320 --> 00:08:48.519 as I shoot with when I feel the music in here, but don't feel 113 00:08:48.559 --> 00:08:52.440 the music in here, I'm sorry, it just doesn't come across. I 114 00:08:52.480 --> 00:08:56.799 have to feel it, and when I feel it, it transcends into my 115 00:08:56.919 --> 00:09:01.080 camera somehow, and then I'm in the dark room and I see it developing 116 00:09:01.120 --> 00:09:05.480 and I go, wow, wow, I took that picture. Right, 117 00:09:07.159 --> 00:09:13.679 It was just it was love I had. I had developer fluid in my 118 00:09:13.799 --> 00:09:18.200 veins instead of blood, you know, and it was you know, I 119 00:09:18.240 --> 00:09:24.440 didn't care lack of sleep because I was working day jobs, my day job, 120 00:09:24.000 --> 00:09:28.679 and I was going out to clubs, and you know, it was 121 00:09:28.720 --> 00:09:31.759 like, well, can I get in for free? Yeah, you can 122 00:09:31.799 --> 00:09:33.919 get in for free. Yeah, I want to take some pictures. I'll 123 00:09:33.919 --> 00:09:37.159 give them to you. Right. So all the club owners they were quite 124 00:09:37.320 --> 00:09:39.120 they were quite happy to see me because I come back and I give them 125 00:09:39.120 --> 00:09:43.799 pictures of the bands playing there, right, which they really appreciated it, 126 00:09:43.879 --> 00:09:50.080 even to this day. Right, we're talking about doing a book on club 127 00:09:50.159 --> 00:09:54.639 Soda. Right, of all the pictures that I took there, but my 128 00:09:54.759 --> 00:10:01.519 club Soda, lots of people are many are club Soda. Anyway, it's 129 00:10:01.559 --> 00:10:03.639 you know, like I said, it did take on a life of its 130 00:10:03.679 --> 00:10:09.840 own, but I didn't. I wasn't sleep deprived. If I was in 131 00:10:09.879 --> 00:10:13.080 the dark room till three o'clock in the morning and having to get up at 132 00:10:13.080 --> 00:10:16.240 seven, I didn't feel sleep deprived. Because I was doing something that was 133 00:10:16.320 --> 00:10:22.840 exciting. It was like every time that picture, that image emerged, it 134 00:10:22.879 --> 00:10:26.960 was, you know, I'd get goosebumps, right, And then teaching me 135 00:10:26.000 --> 00:10:31.000 all myself, all the dark room work too. I actually was taught through 136 00:10:31.120 --> 00:10:39.799 time life books. They had a whole series of books and I stumbled across 137 00:10:39.840 --> 00:10:41.799 these and they were just like pictures, how to do this, how to 138 00:10:41.879 --> 00:10:45.720 do that, And I just followed them to the tea and I kept all 139 00:10:45.759 --> 00:10:54.320 these notes and well that didn't work. So yeah, it was like every 140 00:10:54.440 --> 00:10:58.879 role of film I developed, I would put down you know, the temperature, 141 00:11:00.120 --> 00:11:03.039 the fluid and that, you know. I mean it was like how 142 00:11:03.080 --> 00:11:07.799 many times I agitated it per minute? And you know it was it was 143 00:11:07.840 --> 00:11:16.200 scientific as well, right, So that's that's that's how that's how it started. 144 00:11:16.240 --> 00:11:20.320 And I just continued. And when I told, when I told, 145 00:11:20.639 --> 00:11:24.600 like I had to go. I had to create work for myself. And 146 00:11:24.679 --> 00:11:28.320 I knew it was out there, but I knew most of it was taken 147 00:11:28.399 --> 00:11:33.279 up by a man. So I approached the record companies and you know, 148 00:11:33.480 --> 00:11:39.399 and I begged board stole, you know, can you can I get into 149 00:11:39.399 --> 00:11:43.200 this show? Can I get into that show? Not shooting. I mean, 150 00:11:43.240 --> 00:11:46.519 well I was shooting. I was shooting from the crowd, right, 151 00:11:48.600 --> 00:11:50.840 and you know, can I help you? Do you have any gold album 152 00:11:50.879 --> 00:11:56.759 presentations? And I went to every every record label in town right and said, 153 00:11:56.879 --> 00:12:03.519 you know, excuse me, this is me, right, this is 154 00:12:03.559 --> 00:12:07.799 my work, you know, and they said, oh yeah. So everybody 155 00:12:07.919 --> 00:12:11.039 was hiring me. And I had the job at the Georgia Strait, which 156 00:12:11.080 --> 00:12:15.080 was like five dollars a picture and you didn't get published every week, and 157 00:12:15.559 --> 00:12:18.240 you know, some months you made like fifteen dollars. So it's like, 158 00:12:18.360 --> 00:12:22.080 you know, I had to teach myself how to do wedding photography and how 159 00:12:22.120 --> 00:12:28.559 to do modeling, photography and lighting and you know, the whole, you 160 00:12:28.600 --> 00:12:33.080 know, the whole, the whole ball blacks. I was like, anyway, 161 00:12:33.399 --> 00:12:37.080 I'm I talking. No, no, you're not talking too much. 162 00:12:37.120 --> 00:12:41.039 But I think that first of all, I love Club Soda because I used 163 00:12:41.080 --> 00:12:43.000 to That was one of the clubs we had club courtesy with because I used 164 00:12:43.000 --> 00:12:46.000 to work in the clubs in beautiful Vancouver, and Club Soda, for those 165 00:12:46.000 --> 00:12:50.559 of you who don't know, it was just an incredible club in downtown Vancouver 166 00:12:50.759 --> 00:12:54.799 that did have a number of bands and it was just a great place to 167 00:12:54.840 --> 00:12:56.480 go. And I think, no, I don't think. I mean, 168 00:12:56.559 --> 00:13:01.039 I The one thing I love about your experience ants, right, because it's 169 00:13:01.080 --> 00:13:03.000 you know, it's your story, is that there is very much an organic 170 00:13:03.080 --> 00:13:09.960 flow. It had its own push, but it was like it was pushing 171 00:13:09.000 --> 00:13:13.440 you. I mean it made you go search things that I think that you 172 00:13:13.480 --> 00:13:18.799 know, some people are really really fortunate that they have that drive inside. 173 00:13:18.879 --> 00:13:22.480 But the drive makes them not tired in the morning. The drive makes them 174 00:13:22.840 --> 00:13:28.159 contact people they're afraid of. The drive makes them walk into a room when 175 00:13:28.840 --> 00:13:33.480 you know the odds are against them. And and I think that too many 176 00:13:33.519 --> 00:13:35.879 times people are in their head when it comes to entrepreneurship and they need to 177 00:13:35.879 --> 00:13:39.360 be in their body and they need to let the passion lead them, right. 178 00:13:39.559 --> 00:13:43.000 And when I hear you talk, I just hear you talk about how 179 00:13:43.000 --> 00:13:46.879 the passion led you and it led you here and it led you there and 180 00:13:46.799 --> 00:13:50.159 it kind of spoke to you. I mean it's such a I mean, 181 00:13:50.679 --> 00:13:56.360 such a creative art. And then when you were at Georgia Strate, I 182 00:13:56.399 --> 00:14:00.759 remember you sharing that story about how good you're getting five bucks picture, you 183 00:14:00.799 --> 00:14:03.320 know, and you know, what does that look like, obviously that looks 184 00:14:03.360 --> 00:14:09.519 like a full time job somewhere else because you can't sustain on that and just 185 00:14:09.600 --> 00:14:13.639 trying to make your craft come alive enough to that's sustainable. When when did 186 00:14:13.679 --> 00:14:16.360 it flip? Like how long? I mean, like you said, almost 187 00:14:16.440 --> 00:14:22.200 five decades. When did your business flip over to being able to sustain you? 188 00:14:22.240 --> 00:14:28.679 It was? It took about It took about five years. What excuse 189 00:14:28.759 --> 00:14:31.879 me? It took about five years of me working my day job, going 190 00:14:31.919 --> 00:14:37.679 out working for the record companies and working for promoters around town. And I 191 00:14:37.720 --> 00:14:41.840 worked hard. But I went to one promoter and I said, you know, 192 00:14:41.000 --> 00:14:45.960 I'm thinking about quitting my day job because I think I've got it so 193 00:14:46.120 --> 00:14:52.039 now that I have enough income coming in that I can that I can handle 194 00:14:52.120 --> 00:14:56.799 it. And he laughed at me and he said, I guess you didn't 195 00:14:56.799 --> 00:15:01.600 know me very well, because he said, I, you're not going to 196 00:15:01.679 --> 00:15:07.600 make a living from shooting road bands. The musicians don't want them, and 197 00:15:07.639 --> 00:15:09.759 the promoters are to get them from the van managers, and you're not going 198 00:15:09.840 --> 00:15:16.919 to make a living from it. And I said, watch me, watch 199 00:15:18.000 --> 00:15:20.720 me. Don't say that I can't do something. What are you talking about? 200 00:15:22.399 --> 00:15:24.399 Right? Yeah, yeah, I can do this, and he just 201 00:15:24.559 --> 00:15:28.480 she went and you into this day he sees me and he shakes his head 202 00:15:30.120 --> 00:15:33.960 and oh, I knew you could do it all along day. I was 203 00:15:33.000 --> 00:15:41.039 just bullierously, right, right, sure, sure, sure, Oh my 204 00:15:41.120 --> 00:15:43.039 gosh. Well, look, I know that you have a lot of stories 205 00:15:43.080 --> 00:15:46.799 inside and a lot of incredible moments. Is there is there anything that you 206 00:15:46.840 --> 00:15:52.080 know? I'm sure there's a flood of incredible moments, but can you share 207 00:15:52.120 --> 00:15:54.480 with us, uh, some moments that like made it all? Were you 208 00:15:54.480 --> 00:15:58.799 know, has made it all worth it? Or was he was really fulfilling 209 00:15:58.840 --> 00:16:02.159 to you or I'm kind of a magical moment while you were doing your work. 210 00:16:02.840 --> 00:16:07.600 Well, when Tina Turner requested that I do her book to her press 211 00:16:07.639 --> 00:16:17.720 in Vancouver, that was pretty much jaw dropping, right, you know, 212 00:16:17.919 --> 00:16:22.759 asking for me personally, Well, she didn't actually ask for d lipping. 213 00:16:22.759 --> 00:16:27.000 Well, she asked for that photographer who did the album thing, who did 214 00:16:27.039 --> 00:16:30.240 all the interviews to the on thing, you know, the one with the 215 00:16:30.320 --> 00:16:37.080 great legs. A nice job, Tina, nice job. And and of 216 00:16:37.120 --> 00:16:45.360 course the record rat went, oh that's d wow. So that so yeah, 217 00:16:45.399 --> 00:16:48.720 and then and then when we actually we did all the interviews and I 218 00:16:48.759 --> 00:16:52.200 did with her, and she was she she walked into the hotel room where 219 00:16:52.240 --> 00:16:56.559 we were doing them, and she said, oh, I'm so glad they 220 00:16:56.600 --> 00:17:00.559 found you. And I looked at her and I went, you're wearing pants. 221 00:17:02.320 --> 00:17:07.400 We're supposed to have our legs a picture of our lay. She said, 222 00:17:07.400 --> 00:17:11.839 oh, you have much better legs than me, Darling, which wasn't 223 00:17:11.920 --> 00:17:18.680 true. Oh my gosh. I mean yeah, she but you know, 224 00:17:18.799 --> 00:17:25.640 she's actually one of the only artists that shushed me, right, you know, 225 00:17:26.039 --> 00:17:30.759 that's enough. It's you know on David Bowie his his he did that 226 00:17:30.799 --> 00:17:36.480 too to me. He shished me. But Tina went, that's enough. 227 00:17:36.960 --> 00:17:41.759 Because I was. I was so excited. This was when she released one 228 00:17:41.799 --> 00:17:45.440 of her albums and she was here and she wasn't doing a tour anywhere, 229 00:17:45.559 --> 00:17:48.359 and she was doing all these interviews. And they rented this space in in 230 00:17:49.920 --> 00:17:56.759 False Creek before it was even you know, it was like an old warehouse 231 00:17:57.160 --> 00:18:02.200 and they get it all out and for the first interview, I think it 232 00:18:02.240 --> 00:18:07.160 was Terry David and Multigan was interviewing her, and I was just like click 233 00:18:07.200 --> 00:18:11.519 click click, click, click, click click right, and she she she 234 00:18:11.960 --> 00:18:15.799 put her hand on Terry's arm and much music, right, she said, 235 00:18:17.599 --> 00:18:23.279 And she looked at me with that's enough, say, I think you've got 236 00:18:23.359 --> 00:18:32.440 it so so and I was like, oh, sheepish, I was sheepish. 237 00:18:32.640 --> 00:18:36.359 There you got it. Then she questioned you, yeah, yeah, 238 00:18:36.880 --> 00:18:41.319 wow. Do you have any other stories of people that you took that there 239 00:18:41.359 --> 00:18:48.240 was a special moment there for you or well, I worked I worked for 240 00:18:48.279 --> 00:18:55.200 many, many, many many years with Lnjoon baldry h. So you know, 241 00:18:55.319 --> 00:19:00.119 the whole the Rod Stewart and that whole thing pretty special to me. 242 00:19:02.799 --> 00:19:07.759 You know. It's this the stories are. You have to read the stories. 243 00:19:07.720 --> 00:19:15.400 You have to read the stories because the stories are things that actually happened 244 00:19:15.440 --> 00:19:18.279 to me, and I'm telling it like it was and I can take you 245 00:19:18.319 --> 00:19:22.839 there. And one of the things that people say about, you know, 246 00:19:22.880 --> 00:19:25.680 the stories in the book is I was at that concert. I think I 247 00:19:25.680 --> 00:19:27.960 saw you shooting in the pit, or you know, Alice Cooper fell on 248 00:19:29.000 --> 00:19:33.759 me, d are you all right? You know it's famous, it's famous. 249 00:19:34.000 --> 00:19:38.680 Is Alice Cooper falling off the stage in Vancouver is a famous story and 250 00:19:40.359 --> 00:19:45.039 a lot of people know that he fell on me, right, I was 251 00:19:45.119 --> 00:19:49.759 okay, yeah, but they made me sign a waiver saying that if you 252 00:19:49.839 --> 00:19:57.039 fell off the stage again and fell on me, that I wouldn't There's a 253 00:19:57.119 --> 00:20:02.759 prime example of when you're building a business, you don't know what you don't 254 00:20:02.799 --> 00:20:04.519 know until it happens. You're like, okay, we didn't know we would 255 00:20:04.559 --> 00:20:11.279 have to do a stage falling contract NDA. You know. Well, Sting 256 00:20:11.400 --> 00:20:15.880 thought I was stalking him because I met him in the lobby with my book, 257 00:20:17.119 --> 00:20:21.559 my first book, and it was like, did he think that we 258 00:20:21.559 --> 00:20:23.480 were stupid in Vancouver, that we wouldn't know where he would be stayed? 259 00:20:25.000 --> 00:20:30.680 I mean, hello, But he came down really hard on the on the 260 00:20:30.720 --> 00:20:34.359 record rep. She's stalking me. This is the third time that I've seen 261 00:20:34.359 --> 00:20:38.319 her. Well, I was doing the I was doing shoot for the photography 262 00:20:38.359 --> 00:20:41.960 for the record companies. Of course he saw me before, but that was 263 00:20:42.319 --> 00:20:45.960 stalking. I don't think so. And he was in my book, right, 264 00:20:47.160 --> 00:20:48.519 He did sign the book. He did sign the book, though, 265 00:20:48.960 --> 00:20:52.119 you know, and I think, you know, it's sort of an apology 266 00:20:52.200 --> 00:20:56.119 to me, even yeah, you know, I mean, there's there's so 267 00:20:56.359 --> 00:21:03.160 well the stories in the book just show that you can you can be successful, 268 00:21:03.599 --> 00:21:07.279 but you know, you have to be ready to accept the fact that 269 00:21:07.359 --> 00:21:11.000 you're going to have a couple of running shoes in your mouth at some moment 270 00:21:11.079 --> 00:21:14.920 in time. Right, I would do something really stupid. And most of 271 00:21:14.960 --> 00:21:18.440 the stories are funny about the stupid things that I've done. Meeting these people. 272 00:21:21.839 --> 00:21:23.920 Well, I mean you must be talking about this book here first three 273 00:21:25.000 --> 00:21:27.640 songs, no, right, yeah, I mean that's the one that's got 274 00:21:27.680 --> 00:21:33.559 all these incredible stories. I was just looking at you know, and and 275 00:21:33.680 --> 00:21:37.720 Nancy, you know you did some you did some touring with heart I did. 276 00:21:38.119 --> 00:21:42.759 I did imagine writing in a jet down to Seattle about myself. Oh 277 00:21:42.839 --> 00:21:48.119 my god, it was incredible. Right, And then we picked them up 278 00:21:48.119 --> 00:21:52.200 and see how the jet picked them up in Seattle, and Howard was deathly 279 00:21:52.279 --> 00:21:55.720 afraid of flying. We were only going to Portland, right, And you 280 00:21:55.960 --> 00:22:03.000 sat there the whole time, and and Nancy or Fabbi lists I don't. 281 00:22:04.759 --> 00:22:08.839 That was probably the first time that I was made aware of some of the 282 00:22:10.160 --> 00:22:17.319 stupidity of some of the interviewers and the people who are writers, who all 283 00:22:17.359 --> 00:22:22.319 asked exactly the same question, right and did It was obvious that they had 284 00:22:22.400 --> 00:22:26.480 only read part way down on the bio and they didn't continue right, you 285 00:22:26.480 --> 00:22:30.039 know, and Ann and Nancy were just so gracious and so kind and so 286 00:22:30.119 --> 00:22:38.039 warm and tried to defer them to actual like song making, writing, lyrics 287 00:22:38.119 --> 00:22:42.240 doing who does the music? Like you know, it was like, so 288 00:22:44.440 --> 00:22:48.559 do you think that Tom being married to two guys in the band is helpful 289 00:22:48.640 --> 00:22:56.640 to you or him or a hindrance? What what number one? What business 290 00:22:56.759 --> 00:22:59.720 is it of yours? And number two? What does that have to do 291 00:23:00.359 --> 00:23:04.680 with our songwriting skills or or the band skills as as musicians? You know? 292 00:23:06.359 --> 00:23:10.480 Yeah, yeah, anyway, I did it. Yeah, I did 293 00:23:10.480 --> 00:23:17.400 go on tours cc taal on taking Texas to the World tour. I wasn't 294 00:23:17.440 --> 00:23:22.240 allocated to where the cows were, but you know I was that was I 295 00:23:22.279 --> 00:23:26.359 had to rest for three weeks. I was only on the road for seven 296 00:23:26.480 --> 00:23:33.319 days. At the longest seven days of my life. Uh. You know, 297 00:23:33.400 --> 00:23:36.759 you go to different you go to three different cities and you don't know 298 00:23:36.799 --> 00:23:38.519 the cities, and you have to find a place that's going to develop your 299 00:23:38.559 --> 00:23:45.559 film, like in an Hour on Earth, like we're like, you know, 300 00:23:45.680 --> 00:23:48.240 so I had you know, roadies like driving me around you know, 301 00:23:48.519 --> 00:23:52.880 Dallas. I was like, oh god, where are we right? And 302 00:23:52.960 --> 00:23:57.160 CC talk, we're really really upset. When the first book came about Best 303 00:23:57.200 --> 00:24:03.759 Eating the House and they weren't in it. They were They said, d 304 00:24:03.079 --> 00:24:10.799 we took you on tour. You were our tour photographer for a week, 305 00:24:11.519 --> 00:24:14.599 right, Uh you know the management. I said, well, look, 306 00:24:15.079 --> 00:24:21.200 okay, that tour, that actual tour thing was you hired me, you 307 00:24:21.279 --> 00:24:25.160 paid me. The film was yours. I didn't even I didn't get it. 308 00:24:25.480 --> 00:24:27.480 You got it all. And the management said, well, we would 309 00:24:27.519 --> 00:24:30.640 have shown it to it. We would have given it to you if you'd 310 00:24:30.640 --> 00:24:33.319 ask, right, So I said, okay, no problems. So I 311 00:24:33.359 --> 00:24:37.000 think I wrote that story. And there's two songs anyway. They mean, 312 00:24:37.119 --> 00:24:42.200 you know it's isn't it interesting? Right? You can't make everybody happy, 313 00:24:42.319 --> 00:24:48.799 and you know it's interesting. But yes, in this one, I'm looking 314 00:24:48.839 --> 00:24:52.160 at George Michael, you know. I mean, I think the whole thing 315 00:24:52.200 --> 00:24:56.160 about reading something like this, or I getting to know the artist more, 316 00:24:56.319 --> 00:25:00.200 is that it gives you more depth to your experience with them. Know, 317 00:25:00.440 --> 00:25:03.039 like my son's nineteen and he came in the kitchen, I don't know, 318 00:25:03.200 --> 00:25:07.359 maybe six months and ago he goes, mom, I found this new band. 319 00:25:07.480 --> 00:25:08.519 I'm like, sweet you know, we're a bit of a music. 320 00:25:08.559 --> 00:25:11.839 I'm like, put it on, and he's playing it. I'm like, 321 00:25:11.039 --> 00:25:15.640 Ocean, that's the Thompson Twins. You know, that's the Thompson Twins. 322 00:25:15.720 --> 00:25:19.680 Right. And we're coming back from my daughters. We're driving back from missions, 323 00:25:19.720 --> 00:25:22.000 so it's about an hour and he's like, mom, I just found 324 00:25:22.039 --> 00:25:25.960 this music for my playlist. And I'm like, okay, and I'm expecting, 325 00:25:26.079 --> 00:25:29.319 you know, because he's he's he loves all music. But I'm I'm 326 00:25:29.359 --> 00:25:32.720 not expecting this. And he goes listen to these guys. Then he puts 327 00:25:32.720 --> 00:25:37.279 it on. It's the Bags. I'm like, Ocean, Okay, you 328 00:25:37.359 --> 00:25:40.000 know what. I think we need to tell you some things about these artists, 329 00:25:40.079 --> 00:25:41.640 right, But once you get to know the artists, like when you 330 00:25:41.680 --> 00:25:45.799 when I read the stories that you have in here, I feel more connected 331 00:25:45.880 --> 00:25:52.559 to the memories that that music gives me exactly exactly how I meant it to 332 00:25:52.559 --> 00:25:56.519 be. All along work, Yeah, yeah, I mean, this is 333 00:25:56.599 --> 00:26:03.160 this is this is historical, this is lineage. It's it's it's not it's 334 00:26:03.240 --> 00:26:06.599 not dated. It's not dated. It's not like, oh, you put 335 00:26:06.759 --> 00:26:10.559 you published this book how many years ago. They're still the stories are still 336 00:26:10.920 --> 00:26:15.119 relevant today because now we're more interested in those artists and what they were like. 337 00:26:15.279 --> 00:26:18.319 Right. I mean, I'm working on now my slides to do another 338 00:26:18.359 --> 00:26:23.240 book. It'll probably take me five years. It'll keep me busy. Uh 339 00:26:23.279 --> 00:26:29.200 you know my ask Somebody asked me what the title was going to be, 340 00:26:29.240 --> 00:26:30.759 and I said, well, I don't have a title, but after looking 341 00:26:30.799 --> 00:26:41.519 at some of these photographs, it should be rock Stars before Wrinkles. Okay, 342 00:26:41.759 --> 00:26:44.960 that's not the name of the book. It darn wells needs to be 343 00:26:45.000 --> 00:26:51.519 a T shirt in your merchandise line. I mean that's that this person is 344 00:26:51.559 --> 00:26:55.319 in marketing. And he said, boy, talk about grab attention, right, 345 00:26:55.400 --> 00:26:57.640 you know, he said a great marketing to oh yeah, rock Stars 346 00:26:57.720 --> 00:27:03.839 before Wrinkles. I said, well, I wanted it to be a little 347 00:27:03.839 --> 00:27:07.960 bit more, you know, oh not or something He was not one to 348 00:27:08.039 --> 00:27:11.279 know. Oh no, he said, no, go for it, go 349 00:27:11.400 --> 00:27:14.240 for it. So yeah, you know, I don't know if we I 350 00:27:14.240 --> 00:27:18.680 don't know if we need to grow up. You don't. You got your 351 00:27:18.759 --> 00:27:22.359 scarf around your neck, so I just think that this is incredible. So 352 00:27:22.480 --> 00:27:27.079 tell us about your scarf, because I mean, this was this was a 353 00:27:27.079 --> 00:27:30.759 long time in the making because people I couldn't get across the people that I 354 00:27:30.799 --> 00:27:37.480 wanted on a soft, silky material, and I wanted to put six photos 355 00:27:37.559 --> 00:27:41.920 on one side and six different photos on the other side at the bottom. 356 00:27:41.000 --> 00:27:47.160 They they they, these designers just couldn't get it through their head. And 357 00:27:47.759 --> 00:27:51.119 I met this wonderful woman and she said, I had made one up. 358 00:27:51.599 --> 00:27:56.880 I'd actually got the silk. I had printed up the pictures right, I 359 00:27:56.000 --> 00:28:00.799 glued them onto the silk. Okay, this is what I want. And 360 00:28:00.920 --> 00:28:03.559 she said, well, no problem. How come people haven't been able to 361 00:28:03.920 --> 00:28:11.720 I said, so we decided this material is made out of one cool back. 362 00:28:11.960 --> 00:28:18.559 Oh there you go, fantastical. Yeah, this made This material is 363 00:28:18.640 --> 00:28:23.240 really light, lightweight. It's made out of one hundred percent recycled water bottles. 364 00:28:25.240 --> 00:28:27.920 And he has all my favorite artists on Stevie Nicks, you know, 365 00:28:27.920 --> 00:28:33.920 Mick Jagger, Staying Elton, Steven Tyler, Roth Stewart on one side, 366 00:28:33.640 --> 00:28:40.440 and on the other we have Pete Townsend, we got Tom Petty, Tina 367 00:28:40.519 --> 00:28:47.640 Turner, David Bowie, who am I missing? Bruce Springsteen, Bruce Eric. 368 00:28:47.839 --> 00:28:52.759 Yeah. Yeah, and not only for women, but for men. 369 00:28:53.119 --> 00:28:59.440 I mean I've got right now, uh An artist who is wearing my scarf 370 00:28:59.519 --> 00:29:03.839 on stage. So it's like, oh, send me a photo. Yeah 371 00:29:03.960 --> 00:29:07.880 that's right now, you things, you know, I mean, I have 372 00:29:07.359 --> 00:29:14.279 I have a picture of Rod Stewart reading my book. Somebody sent me a 373 00:29:14.319 --> 00:29:18.599 picture of Rod Stewart reading my book and you you can't really see his face, 374 00:29:18.680 --> 00:29:23.000 but you know it's Rod Stewart, the hair, the port of it, 375 00:29:23.599 --> 00:29:27.880 right, but he's engrossed. And it's like, oh, so get 376 00:29:27.880 --> 00:29:30.680 an artist to wear something on stage and then I can take a picture of 377 00:29:30.720 --> 00:29:34.720 it and then I can flogged. But these are very exclusive. Yeah, 378 00:29:34.799 --> 00:29:42.519 yeah, these are exclusive. We we made we made fifty. Wow, 379 00:29:44.000 --> 00:29:51.519 yeah, we made fifty and I signed them, right, and so we 380 00:29:51.799 --> 00:29:55.559 so we don't have very many left, but we yet we have enough. 381 00:29:55.640 --> 00:29:59.359 I think we have about twenty left, right because I haven't really been flogging 382 00:29:59.400 --> 00:30:03.799 them. Yeah, no, doing other things, doing other things, living 383 00:30:03.880 --> 00:30:10.039 living life. So look as we kind of wrap up and as we come 384 00:30:10.079 --> 00:30:14.519 off our podcast going I want your life, you know the truth right, 385 00:30:14.559 --> 00:30:21.039 okay, like seriously the truth of our running your own business getting told no, 386 00:30:22.759 --> 00:30:26.559 what was what was the toughest part for you? And how did you 387 00:30:26.640 --> 00:30:29.680 overcome that? So there's a lot of people that are listening that I mean, 388 00:30:29.720 --> 00:30:32.680 and we do that right after you've been after you've kind of been in 389 00:30:32.720 --> 00:30:37.440 the sawmill for a while, I call it. People think you become not 390 00:30:37.519 --> 00:30:41.799 untouchable, but things don't affect you that you don't have. You don't have 391 00:30:41.839 --> 00:30:48.920 things. I think it was the financial the as the financial aspect of it 392 00:30:48.240 --> 00:30:55.279 that was the most difficult part because at some you know, like I didn't 393 00:30:55.519 --> 00:30:57.920 There wasn't a Okay, here's your paycheck for this week. It was like 394 00:30:59.359 --> 00:31:03.400 everything that I made it had to come in and if I couldn't make the 395 00:31:03.559 --> 00:31:04.799 rent, it was like, okay, now what am I going to do? 396 00:31:04.960 --> 00:31:08.880 Okay, Well, I have two cameras and I had a really good 397 00:31:08.920 --> 00:31:15.559 understanding with a pawnshop, and I would take one camera into the pawn shop 398 00:31:15.160 --> 00:31:18.640 and they would they would say how much do you want? I had to 399 00:31:18.680 --> 00:31:23.279 set up a you know, a rapport with of course you know I need 400 00:31:23.480 --> 00:31:26.960 I need one hundred dollars. So this was a four hundred dollar camera. 401 00:31:27.319 --> 00:31:30.440 So I need one hundred dollars and I want to only want upon it for 402 00:31:30.519 --> 00:31:34.799 ten days and then they charge you like two bucks, right, And I 403 00:31:34.839 --> 00:31:38.519 would come back, I would because I would be waiting for a check from 404 00:31:38.599 --> 00:31:42.200 A and M Records or CBS Records or whatever, and as soon as that 405 00:31:42.319 --> 00:31:45.920 check came in, then I would go and I would get my camera out. 406 00:31:45.200 --> 00:31:49.000 Well, I did this a lot, right because nothing was nothing was 407 00:31:49.079 --> 00:31:56.720 for sure, but there was no way that I was going to not do 408 00:31:56.880 --> 00:32:00.920 my not do what I was doing. Even enter my head, it was 409 00:32:00.000 --> 00:32:05.160 just like, Okay, we got this this purple patch and we'll just get 410 00:32:05.200 --> 00:32:08.759 over that and we'll just continue on. Yeah, And I think that's yeah. 411 00:32:08.799 --> 00:32:15.680 People, people should should not be afraid or be But you know, 412 00:32:15.880 --> 00:32:19.640 here's the interesting thing. Here you are right, here you are, and 413 00:32:19.680 --> 00:32:23.640 here you'll be. And I think that you know, entrepreneurship whatever that looks 414 00:32:23.680 --> 00:32:29.759 like for people, right. I Mean sometimes people think that being a musician 415 00:32:29.920 --> 00:32:32.559 or being an a photographer or being in the arts is an entrepreneurship. But 416 00:32:32.839 --> 00:32:37.920 it's an entrepreneurship. I mean, you got to sell yourself and what you 417 00:32:37.039 --> 00:32:39.640 do, right, So it's the same thing that we do in the world 418 00:32:39.640 --> 00:32:44.359 of entrepreneurship. But and then a lot of times it is you hear like 419 00:32:44.359 --> 00:32:47.960 all the money and it's hard to explain to people that there will be thin 420 00:32:49.079 --> 00:32:54.200 times, but you will get through it because that's the time that you get 421 00:32:54.240 --> 00:32:59.920 the most resourceful. Like you have resources, you just haven't had to put 422 00:33:00.039 --> 00:33:02.079 them to task because maybe you've got a paycheck, could be two weeks or 423 00:33:02.079 --> 00:33:07.039 whatever. But the funny thing is everybody still ends up standing at the end 424 00:33:07.079 --> 00:33:09.200 of the day, right, Everyone ends up standing at the end of the 425 00:33:09.279 --> 00:33:14.960 day. So I think that's when you dig deep. That's when you dig 426 00:33:15.000 --> 00:33:20.880 deep, all right. So here's something really interesting. So first of all, 427 00:33:21.200 --> 00:33:22.480 I know that in the show notes, people are going to be able 428 00:33:22.559 --> 00:33:27.519 to go to your site. You've got all your books there, you've got 429 00:33:27.559 --> 00:33:31.400 your scarps there, You've got some incredible photography to look at. And we 430 00:33:31.440 --> 00:33:37.359 do want to make sure that people understand it's dlippingwell dot c a right because 431 00:33:37.359 --> 00:33:40.079 this woman lives in Oh gosh, am I so lucky Vancouver, Canada? 432 00:33:40.359 --> 00:33:45.240 Where do I live? So that's cool and gay for me? Good decision, 433 00:33:45.200 --> 00:33:47.079 good, you know, good call on my parents, I guess. 434 00:33:47.400 --> 00:33:54.160 But one question I have for you is the same question that I ask every 435 00:33:54.279 --> 00:34:00.240 single person that comes on to the show, and it relates to my to 436 00:34:00.359 --> 00:34:04.880 music, not so much go an entrepreneurship. I don't even know how you're 437 00:34:04.880 --> 00:34:07.239 gonna answer this one, or maybe it's gonna come off super super fast. 438 00:34:07.639 --> 00:34:10.440 But my question to you is, if you're on your way to a desert 439 00:34:10.480 --> 00:34:14.719 island, that's it, you're checking out. It's there's an island, and 440 00:34:14.760 --> 00:34:19.719 there's you and one suitcase, and you have room in that suitcase for just 441 00:34:19.920 --> 00:34:23.320 one album because we know it's going to be an album. What album are 442 00:34:23.320 --> 00:34:27.719 you taking with you that you couldn't imagine not listening to for the rest of 443 00:34:27.760 --> 00:34:35.719 your days. The band that started it all, You're gonna be surprised. 444 00:34:36.280 --> 00:34:50.599 Pink Floyd, nice like a googe bumps, Pink Floyd and any anyone of 445 00:34:50.679 --> 00:34:54.719 their albums. It doesn't make any difference, Yeah, whatever, whatever, 446 00:34:54.920 --> 00:35:01.119 it's Yeah, it's it's incredible music. It's incredible music. Well, look 447 00:35:01.199 --> 00:35:08.000 worse because my first album, actually it was Frank Sinatra I'll do It my 448 00:35:08.079 --> 00:35:12.639 Way or I Did It my Way or whatever. Yeah, that was my 449 00:35:12.760 --> 00:35:15.880 first album. My second album was Bank Floyd. So well, you know, 450 00:35:16.000 --> 00:35:21.559 I gotta sayd knowing you a little bit now, I'm not that surprised 451 00:35:21.559 --> 00:35:23.960 that you are attracted to an album called I Do It My Way. I'm 452 00:35:24.000 --> 00:35:28.239 not I'm not thinking. I'm not thinking that's just too far off for you. 453 00:35:28.800 --> 00:35:32.239 I'm not thinking, you know, someone who walks into Georgia straight and 454 00:35:32.320 --> 00:35:36.039 you know Guildoff is sitting there, and you know you go and go, 455 00:35:36.079 --> 00:35:39.039 hey, you need to buy my pictures kind of thing. No, I'm 456 00:35:39.039 --> 00:35:43.559 thinking that you think that you own that. I think that it's funny. 457 00:35:43.599 --> 00:35:45.320 I just went and bought a Sammy Davis junior album not too long ago. 458 00:35:46.159 --> 00:35:53.679 Oh my heavens. Oh excellent. Yeah, I'm pretty good. No, 459 00:35:54.000 --> 00:35:58.840 but and my son wanted to buy Eddie money. Remember Eddie money? Oh 460 00:35:58.920 --> 00:36:04.320 of course. Oh yeah, two tickets to Paradise. Two tickets to Paradise. 461 00:36:07.719 --> 00:36:08.840 All right. We could go on all day, but we're gonna come 462 00:36:08.880 --> 00:36:14.119 back when you have your next book ready, and probably more before then, 463 00:36:14.119 --> 00:36:19.440 because we can't can't wait five years for it. So yeah, anything to 464 00:36:19.480 --> 00:36:25.079 say before we sign off and let these rock stars? No a that, 465 00:36:25.280 --> 00:36:29.239 Nope, nope, nope, nothing. Just go to my website. Check 466 00:36:29.239 --> 00:36:31.559 it out, you know, if you see, if you see anything you 467 00:36:31.639 --> 00:36:35.320 like, just you know, if you want to talk to me, you 468 00:36:35.320 --> 00:36:38.960 can go through my website. I can always be reached through Lippingwell at gmail 469 00:36:39.559 --> 00:36:45.800 dot com. I'm on Facebook, so you can. You know, I 470 00:36:45.280 --> 00:36:51.239 do get a lot of Facebook friend requests. Some of them I sort of 471 00:36:51.280 --> 00:36:55.519 totally ignore because they're stationed in Iraq or they're you know, in Bulgium. 472 00:36:58.760 --> 00:37:01.800 But you know, there's lots of ways to get in touch with me. 473 00:37:01.840 --> 00:37:05.559 And I don't mind talking to people, and I don't mind giving advice. 474 00:37:06.559 --> 00:37:12.000 Don't quit your day job. Don't quit your day job. So you're making 475 00:37:12.000 --> 00:37:15.400 more than five dollars a photo of people? Yeah, yeah, exactly. 476 00:37:16.239 --> 00:37:19.679 Wow. Well, thank you so much for sharing with us today. D 477 00:37:19.840 --> 00:37:22.400 And look you guys, you're incredible. I love you. You're the best 478 00:37:22.440 --> 00:37:27.639 audience ever. And now that we're talking about music a little bit, you 479 00:37:27.679 --> 00:37:30.440 guys know what I'm going to talk about next. I'm going to send you 480 00:37:30.480 --> 00:37:35.039 to dy did It Tour dot CAA. So that's the big walk that myself 481 00:37:35.159 --> 00:37:37.880 and my girlfriend Kareem are going to be trekking across Ireland to raise money for 482 00:37:37.920 --> 00:37:42.400 the music community. And look at you don't have to do the eight marathons. 483 00:37:42.639 --> 00:37:45.119 We're just asking it. You go to the donate page and this is 484 00:37:45.119 --> 00:38:13.800 what I say. I say, clear your music karma. Unity of my very