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part, not every single draft, but for the most part, a top
five, top eight pick. Those are your impact players. In watching a
lot of games this year, and I never had a chance. Haven't had
a chance to do this in the past five six years because of Colin Tigers
baseball. You're so wrapped up in your sport that you're just on the periphery.
Are watching the NBA and the NHL playoffs. This year, have had
a chance to really dive into watching a lot of NBA and I notice that
so many of these quality, high end players that we're watching right now,
especially in the playoffs, were not top eight picks, like a two time
MVP. If you're a two time everybody knows Nikola Jokic is one of the
best players in the world, so saying that it's a bit of a surprise
would be a stunner to most. I mean, he's a superstar, but
a guy who helped lead the Nuggets to their first ever World championship. Let
him in points and rebounds and assists in their first five opening games of the
series against the Lakers. He just drafted in the second round. He is
a forty first overall pick in twenty fourteen. Jalen Brunson. Look what he
did last night. Scored forty one and grab twelve and had twelve assists.
He is name it an All Star for the first time this year. Set
a Knicks playoff record with forty seven points in Game four against the Sixers.
They don't They're not the two seed without Jalen Brunson, right, would you
agree with that? I hope. So it's a second round pick, thirty
third overall in twenty eighteen. Are they outliers? Are they the exception to
the rule? We're seeing more and more of it, Tyrese Maxey. He
tied Michael Jordan for most points scored by visiting player Madison square Garden when he
torched the next for forty six. Twenty players were picked ahead of him on
Draft night in twenty twenty, and we're talking about a guy who joined Allen
Iverson, Joel Embiid, Wilt Chamberlain, and Hal Greer Dana Barrows former Piston,
as the only six Ers player to score fifty points, grab five rebounds
or more, and dish out five assists or more in a single game.
You're in the same conversation with Allen Iverson, Joelle and b wil Chamberlain,
how Greer, that's pretty damn good. No offense to Dana Barrows. Have
you watched the Boston Series at all? Derek White. Now, he's not
an All Star. He's not named to the All NBA First team or a
second team. He has been on the All Defensive Team. Averages fifteen points
per game, shoots close to forty percent from three. He was a twenty
ninth overall pick in the twenty seventeen draft. These guys have forced me to
change my view a little bit that you can get quality later on. But
it also reinforces how how important it truly is to have the right scouts and
the right people making those moves. Reinforces it. See, I get caught
up, and I'm sure a lot of other people do because the media,
what does the media do. They promote Lebron, James Gianna, Sante Tea
Campo, Kevin Durant. You know, I get it, Devin Booker for
a good reason. Okay. I think it's been refreshing to see some of
these teams. I'm rooting for some of these teams. I like Jaylen Brown
from Boston, but he was the third overall pick. I think I like
some of the guys who are coming out of nowhere, if you will.
I like Donovan Mitchell a lot. I think he's a really good player.
But the guys who are kind of under the radar, the guys who were
are now stars, and I think that's fair to say. And a lot
of these guys are just mentioned for for sure, as jokis for sure,
Brunson, maybe Maxie a little bit later on. Probably not Derek White,
but maybe he to a certain extent. He gets lost in the shuffle of
Tatum and Brown and porzingis not Horford because he's been around a long time and
I wouldn't call him a star any longer, but he used to be bigger
names. How's that cool? Okay? They get lost in that, so
maybe they are are more than just what like, especially him, maybe he's
more than what he's showing right now. But he's perfect for them, for
the for the Celtics. See people when those guys were drafted. I'll bet
you most people if they even were paying attention to them getting drafted, guaranteed
the people when Jokic was drafted there who the hell is this guy? It's
not like he got a lot of pub coming out like Luka Doncic did,
right, so a lot of people are probably going who the hell is this
guy? And understandably so maybe they think, ah, he's a long shot
to make the team, or he'll be a role player at best. How's
that you've heard the phrase you can do anything you set your mind to.
I mean maybe you did that or use that as a as a parent,
or heard it as a kid, right, or you've heard the expression diamond
in the rough. Maybe that's what these guys are. Maybe I'm reading too
much into it, but I like it. I like to see more of
it, and I'm hoping, and there could be some selfishness here on my
part that the Pistons eventually are able to do something like that. But when
you see some of these guys performing at this level and it could be system.
There's a lot of things. Look at Pascal Siakam. He's an NBA
champion, He's a two time All NBA performer. Toronto drafted him in twenty
sixteen with the twenty seventh overall pick. That was the Ben Simmons draft.
Jaylen Brown was in that same draft. You know who is taken ahead of
him. A lot of guys you've never heard of, guys who haven't been
played. You've heard of this guy, but Denzel Valentine was taken ahead of
him. Who the hell's Wade Baldwin, Piston took Henry Ellenson exactly. You're
going, wait a minute, yes, that's true. There guys taking you
have never stepped down the NBA hardwood. But Pascal Siakam at twenty seven overall
is one of the best players on an Indiana team that just upset in Milwaukee
and can be a scary team to face and is one of the best offensive
minded teams in the entire league. It's pretty cool stuff. I think it's
just something I was thinking about last night. Get your thoughts on it on
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the text line Sports Radio to twenty one thousand. I do want to get
into the cost of hiring coaches here in a moment. But first, Ben,
Yeah, we got from a text standpoint says if this team wants to
build around Caid, and I don't understand why I would trade Duran and Ivy
for a star in Morant. Ivy is okay, and Duran really is a
nicer Drummond. Of course, his size can get dunks and thirteen rebounds.
Morant is a star. Also draft the Connecticut Center to trio with Moran and
Kid start there. What makes you think that Memphis would give up their star
for during an Ivy. That's the first thing that comes to mind when you
make up trade scenarios. There's a lot of things that have to happen.
Contract equivalency has to happen, okay, because there is a salary cap,
and you have to be realistic. The Memphis Grizzlies spent the second overall pick
in the twenty nineteen draft on j Morant. He's really good. Does he
come with some baggage? Damn right, he does. But he's really good,
imaging twenty two and a half points per game in his career seven and
a half assists per game in his career. Can knock down the three.
He's averaged twenty seven, twenty six, and twenty five in each of the
last three seasons injury problems. But you know, I want you to put
yourself in the situation of the Memphis general manager, and you have Jaron Jackson,
Marcus Smart, Luke Cannard, Desmond Bane, a couple of expistons,
and J Moran, and you sit at a press conference in your home arena.
Camera's rolling, cameras clicking, reporters ready to ask, and you announced
we've traded J Morant, like it or not the face of your franchise for
Jalen Duran and Jade and Ivy. I want you to think about that for
a second and then ask yourself, would you do that? See I like
Jalen Duran, I do. I don't look at him as an Andre Drumming
type player. I think we get caught up saying, oh, he's Andre
Drumming because they're both centers and they both played for the Pistons. I think
Jalen Duran is. I don't know if he'll ever be as good a scorer
inside as Andre Drummond or rebounder, but I think he's a very good young
piece to this puzzle. It's not that I have anything against Jade and Ivy,
but if somebody came to me with a package, I felt was very
enticing and he had to be part of it. Sure. Look, they
just set the record for fewest wins in franchise history. There there's nobody on
this team where you go, I've got to keep this guy except for perhaps
Kate Cunningham, and for me, it would be Jalen during everybody else,
I'm open to trading. That would be my opinion. And let's just remind
people that is not always a negative thing. When you're willing to trade somebody,
that means you're a quantity or or some type of peace that you find
value in. You can look at it as discarding a person, but I
look at it like, Hey, you know what, I need something else.
I have to give up something pretty damn good in order to get it.
I'd rather keep Jalen during the Isaiah Stewart my opinion, But you would
love to have that. Sure, Memphis isn't doing that. You've got to
have a willing partner to trade. To me, that would make no sense
none if you're the Memphis Grizzlies. Now, I love the fact that you're
looking at it from a hometown aspect. Good for you. That's you know,
that's that's definitely helping the Pistons for sure. Here here's my second question.
What is it you don't believe in regarding Kid Cunningham? Why is that
he's Here's the I think part of the problem with Caid Cunningham. He is
dangerously because he was one one in twenty twenty one. He is dangerously dangerously
close to being just labeled as a good player on a crappy team. And
all the experienced losing you've seen with him, he's been I mean, I
think he's for the most part, he's been pretty healthy. I mean,
what did he play sixty two games this year? Ben sixty two out of
eighty two he could have played more. He wasn't drastically hurt down the stretch.
The team's just not playing him, and we're gonna play him. What
was the point of that? You know? So they just felt like,
forget it, We're gonna just put him in street Cills. He played sixty
four as a freshman or as a first year player. Right, Okay,
so he had the one injury riddled season and that was season two. Were
only played twelve games. Because this franchise has experienced so much losing and it
can be so frustrating, frustrating for both of us or all of us.
He's the face of it, and I think that's what people are looking at.
I'm not buying in. Why not, because this is what they've done
with him. What is the when you watch him play or when you look
at his seasons there's been three of them. What do you determine? Do
you think he's I mean, be honest with yourself. Do you think he's
an All Star caliber player? I would say yes. Is he going to
be a quote end quote great player? That's a definition that varies. I
think we use that word way too often. Who are the great players in
the league right now? And measure him against which you think are great players
at the same position. If you can't, do you look at him as
a point guard? Do you look at him as a shooting guard? How
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want him on your team? So let's call him. You want to call
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Steph Curry? If he's a shooting guard, is he is good as Devin
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chasing. I think he can make other players around him better and I think
he's going to get better. But he needs help, and it's not just
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eight sixty six eight three eight forty eight forty three. What I'm about to
share with you is it is. It's borderline depressing. Kirby Smart's a really
good football coach. You know it and I know it and went back.
He and the Bulldogs won back to back titles in twenty one and twenty two.
The SEC is the hardest conference in America annually, and yet he guided
his team to an SEC record twenty nine consecutive wins, ended up losing in
the SEC title game a year ago to Alabama, Kirby Smart had a contract
that paid him ten point seven million dollars a year. That's a handsome price.
Yes, absolutely, Georgia. You can call it a commitment to athletics,
called a commitment to Kirby Smart, a reward for a job well done.
Although he was getting rewarded with ten point seven five million dollars, but
the Georgia administration decided to tear that up and give him a new ten year,
one hundred and thirty million dollar deal that was approved by officials yesterday.
He's the highest paid football coach in the country. He's the first thirteen million
dollar coach. Debo Sweeney makes eleven and a half million at Clemson. Lincoln
Riley at USC makes eleven Calin de Boor went from Washington Alabama a big reason
he makes ten points eight seven five million dollars. Steve Sarkesian at Texas ten
point six million dollars, Mike Norvell at Florida State ten point five million dollars.
It's a lot of flipping money. Put it in perspective. First of
all, do you guys know who Vince Dooley is. Vince Dooley was a
highly acclaimed coach at Georgia. Head coach at Georgia a long time ago.
He made fifteen thousand dollars his first year, his first contract at Georgia,
he was paid fifteen thousand dollars. He won a national championship, He had
herschel Walker, he had Mike Bobo. Oh, never mind, but he
had some really good players there. Fifteen thousand dollars according to him, that
was back in the sixties, A long time ago. But has it really
gone up that much? From fifteen thousand dollars to thirteen million per year?
More perspective for you. Smart would be the fourth highest paid NFL coach if
he were out there. It's lucrative to be in college athletics. Andy Reid
this year is going to make more than eighteen million. Sean Payton in Denver
this year is going to make eighteen million. Sean McVay of the Rams this
year is going to make fourteen million dollars. Mike Tomlin with the Steelers this
year is expected to make twelve and a half million dollars. John Harbaugh this
season for the Baltimore Ravens will make twelve million dollars. Kirby Smart is getting
more than John Harbaugh. He's getting more than Mike Tomlin. He is also
making more than a guy like Bruce Bochie just won a World Series in Texas.
Dave Roberts with the Dodgers LA's worth. The Dodgers are worth are reported
three point six billion dollars and they paid their manager half, not even half
of what the University of Georgia is paying their head football coach. We got
done talking about the NBA a little bit ago. Somebody brought up Kate Cunningham.
Pistons Maddie Williams makes thirteen mil, same as Kirby Smart and Monty Williams.
The fourth highest paid NBA coach, Peter Lavely Alett led the Rangers to
a President's Trophy most points in the league. He makes five million dollars.
Yeah, guys. In college basketball, John Kelapari, bill self, Bill
self makes nine million blocks. Folks, it's all public. I'm not sharing
anything with you that you can't look up yourself. College athletics. We all
know it's big business, but it's stories like this. And look, if
I'm Kirby Smart, I take it too. You kidding me. Not begrudging
him by any stretch. But you wonder why fans, first of all,
why there's so much pressure and why there is so much expectations. Hey,
man, athletes got to deal with it. Two, an athlete is making
as much money as they are. We talked about this the other day.
When they make it as much money as they are, there are expectations.
You as a fan are paying good, hard earned money. It's a lot
of freaking money to go to a game these days. You're driving around Rockford
right now, you're thinking, you know what, I'm gonna save up some
money. I'm gonna go down to the ballpark, or I'm gonna go to
a stadium, and I'm gonna say, you know what, I want to
go watch this team play. You're driving around in Flint. You're going,
I'm gonna save up what I can. I'm gonna go watch the Lions one
weekend. It's gonna cost you the I mean, it's almost like a vacation.
It's like a weekend getaway for crying out loud, really super expensive.
So when fans get pissed off, I get it. I think sometimes we
can all be a little unrealistic. But when you have your hard earned money
and things are getting more and more expensive these days with inflation, and you
want to go. You want to be entertained, You want to see a
win. You expect something out of a guy because he makes as much money
as he does. You have every right to expect that. And when Kirby
Smart doesn't do what he's supposed to do, win a national championship. When
you make thirteen million dollars, fans are livid down in Athens. I get
it. It comes with the territory. I get why Kentucky was upset at
John Calipari. I get why Kansas is upset at Bill's self. And they'll
tell you, well, you can't win every single year. No you can't.
But you know what, you make nine million dollars, Bill. You
make more than anybody else coaching college basketball. So when Kansas doesn't win the
Big Twelve, when they don't reach the Final four, people are going to
be ticked off, and they should be ticked off because that's more than anybody
else makes. You're sending your kids to school. I got a buddy,
his daughter goes to Georgia. Now there's a little difference situation there in Georgia.
I mean, if you get a certain grade point average, you get
a lot of help. Some places, it's almost free to go to school
there. That's just the way it is there. They make George's chuck full
of money. I guess maybe it doesn't bother him as much as it would
bother me. But thirteen million dollars to coach college football huge business fans get
upset, And then you wonder why so many advocate for players to get paid.
When a man makes thirteen million dollars coaching college kids, and those college
kids have to do what go to school? At the same time balance all
the other things that go on in a teenager, in a young twenty year
old's life, you can understand it. I don't necessarily agree with paying them
per se, but it's hard to argue against it when a guy's making that
kind of coin. Meyer Hotline eight sixty six eight three eight forty eight forty
three. Ben, Who do we got with us? Yeah? We got
David Hudsonville, Hi, Dave, how are you this morning? A good
morning, chef? Yes, this is a great topic, and I'll tell
you. I'll tell you what even here here's a frame of reference when it
comes to our state. I grew up in the middle of our state where
a lot of my buddies when I graduated from high school, it could go
to Flint or Landing or Saganaw and work in the auto industry and they'd make
a good living, you know, quality life. Man. They had a
brand new vehicle every year, they had a cottage up north. They could
take their family on a trip to Florida, you know. And that was
the backbone of Michigan when Flint was thriving, when Saganaw was thriving Detroit.
And now you look at what's happened over time those jobs. And my father
worked in that industry for sixty some years, you know, as a supplier
to the auto industry. But all of a sudden, what happens with that
is the jobs went south, and then the jobs went to Mexico, and
then the jobs went overseas. And you can look at the plight of Michigan
over that time, you know, and so forth. And it's also but
look at CEO pay and look at the differences that have happened in that compared
to the worker. And then all of a sudden, look at what we
do now with athletics and some of this stuff, you know, I mean,
it's amazing what people get paid for for what they adore, and these
salaries that go crazy and then all of a sudden, is it a good
you know? I mean if you look even at the universities, you know
has has what Tom Izzo gets paid helped Robin Freelick, you know, in
women's basketball. But then if you look across the board at other sports,
they're getting paid a pittance, you know what I mean, Because it's not
oys, and it's not what people tend to care about. So I think
it's also a societal issue, and I think it's something that probably frustrates a
lot of people in the sense that, you know, it's hard as jobs
change and as the industries change. But boy ceo pay even when CEOs do
a terrible job, and they still get a golden parachute to leave, or
coaches or other people as frustrating. Man, Amen, it's going to cost
Look, I have a daughter who goes to Michigan State. We'll just use
that since you brought that up, right, I mean tuition. I'm not
saying it's you know, necessarily wrong for Michigan State to do what they what
they do, all right, I'm not going to complain about how much time
is a makes or how much Jonathan Smith makes or anything like that. But
I do know this. I mean it gets. It gets costly to send
these kids to college. And if you're fortunate, ye go ahead. I
just finished call straight years of tuition there. Yeah, you know, so
you can relate. So yeah. And and the other thing though, too,
is Michigan and Michigan State right now are letting in more in state students
because you know, society right now, kids are getting married later and you
have kids in that age, right and so do I. They're having less
kids, there are less potential college students, you know, and so all
of a sudden, what happens now the battle for these college students Alabama,
that's any student you know, they admit you from out of state with a
four point for free, just like what you said about Georgia. But you're
gonna see universities and small colleges go out of business. And you're seeing that
because the cost of college is too exorbitant, the debt, you know,
for a lot of people, and what goes on. You nailed it,
man, Yeah, look at how long it takes. And thanks to the
phone call, have a great weekend. Look at how long it takes for
someone to pay off those student loans. If you need student loans Michigan State
University, we'll just use that as an example. What is it twenty two
thousand a year? Which doesn't seem too bad, you know, if you're
talking about tuitions and fees and you've got that includes room and board to a
certain extent. My daughter lived off campus. She'll live off campus again next
year. Eventually it catches up to you. It takes kids years. How
much was it when you and I went to college? Not to sound like
old guy, it sure as hell wasn't that. It took me a long
time to pay off my student loans. I had to pay for my own
college. It's a good learning lesson. What are you getting out of it?
This is a bigger picture type situation? But the reason why are there?
It comes back to this, why why is the cost of going to
college continually going up? But when those kids, a lot of those kids
leave college, they're getting jobs that don't come close to helping them pay that
off. Why is that not a bigger issue for people today? I've said
this for a long time. I've said we've got our priorities kind of out
of whack. I love the system that we have in the sense that,
you know, you can make a lot of money doing different things. Be
an entrepreneur. Okay, my son's got a friend he makes money off stre
how I have no idea. I mean, who wants to spend their night
watching somebody else play a video game? Is beyond me? Okay, but
hey whatever, Okay, if you can make a living doing it and you're
happy doing it, and you think it's a long term plan, God love
you. Okay, go, I'm not judging here, just surprised at these
kids leave college. I mean they're making jobs, they're getting jobs, but
they're they're not high paying jobs, not enough for them to leave the nest,
and not enough for them to pay off those college tuition bills. You
know, unless parents have planned. Fortunately we've planned at times for our kids.
But you know, like he just said, it's got four kids,
four kids going to Michigan State. Do the math. Twenty thousand dollars plus
for four years. If you're lucky, eighty grand times four. Good luck
retiring anytime soon. If you're helping your child, which we would all like
to do, right especially if we paid for our own that's the ultimate goal.
Where's the money? Why is it rising? Why the cost going up?
The costs are going up for kids to go to school, but the
payoff isn't going up. Why does some of it have to do with coaches
salaries, professor salaries, whatever. Somebody's paying that Bill Man Kirby Smart making
thirteen million dollars at the University of Georgia is not coming out of one man's
pocket, the chancellor, the president, the athletic director. No, it's
their fund. Where's that fund come from. It comes from the university,
It comes from ticket sales and then some but eventually, at least some of
it. I'm not saying all of it. Some of it is being paid
off by those whose kids go to college. Right, absolutely, Again,
you get what you can. If you're a college coach and your administrator is
willing to pay you that kind of money, you're not going to go And
I don't think it's a good idea. I'll keep the ten point seventy five.
I want you to take that three million. I want you to put
it toward the students and lower their tuition and so on. So no,
okay, people just aren't doing that. But there is a responsibility at some
point, isn't there, And maybe we just don't see it. Maybe we
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