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The countdown is on to Fight Time. This is Big Fight Weekend. Now

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here is your host, DJ leaves
Well, Hello and welcome in for one

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of the final times in twenty twenty
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somewhat confident host TJ. Reeves.
He's our insider, Dan Rayfield. Fight

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here on this pod at Bigfight Weekend dot

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com. Hello, my friend,
where we have got some very intriguing stuff

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to go over a Friday night.
Jake Paul reappearance in Orlando, Florida,

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world title fight unification at flyweight in
Arizona, Bam Rodriguez and Sonny Edwards,

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the final ever Showtime Don't get sappy
and emotional on me, the final ever

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Showtime boxing card to be on Saturday
evening in Minneapolis. We're going to talk

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about all of those and heavyweight contender
Atto Valeen in a convertation with Dan on

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this podcast, and much more.
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that's gonna go on. We're gonna
hear from Auto Valin in a little bit

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Jake Paul in action. First,
I have already said to you, you've

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already interviewed him. I am intrigued
by this. On Friday Night Dezone not

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on pay per view, by the
way, Cruiserweight main event. Andre August

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is the opponent. Your thoughts on
this is he's back to fighting a boxer

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and says, we'll believe it when
we see it. In twenty twenty four,

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I'm gonna fight more boxers. I'm
interested in being a boxing contender,

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a boxing world champion. Your thoughts, Dan Rayfield, Well, my thoughts

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are good for him and good for
us because it's not a pay per view,

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so that's good a part of your
normal the Zone subscription, which you

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know obviously has a big weekend this
weekend and has a bunch of big weekends,

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but this weekend with Jake Paul and
then on Saturday, one of the

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more interesting fights that you could ask
for, at least if you like smaller

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weight fighters with the flywits, which
we'll get to. But in terms of

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about Jake Paul, in my interview
with him, he comes off as very

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earnest, very believable, very dedicated
and committed, and I felt like was

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honest where he said when he started
all this business, it was just,

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you know, as he said,
it was YouTubers talking shit. Let's fight.

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And he didn't realize when he did
that that he was going to really,

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you know, as he said,
fall in love with boxing and he's

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taking it seriously. And we discussed
about how we kind of is doing his

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career back courts. Typically the guy
would start with these types of fights against

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you know, anonymous type opponents,
where you're just building your skills and your

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repetitions of certain things and working on
this and working on that, and then

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you hope to get into the bigger
fights against the bigger names and the bigger

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arenas and make the bigger money.
Jake Paul has done even play the opposite.

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He's been mostly on pay per view
for his career. He's bought several

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big names, granted not boxers,
although Tommy Theory is a pretty decent name.

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That was the one loss. He's
made huge amounts of money. He's

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packed big, big arenas, and
now, as he says, I got

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I'm making so much money doing all
kinds of different things. I made like

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two hundred and fifty million gross in
the last three years of pay per view

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that it's it's not just about the
money, and I want to better myself.

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I want to improve my skills.
I want to be a world champion.

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I'm going to fight Canelo someday.
Now you can laugh and we can

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say that's ridiculous, but you know
what's the old staying from our good friend

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George Castanza on Seinfeld, it's not
a lie if you believe it. So

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he seems awfully serious about this.
And and by the way, I'm laughing

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at the two and fifty million.
Did he say to you in that podcast?

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Two hundred and fifty million? That's
yeah, okay, even if it's

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a little bit exaggerated. Whatever.
Here's the point, though, he's putting

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his money where his mouth is because
he is taking a fight against an Andre

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August who is a ten to one
in one fighter, who is a boxer

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by trade. He doesn't participate in
combat other than boxing, and that's what

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his thing is in terms of being
an athlete. So there's similarly similarly experienced

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in terms of the number of fights
and that sort of stuff. And he's

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fighting him not in a big arena
in Orlando, but in a casino,

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uh, you know, in a
in a big ballroom. And that's not

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I'm not knocking that. I'm just
making a point that as an event,

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the fact that it's not against a
big name opponent, it's not in a

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large arena, it's not a pay
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smaller of scale. And he's like, I'm okay with that now. He

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also made the point if one of
these other knuckleheads, as he said,

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or whatever his word was for them, meaning some other you know, big

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name uh influencer or MMA person or
whoever you know, wants to wants to

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get beat down for ten million dollars. You know, he's happy to accommodate

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him. So I suspect that come
next year, oh yeah, you know,

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we'll see him do at least one
more of these kinds of fights and

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probably another one of those you know, uh NMA type crossover type of fights.

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But I give him credit. I've
said it from steadfast, from the

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beginning that we've talked about Jake Paul. I respect what he's trying to do.

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He wants to make himself the best
boxer he can. Whether he gets

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there or not. The jury is
out, So the real, the real

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question on this is what kind of
threat if all, if at all,

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is August. So Jake is a
seven and a half to one favorite on

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the bet Us line. Most believe
this is a win. There's a little

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bit of risk here, though,
because if he doesn't look good, if

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August can box him, if he
can't knock him out, it actually it

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hurts Jake's credibility a little bit.
Give me a little more from what you

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know is August even a minimal threat
here in this Friday Night Man event.

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Well, I'll put it to you
like this, if he doesn't get a

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knockout, that doesn't offend me.
I always felt like that's a weird way

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to judge somebody. There's been plenty
of all time greats, frankly, that

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have not been knockout punchers that win
fights and have done awesome work in the

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ring and have great resumes and are
well deserving of being in the Hall of

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Fame. So not getting a knockout
is not the end be all what he's

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doing. He's trying to fight a
guy who's a similar record, similar experience

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level, and trying to work on
some stuff, you know, with him

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and his trainer of whatever they're do. You know, he didn't go into

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details of what he's working on,
but you need the reps, and you

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need to get in there ring with
a guy that's a boxer, who's not

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a guy coming at you like okay. They can make a ton of money

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with an ideas. And Adaz is
a was a great NNA fighter, but

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not a boxer. So now he's
fighting a boxer and he's gonna work on

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stuff and he's not charging extra for
based on the fact that it's not ask

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what's the possibility. His record is
ten one and one. He's got five

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knockouts, he's been stopped in his
one loss. He is aged thirty five.

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But he does have some experience.
You know. For example, not

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that I heard of him, but
his most recent fight, which took place

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in August of this year, he
did win a six round decision against an

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undefeated fighter who was seven to no
name Brandon Martin. Now this will be

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Andre august first scheduled eight round fight. He's fought mostly four rounders. He's

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had a couple of six rounders,
two six rounders exactly. Jake has fought

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mostly eight rounders. He did jump
up at the last minute. I remember

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they had a back and forth where
he and the idea has decided at the

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last minute, let's extend at the
ten. Originally was was scheduled for eight.

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So Jake has a little bit of
an edge in that respect that if

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he has to go to the rounds, he knows he can because he did

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ten against he has and he's done
eight against Tommy Furry. That's right,

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So that's that's part of it.
Out of curiosity. August is thirty five.

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Thing, I'm looking to make this
a fifty to fifty fight. The

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idea is that Jake's gonna win.
Of course, he's just gonna get experienced.

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But on August he's thirty five.
Does he have any amateur background that

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we know where he just got that
late of a start in boxing to only

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have eleven or twelve fights at thirty
five years old, What do we know,

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If anything, do we know?
I don't think he had much of

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a of an amateur career. That's
not to say he didn't have any amateur

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fights, but for example, he
doesn't have if you go on his box

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wreck, there is no link to
amateur background. That doesn't mean he didn't

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have any fights. Just late off
through the sport, late to the sport

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is how you would describe it.
Probably yeah, I mean, also,

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I mean and this is you know, you have to look at this.

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I know I said he has a
win in August. He thought at the

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end of twenty nineteen, and I'm
sure this was partly pandemic related. He

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didn't have a single fight in twenty
twenty or twenty twenty one or twenty twenty

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two, so he had an extended
layoff, but he did come back with

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the win. So the matchmakers have
done their homework. The whole idea here

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is anybody, first of all,
anybody that's expecting a fifty to fifty fights

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a fucking idiot, because that's not
what you're doing. You got Jake Paul

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fighting this kind of fight. This
is a fight too, as I said,

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gain experience and put on a show. But they're not putting him in

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with a you know, apparently not
with a complete stiff. And we'll have

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to see. I mean, I'll
have a better assessment of the of the

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veracity of the match once we see
what occurs. Of course, I'm just

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laughing because I'm thinking him. I'm
laughing because I'm thinking of Rocky three,

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with Rocky and Mickey sitting on the
bed and he's having to tell him it

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was it was my job to protect
you. And Stallone says you mind was

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sut ups and he says, no, they was hand picked. That kind

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of seems like this, this is
hand picked. It's supposed to be a

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win. Are you feeling me,
right? But Jake Paul is supposed to

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win this fight, and that's not
a secret. You're right, of course.

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I mean anybody who thinks otherwise has
no idea about anything to do with

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how you do, uh, the
the the the architecture of a boxing career.

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I mean, if you put guys
in overmatch right away, you never

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have a star. And uh it's
not looking. But you know what,

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that's the bottom of mine. Jason
back in the ring. I'm looking forward

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to watching him fight. Whatever you
think about him, He's usually been in

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entertaining bouts. And uh, they
got a nice women's world title fight on

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the undercard for the vacant WBC Super
Midaway title between Shade's the Green and Franchion

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Cruiz Deserned, the former undisputed champions. So there's some uh you know,

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uh, some quality of a women's
match on the card, and then some

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author of Jake's prospects. So you
know, a as a free show as

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part of your normal subscription. You
know what count me in. I'm good

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with it. So good luck to
Jake, good luck, good luck to

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Andre August because the wind changes his
life. Of course it does. And

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again, as we released this podcast
late Thursday, as Dan and I tape

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into Friday Reminder, Friday Night,
Friday Night, Jake Paul and Andre August

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on to Zone, so that now
takes us in the preview to Saturday,

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and also on de Zone, this
is Jesse, Bam Rodriguez and Sonny Edwards.

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I saw some of them meeting with
the media late Thursday afternoon again Arizona

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on Mountain time now a couple of
hours back from Eastern time that Dan and

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I are on. So they were
meeting with the media. They get ready

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for flyweight unification title fight. Bam
Rodriguez exciting young championship fighter Sonny Edwards from

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England. Main event from Matchroom and
Dezone Glendale, Arizona in the preview mode

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A little more, please might one
really good matchup. If you're a boxing

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fan and you know some of the
smaller weight classes, this is about as

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interesting and as quality of fight as
you can make. You know, it

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fit the budget. I mean,
the guys are both I'm sure making their

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career best paydays. But it doesn't
cost crazy millions of dollars to make a

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fight like this, so it's affordable
for the network, for the promoter.

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The boxers still make their biggest paydays. We the fans get to see the

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two best fighters in the weight class. Go at each other. I know

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there's been some let's call it a
kerfuffle, if you will, because the

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folks you like when I come up
with those good vocabulary. All right,

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what's the kerfuffle over? The kerfuffle
is that there was a debate among and

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I'm not part of this group,
but I saw some of the back and

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forth. And you know, some
of the guys at the Ring Magazine are

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mindy, we're not kerfuffling, correct, So there was the discussion and the

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debate about whether or not this fight
between Sonny Edwards and Bam Rodriguez should be

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for the Vacant Ring Magazine flyway title. My memory is correct is that so

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was number one, maybe number two. But the point was usually when they

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do a title fight, it's either
got to be for a vacant it's got

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to be the one verses two or
one versus three. And I guess that

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dam Rodriguez, because as good as
he is, he's only had one previous

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fight as a flyweight in terms of
a title fight, which was when he

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won the vacant title in his last
fight where he got the broken jaw,

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and Sonya Edwards is more experienced and
I think they had Julio Caesar Martinez ahead

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of him, and anyway, they're
people who vote on that sort of thing,

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decided not to make this for the
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with. I mean, to me, this is a very bona fide,

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legitimate fight for the for that Ring
Magazine championship, and so uh the fact

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that and we'll get to the rest
of the card in a minute. On

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the Showtime card, Julio Caesar Martinez
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on that undercard against Angelino Cordova on
Thursday. That fight was postponed. It

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will now take place on a date
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reason was because Julio Caesar Martinez has
a vic problem could not get in.

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And this is just once again yet
another Julio S'son Martinez fight right that has

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been postponeder canceled. I mean,
he has had fights, but I can't

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even keep tracking the number five up
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I mean yeah, So to me, you know, Edwards against Bam should

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be for the vacant Ring Magazine title. For my money, the winner of

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this fight, I will view the
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legit clean win as the number one
Flyway and you like to say, who

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is the guy you believe this winner
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tell you know. And I'd still
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ses On Martinez. I mean that
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But the main point is here you
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know, he's he's a little bit
older than Bam who's twenty three. Sonny's

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twenty seven. But Sonny's in a
in the middle of a very nice title

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reign. He's making like what his
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This will be his fifth title defense, and he's fought you know, when

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he when he won the title,
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very outstanding, very underrated champion in
Murudi Madalani from South Africa. He's defended

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it pretty impressively without having much trouble
against solid names Felix Salvarado, Muhammed Wasim,

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you know, et cetera. And
now he's got to fight. He

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know, he's coming to America from
England. He's beg for this type of

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fight. When he was a fraze
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know, he was not going to
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And he's got Bam Rodriguez, now, Bam. You know, had

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got a good run as a champion
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a title fight on somewhat short notice, like on a few days and beat

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up on Carlos Quadras for the vacant
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Side two outstanding you know, pound
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of their careers. And and now
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that vacant title back in April of
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of last year was his last fight
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down in waight, and in this
past April, he won that title against

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Christian Gonzales. He won a pretty
substantial decision, but he also saw it

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for a broken jaw. So if
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this is the first fight since the
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of his comments at the news conference
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he was asked about the jaw and
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surprised by this. He said,
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trouble, but the standpoint that it's
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terms of his physical fitness and the
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and all that stuff, he said, he's fine, but it's still kind

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of it gave me pause when I
read that. But he's lucky in one

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sense because Sonny Edwards as outstanding of
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is not a puncher. He's got
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not a big puncher at all.
I've watched many, many of Sonny Edwards's

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fights and not a big puncher.
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most likely do it, you know, on a decision. But bam.

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You know. He was in a
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twenty twenty two. After that tremendous
run he put together with the three wins

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including against like I mentioned, Sharrungi
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win against it real Gonzalez, who
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right, and like these two guys
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they want the money, they want
the legacy, and they both ran towards

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this fight. They nobody had to
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take a unification. Neither guy was
like somehow concerned about losing their zero on

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the record, like so many guys
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and it's a contrast of styles and
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it a lot of They made this
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This fight was signed back in June, right, It's just taken a while

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because of the combination of the zone
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Bam was still recovering from the jaw
injury. But I'm pumped up for this

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one, and again on the bet
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do this live at one Eastern time
Friday, Finus on the bet Us platforms,

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their YouTube, et cetera. That
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It's virtually a fifty to fifty kind
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hundred two to one as the underdog
schedule twelve rounder with an over under of

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ten and a half very intriguing you
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Friday and Bam again a rising star
until the broken jaw is kind of sidelined

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me a little bit. And that's
some real intrigue on does it affect him

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on fight night? But like you
said, does Sonny Edwards hit hard enough

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for it to affect him? That's
part of the intrigue. That's what we'll

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find out. Anything else on that
the Zone show that stands out, the

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match Room de Zone show in Arizona
Saturday night, anything else of notice?

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Shall we move along? I mean, one thing that is I guess mildly

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interesting is the return of MJ Aquadalia, of the former unified title holder at

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one hundred and twenty two pounds.
He's in a title eliminator against Kevin Gonzales,

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who's undefeated. The winner of that
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be the mandatory for whoever emerges as
the undisputed champion between Noya in a way

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and Marlon Tapalas, which comes up
on December twenty sixth. Whether that guy

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will actually end up fighting the winner
of that fight, particularly it's in a

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way if he decides to move up
and wait remains to be seen. That's

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a pretty good matchup and that's the
cool feature. And then you know,

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I've got some other younger fighters than
the matchroom stable coming over from the UK,

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Peter mcgraila prospect on the card.
But you know, really this is

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all about that main event, which
is you know, I look at it

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as a you know, if you
were looking at all the fights that were

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scheduled for this fall, you know
that's like an A level kind of matchup.

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I mean very much intrigue. Just
don't know who's gonna win. Two

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quality guys in there, you know, in in or approaching their prime and

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made the best man win. It
should be a good one. I think

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vam Rodriguez out of San Antonio,
Texas has a big following obviously in San

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Antonio. Let's see what happens for
this again. Ato Valeen coming up in

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a few moments you'll hear from him. He's taking on Anthony Joshua and Saudi

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Arabia. Dan had a one on
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few moments. All right, here
we go. I I bring it up,

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and I see the look on your
say, I see the look on

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your face. The final Showtime Boxing
card comes up now Saturday night. Here

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it is after a thirty seven year
run. David Burrell in the main event,

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defending his WBA Secondary super middleweight title
in the main event. As you

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already mentioned, one of the title
five heights has been lost to a visa

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problem for Julio Cesar Martinez. All
Right, Dan, time to get sentimental

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for a few more moments. We've
done a lot on this and about how

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it would be the final one.
It is now here in frigid Minneapolis,

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inside in the Armory, a frequent
venue for premiere boxing champions and this will

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conclude Showtime Championship Boxing coming up Saturday
night. I mean, I'm not really

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sure what to say. It's disappointing, it's distressing, It's it's depressing,

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it's I mean, I've known nothing
other than HBO and Showtime my entire adult

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life, for most of when I
was a kid, So you know this

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one hurts. I don't. It's
not like a memorable matchup in terms of

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what the what's on the card,
the same way it wasn't a top level

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matchup in terms of the matches that
were on the final HBO card back five

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years ago. David Morell is an
excellent fighter, you know, has that

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secondary title. You know, Canelo
Albertz is the un disputed champion, but

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who knows if that will ever happen. He's only got nine fights. There'll

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be his tenth fight coming up on
Saturday. His opponents se Abeco. He's

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familiar. I think that the people
that have watched show Box all the years

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because as a younger fighter, he
he you know, came up a little

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bit on that series. Remember this
was a fight that was supposed to take

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placed earlier in the year. Uh
it ended up being uh it was canceled.

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I guess you is how you d
had determin it because they had a

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medical uh issue with Senate Agbeco's MRI. This was back in April on the

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Ryan Garcia Tank Davis undercard, and
so he was out and they put Yamagucci

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Falca in to fight David Morrell,
who he got knocked out in the first

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round, and once uh Beco's medical
situation was cleared and everything was good to

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go, they rescheduled the fight.
So yeah, but you know, it's

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kind of anybody I don't I don't
think anybody in good conscious is nothing against

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ageco. I don't think anybody can
really good conscious look at this match up

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and say you're gonna see like in
the final show timing events something like super

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Memorable or you know, in All
Time Classic. I mean, it's it's

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most people would look at it as
a straightforward victory for David Merrell, and

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you never know, that's why they
fight the fights. Uh So it's kind

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of hard to get you know,
really excited for the main event. Uh

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well, and the belief is he
may score another big knockout here to help

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his credibility at one sixty eight.
That's the injury possible right right at the

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co feature. I think is probably
the fight that most people look at as

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like the quote unquote real fight that
that means something, and that's the rematch

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between the lightweight up and commerce Chris
Colbert and Jose Valezuela. This is the

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second fight earlier in the year they
did fight, and it was a I

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guess, sort of a controversial decision
where Clobert got to win. A lot

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of people thought that that Downswell deserved
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know, I don't know if it
was. I can't say it was like

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some kind of great fight, but
they decided to make the rematch, and

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you know, it's an important fight
for both guys. If valan Zuelle loses

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a second time in a row,
that's a problem for him and uh and

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you know, if if Clobert does
a win, people look at back at

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the first fight and say, well, you know you didn't deserve that win

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in the first place. So you
got two younger guys both looking to h

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to make, you know, a
bigger name for themselves. And on the

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bet Us line, Hello, we're
not gonna officially picked this fight, but

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this will come up during our live
show, even money fight. We rare

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surprised to see that with the odds
where just take either one of them on

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the money line right now even it's
listed as even, or either Colbert or

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Valezuela. Interesting on that twelve round
when when they fought back in March,

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this was one of the pay per
view undercard fights back when Ben Avidi's had

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the fight against Caleb Plants and the
scores of the fight all three judges had

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it the same. I don't know
if they I don't think they all scored

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every single round the same, but
all three judges had it ninety five to

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ninety four in favor of Colbert,
but there was a ton of people that

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felt like Valenzuela, you know,
was the rightful winner of that fight.

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So okay, you know, props
to Colbert forgiving them a rematch, for

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Valonzuela for wanting the rematch, so
they'll do it again. They're both younger

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on the rise, and you know, so that's that's a quality match.

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But and then the other fight,
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a few days ago, which now
becomes the third fight of a triple huader

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with the Martinez fight postpone, and
it's the blackass in the past fight.

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That's the wealth rate re matched from
twenty twelve. I think it was between

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Robert Guerrero, who won the first
time around against Andre Berdo. And we

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talked at length the other night about
this, and you were looking into the

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research, Oh I got going for
you, and you said, Larry Holmes

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and bone Crusher Smith, right,
if you've done more research on on trying

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to find ones that have been that
long since the rematch. I didn't do

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the research, but other people shouted
it out to me, and I feel

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kind of like stupid for not realizing
it, and that because I was at

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the second fight. Unfortunately, as
I joked around, I tried to forget

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it. So thank you for reminding
me. Not no, thanks for reminding

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me. And that's the many many
years that transpired between the first fight between

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Roy Jones and Bernard Hopkins for the
vacant middleweight IBF belt the way back in

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like I forget the year ninety six
maybe whenever that was, and then they

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fought again, you know, like
eighteen years later whatever it was. That

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was a fight at Mandalay Bay that
I went to and now I'm gonna have

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to look that up, because wow, the rematch was such a terrible,

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terrible fight. They mean, for
many years when they were both at their

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best, remember they were on the
pound for pound top couple of guys forever

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and ever. Roy Jones was number
one for like a decade. Bernard was

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always, you know, for many
years sort of trailing behind him a little

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bit. But when the second fight
happened, this was like in another area

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code in this existence from the first
fight. The point I'm making is like

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in the early two thousands, the
rematch was something that HBO was was really

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desperately trying to put together. There
was a ton of people that really wanted

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to see it. It was a
huge fight. Back at that time,

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they oh, I made a mistake. I just I said the first I

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was ninety six. Their first fight
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It took place in RFK Stadium,
about probably half an hour from my house

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where it was on the undercard when
Riddick bow was still heavyweight champion, a

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00:24:41,200 --> 00:24:47,039
title fight at the RFK Stadium,
So May of ninety three. Now,

405
00:24:47,319 --> 00:24:48,759
a lot of shit happened between ninety
three and when they had the rematch.

406
00:24:48,759 --> 00:24:52,759
I mean, Roy was up and
down. Bernard would like had a ton

407
00:24:52,799 --> 00:24:56,599
of fights. He went through like
seventeen careers. It feels like the rematch

408
00:24:56,839 --> 00:25:00,720
was not intel. I mean,
this is just unbelievable. The rematch was

409
00:25:00,720 --> 00:25:04,799
in twenty ten, So from ninety
three to twenty ten, twenty seven years.

410
00:25:06,720 --> 00:25:08,160
No, well, no, seventeen
years, I'm sorry, two thousand,

411
00:25:08,240 --> 00:25:12,960
seventeen years. So, geez,
that was Holmes and bone Crusher was

412
00:25:14,160 --> 00:25:15,680
Holmes and bone Crusher was sixteen years, right, didn't you say? It

413
00:25:15,799 --> 00:25:19,759
was eighty three to ninety nine.
So it was just the fact that deb

414
00:25:19,799 --> 00:25:25,519
Berto is now doing it a decade
plus after. I mean, it's it's

415
00:25:25,799 --> 00:25:27,480
there's not a lot of fights that
you can think of where there's that much

416
00:25:27,559 --> 00:25:32,119
time between a rematch. Amazing.
They're both forty. I mean the first

417
00:25:32,119 --> 00:25:33,759
fight was a pretty good fight,
as my recollection goes, and so it

418
00:25:33,880 --> 00:25:37,920
doesn't really mean a whole lot,
but it's I guess it's the last show

419
00:25:37,960 --> 00:25:40,440
time. They're looking for some nostalgia, although I kind of find it ironic

420
00:25:40,480 --> 00:25:44,359
because the first fight between Berto and
Guarrero actually was on HBO. But you

421
00:25:44,440 --> 00:25:47,559
know whatever, here we are,
here we are, so this will be

422
00:25:47,599 --> 00:25:49,359
the final card. I'll tell you
one thing. Let's just be honest about

423
00:25:49,359 --> 00:25:52,799
it. I mean nothing against the
matches that they put on. You know,

424
00:25:52,880 --> 00:25:55,960
Clobert and don Zuela fine. I
like watching David Morrell, even though

425
00:25:55,960 --> 00:25:57,720
I don't expect too much from him. You know, Berto and Guerrero've always

426
00:25:57,720 --> 00:26:00,319
been honest fighters in the ring,
given their best efforts and all fair enough.

427
00:26:02,240 --> 00:26:03,680
I'm looking forward to the highlight reel
and they better fucking do a good

428
00:26:03,680 --> 00:26:07,480
one, and I'm gonna be pissed. Oh I think they will with all

429
00:26:07,599 --> 00:26:11,359
of I mean from Mike Tyson to
Floyd to Dale Hooya, back to Lennox

430
00:26:11,440 --> 00:26:17,440
Lewis. I know what you're talking
about, not Hoya but Manny pa early

431
00:26:17,519 --> 00:26:21,880
days. What are you talking about? Manny Pack fought in Showtime like once

432
00:26:22,279 --> 00:26:25,160
once? All right, but they've
got I mean they're talking that their main

433
00:26:25,279 --> 00:26:29,000
guys, the guys that you that
are the superstars of Showtime that you would

434
00:26:29,680 --> 00:26:34,960
affiliate with Showtime. Floyd several Canelo
fights, Mike Tyson, Uh, certainly

435
00:26:36,119 --> 00:26:41,319
who Felix, Felix Trinidad, Evander
Holyfield. I mean, but they had

436
00:26:41,400 --> 00:26:45,160
lots of great fighters, you know, Uh, andre Ward, Bernard Hopkins

437
00:26:45,200 --> 00:26:48,720
fought many fights on Showtime. You
know. Basically, if you were a

438
00:26:48,839 --> 00:26:51,680
don king fighter in the nineties at
any of any relevance, you were on

439
00:26:51,799 --> 00:26:55,599
Showtime. Uh. Unfortunately, if
you were not of relevance, sometimes we're

440
00:26:55,599 --> 00:26:59,519
also on Showtime. But that's the
story for another day. But Showtime's had

441
00:26:59,519 --> 00:27:03,319
it has a tremendous history in the
boxing. Their first ever fight was Marvin

442
00:27:03,319 --> 00:27:07,440
Hagler against John and the Beast Mugatti. So when you start with Hagler and

443
00:27:07,480 --> 00:27:12,599
Mugabi and you finished with Morella Abaco, uh, and a lot of ups

444
00:27:12,599 --> 00:27:15,160
and downs in between. I have
to watch, I have to swat and

445
00:27:15,200 --> 00:27:18,480
correct Rayfield. Their first fight was
that fight card. There were other fights

446
00:27:18,519 --> 00:27:22,480
they showed on replay. Then they
showed Haglers the main event. It is

447
00:27:22,599 --> 00:27:26,759
kind of interesting that Hagler all timer, the late Marvin Hagler, one of

448
00:27:26,799 --> 00:27:30,559
the all time greats, is the
first ever main event fight. And then

449
00:27:30,559 --> 00:27:33,960
we get David Morrell. No offense
to David Morrell, but that's the last

450
00:27:34,000 --> 00:27:37,960
ever main event. Okay, thirty
seven years later and Haler had his biggest

451
00:27:38,000 --> 00:27:42,599
fights on HBO. Also correct,
but still it's been Let's just see what

452
00:27:42,759 --> 00:27:48,759
that montage looks like. And again
they will sign it off and the whole

453
00:27:48,799 --> 00:27:52,640
bit and we'll recap all of this
on the Fight Freaks Unit recap with whatever

454
00:27:53,000 --> 00:27:57,440
they'll finish, they'll finish their boxing, uh Tour of duty, if you

455
00:27:57,480 --> 00:28:03,359
will, have put on the biggest
pay perview fights in the history of the

456
00:28:03,359 --> 00:28:07,799
sport because they were the promoter,
you know, with HBO and the actual

457
00:28:07,839 --> 00:28:12,119
promoters of Mayweather Pac Yo. They
did Connor McGregor against Floyd Mayweather, which

458
00:28:12,160 --> 00:28:18,359
is number two, and they've done
several other fights with Tyson and the Holy

459
00:28:18,440 --> 00:28:19,880
Field and things like that that we're
high up on those lists also, So

460
00:28:21,359 --> 00:28:26,240
they have a great history and it's
a sad weekend, there is no doubt

461
00:28:26,880 --> 00:28:30,559
about that, all right, So
let's segue off of those previews into your

462
00:28:30,640 --> 00:28:36,640
conversation with Auto Valen. He is
coming up on this day of reckoning a

463
00:28:36,759 --> 00:28:40,200
pay per view in Saudi Arabia,
not this weekend, but Saturday, the

464
00:28:40,279 --> 00:28:44,319
twenty third. He will fight Anthony
Joshua. Hear from him right now,

465
00:28:44,440 --> 00:28:48,039
heavyweight contender. He's been in there
with Tyson Fury, among others. What

466
00:28:48,200 --> 00:28:51,480
kind of threat is he to Joshua? Hear that conversation right now in our

467
00:28:51,519 --> 00:28:55,200
preview mode. Well, it's my
pleasure to bring into the podcast today the

468
00:28:55,240 --> 00:28:59,039
heavyweight contender Otto Valleen. Auto.
It's been a while since I've talked to

469
00:28:59,079 --> 00:29:00,960
you. I mean, I covered
fight with Tyson Fear. I've watched how

470
00:29:02,079 --> 00:29:06,640
your career has gone since then.
You've won six fights in a row.

471
00:29:06,720 --> 00:29:10,200
You have now landed a very big
fight with Anthony Joshua, which we're going

472
00:29:10,279 --> 00:29:11,720
to get into. Thank you very
much for doing this. How's everything going.

473
00:29:14,079 --> 00:29:15,119
I think it's going well, Thank
you. I'm really excited about this

474
00:29:15,240 --> 00:29:19,680
opportunity. So it's nice that it's
finally happening. Well, I'm happy for

475
00:29:19,759 --> 00:29:22,559
you. I will tell the people
You're gonna fight Anthony Joshua in the main

476
00:29:22,599 --> 00:29:26,200
event of the Day of Reckoning.
It's a big mega card, a lot

477
00:29:26,240 --> 00:29:30,079
of big time fights on that show. December twenty third and Riad Sadi Arabia

478
00:29:30,160 --> 00:29:34,160
live on his own pay per view. And I was really interested when I

479
00:29:34,599 --> 00:29:37,599
saw that this fight was made and
had heard that they had made this match.

480
00:29:37,680 --> 00:29:41,079
I thought about a lot of things, But the first thing was otto

481
00:29:41,160 --> 00:29:45,480
that you had fought Ma Gassia in
Turkey in September, and you got to

482
00:29:45,559 --> 00:29:48,519
win in that fight in a decision, and now this fight is in December,

483
00:29:48,599 --> 00:29:51,119
so it must have been like right
after that fight, or maybe even

484
00:29:51,160 --> 00:29:52,799
they had a deal before the fight. Can you just sort of walk me

485
00:29:52,880 --> 00:29:57,720
through how quickly things developed once the
Gassia fight was over or did this fight

486
00:29:57,839 --> 00:30:02,240
already have been present? Did you
prior to that fight? No, I

487
00:30:02,319 --> 00:30:04,000
had no idea. I had no
idea, So I had to fight with

488
00:30:04,079 --> 00:30:10,559
Gasia, had a week off in
Turkey, I had some adivacation there,

489
00:30:10,960 --> 00:30:15,160
went back to Sweden for a couple
of couple of weeks and then came back

490
00:30:15,200 --> 00:30:21,240
to New York and then early November
we heard about this fight, so so

491
00:30:21,400 --> 00:30:23,599
it was not fast at all,
or I mean it was fast when it

492
00:30:23,640 --> 00:30:27,640
finally happened, but before that we
didn't know about it. So then we

493
00:30:27,759 --> 00:30:33,359
got to call Jolie, my manager. We went back and forth with the

494
00:30:33,440 --> 00:30:37,279
other side, Joshua's side, and
we made a deal and I think two

495
00:30:37,359 --> 00:30:41,200
days, so it was it was
really things happened really fast. I was

496
00:30:41,240 --> 00:30:44,119
going to ask you, I like, because usually these types of fights,

497
00:30:44,200 --> 00:30:47,519
I mean, Anthony Joshua, you
know his fights, they take a little

498
00:30:47,559 --> 00:30:49,880
time to development to be made.
But obviously the way that this card is

499
00:30:49,880 --> 00:30:53,240
being put together, it seems like
money is really not any object for uh,

500
00:30:53,400 --> 00:30:56,920
you know, his excellency and the
folks over in Saudi Arabia that are

501
00:30:56,920 --> 00:31:00,200
putting this together. Did did you
have any reservations about getting back in the

502
00:31:00,279 --> 00:31:03,319
ring and going right back in the
camp so quickly after your fight with Gassia.

503
00:31:03,039 --> 00:31:07,839
I didn't actually, because we felt
like I've just been a good guy

504
00:31:07,960 --> 00:31:11,880
in Gassia. But I didn't take
much punishment and I didn't have any injuries

505
00:31:11,920 --> 00:31:15,799
or anything. So that's what we
based it on. If he had been

506
00:31:15,839 --> 00:31:18,880
a really tough fight, maybe I
wouldn't have taken this fight, but he

507
00:31:18,079 --> 00:31:22,400
wasn't, so I was in good
shape already, no injuries, felt great,

508
00:31:22,640 --> 00:31:29,039
So I think, yes, that
fight just gave me great momentum going

509
00:31:29,079 --> 00:31:32,200
into this fight. Well, right, you should probably be pretty sharp having

510
00:31:32,319 --> 00:31:34,039
just fought just a couple of months
before you get in the ring on the

511
00:31:34,119 --> 00:31:37,400
twenty third, I wondered, I
have to be honest. I mean,

512
00:31:37,480 --> 00:31:41,359
I know Anthony Joshua has not been
the type of fighter that's looked to avoid

513
00:31:41,440 --> 00:31:42,839
opponents. You know, he's fought
a lot of good guys in his career,

514
00:31:44,480 --> 00:31:47,759
been a champion two times, and
you know, fought in different countries

515
00:31:47,799 --> 00:31:49,960
and things along those lines. But
I was a little surprised if he decided

516
00:31:51,000 --> 00:31:55,599
to fight Otto Valleen, because you
know, you're good, but that's not

517
00:31:55,759 --> 00:31:57,359
his thing. You're also a South
Pond. I know they don't really love

518
00:31:57,440 --> 00:32:01,480
fighting left hainters. I've seen comments
from hern and I've watched his performances against

519
00:32:01,519 --> 00:32:05,720
other Southpaws Uhsik for example. I
mean, you guys are different kind of

520
00:32:05,759 --> 00:32:07,839
South Paus. But were you a
little surprised that Joshua agreed to fight you,

521
00:32:07,880 --> 00:32:10,440
because he really, frankly, could
have had the pick of pretty much

522
00:32:10,440 --> 00:32:13,880
any contender out there would have been
happy to fight him, I'm sure,

523
00:32:14,279 --> 00:32:16,440
and they'd have been able to make
a deal. I was surprised. I

524
00:32:16,559 --> 00:32:21,240
was surprised. But what I think
did it was that I did number two

525
00:32:21,279 --> 00:32:25,079
spot with the IBF, and that
tied him might become vacant. So they

526
00:32:25,160 --> 00:32:29,960
probably want the number two spot to
fight for for the IBS against Herkovich.

527
00:32:30,279 --> 00:32:34,880
But of course I'm looking to win
this fight, so they can forget about

528
00:32:34,880 --> 00:32:38,839
that and whatever they have plans whenever
they have planned now. But I think

529
00:32:38,960 --> 00:32:42,920
that I was at a little surprised
because I'm a south paw, I'm tricky

530
00:32:43,039 --> 00:32:45,240
and I'm good, and he's kind
of short notice for the fight, and

531
00:32:45,319 --> 00:32:49,839
also he has a new trainer again, so I think that's all to my

532
00:32:49,960 --> 00:32:52,240
advantage. Well, you brought up
about how you know you plan on winning

533
00:32:52,279 --> 00:32:55,480
this fight, and it leads me
to the question. I wanted you just

534
00:32:55,559 --> 00:32:58,240
to get your thoughts, and I
know you want to win. Of course,

535
00:32:58,240 --> 00:33:00,359
that's why you're in the business,
you know, when the fights,

536
00:33:00,359 --> 00:33:04,079
when titles make money, all that. Certainly the people that are putting this

537
00:33:04,160 --> 00:33:07,359
event together where they have you fighting
Anthony Joshua in the in the in the

538
00:33:07,440 --> 00:33:09,960
set, and the other you know, major fight on the card of the

539
00:33:10,119 --> 00:33:14,039
Let's call out the you know the
i'd really co feature, you know,

540
00:33:14,200 --> 00:33:16,240
a comin event, however you want
to describe it. They have Deontay Wilder

541
00:33:16,480 --> 00:33:21,720
fighting Joseph Parker. It's very obvious
based on the commentary from everybody and the

542
00:33:21,799 --> 00:33:24,279
way this was put together is that
the goal I think in the end is

543
00:33:24,319 --> 00:33:29,000
for if Joshua and Wilder are the
winner, to put them together. That's

544
00:33:29,039 --> 00:33:30,799
been a fight that boxing fans have
talked about, media have talked about for

545
00:33:30,880 --> 00:33:35,920
a very long time. They're two
huge stars, two big names. But

546
00:33:36,079 --> 00:33:38,200
you and Joshua, you and Joseph
Parker, you know, can alter that

547
00:33:38,519 --> 00:33:42,640
in a big way if you come
out victorious. And I wonder how much

548
00:33:42,839 --> 00:33:45,400
besides just your own desire to be
the winner and to move your own career

549
00:33:45,440 --> 00:33:49,960
head, do you relish sort of
messing up the plans for everybody else when

550
00:33:50,480 --> 00:33:52,759
that's what so many people are talking
about. I think that would be so

551
00:33:52,920 --> 00:33:55,799
sweet. If I fell in the
fight, then they can forget about you

552
00:33:55,880 --> 00:33:59,200
know, the wild to fire,
well, they can do it anyways,

553
00:33:59,319 --> 00:34:00,319
who knows. I mean, it's
still a big fight, I think.

554
00:34:00,359 --> 00:34:04,640
But if he loses this fight,
I'm gonna move on. I'm going to

555
00:34:04,680 --> 00:34:07,480
be on top of the world and
one of the best fighters out there and

556
00:34:07,519 --> 00:34:09,920
should be in line to fight Whenny
title. And then Parker and Wilder.

557
00:34:09,960 --> 00:34:14,280
I don't think that's an easy fight
because Wilder hasn't been active. I think

558
00:34:14,320 --> 00:34:16,760
he has like one round in two
years, so you're right, Parker has

559
00:34:16,840 --> 00:34:22,000
been active, but it depends on
how Parker comes out. If he comes

560
00:34:22,039 --> 00:34:24,360
out trying to box, he probably
get knocked out. But if he could

561
00:34:24,360 --> 00:34:27,840
take it to Wilder, then I
think he could be a good fight.

562
00:34:28,960 --> 00:34:31,320
Yeah. I imagine that he probably
relishes the thought of messing up a lot

563
00:34:31,360 --> 00:34:36,519
of plans, just like you do. You mentioned about Anthony Joshua he's now.

564
00:34:37,440 --> 00:34:39,559
I don't think he parted ways specifically
with Derek James. I think it

565
00:34:39,679 --> 00:34:45,159
was the scheduling that they had and
the locations of fights that made it not

566
00:34:45,480 --> 00:34:46,880
likely that they'd be able to work
together for this fight. So he's going

567
00:34:46,920 --> 00:34:52,199
to be with Ben Davison and I
just wonder what are your thoughts about Joshua

568
00:34:52,280 --> 00:34:53,760
where he is in his career right
now, having had two fights this year.

569
00:34:54,320 --> 00:34:57,800
You know, looked okay in those
fights after the losses, but and

570
00:34:57,840 --> 00:35:00,719
now he's going in with you third
fight this year, but also changing trainers

571
00:35:00,760 --> 00:35:04,599
once again. Uh to Ben Davison, who you know has gone against you

572
00:35:04,719 --> 00:35:09,039
as the trainer for Tyson Furry right. I don't know Ben Davison that well,

573
00:35:09,119 --> 00:35:13,599
so I don't really know what he
can do about I think that Joshua

574
00:35:13,800 --> 00:35:17,559
is I don't think evert is a
good sign when he start switching trainers usually

575
00:35:17,639 --> 00:35:22,239
doesn't end well, doesn't get better
usually. So I have a hard time

576
00:35:22,360 --> 00:35:27,559
seeing that Ben can really change Jim
will improve much in this short amount of

577
00:35:27,599 --> 00:35:31,119
time, because I feel like you
have to trust your trainer and they have

578
00:35:31,199 --> 00:35:36,239
to trust you, and and it
takes it takes time to build a good

579
00:35:36,320 --> 00:35:40,719
relationship and and understand what your training
is asking for. So I think I

580
00:35:40,760 --> 00:35:44,199
don't I don't think they can do
much in this short amount of time.

581
00:35:45,599 --> 00:35:46,599
Do you think Where do you think
he is in his career, Anthony?

582
00:35:46,639 --> 00:35:49,760
I mean, he did win two
fights in a row to shake off those

583
00:35:49,840 --> 00:35:52,039
losses, and now he's agreed to
fight you. Uh. Is he still

584
00:35:52,079 --> 00:35:55,519
a guy that you're thinking can do
things. I know you're looking to stop

585
00:35:55,599 --> 00:36:00,159
that, but what is your assessment
of where he's at in his career now.

586
00:36:00,199 --> 00:36:01,920
I think that he's still one of
the best out there. He's a

587
00:36:02,000 --> 00:36:07,199
good fighter. It is so suspect, but I think that there's been a

588
00:36:07,280 --> 00:36:10,639
decline. Of course, I think
it has been, and I think it's

589
00:36:12,119 --> 00:36:15,880
a lot of a mental thing for
him. I think that he feels vulnerable

590
00:36:15,920 --> 00:36:17,079
now. He knows that he can
lose, he knows that he can get

591
00:36:17,159 --> 00:36:22,400
hurt. So I think that this
timing is really good for me. I

592
00:36:22,480 --> 00:36:28,480
have great momentum coming in from my
last fight, and you know, like

593
00:36:28,519 --> 00:36:30,599
I said a press conference, I'm
gonna help Joshua. I think he's on

594
00:36:30,719 --> 00:36:36,199
his way way out, really and
I'm gonna help him with that. I

595
00:36:36,320 --> 00:36:38,360
got you. I wonder you know
when you see the way that the rest

596
00:36:38,400 --> 00:36:43,760
of the card shakes out your fight. Obviously we talked about Deontay and Joseph

597
00:36:43,800 --> 00:36:45,280
Parker, but they got Hergovich on
the card. They got to meet you

598
00:36:45,320 --> 00:36:51,039
biople defending the light heavyweight title.
They got Opataia, the number one cruiserweight

599
00:36:51,079 --> 00:36:52,639
in a fight. They have Daniel
Duba, They've got other heavyweight fights.

600
00:36:53,119 --> 00:36:55,960
What do you think about just the
magnitude of the card and how load it

601
00:36:57,039 --> 00:37:00,320
is, and the fact that they
you're the guy opposite corner in the main

602
00:37:00,400 --> 00:37:04,360
event of this huge cart. It's
amazing. It's amazing. Like we didn't

603
00:37:04,360 --> 00:37:07,559
we just talk about that that boxing
wasn't even allowed in Sweden. Maybe that

604
00:37:07,639 --> 00:37:10,880
was somebody else, Ill talk to
him else. Yeah. Sorry. When

605
00:37:10,920 --> 00:37:16,079
I first started boxing, professional boxing
wasn't even allowed in Sweden, right,

606
00:37:16,199 --> 00:37:21,320
and that now to be here fighting
on a huge card like this, it's

607
00:37:21,400 --> 00:37:24,280
just really amazing. I'm so happy, and I feel like it worked.

608
00:37:24,400 --> 00:37:28,639
All the work that I put put
in over the years and all the sacrifice

609
00:37:28,920 --> 00:37:34,840
is finally coming. It's finally all
work. It Well, you have won

610
00:37:34,960 --> 00:37:38,679
six fights in a row since your
fight against Tyson Fury, a decision loss

611
00:37:38,679 --> 00:37:42,679
that you were extremely competitive in,
and I wondered when you think about that

612
00:37:42,840 --> 00:37:45,039
fight in twenty nineteen against Tyson Fury. You fought him, he wasn't he

613
00:37:45,079 --> 00:37:47,039
didn't have any of the belts,
but he was the lineal champion, he

614
00:37:47,119 --> 00:37:50,480
was undefeated. It was a pretty
big deal. I was at that fight

615
00:37:50,599 --> 00:37:53,159
covering it, and I remember when
you open up that terrible cut over his

616
00:37:53,280 --> 00:37:55,719
eye. I think it wound up
being two cuts in total. He ended

617
00:37:55,800 --> 00:37:59,920
up having that forty seven stitches.
A lot of us at ringside that night.

618
00:38:00,199 --> 00:38:02,400
Oh my goodness, Otto Valley,
unknown at that time, is going

619
00:38:02,440 --> 00:38:06,760
to pull off a huge upset and
uh and win this fight, become the

620
00:38:06,840 --> 00:38:09,440
lineal heavyweight champion of the world.
I think in a lot of places doctors

621
00:38:09,639 --> 00:38:14,519
or refs would have stopped that fight
based on the severity of the cuts that

622
00:38:14,599 --> 00:38:16,360
Tyson Fury had. Uh, he
was allowed to continue, you know,

623
00:38:16,480 --> 00:38:20,960
he based on that. He did
win the fight on points. But how

624
00:38:21,079 --> 00:38:24,800
often do you think about how close
you were to stopping Tyson Fury giving him

625
00:38:24,800 --> 00:38:28,800
his first loss, And I would
tell you that would have changed so much

626
00:38:28,840 --> 00:38:32,519
about the history of the heavyweight division
seeing what has occurred since then. Do

627
00:38:32,599 --> 00:38:36,239
you like, Yeah, I mean
in a lot of places they stopped that

628
00:38:36,320 --> 00:38:37,880
fight, you know, Yeah,
yeah, I think so too they.

629
00:38:38,039 --> 00:38:40,599
I mean, of course, if
you asked me, I feel like they

630
00:38:40,639 --> 00:38:44,400
should have stopped it. And if
I had that cut, that would definitely

631
00:38:44,400 --> 00:38:46,360
have stopped the fight. But you
know, he got to give some respect

632
00:38:46,400 --> 00:38:50,199
to Fury. He kept fighting.
He showed a lot of heart he came

633
00:38:50,280 --> 00:38:52,719
through. But I mean, I've
been thinking about it, of course,

634
00:38:52,840 --> 00:38:55,519
but I try not to think about
it too much. I feel like now,

635
00:38:57,760 --> 00:38:59,960
I mean, I move on.
This is four years and stuff,

636
00:39:00,599 --> 00:39:04,039
and I want my career to be
more than the guy to get few a

637
00:39:04,119 --> 00:39:07,519
good fight. So hey, maybe
it's a really it's a really good opportunity

638
00:39:07,559 --> 00:39:12,000
to set everything. Maybe maybe a
rematch with Tyson Fury someday. But since

639
00:39:12,079 --> 00:39:14,679
that fight, like I said,
this is I'll just wrap up with this.

640
00:39:14,880 --> 00:39:17,679
You won the six fights in a
row, but you have they've been

641
00:39:17,760 --> 00:39:22,039
some of those fights have been kind
of smaller fights, not big TV fights,

642
00:39:22,079 --> 00:39:24,079
you know, I know you had
one like on a small club show,

643
00:39:24,480 --> 00:39:28,760
that sort of thing. Was it
at all frustrating knowing what a great

644
00:39:28,800 --> 00:39:30,480
performance you had put in with Fury
and that you were, you know,

645
00:39:30,559 --> 00:39:36,039
a bona fide contender, and that
that the bigger fights were not materializing and

646
00:39:36,320 --> 00:39:38,039
this one has sort of dropped in
your lap as we talked about, Uh,

647
00:39:38,199 --> 00:39:42,079
but was there ever a sense of
frustration that you know, I'm spinning

648
00:39:42,119 --> 00:39:45,159
my wheels, I'm I'm fighting,
I'm winning, and I just can't get

649
00:39:45,239 --> 00:39:47,880
traction with a big time fight.
It was very frustrating. It was very

650
00:39:47,920 --> 00:39:52,599
frustrating. I didn't get much fights, didn't get really good and a big

651
00:39:52,679 --> 00:39:54,960
fight, so it was hard.
It was hard. I mean, when

652
00:39:55,000 --> 00:39:58,559
you're a fighter and you don't make
you don't get big fights, you don't

653
00:39:58,559 --> 00:40:00,239
make any money. So you know, I live in New York. It's

654
00:40:00,559 --> 00:40:05,639
not very cheap to live here and
not getting fights. I'm at the gym

655
00:40:05,760 --> 00:40:07,880
twice every day, just trying to
get better, trying to you know,

656
00:40:08,000 --> 00:40:12,880
be ready for the fights. But
they seem to never come at some point,

657
00:40:13,000 --> 00:40:16,440
but I just focus, stayed in
gym. I felt like it's got

658
00:40:16,559 --> 00:40:21,840
to come sometimes, get I gotta
get some child, and finally it's here.

659
00:40:21,920 --> 00:40:24,320
So I'm just so happy. I
stayed in the gym, kept training,

660
00:40:24,920 --> 00:40:29,800
kept doing my thing, and and
yeah, like I say, it's

661
00:40:29,880 --> 00:40:32,119
finally here. But it was tough
at times, really tough. I felt

662
00:40:32,239 --> 00:40:36,159
like, oh my god, I'm
never going to get a big fight again.

663
00:40:36,239 --> 00:40:38,639
But like, what's going on,
Well, you've got the big fight

664
00:40:38,760 --> 00:40:42,559
now. I wish you the best
of luck in that fight December twenty third

665
00:40:42,599 --> 00:40:45,400
against Anthony Joshua Otto. Thank you
very much for joining me today. I

666
00:40:45,440 --> 00:40:47,159
appreciate it, and I wish you
good luck in the match. Thank you

667
00:40:47,239 --> 00:40:52,159
very much. So there you go. And again that is coming up next

668
00:40:52,280 --> 00:40:54,559
Saturday, the twenty third in Saudi
Arabia is part of that co main event

669
00:40:54,800 --> 00:41:00,320
of volin Fighting Anthony Joshua, Deontay
Wilder, Joseph Parker. All right,

670
00:41:00,639 --> 00:41:02,880
so you you heard from him in
his own words. You don't have to

671
00:41:04,000 --> 00:41:08,920
handicap the fight right now, but
Veleene legit, legit fighter for Anthony Joshua.

672
00:41:08,960 --> 00:41:14,920
What other thoughts here to recap that
conversation? Ottoveleen is just a pros

673
00:41:14,960 --> 00:41:17,480
pro. You know, he takes
things very seriously. He's well spoken about

674
00:41:17,519 --> 00:41:21,199
it. He kind of says what
he means. I feel like, you

675
00:41:21,280 --> 00:41:22,199
know, he's not afraid. You
know, if you listen to the interview,

676
00:41:22,320 --> 00:41:25,800
wasn't afraid to admit the frustrations that
he had when he couldn't get fights

677
00:41:27,119 --> 00:41:30,079
after having such a you know,
a big time performance against Tyson Fury.

678
00:41:30,599 --> 00:41:32,079
Uh. You know, I thought
was honest when he talked about how how

679
00:41:32,280 --> 00:41:35,719
how much bothered him that like,
you know, he really was like a

680
00:41:35,800 --> 00:41:37,079
punch away from the being the winner
and a lot of places he would have

681
00:41:37,119 --> 00:41:40,119
got to win because the doctors would
have stopped it because of the terrible cut

682
00:41:40,159 --> 00:41:45,920
he opened. And he's also I
love the fact that he he relish.

683
00:41:45,960 --> 00:41:49,440
It is the fact that he can
fuck up a lot of plans for a

684
00:41:49,519 --> 00:41:52,440
lot of people if he wins,
the same way that Joseph Parker can do

685
00:41:52,480 --> 00:41:55,400
if he beats Wilder. And besides
just wanting to advance his own career with

686
00:41:55,480 --> 00:42:00,920
the victory against Joshua, you know
he would he would take great pleasure in

687
00:42:00,000 --> 00:42:04,639
destroying the plans that people are trying
to make before he's even gotten in the

688
00:42:04,679 --> 00:42:07,599
ring with this man. And again, as you as you've made mention,

689
00:42:07,719 --> 00:42:10,960
this is a huge stage and a
pay per view, and the victory puts

690
00:42:12,000 --> 00:42:15,159
him in if if, if he
somehow finds a way to win, it

691
00:42:15,360 --> 00:42:20,000
puts him in the mix for whatever
could go on twenty twenty four, twenty

692
00:42:20,039 --> 00:42:22,679
twenty five. That's all you can
ask for. I'll just tell you one

693
00:42:22,719 --> 00:42:24,880
thing. There's no doubt about it
that in my mind anyway, I think

694
00:42:24,920 --> 00:42:30,440
the minds of most people, this
is a winnable fight for for Auto Valley,

695
00:42:30,559 --> 00:42:34,000
no question. Anthony Joshua of course
is the favorite, and most people

696
00:42:34,000 --> 00:42:37,440
will expecting they should win the fight, but otto is no joke. He's

697
00:42:37,480 --> 00:42:40,039
a solid guy and I also loved
this and we talked about this. He

698
00:42:40,320 --> 00:42:45,119
just fought in September, so he's
fresh. He came out he said no

699
00:42:45,239 --> 00:42:46,559
injuries. That's why I took the
fight. I was ready to go.

700
00:42:46,639 --> 00:42:50,360
So he's in shape. He just
fought at the end of September in a

701
00:42:50,440 --> 00:42:52,800
solid fight. I went twelve rounds
against Mura Gassia, so he's ready to

702
00:42:52,880 --> 00:42:58,679
go. All right. Into some
news, It has been out there on

703
00:42:58,840 --> 00:43:02,920
the internet, et cetera, that
Anthony Joshua Deontay Wilder looking at fighting in

704
00:43:04,000 --> 00:43:07,599
March. That's not a nuclear secret
that they are looking to set that fight

705
00:43:07,840 --> 00:43:10,079
up. Une sets you straight,
please, it's not out there on the

706
00:43:10,159 --> 00:43:17,239
internet. It's one news article by
my old employer at ESPN that's said that

707
00:43:17,360 --> 00:43:22,239
they have agreed to terms for a
fight on March ninth. And now you

708
00:43:22,400 --> 00:43:29,119
are ready to say on the podcast, that's bullshit. They're not aving now

709
00:43:29,719 --> 00:43:32,760
that story and I'm not saying you
can't do this because I've done it.

710
00:43:32,800 --> 00:43:37,000
We've all done it is reported with
no attribution to any particular source, and

711
00:43:37,079 --> 00:43:38,480
I get that. I mean,
we've all been there. If you're a

712
00:43:38,519 --> 00:43:43,239
journalist. You understand how that works. I hope. I'm questioning whether some

713
00:43:43,320 --> 00:43:46,679
people do or not. But that's
besides the point. The fight has not

714
00:43:46,760 --> 00:43:50,159
been agreed to. Now are they
working on it? Yes? The idea

715
00:43:50,239 --> 00:43:53,199
is to have it in March March
ninth. Obviously it pends. It would

716
00:43:53,199 --> 00:43:58,280
be pending victories by both Joshua and
Wild on December twenty third, It would

717
00:43:58,280 --> 00:44:02,199
be pending them emerge d from those
victories injury free. Now you don't have

718
00:44:02,239 --> 00:44:05,719
to go back down long ago to
know what happened with Tyson Fury. The

719
00:44:05,760 --> 00:44:09,039
reason why December twenty third, the
Day of Reckoning is happening, is because

720
00:44:09,400 --> 00:44:14,480
the Tyson Fury fight against Alexander Usak
for the undisputed title that was supposed to

721
00:44:14,519 --> 00:44:17,679
be on December twenty third is not
happening because Tyson Fury got cut, got

722
00:44:17,760 --> 00:44:22,719
dropped, looked like shit, barely
won, and was embarrassed and begged off

723
00:44:22,840 --> 00:44:25,800
doing it in December because of him
locking his wounds, so to speak,

724
00:44:25,840 --> 00:44:30,840
from the bad performance he had against
Francis Nagandhu back you know, not that

725
00:44:30,960 --> 00:44:35,840
long ago. So they put this
Day of Reckoning card together on somewhat short

726
00:44:36,000 --> 00:44:37,719
order to do with December twenty third. They're trying to keep all these events

727
00:44:37,760 --> 00:44:42,239
within the context of the several months
long read season. So they did that

728
00:44:42,360 --> 00:44:45,679
fight, They're doing this fight December. They've got Usik scheduled against Tyson Fury

729
00:44:45,760 --> 00:44:50,119
four or February, and now the
idea is just before I guess the end

730
00:44:50,199 --> 00:44:53,639
of a RIAD season in March,
to get another big time fight card in

731
00:44:53,719 --> 00:44:59,760
which would be Anthony Joshua against Deontay
Wilder. But it's not just about whether

732
00:44:59,800 --> 00:45:02,679
they win and not get injured.
As I am told, there are still

733
00:45:02,800 --> 00:45:07,880
serious open issues on a number of
fronts, not the least of which this

734
00:45:07,039 --> 00:45:12,360
is probably the biggest one, is
that they have not agreed to how what

735
00:45:12,559 --> 00:45:15,119
the terms are for a second fight, because this is going to be a

736
00:45:15,199 --> 00:45:19,440
two fight deal. My source tells
me it's a two fight deal. But

737
00:45:19,639 --> 00:45:22,000
usually when we talk about that,
let's take the Aerol Spence and Crawford fight

738
00:45:22,039 --> 00:45:25,599
for example, or any number of
fights that we can talk about, is

739
00:45:25,639 --> 00:45:30,000
the guy who loses then has the
option to invoke his rematch right right.

740
00:45:30,119 --> 00:45:34,000
He can pass on it, or
he can he can ask for it,

741
00:45:34,079 --> 00:45:38,159
Like when Deontay Wilder lost to Tyson
Fury in their second fight, he exercises

742
00:45:38,320 --> 00:45:44,119
right to a third fight. Terrence
Crawford defeated Errol Spence in July. Aerol

743
00:45:44,159 --> 00:45:47,000
Spence has invoked his right to a
contractual rematch. What they're hung up on

744
00:45:47,159 --> 00:45:51,760
in the Saudi fight is not about
if the loser gets to invoke a rematch.

745
00:45:52,239 --> 00:45:54,599
It's that the Saudis have the option
of the fight. It's not about

746
00:45:54,679 --> 00:45:59,559
it's a two fight deal period whoever
wins and losers. So Joshua and Wilder

747
00:45:59,559 --> 00:46:02,239
would not have the right to say
yeay or nay. It's up to the

748
00:46:02,320 --> 00:46:05,960
Saudi's if they're going to be interesting, they put on a second fight.

749
00:46:06,119 --> 00:46:09,079
So that's a big part of it. And the other thing again, I

750
00:46:09,360 --> 00:46:14,840
also I try always to deal with
people on the record, and that's where

751
00:46:14,880 --> 00:46:19,480
Shelley Finkle comes and he is the
manager of Deontay Wilder, and I asked

752
00:46:19,559 --> 00:46:22,480
him about what was going on.
He's actually in Saudi Arabia because obviously Deonta

753
00:46:22,559 --> 00:46:25,920
is fighting next week, so he's
already traveled there. And when I texted

754
00:46:27,039 --> 00:46:30,559
with him about the situation, you
know, he basically was like, no,

755
00:46:30,719 --> 00:46:32,800
we don't have a deal yet,
And I quote, this is from

756
00:46:32,840 --> 00:46:37,119
Shelley Finkle directly, So no sources
said this is right. Now, He's

757
00:46:37,159 --> 00:46:40,639
not the one that told me this
guy is doing the deal for Deontay Wilder

758
00:46:40,679 --> 00:46:45,400
go ahead. Yes, he's his
career long managers and I quote at this

759
00:46:45,599 --> 00:46:52,079
point there is no deal. He's
on the record saying that. So anybody

760
00:46:52,159 --> 00:46:54,320
that reported that they have a deal
done in terms of even agreed to,

761
00:46:54,440 --> 00:46:59,480
and I'm not saying they said it, that's sign is simply inaccurate reporting period.

762
00:47:00,119 --> 00:47:02,440
We all hope it happens, sure, but let's lay this out there.

763
00:47:02,519 --> 00:47:06,039
Same individual, I'll name the name, Mike Coppinger. He was talking

764
00:47:06,079 --> 00:47:09,920
about the Haini Progray fight, and
my man Rayphiel refuted and said, not

765
00:47:10,400 --> 00:47:15,639
done for Las Vegas in November.
I remember you saying it very plainly,

766
00:47:15,719 --> 00:47:20,199
it's not done for Las Vegas in
November. It turned out it was in

767
00:47:20,400 --> 00:47:23,920
San Francisco in December. We just
had it last weekend. So when you

768
00:47:24,079 --> 00:47:29,360
are saying this is not done,
it's because maybe it's going to be on

769
00:47:29,440 --> 00:47:32,039
that date, maybe it's going to
be on another date, or maybe it's

770
00:47:32,159 --> 00:47:38,199
not happening. It's not done.
The date that they have is March ninth.

771
00:47:38,480 --> 00:47:42,840
Now, could it happen at some
other time, I guessed, but

772
00:47:42,960 --> 00:47:45,920
the Saudi's are very married to having
it within the context. I understand h

773
00:47:46,039 --> 00:47:50,880
Riah season. But the point here
is the most important thing is at the

774
00:47:51,039 --> 00:47:52,920
time that the story was reported that
the deal was done, it wasn't done.

775
00:47:53,760 --> 00:47:59,079
And I'm telling you it wasn't done. And now from a somebody involved

776
00:47:59,360 --> 00:48:01,119
in the room says it's not done, says it's not done. Period,

777
00:48:01,159 --> 00:48:04,840
It's not done. And so this
is interesting too, because if you're talking

778
00:48:04,880 --> 00:48:07,480
about in the United States, this
doesn't matter in Britain, it doesn't matter

779
00:48:07,519 --> 00:48:10,079
in Europe. That is the Saturday
before what because you and I are big

780
00:48:10,159 --> 00:48:15,639
fans of it, March Madness begins
for the NCAA basketball term. It's not

781
00:48:15,719 --> 00:48:17,480
the only thing going on, but
it's one of the biggest things in American

782
00:48:17,519 --> 00:48:22,960
sports every year, and it's the
next three weekends where this fight you talk

783
00:48:23,000 --> 00:48:28,400
about back burner. It might not
even be on the stove, really your

784
00:48:28,400 --> 00:48:31,239
sports relevance. The Saudis don't give
a shit about it. I understand that,

785
00:48:31,400 --> 00:48:34,920
but I'm saying that's why. I
mean, if they cared about that,

786
00:48:35,000 --> 00:48:37,280
they wouldn't be putting this fight card
next week on the weekend of Christmas.

787
00:48:37,760 --> 00:48:40,000
I mean, it's just as simple
as that. But it's also just

788
00:48:40,159 --> 00:48:44,880
enough before it. But in this
particular case, if you want people in

789
00:48:44,920 --> 00:48:47,559
the United States to pay significant attention
to this, you want to kind of

790
00:48:47,920 --> 00:48:52,719
find a slot where it would be. And so we'll see, for whatever

791
00:48:52,840 --> 00:48:55,280
reason, it's that date. We'll
see if it gets done on that date.

792
00:48:55,400 --> 00:48:59,519
Your point again, one more time, it's not done. It's not

793
00:48:59,639 --> 00:49:02,440
done. So not done means not
done, all right. A couple of

794
00:49:02,480 --> 00:49:07,079
other news items, Tank Davis,
Devin Haney speaking to Devin Haney off the

795
00:49:07,159 --> 00:49:12,360
win, going back and forth with
Tank Davis about whether they would fight.

796
00:49:13,039 --> 00:49:15,119
By the way, what did you
make of the rehydration did you see this?

797
00:49:15,239 --> 00:49:19,320
And it was officially listed that Devon
Haney went into the ring weighing one

798
00:49:19,440 --> 00:49:22,239
hundred and sixty five pounds the other
night and the win over Regis program.

799
00:49:22,920 --> 00:49:28,719
Anything you make anything of that on
rehydration clauses? Holy cow, Well there

800
00:49:28,760 --> 00:49:31,039
was no rehydration clause. It doesn't
surprise me. I don't know why people

801
00:49:31,079 --> 00:49:35,280
get all hung up on that stuff. They're playing within the rules. Devin

802
00:49:35,320 --> 00:49:39,119
Haney went to the weigh in as
instructed by the California State Athletic Commission.

803
00:49:39,400 --> 00:49:43,760
He weighed in at or below the
limit of one hundred and forty pounds,

804
00:49:44,280 --> 00:49:46,960
and there was no rehydration. Clausn't
he put on whatever he naturally put on

805
00:49:47,000 --> 00:49:50,320
it. I will just say this. There are a lot of critics and

806
00:49:50,360 --> 00:49:52,880
a lot of people that have pointed
this out. This is dangerous stuff long

807
00:49:53,039 --> 00:49:57,400
term. I'm not a doctor.
When somebody puts on twenty five pounds in

808
00:49:57,480 --> 00:50:00,000
one twenty four hour period after doing
this, tells you what they did to

809
00:50:00,079 --> 00:50:04,920
their body to make the weight in
the first place. That's why a lot

810
00:50:04,960 --> 00:50:08,000
of people raise eyebrows when it's that
much. It wasn't just a boxing for

811
00:50:08,119 --> 00:50:12,199
one hundred plus years. And the
answer is very simple. You know,

812
00:50:12,239 --> 00:50:15,119
I don't. I don't know.
I don't know that it was happening one

813
00:50:15,159 --> 00:50:17,360
hundred years ago. I don't know
that was happening. CJ. Don't fuck

814
00:50:17,400 --> 00:50:20,840
with me right now. I'm not
in the mood, Okay. The point

815
00:50:21,000 --> 00:50:22,119
is, if you want to do
it the way they used to do it,

816
00:50:22,159 --> 00:50:24,960
which is way in in the morning
of that is that is the boxers

817
00:50:25,000 --> 00:50:29,159
fighting in their natural weight class.
But you'll also run the risk of having

818
00:50:29,239 --> 00:50:34,199
fights canceled on the day of the
fight, and it is not you know,

819
00:50:34,320 --> 00:50:37,599
it has been proven for over years
that it will be people who are

820
00:50:37,840 --> 00:50:40,639
far more scientific than I that it
is safer to weigh in the day before.

821
00:50:40,760 --> 00:50:45,760
Where I feel like the problem occurs
is this they've so bastardized the day

822
00:50:45,840 --> 00:50:49,960
before weigh in to make it almost
like irrelevant because they're weighing in way more

823
00:50:50,000 --> 00:50:52,079
than twenty four hours at a time, thirty hours, thirty six hours side

824
00:50:52,239 --> 00:50:59,360
right before the fight. Right,
every single commission and every single jurisdiction should

825
00:50:59,400 --> 00:51:02,719
be a certain maximum number of hours
before weigh in. It should be standard.

826
00:51:02,840 --> 00:51:06,880
You shouldn't allow the A side to
dictate we're gonna have a morning weigh

827
00:51:06,880 --> 00:51:08,599
in, or we're gonna push it
to the afternoon to make you starve more,

828
00:51:08,840 --> 00:51:10,960
or because I need more time to
lose weight. No, no,

829
00:51:12,119 --> 00:51:15,360
no, no no. If the
fight's gonna be the card starts at whatever

830
00:51:15,519 --> 00:51:17,079
time, you make sure that they're
weighing in, you know, within a

831
00:51:17,159 --> 00:51:22,679
certain amount of time beforehand, every
single time. No trade to a different

832
00:51:22,760 --> 00:51:25,480
time to whatever, because you know
one guy is the one that's the champion

833
00:51:25,559 --> 00:51:29,280
or the ast side, and the
other guy is the opponent that nobody cares

834
00:51:29,280 --> 00:51:31,239
about. Whatever, No, everything
should be the same. In the case

835
00:51:31,280 --> 00:51:36,719
of Hani versus Program, they played
by the rules as instructed by the Califriga

836
00:51:36,760 --> 00:51:39,000
Commission. So if you put on
one pound or fifty pounds, that's within

837
00:51:39,039 --> 00:51:43,239
the rules. That's all I care
about. I'm not saying it's not within

838
00:51:43,320 --> 00:51:45,280
the rules, but from a health
standpoint, And by the way, don't

839
00:51:45,280 --> 00:51:49,880
screw with me on this. If
guys are required to be in and around

840
00:51:49,920 --> 00:51:52,440
their fighting weight, they're gonna be
in shape because they're training more often,

841
00:51:52,480 --> 00:51:55,840
and they'll probably be more active in
the ring more often. That's another point.

842
00:51:55,880 --> 00:51:59,559
I know this too. Say whatever
you want about Devin Hainey's twenty five

843
00:51:59,639 --> 00:52:01,679
pounds. Devin Haney's in good shape, great shape, tremendous shape, no

844
00:52:01,760 --> 00:52:05,119
doubt in my mind. Oh yeah, there's no doubt about that, all

845
00:52:05,199 --> 00:52:07,480
right, So he and Tank Davis. I say it to you this way

846
00:52:07,559 --> 00:52:12,840
all the time. Realism meter from
ray Field seeing it in twenty twenty four.

847
00:52:13,400 --> 00:52:15,599
Is it a three? Is it
a five? Is it a six

848
00:52:15,679 --> 00:52:19,719
and a half? Do I sense
even more than that that this could actually

849
00:52:19,800 --> 00:52:22,599
happen or is it, as you
like to say, Shakespeare much ado about

850
00:52:22,639 --> 00:52:23,800
nothing. But I think it could
happen. I think it could happen.

851
00:52:23,840 --> 00:52:27,920
I don't. I mean, I
I'm not saying that I think it will

852
00:52:28,000 --> 00:52:31,840
happen. I'm saying that there's no
barrier for it to happen because Devin Haney

853
00:52:32,320 --> 00:52:37,239
is not under contract to a broadcast
or a promoter. Tank Davis, you

854
00:52:37,280 --> 00:52:40,880
know, kind of calls his shots
even though he's with PBC. He's got

855
00:52:40,880 --> 00:52:44,320
a lot of sayte to on what
he wants to do. He's no longer

856
00:52:45,079 --> 00:52:49,079
under a promotional contract with maybe Weather
Promotions, and so you know, if

857
00:52:49,119 --> 00:52:52,440
he wants the smoke or if Devin
Hainey is willing to do it for a

858
00:52:52,519 --> 00:52:55,920
certain amount of you know, the
short end of the money obviously, because

859
00:52:55,920 --> 00:52:59,880
he's not going to get parody.
If that's what he thinks, then the

860
00:53:00,159 --> 00:53:01,159
fight absolutely can happen. I think
a lot of people would like to see

861
00:53:01,199 --> 00:53:02,960
it. I think it's one of
the best fights you can make in one

862
00:53:04,000 --> 00:53:07,360
hundred and forty pounds. Tank Davis
has fought before one, so I don't

863
00:53:07,360 --> 00:53:10,000
believe weight's an issue. Devin Hainey's
last fight before program was at one hundred

864
00:53:10,000 --> 00:53:15,440
and thirty five. Ainy you know, looked good at his at one Tank

865
00:53:15,519 --> 00:53:19,039
Davis in his one one forty fight
scored a big knockout against Mario Barrios.

866
00:53:19,679 --> 00:53:22,639
It's a big money fight. It's
a fight that would sell out wherever they

867
00:53:22,719 --> 00:53:24,239
put it. It's a fight that
would generate pay per view interest, and

868
00:53:24,639 --> 00:53:28,480
and and the reason we were even
talking about this is because the crazy back

869
00:53:28,519 --> 00:53:30,800
and forth, you can, I
don't need to chapter in verse, the

870
00:53:30,880 --> 00:53:32,760
nonsense. Oh look at it,
right, go look at the back and

871
00:53:32,880 --> 00:53:37,159
forteen these two guys, you know, was as heavy duty shit talk as

872
00:53:37,199 --> 00:53:39,119
you've seen in a long time.
And believe me, if they actually agreed

873
00:53:39,159 --> 00:53:43,119
to the fight, it would most
likely continue up until the fight, and

874
00:53:43,239 --> 00:53:45,000
that would bring a lot of people
into that tent, so to speak,

875
00:53:45,000 --> 00:53:49,199
and buying the pay per views.
So I'd love to see it happen.

876
00:53:49,239 --> 00:53:51,760
Whether it does or not, you
know, I'm skeptical. But one other

877
00:53:51,880 --> 00:53:55,079
variable reason why I can't. One
other variable. Eddie Hearn stayed on the

878
00:53:55,159 --> 00:54:00,159
West coast obviously San Francisco pay per
view last week for the Haney Prograde fight

879
00:54:00,199 --> 00:54:05,519
for Matchroom. Now they're in Arizona
for this Bam Rodriguez Sonny Edward's title fight,

880
00:54:06,039 --> 00:54:07,719
and it was on social media that
he went to the headquarters of what

881
00:54:08,000 --> 00:54:12,119
Golden Boy Boxing, Oscar de la
Hoya's plays. And I don't think that

882
00:54:12,280 --> 00:54:14,880
Eddie and his people were there just
to see the Christmas decorations, which was

883
00:54:14,920 --> 00:54:16,960
on social media. They were checking
out the bunting, they were checking out

884
00:54:17,000 --> 00:54:22,239
the wreaths and the Christmas tree.
Connect the dots that that's Ryan Garcia's promoter.

885
00:54:22,760 --> 00:54:25,119
I don't know what else they would
have been talking about. Who knows

886
00:54:25,159 --> 00:54:28,840
if that fight could happen, but
I think it's interesting to talk about.

887
00:54:29,199 --> 00:54:32,840
Yeah, they actually are talking about
doing doing you know, hany and Ryan.

888
00:54:32,880 --> 00:54:36,800
It's a fight that Ryan was asking
for if you are Devin Haney,

889
00:54:37,360 --> 00:54:39,360
uh and let's be you know,
no knock on Ryan Garcia. I think

890
00:54:39,400 --> 00:54:44,039
on a boxing perspective, it's an
easier fight, uh that they probably think,

891
00:54:44,559 --> 00:54:46,239
and it's a it's a significant fight
in terms of gate and paper game

892
00:54:46,239 --> 00:54:50,360
and all that. So that's definitely
a fight that they could talk about.

893
00:54:50,360 --> 00:54:52,719
But they also have the possibility of
talking about at the sometime next year of

894
00:54:52,800 --> 00:54:55,880
doing Mongia against Edgar Berlanga, which
is the fight that the zoner was very

895
00:54:55,920 --> 00:55:00,360
interested in. Obviously, the two
guys are gonna have fights against different oponents

896
00:55:00,360 --> 00:55:02,960
in the first quarter. Are you
saying that Eddie was there for more than

897
00:55:04,000 --> 00:55:07,679
the eggnog at the Golden Boy head
quarters? Sure? Probably not just there

898
00:55:07,719 --> 00:55:10,800
for the eggnog. And look,
here's the thing. It shouldn't relatively speaking,

899
00:55:10,840 --> 00:55:15,760
within this crazy business for Matsroom Boxing
and Golden Boy promotions, when they've

900
00:55:15,760 --> 00:55:17,519
got fighters that match up with each
other, it should not be that difficult

901
00:55:17,519 --> 00:55:21,519
to make the fights relatively speaking,
as long as the boxer won it.

902
00:55:21,559 --> 00:55:24,239
Because they're on the same boxing platform
and his zone has a lot to say

903
00:55:24,239 --> 00:55:28,800
about that. They can prevent present
the United Front, and they're all working

904
00:55:28,880 --> 00:55:30,559
with for the same team. They're
not even you know, it used to

905
00:55:30,639 --> 00:55:36,480
be back in the old when Showtime
was an open shop and everybody could try

906
00:55:36,519 --> 00:55:38,159
to get fight dates on there,
and when HBO was like that, the

907
00:55:38,239 --> 00:55:43,119
promoters would battle with each other on
that platform because they were trying to grab

908
00:55:43,199 --> 00:55:47,000
their own pieces of that pie on
his owne. Golden Boy knows what it's

909
00:55:47,039 --> 00:55:51,400
getting from for its part of the
deal, and Masro mos what it is

910
00:55:51,440 --> 00:55:53,840
getting. They're not fighting for each
other's money. Gotcha good to know?

911
00:55:54,599 --> 00:55:59,159
Uh. Two Japanese fight cards announced. Let's talk about that, do a

912
00:55:59,199 --> 00:56:01,360
little nostalgia, and then we're done. It's been a busy show. You're

913
00:56:01,440 --> 00:56:07,119
intrigued. You refer to yourself as
a sicko. I think you're just I

914
00:56:07,880 --> 00:56:10,000
for these, for these Japanese fight
cards. Hold on, hold on,

915
00:56:10,280 --> 00:56:14,559
hold on. I used the word
degenerate. Degenerate, all right, so

916
00:56:14,599 --> 00:56:16,519
I'll get to your proper adjet.
I don't think you're a degenerate. There's

917
00:56:16,559 --> 00:56:20,880
a lot of exciting fight cards there, and just because it may not be

918
00:56:21,280 --> 00:56:23,519
English speaking fighters and it may be
on in the early morning in the US,

919
00:56:23,639 --> 00:56:27,440
doesn't mean that it's not entertaining.
And they've announced a couple of more

920
00:56:27,480 --> 00:56:30,519
for January and February. Give it
to us. Go listen. One of

921
00:56:30,599 --> 00:56:35,280
my favorite things in boxing are these
fight cards from Japan. They always have

922
00:56:35,480 --> 00:56:37,599
in when I would we talked about
getting the DVDs and the and the and

923
00:56:37,679 --> 00:56:42,280
the vhs and all that. But
now it's so easy because Top Rank,

924
00:56:42,320 --> 00:56:46,039
which has a close relationship with Teaking
Promotions in Japan, they bring all these

925
00:56:46,280 --> 00:56:51,760
all these world title cards from from
Japan, and they have the ESPN Plus

926
00:56:51,800 --> 00:56:54,320
in the early morning hours, and
uh and and I love them. They're

927
00:56:54,360 --> 00:56:58,000
there's so much fun to watch.
They pay have a lot of great fighters

928
00:56:58,039 --> 00:57:00,440
over there, and we never got
a chance to see on regular television here

929
00:57:00,480 --> 00:57:04,880
in the United States. So they
announced two events. They did a joint

930
00:57:04,880 --> 00:57:07,880
press conference on Thursday in Japan.
The first one is going to be January

931
00:57:07,920 --> 00:57:12,679
twenty third in Osaka. It is
the unified Junior flyweight champion, also the

932
00:57:12,800 --> 00:57:15,559
Ring Magazine Champion, Canchiro Taraji,
who in my opinion, is pushing like

933
00:57:15,599 --> 00:57:20,239
the pound for poundless given his domination
and the quality of fights that he has

934
00:57:20,320 --> 00:57:22,719
had. Recently, He's taken on
a former title holder in Carlos Kenna'salas.

935
00:57:22,760 --> 00:57:28,519
That should be a very good fight. And on the undercard you have Ardam

936
00:57:28,599 --> 00:57:32,920
Delakian, he is defending the WBA
flywaight title. And you also have more

937
00:57:34,000 --> 00:57:35,880
of a kind of a I won't
call it a side show, but he's

938
00:57:35,920 --> 00:57:38,559
more of like somebody that the fans
in Japan are sort of intrigued by.

939
00:57:38,800 --> 00:57:45,920
And that's the kickboxing star tension.
Nasukawa, who to boxing fans at least

940
00:57:45,920 --> 00:57:50,800
in America, is probably known only
because he got absolutely pummeled and destroyed in

941
00:57:50,880 --> 00:57:54,360
the first exhibition match that Floyd Mayweather
had after his retirement. But he has

942
00:57:54,440 --> 00:57:58,480
now taken you know, I'm not
saying he didn't take that seriously me.

943
00:57:58,559 --> 00:58:00,960
Now he's in real boxing matches and
he's turned professional with Teak and he's now

944
00:58:01,000 --> 00:58:04,639
two and zero, and so he's
being built up on these shows. So

945
00:58:04,760 --> 00:58:07,840
he's a junior featherweight fighting in like
one of the other bouts in this card

946
00:58:07,280 --> 00:58:10,239
and in the other fight card that
they announced which is February the twenty fourth,

947
00:58:10,920 --> 00:58:15,960
that will take place in Tokyo.
If you recall back on one of

948
00:58:15,000 --> 00:58:20,119
the I think it was the was
Errol Spence against We were there, yes,

949
00:58:20,239 --> 00:58:22,159
on that July pay per view.
Yes, they had the great upset

950
00:58:22,320 --> 00:58:28,440
of the Alexandro Santiago who defeated Nonito
Donair, who was heavily favored in that

951
00:58:28,599 --> 00:58:32,880
fight to win the WBC's vacant bantamweight
title. And so he is taking his

952
00:58:32,960 --> 00:58:37,960
show on the road and going and
he is in a very very tough assignment.

953
00:58:37,239 --> 00:58:43,280
He's taken on the fierce, punching, very dominating junto Knakatani who was

954
00:58:43,360 --> 00:58:45,760
moving up in weight, who has
been a champion in the flyweight and jingor

955
00:58:45,800 --> 00:58:52,199
bannamweight the category knocking guys silly.
I mean remember earlier this year probably the

956
00:58:52,239 --> 00:58:55,960
knockout of the year when he knocked
out Andrew Maloney on the Lomachenko Devin Haney

957
00:58:57,039 --> 00:59:00,159
undercard. So you know they're given
Santiago. He's getting paid well because that

958
00:59:00,360 --> 00:59:04,239
one does not look good for him. But Nowakatani's going for a title in

959
00:59:04,280 --> 00:59:07,639
the third weight class, and they've
rescheduled uh Takuma in a way, who

960
00:59:07,679 --> 00:59:12,440
is the brother of Nouelia in a
way, his defense against the uh former

961
00:59:12,960 --> 00:59:15,159
title holder. Sherwent on Cassas that
he's the in a way one that when

962
00:59:15,199 --> 00:59:20,920
his brother vacated to Kuma in a
way won the vacant w BA bantamway title.

963
00:59:21,119 --> 00:59:23,159
So he's defending that against Akosas.
That was a fight that was supposed

964
00:59:23,199 --> 00:59:27,000
to take place in November, was
postponed because of an injury, and so

965
00:59:27,079 --> 00:59:30,239
it's now on this card also.
And then you have Coosey Tanaka. Again

966
00:59:30,280 --> 00:59:35,079
if you follow Japanese boxing, he's
a top top star over right, you

967
00:59:35,119 --> 00:59:37,079
know he's gonna be going for i
think the title in a fourth weight class.

968
00:59:37,679 --> 00:59:43,039
The Junior banda Waight WBO title against
a Mexican fighter Christian Bachus Segura.

969
00:59:43,440 --> 00:59:45,280
And let me tell you they've loaded
these shows up. I mean, those

970
00:59:45,320 --> 00:59:49,760
are a lot of good names that
it's very intriguing fights. Na Katani is

971
00:59:49,760 --> 00:59:52,000
one of the fan favorites, at
least if you're a diehard and you know

972
00:59:52,159 --> 00:59:57,559
Tanaka is looking to make some history
in a way, first defense against equality

973
00:59:57,639 --> 01:00:00,159
former champion. So, as I've
said to you before on ESPN Plus,

974
01:00:00,239 --> 01:00:04,280
I'm taking it. You wake up
nice and early, have a little coffee,

975
01:00:04,320 --> 01:00:06,320
and maybe go back to bed for
a little while. But I'm definitely

976
01:00:06,519 --> 01:00:09,119
down for these two events. Love
it all right, Let's do a little

977
01:00:09,199 --> 01:00:14,920
nostalgia and then we are done.
And you talked about this before, when

978
01:00:14,920 --> 01:00:19,760
you talk about pay per views and
stacked cards. Let's go back to twenty

979
01:00:19,840 --> 01:00:22,920
years ago. This week in two
thousand and three, December thirteenth, and

980
01:00:23,000 --> 01:00:27,440
a Don King pay per view.
It's like the gain su Stak knives Rayfield.

981
01:00:27,440 --> 01:00:30,079
How much would you pay now?
Nine nine nineteen ninety five, But

982
01:00:30,119 --> 01:00:34,960
wait, there's more twenty nine ninety
five. How many fights and championship fights

983
01:00:35,039 --> 01:00:37,000
on this Don King pay per view? And give me the roll call again

984
01:00:37,119 --> 01:00:43,280
real quick. So this was the
record eight title fights on the same show.

985
01:00:43,440 --> 01:00:45,639
There was no other fights on the
cart except I'm sorry, did you

986
01:00:45,719 --> 01:00:51,559
say eight? Did you say eight? We struggled to get two decent title

987
01:00:51,639 --> 01:00:54,840
fights on a paper there were eight. As I wrote in my most recent

988
01:00:55,280 --> 01:00:59,719
substack notebook, where I do my
Show and Tell, where I show someone

989
01:00:59,800 --> 01:01:01,320
in then rebellion, I put in
this particular case, I put up the

990
01:01:01,360 --> 01:01:08,119
poster from this particular card that I
wrote about how promoters today will will not

991
01:01:08,280 --> 01:01:10,920
just today, but back in the
years passed. Also they would refer to

992
01:01:10,960 --> 01:01:15,920
their car as a stacked card.
Can this the stacked undercard? And I

993
01:01:15,039 --> 01:01:19,039
give them the finger because ninety nine
percent of the cards are not stacked.

994
01:01:19,280 --> 01:01:22,119
Most of them stink, And if
it is stacked, it may be,

995
01:01:22,239 --> 01:01:24,320
like you said, stack might be
a reference to you get like, you

996
01:01:24,400 --> 01:01:28,400
know, two or two good fights, maybe three. Now I'll give them

997
01:01:28,440 --> 01:01:30,920
credit the card in Saudi Arabia that's
coming on on the twenty third for them

998
01:01:30,960 --> 01:01:36,239
to use the word stacked. That's
that's lea. Yes, that's stacked.

999
01:01:36,360 --> 01:01:39,679
Yes, most other cards are not
stacked. Okay, but don king love

1000
01:01:39,760 --> 01:01:45,000
him or hate him in the nineteen
nineties and into the early two thousands put

1001
01:01:45,039 --> 01:01:46,360
on a shiload of stacked cards.
Just take a look, go and box

1002
01:01:46,400 --> 01:01:50,639
treck. Look up some of the
Julio Sesar Chabas undercards when he was fighting

1003
01:01:50,639 --> 01:01:52,519
on Showtime pay per view back in
the old days and was called set.

1004
01:01:52,920 --> 01:01:57,039
Look at some of the Mike Tyson
under cards after he got out of prison.

1005
01:01:57,360 --> 01:01:59,800
That that king was putting on those
types of shows. This was a

1006
01:01:59,840 --> 01:02:02,000
car did he put on in two
thousand and three at the Boardwalk Call in

1007
01:02:02,039 --> 01:02:06,679
Atlantic City. Now he produced the
show with his own announcers and his own

1008
01:02:06,760 --> 01:02:09,440
graphics and all that. It was
distributed by HBO, and I covered this

1009
01:02:09,559 --> 01:02:12,760
fight. I went to a press
conference, like when they did the tour

1010
01:02:12,800 --> 01:02:15,679
ahead of time, and they did
a three city tour in New York,

1011
01:02:15,039 --> 01:02:20,280
in Washington where William Joppy was from, which was Bernard Hopkins's opponent for the

1012
01:02:20,320 --> 01:02:22,800
main event, then Philadelphia where Bernard
was from, and the DC press conference.

1013
01:02:22,840 --> 01:02:27,599
Bernard Hopkins threw a chair at William
Joppy. It was completely fucking chaos.

1014
01:02:27,800 --> 01:02:30,840
Okay, wait where were you?
Just real quick when the chair was

1015
01:02:30,920 --> 01:02:32,599
thrown, how close were you?
Did you have to duck. What I

1016
01:02:32,679 --> 01:02:35,880
mean, what about that while we
go I did not have to duck because

1017
01:02:35,880 --> 01:02:37,639
I was sitting in the media area. I was in literally like the first

1018
01:02:37,760 --> 01:02:43,239
row, so Bernard was probably about
like six feet from me probably, and

1019
01:02:43,360 --> 01:02:46,239
he threw it the other direction after
a It's like if they were on either

1020
01:02:46,320 --> 01:02:50,079
side of the podium and he threw
it towards William Joppy on the other side

1021
01:02:50,079 --> 01:02:53,400
of it was went there and the
Geraldo Rivera show broke out, Yeah,

1022
01:02:53,440 --> 01:02:58,679
pretty much. So so that was
that was a good promotion if if you

1023
01:02:58,800 --> 01:03:00,960
think that's good. I went on
the bus to go to Philadelphia with Don

1024
01:03:01,039 --> 01:03:05,039
King and the fighters and had a
good boxing time. We got stuck in

1025
01:03:05,119 --> 01:03:07,280
traffic anyway. But now the fight
comes up, you know, a month

1026
01:03:07,400 --> 01:03:10,599
or so later, a couple months
later in December on the boardwalk and like

1027
01:03:10,719 --> 01:03:13,880
I said, eight fights on the
show. There were no other fights.

1028
01:03:13,920 --> 01:03:15,880
No four rounders, no ten rounders, no eight rounders, no six rounders.

1029
01:03:16,199 --> 01:03:20,440
Just unheard of in the present day. And that's the record. So

1030
01:03:20,559 --> 01:03:22,119
let me run down this card for
you. So when you when you hear

1031
01:03:22,960 --> 01:03:29,320
all due respect to my boy Bob
Aaron or Oscar or Eddie or Frank Larren

1032
01:03:29,760 --> 01:03:32,079
you know, or the folks at
PBC pick picked the promoter whoever, and

1033
01:03:32,159 --> 01:03:36,719
they tell you your card is stacked. Just think what I'm about to read

1034
01:03:36,760 --> 01:03:38,880
off to you. In the main
event, you had the undisputed middleweight champion,

1035
01:03:38,920 --> 01:03:43,400
Bernard Hopkins defending against a former title
holder, William Joppy, who at

1036
01:03:43,440 --> 01:03:45,639
that time you know, was still
a very solid contender. Now this is,

1037
01:03:45,679 --> 01:03:47,840
of course, this is the this
is the era where it was three

1038
01:03:47,880 --> 01:03:52,639
belts to be undisputed and not four. So Bernard was making defense of the

1039
01:03:52,679 --> 01:03:54,760
undisputed the middleway title. He was
considered you know number, you know,

1040
01:03:54,880 --> 01:04:00,119
high, high up on the punth
roundless in the co feature, not the

1041
01:04:00,159 --> 01:04:02,920
main event, this is this is
the co feature. You got Ricardo Majorga,

1042
01:04:03,239 --> 01:04:08,360
who was a popular action pack fighter, who was the unified champion,

1043
01:04:08,400 --> 01:04:12,199
who had knocked out Vernon Forrest,
who had defended against Vernon Forrest. He's

1044
01:04:12,239 --> 01:04:15,519
defending his two belts and going for
the third belt against the IDF champion,

1045
01:04:16,440 --> 01:04:20,800
Corey Spinks, the son of Leon
and the nephew of Michael, and so

1046
01:04:20,960 --> 01:04:25,000
they met to produce the undispeted welterweight
champion of the world. So you got

1047
01:04:25,039 --> 01:04:28,639
the undispeted middleweight champion ship fight in
the main event. You got the undispeated

1048
01:04:28,800 --> 01:04:30,599
welterweight championship in the co feature.
Now, on a lot of cards,

1049
01:04:30,639 --> 01:04:33,960
that'd be it, right, that's
all you would get. Now, then

1050
01:04:34,039 --> 01:04:38,760
you go and unfortunately it turned out
to be an absolute terrible, terrible fight.

1051
01:04:38,800 --> 01:04:40,960
But on paper you're like, okay, that might be interesting. You

1052
01:04:41,039 --> 01:04:45,679
had the WBA interim heavyweight title fight
between Hassim Rockman and John Ruiz, and

1053
01:04:45,800 --> 01:04:50,559
this was important because even though it
was for the interim title, this was

1054
01:04:50,639 --> 01:04:55,119
after John Ruiz had lost to Roy
Jones and everybody knew that Roy was going

1055
01:04:55,199 --> 01:04:58,679
back to the light heavyweight division.
So to facto, the winner of this

1056
01:04:58,800 --> 01:05:01,239
fight was going to become the WBA
champion because Roy was going to vacate that

1057
01:05:01,400 --> 01:05:05,440
title and Rockman was the heavy favorite. John Ruiz won the fight and became

1058
01:05:05,480 --> 01:05:10,000
the WBA champion once again. So
that was a terrible heavyweight fight, but

1059
01:05:10,119 --> 01:05:14,920
still good names on that card.
Then you had zab Judah, who was

1060
01:05:14,960 --> 01:05:17,320
a popular fighter. He was holding
that he only had one loss at this

1061
01:05:17,400 --> 01:05:20,840
time, that was the loss against
Costa Zoo. He was defending the WBO

1062
01:05:21,000 --> 01:05:26,280
Junior welterweight title against a fighter named
Jimi Rangel. Turned out to be a

1063
01:05:26,280 --> 01:05:30,039
one round knockout whatever. Not a
big defense for him, but still go

1064
01:05:30,159 --> 01:05:32,039
great name to be like four fights
down on the car and then you run

1065
01:05:32,119 --> 01:05:34,679
down the rest of the show.
You got, yeah, the undefeated Travis

1066
01:05:34,679 --> 01:05:40,320
Simms who was the WBA He was
fighting a WBA a junior midwaight title fight

1067
01:05:40,400 --> 01:05:45,960
against also undefeated Alex Garcia, who
was an exciting fighter. You had a

1068
01:05:45,079 --> 01:05:49,760
really interesting fight. This was at
the time he was the Ring Magazine champion

1069
01:05:49,840 --> 01:05:54,400
at junior flyweight and also held one
of the belts. He was in a

1070
01:05:54,480 --> 01:05:59,159
unification fight against Jose Victor Burgos,
so they met to unify the titles.

1071
01:05:59,159 --> 01:06:01,239
Turned out to be a draw in
a pretty good fight. You had Wayne

1072
01:06:01,280 --> 01:06:04,920
Braithwaite, who was an undefeated,
big puncher who was the WBC cruiseweight Champion

1073
01:06:05,000 --> 01:06:10,159
of Defense. And then you also
had a rematch between what had been an

1074
01:06:10,159 --> 01:06:15,880
excellent first fight for the IBF junior
bantamweight title between Luis Alberto Perez, who

1075
01:06:15,960 --> 01:06:18,719
was a very exciting fighter against Felix
Machada, was more of a boxer,

1076
01:06:19,119 --> 01:06:23,920
and that was that's a stack card. When you have eight World Times bowls.

1077
01:06:24,360 --> 01:06:26,360
You know, you had a couple
of mismatch and the Judi fight was

1078
01:06:26,400 --> 01:06:29,480
a mismatch. The braithweight fight turned
out to be a first round knockout,

1079
01:06:29,480 --> 01:06:30,719
even though I don't think anybody expected
that going yet. But I mean I

1080
01:06:30,800 --> 01:06:32,920
love this. I mean, yeah, well, you know you had a

1081
01:06:32,960 --> 01:06:36,039
bad fighter too. But I got
six other great world title fights on the

1082
01:06:36,159 --> 01:06:39,920
same pay per view. I mean, there were so many. Was that

1083
01:06:40,079 --> 01:06:42,840
on? It was not on this
planet in twenty twenty three, come on.

1084
01:06:43,480 --> 01:06:45,159
So two things about that number.
One, Now, it's not that

1085
01:06:45,320 --> 01:06:49,239
uncommon, like for the last number
of showtime pay per views. It wasn't

1086
01:06:49,239 --> 01:06:51,519
even like a big deal. They
started the pay per views at eight pm

1087
01:06:51,599 --> 01:06:56,559
Eastern time. Back in the day, it was standard if you were having

1088
01:06:56,599 --> 01:06:59,599
this level of payper it was nine
pm period, right, But there was

1089
01:06:59,599 --> 01:07:01,840
a lot of discussion between because even
though HBO wasn't the producer, they were

1090
01:07:01,840 --> 01:07:05,239
the distributor of the fight of the
card. It was like a big deal,

1091
01:07:05,280 --> 01:07:09,159
we're going to start this fight because
we're going to show five fights instead

1092
01:07:09,159 --> 01:07:11,719
of four fights. We're going to
start the pay per view at eight o'clock.

1093
01:07:12,079 --> 01:07:14,880
That was like a huge talking point
all build up to the fight.

1094
01:07:15,280 --> 01:07:17,639
And then you had Don King,
like only Don King can do, because

1095
01:07:17,679 --> 01:07:20,159
he had eight title fights on the
fight card, but they couldn't put all

1096
01:07:20,159 --> 01:07:24,719
of them on the pay per view. He was running around for two months

1097
01:07:24,760 --> 01:07:27,840
before the fight. I got eight
on the scene and five on the screen.

1098
01:07:28,320 --> 01:07:30,159
In other words, you want to
see all the fights, watch eight.

1099
01:07:30,360 --> 01:07:32,559
If you only want to see five, watch them on television now.

1100
01:07:32,760 --> 01:07:35,719
So they put the five fights on
the pay per view. And because he

1101
01:07:35,800 --> 01:07:39,400
still had three other of these world
title fights you know, that were all

1102
01:07:39,440 --> 01:07:44,960
recorded and called by broadcasters. My
memory serves that over a few weeks after

1103
01:07:45,039 --> 01:07:46,840
the show was over, he rolled
them at one by one, like over

1104
01:07:46,960 --> 01:07:50,599
three weeks, and they showed them
on tape delay on Fox Sports Net.

1105
01:07:50,960 --> 01:07:57,519
So all eight flights were televised,
and it was it was a big show.

1106
01:07:57,679 --> 01:08:02,079
I mean, it was a stacked
world championship pay per Twenty years ago,

1107
01:08:03,239 --> 01:08:06,840
this week all right, almost done
on the night we're releasing this podcast.

1108
01:08:08,079 --> 01:08:14,119
Good Lord twenty seven years ago was
the second Galatta bow DQ after the

1109
01:08:14,159 --> 01:08:17,600
first Mayhem at the Garden. This
one turns out to be the rematch once

1110
01:08:17,640 --> 01:08:23,359
again, Galada winning the fight pummeling
the former heavyweight champ, only to get

1111
01:08:23,399 --> 01:08:29,359
disqualified for low blows again December fourteenth
of ninety six, so that's twenty seven

1112
01:08:29,520 --> 01:08:32,279
years ago tonight as we released the
podcast into Friday, Thursday into Friday,

1113
01:08:33,159 --> 01:08:40,600
and really amazing, it was a
replay, a replay of him scoring the

1114
01:08:40,640 --> 01:08:45,199
biggest punches, hurting Riddick bow and
then just could not fundamentally resist hitting him

1115
01:08:45,319 --> 01:08:50,199
low lazily and getting dec'ed again.
And we've talked about this before with those

1116
01:08:50,960 --> 01:08:55,119
fights in the nostalgia, but man, I don't want to accept that it

1117
01:08:55,199 --> 01:08:58,720
was that long ago as well,
twenty seven years ago, that that took

1118
01:08:58,760 --> 01:09:02,039
place. I know is that I
can't think of another example. Maybe there

1119
01:09:02,079 --> 01:09:04,560
is one, if somebody wants to
chime in or leave us a comment or

1120
01:09:04,600 --> 01:09:06,960
something, or hit me up on
my social media. I don't know if

1121
01:09:06,960 --> 01:09:10,920
there's ever been a rematch, an
immediate rematch in a fight where they both

1122
01:09:11,039 --> 01:09:14,119
ended with the same guy being disqualified
for the same purpose, you know,

1123
01:09:14,199 --> 01:09:17,039
low blows. It's just and the
same narrative of the fight. He's winning

1124
01:09:17,399 --> 01:09:21,079
the fight and all he has to
do is keep it clean Dan Rayphiel,

1125
01:09:21,479 --> 01:09:26,279
and he can't do it, and
it was to the reason really the end

1126
01:09:26,359 --> 01:09:30,199
of both guys. Really from there
on, Bo declined because he was concussed

1127
01:09:30,479 --> 01:09:33,479
and Galatta, i mean, never
could overcome that and kept getting knocked out

1128
01:09:33,640 --> 01:09:38,159
after that, right, so he
gets disqualified in the first fight in July

1129
01:09:38,359 --> 01:09:41,520
ninety six, that's the one that
sparks the massive riot in Madison Square Garden.

1130
01:09:42,000 --> 01:09:45,319
And then the promoters made the obvious
rematch. They took it to Atlantic

1131
01:09:45,359 --> 01:09:47,600
City instead of New York City,
where I don't think they would have been

1132
01:09:47,640 --> 01:09:51,000
welcomed. And the whole build up
in the fight, you had like videos

1133
01:09:51,000 --> 01:09:55,079
of Lou Duva, who was working
with Galatta, talking about this is the

1134
01:09:55,159 --> 01:09:58,279
no goes on and he's waving his
arms like no hitting below the belt like

1135
01:09:58,560 --> 01:10:00,840
Roger Bloodworth, the other trainer.
They preached all through the camp were not

1136
01:10:00,960 --> 01:10:03,800
going to the body. I mean, there was funny videos about it.

1137
01:10:04,880 --> 01:10:08,760
Okay, so fine. So now
the fight starts on what happens immediately starts

1138
01:10:08,800 --> 01:10:11,960
going to the body. He's destroying
Riddick bow again, who would you know,

1139
01:10:12,239 --> 01:10:15,119
look good? But was you know, obviously not the same after that

1140
01:10:15,239 --> 01:10:16,439
first fight, and you know,
like you said, probably the end of

1141
01:10:16,479 --> 01:10:20,199
his career, and he's winning the
fight, he's up on the cards and

1142
01:10:20,279 --> 01:10:24,399
he gets disqualified and the only differences
instead of being in the seventh round,

1143
01:10:24,640 --> 01:10:27,720
who was in the ninth round and
didn't spark a riot. And the reality

1144
01:10:27,960 --> 01:10:30,359
was after that fight, Riddick Bow
was done. He didn't fight again.

1145
01:10:30,520 --> 01:10:32,560
Everybody thought he was never going to
fight again. He actually made a very

1146
01:10:32,680 --> 01:10:36,600
ill conceived comeback where he fought one
time in two thousand and four, well

1147
01:10:36,640 --> 01:10:40,359
one time in two thousand and five, you know, a few months later,

1148
01:10:40,720 --> 01:10:44,199
and then then fought a final fight
on a Klitch Goo under card in

1149
01:10:44,239 --> 01:10:45,880
two thousand and eight. But this
was in essence the game, you know,

1150
01:10:45,920 --> 01:10:47,920
and he won the fight by i
DQ. So, you know,

1151
01:10:48,079 --> 01:10:53,439
his only official loss was the one
loss he suffered against Ridick Bow in his

1152
01:10:53,520 --> 01:10:56,600
whole career. In terms of Andrew
Gillana, Now, he fought on for

1153
01:10:56,720 --> 01:11:00,479
many years after this fight. He
fought for the world title on a few

1154
01:11:00,520 --> 01:11:03,159
different occasions after this loss to to
Riddick Bo, you know, and in

1155
01:11:03,239 --> 01:11:06,520
fact, in his fight immediately after
he got disqualified for the second time,

1156
01:11:06,880 --> 01:11:11,800
he got the shot ten months later
against lennonx Lewis, who stopped him in

1157
01:11:11,840 --> 01:11:15,239
round one, and as Lennox talked
about he wanted to clean up all the

1158
01:11:15,279 --> 01:11:19,880
misfits from boxing because he had had
that crazy fight against henryk Andnwandi with a

1159
01:11:19,920 --> 01:11:24,199
disqualification, and now he's going to
get rid of the misfit Andrew Gillatta.

1160
01:11:24,319 --> 01:11:27,199
So he a lot of got that
opportunity, a lot of got another.

1161
01:11:27,319 --> 01:11:30,479
He won on a big winning streak. He then quit against Michael Grant.

1162
01:11:30,880 --> 01:11:33,520
He then quit against Mike Tyson and
what became a no contest. He got

1163
01:11:33,560 --> 01:11:38,000
another title fight against Chris Bird,
which was a draw. He got another

1164
01:11:38,119 --> 01:11:41,439
title fight against John Ruiz that he
lost, and then another title fight.

1165
01:11:41,720 --> 01:11:44,920
And I was at all these other
title fights are mentioned. I'm mentioning I

1166
01:11:45,079 --> 01:11:47,880
was there in Chicago which was his
final title fight of his career when he

1167
01:11:47,920 --> 01:11:53,760
got smoked in one round by Layman
Brewster on HBO. But the Ruiz fight

1168
01:11:53,840 --> 01:11:57,000
at the Garden, that was like
a big deal because it was the first

1169
01:11:57,079 --> 01:12:00,239
time he was going to fight at
Madison Square Garden post the Rye, you

1170
01:12:00,279 --> 01:12:03,239
know, all those years later and
was a decade later. So Galata just

1171
01:12:03,359 --> 01:12:09,159
a fucking headcase all the and just
a complete I'm with you. He was

1172
01:12:09,720 --> 01:12:13,640
humbling him in both fights and four
months apart, the narrative is the same.

1173
01:12:13,800 --> 01:12:17,079
He gets dec'ed in a fight he
was winning amazing if you put his

1174
01:12:17,359 --> 01:12:23,199
talent into the body of a boxer
who was a little more cerebral and hadn't

1175
01:12:23,319 --> 01:12:26,800
understanding of how to actually go about
your business, somebody like the clipscho like

1176
01:12:26,840 --> 01:12:30,279
a Lennox Lewis, who used their
brain besides you to have a bona FID

1177
01:12:30,319 --> 01:12:34,479
heavyweight champion. But Glatta couldn't control
himself and he ruined his own career in

1178
01:12:34,560 --> 01:12:40,199
many respects, his reputation for sure, and he ruined what the remnants of

1179
01:12:40,239 --> 01:12:44,880
ridding Bow unfortunately. All Right,
busy, busy show, great stuff,

1180
01:12:45,039 --> 01:12:48,119
Jake Paul again fighting Friday night.
As we released this Saturday Night, We've

1181
01:12:48,159 --> 01:12:55,319
got the Bam Rodriguez Sonny Edwards Unification
Flyway title fight, the final showtime card,

1182
01:12:56,039 --> 01:12:59,399
A great interview there with Otto Violin. Who's fighting Anthony Joshua. You

1183
01:12:59,439 --> 01:13:01,279
got news, you got nostalgia,
you got all of it. All right,

1184
01:13:01,279 --> 01:13:03,880
I'm going to see you on the
bet Us Show Friday at one Eastern

1185
01:13:03,960 --> 01:13:08,439
time for some handicapping on these fights
and then whatever happens, We're back on

1186
01:13:08,520 --> 01:13:14,000
this podcast feed to recap it off
the weekend and get ready for the final

1187
01:13:14,079 --> 01:13:17,000
couple of weeks of twenty twenty three. Great stuff, anything else, Brother

1188
01:13:17,079 --> 01:13:20,079
Rayfield, We're good. We're good
on see on the bet Us show We

1189
01:13:20,279 --> 01:13:26,079
shall one Eastern Time on their platforms
bet Us TV's YouTube, Twitter, Twitch,

1190
01:13:26,239 --> 01:13:28,880
all of that again. You've been
part of the Big Fight Weekend preview.

1191
01:13:28,920 --> 01:13:31,399
It's part of the Big Fight Weekend
podcast feed Fight Freaks to Night recap

1192
01:13:31,520 --> 01:13:35,640
coming off the weekend. That'll be
up next Sunday night into Monday. For

1193
01:13:35,760 --> 01:13:40,359
now, we're good for Dan Rayfield. I'm TJ Reeves. Enjoy everything this

1194
01:13:40,479 --> 01:13:41,680
weekend. Thanks for being with us.