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Look, when you look at 19 00:01:42.159 --> 00:01:47.519 the NBA, I used to believe you had to have, for the most 20 00:01:47.519 --> 00:01:49.760 part, not every single draft, but for the most part, a top 21 00:01:49.920 --> 00:01:56.840 five, top eight pick. Those are your impact players. In watching a 22 00:01:56.879 --> 00:02:00.319 lot of games this year, and I never had a chance. Haven't had 23 00:02:00.319 --> 00:02:06.120 a chance to do this in the past five six years because of Colin Tigers 24 00:02:06.120 --> 00:02:10.400 baseball. You're so wrapped up in your sport that you're just on the periphery. 25 00:02:10.439 --> 00:02:14.400 Are watching the NBA and the NHL playoffs. This year, have had 26 00:02:14.400 --> 00:02:20.400 a chance to really dive into watching a lot of NBA and I notice that 27 00:02:20.560 --> 00:02:23.879 so many of these quality, high end players that we're watching right now, 28 00:02:23.960 --> 00:02:30.639 especially in the playoffs, were not top eight picks, like a two time 29 00:02:30.719 --> 00:02:35.199 MVP. If you're a two time everybody knows Nikola Jokic is one of the 30 00:02:35.240 --> 00:02:39.719 best players in the world, so saying that it's a bit of a surprise 31 00:02:40.639 --> 00:02:45.840 would be a stunner to most. I mean, he's a superstar, but 32 00:02:46.479 --> 00:02:49.479 a guy who helped lead the Nuggets to their first ever World championship. Let 33 00:02:49.520 --> 00:02:52.120 him in points and rebounds and assists in their first five opening games of the 34 00:02:52.159 --> 00:02:55.240 series against the Lakers. He just drafted in the second round. He is 35 00:02:55.280 --> 00:03:04.719 a forty first overall pick in twenty fourteen. Jalen Brunson. Look what he 36 00:03:04.759 --> 00:03:09.159 did last night. Scored forty one and grab twelve and had twelve assists. 37 00:03:09.759 --> 00:03:13.120 He is name it an All Star for the first time this year. Set 38 00:03:13.120 --> 00:03:17.159 a Knicks playoff record with forty seven points in Game four against the Sixers. 39 00:03:19.199 --> 00:03:23.879 They don't They're not the two seed without Jalen Brunson, right, would you 40 00:03:23.919 --> 00:03:27.639 agree with that? I hope. So it's a second round pick, thirty 41 00:03:27.639 --> 00:03:31.919 third overall in twenty eighteen. Are they outliers? Are they the exception to 42 00:03:32.000 --> 00:03:39.280 the rule? We're seeing more and more of it, Tyrese Maxey. He 43 00:03:39.400 --> 00:03:43.840 tied Michael Jordan for most points scored by visiting player Madison square Garden when he 44 00:03:43.840 --> 00:03:50.520 torched the next for forty six. Twenty players were picked ahead of him on 45 00:03:50.639 --> 00:03:57.120 Draft night in twenty twenty, and we're talking about a guy who joined Allen 46 00:03:57.199 --> 00:04:01.039 Iverson, Joel Embiid, Wilt Chamberlain, and Hal Greer Dana Barrows former Piston, 47 00:04:01.319 --> 00:04:04.319 as the only six Ers player to score fifty points, grab five rebounds 48 00:04:04.759 --> 00:04:08.199 or more, and dish out five assists or more in a single game. 49 00:04:11.039 --> 00:04:14.199 You're in the same conversation with Allen Iverson, Joelle and b wil Chamberlain, 50 00:04:14.240 --> 00:04:19.279 how Greer, that's pretty damn good. No offense to Dana Barrows. Have 51 00:04:19.360 --> 00:04:26.319 you watched the Boston Series at all? Derek White. Now, he's not 52 00:04:26.399 --> 00:04:30.639 an All Star. He's not named to the All NBA First team or a 53 00:04:30.680 --> 00:04:35.839 second team. He has been on the All Defensive Team. Averages fifteen points 54 00:04:35.839 --> 00:04:40.920 per game, shoots close to forty percent from three. He was a twenty 55 00:04:41.000 --> 00:04:50.439 ninth overall pick in the twenty seventeen draft. These guys have forced me to 56 00:04:50.560 --> 00:04:57.240 change my view a little bit that you can get quality later on. But 57 00:04:57.319 --> 00:05:04.839 it also reinforces how how important it truly is to have the right scouts and 58 00:05:04.879 --> 00:05:14.879 the right people making those moves. Reinforces it. See, I get caught 59 00:05:14.920 --> 00:05:17.279 up, and I'm sure a lot of other people do because the media, 60 00:05:17.560 --> 00:05:21.519 what does the media do. They promote Lebron, James Gianna, Sante Tea 61 00:05:21.560 --> 00:05:28.439 Campo, Kevin Durant. You know, I get it, Devin Booker for 62 00:05:28.480 --> 00:05:34.040 a good reason. Okay. I think it's been refreshing to see some of 63 00:05:34.079 --> 00:05:39.519 these teams. I'm rooting for some of these teams. I like Jaylen Brown 64 00:05:39.519 --> 00:05:46.040 from Boston, but he was the third overall pick. I think I like 65 00:05:46.120 --> 00:05:49.720 some of the guys who are coming out of nowhere, if you will. 66 00:05:53.040 --> 00:05:56.279 I like Donovan Mitchell a lot. I think he's a really good player. 67 00:05:58.439 --> 00:06:06.800 But the guys who are kind of under the radar, the guys who were 68 00:06:08.160 --> 00:06:12.600 are now stars, and I think that's fair to say. And a lot 69 00:06:12.639 --> 00:06:15.519 of these guys are just mentioned for for sure, as jokis for sure, 70 00:06:15.600 --> 00:06:21.120 Brunson, maybe Maxie a little bit later on. Probably not Derek White, 71 00:06:21.120 --> 00:06:26.319 but maybe he to a certain extent. He gets lost in the shuffle of 72 00:06:26.399 --> 00:06:32.240 Tatum and Brown and porzingis not Horford because he's been around a long time and 73 00:06:32.319 --> 00:06:35.480 I wouldn't call him a star any longer, but he used to be bigger 74 00:06:35.560 --> 00:06:41.279 names. How's that cool? Okay? They get lost in that, so 75 00:06:41.920 --> 00:06:46.879 maybe they are are more than just what like, especially him, maybe he's 76 00:06:46.000 --> 00:06:50.040 more than what he's showing right now. But he's perfect for them, for 77 00:06:50.160 --> 00:06:58.360 the for the Celtics. See people when those guys were drafted. I'll bet 78 00:06:58.439 --> 00:07:04.199 you most people if they even were paying attention to them getting drafted, guaranteed 79 00:07:04.240 --> 00:07:10.040 the people when Jokic was drafted there who the hell is this guy? It's 80 00:07:10.040 --> 00:07:13.639 not like he got a lot of pub coming out like Luka Doncic did, 81 00:07:14.079 --> 00:07:16.560 right, so a lot of people are probably going who the hell is this 82 00:07:16.639 --> 00:07:20.879 guy? And understandably so maybe they think, ah, he's a long shot 83 00:07:20.959 --> 00:07:25.279 to make the team, or he'll be a role player at best. How's 84 00:07:25.319 --> 00:07:33.240 that you've heard the phrase you can do anything you set your mind to. 85 00:07:33.399 --> 00:07:36.959 I mean maybe you did that or use that as a as a parent, 86 00:07:39.120 --> 00:07:45.759 or heard it as a kid, right, or you've heard the expression diamond 87 00:07:46.519 --> 00:07:51.879 in the rough. Maybe that's what these guys are. Maybe I'm reading too 88 00:07:51.959 --> 00:07:59.160 much into it, but I like it. I like to see more of 89 00:07:59.199 --> 00:08:05.959 it, and I'm hoping, and there could be some selfishness here on my 90 00:08:05.079 --> 00:08:11.319 part that the Pistons eventually are able to do something like that. But when 91 00:08:11.319 --> 00:08:16.759 you see some of these guys performing at this level and it could be system. 92 00:08:16.879 --> 00:08:20.959 There's a lot of things. Look at Pascal Siakam. He's an NBA 93 00:08:22.079 --> 00:08:31.000 champion, He's a two time All NBA performer. Toronto drafted him in twenty 94 00:08:31.040 --> 00:08:39.879 sixteen with the twenty seventh overall pick. That was the Ben Simmons draft. 95 00:08:41.679 --> 00:08:48.080 Jaylen Brown was in that same draft. You know who is taken ahead of 96 00:08:48.159 --> 00:08:52.279 him. A lot of guys you've never heard of, guys who haven't been 97 00:08:52.320 --> 00:08:58.799 played. You've heard of this guy, but Denzel Valentine was taken ahead of 98 00:08:58.840 --> 00:09:05.879 him. Who the hell's Wade Baldwin, Piston took Henry Ellenson exactly. You're 99 00:09:05.919 --> 00:09:11.320 going, wait a minute, yes, that's true. There guys taking you 100 00:09:11.840 --> 00:09:16.960 have never stepped down the NBA hardwood. But Pascal Siakam at twenty seven overall 101 00:09:16.240 --> 00:09:22.519 is one of the best players on an Indiana team that just upset in Milwaukee 102 00:09:22.039 --> 00:09:26.679 and can be a scary team to face and is one of the best offensive 103 00:09:26.799 --> 00:09:31.360 minded teams in the entire league. It's pretty cool stuff. I think it's 104 00:09:31.440 --> 00:09:33.360 just something I was thinking about last night. Get your thoughts on it on 105 00:09:33.399 --> 00:09:37.759 the Meyer Hotline eight sixty six eight three eight forty eight forty three back with 106 00:09:37.840 --> 00:09:41.200 more x'es and bros. 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Coming up later 130 00:11:43.080 --> 00:11:46.480 today at three on the Huge Show in the Michigan Sports Network, I'll deliver 131 00:11:46.600 --> 00:12:05.799 huge opinions on everything you're talking about eighteen after the hour of Welcome Back Access 132 00:12:05.799 --> 00:12:09.519 and Rose Monday through Friday six till nine across the Great State of Michigan. 133 00:12:11.279 --> 00:12:15.480 The Meyer Hotline eighty six six eight three eight forty eight forty three, eight 134 00:12:15.559 --> 00:12:20.559 sixty six, eight three, eight forty eight forty three. We remind you 135 00:12:20.639 --> 00:12:26.200 that don't have to talk about what we're discussing. Anything that might be on 136 00:12:26.240 --> 00:12:31.240 your mind, something you may have caught last night, something that just came 137 00:12:31.279 --> 00:12:35.399 to mind. Feel free give us a call. We've got some texts on 138 00:12:35.440 --> 00:12:37.720 the text line Sports Radio to twenty one thousand. I do want to get 139 00:12:37.720 --> 00:12:46.679 into the cost of hiring coaches here in a moment. But first, Ben, 140 00:12:46.639 --> 00:12:50.159 Yeah, we got from a text standpoint says if this team wants to 141 00:12:50.200 --> 00:12:54.600 build around Caid, and I don't understand why I would trade Duran and Ivy 142 00:12:54.879 --> 00:13:00.440 for a star in Morant. Ivy is okay, and Duran really is a 143 00:13:00.600 --> 00:13:05.120 nicer Drummond. Of course, his size can get dunks and thirteen rebounds. 144 00:13:05.440 --> 00:13:11.639 Morant is a star. Also draft the Connecticut Center to trio with Moran and 145 00:13:11.720 --> 00:13:18.519 Kid start there. What makes you think that Memphis would give up their star 146 00:13:20.679 --> 00:13:31.240 for during an Ivy. That's the first thing that comes to mind when you 147 00:13:31.320 --> 00:13:35.480 make up trade scenarios. There's a lot of things that have to happen. 148 00:13:37.519 --> 00:13:43.559 Contract equivalency has to happen, okay, because there is a salary cap, 149 00:13:46.120 --> 00:13:54.919 and you have to be realistic. The Memphis Grizzlies spent the second overall pick 150 00:13:54.120 --> 00:14:01.759 in the twenty nineteen draft on j Morant. He's really good. Does he 151 00:14:01.799 --> 00:14:07.840 come with some baggage? Damn right, he does. But he's really good, 152 00:14:09.080 --> 00:14:11.360 imaging twenty two and a half points per game in his career seven and 153 00:14:11.399 --> 00:14:18.159 a half assists per game in his career. Can knock down the three. 154 00:14:18.320 --> 00:14:24.480 He's averaged twenty seven, twenty six, and twenty five in each of the 155 00:14:24.559 --> 00:14:31.919 last three seasons injury problems. But you know, I want you to put 156 00:14:31.960 --> 00:14:43.320 yourself in the situation of the Memphis general manager, and you have Jaron Jackson, 157 00:14:43.919 --> 00:14:52.240 Marcus Smart, Luke Cannard, Desmond Bane, a couple of expistons, 158 00:14:54.759 --> 00:15:01.000 and J Moran, and you sit at a press conference in your home arena. 159 00:15:03.759 --> 00:15:11.559 Camera's rolling, cameras clicking, reporters ready to ask, and you announced 160 00:15:11.200 --> 00:15:20.440 we've traded J Morant, like it or not the face of your franchise for 161 00:15:20.559 --> 00:15:30.399 Jalen Duran and Jade and Ivy. I want you to think about that for 162 00:15:30.440 --> 00:15:37.399 a second and then ask yourself, would you do that? See I like 163 00:15:37.480 --> 00:15:46.879 Jalen Duran, I do. I don't look at him as an Andre Drumming 164 00:15:46.960 --> 00:15:52.120 type player. I think we get caught up saying, oh, he's Andre 165 00:15:52.200 --> 00:15:58.240 Drumming because they're both centers and they both played for the Pistons. I think 166 00:15:58.360 --> 00:16:03.559 Jalen Duran is. I don't know if he'll ever be as good a scorer 167 00:16:03.639 --> 00:16:12.720 inside as Andre Drummond or rebounder, but I think he's a very good young 168 00:16:12.759 --> 00:16:18.919 piece to this puzzle. It's not that I have anything against Jade and Ivy, 169 00:16:19.240 --> 00:16:25.440 but if somebody came to me with a package, I felt was very 170 00:16:26.279 --> 00:16:33.039 enticing and he had to be part of it. Sure. Look, they 171 00:16:33.120 --> 00:16:38.399 just set the record for fewest wins in franchise history. There there's nobody on 172 00:16:38.399 --> 00:16:41.840 this team where you go, I've got to keep this guy except for perhaps 173 00:16:41.919 --> 00:16:45.080 Kate Cunningham, and for me, it would be Jalen during everybody else, 174 00:16:45.279 --> 00:16:52.279 I'm open to trading. That would be my opinion. And let's just remind 175 00:16:52.279 --> 00:16:56.519 people that is not always a negative thing. When you're willing to trade somebody, 176 00:16:56.559 --> 00:17:03.200 that means you're a quantity or or some type of peace that you find 177 00:17:03.359 --> 00:17:08.680 value in. You can look at it as discarding a person, but I 178 00:17:08.720 --> 00:17:11.640 look at it like, Hey, you know what, I need something else. 179 00:17:11.799 --> 00:17:15.240 I have to give up something pretty damn good in order to get it. 180 00:17:18.319 --> 00:17:25.200 I'd rather keep Jalen during the Isaiah Stewart my opinion, But you would 181 00:17:25.279 --> 00:17:33.319 love to have that. Sure, Memphis isn't doing that. You've got to 182 00:17:33.400 --> 00:17:38.000 have a willing partner to trade. To me, that would make no sense 183 00:17:38.960 --> 00:17:48.599 none if you're the Memphis Grizzlies. Now, I love the fact that you're 184 00:17:48.640 --> 00:17:52.039 looking at it from a hometown aspect. Good for you. That's you know, 185 00:17:52.079 --> 00:17:57.599 that's that's definitely helping the Pistons for sure. Here here's my second question. 186 00:17:59.279 --> 00:18:07.759 What is it you don't believe in regarding Kid Cunningham? Why is that 187 00:18:10.440 --> 00:18:15.599 he's Here's the I think part of the problem with Caid Cunningham. He is 188 00:18:15.839 --> 00:18:22.000 dangerously because he was one one in twenty twenty one. He is dangerously dangerously 189 00:18:22.119 --> 00:18:30.319 close to being just labeled as a good player on a crappy team. And 190 00:18:30.640 --> 00:18:36.839 all the experienced losing you've seen with him, he's been I mean, I 191 00:18:36.880 --> 00:18:40.759 think he's for the most part, he's been pretty healthy. I mean, 192 00:18:40.799 --> 00:18:44.079 what did he play sixty two games this year? Ben sixty two out of 193 00:18:44.119 --> 00:18:49.960 eighty two he could have played more. He wasn't drastically hurt down the stretch. 194 00:18:51.000 --> 00:18:56.119 The team's just not playing him, and we're gonna play him. What 195 00:18:56.200 --> 00:18:57.680 was the point of that? You know? So they just felt like, 196 00:18:57.720 --> 00:19:04.119 forget it, We're gonna just put him in street Cills. He played sixty 197 00:19:04.119 --> 00:19:07.000 four as a freshman or as a first year player. Right, Okay, 198 00:19:07.839 --> 00:19:12.359 so he had the one injury riddled season and that was season two. Were 199 00:19:12.400 --> 00:19:22.000 only played twelve games. Because this franchise has experienced so much losing and it 200 00:19:22.039 --> 00:19:26.960 can be so frustrating, frustrating for both of us or all of us. 201 00:19:27.359 --> 00:19:33.240 He's the face of it, and I think that's what people are looking at. 202 00:19:33.359 --> 00:19:37.880 I'm not buying in. Why not, because this is what they've done 203 00:19:37.000 --> 00:19:45.160 with him. What is the when you watch him play or when you look 204 00:19:45.200 --> 00:19:52.079 at his seasons there's been three of them. What do you determine? Do 205 00:19:52.119 --> 00:19:55.319 you think he's I mean, be honest with yourself. Do you think he's 206 00:19:55.359 --> 00:20:02.839 an All Star caliber player? I would say yes. Is he going to 207 00:20:02.839 --> 00:20:08.119 be a quote end quote great player? That's a definition that varies. I 208 00:20:08.119 --> 00:20:15.319 think we use that word way too often. Who are the great players in 209 00:20:15.359 --> 00:20:19.920 the league right now? And measure him against which you think are great players 210 00:20:21.559 --> 00:20:26.440 at the same position. If you can't, do you look at him as 211 00:20:26.440 --> 00:20:29.599 a point guard? Do you look at him as a shooting guard? How 212 00:20:29.599 --> 00:20:34.319 do you see Cade Cuttingham? And I also would ask if you're if you're 213 00:20:34.359 --> 00:20:37.079 a fan, or if you're a general manager of another team, would you 214 00:20:37.240 --> 00:20:44.880 want him on your team? So let's call him. You want to call 215 00:20:44.920 --> 00:20:52.240 him a point guard? Is he better than Jalen Brunson, Deer and Fox 216 00:20:53.839 --> 00:21:00.200 Steph Curry? If he's a shooting guard, is he is good as Devin 217 00:21:00.240 --> 00:21:04.920 Booker, Anthony Edwards. The answer to that is no to all of those. 218 00:21:07.480 --> 00:21:15.440 But he's viewed as a point guard, and I think he's I think 219 00:21:15.440 --> 00:21:22.599 he's a very good point guard who could get better. You got to keep 220 00:21:22.680 --> 00:21:29.880 somebody. You got to have somebody to help steer your ship, otherwise you're 221 00:21:29.960 --> 00:21:34.279 chasing. I think he can make other players around him better and I think 222 00:21:34.319 --> 00:21:38.000 he's going to get better. But he needs help, and it's not just 223 00:21:38.119 --> 00:21:41.599 young help. Got to take a quick time out. On the other side, 224 00:21:41.759 --> 00:21:48.640 the insane amount of money going to college coaches. We'll explain after this 225 00:21:48.720 --> 00:21:52.440 on Exis and Bros. Bill Simonson here from my good friend Josh Garvey. 226 00:21:52.720 --> 00:21:56.480 Now he's a managing shareholder at Dorin may Who's Grand Rapids office. 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Huge here for Nandel Institute. 243 00:23:22.640 --> 00:23:27.119 Purple Community Now there are grassroots fundraising network powered by the volunteers who support 244 00:23:27.240 --> 00:23:33.160 viai's mission to improve health now and in the future. Learn more at Purplecommunity 245 00:23:33.640 --> 00:24:00.440 dot org. Thirty five after the hour on excos to Bros. I'm Shepherd, 246 00:24:00.519 --> 00:24:03.839 then, is our producer? Give him a shot on the Meyer hotline 247 00:24:03.839 --> 00:24:06.839 eight sixty six eight three eight forty eight forty three. What I'm about to 248 00:24:07.960 --> 00:24:18.799 share with you is it is. It's borderline depressing. Kirby Smart's a really 249 00:24:18.839 --> 00:24:22.119 good football coach. You know it and I know it and went back. 250 00:24:22.359 --> 00:24:26.319 He and the Bulldogs won back to back titles in twenty one and twenty two. 251 00:24:27.039 --> 00:24:34.759 The SEC is the hardest conference in America annually, and yet he guided 252 00:24:34.799 --> 00:24:41.200 his team to an SEC record twenty nine consecutive wins, ended up losing in 253 00:24:41.240 --> 00:24:48.079 the SEC title game a year ago to Alabama, Kirby Smart had a contract 254 00:24:49.000 --> 00:24:56.119 that paid him ten point seven million dollars a year. That's a handsome price. 255 00:24:56.640 --> 00:25:06.599 Yes, absolutely, Georgia. You can call it a commitment to athletics, 256 00:25:07.359 --> 00:25:11.759 called a commitment to Kirby Smart, a reward for a job well done. 257 00:25:11.000 --> 00:25:18.839 Although he was getting rewarded with ten point seven five million dollars, but 258 00:25:19.000 --> 00:25:25.680 the Georgia administration decided to tear that up and give him a new ten year, 259 00:25:25.720 --> 00:25:32.200 one hundred and thirty million dollar deal that was approved by officials yesterday. 260 00:25:33.319 --> 00:25:37.759 He's the highest paid football coach in the country. He's the first thirteen million 261 00:25:37.839 --> 00:25:48.440 dollar coach. Debo Sweeney makes eleven and a half million at Clemson. Lincoln 262 00:25:48.559 --> 00:25:57.759 Riley at USC makes eleven Calin de Boor went from Washington Alabama a big reason 263 00:25:57.960 --> 00:26:03.440 he makes ten points eight seven five million dollars. Steve Sarkesian at Texas ten 264 00:26:03.480 --> 00:26:11.640 point six million dollars, Mike Norvell at Florida State ten point five million dollars. 265 00:26:11.240 --> 00:26:18.079 It's a lot of flipping money. Put it in perspective. First of 266 00:26:18.119 --> 00:26:22.200 all, do you guys know who Vince Dooley is. Vince Dooley was a 267 00:26:22.319 --> 00:26:27.720 highly acclaimed coach at Georgia. Head coach at Georgia a long time ago. 268 00:26:32.359 --> 00:26:41.559 He made fifteen thousand dollars his first year, his first contract at Georgia, 269 00:26:42.319 --> 00:26:49.039 he was paid fifteen thousand dollars. He won a national championship, He had 270 00:26:49.039 --> 00:26:53.480 herschel Walker, he had Mike Bobo. Oh, never mind, but he 271 00:26:53.519 --> 00:27:00.440 had some really good players there. Fifteen thousand dollars according to him, that 272 00:27:00.519 --> 00:27:03.200 was back in the sixties, A long time ago. But has it really 273 00:27:03.240 --> 00:27:10.480 gone up that much? From fifteen thousand dollars to thirteen million per year? 274 00:27:11.799 --> 00:27:23.119 More perspective for you. Smart would be the fourth highest paid NFL coach if 275 00:27:23.119 --> 00:27:36.200 he were out there. It's lucrative to be in college athletics. Andy Reid 276 00:27:36.359 --> 00:27:41.480 this year is going to make more than eighteen million. Sean Payton in Denver 277 00:27:42.880 --> 00:27:48.000 this year is going to make eighteen million. Sean McVay of the Rams this 278 00:27:48.119 --> 00:27:56.039 year is going to make fourteen million dollars. Mike Tomlin with the Steelers this 279 00:27:56.200 --> 00:28:00.440 year is expected to make twelve and a half million dollars. John Harbaugh this 280 00:28:00.559 --> 00:28:07.799 season for the Baltimore Ravens will make twelve million dollars. Kirby Smart is getting 281 00:28:07.839 --> 00:28:15.000 more than John Harbaugh. He's getting more than Mike Tomlin. He is also 282 00:28:15.480 --> 00:28:23.319 making more than a guy like Bruce Bochie just won a World Series in Texas. 283 00:28:25.039 --> 00:28:30.880 Dave Roberts with the Dodgers LA's worth. The Dodgers are worth are reported 284 00:28:32.039 --> 00:28:41.839 three point six billion dollars and they paid their manager half, not even half 285 00:28:41.640 --> 00:28:48.960 of what the University of Georgia is paying their head football coach. We got 286 00:28:48.960 --> 00:28:55.359 done talking about the NBA a little bit ago. Somebody brought up Kate Cunningham. 287 00:28:55.519 --> 00:29:04.640 Pistons Maddie Williams makes thirteen mil, same as Kirby Smart and Monty Williams. 288 00:29:04.640 --> 00:29:11.200 The fourth highest paid NBA coach, Peter Lavely Alett led the Rangers to 289 00:29:11.319 --> 00:29:15.960 a President's Trophy most points in the league. He makes five million dollars. 290 00:29:18.759 --> 00:29:22.680 Yeah, guys. In college basketball, John Kelapari, bill self, Bill 291 00:29:22.720 --> 00:29:29.559 self makes nine million blocks. Folks, it's all public. I'm not sharing 292 00:29:29.839 --> 00:29:36.000 anything with you that you can't look up yourself. College athletics. We all 293 00:29:36.039 --> 00:29:41.160 know it's big business, but it's stories like this. And look, if 294 00:29:41.160 --> 00:29:45.559 I'm Kirby Smart, I take it too. You kidding me. Not begrudging 295 00:29:45.680 --> 00:29:49.920 him by any stretch. But you wonder why fans, first of all, 296 00:29:49.960 --> 00:29:56.880 why there's so much pressure and why there is so much expectations. Hey, 297 00:29:56.920 --> 00:30:00.279 man, athletes got to deal with it. Two, an athlete is making 298 00:30:00.319 --> 00:30:03.200 as much money as they are. We talked about this the other day. 299 00:30:03.279 --> 00:30:07.119 When they make it as much money as they are, there are expectations. 300 00:30:08.279 --> 00:30:11.880 You as a fan are paying good, hard earned money. It's a lot 301 00:30:11.920 --> 00:30:18.079 of freaking money to go to a game these days. You're driving around Rockford 302 00:30:18.160 --> 00:30:21.039 right now, you're thinking, you know what, I'm gonna save up some 303 00:30:21.079 --> 00:30:23.200 money. I'm gonna go down to the ballpark, or I'm gonna go to 304 00:30:23.200 --> 00:30:26.200 a stadium, and I'm gonna say, you know what, I want to 305 00:30:26.200 --> 00:30:27.960 go watch this team play. You're driving around in Flint. You're going, 306 00:30:29.000 --> 00:30:30.599 I'm gonna save up what I can. I'm gonna go watch the Lions one 307 00:30:30.640 --> 00:30:34.960 weekend. It's gonna cost you the I mean, it's almost like a vacation. 308 00:30:37.400 --> 00:30:42.799 It's like a weekend getaway for crying out loud, really super expensive. 309 00:30:45.559 --> 00:30:48.880 So when fans get pissed off, I get it. I think sometimes we 310 00:30:48.920 --> 00:30:52.880 can all be a little unrealistic. But when you have your hard earned money 311 00:30:53.519 --> 00:30:59.559 and things are getting more and more expensive these days with inflation, and you 312 00:30:59.599 --> 00:31:00.599 want to go. You want to be entertained, You want to see a 313 00:31:00.640 --> 00:31:03.799 win. You expect something out of a guy because he makes as much money 314 00:31:03.799 --> 00:31:11.640 as he does. You have every right to expect that. And when Kirby 315 00:31:11.640 --> 00:31:15.160 Smart doesn't do what he's supposed to do, win a national championship. When 316 00:31:15.160 --> 00:31:18.720 you make thirteen million dollars, fans are livid down in Athens. I get 317 00:31:18.759 --> 00:31:26.440 it. It comes with the territory. I get why Kentucky was upset at 318 00:31:26.799 --> 00:31:30.440 John Calipari. I get why Kansas is upset at Bill's self. And they'll 319 00:31:30.440 --> 00:31:33.759 tell you, well, you can't win every single year. No you can't. 320 00:31:33.759 --> 00:31:36.160 But you know what, you make nine million dollars, Bill. You 321 00:31:36.200 --> 00:31:40.839 make more than anybody else coaching college basketball. So when Kansas doesn't win the 322 00:31:40.839 --> 00:31:44.319 Big Twelve, when they don't reach the Final four, people are going to 323 00:31:44.359 --> 00:31:48.720 be ticked off, and they should be ticked off because that's more than anybody 324 00:31:48.720 --> 00:31:56.759 else makes. You're sending your kids to school. I got a buddy, 325 00:31:56.920 --> 00:32:00.400 his daughter goes to Georgia. Now there's a little difference situation there in Georgia. 326 00:32:00.440 --> 00:32:04.160 I mean, if you get a certain grade point average, you get 327 00:32:04.160 --> 00:32:07.359 a lot of help. Some places, it's almost free to go to school 328 00:32:07.359 --> 00:32:13.200 there. That's just the way it is there. They make George's chuck full 329 00:32:13.200 --> 00:32:16.359 of money. I guess maybe it doesn't bother him as much as it would 330 00:32:16.440 --> 00:32:24.400 bother me. But thirteen million dollars to coach college football huge business fans get 331 00:32:24.480 --> 00:32:30.640 upset, And then you wonder why so many advocate for players to get paid. 332 00:32:31.519 --> 00:32:37.759 When a man makes thirteen million dollars coaching college kids, and those college 333 00:32:37.839 --> 00:32:43.359 kids have to do what go to school? At the same time balance all 334 00:32:43.400 --> 00:32:45.599 the other things that go on in a teenager, in a young twenty year 335 00:32:45.599 --> 00:32:51.839 old's life, you can understand it. I don't necessarily agree with paying them 336 00:32:51.880 --> 00:32:55.000 per se, but it's hard to argue against it when a guy's making that 337 00:32:55.079 --> 00:33:01.599 kind of coin. Meyer Hotline eight sixty six eight three eight forty eight forty 338 00:33:01.640 --> 00:33:04.599 three. Ben, Who do we got with us? Yeah? We got 339 00:33:04.680 --> 00:33:08.279 David Hudsonville, Hi, Dave, how are you this morning? A good 340 00:33:08.359 --> 00:33:12.200 morning, chef? Yes, this is a great topic, and I'll tell 341 00:33:12.240 --> 00:33:15.680 you. I'll tell you what even here here's a frame of reference when it 342 00:33:15.680 --> 00:33:19.759 comes to our state. I grew up in the middle of our state where 343 00:33:19.799 --> 00:33:22.119 a lot of my buddies when I graduated from high school, it could go 344 00:33:22.160 --> 00:33:25.400 to Flint or Landing or Saganaw and work in the auto industry and they'd make 345 00:33:25.440 --> 00:33:28.759 a good living, you know, quality life. Man. They had a 346 00:33:28.759 --> 00:33:30.720 brand new vehicle every year, they had a cottage up north. They could 347 00:33:30.720 --> 00:33:34.400 take their family on a trip to Florida, you know. And that was 348 00:33:34.440 --> 00:33:37.359 the backbone of Michigan when Flint was thriving, when Saganaw was thriving Detroit. 349 00:33:37.960 --> 00:33:42.559 And now you look at what's happened over time those jobs. And my father 350 00:33:42.599 --> 00:33:46.319 worked in that industry for sixty some years, you know, as a supplier 351 00:33:46.319 --> 00:33:49.640 to the auto industry. But all of a sudden, what happens with that 352 00:33:49.839 --> 00:33:53.839 is the jobs went south, and then the jobs went to Mexico, and 353 00:33:53.839 --> 00:33:58.400 then the jobs went overseas. And you can look at the plight of Michigan 354 00:33:58.480 --> 00:34:00.839 over that time, you know, and so forth. And it's also but 355 00:34:00.960 --> 00:34:06.759 look at CEO pay and look at the differences that have happened in that compared 356 00:34:06.759 --> 00:34:08.400 to the worker. And then all of a sudden, look at what we 357 00:34:08.480 --> 00:34:12.960 do now with athletics and some of this stuff, you know, I mean, 358 00:34:13.239 --> 00:34:16.000 it's amazing what people get paid for for what they adore, and these 359 00:34:16.039 --> 00:34:20.280 salaries that go crazy and then all of a sudden, is it a good 360 00:34:20.360 --> 00:34:22.199 you know? I mean if you look even at the universities, you know 361 00:34:22.320 --> 00:34:28.480 has has what Tom Izzo gets paid helped Robin Freelick, you know, in 362 00:34:28.519 --> 00:34:30.960 women's basketball. But then if you look across the board at other sports, 363 00:34:31.199 --> 00:34:35.159 they're getting paid a pittance, you know what I mean, Because it's not 364 00:34:35.280 --> 00:34:37.320 oys, and it's not what people tend to care about. So I think 365 00:34:37.320 --> 00:34:42.599 it's also a societal issue, and I think it's something that probably frustrates a 366 00:34:42.599 --> 00:34:46.159 lot of people in the sense that, you know, it's hard as jobs 367 00:34:46.239 --> 00:34:52.239 change and as the industries change. But boy ceo pay even when CEOs do 368 00:34:52.280 --> 00:34:55.679 a terrible job, and they still get a golden parachute to leave, or 369 00:34:55.719 --> 00:35:01.920 coaches or other people as frustrating. Man, Amen, it's going to cost 370 00:35:02.199 --> 00:35:06.480 Look, I have a daughter who goes to Michigan State. We'll just use 371 00:35:06.519 --> 00:35:09.199 that since you brought that up, right, I mean tuition. I'm not 372 00:35:09.239 --> 00:35:15.960 saying it's you know, necessarily wrong for Michigan State to do what they what 373 00:35:16.000 --> 00:35:19.719 they do, all right, I'm not going to complain about how much time 374 00:35:19.800 --> 00:35:22.400 is a makes or how much Jonathan Smith makes or anything like that. But 375 00:35:22.480 --> 00:35:27.039 I do know this. I mean it gets. It gets costly to send 376 00:35:27.039 --> 00:35:32.960 these kids to college. And if you're fortunate, ye go ahead. I 377 00:35:34.079 --> 00:35:37.599 just finished call straight years of tuition there. Yeah, you know, so 378 00:35:37.679 --> 00:35:40.360 you can relate. So yeah. And and the other thing though, too, 379 00:35:40.559 --> 00:35:45.480 is Michigan and Michigan State right now are letting in more in state students 380 00:35:45.000 --> 00:35:49.679 because you know, society right now, kids are getting married later and you 381 00:35:49.719 --> 00:35:52.679 have kids in that age, right and so do I. They're having less 382 00:35:52.760 --> 00:35:57.960 kids, there are less potential college students, you know, and so all 383 00:35:58.000 --> 00:36:00.440 of a sudden, what happens now the battle for these college students Alabama, 384 00:36:00.559 --> 00:36:04.480 that's any student you know, they admit you from out of state with a 385 00:36:04.559 --> 00:36:07.199 four point for free, just like what you said about Georgia. But you're 386 00:36:07.239 --> 00:36:10.880 gonna see universities and small colleges go out of business. And you're seeing that 387 00:36:12.400 --> 00:36:15.639 because the cost of college is too exorbitant, the debt, you know, 388 00:36:15.760 --> 00:36:19.280 for a lot of people, and what goes on. You nailed it, 389 00:36:19.400 --> 00:36:22.400 man, Yeah, look at how long it takes. And thanks to the 390 00:36:22.400 --> 00:36:23.760 phone call, have a great weekend. Look at how long it takes for 391 00:36:23.920 --> 00:36:30.800 someone to pay off those student loans. If you need student loans Michigan State 392 00:36:30.880 --> 00:36:35.320 University, we'll just use that as an example. What is it twenty two 393 00:36:35.360 --> 00:36:38.639 thousand a year? Which doesn't seem too bad, you know, if you're 394 00:36:38.639 --> 00:36:46.360 talking about tuitions and fees and you've got that includes room and board to a 395 00:36:46.360 --> 00:36:51.280 certain extent. My daughter lived off campus. She'll live off campus again next 396 00:36:51.360 --> 00:36:58.880 year. Eventually it catches up to you. It takes kids years. How 397 00:36:58.960 --> 00:37:00.239 much was it when you and I went to college? Not to sound like 398 00:37:00.280 --> 00:37:02.920 old guy, it sure as hell wasn't that. It took me a long 399 00:37:02.960 --> 00:37:07.159 time to pay off my student loans. I had to pay for my own 400 00:37:07.199 --> 00:37:10.360 college. It's a good learning lesson. What are you getting out of it? 401 00:37:12.760 --> 00:37:15.440 This is a bigger picture type situation? But the reason why are there? 402 00:37:16.079 --> 00:37:20.840 It comes back to this, why why is the cost of going to 403 00:37:20.960 --> 00:37:27.400 college continually going up? But when those kids, a lot of those kids 404 00:37:27.960 --> 00:37:32.079 leave college, they're getting jobs that don't come close to helping them pay that 405 00:37:32.199 --> 00:37:38.039 off. Why is that not a bigger issue for people today? I've said 406 00:37:38.039 --> 00:37:44.199 this for a long time. I've said we've got our priorities kind of out 407 00:37:44.199 --> 00:37:49.840 of whack. I love the system that we have in the sense that, 408 00:37:50.039 --> 00:37:52.519 you know, you can make a lot of money doing different things. Be 409 00:37:52.599 --> 00:37:59.880 an entrepreneur. Okay, my son's got a friend he makes money off stre 410 00:38:00.400 --> 00:38:05.159 how I have no idea. I mean, who wants to spend their night 411 00:38:05.679 --> 00:38:07.599 watching somebody else play a video game? Is beyond me? Okay, but 412 00:38:07.719 --> 00:38:12.119 hey whatever, Okay, if you can make a living doing it and you're 413 00:38:12.119 --> 00:38:15.320 happy doing it, and you think it's a long term plan, God love 414 00:38:15.360 --> 00:38:20.360 you. Okay, go, I'm not judging here, just surprised at these 415 00:38:20.400 --> 00:38:23.480 kids leave college. I mean they're making jobs, they're getting jobs, but 416 00:38:23.480 --> 00:38:29.519 they're they're not high paying jobs, not enough for them to leave the nest, 417 00:38:29.840 --> 00:38:38.119 and not enough for them to pay off those college tuition bills. You 418 00:38:38.119 --> 00:38:44.320 know, unless parents have planned. Fortunately we've planned at times for our kids. 419 00:38:44.360 --> 00:38:47.159 But you know, like he just said, it's got four kids, 420 00:38:47.639 --> 00:38:54.679 four kids going to Michigan State. Do the math. Twenty thousand dollars plus 421 00:38:55.199 --> 00:39:06.719 for four years. If you're lucky, eighty grand times four. Good luck 422 00:39:07.000 --> 00:39:12.920 retiring anytime soon. If you're helping your child, which we would all like 423 00:39:12.960 --> 00:39:16.000 to do, right especially if we paid for our own that's the ultimate goal. 424 00:39:17.360 --> 00:39:22.360 Where's the money? Why is it rising? Why the cost going up? 425 00:39:22.559 --> 00:39:24.480 The costs are going up for kids to go to school, but the 426 00:39:24.480 --> 00:39:32.920 payoff isn't going up. Why does some of it have to do with coaches 427 00:39:34.000 --> 00:39:43.000 salaries, professor salaries, whatever. Somebody's paying that Bill Man Kirby Smart making 428 00:39:43.039 --> 00:39:51.280 thirteen million dollars at the University of Georgia is not coming out of one man's 429 00:39:51.320 --> 00:39:55.119 pocket, the chancellor, the president, the athletic director. No, it's 430 00:39:55.400 --> 00:40:01.239 their fund. Where's that fund come from. It comes from the university, 431 00:40:02.320 --> 00:40:08.960 It comes from ticket sales and then some but eventually, at least some of 432 00:40:09.000 --> 00:40:13.119 it. I'm not saying all of it. Some of it is being paid 433 00:40:13.119 --> 00:40:21.559 off by those whose kids go to college. Right, absolutely, Again, 434 00:40:22.400 --> 00:40:29.280 you get what you can. If you're a college coach and your administrator is 435 00:40:29.320 --> 00:40:30.280 willing to pay you that kind of money, you're not going to go And 436 00:40:30.440 --> 00:40:34.159 I don't think it's a good idea. I'll keep the ten point seventy five. 437 00:40:34.159 --> 00:40:35.880 I want you to take that three million. I want you to put 438 00:40:35.880 --> 00:40:37.840 it toward the students and lower their tuition and so on. So no, 439 00:40:38.320 --> 00:40:43.039 okay, people just aren't doing that. But there is a responsibility at some 440 00:40:43.119 --> 00:40:46.360 point, isn't there, And maybe we just don't see it. Maybe we 441 00:40:46.480 --> 00:40:52.320 just don't care. That could be the possibility too. What I care about 442 00:40:52.719 --> 00:40:58.559 is in part my golf game. 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